Caleb Williams The NFL's No. 1 Overall Projected Draft Pick talks his football mindset, winning Championships, dealing with critics, hating disrespect, what he looks forward to in Chicago & being a leader for the Bears

This year’s 2024 NFL draft class has received more noise than recent years’ pools of players, and it has mainly stemmed from one position- quarterback. Many teams are hoping to change the trajectory of their franchise in the first round, and the Chicago Bears are sitting in that top spot with one player a phone call away. Ryan, Channing and Fred sat down with the NFL’s projected No. 1 overall pick, Caleb Williams to find out what it will be like for him to hear his name called first at next week’s Draft in Detroit. The 2022 Heisman Trophy winner talks to The Pivot a few days before the life changing night, about what it will take for him to lead a team and how he has proven what it takes to win Lombardi Trophies. A knock many people had against Caleb was that he lacked adversity growing up. Caleb shuts down these assumptions and explains how each of his biggest pivots came from losses and failures. Whether it was falling short in crucial games growing up or starting on the bench at Oklahoma, Caleb has dedicated his life to never accepting losses again. Williams is built for the future of the game, and as Channing says he’s “built in a lab,” Caleb has approached football from a business mindset as well. His parents taught Caleb to sit back and watch then learn and adapt, and on and off the football field Williams has found ways to only get better. The Bears trading away Justin Fields showed Caleb everything he needed to see, and the same way he changed the culture at Gonzaga High School and at USC he is hoping to revive Chicago football. He discusses with the guys how much he dreams of championships and the journey he’s taken to making that a reality. Playing alongside Olu Fashanu in high school and against Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix in college has exposed Caleb to some of this year’s best talent. Yet he explains to Ryan how his leadership and focus is seemingly unmatched amongst the other players. Before games Caleb tells himself he’s already won, and he is already picturing his name being called out on April 25th. Caleb hopes to cultivate a new culture in Chicago, and he has the confidence to make it happen. New episodes drop on Tuesdays at 12 p.m. ET and Fridays at 3:30 p.m ET on YouTube, with audio available on all streaming platforms Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Channing Crowder?

  Man.

• 0:31Ryan Clark?

  What?

• 0:34Ryan Clark?

  How old are you?

• 0:38Fred Taylor?

  Right, right. OMG.

• 0:39Channing Crowder?

  Yes, he's stupid.

• 0:41Ryan Clark?

  What I went to LSU for? Goodness gracious. I don't know how football players operate in 2023, 24, but you give Ryan Clark this in '01? Boy.

• 0:54Channing Crowder?

  Babies, babies.

• 0:55Ryan Clark?

  Baby, well, I had him already. Hey, you give me this.

• 0:59Channing Crowder?

  Babies, babies.

• 1:01Ryan Clark?

  Look at the rolling hills and you see the whole city.

• 1:04Channing Crowder?

  And this is beautiful.

• 1:05Fred Taylor?

  Kobe, Shaq, LeBron's house.

• 1:08Channing Crowder?

  There we go.

• 1:09Ryan Clark?

  What up, good dog? Hey, he get you.

• 1:10Fred Taylor?

  Running back.

• 1:11Channing Crowder?

  Presidential estate.

• 1:14Ryan Clark?

  What up, good dog? Good to see you again this morning for the 17th time.

• 1:17Speaker 04

  What you mean? You can get me. For what?

• 1:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you know, this is usually the spot you get once you go first overall.

• 1:26Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27Ryan Clark?

  He ain't gonna have to buy nothing, but this spot in Chicago.

• 1:30Channing Crowder?

  That's where it is? That where they investing?

• 1:32Ryan Clark?

  USC probably, they NIL that too. They're probably like, hey, look, wherever you go with the first pick, we're gonna just get your house there too.

• 1:40Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, we did good. We did good.

• 1:41Fred Taylor?

  I don't think it's a bad thing. You resurrected the program, man. I mean, it's not a bad thing. They can look out for you.

• 1:48Channing Crowder?

  On the way there, we went 7-5 last year. Tough year, but.

• 1:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, we're, I'm excited for this year, I'll say that. For one, myself, and then also, you know, the guys at USC. You know, new D coordinator and defense, a bunch of new players. But yeah, hopefully I was a big piece of the resurrection.

• 2:07Ryan Clark?

  I mean, you absolutely were.

• 2:33Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to The Pivot. This is Channing Crowder, Fred Taylor, I'm Ryan Clark. Caleb Williams, for all of you people that don't know. Heisman Trophy winner, presumptive number one pick. He used to look different. Now, he just decided that he's not gonna shave his beard. He's not gonna get a haircut. He's gonna go caveman. I do have a question.

• 2:52Channing Crowder?

  Called growing out the pretty.

• 2:53Ryan Clark?

  Will this change for the draft?

• 2:56Speaker 05

  This would be different for the draft.

• 2:57Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 2:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:58Ryan Clark?

  So, you know, do we know what type of cut we going with for the draft?

• 3:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna keep my hair. I'm trying to grow my hair back out. I used to have super long hair when I was younger. And so, I'm growing it back out to, longer than it was when I was playing in college. But I will have a shape up, my beard to be, my beard to be nice and trimmed and everything, so.

• 3:19Ryan Clark?

  You'll look first.

• 3:20Speaker 05

  I look a little, I look, I look first overall.

• 3:22Ryan Clark?

  That's what I want to hear. You ain't gonna be up to that long, don't worry about it.

• 3:27Speaker 05

  This was the, this was the off-season. I'm not, you know, I'm not here to impress anything. I'm enjoying whether it was training or traveling, you know. So, that was, that's what this whole thing is. That's work mode. Yeah. You gotta go to work mode.

• 3:41Ryan Clark?

  I love it.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  My solitude mode.

• 3:43Ryan Clark?

  I love it. The legend, I was talking about the legend of Caleb Williams. For a lot of people, it could have started freshman year, taking the ball from Kennedy on a, on a fourth and one run. You could start there. It could start, you know, at USC.

• 3:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:57Ryan Clark?

  Winning the Heisman Trophy. But I'm gonna take you back, not way further, but a little bit. Let's go to the, um... Washington Catholic Championship.

• 4:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:06Ryan Clark?

  Right? Sophomore year.

• 4:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:08Ryan Clark?

  Right? You get injured.

• 4:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:10Ryan Clark?

  That game, three lead changes late in the game. Take us back to that time and what was going through your mind as you're trying to win that game against DeMatha who had tons of NFL and college stars on it.

• 4:25Speaker 05

  One of my teammates.

• 4:26Ryan Clark?

  One of your teammates as well.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Marshawn, he was on that team.

• 4:29Ryan Clark?

  Talk a little bit about that night because that seemed to start the legend of Caleb Williams.

• 4:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, so the year before was my freshman year and we went to the championship loss. It was on my birthday, November 18th to St. John's. They had a bunch of NFL guys and college guys. And then the next year was the same thing.

• 4:49Speaker 05

  Same day, my birthday again. November 18th, we went down 20, 20 points in the first quarter. Quick too, I mean, it was like, it was like six minutes left in the first quarter. We were down, we were down 20, eight minutes, I think, actually. So we go down, after we go down, it's more or less a take one drive at a time. Focus on what you can control. There's a lot of ball left and something that we, you know, you're always preaching. As everybody knows here, you can only win the game in the fourth quarter.

• 5:19Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 05

  And so that's what it, that's what it came down to. And we end up getting to the, it was the craziest, probably game I've ever been a part of. That in Texas game. Get to like third quarter, we start coming back, we throw a couple touchdowns.

• 5:35Speaker 05

  Run a couple touchdowns, things like that. Then we get to the fourth quarter and that's the craziest fourth quarter. Craziest two minutes of the fourth quarter.

• 5:41Ryan Clark?

  So you get, but you hurt your foot in the fourth quarter.

• 5:44Speaker 05

  I hurt my foot late in the, late in the quarter. I had a turf toe. And I got bent up by one of the DNs. I can't remember who the DN was, but we got, I got bent up at, you know, he caught me from behind and my foot got caught under him and my toe went, felt like all of my toes were broken. But it's just my, my big toe, you know, I had a little turf toe probably. And then so after that, two minutes, I'm hurt. We drive down, we score. One or two minute, I thought the game was over. You know, you drive down with too many, you feel like, you feel like Tom Brady, you know? You always, you always watch Tom Brady in his, his fourth quarter, two minute miracles of just, you know, how precise and detailed he was in those, in those two minutes.

• 6:28Speaker 05

  So, you know, we drive down and it's like 30 seconds left on the clock or something like that, 40, 30 seconds. And then they return a kickoff.

• 6:39Speaker 05

  And the dude breaks, I think he broke like six tackles on the kickoff. Took it down the sideline, whole stadium goes crazy and my tears, my tears are gone because I was, I was crying tears of joy like, like, oh shit, we won this, it's over. And then we drive down, or they drive down with the, with the, with the return, they score, and my, so my tears just stop and I'm, I'm like, okay, we have time on the clock. I mean, it's, it's high school and 20 seconds or so left on the clock. And then my only thing to my offensive coordinator, because he's up in the box, my only thing to him, could see everybody crying in the huddle, like the, all the offensive linemen. I would never forget, Olufoshanu, Olufoshanu was my left tackle.

• 7:23Channing Crowder?

  Another top 10 pick?

• 7:23Speaker 05

  Yep, another top 10 pick, my guy. He was crying because we thought we lost in the huddle before we go out. And so, only thing I said to my offensive coordinator was get me in range. We hit around the, the 50 yards, six or negative 40 yard mark and I knew I was in range and so.

• 7:41Channing Crowder?

  That's a hell of a range for a high school kid, a sophomore.

• 7:44Speaker 05

  I knew I was in range because we also practiced it every week and things like that, so I knew I was in range and once I was in range, I felt, I felt like the game was over, to be honest. And so, I drop back, slid up, slid back, when I slid up the second time, I let the ball go. And you see it, you just watch, and I start, you know, falling off. I let it go, my weight carries me, and I start falling off to the left. And I see the ball start coming down, and I thought I overthrew it, to be honest. So, you know, ball starts coming down, and then I see John Marshall. Played safety at Navy, played wide receiver for me. I see the ball coming down, and we were wearing white gloves, and DeMatha was wearing like, blue and red and stuff.

• 8:29Speaker 05

  And so, all you see is the white gloves go up above everybody, and then I just, I knew he caught it and I dropped it to the ground.

• 8:35Ryan Clark?

  I love the fact that he said, "We were negative forty, we had the minus forty, and I thought I overthrew it."

• 8:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I did. Well, I was juiced, too.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  I was, I mean, it was the craziest game ever, ever. Adrenaline is going. And when I let the ball go, I was like, I was like, "Aw, this is, this is out of bounds." Yeah, but it landed perfectly.

• 8:56Channing Crowder?

  Speaking of, speaking of, you know, coming up and being young, like, as I was reading and, and heard some of your interviews, like, Randy Moss was just a natural athlete out the womb, like, it is what it is.

• 9:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:07Channing Crowder?

  It seemed like you were created in a lab. Because, you know, something you say, you had nutrition, well, you had ten nutritionists, five a.m. workouts, six, six p.m. workouts. Your parents had a facility, like, you were built.

• 9:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:20Channing Crowder?

  To be, to be the Oscar Trophy winner, number one pick.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was, so I played football for, for ten years straight, or nine years straight, for just complete fun, complete, just like, you know, I just enjoy, I enjoy and love football. And then we lost the game in FBU to Harrison Bailey. He played quarterback at UNLV this past year, and he was this, this big phenom quarterback. He was 6'3" already, or whatever he is now, 6'5", whatever he is now. And we lost to him, and that loss, and the experience that I had through that loss, from losing to him, but also, I was, the coach that I played for didn't play me, you know, that game because my parents made a decision that we were gonna go to, you know, San Antonio or wherever we were.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  I think we were in San Antonio at that time. San Antonio a day early, so he didn't play me on offense. I played on defense, and we lost. And so, and they were also playing daddy ball, because the QB was also the office coordinator's son, and so, it crushed me, and so, that's what made me switch to QB after that. You know, it was, it was.

• 10:28Fred Taylor?

  Put you in the lab.

• 10:29Speaker 05

  It put me in the lab. Told my dad I don't ever want to have that feeling again, you know, feel like that again. I want to switch to QB and I was crying, crying, crying. And he asked me, are you sure? And I said, yeah. And he asked me again a little later and said, and I said, yeah, again. And from there on out, my dad went to work and he, he put things in place for me. Like I said, nutritionists and how I eat. I ate the same thing every morning after workouts for like three years straight. It was eggs, ham, Ensure with my vitamins every morning. I can remember it and I actually can cook it now because I could just, exactly how he did it.

• 11:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I did that for, I did that for about three, three years until I was about 13, 14. And then I went to high school and took it from there.

• 11:20Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, you're, you're truly the 1%. You know, a lot of times we see and hear stories of parents who invest in their children.

• 11:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:28Fred Taylor?

  Only to hope that they make it to the pros one day. You know, and, and I think it brings me to, I read an article where your father said, look, we're entering the portal because we're chasing our career. This is our career path, professional development. You guys trusting in Lincoln Riley and making sure you put yourself in the best position to be where you are now today. In terms of, of credit, your dad's a former athlete and so is your mother. Like, how much credit do you give your father for, you know, instilling and putting all that trust and faith in you and getting you to the point where you are now?

• 12:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, um, he's taught me a lot, learned a lot from him. From that standpoint, the trust came from, I would say the trust from him, you know, and, and what they instilled to me, I think it, I think it comes straight from that. How good of a job they've done preparing me for situations like this, getting me with the best trainers, getting me with the, you know, best nutritionist staff, getting me. And even when I was younger, uh, my dad allowing me to come to his business, business meetings and skip out of school. Um, I, and. And weirdly enough, you think that you don't learn enough or learn, learn things from that. You know, even though I was playing on his BlackBerry, playing a little game with the little scrolling thing, you know, when you stop playing that for a quick second and, you know, how many meetings

• 12:50Speaker 05

  I went to. His leadership, controlling meetings, watching him work and watch him do things, watch my mom, how charismatic she is, how she loves to take care of everybody. I think it comes from being able to watch them. I think it's something that I do very well, is kind of sitting back and watching and learning. My dad always would say that you don't always have to learn through your own mistakes, you can learn through somebody else's. So that's something that, that I do a lot. And so, learning from other people's mistakes, other people's bad habits, other people's things like that, and, you know, it, it, it keeps me on the right path, it keeps me going because I don't have to learn from my own mistakes, I don't have to learn from, you know, something that, you know, I may have done bad, even though obviously everybody

• 13:33Speaker 05

  does things bad, not the right way, but, you know, learning from other people's mistakes and how, how it can translate to your life and, you know, make yourself better. And so, watching him was, was, was huge for me and watching my mom, of how she loves people, takes care of people, was, was huge for me.

• 13:48Channing Crowder?

  Was, was it okay? Because they invest in a lot of time and I would guarantee a lot of money into you. Could you be like, "Hey, I'm about to slide at this party on Friday night," or "Spring break, I'm about to hit it." Like, were you good?

• 13:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I could, I saw, funny enough, I lived in DC because traveling from Maryland to DC at 5:00 AM, 6:00 AM is an hour and a half ride with, with, with traffic, with no traffic, it's like 25 minutes, 30 minutes. And so, so I actually got an apartment in DC in high school. Parents trusted me with that from, from when I went to high school to the end of my high school career. So I was living there alone. I was able to do anything I wanted to, but the things that they instilled in me, the things that they, you know, trusted me with, and I wasn't. Same person I am now, same person I was then.

• 14:37Speaker 05

  I understand what I've set myself out to do and what I've been set out to do. And so I don't put those things in danger. And I definitely don't put the people around me that may have same goals or similar goals or goals. I don't put those things in danger. So if we went out and it was a Friday, Saturday, after game, and I was in high school, even though I lived by myself and all this other stuff and I had so much freedom, if it was time to go, it was time to go. You rally up your guys, you get up out of wherever you are before it gets too late, before bad things happen or foolishness happens at parties or events and things like that. So it's still the same thing.

• 15:21Ryan Clark?

  How has having some of that freedom, you talk about the preparation of your father, watching your mother, the way that she loves on people, the way that she takes care of people, how have those things played into your leadership? I remember hearing you talk to Lewis Riddick, and he asked you, what are they going to get with Caleb Williams? What do you want to show people? And you said, I want to show how I interact with my guys. I want to show how I can lead. When you look back at your upbringing, your experiences, how have those things influenced you as a leader of a team?

• 15:53Speaker 05

  It's impacted me tremendously through my parents of how they've led me, how they lead people. My mom's also a, she used to be at least, a daycare owner. And so she was always in the daycare treating people, people and kids that weren't hers as if they were hers, and taking care of them, fixing them, her own recipes and foods and things like that that I would eat at home. And then my dad, leading his business meetings. My dad, being a strong-minded, black man that walks to the beat of his own drum, maybe in a profession that many years has not been very, very supportive of black men, been in real estate development for, I guess...

• 16:38Speaker 05

  30 years now, so I think 30 years back, being in real estate development, being successful is, you know, you have to walk to your beat of your own drum. And so in those ways, it's been tremendous for me, for many things that y'all may see me do, or may see in media that I've done for, whether it's my guys, you know, taking my guys to Heisman with me. And then, you know, they weren't coming, I wasn't gonna go, you know, taking the guys to go paintballing just to have fun. No cameras, other than, you know, the little fun montage we made for ourselves, you know, shooting each other with the paintball guns, but nothing was posted, nothing was, you know, other than maybe stories. But, you know, not doing it for anything, to just, you know,

• 17:23Speaker 05

  care for my guys, take care of my guys, enjoy, build relationships and bonds. Because those are the most important things, whether you're a businessman, whether you're a football player, QB, the relationship and bond that you have with your guys is most important.

• 17:38Ryan Clark?

  I think since you won the Heisman, people assumed if you stay healthy, continue to play how you can, you'd be the number one overall pick, or have an opportunity to be. And so from that, you know, there were early articles that you might come back to school. There had been things said that, you know, being drafted number one overall, your father pointed to the situation that Bryce Young was in, who also has an amazing black father, who we interviewed before the draft last year. When you hear some of the vitriol, right, and the pushbacks and criticism of the way your parents have dealt, you know, your father mostly, Carl, has dealt with some of the things as they pertain to you, what have those conversations between you and him been like about ways to handle that?

• 18:22Speaker 05

  Him and I talk, and we have grown man talks about anything and everything, business, family, people, football, teams and coaches. And we have real talks. We don't shy and hide from each other. It's my guy. It's my dog. And, you know, so to have those real grown man talks is really important in our relationship. And so we have those talks about all of it. And it does us...

• 18:54Speaker 05

  A great job, him and I and my family because it also, you know, helps us keep, all of us on the same path, same page, same track. Because that's the most important thing. If you don't have, and the cliche thing is if you don't have those people saying things, if they don't have people speaking on you, if you don't have, you know, whether it's good or bad, of possibly going number one, or something stupid that comes up in social media. If you don't have those things, then everything ain't popping. You really ain't doing something. So if you go and look, I got something probably every day right now. You know, to look at those things in that lens, it makes things a lot easier to deal with.

• 19:38Speaker 05

  There's no extra pressure at it because I know who I am. I know how hard I work. I know what I like, I know what I don't like. I know the people around me.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  And, you know, you take the emotion out of it and you look at it from a different way. And, you know, you deal with it that way.

• 19:54Channing Crowder?

  The social media stuff and the memes and the comments and all, why the hell do you young boys care about that shit?

• 20:00Speaker 05

  I don't care about it. I enjoy responding because it's... I love that. I'm the same way. No, because I enjoy it because it's just like... It's fun. It's fun. Like, it's not, like, it doesn't make me, it doesn't make me think about anything. Like, my most recent, my most recent thing that I put out about the adversity thing, or whatever it was. If it's something where it's somebody's opinions, I don't care. Opinion's our opinion. People have, you know, if you think, if you think somebody's supposed to go number one, cool, whatever. But if you're saying stuff like the adversity thing, you know, and I have facts for you. It was recent, yeah. You know, if there's facts to it, then I'm going to respond.

• 20:41Speaker 05

  And so I put a fact of what adversity means and I put a fact of my last three years in.

• 20:47Channing Crowder?

  You went to the definition. You know when somebody pulls the definition out?

• 20:52Speaker 05

  And I was so bored because I was, I was in Jacksonville. I was done with my meetings through Zoom. I was done with my workouts for the morning. And I was, and I was just laying in bed. I was eating, I was probably eating my bento box kind of snack, middle of the day. And I was bored, so I was laying in bed and I was just bored. And I said it too, I said, "I'm bored right now. I want to respond." And so, yeah, so I responded and I also respond in harmless ways. I don't... Attack people, anything like that, that's not how I do it. I just kind of be a smart ass about it. I went to Gonzaga College High School and I went to the University of Southern California.

• 21:33Speaker 05

  And so, program wise of school, I may not have graduated from USC yet because I'm leaving early, but I'm not a dumb ass.

• 21:41Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I'm smart, motherfucker. I just understand this.

• 21:45Speaker 05

  And people act like they don't, they don't, everybody acts like they don't see it, you know? You do see it, you may not see as much as people think, but you see some stuff. And so, I respond just every once in a while, just for trolls and jokes and to enjoy. I mean, don't make the, don't make, don't make things bigger than, you know, what they are. Don't make it more stressful, don't make it more, you know, pressurized than they are, you know? Enjoy, enjoy life, be who you are and, and, and live on.

• 22:11Fred Taylor?

  Spoken like a true quarterback. I think earlier you, you mentioned relationships and bonds.

• 22:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:18Fred Taylor?

  And I, I spoke about you guys trusting Lincoln Riley.

• 22:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:23Fred Taylor?

  You know, you, you entered a portal strictly for a career path, business decision for the most part. But I'm sure it had to be some sort of culture shock or change from Oklahoma to here in LA. How were you able to maintain and increase your high level of performance to get a Heisman, a Walter Camp, Maxwell Player of the Year, all those different things that followed you?

• 22:47Speaker 05

  When I got here and when I was, you know, I lived in DC, I went to Oklahoma.

• 22:54Speaker 05

  Then I came here and it goes back to this, what my parents instilled in me?

• 22:59Speaker 05

  And understanding this, the place that I want to be, the situation that I want to be in.

• 23:08Speaker 05

  None of this was a culture shock to me because I understood where I was going, what I wanted and how I was going to do and go about it. So I think those are the biggest things because I'm a normal guy, I go out every, rarely.

• 23:25Speaker 05

  You know, I play video games, I like to drive, I'm a foodie, all of that. Like, my other side is football. And so, just a normal guy, I don't get all into the stars and the Hollywood stuff. I kinda, maybe you've seen, I probably never say anything on me because I stay out of everything and out of, you know, the lights and cameras and stuff. And so, as much as I can.

• 23:52Channing Crowder?

  You gotta hit them streets, man.

• 23:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, as much as I can.

• 23:55Channing Crowder?

  He actually doesn't have to hit the streets. Streets, Kayla, what you doing?

• 24:00Speaker 05

  And so, being here, it wasn't a change for me. It wasn't a culture shock because I was, I've been doing the same thing since high school, Oklahoma, and now here. It's, you know, you have a goal in mind, you have things in mind that keep you on path. It keeps you out of all the, you know, the BS that happens. Everybody, when I was coming here from Oklahoma and DC, because I was only in Oklahoma and it's a small town, and then coming from high school, you know, you come to, you come to the big, the big, the big city of LA, you know, everybody's kind of worried about you, everybody's that, this and that, and, you know, you don't get caught up in all this stuff when you're supremely focused on one thing, one goal, one path.

• 24:44Fred Taylor?

  Growing up in DC where you are Redskins now, the Washington Commanders, where you were a fan, maybe you probably even saw RC play out there.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  He's a baby.

• 24:55Fred Taylor?

  I mean, he had the football since he was two.

• 24:57Speaker 05

  He was a child.

• 24:59Fred Taylor?

  He's been holding the ball since he was two.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  He's 22.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  My dad tried to raise me to be a Redskin fan is what I knew it as back then.

• 25:10Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 25:10Speaker 05

  Now, Washington Commanders, I couldn't get into it. I don't have a team now. My team was Green Bay when Aaron Rodgers was there, because of Aaron Rodgers. I'm a player guy and Aaron Rodgers is my guy, but... I couldn't join the bandwagon. I'm still Aaron Rodgers fan. He's still my guy, but I couldn't join the bandwagon of becoming a Jets fan. I just, I couldn't do it. So I'm still an Aaron Rodgers fan. If he's playing for somebody, I'm a root for him and things like that. So that's my answer to that.

• 25:39Ryan Clark?

  You know what happens. You make all these off-platform throws and you do some of the things that you could do with improv and people compare you. Right now, Patrick Mahomes is the gold standard at the position. The closer we get to the draft, you are hearing that comparison more. The Aaron Rodgers comparison. As someone who grew up a fan of Aaron Rodgers, when you hear things like that, what does that make you feel?

• 26:04Speaker 05

  Makes you feel good. So I mimic my game after, you know, it's like the

• 26:08Ryan Clark?

  Kobe MJ.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  It's like the Kobe MJ kind of thing where, you know, you watch and you mimic and you, you know, you, okay, I'm gonna go try this while I'm training. I'm gonna go try this, the little foot pop. I'm gonna try this, you know, throwing my body this way and throwing it back over my head this way and like he did versus the Vikings in between two, three guys with a D in his face and things like that. So when I was like his first, second year in the league, third year in the league. So just, you know, trying things like that at a young age, trying things that Patrick Mahomes does, trying things that, you know, Tom Brady does. Watching Tom Brady and you can see, you can see in his eyes like, okay, this is, this, this, this is a switch that happened when, you know. So it's, like I said,

• 26:50Speaker 05

  sitting back, watching, learning, taking in, you know, what I can take in and adapt to my game in my best way possible and make it my own. And some of it may look like some of what Pat does, some of what Aaron Rodgers does because, I mean, they're the best. And, you know, to be the best, you know, you wanna, you wanna learn from the best. To be a leader, you gotta first be a follower. And so with that, I, you know, I watch those guys. I follow those guys. You know, their steps and things like that. So, you know, to get to that point, to get to where they are, winning Super Bowls, being MVPs or, you know, you know, throwing these crazy passes and things like that is where I wanna be. I wanna win,

• 27:33Speaker 05

  I wanna win Super Bowls. I wanna be up there with those guys competing versus them.

• 27:36Ryan Clark?

  So, growing up, I loved Michael Jordan. He was my favorite basketball player. Then it was Kobe Bryant. Probably because they So closely Kobe mimicked his game so closely also the killer instinct. I tried a lot of times, K, to go outside and do Michael Jordan moves. It ain't work because I wasn't talented enough, right? And so when you say, yeah, some of the things you see in my game does look like who they are and things that they've done, you gotta have a certain talent level to do that. Aaron Rodgers not only talented, but he won a Super Bowl. I know because I was there and I was on the other team, right? And I had planned interceptions for two weeks and I had it right. He just threw it better. You once said, though, you only play this game for championships.

• 28:16Speaker 05

  It's the only reason.

• 28:17Ryan Clark?

  There's nothing else. And this year, you're playing against Washington, Michael Penix Jr. Listen, I got to see you play in person. You were really good. Your defense stunk, right? So it was a lot of times that you guys would play well. You give up points. At the end of that game, you share an emotional moment with your mom. And there's all sorts of criticism about the way that could have been perceived from a leadership standpoint, from an emotional maturity standpoint. You come out and speak on, no, I think it's important that we focus on mental health. I think it's important that you show those emotions. Were you surprised or how surprised were you with some of the fallout from that?

• 28:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, just a little bit, not much because I've, I mean, since I was, since I was four, when I lost, I cried. And so it didn't, it didn't bother me, but the fallout that everybody kinda, kinda, it, I don't know, it struck, it struck gold, I guess, for, for people and things like that. And so one thing about me is my guys know I care. So that's one. And then the second part of that was that one looked so much more than the other ones. Because I mean, I've been on the internet before with, with, with, you know, Jordan crying emoji and right next to my picture and stuff like that.

• 29:34Ryan Clark?

  You got some funny memes.

• 29:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got some funny memes. I do. I, I, my homeboy behind the set sends me all of them. And so, and so, yeah, we, we both die laugh at them, you know? We, when we're sitting here chilling on the couch, we both die laugh at them. And so that one hit home for me because I understood that it was getting to the end point of the year.

• 29:58Speaker 05

  I wasn't able to reach a championship and possibly my last game or one of my last games. And so that's why that one hit so heavy and why it was so, it looked so exaggerating and things like that because it hit me really hard right after the game because I understood my college career and my guys that I've been with, you know, for three years, two years is coming to an end for me and going 6-3 at that time, you understand that there's no national championship. And so, especially in college, it beat me up pretty bad right there in that moment. So that's why it looks like that. But one thing, like I said, my guys know I care and winning is the most important thing to me.

• 30:39Speaker 05

  I appreciate all the awards, but I will say this about the awards, none of y'all saw me cry when I got the awards.

• 30:45Channing Crowder?

  You choked up at the Heisman.

• 30:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was talking about my mom, I choked up.

• 30:49Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay.

• 30:50Speaker 05

  But I didn't, I didn't, you didn't see no tears?

• 30:51Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, he right.

• 30:53Ryan Clark?

  Is that one of those things though, like you feel the emotion because like I have, I've had it before, like you feel the emotion, you're able to fight the emotion and then you see the one person you could be most vulnerable with.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  I was actually, like I knew we lost because the game, I mean, it was like 10 seconds left.

• 31:10Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 31:11Speaker 05

  And I was sitting, I was sitting over there just like, and I was, I mean, I was beat up, I was defeated right there in that moment. I was good, I didn't have it, I didn't, I didn't start doing all of that until I got up there. And so I was walking over to her, I was good, I was good, I was good. Then I hopped up and I touched my mom and I just, I just lost it. Because in my mind, I was going through everything I was going through, I was like, I mean, this is, this is the, you know, coming near the end for me, I can't even, you know, I can't get to the Pac-12 championship, I can't go to playoffs, the national championship. And then now, you know, I'm just contemplating like this is, you know, it's in. And so I was good, I was good, I was good. And then I got up, I jumped up, as soon as I jumped up and I leaned back and I touched her, I just, I could, it just went.

• 31:56Ryan Clark?

  You could tell she felt it too, she put the...

• 31:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, as soon as she felt me like, yeah, she just put the thing over me. Shout out to that little kid, little kid, it was actually a little kid supposed to that. I met him after the game too. Yeah, so I lost it once, once she touched me and I, yeah, so that's how it went.

• 32:12Channing Crowder?

  Bruh, now you gotta cry in the league.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't...

• 32:15Channing Crowder?

  You said the president of crying, you gotta keep crying.

• 32:17Ryan Clark?

  They gonna think he don't care about winning.

• 32:19Speaker 05

  They don't think I care about winning, nah. But there is a time and a place for it and understanding.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  You know, even if it's not, I mean, it's raw emotion. It comes out right then and there. But being able to control that, hold it in, maybe till you get home, maybe till you, you know, whatever the case may be. Because it, I mean, it affects me. It bothers me tremendously. And so, you know, that's what wakes you up every day, gets you up every day, gets me up every day.

• 32:47Fred Taylor?

  He gonna have a suite now, Freddie T. His momma not gonna be that close to the field.

• 32:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:52Fred Taylor?

  I ain't gonna even see it.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  I don't see it.

• 32:54Ryan Clark?

  Turn around and get that.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  I see, I see what it is.

• 32:57Fred Taylor?

  Right, gonna need binoculars. Hey, well, but no, crying is okay.

• 33:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, no.

• 33:02Fred Taylor?

  Like you said, it's a raw emotion.

• 33:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:04Fred Taylor?

  You know, sometimes you do it uncontrollably and you go out and have a crazy game.

• 33:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:09Fred Taylor?

  You know, I remember being there a few times, just on the sideline crying for no reason. Like, what's going on? Those were the times I probably had my best game. But you mentioned, well, RC mentioned Michael Penix Jr., Bo Nix. Those guys are in your draft class.

• 33:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:24Fred Taylor?

  They got you last year. So you got plenty of time to pound back. But just those guys, like, what do you see in quarterbacks like that? Guys that are, you know, on the other side of the field. You going out there to compete against them. Penix, Bo Nix. And I also want to throw in another young player you played last year, Shador Sanders. You know, a lot of Heisman talk considerations. Like, if you had to kind of break down those games, what do you see in those type of players coming from the quarterback side?

• 33:54Speaker 05

  I met Bo Nix, Michael Penix, and Shador at the Pac-12 Media Day. Met them all there. Obviously, we kept it cordial and things like that. There's no hate or anything like that between any of us. But they're not, you know, my friends and things like that. Because I got to go out there, whatever date it was, to go handle business. And so, that's how they, you know, they probably deemed it as too. So, Michael Penix, out of this draft class, is one of my, you know, my favorite QBs. I mean, the dude could flat out spin it.

• 34:26Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  I say it to people when they ask me, who's your top list? Michael Penix is up there. I've seen him do it, you know, right in front of me, spin it. You know, you've seen it on TV. And things like that. So he's one of my favorite guys in this draft class. Bo Nix, Mr. Efficient. He's efficient. He's an efficient guy. We were playing with him or playing against him. You know, was throwing the ball very well, very efficiently. So there was running backs, you know, deep balls, intermediate, things like that. So they got us. They had a good defense, too. I'm excited to see what they do this year. I know they were kind of in the same process as us.

• 35:04Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 35:05Speaker 05

  I guess three years ago now, kind of in a rebuild, you know, for their first year. So excited to see what they do and going against. I don't even know what conference they're in anymore now.

• 35:17Ryan Clark?

  Big 12.

• 35:18Speaker 05

  Who's in, yeah, Big 12, going against those guys and getting after it. So new landscape of college and with Shador still being in college and then these other guys going. So I'm excited for all of them.

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• 35:59Ryan Clark?

  There's a saying, right? Every day is an interview. And that's how I live life, right? Anybody you meet, everybody you talk to, I feel like you're constantly being critiqued.

• 36:08Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 36:08Ryan Clark?

  And that conversation is going to carry somewhere else. Whether I shake your hand, Alicia's hand, Megan's hand, somebody's going to say, okay, I met Ryan Clark and this is what I got from him. You decided to not do medical or workout at the combine. But still, you were one of the last people to leave the field. And there's a video of you shaking everyone's hand. I don't know what you were saying to them, whether you were thanking them, just. You know, saying goodbye or any of those things, but that said a lot to me about the person. We're gonna, we're gonna hear about the leader, we're gonna hear about the, the quarterback. I could turn on the film, I know what he looks like. Unfortunately, I had to see it twice, my son played for us on the state. You know, so I was there twice. I remember you threw a jump pass from the end zone in the cover two. It's a 6'3" corner.

• 36:52Speaker 05

  Over top of.

• 36:53Ryan Clark?

  And I was like, this is a pick. Yeah, I was like, this is a pick. It's like, nobody though, that's like, that's just a stupid pass. And then it's completed, and I remember talking to my son after the game, I was like, yeah, he's the one.

• 37:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:04Ryan Clark?

  Right, I was like, if you can do things like that, he's the one. But, all of those things still will never outweigh who the person is.

• 37:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:12Ryan Clark?

  You know, and that said a lot about you to me, that you were willing to do that. Truly, was that something you had a conversation about? Or was it just a reaction to the person that Caleb Williams is in that sort of environment?

• 37:26Speaker 05

  I didn't have any conversations with anybody, I shook all the, as I did here today, I shook and dapped up everybody. As I came in, all the combine people, um, all the, all the, um, all the teams and their general managers, down to their, you know, their scouts and whoever was in the building and, and, and, and meeting rooms when I was there. So, no, I just always have respect for people. My dad doesn't tolerate disrespect, that was instilled in me. I hate disrespect, and my mom is a daycare owner, so this goes pretty heavily into daycare, this is the golden rule. Treating people with respect and also the golden rule go hand in hand, and so that's, you know, that's kinda how you, you deal with it.

• 38:06Speaker 05

  Nobody talked to me about media, or nobody talked to me about doing that with, you know, shaking everybody's hands, or standing after and, and, or just treating people well. Um, no, it's just kinda how I go about my, my, my daily life.

• 38:21Ryan Clark?

  How does Caleb Williams handle disrespect though? Like that, I am a respect person.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:27Ryan Clark?

  I am ultra polite, because I wanna make sure that if someone disrespects me, they had to work for it.

• 38:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:34Ryan Clark?

  Right, that they had to force themselves into disrespecting me, so now if I slap them, I don't feel bad.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  I don't feel no way.

• 38:40Ryan Clark?

  Right, so how does Caleb Williams handle disrespect?

• 38:42Speaker 05

  I just can't slap nobody, but.

• 38:44Ryan Clark?

  Well, you're gonna have too much money. How have you learned to deal with disrespect? Because you've gotten a lot of it, whether it be internet, you know, but also just people speaking about you as they analyze your game and the person that you are.

• 39:04Speaker 05

  I don't mind confronting people. That's one. Two, and that's more on the, you know, if I know people, if I'm gonna have to see people around, whatever the case may be, I don't mind confronting people. Guys on other teams and stuff, I keep quiet. I hold grudges, I hold all of that. And so when I see you, I'll remember it. And so when we get on the field and things like that, you'll hear from me. And so that's the football aspect of it. And the other side of it is kind of how I deal with the media stuff. You know, if it's just somebody that, you know, just wants to say something, has an opinion, whatever.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  But if it's somebody that has some influence, I'm not one to sit back and allow you to tarnish what I've earned and worked for and how I live my everyday life, which is with respect, caring and love and taking care of people and working hard. And so, you know, people coming out and saying stuff that have influence. So say if I didn't meet you, or even if I did meet you and you came out, you had an opinion, all good, you know, you say what you want to say. But if you say things that isn't true, say things that, especially after you meet me or met me, that isn't true, then you'll hear from me.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  And so whether it's through publicly or whether it's through actually me just reaching out, if I had your number, you get a call from me. If I didn't have your number and it was posted, you hear from me publicly. And so that's kind of how I deal with it.

• 40:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I say in doing the job, I try not to speak to people's intent and character. Because the film doesn't tell me that. I can only speak about what the film says. Now, in knowing you, I can be like, hey, Caleb, this is what I saw. What did you think? And if you tell me now, or I see that wasn't it, then that's what I go with. There was speculation and people tried to make it, oh, somebody else might go number one. We've known this the entire time, right? Ryan Poles and the Chicago Bears trade away Justin Fields. On that day, when that happens, what's your first thought?

• 41:15Speaker 05

  I was in the car, I was driving to a business meeting. And I'm listening to music, bobbing my head, I probably have on, probably got on Drake. And I'm chilling, I'm in, uh,

• 41:29Speaker 05

  I'm in West Hollywood area driving to a business meeting and all I see is my, I mean, my phone explodes, whether it's actually just regular fans, or whether it's ESPN, whether it's, you know, whatever the case may be, and I, I pick up my phone and it's, it's going off and I'm trying to figure out what's, I mean, what just happened, because it, it went from just nothing, and maybe a couple of tags to just like, phone just do do do do do. I end up calling a couple of people and it's just like, it's like, well, we know where their mind and heart is at, at this, at this instance. Let's, let's prepare, get ready and, and, and handle things, you know, accordingly, um, and, and, you know, still do our, you know, due diligence on the situation and

• 42:12Speaker 05

  things like that, but in that moment, it was just like, it was kind of like, wow, because I haven't, I didn't do my top thirty, you know, visit yet, they didn't have my medicals and things like that, so, uh, they have it all now, but, it's nothing, but it was, you know, and had a good time with my top thirty, but, yeah, it was, it was interesting right then in that moment, because I, it was just so unexpected in that, in that instance.

• 42:34Channing Crowder?

  The most, I would say, pressure, you're just so cool, so I want to say the pressure of it, but just different times, coming off the Heisman, you know, Heisman season, going to the next season, or transferring, having to, you know, I would say, prove yourself at USC, or now jump to that next level, like, the pressure on you or the excitement, I would say, from you, at what level is, is, is the biggest one, or where was that, that time where you like, you might have been up a little late at night, or you were just like, I, I, I gotta get this?

• 43:01Speaker 05

  I set my goals. Um, I set my, my season goals every year, and then I set, I set my long-term goals.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Other than that, I mean, chasing those things or trying to get those things don't bother me across my mind as much, whether that's, you know, the way I walk, where I talk, how I act, how I treat people, and then how I get on that field and how it's a different, it's a different, you know, it's a different person. You know, that's kind of how I, kind of how I go about it. So I don't, you know, the, the, the, I gotta get it, gotta get all those things. Like I set number one, I set, I set number one on my list a long time ago. It's, it's, and once I hit them or once I pass them and can't do them again,

• 43:53Speaker 05

  I, I, I, I remove them. And once I, either once I achieve them or once I, you know, pass them. Your list is your screensaver? Yeah. My list is my screensaver and...

• 44:04Ryan Clark?

  Can I see it?

• 44:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure.

• 44:07Ryan Clark?

  I mean...

• 44:08Speaker 05

  They should know.

• 44:09Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you know, yeah, don't do that now.

• 44:12Speaker 05

  I wonder if you got some pictures of that?

• 44:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, so...

• 44:16Ryan Clark?

  It is in there.

• 44:17Speaker 05

  My everyday screensaver. I've had, I've had, I have a few other ones on here.

• 44:23Channing Crowder?

  He's way more focused than I ever was.

• 44:25Ryan Clark?

  He's way more focused than you are now.

• 44:29Speaker 05

  Without a doubt. This was, this was, uh, last year, so I change it every year depending on what I can and cannot reach. Don't get bored with consistency? Oh, yeah. Those are my reminders for me, for myself. But I set my goals, I have certain quotes, and then I get after it. You know, if I do, if I, I feel as if I do these things, so if I won a Heisman, if I won a second Heisman last year, and I won a national championship, then all the self-goals, and I try and preach this to, to some of my guys and, and the team and stuff, that, you know, if we've reached these, these team goals, all your self-goals get accomplished. So set your self-goals, but achieving reach for a team goal, because all our self-goals get, they all get swept

• 45:11Speaker 05

  under that. And so, you know, that's how I kind of, how I do it for team-wise, and then obviously some of the self-goals, like the first pick is a, is a self-goal. Super Bowls is a team goal, so all the MVPs get swiped under that, all the Super Bowl MVPs get swiped under that, all the passing yard leaders, all the, you know, whatever, whatever case maybe gets swiped under that, under that list. And so that's kind of how I, how I do my goals. So getting it always ends up being getting... The team goal for me.

• 45:37Ryan Clark?

  Would a nail say number one pick next week?

• 45:40Speaker 05

  Probably.

• 45:41Channing Crowder?

  Navy. I'll tell him because I don't talk behind his back. I don't like the colored nails.

• 45:45Ryan Clark?

  That's cool.

• 45:49Channing Crowder?

  That's just Channing. He's just Channing. Jimmy Butler does it too.

• 45:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's fine.

• 45:54Channing Crowder?

  He paints his nails.

• 45:55Speaker 05

  That's fine.

• 45:55Ryan Clark?

  Kid from Duke got a huge deal because of it. You said that you're gonna be clean this week. And you said, wait till you see what I got, what I wear. You had the Gucci suit. But you said, and your ladies.

• 46:09Speaker 05

  It's better than that.

• 46:10Ryan Clark?

  So do we, can we get a preview here, what you're gonna be wearing?

• 46:14Speaker 05

  The suit is gonna be navy blue.

• 46:17Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  Some of the accents are gonna be silver.

• 46:22Speaker 05

  It's not, it's very classy. It's very Ryan Clark.

• 46:27Ryan Clark?

  Gosh. He can come on the show.

• 46:30Channing Crowder?

  Anytime.

• 46:31Speaker 05

  Ryan Clark suit.

• 46:33Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 05

  But it is, but it is unique in the details of it. So when you see it, when you see it, it's very classy. It's very, it's very, I'm going into a business meeting. But it's also like, it's me. I'm number one.

• 46:50Ryan Clark?

  Have you thought of that moment, though? I know Roger has a back injury. I expect that he'll be there. But when you hear Caleb Williams, when your name, you're the first pick of the 2024 NFL Draft.

• 47:02Speaker 05

  The, yes, I do. I say it to myself. Just like I say, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out there and win. For every game, I tell myself I've already won. Because it's always a self-build, a self-confidence thing. Confidence is huge when, you know, being in a position of, you know, QB. Or being in a position of, you know, a guy that, you know, you want to go out there and, you know, win games, win big games and things like that. So, you know, have your own self-confidence and then, you know, feeding that into your guys. I have it on the, on the list right here. I do think of that. I always, I always like to speak things also into it. Have it in my mind consistently, speak it out loud, say it to myself.

• 47:46Speaker 05

  I say it in the car, I smile about it. And, you know, I do it, I do it, you know, kind of often.

• 47:53Fred Taylor?

  Your life is certainly gonna change as soon as they call your name. In a very positive and a good way. We've been fortunate to have, you're the third Heisman winning quarterback that we've had on here. We've had Bryce, we've had Jaden, yourself. We've also had CJ Stroud on here, who was runner up to Heisman. Looking at what CJ was able to do in his rookie year, does that excite you? Letting you know that you can potentially do the same thing? Does it give you better confidence? How do you, like, what sort of feedback?

• 48:29Speaker 05

  I want to do better. That's my, that's my, my thing. I, you know, and the plan is to go, if that's, if that's the plan is for the Bears to draft me, my plan is to go as far as you can possibly go, all the way to February. And until that, until, you know, things go the opposite way, then you deal with it. But, you know, they draft me, my plan is to go work, work my ass off, get after it, get in the playbook really heavily and, you know, handle things the way things need to be handled. Mentally, physically, nutrition and treatment and, you know, sleep and all of that. Handle all of that the way it needs to be handled and get as far as I can and, you know,

• 49:13Speaker 05

  and close as I can to February, probably, what, 12th, 13th of next year, NOLA?

• 49:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, my hometown, man.

• 49:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:23Channing Crowder?

  Bro, you got an old lady, man. You can't play video games in bent, bentel boxes all day.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:28Channing Crowder?

  You got an old lady?

• 49:29Speaker 05

  I got an old lady.

• 49:29Channing Crowder?

  Okay. It's about to get, yeah.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  I got an old lady. Yeah, so I've known her for, for six years. I haven't been dating her for six years. I've known her for six years. She moved back home to Europe. She was from Europe, Danish. And I've known her for six years. She moved from DC because her dad had a job in DC. Moved from DC back home. So I met her in DC at the end of her tenure. We dated for a little bit, then we ended it. Kept in, or strong communication throughout four years and then we're back dating again, so.

• 50:03Channing Crowder?

  That's cool. Boy, you just heard, you just heard some, some Chicago and LA women's feelings.

• 50:07Ryan Clark?

  So USC's over here, right?

• 50:09Speaker 05

  The red building's over there.

• 50:11Ryan Clark?

  So the red building's over there?

• 50:12Speaker 05

  You can see the stadium.

• 50:13Ryan Clark?

  Oh wow, yeah, so you can see the stadium from your apartment. The kid that had an apartment in high school, right? The Gonzaga.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  It was just like this, but not as high.

• 50:23Ryan Clark?

  I was about to ask you, did you ever though, like, dream, because you're looking at your phone and you, the way that you're setting your goals. Did you dream of things like this? Being able to have a place that looks over the stadiums that you play in?

• 50:39Speaker 05

  No, I just, I dreamed of championships. I know championships, thing is for me, I know that all of that brings everything.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  And full circle. So the self-goals of football, but it also brings, it also brings everything else. And so with that, with that understanding, I mean, you just keep playing ball, you keep having fun, you keep loving it, keep digging in and win, just, just win. And, and, and it does a lot for you. Football's taught me more than many, many people in my life. It's been an honor to play football for, for as long as I've been able to play. And it's been a long time coming to be in this position. And it's gonna be even longer time coming to be in the position that I want to be in in, in many years from now. So I never dreamed of living in the sky rise.

• 51:31Speaker 05

  I may dream of like living in places. Like I, I didn't want to live in LA. I didn't never, I never dreamed of kind of living like this. I want to dream of living out, I dream of living out the country also when I'm done playing and disappearing like Tim Duncan.

• 51:46Speaker 05

  I didn't dream of this. I dreamed of just being my best, being number one, being the best in the world and, and, and winning. That's, that's kind of how my life goes. Everything for me is winning, whether I'm playing one of my favorite card games, Monopoly Deal. Or whether I'm playing video games, or whether I'm playing, you know, out there at Coliseum, or maybe, maybe in, maybe in Chicago, so.

• 52:11Ryan Clark?

  If you are the number one pick, Keenan Allen, who is now a Chicago Bear, was at your pro day.

• 52:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:16Ryan Clark?

  DJ Moore played extremely well last year, Cole Komet. Ryan Poles and the Chicago Bears have tried, at least, and to me succeeded, in making Chicago a place that has, has the requisite pieces

• 52:30Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 52:30Ryan Clark?

  to have a young quarterback be successful.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 52:34Ryan Clark?

  If that is the case, if and when, I think when we hear Caleb Williams' name, name called first. How does he help Chicago win its first championship since 1985?

• 52:49Speaker 05

  Eighty-five Bears. One is through my care, one for football, one for my teammates, but also something that I've done myself is, community-wise, bringing the whole landscape together. I did it at Gonzaga. I've done it here at USC. I mean, we've sold out games here at USC, and that hasn't been done in a couple of years. Bringing the fans back, bringing the love and joy. One of the things that I get a lot is kind of what we spoke

• 53:29Speaker 05

  about when I first sat down is I get a lot of thank yous from USC fans and people around the city, not just at the games, but I mean, I'll be at, I don't know, I'll be at Honor Bar in Bev Hills, and I get a random thank you for doing this for USC. So bringing the community and showing my care for all three levels of, for myself, football, for my teammates, and then for the community that makes, I mean, that makes game days, the game, everything, the city lively and fun and enjoyable and all of that. That's kind of three things is

• 54:10Speaker 05

  care. Care goes a long way. Places that love football, places that care about football, places that have the same goals and aspirations in mind.

• 54:21Fred Taylor?

  Caleb, the beauty of the pivot of this show is we get an opportunity to meet amazing people as guests, and also get an opportunity to explore their lives and allow them an opportunity to speak to that, and not just give the fans or viewers snippets, much like what you usually see or hear in interviews. It seems that you've been set up for success, and to this point, you've succeeded. But there's always some sort of adversity that we go through in life.

• 54:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:54Fred Taylor?

  That has helped us to get there, which leads me to our question we ask all of our guests.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  Freddie T, before you ask that, I know you're gonna ask that. Freddie T, this man ain't go through adversity, didn't you see it? This man's never been.

• 55:04Fred Taylor?

  But that's, that's.

• 55:05Speaker 05

  That's how stupid people are.

• 55:07Fred Taylor?

  That's how.

• 55:08Speaker 05

  That's how stupid people are.

• 55:09Fred Taylor?

  That's, that's, that's the beauty of, you know, just sitting here this for however long we have been and hearing your story. Yet no one, like, they don't always get that part of it. Like, that's why we ask the guests, so they can tell them that part. And usually our younger people, our younger guests, like pivot, I haven't probably gotten to that point yet, right? So I guess your biggest pivot in life, which is that one moment that you can go back and say, this is the moment that changed everything, or the one adverse moment which has led to me being Caleb Williams one. But before you answer that, this book, Only One You, I hear your mother was holding on to it.

• 55:49Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:50Fred Taylor?

  What's the significance in a reminder that this book serves for you?

• 55:55Speaker 05

  When I look in the mirror, make sure you enjoy and love the man that's looking back at you. That's the most important thing for yourself as a, as a person, a human, throughout this chaotic thing we call life. And so enjoying and loving the man or woman, or, you know, whatever the case may be, of whoever's looking back in that mirror, no matter if it's, you know, social media hates you, loves you, or there's the people around you hates you, loves you. When you look in that mirror and you wake up, you brush your teeth, or you, you, you say your affirmations, you say this and that about, about yourself, whatever the case may be, when you hear your own voice that you love that person, person. So there's only one you.

• 56:38Speaker 05

  And so take care of that person mentally, physically, and emotionally. And then, and then, and then the pivot part, the pivot part of that question is, I would say, they've all been about football for me, because it's been, I mean, I can remember the team and the coach that coached me when I first started. I can't remember the school that I was at, nor the teachers. So that's how much football is, you know.

• 57:04Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 57:05Speaker 05

  What it does to me and for me and taught me. And so I got two, is when I lost to Harrison Bailey, pivoted my, my mental, my life and, and.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  An anomaly way that it not many people at that age figure out what they want to do. And I told my dad, this is what I want to do. This is what I want to be. And then I got benched. My, so I reclassed. So I got benched my first eighth grade year.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  Going into, going into, to the championship game. Because I, I played other positions before and I could get angry. I can get this and that. And I can go and express that anger, you know, that, that y'all may understand, you know, playing safety and defense and things like that. You can come and you could just release that anger. But being QB, you had to control it and use it and manipulate that, that anger and energy. And so at that age, I didn't understand. So I got benched by Mark and Russ, my two mentors. And I'll never forget it. The QB that came in, Sky. The only time we scored that game was I came in for a trick play. And we scored, threw it to Keith, one of my best friends still to the day, to this day.

• 58:20Speaker 05

  I threw it to him. He, he ran down the right sideline and it scored. So it's the only time we, we, we, we scored that game. It was championship game and it, and we lost by a lot. And it, it, it jacked me up. Cause I, I, I did that to myself and to my team. And so I was never again. And so you rarely ever see me raise and get out of, you know.

• 58:49Ryan Clark?

  Get out of character.

• 58:50Speaker 05

  Get out of character. And there's times for it now that I've got no way to understand that. But I got out of character for too much of it, slammed my helmet and things like that. And next game I didn't play and stuff for that one play. And so, yeah, so that happened. So that's my, that's my, that's my two when I was younger that changed my life. And then the most recent one was Oklahoma when I didn't start.

• 59:12Speaker 05

  That one, that one, that one was real tough for me because.

• 59:15Ryan Clark?

  When you made a decision to go to Oklahoma and Spencer Rattler was already there.

• 59:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:20Ryan Clark?

  And that was, I'm just, at the time, when you made a decision to go to Oklahoma.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:26Ryan Clark?

  Spencer Rattler was a projected first round pick.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:30Ryan Clark?

  The next year.

• 59:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:31Ryan Clark?

  You had to pivot because they decided to start the guy that was supposed to be a first round pick that year. Is what you're saying?

• 59:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:41Ryan Clark?

  Why'd you choose to go there?

• 59:45Speaker 05

  Development?

• 59:47Ryan Clark?

  So you thought that-

• 59:48Speaker 05

  Knowing that Lincoln was the best in the country.

• 59:52Ryan Clark?

  So why did it hurt you though that the-

• 59:54Speaker 05

  Because I was the best in the country.

• 59:58Ryan Clark?

  Explain that to me. You make a decision to go to the school that has a starter that's coming back, that's supposed to be a first-round pick.

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  I told many people before I went there, and there's a backstory to it also, I was so fired up. I told people before I went there that I was gonna start and play and beat them out. I thought I'd beat them out in spring, and he was projected number one and all of that. So he started for six games, and so I prepared. I kept preparing. Lincoln told me, "Keep going." It's something that I didn't understand. Those two words, I did not understand when he told me, because I wasn't asking him, I wasn't coming to him to beg for playing time. I never came to him. I came to him and asked him, "How do I do it? How do I beat this dude out?"

• 1:00:47Speaker 05

  Because I never, he never let me get reps with the first team. He never let me get reps with the older guys and things like that. So I took advantage of my reps. I got after it. I put my head down. And at a certain point, I felt like I beat them out. And I got to, at some point, and I went up and asked Link again. I said, "How do I do it? How do I beat them out? What can I do to put myself in a position that I believe that I should be in and want to be in and trying to get to?" And so he told me, "Keep going." He didn't give me any other advice. So that's his words that he told me. And at the time, I was so angry, so frustrated, because I didn't feel like...

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  I didn't feel like that was, that wasn't what I wanted to hear. Because I felt like I was the best. I felt like I could have helped us win all the games, getting more reps, getting later in the season, and I'm ready for those moments later in the season. So I didn't get those reps. So I kept preparing as best that I could. So when I had my moment, there was no way that he was ever gonna get it back. So it goes back to the, I watched and learned Tom Brady.

• 1:01:58Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59Speaker 05

  For Drew Bledsoe is when you prepare, you prepare it. When you get your moment, because you never know how long it's gonna be. You never know what's gonna happen. When you get your moment, you don't give it back. And so that was my mindset and plan. And I went there saying that I was gonna beat them out. And I felt as if I did, it didn't happen. So I had to pivot. I had to change. I had to keep going and adjust to what the position I was in. Be the same person every day. But when I got my shot.

• 1:02:24Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  There was never, there was not gonna, nothing else was gonna happen other than me being the guy.

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• 1:02:59Ryan Clark?

  Can you take me back to the, because I've been wanting to ask this. I've been trying not to be a football nerd, because I am. Fourth and one, playing against Kansas.

• 1:03:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Ryan Clark?

  Guys are, I think, more than 20-point favorites. The game is tight. Think y'all up by like five at this point.

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  That game was so weird.

• 1:03:16Ryan Clark?

  Can you take me through the handing the football off? And how it eventually got back in your hands?

• 1:03:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. So before the play, Lincoln calls this play where I don't even, I don't, I don't have an option to do anything with the ball. I have to hand it and disappear. Maybe get a block.

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  So I look at Lincoln and he's giving me a play. And Lincoln and I, you know, we had a great relationship. We were, we were, we were one. And uh... He gave me the play and I look at him and I'm like, I'm shaking my head, no. If you go back and watch, I end up, I pat on my chest, I'm like, give me the ball. We will get this first down if you give me the ball.

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  And he looked at me, he was like, no. And he goes, he throws his hands up, palms up, me with the paper in hand, his little square paper. And I'm still saying no, and he goes, and he gives me, he gives me that, he gives me the play again. And when he gives me the play again, I'm like, okay. And I was, I was angry, I was, I was, I was actually furious. And I'm like, okay. And I hand it off, I call the play, give everybody the play, wide receivers, O-line, running back, and hand it off. We have a split, a split tight end coming back, or a fullback coming back to block the backside end. I think he trips, or something happens to where, you know, the DN, and then there's an edge guy coming around, so, you know, whatever happens, hands it off, that happens.

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  And then he gets, he gets stopped behind the line of scrimmage. And so we work on got to have, as we work on, and so I understood it was fourth down, I understood the situation. And so, I mean, if anything bad happened, it was already fourth down.

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  So they stopped us, we were going to stop right there. If we fumble, we just fumble right there. You know, whatever case, it was going to be a turnover on downs, so I, you know, I just went in. I didn't know the rule, to be honest with you, I didn't know, I just, I just went play ball. Backyard football, when you, everybody gets in a, in a little, you know, little jump, where you grabbing for the ball, you get out, and now you're like, now it's time to go score. And everybody's grabbing on your legs and feet and things like that, so that's what it was. I've reached in there, just, just got to have it, you know, kind of heads up, kind of play, just get the first down best, you know, best way possible, easy way possible at that time, and so. When you took the ball, I thought I was going to score. Because when I, when I took it, I could, when I first started taking it, I could see that nobody was there. Right.

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  And the one dude that tackled me, if he didn't tackle me, I was going to score. Because he got my legs and I, and then so, yeah, but.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, so that was that, that was that, that unique moment in one.

• 1:05:53Ryan Clark?

  No, that was, that was dope. Then the last thing I want to ask, because I just got to ask football questions. And I've said it, and maybe you've seen it, I have been the, I have pushed Caleb Williams since. Because when you see somebody in person, it's different.

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Ryan Clark?

  You know, like, I've watched the film, and I've seen the games. I went back and watched Notre Dame last year, because I want to see, okay, what were they doing defensively? How did the pressure affect them? But sometimes when you see it in person, you just know.

• 1:06:18Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:18Ryan Clark?

  But I watched your pro day, and it was extremely strategic. A lot of times, a pro day is, okay, let me let him do the things that are eye-popping. We saw it with, um, who was it? Zach Wilson. He's rolling to the left, throwing across his body. We see all those things. I've watched you do those things in live time. So your pro day wasn't about that. It was about your feet. It was showing that you could throw.

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  It was going back to the trolling, kind of smart-ass me, because everybody wants to... If you go look at the stats, I have a screenshot of it. If you go look at the stats, and on average, I am the most dead center even dude for scrambling and throwing in the pocket.

• 1:06:58Speaker 05

  It's just, I make more highlights, and so that's what they show. Um, but dead even stat of scramble to, to, to, to pocket. I am the most dead even on the farthest end of the spectrum from anybody else. As we know, X and Y axis, I am the farthest from all of them, um, in every single way. Um, and so to all of the people, um, I can do anything and everything as I want, um, and as my team needs, and, uh, and whatever it takes to win a game. Um, and so, that's that.

• 1:07:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, I was watching, and I laughed, because I was on TV that day.

• 1:07:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:40Ryan Clark?

  And I was like, dude's just trying to prove a point.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's all, that's, you know, I can do anything and everything my team needs me to do, and more. And that pro day, I did one boot naked, just to make sure everybody understood that. I played thirty-some games, and no, I'm not injured, because I haven't shown my medicals yet. So I did one boot, full speed, throwing the flat to my running back. After that, everything else was drop-back and, and, and in the pocket play action. But it was very, it was put together for that reason, um, to show everybody. And also, I'm not here to wow you on pro day. I'm not here to... I'm not, I don't, I'm not here to wow you on game day. I'm here to win games and do whatever it takes. So if it's a wild play, then it's a highlight wild play. Other than that, kick rocks.

• 1:08:26Fred Taylor?

  And then you put together Legos as well?

• 1:08:30Speaker 05

  So that's a, that's a, I'm just, that's a group, that's a group, that takes a long time. It's a group project from everybody. Some of my friends, like Jalen, my girlfriend, Meg, John, myself, a bunch of other people. But yes, we put together some Legos. They're pretty, pretty sick though.

• 1:08:49Channing Crowder?

  No, that's. Y'all have Lego parties?

• 1:08:51Speaker 05

  It's not a Lego party, it's just, you know.

• 1:08:55Speaker 05

  I mean, you may be able to call it a Lego party. We'll sit down and we'll, we will, we will literally sit down for, like, everybody, because it's separate books. When you do those, those, those Legos, so there's separate books. And it has steps, and so everybody gets like a book, a booklet, and everybody does those. And then when you get to, you know, when you finish the book, you add it on top of the other person's, like.

• 1:09:18Channing Crowder?

  But we gotta go out tonight, I'm gonna show you some things.

• 1:09:22Ryan Clark?

  Hey, Tim, I've been out a few times. Tim, we trying, we trying to keep him number one overall. You the last person.

• 1:09:28Channing Crowder?

  Don't invite me to the Lego party.

• 1:09:31Channing Crowder?

  It's coming, I tell you now.

• 1:09:33Fred Taylor?

  This is it for me, I know we gotta wrap. You're right. What, yes, what is it like to share the campus with Juju Watkins and Bryny James? They're just super, you don't even have to say y'all last name. Caleb, Juju, Bry. That's crazy.

• 1:09:47Speaker 05

  It's cool, it's cool, it's cool, it's cool. It, it really is, just because, a big reason on why I came to USC is for that reason. It's not to be with them, it's to, it's because there's people like that on campus. You know, when you go to Alabama, when you go to, and, and kudos in it, but when you go to Alabama, when you go to, um, Oklahoma, when you go to, you know, schools like that. The small towns and then you don't get to go to a restaurant. Like, I mean, I would go to restaurants in Oklahoma and I, you know, and, and it's, it's cool. I'm always nice, polite, respective, but everybody, when you, you know, you just want to throw in some sweats and go to a restaurant and stuff like that, you just want to throw in some sweats and go to a restaurant.

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  So sometimes it was, you know, sometimes it was like, alright, like, you know, I'm just gonna stay in the house and order some food in and, and things like that. So, you know, here, being on campus like that, you can, you can walk around campus and, you know, you may get, you may or may not get bothered, but it's, it's not, you know, percentage wise, it's not every day, it's not, things like that. And having people like that on campus, having people like LeBron, Kim Kardashian, people like that in LA. It's like, you know, you, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a tadpole. Small fish.

• 1:11:02Ryan Clark?

  You're a quarterback.

• 1:11:03Speaker 05

  I'm a tadpole.

• 1:11:04Ryan Clark?

  You get to be a quarterback here. Um, you don't have an agent?

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 1:11:10Ryan Clark?

  Lamar Jackson famously went the same route, two-time MVP. And there was some, not necessarily pushback on it, but there was criticism when he couldn't get his deal done or when his deal wasn't getting done, that that was a piece of it.

• 1:11:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:25Ryan Clark?

  How much did you weigh some of that into your decision to not do it?

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  It's something that everybody says and as y'all know, um, no matter how many games you win, no matter how good you are, no matter, all of that NFL is still put together as a business. Um, and so am I. Um, and so, um, I have, I don't have an agent. I have other things in place. Um, I have my lawyers, I have my attorneys, I have my financial advisor, I have my accountants, I have my marketing, I have my, uh, my PR and crisis. I have, I have it all. It's just the label of an agent, um, is not there. I have people in place.

• 1:12:10Speaker 05

  Um, and, and, and work delegated to certain positions and people and things like that. I have five lawyers actually. Um, so I, there, it's, you know, it's whatever to me. It, I know what I have, um, and I, and I know who I'm paying. Um, and so, um, it doesn't, it doesn't bother me or faze me. I have people in place to, to handle things.

• 1:12:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:35Speaker 05

  Um, the way they need to and, and, and things like that. So, um,

• 1:12:40Speaker 05

  Nah, man. It doesn't.

• 1:12:41Ryan Clark?

  You know what it is too, though. The criticism and pushback is on the lack of control it gives teams and organizations.

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  Yes, it is. Because NFL agents are also contracted by.

• 1:12:52Ryan Clark?

  Exactly. So if the agent, if they know this agent may want another player to be on a team, or he's gonna have to talk to that team down the line, we can manipulate that relationship because we have a relationship with them too. And I do think setting yourself up that way helps. You know, you mentioned everything you get in LA. Chicago, another big city.

• 1:13:11Speaker 05

  Another big city.

• 1:13:11Ryan Clark?

  Right. Another town that loves its sports teams.

• 1:13:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:16Ryan Clark?

  What will you be looking forward to?

• 1:13:19Speaker 05

  Love LA. LA was great. Now that I want to play at one place for 20 years and chase one guy, number 12, I want a place that loves ball. You know, that's all I've heard about Chicago so far, which is exciting for me because LA was great, but there is probably double digits of teams here. And so, I mean, it's a lot of, it's a big pool of, you know, so you have to be winning championships. You have to be playoffs every year to have, you know, the fans and things like that show up. And so, one thing, you know, if Chicago was a place that I've heard that they love ball, which is really exciting for me and

• 1:14:04Speaker 05

  something that I'm looking forward to and embracing, like I said, the fans and community because it's something that is huge for, I mean, you go to COVID year. I mean, the impact that they have when they're there and not there is huge. And so, you know, having them there is gonna be huge, making those home games, real home games, and really away games and tough games for, you know, other crowds and, or other, other, other teams and things like that. So, yeah, really excited that's the place and, you know, that's the city to. You know, light up and bring back and revive and make game days and everything really, really fun and enjoyable.

• 1:14:45Ryan Clark?

  Well, we'll be in Detroit, man. I look forward to your very short wait.

• 1:14:50Speaker 05

  I hope it's like a minute.

• 1:14:52Ryan Clark?

  I hope it's a minute, yeah. And if we don't get to see you shortly after, man, congratulations, brother, on all your hard work, brother. Yeah, it ain't gonna be long.

• 1:15:01Fred Taylor?

  You had a chance to meet Tom?

• 1:15:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, not in person, but we texted.

• 1:15:05Fred Taylor?

  Yeah? What'd he share with you? Any advice he gave you?

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  I have it all written down on my iPad. We met a couple of months ago.

• 1:15:16Speaker 05

  Any advice?

• 1:15:19Speaker 05

  Handle, is handle, handle your business, I mean, actual football and keeping football the most important and main, main thing. As, as y'all seen, he's the best to do that. It's handling the ball and football is the most important thing.

• 1:15:35Ryan Clark?

  It was, too. You can see it, though.

• 1:15:38Fred Taylor?

  Listen.

• 1:15:38Ryan Clark?

  And the result, he played with him.

• 1:15:40Fred Taylor?

  Those two years up there, man, he prepares and practices as if it's a game.

• 1:15:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Fred Taylor?

  I mean, a sense of urgency, the attention to detail.

• 1:15:48Speaker 05

  Make sure I.

• 1:15:49Fred Taylor?

  It starts in practice, commanding the huddle, making sure guys are where they're supposed, like this. So on game day, it just, it just flows out real easy and he treats everybody the same.

• 1:15:58Speaker 05

  Same. That's my biggest thing.

• 1:16:00Fred Taylor?

  Whether you're a 10-year vet or a practice squad guy, look, he wants it from everybody.

• 1:16:04Speaker 05

  It's my biggest, it's my biggest.

• 1:16:07Ryan Clark?

  The difference between playing, because Oklahoma's like that about football.

• 1:16:10Speaker 05

  Yes, that's what I mean.

• 1:16:11Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? So you got to see the, the two differences between them. Did you, the, the game day atmosphere in Oklahoma, did you find that better than playing here in the Pac-12?

• 1:16:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. Other than a few games, like the Notre Dame game was great. Oregon State game was actually pretty loud and, and great.

• 1:16:32Ryan Clark?

  They'll beat Notre Dame here, right?

• 1:16:34Speaker 05

  We beat Notre Dame here and then obviously they got us because I'm bad. I played this past year, but, but yeah, but yeah, so.

• 1:16:42Ryan Clark?

  Jay, he got a question for you. Hey, how you feel about the concert? About Drake concert? Drake concert. Fuck Drake.

• 1:16:48Channing Crowder?

  You brought him up, I was like, man, fuck that nigga. I don't give a fuck. The vibe, bro.

• 1:16:55Channing Crowder?

  Joking me. That's my wife.

• 1:16:58Ryan Clark?

  Were you scared he was gonna take her?

• 1:16:59Channing Crowder?

  Nah, he can't take my wife.

• 1:17:02Ryan Clark?

  Hey, he saw, he spotted her from a long way.

• 1:17:04Channing Crowder?

  It was impressive.

• 1:17:06Ryan Clark?

  You know, you always, you always call Drake in the hot light skins, too.

• 1:17:09Channing Crowder?

  Nah, he look good, I'm just playing. He close to home, though, he close to home.

• 1:17:39Speaker 06

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 1:17:44Speaker 07

  We go D.

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