#2458 - Matt McCusker

Matt McCusker is a comedian, writer, actor, and co-host of “Matt and Shane’s Secret Podcast” with Shane Gillis. His most recent special, “Matt McCusker: A Humble Offering,” is streaming on Netflix.www.netflix.com/title/82014936www.mssecretpodcast.comwww.youtube.com/@mattmccusker9943https://mattmccusker.substack.comwww.mattmccusker.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people have lights on their tables now to light up their face to make them look more pretty.

• 0:16Speaker 02

  Really?

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have like a slight, like a, like a opening in the table and then a light that gets on you so you don't see like the shadows in your face so you don't look shitty.

• 0:27Speaker 02

  I feel like, doesn't, isn't that what you do? Like a scary story? You put a flashlight under your chin?

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they're not trying to do that. They're trying to like balance it out so you look flat.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  That's crazy, man.

• 0:37Joe Rogan?

  You look like what you look like.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta give up after a while.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  The weirdest shit is men who use filters when they take pictures.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  I, there's comedian men that use filters.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Really?

• 0:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it's very odd.

• 0:49Speaker 02

  How do you know? How do you tell?

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  You know what they really look like?

• 0:52Speaker 02

  True, oh yeah, duh.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  And then you see them and they look like a cartoon. Like, uh, Netflix does that with their, um, the pictures that they use when they promote your special, like the picture of you, they'll put that bitch through a filter.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  That makes sense.

• 1:05Joe Rogan?

  And you look so pretty.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  If people see you after the show, you're like, "You look horrible. I didn't know you looked so bad."

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  "You look so old."

• 1:13Speaker 02

  "Thanks, man."

• 1:13Joe Rogan?

  "I am so old." "Yeah, I'm almost 60."

• 1:17Speaker 02

  "Dang."

• 1:18Joe Rogan?

  "I know, it's crazy. I'm 58."

• 1:20Speaker 02

  "I'm 40, just turned 40."

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  "That's, those are real numbers."

• 1:23Speaker 02

  "Yeah, I know. I, I age, as soon as I had kids, I age like immedi-, you would've thought I literally gave birth."

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  "Yeah, well, it's the, it's the lack of sleep."

• 1:31Speaker 02

  "Yeah, that's what got me."

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  "Yeah. You know what's really good for that? Creatine."

• 1:35Speaker 02

  "I've, I've been taking it."

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  "Yeah, creatine, they say 20 grams a day. Start like with 5 and work your way up to 20 and check to see how your butthole holds up, cause the seal might be loose."

• 1:46Speaker 02

  "I've, I've ran this experiment, actually. 20 gets my guts going, man."

• 1:50Joe Rogan?

  "Bro, it does. It does. I don't do 20 in a dose. I do 10 in the morning and 10 at night." "'Cause I was doing 20 in a dose and it was just like, 'Everybody out of the pool.'"

• 2:01Speaker 02

  "I'm also not convinced diarrhea is bad for you." I swear to God, like, not shitting for sure, but diarrhea is just like, it's like, speed this up.

• 2:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, isn't that what, um, is that consumption? What is the disease where you can't stop having diarrhea?

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Dysentery.

• 2:14Joe Rogan?

  Dysentery, that's it.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Shit, alright, well, if you can't stop having it, sure, but like-

• 2:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's like, you can't digest food, it just goes right through you and just shit constantly.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Now you shit starve.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  That sucks, actually.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not, not good.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Once a week, though, that's fine.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  You know what I used to do? I used to drink kale smoothies in the morning, that was the first thing that I would do. I would throw kale and garlic and like, apples and shit in a blender, and that's what I would drink, first thing in the morning.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  And, boy, that is just like, that clears the pathway. That's like, uh, like, you know when you, uh, clear your rain gutters of leaves?

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50Joe Rogan?

  You get a hose on that bitch and you just fucking blow them off the top, that's what it's like.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've done the green drink before, it does get you, I, I was vegan for like, a month. And that was like, the biggest dumps, but I actually got hemorrhoids from being vegan.

• 3:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, because on the toilet too much?

• 3:04Speaker 02

  It was just that the turds were so big, I was getting like, blown out. I got hemorrhoids from being vegan.

• 3:10Joe Rogan?

  Was it taking too long to poop?

• 3:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:12Joe Rogan?

  Or was it, you just like, it was just spectacular?

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was spectacular. There were massive bowl liners, every, it was like, twice a day. I was like, I was like an adult entertainer, dude. I was like, my body just gave out.

• 3:24Joe Rogan?

  An adult entertainer? Well, when you think about it, it's all that fiber that your body doesn't process, but they say that that's what's good for keeping you clean, you know?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:35Joe Rogan?

  The fiber pushes everything out.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm back on the fiber train now. I was all about protein now, I'm like, yeah, I need, I need my fiber now, but-

• 3:42Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's hard to know who's right, because the carnivore people are like, you don't need fiber, there's no need for fiber. But then there's like, there's evidence that fiber's good for you.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, isn't that what your whole microbiome needs to like, make?

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  The germs or whatever that are good for your brain? I don't know, I, I, I get confused as well, but-

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  My balance is, I eat a lot of kimchi. I really like kimchi.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  That's a move.

• 4:04Joe Rogan?

  I eat that stuff all the time. Kimchi and I eat sauerkraut, that, that stuff's legit.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know that stuff's supposed to be good for you, but yeah, I, I tried the carnivore and it was like- I first five days I felt cool and then like after I think I made it to seventeen days. I was like dude, if I just ate in some vegetables with this, I'd be the healthiest guy in the world.

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Cause it was just like, I stopped pooping. Like I was like, this can't be good for me.

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, you don't poop much because there's no fiber. So when you do poop, it's just boop.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember, I remember. And you're like, where's the rest?

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, isn't that a good thing? Doesn't mean your body absorbed all of the food instead of like having all this undigestible stuff go through your digestive tract. This is the argument that the carnivore people.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't want anybody that's a nutritionist right now pulling their hair out. Disinformation. I'm just asking.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  It's a good, it's a solid question. Cause it's like, yeah, it does food, does meat get stuck in your body and you need plants to push it out of your butt? Or will meat come out of your butt just like plants will?

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the thing that they would always say, that every man when he dies, there's a pound of undigested meat in his stomach.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 5:10Joe Rogan?

  Apparently that's not true.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the old thing about John Wayne. Like John Wayne had fifty pounds of beef jerky in his butthole. I, I've like thought about that since I was a little boy. I've been wondering like, how much are they gonna find in me?

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that'll, that's true.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  So it's not the case?

• 5:22Joe Rogan?

  No, John Wayne just had a gut from probably beer.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, beer and pasta and bread.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  True.

• 5:29Joe Rogan?

  And you know, normal American food.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  Also, he was, I mean, when was, what was his heyday? Like fifties, sixties or sixties, I guess sixty, seventies, maybe?

• 5:38Joe Rogan?

  When they do that Genghis Khan movie, that's what killed him. What year was that? Fifties, I think.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause it's like, those dudes weren't on like.

• 5:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, like True Grit, those days, yeah.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Dude, they, they weren't being like, oh, how much fiber have I had today?

• 5:52Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were, that was even in like the nineties, you, the dude didn't think about what they're eating.

• 5:57Joe Rogan?

  Fifty six. Fifty six? Wow. That's one of the worst movies of all time. You ever see it?

• 6:01Speaker 02

  No, this Genghis Khan movie? How did it kill him?

• 6:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he filmed it in the same area where Nevada was doing their nuclear tests.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 6:10Joe Rogan?

  Everybody got cancer.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  Like the whole crew, like a giant number of people got cancer.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. And that, I'm telling you, that was back when guys would be like, nuclear bomb, I don't care about. Like they didn't, like I used to work with guys that do asbestos back in like the nineties when I was little. Me and like my dad, my uncles, all day construction. So we were like taking this barn down and I was like a little boy, just like hammering nails into an A-frame. And uh, they shut it down because there was asbestos in there. And there's this guy who was like, dude, your uncle's a pussy. I'd eat that shit for breakfast. I don't care about asbestos. And it's like. I don't know. Now I grew up, I'm like, damn, thank God they shut that down, but.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, there were so many things that caused cancer that no one knew about at the time.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, how about baby powder?

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, I didn't know about that either.

• 6:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, what, I think what the story is, is that where they mine the talc, that the talc is not always pure. And the talc has other stuff mixed in it, and they don't filter that stuff out. Is it asbestos that it's mixed with?

• 7:05Speaker 02

  I thought that stuff was cornstarch.

• 7:06Joe Rogan?

  I'm not into perplexity, please.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  I thought it was cornstarch.

• 7:11Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Baby powder.

• 7:12Joe Rogan?

  Baby powder?

• 7:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  So it's talc? No, it's talc, I believe. Evidence of small but real cancer risk with some talc-based baby powders mainly due to genital use and possible asbestos contamination. Yeah, that's it. But the data are mixed and the absolute risk for any one person is low. Talc itself is a mineral can be mined near asbestos, so contamination is the main worry. Asbestos is a known cause of mesothelioma? Mesothelioma? And other cancers. Yeah, quite a few women. I think there was a lawsuit.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  I remember hearing that. I remember I was dismayed because that was like, I had a weird thing when I was younger. I used to use baby powder to masturbate.

• 7:50Joe Rogan?

  Yo.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Because it just like makes everything feel so, so it was kind of nice. And if I smell baby powder to this day, it's like a trigger for, yeah. If I smell it, I'm like, goddamn, bro. That shit away from me.

• 8:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, I used to use it a lot to play pool.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody would use baby powder. Use baby powder on your fingers. It makes the shaft slide through your fingers. But then they invented gloves. And so that keeps the table clean.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:12Joe Rogan?

  This is like, they're, I guess they're, I don't know what they're made out of. It was like a nylon, like a very thin nylon.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  So it's not getting caught up?

• 8:19Joe Rogan?

  Slick.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but baby powder, no bueno. What else?

• 8:23Speaker 02

  They're saying LED lights now.

• 8:24Joe Rogan?

  That's what I keep hearing.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  LED, they're saying like it kills your mitochondria or something.

• 8:27Joe Rogan?

  Aren't these LED? Are these LED?

• 8:31Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, do we have to change our lights?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  I know.

• 8:33Joe Rogan?

  Are we dying in here?

• 8:37Speaker 02

  I think they like crush your mitochondria.

• 8:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh geez.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  I don't know if I just get scared by AI clips on Instagram.

• 8:42Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I'm scared of everything. I have to fucking stay offline.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  I know.

• 8:45Joe Rogan?

  I, I, I'm reading too much of the news and it's overwhelming me. Like sometimes at nighttime, like I can't wind down.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:52Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, there's too much news. It's too much fucking madness. We're about to go to war with Iran.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  I know.

• 8:57Joe Rogan?

  Like we're, the, everyone's eating beef jerky and pizza. Like what are these, file, what the fuck is pizza?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  I know.

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• 12:00Speaker 02

  I mean, my thing is like, I'm not, first of all, the news for me is like, aside from all like the disastrous wars, it's just so like negative. When you read the news, it's mostly people being like, guess who's a giant piece of shit? You read that over and over and you get like addicted to being like, yeah, that guy sucks. I'm good.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was an article that I read recently about people being addicted to outrage. And that's a real thing.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 12:21Joe Rogan?

  Being addicted to being upset about stuff and addicted to outrage, you go search for it, which is why your algorithm shows you all that shit.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I mean, I don't know if this is true, but I feel like they watch your facial expression through your phone camera and feed you stuff if you're making like interested or outraged or whatever.

• 12:38Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't be shocked.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  So I've heard they like track your eyeball movement and they're like, okay, this is holding his eyes and they just keep feeding you.

• 12:43Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 12:44Speaker 02

  I I've heard that.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Should probably put a piece of tape over that bitch.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 12:49Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if you did, how much would change? That'd be an interesting experience.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  Well, they got you mic too, so they got your audio.

• 12:55Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  But yeah, they knew dude that, yeah, all that Epstein shit is like, I can't follow it. It's too much. There's too many names. I don't know state representative. They're like naming all these people. It's like, damn, I wish I knew who that was.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  And it's dark too.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  It's horrible.

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  And it goes so high. There's so many levels to it. You know, Sager and Yeti was just on Flagrant and they were reading off files and talking about the, and it's just like, what the fuck, man?

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, you need to study all day to like follow it. Prince Andrew's crazy, him getting arrested. He's the fir-, who, what other prince has gotten, it must have been like not since 500 years ago.

• 13:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when was the last time a prince was arrested?

• 13:31Speaker 02

  I have no idea. And also, he's, if he goes to jail, if he goes to real jail, he's getting clapped. He's a known, you know, it's very, very likely he was a pedophile. Pedophiles go to jail.

• 13:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, what do they know that they're putting him in jail first or they're arresting him first? Like, what do they know? Because they did a bunch of things, right? The first thing they do is they they stripped him of his princehood, right?

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  And then they banished him to a, some estate somewhere on the country. And then they removed him from the estate. They kicked him out of the estate. So it's been like levels upon levels. So what do they know?

• 14:05Speaker 02

  I think the royal family gets to see the real deal. So they probably saw the real deal and were like, bro, you're fried. You're going to jail. And he, he'll be, he might be the first, he might get like clapped in jail.

• 14:16Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Someone might get royal.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  Royal asshole?

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's might get royal fucking bussy.

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they'll, don't you think they have him in, did they have protective custody in Namib?

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Custody for sure.

• 14:26Joe Rogan?

  Do they have that over there?

• 14:27Speaker 02

  They'll probably make a jail for him. I would imagine they do. I think anything we have here, I would imagine they have protective custody. Cause if you're even, if people even think you're a pedophile in jail, they're gonna.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that starts like a whole cascade and then a bunch of other people start getting arrested?

• 14:41Speaker 02

  No, I think they're gonna hang him up and be like, we got him. I I don't believe that all these billionaires are gonna let themselves get arrested. They have billions of dollars.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  Paris prosecutors opened two new Epstein-linked investigations. Uh oh. With who?

• 14:57Speaker 03

  There was a, I think it's the Jean-Luc guy.

• 15:00Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Co-conspirator. Uh, he was also died at it. He died in custody.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Oh, god damn it, not again.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  So they reopened the investigation on that. And somebody else, I think that they just found out that was high up in, uh.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  I lost it here.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  How did he die in jail?

• 15:19Speaker 03

  I don't, I, officially?

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Um. There you go. He was found dead.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Hmm, okay.

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  He was just found dead?

• 15:30Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he died. How old was he?

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Um, at the time?

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, dun dun dun.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also the, uh.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Seventy-six?

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a, that's about the time dudes like that die.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Uh, but they didn't ever, there's a probe and I think they, they reopened the probe also.

• 15:52Joe Rogan?

  Of how he died?

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  That's gonna be a tough one itself.

• 15:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're gonna have hit some roadblocks. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked him. We were just talking about the guy that Epstein was in jail with, which is crazy. Like, if Epstein is alive, some people think he's alive. Some people think they, they scooted him out of his cell, switched a body double, killed that guy. But if, why would they put him in jail with that gigantic cop who was a contract killer? That fucking guy. That's one picture. Show me the picture, the tank top picture. That's the one.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 16:26Joe Rogan?

  Bro, look at the size of that guy. And this guy was a, he was a cop, who was a dirty cop, who was killing drug dealers.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, maybe that was the plan, be like, alright, we'll put him in here, it'll sound good if this guy kills him, like, oh man.

• 16:38Joe Rogan?

  And then eighteen days before he died, he complained that his cellmate tried to kill him.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  What?

• 16:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. See if we can find that.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  The mur, the, the different guy?

• 16:48Joe Rogan?

  No, Epstein did.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  No, I'm saying, they, they, was he complaining about the murderous cop, or is this a different guy?

• 16:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  That's crazy, dude.

• 16:53Joe Rogan?

  I do.

• 16:54Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  I do.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Also, how did he try to kill him and not kill him?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  That's what I was just gonna say.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  What the fucking talking about? Epstein slipped away and is like sat in the corner. I mean, maybe he screamed loud enough and the guards came.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they would separate them.

• 17:07Joe Rogan?

  Jeffrey Epstein claimed his cellmate tried to kill him. So he laid in a fetal position in the floor of his gel cell, unresponsive with an orange fabric news, oh, this is when they found him. Uh, eighteen days before Epstein's death, he wasn't breathing, his eyes were opening. Oh, so this was when they found him? Oh, they, so they did fi, they found him in the fetal position? Oh no, this was the orange fabric news. That's when they found him dead. Okay. Eighteen days before Epstein, no. Okay. So it is saying that. So it's saying that he had an orange noose tied around his neck eighteen days before he died.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  What?

• 17:44Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  What the fuck?

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  What? So, July 23rd, 2019, eighteen days before Epstein's death. He wasn't breathing, his eyes opening and shutting occasionally, but he wouldn't or couldn't respond to officers' questions and commands, according to a confidential Corrections Officers memo obtained by CBS News. They hoisted inmate 76318054 onto a stretcher. Officials have repeatedly said Epstein's death, eventual death by suicide was foreshadowed by this earlier alleged attempt. Former Attorney General Bill Barr reiterated that claim in an August closed-door deposition before the House Oversight Committee, which released the interview transcript last week.

• 18:25Joe Rogan?

  Barr, who did not reply to questions from CBS News, said in his testimony, he knew about the July 23rd incident, which he viewed as an attempted suicide. Barr said he considered it indicative of Epstein's state of mind. But jail staff memos, other never-before-reported documents obtained by CBS News as well as interviews with more than a dozen people who interacted with Epstein before and after the incident, reveal a murkier picture than the one depicted by Barr. The new documents have surfaced amid persistent speculation over Epstein's death, despite official conclusions that he died by suicide. So, he's laying on the floor and his bunkie is screaming, "I did nothing. I banged on my door to get him out of my cell," the source said.

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  Corrections officers carried Epstein to his cell on a different floor as he remained unresponsive. Was it the same cop, the contract killer cop? Yep, right? He told them he thought he'd been attacked by his cellmate, an ex-cop who was awaiting trial on four murders.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  But they're saying that was an attempted suicide?

• 19:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, they tried to frame it as an attempted suicide. No, I would imagine he doesn't have a way to contact the outside world and just tweet about this.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:36Joe Rogan?

  Right? He can't make an Instagram video, "Hey guys, this guy tried to fucking kill me."

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, true.

• 19:40Joe Rogan?

  He sat up on the bed and began telling me that he thinks his bunkie tried to kill him, a responding officer wrote in one memo. A senior officer wrote in a separate incident report that Epstein initially implicated his cellmate in the incident, claiming he had previously said things that made Epstein feel threatened.

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  So Nicholas Tartaglion, his cellmate, has repeatedly disputed the initial allegation. "I did nothing," and said he tried to revive, "I tried to revive him." As with Epstein's eventual death, any camera footage of the incident was either mislaid, lost, or never captured by the facility's faulty system, rather. Tartaglion has not responded to emailed questions from CBS News. How odd. His lawyer said Epstein's initial claim that Tartaglion tried to kill him was flatly not true.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  Well, okay. So maybe he did try, I mean, you know, there's a chance he did try to kill himself and was like, shit, I don't want to get sent to jail.

• 20:40Joe Rogan?

  And then his guy saved him. He said he saved him. So it says it right here. Scroll back up a little bit. Tartaglion said in a recent interview, the house, that Epstein also left a suicide note, and it even offered Tartaglion money to kill him.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  What?

• 20:55Joe Rogan?

  Neither of those details, if true, are referenced in any of the Bureau of Prisons records that were reviewed by CBS News. So if you scroll up higher, it says, he said he saved his life the first time. So it's saying that he saved his life. He yelled when the guy, his attorney says this.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, like he's saying he tried to kill himself once.

• 21:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's just his attorney saying that.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 21:19Joe Rogan?

  You know. Epstein claimed to both corrections officers and the source that he felt threatened by Tartaglion, a hulking retired cop turned drug dealer who was charged and later convicted for four murders. How, just how could you take the most high-profile defendant ever and put him in a cage with a murderer? His bunkie told him that if he beat him up because of Epstein's child sex trafficking charges, the officers would not report it.

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's what he told him. The wealthy, allegedly, the wealthy former financier told jail officers that he believed Tartaglio was trying to extort money from him and stated that if he didn't pay him that he was gonna beat him up. The officer wrote, "He stated that this has been going on for a week."

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Then that guy saying Epstein was trying to pay me to kill him for himself. You would think they could find a middle ground, man.

• 22:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, someone's lying.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. That's the craziest. There's too many plot holes. There's no way.

• 22:19Joe Rogan?

  Imagine like who's saying, "I'll pay you to kill me."

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also, it's like, wait, how are we gonna do that? How are we gonna work this all out?

• 22:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the guy's already, well, that, and then what's he gonna do with the money?

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  How's he gonna get the money?

• 22:32Speaker 02

  I guess you can give it, if you know somebody, you know, you love, you can give it to them, but...

• 22:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. Does he have money? Or does all of his money go to the victims' families? Like, he killed four people.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Shit, man, you might be right.

• 22:41Joe Rogan?

  Right? So it'd have to be like an offshore account that like gets slipped over to the prison so he could buy cigarettes?

• 22:47Speaker 02

  If anyone can do it, if anyone can do it, it's Jeffrey Epstein, man.

• 22:50Joe Rogan?

  But it would have to be worked out in advance. Like, he would have to have the cigarettes in the commissary, or, okay, time to kill you.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Dude, it's, it's too, uh, you know, I think it's just one of those things, and I don't know if people can, you know, wanna wrap their heads around it, but there's just people who do things in this world on behalf of, like, you know, old uber billionaires that we're just never gonna know what's going on.

• 23:10Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  They're, they do horrible, terrible, secret stuff.

• 23:13Joe Rogan?

  And they always have.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:14Joe Rogan?

  This is the thing, if like you go throughout history, there's always been secret societies and people that get together with creepy meetings. All that Eyes Wide Shut shit that Kubrick put in his film. That's not, he's not imagining that.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  That's always been a thing.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  The officer that discovered his body dead in August was originally charged with falsifying documents related to his death, but those charges were dropped.

• 23:38Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. I wonder what the falsifying of the documents was?

• 23:43Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe people charged it to try to open up the paperwork or whatever.

• 23:47Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. "Because Epstein was on suicide watch after the July 23rd incident, Thomas was required to law, to record a log of observations about Epstein in 15-minute increments. Those notations were released by the Bureau of Prisons in 2023 along with just one entry he made in the log, a note made at 2:15 a.m., 45 minutes after the incident. 15 minutes later, at 2:30, Thomas wrote, inmate sitting on bed trying to remember what happened." Huh.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. So this is the, when he got attacked, the first time that he survived. Huh.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, they claim he, once he got into the separate cell, he was trying to fall forward on his head, or some, sat on the edge of the bed and began moving forward as if he was attempting to fall over head first.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  He was told to stop, "Don't do it again," and he gave a thumbs up. That's how they confirm he was trying to commit suicide.

• 24:40Joe Rogan?

  So he's gonna try to commit suicide by falling straight on his head?

• 24:43Speaker 02

  That's impossible. That's literally impossible.

• 24:46Joe Rogan?

  You might be able to pull it off.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  That's crazy. You would block, for sure.

• 24:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  There's no way you can just do a sale. I was like, thinking about this the other day, I was walking off my steps, I was like, even if I tried, I couldn't do like a swan dive onto the cement. You would, your body wouldn't let you do it.

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you would resist just enough to be paralyzed for the rest of your life.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would get fucked up for sure. I don't know, I think you would just kind of flatten out and flail.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cause guys die all the time in street fights, when they get knocked out, and then they fall, and they hit their head on the concrete.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  Dude, it, it-

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  They die all the time.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Happened, uh, before I left Philly, a year or so ago, there was a guy just walking his dog off leash, and this guy was like, "Put your dog on leash." They got into wor- they, you know, they started arguing, and the guy punched him and he hit his head and died. And then my brother went on an online date with the fiance of the guy who died, and like, learned throughout the date, like, "Oh shit, you're the lady who was married."

• 25:33Joe Rogan?

  Bummer of a date.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  It was pretty fucking sad, actually.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  He like, put it together, and he's like, "Oh, fuck, he died, that sucks."

• 25:40Joe Rogan?

  How long after that was the date?

• 25:42Speaker 02

  I think it was maybe a year and a half. It, it's been some time, you know?

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  Enough to stop the crying.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you gotta pick it up at one point, especially if he died like that, man. Got punched on a dog walk and died? I don't know, if I was a-

• 25:56Joe Rogan?

  Dog walk with a helmet in Philly?

• 25:58Speaker 02

  If I was a lady, I'd be like, "Well, fuck, I dodged a bullet."

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Husband could've just died.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's scary though, man. That's, yeah, the, the whole thing of like, altercations and people popping off to each other anymore is just like, I was walking down the street recently, and, and like, you know, I, I had the right of way, I walked, and I didn't even like, rush in front of the car, the car pulled up and was like, "Get the fuck out," he was like, threatening to shoot me in the face, I was just like, "What the hell, man?"

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like, he had pulled off far enough, he was like, "I'll shoot you in your fucking face," and I was just- Like, please don't like, you know, the fuck, man? What are you doing?

• 26:30Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you never know who's unhinged.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  I know.

• 26:32Joe Rogan?

  You never know what's going on that life. The divorce, fucking this, that, just got fired. About to go to jail. Who knows?

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:41Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Dude, yeah, it's.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  Best friend was fucking your wife.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Could be literally anything.

• 26:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Just like, I, I never, it's like, yeah, whatever, man.

• 26:49Joe Rogan?

  So many people are barely hanging on out there. Doing something all day they hate.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:54Joe Rogan?

  Just fucking tired. Life's in a shambles.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I don't, and especially like. People just talk shit to strangers. Like, you have no idea who that person is. My, I don't know, you know, who knows if this is like, just like an old construction worker tale. My dad was telling me some guy he knows. His mom or whatever, or like, you know, his friend's mom was at the grocery store. Someone back, they like, both going for a parking spot. It was like an old lady and the guy was like, fucking bitch, get the hell out, blah, blah, blah. Started cursing her out. Her son came out of jail for like, you know, like, he was like a biker, all this stuff. And they all like, knew each other in the neighborhood. Apparently the guy who had like cursed out the mom, they were like, nobody ever saw him again. So if that's true, it's like, gee, I always think about that. I'm like, dude, that's, you know, you just can't be, you shouldn't yell at an old lady anyway, but you just have no idea who you're dealing with.

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Just might as well chill.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  That was one of the creep, creepier things about the Epstein emails. Or the, the files, the data, was that he ordered three hundred and thirty gallons of sulfuric acid after he'd been indicted?

• 27:53Speaker 02

  What does that do?

• 27:54Joe Rogan?

  Dissolves bodies.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 27:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So, so they were trying to speculate that like, maybe that was for his desalination system that he had. He had like a water system. The, some sulfuric acid cleans it out. But then Jamie looked into it. He had only ordered it like, once before ever, but never that much.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's terrible. Also, he lives in, near the oceans. Like, why don't you just go in the ocean, just? You gotta get rid of bodies. You live on an island, you just go out to water.

• 28:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they could find it.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 28:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they might find it.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:29Joe Rogan?

  You can't have that.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  True. Especially if you have enough that you need a bunch of acid.

• 28:32Joe Rogan?

  Do they have a lot of sharks down there?

• 28:35Speaker 02

  I would think.

• 28:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like the Bahamas, right? It's like Bahamas area?

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would, I would think so. There's like sharks in Florida. I was just in.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Florida, Florida's a lot of sharks, especially bull sharks.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I, I was swimming. I brought my friend with me to do shows and he was like, ah, I'm worried about sharks. I'm like, there's no fucking sharks out here. And we got back and the Uber driver was like, yeah, this is like shark season right now. I was like, oh, fuck, my bad.

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  Shark season?

• 28:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, I think it's the bull sharks. They see them all the time down there.

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  Bull sharks are scary. They're the ones that they think are responsible for the murders in New Jersey that inspired Jaws.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Really?

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  How big, how big do they get?

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  They don't get as big as like great whites, but the thing about them is they can swim in fresh water.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Eee.

• 29:14Joe Rogan?

  So those murders that, uh, murders, those deaths by shark, uh, in New Jersey in like the early nineteen hundreds, they were in a river.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  What?

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So these people were swimming in a river and they got killed by sharks.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would never expect it either.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  Bull sharks are like very aggressive too.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Are they really?

• 29:33Joe Rogan?

  Super aggressive. They, um, there's a Florida Keys, like guys fish off the piers down there.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, it's really great fishing, but if you catch a big fish and you're struggling to get it on the line, most likely a shark's gonna kill it.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Really?

• 29:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, most likely you're gonna get it bitten in half. There's like tons of videos of guys pulling in fish and the shark just snaps it in half.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  While they're pulling it in.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  That's terrifying.

• 29:56Joe Rogan?

  They're all over the place down there, dude.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  I went to Turks and Caicos. Me and my family went down there, my kids. We were, we went snorkeling. And we, you know, the guy takes us out and he's like, hey, we like, you know, got in the area where we're gonna jump in. He's like, hey, there's some baby sharks out there. Um, you know, but they're not gonna bother you. So I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? Exactly. And I have like, I have like two and a four year old with me. So I jump in. I'm like, let me suss it out. I'm gonna go see. Dude, I go down and like, these were like, they, they, you know, they weren't like eighteen foot sharks, but they were like five, six, they were like big enough, but they were forty, it was like probably forty feet deep. And then they were like at the bottom, but then another fifty feet away. And I was like, bro, I'm not bringing my kids in here.

• 30:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm trying to find this video that my friend Adam sent me of, uh, sharks in Florida. Cause I always give him shit. He lives in Australia and I always give him shit. Like, bro, you live in a place filled with monsters. What the fuck are you doing? Cause I, cause it's true. Florida is, uh, Florida has a lot, but. Australia has more. Australia has saltwater crocodiles. They have great whites. But he sent me this video and it's like, "This isn't America, mate." And it's, uh, these guys are throwing, God, I can't find it. These guys are throwing, um, fish into the water, right? No, I'm not gonna find it. They, they're throwing fish into the water right next to the shore and it's just sharks, like piranhas, just smashing. And they're out like off, off a dock.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 31:21Joe Rogan?

  They're just like throwing fish scraps in there and the fish, the sharks are apparently used to it, I guess.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  That's terrifying.

• 31:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I.

• 31:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here it is. I found it.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, hold on, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Dude, dolphins, you ever see a dolphin in real life?

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  They're scary as hell. Those things are huge.

• 31:38Joe Rogan?

  I swam with them.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  I did it too. I was in Mexico and I thought I was gonna be like, you know, gliding on two of them. I was like barely wanting to touch this thing.

• 31:45Joe Rogan?

  I did it in Hawaii. You jump off the boat and you snorkel.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:48Joe Rogan?

  You get to see them swimming under you. It's really wild. Check this out. So this guy throws these scraps in the water. Look at these sharks.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 32:00Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that?

• 32:00Speaker 02

  Look at these things fight for this.

• 32:03Joe Rogan?

  Look how many of them there are.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Bro, that's crazy. That, look how big they are.

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, more than big enough to take your legs off.

• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  Go ahead, dick wagon.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  I'd be so mad if I was his neighbor. I'd be like, dude, I'm trying to paddleboard, man.

• 32:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think this is just what they do every day, which is why the sharks are there in the first place. I think when these guys get there, you know, when they fillet the fish, they have the bodies, they just tuck the body overboard and these sharks just destroy it.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:33Joe Rogan?

  How spooky is that?

• 32:34Speaker 02

  It's terrifying, dude.

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's Florida.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  That's, that's crazy. Where's Marco Island?

• 32:39Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I don't know. Where is that? Where's Marco Island?

• 32:42Speaker 02

  It's probably the Keys somewhere. That's fucking, that's awful.

• 32:45Joe Rogan?

  Florida's filled with monsters. Like that whole thing that they're doing with ice where they've got that alligator Guantanamo. You know, they got a, they got their, they built a Guantanamo for detainees. And then they surrounded it with alligator country.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Like a cartoon moat?

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  That's fucking crazy.

• 33:02Joe Rogan?

  Check this out. Okay, so where is it?

• 33:05Speaker 03

  It's up Miami on the.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 33:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it's not, it's not the Keys. It's just Florida. Crazy.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Damn, so they have like a classical moat with alligators around it?

• 33:14Joe Rogan?

  It's not essentially a moat.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Was it an island, I guess?

• 33:17Joe Rogan?

  How did, how did they do it? Did they build an island down there? Is that what they did? Somebody got a sweet contract to put that in there. Calling it alligator. Halliburton. Yeah, they call it alligator Alcatraz. Um, what does it look like? Can you show us?

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Damn dude.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  Alligators in Florida, everywhere. They say there's not a like standing body of water that doesn't have an alligator.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  I know, my friends were just at Disney World and they said they got a, they're like, is there alligators around here? Like, yeah, we flush them out all the time.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  One killed a kid a few years back.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  I heard about that.

• 33:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Reached up and just snagged.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  Bro, imagine you're a little toddler at Disneyland, just saw Cinderella, having a good time.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  That's gotta be fast, that's fast pass for life though, for the rest of the family.

• 33:56Joe Rogan?

  So that is all the Everglades. And the Everglades is just filled, like if you go walking, like I'm out of here.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Fuck that.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, something's probably gonna get you.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 34:06Joe Rogan?

  The Everglades are so fucked because it's not just the alligators, it's also the pythons. There's giant pythons.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Fuck dude.

• 34:15Joe Rogan?

  AI so ruthless.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  That's fucking.

• 34:19Joe Rogan?

  Alligators with ice hats on.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Dude, the pythons are another, like, cause you, they catch you while you're sleeping, so you lay down to sleep and you just wake up and you're just.

• 34:25Joe Rogan?

  Are there more pythons in the Everglades than there are anywhere in the world?

• 34:32Speaker 02

  No way.

• 34:32Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's a half a million of them, they think.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  You ever hear about Snake Island in Brazil?

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Dude, there's an island in Brazil that, I guess like whatever, you know, tectonic plates or whatever move and it used to be connected to the mainland. It went out and all the snakes just got stuck on there with no natural predators.

• 34:48Joe Rogan?

  So what do they do? They just eat each other?

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, they just fight and eat each other. And there's, dude, there's apparently a snake, like every meter you move, there's at least one snake.

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 34:56Speaker 02

  I, dude, the images are fuck, are terrifying. They're like just piled on top of each other.

• 35:00Joe Rogan?

  There are not more pythons in the Everglades than anywhere else. The Burmese pythons native range in Southeast Asia from India, Indonesia supports far larger wild populations, though exact numbers are hard to quantify due to their vast habitat. Everglades context, Burmese pythons are invasive species, Florida Everglades with estimates ranging from tens of thousands. Three hundred thousands individuals across southern Florida concentrated Evergrates National Park where their density is notably high. Population exploded from a few snakes in the nineties to enveloping much of the region by the twenty twenties driven by the release from pet trade. And events like Hurricane Andrew. Yeah, they had Hurricane Andrew apparently blew down a facility where they were studying pythons.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  No, that's how they got out.

• 35:45Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of them got out. And then there's also people with pets, just assholes and death metal bands.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, they just dropped them.

• 35:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just dropped.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Well, that's how we, we, there's, um, what do you call it? Parakeets here. They're like, they're an invasive species and they think that happened too. Someone just like let their parakeets out.

• 35:58Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Now they're a problem here.

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  That's iguanas in Florida too.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, they sell canned iguana meat in Florida now.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Really?

• 36:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, buddy of mine lives in Florida. He just sent me this. He sent me, uh, he was at the supermarket and they have, uh, iguana meat.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Probably not bad. Dude, I'm telling you, the, uh, Snake Island, I, I was like, I thought it was fake. My wife was telling me about it. I'm like, dude, you got tricked. This is has to be AI. I looked it up and it's like. It's a real thing. Let me see that iguana meat.

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm sending it.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  I would, it would probably be good. I've eaten gator before. Gator's not bad.

• 36:30Joe Rogan?

  This might be fake.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  I think it is. It's a, uh.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  God damn it.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  I'm Googling it. There's a, a pizza restaurant that got in trouble for serving it.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Really?

• 36:38Speaker 03

  But nothing else is popping up about canned.

• 36:39Joe Rogan?

  They got in trouble for serving it? Did they tell people they were serving it? You know, cause people eat them. They hunt them and eat them all the time. I was watching a YouTube video the other day with this guy was making like stir fried iguana meat.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Well, they get massive. They get massive.

• 36:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. And they apparently taste good.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Probably. They're aggressive too. If you see them in the wild, they'll like charge after you. They're nasty, man.

• 37:01Joe Rogan?

  They're big.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're, they're pretty.

• 37:03Joe Rogan?

  Get like four or five feet long.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  They're, yeah, they're huge.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  Which is nuts.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  That was another animal I encountered in Turks and Caicos. We did the shark swimming and I was like, all right, I let them like get out of the way. And then we went to this island. It was just full of iguanas and they'll, they'll just run up on you.

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• 39:04Joe Rogan?

  Do you know in Florida, when it gets really cold, they just fall out of trees? No, that's hilarious. Because sometimes Florida, it'll dip. It'll get into the 30s and these fuckers just fall out of the trees, like stoned. They just freeze and just drop? And then they thaw out and come back to life. What? Yeah. Fuck. It's an ancient species. Like, these are ancient creatures. Damn. So they, I thought they, I thought they need the, like, their

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Cold blooded and they die. So they can, I guess they can just chill.

• 39:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, so are alligators and alligators freeze in lakes sometimes with their mouths above the water. They have their nose and their eyes above the water and they just, they're frozen. There's a bunch of images of these guys. Frozen in lakes.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  I guess everything just slows down and they just chill.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  They don't have to eat for a year.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  What?

• 39:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they can go without eating for a whole year.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  So how much you think we really have to eat? If alligators, if bears don't have to eat all winter, alligators can go one year. Like, do you think, I always think like, do we have to eat every day?

• 39:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, we definitely eat more than any people have, ever have, except like Royals.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's why people are so tiny. Like you go back to like the Civil War, the average man was like a hundred and thirty pounds.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 40:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because nobody had any food. You know, nobody had any protein.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:14Joe Rogan?

  But if you think about like how much we eat morning, noon, and then evening, hunter gatherers, they, they got a meal a day. You know, like if you got lucky, you had a meal and you ate as much as you could because there's no way to preserve it. And then you went out the next day and hoped you got another animal.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's kind of wild. You must have spent like six thousand calories a day just trying to get one meal.

• 40:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then other than like drying your meat out, there's no way to preserve it. So they would make jerky or, you know, like I know in Mexico, some friends of mine went down there and they have this traditional way of taking buffalo and they slice it like really, really thin and then they hang it on like a clothes hanger and dry it out.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Really? That's all you need to do?

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what they had to do. They had to figure out how to dry stuff. Because, you know, there's no, man, how fucking hard life must have been with no refrigeration.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Dude, it would suck so bad.

• 41:11Joe Rogan?

  Suck so bad, man. I mean, that's like, when you go back to the turn of the century, all the diseases were happening in America. Just think about it. No running water. Everybody's like shitting in holes in the ground outside the houses. There's no ventilation. There's no air conditioning.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  No vitamins.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Especially here. How do people live in Texas?

• 41:30Joe Rogan?

  Hard people, bro.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  It must've been crazy.

• 41:33Joe Rogan?

  Hard people.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:35Joe Rogan?

  Hard fucking people.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  I've been reading Western, I'm reading Lonesome Dove right now. It's like an old classic Western. And they just talk about how hot they are all day long. It's just dust in their face and it's like, dude, that shit would suck.

• 41:47Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you don't live near a lake, so you can cool off a little bit.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  Oh, no, there's like, yeah, they have like a spring house and every time they gotta get water, there's just rattlesnakes everywhere near the spring house. It's like, dude, that sucks so bad.

• 41:58Joe Rogan?

  There's a great book about Texas called, um, Empire of the Summer Moon.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  Oh, I've heard of that before.

• 42:04Joe Rogan?

  About the settlers encountering the Comanche.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  You gotta think, like, if the Comanche, if this is where they lived, and they lived here year-round, like, they had to be the hardest fucking people in the world.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, that would be brutal.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  Just had to be fucking, just tough as fuck.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Especially when it gets like freezing too. They have like that two weeks where it's super cold and, yeah, that would be...

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  You never know when it's coming back then either. You couldn't prepare. Like, Texas, like, right now it's eighty. Two weeks ago it was thirty.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  Before that it was twenty. Before that it was seventy. Like, it's, you don't know when it's coming.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  No. You have, I like, I've been here for two years and I know we're gonna get like, a solid collective week of real winter. And the rest of it's just like fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty, twenty, forty, yeah, it's kinda like...

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  It's worth it. I think it's perfect, cause it gives you just enough cold, so you appreciate the warm, just enough, but nothing like where you wanna kill yourself.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 42:55Joe Rogan?

  Nothing like, there's, you know, Montana winters and Wyoming winters where they last like seven months. You're like, I don't know if I wanna do this.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Even regular east coast winter, I couldn't handle it. By the time I had left, like, you don't feel the sun for like at least three months. And I remember spring, it would finally like come out and it's like, that messes me up. Like, I need, I'd rather it be super hot and sunny than be cold.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Cause you can just like, you know, just figure, jump in a lake, jump in a pool, you can cool off.

• 43:22Joe Rogan?

  That's what flu season's all about, too.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  What?

• 43:24Joe Rogan?

  It's not like the flu emerges in the winter. It's just everybody's immune system's low. No one has any vitamin D. A buddy of mine who was a doctor said that he would do tests on people in New York City, and he said, so many people would come into his practice and had undetectable levels of vitamin D.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  What?

• 43:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cuz they weren't supplementing at all. And they were wearing winter clothes and they were never outside. And everybody's sick and they don't know why. Well, you're vitamin D depleted.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:50Joe Rogan?

  That's why in Seattle, they have a lot of people go in tanning beds and shit. They try to like do something.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  Oh, just to get people.

• 43:56Joe Rogan?

  Cuz tanning beds will give you a natural dose of vitamin D.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  That's kinda nice.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Apparently, it's, isn't it like a hormone more than a vitamin?

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  So, yeah, that's what I heard. It's like not even just like, you know, vitamin A or B. It's like something you absolutely need.

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Big time.

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of people are saying you should, uh, hyperdose it too. Like, cuz the USDA recommended is like five thousand milligrams. A lot of people are saying like thirty thousand is what they take every day.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I had to do that for a while cuz I had low vitamin D. And they were like, you can take as much of this as you want. I, I'm like, so, I'm like such a baby with medicine. Like, I'm like super sensitive to it. It did like absolutely no side effects at all.

• 44:33Joe Rogan?

  No, it doesn't give you side effects. But for full absorption, I think you're supposed to take it with a bunch of other stuff. Like, I think the recommended is, I take it with K2, vitamin K2 and magnesium. I think there might be one other thing that also helps absorption. But, uh, like Dr. Rhonda Patrick was on a podcast recently and she was talking about how vitamin D. Someone was taking vitamin D, but they weren't showing any improvement. She's like, where are you taking it with magnesium?

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 45:00Joe Rogan?

  So magnesium apparently helps vitamin D get absorbed in your body. Like, there's a bunch of those things that like works. Like, if you, if you take them without any fat or any food, they're not good.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:10Joe Rogan?

  But then like amino acids, you have to take them on an empty stomach. It's like, you gotta know what you're doing.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  That's true. Yeah, I have like a paste. It's like a goop that's like fatty and I just put it on a spoon and take it.

• 45:18Joe Rogan?

  What is it? Just vitamin D fatty?

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's vitamin D. It's like a liposomal thing.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you put it on a spoon?

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just, I just eyeball it. I'm like, that's probably about right.

• 45:26Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if like liposomal absorbs easier?

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 45:30Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that the whole idea about it?

• 45:32Speaker 02

  It's paired to a fat and it kind of, you know.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  Right. I wonder if that you don't need as much, like where you don't need vitamin D or, uh, K2 rather.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Well, I, I don't know, but I was low and then I'm not now. So, I'm like, maybe it worked, maybe it was a fact I was outside. I don't know.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it works.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just like, does it work optimally? That's the thing.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  It's like, just taking it alone is definitely gonna be better than not taking it at all. But they think that for maximum absorption. What, what are the things that you should take with vitamin D for? Put that in perplexly. The, the things you take with vitamin D for maximum absorption?

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to remember all this stuff, too. That's part of the problem. Like, I'll hear it on a podcast, I'm like, "Yeah, yeah."

• 46:15Speaker 02

  Go back, go, "What the fuck did Andrew Huberman say?"

• 46:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I remember, I heard, um, Huberman had this thing about cortisol, and he's like, "You need to spike your cortisol early in the morning," which I, you know, if I get up and exercise in the morning, like, yeah, that's, seems true, because I feel good. But then I was like, "I, I can't have caffeine anymore." I had to get off completely.

• 46:35Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 46:35Speaker 02

  Dude, I have, I, I can't have it. I'm like, super sensitive to it. If I had a cup of coffee, what time is it right now? If I had a cup of coffee now, at 2 o'clock, I would not sleep till midnight.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  Is that because you don't drink much of it?

• 46:47Speaker 02

  I don't metabolize it.

• 46:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  That's my mom, my dad can drink coffee and fall asleep, but if my mom has coffee, she's, it just, it like, you have it, and I can feel it just in my body for hours, and I, it's just like a non-stop cour-, like, I love caffeine, the mental effects. My body just can't stand it.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever tried, um, nootropics? Like, theanine?

• 47:07Speaker 02

  I've done it all.

• 47:08Joe Rogan?

  Acetylcholine?

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Not acetylcholine, but I've taken L-theanine with it, which helped a little bit, but then I'll just drink more coffee, because I can handle it.

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't mean with coffee. I mean by itself, as like, a little bit of a pick-me-up.

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. No, I, I like, uh, yeah, I take, I take L-theanine before I go to sleep. I think it kinda helps me sleep.

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I hear that, too, which is interesting, because it helps with your memory. Like, how's it help with your memory and also help you go to sleep?

• 47:29Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 47:29Joe Rogan?

  Here it says, "Vitamin D is a fat soluble nutrient, so pairing it with dietary fat maximizes its absorption in the gut. Take vitamin D supplements with a meal containing fats for optimal uptake. Studies show you can boost serum levels by about 50%. Foods like fatty fish, avocados, olive oil, nuts, seeds, or full-fat yogurt provide these fats effectively supportive nutrients. Magnesium aids in converting vitamin D to its active form and transporting it in the body. Vitamin K2 works synergistically to direct calcium to bones, enhancing benefits for bone health. Omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil also improve absorption alongside fats." Alright, so that's it. So vitamin D you should take with magnesium and K2, and probably some fish oil.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 48:13Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  I was eating it after breakfast, so, there we go. I was getting my fats.

• 48:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  But yeah, the caffeine, for me, I can't, like, you know, everyone's different, but I, I can't have it, like, I had it.

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

  I could drink two double espressos and go to sleep.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  That's crazy. So, here's my thing, too. I stopped, because I didn't start really drinking caffeine all the time until I had kids. But I, I like, I don't have dreams at night. If I drink even coffee during like, the day, no dreams at night.

• 48:36Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 48:36Speaker 02

  If, I don't know what it is, man. I'm super, super sensitive to it.

• 48:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of people that stop smoking weed say that they get wa- wild, crazy dreams.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  That happens too. That kind of blocks your dreams too.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  But even that, like, I don't know, I smoked weed forever and like, I would still kind of have dreams, but it's, the caffeine just like, completely neutralizes them. And then they say that, it's like anecdotal, but they say that caffeine, there's anecdotal evidence that it kind of, uh, what is it? Like discourages or, you know, whatever it does to your brain. You don't do as much divergent thinking, it's more like convergent. Where like, if you need to get like a task, like, alright, I need to edit something. Caffeine's great, but if you're like, I need to come up with a story idea. There's like anecdotal evidence that says like, people who are on caffeine report that it like messes up their ability to like, just kind of like, you know, come up with like new or novel ideas.

• 49:23Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, that makes sense.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:24Joe Rogan?

  It's because you're just hyper-focused on the one thing that you're doing.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:27Joe Rogan?

  Like a low dose meth.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty much.

• 49:31Joe Rogan?

  You're like, my friends that have dated girls that have had problems with amphetamines, one of the things they say is they know when they're on it, because then they start cleaning the house. They start cleaning everything.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:42Joe Rogan?

  They start getting like hyper-focused on like organizing and cleaning. Like, that sounds like a good drug.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's, what's the bad, it's probably a spaz though, that's probably the backlash.

• 49:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's probably they're doing it for 12 hours while they're listening to Slayer.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  You're not even talking about Adderall. This is them doing like crystal meth or something?

• 50:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. He was saying amphetamines. I would assume it's like meth.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, amphetamine babe would be not ideal, I don't think.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, I've talked to people that have done meth. They tell you feel like you're fucking Superman, but you also like want to get things done.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Really?

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  That's, I've heard that similar thing about crack where you feel like a genius. You smoke crack, apparently you're just like, dude, like, why would I have a refrigerator? I can sell it right now and I can just order out to, and like, apparently you're just like, the smartest person in your head in the world.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  And then you're just like, it all crashes every 30 minutes.

• 50:32Joe Rogan?

  It's like free-based cocaine is what, all it is.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:36Joe Rogan?

  Like what Richard Pryor was doing back in the day. That was just before crack.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  It was free-basing cocaine.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's weird too, because I think it just, like, coke, I think just floods your brain. A lot of things just flood your brain with dopamine.

• 50:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the delivery method apparently of crack is superior. Like, there's something about smoking it where it just goes right to your head. Well, I know this from Hunter Biden. Because Hunter Biden was, he was on that Channel 5 show when he was talking about it. It's fucking, he was so descriptive of it, it almost made you want to try crack. It was almost like, it was like a romantic tale of like a bad romance that he had to get out of.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  It is a very gentlemanly way to say it. It's superior delivery mechanism.

• 51:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's very smart, right?

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  So he's very articulate. He's talking about like what it was like to smoke crack.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:23Joe Rogan?

  It's like, holy shit, man.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  And I wonder, I guess, I guess he's off of it, cause I guess like, you know.

• 51:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  If you started again, it's probably just another.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was that baggie they found at the White House, but. First of all, it might have been his, but also, you think he's the only one of those people doing coke?

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was about to say, that could be anybody.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Listen, there's probably a lot of those folks that need a little pick-me-up sometimes for a meeting, before they have to do a press thing, or.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  Oh dude.

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  You're working sixteen hours a day, little talk.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  Big time.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  I used to work at a real estate company when I was in college, just like, you know, they would like buy apartment buildings. And dude, all the, like the senior management were like, they used to buy Adderall off me. They would just chomp fucking Adderall, come in and just be like, they would do sales meetings and just be like.

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  A friend of mine who's a journalist says that all these journalists are on Adderall.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I believe it.

• 52:13Joe Rogan?

  Says it makes you productive.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:15Joe Rogan?

  They're all doing it. Some of them are like super open about it, like Dave Portnoy, when he was in here, he was telling us, what did he say? He took thirty milligrams? I don't remember, but yeah. It was enough that I was like, yo, and then I had to go to Jamie, how much is that? And Jamie was like, a lot.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Thirties, yeah, thirties, uh, that would get you.

• 52:32Joe Rogan?

  But not a lot if you do it a lot, right?

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would get a.

• 52:35Joe Rogan?

  It's a thing. It's like if you're doing edibles with Joey Diaz, like, how much should I take? Take two cocksucker.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, what? Take two. Like, how much do you take?

• 52:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that would definitely, I mean, I feel like I can't get a tolerance to eat edibles. They just knock me out every time.

• 52:51Joe Rogan?

  Jamie can just eat them and they don't do anything to them.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Crazy. I know people like that too, like, I need like two hundred milligrams to feel it. I'm like, I'm psychotic. At two hundred milligrams, I'm fried.

• 53:00Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:01Joe Rogan?

  Two hundred is a lot.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  I used to have these lollipops that were two hundred milligrams, so I would try to gauge it, like, I don't want to eat too much of it. And it would just, I would get fucking whacked all the time.

• 53:10Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, we were, we went over how many people are on Adderall once.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Like the number of Adderall prescriptions in a year was something bonkers. It was like thirty nine million Adderall prescriptions in this country. But then you have to go like, how many people is that? Right? Cause like you refill your prescriptions. So how often do you refill it? How many times a year? You know what I mean?

• 53:33Joe Rogan?

  I think it's more than thirty nine. If that's the case, I feel like there's thirty nine million subscribers to Adderall.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  Well, there's definitely people that are getting it other ways.

• 53:41Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 53:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get your script and you sell it, but it's like.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  So there were thirty nine.

• 53:46Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, you're getting it illegally.

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're getting illegal, good and bad. You're, you know, getting cartel stuff.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Like pressed and stuff?

• 53:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like they, they can make a Valium that looks just like a Valium and there's fucking fentanyl in it.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, true. No, that's, that's a, that like the pill world is they're like completely riddled with that right now.

• 54:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's scary, man. Cause kids are taking these, like, there was a kid from a local high school around here that I read a story. There, he took an Adderall, he thought it was an Adderall and it had fentanyl in it. He died.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  He got it from one of his friends. He was just trying to cram four studies.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's why I always tell people, anyone I know who does coke, I'm always like, you gotta stop, man. They're like, no, we'll test it. It's like, no, you're not. You're gonna be at a bar. You're gonna be hammered. You're gonna buy coke and shove it up your nose. I'm not gonna stop and be like, let me see.

• 54:34Joe Rogan?

  I've never done it, but all my friends who have done it have all said the same thing. Don't do it.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Hmm? It's too good. I've never, I've never done it either. I had no, I've never had any interest, but it's like I, I, every time I'm around people on it, I'm just like, dude, this sucks.

• 54:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Maybe they're having fun, but it's like.

• 54:49Joe Rogan?

  They wanna sell you bitcoin.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  They wanna go into business now. Everybody does.

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

  They get like super hyped about a project. They wanna bring you in.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I think. I, I guess that's the way it was explained to me. You just feel like you've accomplished something major. So you just like snort coke and you're like, I am the best ever.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Why is, I don't know. I just.

• 55:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Joey Diaz used to say that you can't go on stage with that.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can see that.

• 55:14Joe Rogan?

  It's the worst. He goes, you have no feeling. You don't feel for the crowd.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's how I feel. But I can't drink and go on stage because I'll just, I I'm way too confident. If something doesn't land, I'm like, fucking whatever, pussy. Like, I just don't, I don't care and I just do so bad.

• 55:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, that's, it's a weird fine dance that people do with substances and performing. Especially if you're doing like a speed or something, because you can get it wrong.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  I would imagine.

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can get your balance wrong.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  I've heard Adderall does not mix with comedy at all.

• 55:45Joe Rogan?

  That's what I've heard too.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  People like it. You're just, it's like a weird part of your brain where you're just too lasered in.

• 55:50Joe Rogan?

  I've heard people like to use it for writing, though, which I think is weird.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  I guess, yeah, I don't know.

• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  I know they use it for writing books. I don't know if it would be the same for writing comedy. Because, you know, you're talking about like coming up with ideas, like you'd imagine that would be the coffee thing on steroids.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Right? I, for me, for writing, like, I like to write. I like to, I write books. I like to do other stuff. Writing stand-up is more like, it has to just pop into my head, then I go like, oh, that would be funny. And then, you know, if I start fleshing out, like, new ideas come. But I've tried to, like, write stand-up and it never, it like, very rarely do I get anything that like works from when I do that.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me too, but what I do is I write essays. I just like essays on a subject. And then from that, I'll extract little things.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  That's a good idea.

• 56:34Joe Rogan?

  And then I take that little thing and I say, how do I introduce this thing? And what is, what would be funny about this thing? And how would I lead into this? And what are the other, like, surrounding things that would go with this?

• 56:44Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's a good way to do it. I have to, I have to trick myself into being like I'm memorizing my material. So I just bullet point it and then I get bored and my mind wanders. I'm like, that would actually be pretty funny.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, and then you start rambling. Yeah, that's the thing about the essay. That if you just sit down and write a sub, you know, about a subject, whatever that subject is, that you just start thinking about all the different aspects of that sub, instead of thinking how to write in comedy form.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, that's, that's a, that's a smart idea. Because, yeah, if I try to write it, then like you try to repeat it, but you wrote it down. So then it sounds like a written thing and it's like.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  In the essay way, it's a brutal process, because then you have to take that one sentence or that one paragraph in a thousand words, and then figure out a way to introduce that where it's not clunky.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:30Joe Rogan?

  And then figure out what's the funniest part about it. And it's like, you have to always know that the first time you bring it out there, it's gonna suck.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  And you have to just slowly but surely trust it to get better, and just throw it into the fire every night.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, you have your bits that you know are gonna kill, and you're like, I don't wanna trot that one out here.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  I know. That is the, I, kind of is the funnest part, though, to me. Like, when I moved here, I had just, uh, I think, I, yeah, I think I had just put out an hour, or like, recorded. So I had no, I had to like, start with like, new material, which sucks, you move somewhere, you have new stuff, and you're like, dude, I have only new shit. It's a bad feeling, but it's like, it's exciting, because you're like, you don't know how it's gonna go every night. I don't know, I like, I like that.

• 58:14Joe Rogan?

  I think it's good. I think, it's like, we were talking the other day, uh, about loss, about failure. Like, I was talking with Michael Malice about bombing on stage. I think bombing is good, because what happens if you bomb, that feeling, you feel terrible the next day, you feel terrible that night, and then you're like, I gotta fucking get back on stage, and really like, tighten up my shit. And I always have, in the past, made big leaps after I bombed.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 58:40Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, I think it's important. Like, failure is important. It sucks, you don't like it, but you gotta go through that. Like, maybe you got overconfident, or maybe you were in a bad mood, or maybe it was like, whatever.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, it, it helps, that, that's what like, motivates me to write stand-up. If I bomb, I'm like, alright, now, let me, let me like, dial it in, because I, I have like, I'm always doing a bunch of stuff, and like, I'm like, oh, I got a show, and I like, you know, organize kind of against the gun. But, yeah, a good, a bomb really is like a clarifying, it's good for you, honestly.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  It's good to have a bomb.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, I used to say that to fighters, too. You lose a fight, it's good, as long as you didn't get really hurt.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  It's good, because you like that feeling, go home with that feeling. And think about all the stones that you left unturned, all the times we skipped roadwork, all the times we skipped strength and conditioning, all the times you're half-assing it in the gym. That guy didn't do that, he just beat you.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Now you know. You know, you know, like, you have to understand that there's levels to these, there's levels to dedication, there's levels to- Competency and you know, a good loss is good for you.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it kind of like, you know, again, if you have your tried and true and you're just going on stage, you know, it's working night after night. You just go home, you're like, whatever. But yeah, when you bomb it, like, for me, it does something in my brain where I, my thoughts start flying, you know, whatever that is, just helps me get stuff out there.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, when I lived in Boston, one of the things that was a real problem was there were these, there was these local headliners that had these fucking acts, man. They had forty-five minutes of like hammered samurai sword. It was so good, because they had been doing that forty-five minutes for a decade and a half.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Crazy dude.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  It was so good. Their timing was so good. The, the pacing was so good. They would crush every night. But after a while, they never added anything new to it. And these guys just like, a buddy of mine went to see a Boston headliner that we knew from like Fitzsimmons. Went to see a Boston headliner that we knew from the eighties. And he goes, dude, he was doing the same material. He goes, it was so sad. He goes, he was just phoning it in. It was barely getting a response from the audience. It was like dated references. Because this guy just had an act and he like a fucking guy who shows up at the office, he would open up his suitcase, pull his act out. That was his act.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Those guys are always fascinating, because when you're like, you know, I started in Philly and like, so like the only, the first like paid gigs you get as an open mic'er are like, you do like Moose lodges and shit for like fifty bucks, and it's always one of those like wacko headliners.

• 1:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Who's been around for thirty years.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Doing it forever. He's giving you the career talk in between the show. There's like, I would get like comedy magicians all the time. And dude, it was like, yeah, those, those guys would always kind of freak me out. Like, I would open for guys that would talk about like floppy disks in like the two thousands and I'm like, bro. What are you doing, man? Like, we don't have CDs anymore. You know, this guy talked about porn on a floppy disk.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  On stage?

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Dude, it was fucking Screech, R.I.P. It was Screech. R.I.P. I opened for Screech back in the day and I was like, fuck, yes, this is gonna be awesome. He was, he was killing it in the comedy clubs.

• 1:01:46Joe Rogan?

  He was like one of the first people to go from being on a sitcom to touring on the road.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I call, I call it late Screech though.

• 1:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Skippy. Remember Skippy from Family Ma- was it Family Matters? Is that what his name, what was it from? What was the show? He was another guy who was, uh, he was on a sitcom.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Was he on, not Step by Step?

• 1:02:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  But he was, if I remember saying the same thing, just took off.

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Same thing, he was became, he like, Hollywood didn't work out for him and.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Family Ties.

• 1:02:14Joe Rogan?

  Family Ties. With Michael J. Fox?

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so that guy was headlining comedy clubs.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:21Joe Rogan?

  All over the place.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  This was like a bar in Delaware. This was not a glamorous gig.

• 1:02:26Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  It was bad.

• 1:02:27Joe Rogan?

  What year?

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  This was, I was, I, when I graduated college in 2009, it would've been like 2012, maybe?

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  So this was like late, this was like late Screech, and the whole time he's on stage, people go, "Screech", and he would just, it fucking made him so mad.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  But I remember, it was, it's a funny show, cause I, it was supposed to be a lady was supposed to host, I was gonna feature, it's gonna be Screech as the headliner, and the guy who owned the venue just bad, like wanted to fuck this lady so bad, that he was like, "Hey, I'm letting that lady feature, you're gonna host", and he was like, "I'll pay you the same price", and I was like, "Yeah, whatever, I don't give a shit", so he paid me, and I had been, you know, I'd been doing standup for a couple of years, so I was like kinda sharp, you know, especially for like that bar show, and this lady, I, I didn't, he, she had never done standup before. This was her first time.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  This guy fucked her over, he thought he was doing something nice for her. She sat there for all the 20 minutes and read out of a giant notebook, and just fucking, like completely horrific, like a first time standup doing 20 minutes, completely bombed, and I remember Screech was in the back with me, and he's like, "The fuck is this?", I remember he, he was like bragging, being like, "Dude, they gave me eight grand, I don't give a fuck about this show."

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  I knew a few guys who their girlfriend started doing comedy, and then their girlfriend started opening for them, and it was just wild.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  For her sake, you can't do that.

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  That's so, such a bad idea.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy, and these guys were like competent headliners, so the people were coming to see them, they're excited, "Hey, we're gonna go, we're gonna go laugh, have a good time", nope.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:55Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get tortured for 20 minutes before you get to laugh.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  Also, that's not gonna help him either, she's gonna be furious, like, it's, I don't know why people do that, you can't.

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  They wanna do it, like, "Help me, help me", that's one thing that happens a lot with comedy couples, like, one of the couples will help the other one write. Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, okay, writing's one thing, but like, and it's all.

• 1:04:15Joe Rogan?

  But that's why they wanna do it, it's like they wanna hook up with a headliner, whether it's a guy or a girl.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Joe Rogan?

  You hook up with a headliner, he or she helps you with your act,

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:23Joe Rogan?

  and then you go back and, you know.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  It's also impossible though, cause if you're dating a comic and then you book your own opener, you can't be like, ah, next time, I got you next time. You have to flat out be like, no, I'm not, you're not doing this.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Right, and then you break up.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  But if you really care about their comedy, you'd be like, bro, you gotta, you gotta go to the open mics and, you know.

• 1:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, doing it in front of a sold out show when you're just starting out is a crazy idea.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  That's what I couldn't ima- I literally couldn't imagine. It would, it would have messed me up.

• 1:04:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why I killed Tony so nuts.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Like, there are people, there are people who have gone on for their first time ever in Madison Square Garden to a sold out arena of 16,000 people.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Oh, and then it's filmed for what, like a mil- a couple million people, it's like...

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  Millions of people, you're out there eating dick.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  That must feel crazy waking up the next morning.

• 1:05:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just like, if you go to sleep, let's imagine that you can go to sleep. If I flub a word, I don't go to sleep. They can go to sleep after that?

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're essentially filming a one minute special the first time, the first time you do it.

• 1:05:29Joe Rogan?

  On Netflix.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Or on YouTube, I mean, both of them are getting fucking millions of views.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  I know. Dude, I, I, I, I'd be so scared to do that. People who can do that, I'm like, that's amazing.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're crazy.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  True, true. That's actually true.

• 1:05:49Joe Rogan?

  Some of the people, when you're, you're interviewing them after they do the set, like, I go, is this guy been screened? Do we need to make sure he doesn't have a fucking knife on him?

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  They do need that airport fucking thing, man.

• 1:06:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%. Some of these people are out of their fucking mind.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  I always wanted to hang in the bar, right, like the holding tank where everyone is, cause that's gotta be the craziest vibe in there.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, you remember open mic nights?

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, true.

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Open mic night at the Comedy Store in particular was always so nuts.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Joe Rogan?

  It was just a complete lunatic asylum.

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  There's this one guy, Robert William Alprovia, and he would come there everywhere. He was a really nice guy. And all of his act was about marijuana. And he, at one point in time, was a lawyer. And then, I guess, blew a fuse. And then, just was doing comedy, but he would walk from downtown. He lived in a flop house in downtown. And it would take him hours. He would walk from downtown to the Comedy Store, and when it rained out, the way he would deal with the rain is he would take plastic grocery bags and tuck them inside of all of his clothing. So he'd wrap them around his body. So he had his clothing on the outside in these plastic bags all over his body.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  That's so fucking funny. The clothes were on the outside?

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  So he let his clothes get wet, but his body would be guy?

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, he couldn't figure out how to put it all outside of him.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:07:13Joe Rogan?

  So his solution was just cover his skin and keep him from getting wet and cold, which I guess would work. It'd probably keep you sweaty, too.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'd sweat, yeah.

• 1:07:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So he was like a staple. And he would go there every night, late at night. And he would be like one of the last guys up at open mic night, every week.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and just was insane. Like, you couldn't shake your hand. Couldn't touch him. He was always nervous that everybody hated him, and so he'd like be scared. And I became friends with him, so he was cool with me. I'd talk to him. But like, one time I tried to give him knuckles, and my gosh, I forgot.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  He just wouldn't. Yeah.

• 1:07:46Joe Rogan?

  He would like mumble and look at the ground, like, sorry.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:49Joe Rogan?

  He was legitimately cooked.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was whacked.

• 1:07:52Joe Rogan?

  Whatever was going on.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  Ah, fuck.

• 1:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he was a lawyer.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  And he just blew a fuse?

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  It happens. Yeah, it does. Now, there's, you forget, like, well, at least I did, because I, you know, doing the open mics, it's like, it is like a complete freak factory.

• 1:08:08Joe Rogan?

  A freak factory.

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  But you're like, it's steeped in that so much for years. And then I remember, like, when I finally stopped going to open mics all the time. I was still in Philly, and I like just took a break from the open mics. I would go do shows, and I was like, let me go to the open mic. It'd been like six months, and I was like, I'll go to one, try stuff out. I like got in, you know, I'm sitting behind the area. I was in like Philly helium, just sitting there at the open mic. And I just got like right away, guys like, dude, look at him, he fucking sucks. And it was just like all these people, like, oh, this was like the worst environment you can possibly be in.

• 1:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  It was just, everyone was like, this guy's a fucking piece of shit. I hate this guy. And everyone was so fucking angry. And just, everyone's so charged on adrenaline all the time.

• 1:08:45Joe Rogan?

  They're also... Like, on the outside of this thing that they wanna do, this dream, and they get to try it. Like, a regular person with no training, no schooling, no nothing.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  You get to stand on that stage with a microphone. I went down a rabbit hole the other night, and I was watching Open Mic Nights from Long Island.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck, dude.

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  It was so crazy.

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  That would be fun, though.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy watching someone that definitely shouldn't be doing comedy, that's trying comedy for the first time.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  And I was, you know, it was one of those dumb things. It was like midnight, like, well, let me see.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  And they have them filmed.

• 1:09:26Joe Rogan?

  There's all kinds of stuff. Basically, you find anything.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Online. And I, I started watching. I can only watch for so long, and then I get anxiety, and then I have to shut it off.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  That was like when you do open mics, and you finally do like a showcase, and you invite your friends or your family to watch, and they're just like, "What the fuck are you doing? Who are these people?" You're like, "They're my friends."

• 1:09:46Joe Rogan?

  I brought some of my friends the first time I ever went on stage. I didn't wanna do it by myself.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Right, I was the opposite. I didn't want anyone to see me for a long time.

• 1:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  And I did a show one time, because I have a big family, so I did a show, and there's this place, the Raven Lounge in Philly. It was like awesome, like, when we started. Tiny little black box thing in the top of a bar. It fit maybe like twenty-five people. And I have a big family, so I finally was like, "All right, I'm gonna invite my family out." Dude, I remember I was on stage, and I knew like seventeen out of the twenty-five people, and I was like, "Dude, fucking kill me right now."

• 1:10:16Joe Rogan?

  It sucks. And they're staring at you like this?

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just saw my aunt in the front, and she's like looking at me, and I was like, "No."

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  Watching you choke, watching you bomb, oh.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  For them. They were the audience. I'm like, "Fuck."

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  It's what, that's, you know, the only way. It's like, I know some people that have taken comedy classes, and then that has kinda got them into stand-up.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, dude.

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  This is a function of comedy classes, and that function is, like, it gets you to try it. I don't think anybody, maybe there's a few people out there that are like legit comics that are teaching them, but for the most part, not.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  How, so, we had a comedy- Comedy class at Helium, and the thing was, if you won, if you took the comedy class to get, let you in the comedy classes contest, then you can compete with the other people in the class, and if you won that, you got the hosting gig at Helium.

• 1:11:08Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  And it was, it was a sweet deal, but it was so hard to get in at Helium. So I had done stand up for a while. I took time off, and when I got back into it, I was like, fuck it, I'm taking that comedy class, I'm gonna try to fast track myself into host. So I won the comedy class contest, and, and then I got into Philly's Funniest. When I won Philly's Funniest, I got, you know, they were like, the improv theater across the street was like, we'll let you host a comedy class, and we'll give you like thirty-five bucks an hour. Dude, I had like no healthcare, I had nothing. I was like, absolutely, let's do it. So I, I had a comedy class, and they showed up, and I was like, alright, never take a comedy class ever again. I was like, don't ever do this ever again, this is so dumb you guys did this, but we're just gonna run this as an open mic, and I was like, get up there, and I had them all go up and just do like five, you know, I just, it was just an open mic.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, that'll work.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I tried to tell them.

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Something, yeah.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  That's what I tried to tell them, but I, I, the one I was at was like, real sketchy, man, it was very much like, I'm about to blow up, I'm taking you guys with me, this is how it's done. And you get out of it, and you go, this motherfucker, bro, like, I got deals in development, blah, blah, blah, fucking bullshit.

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  There's so many of those guys.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  I, I got blacklisted from Helium because they found out I had a comedy class, which was even a co- it was a fake comedy class, I just wanted the money for it. And, uh-

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Did you try to tell them?

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I told the owner, I was like, bro, what are we doing? He's like, look, man, just chill, and I was like, I was like, can I do the open mic still? He's like, you can do the open mic, and the guy found out I was on the open mic, and they booted me off that for like a month.

• 1:12:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  He was out for blood, and I called him, like, what the fuck, because I knew this guy, I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? He's like, well, I didn't call them, I'm like, okay, you know, it was like, it was a big thing, but-

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was talk when they were, the same people own Cap City here now. There was talk that if you headlined there, you couldn't do my club for three months.

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:12:46Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, come on, guys, why? I go, I, I said to him, I'm like, I'll, if you, if one of my friends is at your club, I'm like, I'll tweet about it. Like, I don't, I, I don't want this to be competition, there's plenty of comedians, and there's plenty of audience members for everybody, that's silly.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Also, everyone's like, fine, I just, yeah, that, that's such, that's insane.

• 1:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  I don't like that stuff.

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  A young guy coming up, you're banning him from the club because he's hosting a comedy class for money?

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was nonsense. Now, you know, now we're cool.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  That comedy class is probably gonna lead more people to your club. Like, it's all feeds off of itself.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  I know. And it was literally like, well, you know, maybe the word got out that I was like, never take a comedy class ever again.

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Why did Philly have a class? Did helium have a class?

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  That was the class I took. I took a class in helium. Because I wanted to fast-track myself to the host. Otherwise, you gotta do Philly's funniest.

• 1:13:35Joe Rogan?

  He just said it.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I was like, I completely gamed it. And I was like, fuck it. Because these were like, people who'd never done it before. I'd done it for years. So I just went and did the class so I could do the contest.

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever go back and think about people that you knew in the early days? And you're like, I thought they were gonna make it?

• 1:13:49Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a couple of people that I was like, this guy is like a celebrity. Like he's, he's got it. And it's just like, I don't know what hap- they just kind of like, I guess, I don't know.

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  It is weird.

• 1:15:55Joe Rogan?

  There's a few people that I started out with, I'm like, damn, this dude's talented. Like, there's something there.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  Oh, no. Yeah, I know, it's funny you said that, I'm like, I don't think so. Then I'm like, oh, yeah, there was definitely at least one, if not like, two or three that I-

• 1:16:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  They would come, they would do the- but they were, this guy was always on his own time. He would like show up late, just walk on, like it was, I think there's some people you just can't keep into like a thing at all. But their personalities are like magnetic.

• 1:16:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's some people that for whatever reason, they never figure out how to make a living at it.

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:24Joe Rogan?

  They never like, and then they get bored with it. Or they get frustrated or something.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  There's, yeah, I couldn't imagine, just the, like, the, there was, I'd see people go who would like, and everyone bombs when you're starting out at open mics, but there are people that bomb every time for like years. And they keep doing it and you're like, bro, how are you?

• 1:16:42Joe Rogan?

  How are you alive?

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  How are you doing this? I would have one bad set, I'm like, I'm gonna kill myself, dude, I hate this.

• 1:16:48Joe Rogan?

  Some people just don't see it and that's also, they don't address it and that's also where they don't get any better.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  They don't have any self-awareness.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that could be it.

• 1:16:57Joe Rogan?

  And their perception of how people see them is distorted.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, that's kind of scary, actually.

• 1:17:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you just want to put blinders up.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  It's pretty cut and dry, though, when like, if people are silent in front of you, you're like, damn, I suck right now, I should change something.

• 1:17:13Joe Rogan?

  But in the beginning, it's just, it's such a weird, you're, you're basically like running a marathon blindfolded.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Joe Rogan?

  Through trees.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Well, I, I did it like finally, when I did like a special, I was like, oh, this is the point of it. You have to come up with an hour of stand up.

• 1:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  Before I was just like, I need to have a good five minutes for tonight and I would just go up and do it and be like, great. And I would just go back home with like no plan or anything.

• 1:17:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a lot of guys who live in cities where you do short sets all the time.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  We were talking about that the other night in the green room, like some guys who do a lot of like New York City clubs, they have a really good 15 minutes, a fucking crush for 15 minutes. But when they have to do an hour, then things get weird because they can't keep the same energy for an hour. It's not, you, you have to pace it. It has to be hills and valleys. You have to kind of like structure it.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:58Joe Rogan?

  And then they also don't really have the material because they're basically just doing their best 15 minutes all the time.

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, true. I, I had the, uh, I wasn't even really doing stand up. Me and Shane were doing the podcast and I was like, I was gonna do the podcast. I don't even want to do stand up anymore. And then he, it was pretty funny. Behind my back, went to the manager at helium was like, dude, have Matt headline. And I was like, fucking dick. And the guy hit me up. So I started doing that. So I had been like not doing stand up.

• 1:18:25Joe Rogan?

  For how long?

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  For like months and months and like maybe a year off. And I, I had like, you know, I went, you know, it was like, I would go and try stuff. So then I started doing, when I first started headlining, I would do an hour, have off for like two months, do an hour somewhere else. It was the most insane, it like really started fucking with me.

• 1:18:43Joe Rogan?

  Did you have recordings to listen to?

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would record the audio and I would listen to it and then I would like jot down notes and like it, it was the most insane way to get back into it.

• 1:18:51Joe Rogan?

  That was the thing that we experienced after COVID. There was a, a moment where I hadn't done stand up in like four or five months.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:58Joe Rogan?

  It was, it felt so weird. And then Houston had, uh, stand up. They, they had clubs open. And they like spaced people out and put masks on them. Like this is so ridiculous.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, we were doing shows inside and I only did one weekend and then I got super paranoid. I'm like, what if I give it to someone and they die?

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:18Joe Rogan?

  I'm being so selfish that I don't want to do these shows. So I gotta stop. So. I had this old lady on the podcast and my first thought was, what if I have it and I give it to her?

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  Damn, that would suck.

• 1:19:31Joe Rogan?

  I was so freaked out.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:33Joe Rogan?

  I didn't have, I wasn't even remotely sick. That was what was crazy. Like, it was just a, it was a boogeyman.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:19:40Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't like, I'm coughing, maybe I shouldn't come into work. No, it was like, I feel great, but what if I have it? I don't know.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:19:46Joe Rogan?

  I give it to this lady.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, dude, I had my first kid, right? Like, March 2020.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  So it just, we got out of the hospital and like a week later, I was like, holding my face in a grocery store and being like, fuck, what the hell's going on?

• 1:19:59Joe Rogan?

  You could be with her when she gave birth then.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was cool.

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  That was what was crazy.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I felt bad.

• 1:20:05Joe Rogan?

  People were dying alone, because you couldn't visit them while they were dying.

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  And it was insane, dude. It was, it was like, and luckily, when we went in for our second kid, that was like, it was still kind of in the mix. We, we were able to go in together, but like, our nurse, you know, if we didn't have like our mask on, she was like, I don't, whatever, I don't care. Because I heard people were getting like, just, like, like, two weeks after we had our kid, people were in there, like, I gotta stay home, my wife's in there by herself, all the way, and it was like, disaster. But even navigating that was crazy, because it was like, you know, I'd tell my wife, like, I wanna go do this. She's like, what if you bring it all to all of us? And it was just, I remember just at one point being like, then we're all gonna fucking get it, dude. I don't know. Like, we, I, you know, I did the numbers, like, I think this affects older people, or, you know.

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  What, what time was this?

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  Uh, this would have been March. It was like, March 2020, and then like, the next six months. Because I, you know, I would like, go try to do stuff. She's like, if you go outside, we're all gonna get sick.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  I was worried about it. I wasn't really confident that people weren't gonna get really fucked up by it, until, like, a few of my friends got it and got over it.

• 1:21:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:03Joe Rogan?

  And then my family got it, and I didn't get it. And I thought that was crazy, because I tried to get it, like, I didn't,

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:10Joe Rogan?

  I didn't, I hugged my kids, they were laughing, you're gonna get COVID. I was like, I'm not gonna get it. And I was, part of my head was like, boy, I hope I don't get it.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  I never got it. I worked out, and I didn't feel so good, and I said, let me just go through the paces today. And then I worked out the next day, same thing. I'm like, I don't feel so good. I feel like, weak. So I just, let me do like, my kettlebell routine with like, 35 pounds, just easy. Don't push it, just a couple sets. And so I did that two days in a row. And then the third day I went to the gym. I'm like, how do I feel? And I'm like, I feel fucking good. Like, I feel great. Like, nothing feels wrong at all. And I had a full workout. I felt fine. So I was like, alright, I guess I didn't get it.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Joe Rogan?

  And I went and got tested to see if I had antibodies, like if I had recovered from it. Nope, never got in there. Yeah, I talked to my wife. She was coughing and shit.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  That's awesome. That's such a fucking beast move, dude.

• 1:21:59Joe Rogan?

  She was like, you're gonna get it. I'm like, let's find out. Let's find out.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  That is a beast move. I, I, I'm like terrible at math, but I remember looking up like, how likely is it to die from this? And it was like, point oh oh oh oh one something. I was like, fine, man.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  I know, but they, there was so much propaganda. And it was like, the thing was, we were in the middle of doing podcasts. And we've tested everybody when they show up, make sure that nobody has it, tested all of the employees, security guys, everybody that works for me. Everybody got tested every day.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  We'd show up, we'd be separated, nurse would come with a mask on, test everybody. And then, once we had the results, then we would allow the show to go on.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:38Joe Rogan?

  So, I was like, I can't fuck this up. Cause if I fuck this up, I fuck this up for everybody.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, true.

• 1:22:43Joe Rogan?

  So I gotta be careful.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:45Joe Rogan?

  And I just didn't want my guests, like, the guests were flying in, they were taking a chance. A lot of them were older, you know, like a lot of professors. You know, they're flying in to do this podcast and I had to make sure then, and then someone ratted us out. So the health department showed up at the studio. And they wanted us to have a bag of masks, like, right when you walk in. So we had to put a bag of masks right there. We had to put a hand sanitizer thing right there. And then a sign that says like what you're supposed to do, six foot distancing, all that shit. I was like, alright. But they were saying that we weren't socially distancing. We saw him hug people outside the front door.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  That's completely dystopian, man. That's crazy. Yeah, I, I don't know why. You know what it was? Cause my parents were just like, cause, you know, the first time we all hung out outside. My, both my parents were like, bro, this sucks. We're just coming inside. We're not doing this. And that was like.

• 1:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my parents were terrified of it.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  My parents didn't give a fuck. They were like, this is bullshit.

• 1:23:41Joe Rogan?

  My parents didn't want to hang out with anybody until they got vaccinated.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were real nervous about it. They're, they're older, you know?

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:47Joe Rogan?

  It's like, when you get older, you know, like, that's why a lot of these people, like, the, the Neil Youngs and Howard Sterns and all those people that freely freaked out about it, they're older people.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  So to them, they're looking at, they might. Be that one percent that dies.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Whereas like you're young and healthy, you work out, you'll be, you'll probably be fine. You'll be okay. Your wife's healthy. You'll be fine. When you're an old person and you, you, you smell death in the air already.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Every day, every day you wake up, you're like, oh, your fucking back hurts. Oh, Jesus, you can barely get out of bed. Fucking, your feet are swollen. Like, it could get you.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy. I'm surprised my, my, my parents are like, you know, I think they're like, gonna be seventies soon. They were just kinda like.

• 1:24:30Joe Rogan?

  Gangster.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  We don't give a fuck, man.

• 1:24:32Joe Rogan?

  Depends on where you grew up.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  I think that's what it was, man. They were just kinda like, you know, they're all just like, fuck that, you know, it's bullshit. No matter what it was, they were like, it's fucking bullshit.

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you grew up hard, you're not worried about a cough.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, they weren't. I, I remember I finally got it. I finally got it. And it actually, dude, it kinda like rocked me. The first day, I had talked so much shit. And I got it. I was like, bro, if I die, this is gonna suck so bad. It's like, but we got it. Me and my, my wife got it two days later. So then I had it, you know, we had a little kid. So I had to like, we just switched off. I kinda was like, recovered enough. So we were, our kid never got it.

• 1:25:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, kids, kids can go right through it. My, my, um, both of my kids got it and they just burned through it. One of them had it more, but she's like a little more sensitive. She, she was pretty sick for a couple of days. Not pretty, not like scary. Like she didn't feel good for a couple of days. The other one like barely had it. They like went right through her.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. The one didn't get it all. The one had like a runny nose. I was like in bed for three straight days, just like.

• 1:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Hurt.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Super fever, hurting.

• 1:25:30Joe Rogan?

  Were you taking any vitamins at the time?

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  No, at the time I wasn't living very healthily.

• 1:25:33Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:34Joe Rogan?

  I'm all over the vitamins. And I was all over the vitamins then. And my wife, back then, I don't think, not so much.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't think she did as much. So when I was around everybody that got it, it just never got to me.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I was forgot. And I, we had like, you know, relative newborn kinda situation going on and it was just like.

• 1:25:51Joe Rogan?

  That's a hard one. Your immune system's gonna be crushed anyway because you're getting zero sleep.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:57Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's like, ready to fall asleep at any given time. Watching TV.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  I've never recovered. I'm still ready to pass out. Like I can fall asleep. I go home and I'm, I'm fried. I take naps. That was a big thing for coffee. Now I can take naps during the day. I can't take naps when I drink coffee.

• 1:26:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I never take naps.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it, man. A little siesta.

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  The only time I ever take a nap is if I have to do something really early in the morning. So like if I do a set at night and I'm not home until like 12:30 and like maybe I have to get up at six for something.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  I'll take a little nap.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Just because for me, there's a balance of like, what is, what's more important? Getting things done, working out, or not getting into a deficit? And for me, it's not getting into a deficit. Cause when I, like if I do a podcast and I'm sleepy, I get so mad at myself. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, this is your one job.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Be awake and talk to people.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  Sleepy like a toddler, is it?

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow, that's cool. So how long are we in Indonesia for?

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  It is embarrassing. You're like, what the fuck, man?

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  It's the worst that I'm just drinking coffee and energy drinks and taking nicotine pouches and just trying to fire the brain up.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, then I, when I do that, my face just gets hot and I'm just anxious. It's like, that's why, especially for shows, like I try to travel. Like I leave, like on an early, early flight, get where I'm going and just take a big nap.

• 1:27:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  And then I wake up and go do the show.

• 1:27:17Joe Rogan?

  One thing that I started doing when I was on the road a lot was I would go in on Thursday if I had a show on Friday.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:23Joe Rogan?

  So I'd get in Thursday night, sleep, and then instead of flying in the day of the show, cause you're always a little foggy. You're, and you know, it's, it's hard to, and back then I wasn't on the nootropics as much. I wasn't like taking it with me on the road, you know, brain vitamins and shit, like Alpha Brain. But now I don't fuck around. I don't travel without that stuff.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, you do need, I, I do the day of. I, I can't help it. I just go early, nap. I did a show in Vegas last weekend that like, it didn't start till 10:00 PM Vegas time. So I got there, I was, it was brutal. I got there, took a nap, woke up at like 9:00 PM Vegas time. It was just like, ah, I felt like a bug.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  You know what my trick for that is? The moment you land, the moment you land, put your shit in your hotel room, go straight to the gym.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  Know if ands or buts about it, you gotta get a workout in. And gotta sweat, like really sweat. Just really get it going, do, do some pushups, whatever the fuck you wanna do, but just really sweat. And it feels like it resets your system.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  I can see that, that would wake you up and kinda calm you down.

• 1:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it it resets your system. Like whatever the fuck happens when you're on a plane, when you get off, you're just like.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Dude, I feel like I've been microwaved.

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We have been kinda.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty much. I feel, I smell weird.

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like an X-ray, you're getting an X-ray.

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  Ah, fuck.

• 1:28:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Trying not to, the other day I was like, maybe it's like, good for me somehow, I'm up here and it's like. It's just like constricting my blood vessels and they like.

• 1:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Turning into a superhero.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  Well, I like was in Denver and I ran, you know, recently, I was like running and working out in Denver and I was like. Probably altered now. I did like a thirty minute workout. I'm like, I'm probably totally different now.

• 1:29:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, I lived above Boulder for a while.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then I had a gig in Philly. So I was living up there for a couple of months. I was living at eighty-five hundred feet above sea level and I'd work out up there. And then when I'd go down to Boulder at fifty-five hundred, I had all this endurance. I was like, this is crazy.

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Oh, in Denver? Yeah, from Boulder to Denver, you're saying?

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  No, from where I was, I was in the mountains above Boulder and so I'd go down to Boulder.

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  Got you, got you, got you.

• 1:29:27Joe Rogan?

  And Boulder's like fifty-five, fifty-seven, whatever it is, but I was at eighty-five.

• 1:29:31Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, eighty-five hundred feet above sea level.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  So then I went, I did a gig in Philly and I went to the gym and I remember I called my friend, I'm like, dude, I feel like I could run through a fucking wall.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  Damn, I want that so bad.

• 1:29:42Joe Rogan?

  That's what, why a lot of athletes train, like they they go to Big Bear in California, they train up there.

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  Damn, I kinda, yeah, I I got, I got to do it for like just once and I was like, dude, this is awesome.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you can live at altitude and train at altitude and then go down to sea level, you feel like you have superpower.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Fuck, that's awesome.

• 1:29:59Joe Rogan?

  So a lot of endurance athletes, like that's why they put the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  That makes sense.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like training at altitude is a legit hack.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I I didn't, I didn't realize like, cause I've always wondered like, why is it so hard? And it's literally just the air thins and there's less oxygen.

• 1:30:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  It's that simple.

• 1:30:14Joe Rogan?

  And then your body has to adapt so you get more red blood cells.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  That's why they take EPO, that's what EPO does for you.

• 1:30:19Speaker 02

  Oh, you don't have to go to altitude.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, um, I think a lot of them do both, you know, they just go as hard as, but they push it to that. Like, how much before I get a stroke?

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 1:30:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm trying to win a gold medal. I'm trying to win the Tour de France.

• 1:30:35Speaker 02

  Dude, I just started, I started sprinting again, like.

• 1:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Sprinting?

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  Sprinting, just all out total sprints and just to like see where I was at. Cause I'm like, you know, cause I'm like, if I, I feel like if you just stop, I, you could feel that like, you know, age creeping a little bit and there's a lot, I think there's a lot of mental stuff to be like, ah, you know, man, it just fucking goes. But like, you know, if you're not like testing it, you know, how do you know? You're just not letting yourself go anyway. So I like, I was like doing it. I haven't been running like that in forever. And dude, like my fingertips would be numb. I would do a hundred, I would do, I would do a hundred meter sprints and I like can't feel my hands.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  And now I can.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  That's, I don't think that's good at all.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  I fixed it. And now I, I, cause you like grow new veins and shit. So I swear to God, that's true.

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  Are you a doctor?

• 1:31:15Speaker 02

  I don't know. I just, I have Crock, dude. We're all equal now. But dude, I, I remember being like, let me see where I'm at. And I was like, bro, you, you really do. You use it to lose it, man. And I can run now. I did it this morning. I can sprint now and like, I don't get numb. It's pretty awesome.

• 1:31:29Joe Rogan?

  How do you do it? Do you go to a track?

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  I have a track, yeah. I have a track near my house and I just fucking bolt early, super early in the morning. You feel amazing.

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  All day.

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  And so you just pick a certain amount of distance you're gonna run?

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'll do like someday, like today I did like two, three hundreds, two, two hundreds. And then like, we're supposed to do four one fifties. I got two and I was like, I'm tapped.

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  So you're done in like fifteen, twenty minutes?

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  You're at, you're done. You go there, I'm, I'm there at like six o'clock and I'm done in twenty minutes. And I'm, I'm, you feel like, um, it's like you were talking about, you run to a city and just get like an all out workout.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  You feel like, like you're walking on air for the rest of the day.

• 1:32:04Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense. There was a study recently about explosive exercise. And that, that's one of the things that's lacking in like older people. They get older, they stop doing any kind of explosive exercise, like sprinting.

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  And how beneficial that is for maintaining your health and your ability to move around.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm telling you, like I, I lived, that was like such a drastic thing, but I was like, damn, this is, my circulation's like going. Like I can't fucking run without my hands feeling all like pins in Italy.

• 1:32:29Joe Rogan?

  That's so weird.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  And it just, they came back. Now I can do it. My fingers feel fine.

• 1:32:33Joe Rogan?

  You're getting in shape.

• 1:32:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Cause that, that was the thing. Cardio is always like, cardio's dumb. Who cares? And then you're like, I learned. I think it just like you secrete growth hormone and then your veins and capillaries start like you get literally you get like new and wider veins.

• 1:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Makes sense.

• 1:32:48Speaker 02

  It's pretty cool.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  Makes sense. I mean, your heart is fucking pounding out of your chest.

• 1:32:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:52Joe Rogan?

  You're hitting a hundred and eighty beats per minute. It's like fucking forcing all that shit through.

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  Just clearing it out like, alright, let's, what are we holding on to right now?

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  But see, like, you never got fat, or you never got like really badly out of shape. When you see a guy like Jelly Roll, like, I have so much respect for that man.

• 1:33:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:11Joe Rogan?

  I have so much respect for that man. That dude lost three hundred pounds.

• 1:33:16Speaker 02

  Dude, how?

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  He lost three hundred pounds. No Ozempic, just stopped eating sugar.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  That was no Ozempic?

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  No Ozempic. He's, he took testosterone replacement, that's it.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  That's fucking sick. Sick. I just assumed, I was like, he's gotta be on Ozempic.

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  He started off just walking, man.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Just trying to walk. When he came here, we, last time we did a podcast, he ran, I forget, I think he ran six point two miles the day before. So they ran, like, he was deer hunting down in South Texas, and he was with my friend Cam Haynes, and they went on a run. They did six point two miles, they ran, and hills and shit.

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:52Joe Rogan?

  And then he came in here, uh, before the podcast, he ran two point six on the treadmill. So I was working out, and he was over there running and talking and laughing. Look how good he looks.

• 1:34:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:03Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that?

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  Fucking nuts.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. It's amazing. And we did the whole deal. We did the sauna afterwards. It was awesome.

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  How long, how long did he lose it? Three years?

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  Three years.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  God damn, that's crazy.

• 1:34:16Joe Rogan?

  And he did it the right way. He did it the hard way. Just working out and eating right. No sugar, no bullshit, eating clean food, and just slowly let his body drop.

• 1:34:28Speaker 02

  I mean, he's gotta feel, he's gotta feel awesome.

• 1:34:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's gotta be amazing.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  Damn. How'd you say that's doing, like, career-wise? If he has like a persona and he's known as like this, you know, I guess his fans.

• 1:34:38Joe Rogan?

  He's got an amazing voice.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:40Joe Rogan?

  I mean, the amazing voice is still amazing.

• 1:34:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, your voice changes with fluctuation with weight a little bit, yeah, I'm sure.

• 1:34:47Joe Rogan?

  How does it change?

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  I don't know. I've heard like if you're like an alto or something like that, and you're a certain, you're at a certain weight, it can change if you kind of, because this is your, you get your diaphragms, I guess, in your stomach.

• 1:34:56Joe Rogan?

  I know some dudes who lost a lot of weight and they didn't like the way they look when they were thin because their head was too big.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:02Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that weird?

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, your head gets big when you get heavier.

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, oh, it just grows. Yeah, it makes sense if it grows with your fucking body.

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  Significant weight loss can change a person's voice, often making it sound higher pitched, lighter, or clearer due to reduced fat accumulation around the larynx, throat, and chest. These physical changes decrease pressure on the vocal cords, improving breathing, resonance, and reducing the effort required to produce sound.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  So it makes you a better singer?

• 1:35:26Joe Rogan?

  But does it though, because like opera singers, aren't they all fat?

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:35:30Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if you have to be.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:35:32Joe Rogan?

  Are there any like really thin, like handsome opera singers? Yeah, I don't know about all fat. I think it's like a- I like to just generalize.

• 1:35:39Speaker 02

  I think it's like a-

• 1:35:40Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like a-

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  It's a cartoon.

• 1:35:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  I have the same thing. I'm like, yeah, I've seen that in cartoons as well.

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, oh, there's always this big fat jolly guy.

• 1:35:47Speaker 02

  Fat lady with Viking helmet.

• 1:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's always.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  But that sounds good, though. So your voice gets clearer, higher pitched.

• 1:35:52Joe Rogan?

  And it's not as much effort.

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Sounds like that's R&B legend status then. You can do high notes. Also, cat cardio. Like you'll have way more cardio.

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:00Joe Rogan?

  Your heart won't beat as fast. You'll be able to have more oxygen to sing.

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:36:04Joe Rogan?

  It's all good.

• 1:36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, his voice is amazing. And it's his songwriting, too. It's not just the voice. It's like what he's singing about. It's like, that's not gonna get worse.

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, and his fans, I have it like a weird thing in my head where like for comedy, I'm like, if I get too good of shape, people are gonna be like, fuck this guy.

• 1:36:21Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  Which, I don't know, that's not what's stopping me, but it's like, you always wonder about that. Like, I wonder if they'd be like, "Damn."

• 1:38:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:16Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:38:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, that is a weird thing. Like, I never go onstage with a t-shirt on.

• 1:38:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you're too jacked, yeah.

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like, I would never go onstage with a tank top on.

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  Tank would be... Tank might be kinda funny. Tank would be kinda funny.

• 1:38:29Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  That would be crazy.

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Rich Voss used to do that all the time. He always wore a tank top onstage. That makes perfect sense. Yeah, boss.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Character. Like Kid Rock style.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  I just saw... I just saw... Did you see the workout vid?

• 1:38:44Joe Rogan?

  No, what do you mean?

• 1:38:45Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:38:46Joe Rogan?

  You didn't see the Kid Rock... Robert Kennedy workout vid?

• 1:38:48Speaker 02

  Shut up.

• 1:38:49Joe Rogan?

  You didn't see this?

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:38:50Speaker 03

  You said he did it off social media, so he must've really got off social media.

• 1:38:53Joe Rogan?

  I'm off social media, dude.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  It is... It's very funny.

• 1:38:57Joe Rogan?

  I'm off social media, but apparently I'm not off the fucking news, which I think I have to be off now.

• 1:39:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:02Joe Rogan?

  Because I haven't been gone on social media, but I'll read the Apple News feed and the Google News feed, and I'm like, "Fuck!"

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  That's basically scrolling, too. I tried the same thing.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  I was reading about B-52s headed to some Air Force Base, nuclear-equipped B-52s. I'm like, "What are we doing?"

• 1:39:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:17Joe Rogan?

  So let me see this workout video. It's Kid Rock in, oh, Jesus Christ.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  Bro.

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this must be Kid Rock's house.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so, yeah.

• 1:39:24Joe Rogan?

  Rock out, workout.

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  RFK Junior works out in jeans.

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, look, he-

• 1:39:31Joe Rogan?

  He always works out in jeans, which is so crazy. Yeah, this is Kid Rock's house. Kid Rock has a fucking insane house that looks like the White House. He had, like, the outside of it looks like the White House. But the inside of it has two bedrooms. And it's like 25,000 square feet. It's an enormous house with two bedrooms. Yeah, it's all just party. He's got a huge, like, uh, hot tub room. Look at RFK Junior's fucking-

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  He's jacked, jacked, dude.

• 1:39:57Joe Rogan?

  It's awesome. For 70, on the air dine, look at him, doing pushups. These guys are doing the air dine in the sauna.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:40:04Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they go to his, like-

• 1:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Cold plunge with jeans on?

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  Cold plunge jeans, crazy, bro.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck are you doing? That is ridiculous. What's wrong with your legs? Now I need to know. Where's Kid? So this is his, uh, crazy room that looks like a mining, like, cavern.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  I've heard of his secret grotto.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  He's got like this, it's really cool. He's really into pickleball, too. He plays pickleball every morning.

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's-

• 1:40:28Joe Rogan?

  That's what he's telling me, he goes like, "Get up and play pickleball, 7 a.m.," "You're playing pickleball." He's like, "Dude, I fucking love-" That's what it looks like. Look at how dope that is. His house is so dope. Like, it's so, it's the fucking dopest house I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's awesome.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  And it's such a Kid Rock house. Like, the outside of it looks exactly like the White House.

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:40:46Joe Rogan?

  Just larger.

• 1:40:47Speaker 03

  I don't want you to be distracted from the whole milk they're drinking in the hot tub.

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  Oh, they're drinking raw milk. That's raw, bro.

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:53Speaker 03

  Um, can I bring your attention to something that's been happening on the internet since we've been live?

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:40:59Speaker 03

  Uh, President Trump was asked about Obama talking about the aliens. I got a video on the screen.

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 1:41:06Speaker 03

  I want to hear it myself.

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:08Speaker 05

  Barack Obama said that aliens are real. Have you seen any evidence of non-human visitors to Earth?

• 1:41:16Speaker 06

  Well, he gave classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that.

• 1:41:19Speaker 05

  So aliens are real?

• 1:41:21Speaker 06

  Well, I don't know if they're real or not. I can tell you, he gave classified information. He's not supposed to be doing that. He made a, he made a big mistake. He took it out of classified information. No, I don't, I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it. You believe it, Peter?

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  I will hit the president.

• 1:41:40Joe Rogan?

  I do now.

• 1:41:42Speaker 06

  I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  I may get him out of trouble by declassifying. That's hilarious.

• 1:41:51Speaker 03

  That was it. What's going around the internet these, uh, in those circles?

• 1:41:55Joe Rogan?

  I may get him out of trouble by declassifying. Jeez, I, I hope he does.

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, really.

• 1:42:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Imagine you can go to, you can get in trouble as a president for saying aliens are real?

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  I, I don't think so, man. I, I don't think he's gonna get in trouble for that.

• 1:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, what did he say then? What was that?

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  They've been saying there's aliens.

• 1:42:13Joe Rogan?

  Right, but what did he just say?

• 1:42:14Speaker 02

  He was just, he just hates Obama. He's going like, oh, he's going to jail. I'm getting Hillary and I'm getting Obama for aliens.

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  They all hate each other and then they all hang out and shake hands.

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Who's funeral was that? When like George Bush and them were handing out candy to each other? It was like George Bush and...

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, George Bush and Michelle Obama are apparently friends.

• 1:42:31Speaker 02

  Oh, they're buddies?

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:42:32Joe Rogan?

  Which everybody thought, but George Bush never engaged in like this insult kinda thing that Trump does.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 1:42:39Joe Rogan?

  It's a different thing.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's totally, no, that's totally true.

• 1:42:41Joe Rogan?

  He was always very classy.

• 1:42:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:44Speaker 02

  And especially when you see the videos of him back in the day, you like, now you're like, man, this guy's like lovable.

• 1:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, dude, in comparison to the politicians of today?

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying, yeah.

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  He was like, oh, when is he running again?

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  Class, that guy's a complete class act. And then you're like, oh yeah, fuck the Middle East, forgot about that, but it's like...

• 1:42:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, he had Satan on his side.

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, true.

• 1:43:02Joe Rogan?

  Dick Cheney was running around fucking shooting his friends in the face and hunting trips.

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  That's true. I don't know. I mean, that thing is like, did, it was a classified, there's like now, but then if Trump's gonna be like, that he gave out classified, then he's letting you know it's classified.

• 1:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:17Speaker 02

  And he's telling you the cat's out of the bag.

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's saying, I may declassify it. I hope he does. I hope this like gets him, cause that is a weird thing to say. He's not supposed to be saying that. Well, that means it's real. He gave out classified information. That means there's real data that aliens are real. That's the only thing you could draw as a conclusion from that statement.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would think.

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  I think, I don't think it's, I would try, like, try to come up with another reasonable way he would say, aliens are real, you shouldn't say that because it's classified.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  That means it's real.

• 1:43:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is, but that's like, that's such a crazy, if Trump was trying to keep it classified, you think he'd be like, I don't know what he's talking about.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know, dude.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  Being like, well, yeah, they are, but I can't say they are, and he's in trouble now.

• 1:44:00Joe Rogan?

  I told you, I've talked to Bob Lazar many times.

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:44:04Joe Rogan?

  And I had him on the podcast. I had dinner with him when Andrew Schultz, Schultz was in town, in LA. And I go, what are you doing tonight? And he goes, why, what's up? I go, you want to go have dinner with Bob Lazar? He's the guy that used to back engineer UFOs at Area 51. He goes, fuck, yes.

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:44:20Joe Rogan?

  Alright. So we went to Fogu de Chow in LA.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  And we sat down with Bob Lazar and just got to ask him all these questions. I've talked, I've known him for years now, so I've known him for probably, when I did the podcast with him, what year was that, Jamie? Twenty nineteen? Twenty nineteen. So I've known him for six, seven years now.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  Whatever, however it runs out, time-wise. And he's always had the same story. He's a very reasonable guy. You hang out with, I've had dinner with him a couple times. Super normal guy. Doesn't seem like a big fat liar. Obviously, a scientist. Like, obviously, like a very brilliant guy. Like, I don't know what to think. I, I, I keep searching for some bullshit. I keep searching for some thing. He never saw any aliens. He never saw anything. He just was back engineering these crafts that didn't make any sense. He's like, he, he got there, he saw it, the moment he saw it, it looked like that thing. That's what it's based on. That, that thing on the desk, that's the sport model.

• 1:45:20Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:45:21Joe Rogan?

  There's a guy named Designs by Perry, and the E in Perry is a three, and he makes these. You can buy them on the internet. He makes like a desk clock, or a desk lamp, rather.

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  So he'd have to like examine the like motor or whatever, the mechanisms of that and try to fix it?

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  They didn't even tell him what he was doing. So this is what it was. So he worked at Los Alamos, Los Alamos Labs in New Mexico. And he was a propulsion's expert. He had famously put a jet engine on the back of a Honda. Like, he built a Honda with a jet engine on it, just for funsies.

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  He was just a, just a genius.

• 1:45:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  He just loved engineering and doing things. And he Contacted this guy about getting some work, some, you know, work in laboratories or whatever. And he said, I might have something for you that is more along the lines with your capabilities. I'm gonna set up a meeting for you. So he sets up this meeting for him. He has no idea what the meeting is about. He has no idea what they're doing. They don't tell him. They just started asking him about his background, what he did at Los Alamos, what he's interested in, and he's like, just tells this whole story of science and this and that. And so they had already heard about him. So they go, okay. Show up at this place. There's airplanes that are gonna fly you out to where you're going.

• 1:46:39Joe Rogan?

  So he's like, okay. So no one even knew about these airplanes back then. Now it's been confirmed that there's a bunch of airplanes right outside of Mandalay Bay. You could see these airplanes that they fly the employees that work in Area 51 and they live in Las Vegas. They just fly them out there. But nobody knew about this in 1989, when he was talking about it, when he blew the whistle on it.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:59Joe Rogan?

  And so they fly him out there. They, you know, show him how everything works for a couple of days in terms of like how the base works and where you have access to, what you don't have access to. They bring him this guy that is his coworker that was there before, and then it was gonna go and show him the ropes. And then a couple of days in, they bring him into a hangar. And there's that thing. And it has an American flag sticker on it. And so he goes, oh, these are ours. He's like, oh my God, no wonder why people are seeing these things. This is something that we have. So then they tell him, essentially, tell us how it works. He's like, what is this, a test? Like what, like they're very vague about everything.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  No one's telling him where it came from. No one's telling him anything. And then he realizes like the whole thing doesn't make sense because there's no welds, there's no seams. It's like it's 3D printed and you have to crawl in it because it's designed for people that are like three feet tall. And there's no controls in it. He's like, what is this? And there's this generator in the center of it that has this triangle piece of this element that doesn't even exist on Earth. This element 115. He's like, wait, what the fuck is going on? And they explained to him, you bombard this element with radiation. This is how this thing works. You put this dome on it, gets bombarded with radiation,

• 1:48:24Joe Rogan?

  and then that causes this field around this craft that allows you to move around. And so they do a demonstration for him. He goes outside, they fly this thing. When he's under it, he can't see it. He has to step away from where he is before, so he can see it again. He's like, what the fuck is this thing? It's not making any noise. It moves around. It gives off this like glowing light when whatever that, whatever this generator inside of it is, is operational. It gives off this blue glowing light. And this thing was like silently flying around. And occasionally, it would go from one point to another very quickly. Like it could go from like this part of the mountain, to that part of the mountain, just appear there.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  And it would look like it just disappeared because it would move so fast. It would just appear in a new place, it seemed like.

• 1:49:15Speaker 02

  What was steering the thing?

• 1:49:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand it, and he didn't understand it either. They, they don't exactly know. He knows how supposedly this generator, there's these gravity beam projectors that are on the bottom of it. And the way you get it to fly fast, it would turn sideways. And then it would point these gravity projectors, or whatever they called it, into a certain direction. It would create this, this void around this craft. And it would just instantaneously go to wherever it was supposed to go.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Right, and so he's working on this for, you know, months and months, and then his wife starts having an affair on him. Because he doesn't tell her what he's doing. It's like super top secret. And so when you have this super top secret clearance, you can't tell anybody what you're doing. So he's like, I gotta go to work. She's like, it's eleven o'clock at night. Where are you going? He's like, I have to go to work. So he would just jet off and she was like, well, I'm gonna go fuck my flight attendant. Or my flight instructor. So this is all recorded because they're tapping his phones. And so they they suspend him because they're wondering if he's going to be emotionally unstable.

• 1:50:28Joe Rogan?

  So while he's suspended, he takes his friends. He's like, I gotta tell people about this. Like, I can't even work. Something's going on. I gotta tell these people like, hey. Every Wednesday, I have the schedule. Every Wednesday, they fly these fucking things. And the reason why they do it on Wednesday is guess what? That's when there's the least amount of traffic on the roads. So he takes his wife and he takes a couple of friends and he takes them up to see this thing. And they go once and then they go twice and then they get caught.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:50:53Joe Rogan?

  And then when they get caught, then they grill him, they scare him, they're poking him in the chest with a gun and they're freaking him out. And then they tell him about his wife and the affair and all this shit. And so then he goes public and so he gets in hold of this guy George Knapp, who's a news reporter in Las Vegas. And he tells him the story and the first initially they black his face out and, you know, like so he could remain anonymous. He's like, look, the only way I could stay alive, you have to show my face. Cause they're threatening him. They broke into his house. He goes outside, goes to the gym, goes outside. His trunk is open, his hood is open, all his doors are open. The car was locked. No one broke into it. So he has no idea. They're fucking with him. And he's really worried. Someone shoots his tire out on the highway.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  Where is he now?

• 1:51:37Joe Rogan?

  He's.

• 1:51:38Speaker 02

  Just chilling?

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's. I don't know if I'm supposed to say where he lives.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Oh, whatever, but he's like around.

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, he's around. I mean, this is a long time ago. It was a long time ago. And, you know, he was kind of discredited. They tried to discredit him. They said he'd never worked at Los Alamos Labs, but then someone got a hold of the employee roster from the time that he was working there and his name's listed there. So someone who worked there at the time said, I have the employee roster from, you know, nineteen eighty-five or whatever it was. And he says like, sure, right here. And they go through the roster and says, right there, Robert Lazar. And there's also a newspaper article that was printed about him being a physicist at Los Alamos Labs and that he had made this crazy jet engine powered Honda. And so there's him with the Honda and he's listed in this lab that he's a physicist at this lab.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  Dude, that's, that shit's so weird.

• 1:52:24Joe Rogan?

  So, and then what that guy just said?

• 1:52:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  What Trump just said?

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  He's not supposed to say that. It's classified, like. Yeah.

• 1:52:30Joe Rogan?

  What? Why don't you fucking tell us?

• 1:52:33Speaker 02

  Well, I always wonder if they're gonna try to do like a Space Force thing where it's like WMD's in the Middle East, we go to the Middle East, now they're going like, yeah, I think there are aliens. And it's like, now we get to do like Space Force shit.

• 1:52:44Joe Rogan?

  I, I think if there are aliens, you can't do shit to them.

• 1:52:47Speaker 02

  I know, but it's also like, if you wanna erect some weird defense thing in outer space so we can spy on China, it's like, yeah. I, I think there's probably are aliens for, by the way, it's like there's, I would imagine there's something.

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine there's something.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  Cause the government, whenever they start floating out things, like I always, I assume there's like an agenda. I'm like, alright, what are they doing?

• 1:53:04Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:53:04Speaker 02

  Cause they just dropped aliens on us out of nowhere and everyone was kinda like, okay.

• 1:53:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, it really started around two thousand seventeen. That's when it started to become legitimized, because that was when the New York Times printed this article about it. And they talked about these pilots and their experiences and these videos that they couldn't explain because these crafts had no heat signature and they were flying in ridiculous speeds over the ocean.

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I remember them just coming out with it and then like just, and then they started doing the UAP thing and all that stuff and they're like, yeah, there's unidentified crafts and, you know, blah, blah, blah. So I'm always kinda like, what are they up to?

• 1:53:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  The hell are these guys up to?

• 1:53:39Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to know what's real and what's not real, but when you start talking to pilots and people that have experienced certain things. You know, you just go, wow, what is this guy saying?

• 1:53:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I, again, I don't deny it. I'm always kinda like, yeah, you probably did see that stuff, but it's like, I don't know, you know, it's like.

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  Why is it classified?

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  It's gotta be mil- I would imagine it's military stuff where they're like, we wanna use it for, we wanna reverse engineer and use it for our military. If this gets into another military's hands, blah, blah, blah. But then they're all spying on each other, so I would imagine they would know too.

• 1:54:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, the people that I've talked to said that Russia and China both have retrieved crashes.

• 1:54:16Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not just America that has them. It's other countries that have them too.

• 1:54:19Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Supposedly. This is the big story.

• 1:54:22Speaker 02

  Supposedly?

• 1:54:23Joe Rogan?

  There's a one that's so big that they can't move it, so they built a building around it. And that's supposed to be in Korea.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:54:31Joe Rogan?

  Supposedly. That's why I heard it's in Korea. But yeah, this is the lore, that this thing is so big that they couldn't move it, that they had to put a building around it.

• 1:54:40Speaker 02

  Dude, that's, that's wild. That'll be the, the thing I always think about, if they come out and say, yeah, there's definitely aliens, like, what do people do?

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. This is the building supposedly?

• 1:54:50Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:54:50Joe Rogan?

  A giant building in South Korea is often sighted as a potential UFO storage facility. Imagine if they just built it the shape of a UFO?

• 1:55:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, kinda looks like it, honestly.

• 1:55:01Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  Dude, do a square building.

• 1:55:03Joe Rogan?

  What's in that fucking building?

• 1:55:06Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if that's real?

• 1:55:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, what is this, why, why are they, uh, why do they think this?

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, I would imagine that place would have to be heavily guarded.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  It was just a gate? Who's that guy? Eric Burlison insisted on the existence of aliens, but admitted he has no definitive proof.

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:55:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was talking in that video, I showed you the guy who said he was gonna go look at these places.

• 1:55:31Joe Rogan?

  He was gonna go look in Korea?

• 1:55:32Speaker 03

  Uh, he mentioned he was gonna go look at the underground one. He didn't say where it was.

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is the congressman. Congressman's claimed. So, scroll, scroll down there, a little lower. So here it is. US Congressman has claimed classified facility housing a UFO is hiding in plain sight. Well, that's kinda hiding in plain sight. They literally made a little antenna on the top, just like this sport model. Look at this sport model. It has that antenna on the top. I don't know what to believe, man, but I know I wanna believe. Two hundred and seventy feet in diameter, holy shit.

• 1:56:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fucking, that's insane. Yeah, especially now with all the deep fake stuff that's gonna come out, like the next election will be in like deep fake territory, everyone will be like, you were on the Epstein list, you were on it, no, you were. I'm like, I'm just, you know.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  You could have people saying all kinds of things that they've never said.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Or being like, I didn't do that.

• 1:56:19Joe Rogan?

  Hanging out with people they never hung out, I mean, there was all these photos that were fake of Epstein with a bunch of different people.

• 1:56:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. No, there was, there was a completely fake videos people were sharing.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  It's like, you know, so I don't know, by that time, it's like. I've been trying to just pull back completely from like the news and I'm like, you know.

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Hey, what is the official story of the Colbert show? Where they had to air that Talarico interview on YouTube? Because I'm hearing two versions. I'm hearing one version is that CBS wouldn't let them air it. Because like Trump was involved, the government was involved somehow or another, because they're worried about this Talarico guy, he's this very charismatic guy in Texas that I really like. Very nice guy, I'm on the show. And Brian Simpson told me about him. And then the other thing that I'm hearing is no, with FCC equal time rules. If he had Talarico on, he would also have to have Talarico's opponent, which is I think Jasmine Crockett. Is that true?

• 1:57:18Speaker 02

  I didn't even know.

• 1:57:19Joe Rogan?

  Whoever his opponent is.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  So I think there's rules like that for the FCC that don't exist for podcasts. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they have to balance it.

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like if you have this person on that's running for office, you also have to have someone that is opposing them.

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:57:34Joe Rogan?

  They have to have equal time.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  I didn't know they had that.

• 1:57:36Joe Rogan?

  Is that true?

• 1:57:37Speaker 02

  So he was on, was he was on Colbert, who show was he on?

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Stephen Colbert Show.

• 1:57:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:57:43Joe Rogan?

  And so they were framing it like it was, uh, the government was censoring this guy because they're worried, and he was saying they're worried that they're gonna flip Texas. That's what he was saying. I don't know if that's true, though. Because I, I'm.

• 1:57:59Speaker 03

  So it's the diff- honestly, this sounds like it's Colbert saying one thing, CBS lawyers are saying a different thing.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay. What are CBS lawyers saying?

• 1:58:07Speaker 03

  They're saying that it's FCC thing. Colbert says, quote, here, "They know damn well every word of my script was approved by CBS lawyers, who for the record approve every script that goes on the air."

• 1:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's not about the script. It's about the humans, the people that are on. If the people are, yeah, here it is. "The show provided legal guidance that the broadcasts could trigger the FCC equal time rule for two other candidates, including Rep. Jasmine Crockett, and presented options for how equal time for other candidates could be fulfilled. So you would have to have equal time." Colbert scoffed at this statement during Tuesday's show. "They know damn well every word of my script," but it doesn't have anything to do with the script. Said, "They know damn well that every word of my script last night was approved by CBS lawyers, who for the record approved every script that goes on the air." Well, that's just diverting because that's not what the subject is.

• 1:59:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay. "I got called backstage to get more notes from these lawyers, something that had never, ever happened before. They told us the language they wanted me to use to describe that equal time exception, and I used that language," Colbert said. "So I don't know what this is about." He went on to say he wasn't mad at the network and does not want an adversarial relationship. Well, he's on his way out anyway.

• 1:59:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I thought, I didn't know he still was doing a show.

• 1:59:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's doing it, I think, until like April or May or something. "Come on, you're paramount. No, no, no, you're more than that. You're paramount plus," he cracked. "And for the lawyers to release this statement without even talking to me is really surprising." "The host also noted there's been a long, very famous exception to the equal time rule, and that exception included talk shows, interviews with politicians." Oh, interesting. So that makes it interesting. "We looked, we couldn't find one example of this rule being enforced for any talk show interview, not only for my entire late night career, but for anyone's late night career, going back to the 1960s," he said. Colbert said that Carr has not gotten rid of that exemption, exception for a talk show host yet.

• 2:00:12Joe Rogan?

  Maybe CBS was worried that this is a rule and that the government could crack down on them, although no one has ever done that in the past. So this is a different kind of government, right? Obviously, it's a very adversarial relationship CBS, or at least The Colbert Show has already with Trump.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are they worried about? Who is, who is, what a party is Talarico?

• 2:00:40Joe Rogan?

  He's a Democrat.

• 2:00:41Speaker 02

  Democrat and Crockett, what's Crockett?

• 2:00:43Joe Rogan?

  She's a Democrat as well.

• 2:00:43Speaker 02

  She's a Democrat too. So what is like, oh, they're running against each other.

• 2:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 2:00:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, Talarico is a white guy?

• 2:00:50Joe Rogan?

  He's a guy, his story is very interesting. He was a school teacher. And his story was that he had this kid that was very troubled in his class, but the kid was receiving counseling and he was starting to get better. Then budgets got cut, and when budgets got cut, they cut off the counseling, and this kid started fucking off and, you know, acting out and really falling apart. And he wound up getting kicked out of school. And it really hurt him because he was like, this kid had like real potential, and he is a teacher, you know?

• 2:01:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:17Joe Rogan?

  And so then he decided to run for office and to try to remedy these problems.

• 2:01:22Speaker 02

  Got you. So didn't he just get like jammed up with something now? Or like they were, someone claimed they were in his office and that he said something kind of like disparaging about like a black guy?

• 2:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Talarico?

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  He's a very mild mannered looking guy, right?

• 2:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  There was, I don't know if I'm getting my politicians.

• 2:01:38Joe Rogan?

  See, man, when people are running against people, stories start to fly in.

• 2:01:43Speaker 02

  But there was, it was about another politician. All he said was like, I didn't know I was going up against, you know, this like, I don't know, I guess like whatever word he used, like electrifying black, I thought I was going up against a mediocre black guy. That was, he apparently, some lady claimed that he called Colin Allred a mediocre black man.

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Faced allegations that he referred to his opponent Colin Allred as a mediocre black man during a private conversation with an influencer. An influencer?

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  A comment Rep. Talarico has denied. The allegation caused significant backlash with Allred calling for supporters to vote for another candidate, Jasmine Crockett.

• 2:02:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, so it's like.

• 2:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a way to. Get people to not vote for that guy.

• 2:02:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, kinda sucks.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  An influencer said it?

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  An influencer was like, I worked in his campaign and he was like, if I known I was going up against this strong black woman, I wouldn't have known. I thought I was running against a mediocre black man. And then the guy responded being like, nothing about me is mediocre, you know, they kinda had it.

• 2:02:40Speaker 03

  Into what the penalty is for the equal time rule? And I don't really see one.

• 2:02:45Speaker 02

  Poor Talarico's having a tough time, especially if it sounds like he's a sweet guy, who's like trying to help kids out and there's, you know.

• 2:02:50Joe Rogan?

  His name's too close to the guy that killed Epstein.

• 2:02:54Speaker 02

  What was his name?

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  I keep fucking him up. Taglioni, Talarico.

• 2:03:00Speaker 02

  There was, yeah, that's.

• 2:03:01Joe Rogan?

  I keep confusing them. When I say the killer's name, that cop, I keep saying, I think his name is Tagli, no, Talarico, no, shit.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  It's gonna catch up to him. He's like, I think this guy killed Epstein, actually.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like, an influencer said, like, why does that mean?

• 2:03:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, look, yeah, it's pretty genius, though. If you wanna do dirty politics, you can just be like.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  But what if he said, I was going, I thought I was going up against this mediocre guy, and now I'm going up against this powerful black lady?

• 2:03:31Speaker 02

  That's, it's not a bad, but then he didn't, he was like, you know, I'd be like, that makes sense.

• 2:03:35Joe Rogan?

  He is a black man, so if you're saying mediocre guy, and it happens to be a black man, and then that person says, he said mediocre black man, like.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not, it's not even that bad of a thing to say.

• 2:03:46Joe Rogan?

  All we'd have to do is just not say the black part, and he'd be like, oh, he's just talking about a politician. The guy's mediocre.

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Happens to be black, but he's mediocre. But as soon as you describe him accurately.

• 2:03:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're just, you're fried.

• 2:03:58Joe Rogan?

  You're fried.

• 2:03:58Speaker 02

  Especially if you're a damn man. If you're damn, you cannot be going.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:04:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:02Joe Rogan?

  He's a religious guy, too, which is interesting, but also opposes putting the Ten Commandments in schools.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he said, I think it's gonna push people away from Christianity. He had a very well thought out point about it.

• 2:04:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:16Joe Rogan?

  We had a really good conversation.

• 2:04:16Speaker 02

  Also, you don't need to be in school and be like, thou shall not commit adultery. It's like, yeah, dude, they're not gonna fuck your wife like.

• 2:04:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not that. It's you're pushing this religious, these religious rules on people, and it's one religion. It's like, what about people that are Buddhists? What about people that are Muslims? What about people that are Mormons? What about? You can go down the list forever and ever and ever, Hindus, like, what do you, come on.

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's also, you can, you know, you, you can kind of summarize it up and like, just be nice, you know. I, I, I worked in high school for a while. I was a counselor.

• 2:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:04:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like a, I, I went to school for social work for a while.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  So like, what kind of counseling would you do?

• 2:04:50Speaker 02

  Just like therapy. I would, there was, it was, it was a really cool, the way they did it was like, it was, you know, it was a charter school. And I was there as an intern, so I was, I was getting my masters in social work. So they would have interns there as therapists for the school kids, basically. So that the kids could get free therapy at school if they're exhibiting kind of problems or whatever.

• 2:05:08Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  So it was like, I worked at a, like, it was like an inner-city school in Philly, and I would just go there and chill in an office. And they were just like, I'd have to get kids from class, and they would just come, we would like talk a couple of times a week. And then you could bring their family in, if they, if they're like, if they had problems at home, you could be like, alright, let's call the mom and dad.

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  This is what this guy was talking about. This is what Talarico was talking about, what they cut funding for.

• 2:05:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a shame, because this, this school was like, they kind of like ran it themselves. I guess they were getting funded by the, uh, state. But they, the way they got around it was just using interns. So it wasn't like, you know, you're not getting like the most experienced people in the world.

• 2:05:38Joe Rogan?

  But you're getting some help.

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Getting something, man, you know, so.

• 2:05:41Joe Rogan?

  This kid that he was talking about, he had this very detailed story about this kid, who was like a good kid, just came from a fucked up house.

• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:05:48Joe Rogan?

  And he wanted, and these people around him were the only positive influences that he had ever had, and he was starting to get better.

• 2:05:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:55Joe Rogan?

  And then they took it away, and he starts falling apart.

• 2:05:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it, dude, it's also like, you don't, you forget, like, you know, because it's like, for kids, when you like, especially you're like in a city, and kids are telling you like their lives, it's like, it's fucking heartbreaking.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 2:06:09Speaker 02

  Like their day-to-day setup, you'd be like, fucking Christ, man. And then they're just looking at you like, what do I do? And I'm like, you gotta hang in there. There's nothing I, there's, there's literally nothing I can tell you to do. You just gotta hang in there.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:06:20Speaker 02

  It was sad, but it was, it was one of like my favorite, if I didn't do stand-up, I would probably do that for a job.

• 2:06:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:25Speaker 02

  I loved it. It was fun.

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  That's, well, it sounds very rewarding, right? You're, you're actually helping people.

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you have to, it's just like intense. You're just sitting there in a room with somebody, and it's like, everything they're saying, there's no like guidance. You have to just be like, alright, well, like, maybe this, maybe that, and it's like a, I don't know, I felt really, I always liked it a lot. It was pretty cool. But then you would like... You go back to the school and I, I, it's so funny. I went to social work school just because I was doing stand up. I was kinda kicking around. I was like, yeah, I was doing the podcast, but it was like slow going. And I remember watching Jordan Peterson be like, "The schools are crazy right now." And part of me, like, I always, I wanted to be a therapist, but I remember being like, kinda curious, like, I wonder how bad they are. And I went to school, I went to my master's program in social work, which was like ground zero for all like the stuff he was talking about. And he was, dude, it was, it was literally like worse than he made it out to be. What was it like?

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  It was insane, dude. It was literally like, you know, I went to school, again, to be a therapist, but like, social work. You can be a therapist faster than if you go to school for psychology, cause you just like, don't need any of the science, really. You just study kinda like the theory and, you know, whatever. So you can be a therapist quicker. It's like a shortcut, kind of. But it would be like, it was just, you'd be in a room with like thirteen other people and they would like, you know, you, you'd talk about, whatever it'd be, like, let's, let's talk about like clinical approaches here and there, and it would just right away turn into like, race, gender, who's the most oppressed, do this. And it was just like, people would tell stories, like, one time this guy said this to me, and everyone was like, I can't believe that fucking guy said that. It, it was literally like, nothing. You paid sixty grand, it was like, like, I would be terrified if I was getting therapy.

• 2:07:57Speaker 02

  And again, it's like, not everybody, but there's a lot of very unh- people would cry in class. So you'd be like talking and like, people would just start bursting out in tears, like, "I don't feel safe, oh, uh." It was insane. And I'm like, dude, you're gonna be talking to people who are like homeless? How are you gonna help them? Oh my god. And it was all female. It was mostly female dominated. It was like me and three or four other guys. And then like, people would come in, cause you'd bring your case files in and be like, "Here's something I'm dealing with, let me get some, you know, what do you think about this?" I remember this guy was dealing with this like Vietnam vet who like, you know, had like, lived in Philly his whole life. And he was like, I was just shocked the way he talked about women. And it's like, bro, you're Dirty Mac and your client, dude, for these chicks. I'm like, come on, man. It was just kinda weird. It was like, dude, you know, he's a fucking seventy year old dude. He's lived in Philly his whole life.

• 2:08:42Joe Rogan?

  In a tunnel somewhere.

• 2:08:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he was like, he was just very crude about women. It's like, come on, man, of course this guy is.

• 2:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  Don't throw him under the fucking bus. You're supposed to be helping. That was my whole point. It was like, if you're doing therapy with people, it's like, you know, life is just so hard and so complex. And if you're gonna be like, this doesn't sit with my party politics. I was like, you guys gotta drop the political shit, man, and just like meet these people where they're at.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  There's so many guys out there that just want brownie points.

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  That's what I, and dude,

• 2:09:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:08Speaker 02

  He's exactly what it was. I was like, dude, I know what you're doing right now. You're dirty macking this guy. So you can be like, personally, I was offended. I'm like, dude.

• 2:09:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those guys are the worst.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I could, I couldn't stand it at all.

• 2:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Those guys are the worst.

• 2:09:21Speaker 02

  Then they tried to kick me out of the school.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  For what?

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  Cause when Shane got in trouble for SNL, my name popped up in the byline. Cause I, they had no clue. I had, it was like a double life. I would do, I would go to social work school. Cause I just took out loans. I'm like, we'll just see what, you know, if the podcast works, I'll just pay off the loans. If it doesn't, I'll have a degree. And, uh, so I had been, it had been pretty contentious because my plan was like, dude, just go, keep it cool. Don't say anything. And then dude, you be in these classrooms and like, I remember the one time, this lady, and they're all like young, they right out of college. They come out and they'd be like, well, and I believe this is like unprompted. She was like, well, if, she was like, I would never personally call the cops on a black person, ever. And I'm just sitting in the back of the room and I'm like, what, no one's gonna say this is the craziest thing. And I'm like, what if he was beating a woman?

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  And she was like, I mean, like, uh, and like, it was just that non-fucking stop. And I, I couldn't help it. So I would start saying stuff. The room would go into chaos. So like, I, I literally couldn't bite my tongue. And, uh, and then eventually they found, once they, they already kind of had it out for me. And once that news came out about the podcast, they were like, we got him dead to rights. So then they, they like the student council, like they, all them, they didn't like me at all. They all kind of did a motion to get me kicked out. And, uh, so the teacher came or like, you know, the dean or whatever, who actually was nice. I liked her a lot. She like, I had a meeting with her and she was like, yeah, these people feel unsafe, blah, blah, blah. So I had, I had to do, and it was like unsafe or they just don't, you know, they don't like what they're hearing. But like,

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  they, I had a meeting with like the board, basically, which you ever like fantasize about getting like defending yourself in court?

• 2:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  I got to do that and I got to have like a, you know, we got to like debate about whether or not I actually violated the code of ethics. And it was like, kind of this gray area. So it was like, it was awesome. I recorded it on my phone. It's like an hour long. It's I never listened to it again, but it was like, cause I was like, just in case they jam me up. The lady was like, you know, like if what would you do if we kicked you out? And I was like, dude, like, I'll I'll make the most of that for sure. Like, I wouldn't want to do it, but I'd I would just see you guys, man. Like, you can't kick me out. I'm already like invested. I, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then COVID happened. So like they were just hushed it all. I just got to finish online class. Yeah, they tried to give me the boot and I remember the day.

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  Did they have a specific thing they were upset about? Was it your association with Shane?

• 2:11:38Speaker 02

  It was just that clip, that Chinatown clip came out. And they just saw us like, I'm sure they like looked into other stuff, but they were like, this is he's making this place unsafe. We're not safe here. And I was like, shut up.

• 2:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, podcasters and academia.

• 2:11:50Speaker 02

  It was, dude, it was.

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Academia, that does not go together.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Also, dude, like, I thought, like, having a master's, I was gonna be around geniuses. It's like, they're not that smart. You go to a place with masters and PhDs, half of them don't even like read anything. You talk about a book, they're like, I never heard of that. And then they'd show you like Netflix. Like, bro, I'm paying 60 grand for this. You're hitting me with a Netflix doc? It's like, I, this is eight bucks a month.

• 2:12:12Joe Rogan?

  They were showing you Netflix docs in class?

• 2:12:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was, we watched the Netflix doc. One of the classes, we watched like the 13th amendment. And I was like, I saw this already. What the fuck, man? Like, it's the, that, that like, I mean, I remember thinking like, damn, everyone was on Peterson's ass about this. He was totally right. Liberal liberal arts colleges were like, it was, it, I couldn't have thought of a bigger waste of money in terms of like bang for buck. And like, what did I actually learn?

• 2:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, I remember when we were talking about all the madness that was going on in schools and people like, why do you care about this? This is happening in college. I'm like, they're gonna eventually graduate and they're gonna have this ideology and they're gonna get into corporations. They're gonna get into business. They're gonna, they're gonna carry this with them and try to enforce these crazy rules.

• 2:12:56Speaker 02

  Or you know, somebody like your kids having problems and you go to a therapist and they're this like psycho. Like, there was, we were talking about modalities of therapy. One of them, someone floated and the teacher was like, oh yeah, for sure. It was called like, it was, I don't know what it was called. It was like activism therapy, where you get people politically active in orders to like motivate them and enrich their lives. And I was like, can't do that. Can't take like a confused, existentially adrift person and be like, this is what you need to do. I swear to God, dude, it was, there was, there was like really creepy stuff going on there. And it was all just like, complete group think, you couldn't, like, if you said anything outside of like, what was acceptable, you would just get punished, the teachers would kind of even like, some of them would try to like scold you or be like, yeah, okay dude.

• 2:13:38Speaker 02

  And it's like, it's, it's a lot, it would, I could see it why it would just break people. Cause I would like, my heart would be beating, I don't really like conflict like that.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:46Speaker 02

  But it was also like, dude, some of the stuff, you're like, I can't not say anything, this is insane, dude.

• 2:13:50Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever talk about this on stage?

• 2:13:52Speaker 02

  No, I've never really talked about being in social work.

• 2:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, it's like, there's gold in them Dar Hills.

• 2:13:58Speaker 02

  True, it was fun, at that time of the podcast, I would leave school, I would, and I'd come back to the podcast, like, bro, you won't believe what the fuck these people are saying.

• 2:14:05Joe Rogan?

  You say it on the podcast? Oh, that's awesome. It just seems like it's a great gold mine for stand-up.

• 2:14:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, cause you have a very unique experience.

• 2:14:14Speaker 02

  True.

• 2:14:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, as a window into how crazy people are in school.

• 2:14:19Speaker 02

  Hmm, yeah, no, it was, it was terrifying, man. And then the weirdest part is like, after years went by, they were like, do you want to get your PhD here? I was like, no.

• 2:14:29Joe Rogan?

  After COVID?

• 2:14:30Speaker 02

  After COVID, after it all.

• 2:14:32Joe Rogan?

  They just wanted your money.

• 2:14:33Speaker 02

  Exactly, that's, I saw that, and I was like, nah, get the hell out of here.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  It would be nice to be calling yourself Dr. Matt, though.

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  Bro, don't think I didn't think about it.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  Come on, dog, come on, dog.

• 2:14:41Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:14:42Joe Rogan?

  That just shows you how many kooky doctors there are out there.

• 2:14:45Speaker 02

  That really opened my eyes, I thought doctors were like the smartest people in the world. And I went to like higher education, I'm like, this is fucking insane.

• 2:14:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:52Speaker 02

  Anyone could, you could be a doctor, dude. Anyone could be, I mean, obviously, like, anyone could be a fucking doctor.

• 2:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Especially about some subjects, right?

• 2:14:58Speaker 02

  Exactly, that's the thing, not like, honestly.

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  Not hard sciences.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  Not hard science, if you want to, if you want to be a doctor, you could go for like anthropology, whatever.

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:06Speaker 02

  No problem, dude.

• 2:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  And they can't say shit, like, you can make, you can like make your thesis on anything and be like, excuse me?

• 2:15:13Joe Rogan?

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• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, did you ever see what Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay and Ellen Pluckrose did? You know what they did?

• 2:17:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  They, they made these fake academic papers.

• 2:17:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.

• 2:17:34Joe Rogan?

  Like heteronormative, something in dog parks. They were talking about like gay experiences with dogs have. And it was like a peer reviewed paper. Fat bodybuilding was one of them. Yeah, and, and these, they were like celebrated. These papers were celebrated.

• 2:17:50Speaker 02

  Dude, it would go a hundred percent with the, the theory, like the critical race theory and all that stuff you cover. When you get into it, you're like, it, it was, and I remember like saying this, it was very, like, it reminded me, because I'd been outside of Walmart, someone handed me like a pamphlet and it was like white supremacy literature. When you read that stuff, you read the first two sentences, you go, okay, that sounds legit. And then it just, there's this like huge quantum leap in reasoning. You're like, whoa, how the fuck did we get here? A lot of that's very similar where it'll make a thing like you just, no one can disagree with.

• 2:18:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  And then it jumps real quick and you're like.

• 2:18:20Joe Rogan?

  Just complete group think.

• 2:18:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:22Speaker 02

  But it was, that was scary to be like, damn dude, these people are gonna be like, these people are therapists working with kids, older people, you know, this and that, you know? And it was just like, I was like, how this, how was this a people supposedly like, you know, guiding people through life or like taking people who are lost or suffering and being, you know, I don't know. It was, it was kind of rough.

• 2:18:40Joe Rogan?

  Oof.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Because the animus against a person who like, thought differently, it was palpable and like, very severe. To where it was like, dude, and the funniest part was like, I was, again, I was in that high school in the inner city. The, the school was like ninety-seven percent black, the rest Latino. And they were like, how would your students feel about your podcast material? I'm like, they don't give a fuck. They would laugh. Like they have bigger fish to fry than being like, what did you say on a podcast? It's like, they're like high schoolers in Philly fighting for their lives.

• 2:19:10Joe Rogan?

  How would your students feel?

• 2:19:11Speaker 02

  That was the big disconnect. I'm like, you guys have like, I don't know, man, like they, they would even teach you, this would crack me up. I was like, thinking about this the other day, where they, they would tell you, if you had a client and, you know, say your client was black and that, you know, I'm a white guy. I should lead by going like, how do you feel about the fact that I'm white and you're black?

• 2:19:31Speaker 02

  I was like, dude, you guys realize you're in a classroom studying how to talk to a black person? I'm like, that's fucking weird. I was like, just talk to, like, you can just talk to them, man, and if that comes up, you can tackle it. But like, you're uncomfortable, and then you're going like, so, black person, how do you feel that I'm white? It's like, dude, that is, and they would push back against me. I'm like, no, no, no, you guys can't do that. That's crazy.

• 2:19:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were actually applying it in the real world. They were just exhibiting, they were just hanging out in these circle jerks.

• 2:19:58Speaker 02

  Exactly, and a lot of them would be like, you know, I'm social justice, blah, blah, blah, and they go, all right, where's your field placement? That was like your, you know, um, that was like your internship, and they're like, oh, I'm out on like, the ma- the main line's like a really nice area in Philly. It's like, ah, I'm doing like a high school on the main line. It's like, okay, dude, it's like, you know, it's like, take that act somewhere else, and it's like, those kids don't want to hear any of this shit, like, at all, and I would like you to talk to them, like, if race comes up, I would talk to them, but like, you, that would have been so crazy to take a, a black eighth grader and being like, I'm white, how do you feel about that? That, that would be so creepy and weird.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it crazy that they think you're obligated to bring that up? You have an obligation to discuss it?

• 2:20:36Speaker 02

  Also, it's like, they fucking know. They can see me. I'm clearly white. They know I'm white, and it's like, exactly, it's like, and if that, you talk, talk, talk, talk, and then you can like, bring it up, because it's a thing, but it's like, leading with that, I always be like-

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  The least of their problems.

• 2:20:51Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:20:52Joe Rogan?

  They're just probably happy someone takes an interest in them and is kind to them.

• 2:20:55Speaker 02

  Dude, and that was a big thing too, of like, you know, because they, you get them out of class, and a lot of them, they'd be like, I'm fucking talking to this guy, so like, whatever, and I would just chill and be like, you can just do your homework, and then you just start helping them with their homework, like, what are you doing? And, you know, and then you eventually build rapport. But it was just like, you know, I'm like, these are the teachers telling you this, and you're like, fuck, dude, you guys are guiding people into this? It was, dude, I, I, I walked away from that being like, god damn.

• 2:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of people that think that, like, a lot of psychology and a lot of therapy is just complete horseshit. And the argument about therapy being complete horseshit, in terms of like, uh, the academic study of it and applying it to people, is that very few people, you know, get better. I think it does help a lot of people, though. And I think it really helps a lot of people if they're in a really bad place. I think some people just want to talk to somebody. And that can help too.

• 2:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, what is the, what can you actually do for them in, in terms of like, with the t- the tools and the techniques of therapy? Versus just being a human and talking to a human and, and, and, and seeing their side of things and trying to tell them your perspective and trying to give them a rational point of view and

• 2:22:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  Giving them some, maybe some things to work on, but it's like, it's not a science.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  Not, not at all.

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  And it varies so much between individuals.

• 2:22:20Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, there's the individuals, then there's forty million modalities of therapy. So it's like, you can be doing like, CBT, which is like, that's supposedly the most scientific where it's like, there's a system, it's a kind of rigorous. You can have like Jungian stuff where you're like, what's your, let's draw like a mandala based on your dreams, or you can just be like, let me just be nice to this person who's never had anyone be nice to them.

• 2:22:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:22:40Speaker 02

  And then let them kind of open up and like, yeah, it's, I think they did a study one time where they took, um, they let people who weren't trained therapists be therapists and they didn't find a giant difference as terms of like, who was getting what result. But then there's, it's, it is a skill though, that's the other thing. Like it's a skill, it's a hard job.

• 2:22:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:57Speaker 02

  But it, I think you're totally right where it's like, it all depends on the person, have they, are they in touch with what's fucked the therapist? Do they know about like what's fucked up with them and like?

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:23:05Speaker 02

  Cause you can like, I don't know, man. It's, it's such a crap shoot and it's like, I think it can be beneficial. I think like, being stuck in it your whole life, I don't know about that. Cause it just becomes a thing where you start performing and you're like, fuck, let me.

• 2:23:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of people feel like you have to be in therapy and everybody should be in therapy.

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I don't know. Like I remember, I didn't do it ever. And then when I went to school for therapy, they're like, you gotta, you gotta go to therapy so that like, you can know what it's like and blah, blah, blah. It's like, fair enough. And I genuinely walked in there being like, I'm about to blow this lady's mind. She's gonna be like, I've never met a guy so put together. And then like, I went in there and she kind of picked me apart and I was like, fuck, I'm kind of fucked up. I didn't.

• 2:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's funny.

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  But it was, I for real was like, I'm gonna, this lady's about to be like, bro, let me just tell you about my, I like, for real had so much.

• 2:23:51Joe Rogan?

  You thought that you were gonna be the therapist for her?

• 2:23:53Speaker 02

  I thought I was the chosen one.

• 2:23:57Speaker 02

  It was good though because like they, the one thing they can do is like if you're in a family system and you have no other like, you know, available worldviews, you're locked in that. So a therapist can be somebody outside of a system you would never wise ever have access to. Who can let you run like things through your head in a way you would never think of. That I think is good. But then it's like, you know, at a certain point, it's like, I feel like you should get in, get out. Kind of like, alright, here's some things. It was like, there's like, like acceptance commitment therapy, that's good. It's like, they teach you how to be like mindful, how to like monitor your thoughts without having them like completely attack. There's like, there are like skills you can learn.

• 2:24:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:35Speaker 02

  But it's like dude, fucking, and the money of it's crazy. Like, that's the other thing, like, it's so expensive.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, and does insurance pay for it for most people?

• 2:24:44Speaker 02

  Depends. It like, it'll cover it for some, you have to be, you have to get a therapist in that network. And then they have to diagnose you if insurance wants, if you want your insurance to cover you. That therapist has to diagnose you with a mental disorder, or some sort of mental thing.

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, and do they have to prescribe something for you?

• 2:25:00Speaker 02

  They don't, I don't think they have to prescribe, no. But it's like, do they have to just give you a like, you know, your bipolar, adjustment disorder is the one where it's like.

• 2:25:07Joe Rogan?

  But with psychiatrists, like, I wonder how many of them are just like incentivized to put you on something?

• 2:25:14Speaker 02

  Probably a ton, they're just like doctors.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:16Speaker 02

  So, and then some of them just swear by it, they're like, just take this, take that, take this.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have a friend who went to a psychiatrist and he said that like, immediately, like first meeting, this guy's trying to put him on antidepressants.

• 2:25:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, well, I don't think I need that. Like, I'm not that fucked up, I'm just not happy.

• 2:25:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:35Joe Rogan?

  I'm sad.

• 2:25:36Speaker 02

  It's also, the first meeting's crazy, cause it's like, let's see what your life's about.

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  No, he's like, let's get you on this and it'll make you feel better.

• 2:25:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  And we'll work from there, like.

• 2:25:44Speaker 02

  Well, some of those guys are like ruthless materialists, where you're like, yeah, your brain's just fucked up dude, who cares? Cause that like, uh, did you ever see the Sapowski guy?

• 2:25:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Robert Sapowski.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he's great, I loved his lectures, but his last book, and again, this was like from him promoting it, I didn't read it, but his argument was like, yeah, we just all have different brains and if you're like. You know, if you're like a fucking home invader or burglar, it's just your genes suck and like we shouldn't never punish anybody. We should just kinda like keep people aside and just rehabilitate. Basically saying like you have no choice over what you do at all. Free will is complete illusion.

• 2:26:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the determinism argument.

• 2:26:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know about that argument. I mean, obviously, free will is real. But obviously, you are affected by your genes, your life circumstances, your past behavior, your all the experiences that you've had. There's a lot of factors. To say that will doesn't mean anything, well then why is inspiration so important?

• 2:26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Why do people love inspiration? Why do people love like a good pep talk? Why do people love like a good motivational video that gets you out of the house? Like, obviously, there's will involved.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  And will is, will is the thing that turns you into a jelly roll at 500 pounds to jelly roll at 200 pounds. Like, that's what will does.

• 2:26:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, that is, that's a real thing, man. That's not a, it's not a fake thing. This idea of free will. It's no determinism that led Jelly Roll to decide to start walking. It was hardcore will.

• 2:27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, I agree. I don't, that argument always bothers. I liked Sepals here. I liked a lot of his stuff. That argument just bothers me, cause it's like okay, you're taking the idea of will and just switching it with like this nebulous, like what, there's like a isotope in your brain that is, like it's switched on and then you're able, it's just, to me, it's such a, like a just a weird point to kind of like try to push across. We're like, there's no free will, it's just your gene activates and then you do the thing and it's like, I guess, man. But then you can like change your genes apparently by like acting a certain way, so it's like you know, I, that's, I just never liked that stuff, man.

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird argument, but there's validity to both perspectives. There's validity to the perspective that free will is a real thing, but also determinism is a, is a giant factor in how many people live their lives the way they live them.

• 2:27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:56Joe Rogan?

  There's like, especially if you're in a shit circumstance, you're in a Terrible gang-ridden community, get beaten in your house, your mom's on crack, there's chaos everywhere. The idea that you're gonna come out of this writing vegan poetry is insane.

• 2:28:10Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 2:28:11Joe Rogan?

  It's insane.

• 2:28:11Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's, that's true.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  And that's insane. You're, you're a product of your environment, at least to a certain extent. And usually someone finds something that they love that gives them an outlet and then they get out of there.

• 2:28:23Speaker 02

  The problem with the determinism stuff for me is like, cause I, I, I do get that. It's like, you know, yeah, if you have a horrible upbringing and you do a hor- you know, you kill people. It is like, yeah, I get it. Like if I, that had been me, maybe I can do that. And like, he's like, maybe we should treat everyone a lot more kindly and not punish people. And it's like, I'm on board with that. It all, for me, it all stops at pedophiles. And it's like, so what, we're supposed to just like?

• 2:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:44Speaker 02

  Poo poo a pedophile? It's like, part of me is like, we should probably fucking fry those guys. Where it's like?

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's one of the craziest things about this whole, what's going on, the woke shit in academia is they're starting to call them minor attracted persons.

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:56Joe Rogan?

  So there's like legitimate academics who are describing pedophiles as minor attracted persons and that it doesn't mean that they're evil. It's like, what?

• 2:29:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. I know. And that's the problem. It's like, okay.

• 2:29:10Joe Rogan?

  If you have kids, like, I don't know anybody who has kids who has that perspective.

• 2:29:14Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:29:14Joe Rogan?

  If you did, you have to be like a sick fuck, like to think that it's, oh, it's just a minor attracted person that fucked my kid. Like, what?

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, that, and that's the whole thing too. Where it's like, we're all just bags, you know, of like genes and we're this material goo that just does something sometimes. It's like, alright, well, let me fucking squash this pedophile then. Let me, we're all just bags of goo, let's let me, you know, crush this guy. But it's like.

• 2:29:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's okay to abort a, a child, but it's not okay to kill a pedophile.

• 2:29:38Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  Explain, help me.

• 2:29:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's where it gets for me, all that like determinism, like we should just be kind and have a more rational approach to criminal justice. It's like, for sure. And then it's like, ah, fuck pedophiles. It's like, yeah, you can't.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Pedophiles, serial killers.

• 2:29:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:53Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of rapists. There's a lot of different people you could throw into that. One of the interesting things about Zepolsky is, uh, he did some crazy work on toxoplasmosis. That's how I really got into him.

• 2:30:04Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He was the guy that we first started reading about that was saying that a disproportionate amount of motorcycle victims, when he was doing his residency, um, the, uh, the guy who, he was working with, one of the surgeons would test the motorcycle victims for toxoplasmosis. And he said a giant percentage of them have this cat parasite.

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I've heard about this.

• 2:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Cat parasite alters behavior. It makes you more reckless. It makes you more prone to erratic mood swings. And it makes you more aggressive. It's interesting. Yeah, disproportionate amount of uh uh Successful soccer teams have high levels of toxoplasmosis.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Countries with higher toxoplas- it could also be hires- countries of higher toxoplasmosis don't have any money. It's easier to get a soccer ball. People get good at soccer. It's the way out of the game, I mean, way out of uh Bad neighborhoods. But this, the motorcycle victim thing is nuts because we know it affects human behavior. And we also know that it affects animal behavior.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  It makes cats, it grows inside cats guts. It's the only way that it reproduces. So what it does is it rewires a sexual reward system of rodents. And like mice and rats get turned on by the smell of cat piss. So they go to seek out cat piss with like a boner, like literally, and they lose all their fear of cats. So that the cats devour them. And so when the cats devour them, then that parasite is now inside the cat's gut, which is where it reproduces. So that's why they tell pregnant women you should never touch cat litter.

• 2:31:38Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:31:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's toxoplasmosis.

• 2:31:41Speaker 02

  And they think it does the same thing in humans where it just makes you like kinda amps up your drives?

• 2:31:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  Damn, that's, you know what else is nuts too? Because you were saying that's more in like certain countries that are like developing?

• 2:31:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's in rural areas, any places where people have like outdoor cats.

• 2:31:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:56Joe Rogan?

  Um, but there was one point where in France, it was like fifty percent of the people had toxo.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:32:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because there was wild cats everywhere.

• 2:32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:04Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta think, cats are, they're on your countertop, their, their, their fucking shit is on their paws.

• 2:32:10Speaker 02

  I don't, that's the one thing, like I have dogs, I, I, cats are fine. If I see a cat, I'll pet it, but like when I see people's cats on their countertop and I don't get squeamish easily, I'm just kinda like, ew, dude, like, it's kinda gross.

• 2:32:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, they shit in a box. They paw around in that box of shit and piss. And then they hop on your couch. With shit and piss on their paws.

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:29Joe Rogan?

  Dogs go outside. They take a shit, they come inside, they're good.

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:31Joe Rogan?

  As long as your dog doesn't rub his asshole on your dinner plates, you're probably okay. But I've had cats like walk on your plates. They don't give a shit. They'll have, they'll take a seat on your plate.

• 2:32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, like.

• 2:32:41Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, I have to get a new plate now, you fuck. What are you doing? Get off of that.

• 2:32:45Speaker 02

  And they're, they're funny, but I've seen, every time I see them like get out of the litter box and walk across people's countertops, I'm like, dude.

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  It's funny. I've always had them though. I have, well, I don't have them now because my kids are allergic. But when I, when I was younger, I had them and they are fun. I like them. They're fun pets. They're cute. They're cute. They come over here and purr.

• 2:33:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  But it is weird that you have a box of shit in your house. And there's a lot of people like they're lazy and you go over their house, they have a cat, they're not cleaning that litter box enough. And as soon as you walk in though, fucking waft of piss and shit hits you and like, bro, you're just smelling this all day?

• 2:33:17Speaker 02

  So bad. I need, I would need an outdoor. I used to let stray cats come in my house when I lived, I used, after college, I lived in a house by myself in Philly. It was like a small house and uh, all the, like a lot of the houses on the street have been knocked down. So there's only like, there were row homes, but I had a standalone row home. There's a lady across the street had a standalone row home. They just knocked all the houses next to us down and like two other people. And I would let the stray cat into my house, but I would just, you know, you can come stay in here. But I'd be like, you can't, like this thing can't get in my bed. And like, by like three days, that thing was like curled up next to my face. I got a fucked up eye infection.

• 2:33:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:48Speaker 02

  It was called epigemic, no, it's called epidemic corato conjunctivitis.

• 2:33:51Joe Rogan?

  It's called shit in your eye?

• 2:33:53Speaker 02

  It literally was, it was, but the eye doctor was like, eye doctor goes, I had only seen, this is like in third world countries. And dude, for six months afterwards, after it got cleared up, they had to shut the thing down and clean the whole eye practice. Afterwards, my eye at 10 o'clock would start to droop.

• 2:34:08Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:34:09Speaker 02

  Cause the white blood cells would rush to my eye. So I would be out dude for six months after the thing had finally cleared up. Cause it was viral. They're like, there's nothing you can do for it. I would go out, my eye would just start drooping and I'd be like, I gotta go home. I gotta go home. That's your alarm. I would feel like I had fucking. This is what you said? Yes, I feel like I had fucking sand in my eye.

• 2:34:26Joe Rogan?

  Highly contagious severe eye infection caused by adenovirus typically types A8, A1937. Cause rapid onset of red, painful, watery eyes, often with light sensitivity, blurred vision and swollen eyelids. Whoa.

• 2:34:40Speaker 02

  Dude, I would wake up in the morning, my eyelid was, it was stuck together and I'd have to pull it open. And then I saw the movie Ray, remember the beginning of Ray when his eyes get all globbed up? I was like, dude, am I going blind? This would suck.

• 2:34:51Joe Rogan?

  That would suck if you got blind from a cat's asshole.

• 2:34:53Speaker 02

  Fucking sucked dude.

• 2:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, but.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  A friend of mine has shingles on his face. It's crazy, his whole face is all swollen up and he's worried he might go blind.

• 2:35:03Speaker 02

  He has it now?

• 2:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he just got it. He's an older guy and he just got it.

• 2:35:07Speaker 02

  What is, is shingles like when you don't get chickenpox and it like comes and gets you afterwards?

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Think so. I think it's a form of the herpes virus.

• 2:35:15Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  That affects older people in particular. Older people are terrified of it. They get shingles vaccinations and shit. Um, is that what it is?

• 2:35:25Speaker 03

  I thought chickenpox was herpes too.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:35:28Speaker 02

  I always heard that if you don't get chickenpox as a kid, you might get shingles as an adult. My uncle got shingles and he said it sucked.

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Uh, known as herpes zoster, a viral infection that causes a painful rash. It stems from the reactivation of the varicella zoster virus, the same one responsible for chickenpox, which lies dormant in nerve tissues after the initial infection. So after you get the infection, then you can get shingles.

• 2:35:53Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 2:35:53Joe Rogan?

  After chickenpox resolves, the virus remains inactive in the body's nerve cells. Factors like aging, weakened immunity, or stress can trigger reactivation, leading to shingles. Most commonly in adults over 50, yeah. Yeah, my friend is like in his 60s.

• 2:36:08Speaker 02

  That sucks dude.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's rough.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  A lot of older people are scared of shingles.

• 2:36:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, my uncle got it and he like, he was.

• 2:36:17Joe Rogan?

  Is the shingles vaccine effective? Does it prevent shingles? Is that one of the legit? Get ones?

• 2:36:23Speaker 03

  It says vaccines like Shingrix, Shingrix, reduce risk significantly. Antiviral drugs shorten outbreaks.

• 2:36:34Speaker 03

  If started early.

• 2:36:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you gotta get on it right when you see the first bump.

• 2:36:38Speaker 02

  Sucked, dude. Somebody knows kids got MRSA from swimming in one of those.

• 2:36:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's scary.

• 2:36:44Speaker 02

  We got the pictures, it was just like bubble, it looked crazy.

• 2:36:47Joe Rogan?

  MRSA's terrifying.

• 2:36:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  That's all from people taking antibiotics.

• 2:36:52Speaker 02

  Or it was staph, it's staph and MRSA.

• 2:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Staph. Staph is the more dangerous one, or excuse me, MRSA's the more dangerous one, because MRSA is medically, medical resistant.

• 2:37:01Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 2:37:02Joe Rogan?

  Medicine resistant.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  So this was just staph, so it was like a giant bubble on their hand, it looked, it looked crazy.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  I've had staph.

• 2:37:08Speaker 02

  Did you really?

• 2:37:09Joe Rogan?

  I've had it a couple times, yeah. I got it from jujitsu, a lot of people get it. Yeah, it's real common, like, um, a lot of people get it and they don't even realize they have it until it's too, like, Ari had it, and he didn't even know he had it. We were playing pool once and he was limping, he was walking around, I go, why are you limping? And he goes, I got a spider bite, and he was doing jujitsu, I bought him a year of jujitsu for Christmas.

• 2:37:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  I forced him to celebrate Christmas.

• 2:37:34Speaker 02

  I didn't say it's Hanukkah, I got him a Christmas present, but, um, I go, let me see, and he rolls his pants up.

• 2:37:41Joe Rogan?

  And I see this bubble on his knee with like a pus center of it, and I go, we're going to the hospital right now. He goes, are you serious? I unscrewed my queue, I go, you have to go to the hospital right now, I go, right now, I go, that's staph infection.

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  And he was like, why don't they fucking tell us about, why aren't there signs at the gym warning you about them, like, that's a good point. Like, you kinda have to hear about it from somebody.

• 2:38:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:04Joe Rogan?

  I found out about it from my friend Tate, um, shout out to Tate Fletcher, my homie, we were, uh, at the airport once. And I had shorts on and, you know, I had just like my foot sitting up like this, he goes, what's on your calf? I had like little pimples on my calf, I'm like, I don't know, nothing. And he goes, dude, I think that's staph.

• 2:38:21Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:38:21Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, what? I go, these are like little zits? You think that's staph? And he goes, yeah, you should go get that checked out, and I went to the doctor and he said, yeah, that looks like staph, he goes, I'm gonna put you on antibiotics right away and we're just gonna swab it. And send it in, but I don't wanna wait, and I got on it right away, and so I killed it quick, but I remember the antibiotics. Dude, you feel so weird when you're on there.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:44Joe Rogan?

  He's like so tired.

• 2:38:46Speaker 02

  I hate taking them, man.

• 2:38:47Joe Rogan?

  Some guys fight on them. I know guys that have got staph infections in the UFC. Fought off the staph infection with antibiotics and then fought on the antibiotics. Which is crazy.

• 2:38:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's insane.

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how you'd have any endurance.

• 2:39:01Speaker 02

  No. I don't, I always feel weird. I also like, they mess my stomach up so bad.

• 2:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:39:06Speaker 02

  I don't want to, but my stomach's just fried.

• 2:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, my friend Gordon Ryan, that's his belt up there, his greatest jujitsu grappler of all time. He has to retire because he got staph so many times that he was taking antibiotics so often that it fucking nuked his gut bacteria.

• 2:39:20Speaker 02

  Ah, fuck.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  And like, he can't hold food down, he throws up all the time.

• 2:39:24Speaker 02

  It sucks.

• 2:39:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's crazy. He's been dealing with it for years. And he just announced on Instagram really recently that he has to retire.

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I got it.

• 2:39:34Joe Rogan?

  He can't train.

• 2:39:34Speaker 02

  That sucks. That fucking blows.

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  And he's the greatest of all time.

• 2:39:37Speaker 02

  And he just had, he's done?

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  And he's thirty.

• 2:39:38Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:40Speaker 02

  That sucks.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Like unanimously regarded as the greatest grappler of all time.

• 2:39:45Speaker 02

  And he's, that's it?

• 2:39:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's, he's gone like ten years undefeated, beating the best fighters in the world.

• 2:39:50Speaker 02

  Can he take like, time off? Can he just take like five years off?

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  He's trying. He's done that. He hasn't competed in a couple of years. He can't do it. He can't train.

• 2:39:59Speaker 02

  That sucks.

• 2:39:59Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it keeps coming back.

• 2:40:01Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I had eczema one time and uh, it like, it came up on my, it was like on my legs and it was on my dick. And I thought it was ringworm because it was like a perfect circle. So I go to the, you know, I go to the, uh, whatever, urgent care and I'm like, I got, I got fucking ringworm. And they're like, that's weird, usually doesn't go on there. But they're like, just put fucking, uh, you know, Lotrim, or I think what I-

• 2:40:22Joe Rogan?

  Gramercil?

• 2:40:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Lotrimin, that shit. So I put Lotrimin on my dick and it just dried, like the whole thing. It was like, uh, it was disgusting. So then I had to go back to another urgent care. And it was like the second or third time. I just showed like a fucking shriveled, flaccid, like chapped, red penis. And I showed this one nurse who goes like, I don't know, calls in another nurse and I'm like, fuck, alright. She comes in, I don't know what that is, they call in someone else. I'm like, oh, third nurse. Giant black guy comes in, I'm like, no.

• 2:40:53Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:40:58Joe Rogan?

  You know he's gonna laugh as soon as he leaves.

• 2:41:00Speaker 02

  Bro, he was probably, I can't believe, yeah, I, I, it was, it was bad. And then finally, I went to, I finally went to a dermatologist and I, dude, you can look it up, the Center City Dermatology, run by just like a babe. Like, it's on the website, everyone knows this who has ever gone there. My friend, I was talking about it one time, my friend was like, bro, I know exactly what you're talking about. She comes in, checks it out, and she's like, dude, you had, you know, that wasn't even ringworm. And then she gave me this cream and it like cleared it right up. So I just showed like my, like, champ. It was like a leprosy, bro.

• 2:41:33Speaker 02

  That's, yeah dude. She saw me at my worst, dude.

• 2:41:37Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 2:41:38Speaker 02

  So I just showed like four people. It was like a leprosy penis. And then eventually she was like, oh no dude, take like, it was like a cortosteroide, cleared it right up.

• 2:41:46Joe Rogan?

  I know people that have had eczema that went on a carnivore diet and it went away.

• 2:41:50Speaker 02

  I can't have, I can't have gluten. That's the thing. I've been allergic to gluten for a while. And if I kind of backslide on that, it's like I'll get little eczema flare ups.

• 2:41:58Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people are allergic to it. And a lot of people don't think it's actually the gluten. They think it's actually how they, um, finish the crops with glyphosate.

• 2:42:07Speaker 02

  I've heard about that.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Which kind of makes sense because like, why are all these gluten intolerant, what, nobody even heard about those in the seventies?

• 2:42:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:42:17Joe Rogan?

  There was no one gluten intolerant?

• 2:42:19Speaker 02

  No, it was, dude, weird, the weird thing is my mom, she's always been a health person. She got this book, she had health problems and like, it was might have been the eighties. My aunt was a nurse, gave her this book. My mom self diagnosed gluten allergy in like the eighties. And everyone's like, you're out of your fucking mind. Like, nobody has this, blah, blah, blah. And, yeah, then like when I was in college, I was like, dude, like, I, I feel like my, every time I swallow food, it feels stuck in my throat, my, I have like gas, I'm burping. My stomach's fucked up, I'm not sleeping. I was having like racing thoughts and shit. And she was like, oh, try not eating gluten for a while. Dude, it cleared it up. Like, it was insane.

• 2:42:55Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if that's the same. It's like gluten that you get in Europe where they're not using any glyphosate.

• 2:43:00Speaker 02

  No, that's what I heard. You can eat, apparently you can go eat it, you know, in Europe and it's fine. I remember I took a test finally and it was like, I, it was like one of those like internet blood test things and I came up like allergic to, not even the gluten, it's like glutein, which is like another protein inside of wheat, which I don't know if it's that the same thing or what. It was just like an allergy to it. I showed it, I showed it to Shane, he, it was like, it was moderate and he goes, "Pff, moderate, you're a pussy." "Tape a pizza." I was like, "Fuck." Why did I show you? It was, he was always, everyone's like, "It's fake, it's in your head, you're full of shit." So I finally had proof, I'm like, "What are you gonna do about it now?" He goes, "Moderate, pff, pussy." And I'm like, "Fuck."

• 2:43:37Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the worst intolerances to have because the food is so delicious. Like, think about it. Spaghetti, lasagna, bread, sandwiches.

• 2:43:47Speaker 02

  I don't, I, and eating the gluten-free bread is like not, is not, at that point you just go like, "I'm not eating bread, it's not really good." In order to make it good, you have to put so much shit in it that you're like, "I might as well not eat it." I, I've been off gluten since I was like 21.

• 2:44:00Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:44:01Speaker 02

  And then anytime I would like backslide at a restaurant where they cook with it and stuff, it would, you know, fuck me up. Weirdly enough though, if I get enough sunlight, I, it like my, I can tolerate a lot more stuff.

• 2:44:12Joe Rogan?

  I guarantee that's a vitamin D thing.

• 2:44:14Speaker 02

  I, I think, I don't know, it's weird, man. Every time I go to a doctor, they're just like, "Bro, I don't know, I don't know what to tell you."

• 2:44:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, vitamin D is good for your immune system and these are autoimmune issues. It makes sense that they would kinda be connected somehow or another.

• 2:44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I, I couldn't eat, after the gluten, it was like, then I couldn't eat dairy and then every time I'd get sunlight, I could eat the dairy. It's fucking weird.

• 2:44:32Joe Rogan?

  How nuts is the sunlight thing? Like, for so long, people are saying, "Stay out of the sun. Sun's gonna kill you."

• 2:44:37Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 2:44:38Joe Rogan?

  And then, now they're going, "No, no, no, you need to get in the sun or you're gonna die."

• 2:44:41Speaker 02

  I know, I know, I know. What's the new, we got the new food pyramid now.

• 2:44:45Joe Rogan?

  I know. Well, a lot of people are. So angry, they're so angry at RFK Junior for flipping the food pyramid, but there's so much evidence that this is the accurate way to eat. This is the way people are supposed to be eating. It's like whole foods, like actual food, like vegetables, meat, fish, like that's what you're supposed to eat. Like actual food that people have been eating for thousands of years, that's how you're supposed to eat.

• 2:45:05Speaker 02

  Dude, that's the one, that's the stuff, the backlash against them that I'm like, I don't get it, man. It's like getting like the weird shit out of foods that they don't have in Europe for like schools and stuff and it's like.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  That was always the left wing's position.

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  I do, I know.

• 2:45:17Joe Rogan?

  It was like no preservatives, no additives, natural foods.

• 2:45:20Speaker 02

  I know, and that's the thing too, like I, I love like, cause I have all these food allergies, so like I gotta go to like a hipstery, kind of like rainbow flag restaurant, that's the only place I can eat from. So I'm like, I know you guys like this, why are you pretending to not like getting rid of like, Red Forty and all that shit?

• 2:45:34Joe Rogan?

  Because it's connected with Trump, because RFK Junior is a part of this party, or part of this administration. And so it became a political thing. People are just so silly, they'd rather commit suicide. They'd rather poison themselves than admit that he's right.

• 2:45:48Speaker 02

  It's insane. It's like, dude, just give him one and be like, alright, that's actually a good one.

• 2:45:52Joe Rogan?

  But it's that, that resistance to recognizing maybe this person that I don't agree with, because he's connected to this other person that I don't agree with, maybe he's got some good points. Maybe if a person that was like, someone that I aligned with ideologically, had the same points, I would be like, yes, thank you. Yes, these preservatives are terrible. Yes, these dyes are terrible. Yes, this is bad for you. Yes, you should have warning labels. Yes, other countries have banned these products. Why do we have them? Yes.

• 2:46:23Speaker 02

  Dude, and especially like if you have kids, it's like, dude, you worry more about that than like your kids not eating a bunch of crazy bullshit.

• 2:46:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:30Speaker 02

  It's like, dude, just let it, let it go. You can be like, alright, like I don't like this, but that's fucking right, I like that, let's let them cook on that and it's like.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, so many people that aren't religion, don't, don't have religion in their life, they worship science. Like science, they, they treat it as if this is like a doctrine and a dogma. And if you don't support it, you're a heretic. There's something wrong with you. It's like, well, do you know those people, these scientists? Like, a lot of them are fucking severely compromised. They're compromised by financial incentives, they're compromised by academic incentives. They're trapped in these systems where you're, you're, you're, you're forced to have group think.

• 2:47:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  You have this top-down control, the people that are at the top are controlled and connected to these pharmaceutical drug companies. They're pushing these ideas, like, this isn't all clean.

• 2:47:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're hanging with Epstein too.

• 2:47:17Joe Rogan?

  I know, isn't that crazy?

• 2:47:18Speaker 02

  He loves scientists, man. Thank God I wasn't a scientist.

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that weird?

• 2:47:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:47:22Joe Rogan?

  That's so weird.

• 2:47:23Speaker 02

  That's so fucking crazy, yeah, it's, and the sci- dude, the science shit is like, cause I do know this from going to masters. I know you need to understand statistics. You need like a very serious understanding of statistics to actually make sense of those studies. And I, I never was able to do that, but it's like, you can read those studies and like, oh, look at this, it's a graph, everything's going up. And it's like, yeah, but like, what was like the percentage of the, what this, and, and it's like, statistics is for real like magic to me. Where it's like, it's so slippery and weird and like, you can make one thing look this way and it's, you can arrange the data in a different way and you're like, oh shit, the fucking thing went up and now this is better, it's like.

• 2:47:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what pharmaceutical drug companies do for sure. They'll, they'll run multiple studies and then throw out all the ones that show no efficacy.

• 2:48:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  And even hide dangerous side effects, they hide them.

• 2:48:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they're allowed to do as many, I, I remember reading a book on antidepressants like years and years ago. And I think they were allowed to do as many studies as it needed to like show basically what they wanted to see. Which wasn't even good, it was like fifty percent.

• 2:48:23Joe Rogan?

  We had a, um, a lawyer in here that had, he'd worked on cases with pharmaceutical drug companies. And one of the things that he said that was really crazy was, he found out that the pharmaceutical drug companies don't, when they get peer reviewed, when their papers get peer reviewed, they don't have to give the data to the scientists. They give their review of the data to the scientists and then it gets peer reviewed.

• 2:48:47Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like rigged.

• 2:48:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:48:50Joe Rogan?

  It's so rigged.

• 2:48:51Speaker 02

  Remember the study that was like, if you drink one glass of wine, you're gonna be healthy?

• 2:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:55Speaker 02

  That was complete bullshit. That was made by a body of science that was like promoted by the big alcohol companies. It was completely false. I know so many people who were like, dude, it's good for me.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:49:05Speaker 02

  I need alcohol every day.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  They were also saying resveratrol, that was one.

• 2:49:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, grape shit. And it's also just like, eat a fucking grape then.

• 2:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, take resveratrol, it's a good supplement, and the amount that you get in supplements is like far exceeds a glass of wine. You have to drink the whole bottle.

• 2:49:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, true.

• 2:49:21Joe Rogan?

  And then you're hammered.

• 2:49:21Speaker 02

  And you're drunk.

• 2:49:23Joe Rogan?

  Liver's destroyed.

• 2:49:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that shit always threw me off. And I remember, I remember at the time being like, there's no fucking way. That's true.

• 2:49:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:32Speaker 02

  Like, no, you hang out more and you're less lonely and.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  I think there's something to the relaxation of alcohol that, like, at least it makes you feel better. And I think feeling better is a part of, like, having a better life and having a better, a healthier mind. Because there's something about people that are just riddled with anxiety and thinking about things all the time. There's a lot of people out there that are just, they don't have the tools to navigate this fucked up world. And so they're all like, a little drinky poo every now and then. Maybe not bad for them. Maybe a little just fuck it juice, like.

• 2:50:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, true. If you drop the cortisol at night.

• 2:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Just a little bit, little relaxation. There's a lot of people that like, one of the only things keeping them hanging on is a drink at night, you know, just a little drink, just nothing crazy or getting, killing yourself.

• 2:50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wouldn't want to take that from somebody either.

• 2:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't want to take that from people.

• 2:50:22Speaker 02

  That's true. I wouldn't want to take that. But it is, it's just nuts to be like, this is actually really good for you. It's like, well, it's lesser of two evils for sure. It's like.

• 2:50:29Joe Rogan?

  And weren't they trying to say that like Fruit Loops were healthier for you than ground beef? Wasn't that one of the studies?

• 2:50:36Speaker 02

  Was it really?

• 2:50:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, they had comparisons, like, they had a chart, like, where, where things fit on the healthy versus not healthy.

• 2:50:44Speaker 02

  That's fucking insane. Well, the old food pyramid was the best. It was like cereal, bread, and pasta. That was what you're supposed to eat, like, nine servings.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, food.

• 2:50:53Speaker 02

  You're supposed to be charged on just fucking like elbow macaroni.

• 2:50:58Speaker 02

  That was for real, growing up, that's what it was.

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, people in France, they're eating loaves of bread and they don't get fat.

• 2:51:04Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:51:05Joe Rogan?

  And they're healthy.

• 2:51:06Speaker 02

  I know, that is fucking weird, man.

• 2:51:07Joe Rogan?

  It's, we're getting poisoned.

• 2:51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Everyone who comes here from another country is like, I feel horrible.

• 2:51:12Joe Rogan?

  I know. They have a hot dog and they're fucking vomiting in the trash can.

• 2:51:19Joe Rogan?

  Alright dog, let's wrap this up.

• 2:51:21Speaker 03

  Can I, uh, one more thing?

• 2:51:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, please.

• 2:51:23Speaker 03

  This is going around, uh, Wexner's, uh, deposition from the Oversight Committee came out, like the full video did today. And there's this clip going around that I don't know what the context is. I'll show you, it's on the screen right now, Joe.

• 2:51:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:51:36Speaker 03

  I just wanna play it and see.

• 2:51:37Joe Rogan?

  It says, "I'll fucking kill you if you answer another question with more than five words, okay?"

• 2:51:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay, he seems like he's joking.

• 2:51:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Seems like it, but...

• 2:51:56Joe Rogan?

  He wants them to answer questions very s- short answers.

• 2:51:59Speaker 03

  I keep seeing people saying you're not allowed to be coached in a deposition.

• 2:52:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 2:52:06Speaker 03

  I don't know if this is a...

• 2:52:06Joe Rogan?

  "I'll fucking kill you if you answer another question with more than five words, okay?" That's hilarious that he thought he could whisper that.

• 2:52:12Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 2:52:16Joe Rogan?

  That's so fucked up. But what is their relationship? Like, are they fuck around like that?

• 2:52:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I can't tell, it's really hard to tell.

• 2:52:22Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to say what that is.

• 2:52:23Speaker 02

  That almost was kinda charming. I'm like, that was kinda like sweet, actually, in some weird way.

• 2:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Fucking kill you.

• 2:52:29Speaker 03

  His answers in this are pretty tough already, I can see. He's like, "I had no idea." They're like, "You stealing money from me?" ABC reported this five years ago, it's like, "Fucking crazy, that's news to me."

• 2:52:38Joe Rogan?

  He didn't know that Epstein was stealing money from him?

• 2:52:41Speaker 03

  That's what he's saying in some of these clips, yeah.

• 2:52:44Speaker 03

  We'll see how this, where this goes.

• 2:52:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, true.

• 2:52:46Joe Rogan?

  If nothing ever happens, people are gonna lose all faith in everything.

• 2:52:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:51Joe Rogan?

  If nothing happens from all this, if Prince Andrew's the only one who goes down? And what if he just gets a slap on the wrist?

• 2:52:56Speaker 02

  He's completely gonna get a slap on the wr- he's not going to like, fucking maximum security. He's not going to like Oz, he's not gonna be in there like, doing burpees and shit. He's gonna be in protective custody.

• 2:53:05Speaker 03

  I mean, he's already out, he's only in jail for 11 hours, he's technically out now.

• 2:53:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, but... He's gonna be tried, right?

• 2:53:13Speaker 03

  We'll see.

• 2:53:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, see, the thing is like, I never thought he'd be arrested. I never thought that would happen. I thought like they'd strip him of his princehip, or whatever it is. That's it. Banishing him to a ca- and then they, they kicked him out of the estate. I was like, whoa, things are getting serious.

• 2:53:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they saw. I think they got to see the stuff and they're like, bro, what the fuck?

• 2:53:31Joe Rogan?

  They must.

• 2:53:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Alright, let's wrap this up. Dude, it's been a lot of fun hanging at the club. It's been good times, dude.

• 2:53:39Speaker 02

  Been, dude, it's been awesome.

• 2:53:40Joe Rogan?

  It's fun watching your act grow too. It's really funny, man.

• 2:53:43Speaker 02

  Thank you, bro.

• 2:53:43Joe Rogan?

  It's really great. And you're where this weekend?

• 2:53:45Speaker 02

  Uh, Salt Lake. Salt Lake City in Boise, Idaho, so.

• 2:53:49Joe Rogan?

  Go get some tickets, folks. Go see him. Matt McCusker, fucking hilarious. Appreciate you, brother. Great, great funny. Bye, everybody.