Ep. 629: Hunting With The Armless Archer

Steven Rinella https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork talks with the "Armless Archer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=choFt9fUcvI and Paralympic Gold Medalist https://www.paralympic.org/matt-stutzman Matt Stutzman https://www.instagram.com/armlessarcher/?hl=en, Randall Williams, Cory Calkins, Austin Chleborad, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider. Topics discussed: Zero arms; polished form; winning Paralympic Gold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DnIacog8Xs; doing everything with your feet; how you must be physically located in the state of Arizona at the time of raffle tag purchase https://conservationfirstusa.org/product/arizona-special-big-game-tags/; 54 pounds of beaver sausage with a hint of red fox mixed in; listen to Season 2 of the MeatEater Kids Podcast https://www.themeateater.com/listen/meateater-kids; "The Fingerless"; hunting to feed your family; when your able-bodied competitors claim you have an advantage over them even though you're missing both arms; the foot that carries the gold; preparing and working to be the absolute best; and more. Outro song "Opening Day" by Jared Hicks Connect with Steve https://www.themeateater.com/authors/steven-rinella and The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella and Twitter https://twitter.com/stevenrinella?lang=en MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:16Steven Rinella?

  So just for you listeners out there, sometimes something will be happening before we're ready and someone will say something and I'll think that that should be in the show. And Chili's sharing with us about getting his ass kicked by an Olympic wrestler. Yeah. Which, uh, which is fitting because we have with us a gold medal archer from the 2024 Paris Paralympics. I'm actually holding his gold medal. Matt Stutzman is here today in the studio and Chili's trying to find a point of connection with him.

• 3:50Steven Rinella?

  I was doing. And in trying to find a point of connection to him, he's like, oh, you're an Olympic gold medalist, are you? Well.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  I got beaten by a medalist one time.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Did he have arms?

• 4:05Speaker 02

  He did, he did, yeah.

• 4:08Steven Rinella?

  So tell us what happened, Julie?

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Oh, this fellow named Lincoln McElroy, uh, Olympic gold medalist wrestler, um, came to South Dakota and put on a wrestling clinic. And like, you know, we got, he'd like always pull up someone to demonstrate a move or whatever. And he was explaining to us that like, a lot of the technique and power comes from your legs. And so he actually put his arms behind his back and he was, he did like a little leg sweep of my legs with his right leg and I did like a backflip.

• 4:39Steven Rinella?

  Whoa. So he literally beat you with his arms tied behind his back?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  There is a chance for me to wrestle. I might be able to wrestle. Let me meet this guy.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  But yeah, it was just, uh, my first, first lesson.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Wait, you were 12? How old was this guy?

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Oh, he's like 35, 40, somewhere in there. Yeah.

• 5:01Steven Rinella?

  I mean, at that point, you don't need to be an Olympic wrestler to beat up a 12 year old, right?

• 5:07Speaker 02

  No, but he sure was.

• 5:13Steven Rinella?

  Uh, his gold medal's heavy.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm a little jealous because I've never actually held it yet, but, uh, I'll take your, I'll take your word for it.

• 5:28Steven Rinella?

  Once again.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  I think it weighs like a pound.

• 5:31Steven Rinella?

  Joined today by Matt Stutzman, the 2024 Stutzman, I'm doing that right, right?

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Yep, Stutzman.

• 5:38Steven Rinella?

  2024 Paris Paralympics gold medal archer and bow hunter, uh, zero arms. For those of you listening, you might have picked up on a couple of mess.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  I knew a lot of hands. I talk with my hands, which is weird.

• 5:54Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I, when I was watching, um,

• 5:58Steven Rinella?

  watching you shoot, one, when, when you won the gold medal, you were shooting again. I don't know. I don't want to be, I don't want to be, you're, you're, how do I put this?

• 6:11Steven Rinella?

  Your opponent had both his arms.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's actually, uh, I just want to be the best in the world. So I was just like,

• 6:18Steven Rinella?

  You'll take it all.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, bring it on. I don't care. And then if I lose, I have an excuse. He had arms.

• 6:25Steven Rinella?

  It was, you know, my favorite, your, your form, um, your, your form is so polished to the point where, I don't know if you know this, to the point where when you, when you're at full draw, the corner of your mouth does the same thing every time. The other corner of your mouth. Like, it's incredible. The, you know what my favorite part of your form is though?

• 6:47Speaker 03

  The flinch?

• 6:49Steven Rinella?

  No. My favorite part of your form is that your, when you shoot, your release winds up over your shoulder.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  It, it actually taps me on the back, says, good job on that 10.

• 7:00Steven Rinella?

  Your, your move, your move that flops your, the, the, the move that flops your release back to the front is, is polished.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  I've been practicing that one.

• 7:11Steven Rinella?

  It's like a little flick of your shoulder and all of a sudden, that release comes back around. That's my favorite part of the shot. It's the between shot part of the shot that's good.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  I, uh, wish I could tell people, there's, there was times during the shot process where the announcer would say I was flinching.

• 7:27Steven Rinella?

  I know. I, I, I didn't, what was he talking about?

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Well, like you would see me jerk or something like that, but if you notice, I had so much control over my shot, you know, it's that moment where your brain's like, shoot now, ah, and then you just have a, a mental freak out and you just shoot. Well, usually, usually people shoot when that happens and the arrow goes wide or goes everywhere. I'm able to control it. And so when it's not right, but my body, my body says shoot, but I'm not ready to shoot, I can, I can flinch and control the shot and not actually shoot the shot. And then reset mentally to make it work again without letting down.

• 7:58Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I have a thing where, yeah, I'm real, I, I wasn't, I, I don't want to hack on him. I wasn't impressed with the announcing.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  Uh, the guy that was announcing, his name was John Stubbs and, um, probably because he's never beaten me in 12 years of competition and he's now retired. So I feel like, I feel like I got a little bit of slack, a little bit of stuff coming because of that.

• 8:26Steven Rinella?

  Got it, got it. Uh, we're gonna, we're gonna dig into all this and your whole bio and everything, but what, um,

• 8:36Steven Rinella?

  when they're calling those shots on the 10s, they're calling them as, uh, what's French for 10?

• 8:42Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 8:42Steven Rinella?

  No, they do. Deuce, dos.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  Dos. It might be dos. Deutsch? It's dies.

• 8:47Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that's right. They go dies 10. Dies 10.

• 8:54Steven Rinella?

  Oh, so we're gonna get into all that. We gotta do a couple of things real quick.

• 8:59Steven Rinella?

  You can chime in, though.

• 9:01Steven Rinella?

  Cren and I, everybody, huge apology, apology. What's the word I'm saying?

• 9:04Speaker 04

  Apology.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Apology.

• 9:05Steven Rinella?

  Cren and I owe listeners a huge apology, but just to help it make it better, I want you to know that we lost out too.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, we both did.

• 9:14Steven Rinella?

  We both gave our money away accidentally as well.

• 9:19Steven Rinella?

  On going way back, October 11th, so going back a month ago, we were, we were pimping a Arizona Big Game Super Raffle.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 9:31Steven Rinella?

  Okay. To remind, to remind listeners, Arizona's game commission had voted away to get, had voted to move away from what's called governor's tags. And they're hoping to do raffle tags to allocate these permits in a more democratic fashion for an inexpensive raffle ticket. And so we're talking about the, the budget.

• 9:53Steven Rinella?

  The, the, the, the financial.

• 9:57Steven Rinella?

  Um.

• 9:59Steven Rinella?

  Man, it's gonna be a rough morning for me. I don't know what happened. I thought I slept fine.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  The revenues produced by it.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  Raffle versus.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  Auction.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  Auction.

• 10:08Steven Rinella?

  So they used to auction the, the governor's tags off in Arizona and it raised a whole boatload of money. Um, they're moving away from that and they're going to raffles, raffles versus auctions. And it's projected that the, the money coming in will shrink now because raffles aren't as profitable as auctions have been.

• 10:28Steven Rinella?

  To help with this budget shortfall or financial shortfall, we were promoting to people, hey, go on and buy Arizona Big Game Super Raffle Tickets.

• 10:40Steven Rinella?

  I went and spent a whopping $100 on Mule Deer Super Raffle Tickets. Corinne went in for a whopping $150.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  I'm just gonna make one correction.

• 10:51Steven Rinella?

  And then someone pointed.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  That was in the duck stamp contest, uh, episode. If anyone is searching.

• 10:56Steven Rinella?

  Oh, the duck stamp. No, no, no, no, no, no. That was not when we did that.

• 11:00Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. It's in my notes. I just checked it.

• 11:01Steven Rinella?

  Corinne.

• 11:05Steven Rinella?

  I don't care what you know it say.

• 11:08Steven Rinella?

  That was not when we had the duck stamp painter in here.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Okay, any, sorry, everyone.

• 11:14Steven Rinella?

  It just wasn't.

• 11:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was. It's in my notes.

• 11:16Steven Rinella?

  I will bet you, I will bet you $5.

• 11:26Steven Rinella?

  Is it hot in here? Yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 11:27Steven Rinella?

  It doesn't really matter.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  This is episode 611, The Duck Stamp Champ. It is in the show notes, the Arizona raffle. So that's in there.

• 11:37Steven Rinella?

  Wrong.

• 11:39Steven Rinella?

  We did, we talked, we talked about this. When I went in and said I spent a ho- It's just not right. Either way, either way, I'm right. I'm correct.

• 11:52Steven Rinella?

  Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm right. The problem is, for all you people that went out and did this, this is almost like, how they allow you to do it when you can't do it, I don't know. But you have to be present in Arizona.

• 12:05Steven Rinella?

  Why would they let me do it?

• 12:07Speaker 04

  At the time of purchasing.

• 12:09Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, that's one of those deals.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  Because it's complicated with, with rules and laws.

• 12:13Steven Rinella?

  Well, I know, but it should have a thing that says, hey, are you sure you're there? Because they sure, like, that's fine, I can have my 100 bucks. Yeah. My kids will, my kids will still eat. But, um, why would they allow you to make such a mistake?

• 12:26Speaker 04

  So, so a couple of things.

• 12:27Steven Rinella?

  You can't buy not, you can't just go buy licenses.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  A cou- a couple of things. I accept full responsibility for not reading the instructions. Thank you to the podcast listener who did and then sent in the correction. But it's, it's very complicated for them to prevent that. When they're actually looking at, when they're drawing, they will be able to identify based on IP address where the person, where the computer was at purchased, at the time of purchase. Um, but, but they have graciously, uh, offered to return the money of any podcast listener who bought their raffle tickets.

• 13:03Steven Rinella?

  Is this real?

• 13:04Speaker 04

  Upon hearing our announcement. Yeah, oh, yeah, they have. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:09Steven Rinella?

  Uh, you know, I'm only out 95 because I just won five in a bet.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Congratulations.

• 13:15Steven Rinella?

  Related to this, Crin's now out 155.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  We're gonna have to play that podcast back.

• 13:22Steven Rinella?

  Crin's out 155, I'm out 95. I'm gonna, I'm gonna let him, just, I'm, I'm, I'm putting it in my mind that it was a donation, which I kind of felt like it was when I put it for the thing anyways. Yeah, I never win that kind of stuff.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Do they cap the, the, the raffles?

• 13:36Steven Rinella?

  No, that's the whole, no.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  So they could be a million tickets at a.

• 13:39Steven Rinella?

  You're not gonna win. Not, everyone wins. Everyone's gonna win.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Well, they also have like other prizes and stuff too, like, I mean, Shields card, Swarovski's and, but like, yeah.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  We do want to encourage everyone in Arizona or everyone visiting in Arizona to continue to buy raffle tickets. And I think it's up until Christmas Day, I think.

• 14:04Speaker 03

  So you're saying I gotta fly to Arizona, buy the ticket in Arizona, then I could fly home and then, and then I could use it?

• 14:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, if you're, if you're stop over the Phoenix airport, that's weird.

• 14:14Steven Rinella?

  But in all seriousness, if you did that, um, in all seriousness, apologies and, uh, I, you know, we take a lot of the blame, but I also just, just throwing it out there. If you go to buy, like, if I was gonna go right now and buy a resident hunting license in Arizona, there's all manner of things that would prevent me from doing that. Right? I feel like it should be like a little alert. There should be a little alert saying like, you know what they, when you go on a gun manufacturer's website?

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:44Steven Rinella?

  And it's like, hey, are you 18?

• 14:46Speaker 04

  But you can lie on that too.

• 14:48Steven Rinella?

  I know, but if it just said, it should pop up, be like, hey, are you sure you're in Arizona?

• 14:52Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:55Steven Rinella?

  Right?

• 14:56Speaker 04

  But also if you are, if you are out money because of us, because of me, um, feel free to write me, Dieter.

• 15:06Steven Rinella?

  And she'll send you the money.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  And, and we'll, we'll get it sorted.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Well, who's, who's to say that someone just reaches out to you that didn't listen to the podcast and you're like, whoa, I want my money back?

• 15:14Steven Rinella?

  She's gonna tell them how to go or apply for a refund.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  It's a pain and, and sorry, conservation first USA. I definitely don't want to give them more work, but it's like IP address search.

• 15:25Steven Rinella?

  You might just think of it, if you, if you, if you're in a position to do it, you might just think of it as a good donation to, uh, you might just think of it as a good donation to, to wildlife conservation in Arizona. Done with that. Ready for the next thing, Matt?

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 15:42Steven Rinella?

  You being from Iowa, this might interest you. They just made it illegal in Minnesota

• 15:49Steven Rinella?

  to eat a beaver if you've killed the beaver under a depredation permit. And there's a lot of head scratching going on about why is that true?

• 15:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, I sent this to Yee Avang and he was like, dude.

• 16:02Steven Rinella?

  It is now illegal to eat a nuisance beaver in Minnesota. And see, the Minnesota Star Tribune, they're trying to be cutesy with it and they're using all these little puns in the article, like it's a gnawing question.

• 16:16Steven Rinella?

  They're trying to be cute. And they're acting like no one knows why. I think I have it solved. Like I, I might have solved it for you.

• 16:26Steven Rinella?

  Minnesota Star Tribune. Um, I don't know, but here's my, here's, here's my guess. Oftentimes, like, do you remember we reported on when, uh, they made it that if you

• 16:40Steven Rinella?

  uh, our friends in Australia.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 16:43Steven Rinella?

  A small percentage of our people in Australia, I would call our friends, but our friends in Australia

• 16:50Steven Rinella?

  had a thing where if you were to kill a, a kangaroo under depredation, you couldn't market it.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:58Steven Rinella?

  And part of what, when you get these rules like this, what they're trying to do is they're trying to clarify what your actual reason is for killing it.

• 17:11Steven Rinella?

  Meaning you, you draw a depredation permit for beavers. They're sort of like, well, is it really a depredation issue? Or is there something else at play? Like, let's say all of a sudden for magically, for some weird reason, beavers were all of a sudden a, a, a dead beaver laying there is worth a thousand bucks.

• 17:31Steven Rinella?

  I could picture it. Some like, you know, like someone, they determine that it's the, that beaver caster is like the world's greatest aphrodisiac, or like Kier's baldness or something, whatever. And all of a sudden the beaver's worth a thousand bucks laying there dead.

• 17:47Steven Rinella?

  A guy says, man, I got an idea. I'm gonna get a depredation permit. And, I mean, there's, there's a big, they're cutting my trees down. I'm gonna get a depredation permit and I'm gonna be, I'm gonna kill beavers year round. And sell them all for a thousand bucks. So oftentimes, if you get a depredation permit, you can't utilize the resource.

• 18:10Speaker 05

  It's like a DLP killing in Alaska.

• 18:12Steven Rinella?

  Yep. If you, if a bear breaks into your house and you kill the bear, you don't keep the bear. For instance, if I, we have a bear lurking around our neighborhood right now, getting everybody's trash. If I came out and the bear was standing in my garage, I can kill the bear. I don't then also get to sell the hide and eat the meat. They come and take the bear. Cause it's sort of like, did you kill it because you wanted it? Or did you kill it because it was causing a problem? So

• 18:42Steven Rinella?

  they're making a big deal about this. It's a big mystery. It's probably a part of de-incentivizing claims of depredation that aren't depredation because you're trying to get.

• 18:57Speaker 05

  Does it, I assume it applies to the, the fur as well.

• 19:00Steven Rinella?

  No, well.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  But then, right, like when they say like, can't sell it or can't. You know, cause how many people are really like love eating beavers?

• 19:08Steven Rinella?

  I don't know, but I'm saying, I think that that's, I don't know what the rule is on selling it, but if you trap it during season, you can eat it. You just can't eat it under depredation.

• 19:18Steven Rinella?

  Also, I have a feeling, I don't give legal advice, you know, all that kind of stuff? I'm not giving legal advice. I just have a feeling.

• 19:25Speaker 05

  Just financial advice.

• 19:27Steven Rinella?

  I have a feeling that if you're in Minnesota and you've been eating a lot of the beavers you catch on your depredation permit, I just have a feeling that if you were to continue to cut a hammy off those, one of those beavers now and then and keep eating it, I just don't feel that you're gonna wind up in a bunch of trouble. Yep.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Have you ever eaten beaver?

• 19:49Steven Rinella?

  Yes.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Is it good?

• 19:50Steven Rinella?

  Piles of it. One time me and my buddy Seth made 54 pounds of beaver sausage.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  What? That's a lot.

• 19:58Steven Rinella?

  It is. You know what? You know what I mixed in there with it? It's a little bit of red fox.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  So I know this isn't.

• 20:09Steven Rinella?

  Just a hint of red fox.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  I know this isn't Minnesota, but in Iowa, my brother makes a living getting animals out of people's houses.

• 20:19Steven Rinella?

  Sure. Good for him.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  So like trapping beavers out of ponds and, and all that stuff, but I'm gonna have to ask him.

• 20:25Steven Rinella?

  He's in the ADC business, they call it. Not EDC.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  ADC. I'm gonna have to ask him why he doesn't try to eat any of that stuff, but probably because they can't, I'm guessing, since he can do it year round.

• 20:34Steven Rinella?

  He probably just gets a little sick of looking at it too, maybe.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's, uh, we've got beaver recipes in our cookbooks. Yeah. He'd like roast a whole tail and.

• 20:45Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Yep.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  I'm gonna have to try beaver soon.

• 20:47Steven Rinella?

  So yeah, if you're trapping under a depredation permit and like, and you catch one and you kinda look up and down the road and there's no one looking and you're down in the bushes and you decide to get a hammy or a little bit of tail, I don't know.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  So what if you run over it?

• 21:03Steven Rinella?

  Are they gonna spring out and bust you?

• 21:06Speaker 03

  What if you hit it with a vehicle? Cause I ran over a beaver like last year.

• 21:09Steven Rinella?

  Then you're A-OK. As long as your state allows you to keep roadkill.

• 21:12Speaker 05

  Salvage roadkill.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  I wonder if, I wonder like if you, uh.

• 21:17Steven Rinella?

  Wheels are turning over here.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  No, no, cause they're just reminding me of a story. Uh, last, last winter, um. A lady in her had hit a deer, a friend of ours had hit a deer at their car on the interstate. And we called the DNR and got a tag so I could keep the meat.

• 21:34Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  So I'm out there, it's probably ten, ten o'clock in the evening and it's dark and this, uh, I'm skinning it out.

• 21:41Steven Rinella?

  Are you, are you, you can skim with your feet?

• 21:43Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, absolutely. Hold the knife and my toes and everything. He drives with his feet.

• 21:46Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I know that, yeah.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  So I'm, I'm in the middle of the road there or in the ditch there.

• 21:50Steven Rinella?

  How do you pull the guts?

• 21:52Speaker 03

  Uh, my, it's with my feet, you know, you, you know those bags that you use, um, that go all the way up to your armpit?

• 21:59Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  I just put them on my.

• 22:01Steven Rinella?

  No shit.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  They could just be waiters.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they don't make them, they don't make anything for feet like that, so I have to make it work, but I can make it work. So I'm, I'm gutting out the deer in the middle of the night, basically, and a car pulls up. And, uh, it was a car full of old ladies and she goes, are you okay?

• 22:20Steven Rinella?

  Full old ladies.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  Full old ladies.

• 22:22Steven Rinella?

  How many? Where, where are they?

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Four. Four old ladies and they go, are you?

• 22:26Steven Rinella?

  All going somewhere together.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  All go somewhere together.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  The funny part is.

• 22:32Steven Rinella?

  Is anybody here against their will? In this car?

• 22:36Speaker 03

  I think the funny part about it was that when they pull up and they asked if I was okay. And I stand up and I have blood from, from my knees down. And then my, my buddy stands up holding a knife. Of course they can't see the deer in the ditch and all they hear is go, go, go.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  It, it took about 10 minutes and the cop showed up, so.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  Like this guy without arms, he probably thought I was getting all cut up and stuff, but anyway, that, that was what I, that was what I was thinking. What I was laughing about. Anyway, not to get off track there.

• 23:18Steven Rinella?

  No, that's right on track, man.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  Cause deer, you can do that, right?

• 23:23Steven Rinella?

  Well, it's, it's state by state.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:25Steven Rinella?

  Like for a long time you couldn't here, now you can. In fact, there was a whole, like a whole, uh, series of states that, that, that overturned prohibitions on keeping road.

• 23:38Speaker 05

  Trendy for a little bit.

• 23:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it got trendy for a bit. The good, that's a good kind of trend.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:42Steven Rinella?

  It's a good kind of trend.

• 23:45Steven Rinella?

  Black Friday sale. So, uh, when's this kicking? Oh, now, from now, as you're sitting here listening to this, through Monday, December 2nd, stock up on products at discounts of up to 50% off. Head over to firstlight.com and, uh, Black Friday deals from First Light, FHF Gear, Phelps Game Calls, Dave Smith Decoys, and the Meat Eater Store. Um, now through December 2nd. Big ol' savings up to that. So get your holiday gift, uh, stuff started. Oh, another thing, while you're over there. Um, the, uh, fucked up old shitters calendar is out.

• 24:27Steven Rinella?

  Um,

• 24:28Speaker 04

  Get that too.

• 24:29Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, all year long, every month, you can look at a, a fucked up shitter on a calendar.

• 24:36Speaker 05

  Sounds like a great gift.

• 24:37Steven Rinella?

  I mean,

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Great stocking stuff.

• 24:38Speaker 05

  And you don't have to look at the fucked up shitters. Your, your family, your friends, your coworkers, anyone you think might enjoy it.

• 24:45Steven Rinella?

  You know what came to me in a, in a, uh, I, I like wake up in the middle of the night often and then I think for a long time before I fall back asleep. Uh, the other day I was thinking of a, of an ad for those shit, that fucked up old shitter calendar that involves Santa Claus.

• 25:05Steven Rinella?

  Needing to,

• 25:07Speaker 05

  Let's do it.

• 25:07Steven Rinella?

  needing to take a deuce like in the middle of his frantic, his, the one night a year when he really works.

• 25:15Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:18Speaker 05

  We can make that happen. We've got the most talented production team out there.

• 25:22Steven Rinella?

  But do we have Santa suit?

• 25:25Speaker 05

  I'm sure we can.

• 25:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's in the budget.

• 25:27Speaker 05

  We got Amazon.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  That's a great idea.

• 25:30Steven Rinella?

  Budget. Look under S in the budget.

• 25:32Speaker 05

  Brett Reeves can play Santa.

• 25:34Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that'd be a great Santa.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  Great Santa.

• 25:36Steven Rinella?

  Well, no, because, because Santa's definitely like a, uh, Yankee.

• 25:40Speaker 05

  Hmm. Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 25:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:44Steven Rinella?

  Santa's a Yankee. Cause he's from the North Pole, dude.

• 25:47Speaker 05

  True.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:48Steven Rinella?

  Nah.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  It's in the name right there.

• 25:50Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I mean, unless you went so far south that you came back off the other side and back around on top.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  I mean,

• 25:58Steven Rinella?

  that's more of a geology, not a geology. That's like a geography question.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Randall, you'd make a great Santa.

• 26:03Steven Rinella?

  I said before, anyone from a state that has ice fishing, you can't be from the south if people ice fish in your state. That's how you know if you're in the south or not. And people ice fish up that way.

• 26:15Steven Rinella?

  Toward the pole.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 26:16Steven Rinella?

  Toward the pole.

• 26:19Steven Rinella?

  I'll tell you one thing that binds together all of the vehicles in the Rinella fleet at my house, they all have WeatherTech floor liners. When we get a new car, the first thing we do, out with the junky factory carpet mats, in with WeatherTech. They really are the best. They're indestructible. You can pull them out, hose them off. It doesn't matter what happens on the floor of your rig. If you've got WeatherTech, you're going to be covered. I love these things. If you're looking to get a great gift for someone, especially if they're a big time outdoors kind of person, like if you really want to do them a favor, get them some WeatherTech floor liners for their truck or car. They'll have a way easier time keeping their rig nice and clean, and they'll get years and years of use out of a set.

• 27:04Steven Rinella?

  Visit weathertech.com for your holiday shopping today. You know those snacks that disappear way faster than you planned? That's Wiley Wallaby Licorice for me. I tossed a bag in my truck for a recent trip, and before I knew it, it was gone. I ate it, my kids ate it, my wife ate it, we all love it. What sets it apart is the texture. It's authentic Australian-style licorice that's soft and chewy, not hard and waxy like most brands. They've got more than 10 flavors to choose from. I love that it's made in the USA by a company that's been doing things the right way for more than 60 years.

• 27:43Steven Rinella?

  Use code MEATEATER at shop.wileywallaby.com for free shipping and try some yourself. When you're outside cleaning fish, working in your garden, or just grinding through a long day of work, your hands take a beating. Dry, cracked hands can be brutal when you need to get work done. O'Keefe's Working Hands Hand Cream. Get your hands back in work in order. This stuff is the greatest stuff in the world. Like, most hand creams, you put them on, and then you're all kind of greasy and slimy and you can't grab stuff. You put this stuff on, your hands are ready to get back to work. It absorbs fast, creates a barrier to lock-in moisture, and doesn't leave your hands greasy at all. Do yourself a favor, next time your hands feel like dried-out fish scales, get O'Keefe's Working Hands. I'm telling you, this stuff is amazing.

• 28:28Steven Rinella?

  Go to okeefescompany.com to get yours today. That's O-K-E-E-F-F-E-S company.com for guaranteed relief. O'Keefe's Working Hands, it works good.

• 28:43Steven Rinella?

  Is that everything?

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Kids Podcast.

• 28:44Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  Out now, today.

• 28:47Steven Rinella?

  Kids Podcast is out now. So we did meet each other kids. We kind of made it provisional. We told everybody like, we're doing this, but we don't know if we're going to keep doing it. Cause we don't know how much people like it and how much people will listen. Well, they liked it and they listened. So now we're doing another run of the kids podcast. Um, and again, it's for your kids. And the kids podcast works as like three acts. There's an act up top. It's like a biology and history, biology slash history slash interesting stuff lesson for kids, which I do. Then we have a, there's a thing called guess that critter, which is about animal vocalizations. And we play animal vocalizations and sort of build a bio and leading your kid to try to guess what animals making it.

• 29:29Steven Rinella?

  And we pick animals that have crazy varied vocalizations, like a crow probably isn't going to make the cut.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:37Steven Rinella?

  A sea lion would make the cut.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  It did last time, but we won't give away season two's.

• 29:42Steven Rinella?

  No, um, cause sea lions make crazy noises. It sounds like Guar concert. Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  That was the fan favorite quip.

• 29:52Steven Rinella?

  The, uh, and then the third act is when we bring actual real live kids. This might be an AI thing we could figure out. So we don't have to deal with any kids anymore. Oh, wow. Interesting. We bring actual. Definitely in the spirit of the project.

• 30:10Steven Rinella?

  We bring in actual real live kids to play trivia, but the way we do it with the kids in the spirit, in the American spirit of, of destroying America's competitive sense. Uh, you know, and like making it that America no longer has this competitive edge. We've taken away where the kid, the kids don't compete against one another. They work together. They're all winners. They're all winners and they work together to build up a little booty of money to go to.

• 30:41Steven Rinella?

  Uh, to conservation.

• 30:45Steven Rinella?

  Cause it doesn't work to have 14 year olds whipping on seven year olds. Seven year olds get too sad.

• 30:50Speaker 05

  Like Chili in Olympic wrestler.

• 30:53Speaker 03

  Give him a pink ribbon.

• 30:54Steven Rinella?

  You know what we should do? You know what'd be great is uh, we should bring in Chili to play against the kids.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  This is not fun for me at all, okay? Alright, that is me. And I'll have you know, last trivia, I did pretty good.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say Chili's Chili's uh, up and comer.

• 31:12Steven Rinella?

  That would be a huge show. It'd be like where Chili comes in and gets whooped by kids at trivia.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  Steve, you're not the first person to bring this idea.

• 31:20Steven Rinella?

  Sorry, Chili. And how old are you? So like, okay, Mabel, you're 12. How old are you, Chili?

• 31:28Speaker 02

  30.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  This is stupid. I don't like this idea. Never play trivia again.

• 31:36Steven Rinella?

  That's all a joke. We know Chili would uh, Chili would win.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  You don't sound too confident.

• 31:43Steven Rinella?

  Not with that.

• 31:46Steven Rinella?

  He'd have as much of a chance as anybody of winning.

• 31:52Speaker 03

  My six year old's pumped about more episodes though. Every time we're in the car going somewhere more than 10 minutes, he's asking, are there more Meat Eater Kids trivia episodes?

• 32:00Steven Rinella?

  Great.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  Hmm, good.

• 32:02Steven Rinella?

  Alright, Matt, you ready?

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, you should do one about what does the fox say?

• 32:05Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't think Steve's heard that song.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I know that song.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  Oh, you do?

• 32:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's a classic.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  I don't think we're gonna do that though. My kids wanted a dog. I said memorize the words of that song. I don't have a dog yet.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  It is a popular song and I still don't know what a fox says.

• 32:23Steven Rinella?

  He says a.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like ming ming ming or something like that.

• 32:28Steven Rinella?

  Um, Matt's Dutchman. You know, how comfortable are you talking about, um?

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Super.

• 32:36Steven Rinella?

  You were adopted.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  Oh, I was, I'll talk about anything.

• 32:38Steven Rinella?

  Tell that story, man.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 32:41Steven Rinella?

  Like, your parents got overwhelmed?

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, it's funny because I don't remember any of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was too little, but when I was born, they, there was a surprise that I had no arms. Yeah. Like, my mom never did ultrasounds or anything like that, so they're like, oh my goodness, here's a kid without any arms. What do we do? And the doctor told them that it was gonna cost millions of dollars to raise me, and that I would never be able to do anything on my own, ever. So my parents were just like... Have you ever found that doctor when she had a chat? You know, I was thinking like, if I ever could punch, but I'd have to get real close.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Um, no. Uh, I've never met the doctor, but because of that guidance, it actually was huge for my life. Because where I ended up and the family who adopted me, like, taught me how to adapt to the world and taught me to think like, I can do anything, and that I don't need no one's help to do it. And so I'm glad I was adopted. You know, I'm glad that I was put in that situation where my family had eight brothers and sisters, and we lived on a farm, and we lived off the land, and, and there was times where I was just taught like, you know, there was a time I, I was hungry, so I went in the woods with my 22 and I shot a squirrel, and then I scanned it, and I made a little fire, and I started cooking it.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  And I was non, I was sitting on my shoulder, and I was just eating it when my brother walked up, and apparently I didn't cooked it long enough. But, you know, that's the type of stuff my parents were like, hey, you just gotta figure it out. You gotta go do it. And so I'm happy that I was put up for adoption and, and... Are you in touch, are you in touch now with your biological parents? Uh, ironically, they came, um, got in touch with me after all this happened with the, uh... No. Yeah, no, legit. Uh, in 2012, when I won my silver, my first Games ever, I won a silver medal, uh, they just all came out of the woodwork. Hey, I'm your cousin from your mom's side who, whatever. And then, hey, I was, you know, I gave birth to you, and hey, I'm the dad, I'm your dad. I'm like, what? And it's happening? Are you serious?

• 34:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. But to me, I like, it didn't bother me any, because I knew who my parents are, and, you know, these are, you know, no hard feelings to them whatsoever. Sure. You know, they, they had me, and that was pretty much the end of it, how I look at it.

• 35:04Steven Rinella?

  Cow, man.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I had, I've had a good life, you know, like, I know that. Um, I do a lot of motivational speaking and they want you to come in and talk about the ups and downs of your life, but. I've had, and I have had, I've had ups and downs, but like, I've had a good life, you know, like. I don't have any modifications in my house. I can do everything everybody else can do. I hunt, fish, drive cars, like I.

• 35:28Steven Rinella?

  Drive, yeah, I was watching that, that, that profile piece they did that you don't have, you don't have a modified car and your parents. Um. Your parents made a decision kind of early on that they weren't going to modify anything in the house.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Nothing. They were actually offered by the insurance company. Like 500 bucks a month and back in 1982, that was a lot of money. But they had to spend it on me and they had to spend it to modify the house for me. And they're like, no, no. And they turned it all down and they're like, we're going to teach this kid how to do stuff without. Anything modified because someday he's going to be out in the world on a meat eater podcast and he's not going to. Need someone to be beside him to help him get there. He can do it on his own. Like they knew that stuff before I did.

• 36:13Steven Rinella?

  Wow. What, what was the first time you ever laid eyes on a, on a, on a piece of archery equipment?

• 36:19Speaker 03

  Uh, my brother had a bow when I was younger and he couldn't shoot it worth a crap.

• 36:27Steven Rinella?

  What, what were his intentions with the bow?

• 36:29Speaker 03

  I don't even know. He just lost arrows. Uh, but I remember, uh, I tell the story where I first got into archery in 2010. But the story that nobody knows.

• 36:40Steven Rinella?

  And you, uh, sorry, but you, how old were you in 2010?

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Oh, shoot, I'm 40, I'm 42 now, so I would have been 28 maybe.

• 36:48Steven Rinella?

  Okay, yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  But the little, the little story that nobody knows is that I tried archery when I was probably 13 or 14. And the technology of the rest and stuff back then wasn't that great. So every time I would try to draw the bow back, the arrow would always fall off.

• 37:03Steven Rinella?

  Cause it'd be on a flipper rest?

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, or like one of those like, uh, steel prongs with the little, you know, where the, the. The odd feather would go between it, you know, like it just was.

• 37:12Steven Rinella?

  What, what, what rest you talking about?

• 37:13Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't even know. I just remember it's like a, yeah, like a steel prong.

• 37:18Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember those.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, I could never really make it work. So back then when I tried it, it was kind of like a short-lived. Thing.

• 37:28Steven Rinella?

  And that was one of the obstacles. Keeping the arrow on the.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I missed a huge buck because of it. So I was like, ah, you know, like if I had a gun, I could have.

• 37:37Steven Rinella?

  Sure.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  You know, it'd been better. But for me, then it was in 2010 where for me, archery really kicked off. But I think a lot of it, the technology then, you know, in 2010, when I said, hey, I'm gonna shoot a bow. They had a whisker biscuit, right? So they put a whisker biscuit on the bow and I could do what I, I could throw the bow on the ground and it wouldn't fall out of that thing. You know? Uh, and so that's when, you know, I, I really excelled with the archery and, and fell in love with archery as we know it.

• 38:06Speaker 05

  For people who haven't watched you shoot, can you describe?

• 38:10Steven Rinella?

  Can we put that up?

• 38:11Speaker 05

  Can you describe what your, your process is like?

• 38:14Steven Rinella?

  I could do you one better.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  So.

• 38:16Speaker 05

  Well, there's gonna be listeners.

• 38:18Steven Rinella?

  What? No, but he can walk.

• 38:19Speaker 05

  Oh, I see.

• 38:20Steven Rinella?

  No, no, I'm, yeah, I think you should ask, cause, cause people that are just listening will help, but I, I, I, if, if, I know Phil was intending to pull this up anyway, so.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  And I'm curious too, like how you got there? If there were other, other.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Oh, check this. This is a good, this is a good video.

• 38:37Steven Rinella?

  This is a good video, but not the one. Oh, Bill, these are the ones, I, I, I only have the hunting ones prepared.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  I only, I only send him hunting ones because.

• 38:44Steven Rinella?

  They're in a dark ass blind.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  We can't show.

• 38:47Speaker 05

  The broadcast.

• 38:48Speaker 04

  Broadcast video.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  Like, we can't show like Paralympic, like, we can't show that to our audience.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Alright, so you just whacked him.

• 38:58Steven Rinella?

  Got him.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  Oh, it gets better. It gets better. Wait for it, wait for it.

• 39:02Speaker 05

  No.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  Oh, it comes back. Oh, what are you doing? Hey buddy. Hey buddy. Oh, I think I would like to eat you too.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  Bye bye.

• 39:16Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 39:17Steven Rinella?

  Nice hit.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  Doubled up.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, he, he didn't go very far either, but so that didn't show really how I shoot, so I'll explain it.

• 39:24Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that's it.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  Uh, ironically, in 2010, I Googled how to teach an armless guy how to shoot a bow.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  Because.

• 39:31Steven Rinella?

  Was there much out there?

• 39:32Speaker 03

  There was nothing. I couldn't find nothing. So everything was self taught.

• 39:37Steven Rinella?

  Uh, I'm gonna tell you a quick thing though, is, uh, when I was in archery league. As a kid, we had a guy that was very, very good, a one-arm shooter.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 39:48Steven Rinella?

  And then it's like the.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  And he, he held it in his mouth.

• 39:51Steven Rinella?

  He had a mouthpiece.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  What was his name, you know?

• 39:54Steven Rinella?

  I'm never, I could find out, I could ask around. He had a, he had a.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  From Arizona?

• 39:59Steven Rinella?

  Nope, Michigan.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Michigan.

• 40:00Steven Rinella?

  He had, I, I can't remember how his release worked, but it was like he'd bite down, and it was like a string release.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:07Steven Rinella?

  Or his teeth.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  Like a mouth tab.

• 40:10Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Thing.

• 40:11Steven Rinella?

  And he would just relax.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  His jaw.

• 40:13Steven Rinella?

  Would relax his jaw, and he used to, he used to dominate in league.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have a buddy, his name is Eric Bennett, he's been to five games, actually, and for the first three or four, he shot with a mouth tab.

• 40:25Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  He was pretty good at it, and he only, he only has one arm too, but when I, this is before I met all those guys, right? So I didn't know what I was doing, and, and I know I just, the reality is, the reason why I needed to get a bow in 2010 is because I couldn't get a job.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  I would, like, people would have me come in, like, I would apply, like, "Yeah, you're perfect on paper," and then I would come in, and then they would look at me, and they'd be like,

• 40:51Speaker 03

  "Do you have prosthetics?" Like, I would hire you if you had prosthetics. I'm like, "Well, last time I had prosthetics, I wore them to show and tell." That's cool, because I wanted to be the only kid who could take off his arms, right?

• 41:02Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  And, but I would just remember thinking, like, I was getting judged what I looked like, not what I was capable of, and I didn't have any food, and I was sitting at home, trying to figure out what I was gonna do, and bam, a guy on TV was in the woods hunting. I saw on TV. It might have been your show, even. I don't know, did you have a hunting show back in 2010?

• 41:25Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but we didn't have a, we didn't have a.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Was it on a public network, or?

• 41:29Steven Rinella?

  We didn't have an armless archer on it.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  No, it was a regular gentleman out hunting with a bow, and I saw that, and I was like. That's how I'm gonna provide for my family, so I googled how to teach a guy with that arm how to shoot a bow and nothing came up, but I went out.

• 41:44Steven Rinella?

  Nothing came up?

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Nothing came up. And I went to my local archery store and I said, "I wanna buy that bow right there," and he said, "How you gonna shoot it?" And I said, "I don't know."

• 41:54Steven Rinella?

  So you bought a bow off the shelf?

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Off the shelf.

• 41:57Steven Rinella?

  But what did they set for the draw length?

• 41:58Speaker 03

  They had no idea what they were doing, and I didn't know what I was doing. I literally said, "Just give this to me," and then I just went home. Like, I didn't, like, let them, like, figure it out with me, cuz I had no idea. So I go home and there were, uh... There wasn't even a D-loop on it, so I was just grabbing the string of my teeth. And then my buddy, uh, had a release aid. He's like, "You need to wear one of these." I'm like, "Those... It's a wrist strap. What do you want me to do with that?"

• 42:26Speaker 03

  But I actually was able to slide it on my shoulder and activate it with my chin, and, oh, the rest was history. I went out. Within, uh, within two weeks of learning how to shoot, I went in the woods and shot it here.

• 42:40Steven Rinella?

  Wow.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  What? Yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  That's the video we have.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  That's... No. This is a lot further along in my career, but, um, yeah.

• 42:48Steven Rinella?

  Do you have a personal video showing in daylight how you shoot?

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Uh, you mean like how I... Besides the video you just seen?

• 42:58Steven Rinella?

  But you feel if we put that up, someone would actually... We would actually get, like, really get in trouble?

• 43:03Speaker 03

  No, those... Okay.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Olympic broadcast stuff is really... Yeah, it's tough.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  Okay, so I wish... I wish you could go onto my social media, cuz I have a ton of stuff that I own the rights to.

• 43:13Steven Rinella?

  We can.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  So why don't you pull up one of my archery videos?

• 43:17Steven Rinella?

  Keep telling, yeah, keep telling the story. They'll work on it.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  Okay, so...

• 43:22Steven Rinella?

  Oh, what the hell you were... What the hell were you asking about, Randall?

• 43:24Speaker 03

  How I shot. I know we got off the track of that. Yeah, I mean, so you... But you're... Was it just... Just instinctual, I mean, you use your feet for Everything. Everything. Like, you were just like, of course, I'll, I'll pick this up between my toes and... Yeah, so the guy, the guy that I saw on TV held the bow with his right arm, so I would, I grabbed the bow with my right foot. And then, once I figured out the release aid, I learned that it needed to be on my right shoulder for string alignment. I don't know why I figured that out, but it needed to be on the right side. Plus, I was red-eye dominant, so that kind of made sense. And then, that's pretty much it. Like, it didn't really, you know, just for people listening or whatever, I hold the bow with my right foot.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  And I, so as I'm sitting there with the bow unloaded, I actually have the bow on the ground, I will pick the arrow up with my right foot, load it into the bow. Then I pick up the bow with my right foot. At that point, I gentleman will cross my legs, if that makes any sense. Then I lean down to the string, and I attach my release aid to the D-loop. I then sit up, and I kind of look like an accordion at this point, with my leg in, like, right in front of my chest. And then I push my foot away from my chest, which draws the bow back. Then I get into my release and anchor position while I'm aiming, and then I apply back pressure to the release aid. Okay, that's what you're using. Yeah, and then that activates the shot.

• 44:50Speaker 05

  And your release is around your torso, your neck?

• 44:53Speaker 03

  The release is around my chest.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  So I've got some Instagram stuff pulled up here.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  I don't have a lot on Instagram. Uh, right there. No, go down. Show that one right there.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Right here?

• 45:04Speaker 03

  The sushi shot.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  The, the target here?

• 45:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, do that one.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  Oh, cool. What kind of roll is that?

• 45:11Speaker 03

  The sushi roll. This is a hundred, hundred and one yard sushi shot.

• 45:15Speaker 05

  No.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Hundred? Yeah, hundred and one yard sushi shot.

• 45:19Speaker 04

  Matt, is that your account? Because I also see armless Archer.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  It's one of my...

• 45:24Speaker 04

  You've got one of them, okay.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, apparently I have several, but that is definitely my video.

• 45:28Speaker 05

  Hundred and one.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Way down.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  There. I think this was like, I shot this right before Tokyo. So right there.

• 45:36Steven Rinella?

  Oh, there we go.

• 45:37Speaker 03

  So can you pause that video?

• 45:42Speaker 03

  So if you look like how I'm holding the bow with my right foot and then I have a release aid around my chest over my right shoulder.

• 45:48Steven Rinella?

  And that's a, that's a back tension release.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's one that, um, I designed. It's called the Fingerless.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna make millions of dollars off of it because I think there's like eight armless archers.

• 46:00Steven Rinella?

  One day you'd be like, I sold one!

• 46:02Speaker 03

  In the world now, but, uh, yeah, so that's how, and then I activate it with back pressure.

• 46:08Steven Rinella?

  Now, when you, uh, one thing I couldn't figure out, when you touch off, what's, are, how are you not dropping the bow? Do you got that good of a grip on it with your toes?

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. For sure, look at that. Yeah, I got some pretty, so, oh, a lot of it has to do with the angle of how I'm shooting it too. Uh, I figured out like, I'm leaning back, so the weight of the bow is actually kinda more over my torso.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  Wow, damn! There was even a little breeze too.

• 46:32Steven Rinella?

  Hit a sushi roll.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:33Steven Rinella?

  At a hundred and ten yards.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  So, I, I've, I've noticed that like, you know, like, as I, we all shoot a bow, like, we hold it with our left hand, release, so like, it's op, kinda opposite.

• 46:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  But it's the, it's the same side, like, it's the right leg, and then the release is on your right shoulder. And that was just like, you just naturally, that's how you did it?

• 46:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, just kind of something that was just natural for me, because I was trying to figure out, when I would switch to the left side and then try to, like, the string alignment was bad. Right? So for me, here's, here's something that's interesting, if you watch when I'm shooting, everything is like, like, I'm facing my bow, right? Like, most people shoot bows, kinda they're, they stand at an angle sideways and the bow's left or right. When I shoot, the bow goes straight out in front of me. Which actually helps in the woods, because when I'm hunting, I can draw right at a deer, and they don't run off or nothing. And I think it's because when I'm drawing, I'm pushing the bow straight at them. And, and only movement you have is my leg going forward, which is in line with the bow.

• 47:35Steven Rinella?

  How many, uh, how many pounds, cause you're using your leg, how many pounds could you? Pull with your leg.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 47:43Steven Rinella?

  You're pushing, not pulling. How many, how many pounds can you push with your leg?

• 47:46Speaker 05

  It's kinda like a leg press motion.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  It is like a leg press. Um, to be honest, I had, um, Hoyt build me a custom bow not too long ago and it was ninety, it was with the turbo cams, it was like ninety-three pounds.

• 47:57Steven Rinella?

  That's what you're pushing?

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't do that anymore because I realized, uh, um, I was down in Arkansas, um, Bentonsville, Arkansas.

• 48:06Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  And we were doing where there was a bunch of deer in town that they needed to get out, get rid of. So they brought me down to kind of thin out the herd for them. So I wanted to see if I could shoot through two deer at once. So, so there was, uh, the DNR was there and they put out a bunch of food and I went and sat in a blind and I think I shot twenty-two in.

• 48:28Steven Rinella?

  Wow.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Nine hours maybe, but I shot through several at a time because they would be all sta- and they're skinny. I mean, I gotta tell you that like, Arkansas, their deer, like their world records are probably like a hundred and twenty inch or, you know what I mean? Like, they're all skinny. They might be a hundred and thirty.

• 48:43Steven Rinella?

  Clay's just like pounding them. Our buddy Clay in Arkansas is pounding the table right now.

• 48:48Speaker 05

  Swamp box might be a little bigger, but yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're, they're not that, they're not that big.

• 48:52Steven Rinella?

  I know, I know what you're saying.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  And they're skinny.

• 48:54Steven Rinella?

  I know some guys in Arkansas that are just like, what?

• 48:58Speaker 03

  So I come from Iowa, so unfortunately, uh, but, um, I don't pull that much poundage anymore just because it's a little overkill. The technology on the bows nowadays are so good.

• 49:09Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  And, uh, the way you can build them with speed and, you know, kinetic energy and all that kinda stuff, the arrows.

• 49:16Steven Rinella?

  What's your target bow coming at?

• 49:18Speaker 03

  Uh, sixty pounds. And that's the max that you're allowed to shoot in competition.

• 49:23Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  And because I, if I could shoot, so we shoot distance, fifty meters, right? Well, if I can shoot ninety pounds all day long because I'm using my feet and I'm shooting against you, I mean, that's a big difference when it comes to getting the arrow faster, you know, getting their, the arrow to the target faster without being deflected by wind or anything like that. Well, at that point it now becomes an advantage to me.

• 49:48Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  So it, they just capped it, everything at sixty pounds.

• 49:52Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm. So tell that story, bringing it. At first bow home and trying to get that thing figured out.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  So I bring it up.

• 49:59Steven Rinella?

  And why didn't you go, why, why didn't you ask the, why didn't you say, hey, man, can you help me get this figured out?

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Cause I figured like, if I'm gonna fail, I'm gonna fail in the quietness of my garage.

• 50:11Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  Right? Like, I didn't want, you know, this was something that I knew I wanted to do. I just didn't want someone to see me fail at it. Cause I felt like, I knew, I didn't know what I was doing and I, and to be honest, if I walked up to you at a boat, at a boat store and ask you to help me out, you wouldn't know what you're doing either. You know what I mean? Like some armless guy be like, hey.

• 50:32Steven Rinella?

  But a person that knows a lot about bows.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  They, you're right.

• 50:38Steven Rinella?

  Would be more equipped to be like, uh, let me think here a minute.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:43Steven Rinella?

  Maybe I have some ideas than a person that has no idea about bows.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  And that is true. I think it was a, I just didn't want people to see me if it, if it backfired. Once I figured out how to shoot the bow, then when I go into archery, uh, the archery range was Finn and Feather in Iowa City. They like, I was like, okay, help me out now. I know how to shoot the bow. How do we figure out spine? How do we figure out this? Uh, and then they kind of guided me after that.

• 51:10Steven Rinella?

  What, what's your draw length?

• 51:12Speaker 03

  Uh, thirty two and a half and I usually run like a, an inch D loop.

• 51:17Steven Rinella?

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• 52:05Steven Rinella?

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• 52:48Steven Rinella?

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• 53:32Steven Rinella?

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• 54:06Steven Rinella?

  When you went back to the, our Store after buying that bow and walking out of there for the first time. What was when you went back the second time, what was their reaction? They're just like, we're waiting to see what happened with this.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  So I remember going back, the guy that was helping me, his name is Chris Mobley. And I was like, dude, I could shoot a bow. He's like, let me see.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  So I showed him and we immediately made a video. He's like, dude, we're making a video. And we made a video and that thing went viral as like the like, the only guy in the world with that arm shooting a bow.

• 54:42Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  And even then, even like, I remember doing that like a week or so after learning, we two weeks after figuring it all out. I was hitting a pot bottle lid at 20 yards, pretty much. Every single shot. Like within two weeks. Of learning even how to shoot the bow.

• 55:02Steven Rinella?

  And those guys probably feel pretty invested in at that point, they're probably like.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:06Steven Rinella?

  We want to see this work.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, at that point, they're like, okay, let's figure out, you know, how to get you some. You know, better equipment, like better stuff, you know, and and for me, it was all just because I wanted to go out in the woods and put food on the table. And I remember when I shot that deer, I remember being like, like, I got emotional because I'm like. This is the time I could put food on the table for my family. No one's telling me I can't do it, you know, like with jobs and all that stuff like I'm out here doing it. You know, like. I did that. I brought I'd brought the deer home. I hung it in the tree. I lived in town and I hug it. I hung it in the tree. So it could, you know, gutted it and all that stuff.

• 55:44Steven Rinella?

  I got to keep, I don't mean to keep asking the same question.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Hey, it's okay.

• 55:47Steven Rinella?

  Can you hang a deer in a tree by yourself?

• 55:49Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely. You know, I could climb tree stands.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  We got a video of that. Oh, yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  You know, people ask me all the time, like, when you go hunting, do you hunt on the ground or blinds like I'd? Tree stands are my favorite.

• 56:00Steven Rinella?

  Let's make a deal. If we encounter a thing where you just can't do it yourself, you just let me know that you couldn't do that yourself.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm not saying.

• 56:07Steven Rinella?

  Otherwise we'll sue me.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  I'm not saying this is the safest thing because I don't have any safety stuff on.

• 56:14Steven Rinella?

  Oh, no shit, man.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  But that's a 20, I think that was a 21 footer.

• 56:20Steven Rinella?

  Got it. That's gonna be my next question is, um, with your form. Can you shoot it? Can you shoot a downward angle pretty good?

• 56:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  Watched it. Beautiful buck.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  That was 50 yards.

• 56:35Steven Rinella?

  Dude, he started, he had a little get up and go before it got there too.

• 56:39Speaker 03

  I had to lead him a little bit.

• 56:41Steven Rinella?

  He was a little late to the game though, but.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  So, this, this moment that we're having right now is.

• 56:46Steven Rinella?

  I can't believe he's still going.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, he, he went down right there. This is why this moment for me is really awesome. So, I grew up in a.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  So, this is the, you guys are getting like, this, the good footage right now, and I want to tell you why. So, when I got into archery, yes, it was, you know, hunting and I grew up hunting and I never posted any of this on social media. And it's because when I got into the, the Olympic and Paralympic realm, I started getting like major sponsors, BP and Allianz and things like that. And so, I have tons of footage of me hunting all over the place with tons of things that I've harvested. And I've never posted on social media before because I was always concerned about the backlash for my sponsors.

• 57:33Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  But guess what? I'm retiring.

• 57:38Steven Rinella?

  Oh, why?

• 57:38Speaker 03

  From competition. This, this is my, uh, this is my, what, fourth games and I brought it around full circle. And I really want to spend a lot of time hunting and filming hunts and doing that kind of stuff. And I can't do it when I'm in the USOPC space. Like I'm, you know, like I just was considerate of my sponsors. So you guys are getting the very first ever.

• 57:59Steven Rinella?

  Well, you thought your sponsors would be like, put off and it'd give you a bunch of financial trouble if you were like posting hunting stuff?

• 58:06Speaker 03

  There was times like, uh, when I, yeah, like I would, you know, I would sign a, a big deal with, you know, BP or whatever. And they would be like, hey, we know you hunt and stuff like that. Um, but, you know, can, we're just going to politely ask you to just kind of keep that stuff. Like if you want to show a picture of you.

• 58:20Steven Rinella?

  Because Lord knows, we've never done anything that would harm anything.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  But it was, you know, I.

• 58:28Steven Rinella?

  We might have bagged a couple. With that oil spill we had, but.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  You know, I, uh, it's one of those things where it was like, I respect the fact that they were, they were giving me.

• 58:39Steven Rinella?

  Oh, listen, dude, I'm not hacking on you.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  Oh, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.

• 58:43Steven Rinella?

  It's just funny from that perspective.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  It is funny, but I am happy that I can now share that stuff and I don't care. You know what I mean? Like, that's who I am anyway. That's me. I am now to the point now where since I'm retiring from the Team USA, I will always shoot my bow.

• 59:01Steven Rinella?

  But could you stay in Team USA?

• 59:02Speaker 03

  I, I could stay on Team USA, but I'm like, I don't know how to top that. Yeah.

• 59:08Steven Rinella?

  No, I don't know if they've come up with anything like that.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  You can't top.

• 59:11Steven Rinella?

  Like a gold plus?

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, gold plus. Well, so here's what's interesting about the gold medal match too, is that, uh, I shot a world record. I shot one point off perfect, which means if I would have took that score into an able-bodied tournament, I would have won it.

• 59:25Steven Rinella?

  That's what I was gonna ask you.

• 59:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, so like, it's like.

• 59:28Steven Rinella?

  That's one of the questions in the back of my head is how, like,

• 59:32Steven Rinella?

  what are the Olympic rules? Like, are the rules such that you couldn't go to,

• 59:39Steven Rinella?

  what do you call the, I would, no.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  We call it the regular Olympics, I guess.

• 59:42Steven Rinella?

  What do you, yeah. Could you shoot the regular Olympics or, or can't you shoot the gear that they have to shoot?

• 59:48Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I would have to switch, I would have to switch, uh, to the recurves. Um, but a lot of it comes down to they don't want, I mean, the reality is they, the reality is it is equipment, but I already get like protests that are ready and able-bodied competitions.

• 1:00:04Steven Rinella?

  For what?

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  So, you ready? So, uh.

• 1:00:07Steven Rinella?

  You get, you get guys bitching about you in a regular competition?

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. So I only shoot against the para, the Paralympic people, uh, or people with physical disabilities when it's at like the Paralympic Games or like world championships. All the other tournaments I shoot against, I want to be the best in the world. So I shoot against the best in the world with arms, right? And in 2017, I won, um, outdoor national target championships against, um, Team USA, which is our best guys in the world. And I won by 20 some points. And it was a little bit windy that day. And within five minutes of me winning, um, a well-known archer who is very famous and a good friend of mine

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  complained and, uh, threw down the money and tried to get me booted because he said I shot in a chair. Therefore I was lower to the ground. Therefore I shot under the wind.

• 1:01:00Steven Rinella?

  Who's that person?

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, the reality is, if I were, if you were standing beside me and I was in my chair, I'd only been like, maybe two feet, a foot and a half lower, two feet lower than you.

• 1:01:11Steven Rinella?

  I don't know enough, I don't know enough about it to like, tell whether that's legitimate. I mean, the wind thing feels fishy, but I don't know enough about the whole thing to have like,

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  Wind blows everywhere. It was one of those things where, um, when I first got into archery, it was like-

• 1:01:26Steven Rinella?

  But there must have been something else. He wasn't talking about the wind.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  No, that's literally what was on the paperwork.

• 1:01:31Steven Rinella?

  No, no, but was that what was in his head?

• 1:01:34Speaker 03

  Probably not. He was just mad that I beat him.

• 1:01:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like the wind seems like a red herring to like, an equipment advantage, or whatever the hell.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. When I first started, it was cool because I had no arms, right? You're the guy without arms that shoots a bow. And then I started doing well and they're like, wow, like, let's say I won the fir- my first event. They're like, wow, congrats, you won. And then I started really winning. And then they're like, wait a minute, you have an unfair advantage. And then it turned into, you know how it gets-

• 1:01:58Steven Rinella?

  So if I gave you arms right now, like, whap, there you got arms. You're not gonna change your shooting form.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  I'd probably fight a surgeon to remove them.

• 1:02:14Speaker 05

  I'm curious like that.

• 1:02:20Speaker 05

  Like, is form, is for, like, in those competitions, is, is form regulated?

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  Right? Because like, that's, when I think about it, I think that's what really struck me watching you was like, you put a target out there, here's a guy, here's a bow, here's an arrow, arrow goes in the target. If I were doing this, if I were competing against you, I'd have the same equipment, same setup and everything. So like, other than saying you have to have two feet on the ground or whatever, I don't, like, if that's a rule, you know?

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  There actually is a rule that's like that where, before I, before I got into archery, they said you gotta have one foot, um, in front of the line and one foot behind the line.

• 1:03:01Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  And I was like, well, I sit in a chair. So, they, they made an exception for me.

• 1:03:08Speaker 05

  You just put the two front legs- With the chair above the line and the two back.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have the chair has to straddle the line.

• 1:03:14Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  One of the cool things, though, about archery that I, and I, I love a lot is, and I tell people this all the time, is that when they ask you, why did you really get into archery? Yes, it was because I wanted to provide and put food on the table, but archery doesn't care I have no arms. The bow just wants to be shot, right? If you take archery in the Paralympic space, it's one of the only events in all of Paralympics that we compete, that we could take our scores and put it with able-bodied scores and we would have beat them, or tied them, or been on the same page as them. Because if you look at, I don't want to bash swimming or anything like that, but you have swimming, you have different categories, like

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  if you have no arms, you race against only people with no arms, or like somebody who maybe has no legs, because you know, of the way the rules are. And they might have won a gold medal, but you take their time against Michael Phelps, and Michael Phelps is blowing them out of the water.

• 1:04:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Right? But you take me and archery, and you put me against the legit best Olympian in the world. Him and I, it could be a coin toss. I could beat him. And that's why I think it's so, with the same, yeah, the same, we run the same equipment, we rock and roll, it's just mental and who has, you know, who has the game that day, and it literally, you know, I can win. And that's why I love archery so much, because that's one of the only sports that I can do where I'm not stereotyped as an athlete, or divisioned down, or whatever, you know, I can just be the best in the world.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Mic drop.

• 1:04:49Steven Rinella?

  Turn the machine off.

• 1:04:54Steven Rinella?

  What, uh, when I was watching that profile piece on you, um, you can change a tire on a car. I'm back into it. I said, I said I was done talking about, but I'm back into it. You can change a tire on a car, but, okay. Can you, um,

• 1:05:12Steven Rinella?

  What about installing components on a bow? When you get like little teeny little screws, what do you do?

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  Ready for this? I do all my own stuff. They send me the bow, I set it up all myself.

• 1:05:23Steven Rinella?

  How do you?

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  I build my own arrows.

• 1:05:24Steven Rinella?

  But when you want to get, if you want to take an allen key.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:27Steven Rinella?

  And you want to take an allen screw.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:05:29Steven Rinella?

  And you want to wed the allen key and the allen screw.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:32Steven Rinella?

  And then you want to put that in a little teeny hole and line up those threads and go, uh, righty tighty.

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  Lefty loosey. Boom, I can do it.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  I, I believe, I believe in archery, you gotta have confidence in your equipment. And the only way that I'm gonna have confidence in my stuff is if I am the only one that puts my feet on it.

• 1:05:54Steven Rinella?

  I think you could have everybody in this room work on your bow and you'd be the only person who puts their feet on it.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  That's true, that's true. So, I, just a side note real quick, uh, I actually, um, a professional drag racer now. I have a professional drag racing license and I race a pro mod car with like a, you know, several thousand horsepower car. And I drive it with my feet and I work on it with my feet and I do all the stuff with it on my feet, you know, with my feet. And I joke all the time that I'm probably the only person in the world that can a foot pen, foot pound torque a car.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  But I've always been, I've always been gifted to use my feet like hands.

• 1:06:28Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  So, you know, one of the things that my dad, my dad was my principal. You know, I went to a school, but my dad was also the principal of the school.

• 1:06:36Steven Rinella?

  Uh huh.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  And during some, uh, PE things where like, let's say they're just like something I can't do in PE. He would take me down to his buddy's mechanic shop and I would spend the hour.

• 1:06:47Steven Rinella?

  Hmm, I see.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  So I learned, cause I, I always loved mechanics and, and how things work and designing and things like that. So, that's how I learned like, I think the dexterity in my toes, learning how to work on my own bows, swapping mods, you know, all that stuff.

• 1:07:05Steven Rinella?

  When you were trying to, you were talking about applying for jobs and people wouldn't give you a chance. What sorts of jobs are you applying for? Manufacturing or?

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  No, um, definitely not fast food.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  Why is there a toe print in my burger?

• 1:07:20Speaker 03

  Uh, a lot of it, the ones I remember specifically were like just driving jobs. Like I was just gonna be like, let's say, an O'Reilly's delivery driver. Drive and deliver parts. You know, AutoZone, things, you know, stuff like that that I could do, you know, easily. I remember one of them was, uh, I even did telemarketing for a little bit, but then I got fired because I couldn't type faster than 21 words per minute. You know, I typed 20, but like, ah, it doesn't make the gut. You know, like, just like little things like that, you know? So they weren't like jobs I couldn't do. I just would walk in and you would immediately see their face. Like, oh, he has no arms. He can't do anything. It's funny because, uh, when I won my silver in 2012,

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  I came back into the town that I lived in and everybody who wouldn't hire me, like they weren't gonna give me a job, were like, hey, you want a job? And I was like, wait a minute. That's backwards, but the reality was is that I, they saw what I did and they were educated by the fact that, okay, maybe he could have done something. You know, the education 14 years ago about what people can do with disabilities was not that great, right? Now, you can see what people with disabilities can do. You have people without legs climbing Mount Everest, you know what I mean? Like, people are amazing if you just give them a chance to prove what they can do, really.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, imagine you're a pioneer for other armless archers. You mentioned there might be a few more out there that are using your release.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Yes. I'm actually excited about it, actually.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  In Paris, there was four armless archers. That all had, and how you get into the games is you have to set, shoot elite scores and you have to like go through a trials process. It's not like you can just show up. They always want the best at these games. And all of these archers I've helped get there.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  And in fact, for LA, there'll probably be eight of them. And they're shooting like legit good scores.

• 1:09:15Steven Rinella?

  All guys that you had some relationship with?

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  And girls, yeah. So it's, it's, uh, the number one ranked women archer right now is a girl from India who's 17 with no arms.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  Oh, I think I saw her shoot.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  Yes, she actually won a bronze at this games in team rounds. And it's crazy because the joke is kinda like every country's getting theirselves an armless archer.

• 1:09:38Speaker 03

  Cause they all understand the benefits of having an armless archer, I guess. But now the reality too is that if you give somebody a purpose, they're gonna perform better than somebody without a purpose. And you give that armless person now, like just from me speaking of what archery gave to me and how I felt. Now you have all these, the other armless archers in this situation now have found that they can be the best in the world at something. They're gonna work so hard at it. They're gonna figure it out. And now that's what you're seeing. You're seeing armless archers right now.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  Out of the four that were at the games, you know, three, there's three armless people in the top, probably 10 in the world.

• 1:10:21Steven Rinella?

  What do they call the, what do they call whatever happened in development that, that would cause you to be born without arms?

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  Um, probably drinking.

• 1:10:31Steven Rinella?

  Oh, really?

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  No, I don't, I really, I really don't know. Uh, they did some tests on my mom, but they didn't find any.

• 1:10:37Steven Rinella?

  So it's not a known, there's not like a known name of a syndrome or something that would?

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  No, back in 1982, there was a bunch of stuff that, um, like not drugs, but like over the counter drugs that people were taking that were causing birth defects. But supposedly that was not what happened with me.

• 1:10:55Steven Rinella?

  And then do most, do you hang out with just like your normal buddies from hanging out? Do you mostly hang out with just total able-bodied dudes that you just have always known? Or have you become buddies with a lot of disabled shooters and?

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  I am buddies with a lot of disabled shooters and people like that, but I spend 99% of my time hanging out with people that have arms.

• 1:11:17Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, just like dudes you know.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Just dudes I know, you know, people like to hunt and fish and drive cars and have fires, you know?

• 1:11:27Speaker 05

  You, uh, you mentioned earlier, shooting a 22 at a squirrel. How do you shoot a rifle or a long gun or whatever?

• 1:11:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, actually, um, if I would, if I were to have known this now, what happened back then, but before I got into archery, I was probably 12 years old. I got my first 22, it was a Marlin, uh, 1022. And I could hit pennies at 50 yards. And I just thought like everybody could do that. Like I just have that gift of being able to like hit things like I'm really good aim. And I think it comes down to my mental process and like how I mentally process it, but.

• 1:12:04Steven Rinella?

  How do you shoot?

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, so when it comes to handguns, um, in my book, they're called foot guns, but um, I can actually hold them between my toes. My left foot holds like kind of like the, the grip and then my right foot. I kind of reach around and you can use my, one of my toes to activate the shot. I have videos, I should have sent you all these videos. Uh, but when it comes to a rifle, um, I usually sit, I have to sit down on the ground and a gentleman, a gentleman cross my legs again for that one. And then my right foot, I can actually hold, the stock and then I can reach the trigger with my left shoulder. So the, the butt of the gun is on my right shoulder. And then the left, then I can activate the shot with my, my left shoulder there. Yeah.

• 1:12:51Steven Rinella?

  Man.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  I, I, I figured it out. I, I don't know. I've just been this guy who's always been able to figure everything out and wanted to hunt and do all that stuff, yeah.

• 1:13:01Steven Rinella?

  When you were little, did you ever have, uh, like you're so optimistic and capable now and like not intimidated by shit, but did you ever have any kind of crises when you were a kid about? Do you know what I mean? Like have you always had this attitude or did you arrive at this attitude?

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  I, I definitely had the attitude when I was younger, but then my dad would just be like, get your shit together. You know, like the reality is, is that you're not going to have arms. That's the reality, right? Like you could sit on the couch and cry, complain about having no arms for the rest of your life. Or you could, you know, put on that clothes, those clothes right there and go out in the woods with me and let's go hunt. You know what I mean? Like let's go figure out what life is really about and live how you want to live. That's what he would always tell me. So every time I would get in that slump of, I want to play sports, right? And never getting picked first and always having to sit on the sidelines and watch everybody else play sports and just never being able to be a part of anything. When I would start feeling down about those moments, then he would just be like, dude.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  Get your crap together, like you can do this. So, I remember one day I wanted to be a professional basketball player. And instead of saying you can't do that, he actually went out and bought me a hoop. And said, "Here, I want you to start training right now." Like, that's how my dad was. He was never like, "You can't do anything." He was always like, you know, "You got a full life ahead of you. You can just, "You can be awesome if you wanted to. You have to make it happen, obviously, but, "Go make it happen and..."

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  What an incredible dad.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  That's why I'm saying, like, when I talk about being adopted, like, I'm perfectly fine with the fact that I got adopted into a family who was like that.

• 1:14:37Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. What's he think now?

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:14:43Speaker 03

  He won, he, uh, um, This was a pretty special moment for me because in Paris, I got to have my family there for the first time. And we called it the memory games for a long time. And

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  they were in the stands when I won. And I actually brought them down and we walked out onto the podium together.

• 1:15:05Steven Rinella?

  That was alright.

• 1:15:06Speaker 03

  So I'm the first person to be able to do that, which is really cool. And we're on the podium and my dad goes, "How come you didn't shoot a perfect score?"

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  Sounds like an Asian tiger mom.

• 1:15:19Speaker 03

  Of course he was, of course he was joking, right? Because he was crying and happy and it was like, "You missed perfect by, if you would have shot one point better, "You would have been the first person in history of the Olympic or Paralympic Games to shoot perfect."

• 1:15:32Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  And that's, that record would have stood forever in the history of it. Like, "Well, dad, I didn't."

• 1:15:38Speaker 03

  "I missed one."

• 1:15:41Speaker 03

  But it was, uh, That whole experience, just being in Paris with my family was pretty cool.

• 1:15:47Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, what's the, walk me through what the Olympics is like in general? Like, how long did you go for?

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  I was there for three weeks.

• 1:15:53Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  Uh, my family came over for seven days. I ended up, when they got there, Um, staying in Airbnb with them. I didn't even stay in the Olympic Village during that time. Yes, there's cardboard beds.

• 1:16:05Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  At the Village.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:16:07Steven Rinella?

  I don't know what that means.

• 1:16:08Speaker 03

  Uh, well-

• 1:16:09Speaker 05

  That was a big media story.

• 1:16:12Speaker 03

  It was like all over, yeah, you always had all these, like, There were, I remember a guy with a BMX bike showing you how crazy these beds were. But the whole, the whole bed is made out of cardboard so they can recycle it.

• 1:16:22Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  It's environmentally friendly.

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  And he was like doing really-

• 1:16:26Steven Rinella?

  More friendly than just the bed?

• 1:16:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  Basically.

• 1:16:32Speaker 05

  The Olympics have kind of overcorrected on not leaving a crazy footprint.

• 1:16:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Speaker 05

  Like a physical footprint after the games are done. And so they went with cardboard beds.

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  They went with cardboard beds.

• 1:16:42Speaker 05

  This year.

• 1:16:43Speaker 03

  However-

• 1:16:43Steven Rinella?

  And it was a problem?

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  Well, for a lot, oh, yeah. It was not for me because I like hunting and living on a, you know, the ground, right? So for me, I was like, hey, what are you guys complaining about? But there was a lot of people complaining about the fact that there was a cardboard, we're at the Olympics and it's a cardboard bed.

• 1:17:00Steven Rinella?

  So it's a big, thick sheet of cardboard you lay on?

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  Well, it, it's basically, imagine your bed frame being all cardboard. And then there's a little thin mattress on there.

• 1:17:10Steven Rinella?

  So what were they griping about?

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  Just to-

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  The red carpets.

• 1:17:13Speaker 05

  There are a lot of athletes that, that felt they'd trained their whole life for this moment and then they were gonna maybe not get the best night's sleep before their competition on a cardboard bed.

• 1:17:23Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, when you're sleeping, how do you know what the legs of the bed are made of?

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  I'm just relaying what I was told.

• 1:17:29Speaker 03

  To me, to me, it doesn't make any sense. Like, I was like perfectly fine with it. But you are right, there was a lot of people that were complaining about it.

• 1:17:37Steven Rinella?

  You're like, dude, I've been through, I've been through more challenging situations.

• 1:17:42Speaker 03

  I don't care about a cardboard, cardboard bed, you know, like-

• 1:17:45Steven Rinella?

  I got you.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  I think, yeah, LeBron James made a big stink about it.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  Well, they actually spent like thirty million dollars and went to their own private hotel and

• 1:17:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  lived in luxury, but, um, which is fine, you know?

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  But as far as the games are concerned, it is, it is awesome because I will tell you that it's kind of, for me, every four years when I've gone, it's that two-week period of time, or three-week period of time where nobody hates anybody.

• 1:18:17Steven Rinella?

  Oh, is that right?

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Like, everybody's getting along. You literally are, like, if there's a war going on, you're sitting beside the people who, like, you literally have the two countries that are at war, sitting beside each other, talking, sharing food, and laughing. It is one of the coolest things.

• 1:18:33Steven Rinella?

  I wouldn't, oh yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that, I guess.

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm not, like, I've seen it, you know, even in the field, like, in the field of play, and they're like, let's say, basketball, volleyball, whatever. Afterwards, they're very friendly, they're, you know, you know, hugging it out, like, it is a very, like, they all understand what they're there for, and it's just to have sport, and they forget about what's happening at home. And people are just people, and I've seen it every single games, and it is just so, like, it's a super awesome memory that I have, because you just see, you just see these two countries that are having a war right now, but yet, when they're at the games, they're just, like, completely friends.

• 1:19:14Steven Rinella?

  When you're, when you shot for the Olympics, the, um, how many, like, how often are you actually shooting to arrive at, like, through all the eliminations, you know what I'm saying? Like, how many arrows are you shooting?

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  Uh, quite a bit, 15 arrows per elimination round, and you go through, what, five, five elimination rounds?

• 1:19:33Steven Rinella?

  And that plays out over what period of time?

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  One day. Well, for us-

• 1:19:37Steven Rinella?

  Also, all of a sudden, it's like, here we go.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, for us, it was, we had one match, um, like, the first day, but it was raining, and the way they, they did the schedule, so then the next day, we had four matches, just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

• 1:19:49Steven Rinella?

  So that's what it comes down to?

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's one and done.

• 1:19:51Steven Rinella?

  I thought it'd be more, like, milked out, man.

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  No, no, and we only get one medal. Like, when we go, we, we get a shot at one medal.

• 1:19:59Steven Rinella?

  Got you, can't be like-

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  It's not like, if I don't do good now, I got the 100 meter tomorrow.

• 1:20:06Speaker 04

  I got 25 yards, only 50 yards only.

• 1:20:09Speaker 03

  Right, I could go after another one tomorrow, but that's not how it is.

• 1:20:11Steven Rinella?

  It's just that one 50 meter shoot?

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  Yep, and if you make a fist right now, that's the bullseye, that we have to hit at 50 meters. So it's like a three-inch circle.

• 1:20:19Steven Rinella?

  So when you get a deer at 50, you're like?

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• 1:23:57Speaker 03

  I do actually.

• 1:23:57Steven Rinella?

  You just flung some arrow at 300, right? 300 yards?

• 1:24:00Speaker 03

  310.

• 1:24:01Steven Rinella?

  Tell me what that's all about.

• 1:24:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, like I, that was actually the world record. So ironically, there's all these videos right now with these guys shooting. Like there's a guy, Dude Perfect, just did like a half a mile shot with a bow. And there's all these guys who shoot like 500 yards. But what they don't know, I still have the record, and this is why, this is what they don't know, is that in order to be a Guinness record for the longest, most accurate archery shot, your bow can only be 60-pound pull. And you only get three attempts and you have to call the shot. You don't get to just sit out there and fling it. Like you have to be like, this is for score and you shoot. And if you hit it on that attempt, then you get the record.

• 1:24:41Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 03

  Like. You know, they're out there all day shooting to hit a half a mile and they're like, "We got the record."

• 1:24:47Steven Rinella?

  And they're rigging up an aim point.

• 1:24:48Speaker 03

  There's lots of stuff, yeah, you don't get any of that stuff.

• 1:24:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I got you.

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  You literally, like, so, I wanted to set that record just to, you know, have an able-bodied record, I guess.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  So with your, like, competitions, that you said that you got a lot of backlash from winning all these competitions, did you get a lot of backlash from, like, for holding this record? Like, a lot of guys reaching out saying, "Well, I shot 500 yards," or...

• 1:25:11Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I did have some people that would send me messages like, "I could shoot farther than that." And I just, I don't give them the... I bet you can't. But here... That doesn't sound like the internet. Yeah, this is why I don't feed into the internet much.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  The comments on that shot will be like, "Well, you know, because he draws the bow back further than us, because he uses his legs, the arrow goes further." I'm like, I mean, yes, kinda, but that's not the point of what's happening here, like...

• 1:25:43Speaker 03

  Just because I use my legs, it doesn't mean I draw it back further, because I, I get it. But a lot of them just don't quite understand the concept of... And, and so I just let them bash or have their joys and I laugh about it and move on, because it's not worth, it's not worth my energy to, like, you know...

• 1:26:00Steven Rinella?

  It's so funny that there's an impulse to put the armless guy in his place.

• 1:26:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, always, always. I remember when I posted that I had just got my...

• 1:26:11Steven Rinella?

  He thinks he's such a big deal.

• 1:26:15Steven Rinella?

  Having no arms.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  Knock him down a room.

• 1:26:17Steven Rinella?

  Spored with a silver spoon in his mouth.

• 1:26:20Speaker 03

  Hey, listen, I could tell you right now that those people who comment that, I laugh, it makes my day. I, like, because none of it makes... When I got my, uh, professional driver's license for, or my NHRA or my, my drag racing license to be certified to legally drag race.

• 1:26:38Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:39Speaker 03

  And I posted the picture and it went viral because I'm the only armless guy to have done this, right? The amount of people that were, like, going on there and being like... How did he even sign his name? Uh, you know, this is fake because he doesn't have arms. He couldn't even sign the name on the, on the paper. And, and then the one guy goes, uh, I would never line up against him because, um, what if we're doing 100 miles an hour and the axle breaks? And then he's gonna wreck into me. I'm like, like, if the axle breaks, we're all done anyway. Like, like, like, I just wanna go there in this comment, but I don't say any of that stuff. And then one guy said, um, something about like, I don't know what I would do if I ever raced against an armless guy.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  And then my buddy commented, like, you probably don't want any of him. And, and one of the reasons why he's fast is because he cut his arms off to save weight. And I was like, oh my goodness, like, I had, I told my buddies, like, dude, stop commenting. You're just hanging it on now. Now the backlash is just gonna come even more, but.

• 1:27:39Steven Rinella?

  I don't know if you've ever heard of that fellow named Shakespeare, but, uh, what's, heavy is the head that wears the crown. Is that Shakespeare?

• 1:27:46Speaker 03

  I believe so.

• 1:27:49Steven Rinella?

  Isn't it?

• 1:27:50Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 1:27:50Steven Rinella?

  Either way, heavy is the head that wears the crown.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  I don't wear a crown, so.

• 1:27:55Steven Rinella?

  You got that big ass gold thing on.

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Steven Rinella?

  You could make a crown out of that.

• 1:28:01Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:28:02Steven Rinella?

  Heavy is the, heavy is the foot that carries the gold.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  That carries, that carries the gold. You know, just something I wanted to just say real quick is China, I knew I was gonna win that match. And it's the first time in my professional career that I knew I was gonna win something.

• 1:28:17Steven Rinella?

  How'd you know?

• 1:28:18Speaker 03

  Because when, when.

• 1:28:20Steven Rinella?

  He was shooting a good game.

• 1:28:21Speaker 03

  Oh, he was rolling. He was good. So as the higher ranked archer, you get to decide if you get to shoot first or second. And it is in your advantage to shoot first because then you set the tone. And.

• 1:28:33Steven Rinella?

  I, I, I can't just nod and act like I know what that means. What does that mean?

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  So let's say you and I are shooting in an event. And based on qualification round.

• 1:28:42Steven Rinella?

  No, no, what's setting the tone?

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  So if you, let's say you get to decide you shoot first or second. You shoot first, right?

• 1:28:48Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  You shoot a 10. Now I shoot, cause you alternate.

• 1:28:52Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's the tone.

• 1:28:53Speaker 03

  Now I'm like, oh, I just saw you shoot a 10. I gotta hang with it.

• 1:28:56Steven Rinella?

  I see.

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  And a lot of people can't do that.

• 1:28:58Steven Rinella?

  I got you.

• 1:28:59Speaker 03

  But because I was a lower ranked archer the entire games, I shot second the entire, all of it. So when I went into the gold medal match, right before we went out, he goes, you're shooting first. And you, and I was like, oh, he's done. He's done. And the reason is because he was more concerned about getting in my head about my game than he was about his own game because he was trying to mentally throw me off. He didn't realize I didn't care. I didn't care if I shot first or second. Like, I don't, I don't care. I don't, I don't worry about that stuff. And he was worried about it.

• 1:29:30Steven Rinella?

  And it gave you a glimpse.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  And if you notice, like, closer to the end of the match, he, he started just choo, choo, and, and it's funny because there's one match, or one arrow when you shoot, and he almost shoots an eight, and he looks at his bow and he, like, pretends to adjust his sight. Well, that's this far off. His bow didn't just poof in 30 seconds go from bullseye to this far off because of his sight moved. But he acted like his sight was off. And I was like, oh, he's so done. He didn't want the people on TV to look and go, oh, he just shot an eight. Like, I better act like my sight was messed up. Yeah, and it was, and I knew, like, I knew it was over. He was so in his head. And I knew when I walked out there, it was like the first time, like, this peace came over me,

• 1:30:12Speaker 03

  and I was calm, and I was like, this dude's gone. This guy's losing. It was so, I don't know, I can't explain it. I've had that feeling with a deer before, too, where I was just like, oh. Uh, 74 yards. So in Iowa, I get three buck tags because I have no arms and I can take advantage of the disability season.

• 1:30:34Steven Rinella?

  I'm sure this has been, the unfairness of this has been pointed out on social media, no doubt.

• 1:30:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, well. So, we're... Yeah, boy, he... I'm out hunting and it's like, I'm saving my tag because I have one, I have one that I'm watching, and it's like the last day. And this buck comes out, I think it's, I don't, I don't even know if we had it named, but it was a deer that we knew we had to take out of the herd. Right? It was, the antlers on the right were deformed and he kind of walked with a limp or whatever. And I just knew we needed to get him out. And I was like, well, I don't want to just waste a tag, so he's good eating. I'll just take this one out of the herd. I still have two more buck tags. 74 yards, choosh, and, and we filmed it.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  And it's, and I, my brother, he films it. And my brother takes the camera as soon as I whack him and he, he goes like 30 yards. And he turns to me and I'm like, like excited, right? And I, he's like, dude, how does it feel to shoot your own kind? I was like, I was like, what? And I just shot a disabled deer. I was like, oh no. Oh no. Uh, it was good eating, but.

• 1:31:43Speaker 05

  What's more nerve wracking, the gold medal shot or shooting that buck?

• 1:31:47Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't know.

• 1:31:49Speaker 05

  Gotta keep your composure, which obviously you're really good at.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  The deer, the deer, um, honestly none, I don't know. I just have this gift, so the, the adrenaline and all that stuff doesn't happen till afterwards.

• 1:32:00Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:32:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's huge. I'd love some of that.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Hopefully I could do that in trivia. Oh, is that, you get adrenaline? You get like buck fever? You get this trivia fever?

• 1:32:12Speaker 03

  Does your arm start shaking like this?

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  No, I just get into a room where I'm like, all these guys know a bunch of, to me, useless information that I don't know.

• 1:32:23Speaker 02

  I wanted, I wanted to ask, cause I saw something that I'm actually more jealous of than the gold medal. You gotta meet, uh, Jackie Chan.

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yes.

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  You gotta meet Jackie. So what, can you walk me through that? Like, well, how'd that come to be?

• 1:32:37Speaker 03

  Oh, I should probably, I, too bad I couldn't show you some clips. Um, the vice president of the Olympics, uh, was like, sent me a message the day before and he's like, uh, I think Jackie Chan wants to meet you. And I'm like, so I, but I was like, come on, Jackie Chan never, no, everybody says they want to meet me and then, then it never happens. And so I shot my first match and as soon as it was over, they pulled me off the side. And apparently Jackie Chan showed up specifically to come watch me shoot that match. And went in the back and I got to meet him and of course I watched all his movies when I was younger. And it was pretty cool. Um, one of the funniest things though that happened was he picked up my bow. And he's like, whoa, like in his accent, like whoa, you know?

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  And then, and then he, then we took a picture and then he told me to get out of the picture. Cause he just wanted a picture with the bow. He's like, he's like, now you go. And it was like this cool red, white and blue bow that Hoyt had made for me just for the games. And it was like this, you know, it's the one, only one that's like it, right? And he, he just wanted a picture with the bow.

• 1:33:39Speaker 05

  Is he a big archery guy?

• 1:33:40Speaker 03

  No, he's, um, not really. He's a, a fan of. People doing incredible things that they never thought that people could do. So like, he wanted to meet me because of the fact that I was just,

• 1:33:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:56Speaker 03

  You know, an archer without arms that was doing alright. And then, after I won, after I won, so him and I have, are still stayed friends now. So after I won, he sent me a message, he goes, I had, what'd he say? "I had no doubt that you were gonna win." And then I said, "Oh, thanks." And he goes, "But, um, I think you could have done a little bit better." I'm like, "What do you mean?"

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, the tiger parrot came out. He's like, "Well, you almost beat the world, you almost got the perfect score." So I was like, "The second time I've heard that." I'm like, "Yeah."

• 1:34:27Steven Rinella?

  When you look at that 1.9 you got, uh, do you know what happened?

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, it just wasn't, it was, it was a little bit to the, I think it was high or something like that.

• 1:34:39Steven Rinella?

  No, I mean, did you know, did you know like as you were letting it go?

• 1:34:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it just wasn't correct. In fact, if you watch the video, you actually see me tell the crowd it's okay. Like, as soon as I shoot, like, I knew, and I'm like, "It's okay, it's fine." Like, I just knew, like,

• 1:34:52Steven Rinella?

  You're like, "This isn't me falling apart."

• 1:34:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:54Steven Rinella?

  That was a one-time deal.

• 1:34:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I knew exactly. I drifted a little bit when the shot broke, and it went right there.

• 1:35:00Steven Rinella?

  Hmm. Uh-huh. And you didn't let it, you didn't let it melt you down?

• 1:35:03Speaker 03

  No, you know, one of the, one of the cool things, and I talk about this quite a bit, as far as people wanna know if I'll over-coach someone to be the best at something, but the, to the, to the measures that I had to take to be the best in the mental space to handle all of that, like, the ways I had to trick my body and mentally. So, one of the things is I didn't shoot my bow for like three months going, before I went to the games.

• 1:35:26Speaker 04

  No shit.

• 1:35:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:28Steven Rinella?

  How's that helpful?

• 1:35:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm gonna tell you why. So, when you, in the previous games, like, I've shot, shot, shot, I knew I was the best, I knew I could win, and then I would get there and something were hap, something happened. And it was out of my control, like, in Rio, a knock broke and put me out, right?

• 1:35:45Speaker 03

  I put so much pressure on myself that I've trained for this moment for four years. I need to win.

• 1:35:52Speaker 03

  That, that kind of mentality can come back and bite you. Because then you start putting too much pressure while you're shooting. Let's say you make a bad shot, then you start falling apart because now you just wasted four years of your life. I've been there in previous games. I felt that feeling. So I had to tell my body, my brain, that going into this games, like, it didn't matter what happened. Because if I don't do good, I can just blame it on the fact that I didn't prepare.

• 1:36:20Speaker 03

  But I had prepared. It was a way of telling myself that it's okay. It's okay that you don't win. You're capable of winning.

• 1:36:31Steven Rinella?

  When you started that break though, when you started that, when you set the bow down, you set the bow down in a position of perfection.

• 1:36:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. I knew it was fine.

• 1:36:41Steven Rinella?

  No, I mean like, not, I don't mean the bow, but you.

• 1:36:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:43Steven Rinella?

  Like when you called it, you were there.

• 1:36:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yep.

• 1:36:48Steven Rinella?

  And you, and if you weren't there, then you couldn't take the break, but you just got there and you knew you were there.

• 1:36:52Speaker 03

  Yep. I knew it.

• 1:36:53Steven Rinella?

  But then the next arrow you shot wasn't for competition.

• 1:36:58Steven Rinella?

  So when you got there, you shot a little bit, right?

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, just a little bit. Like 10, 15 arrows and then I just rolled right into it.

• 1:37:05Steven Rinella?

  Were you feeling good?

• 1:37:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I knew it was over. I, I knew there was, there was a moment in time during qualification round where I was having a problem with my release. And I took it apart and I cleaned it up and I went back to shooting and it was like crisp and clean. And my arrows just instantly went to like the grouping of a, you know, a three inch circle and I was just like, oh. The last time I released broke. Uh, I was in 64th place and I came back to win the world championship in Dubai. And I was like, oh, that happened now. And sure enough. It's a way of putting your, it's a way of just going out there and enjoying the moment. And not having all the pressure of you have to win. Cause I know if I just do what I've trained to do, like I'm gonna be fine. You know, it's the pressure.

• 1:37:52Speaker 03

  Everybody says, oh, it's Olympic or it's the Paralympics, right? And there's all this pressure that you have to perform. But what's the difference between that one and at your house? The ways I train at my house, though, have, are not what everybody else does either. So like I've jumped out of planes. And then I'll land by the target and I'll shoot until my adrenaline wears off. Then I'll jump out of planes and then like, um, or. We ought to try that.

• 1:38:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're taking notes. Season 2025.

• 1:38:16Speaker 03

  So I'm not, I had this idea in 2013 where I wanted.

• 1:38:20Steven Rinella?

  I just did that for the first time and holy cow.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  It's a blast.

• 1:38:23Steven Rinella?

  Well, yeah, but I mean, you're like, you're in an altered.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  Cause I, it doesn't help me. I just thought like.

• 1:38:28Steven Rinella?

  You're in an altered state when you land, man.

• 1:38:31Speaker 03

  But your heart gets, it naturally creates adrenaline. You start pumping. I always thought it'd be cool to jump out of a plane, um, up in Alaska for a grizzly bear hunt. And then like. Land close to one and then shoot a grizzly bear.

• 1:38:44Steven Rinella?

  You can't, you can't hunt same day fly.

• 1:38:46Speaker 03

  I know. So it won't work. But. Anyway, so I would, I would do that kind of stuff and before.

• 1:38:53Steven Rinella?

  You have to land and sit there.

• 1:38:55Speaker 03

  You have to land, sit there for a day.

• 1:38:56Speaker 05

  Parachute in 11:58 PM.

• 1:38:59Speaker 03

  You might be able to do that. But. Those are the kind of extents of the training that I took. Um, there was a shot that right before I took the three, the three month break. I opened the doors of my house and I take my. Drags my Pro Mod car and I put it out at a hundred yards. And then on the backside of it, I put a target with a balloon. And then I take my Olympic medal that I won in London and I wrap it around the balloon. So I have a, an eight inch balloon at a hundred yards. And then I go on the backside of my house and I shoot through my, the arrow goes. In the back of the house, through the house, out the front door, through a little window in my car about this big, through the car,

• 1:39:44Speaker 03

  through the metal and then hits the balloon. And if I mess up of any of it, I hit the house, hit the car, which is expensive.

• 1:39:49Steven Rinella?

  Hit the balloon.

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  Hit the metal that I can't replace. Like I added, I, I, I was shooting to add value to my shot.

• 1:39:56Steven Rinella?

  The only thing you do now is you take one of your kids, be like, I want you to stand right here.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  Don't move.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  Don't move. I actually joke about that. One time I was somewhere and I said, they said, would you ever shoot an apple off someone's head? I said, I mean, I feel like I'm good enough to not miss the apple, but I can't control the person who's standing there, whether they flinch or whatever. And then I said, but honestly, I guess it really doesn't matter because if I do miss and the guy end up getting hit, I said, uh, I still am not gonna go to jail because I don't leave fingerprints.

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 1:40:31Steven Rinella?

  You know, we're, we're working on this deal. Me and Randall are finishing up this history of the mountain men that we're working on. We did one on, we did one called The Long Hunters and it was about the deer, whitetail deer skin trade, Daniel Boone and them. Now we're doing one about the, the beaver market. So Jim Bridger, Jed Smith. And there's a story that's in there. There's these two guys that used to have a drinking trick where they would shoot uh, cups off each other's heads.

• 1:40:59Speaker 03

  With bows or slingshots? Guns.

• 1:41:02Steven Rinella?

  They'd shoot cups off each other's heads. It's like, just like, like a party trick they would do. They get in a big fight over a woman, right?

• 1:41:09Speaker 05

  I forget what it was, but they had a quarrel.

• 1:41:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, they get in a big fight. They eventually pat shit up. And to demonstrate just how good they are with each other, how cool they are now, they go to do their drinking trick.

• 1:41:23Steven Rinella?

  And he smokes the guy.

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 1:41:26Speaker 05

  He might not have totally gotten over that argument.

• 1:41:28Speaker 03

  He was probably definitely not over that argument.

• 1:41:31Steven Rinella?

  Kills the guy and then another guy kills that guy. Cause he knew.

• 1:41:35Speaker 03

  Cause he knew.

• 1:41:35Steven Rinella?

  Was a mistake.

• 1:41:36Speaker 05

  And then he drowned.

• 1:41:37Steven Rinella?

  And that guy drowned.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  So the moral of the story is don't shoot anybody.

• 1:41:41Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, be careful with your party tricks.

• 1:41:45Steven Rinella?

  The amount of people that die in this thing is unbelievable.

• 1:41:49Speaker 03

  Is that a story online I can read, read about?

• 1:41:51Steven Rinella?

  You have to listen. It's audio original.

• 1:41:52Speaker 03

  Audio? I'm gonna have to listen to it.

• 1:41:54Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, we'll tell you the whole damn story. Either way, when people think, who's the writer that hit somebody with a bow? Burrows, right?

• 1:42:03Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:42:03Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, didn't Burrows? Type that up. I thought Burrows shot, I think, didn't Burrows?

• 1:42:10Speaker 05

  He tried to William Tell somebody?

• 1:42:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, killed somebody, didn't he?

• 1:42:13Speaker 03

  William S. Burrows?

• 1:42:14Steven Rinella?

  Type in Burrows, Apple, Robin Hood. It was Burrows.

• 1:42:19Speaker 05

  Thanks, Phil.

• 1:42:20Steven Rinella?

  Killed her, right? Yes, and also Heavy, Heavy's the head that wears the crown, that was Henry the Fourth, that was Shakespeare as well, so you're just on a, you're on a tear today. Damn, man, and I got Burrows, right? Tropical cancer, tropical Capricorn? Burrows?

• 1:42:33Speaker 03

  How far was the shot on the William Tell, do you think? Considering the technology.

• 1:42:37Steven Rinella?

  Is it true?

• 1:42:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, is that story true?

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  He killed Joanne Volmer.

• 1:42:40Speaker 05

  I think it's apocryphal.

• 1:42:42Speaker 03

  According to Wikipedia, anyways.

• 1:42:46Steven Rinella?

  He killed her.

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:48Steven Rinella?

  Was it a bow or a gun?

• 1:42:51Steven Rinella?

  He didn't get in a hell of a lot of trouble, I don't think.

• 1:42:53Speaker 03

  In 1951, Burrows killed Volmer.

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  It was a drunken attempt at playing William Tell. Doesn't say how far it was.

• 1:43:01Speaker 05

  Wait, so she was drunk too?

• 1:43:02Steven Rinella?

  When you miss, why do people always miss down, why do they always miss low? You never hear about the guy that misses high.

• 1:43:08Speaker 05

  You gotta aim at the top of the apple.

• 1:43:10Speaker 03

  I actually know why. I always know why they miss low.

• 1:43:13Steven Rinella?

  Tell me.

• 1:43:13Speaker 03

  So, when you, when you're hunting, do you come from the target down, or do you go from the target up?

• 1:43:20Steven Rinella?

  Do you want to know the truth?

• 1:43:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:22Steven Rinella?

  I come from the left.

• 1:43:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:43:28Speaker 03

  I mean, that works.

• 1:43:30Steven Rinella?

  I've never shot an arrow in my life, I don't, I come from the left.

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  So, which way, is it your pins are, are they facing the right? On your, on your, yours?

• 1:43:40Steven Rinella?

  I shoot left-handed.

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:43:41Steven Rinella?

  And I come in from the left. My pin comes in from the left, horizontal.

• 1:43:45Speaker 03

  So you follow the pin in, so you can see, basically?

• 1:43:47Speaker 05

  The bow goes across the target.

• 1:43:49Steven Rinella?

  Like, if I drew back right now and I'm gonna shoot Randall, right in the tip of his nose.

• 1:43:54Speaker 03

  Right in his apple.

• 1:43:54Steven Rinella?

  Well, I'd probably hit low, right above his.

• 1:43:56Speaker 05

  Imaginary apple, we just go with that.

• 1:43:58Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but I'm at, okay, I'm gonna come to draw. Okay?

• 1:44:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:02Steven Rinella?

  I'm shooting like how I did when I was a kid. I'm gonna come to draw, and I'm gonna go.

• 1:44:08Steven Rinella?

  Pop, right in the head.

• 1:44:09Speaker 03

  So you move, you, so you.

• 1:44:11Steven Rinella?

  The apple's still there.

• 1:44:14Speaker 03

  So, so you move to the right because your sight pin is on the left side. So you, if you're moving to the right, you can see what you're coming into the shot.

• 1:44:21Steven Rinella?

  That's what it is.

• 1:44:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:23Steven Rinella?

  Well, I can't, when I shoot just like instinctive with no pins, I don't, I don't remember what I did. But I've been shooting pins so long, that's how I do it.

• 1:44:30Speaker 03

  I mean, I wouldn't change it, it's working.

• 1:44:32Steven Rinella?

  I don't know, but I wouldn't know, I don't.

• 1:44:36Steven Rinella?

  I mean, it works, like, sure, sometimes. A lot, a lot of the time, not all the time.

• 1:44:42Speaker 03

  A lot of, a lot of archers, a lot of beginners, for even people that are not beginners, they usually start below the target and come up, which is not bad. I mean, it's, it's bad to do that, but that's probably why they always hit low. They start low and come up. I always start above the target and then I relax my legs to let the.

• 1:45:02Steven Rinella?

  Oh, is that right?

• 1:45:03Speaker 03

  So you're more at a relaxed state. If you're, if you're, you gotta use muscles to lift it into place, but if you're above it, you can relax to come down.

• 1:45:11Steven Rinella?

  What's your breathing like? Like, what are you doing, like, when you're breathing?

• 1:45:14Speaker 03

  Uh, I hold my breath, actually.

• 1:45:17Steven Rinella?

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• 1:46:02Steven Rinella?

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• 1:46:46Steven Rinella?

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• 1:48:12Steven Rinella?

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• 1:48:39Steven Rinella?

  You know, I was talking about your, your form is so straight, you um, you kinda like, you like, you uh, adjust your mouth a little bit, every time.

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:47Steven Rinella?

  The left side of your mouth.

• 1:48:48Speaker 03

  Just, just.

• 1:48:49Steven Rinella?

  It's got a quiver to it.

• 1:48:50Speaker 03

  Just a little bit.

• 1:48:50Steven Rinella?

  It's something you do. I was watching, it's like, the same. Like, you got it, you got your form, your form is like, when you shoot, it's like how you shoot. You don't like add new little, you don't add new little things in now and then.

• 1:49:04Speaker 03

  I, I spent eight hours a day, when I first started shooting, for basically ten or eleven years. Just eight hours a day. That was my life.

• 1:49:14Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:49:15Steven Rinella?

  Did you ever, did you ever blow a shot on a deer?

• 1:49:19Speaker 03

  Uh, it's been a long time. I think in the last twelve years, maybe two.

• 1:49:26Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:49:26Speaker 03

  And it wasn't because I blew it completely.

• 1:49:30Speaker 03

  I was, uh, it turned, or it jumped, you know, and it just was a bad shot.

• 1:49:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like that buck you showed us, he was, he was like, I should probably get going.

• 1:49:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, he knew it was coming. He knew it was coming. But I, I led that one. I was like, he was in open field and I knew. I, I took the gamble because I was hoping he would go forward versus duck it.

• 1:49:50Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:49:51Speaker 03

  Uh, but I, I, the gamble was good on that one.

• 1:49:53Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:54Speaker 04

  Do you have any uh, dream hunts? Elk, elk guy, I don't know, other, other critters?

• 1:49:59Speaker 03

  Elk and grizzly bear. I wanna shoot a grizzly bear. And I, I wanna be like, on the ground too. I don't wanna be up in a tree stand. I, I can hunt really good off the ground. So, with the short axle, axle bows, I can just, I don't need a chair or nothing, I can just sit around the ground and and, and I like that, I like the adventures of that and.

• 1:50:20Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:20Speaker 03

  So, someday, someday. I've missed, I've had several people offer me grizzly bear hunts. Um, in exchange for like some promotional things, but it always fell over like a, some major tournament. So, that's, that's one of the reasons why I like, I, I wanna retire from the competition side, because I want, I want to eventually, these guys are gonna stop saying, "Hey, do you wanna come hunt?" You know, because it's been like, you know, three or four years of me saying, "Sure," and then, "Oh, hey, I got something that I came up," and I wanna take advantage of that. And I would love to elk hunt at some point, too.

• 1:50:50Steven Rinella?

  This is probably a stupid question, but, um...

• 1:50:55Speaker 05

  I mean, when you're hunting, what percentage of the time are you wearing? You're obviously, when you're in a shot situation, you're not wearing shoes. Like on a grizzly bear hunt, or something like that, or, you know, like when you're hiking in. Are you hunting in bare feet a lot, or are you taking your shoes off before you shoot? Like, what's the, what's the strategy there?

• 1:51:17Speaker 03

  The joke that I always tell everybody is, especially if you're hunting when it's cold out in a stand in Iowa. It really takes a lot, it takes a good deer for me to want to take off my sock and shoe. In three degree weather.

• 1:51:28Steven Rinella?

  You got like a boot you just slip on when you're up there to keep warm?

• 1:51:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got like a quick, a quick boot, but now, but now I have, um, they make toe socks.

• 1:51:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:51:37Speaker 03

  And they actually have toe shoes.

• 1:51:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:51:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:40Speaker 03

  So, and.

• 1:51:41Speaker 05

  And you have the dexterity?

• 1:51:42Speaker 03

  And I have the dexterity that I can still use those.

• 1:51:44Speaker 05

  Oh, that works?

• 1:51:45Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:51:46Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:51:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:47Steven Rinella?

  Well, you know, you should, it's good that, this is a good platform to bring up that you'd like to go elk and grizzly hunting. Tell people how to find you.

• 1:51:57Speaker 03

  Okay, so, um, where do I begin? Facebook is kind of like my main.

• 1:52:02Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:52:03Speaker 03

  Platform, so if you go under The Armless Archer, you can always send me messages there. I do have Instagram and Twitter that I'm working on building.

• 1:52:10Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:52:10Speaker 03

  And I believe they are Armless Archer. That's one of the. And then I might have Armless Matt as well on one of them.

• 1:52:18Speaker 05

  There's a theme there.

• 1:52:18Speaker 03

  There's a theme there.

• 1:52:21Steven Rinella?

  I also think that, uh, someone should be able to make you some, um, gutten gloves. So, and it'd be like, you'd prefer it to be like a thumbless mitten?

• 1:52:31Speaker 03

  Basically, yeah. As long as I have a dexterity, so if you, if you, on my big toe and the, and the toe right beside it.

• 1:52:38Steven Rinella?

  Do you want a pocket for your big toe coming off the side of that sucker?

• 1:52:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:52:42Steven Rinella?

  I don't know if anybody in, I don't know if anybody listening deals in that kind of stuff.

• 1:52:46Speaker 03

  So, when I.

• 1:52:46Steven Rinella?

  Be a nice little thing.

• 1:52:47Speaker 03

  When I got into the racing side of things, ironically, one of the things that kept me from going 200 miles an hour. Was the fact that I didn't have the proper foot gloves as far as safety.

• 1:52:58Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  Fireproof, so.

• 1:53:01Speaker 03

  Last year, a company, Stan21, made me full-on custom, like, the highest fireproof rated sock foot gloves on the market. And so now I, now this year, coming into this next year, I'll be able to do 200 miles an hour, legally, without getting in trouble.

• 1:53:17Steven Rinella?

  You got fire-retarded foot gloves.

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  Fire-retarded foot gloves, so, I know there's a way, I know there's a way to make these gloves work, you know, for even, even if there was a better glove that I could wear for hunting, right, like, that was warmer than a skinny shoe or something like that.

• 1:53:36Steven Rinella?

  You know what you might try out, man, I think it might be a good product for you to look into, is, there's a company called Wiggy's.

• 1:53:44Speaker 03

  Wiggy's?

• 1:53:45Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, W-I-G-G-Y.

• 1:53:47Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:53:48Steven Rinella?

  Wiggy's, and he makes a, um, he makes like a overboot, a muck-luck overboot.

• 1:53:56Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:57Steven Rinella?

  That's like unbelievable. It's meant to be that you can put it over your height, you can put it over your boot. But a lot of like stand-sitters in super cold areas, you can just go to your stand in your frickin sneakers.

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:54:09Steven Rinella?

  And put that thing on, but I have a set of them, and the way they're lined and mega insulated, you'd be able to just put, if you had your sock on or whatever the hell, and you're in your stand, you'd just be able to drop your foot in there and just lift it right out of there.

• 1:54:21Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:54:22Steven Rinella?

  And you couldn't possibly get cold.

• 1:54:24Speaker 03

  So, here, here's a question for them then, because I've had this-

• 1:54:27Steven Rinella?

  Dude, can you just buy one?

• 1:54:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I only need right foot.

• 1:54:32Steven Rinella?

  So if there's anyone that wants to go in on a set of boots, then that.

• 1:54:39Speaker 03

  You know, I did have a deer get spooked one time when I took off my sock, and I was like, I know I washed my feet, but walking in if you're sweating, you know?

• 1:54:47Steven Rinella?

  Mmm, yeah.

• 1:54:48Speaker 03

  So, like, that's one of the things I tried to not over, like, it's okay to have a foot a little bit colder, you know, it's okay to freeze it a little bit.

• 1:54:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:57Speaker 03

  Because walking in if you're sweating in your foot, and you have to take off your shoe to shoot, then you get a little bit of that odor going.

• 1:55:03Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I'll tell you what I would do, man, if I didn't have any arms, I'd take-

• 1:55:08Steven Rinella?

  One of those boots I'm talking about and I'd hot glue that son of a bitch to a little piece of plywood. So it's sitting there, right?

• 1:55:14Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:15Steven Rinella?

  And I would just very gingerly.

• 1:55:18Speaker 03

  Slide it right out.

• 1:55:18Steven Rinella?

  That's my foot coming out of there. Cause it's hot glued to a board. Or I'd hot glue the son of a bitch right to my stand.

• 1:55:24Speaker 03

  You just have to put it in there. You have to do that.

• 1:55:28Speaker 03

  I'll need like thirty, thirty gloves. I got stands everywhere, son.

• 1:55:34Speaker 05

  Kind of there is full of snow or water.

• 1:55:36Speaker 03

  He wants to sponsor me thirty of them.

• 1:55:38Steven Rinella?

  No, when I leave, when I leave, if I didn't have any arms, I'd take a five gallon bucket.

• 1:55:43Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:55:44Steven Rinella?

  And I'd set it right over that boot. Keep the rain and snow out.

• 1:55:47Speaker 03

  See, he's, he's thought this all through.

• 1:55:49Steven Rinella?

  All of your problems are solved.

• 1:55:52Speaker 04

  Steve the engineer.

• 1:55:54Steven Rinella?

  So you need a bunch of boots and some five gallon buckets. You need a bucket sponsor.

• 1:55:58Speaker 03

  You need a bucket sponsor.

• 1:56:01Speaker 03

  That, I mean, that would work. You know, I, I think a lot of it though is. I play the wind. I have to think about the foot thing quite a bit. So I just, I play the wind and I like to be somewhat mobile-ish. You know, so.

• 1:56:15Steven Rinella?

  Alright, so don't glue, don't glue your boot to a board.

• 1:56:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, don't glue the boot to the board.

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  No, I, uh, one time on accident, I stayed at a buddy's place and he had a. A log fire to heat his hunting cabin. And I remember going out in the woods that night or that morning and I'm like, oh, all my stuff, I forgot. Everything smells like smoke. Just reeks of like wood fire.

• 1:56:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:37Speaker 03

  I had, that was like one of my most successful weeks I've ever had. I was sitting by a tree. It was still dark out and I had a doe just walk like, you know, from here to the camera. Just beep and like smell my clothes and then walked off. I'm like, what? There is something to the smoke.

• 1:56:50Steven Rinella?

  We're in, we're in Wired to Hunt territory now, but yeah, man, like there's a lot, there's a lot of opinion out there about, there's a lot of opinion out there about how a. Lot of opinion about how ungulates regard the smell of smoke.

• 1:57:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:07Steven Rinella?

  Like how omnipresent it is. And then also, when you have smoke on you, is it covering it? Or is it that there's the smell of smoke, which is there? But also, there's the smell of you.

• 1:57:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:57:24Steven Rinella?

  And, and it's just like, it's not that one overrides the other. It's just that there's two things happening.

• 1:57:29Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:57:30Steven Rinella?

  You know what I mean? Like, oh, it's smoky.

• 1:57:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:32Steven Rinella?

  And there's a dude.

• 1:57:36Steven Rinella?

  But yeah, I don't know. It, it, you know, it'd be, it'd be great. I'd like to have a show. If I ever do another podcast, it's gonna be where I interview game animals.

• 1:57:46Speaker 04

  You're gonna need a medium to talk to the deer.

• 1:57:48Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'd have a big buck in.

• 1:57:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:57:51Steven Rinella?

  And I'd be like, Kate, like, during the rut, man.

• 1:57:56Steven Rinella?

  You're kinda out, you're out a lot, you know?

• 1:57:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:58Steven Rinella?

  You're out walking around a lot during the rut. Like, are you nervous?

• 1:58:03Speaker 03

  I've been run over by deer before. I've been run over by a deer during rut.

• 1:58:09Steven Rinella?

  Huh? That was hit?

• 1:58:10Speaker 03

  No, I was, I was sitting on the ground. I was laid into the stand and there was this brush pile. I was like, I'm gonna sit by this brush pile on the ground. And I, I hear all this noise and the next thing I know, like, I'm just like, on my face. And their doe was being chased by a buck.

• 1:58:26Steven Rinella?

  Huh.

• 1:58:27Speaker 03

  And they went right between where I was sitting and he just ran right into me, just. And I'm laying there and he stops, like, he hit me and he's standing over the top of me and I'm like.

• 1:58:35Steven Rinella?

  What?

• 1:58:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I look up at him and like, I could see his belly. I'm like.

• 1:58:39Steven Rinella?

  No way.

• 1:58:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:40Steven Rinella?

  That's cool.

• 1:58:40Speaker 03

  I'm just like laying there, trying to figure out what happened. And then he goes and took off running. I'm like, oh, now you smell me.

• 1:58:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:49Steven Rinella?

  My, my old man got hit by a buck and, uh, he got injured, but he got injured by his own arrow when he got run over. He got run over by a buck and cut, cut his hand pretty good with his own arrow. Knocked his, he had an arrow knocked and somehow the arrow got like blown right off. The broadhead came around and got him. That was, that was the only injury he got from getting hit by a buck.

• 1:59:07Speaker 03

  Man, talk about karma.

• 1:59:08Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:59:11Speaker 03

  Does that speak a lot about the, the broadheads?

• 1:59:13Steven Rinella?

  You know, this is back in the, I don't know if you remember, like, this is back in the days when, uh, you remember those, uh?

• 1:59:19Speaker 03

  They're made out of rock?

• 1:59:20Steven Rinella?

  No, like those steel, like deltas. You remember like with the bleeders? Remember those green, those green like kind of riveted delta points and they, you know, you'd, you'd, you'd take your wooden arrow and bevel that wooden arrow down to a point and that delta point um came with a cone. It was like built on a cone and you'd get that hot, you know, that, that heat adhesive and put them on there. It was back in those days.

• 1:59:46Speaker 05

  I'm nodding like I remember.

• 1:59:48Steven Rinella?

  You gotta appreciate how old I am, man. It's getting like, it's getting.

• 1:59:53Speaker 04

  You're not old.

• 1:59:54Steven Rinella?

  No, well, here's the deal. I'm, I'm getting up there enough where I now am, I now have like recollections about stuff that, that people are like, what? I'm like, I'm telling you, man.

• 2:00:10Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'm like, I'm telling you, dude. That was like a thing, man, you know? Trying to call the cops and like couldn't find the phone. Or like die like.

• 2:00:23Speaker 03

  Have you seen the video of the kids who didn't know how to run one of those phones?

• 2:00:26Steven Rinella?

  Oh, no, my, yeah, they have no, my, my kids would have no idea. When you see, they need to change the icon. The phone icon still has like the phone with the curly cord hooked to it. Dude, I remember like deliberately thinking like, I wonder if someday, I remember getting a cell phone and being like, I wonder if someday you could just get rid of a landline. And having like a revolutionary thought, you know?

• 2:00:48Speaker 03

  Should have patented.

• 2:00:49Steven Rinella?

  Should have. And then I remember a lot of old bow and arrow stuff, man. I remember when Flipper Rest came out and that was a big deal because everybody shot off the shelf.

• 2:00:59Speaker 03

  The Flipper Rest for.

• 2:01:00Steven Rinella?

  Things I remember.

• 2:01:02Speaker 03

  I've lost dear to Flipper Rest, actually. Not, not working properly or, or whatever.

• 2:01:08Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:09Steven Rinella?

  Do you remember Ben Pearson? Pearson Archery?

• 2:01:13Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 2:01:16Steven Rinella?

  Well.

• 2:01:16Speaker 03

  I know of, I know of, I know of, I know of Pearson Archery. Yes, but I don't, I've never met him.

• 2:01:23Steven Rinella?

  Oh, no, I don't know. I don't know that I know Ben Pearson.

• 2:01:25Speaker 03

  Never shook his hand.

• 2:01:26Steven Rinella?

  I got to meet, uh, when I was a little kid, I got to meet, I had, I remember Fred Bear bought me dinner one time. Oh, that was a good joke.

• 2:01:34Steven Rinella?

  Took me a sec. Anyways, I ate, I ate lunch on time on Fred Bear's dime.

• 2:01:41Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:01:42Steven Rinella?

  Back when I was little.

• 2:01:43Speaker 03

  Was he pretty cool? Or was he a pretty cool dude?

• 2:01:45Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I was so young. I was with my old man, who was, my dad was very big into the like, early bow hunting, like 50s, like trying to get bow seasons and all that, you know? He was really big into archery in the 50s. Like, when he come home from World War II, he got into archery. So he was like, very involved in that early stage archery stuff. And I remember we were at a thing, Fred Bear was there, I was with my old man. He, Fred Bear paid for lunch, I remembered his dude name, there was a dude there, I remember his first name was Babe. And he had cowboy boots on, and I remember him telling me, "The best thing about these boots is I can kill cockroaches that are in the corner." I remember, dude, like, like, I remember that, like, I remember those little details, like, like it was yesterday, man.

• 2:02:26Speaker 03

  Wow. You think that dude played baseball?

• 2:02:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was just gonna ask, you know?

• 2:02:30Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 2:02:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:02:31Steven Rinella?

  You know, I just remembered his last name, because my dad was buddies with him, his last name was, his name was Babe Johnson. And my old man had a thing, he had a big sash, you know, like a Girl Scout sashes? This is the goofiest thing. He belonged to this club where if you could kill something with a bow, you'd get a patch.

• 2:02:50Speaker 03

  Like a merit badge?

• 2:02:52Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, and he had everything on the planet. Frogs, frickin' owls, whatever, you know, like, and you'd like sew, I wish I had that sash. And you'd get a patch, and you'd sew it on, and it was just like, it was like, because they were so big into being like, "A bow can, you know, a bow can do anything, a bow can kill an owl." "Oh my god, I killed a frog with a bow." "You know, I could kill my neighbor with this bow if I felt like it." It was just like, all this kind of crazy 1950s archery shit, man.

• 2:03:24Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 2:03:25Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I mean, I wasn't born yet, but it was like, I grew up in the aftermath of all that.

• 2:03:29Speaker 03

  The technology definitely has come a long ways, though, from wooden, wooden bows and wooden arrows and broadheads that you gotta glue and make.

• 2:03:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah, it has, but, uh...

• 2:03:44Steven Rinella?

  The mental game hasn't changed, alright?

• 2:03:46Speaker 03

  Nah, mental game's still there.

• 2:03:47Steven Rinella?

  There's still a lot of people that suck at shit.

• 2:03:51Steven Rinella?

  There's a lot of people that panic.

• 2:03:52Speaker 03

  A lot of people. I, I had a, I don't really wanna call him out, but um, I have a buddy, I have a buddy who's a muscle, he's a, he, he's like a, in a muscle building, so he's this big, huge muscle guy, and he loves to hunt.

• 2:04:06Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:07Speaker 03

  And uh, I was shooting turkeys with him one day.

• 2:04:09Steven Rinella?

  I can think of a handful of.

• 2:04:10Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 2:04:13Speaker 03

  So, uh, but, when, every time he would, every time he would shoot, and if he would hit something, he would like,

• 2:04:21Speaker 03

  go to gagging.

• 2:04:23Steven Rinella?

  You gag?

• 2:04:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, I don't know, I think just from all the adrenaline or something.

• 2:04:27Steven Rinella?

  I got a buddy that pukes after he gets stuff.

• 2:04:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, just, just gets all just hyped up, he gets so hyped up, it's, it's kinda funny, he'd always like, shut the camera off, and I'd just keep it going. Yep.

• 2:04:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that's weird, man, yeah, this one buddy I got, I've seen him do it, he'll get something and then puke, and then he's fine.

• 2:04:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yep, just fine right away afterwards.

• 2:04:44Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 2:04:46Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:04:47Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 2:04:47Speaker 03

  Maybe just the excitement and the adrenaline just goes nuts, they don't know how to control it maybe. Maybe they should shoot more target. I will say, though, that hunting has helped me be a better target archer, and target archer um, has made me a better hunter. As far as, not hunting, but as far as shot placement and just being able to make the best decisions while I was out in the woods.

• 2:05:10Steven Rinella?

  I imagine the competitive, learning how to deal with the competition.

• 2:05:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:14Steven Rinella?

  Just learning how to deal with, cause you know, there's a thing, man, like, part of what you mess up is that you want it so bad and you can't deal with the emotion.

• 2:05:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:22Steven Rinella?

  And you just shot under so much pressure so many times, that a little pressure's not, not unusual to you.

• 2:05:27Speaker 03

  Yep, and I, and I get hungry still. With, with an animal, it's, you know, you don't get lots of, usually, it's like a one and done, you know, you sit there all day for one shot, and you have, you gotta make it count, right? Like you, eh.

• 2:05:42Speaker 03

  For me, I've always, I always thought like shooting under pressure has helped me in that scenario to just, I've actually missed bucks because I took too long to do my process. Not missed them, they just went out of range. Yeah, missed the chance.

• 2:05:54Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Well, man, thanks for coming on the show, dude.

• 2:05:58Speaker 03

  Hey, thanks for having me.

• 2:05:59Steven Rinella?

  This happened quick too, because someone sent us something and I'm like, I told Chris, man, let's get that guy, or she said we should get this guy or whatever, and here we are.

• 2:06:08Speaker 03

  Listen, I definitely appreciate it because, first of all, I've seen your episodes.

• 2:06:14Steven Rinella?

  Uh huh.

• 2:06:14Speaker 03

  And then I, uh, uh, my agent Scott, I think you were in touch with him. He, he was telling me, um, like, just everybody that you've had on the podcast. I was like, this guy's, this guy is not just a hunter and all this other stuff. He's like really good at podcasting, like he's like a legit guy.

• 2:06:35Steven Rinella?

  Good at podcasts?

• 2:06:37Speaker 03

  No, I mean, he just, it's an honor that you wanted me to be a part of it. And I thought it was like this perfect way to just kind of launch

• 2:06:47Speaker 03

  my hunting stuff on social media and the next step of where Matt's going. And not that I was using you for that, but.

• 2:06:56Steven Rinella?

  You can use us wherever you want, man.

• 2:06:57Speaker 03

  I definitely appreciate it, you guys having me on here for just, it's been awesome.

• 2:07:01Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, well, plug it. Where do people go to look at it?

• 2:07:04Speaker 03

  Uh, the armless archers.

• 2:07:05Steven Rinella?

  Just same, okay.

• 2:07:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, under the same stuff, uh, same stuff, yeah.

• 2:07:09Steven Rinella?

  Excellent. Thanks so much, man. Appreciate it. Congratulations on all those successes.

• 2:07:13Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 2:07:13Steven Rinella?

  On the gold medal, on the retirement. On the 200 miles an hour. On the 200 miles an hour.

• 2:07:19Speaker 03

  Is it ever retired?

• 2:07:21Steven Rinella?

  No, I don't know.

• 2:07:22Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:07:22Steven Rinella?

  I don't know.

• 2:07:23Speaker 03

  Cause I think I'm just retiring from the competition side. That's it. I'm still gonna shoot my bows. Now, now I'm gonna, you know, get to walk around and enjoy adventures in the woods and mountains and, in fact, when I opened my window this morning, I looked up, saw the mountain and I was like, I probably should've stayed a couple of days and spent a day up there.

• 2:07:42Steven Rinella?

  Or go hiking, yeah.

• 2:07:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, go hiking. That stuff is.

• 2:07:44Steven Rinella?

  Run that whole, you can run that whole ridge.

• 2:07:46Speaker 03

  Run the whole ridge. I just want to come running down with people watching. I'm like, there's a bear.

• 2:07:54Speaker 03

  He's got my arms. He's got my arms.

• 2:07:59Steven Rinella?

  Alright, man, thanks again. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  I called up my cousin Joey, said he saw a good one today.

• 2:08:14Speaker 02

  Standing on the north side of the hay barn in the Pippin place.

• 2:08:23Speaker 02

  He's probably bedded in that big old cedar patch.

• 2:08:32Speaker 02

  Always holds a couple of doughs in the morning, I bet he's back.

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  Maybe I'll go slip down there and see what I can see.

• 2:08:49Speaker 02

  Might take Dad's old thirty thirty B like he's back here with me on opening day. Man, I can hardly wait. It's always a second Saturday in November. It's my favorite time of year. Ain't just about hunting. Making memories that are gonna last forever.

• 2:09:31Speaker 02

  And it's just icing on the cake if a big one walks my way on opening day.

• 2:09:49Speaker 02

  And Aunt Betty always makes breakfast. I love her homemade cinnamon rolls. And we'll sit around a table talking about where everybody's gonna go.

• 2:10:09Speaker 02

  And five dollars gets you into the Schultz's Big Buck Pot.

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  Only rule is if you win, you buy the first round at the hub. Now stop and see them old hex poles down at the hunting shack. Been the same way around here for years, man. I can't wait to come back on opening day. Yeah, I can hardly wait. Always a second Saturday in November.

• 2:10:59Speaker 02

  It's my favorite time of year. Ain't just about hunting deer. Making memories that are gonna last forever. And it's just icing on the cake if a big one walks my way on opening day. On opening day.

• 2:11:54Steven Rinella?

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