Apple’s $20 Billion AI Blunder and Why Tim Cook is Losing the Innovation War | The Tom Bilyeu Show

Welcome back to Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu! In this lively episode, Tom is joined by his co-host Drew for a candid deep-dive into the most pressing issues shaping tech, culture, and society right now. Kicking things off, Tom takes Apple to task for missing out on AI innovation, arguing that mere incremental improvements aren’t enough in a world rapidly shaped by artificial intelligence. Together, he and Drew offer a no-holds-barred exploration of tech industry leadership, unraveling why Apple’s culture may be holding them back and what it would take to truly compete in the coming AI revolution. But the conversation doesn’t stop at technology. Tom and Drew navigate a wide range of hot-button topics—from the gender debates driving modern society, to evolving roles in entrepreneurship in the AI era, and even the very real consequences of global conflicts like the ongoing crisis in Gaza. Along the way, they dig deep into questions from the audience, reflect on controversial moments in the news, and share personal stories about parenting, education, and the challenges of modern life. SHOWNOTES 05:44 Product Challenges for Tim Cook 11:19 AI Interactions vs. Search Responses 24:00 Embracing Entrepreneurship in Transition Periods 33:17 "Debate on Israel's Existence" 42:21 Surface-Level Acceptance Criticized 55:13 "First Principles for Business Scaling" CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to ⁠⁠https://www.vitalproteins.com⁠⁠ https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Allio Capital: Macro investing for people who want to understand the big picture. Download their app in the App Store or at Google Play, or text my name “TOM” to 511511. SleepMe: Visit ⁠⁠https://sleep.me/impact⁠⁠ https://sleep.me/impact to get your Chilipad and save 20% with code IMPACT. Try it risk-free with their 30-night sleep trial and free shipping. Tailor Brands: 35% off ⁠⁠https://tailorbrands.com/podcast35⁠⁠ https://tailorbrands.com/podcast35Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at ⁠⁠https://shopify.com/impact⁠⁠ https://shopify.com/impactHims: Start your free online visit today at ⁠⁠https://hims.com/IMPACT⁠⁠ https://hims.com/IMPACT. Linkedin: Post your job free at ⁠⁠https://linkedin.com/impacttheory⁠⁠ https://linkedin.com/impacttheory What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:⁠ ⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show⁠join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:⁠ ⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/call⁠see if you qualify here.⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:⁠ ⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/⁠sign up here.⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,⁠ Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:⁠ ⁠ http://apple.co/impacttheory⁠apple.co/impacttheory⁠ http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:⁠ ⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/⁠https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:⁠ ⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:⁠ ⁠ https://twitter.com/tombilyeu⁠https://twitter.com/tombilyeu⁠ https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:⁠ ⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu⁠https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:10Speaker 01

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• 1:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Tom Bilyeu Show Live. I'm excited to have you guys here. I've got Drew.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  You.

• 1:46Tom Bilyeu?

  In the house. We've got Mason over on the community, and we've got... Eric and G behind the scenes. What's up, everybody? I hope you guys are having a wonderful morning.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Apple.

• 1:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Awards.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, Apple has an AI problem. And they're ahead of their, I think, September 9th launch for the iPhone 17. So it's just going to be another iPhone with an additional camera. People are really starting to kind of hold back on the most innovative US company. There's calls for it to buy Mistral AI. There's calls for it to buy Perplexity. But whatever they do, they even did a deal with Gemini so that way it can power their next generation Siri devices. If you were Apple, if you were Tim Cook, would you want to develop? Like, how would you get their AI? How would you get them out into the new?

• 2:29Tom Bilyeu?

  These guys were morons. I cannot believe what they did. This is the biggest mistake Apple has made since they fired Steve Jobs. Like, this is wild. I cannot believe that they missed AI. That this is catastrophically stupid. So they need to buy one of the biggest AI companies. However, many billions that's going to cost you.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  They got it.

• 2:51Tom Bilyeu?

  You gotta buy them. You've got to put them into your phone. You've got to outperform everybody at the level of AI. AI is going to be essentially everything in the future. You go out even, I don't know, maybe seven years? Apps? What? Like, I'm not going to download somebody else's app. Or maybe I will download somebody else's app. But they are going to come and go on the App Store like that. There's not going to be these big dominant things anymore. People are just gonna like get AI, create a thing that does this very specific weird thing that I want done. The one that I keep coming back to is there is no satisfying app for tracking your anime and manga consumption, which is a wind up for me. Also, I would love to find a way to like do better at like creating a dashboard for my game stuff. Because I am like a data junkie.

• 3:34Tom Bilyeu?

  So I want to see how much time did I spend on that game? Did I get the like good stuff? How much else is remaining? You sort of get stuff like that with Steam, but it's all like disaggregated. I want somebody to bring it together and like, give me my like my virtual life dashboard. Okay, well, there's obviously not a big enough market for that, or somebody would have made it. So now you're going to see a world where there is a gazillion like these really niche things that you will just prompt the AI and it will create it for you. So. That's Apple's bread and butter. Like, that's what they make their fucking money on. And so for them not to be at the forefront of this is absolutely moronic. Now, look, as a game developer, I'm well aware the people are gonna play things I said in the past back on a loop.

• 4:20Tom Bilyeu?

  And one day, somebody's gonna point out, I cannot believe that Tom did not see XYZ thing coming and didn't integrate it into his game. What an idiot. So, fair enough, I get it. Tim Cook is one of the greatest CEOs, literally of all time. But nonetheless, Apple's gonna keep dying on his watch. Like, he just doesn't understand product. And I remember saying that when Jobs died and Cook took over, I was like, uh-oh. Like, this is not a guy that understands how to innovate from a product standpoint. Steve Jobs was so, like, counterintuitive. He would say yes to things, everybody else was like, what the fuck? Like, he just really got it. He was a tastemaker. And when you're a tastemaker that understands engineering, he wasn't an engineer, but you're a tastemaker that understands engineering.

• 5:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So you understand, like, how to push engineers and how to get them to make something physically possible. You can create really extraordinary things, which obviously he did. So, but...

• 5:14Speaker 02

  RyeRye17 said, "Tim Cook needs a turtleneck, that's the problem."

• 5:17Tom Bilyeu?

  He needs a turtleneck?

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Turtleneck.

• 5:19Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think that's gonna solve the issue.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  But no, so going back to it, Apple was talking about a TV, they backed off of that. They were talking about a car, they backed off of that.

• 5:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I don't mind any of that.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  They had trillion dollars of R&D, so it's not like they don't have the money cash on hand to do it. And to your point, they're one of the only phone providers that are pushing their prices up instead of down. Perplexity is $20 billion. That's a rounding error on Apple's, like, report sheets. Why do you think, what, what's going on in their mind? Why do you think it's so obvious to the public and so ominous to them?

• 5:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. All right, you really wanna go to the deep end of entrepreneurship. So here it is, everybody. Uh, there is a concept called Velocity Made Good, which hopefully you guys have heard me talk about before. V M G, it comes from sailing. Uh, you're trying to get somewhere in a boat. The wind is not blowing in a cooperative direction. You have to figure out how to angle your sails and tack the boat back and forth to get where you want to go. Uh, that's entrepreneurship. It is extremely hard. So just knowing what to do is not the same as being able to. Um, if he's looking at an acquisition of something like perplexity, he's probably asking himself, can we actually metabolize that company or will we completely fuck them up? Because at Apple, we do not have A I expertise. We do not have it in our bones.

• 6:31Tom Bilyeu?

  We don't understand it, which is why we've kept trying to integrate it and it's just not worked, not worked, not worked at all. And so companies have real personalities based on the people, based on the culture. And so certain things just aren't going to work in certain people's hands. They may not even be able to recognize what's good A I and what's bad A I. So they don't trust themselves. They don't trust themselves to be counterintuitive. They don't trust themselves to like, pick the right thing. And so you get in a circumstance where they were unable to do anything with. Um, I can't even remember her name, Alexa. They can't, haven't been able to do anything with Siri. Thank you. They have, oh, right, of course. Uh, they haven't been able to do anything with Siri. Um, they have had all the failed product launches that you're talking about.

• 7:15Tom Bilyeu?

  And so internally, as a culture, they're realizing, uh oh, like we don't trust ourselves. We don't know how to pick the right thing. We know how to manufacture. Like we can make the headset. But nobody wants to use the headset. Whoopsies. So that is a sign of Tim Cook. Tim Cook is unbelievably good at manufacturing and just in time fulfillment, all that like really, really potentially once in a, once in a generation good. But he is not product good. And so when you have a company that isn't product good from the top down and you need to integrate a product, uh, you're going to be in real trouble. And part of what is Sam Altman is proving is that he's not only good at A I development, that he's good at A I, the product.

• 7:59Tom Bilyeu?

  So if you're one of the biggest A I people in the world and you've got Meta. Trying to get you on board. You've got OpenAI trying to get you on board. You've got, I mean, a handful of other companies trying to get you on board.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Curse or Claude, Perplexity.

• 8:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. And so they all have street cred and Apple is like, if you're a computer engineer, do you want to work for, I mean, let's flash back to like the, you know, 2010. Do you want to go work at Apple or do you want to go work at Microsoft? You want to go work at Apple? And so Apple was able to gobble up all the talent and the only talent that Microsoft was going to be able to get were people that couldn't get a job at Apple. And so you just keep creating this gap of talent. So people that are really good at AI, the last place they want to go is Apple. And so now Apple, because of their cultural problems, team problems from an AI perspective, they're just not able to get people. Cause if I'm an AI guy, I'm like, these guys, not only do they not have faith in themselves, I don't have faith in them. So I don't want to go work there.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  So is there anything to, like, Apple is notoriously late to the party, but then does the thing the best. That's kind of like their shtick.

• 9:10Tom Bilyeu?

  They're thinking of Steve Jobs. Apple is no longer that company.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  They just haven't gotten there yet because AI is going so fast?

• 9:18Tom Bilyeu?

  No.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  Or they want it to be private and so they want to do it on device and then they have to make the chips better first.

• 9:23Tom Bilyeu?

  False.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Over four, no.

• 9:26Tom Bilyeu?

  So this is, uh, this is a structural problem. So the reason that they keep missing is that he doesn't, Tim Cook does not have the right frame of reference to build this out. He doesn't have the ability to get an AI person who could go anywhere, sell to any company, excited to come work for him. So he can throw money at it and he should throw money at it and they should absolutely buy an entire AI company. And then get somebody that's got strong leadership to fold under Apple and then stay the fuck out of their way. And you're going to have to treat them like Steve Jobs used to treat like the Mac team. Flew the pirate flag over them, treated them as like a skunks, skunk works project.

• 10:07Tom Bilyeu?

  If Tim Cook can do that and let them like really build something incredible and then can facilitate the deep integration because you don't want it to feel like a bolt on. If he can do that and recognize, okay, cool, I'm not going to be good at this. Already proven that. So let me get somebody in here that's a complete team. They're excited. They have a mission and now we're just going to integrate. That is about his only shot. Now, I don't know enough about Tim Cook's personality to know if he'll be able to do that or not. Some people just absolutely, they're so good at what they do that they confuse that for being good at everything. So I don't know if he would just constantly put roadblocks in their way. Or if the company culture is such that like, we do these things.

• 10:48Tom Bilyeu?

  And like, let us just optimize that, bro. And we're, you know, a trillion dollar plus company. And so, yes, like maybe AI is going to be a thing in the future. But much like governments can't do austerity because they're like, ah, I'll be gone by then. It's entirely possible that you just don't have somebody planning for far enough into the future. Uh, so we'll see, but they're, they are not going to home grow AI. I will tell you that right now. So their shot is to buy it. And they should immediately. As an Apple user, I am just angry at how ridiculously trash Siri is. Trash, trash. In 2025, if I ask Siri a question, that bitch will actually say like,

• 11:33Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm sorry, I didn't understand your question. Dude, it makes me want to throw my phone through something. Ask her that. Ask her that, Drew.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  In, in other AI news, uh, AI startup perplexity has made a $34 billion all cash offer to acquire Chrome's, uh, Google Chrome's browser. Their whole thing perplexity CEOs, he wants now to put AI inside of the browser. That was his whole shtick for the last two and a half weeks.

• 11:59Tom Bilyeu?

  AI is going to be everywhere, including inside your brain. So yes, in browsers, I mean that literally.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  And Claude just released that they're now developing AI or Claude for Chrome that works directly inside the browser.

• 12:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Uh, so the thing that he was just trying to build for 34 million Claude was like, well, we're just going to integrate it. And you don't even got to pay nothing for it. So.

• 12:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow. But now it's a game of control.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Ooh. So where?

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Help me parse through, how did we get AI into the browser? I was 100% thinking we were going to go her device first, but it seems like we're taking over the computer a little bit more and more.

• 12:31Tom Bilyeu?

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• 14:59Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. Thanks for sticking with us. Let's jump right back in. You're still in the skew morphic phase where everybody's trying to make the new thing look like the old thing. You will eventually move beyond a browser. Browser doesn't even make any sense. You're going to have somebody that you talk to naturally. Just like the reason that Siri drives me so crazy is I want to just ask her a question and have her give me an AI like answer. But unfortunately, when I ask her a question, it's like she gives me a search engine type answer. But the interface of being just like, hey, Drew, what about that thing? Like people will do that all day. It's in fact, one of the things that a CEO has to do is wall themselves off from the company doing that as they scale. Because everyone will just walk by your desk and like, oh, just real fast. And so you have to train them. No, no, no, there have to be other methods for you to get your answer other than just come to me, even though I know them.

• 15:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So you knowing that people have that instinct, you want to create a thing on the device that really will just give them the answer all the time, every time, super fast, in a natural conversational way. Hey, just real fast, like Siri, like, what about that? And then it delivers the goods. So yeah, the right now it they know people are using the browser, so they need to be there. But I mean, give it 10 years, no one's going to be in a browser like that.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Straight to AI, don't skip the middleman.

• 16:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. And, and look, that's me being skew morphic with what exists right now. I don't know the exact form factor. It could be this thing that Johnny Ive and Sam Altman are making. It could be something else. It could be AR glasses. I mean, listen, as somebody that's gotten some early taste of where AR glasses are going, they are as awesome as people think they're going to be. They are fucking incredible. So as that technology gets better and more lightweight.

• 16:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, it's gonna be surreal. You're probably just gonna be talking to your contact lenses or your glasses. You're gonna ask it a thing, it'll pop up, you get your answer. And then based on what you do with your eyes or whatever, it's gonna go away. Like, it will be just seamless.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  I wanna bring something up. This is a fractal, I'm calling it right now.

• 16:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  Myra Clark said, "I made an Australian male, just so I can tolerate him better because the female version forgot it. She would get cursed out." And there's something to my friend, he put a, like, a British, like, Siri on his, like, a British dude. He's like, "Yeah, I like when the, like, a British man, like, asks me what to do."

• 17:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I wanna be mansplained?

• 17:12Speaker 02

  No, not even I wanna be mansplained, but he kinda called him, like, Alfred, like, "This is my butler."

• 17:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Like, I like being... Is there something, like, do you have a specific voice thing?

• 17:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, I don't have a specific voice thing. I like hearing a woman's voice. Um, but I do have, like, a really hard fractal to go on around the relations between men and women. We have done ourselves so much dirt over the last, I mean, it's been on my radar for maybe ten years, but it's probably been going for twenty or thirty years. Uh, and it is completely deranged culture in a way that, like, I know it's on people's radar for sure, I'm not breaking news here, but I don't think people understand just how bad this is and how it works its way, like, deep, deep, deep into, um, society. So, you're having a biological experience, men are different than women, both should

• 18:03Tom Bilyeu?

  be celebrated for their differences, we should not be trying to mash them together into one, like, blobby superbeing.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, it's really fucking stupid what people have done, and there are gonna be massive consequences. So, I'm gonna be a little bit, like, I'm way, way, way blunt now about my thoughts on this, because I think people have run ashore so hard. Um, so, yeah, if a guy wants to hear a guy's voice and you see it as, it's, "Here's an interesting..." When I'm doing writing, I, even though I don't use Audible, I think of it like a man. It's very interesting. So, because I know from a storytelling perspective, I'm way more aligned with male energy than I am with female energy.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:42Tom Bilyeu?

  And I do not wanna waste time trying to, like, explain why I wanna do it this way. People that don't know my backstory and My first writer's room was 50% women and it was like being slowly tortured to death. And at first I did not understand why. I was legitimately confused. I was just like,

• 18:59Speaker 02

  This might be worse than the little boys in my bed joke. Okay, so you spending time with women tortured you.

• 19:05Tom Bilyeu?

  No, Drew, you cannot say it like that. When I'm writing, I have a far more masculine sensibility.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  What are the differences that you've noticed?

• 19:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so I'll give you the, the day, literally, I remember the day that I was slapped in the face with, oh, wait a second. Like, we really are thinking about this differently. I had the villain, the villain Drew, say, don't be a pussy. And the female writers, who by the way, are very talented writers. This is not me commenting on their ability to write. This is me saying we have different sensibilities. They're, they were like, you can't do that. I'm like, can't do what? Like you can't say the word pussy. And I was like, what? So first of all, growing up in the eighties, you say it all the time.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  You have six hard Rs and I don't think pussy's.

• 19:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Pussy with a hard R, Drew.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  I think pussy's a lie.

• 19:57Tom Bilyeu?

  So it was like, didn't even think about it. So that was, I was already like, wait, what? And then I was like, hold on, but it's the villain. Like, I'm not like saying, hey, everybody should talk like this. And I'm like, no, you can't say it. And so then it just became a whole lot of things like that. And I'm like, what is happening? So that was my first introduction to what we would now call woke. But I was completely blind to it at the time. And so I remember, this was years and years and years ago, I had a conversation with Brett Weinstein's wife, Heather Heing. And in the middle of the interview, it dawned on me, I was like, oh, wokeness, wokeness is the pathological female. And I cannot remember how she answered that question. I think though she was like, kind of, but it's like, I'm telling you right now.

• 20:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Wokeness is the pathological female. Males can become pathological, women can become pathological. And that's what wokeness is. It, it is the feminine spirit. Cause it's not women specifically, but it's the feminine spirit gone pathological.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Explain that. What's a pathological male? What's a pathological?

• 21:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Pathological male is I stab you to death in a chicken shop. I literally just saw a clip of that. How wild is that? So that's men gone wrong. Not that women don't ever stab somebody to death, but if they do stab somebody to death, that that is them in a very masculine stance. That is not the typical way that a woman would deal with the world. If a woman wants to destroy you, she's gonna back channel, uh, get people to turn against you, use political power against you. Like, that's all back channel. That's all a very female way of going. Reputation damage, savaging people that way, spreading rumors, et cetera, et cetera. So two very different things, very identifiable. A man can use a female way of savaging somebody. A female can use a masculine way of savaging somebody.

• 21:39Tom Bilyeu?

  But just when you take it on balance, men are gonna be in your face. It's gonna be aggressive. They're gonna call you an idiot right to your face. They're gonna punch you in the mouth. A woman is not going to do that. They're gonna go behind the scenes. They're going to, uh,

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Make everybody else call you an idiot.

• 21:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, basically. And I mean, they can be just as savage, so they may really be trying to end your life or end your career. They're just not gonna do it with a knife or a gun. They might get somebody else to do it, but with a knife or a gun. But they're not going to wield a knife and a gun. And here's the thing, I love that. I I love the way that men, women move in the world and one of the great tragedy, and I love the way that men move in the world. They can become pathological, but these are both like incredible, like ways to interface with the world. And when I look at the way that women make men better, I'm like, one of the great tragedies of modern life is that women no longer want to invest in a man. And the worst thing is they don't want to invest in the man because they've been given so many freedoms.

• 22:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And so now it's like, yo, what do you do with that? Because if you wanna rob women of their freedoms, you're an asshole. So it's like, you should not want that. However, when women are not, when they don't believe that there's any incentive to invest in a man, One of the things that nature has always been able to count on is that a man will try to get laid by becoming worthy of the sexual receptivity of a woman. A woman only has access to so many men, so the odds that she can find somebody that's perfectly able to like take care of her and the kids when she's in a super vulnerable position is effectively zero. So she's got to have the ability to encourage him to be better. And all of this is happening subconsciously. And so it plays out wonderfully and we get the modern world. And now it's breaking.

• 23:19Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I remember, and I know I've told the story many times, but there was a time, Quest is blowing up, I'm getting all this public attention. And I break down in tears with Lisa because I'm like, no one's ever going to understand that you've made me a better man. And that I would not have been able to achieve this if it weren't for you. Because she was working, she was interfacing with the world through me. And I used to tease her and say, you're like my Lady Macbeth. Because she was always pushing me to do more, be more, go for more. No, that's not enough. Get paid more, get more of the company, like really aggressive. And more aggressive than I would have been, but always through me. And so I was like, wow, like she's really pushed me to be a better person.

• 23:56Tom Bilyeu?

  And I was like, she knows the way to me is to reward me, to say sexually like misses the seduction of it all, but to look at me like I'm powerful and to express like sexual excitement to me when she views me as powerful. Like then it's like, ooh, I want to be powerful all the time because I love the way that she looks at me, treats me, fawns on me like, yo, this is really working. And so I would tell her like, hey, this really works for me, like more of this. And she's like, cool, you want more of this? Like keep doing this incredible thing that you just did, right? And so we would laugh about it and be like, oh my God, we're hilarious. Because we can talk so openly about the way that we're nudging each other, influencing each other and it's awesome.

• 24:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And so it is very clear to me that some very large portion of my success is due to my wife's ability to be turned on by me when I'm powerful and to be able to articulate the thing she thinks that I should go and get and then to reward me when I get it. I mean, it's just like this incredible feedback loop. And so now I'm like, oh, I look at men and women today and I'm like, not only do they not do that, they think it's like toxic or trash or like, I don't need no man and all this stuff. And I'm like, oh my God, like you guys are gonna drive off of fucking cliffs because evolution assumes you will have the influence of the other. And when you don't have the influence

• 25:23Tom Bilyeu?

  of the other, women go like full Karen, they go into like super bitchy mode, nobody's checking their emotions and being like, hey, just because you feel that way, you should not be acting in that way. That's not going to move you towards your goals. And then men are like fucking failure to launch because they don't think they can get laid. And so it's like, and as soon as you say, uh, boys and girls, men send rockets to the moon to get laid, people are gonna freak out. But it's like, that is, what's happening? Evolution cares about one thing and one thing only, that you have kids that survive long enough to have kids. Guess how you have kids? You have sex. So, oh man, like people have just gotten really off track with reality. It's wild.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Uh, one thing from chat, you stigmatized a behavior and associated it with women. That's not cool, bro.

• 26:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Sorry. There it is. Women can be pathological. Guess what? Men can be pathological. I'm going to associate violence with men. It's bad. There it is. There it is. I could not have less remorse. People need to wake up to what pathological men look like and what pathological women look like. We need to understand, I mean, let's use some woo wee words here. What does the sacred feminine look like? What does the sacred masculine look like? Let's talk about it. Let's, let's define these terms. So we know what we're trying to aim at. There are bad things that are associated with women. There are bad things that are associated with men. And if we pretend like there's not, then everything is going to be wacky.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Somebody said, when you said what's the sacred woman, what's the sacred man look like? So I put unprotected sex. Can't get it.

• 27:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Rudicis, Rudicis.

• 27:08Tom Bilyeu?

  That tickled me. All right.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  Super chat from Tim Riley. Peter D. Amanda says that AI means everyone will have to be an entrepreneur. My dad ran 18 nursing homes and sold because he couldn't find anyone to replace him. He believes not everyone's built that way. How do we reconcile this?

• 27:25Tom Bilyeu?

  That is facts. You probably reconcile that with

• 27:31Tom Bilyeu?

  some sort of,

• 27:34Tom Bilyeu?

  what do you call it, services for all, universal services, something like that? Yeah. So, I mean, look, the only thing I know is that the way that AI actually plays out is going to surprise me. So whatever I say is merely directional, it isn't going to be accurate.

• 27:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Not everybody's built to be an entrepreneur, but this is why I'm doing Zero to Founder inside of Impact Theory University. Is I know how many people are going to be forced during the transitionary period into, at a minimum, becoming their own contractor, having to understand how to hustle a business, all that stuff. And then this really is going to be a golden age for small scale entrepreneurs. So it's going to be really demoralizing though, for people that they don't want that. They want to fold into an organization and transitionary periods are brutal.

• 28:26Tom Bilyeu?

  There's just no way around that. Every time you look back at like major revolutions, like the industrial revolution or the electrification of America, cars, like it completely disrupts industries, but nobody cries for the lamplighters who lost their job. You just go, I prefer having electricity. And so we all have to bear some of that burden. It just is what it is. So now will AI slow down? Maybe. And if it slows down, like if we can just integrate AI over 20 years instead of five, that would be a lot better, but.

• 29:03Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know that it's going to slow down. And so if it doesn't slow down, then it's like, well, this is coming fast and it's going to be very disruptive and people are going to be very upset. And in a time of increasing inequality, that would not be the perfect scenario. That would be, there will be some bad. How bad that it gets, I don't know. But given that men are already at right now today, 16% unemployment. That's insane. 12% of them, by the way, this is prime working age men. This is not including men that are rightfully retired. Prime working age men, 16% unemployed. That's crazy.

• 29:43Tom Bilyeu?

  12% of them aren't even trying to get jobs. Prime working age men, 12%. That's nuts.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  Is it one of those things where?

• 29:52Tom Bilyeu?

  That's going to go up.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  You say people need to get chased by a lion. Is this going to be the wake up call where somebody who might not be an entrepreneur has to kind of figure it out because otherwise they're not making?

• 30:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, and some people will make that leap. But many people will, they won't thrive because they weren't raised to be chased by a lion. And much to my dismay, your childhood matters more than anything else that's ever going to happen to you. I hate that that is true, but that is true. The only thing that competes with it are your genetics. Your genetics are probably a little more important, not by a lot. You can really break somebody, just fuck them up emotionally when they're a kid and they never recover. I really despise that that is true, that that's how the brain develops. But it really does. Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come after this short break from our sponsors.

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• 31:46Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. Thanks for sticking with us. Let's jump right back in.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Benjamin Netanyahu just called the bombing of the journalist a mishap.

• 31:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, is this the one where there's live footage of it happening? Cause I saw that this morning. I just don't know if they're the same incident. Like people were at a hospital. They were like trying to get a journalist's body out or something. And then they literally just shot the hospital, right? On fucking camera, like they're hanging off the side of the building. It's not hanging off, but like broken staircase or trying to do something and then boom, just toasted cheese. It was wild.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  It's almost like.

• 32:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Is it the same thing?

• 32:18Speaker 02

  I believe it's the same thing. Yes. I haven't seen that video that you're talking about specifically, but.

• 32:22Tom Bilyeu?

  It's wild. Wild.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  And I don't know what timeline I'm in right now where I'm agreeing with Alex Jones, but here it goes. Breaking Benjamin Netanyahu now claims the two bombs dropped on one of the only remaining hospitals that he hadn't blown up yet in Gaza was a quote unquote mishap. That's the equivalent of saying it was just a fender bender.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  And then this is his tweet from yesterday. Israel deeply regrets the tragic mishap that occurred today at Nasser Hospital in Gaza. Israel values the work of journalists, medical staff and all civilians. The military authorities are conducting a thorough investigation. Our wars with Hamas terrorists, our just goals are defeating Hamas and bringing our hostages home.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that's not going to get anybody anywhere. So, I mean, look. Yeah, the Israel Palestine thing. On this, maybe it was an accident. Maybe we're just in such an aggressive posture that this kind of stuff is happening all the time. This one just happened to be caught on camera. It happened to be a hospital. But, oh man.

• 33:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I almost need more specific questions to be able to answer this. This is like, uh, okay. Do we want to take this from a Realpolitik angle? Do we want to talk about total war? Uh, I'm certainly not going to defend Israel from a moral perspective. Uh, obviously that's immoral. They're doing ethnic cleansing at a bare fucking minimum. That's immoral. There's almost certainly war crimes of up, down, left, right, BA, select start, like everywhere, everywhere. And at the same time, from a Realpolitik lens, it's like, if you're going to keep poking your neighbor, who is far superior to you in firepower, they are eventually going to wipe you the fuck off a map. And so I don't know how or why we started pretending that that's not a thing.

• 34:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, I think cameras, quite honestly. So cameras made us think that that's not what people do. And yep, go ahead, scream moral outrage. It won't matter. Like, once the country has decided, um, I'm not going to put up with this anymore. You're just going to keep getting bombed. And so, uh, they're playing a very strategic international game where it's like, they know what partners they have to keep sweet. And if they have to fund the life out of them, or give them technology deals, or all of the above, then they're going to do that. And so this is where I'm like, let, let's, we can have this conversation at so many different levels. Is it amoral? Yes. Is it evil? Yes.

• 34:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, is it going to continue? Yes. Should we be expecting anything else? No. Uh, should Hamas have attacked on October 7th? No.

• 35:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So I, I'm not sure like how to help people through this. Because in the final, final, final analysis, the only thing that matters is who's.

• 35:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Able and willing to kill the other more.

• 35:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Period. So it's like, fuck, man.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  Is this a pathological man?

• 35:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, for sure. For sure. Like, this is collision of values. This is you've got people who are believe in one God versus people who believe in another God. And fuck you, my God is more real, and so I'm gonna kill you. There is, uh, this is my land. No, it's my land. Fuck you, I'm gonna kill you. Uh, this is you killed my brother, you killed my brother, fuck you, I'm gonna kill you. Like, these are all the things that are at play, which is why this stuff is so untenable. There is, um, I, I always like to imagine where I would be if China had invaded California and my property was on the Chinese side of this. And would I be like, oh, yeah, it's fine. Like, you just gotta move on, bro.

• 36:16Tom Bilyeu?

  And here's the really bad answer. There is a number of years that if they go by, I would be like, yeah, we just have to move on. And I would be voting aggressively. I lost my property, and I'm telling you right now, at some point, we just have to look forward. And so either mount the most catastrophic military offense against China, or shut the fuck up and move on. Now, I can't claim that I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one, but my family, my wife's family technically, live in Cyprus. And some of them lived in the north of Cyprus. And they literally thought, oh, I'm going to a refugee camp for the weekend. Only to 50 years later, they still don't have their property back.

• 36:58Tom Bilyeu?

  And there are other families that have raised kids in their houses, and sorry, fuck you, you get nothing. Uh, and it was devastating. You can still get them to start crying if you bring it up. Like, this is, this is a real trauma in that family. And my answer is, you gotta move forward. And what did they do? They moved forward. So do they still wanna see a political solution? Yes, but are they willing to, um, spend bloodshed? Absolutely not. So, ah, God, this is all so ugly and so gross and so obvious and predictable from the human animal. That I, I, um...

• 37:38Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know how else to approach it. I would fight like hell if China invaded today. And then if enough people died, admittedly, I'm gonna be like, you gotta fucking let it go. It's just not worth it anymore.

• 37:51Tom Bilyeu?

  That's what war does. And that, that is specifically what Israel is trying to do. They are trying to, despite all the international pressure, we are going to break their will to fight. And

• 38:04Tom Bilyeu?

  for everybody that says, well, you're just gonna create more Hamas. They're like, word, then we will just kill more Hamas. And so it's like, everybody, yeah, everybody wants there to be like the, oh, you don't understand that you're just gonna create more Hamas. And I'm like, you just don't understand that they will just keep killing them because they have fucking had enough. So, and I'm hap- we can also talk about, should Israel have ever come into existence? They ran a playbook, man. They ran a playbook and that playbook was import, import, import, import, import. And get political and economic power and you become a nation. Now, had Palestine been fighting back against that at that time? I'd have been like, yeah, well, motherfuckers, you rolled up in their territory.

• 38:48Tom Bilyeu?

  They're gonna feel some kind of way. I look at Britain, fighting back against Islamist extremists. Yep, I get it. I get why they're mad as hell and they don't want it anymore. Totally understand. There will come a day where if they don't solve this now and the UK becomes a Muslim dominant country, where I'm gonna be like, yo, the old school English, you need to chill the fuck out. Like you lost, you had your shot, you blew it. Like, don't keep fucking bloodshedding, bloodshedding, bloodshedding. But I get that they're still going to. So it's like, what do you do?

• 39:26Tom Bilyeu?

  You, the only answer is, you've got to get to the point where everybody cares more about their kids' future than they care about whatever thing they're fighting over. And so you just go, cool, what do we do now? But country, dude, when you watch a map of borders changing over time, like sped up, borders change a lot. Spain used to be a Muslim country. Something violent happened and now it's not. So.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Something violent happened and now all the Muslims disappeared. I don't know, I don't know how to fill that gap.

• 40:00Tom Bilyeu?

  This is what humans do, man, and it is as ugly and grotesque as people think. But it's what we do. That's not me excusing it. That's just me like sitting here like fuck. The only thing you can do is learn these lessons and draw your boundaries aggressively now. So you don't find yourself in that position. But it is, it is a brutal thing. We, we came and killed a whole bunch of Native Americans.

• 40:26Tom Bilyeu?

  We took this shit.

• 40:30Tom Bilyeu?

  There's also that. And it is moronic to say, uh, we're on stolen land. We should be giving it back. We're not going to, by the way, but like feel guilty, feel guilty. That's stupid. So. Yep, that's where we're at.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  All right, let's jump into some react content because I am not.

• 40:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Wait, hold on. I'm always shocked.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  I am not.

• 40:53Tom Bilyeu?

  There has to be some response. You don't want to go into this?

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 40:57Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Honestly, not a lot. There's, there's a lot of people just not liking the Jews.

• 41:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Wait, we have a, a no like the Jews crowd?

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 41:07Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm always sad about it.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  We don't have any crowd. Our crowd is fantastic. I think we should move.

• 41:12Tom Bilyeu?

  I feel like Drew, what were we talking about earlier with like, there's lying? And then there's just not talking about something. All right.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  I'm being the politician in this.

• 41:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, moving on. Well, there it is.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  This Florida mom revealed that her son was nominated by his teacher to be most likely to become a dictator. Because he was a conservative and liked World War II history. The teacher also allowed students to label him a Nazi file.

• 41:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Having fun yet?

• 41:36Speaker 04

  My son, six years old, was prohibited from sitting next to his friend on the school bus. Because a parent objected to my perspectives on book challenges. My older son's history teacher allowed students to label him a Nazi file. Simply for his interest in history and participation in ROTC. She later nominated my son as the most likely to become a dictator. And had his classmates vote on it and try to force him to the front of the class to receive the certificate. Which he rightly refused. All because of his conservative values. And our perspectives.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 42:06Tom Bilyeu?

  I really want to know like how old her son is. For some reason, when I first watched this, I thought that he was really young. And then by the end, I was like, maybe he was like in high school or something. But this is wild, man. This is wild. People are so convinced that they're right. It really drives me crazy. I think school teachers should view themselves as representing facts and trying to represent the people in their district. Now, you're never going to be able to like go, everyone's going to think one way. And so you just present what they think. But trying to remember how much of this stuff really needs to be reserved for the parents.

• 42:46Tom Bilyeu?

  And we've somehow lost that. Like, we think that we're in a battle for the soul of the children and that the way to do it is to centralize it. And that we all know best is the government or the school board or whatever. That is crazy to me. Kids are, and this is a word people are gonna hate. But kids are the property of their parents, man. They are not the property of the government. So the government is there to help the parents, not the other way around. So yeah, I am really wound up by this kind of thing.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  And the video says she's sick, he's sick, the son.

• 43:15Tom Bilyeu?

  The kid. She tried to get a six year old?

• 43:19Speaker 03

  She said ROTC and since when her six year old's

• 43:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  program?

• 43:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Facts.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Maybe he was 16?

• 43:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Are there two different kids? I vaguely remember that she has two different kids and she's referencing like different things. So yeah, I would be very surprised if you're trying to get a six year old to come up because you're most likely to be a dictator. Like at that age, you're thinking, oh, I've got to like switch this kid up. I've got to propagandize him. At a 16 year old, they're pushing back, they're being a dick. Like then you feel like, okay, I gotta like really bully this kid. I would be utterly shocked if the person was so deranged that they're doing that to a six year old. But as a parent, Drew, how would you feel about that? Like whatever your view is, the teacher's doing the opposite. How would you feel?

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a tough one. Because I have learned, and I, please, I'm sorry, all the teachers in the chat. I have learned that I don't necessarily respect teachers as much as I did growing up.

• 44:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow. Because they're propaganda machines or for some other reason?

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Because their egos are fragile. And I feel like in a position of leading children, you should be the bigger person in the room. My daughter goes to mostly Caucasian school. She's in the Phoenix School District. So there has been a lot of instances where somebody would talk down to my child in a way that they weren't talking down necessarily to other children.

• 44:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Students or teachers?

• 44:48Speaker 02

  Teachers, like a teacher.

• 44:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Like, there was a teacher who had a beef with my daughter. And I'm like, she gets good grades. I thought that was the only requirement. Well, still, she should still be more respectful when she comes in. She should do this. And there were certain things that I think the teacher was projecting onto her that didn't necessarily were at its core. And mind you, this was in first grade. So this is not like, we're talking about 14-year-old Lynn who has an attitude sometimes, and I get that. We're talking about seven-year-old who's like, I just was tired this morning. Like, you know what I mean?

• 45:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  So dealing with the volatility in that side was.

• 45:21Tom Bilyeu?

  But what about the indoctrination stuff? That's what I have a beef with.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  It hit me, I have a specific story. I was trying to avoid saying it, but it hit me in third grade. Because my daughter came home and was like, yeah. Or this was the first Trump presidency when Biden was like 2020. She was like,

• 45:45Speaker 02

  President Trump is trying to take away women's rights to have babies.

• 45:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Your daughter said that?

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Yes. And at this point, I was just like, well, I mean, do you know what you're just saying? She's like, yeah, well, a woman should have the right to decide what they do with their body.

• 45:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  I'm like, so they should be like, hold on, do you under? So I had to kind of sit her down like, wait, you're clearly telling me things that somebody else told you, and I can tell that you're talking through them.

• 46:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  But that's from me as a parent. That's when I kind of had to step in like, oh, okay, look. Some people do have a right to do whatever they want. So should they, if they want to get abortion, they should be able to get an abortion. But that doesn't mean that I personally might support abortion. Or because of my religious values, I feel like we should try to figure out other ways to help the child versus just kind of killing it. But if a woman wants to, she's a grown woman, da, da, da. So I kind of had to give her the context of the background. And she was like, oh, okay, I get that. And that's why I'm like. I understand that teachers, again, they are a bit more beholden. They like the feedback of I can talk to these people. I can tell them what they want and they'll believe me and I'm the smartest person in the room. They kind of like that ego boost in that way, but at the same time, that doesn't absolve the parents responsibility of like, nah, you still have to fight back and push back against it because

• 46:53Speaker 02

  there are kids, um, one of her friends, like their parents checked out, they would drop off, they wouldn't check their homework. The dude was like messing up in class and like, I used to coach Lynn's soccer team, so I knew him from the soccer team. So I always would ask about him. And that at like kids like those who I know they don't have that necessarily family support, they're a hundred percent just getting indoctrinated and indoctrinated by the system because nobody is going to have that conversation that I had them like, hey, wait, hold on, sit down like, what are you actually saying? Like, what did she say? In what context was she talking about? What did she tell you? And I had to kind of go below the surface or it's just like, oh, my teacher said it. So it's right. Just like two plus two equals four. Um, Donald Trump is a Nazi. Yep. You do, do, you know what I mean? They just walk around like that. So there, there is that interaction, but it's, I don't know, talking to the school district, I feel like you're now trying to embarrass that teacher.

• 47:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  It's a, yeah, it's a

• 47:39Tom Bilyeu?

  I, I would go hard in the paint.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  You would go school district, get fired.

• 47:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh my God. I would be a nightmare. There's, so I have a real problem with authority.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And so when a teacher's like, I know better than you and I'm going to tell your kids what I believe is right. Uh, I would obviously first start very calm. Hey, let's not do that stuff. If they push back, dude, I would go nuclear. Now, I'm not a yell scream guy.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I would be very surgical, but ooh buddy, uh, I would be doing deep dives at the school. Every time they had a meeting, I, yeah, I would be their worst nightmare. I'd be calm, collected, non-emotional and extremely.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  Deep dives at the school meeting.

• 48:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro, I, I would go full parental, like start a group, getting people organized, like, yeah, that, that I will not abide. Like when people think that they know better for my life than I know, nope, nope, nope. Like that. Just like, uh, Trump saying you can't burn the flag made me want to burn the flag. Which is wild because that's like, I love America.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, I just do not like people telling me what I can and cannot do with, I'm already love the law. Yay. But like, people telling me what I can and can't do with something like that. Ooh, buddy. So, yeah, uh, I would not be okay with that.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  I, I, I feel like that's where I kind of broke against Gavin Newsom is like, yeah, I was like homeless is here, but there's homeless everywhere and it's not his fault and this is fine. And I would kind of give excuses for why California is where it's at. But then when they passed that bill that teachers can sidestep parents and get, put them on puberty blockers. And I was just like, I can understand if it's like, there's CPS, the kids are getting beaten at home. Yes, you gotta go directly to the, I, I get that. No beef with that. But the fact that I could put you on a medical intervention plan and not tell the parent.

• 49:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Technically, I don't think that's what the California law says. But what it does say, in my understanding, is that the kid can start living, uh, like at school, under a different name, wanting to be called by a different gender. And then they can say like, hey, this is fine. And they don't have to tell the parents. So they can say, we'll keep this a secret from your parents. That's when I was like, nope. Keeping it a secret from your parents, that is fucking terrible.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  It's weird.

• 49:51Tom Bilyeu?

  No way. That, yeah, that is a level of insanity that I cannot fathom that people go for that. Like, that's really wild to me. Yeah, I would have, uh, boy, I would have beef with that, Drew. I would have real beef with that.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, speaking of trans, a park, uh, ranger, park security guard, they're park.

• 50:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, is that the same person? No.

• 50:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Is that the same person?

• 50:13Speaker 02

  That is the same person.

• 50:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Really?

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Uh, a transgender nine binary biologist hung a transgender pride flag from El Capitan and got fired from their job.

• 50:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh wait, hold on, I'm confused. So which one is the more up to date photo? The one on the right. Okay, but on the left, she looks very feminine.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Uh, makeup and a beard?

• 50:33Tom Bilyeu?

  But, hold on. So she has transitioned and taken testosterone, but now looks like a man dressing up like a woman. That's the part that I don't understand. So she was all, are we sure about this?

• 50:48Speaker 02

  This is the before and after.

• 50:50Tom Bilyeu?

  A hundred percent, we know that's factual. This doesn't seem possible, Drew. I don't understand. So, and I, and I mean this legitimately from I am confused. So we have a woman.

• 51:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Who has transitioned into being a man.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  I'mma say the nine.

• 51:07Tom Bilyeu?

  But dresses like a woman.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Calls that like, I think that's what breaks it is that they they're they, and I'm assuming pronouns. I don't see here. It probably went from she to they, not a she to he. So when it comes to the they, it's a.

• 51:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh huh. Okay, so this is more queer than I wanna be a woman. Cause she's already a woman.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Um, my LGBTQ gang in the chat might have to help me. I don't know queer is that definition. Um, but going back to the first.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Chad is saying they started as a man.

• 51:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, then what's with the the photo on the left? Because when I look at the photo on the right, I'm like a hundred percent grew up as a man. Look at that jaw. I'm jealous.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  When I see the left, I see a man. Who is presenting feminine. Or more.

• 51:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Really? I'd be totally bamboo.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  I feel like we're in a, uh, uh, um, what's into the speed.

• 52:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Chad, we're gonna need you guys in on this.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Uh, what?

• 52:03Speaker 03

  A pothole?

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Pothole. Yes, thank you.

• 52:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, wait. Edwin Rodriguez is saying we're falling for AI propaganda.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  We're in a pothole.

• 52:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, that's possible.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  This is not AI propaganda. This is not what we've been talking about. We're out here arguing about their jawline. The problem is, is that they hung a pride flag.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  Is natural.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Inside of the park and then let people sign in things like that. And then ended up getting fired. And.

• 52:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Right. So that part, sure, fine. Like if you're not, like if they have.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  Let's go back to the jawline though.

• 52:31Tom Bilyeu?

  But bro, that's so much more interesting. Like, uh, if you've got a rule that people can't hang a flag and then somebody hangs a flag, they're fucking fire them. Uh, like I just don't have any beef with that. This could be a, a save Tom Bilyeu flag. If they say you can't fly flags, then you can't fly flags, period. Um, but if they're like, you can fly any flag but a trans flag, then I would actually have beef with that. So like make a policy. It is what it is. But now back to our regularly scheduled programming where I try to understand what is happening. Does anybody know, like, people in the chat are saying, this is Tom trying to understand mental illness, but even if we want to categorize this as mental illness,

• 53:12Tom Bilyeu?

  you can still map it. So I'm just trying to map, like, what is, like, but look at that jaw, bro. That is a real jaw. You can't take testosterone and get that jaw. I'm sorry. There's no way. There's a lot of testosterone in the world and it will enlarge your jaw, but not like that. I mean, that's like, you had to already be a man. Like, have you seen the photos of, um, oh, God, who was that kid from High School Musical, went on to have a pretty good career? Come on. What? Zac Efron. Yes, thank you.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Oh, when he got the new jaw for Iron Cross.

• 53:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, that jaw. Like, that has got to be 100%, like, you took way too much testosterone? Cause he talks about, no, no, no, I broke my jaw. Uh huh. Like, this is a man who takes testosterone, but you don't start as a woman and take T and get a chin like that. No way.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a solid jaw.

• 54:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro got himself a jaw now.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Solid jaw. That was an emotional movie. Did you watch it?

• 54:07Tom Bilyeu?

  No. Is it good?

• 54:09Speaker 02

  It was good. I mean, for Zac Efron.

• 54:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa, we, Zac Efron, like, in Almost, or Seventeen Again? I was like, yo, this kid is legit.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  I loved that movie when I was like 16.

• 54:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro, Seventeen Again, he, he is funny. He is a funny actor, or was. I haven't seen him in a while, but like, that was where I was like, oh, I get why this kid is famous. Like, he's really gonna do something. Now, I've never seen High School Musical, so maybe, uh, people already knew about him, but that was the one that put him on my radar. And I was like, wow, for as young as he is, like, he can really do comedy. Uh.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  That almost remind me of the Sammy Sosa transformation.

• 54:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Sammy Sosa?

• 54:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. When Sammy Sosa turned.

• 54:46Tom Bilyeu?

  He get himself a jaw?

• 54:47Speaker 02

  He turned light skin.

• 54:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, we got a Michael Jackson thing going on?

• 54:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa, what? Wait, how? Is he bleaching his skin?

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, bleach. Uh, ad blocker disabled it, but yeah, he's super light now.

• 55:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa, that's wild. I had no idea.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, bleaching is crazy.

• 55:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Do they bleach their whole body? Does it hurt?

• 55:10Speaker 02

  I'm gonna be honest, it's way too prevalent in Caribbean communities. It's like a face.

• 55:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Can I borrow your charger? By the way, my computer just died.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  It's like a face cream, the one I'm like noticed and I have like a cousin who does it who like, you don't even get like a right complexion, it's weird.

• 55:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, is it like, uh, ooh, light skin is, that's, that's like higher, higher.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  White is right, and as close as I can get to that.

• 55:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Even in the Caribbean? What?

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did, it was all colonized, so you know, there's some kid who's like, oh man, the people who holding the whips, I want to be like that person, so that's who they aspire to be.

• 55:41Tom Bilyeu?

  That's accurate, but absolutely.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  He felt bad laughing, be honest, he felt bad laughing.

• 55:47Tom Bilyeu?

  When I, when I get to the gates of Helju, they're gonna be like, we'd like to pull a clip from your livestream. Uh, yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Uh, John Doe, some trans women get their jaws filed down to be less masculine, so why wouldn't masculine trans men get jaw augmentation to appear more masculine? I thought you can get like a pumped up jaw, I didn't, I wasn't surprised.

• 56:06Tom Bilyeu?

  If you take testosterone, it is gonna thicken your jaw, but if you're a woman, you're not gonna go that far. Like, look at that, there's just not enough tea in the world. Now, if they, maybe they did and they shaved it down, I don't know.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  That reminds me of, um, uh, Kendall, who's the mom of Kardashian?

• 56:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, Chris.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Chris, Kris Jenner.

• 56:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Nicely done.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 56:30Tom Bilyeu?

  I actually had a meeting with Kris Jenner.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Really?

• 56:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  People talking about Kris Jenner's new face.

• 56:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro, this is.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  She look, she look younger than her daughter.

• 56:40Tom Bilyeu?

  You can say what you want, but goddamn, she's gotta be in her 60s. Bro, yes please? Like, whatever the male version of that is, I'm finna do it. I'll warn you all right now, there is gonna be some period where I'm like, hey guys, I have to go dark for a month or however long it takes you, you know, cuz I'm coming back.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  I'm going live with my dad, did you?

• 57:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, I, that is gangster, how do you do that? That is deal with the devil shit. That is the portrait of Dorian Gray, like, that is wild, and I'm here for it, I am here for it. That, dude, how did she pull that off? That's crazy, that's crazy, so, she's, she's 84 to 85. If that's 84 to 85, double down, double, I'm doing it twice? Drew, come on though, are you not impressed?

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Any Kardashian surgery, absolutely. Cause to me, they're the Michael Jordan of plastic surgery. Like Kim had a small butt, big butt, yeah, but like lip fillers on an old woman, they look terrible.

• 57:45Tom Bilyeu?

  A hundred percent. I'm saying just this, I'm talking about like literally until I saw that image, I was like, look, I might have some minor shit done, but I would never go ham. Once I saw that, I was like, yep, sign me up. Can I start paying for it now?

• 57:57Speaker 02

  I would, she looks good today.

• 57:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Damn, that looks so good. I am shocked.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  I know, but then in like 12 months, something will start sagging.

• 58:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. And if that's real, and if that's all bad, then yeah, forget it. But like,

• 58:13Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm very impressed.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  That, that reminds me of Little Kim. I don't know why I'm dunking on a bunch of like, Little Kim's face, like her face is crazy now because she had, she had.

• 58:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Madonna is the one that scares the life out of me.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  I didn't see, I didn't see, I didn't see new Madonna.

• 58:29Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Madonna look crazy now?

• 58:31Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 58:32Speaker 02

  I only seen old pictures of Madonna.

• 58:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh my God, pull this up. This is like, this is a catastrophe. This is like, it needs to be like, there needs to be an intervention.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 58:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Or she needs to get the updated, no, no, no, you gotta just do like before and after. Cause, okay, that, that is an unreasonably flattering version of what is.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, hold on.

• 58:51Tom Bilyeu?

  There we go. There we go. Uh huh.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  But that's what I'm, it's a slippery slope.

• 58:56Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a slippery slope, bro. That, yeah, but whatever Kris Jenner's doing, I wanna slide home to that, Drew. Holy shit. Now, look, I just assumed that it's been faked or like that there's filters on it or something, but if she looks like that in real life, holy bejesus.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 59:16Tom Bilyeu?

  That, yeah. Astro, Magnus, I agree.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Somebody please protect.

• 59:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, Miley Cyrus is starting to scare me a little bit too, Marusha.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Lindsay Lohan had a whole new face. She didn't even look the same.

• 59:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, but she looks good.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  She looks great.

• 59:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, I really want her to have a comeback. She got that new movie Freaky or Friday or whatever.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Her face should last at least two, three years. She gotta make a run right now. She gotta go.

• 59:37Tom Bilyeu?

  We have two different avenues for Impact Theory University. The first part of Impact Theory University is for people that are trying to start their first company. Definitely check that out. I think with what's going on with AI, like people are really gonna be.

• 59:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Not necessarily in trouble, but people are going to find themselves in a transitional moment. So that's for anybody that wants to start something from scratch. On the billion dollar CEO side, that's for if you're already doing a million dollars in revenue, we keep these two separate for very specific reasons. They have different problems. They're at different parts of their journey. So the BD CEO side is for people that are already doing a million dollars and are trying to scale. The interesting thing about billion dollar CEO is that everybody thinks what they need to learn is the marketing and sales techniques, and you do have to learn those. But what stops people from running a company is what we were talking about earlier, the VMG. So if you don't understand VMG, then you are really going to be in a problem. And so teaching people how to think from

• 1:00:36Tom Bilyeu?

  first principles, how to execute no matter what the problem is, that you can actually get down to first principles and build up a solution from there. It's completely unique. It is really, there's nothing like it out there on the market. First of all, because there are very few entrepreneurs that have had the kind of success that I've had, but also want to teach. So for anybody that can hear my voice right now, if that's you, if you're doing over a million dollars in revenue, try this program out. It is unlike anything else that's out there. No matter what industry you're in, no matter what problem that you're struggling with, we're going to be able to help you. So looking forward to having you guys join that. We'll be doing another masterclass in the future, but if you want to get in right now, you've just got to sign up. So there should be a link

• 1:01:18Tom Bilyeu?

  in chat. If we've not dropped the link in chat, please do that. And hopefully I will see you guys on the inside. All right. With that, everybody, I hope that you guys have an incredible intervening week and a half. Much love to everybody.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Happy Labor Day weekend.

• 1:01:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. Happy Labor Day weekend. In fact, thank you guys all for joining us and we will see you next time here live, Tom Bilyeu Show. All right, everybody. Peace out.

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