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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:26Jack Selby?

  What is something that the left is fundamentally right about? That the right does not want to acknowledge?

• 0:31Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 0:33Speaker 03

  Get the, get out of my face. Don't say it. And who the hell lets you back on this campus? Good luck, because they don't give up.

• 0:40Jack Selby?

  How difficult is it to change someone's mind?

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Depends. Steve, you go. I have plenty of friends. I'm fine having a few enemies. They're all in the same room. They're all going to the same parties. And when they all share the same worldview, it's a blind spot.

• 0:56Jack Selby?

  How much money have you lost by not being PC?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  Many tens of millions of dollars. I've had people say that I was a hate speaker because I said soccer was. I do, I think so.

• 1:08Jack Selby?

  What political beliefs have you changed your mind on?

• 1:10Speaker 02

  I don't know that anyone has ever actually convinced me to take a more left position.

• 1:14Jack Selby?

  Optimistic or pessimistic about America in 10 years?

• 1:18Speaker 02

  People aren't going to like this answer.

• 1:23Jack Selby?

  Steven Crowder, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me on the Ice Coffee Hour without iced coffee, by the way.

• 1:29Jack Selby?

  Our apologies.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  I was wondering if you were going to have it. And I was like, hey, do you think? I turned to Lane, the brain, my producer. I said, do you think like they just got locked into this where they were having an idea? Someone said, I know, iced coffee hour. And then you realized you always had to have inventory and you're locked in.

• 1:43Jack Selby?

  That is 100% true.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Is it?

• 1:45Jack Selby?

  Yeah, so like, people think that it like the name means something. It hardly means anything. And it was just our viewers said, hey, we kind of like this. It's kind of got a ring to it. We signed up for it and we can't change it now because it's been like seven years. We had no idea the podcast would be this big.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Oh, that's what everybody said. Oh, stop it. You guys worked your ass off. This didn't just happen by accident. I didn't know it was going to be this big.

• 2:05Jack Selby?

  You can still work hard, yeah.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. But you know, maybe just going forward, you should call it like your beverage of choice hour. Because people will be expecting iced coffee.

• 2:12Jack Selby?

  That would be new tonic. Shout out Chris Williamson. I love a new tonic. But anyways.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Boy.

• 2:16Jack Selby?

  I first found out about you in late high school, early college, from the Change My Mind series. You would go tour college campuses, put up a sign that said, change my mind, and have some really fascinating political and sometimes philosophical or psychological discussions. I'm curious, how difficult is it to change someone's mind?

• 2:35Speaker 02

  It's not that difficult if you categorize them as two separate people. So I was at Fox News for four and a half years. And everything was like a quadrant view, you know? And we would be in the same room sometimes. Like imagine us all here, but they're like, we want to make it seem like you're in DC and you're in New York. Where one time I got suspended because the guy was sitting next to me and I said, hey, high five my quadrant. And I reached into his and the producer was like, you can't do that because people thought you were in different cities. So in comedy and stand-up comedy, if you can tell a joke in four words that you're telling in 10, do it in four. Brevity is a soul of wit. With debates that are on air on legacy media, it was about buying up as much time as you could, repeating the same point or saying nothing. It's about eliminating accountability, sounding smart, but buying up time.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  And I said, and you do it for like four minutes, five minutes. And I said, well, these are not as interesting as the conversations that I have off air. I actually wrote a book, pitched it. It was turned down by every major conservative publisher. They said, absolutely not. No one's ever going to want to read this. We want, the Obama blueprint was big. Like we want doomsday books right now. That's what sells. I pitched the idea as a segment. I pitched the idea to do it online. No. So I just went out and did it. The first time I did it, I think it was on a sandwich board. Because we couldn't actually get a permit to go anywhere. You'll have a conversation with someone and they'll go, well, I never really thought of that. But there are two kind of separate groups of people. This was the book treatment that I wrote. There are those who are default liberal, less so today. But back in the day when we were raised, right? It was Rock Against Bush, you know, a symbol on all the Republicans.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  It was ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, CNBC. I came up under Andrew Breitbart where everything was left. In other words, if you were not politically active, but you were going to take the default position according to what you watch, what you listen to, you would be a liberal. Those people, their minds can be changed quite often. And we see it quite a bit. And that's the change of mind is kind of that jujitsu trick where it's like, well, actually I'm changing your mind by just using the Socratic method. It's not debate, it's rhetoric. There's a separate group of people. People who are the purveyors of the myth, of the propaganda, where they cannot acknowledge if it doesn't hold water because they're so bought in, they have to sell it anyway. Those people, you don't change their mind. Those people, you make an example of them. Make them look silly, as stupid as possible,

• 4:45Speaker 02

  so that the people who are approaching in good faith, hear the best argument. But I do think that's the most valuable skill in the political space is being able to recognize the two different kinds of people and which one you're most likely dealing with.

• 4:57Jack Selby?

  How quickly could you tell what side they're on?

• 5:00Speaker 02

  Well, depends. Like if they have a nose ring and blue hair, that's a dead giveaway.

• 5:02Jack Selby?

  Dead giveaway as to what?

• 5:03Speaker 02

  That I don't like them. That I'm not going to enjoy my time. If they're screeching, they're always.

• 5:10Jack Selby?

  What is this? What's the difference between a screech and like a reasonable kind of scream?

• 5:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's usually demonic presence that like, like if they're yelling, we are Legion, you're like, well, I probably want to stay away from that. No, it's, it's a, you can tell when someone approaches you aggressively. So one of my first coaches in jujitsu, he one time, when I was a white belt, he said, so we have a rule, okay? If you come a switch with me, I'm going to be switch with you. You come a spicy, I'm gonna be spicy. Meaning he matches intensity. And that's what I kind of learned. So you gauge it based on how they're approaching. There are dead giveaways, like buzzwords. If someone says, if they use the word Latinx unironically, they're an asshole. If they come in and they immediately say like, hi, my name's Sandra and my pronouns are, you know, but you still, you still have to be respectful.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  But it gives you a pretty, a good idea how it's going to go. So it's, it's always individual, but it's not that hard to see people approaching something in good faith, especially if you treat them respectfully. I always treat people respectfully when they approach.

• 6:12Jack Selby?

  Did anyone change your mind?

• 6:14Speaker 02

  You know what's funny is if anything, people ask me this. If anything's sitting down made me more radically right? So I will tell you this, like, I've had my heart broken at change my minds. One that really sticks out is affirmative action is racist. Change my mind at UT. And there was a girl who sat down. I believe she was Ethiopian. And she said, well, I wouldn't be here at UT if not for affirmative action. And I asked a few follow-ups. And I said, well, like, what were your SAT scores, something like that, GPA? They were stellar. And I said, well, that's, that's really sad to me. I said, because you need to know, you absolutely deserve to be here. The fact that you're black, that has nothing to do with it. And if you think that's why you're here, that must be terrible to. Do you doubt as to whether you'd be here if you were a white person? And she kind of, you could see on her face, she was living in a life dominated by doubt.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  And it's one thing to read about that on a page, the prejudice of soft expectations. It's another thing to see someone who's lived their life that way. Because there's no way to truly develop self-esteem outside of getting really good at something or accomplishing something. If there's a way, I don't know about it. And so I've had my heart broken where I go, wow, the people who've actually instated these policies, they know better. They know that this is what's going on, but they don't care anyway. So that's where, so if anything, it's made me more radical. I can't really think of any that have.

• 7:29Jack Selby?

  Brought forth stronger rhetoric, like better facts. Maybe knew something that you didn't know, a more recent study?

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Oh, sure, yeah. People who brought forth information, sure. But you know, new information doesn't on the spot change your worldview or fundamental principles. So if someone brings forth some new information like, well, in this case, this social program worked really well in Denmark. You're like, well, congratulations. It's entirely white and about the size of Rhode Island. We can make social programs work there too. We're talking about a country of 300 something million people. So there can be some new information. It's pretty rare. Thanks to people like Lane the Brain, I've always done preparation because I think it's a disservice to just go and talk without being prepared. Yeah, they'll present some, some things definitely to think about, but I don't know that anyone has ever actually convinced me to take a more left position.

• 8:15Jack Selby?

  Can I say this real quick? Could you be careful about tapping the, because I think it'll be picked up by the mic?

• 8:19Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, yes.

• 8:20Jack Selby?

  Yes, no problem.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  I was actually tapping Morse.

• 8:23Jack Selby?

  This is like.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  So be the behind the scenes. I'm morsing security.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  This guy has better hair than me.

• 8:31Jack Selby?

  So what is something that the left is fundamentally right about? That the right does not want to acknowledge?

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 8:37Jack Selby?

  It's got to be something.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 8:39Jack Selby?

  But the problem is, when you say something like that, you completely alienate all of these people that are like left-leaning center, that are just going to say, oh, like, what are the chances that let's say half of a educated American population are completely diluted? Like, what are the chances? There, I just think logically speaking, if we're split and there's a hundred something million people that believe one thing, a hundred something million people that believe the other thing, and there's educated people on both sides, that there must be merit to it. Like you can't be the person that's just right on everything.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  I'm not saying I'm the person who's right on everything. Far, I've made like a ton of mistakes, probably right now. I mean, you know, I was slapping my hand down like I was the, the, the snowplower in, in Home Alone. You know what I mean? Like that was a mistake. But, well, let me ask you this. Flip side of that, how do you have an entire political party? There's not one member of the DNC, not one national member of the DNC, Democratic Party, who will say that there should be any limitations on than a nine-month, nine-month baby in the womb is a baby. Is there validity to that?

• 9:40Jack Selby?

  But that is the DNC and they, they need to work together. And that's different from people that can just be the average, everyday voter that's left-leaning center. Like, they don't need to subscribe to so much.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Okay, so you're asking me left-leaning?

• 9:51Jack Selby?

  The DNC, RNC, they have money funneled into them. There's other situations at play.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I see the question. I thought you meant from a worldview, the prism of leftism.

• 9:58Jack Selby?

  DNC, RNC, I mean, like-

• 9:59Speaker 02

  Well, not DNC, RNC, I mean, leftism, as far as the left world, you know, they're right about nothing. Now, as far as presenting something exclusive about which they've provided insight, the answer is still nothing. If it's identifying a similar problem that the right identifies, see, I'm doing it again, I'm, see, there's a mistake. It's really easy. I screwed up. I tapped the table. It's really easy to say, well, yeah, we find common ground. Like, for example, the left says public education is broken. Okay, but so do we. The left says, uh, we need a government that works better for the people. Well, so do we. The left recognizes that there's, uh, growing wealth disparity. Well, so do people on the right. And by the way, I don't shy from this. Like, I think there's a case for tribalism. And I don't mean Republican. There are plenty of Republicans who are useless, but I am conservative.

• 10:44Speaker 02

  I am right-leaning and I have been since I was 12 years old, since I've observed the left everywhere that I've been. So we can identify the same problems, but as it relates to the solution, I am literally going to disagree with the left on everything. There, there's no solution to wealth inequality from the left outside of take from someone to give to someone else. There's no solution from the left on education, aside from throw more money into a system that's broken. There's no solution from the left as it deals with Second Amendment rights, First Amendment rights, that actually would be something I could agree with. So when people say this stuff now, they go, man, they just want us left versus right so we don't focus on the elites, man. I go, well, hold on a second. There are Jews, for example, that's a really popular topic right now, like the Jews, right? Tie your shoes together, you're gonna trip when you fall getting off the chair.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  I probably disagree with, uh, American Jews on most things. Certainly theologically, but not everything. I probably disagree with most black American voters on a lot, but not everything. I probably disagree with a lot of billionaires or millionaires on a good amount of, if we're categorizing them this way. I am going to disagree with the left's proposed solution in this country on everything. And I just think that clarity, for me, is important. I don't shy away from it. I, I still will sit down and have these conversations, but I'm the guy who does. But what good ideas coming from the left, really? Like, what good ideas coming from the left today?

• 12:06Jack Selby?

  What are the good ideas coming from the right?

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Closing the borders, deporting illegal aliens who are here, allowing people to keep more of what they've earned, allowing school choice, just a really easy one, attaching the voucher to the student as opposed to putting it directly in a school. Now, there's actually an interesting, kind of, maybe answer to your question. Where I was raised in Canada, in Quebec, which is a socialist, well, it's not political, the idea of school choice. So I went to a school, a high school, that in the United States, I would not be able to go to. Because if you're willing to drive, get on a bus, you can choose your school. It was very new to me when I came to the United States. Go, wait a second, I have to go to one school based on a zip code? And it's politicized here. So, for example, in the UK, I think, most of Europe, suppressors, silencers are not a political issue if you're a hunter.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  It's considered noise pollution. It's considered polite to use a suppressor. But here, everyone thinks that it's gonna be, you know, Mr. Corleone says hello, poofoo, in the middle of the night, are you gonna come with a piano wire? No, so there are issues that are not political, that have been politicized here, that maybe aren't right-left. I can't think of anything valid from the left as far as the right. I mean, all of those, immigration, school, taxes, Second Amendment, First Amendment.

• 13:13Jack Selby?

  What do you think the right could be improving on, then?

• 13:16Speaker 02

  I mean, the right could always improve on the messaging. Like, that's the reason I'm here.

• 13:20Jack Selby?

  But what about from a policy perspective? Because the messaging, I feel like, is also sort of like, uh, you're kind of pushing off the actual answer to the question because, like, that's, it's saying that there's nothing, like, inherently wrong or fundamentally wrong or from a, from a, uh, a theory perspective incorrect.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  The Republican Party, the administration, or the right-wing worldview? Because I just don't, I don't find any flaw with a right-wing worldview. I just don't. I think it's the right one. I mean, nothing is perfect, right? But that's kind of built into a right-wing worldview. In other words, as a Christian, uh, I believe that human beings are inherently sinful and selfish, if left to our own devices. That's why we need a God greater than us to redeem us. Uh, and I don't believe there can be any redemption outside of Christ. I don't say that to offend anybody. That's what all Christians primarily believe. So in order to mitigate that, I don't want to centralize that power, assuming that a small subset are going to be inherently virtuous, like those in government. The only way that a large centralized government can work is if you believe people are so bad, if left to their own devices,

• 14:22Speaker 02

  that these people, these sort of priests, they can get it right and they'll be beyond corruption. So as far as a worldview, the sinful nature, the flawed nature, the selfish nature of human beings is built into a free enterprise system where that damage is mitigated, which is why I'm just, I'm just right-leaning.

• 14:39Jack Selby?

  So let's, let's distill it down to this, then. If it's the theory of the left and not the, the, the policy prescriptions being proposed by them, but let's just say more liberal theory, what is the strongest belief of liberal theory?

• 14:56Speaker 02

  Marxism. Marxism.

• 14:58Jack Selby?

  That is the, that is the most valid-

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Doing everything, if you want to understand the left, and I've talked about this, and I, we right away got into politics, I know we're gonna discuss some other things, but I'm, I'm happy to do this, is, um, okay, pick any issue, right? I'm sure we've all seen this, like, queers for Palestine. It's funny, right? Because if those queers went to Palestine, it would be men for a week. It's silly. How do you have a Palestinian flag next to a rainbow flag, Rashida Tlaib? It makes no sense. It does make sense when you understand Marxism. They view every single individual issue through the lens of oppressor, oppressed. An oppressor is just the byproduct of success, of whatever gains you've made. That's why if you're wealthy, you're bad. If you're a white male, you're bad.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  So in this country, trans oppressed, LGBTQ oppressed. In the Israeli conflict with Palestine, oh, well, they're less successful, so they're oppressed. Remember the Stop Asian Hate campaign that went away really quickly when we found out who was committing the actual hate crimes against Asians? Black Americans, doesn't mean all black Americans, just as far as interracial crime statistics. They discard useful minorities if it doesn't help them perpetuate that narrative. Pick any topic, and I'll show you. You want to understand it? Look at it through the lens of who's the oppressor, who's the oppressed. That's how they see everything. And I don't hate someone for being more successful than me. I don't hate someone for being part of a larger majority group than myself.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  That's the fundamental difference, is we view, um, individuals and character and, and systems, and they view oppressor oppressed.

• 16:32Jack Selby?

  So who is the most reasonable person on the left, then?

• 16:35Speaker 02

  So back in the day, it would have been people like Alan Combs, you know, at Fox News. I used to do a show, uh, on Fridays. Today, it'd be pretty tough, it's pretty tough where you have people have to follow lockstep with, you have transitioning kids and taking them away from parents if it's not affirmed. Like, I think that's absolute insanity.

• 16:51Graham Stephan?

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• 18:07Speaker 02

  You have transitioning kids and taking them away from parents if it's not affirmed. Like, I think that's absolute insanity.

• 18:13Jack Selby?

  Right, but if we had to pick-

• 18:14Speaker 02

  Probably like a Pierce Morgan, because he's, like, he's mostly liberal, he's just kind of annoying. And I say this as a friend of his who does his show all the time, like, I try and avoid the Second Amendment with him or the First Amendment. But he's, he's more reasonable, he's parted ways with the left, and he'll actually sit down and have a conversation and concede some good points. So there are people like him out there. There really aren't many, though. There aren't many people who identify as moderate, sure.

• 18:36Graham Stephan?

  Who would you say is harder to debate, someone extremely intelligent or someone extremely stupid?

• 18:42Speaker 02

  No, I'd definitely say someone supremely intelligent as far as, and I'm no skilled debater, but like I said, this is, this is rhetoric. I wasn't trained up in it. There are people out there who are far better than me in debate, people like Ben Shapiro, people like Andrew Wilson. I'm really kind of sitting down and having a conversation, and you can see that I, I believe what I believe passionately, so I'm willing to defend the position. People who are really stupid, do any of you do any sports or, like, any combat sports? So you don't get hurt, like, in, let's say, judo or wrestling, or you don't get hurt rolling with a black belt or a pro. You get hurt rolling with someone who's new. Because at a certain point, you're going, okay, we're trying to mimic competition, combat, but we want to come back and train tomorrow. Whereas the white belt just comes in and, like, just grabs your leg and reefs it, you know what I mean?

• 19:25Speaker 02

  It wouldn't win a fight, but it can hurt you, so you can't train the next day. So often, new people can kind of be spazzy and they'll just throw something at you, like, yeah, but what about Jewish space lasers? You're like, ah, I wasn't ready for that because it's imaginary. So that can throw you for a loop, but, um, again, I think most people kind of see it for what it is.

• 19:43Jack Selby?

  Who's been your top-

• 19:44Graham Stephan?

  Office debate.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Oh, all of them.

• 19:46Graham Stephan?

  Is there one that stands out?

• 19:48Speaker 02

  I mean, this right now, because there's two of you, and it's kind of a little bit, a little bit of a

• 19:51Graham Stephan?

  I feel honored.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm joking. I am.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  You know, one thing for me is, is I always get very nervous before any type of sit down. So I've had like UFC heavyweight champions on, I had Thomas Sowell on, who was, you know, like for me, a hero and as far as an economist, Brian Shaw, the world's strongest man, like four times. So I've had people on the show who are excellent.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  And I've asked them a question that often stumps them. And it's one that I really want the answer to. I've said, what are the harder losses to handle? Where you made a mistake, you zagged when you should have zigged, or you went right when you should have gone left. Does that eat at you more than you did everything right? You put in all the work, you slept right, you ate right, you know, you did debate prep correctly, and you still came up short. The opponent was better than you anyway. And they always take a little while to answer. But I'd say probably like seven out of 10 times, they go, now the one, the one where I made a mistake. Because I can kind of accept that I gave it my all and someone else was better, because maybe they were

• 20:53Speaker 02

  just better that day. So I would say really the, the most difficult ones are ones where I go back and maybe I was really tired or stressed, or there was like a security issue. So my brain was somewhere else. One time when I was doing it, I changed my mind in Austin, Alex Jones showed up in an armored vehicle and yelled at the top of his lungs, Steven Crowder, me. So it wasn't so much a debate, but that was like, well, we're like, well, we're done here. This is no longer going to be a sit down with anybody. That's how we became friends, actually. And I think probably one thing that I have going for me is I speak to everyone pretty similarly. And I just said, Alex, I mean, I'm sure you can edit. I said, Alex, what the? He goes, what? I said, you just, we have this permit and we're there and he just yelled at the top of your lungs that I

• 21:35Speaker 02

  do what she's like, I just thought it'd be funny. I'm like, okay, but now we can't do what we came here to do. He's like, I'm, I'm sorry. I just, I just thought it'd be funny. And, you know, I will have you on the show and talk about it. And we became friends after. And I disagree with him on probably 80%. Again, assuming someone's acting in good faith. If you sit down and talk with people, you would be amazed at what you can accomplish. And I think it's really important. Because there are people with whom you can't reason. There are people where it doesn't matter. And, and they wouldn't lift a finger to help you if you were on fire. And you can only know who those people are if you really have exhausted every opportunity, every possibility. I'd have to think about who's been the toughest debate.

• 22:14Graham Stephan?

  Who's been the most intelligent person you've debated?

• 22:17Speaker 02

  People aren't going to like this answer. Nick Fuentes.

• 22:20Graham Stephan?

  Really?

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, Nick Fuentes is a sharp kid. He's a sharp kid. And, and the reason why I also said that, because, because he came on a second time, too. First time people thought was too friendly. But I also understand where he's coming from. You have to understand, this was a kid. And by the way, he's wrong. And he said some things that are abhorrent. And I don't mean jokes, just views that I completely disagree with.

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• 23:08Speaker 02

  But if you separate some of the rhetoric, if you sell, separate some of the, you know, the one liners, the clips from what he communicates, it's actually far more coherent than a lot of people sort of on the Marxist dissident right, right now. But I, I always make sure to never sandbag people. So I made sure my producer told him like, look, this is not going to be an unfair debate. Steven is going to play your clips, the most clipped moments, so that you can address them and you can see where you actually disagree. And then he's going to ask you about a path going forward. He said, okay, we did it. And he was respectful. It was fair. And the next time he came on, it was a little more free flow and it got pretty heated. I think there's a reason.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  And it's not just because of his views on Israel. It's not just because of, you know, whatever the Groypur War, things like that. I think he can catch people flat footed, because he's very good at arguing his position. Whether you think it's a terrible position or not, anyone who dismisses him and just says, wow, he's an idiot. That's someone who, who doesn't want that matchup.

• 24:08Graham Stephan?

  How much of that, though, is just technical skills? And that you're really good on your facts versus just being really persuasive? It seems like some people just, they're, they're wrong, but they have really good speaking spill skills.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  That's true. You can make up for it. Like, there are a lot of people who will sound great. And then you, and then you're sitting like, wow. He didn't say anything, you know?

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Both are relevant. I wouldn't say with Nick, he's a funny guy. It's disarming, but he also has very good recall. And he's able to, he's also been in the thick of it. I mean, since he was 18, this kid was boxed out from, you know, Conservative Inc. or Big Kong, whatever you want to call it. And you could say rightfully so. But, I mean, I invited on my show, for example, I've had Ben Shapiro on the show about like a dozen times. And at one point I said, hey, Ben, Tucker, Candace, Levin, Nick, anyone, I'll host a debate between you, or I'll have a conversation with you. Nick answered the call. And I respect people who, who do show up. That doesn't mean you're going to debate every single person with, you know, a random Twitter avatar from Bangladesh. But he's willing to stand in the pocket

• 25:14Speaker 02

  and, and defend it. And, and for that, I respect him. And I would say he is, he is tough. I would say that he's clever. And outside of that, that's one that really sticks out to me.

• 25:22Jack Selby?

  He's done a good job lately. Like, I saw that he went on Andrew Callahan's show, Channel 5, with Hunter Biden. So I thought that was interesting. It seems like he says yes to virtually everything. And he does a great job disarming people with comedy. So he's a, he's a funny and interesting case to observe.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Well, what people will say about him, and I asked him about this, is they say, there's podcasts, Nick? And then there's real Nick, right on his show. So he'll go on someone else's show and he'll be far more amenable to a reasonable point of view. And then he goes on his show and he's more radical. Well, I asked him about that. And I said, well, you're saying this now, but, and I read him his quotes about Stalin. I said, are you going to go back on your show and switch? He goes, no, no. And he explained the context. And as far as I've seen, he's, he's been consistent and he's been, he's been fair about it. So if you were to ask me who's someone who I think will give anyone a tough day out? Definitely someone like him.

• 26:14Jack Selby?

  If you could have one debate happen, who would you want to debate?

• 26:18Speaker 02

  I don't know. That's a tough one. Two other people. Because I would say if it was me, they asked me to debate Candace Owens at this debate con thing. They said, we'll pay you $30,000. I said, okay, sure. They said, she said no. And I said, well, she can have mine. And then she still said no. So that's one that I'm not going to chase her around. And like my friend Andrew raised $300,000, because I've done enough of these. But that would be one that I think is interesting. Outside of that, I, I don't know. It would be interesting just to see Tucker and Ben, just because they've kind of been two dogs staring each other through the fence. And Ben says he wants to do it. I think he's genuine in that. And here's the thing, for me,

• 26:56Speaker 02

  and I don't, this is unfair toward, toward Tucker. And I don't want to be divisive here, because I know people line up on one side or the other. But Tucker has no problem insulting and calling out Ben. Now, I have a rule. If I insult or call you out, even if you're like an OnlyFans chick, and you say, hey, that's not fair, and you ask to be in the, I'll, I'll host you. Because I'm the one who drew first blood, even if it was meant to be funny. To me, if you're going to snip, you're going to chirp at somebody, will you also have to make that walk and answer the call? Seems from what we know, Ben has said yes, whether you agree with him or not, and, and Tucker has declined. So that's one that I would probably like to see, if only because I think it might provide some clarity. And I don't agree with either one of them on everything. And I disagree with both of them probably on a substantial amount. But, but, you know, I do have respect for them.

• 27:39Graham Stephan?

  What's interesting is that Tucker came from Fox and you used to work for Fox. What was that contract like when you worked there?

• 27:47Jack Selby?

  You were actually the youngest paid contributor at Fox, right? At 21 years old?

• 27:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. It sucked. I mean, they were very nice to me, to be fair. But I was there for like four and a half years.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  You know, like, when people, there's that whole, like, are we there yet? Well, there was no there yet. So early on, like, if you look at the early YouTube videos I did, the first ones I did were 2006. My brother was actually one of the first, I think, 100 YouTube partners. And then the political videos that I did were just sort of taking stand up videos. The first one with a blue bed sheet in the background was Crazy Pizza and Barn, where I just read from Planned Parenthood, because they read like bad used car sales. I'm offering quality at affordable prices in a little bow low tie. And that got like 20,000 plays. And I manually added the first 10,000 subscribers that I had, because you could message them back then. There were no conservatives, but there were some channels. So I thought, hey, you like this channel. You might like my video on the Second Amendment, doing an impression of Michael Moore.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Okay. They brought me on at that point, because it was, it was very novel. There were no conservatives sort of on YouTube. They didn't know what they wanted to do with me. They just knew that they didn't want anyone else to have me. So really what the contract was, was I couldn't appear anywhere else. I think what happened was they brought me on, there was a show called Red Eye, and then they brought me on Fox and Friends, and it was for a debate. And it should have been a layup for them. And I just kind of gave him a tough time. So they started feeding me more debates where I actually had a debate on Fox and Friends every Sunday for a while. And Tucker would often host that with Alicia Menendez, Bob Menendez's daughter, you know, the Senator who's been like stashing gold. And I don't know where he is now, probably in an orange jumpsuit. And then at a certain point, they told her like, yeah, you probably shouldn't do these debates anymore. She like worked for a nonprofit, they told her to stop.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  So I was there doing that for a while, but I kind of knew there wasn't really a future. Like they would ask me to put on a jacket or a polo like, ah, could you just like be a little less rough around the edges? You know, kind of ask me to not be me. And that was a really tough, I will tell you, I had this, it's funny enough, I had this framed for a very long time in my office. Until my friend said, you shouldn't have this and got rid of it. But it was a Daily Beast article when I left Fox News, the unmaking of a conservative pundit. I was like 24, 25 and it was basically my professional obituary about how everything is done. This rising star and it's over. And it was after that, and after I had a radio deal fall through where I just said, you know what? I'm never going to be beholden to anyone else for a check again.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  And win, lose or draw, I'm going to go do this by myself. So I'm very thankful to Fox News and there were a lot of people there who were great. The contract is exclusivity where they just don't want certain people to appear somewhere else, which makes sense.

• 30:23Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  They don't often know how to develop it. I mean, I'll give you this one thing, at one point they were working with me to do a, like kind of a comedy show. But it was not very funny. And there was a producer, an older guy, and I'm talking, he was like 85, but like three year olds, like Old Testament Abraham type. I don't even know how that happens. And he had an idea of a monkey on roller skates. Like when the screen test stuff wasn't working, he's like, you know, it'd be great. We have like a monkey.

• 30:48Jack Selby?

  I actually think that would be good.

• 30:50Graham Stephan?

  People would watch it.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  You think so until you have to go through the logistics and the monkey's going to be everywhere. She's like, well, let's have a diaper.

• 30:56Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, that's. Oh, the diaper. Oh my gosh, I like that even more.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  Maybe I was too much of a puritan where I wanted to actually have content, but I was like, okay, this probably isn't gonna, probably isn't gonna work going forward.

• 31:06Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  Actually, I will say in this setup, I mean, you have plenty of space. This is like Tim.

• 31:10Jack Selby?

  We could just have it going on the entire, yeah, we could set up a half pipe. It would just be like kind of going back and forth the whole time.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  You could teach it to like pickpocket where you're like, hey, have some ice coffee. You just steal their gold bars because everyone has a gold sponsorship now.

• 31:20Graham Stephan?

  So could Fox then tell you what to say and what not to say? Was that?

• 31:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 31:25Graham Stephan?

  They allowed you to speak freely on whatever you want.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Well, okay. There were two parts to your question there. Tell me what to say, never. Tell me that this may not be something good to talk about. Yeah.

• 31:38Jack Selby?

  What were those things?

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Criticisms, I will say, maybe of certain people like during, during Barack Obama, that second election against Mitt Romney. I mean, I made fun of him a lot and I've made fun of Donald Trump a lot. I've made fun of everybody a lot, but they didn't like it. And at that point, I think it got down to choice with like him, Gingrich and Santorum. And I think at that point I said, you know what? If I have to choose, I guess I'd choose Santorum because I think he'd probably do better in the Rust Belt than Mitt Romney. He's seen as less elitist. They didn't like that. And then there was one where I won't give you the name, but someone at Fox News was a producer and produced themselves on air segments. And they would take things that I had done, like on my YouTube channel and then produce it on air. And I knew it when there was a segment where this host presented it as though they had gone to Detroit.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  And some of the footage was the old Packard plant. And I knew that the area on camera was my footage because that area was no longer there. And I actually complained, I was like, look, like, you know, I'm just like this kid who's a contributor, but you know, I create this content on my own on YouTube and I pay for it. And I'd like to be able to come on and talk about it because I don't make my entire living from the contributorship. And it's kind of tough if you have a producer and they said, we see that, we understand that, but I wouldn't ever bring that up again. Cause that person is, you know, in, in very good graces here. And I was like, oh, okay. So stuff like that, it was certain more interpersonal stuff, like the world's biggest high school. And by the way, I was a kid, I didn't know how to navigate it. I went and I was probably bombastic like, ah, this guy's a, hey, it looks like someone took a shit on your head, whatever it is, you know, it was a comet coming in.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  So I'm sure I rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, you know, as I often do.

• 33:14Graham Stephan?

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• 34:02Graham Stephan?

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• 35:33Speaker 02

  Do you guys remember a journalist when Andrew Breitbart was around? This was the first sort of smoking of media bias as an example. And I'm going by rote here, so please forgive me if I don't get it all, all correct. But it was basically a closed circuit email list with the Obama administration directly going to journalists. And I remember there were people in Washington Post, I really, I distinctly remember Dave Weigel was in there where it was leaked that they would give them talking points. And then you'd see these people in the media all issue the same talking points. Andrew Breitbart has sort of highlighted that. So ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, they're kind of all one in the same. Fox News was the one exception. Now, I was raised in Canada where we didn't have Fox News, but we didn't even have AM radio.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  I was lucky if on a good day I could pirate a station on my radio from Plattsburgh, New York. If I drove close enough to the border to hear like Rush Limbaugh or something like that. So I wasn't really starstruck when I went into Fox News, but I always thought it was funny. I'm like, well, you guys have everything not named Fox News and you complain about Fox News. I'm like, you guys have the entire entertainment industry and media. And basically Rush Limbaugh sort of revived this dead medium AM radio. And then all of a sudden you guys want to have equal time on AM radio. And they tried it with, was it Radio America or Air America? And it sucked. No one listened to it. So I noticed there was a real stranglehold on media and then that happened. I watched, this was very important for me. So Andrew Breitbart was very formative for me.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Before that, I was just an actor and a comic and I started acting when I was 12 in Canada and started doing stand up when I was a teenager. And I heard Andrew Breitbart on the Dennis Miller Show. And this is when I would listen online, remember back then before YouTube or like for Spotify or Pandora, you had to like go to a website. You open a flash player. You're like, yeah, geo cities dot Dennis Miller, Angel Fire.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  And he was talking about this thing, Big Hollywood. And I just tried to find him and looked him up and he spoke with me for like 45 minutes, like I was a senator. And he just started posting my videos. If you go back and watch the original videos in 2008, you'll see like at the end, it says bighollywood.brightbart.com. Just as a thank you to him and hot air, that was Michelle Malkin's thing. And they didn't get along that well, but they never put me in the middle of it, which I'm very appreciative of. And I'd like us to go back to disagreements are good, character assassination isn't. But I watched Andrew Breitbart, he was the belle of the ball with the acorn scandal, right? James O'Keefe, Hannah Giles. And then what happened is he got screwed by hosts. I believe it was Shirley Sherrod, she was the Department of, the Department of Agriculture, Interior, something like that.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  And he ran on his website, this clip of her speaking at the NAACP. And she said, you know, and then I realized that the white farmer wanted help and I did not help him as much and the audience cheers. Now Andrew Breitbart posted this clip, but right underneath it, he, he writes, now later on in this video with a time code. She goes on to explain that she realized it wasn't about white versus black, but it was about class. So her humanity got the better of her, but the NAACP audience cheering the racist act didn't know that right at that point. So he contextually was appropriate. Bill O'Reilly, I think Glenn Beck and some hosts ran it. They just ran her saying, I did not help the white farmer. And they go, despicable. And so she got fired and they blamed Andrew.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  And then when it came out that she later on said, and of course I realized that that was wrong. They go, I can't, Andrew, this is the kind of gotcha journalism we don't want. And that he was persona non grata, but he didn't make the mistake. It was editors on the shows who didn't want to take accountability. So he wasn't allowed back for a long time. And I watched that and I watched it slowly eat away at him. And then the Anthony Weiner scandal happened where he was, you know, seeing other women who were not his wife, they may, I don't know if they were underage, but they were young. And Andrew Breitbart got this story. And everyone was just saying, well, you can't trust that it's Andrew Breitbart. This is a fake scandal. There was a press conference, Anthony Weiner was hosting at a hotel in DC. He's there at the podium and he's about to go out and say, and these awful smears designed to destroy my family.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  We will pursue them. It's all false. And Andrew Breitbart was there and people will tell you, they said, Andrew Breitbart's in the building, yelled it out. And he took that podium and he said, I have the pictures here, but for the sake of his family, I don't want to reveal them publicly. And I want you to apologize. I want you to clear my name because you said that I lied about this. And Anthony Weiner has to take the stage after that.

• 39:57Jack Selby?

  Wow.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Tear up his speech. I'm sorry, it's true. He was ready to destroy that man's life. Now that doesn't just happen because Anthony Weiner is some charmer. It happens because he knows that every single network will carry that water and destroy that man's life. And if he didn't have the receipts. They still would have believed Anthony Weiner. And that's about one man against the entire system. So that's how they control it. Because if Anthony Weiner says it's a lie, they all said, it's a lie. Andrew Breitbart's a liar. They didn't ask him. They didn't reach out to Andrew. So I saw that firsthand. And so I always say, like, as far as a conspiracy, a good litmus test, because now conspiracies are all the rage, right? Some of them are true. I think especially since COVID, a lot of people feel shell shocked.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Some of them aren't. A good test is how many people have to be involved for this to work. So like, you know, Area 51, the janitor who's keeping the trash underground, right? Like, it's too many people to not talk. When you talk about big tech censorship or media, it's really just a conference call of 10 people, like Alex Jones, agree, disagree, love him, hate him. It just needed to be a call between about six people to say, yeah, we're going to deplatform him. And it all happened within 24 hours. That's not a conspiracy. That's a business decision that makes sense for people to preserve a narrative. That's how.

• 41:14Jack Selby?

  So who do you think is at the top of it all then? Like, who are the, the people that are calling the shots?

• 41:19Speaker 02

  Well, I, I don't think there's one person at the top. I think it's this unholy amalgam. This unholy sort of giant transformer of DNC leftist worldview, people in the Beltway, in New York, NDC, and those in media. I mean, I, I've been there. That's also why I don't go to even like CPAC or places like that. They're all having cocktail parties. And at certain points, like, no, no cocktails. I have plenty of friends. I'm fine having a few enemies. They're all in the same room. They're all going to the same parties. It's, you can see it with your own eyes. And when they all share the same worldview, it's a blind spot. So I don't know if they were all like, well, absolutely. Andrew Breitbart must be lying to the point that we're not going to even make a phone call and ask for a receipt. Or if they all just said, hey, Wieners are guy.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Or if they all just said, you know, Barack, sure Barack Obama, people are saying that he, you know, did with a convicted domestic bill airs and he's written about it in his own book. But we're just going to ignore it. Do they believe that it's a myth? Or do they not pursue the truth? I don't know, but they all move as a flock.

• 42:22Jack Selby?

  Who in media do you think espouses beliefs that they do not even believe?

• 42:28Speaker 02

  I don't know. I, I try to stay out of the business of ascribing motive.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  I, I always say, again, from a viewership perspective, from a viewer, their perspective, if someone is very, very inconsistent, where it seems like their foundational principles have shifted, and they go back and forth, it's, and they don't have a flash of genius moment. Like, a good example is Mitt Romney, when he was running for president. He was a pro guy, even though he was a Republican, his whole life. And then when he ran for president, he's like, no, I'm pro-life now. Okay. Why? Because I've actually with a change my mind. I had someone come on the show later on who changed when I said, you're going to, you're going to meet your son in heaven one day. And she became a pro-life activist, but she didn't know beforehand. Mitt Romney just said, you know, I, I know, I just thought about it. It's like, well, you were already Mormon. You were already allegedly a man of faith.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Right? So you already knew these things. You already were supposed to have a foundational belief as to where life begins. Whether someone agrees with it or not, this should be dictated to him by his self-professed faith, and it did in his whole life. He didn't have a good reason. That seems like it's political expediency. So if someone switches, and it's a legal term, flash of genius, right? There's a moment we find out when great inventions are created, that it can usually be traced to a moment. And it's actually used as a standard often in court. Somebody just goes, ah, I was a liberal, but now I'm a conservative. Ah, now I'm a black pillar. It's like, the only thing consistent is pursuing clicks. And you see that a lot.

• 43:54Jack Selby?

  Are some political opinions more profitable to have?

• 43:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:58Jack Selby?

  What's the most profitable and what's the least profitable?

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Well, it's changed quite a bit. So when I got into it, again, coming in as an actor in a stand-up, doing stuff on YouTube, it was only a cost. I lost my manager. I lost my agent. I was banned from colleges. I had dates that were rescinded, all of this. This is before I was even really known. That's different now, because media has sort of fractured, right? So, so both can be profitable. Once upon a time, you could only exist in the media landscape, the legacy media landscape. If you leaned left, or if you were a permissible sort of token right person, right? Who would sit down at a panel and, you know, they'd beat your ass a little bit and then say, hey, weren't we balanced?

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• 45:07Speaker 02

  Now, there's a way to pursue any type of niche, you know, like whether it's mumblecore rap. I mean, it's profitable to have like a crazy conspiracy theory podcast for the same reason it's more profitable now to have a mixed martial arts podcast.

• 45:20Jack Selby?

  But there's certain money within different sectors, like funnel money, probably for propaganda reasons to, you know, push out some sort of a narrative. Like, are there certain beliefs that you think are, there's a lot of money in that are profitable to have? Because Graham is trying to figure out what beliefs he should take on.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that what it is?

• 45:38Graham Stephan?

  I want to know what this says.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  After this, he's going to introduce, oh, I love China so much. Oh, so good of China. So much of China, better than the United States, Red Bull. Do not edit that out. I don't care if YouTube says this is not friendly. There is obviously foreign influence. And by the way, that's true for all governments. It's true for Israel. There's validity there. It's certainly true for Qatar, for China, if you run the numbers.

• 46:05Jack Selby?

  Are they, like, literally the countries sending money to people?

• 46:08Graham Stephan?

  So I, I heard, and this is a conspiracy on Twitter or X, that China is giving us this propaganda about AI data centers and how AI is bad and how AI is, you know, horrible for the environment and this and that, just for them to be able to get a leg up on AI.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:28Graham Stephan?

  I don't know if that's a, a thing, but if it is, how are they getting it out there? Is it through like shorts? Is it like feeding a narrative to someone?

• 46:35Speaker 02

  Was a big thing. So I've been banned from TikTok for a long time. Now, to be fair, we did have a segment called TikTok, please ban me, where I would just take 30 seconds per show, you know, no, Xi Jinping has a small, did you know? And there's be a bunch of facts. They didn't ban me when I did that, because they knew there were too many eyeballs on it. They banned me in the dead of night, once I got bored of the segment. But absolutely, they do, they're willing to fund propaganda. I mean, if you think that Iran, Russia, China, Israel, if you think that they're not picking sides or fights in these global affairs, I mean, you're, you're silly. With China, the data center thing.

• 47:08Speaker 02

  So I know that that's true, not just because whatever the, I think it was the FBI or if it was the DOJ who said that they found a big bot ring. I know it because I've followed direct CCP accounts on X that have said, data centers are so bad for the environment, while they build data centers at record speed over there, right? So I can see that with my own eyes. Now, that is not to say, and here's the problem, the messaging problem, is if you say this is all propaganda, well, that doesn't take into account the person who lives in a neighborhood where maybe a data center has been a serious problem or a blight for them. So you can't dismiss everyone as a tool of propaganda. In some cases, they may have been convinced by the propaganda and not know it. But yeah, we certainly see a lot of that.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  I mean, you saw that with the pro Russia propaganda at one point, like, look, they have great grocery stores. Look at the subway, you know, it's like, it's like the interview where it's a fake town, it's not a real subway.

• 48:00Jack Selby?

  Tucker Carlson to like shill for the grocery stores?

• 48:04Speaker 02

  I have no idea. I know that he didn't include the average income of a Russian and what they wouldn't, wouldn't be able to afford. It's like, hey, look, this loaf of bread is 30% less, and their salary is 98% less, you know? To me, it's really weird when you see people like propping up something that we know is false. I mean, you see it from the left too, with like the communist Cuban government, we just saw that. So, yeah, there, there is an incentive. I will say this, I'm kind of insulated from it. And by that, I mean, early on, I was like, okay, the stuff that I'm saying is probably gonna, probably gonna get me banned or, you know, demonetized wasn't a term at that point. Sorry, I kind of set the, I was the pace car for the rest of you guys on YouTube. So that's when I created Mug Club, a subscription thing, where I was like, okay, I don't want to be beholden to YouTube advertising dollars.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  I was very clear with my audience as I did that, and I never wanted to be beholden to nonprofits. So I will say this, there are definitely a lot of major nonprofits in the United States, both on the left and on the right, where if you go beyond those guardrails, those donors just aren't going to show up. And the truth is, in this industry, you owe. Patrice O'Neal said this, like, at some point, you owe. And so if someone else is funding it, if someone else is donating it, if it's a nonprofit, but it's an investor, it's really a donor, they are going to have some expectations. And that's why I've avoided that. And that's why I'm kind of an island, for better or worse. The same thing, if you're getting a lot of deals directly through some of these big tech companies, you do have to play ball.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  So that's how the influence is sort of exerted. It's exerted in a soft way, where you're just, you're just not allowed at the cool kids' table if you say the thing that you're not allowed to say. And then there's a cottage industry for that, where now everyone just goes, see, we're not allowed to say, and it's all about the Jews. And then some people, it's all about Iran, and neither one is accurate.

• 49:50Jack Selby?

  It's interesting you mentioned you had some dates rescinded, because I actually had that happen to me literally two nights ago. I was on Hinge, I had matched with someone, and then if you match with someone on Hinge, you can add a note to your profile. And so like, it says, you've matched with them, but before you start talking to them, you need to read their note. And their note was like, you know, if you are conservative or this or that, like, then don't even match with me. I don't even know, I didn't really read it. Anyways, I.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Well, maybe that's why you're losing dates. You're like, I was, she's like, well, he just doesn't listen at all. He doesn't read my profile.

• 50:20Jack Selby?

  I mean, I don't even know what it was about, but it's like, hey, if you have a note like that, or just some sort of note in general, included in the profile, instead of something that only appears, because if you actually wanted to use it as a filter, then use it as a filter.

• 50:31Graham Stephan?

  Don't see who's going to match with you.

• 50:33Jack Selby?

  I guarantee you, if I look like Channing Tatum, she'd be like, I don't care.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably.

• 50:37Jack Selby?

  So that's.

• 50:38Speaker 02

  But you're a good looking guy. I didn't mean those dates. I meant, I meant performance dates.

• 50:41Jack Selby?

  But.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  I meant like stand-up dates, tour dates. You're just like, oh, man.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  You're like the panda at the zoo that needs to get lucky.

• 50:52Jack Selby?

  But it happens. And it's crazy, because like this, literally the girl, she asked, oh, well, what do you do for a living? I was like, well, I make YouTube videos. And then she apparently reverse image searched my profile, found it online, went to it. Because I asked like, how did you? And she's like, oh, yeah, I saw that you did YouTube, you know, your, your channel is interesting. It's about finance. I was like, well, how did you know? And she explained the whole thing.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:11Jack Selby?

  And then, so obviously, kudos to her. She did a, she did really well research.

• 51:15Graham Stephan?

  That's good.

• 51:15Jack Selby?

  And then after that, she said, you know, what's your opinion on having some people with, you know, conservative opinions on your podcast? And I was like, well, it'd be pretty boring if I only brought on people with one opinion, right? Like, I'm not the person that's going to determine what the audience should or should. Like, I, I want to bring on everybody. I think that's interesting. And then she was like, yeah, this is probably not going to work out. And she's like, for that reason, I'm going to unmatch. Like, no.

• 51:40Graham Stephan?

  Was she, was she attractive or no?

• 51:44Speaker 02

  One to ten.

• 51:44Jack Selby?

  It would be funny if I said no, but yeah, I mean, she was, she was pretty, but I didn't feel like I had lost anything, you know, like attraction wise. Like I didn't think, I didn't think it was a huge, but.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  Did you tell her how tall you were? Cause you're a tall guy.

• 51:56Jack Selby?

  I'm a tall guy, but.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Did you tell her that you're wealthy?

• 51:58Jack Selby?

  Tall drink of water.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Cause if you said I'm tall and wealthy, that wouldn't care.

• 52:02Jack Selby?

  That's what you may think, but she seemed to be very, you know, stuck in that way, which I thought was interesting. Granted, is she attractive? She's okay, but she was in Vegas and Vegas is low. So in Vegas, she was hot.

• 52:15Graham Stephan?

  So Vegas nine.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Vegas, you're saying women are not attractive in Vegas?

• 52:17Jack Selby?

  Yes.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Really?

• 52:18Jack Selby?

  Yes.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  Is this as well as the show?

• 52:20Graham Stephan?

  A lot of them are transient. So you have like.

• 52:22Jack Selby?

  Not the one.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  No, I got transient. They're migrating through.

• 52:25Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. So you get people in for a weekend. They don't count. They don't count.

• 52:29Jack Selby?

  The attractive women that are in Vegas from my, and granted, there are some people that are attractive that live in Vegas, but a lot of the attractive ones, they come in, they, you know, stand behind the DJ at four in the morning, early on a Sunday. It's like, do I want to go get coffee with them at nine AM? Probably not. You know, I'd rather them go back to their suite, you know, with the DJ, like, you know, stay.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  You built this whole situation up in your mind, man. Like this is very, like they're going back to their suite with a DJ. And here I am with my stupid coffee in the morning. Nah, you gotta have more confidence. But it's gotta be tough to date high profile. Cause I went through that. It was very, very brief. And I determined like, oh man, I don't want to date any, I don't want to date someone who's a super fan. Cause I went on a date with someone, great girl, just to be clear. But you know, I'm meeting a stranger and she knew everything about me. And I'm like, you know, this one time and telling a story about like the time I had to put my dog down. And she's, oh yeah, with Hopper and she knew it. I'm like, oh, well, there's this one time that she's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That, and she knows it because you know, my, my life is kind of an open book. And I was like, well, this is, this is weird. Like, you know, this is kind of the lead up to the, to the kiss, good night, you know, the peck. But I don't want the peck because I don't get to have the conversation. You know, you know, everything about me.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  And that's the one thing that's weird about, about fame, um, or perceived fame is we're going to study this one day. You're in a room and you're seeing faces that are completely new to you. And these people think that you have an intimate relationship with them because they know you. And it causes them to act in a weird way. Like a big thing with security is not just people who, who hate me and try to kill me. Though that happens a lot. Sometimes you'll get fans who have like no sense of, of boundaries. I had a guy, I was at a grocery store who came up and asked for a picture. First off, he grabbed me and I almost launched him in the cereal aisle. He like grabbed me from behind. It's like, what is wrong with you? He's like, oh, I just grabbed you. You know, I was like, okay, yeah, you want to take a picture? And he went to take a picture and he,

• 54:15Speaker 02

  my gun was on my hip and he was like, oh, you're packing heat. I'm like, the fuck, don't grab a man's. You, are you, are you functionally? He was like, oh, well, you know, I just thought it'd be funny. Cause I have a gun too. And he shows it. I'm like, put that, put that away.

• 54:28Graham Stephan?

  Oh my gosh.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  So you'll get these people. It's really weird. Dating, I would imagine has to be, has to be tough, but you're a good looking guy. You're tall.

• 54:35Graham Stephan?

  We have a different audience. Our finance audience is the most like.

• 54:38Jack Selby?

  Ninety-five percent male. So it's not like it's really doing me any favors.

• 54:41Graham Stephan?

  But even then of, of the men, it's always like entrepreneurs, business owners.

• 54:46Jack Selby?

  What do you mean of the men?

• 54:48Graham Stephan?

  Of the ninety-five percent.

• 54:50Jack Selby?

  That doesn't matter.

• 54:51Graham Stephan?

  Just, I'm just saying.

• 54:52Jack Selby?

  I'm not saying.

• 54:53Graham Stephan?

  Everyone that we've met so far has been.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Men matter too.

• 54:55Jack Selby?

  Men matter.

• 54:56Graham Stephan?

  Extremely normal. Like we've never really had any like weird, one guy shook my hand for too long and that was probably the worst event.

• 55:03Jack Selby?

  And he used his index finger, kind of rubbed the back of his hand. For me.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Oh no, that's a signal. Yeah. It's a signal that he's a, he's a bottom.

• 55:10Jack Selby?

  But that's unfortunate. You guys are going to compete for that position. For, for me, what's interesting.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  Good for you. Look, he came to play. All right.

• 55:17Jack Selby?

  For me, what's interesting is like a lot of the times they'll come up, hey, love the podcast. Don't want to bother you. That's it. Which is amazing. Yeah. Like people are very respectful. I think it might be a little bit different.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  No, no, I will say mine, generally they're very, very good. I will say I've had very limited bad interactions. Which I guess, and I don't know if I should say this, but the perception is that I'm a much smaller guy than I am, I think. Cause people see me at a desk and.

• 55:39Graham Stephan?

  No, but you're always hunched over at the desk. What?

• 55:42Jack Selby?

  Go ahead. Go right ahead, man. This is your favorite thing to talk about.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Oh, or back at men in the bottom thing. By the way, it's okay. All lifestyles are, you know, look, one time I was with, uh, so I'm a relatively big guy and I think the perception is that I'm smaller and Gerald is huge. And one time I was there and there was a guy, I don't know. It was like a meet and greet or something. They were sitting down. And someone went like, I stood up and went like, oh, I didn't know, or some, something to that. I could hear him. And then you'll have to bleep this. And I hate to use Lord of the Invaders. It's just so funny. Gerald stood up and I heard the guy go. Cause he's like six, five, two sixty. And sometimes people have no idea like, oh, these are real people and how they navigate the real world. And it's just a different perception. It meets reality. And sometimes it makes for, you have to allow for the fact that it's the first time they're meeting someone. Like that guy rubbing the back of your hand, you know?

• 56:27Graham Stephan?

  Very gently.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  He probably, he probably like walked through that multiple times in his mind. This is going to be good for me. This is going to be, this is a good move.

• 56:33Graham Stephan?

  It's going to pan out well.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. But no, they're generally, um, great, uh, in person, because usually people who, who talk crap and stuff. I had, I've had a few negative interactions. Um, the ones you're concerned with are the people who you don't hear from, who you know, who plot. And that's the reason for the security that we have to have.

• 56:49Jack Selby?

  Which politicians do you think truly do not care about money?

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Probably myself. Um, in the sense that like, I mean, you can ask them, I, I literally have to have my family members or friends, they will buy something for me. Cause I just, I, I go, is this going to measurably improve my life? No. Like I drove an old Ford for a very, very long time. And in my mind, I'm like, I pretty much have all the same stuff in this car that Bill Gates has. Like, okay, I've got, I've got whatever, Apple play. I've got, uh, cooled, heated seats. Like the answer is very few things measurably improve your life. As far as politicians, you know, the ones who, the one who's probably the least able to be bought would be someone like a Donald Trump, because he already has financial independence. And I think there's some value in that.

• 57:32Graham Stephan?

  But that doesn't mean that you can't want more. Like there's some people who have that, but still it's like, well, I have a hundred million or a billion.

• 57:40Jack Selby?

  Not wanting to get rich.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Yes, but it would seem like he's in a different stage of his life.

• 57:43Jack Selby?

  It'd be hard for someone to meaningfully impact his net worth.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  It was a meaningful sacrifice for him to leave running his businesses to run for office. That's something unique about him.

• 57:51Graham Stephan?

  I feel like he's made more money in office than he has his entire career in business.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Now the second term, but remember the first term, they were like, oh, look, he lost three billion dollars. Remember that was the big thing they were championing in the media. So, um, yeah, you could argue now and there's some things that he definitely does. I'm like, well, I was stupid selling whatever gold shoes or, you know, whatever.

• 58:07Graham Stephan?

  There's the watches.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, he, not a fan of that, but I'm just saying as far as someone who can't be bought and sold, like.

• 58:13Graham Stephan?

  But it seems like that's an example though, of him being bought and sold. If he's licensing his image for a watch. Or like putting his face, which is clearly AI, that he's licensed, like.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Or taking a jet from Qatar. It's, it's all bad. What I'm talking about is people who allow something to be built. Or maybe for example, allow some kind of a subsidy to lapse for one industry while they provide it to another. And you see their portfolio skyrocket. You know, we all know like the Pelosi's of the world or Dan Crenshaw had a few really smart, uh, big tech investments. I don't really know of anyone else in this space. A lot of people are driven by that.

• 58:47Graham Stephan?

  Would you say AOC is driven by money?

• 58:50Jack Selby?

  Didn't she recently put out her financial reports and her net worth like has gone down?

• 58:54Graham Stephan?

  Pretty bad. It was pretty bad.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  That's because she's, she's stupid with money. That doesn't mean that she doesn't care about money. I mean, she lives in a nice.

• 59:01Graham Stephan?

  To me, it seems like she just doesn't care about money though. Not necessarily that she's stupid.

• 59:04Jack Selby?

  Didn't she report her net worth? She had like 90K in stocks or something like that?

• 59:07Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't great, but to me that signals that you just don't, there's zero importance.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Maybe she doesn't. She's decided that the currency most valuable is attention. That's why she's posting the thirst traps. Like I'm doing my HCG shot. Nobody look while I lift up my shirt. Not a big fan, but you know, the biddies are fine.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  What? We're not allowed to say that she's got a nice set? Nancy Pelosi has a nice set. She's like 95.

• 59:32Jack Selby?

  Would you?

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Would I, would I, well, no, cause I have a lady, but would I objectively say, hey, it makes sense that someone would motorboat Pelosi? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't begrudge them for it.

• 59:44Jack Selby?

  So how do you, how does louder with Crowder make money?

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Uh, it's almost, so it's almost entirely from subscriptions.

• 59:51Jack Selby?

  Okay.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  From mug club. So we have the single highest, uh, like individual subscriber rate of anyone out there. And that's because we launched it election night, 2016. And then of course, being demonetized, it was already something people were aware of. And so we saw more signups during COVID. We did two a days. Now I will tell you this, I see that going away because now people have subscription fatigue.

• 1:00:10Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  And, and I get it. Like everyone now has a GoFundMe, hit this tip jar. And that's why, you know, we have all these sponsors coming in. And the answer is no for me 95% of the time. Um, so that's why I created a company because supplements are some of the biggest sponsorships right in this space. And I play a game with Gerald where he'll go, okay, this new sponsor wants to come in. It's like male Vita Testa Boost. I go, okay, don't show me the label. I go, don't show me the label. I want you to look at the back. Let me guess. Tribulus. He goes, yep. I go, Fenugreek. Yep. Does that minerals in there? Zinc. Yeah. Magnesium. And I know it's the same bull crap that doesn't do anything. So finally I just created a, a company. We sell two things. We sell multivitamin and we sell creatine. Cause it's the most proven supplement. And that's effectively like a de facto subscription, but it's the best multivitamin on the planet.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  And when I say that, I mean, objectively, it all has a certificate of analysis. Every ingredient is listed. Every ingredient that would have clinical, uh, like a meaningful effect is used at that clinical dose. And people can go and pull a certificate and see that that's exactly what's in there. It's what I've had to take for 15 years. And I'm like, okay, we're going to move away from subscriptions where you're just paying for the content because pirating is making a comeback. But provide some staples that people are already using. They want something they can trust. That's a big thing is authenticity and trust. Like it's, it's a supplement company that offers very few things, but the same way we do the show, where every claim we make, we make the references publicly available. Cause you want to talk about the big scam industries out there. It's, it's not just media, but

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  supplements are a big one. Cosmetics are a big one. Um, medicine in general, like how many ads do you see of like, this was my hair. And it's a cue ball. It's like, no, and it's a Chia Pet, right? You're like, oh, come on. So, uh, that's where we make the vast majority of our revenue.

• 1:01:48Jack Selby?

  You make more money from that?

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Not right now, but it will, it will be, we're, we're going to, over time, replace subscribership mug club. Where the more people who can sign up to just use products that will improve their life. Great. Uh, but yeah, it's all subscriptions. And then I'd say 10% sponsorships and that's increased since I started my own company. It's the only other company I've ever created. And it's really a screw you to the supplement industry. That's the only reason for it.

• 1:02:13Jack Selby?

  How is the supplement business doing?

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  It's doing really well.

• 1:02:16Graham Stephan?

  How big is your business? How many employees do you have now?

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  But real quick, before we get. That answer, if you're watching this.

• 1:02:22Graham Stephan?

  Get out of my seat, dude. What are you doing?

• 1:02:24Jack Selby?

  If you're watching this, thinking about starting a business of your own, you don't need a whole team of employees because they can be a hassle Gavin to get your first sale.

• 1:02:32Graham Stephan?

  Exactly. And with Black Friday and the holiday shopping season coming up, now is the best time to get everything set so that you're ready when people start shopping.

• 1:02:40Jack Selby?

  That's why we love our partner Shopify. I've personally used Shopify a bunch of different times. Before I was working with Graham on the podcast, I had set up probably five or six different Shopify stores and I sold everything. If I could figure it out, you can too. If you have a product that you want to sell online, you should absolutely use Shopify because it is the easiest way to start making real sales.

• 1:03:00Graham Stephan?

  And now their pre-built themes and AI site builder can help you create a professional storefront without having to hire someone to build the website.

• 1:03:07Jack Selby?

  And launching before Black Friday means you could take advantage of the extra online traffic when more people are online shopping and ready to buy.

• 1:03:13Graham Stephan?

  If you're ready to launch your business before Black Friday, just go to Shopify.com slash ICH to start your free trial.

• 1:03:20Jack Selby?

  That is Shopify.com slash ICH.

• 1:03:22Graham Stephan?

  Again, go to Shopify.com slash ICH today to hear your first. How big is your business? How many employees do you have now?

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  Well, it depends because you have some people remote. So it's, it's anywhere from 25 to like 30 something. But then if you include like a supplement, like, okay, the distributor, it'd be probably closer to 40, 50. I don't know.

• 1:03:41Graham Stephan?

  What do you think is the biggest business mistake that you've made?

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  You would talk mistakes. I am not really a business guy. I, I know enough to spend less than what comes in. So that's pretty cool.

• 1:03:55Graham Stephan?

  Do you have a ratio? Like how little you spend versus what comes in?

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  Like I.

• 1:04:00Graham Stephan?

  50%.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  For the longest period of my life, I literally just took what I needed to survive and everything else was invested.

• 1:04:07Jack Selby?

  Invested into what?

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  I just have, it's really simple. I have a diversified portfolio, kind of like an index fund that doubles every 10 years.

• 1:04:13Jack Selby?

  What's been your best investment?

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  That's pretty much the only investment. And then I, you know.

• 1:04:16Jack Selby?

  No, but like what stock?

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't, I couldn't even tell you the stocks. It's like 13,000 stocks and bonds in there. And it just, you know, it has about a 10% yield. I don't really.

• 1:04:24Jack Selby?

  Oh, you're doing, I thought you said it acts like an.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Well, it kind of does. Yeah. It's just, it's a money managed, you know, account. Outside of, I just did some VC stuff for the first time, like in this last couple of months. And the only reason I did it is because the guy who approached me, I really trust. So I just did it on his word. I'm like, look, I don't even know about this industry. If you tell me that you believe it and it's worth trying, I will. Outside of that, I will say reinvesting in the business and seeing where the puck is going. For me, the finances were always a way to keep the cause going. And I know that sounds like I'm an ideologue. I'm on a finance podcast, but I created what I do because it didn't exist. Like when I was at Fox News, like conservatives don't like comedy. And I wrote the, changed my mind like, no, people aren't going to sit down and watch that. I said, well, that's what I want. I grew up watching Letterman.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  I grew up watching Conan, right? I grew up watching comedy. I was like, well, the problem is you get sucker punched in the face every time you tune into something because they're far left. I didn't grow up watching Fox News. I happened to be more right-leaning. And it was so novel, like I said, that early on I hated, they would label like conservative comedians. It's like, ah, I'm a comic who happens to be really more of an actor at that point. And now it's sort of a cottage industry. As far as mistakes, I'll tell you the one that I definitely made was early on in paying my employees like far more than I would take as a salary, right? Cause this was all bankrolled from my savings account. So I've not taken on any investors, no other nonprofit dollars. It's always been what we generate. So I took nothing and paid employees significantly more.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  But I could really, you know, I was really believed in it. And so I expected people wrongfully to be as passionate about it as I was when they were employees. And even though I was making no money, ultimately I'm the one who kind of sees the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. So if I'm up at 3:30, I think it's like a reasonable request, like since you're making a really good salary to, to be in at seven as opposed to nine. And so I, I learned my lesson that way where it's like, oh, no, wait a second. This buck really stops with you and you can't expect anyone else, even if you give them, you know, profit sharing in the company, which we do.

• 1:06:28Graham Stephan?

  As of recently, are you making more from investing or from your business?

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  The truth is I would make more if I quit all this tomorrow, did a once a week show and like got back on the road doing shows. I'd make a lot more. But again, the cause matters to me. That's what gets me excited is like, for example, a big thing, election night 2024. So before that, we had like the, these, I don't say this to, to pat myself on the back, but we had the biggest election streams on the planet. 2020 and even the midterms on rumble outside of YouTube. So for me, I get that dopamine hit where it's like, you know what? Let's help create an alternative where there's a real live viewership where YouTube isn't the only game in town. That really inspired me. The night of the election in 2020, remember Arizona where they called it way too early and there was a lot of controversy?

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  And I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. I remember being live on air with whatever it was, a quarter million people, 400,000 people watching going, that doesn't, that doesn't add up, but I, I can't do anything about it. Well, then in 2024, we had all the same news wires that they had to actually call states. And we had additional specialists so that we could make inferences. And so we were the first place on earth to call, I believe it was Georgia and Michigan by a few hours and we were within one percentage point. And that to me, I'm like, wow, this was a real changing of the guard. You don't need to tune into your favorite podcaster online, but still have CNN up to call the states.

• 1:07:52Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  And that's the kind of thing that inspires me where it's okay, what's next? And how do we, one thing I hate too, that you see a lot, the entertainment industry is

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  you'll see people like Peter Dinklage, like you'll see him, like he'll play an elf and then he'll, he'll climb that ladder and he'll pull it up behind him like, well, I think it's wrong for people to make small people elves. It's like, well, yeah, but you did that for a very long time. Or like Oprah, who was like, ah, all this smut out there. It's like, you literally had paternity tests, like you did that. So I never want to pull the ladder up behind me. I want to make sure that we leave some fertile ground for other people to do it. Because there's been such a large coalition and so much momentum, which is why this, this Marxist right thing is, is so, I would say disheartening to people. So that's what motivates me, me more. As far as finances, I, I don't know. It probably, I'd have to check it out. For me, if I, if I know that my family's taken care of, that I'm comfortable.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  There's like, the only other thing is I would like a plane. So like, there's nothing else that I want. I don't care about cars. I don't care about watches, clothes. But having had friends who had planes and let me borrow it, airports are my least favorite place on earth. I'm like, man, this would be a force multiplier where I could do more content, more investigative videos, more stand-up. So it's like, none of it matters unless it's plane money. And I just don't foresee that happening.

• 1:09:08Graham Stephan?

  How much more money do you have to make to buy a plane?

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 1:09:12Jack Selby?

  Like, do you think you need what? Like 50 million bucks to buy a plane?

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  No, you don't need that. You would probably just need a few million bucks.

• 1:09:18Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. It seems like 10 million to buy a nice plane, plus 2 million a year to run.

• 1:09:22Jack Selby?

  No, no, no, about 50 million.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Oh, you could do it for less than that.

• 1:09:24Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. But how much, but if you make an extra 10 million a year, I mean, there's your plane.

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't think you realize I, when I say reinvested into the business, up until several years, I mean, I never once had a seven-figure year.

• 1:09:37Jack Selby?

  Up until when?

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Call it two or three years. And that's the collective of all my revenue. I just would reinvest it and pay, we have a 401k match. We have health insurance. Everyone gets paid well. But in my mind, the reason that this happened is because we had a business valuator going through some, some issues and lawsuits. And it ended up being pivotal in the suit because the business valuator had to determine how much the business was worth. And they know how much I was worth in the business, meaning if I wasn't there, what it would cost to replace me. And they basically said, you wouldn't be able to find anyone to do it. Like literally would cost you $15 million because at that point I was CEO. At that point I was also doing all of these other jobs. And I was like, huh. It was so bad. They thought I was hiding money.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Like, well, okay, this is your salary on paper, but where are you? I'm like, no, no, that's what I take. I think, but this is what your next highest paid employee makes. I go, yeah. So that's what's funny is when Bernie says the highest paid employee or CEO at a company shouldn't make more, was it more than five times? That's actually racial at my company, but I just don't think it should be enforced. I think people should be generous. I think people should treat their employees well because I see that as ministry. I really do. I don't think you need to be siphoned off in a church in a 501(c)(3) and toss around the offering plate. And look, I have a picture of me in Zambia where, you know, we've given them some chickens who will hatch. I think that in your day-to-day life, you can show generosity with employees. You can show that, hey, this is, this is commerce, but we can do it ethically and I care about you. And I had people who did that with me.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  The two most generous people I've ever known in my life, funny enough, are the two wealthiest people. And the least charitable person I ever met was poor. The guy who lent me a plane, right? He's just a guy who just like, I was like, man, I can't make this because I have to, he goes, well, you want to borrow my plane? And there's a long story behind that. I've told, I almost literally got into a fistfight with his lawyer on the tarmac and we became friends because I called him. I was like, I almost, I almost kicked your lawyer's ass. He was like, oh yeah. When he gets drunk, he's, he's a, so thanks. We became friends after that. He's like, thanks for calling me. I had someone who I was, okay, my manager. And I used to kind of live at his house. This is in Queens. And I had an Acer, remember Acer computers?

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  The really cheap ones. So I got it at CompUSA and it didn't work. And I went back to CompUSA. I said, hey, like this doesn't work. They said, well, we don't have any more. We can't return it. I said, could I just have that gateway? Like, well, that's way more expensive. I said, just give me the floor model. Can I have that? It's well, that's a bunch of dead pixels. I said, okay, that's fine. So they gave me a gateway with a bunch of dead pixels, but it was pretty small. Then I was with my manager and he was buying his daughter a computer for college. And they weren't super well off. And I went with him because during the day as a comic, right? You're either writing or you're just doing whatever. I'll go with you. And he got a Dell and back then you'd kind of customize your Dell. And he was like, oh, I think, I think she'll like that. I think this will be really good for her. And he was really happy about it and he had it like put in a gift box. And I remember when she opened it up.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  He was so excited and she said, the first thing. Oh, well, it's not small and cute like his. And I've got this gateway with broken pixels. It was a store model. That was all I could afford. The disk drive that we used to have, it didn't even work. And I just remember seeing her dad's face. Like, it's like, you know, when a dog brings you a bird and then doesn't realize that you're disappointed. I even fake it. I'm like, good for you. I was like, wow, it doesn't, it's all, it really does depend on how you were raised. And money amplifies character. It provides clarity. So I don't have that classist mindset because I've met people who were incredibly wealthy, who were unbelievably generous.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  And they didn't have to be. And I've met people who often are left leaning and espouse socialism and equality. Who are clutching, wrenching, covetous old sinners.

• 1:13:32Graham Stephan?

  Have you always been frugal?

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  I wouldn't say I'm frugal.

• 1:13:35Graham Stephan?

  Okay.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  I would say, um, I don't have a lot of value for money personally. Like for me, it's about experience. So if I go out to dinner, it's great. I want to, I want to cover that. You know, when I grew up, I wasn't able to see a lot of my family. I was raised in Montreal. My family was in the United States and I had relatives who I saw maybe once every four or five years because, you know, a plane ticket was expensive. I had a few markers. Whenever I can get my family in and basically there's no geographic, that's a big win. My first big win was if I never have to set foot in a Greyhound bus station again. Then I'll have partially made it. Because I don't know if you've spent, neither one of you have ever spent time in a Greyhound bus station, have you?

• 1:14:14Graham Stephan?

  I have actually. Yeah.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  Then you know, it's not a safe place to be.

• 1:14:18Graham Stephan?

  It was for me. I went to Canada and there's a great Greyhound.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  Okay, alright.

• 1:14:22Graham Stephan?

  Everyone was so friendly.

• 1:14:23Speaker 02

  Maybe in Canada. I'm talking Cleveland.

• 1:14:26Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Uh, I'm talking Detroit, Pittsburgh, Columbus on an overnight where I had a system to make sure that I didn't, you know, get physically. But when I said, alright, I, if I never have to do a Greyhound bus again. Meaning I can afford a flight. That was a big thing for me. When I was able to, you know, fly family in or help, that was a big thing for me. So frugal in the sense that this shirt's not very expensive, this watch isn't, but it keeps time just as well. But I've also paid inordinate sums of money, for example, on healthcare for my dog. Cause I'm able to, you know, able to take him to an oncologist. So, um, or able to help employees. We had employees who were like, ah, I don't know if I'll be able to do this because I need to move. Well, how much would it take for you to stay?

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  So I think there's a difference between frugal and, and just, you know, not being wasteful. And I really, it's funny because I'm truly a free enterpriser, but I really do hate the consumerist culture. So if there are people out there who are conservative, but they're conservative because they think that they're going to find happiness in things. It's or fame, it's just not, it really is not the case. And ask yourself before you ever make a major purchase, hey, is this going to measurably improve your life? And the answer to most things is no. And so if it's no, to me, it's superfluous and I focus on what matters.

• 1:15:46Graham Stephan?

  What else improves your life that money can buy?

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Health.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  You know, access to, to better doctors. You know, or whether it's some people trainers, um, treatments, like being able to go to Mayo. And have the surgery that I had because the best person in the world was able to do it there. That was really helpful, you know, to actually have my heart beat a full stroke for the first time in my life was a big deal. So it is a tool. It's a valuable tool. But in this sort of, you know, Bugatti culture and influencer culture where most of it is fake, that is truly meaningless. It truly is. And I see a lot of young people pursuing that. And, um, yes, I'm a free enterpriser, but I'm a Christian before that. And it's like, do not try and find your happiness or your worth in these earthly things, because it all goes away.

• 1:16:32Graham Stephan?

  How much money is there in politics? Like we've seen some $400 million deals with Rush Limbaugh. Do you think anyone today could get paid $500 million?

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  I don't know, um, if it's possible for the same reason that like top 40 isn't what it used to be. Like you're not going to have a Johnny Carson number. As far as, you know, basically what's modern day Super Bowl is closer to what Johnny Carson would get every night because there were three networks. But you can find people who can do really well. I mean, it's also a matter of scale, right? I mean, look at how successful you guys are and the budget that goes into this and how much.

• 1:17:05Graham Stephan?

  Oh, this is not a budget.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

• 1:17:07Graham Stephan?

  This is Jack and I staying at the Embassy Suites.

• 1:17:11Jack Selby?

  That was the most expensive thing about this entire building thing.

• 1:17:14Graham Stephan?

  Maybe the flights, the flights.

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  Well, it beats Super 8 with bulletproof glass as you check in, but.

• 1:17:19Graham Stephan?

  Oh, we've stayed there too.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Have you? Yeah. Tell the roaches I say hi. I had that in Schaumburg, Illinois. Yeah. So I will say that, uh,

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  probably not, just because media is more fractured.

• 1:17:31Graham Stephan?

  Who do you think is the most valuable?

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  I don't know. I, I, I don't, I mean, probably the person who did, probably Joe Rogan. You know, and even he's probably seen lower, uh, less viewership or listenership just because more people have gotten into the space.

• 1:17:42Jack Selby?

  I mean, Tucker Carlson, his contract, I think it was like $20 million per year, which is pretty insane. I mean, that's like, you know.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's less than a lot of podcasters make.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  It's less than Rogan makes.

• 1:17:54Jack Selby?

  You tell me which podcasts make.

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  People like Rogan, people like the caller daddy, um, or at least it's comparable. You know, there, there are plenty of people out there who, who make a lot. Now it's also different with what I do. It's also quite a bit different because the staff that we have, the budget, what goes into it and interviews and the investigative journalism unit. But people just sitting down with a camera, which is very common in the podcast space. Like you don't need as many employees. So yeah, I think people can do well, but the Rush Limbaugh thing, that really is kind of a generational talent. He took a medium that people thought was dead. He was the only person there. So he was first and he was also best.

• 1:18:27Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  You can be first or you can be best. Every now and then you get someone who's both and he was both.

• 1:18:32Jack Selby?

  So now knowing that you only cracked like the seven figure mark, maybe two or three years ago. I had assumed that you were making a lot more for a long time.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Personally, as far as my income, as far as revenue, yes, well into the, well, yeah, eight figures.

• 1:18:46Jack Selby?

  Then was it difficult because you, you famously declined an offer from the Daily Wire for $50 million over four years? Was it difficult to turn that down?

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's difficult to turn 50 million down. Now, again, that's actually not that, it's actually less than the revenue we make.

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  So as far as total revenue, that was total revenue. That wasn't a contract to me. That was for the 30 plus employees. That was for all of the distribution. That was for all the production that goes into it. That was to take everything and it would be ownership of all platforms, channels, name, image, likeness forever. And including even live performances, which I mean, even in Hollywood, they don't do that. So it was just, it was a no. And, uh, there were a lot of reasons. I don't, I don't want young people to sign that. You shouldn't sign away your name, image and likeness. Like that's not standard in Hollywood. Even though they do unethical things in Hollywood and it shouldn't be standard in this space. You have a contract for the allotted time that you're there.

• 1:19:41Jack Selby?

  Was that the main obstacle within the contract?

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  There were quite a few and there were some personal things behind the scene that were really dirty pool that I, that I won't get into that he knows and I know.

• 1:19:49Jack Selby?

  Who is he?

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  Jeremy Boring. Yeah. That's also kind of a misconception that Ben Shapiro was running it. He, he wasn't. It was, nor was it his money. It was two other guys actually from Texas who, who put the money up for that. In that, if people go back to it, it had a penalty. And the penalty was, for example, for every YouTube, uh, suspension, you're penalized, I don't, it was like 15% or 10%. Not banned, then you were penalized 25% for every Twitter suspension. So two things there, right away that forces right-leaning commentators to play ball according to big tech, who at the time were removing people for questioning election results. Who at the time were removing people for saying, you know what? If you're a young, healthy 20-year-old, maybe the, maybe the mRNA injection doesn't make sense.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  So doing the bidding of big tech de facto was a problem. Also, it was never redlined where the contract 50 million, you would immediately reduce it by 70% because I was suspended from all of those platforms. So I sent it back. I said, like, hey, well, you got to redline this, like, because I'm already suspended. And there's, ah, we just, no. So there are a multitude of reasons, but the real reason is, um, I don't want people to be signed into those types of contracts out there. And I think now people, unfortunately, people have taken that now and they go, I've seen people say, it's a Jew contract, Ben Shapiro. It's like, it has nothing to do with that. It's, people have a way of doing business. In my view, it's unethical to do that. It's not standard. Um, and it was a, it was a no for me. But I wasn't the one who mentioned them first. It was them.

• 1:21:17Graham Stephan?

  Isn't that them just ensuring though, that they make a return on their investment? Like if they're going to supposedly invest, you know, tens of millions of dollars, they just want to make sure that, hey, we're not paying 50 and just, you know, we get 10 back.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  No, they were, they were going to immediately make the money back and they knew it. Just with our subscribers.

• 1:21:34Jack Selby?

  So you think they should have offered more money?

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  No, no, I would, I would have turned down a hundred million. I would have turned down 200 million if it was still the owning name, image, likeness with those penalties. My big issue was the ownership and, um, the penalties on behalf of big tech.

• 1:21:47Jack Selby?

  Who is not corrupt, but just clinically dumb?

• 1:21:50Speaker 02

  I mean, the obvious answer, you talked about AOC. She's an unintelligent person. Kamala Harris. She's an idiot.

• 1:21:57Jack Selby?

  If you were to estimate Kamala's IQ, what would it be?

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  Job.

• 1:22:02Speaker 02

  That's what she got ahead. Willie Brown, you guys know this, right? The mayor.

• 1:22:05Jack Selby?

  Oh yeah, I've heard about.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's no, you spent too much time, you have hinge brain.

• 1:22:10Jack Selby?

  No, no, no, what are you talking about? Cause I, I know exactly what I've heard about.

• 1:22:13Graham Stephan?

  I know nothing. I'm not involved.

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  Oh, stop it.

• 1:22:16Graham Stephan?

  I don't.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Oh, get off your high horse.

• 1:22:18Graham Stephan?

  No, honestly, I've never heard of this before. I'm staying out of it.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  You and your Selma.

• 1:22:22Graham Stephan?

  I just care about.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  70s African-American shirt that only you can pull off for some reason.

• 1:22:26Graham Stephan?

  This was a sponsor. This is Quince.

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  It's very nice. I wish I could pull it off, but I would look like a homosexual. You look very fetching. No, he just, don't, that's your friend. He's, when all this goes away, when all this glamour goes away, this warehouse.

• 1:22:41Jack Selby?

  Well, he has a wife.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  He's going to be the one who's there for you.

• 1:22:43Jack Selby?

  That's why you're able to.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  I got you, man. Kamala Harris got ahead. Willie Brown, you know, she got her, it was like a city commission position, unelected. She fellated him and how do I know? Because when he was asked about it, he was, his answer was basically like, I don't know. I banged a lot of bitches at that time. She was one of them. Her, her cover letter, her resume was.

• 1:23:09Jack Selby?

  Now, I'm not gonna neither agree or disagree because I'm not researched on this topic.

• 1:23:14Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Jack Selby?

  So do your own research, but I did hear about that, obviously, a lot. I personally just don't. I guess I just didn't care enough to like, like.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  What do you guys, you guys think that the OnlyFans top 10 is a Mensa conference? What's, what's happening here?

• 1:23:27Jack Selby?

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:23:28Jack Selby?

  Well, actually, no, we have had on some of the OnlyFans, like, top performers.

• 1:23:31Graham Stephan?

  A few of them are incredibly smart.

• 1:23:34Jack Selby?

  Because at a certain point, it's not just about looks, it's also about how you can market yourself.

• 1:23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:23:37Jack Selby?

  And if they don't have an agency that's representing, and I'm not trying to, you know, say they're geniuses or anything, but I'm not trying to discredit their intelligence. If they did happen to employ very unique marketing strategies.

• 1:23:47Graham Stephan?

  Oh, gosh, yeah. Like, a lot of people thought Jake and Logan Paul were dumb. Like, the idiots.

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:23:53Graham Stephan?

  And they would look at them on YouTube, oh, anyone could do that, but like, you see behind the scenes, they're so calculated, they're so smart, their work ethic is through the roof. And I see that and I'm like, oh, yeah, no, they know what they're doing.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do, I do respect their work ethic, for sure. Kamala Harris, to answer your question, I think, I think she's a fundamentally unintelligent person. Um, and I don't say that about everyone on the left, by the way. A lot of them are very smart. Clintons are very smart. You, you, you have to be smart to get away with people. Joe Biden, obviously, is not very sharp. Barack Obama, I think, was smart. I don't think he was as smart as people made him out to be.

• 1:24:24Graham Stephan?

  What about people on the right who are dumb?

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  I, I feel bad saying these things because some of them, like, Dan Crenshaw is not dumb. But I've never met anyone who, um, it's almost like the self-aware bone, like, God forgot it in his body. So I got flak when I had him on because he was pretty popular at this point. It was after SNL, you know, the Pete Davidson thing, the one-eyed, one-eyed joke, and he went on. And Pete Davidson apologized. But he was on the show and he'd been on a few times and I asked him about the Taps Act, as it relates to control. And he gave me a political answer. I said, so, you know, how does this, how's this different from red flag laws? He said, well, the Taps Act, and he gave this whole double speak. I said, sounds to me a lot like red flag laws. And he just kept talking around and around. And then afterwards, when he ended up getting flak for it,

• 1:25:12Speaker 02

  he would condemn his audience as, as dumb. And that's, I think, that I think is, is not a sign of unintelligence, but lack of wisdom, to insult your audience. It's kind of like, to me, a father getting mad at their toddler. It's like, that's a reflection of you. I don't mean, like, getting upset because they're not listening, but I mean, getting mad at, like, the kid doesn't know how to do something. It's like, whenever my child doesn't know how to do something, I go, oh, my God, I can't believe I didn't teach them this. Oh, wow, they should know about this. And by the way, you'll like this as a financial podcast, since my kids were three, they could answer what compounding interest was. I'd say, what happens if you leave that in the piggy bank? For, it grows the longer I leave it. And what's that called?

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Compounding interest. Now, can I have an M and M? You're like, yes, you can. So, uh, I think there's a real lack of wisdom from some people because they're out of touch. As far as unintelligent on the right, I mean, there are obvious ones, you know, like the Paul Ryans of the world. You know, like, uh, like Tim Pawlenty was one at one point in time. I don't think Mitt Romney is very smart. And I know you can say he's worth a whole lot, but I mean, he started it on base three. So there are definitely people on both the left and the right who are not particularly intelligent. But I, I try to gauge it more by wisdom. It's funny when it's someone who's really dumb. Uh, but that's just so old hat. Like, I don't think George W. Bush was the idiot they tried to make him out to be. I really don't. I think he's actually pretty funny. Like, I mean, remember when he was dodging shoes?

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  And like, he just had nicknames.

• 1:26:41Graham Stephan?

  That is fast.

• 1:26:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was so fast, it was like a cat.

• 1:26:43Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  He dodged and he'd just go around to the room and he'd be like, stretch, uh, longer stretch. He would just have names because that makes it easy to remember. Um, and I don't think Barack Obama was as smart as people say he was.

• 1:26:55Jack Selby?

  What's?

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• 1:27:26Jack Selby?

  An issue that isn't really talked about that you think needs to be discussed more?

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Well, for me, everything is, is downstream from the First Amendment and Second Amendment. Because the First Amendment is how all great ideas take hold, are discussed, are pressure-tested, and the Second Amendment is how they're defended. But that needs to expand a bit more now because we're not just talking about a period of time where people come and take your stuff with, uh, people come and take your stuff with data, right, and they shut you down and they eliminate your voice. So we do need, uh, probably extension of, of, of digital rights on that front. Section 230 was something I was on top of for a long, long time. And by the way, people go, isn't that big government? No, for me, it's just Section 230, for people who don't, I'm sure you guys are familiar, safe harbor laws. And it's less of an issue because you have Rumble and because you have X now.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  But at one point in time, right, YouTube, Google, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, Snap, were all left. If you didn't use the right pronouns, you were, you were removed, you were banned. So it's changed a little bit now, but a lot of these companies, they benefit, for people who don't know, Section 230 as public utilities, meaning if I'm on a cellphone and it's Verizon, and I say, ring, ring, hey, don't we hate blacks or whatever? Verizon can't take me off their service because it's a utility, right? And that also shields them from liability, whatever is done through their services because it's not their doing. Section 230 affords that, those safe harbor laws, to these platforms like YouTube and social media, where they're supposed to be neutral. The problem is when they start editing.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  The problem is when they enforce speech codes where they are acting as a publisher. So The New York Times is liable, or The Washington Post, I mean, we saw that with Nick Sandman, right? The, I think with CNN, they lost hundreds of millions of dollars, allegedly, we don't know the final suit. They can't just go out and flat-out lie. They're held responsible because they're a publisher, right? They're held responsible for it. But when YouTube says, this is allowed and this isn't allowed, and by the way, through an algorithm, we are going to promote certain speech and we're going to create certain guidelines and ban people for speech, but not tell them what it is. To me, it's just either you're a publisher, in which case you can choose to edit comments and speech, or you're a platform, in which case, outside of the parameters of the law, you can't. That needs to be reformed, I think.

• 1:29:38Graham Stephan?

  It's probably just with open source, just open source code, uh, probably open so, I can't say it, open source code with how their algorithms dictate the content, right?

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  Maybe now, but back in the day, there was an actual meeting, like, when I was demonetized and YouTube was co-producing something with Vox, where there was a highlight reel of any, whatever. And the worst thing I said was, was gay Mexican and I called someone a sprite, which, like, and I'm seeing that on CNN, like, a highlight reel.

• 1:30:04Jack Selby?

  What does it mean to be a sprite?

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  It's an old term for fairy, lighting the loafers. Home, uh, someone you'd find on Grindr. And, uh, it was this guy who hosted these Vox videos and he just happened to be gay. And his, his, his, his handle was Gay Wonk, and he identified as queer. And I would say, you know, so we would criticize all Vox videos, all of them, by the way. And also, like, Adam Ruins Everything, or John Oliver, whoever it is. This guy just happened to be the host for Vox. And so, you know, I'd throw in, like, and if you are simply going to support socialism or think that these economies are working, all because some lispy sprite sacheys across your laptop screen, it was things like that. And, uh, they couldn't remove me because it wasn't a violation, but they demonetized me.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  And then they created the third set of guidelines, right, uh, what they call the, uh, borderline content guidelines. So that was the Vox apocalypse and their, their stock took a nosedive as a result because it resulted in demonetizing a bunch of history channels as well. History channels covering the, covering the Stalinist regime. And that's why, isn't it, one thing I will say, because you guys, how long have you been doing this show?

• 1:31:07Jack Selby?

  Seven years.

• 1:31:08Graham Stephan?

  Seven years, I've been on YouTube for 10.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  Okay, so there you go, you guys are some of the, some of the OGs doing it, and now you guys are seeing the fruits of your labor, good for you. Back then, it was cool because we could sort of sidestep media, right? It's like, okay, there's no gatekeeper. But it actually got worse, two reasons. Once traditional media realized, wait a second, we're losing our grip, they dump a whole bunch of money into advertising on YouTube and the algorithms favor a lot of their crap. And then the other thing is, we used to be regulated in legacy media by, like, the FCC. And it was really silly, like, you could say, hey, that guy's a, but you couldn't say his dick. Or you could say, this is bull, but you couldn't say, that bull took a, because it was scatological, right? But you kind of, it was a game of cat and mouse. Like Howard Stern, you know, before he went to satellite, was sort of like, yeah, I'm kind of on the line, I'm kind of not.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  And we thought when we went to new media, that'll go away, but now everyone has become the FCC, where you have comedians who are identifying as bad boys, blanking out words, not even censoring words like, or, or.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  Think of how self censorship, think of how bad it's become. We're just covering a topic, but I don't want my video to be demonetized. So I don't want to say the of the baby was male because some algorithm says it's demonetized. And it's really, really made.

• 1:32:27Graham Stephan?

  For a while, I had to say the conflict in the Middle East instead of saying Iran, or instead of saying Iran war.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:36Graham Stephan?

  The conflict in the Middle East.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:38Graham Stephan?

  Just to get around that because I noticed every time I said Iran war, my video would get half the views.

• 1:32:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:32:43Graham Stephan?

  So stop saying that.

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Well, okay. So you asked me, this goes back to the money question.

• 1:32:46Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  To me, it's worth it to have the bulk of my viewership, right? On Rumble, still be many tens of thousands of people live. I'm very grateful, but it would be higher if we continued growing YouTube, but to be able to say Iran, to be able to say these Jihadi Hajis, to be able to say that, to be able to say, I don't, I don't want to get you in trouble, but whatever it is to be, that's worth millions of dollars to me.

• 1:33:10Graham Stephan?

  But now, don't you think that maybe you could spread your message more effectively? If you kind of toe the line a little more carefully, that you could still get your message across to many tens of millions of more people.

• 1:33:21Jack Selby?

  You can be warmer to those who are still kind of stuck in the middle.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  No, I wouldn't be warmer to those who are stuck in the middle. I don't think those people are offended by the word Iran.

• 1:33:29Jack Selby?

  The other word.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Okay. But the point is, but that's not, but yeah, but now we're moving the goalpost, right? If you can't say Iran, we have a problem. Now, I will say this, I believed what you believed for a very long time, which is why I fought to always keep my stuff on YouTube. Now I still do, but it's clips and I let people know if you want to watch the full show, it's kind of retro where weekdays, 11 a.m. Eastern, we're live without a net. It's TV Guide kind of set viewing. Remember like TV Guide, TiVo, all that stuff? We have a huge live viewership because people want to tune in. They feel like they're a part of something authentic, something that's actually going on, right? That's why we have CNN on the screen so people can see what's going on live, nothing up our sleeve. So I do that there and then we upload clips to YouTube. But for the longest time I was willing to stream to YouTube until I said, and based

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  on your logic, you want to reach the unreached. Yes. But there was a crossover point where I said, I don't want to reach the unreached if I can't reach them with truth. And YouTube made it unfeasible in my particular line, not so much with finance, but politically to reach them with truth. When you can't discuss the attempted rate of trans individuals. I don't know if you know, we were suspended going right. So 2020, biggest election stream of all time. And then 2024 was bigger on Rumbles, like over half a million concurrent live viewers. But in that midterm, uh, we were suspended right before the midterm for two reasons. One, we hosted Carrie Lake, who was running for office in that midterm.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  The other suspension, two strikes, was we quoted the CDC and showed the CDC where we said, so, um, there are more flu deaths in infants and toddlers, just this flu season than all of COVID combined. Now, I've never said that COVID didn't exist. I've never said that people who are older or people who are diabetic are not at increased risk. The point I was making was, wouldn't it be interesting if we could discuss this honestly? That this novel virus, for some reason, obviously targets the old and the infirm, but young people are not at risk in the same way they are the flu. And we had the CDC tables. That was a strike because they said, yeah, it's all correct, but it may cause people to not take COVID as seriously.

• 1:35:40Speaker 02

  That's when I said, okay, who am I reaching people? What am I reaching them with at this point? It gets to the point where it would be so watered down that for me, it was a bridge I wasn't willing to cross. And, and that's why we migrated people to Rumble. And I think that also played a big role, you know, Rumble X. I think people seeing some Exodus and seeing there needed to be alternatives. If we, if I had just played along and everyone else did, I think YouTube would still have a stranglehold on it.

• 1:36:07Graham Stephan?

  How much money have you lost by not being PC?

• 1:36:13Speaker 02

  Well, okay, you could run the numbers. So when we were on YouTube, like we had months that were 60, 80 million plays on YouTube. This is pre-short. Now, zero monetization, none. And that's not including the bits channel. So the main channel has somewhere between five and six, and then bits is between one and two. But whatever the monetization is, you could take that, take that right off the top and then probably take, would we say it's fair to say if I was streaming there, kept building a 35% increased viewership over migrating to Rumble, something like that? So take that and the revenue generated from that. So many, many tens of millions of dollars. I would, I would wager conservatively.

• 1:36:49Jack Selby?

  Yeah, that sounds about tens of millions.

• 1:36:51Speaker 02

  Yep. But it's worth it to me to say, just use your example, Iran. Just to say, hey, you know what? Kids are more at risk of the flu than COVID. We made that decision. We did it during COVID too, when they said shut down, they said, we're doing two a days.

• 1:37:04Graham Stephan?

  What do you think is a policy that is discussed too much that you think is just not a problem whatsoever?

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  Well, I'll tell you one that is discussed a lot and is never going to be fixed is money in politics. People, you have to overturn Citizens United, which a lot of people don't even know what that was. That was an anti Hillary Clinton documentary and the Clintons tried to stop it from being released. And so the court ruled that, well, the people who made this, even though it's a corporation, they're people, they're allowed to express their point of view. So that opened up money in politics, but the left and the right both want money in politics. I mean, the left will say that here in Texas, Talarico, who by the way, Booket is not going to win. He's out spending Paxton right now. I think it's like 35 million to five. So that's one issue that people discuss and they use it as an issue to run on like, and I'm going to get money out of politics. No, you're not.

• 1:37:48Graham Stephan?

  Let me ask you this, for young people in America today, who feel like it's harder to get ahead, how much of that is their own fault versus the government?

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  It's a very good question. And I will tell you, I have two minds about this because the okay boomer thing is really lazy. People just go like, okay, boomer. And it's like, well, hold on a second. And that guy's like, that guy's like 34, he's not a boomer. But there is a valid argument to be made, like if you look at social security and you look at some of the entitlement programs and how we're paying in, but it's very unlikely to pay out to it. But it also doesn't take into account that that generation, you know, they were looking at 12% rates on their mortgages, right? They were looking at 11, 1400 square foot homes. So they also didn't have to compete, like they'll go, you should just be more competitive, kind of, kind of what you just said. But here's the difference. If you take boomers and you take the immigrants that they were dealing with, uh, let's just take some examples like Cuban Americans, okay?

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  And maybe like people defecting from the USSR was very different. They come in Cuban Americans kiss the soil and go, I love you. I want to be American. I'm happy to be here. Open up a restaurant, pay their taxes, vote Republican, vote conservative, by the way, overwhelmingly. That's very different from a young person who goes to school, gets the degree, is really good, the best in his field. And someone comes in and goes, yes, but India is better. So I'm going to do the job and send the money to India. It's a very different competitive environment. One wanted to become a part of the great experiment that is America was grateful. The other is an entitled, but the other thing.

• 1:39:18Graham Stephan?

  What changed?

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  Is financial decisions, young people do need to make better. You know, I've read studies that they're anywhere from four to eight times as likely to use DoorDash. Well, that didn't exist back in the day. I mean, I still eat at home. I still eat breakfast for dinner at least three times a week. A, it's delicious. B, it's cheap. So two things can be true. Boomers are a little bit out of, or older generations are out of touch with some of the difficulties that younger Americans are facing. And younger Americans think that no one else has faced hardships in the way that they have. Now, the matter of policy, two separate things, because a lot of them, I heard Ben Shapiro on your show, I think it was on this show.

• 1:39:51Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:52Jack Selby?

  We've had him on twice.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  It might've been Patrick Bet David's show.

• 1:39:54Graham Stephan?

  We had him on twice.

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  My man, give me a 50% chance. What's the chance of you doing this better?

• 1:39:57Graham Stephan?

  Dude, how are your, your.

• 1:40:00Speaker 02

  Man, that's because I saw an hinge. I saw you're the guy with big biceps, but I'm the guy with bigger biceps. Congratulations, I have a 75% chance of getting a more unhinged.

• 1:40:06Graham Stephan?

  You gotta speak a little slower to do.

• 1:40:08Speaker 02

  No, I'm not going to speak slower because look, I'm a Syrian, I'm Iranian, I'm a Christian, but the thing is I'm 6'4" and I'm sexy.

• 1:40:14Jack Selby?

  Let me tell you a story.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:16Jack Selby?

  Let me tell you something. I knew this guy back in the day.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  I knew this guy. He was the guy, man.

• 1:40:21Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, so it might've been on this show where he said, well, the technology that you have, right? Your phone, you have more computing power than NASA. That's true. You do have a lot of conveniences. What we have seen change is consumer goods, so TVs, phones, things like that, access to groceries. That's become significantly less expensive for young Americans. So that is true, the libertarian argument, right? Where there's competition. The flip side of that is staples that are very important. Housing, school, healthcare has become much more expensive. I think, would we agree on that kind of fundamental premise?

• 1:40:58Graham Stephan?

  Yes.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  Okay. So then you have to ask why? Well, of those phones, TV, power, internet cable, okay? Versus schooling, housing, which one do you think has allowed a free market approach to take place more? Of course, consumer goods, there's more competition. Schooling, you can directly attribute it to the federal government and all of these grants and these scholarships, right? Because if you don't overcharge for education right now, basically forcing someone to take out, you're leaving money on the table because Uncle Sam makes that up. So the policy has screwed education costs and they are out of control. Housing, well, what do you think happens when you allow institutional investors to come in and buy up all the single family housing units now?

• 1:41:42Speaker 02

  Like in an area, Atlanta, I think it's close to 25%. That screws young people out of buying a house.

• 1:41:48Graham Stephan?

  Well, because I'll push back on that one. Okay. Because corporations purchase so few houses out there. I did a whole segment on this, that it was like half a percent of the entire rental market were these mega corporations.

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  Well, rental is not the same thing. Rent, rent prices have come down because that's a volume game. They've created more and that's actually like Austin, for all the hobo piss, is a great example of rent actually coming down. We're talking about people buying a first time home. Now, it is also residentially dependent. So let's say like, like Atlanta, Georgia is a really bad one. I think.

• 1:42:22Graham Stephan?

  Atlanta is one of the higher ones.

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  It's like 25%. That affects the market. That blocks people out.

• 1:42:27Graham Stephan?

  But outside of that, yeah, the housing prices are really just a lot of people locked in at 3% and they're not selling and they can't afford to buy anything else. And you have so few inventory, first time buyers right now because of that, getting screwed, no one's building.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  People are in golden handcuffs where they can't buy something else. Right? Now that again goes back to, this is one of the reasons, I can tell you the reason that I'm conservative. I can tell you the three things that made me pretty conservative, but one of them later on in life was the term predatory lending. Remember that movie, The Big Short? And you watch it, it's a great film, but none of it makes sense when you go, oh, wait a second. So this goes to the housing. So they were bundling subprime and okay.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  But why would these businesses give out mortgages, give out home loans to people who they know couldn't pay it back? Let me ask you this, let's just walk through this logically, like, like we're all five. How do banks make money when they lend you, when you take a loan?

• 1:43:19Graham Stephan?

  They sell their loan.

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  Well, they don't, before, let's go really traditional.

• 1:43:22Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  They, you borrow money from a bank.

• 1:43:24Jack Selby?

  Yeah, they borrowed at a cheaper rate.

• 1:43:25Speaker 02

  You pay them back with interest, right?

• 1:43:27Graham Stephan?

  Correct.

• 1:43:27Speaker 02

  You pay them back more over time.

• 1:43:29Graham Stephan?

  Sure.

• 1:43:29Speaker 02

  Right, so you get the loan now, okay. So, let's apply that logic, why would the bank, in a predatory way, lend to someone who cannot pay it back?

• 1:43:39Graham Stephan?

  Well, I mean, my answer would be because they sell the loan before the loan comes due, so they're not the one.

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  That's partially, also, it was required of them, when you look at, right, you had Dodd-Frank, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac.

• 1:43:49Graham Stephan?

  Sure.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  And they said, you have to, this is the name of equity, justice, right? So you have to give these people homes with no money down.

• 1:43:54Graham Stephan?

  Required.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  And 2%, oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:57Graham Stephan?

  No, no, it was, it was.

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  Banks were being leaned on.

• 1:43:59Graham Stephan?

  Fannie and Freddie basically said, if you give us these loan terms, we will guarantee that there's a marketplace to buy those loans.

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:06Graham Stephan?

  And so as long as you just fit this box.

• 1:44:07Speaker 02

  Otherwise wouldn't be.

• 1:44:08Graham Stephan?

  Correct.

• 1:44:09Speaker 02

  Well, there otherwise wouldn't be if Uncle Sam didn't come in and say, hey, by the way, none of this makes economic sense, but we'll foot the bill. So it became a free for all.

• 1:44:15Graham Stephan?

  It didn't force banks that they had to lend, it was just banks could lend because they could sell the loan.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  Well, there's column A, and there's column B, there also was pressure to give to first time home buyers, minority home buyers, those who are more at risk, those who are less likely to get first homes, right? Where they would get better rates, like, almost no money down.

• 1:44:32Graham Stephan?

  But that was only because they could sell them. All banks knew is that, hey, if I get this loan, I sell it really quick.

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  All right, I did, that's not all they knew, but let's take, let's take yours as the majority for granted, okay? There's no world in which that occurs without a meddling government. The bank goes, can you afford 20% down? Here's your rate. Now, what happened when the people who put no money down and had a 2% rate? What happened when they didn't pay, and it should have been foreclosed upon? They were allowed to stay in those homes for much, much, much longer. Now, usually, the market would correct itself, they'd be out, someone else who can put the money down would be in. The point that I'm making is, and there are, yes, there are a multitude of factors, I'm distilling it for time.

• 1:45:10Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, sure, sure.

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  Either way, I think we both agree that wouldn't happen without Uncle Sam coming in, banks wouldn't lend that money to people who can't pay it back. Just like schools could not charge something that by definition is unaffordable unless there were scholarships and Pell Grants. So you look at that, you look at, okay, mortgages, or sorry, homes, you look at school, you look at healthcare. Anyone want to say that healthcare hasn't included overly encroaching government?

• 1:45:34Graham Stephan?

  That one has been horrible. I now pay $900 a month.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:45:39Graham Stephan?

  For the plan, it's the basic plan, it just covers catastrophic.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  Even though now there's a public option.

• 1:45:44Graham Stephan?

  What is that, just self-funded?

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  That's Obamacare, right? It's a public option that's subsidized basically for people who don't have money, where they go on the market, it's usually terrible, by the way. They want it to be fully public, but the point is, these are not industries where competition has thrived. These are industries that have been almost entirely controlled and manipulated to the federal government, and they are the ones that have absolutely destroyed the quality of life and increased the cost of living for young Americans. It's not the fact that they can get a Cricket phone for four bucks, it's not the fact that they can get a Westinghouse TV, you know, for $50 that would have once upon a time cost $1,500. It's homes, it's education, it's, uh, it's healthcare, and these are industries where you have had overly meddling government in trying to solve the problem, their solution is they'll make it better. They've only made it worse.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  So the reason I say this is to, there's a disconnect where boomers go, well, I didn't have a smartphone and I, that's true. And the fact that you have access to, right, those phones in front of you, more information than ever in the history of humanity, right? And we have the first generation that is fatter, sicker, and dumber than those before them? That's indicative of bad choices, and young people could probably make better choices. But the cost of living is a legitimate concern, and conservatives and Republicans would do well to listen to that and not just say, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, because the deck is stacked against them a little bit as far as homes and as far as education.

• 1:47:04Graham Stephan?

  So where do you see this going? Because with everything that you just said.

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:08Graham Stephan?

  My only logical conclusion to this is probably they gotta raise taxes.

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:47:15Graham Stephan?

  That, that's probably where it's going, is they gotta raise taxes, or they have to find a way to bring down costs substantially by penalizing a certain group.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:25Graham Stephan?

  Probably the wealthy, just to bring down prices enough so everyone else feels like they have a chance.

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  Well, also, by the way, that compounds this is, is, I will add, uh, you know, anywhere from low end 20 to 60 million, high end legitimate is 40 million illegal aliens. That adds a lot too, especially when they can get social safety net benefits. So, this is one thing where this administration, far from perfect, uh, has done a lot. They've made great strides, when you look at their ban on institutional investors buying up single-family housing units.

• 1:47:54Graham Stephan?

  That's gotta be performative, though.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  Well, when you look at, uh, people who are here on certain visas not actually getting those preferential, uh, home loans, because people are coming in, using them, buying up houses, having multiple properties. When you look at education, where the government is no longer basically going to offer loans for useless gender studies degrees, right? That cuts the head off of the beast. And when you look at deportations and stopping the mass importation of third world labor, often people who are off the books, who don't pay taxes, and cost the taxpayer anywhere from $100 billion to $400-plus billion a year. That multi-pronged approach, and no one has done more on solving the immigration crisis than this administration. Is it perfect? No, but when people say, this is betrayal, I go, wait a second.

• 1:48:40Speaker 02

  Did you vote for perfect, or did you vote for more than ever? Cause July, there were more ICE arrests than ever. H1Bs, Donald Trump said $100,000 a year fee. So based on what you guys just said, right, this would be fair, hey, you need, compete, be more qualified. So, the idea, the premise has been with H1Bs, we're bringing the best and the brightest, right? Brain drain. Well, if that's the case, it's a $500,000 a year CEO, $100,000 fee shouldn't mean all that much. It's not, we saw a reduction by 87% of new applications from overseas, meaning outside the US, H1Bs. Court struck it down, Democrat judge said, you can't do that. So they did a workaround, where now it applies to all new H1Bs. That's significant for Americans, banning, is it any one thing? No, but it's all of these collectively.

• 1:49:23Graham Stephan?

  What then stops the company just from hiring overseas? They don't need someone necessarily here, why don't they just hire overseas then? Hey, by the way, really quick, if you want extra content just like this, as well as early access, and a bonus post-show posted every single week, feel free to join as a channel member to get immediate access to all of that, as well as early access to everything else that we post, along with priority responses to all of your comments. So if that sounds cool, feel free to join, would love to have you on board, thanks so much, we'll get back to the podcast now.

• 1:49:53Speaker 02

  Please collectively.

• 1:49:53Graham Stephan?

  What then stops the company just from hiring overseas? They don't need someone necessarily here, why don't they just hire overseas then?

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  You mean, why don't they just offshore all their work? Well, sometimes they will, and sometimes there are ways that that makes sense, but that's not what was taking place. What was taking place, and to the tune of many, many millions of people and billions of dollars, were people being imported here, sending their remittances out of this country, who were not any more qualified than Americans, taking the jobs and doing it for less. And if they want to offshore, there are some areas, by the way, where offshoring makes sense. So, for example, if, like, we had a steel shortage, I believe, at one point in time, where, you know, you're not gonna overnight Pittsburgh, turn it back on, uh, you might need to get it from, I think, Eastern European countries, not just China did a lot of steel, like Latvia, Lithuania, whatever those places. That makes sense, because then you can keep the American, let's say, furniture or warehouse manufacturer, you can keep them in business.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  It doesn't make sense to bring people in to do jobs that American have done everything right to earn, simply for cheaper, so that someone can squeeze out more profit for shareholders. That's what I think, it's not late-stage capitalism, it's early-stage socialism, where we have loss, and I say this as a free enterpriser, I say this as a conservative. But a shopkeeper selling something to somebody, right? There's, there's an unwritten contract of, this is going to give you enough value that you will be willing to pay it and hopefully come back. The problem is, you'll see a lot of these vultures, these vulture companies come in and just go, you know what, we'll take a loss on this one, and it'll become a part of a portfolio, even though it's a product that actually mattered to people. Right, we've lost this sense of actually serving the consumer, that's a big problem.

• 1:51:27Speaker 02

  But going back to the cost of living, both have a case, and I feel like they're talking past each other. Technology has improved people's quality of life, for sure, with luxury items and conveniences. And by the way, items that also, I mean, you talk about healthcare, like individually, a Fitbit, right? Individually, something, uh, OraRing that you were talking about, which I threw mine in the trash, because I don't need something to tell me I'm dying every morning. But housing, education, and all of that is, and of course, healthcare, all of that is exacerbated by immigration. It, it takes addressing that, and the first thing to do was address the inflow of immigration, and that stopped by 94%.

• 1:52:03Graham Stephan?

  What about for the average person, though? What could they do to better their lives? Assuming that they're not gonna, you know, change the whole United States, they're just a, a guy sitting in a bedroom, it's like, what do I do today?

• 1:52:14Speaker 02

  Spend less than you make, go to a trade school, if you don't know what you want to do, go to a community college, make some sacrifices now, live further outside of town, get a smaller home or find really inexpensive rent. Do that for a while, save up, and then use the opportunity, when it avails itself. It doesn't mean it's gonna solve the problem, because they've gotten some, they've gotten some tough breaks, but that's what individuals can do to improve their lives.

• 1:52:35Jack Selby?

  I will say, community college is extremely underrated, I went and I think the first semester of my community college was like $7, because there was like a program with my, like, local high school and the local community college, got super cheap. The education is horrible, but you know.

• 1:52:49Graham Stephan?

  Skip college?

• 1:52:50Jack Selby?

  Yeah, skip college if you can, like, but like, also, all of your, your prerequisites anyways, you're not gonna really learn anything, it's not gonna teach you anything, whether you do it at a community college, or whether you do it at Stanford, sorry, Stanford.

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  Those seven bucks, I will say, I would look into that, it sounds like your community college was not accredited.

• 1:53:05Jack Selby?

  Well, it got me into UCSB.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  Okay, well, good, so you're like a phoenix.

• 1:53:09Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  You rose from the community college ashes.

• 1:53:11Jack Selby?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, they had a tag program, California tag program, go from community college to UC school.

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:53:17Jack Selby?

  But horrible education, I will say.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  Well, you seem sharp enough.

• 1:53:20Jack Selby?

  All right, thank you.

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  Put that on your hinge.

• 1:53:23Jack Selby?

  That you called me sharp enough?

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, put that, your hinge should just be me like.

• 1:53:26Jack Selby?

  If there's anything that could get me zero matches, that might be.

• 1:53:30Graham Stephan?

  For men, for men it would.

• 1:53:31Speaker 02

  Have it like Dennis Nedry, ah, ah, ah, you forgot to say the magic word, he's sharp enough, ah, ah, ah, he's sharp enough.

• 1:53:37Jack Selby?

  You guys should match with him, yeah, I, I think that, that would not help my cause. Why do celebrities like Billie Eilish, or just all the other people, the A-listers, the S-listers, like, why do they take such strong political stances? Is that, is that Hollywood as an entity, like, pushing a certain agenda through those people? Or is it like something else? Like, they're just, they're just very passionate, they feel like they, like, some sort of karmic debt that they need to pay back?

• 1:54:01Speaker 02

  That's actually very insightful, and you're partially right, a couple of things, first off, many of them are very stupid. And I mean that. Many of them are fundamentally unintelligent people. When you look at the entertainment industry, a lot of people, basically, they're successful because of a gift God gave them. They look good on camera, right? They're attractive, think modeling, a lot of talent. When you're talking about creative arts is not always work ethic based. Sometimes it is. So many of them are fundamentally unintelligent or insulated. They're out of touch. Then you look at the entertainment industry. For the longest time, it was only a net benefit to come out as a leftist. You were persona non grata. There was an actual blacklist. If you were a conservative, that was a real thing. It's been well documented, but it would help your career if you came out and you endorsed a Democrat candidate, right? It was absolutely group think. I mean, I remember this clear as day. This is one of the things that made me conservative.

• 1:54:46Speaker 02

  I was watching Oprah in Canada and it was Cameron Diaz. I want to say Jake Gyllenhaal, someone will be able to go pull this on YouTube and P Diddy. Back then, I think he was still Puff Daddy. I don't know if it was Puff Daddy, Puffy, whatever. And it was vote or die, vote or die. And he did a video, he's like, man, what's Sarah Palin gonna do about South Korea? It's like you Mongoloid, South Korea, like, but people just go, go vote it. I want everyone to vote. And Cameron Diaz said, if you don't vote, guys, it's like saying you want legal. This was on Oprah. At that point-

• 1:55:13Jack Selby?

  She said that?

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  She said that. She said that. I'm really close. That's a quote verbatim. Someone can go fact check it. She said, it's like saying you want to be legal. And then I went, oh my gosh, I don't want these people voting. I don't want them voting at all because then representatives are going to represent them. I want people voting who proactively want to vote, but this was a whole campaign. It was only, you think they're going out there because they really believe in this? No, they're functionally, but it was helpful to their career. On the flip side, any person who came out and would endorse or support a conservative, boom, persona non grata. So that's what it is.

• 1:55:49Jack Selby?

  But then you have other people that seem to take it one step further where they're constantly pushing some sort of political agenda, even though it has nothing to do with their actual professional career in Hollywood. And I'm curious for those, do you think that it's the same thing? Like they're continually to get like the spoils of being-

• 1:56:04Speaker 02

  It's the combination of, of being unintelligent, of the incentive and godlessness.

• 1:56:09Graham Stephan?

  You know what it is? It's the equivalent of the blowjob.

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• 1:57:11Jack Selby?

  What are we talking about here?

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  Well, anytime he says that, I'm all ears.

• 1:57:14Jack Selby?

  Go ahead. Expand on that. Expand.

• 1:57:17Graham Stephan?

  Basically moving yourself up on the career ladder.

• 1:57:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:57:21Jack Selby?

  With the quick and dirty.

• 1:57:21Graham Stephan?

  With the quick and dirty is just, hey, let's, uh, you know, say this, this thing.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:26Graham Stephan?

  I'm gonna say it's the same thing as like the job.

• 1:57:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, exactly right. It helps. It only helps your career. And, and then it's the same reason where you look at like, how are these actors so wealthy? But they're like basically socialists. Tell you where you don't see that. You don't see that with people who built up a business. A lot of actors, a lot of these artists, they go from nothing to boom, you have tens of millions of dollars. They didn't actually have to sign the fronts of checks. They didn't have to build a business. And so they often have this guilt where they assume everyone was as lucky as they were. It's not the same as a guy who, you know, I don't know, opens up a bunch of Jack in the Box, you know, franchises or rents manufacturing equipment. He knows the work that went into it. Someone like Cameron Diaz didn't do that. And so she has a bunch of money. She feels guilty about it. She's dumb and she wants to advance her career. Next question.

• 1:58:07Jack Selby?

  If you could answer in one sentence, why do you think people care about what celebrities' political opinions are? What would it be?

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Because everything is downstream from culture. And so that's our biggest export in the United States. It's not iron ore. It's not oil. It's pop culture.

• 1:58:22Jack Selby?

  What would you say to the individuals that have their political beliefs determined by celebrities? If they're listening right now?

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  I'd say they're probably a girl.

• 1:58:33Jack Selby?

  See, this is exactly-

• 1:58:34Speaker 02

  I'm serious.

• 1:58:34Jack Selby?

  No, but I, how am I gonna get a wife, man?

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:58:36Jack Selby?

  Like, when I-

• 1:58:37Speaker 02

  When I say this?

• 1:58:38Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  He doesn't support me, by the way. He said I'm a total- He said I'm a total, he doesn't agree with me whatsoever, but I would say they're probably a girl. I mean, think about Eat, Pray, Love. You have people who went to India because they thought it was a spiritual experience until they saw half and half the country crapping in the streets. Right? And they all came back with violent diarrhea. Like, it's really spiritual.

• 1:58:55Jack Selby?

  Have you been to India?

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  I have not and I will not. My brother has.

• 1:58:58Jack Selby?

  That could be a unique experience for you because you've consistently brought up India and obviously I've also-

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  I hate it.

• 1:59:04Jack Selby?

  But you've never been there.

• 1:59:05Speaker 02

  Not all Indians, I just hate the, I hate the caste system. I hate the godless void. I hate, uh, I hate Jagad, the idea that using the system is actually virtuous. If you're able to use loopholes and get away with it.

• 1:59:16Jack Selby?

  What would it take for you to go to India? Is there, is there something someone could ever say?

• 1:59:20Speaker 02

  It would take this continent getting nuked.

• 1:59:22Jack Selby?

  Could I pay you $3 million to go on a vacation to India?

• 1:59:27Speaker 02

  You will see me in the very next Bollywood film. So long as it is, so long as it's like a one week stay and you send me with a good supply of water and wet wipes.

• 1:59:35Jack Selby?

  Okay. So Indians out there, if you have money and you're watching this right now and you want to open up Steven Crowder's mind to India, all it takes is three, would you do two?

• 1:59:45Speaker 02

  Now you're changing the deal.

• 1:59:46Jack Selby?

  Okay.

• 1:59:47Speaker 02

  That's very Indian of you. You're negotiating after they're like, I don't know. 3 million, I don't know. Two or three, it's the same.

• 1:59:53Jack Selby?

  I'm Jewish. So, you know, it's the same kind of, cut from the same cloth, but-

• 1:59:57Speaker 02

  You're a tall Jew.

• 1:59:58Jack Selby?

  Oh, stop it. Thank you. Uh, so anyways, $3 million, that's all it takes to-

• 2:00:03Graham Stephan?

  Before tax.

• 2:00:03Jack Selby?

  Steven Crowder to India.

• 2:00:04Graham Stephan?

  Before tax, to be clear.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, no, I probably wouldn't. If you actually did it, there was a GoFundMe, I would do it like as a series because it would be probably, I would be miserable.

• 2:00:13Jack Selby?

  That would be the most viral content that I think-

• 2:00:16Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, I think it's actually worth it.

• 2:00:17Jack Selby?

  To see you go to an Indian beach would be, I would love that.

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  I, I think people don't understand this too. With, with the Indian, and have you ever done business? You ever done business with Indians?

• 2:00:29Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:29Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:30Speaker 02

  So in, what happens often is, is part of their thing is they will negotiate after a contract is done. Not all, but I have had many businesses here because there've been many in the North Texas area where they've actually had to take certain precautions. Cause you will build a house and then they try and haggle after and say that something isn't right. Here's the reason why though. Virtually all of the world's credit card scams, all of them come from that area of the world. How does that happen? It's a mathematical impossibility unless there's a spiritual rot. Not all Indians, I'm talking about the foundational worldview with Hinduism and with that belief, you are in heaven or hell, right? It's karma. Well, what do you think that says to someone who's gotten by behaving horribly and screwing everyone else? But they've actually lined their pockets like, well, if this is hell, sign me up.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  This is as bad as it gets. It's not the same as ultimately you will be judged by the final creator and accountable and answerable to him for your deeds and for your life. Not how do you feel about it? It's you're gonna burn for it. And that's why we look like America and that place looks like India.

• 2:01:28Graham Stephan?

  I've just had nothing but amazing experiences working with people from India. Like, but so it's hard for me to say anything negative because my perception, what's up?

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  There are plenty of great Indians. I'm not saying, I'm talking about the country, the worldview and its effect on the world. That's what I'm talking about. Not every single individual Indian. I'm sure if there's, you know, a few Indians out here in an apartment complex and they're going to a church, they want to take a dip. I have no problem with that.

• 2:01:51Graham Stephan?

  I think you gotta go to India.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:01:53Graham Stephan?

  I think it's the only way to settle.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  3 million and it become an episodic.

• 2:01:57Graham Stephan?

  I think you should do it.

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  A grumpy old man abroad in his 30s.

• 2:01:59Graham Stephan?

  I would love to see you just traveling the world, having dinner with different cultures and just you filming it. And you could kind of, you know, debate a little bit and make a few jokes and a few impressions.

• 2:02:09Jack Selby?

  What would it take for you to do this?

• 2:02:10Speaker 02

  In Japan, eating a frog while it's smiling at me, still alive. Yeah. Make it more tasty. Uh, just weird. And I would like to go to Japan.

• 2:02:18Graham Stephan?

  Have you been to Japan?

• 2:02:19Speaker 02

  No, I haven't been to Japan.

• 2:02:20Graham Stephan?

  It is incorrect.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I know. Yeah. I, I want to go to Japan. I would like to go to Japan.

• 2:02:25Graham Stephan?

  Every, everything about it, I remember visiting and just thinking, this place is perfect.

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  It's so racist.

• 2:02:30Graham Stephan?

  Perfect. Oh yeah. We were openly discriminated against multiple times going into bars where they say, oh, yeah.

• 2:02:35Jack Selby?

  Oh yeah. They kicked me out because I'm white.

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 2:02:37Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. And it's just, but, but part of me is like, you know, it's their business. It's, you know, whatever they want and I'm fine with it.

• 2:02:45Speaker 02

  Like here, we're talking about, let's, let's round it, call it 40 million illegal aliens. People are like, we need a lot more. In Japan, it got to 3%. They were like, this is a problem. No more. And they just like, we're done with immigration. Have you seen how they just deport those people? So there's a guy named, I'm a big mixed martial arts fan. There's a guy named Bob Sapp, known as the Beast. He was in the longest yard, big black guy. Just, he's like 360 pound with a six pack, just ripped. And, uh, he was a fighter in Japan. It was such a novelty for a big black guy. They just had him on a billboard, like a commercial with him eating bananas, like, look a big black man eating banana like a gorilla. And no one had a problem with it. And he was like, man, they don't hate me. They're just okay with these stereotypes. So when people say that, yes, it's an entirely homogenous culture.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  They set a hard limit on immigration and Japan is for the Japanese. I just think it should be okay when America does it.

• 2:03:34Graham Stephan?

  But their economy is not doing the best, right?

• 2:03:36Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 2:03:36Graham Stephan?

  I mean, so they've been in a decline. So couldn't that also say that like-

• 2:03:40Speaker 02

  Make that happen.

• 2:03:41Graham Stephan?

  Couldn't that, we also just say like, hey, maybe their system's not working. Like long-term, they gotta make a pretty substantial change.

• 2:03:48Speaker 02

  We have a real birth rate problem.

• 2:03:49Graham Stephan?

  Yes. So they have to open up, I think for immigration, incentivize a lot of tourism. Otherwise they're just gonna slowly dwindle away.

• 2:03:58Speaker 02

  I don't want to be out of my depth here because Lane, the brain is over there. Like he studied in Asia and he has like, he, only Asian women will do. So he knows everything about Japan. So if I say something that's incorrect, he's going to be fuming at me in the car on the way back. But, uh, yeah, they probably need to make some changes. I don't think that opening it to a bunch of third worlders, uh, is, is going to be the solution. But they do have a birth rate problem. They do have a work, life balance problem.

• 2:04:21Jack Selby?

  No.

• 2:04:21Speaker 02

  A big part of it is they don't really value life to the same way that we do here. I mean, it sort of extends from that Samurai spirit where it was more important to the collective where your life wasn't as valuable. And then you apply that in the workspace. You apply that sometimes, uh, in the family space. I mean, that's why they have forest, which I, one day, this was awful. It was by myself watching a documentary in the forest. And I was not in a good headspace when I did this. And then I'm like, why am I watching this documentary in the forest? And there's this guy who goes around this forest, trying to stop people all, it's not graphic or anything.

• 2:04:51Graham Stephan?

  Okay.

• 2:04:52Speaker 02

  But he just goes in, there's like, there's a guy in a tent. And he's like talking to the camera like you two, like I think this guy's gonna kill himself. And he just goes up to the tent and his whole effort is he's like, oh, how are you? The guy's like, not good, you know, in the tent. He's like, I think of your family. He's like, I will? Okay. And he walks away. He's like, so hopefully he don't kill himself. And I'm like, this is all they do because they're still respectful of your choice.

• 2:05:16Jack Selby?

  Correct.

• 2:05:17Speaker 02

  So it's a deeply respectful culture that is so foreign to us, it might as well be another planet. But I certainly would rather go to Japan than India.

• 2:05:26Jack Selby?

  How much of the Steven Crowder that appears on camera is actually Steven Crowder?

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  The same guy just turned up to an 11.

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  I mean, there, there'll be some misconceptions too. Like, the thing is, if you've ever worked, like been in a comedy gym, the people who I'm closest with are the people I give the hardest time and vice versa. Like, if you were to read private texts between my best, so my best friends are my friend Johnny Boy, who works for me. I've known him since I was 12, Gerald for 20 years, my dad. We've always just been really close. He's one of the funniest guys I know, still same best friends. And the retention rate that we have at our company, we have people who've been there for 11 years, seven years. So the misconceptions actually come from, you know, disgruntled employees, people who, you know, were either, in some cases, addicts, fired with cause. What people don't hear about is the wonderful culture, which is honestly what I'm most proud of at the, the company because I get to go in and be around people who are fantastic.

• 2:06:19Speaker 02

  But that means that the stuff we do and say to each other as a comedy outlet would probably be shocking. With people who are coming in, you know, if you guys go and visit the studio, we'll be incredibly polite because otherwise, you know, you'd probably run out and rightfully so.

• 2:06:36Jack Selby?

  What do people get most wrong about you?

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  That I seek conflict. I'm actually pretty shy, conflict avoidant in my private life.

• 2:06:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just thought someone would, would need to do it, but I'm, you know, it also lends itself to what's a correct perception of me being recluse. It's not because I'm antisocial. I love people. I just, when I'm not working, my, my time is reserved for the people, you know, who really matter. So that's why you don't see me a lot of functions and networking.

• 2:07:06Jack Selby?

  And what's a fair criticism of yourself?

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  A fair criticism would definitely be like everyone in my life and like telling me to relax, be a little less intense. I was sent to a high school guidance counselor, not because I was a problem child, not because I never touched a, never touched a sip of alcohol, never slept with anybody in high school.

• 2:07:27Speaker 02

  But they sent me because they were like, he's just like a grumpy old man. He's just like a, and he's like 15. And I went there and they said, why are you so tightly wound? But I had an answer. I said, why am I so tightly wound? I don't know, maybe because I don't see the sun for six months out of the year. When I get out of here and get in the 225 bus, it's already dark and I come back in the next day, do it all over again for something that doesn't seem like it's going to apply. Oh, wait, I've got four hours of homework when I go home. It's going to go on my permanent record and a government test here in Quebec that 75% of us are going to fail. And I'm not good at anything. I don't know what I'm going to do for the rest of my life. And that's how I found jujitsu. They put me in the high school grappling clubs, it was kids who had no dads, right? Next stop juvie and me. And it was just because they thought I was too stressed out.

• 2:08:10Jack Selby?

  Do you think you're difficult to work with?

• 2:08:12Speaker 02

  To outsiders, yes. To people within the company, no. To people within the company, actually people like Molly and Lane, they're the ones going, hey, we're not going to let you come in today. Just take the day off. But to people outside of the company, and I don't even necessarily know that would be difficult. It's just, we're not necessarily in the same line of work.

• 2:08:30Jack Selby?

  Is it possible for someone to date someone with different political beliefs than they have?

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  Depends on how you're framing it. If you mean to have a casual relationship, sure. I mean, you could be with a fat chick and do that. If you're talking about meaningful relationship, no. No. How can you raise your kids?

• 2:08:49Jack Selby?

  Where do you draw the line?

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  I'm talking about someone who's going to be your wife, you know, your long-term partner. No, I mean, you have like James Carville, who I guess is an exception, but that's because to him, like, politics is a game and he's one of the best at it. But, uh, no, I don't think so. And I, I mean, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I wouldn't set my life up with someone who doesn't share the values because it's not about your individual values. It's what do you, what do you imbue to those, into those kids?

• 2:09:14Jack Selby?

  Has your view of compatibility changed as you've gotten older?

• 2:09:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:09:19Jack Selby?

  How so?

• 2:09:20Speaker 02

  I certainly believe more in traditional roles, that men and women are fundamentally different. I always believed that, but this interchangeability that we've applied to society at large has been corrosive and I don't think it's very good. I think that, uh, you know, it's a biblical definition that the man is the head of the household is to love his wife, as Christ loved the church. But she is to submit to him in all things. I think that single income households with a mom taking care of the children as opposed to paying a caretaker. And I understand there are exceptions and not everybody does this. But that's the ideal and it's a society we need to strive for the ideal situation for rearing children. And it's not two parents out of the house and the kids in daycare and then being raised by a nanny.

• 2:10:04Jack Selby?

  Another thing is that you've also gone through a very public divorce. Now, I, I think that just to do right by our viewers, I think I need to ask, like, what do you think people got right? And what do you think people got wrong about that situation?

• 2:10:18Speaker 02

  Well, I'm, I'm not going to talk about that because that's the mother of my children. And, um, I've never, uh, addressed it beyond acknowledging that it was happening publicly or defended myself.

• 2:10:31Speaker 02

  But I want their, I, I want those kids to respect their mother and their father. It was a very rude awakening though, to be one of the few people who, as a matter of record, in court under oath, never cheated, never. And to see the kind of PR campaign that a judge ruled was allowed to continue as an extortion suit, uh, which I dropped. There were some people out there who did some due diligence and kind of actually pulled what happened in court. Uh, I never addressed it, but to them, I'm forever grateful because there's, there's the, the court of public opinion and there's the court of what actually happened. And it takes, it takes multiple parties to make something like that fail. But beyond that, I want those kids to, to be obedient and to love both parents.

• 2:11:12Jack Selby?

  So what happened there specifically between like the court of public opinion and what actually happened in court? What was the resolution between that?

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  Well, there was no resolution. You just have people believe things that aren't so.

• 2:11:23Speaker 02

  It says a matter of record, uh, in court, never cheated, never.

• 2:11:28Speaker 02

  But you have people who believe that, you know, it's like a Lifetime movie and someone was being pushed down a flight of stairs. So, yeah, um, maybe someday, but, uh, what's most important is, is that those kids love both their mom and their dad. And neither one is perfect, uh, but only one really voiced a lot on that publicly. And it wasn't myself and I'd rather keep it that way.

• 2:11:48Jack Selby?

  Did you learn anything going through something like that about relationships or about life, about yourself? Some very valuable lesson going through such an intense and life-changing experience?

• 2:11:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:59Jack Selby?

  That I guess could, you know, you can share for someone to learn.

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  Uh, I definitely learned a lot about the, about the system and how it exists. And so, uh, not losing, you know, giving up primary custody to another party, that's very rare for a man. I'm very grateful for that. But knowing how 90% go one way and, and, and seeing other fathers out there who may be flawed. Like you see this with Lindsay Clancy right now, people saying, well, I think, and it took me a while where I had to really search, there's no evidence that this guy ever cheated. There's no evidence that this guy ever did anything wrong. As a matter of fact, he took paternity leave. Uh, he actually worked from home so that he could be more present. He got her a nanny. He would go pick up prescriptions. The day that she planned to her children, he was picking up prescriptions and bringing home food. And people still go, he didn't do enough.

• 2:12:45Speaker 02

  I think the husband did it on no basis other than we don't want this woman who her children to be accountable. And this may be uncomfortable for people, but I have talked about this one quite a bit. And I think it's been a wake-up call where people go, has this large of a percentage of Western women always been this crazy? Like there was that Court TV poll with a lot and 60 something percent said she was not guilty. I mean, Candace said that she was absolutely not guilty. I'm not even willing to entertain the discussion of postpartum, insert whatever here pharmaceutical companies, the husband? Because I can't get out of kid number two. That's all I think about. I didn't sleep for nights.

• 2:13:31Speaker 02

  We want to talk about how she felt and how maybe he picked up Chinese food when he should have picked up Domino's. Imagine being kid number two, I think it was a five, a three-year-old and a seven-month-old. Well, your mom's your brother and you're next.

• 2:13:46Speaker 02

  And we're talking about whether she was taken.

• 2:13:50Speaker 02

  That to me is a very strong statement as to where we are as a society. And it's coming from one half. You didn't see any men line up to support Dahmer or Gacy or Bundy. And I hope, I hope we reverse course.

• 2:14:03Jack Selby?

  Did you have a prenup?

• 2:14:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:14:05Jack Selby?

  And what have you learned going through that experience?

• 2:14:08Speaker 02

  You can guess.

• 2:14:11Jack Selby?

  This is, this is

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  You can guess.

• 2:14:13Jack Selby?

  It's a, it's actually quite a common discussion that we have on this podcast specifically.

• 2:14:17Speaker 02

  I think people should have prenups.

• 2:14:18Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:18Speaker 02

  I think people should absolutely have prenups. Some people say, and this is a big failure of the evangelical Protestant church, like, well, you don't need a prenup because you're planning for, you're planning for the marriage to fail. Well, you could just as easily go, okay, you're planning, you're planning to fleece. It's the same thing like going back to Lindsay Clancy. They go, well, he didn't do enough. Let's just apply that exact same mindset to her. You think she was doing enough? You think she just one day murdered her three children? Or do you think she was probably a wife and mom too? And everyone turned up because boy, gee golly, she has access to all the healthcare in the world and she doctor shops. Maybe she wasn't doing enough. So I think, yeah, prenup, prenup. I will say money and violence creates clarity, unfortunately, creates clarity as far as sides.

• 2:15:02Speaker 02

  Money clarifies relationships where people say, yeah, I'll do it for you. And then money gets involved and you realize, wait a second, someone's intentions are a little bit different.

• 2:15:09Jack Selby?

  Interesting.

• 2:15:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, and I think when you understand that, you know, up to 70% of divorce filings in this country are, are women. And you understand that, uh, physical and infidelity are not the top reasons listed. I think when you look at the fact that, uh, domestic, one-way domestic is far more common from women to men. It's most common between lesbian couples. This is well documented. And that a single mother household, a single mother is 48% more likely to have a child than a father. I think we have a broken system. I really do. And I think the fact that the outrage is over a prenup, this is what I say. I am a very, very flawed and prickly, uh, conservative Christian who believes that marriage and family, the nuclear family is the foundation and bedrock of Western society.

• 2:15:55Speaker 02

  That's why Marx and Black Lives Matter and socialists have tried to tear it down. It's in their charter. I think it's, it's super important and it's hard for me to advocate that a young, successful man get married without a prenup. What do you do with that? It's no longer a religious thing. There's a covenant with God. And then there's a, there's a legal contract in the state, and it's the only contract where one side, that that earns the lesser financially is incentivized to break it. And it's a multi-billion dollar industry. Now I'll tell you this, one other example is in Kentucky, they switched custody default to 50/50, meaning like, we're not going to argue over that unless there's obviously the, it starts automatically with 50/50 custody and you saw divorce filings go down significantly.

• 2:16:37Speaker 02

  People will say it was part of a larger trend in other states, but not to the degree that Kentucky saw that sharp decline. You know why it was lost as a leverage point? I think people don't like to face the fact that too often, not all, women will use children as leverage against the father. And it's very common in the court system.

• 2:16:54Jack Selby?

  I used to be a little bit iffy on prenups, kind of mostly against it. And then as time has passed, I've kind of come around to them because I think likening them to a seatbelt is somewhat applicable. It's like you get into a car, you don't expect to get in a car crash. You're driving your car, you know, you're safe. Then there are so many other variables that you can't necessarily account for. So it's like, you may as well wear your seatbelt.

• 2:17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Plus your bank account, Bruce, so that makes sense.

• 2:17:20Jack Selby?

  True.

• 2:17:21Speaker 02

  And, you know, with what's going on on Hinge, I don't blame you. But no, I think, I think it absolutely makes sense. And it's a, there are ways to also do them reasonably, um, where it's, no one wants to leave anybody destitute.

• 2:17:30Jack Selby?

  Would you get married again?

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  Covenant before God, yeah. With the state, don't know.

• 2:17:36Jack Selby?

  All right, Stephen, we have some rapid fire questions for you now. Give us like a one sentence response and, uh, and let's, let's hear what you got to say.

• 2:17:43Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:17:44Jack Selby?

  What political beliefs have you changed your mind on?

• 2:17:46Speaker 02

  International trade when I saw how unfair it was.

• 2:17:49Jack Selby?

  What belief are you least certain about today?

• 2:17:52Speaker 02

  Probably same one, international trade. That's a big one.

• 2:17:55Jack Selby?

  Has there ever been a moment where you seriously considered stepping away from politics?

• 2:17:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:59Jack Selby?

  When?

• 2:18:00Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 2:18:01Jack Selby?

  Has covering politics every day made your life better or worse?

• 2:18:05Speaker 02

  Uh, less happy for large seasons of my life until I, uh, more maturely became equipped to handle it. But it is a, it is a soul suck because you see the darkest of humanity sometimes.

• 2:18:16Jack Selby?

  What's the biggest mistake people make when debating?

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  Probably should ask a super skilled debater, but I, I think, uh, operating off of a false premise is probably the big one. False premise or straw man, thinking it'll work.

• 2:18:30Jack Selby?

  Who's the best president of your lifetime?

• 2:18:32Speaker 02

  Of my lifetime, Donald Trump.

• 2:18:34Jack Selby?

  Worst president of your lifetime?

• 2:18:36Speaker 02

  Well, you could say, you know, the Bill Clinton because of family people, but probably Barack Obama as far as his policy being corrosive.

• 2:18:43Jack Selby?

  Optimistic or pessimistic about America in 10 years?

• 2:18:46Speaker 02

  Optimistic.

• 2:18:47Jack Selby?

  What's one piece of advice you'd give to a young person watching? If it was about anything, doesn't have to be political, could be philosophical, could be psychological, could be anything. What do you think they need help with?

• 2:18:56Speaker 02

  I think a lot of people are struggling with meaning and purpose. And that needs to come from self-esteem. There are only, there's only one way to actually generate, to create real self-esteem. Find something that you maybe have an aptitude for, get really good at it. Get excellent at something. That will be the baseline for true self-esteem because you'll understand that you can get good at something. And then biblically esteem others first. Serve others first. Get really, really good at something and find out how you can use that something to make a living, but also serve others.

• 2:19:31Jack Selby?

  So we have this list of people and I want to know if you could ask them a question and they had to be 100% honest with the answer. So like they could not lie.

• 2:19:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:41Jack Selby?

  You had some serum that you could give to them. What question would you ask AOC?

• 2:19:48Speaker 02

  Are those real?

• 2:19:49Jack Selby?

  Tucker Carlson.

• 2:19:50Speaker 02

  Why the flip?

• 2:19:52Jack Selby?

  Ben Shapiro.

• 2:19:53Speaker 02

  Well, why didn't you show up for the debate that we were going to have? I still have a ton of respect for you, my man.

• 2:19:57Jack Selby?

  Bernie Sanders.

• 2:19:59Speaker 02

  Tote or bleach straitjacket?

• 2:20:01Jack Selby?

  Nick Fuentes.

• 2:20:03Speaker 02

  Is there a world in which bridges could be built with people who've objectively wronged you? And is there a world in which you think that you could work alongside some people who would surprise folks? Or do you want to be doing what it is that you do forever?

• 2:20:22Jack Selby?

  Hillary Clinton.

• 2:20:24Speaker 02

  What'd you kill that guy?

• 2:20:25Jack Selby?

  Why is the question?

• 2:20:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:27Jack Selby?

  That's, that's the question that you would have for her.

• 2:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why'd you kill those guys?

• 2:20:30Jack Selby?

  Elon Musk.

• 2:20:32Speaker 02

  At a certain point, it's too, too many. Why Ashley Sinclair? Why didn't you see that one coming a mile away?

• 2:20:37Jack Selby?

  Peter Thiel.

• 2:20:38Speaker 02

  Is your blood bag human like part-time or full-time? Are they salaried or is it like a contractor?

• 2:20:45Jack Selby?

  Do you have any questions for us?

• 2:20:47Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, I have so many questions for you guys.

• 2:20:49Jack Selby?

  Flip it. Cause whatever you ask right now, all we're going to do to end it is a tier list and then we're done. So, so you have, you have the field now.

• 2:20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause you've been doing YouTube for 10 years.

• 2:20:56Jack Selby?

  10 years.

• 2:20:57Speaker 02

  And you have been

• 2:20:58Jack Selby?

  I've been working with him for what? Eight and a half?

• 2:21:00Graham Stephan?

  Seven, seven and a half. Yeah. Jack sent me an email.

• 2:21:04Speaker 02

  He sent you an email?

• 2:21:04Graham Stephan?

  He sent me an email wanting to work, said he would do anything. And it just happened to be at a time where I was, had so much on my plate and I get Jack some very menial work.

• 2:21:13Speaker 02

  I thought you were going to say it happened to come at a time you were horny.

• 2:21:17Jack Selby?

  I'll do anything.

• 2:21:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's a date. Don't, by the way, don't do that again. Don't send the guy, a stranger, I'll do anything.

• 2:21:23Jack Selby?

  Well, you know, who knows? It worked for someone else.

• 2:21:25Speaker 02

  It did. It worked for Kamala Harris and she would have been the example as the first female president.

• 2:21:28Graham Stephan?

  He did a great job. And then I was like, what else could I give him? And it was some editing work. And then it was some emails and it slowly progressed.

• 2:21:37Speaker 02

  Have you guys ever had like a big blow up fight and then resolved it?

• 2:21:40Jack Selby?

  We've never had a big blow up fight. We had one, not necessarily a fight because we don't get angry at each other. The things that make me angry about Graham, I would say is his general incompetence with certain things.

• 2:21:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:21:52Graham Stephan?

  And what?

• 2:21:53Jack Selby?

  Like, I mean, you set up the set and everything's set up incorrectly.

• 2:21:57Graham Stephan?

  Nothing was set up incorrectly.

• 2:21:58Speaker 02

  You're going to take that from him? Give him a shot.

• 2:22:00Graham Stephan?

  No, nothing was set up correctly.

• 2:22:01Jack Selby?

  He thinks I'm lazy. Yeah. So it's like, like the thing is, once you become so close with someone, you know them and you accept them for all of the things that they have that are good and all of the things that they have that are bad.

• 2:22:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:22:12Jack Selby?

  You know, and so Graham and I are at this point where like, I can be 100% honest with them, he could be 100% honest with me, like the fact that he didn't realize that if we had a dynamic shot in the background, then we'd have a black bar going through this thing all the time. Like the fact that he set up the audio and he had a power cable running over the audio cables, which will cause buzzing.

• 2:22:29Graham Stephan?

  I knew that.

• 2:22:30Jack Selby?

  Well, how come when I checked it, see like, I have to check all of his work because if I don't, then we can have an issue like that.

• 2:22:35Graham Stephan?

  He's making stuff up.

• 2:22:35Speaker 02

  Who signs the fronts of checks between you, right?

• 2:22:38Graham Stephan?

  No, we're equal partners.

• 2:22:39Speaker 02

  You're equal partners?

• 2:22:40Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. Technically, I think it's like 51, 49.

• 2:22:43Speaker 02

  He just shit on you for like a minute and a half straight.

• 2:22:44Jack Selby?

  It on me.

• 2:22:46Graham Stephan?

  He's lazy and he doesn't respond to text messages and I think his priorities are a little out of whack. He likes life balance, which I think as a 20 something, there's no life balance. Just like dig in, we have a unique opportunity here. We gotta work really, really, really hard. And then when he's 35, he could, you know, take his foot off the gas a little bit. That's all.

• 2:23:06Speaker 02

  That actually though, that is the, that's the, that's his version of the you play ball like a girl. You're like this, this cable and this should be USB C. And he's just like, he's a lazy bastard. He wins.

• 2:23:16Jack Selby?

  Why does he win?

• 2:23:17Speaker 02

  Oh, just because that's soul crushing.

• 2:23:19Graham Stephan?

  What? What is?

• 2:23:20Speaker 02

  Lazy. I'm saying like, you know,

• 2:23:22Graham Stephan?

  No.

• 2:23:23Speaker 02

  Cable configuration wrong.

• 2:23:24Jack Selby?

  Well, I don't, I don't think that, I don't think I'm lazy. I think that like, I, I can see the fact that I could 100,000% work harder. And if he was in my shoes, he would 100% be working harder than I am. But I'm not disappointed with the progress that we've made. I think we're doing a really good job and I do work hard. And so like, I don't feel incomplete. I actually feel very satisfied with, with my, with my level of work and my contributions.

• 2:23:47Speaker 02

  Did you see how I just wizarded you guys like a wizard?

• 2:23:49Graham Stephan?

  No, I didn't see that.

• 2:23:50Speaker 02

  Okay. So you crapped on him.

• 2:23:52Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:52Speaker 02

  And then you crapped on him and all I did was like, man, you were better at your crapping. And you were like, no, no, no. Then you defended him and he defended you and you guys have made up.

• 2:24:00Jack Selby?

  Well, we've, we've never been into like out of odds.

• 2:24:02Graham Stephan?

  But this is not like a new thing.

• 2:24:04Speaker 02

  No, but what I'm saying is see, just, just, that's the thing, right? Cause you ask about being difficult to work with insiders, outsiders. You crapped on him, he crapped on you and then I threw my lot in with him and you immediately defended him.

• 2:24:16Jack Selby?

  I don't want you to start team, I don't want you to start attacking him.

• 2:24:18Speaker 02

  No, that's the point. That's how you should be. That's how I know you two guys are, that's loyalty, right? But to the outside of like, how could you guys say that about each other? But if someone else comes in, you're gonna defend your bully and you're gonna defend your

• 2:24:29Graham Stephan?

  Oh, we've said far worse about each other. And then people think it's serious. So we scaled back on it. We're like, have joke.

• 2:24:36Jack Selby?

  Is it's almost impossible to be so close when we're traveling to Dallas and even yesterday, Graham was like, hey, we're doing a hotel. Do you want to share a room?

• 2:24:45Graham Stephan?

  And we could save the money.

• 2:24:46Jack Selby?

  And we could save, like, we're still like at that spot, not necessarily like financially. I'm just saying we're still at that spot. We're like, we're comfortable enough to be like, like we travel all the time. We spend all this time together. It's impossible for us to not have a good relationship.

• 2:25:00Graham Stephan?

  250 bucks. Cause we're getting in at 1am. We're just waking up in the morning. We could save like 300 bucks just for going to bed.

• 2:25:07Speaker 02

  My best friend who works for me, he's like my other, he's the first, it's the first time I've had other comedy writers. I had to write every single sketch you guys have seen for a very long time. And I've known him since I was 12. And I love him. He's very much like a brother to me. We used to share rooms, but his snoring, it sounds like he's actually dying, like physically dying, like the snore gets really loud.

• 2:25:28Graham Stephan?

  Apnea, right?

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  He swears that it's not.

• 2:25:31Graham Stephan?

  It is.

• 2:25:31Speaker 02

  But uh, yeah.

• 2:25:33Graham Stephan?

  Sleep apnea.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  So I was like, we can't do the same room anymore because I just wasn't able to sleep because I was worried about my friend dying. So you two, you two are a cute couple.

• 2:25:40Jack Selby?

  Thanks. Anything else?

• 2:25:45Speaker 02

  You say his priorities out of whack. Is that as far as him like, I know working, but would you like to see him? Cause you, you have a family. Would you like to see him find a lady? What kind of lady do you think he needs?

• 2:25:52Jack Selby?

  I don't know.

• 2:25:53Graham Stephan?

  We're on the same page there. Yeah, we're on the same page. A part of me thinks he should wait a little longer. So he's 28. I think by the time he's like 30. What?

• 2:26:01Jack Selby?

  I'm 27.

• 2:26:02Graham Stephan?

  20, you're gonna be 28 in like a month and a half.

• 2:26:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:26:05Graham Stephan?

  So I think if he waits to 30, I think the person he could get today, he can get an even better person in two years.

• 2:26:11Speaker 02

  How?

• 2:26:12Graham Stephan?

  Uh, I think Jack focusing that time on his career is gonna elevate and expand him in other ways that I think will better. No, it's, I think it's true.

• 2:26:22Speaker 02

  More attractive to a woman because he'll be wealthier and more successful.

• 2:26:25Graham Stephan?

  Sure. But I mean, is that not a?

• 2:26:27Speaker 02

  Oh, no, that's considered a horrible misogyny and, and it's right now. And they're like, people will say that, that reeks of manacy.

• 2:26:32Graham Stephan?

  Here's the thing. I also think, cause I knew myself in my twenties, my priorities, everything has changed dramatically by the time I was 30. And so I feel like you just solidify who you are as a person. You really know what you want, what's important. I think that helps.

• 2:26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. I've pretty much always been the same. You want me to tell you those quick stories of how I became conservative? Okay. Couple of them. One was I had a communist drama teacher. And she at one point said that we should give all the money back to Native Americans. And I've told the story on my show. And I had just come from history class in Quebec. The primary ones were the Algonquins and the Iroquois. And so we should give all the land back to Native Americans. I said, well, which ones?

• 2:27:12Speaker 02

  And she's, I said, well, which ones? Because they were at war with each other. And then she goes, that's so, that's just, that's just so right wing. Didn't know what it meant. I was 11 or 12. I went home to my dad. I said, what does it mean? Right wing? He said, who said that? I said, my communist drama teacher. He said, oh, well, this is what it means. And he explained to me the political spectrum. And I said, okay, I'm that. And I went back the next day and I said, by the way, I'm, I'm right wing and I don't want to give the land back. And she was like, oh, she went absolutely nuts. The other one was I learned about nuclear disarmament. I had a teacher saying, you know, nuclear disarmament is what we need to do. And I was a kid and I was, I didn't have all the information. I said, well, what is that? She said, well, nukes can destroy the world X times over. I said, okay, that's terrible. She said, yeah. So we need to disarm. I said, okay. So how do we do that? She said, well, America needs to get rid of its nuclear arsenal. I said, okay. And then everyone else

• 2:27:57Speaker 02

  is going to. And she said, well, you know, hopefully, I said, no, but there's like an agreement that everyone would do it. Cause you said, America should get rid of them. She said, yeah. I said, what other, what other countries have nuclear weapons? And I remember her answer like, like Russia, China, and she said France, cause that stuck out to me. I said, okay. So Russia, China and France, after the United States gets rid of all their nuclear weapons, they will get rid of theirs too? She said, well, hopefully. And I said, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. That made me conservative. Those two things were the starting point. I was like, this is ridiculous. And then I got my first checks and my dad explained to me how taxes work. But just as a kid, I was like, what? It just defied logic. And I've been right leaning ever since.

• 2:28:41Graham Stephan?

  See, I've always been fiscally conservative, socially liberal. I don't.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  Okay, Dave Rubin.

• 2:28:47Graham Stephan?

  It's true. I don't care what people do. If it doesn't affect me directly, I really don't care. But when it comes to, when I see like owing taxes, I, I have a huge tax bill coming up in a week. And I'm just thinking, oh my gosh, it's all this stuff that it just gets wasted on. And I'd love more accountability when it comes to that.

• 2:29:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:08Graham Stephan?

  And when I see some spending or when I pull a permit to build something and I see, where's that money going? It's just, it's gone.

• 2:29:16Speaker 02

  Going to fund some transgender Sesame Street in Yemen through an NGO.

• 2:29:21Graham Stephan?

  Not even that. It's just, it funnels through these different things. And then by the time it lands and it's like a penny is goes in the final resting spot of that dollar.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  I used to be that way until you realize that they're inextricably tied, that the overspending and all the social programs and social justice, that comes with a godless view of government with, without the original parameters. And it'll never be fixed until we say this is the legitimate purview of government as identified by the founders, a deeply Christian nation. Otherwise you're gonna end up funding LGBTQ drag shows in Iraq.

• 2:29:50Graham Stephan?

  It just seems like both sides equally spend money they don't have, just because it's not their money and they could keep doing it.

• 2:29:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, that's my definition of political corruption. I know that, I think we kinda

• 2:30:03Speaker 02

  glanced past that. But yeah, is, it's not just about, you know, embezzling money or growing your portfolio. It's promising a constituency, the, promising them ill-gotten gain at the cost of someone else because it's immoral. It's in any other scenario, illegal. It's never considered charitable to take someone's money and give it to someone else when it's not yours. But it's the fastest way to guarantee a baseline voter base. And I think that is the definition of political corruption. And I'm gonna take from him to give to you.

• 2:30:31Graham Stephan?

  What do you think the tax rate should be? When does it cross the line from like taxes to just, that's theft?

• 2:30:38Speaker 02

  If you were going to do it in a data driven way, you could look at House's law. And that shows us as far as pretty much total tax revenue collected, right? There's a curve where it actually doesn't change. It's been pretty consistent. I think the number's between 16 and like 21%. And the revenues, regardless of what you tax as far as income, end up being pretty comparable. So there's a curve, if you were to look at it data wise, where there's a point of diminishing returns. We could just start and pick there. Morally, I would say 10%, but that's a conversation for another day.

• 2:31:08Graham Stephan?

  Would you support a flat tax?

• 2:31:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:31:11Graham Stephan?

  Do you think that could ever happen?

• 2:31:12Speaker 02

  Probably not, because it's too easy to buy votes by promising to Rob Peter to pay Paul.

• 2:31:18Speaker 02

  But yeah, I think that makes sense. I absolutely think it's what would be fair and what was considered reasonable for a very, very long time.

• 2:31:24Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, I would love to see just a flat 15 to 20% tax, like no brackets, just, just everyone pays the same. If you make a hundred bucks, you pay the same as a hundred million. Maybe you could argue capital gains is, you know, a few percent below because that money's already been taxed. Just something flat.

• 2:31:40Jack Selby?

  I would love the tax code to be able to fit on 10 pieces of paper.

• 2:31:43Speaker 02

  No, I agree. You know what? Okay. Call it a 15% flat tax with a very, very few write offs and loopholes. There you go. Easy. It's not going to happen. And that's one where you could say it's not going to happen because of both sides. That's where I would agree. I hate the both sides, man. But I guess you'd be wearing patchouli and a peace symbol. But in that case, too many people stand to gain from that entire industry.

• 2:32:03Jack Selby?

  Yep. Alrighty. So we have a tier list. Just go ahead and give us your general thoughts on the people on this list and then put them highest ranking is S, lowest ranking is F.

• 2:32:11Speaker 02

  Do you want to do it with the actual mouse cursor?

• 2:32:12Jack Selby?

  Yeah, yeah. Just click on it and drag it.

• 2:32:14Speaker 02

  Okay. So here's my question. Is this tier list based on my support for them? How much I agree with them or how effective they are at, you know, their chosen endeavor?

• 2:32:26Jack Selby?

  I would like just say it's general broad thoughts about that as that person as an individual.

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't do that because so the problem is you have people in there who are conservative who aren't. So I don't want to just put them down there because I don't share their views. So it'd be at their chosen field of work. And by the way, it's not all the same thing. So as far as, okay, let me give you the easy ones right off the bat. Joe Rogan would be S list because he was a pioneer. I remember watching, sorry, I'm doing it. I'm reaching across here. I remember watching him from my then high school girlfriend's den when he had a show and he called Carlos Mancita task. And by the way, he referenced two inspirations for writing comedy, Dave Chappelle and Nick DiPaolo. Nick DiPaolo's on the show all the time. He's one of the best comedians working, funniest man alive. AOC F tier because she's

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  Bernie Sanders. I'll go, you know what? I'll go C tier because he's done this. He's done a pretty effective job. He needs to maintain the lie. He needs to convince people that he's a man of the people, even though he has three houses. Now, you know, one house, you're doing pretty well. Two houses is luxury. Three houses, nobody needs that. And you certainly don't get to be a socialist. Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro would definitely be A tier at his, again, I disagree with him on a whole lot, but at his chosen endeavor and taking sort of picking his spots and being adjacent to businesses and then playing a role so that they become major revenue generators and also playing a role in that.

• 2:33:55Speaker 02

  Okay. He's good at that. Charlie Kirk, you just have to say S because there's no answer that would be even acceptable, even though I like Charlie Kirk. But if I put him anywhere else, someone's going to be really mad. Bill Maher F tier because Bill Maher has never been funny accidentally and he's ripped off at least three or four jokes from myself and I never made it onto his show because his call screener, you know, didn't like, I'm not the intellectual titan of Tommy Loran or SC Cup, but I really wanted to be on his show. Candace Owens. Oh my gosh. She, here's the thing. If you're going to talk about being educated politically or adding value to the cultural dialogue, it would be F. If you're going to grade her based on what she is seeking to achieve, which is like be the next Oprah.

• 2:34:40Speaker 02

  And she's basically created a whole new market, like 80% of her viewership is, you know, stay at home true crime moms, not political. She's been pretty effective at that and she's been pretty effective at whitewashing that she was a career long liberal and, you know, very pro Israel and went and visited the wall. So I'll put her on S tier because she's created a whole new market. Destiny, I don't, he's just kind of someone I ignore. So I'll just put him right there next to Bernie. Don Lemon, you know what? He deserves F tier because he's the worst, but he's just so fun to beat up. And I don't mean physically that, you know, he's brought me some enjoyment in my life, Don Lemon. So I'm going to put him right there on, I'll put him on D. Elon Musk. Well, it's pretty hard to take the richest

• 2:35:23Speaker 02

  man alive and put him as anything other than S tier, even though, you know, I disagree with him on a whole lot. And someone that powerful could, could always potentially be the Antichrist. I'm not saying for any specific reason. It's just always potential. Gavin Newsom. Oh my gosh, Gavin Newsom. Pretty effective at what he does because his state is awful. But for some reason, people think that he's actually a passable governor. Hassan Piker, again, is just kind of someone that I generally ignore, but I'm going to put him on F tier because people died while he was there doing that whole concert shindig in Cuba and it caused a power outage at the local hospital. JD Vance, I will put on B. Don't know enough about him yet, but I like what I see. I still have some concerns with

• 2:36:06Speaker 02

  him. Jordan Peterson, definitely should go A tier. I hope he gets better. And I hope that his, you know, his issue with his family clear up. I mean, I hope his health issues that he's going through with his family. There's nothing wrong with his family, to be clear. And he's been on the show, he was on the show before he ever appeared in the States because I knew him from Canada. Really, really good guy. Matt Walsh. I mean, I don't know if I put him on B tier. I mean, I guess B tier because he's not as big as Ben Shapiro and doesn't have like the equity stake in it, but he's obviously a very popular show. I agree with most of what he says. Megyn Kelly. Hmm.

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• 2:37:13Speaker 02

  That's a tough one because she went from advocating transing children to, you know, now being right leaning. And so I just never really know where she lines up. And she also doesn't employ herself. She's still kind of consistently been an employee. So I'll put her on B tier. Nick Fuentes, again, if the, if the standard here is how effective are they in their chosen endeavor? Whether you like him or not, and for the longest time, I really, really, really did not like him. And I disagree with him on a whole lot. He chose to be an outsider and did it his own way. And he will stand and defend his views with anyone who will host him. So I'm going to give him, you know, but he, you know, he hasn't, he hasn't reached the level that he would like to. So give him A tier.

• 2:37:55Speaker 02

  Barack Obama, D tier, diversity higher. Piers Morgan, I'll put him as a C. You know what? I'll put him, I'll put him as a B because he's chosen to be the, you know, the Maury Povich of YouTube. And at that, he's really good. Donald Trump. Gosh.

• 2:38:20Speaker 02

  Immigration S tier. The rest of his presidency, B. So I'll take Donald Trump and I will put him honestly, probably at a B tier at this moment in time. If it was just his first term, A tier, the first three years. It remains, I will in a bet that he's probably going to be up there at A tier at some point. Tucker Carlson. Well, which Tucker Carlson? The Fox News, bow tie libertarian Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson today.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:38:56Speaker 02

  I mean, I will say this, as far as hosting people and completely evading anyone who would hold him to account or challenge him in any way, shape or form, you know, like a champion who ducks tough fights, Tucker Carlson is A tier because it's really easy to beat up on Ted Cruz or Huckabee. Or sorry, S tier. I put him on S tier. As far as hosting a show and making it, again, erasing your past, where if people look to go, well, this is remarkably inconsistent and avoiding hosting anyone who would actually hold your feet to the fire. That's what he's chosen to do. It's what is most beneficial to him. And he's also, by the way, a good host. There's a reason he's done it for a very long time. I mean, he was at CNN and that felt and he was at CNBC and then, you know, Fox News Weekend, Fox News. The guy, I will say this, like Nick Fuentes, the guy is a survivor.

• 2:39:41Speaker 02

  And I do have to give him that credit. After he went through and his texts were leaked, that he hated Trump, that he despised the Trump voter ship and he's, you know, his elitist came out. He's managed to stick around and be pretty effective with it. Doesn't mean that I agree with him, but you know, I have to respect what he's done. So.

• 2:39:56Graham Stephan?

  Cool. Thank you so much.

• 2:39:59Speaker 02

  I didn't expect to do that with the mouse pad and stuff. That was fun.

• 2:40:01Jack Selby?

  Yeah. You should make a video like that. I really think it would blow up.

• 2:40:04Graham Stephan?

  Tier list too. So well.

• 2:40:05Speaker 02

  People love them. They love them. Yeah, I know. They like, people like tier list, but then there's so much crap with our guys. It's like S tier, B tier with no explanation. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, why am I watching this?

• 2:40:13Graham Stephan?

  But you could, you could do that for like an hour and you could talk like over everyone and give examples. People would eat that up. Yeah.

• 2:40:19Speaker 02

  Love it. I will say as far as hosts, you guys right now, A minus tier.

• 2:40:25Graham Stephan?

  Really? I was worried we didn't do a great job today because I felt we bounced, we bounced around. We, we.

• 2:40:31Jack Selby?

  I'll take A tier. Okay.

• 2:40:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I definitely would. I think that you guys know to get to S tier, it's going to be like, your name needs to be synonymous in the, you know, you need to be like the guys in the finance space. But I do think you're pretty good. I think you two work really well off of each other.

• 2:40:42Graham Stephan?

  Thank you. Thanks. Cool.

• 2:40:44Jack Selby?

  And I really appreciate it.

• 2:40:45Speaker 02

  No, I said, I usually don't like, like, I know it's pretty evasive. I don't usually do a lot of other programs. But also laying the brain really speaks highly of you. And your two.

• 2:40:56Jack Selby?

  Thank you, Brain.

• 2:40:56Speaker 02

  You're two, two decent guys. I hope you find a lady. Hinge, probably not the best place.

• 2:41:01Jack Selby?

  Where is? Grinder.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  Church. But you're Jewish synagogue.

• 2:41:04Jack Selby?

  I don't go to, I'm like ethnically Jewish, but I'm not, you know, I've never really.

• 2:41:09Speaker 02

  All right. Then accept Christ and church.

• 2:41:13Jack Selby?

  I've been to church.

• 2:41:14Speaker 02

  You had to do the first half. We'll talk about that off air.

• 2:41:18Jack Selby?

  Guys, thank you so much for watching.

• 2:41:19Graham Stephan?

  Thank you.

• 2:41:20Jack Selby?

  All of your things will be linked down below in the description. Thank you for the goodie bags. You brought over these goodie bags.

• 2:41:24Graham Stephan?

  Appreciate it, man.

• 2:41:25Jack Selby?

  Thank you to Chris Camillo for letting us use this space. This is called Sky House. So if you want any information on that, it's linked down below in the description. Thank you to Michael for editing this episode. Thank you to everybody.

• 2:41:34Speaker 02

  The goodie bags are just meth.

• 2:41:36Graham Stephan?

  Oh, and thank you, by the way, to our channel members who get access to this completely uncensored. So all of your naughty words, you guys could be watching it.

• 2:41:45Speaker 02

  I'm fine with it.

• 2:41:46Jack Selby?

  Thanks, guys. Till next time.

• 2:41:48Speaker 06

  I would argue the negative data, if you're a first time home buyer is good. It's bad if you're an existing owner.

• 2:41:53Graham Stephan?

  What if you are wrong?

• 2:41:55Speaker 06

  Not going to lie. I am pulling for a national home price crash.

• 2:41:57Speaker 07

  New home construction, that's down while the cost of those homes and most everything else these days is up.

• 2:42:04Jack Selby?

  What does this tell you about the greater US economy?

• 2:42:06Speaker 06

  Existing home sales are around four million. That's about what they were in 2008, 2009 during the worst financial crash in 80 years. The gap between what home buyers need to earn and what they actually make has never been wider. What out of everything you've seen in the past three months is the most surprising thing? Someone bought a house for 500, it's now 400. You know, we were told that that's like not possible.

• 2:42:31Graham Stephan?

  Who should buy a house and who should not?

• 2:42:33Speaker 06

  So for the vast majority of people in the US, be very careful if you're buying. Property is fine, except it's pretty darn expensive by historical standards. I don't think we're going to see entire markets go down 65%. I think we'll see entire markets go down.

• 2:42:50Graham Stephan?

  That, I mean, that would be insane.

• 2:42:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

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