#569 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comedian and podcaster. His new special “LIFE” is streaming now on Netflix, and you can also check out his podcasts “Flagrant” and “Brilliant Idiots”. Andrew Schulz returns to talk about his new life as a dad, the showdown with Logan Paul at Madison Square Garden, and why he thinks politicians will always lag behind culture. Andrew Schulz: https://www.instagram.com/andrewschulz/ ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ DraftKings: Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code THEO to play $5, get $50 in Pick 6 credits. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. https://draftkings.com Acorns: Go to http://acorns.com/theo or download the Acorns app to get started. BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp — Go to http://betterhelp.com/theo to get 90% off your first week! Shopify: Go to http://shopify.com/theo to sign up for your $1-per-month trial period today! Vanta: Go to http://vanta.com/theo to get $1,000 off! ------------------------------------------------- Gambling Problem? Call one eight hundred gambler. Help is available for problem gambling. Call eight eight eight seven eight nine seven seven seven seven, or visit c c p g dot org in Connecticut. Must be eighteen plus, age and eligibility restrictions vary by jurisdiction. Pick6 not available everywhere, including New York and Ontario. Void where prohibited. One per new customer. Bonus awarded as non-withdrawable Pick Six Credits that expire in fourteen days. Limited time offer. See terms at pick six dot draftkings dot com slash promos. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Colin https://instagram.com/colin_reiner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Theo Von?

  I have some tour dates to tell you about. We'll be coming to College Station, Texas, Belton, Texas, Oxford, Mississippi, Tuscaloosa, Alabama, Chicago, and Miami. All tickets at theovon.com/ t o u r. Make sure to not go to any secondhand site. Um, just go through the links at theovon.com/ t o u r. Today's guest is a stand-up comedian. He's a podcaster. Um, he has a new special called Life on Netflix. It is miraculously done. I'm very thankful to have him return to the podcast. Today's guest is Mr. Andrew Schultz.

• 1:01Theo Von?

  Good to see you, man.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Good to see you too.

• 1:03Theo Von?

  Congratulations on the child.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  Thank you, bro. Appreciate that. Congratulations on all your success.

• 1:08Theo Von?

  Thanks, man. Yeah, I appreciate it, dude. I saw, um, I'm like seventeen minutes into your special right now.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Oh, cool, cool, cool, cool.

• 1:14Theo Von?

  So, dude, the control you have on stage is, that's something I really admire. Like this, like, um, it's almost like a sharpshooter up there, kind of like. There's some, I don't know, but you're, the way you have this control on stage is something, uh, it's great.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Thank you, man. I appreciate that, brother.

• 1:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's cool, man. How many times you guys shoot? Twice?

• 1:36Speaker 01

  We did four shows. Yeah, two a night.

• 1:38Theo Von?

  Ah, that venue's so beautiful. It's shot so well. Who shot it?

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Thank you. Uh, so I had my guys do it, uh, like Shifty, Shifty edited. I'm messing, I forget the guys, who's the DP? And then Troy Miller was the director and, uh, yeah, it's tricky, like filming, filming stand-up is so tricky. Especially when you do these, you know, we're used to just kind of doing it all ourselves, so then you go do a special.

• 2:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  And you kind of realize that, like, each department is fighting against one another. Like, the video department wants to make it look beautiful. But making it look beautiful might make the audio sound bad.

• 2:14Theo Von?

  Ah.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  The audio department wants to make it sound beautiful. What makes it sound beautiful might mean your mic is really low in the room. So now the show could be shitty for the audience. You know what I mean? So there's like all these, like we had speakers, I don't know if you know, it's like in the front. Like usually a lot of times.

• 2:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, I saw you once, you had your foot up on it.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and like most people don't do that because the shot is more beautiful if you just have like raw stage. But I was like, I think that the special would be better if, if the audience enjoys it the most.

• 2:44Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  You know what I mean like?

• 2:45Theo Von?

  That's what I agree with that.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47Theo Von?

  Cause if they have fun, you have fun.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Exactly. I was like, there was, there was one, there was one, I think it was like show one. And there was like miscommunication or something. The camera guy was a really sweet guy, but like, he thought it was his job to just keep walking down the aisle and back up the aisle with the camera. And I'm like, bro, they gotta believe that this is kinda just happening. And when you walk in front of them with a camera, all the illusion kinda falls apart, right? They feel like they're part of a filming instead of like just part of this show. So yeah, that's the tricky, I wish I didn't even have to tell them we were filming.

• 3:17Theo Von?

  Yeah, ah.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like I.

• 3:20Theo Von?

  Right, just make it be a regular show.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  This is just a show. So if you guys yell out or do something, this is, this is natural as it could possibly be.

• 3:25Theo Von?

  Wonder if he could have probably could have done that in hindsight.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, earlier ones I was able to do that, but I think this one, I don't know, this one, maybe I was like nervous. I was like, fuck, I really wanna make sure that we could, you know, fill that place four times and, you know, I, I don't know.

• 3:38Theo Von?

  Huge venue, it's beautiful. What is that?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the beacon in New York.

• 3:41Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pretty.

• 3:43Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, this looks, I mean, I thought, I was like, this is unbelievable looking.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks, man.

• 3:49Theo Von?

  Yeah, you guys crushed it. Even the font that they chose for Andrew Schulz's life, I thought was perfect. There was just a lot of great choices, I thought.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the first, uh, the Netflix special, the, you know, the first thing that comes up on the black screen. That's actually my wife's handwriting.

• 4:04Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 4:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. She wasn't aware that that's what it was, but it was a, cause I don't know how far you are in the special yet, but most of it is this like journey of us trying to get pregnant.

• 4:15Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's where I'm at, I'm at to like, let me think, oh, after you saw the baby, but, it's, you haven't gone through the journey about getting pregnant, it's just the actual seeing the child, I guess.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  The C-section, the story and all that kinda stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:28Theo Von?

  Dude, it's incredible. Congrats.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Thanks, man. Thank you.

• 4:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, good to see you, man.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Good to see you, man. It's unbelievable, bro. Unbelievable.

• 4:35Theo Von?

  It's frickin' been a while, dude. You've been caught up in some beef? You were in the fucking rap beef? I was like, this dude, I thought you were gonna pop out at Super Bowl.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  You know, I was supposed to go to the Super Bowl. I was supposed to be part of the show.

• 4:48Theo Von?

  I was like, how wild is this shit gonna get?

• 4:50Speaker 01

  No, no, we were gonna go, actually. How about, you were there, right?

• 4:53Theo Von?

  No, I didn't go, man. I was, me and David Spade started making that movie and so we were, we had to shoot that.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  How's that going?

• 4:58Theo Von?

  It's interesting, man. It's done.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Do you like, do, cause I remember like years ago when we were doing the pod, there was a, you know, hopefully you don't feel bad about me sharing, but you had some frustration with like not being able to create these projects. Do you remember us having these conversations where you like, you really wanted to make a TV show and didn't feel like those doors were open? And now you're making this movie, you know, you're on top of the world. It must feel pretty cool.

• 5:21Theo Von?

  Well, I think we just did it ourselves. Nobody wanted to make it. We took it out. We took it to the streamers and we-

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Oh, you created your own movie?

• 5:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  You filmed it before even pitching it to them?

• 5:31Theo Von?

  We pitched it first.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:32Theo Von?

  Right. So we pitched it and nobody-

• 5:33Speaker 01

  No way.

• 5:34Theo Von?

  Oh dude, we couldn't get, and it was Spade, you know, I'm like-

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Even with you and Spade at this point in your career, there was still hesitation?

• 5:42Theo Von?

  I just felt like it would have been nice to feel some support there, you know? Like it just would have been like, hey, look, just even as a good faith thing, we'll do the, you know, something.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Also, you probably got PTSD too from like years of wanting to do these things and not really feeling it. And then like now you're at this point where you're on top of the world. You're like, all right, now everybody's gonna give me the opportunity. And then to still feel that, oh, that sucks.

• 6:05Theo Von?

  Yeah, but then I realized it's just how it, it's just life. Yeah, I think, I didn't feel like, I don't know if I felt on top, I felt like this was a brave thing we were trying to do.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:12Theo Von?

  It was a new thing I was learning, but I felt like with Spade, it kinda was gonna be okay because-

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Kinda no brainer.

• 6:18Theo Von?

  Right. He knows what he's doing.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  That's the other thing is like giving us money to make a movie, like we're kinda knuckleheads.

• 6:24Theo Von?

  It's kind of a bad idea.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. Like, like to us, it's a great idea. We're like, we'll figure it out. And they're like, have you done this before? And I'm like, nah, but it's just, it's a movie, right? It can't be that hard, right?

• 6:35Speaker 01

  But a guy like Spade, he's done it before, you know?

• 6:37Theo Von?

  Yeah, he'll fucking know. He's, he'll have the camera in his trunk of his car. Everything will be fine.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Gotta all figure it out.

• 6:42Theo Von?

  So-

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, why do we have that attitude? Like, we, we wanna make a movie and it costs $30 million and we're like, these fucking assholes. How dare they not give us $30 million even though we've proven we could do nothing? What is that about? What's in our, that's kinda on us a little bit.

• 7:00Theo Von?

  Oh, totally.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Is that narcissism? Is it ego?

• 7:04Theo Von?

  Well, I think I would never think, give me dirt, I would ne- like if they even try to do something like that, I'd be like, this is insane. But I think what I realized in it was, I just wanna do something if I can do it by myself, whether it's win or lose, it's like,

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:15Theo Von?

  I'd rather make it something small and then, and even if some like, was like, let, hey, come do it with us, or some studio, I don't wanna do that. It's like, I just wanna do something that it's like, okay, will people like this?

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:27Theo Von?

  Will they believe that I tried my best? Like, even if it's not that good, it's like, that's okay, I can just tell people that go to see it in advance, hey, I'm not gonna be that great in it, but it'll be a cool movie.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:38Theo Von?

  You know, like, I just don't wanna lie to, it's just like, as long as this is transparency, then I think it's fine.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  I think people admire those that take risks. I think that's almost like an American thing in general. We like risk takers. We like people who are brave. And I wonder if it's baked in our DNA a little bit, like, our family members that left their families around the world to never see them again for like, maybe an opportunity here.

• 8:00Theo Von?

  Right.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Like, I think that we're probably, we have like, the DNA of the biggest risk takers on the planet.

• 8:06Theo Von?

  Yeah, like Christopher Columbus, dude, like, what about his sister or whatever?

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Boring bitch.

• 8:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, she just got left in fucking wherever.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Probably lived a way better life. She's not learning Native American. She's just chilling.

• 8:18Theo Von?

  She's not over here lying to Indians for fucking, for lunch.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Just shows up, what do you mean, there's no gold?

• 8:25Theo Von?

  But dude, yeah, imagine taking off in a boat, you, people are like, where are you headed? You're like, I don't fucking, are you trying to be cool, right? Cause it's like your last day on the docks or whatever. You're like, I don't know, we'll figure it out when we get out there. Like, when we get out.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  You gotta, you gotta be selling the dream though. You're like, no, no, no, trust me.

• 8:40Theo Von?

  That's true.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Trust me, it's crazy over there. Yeah, they got everything.

• 8:44Theo Von?

  Women, you get out there, I heard that you get a couple miles out there, there's just a lot of women out there.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  They got them on the way. Yeah, you don't even have to make it the whole way. They got stops.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is a, so anyway, so I think, I think, like naturally, you know, you get a lot of success, there are gonna be people that enjoy seeing you fail or whatever it is, but unfortunately, I guess human beings, we got that in us a little bit, but um, I do also feel like the people that ride for you appreciate the risk that you'd be taking.

• 9:13Theo Von?

  Yeah. I do think all of us as comedians, I think they do. I think that's one of the reasons why comedians and podcasts maybe does well is because, well, for one, I think we try to s- This sounds fucking egomaniacal. I have no idea.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Well, say it, say it, say it.

• 9:27Theo Von?

  But no, I heard somebody say that, like, a lot of podcasters, they're just trying to figure out the truth. They just, they're not, like, wouldn't work for anybody. So it's like, you, if you ask somebody a question, it's just because you want to know. Usually. It's not because, like, there's a producer saying, let's, let's get this answer.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, curiosity is kind of punished in a way. But maybe it's because they'll put us on such a pedestal. They're like, you should know the answer to these things. It's like, well, I don't. And that's why this guy's here. Because I'm trying to figure out the answer to it. And I just want to know their take.

• 9:56Theo Von?

  Right. I might not even be able to communicate that well a rebuttal or grill them that well, but I just want to like.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  I want to grill them. I want to know what they think. And then I'll bring somebody else who thinks something different, and I'll ask them that. And, but yeah, that is, I guess, maybe some criticism. It's like, well, why'd you ask, why didn't you ask this question? Or why didn't you rebuke, rebuke that? And it's like, bro, I don't know. I don't know anything just yet.

• 10:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a politician. Like, I got in this own trap of just because of last year, we got to have some political people on the podcast. And I was like, then, dude, there was like, like, a month ago, I started thinking like, oh, I'm a political guy, right?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Did you feel like you had to be informed? Were you like reading Wall Street Girdle and shit?

• 10:35Theo Von?

  I just like, I thought like, because here was a crazy thing. People started coming up to me.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  A political guy?

• 10:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude. Well, people would come up to me and ask me about political shit. I was like.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Like, asking your take?

• 10:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude. I was like, I don't fucking know. I don't know, dude. Like, you know, or like, so, but then I started to realize, wow. People's perceptions are affected, like, how they see people, where they see them at and stuff. And then I was like, well, I do have some political thoughts. Like, most of them are just kind of regular people's kind of thoughts and ideas. Like, they're not super in-depth. But yeah, I think for like a week, I started smoking my own nuts and thinking, I was like, fucking, uh, J. Edgar Hoover, or somebody, you know?

• 11:13Speaker 01

  I actually think that, like, whatever your perception of your feelings are about something, that's actually more valuable than what the, like, factual truth is.

• 11:22Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Because most people aren't reading up on the factual truth.

• 11:25Theo Von?

  Right.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Like, you got to meet people where they are emotionally.

• 11:28Theo Von?

  That's a good point. And people are trusting their gut. So I think, yeah, when, when you do just talk to somebody, and you don't let the people, let people decide. Well, do I, do I think, like, I believe that guy? Do I, you know, and then they get to decide.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  And you might hate what that person says, but don't dismiss him because there might be a lot of people that feel that same way.

• 11:45Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of people, like, I've heard people say this a lot. They go, uh, They go, you know, the economy actually wasn't that bad, you know, under Biden, whatever it is. The economy, and it's like, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro. You can't tell somebody who feels the economy is bad that it's not bad.

• 12:02Theo Von?

  That's a good point.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Right? Like, they, if they feel like the eggs are expensive, that's what they feel. It's like, I always say this, like, if I get into an argument with my wife, like, I do something to piss her off. And, um, like, she doesn't want me to explain to her why she shouldn't be upset. Right? Like, that never works. Right? Like, I know you're upset, but you shouldn't be because of these reasons. She's like, fuck you. She just wants me to be like, hey, my bad, I'm sorry I made you feel that way. And I feel like our whole political discourse, and I don't know anything about politics, but I feel like the whole political discourse is just like, you're wrong because, and then the other side going, you're wrong because, and then it's just shows set up to dunk on one another. Like, there's no good faith conversation. And the second we're out here having like a good faith conversation, like, we bring somebody on and we're just like, all right, so what do you feel about the world?

• 12:47Speaker 01

  People go to us like, you fucking asshole. How dare you not dunk on that guy? How dare you not humiliate him on your podcast so I can feel good at home? It's crazy, right?

• 12:59Theo Von?

  And you can't win, like, we had, like, Candace Owens and Hasan Piker, they're like different sides of the aisle last week, right?

• 13:06Speaker 01

  You had, you like, Rogan had Ian Carroll, and you had Candace on, like, I think the same day.

• 13:11Theo Von?

  It was a tough, tough week for Israel.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Jews stayed inside. Jews went to the tunnels.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Everybody into the tunnels.

• 13:21Theo Von?

  Put the mattresses back in, son. We gotta figure, we gotta regroup. But dude, I didn't fucking, I thought, well, somebody from the left and somebody from the right, right? But I didn't.

• 13:32Speaker 01

  Bro, sorry to go, go.

• 13:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, I had no, I was just like, okay, let's, let's hear some different thoughts and different opinions or whatever.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  That's the other thing I realized, like, I think it was after the last special, right? I was like, okay, you know what, I'm gonna kind of chill, like, I want to spend time with my family, my friends, like, I, like, I'm not gonna go out and do as many, like, pods and stuff like that, you know, I got a lot of work that I'm doing at home. And, uh, And I don't know what that, like, I'm not saying I'm famous, but I don't know what the fuck like it is to be fa- like, I never wanted to be famous. Like, I knew that that might have been like a byproduct of having success in comedy, but it wasn't like, I never like studied being famous. Like, I didn't give a fuck about like how to be a famous person. Does that make sense?

• 14:09Theo Von?

  We, I mean, well, who knew that podcasts would have such, would be, uh, and clips of podcasts would get out so much.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Would be huge, right?

• 14:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  So like, I remember I was like, okay, I'm not, I'm, I'm just gonna chill. I'm like, I'm not gonna be doing as many pods, etc. And, uh, that's the thing that I realized, like, having different voices on your pod doesn't really do anything for your, for the people's perception of you that aren't your fans.

• 14:32Theo Von?

  Wait, say it one more time so I hear it.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  So like, so we prob- I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but like, we probably think like, I'm gonna have different voices on my podcast. And like, one, I'm curious and I wanna know what they think, but two, I, I wanna also like, let the people out there in the world know, like, I care about hearing from different people.

• 14:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  And I care about having diversity of thought on my podcast, right?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  The people that don't know you, the casuals, are just judging you by the worst thing you've ever had on your podcast.

• 14:56Theo Von?

  Right.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  And the worst thing you've ever said, right? I didn't realize this until recently. The, the best way to like thwart those perceptions of you is not by having people on your show, 'cause the casuals don't watch your show. It's by going to your biggest critic's show.

• 15:12Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  And sitting down with them. Or, or not even your biggest critic, but like going to somebody who like might have a very different like worldview than you. And then you guys sit down and realize, oh shit, we actually don't have that different worldview.

• 15:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  That was all perception.

• 15:24Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Anyway, I think a lot of times we go, okay, we're really busy. It's like hard for us to go around and do different shows and that kinda stuff. Because I, I think our perception is, is not going like, how can I be the most famous person? Like, I don't give a fuck. I wanna make the coolest stand-up that I possibly can. I wanna hang out with my friends and I wanna talk to them, share on podcasts. Like, that's enough for me.

• 15:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  But I've realized the importance now of going to other people's homes and having those conversations. You know, like, we had Hassan on our pod. It probably would've been more beneficial for me to also go on his stream and talk to him. And let him bring up shit that I said and like tell me, have, have him tell me like why I'm missing this like nuanced point and be like, oh, that's interesting. Like that might actually be better for the people that barely understand me or don't even know me.

• 16:08Theo Von?

  I see what you're saying.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  To have like a more holistic view of of me and like understand who I am.

• 16:12Theo Von?

  Right, to actually go into their world a little bit more.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz then you find things about me that might not come up on the pod.

• 16:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Like you start asking me things about like how I feel about, you know, I don't know, whatever it is. I don't know if it's fucking like Marxism or some shit like that. And I go, oh, yeah, maybe that actually that kind of sounds good on paper.

• 16:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  I don't know. It'd be nice if there was a little bit more equality for people and people who had nothing had the ability to come up. That'd be pretty cool.

• 16:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, a little light Marxism, yeah.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Just light. Nah, you know what I mean? Hey, you gotta cut it with something. You got, you need majority capitalism, you know? It's like a cappuccino, you know what I mean? You can't have, we're not taking espresso shots of Marxism, you know what I mean?

• 16:49Speaker 01

  We like capitalism.

• 16:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, just a fucking latte. Just, yeah, half-caf.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 16:56Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah. Damn, dude. Yeah, I don't know. It's all, it's definitely been, well, mainstream media just got so like, I don't know. The whole thing has been bizarre, man. Being a part of podcasting, you know, all the strange little connections that are out there. I mean, like you were saying, Ga- Ga- Gavin Newsom just started a podcast where he's having people who kind of disagree with him and he had Charlie Kirk on.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  I think it's a really smart thing.

• 17:18Theo Von?

  Which is pretty wild, you know?

• 17:20Speaker 01

  I think it's a really smart thing.

• 17:21Theo Von?

  And we're talking about that at the beginning and Dove, your producer, said that, well, he felt like this was kind of Newsom's last hope too. It's like, cuz he was probably, he's probably on the way out, so unless he could do something to salvage that.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 17:33Theo Von?

  But having a podcast and it's having people you don't agree with hang out with you for a while is, it's pretty brave.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  It's also like, that's the exact word I was gonna, it's like brave. You wanna show bravery. And I think like, not to be political, whatever, but I think in the last, and again, I don't care about politics, but like culture is interesting to me. But I think in the last, you know, election with the podcast run, and I just wanna say personally, I don't think that we changed the election at all.

• 17:56Theo Von?

  I agree a hundred percent.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  I have no ego about that. That was decided way before us.

• 18:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Like, it, it, it made me, made people feel more comfortable voicing how they were already gonna vote. But I don't think people are watching like, I'm completely flipped on this.

• 18:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's insane also.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. But uh, but yeah, I think that the, the lack of representation of Kamala and even like her constituents on the podcast run, I think it showed a lack of bravery.

• 18:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  The, the feeling was like, oh, they're scared to go have potentially tough conversations. It wasn't even gonna be tough with us.

• 18:31Theo Von?

  I know.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  What are we gonna grill her on?

• 18:33Theo Von?

  I couldn't even think of a thing. I mean, I heard that she roller skated a lot and I would be curious about that, but it's like, other than that, it's like, I don't know what I would've talked about.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  But her people are going, we can't go on field. I mean, he's just gonna come with the hard headed questions.

• 18:50Theo Von?

  Right, like something like that is insane.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we, don't you, don't you appreciate that? Like, as, as much as Gavin Newsom just seems like a plastic bag in the wind, I'm also like, hey, it's brave you're willing to sit down on something recorded.

• 19:03Theo Von?

  I wouldn't talk to Charlie Kirk.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  That motherfucker is a good argument. Joe, Candace too. Candace, I, I always say, that's, Rogan said Candace is, is John Wick. You do not get in her fucking way. Uh-uh.

• 19:16Theo Von?

  Oh, she, yeah, she's definitely, uh, yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  When you said her kid looked like Anthony Smith, I was like, you better, I was like, you a crazy motherfucker right here, bro.

• 19:25Theo Von?

  That daughter, and look, a beautiful kid.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  You can stop the beautiful, that's what you do, you stop the beautiful, cuz you do not want Candace to get fixated, okay? You do not want her to get fixated. The second she comes up with a Theo video, you gotta hope something happens in Israel, pal. Shift the attention.

• 19:44Theo Von?

  Gaza Unite.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Bro, that was layered, cuz you made it German as well.

• 19:52Theo Von?

  I brought that in, I can't believe that happened. Thank you, dude.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Gaza Unite is good.

• 19:56Theo Von?

  I did not believe that was gonna come up. I just started with Gaza and then I was like, I, this won't be funny.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  I hope people get how layered that is. That is good.

• 20:03Theo Von?

  That was teamwork, though.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  I don't know about that. I think you went 101 right there.

• 20:07Theo Von?

  I said that her daughter looks a little bit like.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  Beautiful.

• 20:10Theo Von?

  She, oh, the daughter is beautiful.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  I think what we gotta say is that Anthony Smith is a beautiful little girl. Like, I think that's the better way of describing, he's a savage fighter.

• 20:18Theo Von?

  He's the fisty Charlamagne, baby.

• 20:24Theo Von?

  That, I think is all that's safe to say.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Yo, he does look mixed a little bit. Is he mixed?

• 20:31Theo Von?

  Oh, Anthony, yeah, he is.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Mixed with what?

• 20:33Theo Von?

  I'm sh- I don't know. I think he's a lot, you know, he's latte or whatever they call it. He is. But Anthony's incredible and that little, and that, the daughter looks incredible. I know.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's beautiful. But shout out to Candace. It's so funny how like, uh-

• 20:47Theo Von?

  Yeah, shout out to Charlamagne too. I, I just made, I made a joke one time about him. I said he had, he was handsome.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  He's handsome. Oh, he loved that one.

• 20:56Theo Von?

  And, uh, I don't remember what happened with it, but I just thought it was-

• 20:59Speaker 01

  I think he brought it up. He was like, this is a deal, mom thinks I'm handsome.

• 21:04Theo Von?

  He is, he doesn't age though.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Oh dude, no, he's killing it. He's killing it. Yeah.

• 21:07Theo Von?

  I would like to get to me, I've never, I don't know if I've ever met him.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  I gotta connect you guys, man. You guys would have a great talk.

• 21:12Theo Von?

  I bet we probably would.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, of course.

• 21:14Theo Von?

  Um, yeah, I saw that they just had, uh, who did they have on there that I love?

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Who on Breakfast Club?

• 21:21Theo Von?

  Yeah. I can't remember.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Yo, the Candace Baldoni stuff, I don't know if you were following that at all?

• 21:26Theo Von?

  I didn't get into that. I don't get into a lot of the celebrity lore.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  The only reason why it's interesting to me is that, um, you know, like Candace has like been positioned in a way on the internet, right? Like, and she existed there and people had her opinions on her and like, everybody was stuck. They're like, that's this girl and it's bad. No, no, no, no, no. We don't listen to her at all. And she started talking about that Baldoni Blake Lively thing. And even my wife was hitting me like, have you heard this Candace Owens girl talking about? I mean, she just exposed the whole thing. Like, it's crazy how like, like, social utility frames how people see you. So you could be a bad guy and then you start talking in depth about something that people care about. And then all of a sudden, while you're talking about that, you're a good guy. You're a hero.

• 22:15Theo Von?

  That's interesting.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Like, what does that say about us? Is, is it?

• 22:20Theo Von?

  What's the same with the politic thing? It's like people see you talking to a politician and now like at your Christmas and family stuff, people are coming up and talking about, asking about politics and shit and foreign protocol or whatever.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Like, what should we do in Syria, Theo? You're like, man, yeah, let me, let me make a call or two. I don't know.

• 22:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, people are asking if I was gonna be an ambassador to something or whatever.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Where would you be an ambassador to?

• 22:44Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  You gotta ask for Louisiana.

• 22:46Theo Von?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  We don't, we don't need one of them, but yeah, but we should make a special position.

• 22:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, but we need, hey, look, I don't know if you've heard some of the slang down there, but we-

• 22:54Speaker 01

  We need someone who can communicate.

• 22:55Theo Von?

  We need an interpreter between the White House and Boosie, okay? Because we're fucking, we're losing information.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Theo Von for ambassador of Louisiana. The greatest thing the Trump administration has ever done.

• 23:08Theo Von?

  Shake it like a dog, baby, do what you do. I'll just be fucking, I'll be, I'll be, uh, breaking down rap lyrics for him.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Dude, that is creepy. Is that Robert Greene's face on the 48 Laws of Power?

• 23:22Theo Von?

  Oh my god.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  That is one of the most terrifying things I keep looking at, like, over your, over your shoulder.

• 23:27Theo Von?

  That's crazy. I thought it was Dexter.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Now, he looks like Vigo from Ghostbusters 2. Remember the dude in the painting?

• 23:32Theo Von?

  Mm-mm, bring him up. Vigo.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Did you see Ghostbusters 2?

• 23:38Theo Von?

  No, no, I didn't see it. My mom wouldn't let us watch that kind of stuff. Oh, wow, he does, and so do I a little bit. And so does Alan Dershowitz.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  See, you are involved in politics, bro. You know all these names. You're plugged in, bro.

• 23:52Theo Von?

  But aren't we plugged in? Here's the cra- the funny thing about Candace is, they're like, they were like, you're an anti-Semite, and she's like, "Oh, fuck, call me whatever you want. I'm a fucking, I have one of the top 10 podcasts in the world."

• 24:01Speaker 01

  She really don't care. She is, she is, she does not-

• 24:04Theo Von?

  And the amount of people that listen to her. It's like-

• 24:07Speaker 01

  It's true. And she, and she changes public sentiment. Like, she flipped that whole Blake Lively-Baldoni thing. That flipped. Like, he was a, I don't wanna say pariah, but people were like, this guy's a fucking douchebag, another one of these, like, "I'm a fem- male feminist, guys, and then you're really a creep on set." She completely 180'd the internet on that. Baldoni gotta give her a check.

• 24:26Theo Von?

  That's a good point.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  And she don't even want it, I bet. She gotta be so rich because there, you need to be, you need to have some money to be that brave and have kids.

• 24:34Theo Von?

  That's a good point, huh?

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Right, like, once you have kids, you gotta be, you know, you gotta make sure you can protect those kids.

• 24:39Theo Von?

  The dad must be like a, a rifleman or something, or like a, um-

• 24:45Speaker 01

  The dad of the babies, right?

• 24:46Theo Von?

  The dad, yeah, somebody has to be.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:48Theo Von?

  They're gonna hire Anthony Smith now to actually help protect that family. That'd be pretty great, actually.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Denzel Washington, Man on Fire.

• 24:58Theo Von?

  That'd be pretty great. Dude, that'd be so great. They show up to their next someplace with the whole family and Anthony Smith is their fucking bodyguard. That would be pretty sick, dude.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Bro, she could be in the bodyguard. It's that's the new bodyguard starring Candace Owens and Anthony Smith. Wow. Whose baby is it? Actually, you don't want to do that.

• 25:20Theo Von?

  No, she'll get pissed, dude.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  You don't want to do that.

• 25:22Theo Von?

  And what if she, what if she breaks the story down? She finds out that it's, that's the whole story.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Stop it, stop it, stop it. You have a deep dive on her.

• 25:32Theo Von?

  And she does it.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  She's surprised by her own.

• 25:34Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  Results. You would never see that coming.

• 25:37Theo Von?

  No, but that sounds like a cool, it actually sounds like a cool movie or something. But we're just joking Candace, we do not.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Candace, by the way, we want no problems at all. We want zero problems. Are we all looking into the cams when we say this? We want zero problems. Okay, zero problems.

• 25:49Theo Von?

  Weinstein didn't do it.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  No, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 25:52Theo Von?

  That's what she's on. That's what she's saying now.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  That's what she's saying.

• 25:56Theo Von?

  But yeah, I will say this.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  You can't predict her at all.

• 25:58Theo Von?

  No. She's brave and she's thorough.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:01Theo Von?

  And she's never lost a lawsuit, so.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  She is.

• 26:06Theo Von?

  But it is kind of crazy how like the mainstream media had just been this machine and then now you're starting to see like, oh, well, what about these stories you never heard about? What about the fact that um, some information might not even be true because it was all just kind of like part of a plan like, that shit's kind of wild.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:23Theo Von?

  And that makes podcasting and like freelance communication or whatever it's called.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:28Theo Von?

  Uh, even more interesting.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 26:31Theo Von?

  I don't even know what to believe now. When I'm, you see clips and I start, but I'm like, oh, this is what I, and you're like, dude, I have, there's no real place to get completely factual truth.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Well, maybe.

• 26:42Theo Von?

  Except your instinct.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but maybe because like there is no completely factual truth.

• 26:47Theo Von?

  It could be it too.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  I think that's the thing. I think it was probably easier when there's like a few different news channels to disseminate information like kind of we all agree on more like, hey, this is what happened during the Civil War.

• 26:56Theo Von?

  Right.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  This is what happened during the Revolutionary War. All right. This is what happened during World War Two. I didn't even know Russia did anything during World War Two until like a few years ago. I found out like 25 million Russians died in World War Two.

• 27:07Theo Von?

  Uh-uh.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:08Theo Von?

  Are you serious?

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:09Theo Von?

  Pull that up. How many Russians died in World War Two? That's unbelievable. You don't ever hear about that.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Never hear, but why would we teach that?

• 27:15Theo Von?

  Right.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  You know?

• 27:16Theo Von?

  But it gives you a different concept of who did what.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Twenty seven million, wow.

• 27:21Theo Von?

  Oh my god.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, nineteen million civilian deaths, eight point seven million military deaths. That's the thing with Russia, it's tricky, it's like.

• 27:31Theo Von?

  So they were an allied force, right?

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then immediately afterwards, you know, we started beefing in the Cold War and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, we had a united cause at one point in time, because I think Hitler invaded Russia.

• 27:42Theo Von?

  Oh wow.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the problem with invading Russia is like, they have a, like a cultural, um, acceptance of misery.

• 27:50Theo Von?

  Right, so they kind of like it in the beginning? Is that what you're saying?

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Of war, you're saying, they're like, oh, finally, this is our, we're back to homeostasis.

• 27:58Theo Von?

  Be our guest, be our guest.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. So, so I don't know, I just feel like, if, like Americans, we like it, we like, we like, we like nice shit. We like it being comfortable, we're, we're brave, that's what I will say, like, I don't have concerns about us losing a war.

• 28:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Because I do think that we, we value freedom, like, I don't think we would ever accept being controlled by another country. I think that the majority of us would rather die before that happened.

• 28:27Theo Von?

  Right, or we just don't know that it's happening.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Here you go again. Theo, Theo, here you go. Theo, Theo, what country are you talking about?

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Candace, see what you started, Candace. Theo, what are you, what are you talking about right now? Theo?

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• 32:59Theo Von?

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• 33:07Speaker 02

  That's the problem with like, having people talk to us with like really compelling arguments. It's like, I will believe the last YouTube video I saw. Whoever put this shit up this quickly, this gotta be AI, right? This has gotta be AI. There is no way. There is no way. Hey, you're asking for it. Whoever's doing this is asking for it. You need to stop right now. Whoever's doing this. But Candace looks great.

• 33:34Theo Von?

  Oh my gosh, she's stunning.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Beautiful woman.

• 33:36Theo Von?

  Wow. I look like, oh, that's Anthony Smith. I thought that was my face.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  God, that is my face.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Theo. Theo, Theo, Theo cast himself in the movie. I cast myself as Anthony Smith.

• 33:55Theo Von?

  Does it look, I fucking, my nose is a little bigger than his though. Lip is the same.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 34:01Theo Von?

  That's crazy. I looked at that two times. I was like, I wonder how they did that, but let's go, huh? Wow, yeah. I can't, oh, we're, it's not gonna age well. It'll be fine. Candace, it's, um, we're joking.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  It's all jokes.

• 34:16Theo Von?

  But yeah, I mean, and, but the words, if you see a Charleston White video before you go to see it, that's the last one you see.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  So that's a wild dude, Charleston.

• 34:23Theo Von?

  Have you had him on your show?

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Nah, have you?

• 34:24Theo Von?

  Uh-uh.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  That's a wild dude, man. He, he is just so unpredictable. Every, the next sentence he says is also one of these things where it's like, people who say wild shit can also be hilarious. Let's not act like both of those can't be true. You know what I mean? Like him, Dr. Umar, I love Dr. Umar. I've been trying to get Dr. Umar on my show forever.

• 34:44Theo Von?

  Really? He would come on?

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Well, he thinks I want to debate him.

• 34:47Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  And I, he, I don't think he understands that, like, I'm just a fan. Like, I just think he's a hilarious communicator.

• 34:53Theo Von?

  Does the culture, does black culture fuck with Dr. Umar or no?

• 34:57Speaker 01

  As the spokesman for black culture, I would say yes. Yeah, I, I, I, I would say yes.

• 35:03Theo Von?

  That's fair.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:04Theo Von?

  That's fair. Yeah, because I know some of those people are iffy on Charleston White in the black culture, you know?

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, because I feel like maybe it's like, uh, his position is more critical.

• 35:14Theo Von?

  Right.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Whereas like, maybe Dr. Umar also has the same critiques of certain things, but he is like, hey, we're black first and we gotta stay united. We gotta lock this down. We gotta do what's best for the community. But he is a like magnificently gifted speaker.

• 35:27Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Like, he just talks in soundbites. He has this like pastoral repetition. Like, remember like early Chris Rock, how he would like repeat the premise over and over again? And it kinda like just.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Emblazoned into your head. Um, but yeah, man, have you ever talked to him?

• 35:44Theo Von?

  Uh, Charleston White?

• 35:45Speaker 01

  No, no, Dr. Umar, yeah.

• 35:46Theo Von?

  No, I just.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  You're familiar with him, right?

• 35:48Theo Von?

  I just heard about him, no joking, one week ago.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  No way.

• 35:50Theo Von?

  Somebody mentioned, have you seen Dr. Umar? Uh, I think my buddy Zee had told me about him and showed me him.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Oh dude, he's.

• 35:56Theo Von?

  I thought this, oh, I thought that was fucking Kendrick Perkins or whatever.

• 36:02Theo Von?

  I just saw this guy.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  So you thought Dr. Ummer was moonlighting on TNT?

• 36:07Theo Von?

  And now everybody's just trusting.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  Everything he says.

• 36:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, I was like, how did he fucking change?

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Why is Druski going to him for dating advice? Why is Kendrick Perkins?

• 36:19Theo Von?

  They got Drew, bro. That they came after Druski.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that bullshit ass claim and against Odell too. That's the thing and then like whatever girl did that shit like we'll never hear from her again. So you can just say it's real. Stupid shit. It's just, you should be, you should have to go to jail for that.

• 36:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  You should have to go to jail for that shit.

• 36:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Cause he, he has to go out and say, I didn't do that. Like that's a crazy thing to have to say as a human. Jay-Z had to say that shit and then they just dropped the lawsuit. Did you see that?

• 36:45Theo Von?

  Against Jay-Z?

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then again, nobody even notices when the lawsuit dropped. It's like you gotta scream it from the rooftops or else nobody will pay attention. And that goes to that like hater shit with the successful. It's like that, that story was so popular because there was probably a lot of people that were like, man, fuck Jay-Z for having a perfect wife and an amazing family and a child and billions of dollars. Yeah, he probably did that shit.

• 37:08Theo Von?

  Damn. And so then they'll, they're the ones tweeting it, sharing it, everything. And there's bots now. I mean, it's just, it's definitely bizarre. You gotta trust your own gut, but yeah, you could see an article. It's the last thing you saw. And then you're like, people are like, damn, wasn't that guy addicted to drugs? You're like, that guy is just won an Oscar. It's just like, you know what I'm saying? If you didn't tap into what's been going on, you know? It's all crazy, man. You'll see stories about yourself that are crazy. I saw a story that I was like a all a jar cheese child or something from the third generation or something. And I was like, like a billionaire's stepchild or whatever. And I was like, what are you fucking? I was like, if my dad, if we had any money, they'd never, no one ever had it.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  But yo, here's the thing with that story is like, that story is just to discredit you. Right, like if you come from crazy money, everybody gets to go, ah, see, it's not real. And he actually didn't have to experience this kind of traumatic childhood and like, this is all bullshit. It's like the story is specifically designed to cut your legs out from under you.

• 38:09Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  It's like, why, why do people want to do that? Why is that? And maybe it's in all human beings, maybe it's just something that we have to, to grapple with, but uh, yeah, but I imagine like the more confident you are in yourself, the more happy you could be for people who get success.

• 38:24Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's a good point, man. I think realizing that, I think, well, I think for a while you come from like a scarcity mentality, you know? Where you're like, man, shit's not gonna, like, fuck, somebody's, something bad's gonna, you know, this ain't gonna be okay.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  This is gonna go away.

• 38:36Theo Von?

  Right. This starts to change, or like the government's just gonna come and take everything from you.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  You can't believe that it's happened after so many years of trying.

• 38:43Theo Von?

  Yeah, and then also you like, you don't know how to have like things, and so you're like, well, dude, I remember being ashamed of myself when I didn't have anything and being ashamed of myself when I did have something. But it was really crazy, it was like, I tried to hide, always mask my life because I didn't want people thinking that, seeing that I didn't have anything, or that I didn't feel like I was anything. And then, even when I got a house in Nashville, it's a nice home, it's not like, you know, some cra- it's a, it's a nice home, but it's not like a billion dollar home or anything. But um, I didn't want to show people my life, I just didn't want them to see like, you know, I don't know, it's just fucking crazy, it was like, so in the end, there was some part of me that just didn't want to be, that either only cared about what you thought, or just didn't want to be happy for myself no matter what.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  And then you can never feel comfortable, no matter where you are. In this, in this journey, man, it's, and that's, I guess, what is, what would they say? That, that comes down to like self-acceptance. It's like, once you accept it, like, you, you should be entitled to your success and you work hard for it, then you're not as dependent on like the validation of others.

• 39:43Theo Von?

  I know.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  But um.

• 39:45Theo Von?

  It's hard to get away from that, I think, I don't know if it's hard, some things like doing ayahuasca, that kind of stuff has helped a lot of that stuff go away though. Yeah, that kind of stuff's been a, been a um.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  You've done that a few times?

• 39:54Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:55Theo Von?

  I like it, dude.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Really?

• 39:57Theo Von?

  Yeah, you do it enough times, they give you this jacket. Oh yeah, definitely.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Some guy walks out of the jungle in Costa Rica. Jaqueta para ti.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  You got a punch card? Their fourth Alaska trip, you get an Eagles, a Letterman jacket.

• 40:14Theo Von?

  That is so ridiculous, dude.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  That is cool. You know who told me? Neil told me that, uh...

• 40:18Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, Neil Brennan became the, he became like this connector. Go on.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  But no, I think that's kind of what it is. Like, you know, Neil is, uh, one of his superpowers is his cynicism. You know, like, he's constantly consumed, I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, but he's constantly consumed of like what the, the worst case scenario of something would be, or what the worst, what the worst person would think about the thing he's doing.

• 40:41Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  And, uh, what's, what's good about that is like when you're creating stuff, you, there's a, there's an advantage in that you're always thinking about what your biggest critic could say. So maybe you really try to sharpen every premise and sharpen every joke and make sure there's no fat and it's like infallible. And the negative aspect about that is that like, if you're just creating for them, it's hard to create something authentically. And then he said, he was like, listen, after I did that, like that voice started to dim a bit. And like, I didn't have, I wasn't constantly consumed with the critic and I was able to make, I think, my best shit. And I think that's true. It's like, it's hard to create authentically when you're worried about what critics would say. Like, you're just making shit for them, you know, like...

• 41:24Theo Von?

  Well, for, for somebody, especially when your whole life, you've only tried to, you've gained a lot of your acceptance from other people.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:31Theo Von?

  You know, I think that's probably been a lot of my life, but I didn't even know who I was. There wasn't a me, so the only thing there was, was your reaction.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:38Theo Von?

  So I didn't fucking...

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Do you think you found yourself?

• 41:41Theo Von?

  I think it's gotten better as I've gotten older. I think some of it is getting older. You just kind of like, I can't fucking, whoever you are, motherfucker, we gotta...

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Come out. We ain't got a lot of time left, bro. You've been hiding for 40 years, my boy ain't like, enjoy some of this shit. We got a new jacket.

• 42:00Theo Von?

  Hey man, come on, man. We gotta, we gotta figure this shit out.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  You just getting tired of it?

• 42:07Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 42:08Theo Von?

  That's great, dude. Yeah, so I don't know, but I think also you just get older and you're like, there's just no, you're whatever part of you that still cares about that shit starts to go away. I think it's just exhausted too.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Well, I think-

• 42:19Theo Von?

  Of chasing its tail kinda.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Maybe that's the, maybe that's the release for you with something like ayahuasca where instead of like constantly searching for what it is or who you are, you do feel connected to whatever this greater existence is and you just get to go, "Okay, I'm not gonna fucking worry all day about what exactly I am and what I don't have and just be this, you know, bottomless pit that a lot of us in entertainment can be." Like, there is, and maybe that's what you need, maybe you need that reminder.

• 42:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Maybe you need that reminder, you're part of something bigger.

• 42:49Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think that, uh, that's a good point, cuz once you feel like you're part of something bigger, there's some connection, then you kinda don't just think about yourself, you're not as isolated.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're not, it's, it's, it's, there's something liberating about knowing things are way bigger than you.

• 43:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  When it's not bigger than you, it's very easy to get caught in your own head. It, it's, fuck, it's a lot of pressure, I imagine. If you're just thinking about you and like how you're being perceived and if you're becoming the man you thought you would be and, you know, if you feel comfortable with the success you've had, how other people will react to that success.

• 43:21Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Fuck, that's crippling.

• 43:23Theo Von?

  That shit, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's kind of like scary, I think, as you get older. I think, yeah, popularity's kinda scary, watching your own ego and being conscious of like, what is your ego and what is just you, trying to have some self-confidence in yourself, especially if some of those things are kind of like, you're like kind of a late bloomer and some of that shit's happening, you know, can be, happens simultaneously. It's all, yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  What's an example of that?

• 43:44Theo Von?

  See, I mean, even some of the, like, thinking about, I knew something about politics. It was like, just the fact that it took me a couple of weeks to realize, dude, you don't know about fucking politics. Like, yeah, you got to talk to some political people, um, but do, and how much do they really know? And, but it's like, don't- That's a trap, right? What do you know about? You know about like being curious? You know about like wanting to talk to different people? You know about trying to be funny, you know?

• 44:06Speaker 01

  I think, I think politics is always a reflection of culture. Like, politics is downstream from cultural needs and necessities. And I think that one of the things that's made you so successful is, I think you're deeply connected to culture. Like, you, you're aware of what people are feeling. You're aware of what they're frustrated by. And, um, you know, regardless if there's like data analysis to back up every single one of those claims. Like, to me, that doesn't mean anything. Like, you can list out all the facts you fucking want, but like, you're aware of people's frustrations. And, um, politicians have to react to that. So you don't need to know like what fucking senator is pushing what bill. Cause they're all reacting to the thing that you're more acutely aware of, probably than even them.

• 44:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, I guess it like-

• 44:52Speaker 01

  You can't be a comedian if, or at least a high performing comedian if you're not in touch with like what people are feeling.

• 44:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Like, at its core, I think that's really what makes somebody a good comic.

• 45:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, and how to stay like, just how to like stay and stay connected to that type of thing, I guess, you know?

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Um, and sometimes with success, it's harder to connect to it. And it's also harder for them to connect to you. That's probably why you want to hide the house in Nashville. You're like, fuck, well, they feel like they can't relate to me because of this new life I live. I'm what, that, that, that's something that like, so I grew up in New York City, right? And like-

• 45:26Theo Von?

  In the city, grew up?

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I grew up in Manhattan. And, uh, one of the things about growing up in Manhattan, it's incredibly humbling. Like, you never feel-

• 45:35Theo Von?

  You weren't in the Newsies, you weren't in the Newsies?

• 45:37Speaker 01

  I was in the Newsies.

• 45:38Theo Von?

  Were you really?

• 45:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 45:42Theo Von?

  Have people asked you that before?

• 45:43Speaker 01

  No, no, you're the first, first.

• 45:44Theo Von?

  Oh, I'm sorry, dude. I can't remember when that was, but I love that movie.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Good little movie. I think Christian Bale was in that shit, right?

• 45:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:50Theo Von?

  Crutchy, that little guy, like, give me the paint, so fucking-

• 45:54Speaker 01

  That was my childhood, no.

• 45:55Theo Von?

  I'm just saying, fucking bullshit, you got a fucking kid on one crutch. Hiking through fucking

• 46:01Speaker 01

  I can sell the newspapers.

• 46:03Theo Von?

  Hiking up the LIC with a fucking sack of newspapers dude. LIE.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  LIE.

• 46:08Theo Von?

  The LIE with a sack of newspapers, man.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  But anyway, like you just humbled constantly. You never feel like you got money. There's always somebody way richer. There's always somebody with a way better job. There's always some of the better like because you're in the city where the most successful of all the people have. So you never feel like you never feel this this concern that you were talking about, which is like, oh, if I show this nice thing I have, people will think that I'm I consider myself better than them or something. If you grew up in New York, you never feel that way because there's always someone so much higher than you. You know what I mean? There's always some so much more wealthy. So it's just this, there's like a hustle mentality, which is like, I'm going to work really fucking hard.

• 46:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  For as long as I possibly can, and I'm going to try to get some nice shit, but I'm going to earn it. I'm not going to just have it handed to me. I'm going to fucking bust my ass. But when I do get it, I don't feel guilty about it because it ain't even as close as nice as the guy who lives three blocks that way.

• 47:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  So, but I I understand like my mom's from Scotland, like fucking, you know, comes from nothing. There's that sentiment of like you getting something nice. The community could feel like, oh, do you think you're, you think you're better than us now because you got this fancy house?

• 47:19Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, like if somebody could read, people would call him a

• 47:24Theo Von?

  you know?

• 47:27Theo Von?

  Like if you gotta, if somebody brought home a bee on our bus, dude, it fucking you were just a, just a fucking sick homosexual.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:35Theo Von?

  You know?

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:36Theo Von?

  You fucking, yeah, they would beat you up. I mean, they would let people ride home on a bus with no shirts on. And I'm like, and yeah, I was like, well, why don't people have to have shirts on or whatever? But it was just like, yeah, it was just, yeah, I don't know. It's tough. You want to kind of stay like, I don't know, as your life changes and as you get older, things change, your life gets bigger. And you kind of sometimes want to just stay the same. Like I think there's parts of moments in my life that I really miss where I was real comfortable. And I think as your life changes sometimes, it probably is like a new space. What's it been like for you having a child since I know a lot of your special was about it? Like,

• 48:09Speaker 01

  The greatest.

• 48:09Theo Von?

  Was that something that took away a lot of that just worrying about yourself type of thing? And did it really? Or you just, was that something that people just say?

• 48:16Speaker 01

  I'm glad that you asked that second question, but the the weird thing about having a kid is it it is literally every cliche that anybody has ever said.

• 48:25Theo Von?

  All right, that's a little shiloh. Dang, huh?

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Little cutie.

• 48:28Theo Von?

  Wow, at the beach, rich, huh?

• 48:30Speaker 01

  What UFC fighter does she look like?

• 48:32Theo Von?

  Oh, no, hold on.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Don't do it.

• 48:34Theo Von?

  Huh?

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Don't do it. I mean, we gotta do it.

• 48:39Theo Von?

  But for your wife, you have to say that.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  She, she, she.

• 48:41Theo Von?

  She, and this is, Nick, you know who it is? He's got a fight coming up.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Michael Chandler.

• 48:47Theo Von?

  A little, but he's fighting Volkanovski.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, Tegelopis?

• 48:51Theo Von?

  A little bit.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. He's a pretty motherfucker. I'll take that one. That's a compliment.

• 48:56Theo Von?

  That's acceptable.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  That's gotta be a new segment on the Theo Pop Podcast. Yo, yo, yo, he's good. He's good. Oh.

• 49:06Theo Von?

  That's pretty cute, man.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Oh, little cutie.

• 49:08Theo Von?

  I don't, I don't, I still want him to hear me say that.

• 49:13Theo Von?

  But there's something very charming about him. She's a beautiful young lady.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  That's gonna be a great fight. Shout out Volk, too, man.

• 49:18Theo Von?

  That is a, I think that is an exciting fight, huh?

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:21Theo Von?

  Seeing Volkanovski sing the other night about that was so fun.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  He's got a little voice, bro.

• 49:24Theo Von?

  I know.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  He's got a good voice.

• 49:25Theo Von?

  And it's just fun to see his, like, it's so great. I think if fighters are around long enough where you get to see their personalities, you know? Like, they used to only have to just be so tough, and now they can do that, but also, like, have a bit of showmanship, you know?

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, we wanna connect to them.

• 49:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  But I will, you know, back to the kid.

• 49:42Theo Von?

  But back to the kid, yeah, man.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  It's every cliche you've ever heard, times a thousand, like, and it's, there's a reason why that exists, I imagine. It's like, we all should have this reaction towards children, right? Like, their smile is the best smile, their laugh is the best laugh, it's the most incredible experience you've ever had in your life. And there's a little part of you as, like, a comedian that goes, you know, oh, I'm gonna have these unique takes on being a father. And it is, your takes are so similar to every other person who's ever been a dad, which is, which is now I see as a beautiful thing.

• 50:09Theo Von?

  Right.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  But, um, yeah, your life gets really small. I can only speak for myself, but like, I just don't care as much about other things. You know, like, I, I wanna spend time with her, I wanna spend time with my wife, and I, as long as they're proud of me and happy with me, that's enough.

• 50:24Theo Von?

  Right.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Anything else is... It's icing on the cake. It feels really good. Like the response to this special feels really good. It's like amazing. Like all these people who went through IVF and had a similar journey as us to like get pregnant like they they talking about like feels really good.

• 50:41Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  But but I'll tell you one thing, as long as like my wife and baby are are happy with me, like that's it is an amazing. I hope you experience it, man. If that's something that you'd like to experience, but it's

• 50:53Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'd like to have that, man. It's cool to hear a parent say that too, you know? I think that like it's nice to hear a parent say those things about their family.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Bro, it's so best. It's so cool, man. It is. Also, you'll watch it like it's very, very rare in life. You get to see somebody give a hundred percent. Like really a hundred percent. And like when you watch them in labor, it's a hundred percent.

• 51:17Theo Von?

  Really?

• 51:18Speaker 01

  It's just they're giving everything they possibly can give.

• 51:21Theo Von?

  What happens if they just do eighty percent or whatever, sixty percent or?

• 51:24Speaker 01

  That baby stays in there, bro. Like we had to do a C-section. Uh, we, my wife had to do a C-section. Obviously, there was like, I didn't do anything. I just sat there like an asshole. And uh, but it was um, but yeah, it's just amazing what they're willing to do. Like my wife lost a lot of blood. And like uh,

• 51:40Theo Von?

  Like fifty cent almost.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Literally it was like, yeah.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very similar, actually.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  I gotta talk to fifty about that. I was like, dude, you basically got a C-section out there in Jamaica, Queens, bro. We talk about that?

• 51:56Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fifty C.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Fifty C is good. He's fucking good. No, but but, bro, it was like she had no energy left. She had no blood in her system left. And they ask her, they're like, can you do a little breastfeeding for the baby? Cause she needs to eat right now. She then they're like, if you don't have energy, that's fine. She breastfeeds the baby. The second the baby pulls off, this is like after, I don't know how long it is. She goes, my wife's like, she is she good? And the doctor's, yeah, she's good. And the second the doctor takes her off, she just closes her eyes and passes out. But it's like, there's this like primal urge to do anything for that. They'll do anything for that baby.

• 52:32Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  And it is like, yeah, it's a beautiful human experience to watch somebody love something. Like otherworldly love.

• 52:41Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  And, uh, yeah, I think it's a really important part of, if you, if you're lucky enough to be able to do it, it's a really important part of like the life experience. It just makes everything, it makes everything small and, and, uh, and worthwhile.

• 52:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:54Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, that's, yeah, it's, thanks for sharing that, man.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 52:57Theo Von?

  Did, what's it like to see your parents interact with your, with your, with your child?

• 53:04Speaker 01

  So my dad is, my dad is dementia.

• 53:06Theo Von?

  I know he's sick, right?

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's had dementia for a while now, so he's, it's hard for him.

• 53:09Theo Von?

  He did the intro to your special.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was pretty cool.

• 53:12Theo Von?

  It was cool, dude.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:13Theo Von?

  I was wondering, was that tough for you guys to get him to pull it off? Or it was okay?

• 53:15Speaker 01

  You know, it's interesting is like he's, like, we put the, this is, we filmed that actually at the early part of the tour.

• 53:21Theo Von?

  I loved how your special started off with the joke because it, or it maybe, it just like, oh, I'm already having a nice time.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 53:26Theo Von?

  I thought it was a great choice. I thought it was one of the best, um, I thought it was one of the best I'd seen in a while.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Thanks, man. Yeah, it was cool to, yeah, the first one we were thinking about, we're like, should we just start the joke? And then like, the first thing is, I think I go, uh, you guys want to hear my favorite New York joke? And we could have just cut that line, but there was part of me that went like, if I'm just hanging out with friends and I go, yo, I got a good joke, you guys, my friends or anybody else in that group will go, yeah, I like hearing a good joke. Like, this is why I'm tuning into a special. Like, sometimes I feel like the first joke you tell on stage is the most inauthentic.

• 54:04Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Because it's like, hey, we're gonna do this thing where I talk and you guys just listen. And once we get into it, it will all make sense. But the first, the first 30 seconds or a minute of it is inauthentic in a way.

• 54:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Unless I honestly tell you, hey, you guys ready?

• 54:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  I'm gonna tell you a joke.

• 54:22Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Does that make sense while I'm trying to communicate?

• 54:25Theo Von?

  I've never thought about that before. Yeah, there's this kind of moment where everybody pretends like they don't know you're about to tell, like, they kind of like, there's this weird moment in the beginning.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  We have to suspend disbelief or whatever it is.

• 54:36Theo Von?

  Like, what's he gonna do?

• 54:37Speaker 01

  We know what we're gonna do.

• 54:38Theo Von?

  Juggle or, yeah. Remodel the building?

• 54:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  So I don't know. I was like, how do I just make it feel like authentic or natural or whatever? And um, but yeah, but having my dad do it, the intro is just the coolest fucking thing and uh.

• 54:55Theo Von?

  How many takes you have to do with dementia? How many, how, what is that?

• 54:57Speaker 01

  So that we did a, I mean, he was able to, he was able to knock it out, but we tell him the line right before every single time.

• 55:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  You know, you give it up for my son Andrew Schulz. Like, and it's, he goes and says it and you could really feel him. It was like really beautiful. I'll probably get emotional, but like, but he was like, really, he really wanted to do it, you know?

• 55:13Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  And like, he was, he's been a great father. So it's like, and uh, he's like trying to remember it, you know, and like, yeah, it was just really, he, yeah, yeah, it was cool.

• 55:24Theo Von?

  That's awesome, man. It makes me sad kinda. Not sad, but it makes me.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  No, it's beautiful.

• 55:28Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's something that's real.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, it's beautiful.

• 55:30Theo Von?

  Give it up for my son Andrew Schulz.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 55:32Theo Von?

  Oh dude, right when I saw that, cause I remember seeing the video that you shared about him when you were gonna play Madison Square Garden.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:37Theo Von?

  And it was like, that was like something that everybody could relate to. And yeah, when I saw that, it was like, cause yeah, I, I don't know.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  He was, he was, and I keep saying was, which is fucked up, but like, he had a, he had a really shitty dad. That like wasn't there for him at all. And uh, he didn't have me until like late. And but he like, he never said this, but like he made a decision that he was not gonna let that happen again. And he was just like, he was just there for everything. Like every, I don't know what it's like to not have a dad there for everything. Which is an amazing privilege. Don't get me wrong. But like, it was just so important to him to like, oh, let's go throw a base, let's play some basketball, like whatever you want. I need help with homework, like whatever it is. And um,

• 56:23Speaker 01

  and I, you know, he has his dimension. I feel like every time I see him, I just like, I, I just hope he knows that he was incredible. And like, it's, I, that I'm nowhere close to where I am without that.

• 56:35Theo Von?

  Right.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Like, all my confidence comes from him.

• 56:38Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  You know, like every bit of like self-belief, like anything is just, there's this guy who has believed in.

• 56:43Theo Von?

  Yeah, is there a part of you like, so as dementia, some, I guess someone's like, so who someone is starts to kind of disappear a little bit?

• 56:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:50Theo Von?

  Is that a fair way to say it or not?

• 56:51Speaker 01

  I would say like your short-term memory goes away. So I guess memory is broken up into long-term memory and short-term. And for someone to get into long-term, it just needs to be repeated. So he has his long-term memory. He like knows the map of New York. He can like go around the city, but he might forget like what he's going to do.

• 57:08Theo Von?

  Right.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  But he knows how to get home.

• 57:09Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  But if we took him to Florida, he wouldn't really know how to get around.

• 57:13Theo Von?

  Right.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  And then short-term, it's like he doesn't really know, you know, he'll have a conversation with you and then he'll kind of forget. He'll bring it back up. He has like a few things that he'll like talk about, but um, I will say that like, you know, the concern is when this happens is that like something underneath is bitter and angry. And like, he just becomes this like resentful human being, but he's pure, man. Like he's just a pure, like loving, good soul. So he gets to find out every time I see him that he has a granddaughter.

• 57:44Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  And like, that's pretty awesome. Like, you know, like, like, so there is a, like, if there's a little positive perspective that you, all you can do is change perspective on shit. So like, I could tell him every single time, it's like, yeah, I got it. He's like, what? Oh my God, what's that like? You know, and like, so that's cool to tell him. Yeah, yeah.

• 58:02Theo Von?

  That's gotta be super cool.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 58:04Theo Von?

  Is there, is there any fear that like as a part of him, like that the part of him inside that will, will forget that you care about him? Is that, is that like, does that make any sense kind of?

• 58:12Speaker 01

  I, my, the fear is that I haven't communicated to him.

• 58:16Theo Von?

  Enough.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Enough how incredible a job he did. And I don't even know if that's important to him.

• 58:21Theo Von?

  Right. Cause it's important for you to know it.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, like it's important to me that he knows.

• 58:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  That he's the goat. And like, he might not know that, like, he's, and it's interesting, it's so interesting, like. Yeah, like it's uh, yeah, it's just so interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's like you just want them to know.

• 58:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  But but then I realized now after having a kid. Like before I had a kid, I thought he was doing everything just for me. Like he was, he was doing things that he might not actually want to do, but he's like, I'm gonna be there for my kid. And now that I have a kid, you get so much joy.

• 58:56Theo Von?

  Oh, you realize, oh, he was.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Bro, it's it's this beautiful relationship where like you could selfishly be a good dad. Like taking my kid to the museum of natural history the other day was more fun for me than her.

• 59:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Watching her look at a woolly mammoth, you know, like and just have her fucking mind blown, you know? She's just, she's looking at, she's looking back at me, she's like, what the fuck is this? Like, and it was just, and I'm like, we gotta go to the museum every week, like whatever. There is this beautiful, where where like your selfishness benefits your kid.

• 59:27Theo Von?

  Ah.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  It maybe if you have a healthy relationship. I know there's like unhealthy shit there too.

• 59:32Theo Von?

  But I think I see what you're saying. So then it's like now, it's like, there's no way he couldn't ever know how much I care about him because it almost doesn't even matter because he cares about me. So mu- as a dad, you care about your kids so much that as long as they're okay, that's then everything else is it.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  You would hope.

• 59:47Theo Von?

  Like, is that kind of what you're saying a little bit?

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would hope. I mean, I mean, again.

• 59:50Theo Von?

  Right. I know there's a lot of instances, it's not the case.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I I mean, yeah, I would just. Yeah, I would hope. I would, I hope that's the case. So he battled with depression a lot, you know, like my my family's got a lot of mental illness in it, right?

• 1:00:01Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  So like, uh, so he battled with depression a lot and um. So it's just, you know, like, you don't know what to do when you're a kid about that. Like, I used to take him to Comedy Cellar. Before I ever did comedy, I was like, I thought that like if you laugh, you're not depressed. Like, that's how I thought it worked. So I'd take my depressed ass dad to the Comedy Cellar. Little did I know, he's just listening to depressed comedians. He's probably getting more depressed.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  He's, he's struggling his life. He gotta listen, he gotta listen to these sad ass comedians on stage. Talking about how shitty their lives are. He's like, this kid is gonna kill me.

• 1:00:37Theo Von?

  But hey, if it makes his son happy, he's saying it.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  He's doing it for me. He's doing it for me. Damn near almost killed himself. Half the comedians.

• 1:00:47Theo Von?

  You're doing it for him and he's doing it for you. That's fucking hilarious, dude.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:54Theo Von?

  He's like, God, he's fucking sitting there, he's fucking just rubbing over.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Drinking a Poland Spring, just looking for the vein.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  So, but yeah, it's just.

• 1:01:05Theo Von?

  Dude, what a fascinating thing that he's doing it that that what a what a unique way to think of a crossroads of a father and son that he's doing it for me and I'm doing it for him. That's kind of fascinating.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  You don't know, like, you just don't know how it works when you're when you're younger. Like, you don't even know, like, the effects of depression or these types of things, you know?

• 1:01:24Theo Von?

  Especially in his in his era, like 20 years ago, he had no idea, even 30 years ago. He had no idea. You're just like, oh, Rodney likes to fucking sit in the car by himself. My dad would go sit in the car by himself for a couple hours.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  I love it. I love it.

• 1:01:37Theo Von?

  And my mom, he's like, well, if you get out of your fucking car, like, he wants to be out there, sitting out there by himself. The men in our town used to park their trucks behind the wind dixie and cry back there sometimes.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Theo Von?

  And you'd see him just fucking, you know, you'd see a guy open his car doors to let a bunch of tears fall out and then close it back.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Yo, there is bravery to that, though. That that's the thing that, like, I think we look back at that generation who was really trying to figure out how to deal with their mental health. And they stiff upper lipped it. And I think a lot of times we go, oh, they just ignored the problems. It's like, no, no, you can't ignore depression. It's not something you could ignore. You know what I mean? It's there. And what they did is they said, you know what? I'm gonna go to my fucking car and I'm gonna cry and I'm gonna get back and I'm gonna be a dad and I'm gonna be a husband and I'm gonna take care of his family. And it's like.

• 1:02:28Theo Von?

  And I'm gonna get my fucking son a Pistons jersey.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  And you're not even a Pistons fan. Like, that's depressing, too. You want it so badly for this kid to be a Knicks fan. This motherfucker likes the team in Detroit.

• 1:02:43Theo Von?

  And a lame beard jersey.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's, uh.

• 1:02:50Theo Von?

  I'm glad you're gonna have all that, dude. That's super cool.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. It is really cool, man. It's really cool.

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• 1:04:31Theo Von?

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• 1:05:56Theo Von?

  Yeah, just to add another universe to your life, does it make you look at your wife different? Does a wife, does a girlfriend, but, or a wife become different once they're a mother? Does something like, or what's that kind of like?

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Hundred percent, completely. You also like, you realize, like, here's something I realize is, uh, I would, I would always call my wife, like, when I know that the baby's waking up from a nap. Let's say I'm at the studio or something like that. And, uh, I call and I, you know, and she knows I'm calling to see Shiloh, right? And, uh, I don't know, I called my wife and then she was coming back from like a workout class or something. And, uh, she was like, oh, I'm not home yet, uh, so I'm not with Shiloh. And my heart sunk because I was like, oh, fuck. Like, you don't even think I call for you anymore. So in my effort, you know, to just like, connect with my daughter in every possible way I can, I am forgetting about my, connecting with my wife sometimes.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  And your wife doesn't want to be angry at you for that because she's like, thank God I have a dad who's so committed and just in love with the kid. But you can't forget about them.

• 1:06:58Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  So it's like this constant adjustment, you go, okay, all right, I gotta put.

• 1:07:02Theo Von?

  Like, hey, uh, Shiloh, is your mom home? That kind of thing.

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I gotta call Shiloh.

• 1:07:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  I gotta, I gotta, I gotta go on the nanette.

• 1:07:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  I gotta call.

• 1:07:09Theo Von?

  I got two phones. Yeah, you gotta put some Kevin Gates in there, I'm kidding. When they're nursing dude.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  You're the most interesting man in America. You spin Kevin Gates.

• 1:07:20Theo Von?

  Shallow as a little phone. She's like, hey mom's right here. Oh, you don't wanna talk to me?

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  She give me attitude.

• 1:07:30Theo Von?

  No, you can't win.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  You just wanna talk to this old bitch.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  So yeah, you gotta do that, man.

• 1:07:36Theo Von?

  Oh damn dude, that's crazy.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's wild.

• 1:07:39Theo Von?

  Wow dude, what a neat journey. And I was just impressed in your special, like you're just going, it's like, you know, when I first watched you, you were such a power. I remember the first time I ever saw you at the Black Baby, or what's it called? The one that's next door to the Comedy Store?

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Uh, Fat Black Pussy Cat?

• 1:07:53Theo Von?

  Fat Black Pussy Cat, right? And, um.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Village Underground, maybe? Maybe, maybe that one?

• 1:07:58Theo Von?

  Yeah, it was one that kinda has the tears in it, a little bit.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Village Underground, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:02Theo Von?

  But dude, I was like, I'd never seen, I was like, oh my god. And I did go up after you dude, and it was so fucking scary. And I was like,

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  I'm sure you killed that shit.

• 1:08:10Theo Von?

  I did okay. But dude, then this is so, and that was great, I mean, but that was just like, I mean, that was probably 10 years ago too.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:15Theo Von?

  But then, um, yeah, this was just so like, taking me through this story and the journey and it was, um, I don't know, it was cool to see. It felt like grown up a little bit.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just different. Like, I'd never been personal in my, in my comedy. I didn't even think my life was interesting. So I was like, yeah, I was like, I thought my opinions on shit were more interesting than my life. So I was like, I'm not, I don't need to tell you about what was going on in my life. And then, um, and then this thing happened where, you know, we couldn't get pregnant and it was because of me, my sperm sucked.

• 1:08:43Theo Von?

  No way.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my sperm.

• 1:08:46Theo Von?

  What happened? So you take them in with them?

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  I'm the face of shitty sperm, bro.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  You felt bad for a second. You're like, hold on.

• 1:08:55Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, it's just crazy because you have that like spice trader energy.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Yo, you wanna know some crazy shit? My boy is a spice trader. This guy I play paddle with, alright? This is my boy, we call him Spice Man. We legit thought he was a drug dealer for so long. Cause he says like, I'm a spice trader. Like, he makes little jokes about it that he's not joking. He'll show up late to a game and he'll be like, man, sesame was down crazy today. I couldn't find a place to store it. And then he'll say.

• 1:09:23Theo Von?

  Coriander. Options?

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. It's literally like a stock market. Like, he's back and forth from India. So we're like, there's no way this is his real life. Like, he sells fentanyl or cocaine or some shit, right? And he's just saying it's turmeric, right? So, but, but turns out, this motherfucker is a legit 2025 spice trader. This is like the oldest job ever.

• 1:09:45Theo Von?

  We ride here. Yeah, dude, that's it, bro. We ain't going anywhere. From the past, baby.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  How crazy is that? Shout out to Pete, man, Spicy Pete. We call him Spicy Pete.

• 1:09:58Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, Spicy Pete, that's great. That'd be a dope-ass job. Just hitting the streets, you, what you want, and you got some fucking...

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  He'll just hit me with random spice facts.

• 1:10:08Theo Von?

  I'm cumin.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, he was like, "Bro, you can't store the cumin with the turmeric, right? Because one goes old." And I'm like, "Oh, yeah, of course, bro, that's a huge..." That storage shit is crazy out there, you know?

• 1:10:18Theo Von?

  Yeah, 10 Our Fathers right now, dude, that's crazy.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  10 Our Fathers?

• 1:10:22Theo Von?

  You can't be doing that, yeah.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 1:10:23Theo Von?

  It's like you confessed it in a confession.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Oh, you get a punishment?

• 1:10:26Theo Von?

  They make you do those punishments or whatever.

• 1:10:30Theo Von?

  What, oh, dude, you did the wrestling thing, was that interesting?

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Oh, that was so cool, man.

• 1:10:34Theo Von?

  It's cool, you did a good job.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Thanks, bro.

• 1:10:35Theo Von?

  It looked, uh, it looked, was it scare? I thought you were gonna get slammed.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, yeah.

• 1:10:41Theo Von?

  Was that an option?

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  He was about to, uh, I didn't even know it was gonna happen.

• 1:10:44Theo Von?

  You didn't?

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  No, I didn't know anything was gonna happen. I'm just there hanging out, then Logan starts to, you know, get me to try to lie in front of all my people in Madison Square Garden.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  I wanna see AJ's now, that's why I'm here.

• 1:10:59Theo Von?

  Let's go.

• 1:11:02Theo Von?

  This shit is...

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Doesn't look like I'm prepared for that.

• 1:11:10Theo Von?

  And his, what's his finishing move, the tax evasion?

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the next move. We gotta move to Puerto Rico.

• 1:11:21Theo Von?

  The Puerto Rican W9, that's his fucking finishing move. Oh my god, dude, does he sling? Maybe I didn't see this.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:30Theo Von?

  Oh, Styles comes in.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Thank god AJ Styles comes in to save my ass.

• 1:11:32Theo Von?

  He could've come in a couple seconds later.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Yo, I'd be toast in front of my wife.

• 1:11:37Theo Von?

  Did part of you want a little more smoke after that? Like, was there a little bit inside of you that's like?

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  I need justice, bro.

• 1:11:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  I need justice. You can't come do that shit to me in Madison Square Garden.

• 1:11:46Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  My home. Talk crazy to me, you know? I need some paper, bro. I need my get back. You know who Aaron the Plumber is?

• 1:11:54Theo Von?

  Aaron the Plumber? I think we had him on the podcast, actually.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Did you have Aaron on the pod?

• 1:11:57Theo Von?

  I think so, like 20 years ago. Or like four, uh, like, yeah, like three years ago, I think.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:12:01Theo Von?

  Who was that we had, Nick?

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  This is different Aaron the Plumber. We had Joe the Plumber. Joe. Joe the Plumber. You need Aaron the Plumber, bro. This guy's an absolute internet sensation.

• 1:12:09Theo Von?

  Joe found a baby in one of the pipes.

• 1:12:12Theo Von?

  Joe found an offspring. In one of the pipes.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 1:12:16Theo Von?

  Horrible time to say that.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  No, that's a Patrice joke.

• 1:12:19Theo Von?

  It is?

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  He said, "I jerk off so much in the shower, I'm surprised the drain ain't pregnant."

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Joe is like, "It was."

• 1:12:27Theo Von?

  Joe's like, "I think I'm working at your place."

• 1:12:32Theo Von?

  Uh, no, who's Aaron the Plumber?

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  Oh dude, this guy's a-

• 1:12:34Theo Von?

  Cool guy?

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  Oh my god. He's just, he was on this Zeus Network show. Do you know what the Zeus Network is?

• 1:12:39Theo Von?

  Uh-uh. Is it like, uh, that Stars or whatever, like Ghost Book Phantom, whatever, Seven or whatever?

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Nah, this is more Ratchet, bro. But Aaron the Plumber, you're not qualified. This guy is a certified hilarious dude. He's an actual certified plumber.

• 1:12:53Theo Von?

  Dang, dang.

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  But he's hilarious on this dating show. And, uh, he was just, you know, he would get in a fight with anybody who popped shit. He's like, "All right, let's go. We fight right now." But he's also hysterical.

• 1:13:03Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  And, um, so yeah, he's just an internet sensation. Love this guy.

• 1:13:07Theo Von?

  Dang, I haven't seen him. I gotta check him out. Who did I see recently? Gunno Lavish? Have you seen him?

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  No, who's that?

• 1:13:15Theo Von?

  Young kid. He like, uh, he makes me laugh, huh? He's out of Mississippi, mate.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Gunno Lavish.

• 1:13:23Theo Von?

  You can see the text went out of him. If you just go to Shorts right there. Just start it over.

• 1:13:30Speaker 04

  Then it ain't gonna be okay? It will be okay if you just stay strong.

• 1:13:36Speaker 05

  Stay strong for it, nigga.

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  You wondering if everything gonna be okay? It will be okay if you just stay strong.

• 1:13:46Theo Von?

  Okay, get me one more, man. Get me a, oh, stop being humble, effing over there. Try that one.

• 1:13:53Speaker 05

  You out here being humble when everybody popping that shit. It's time for you start popping your shit, nigga.

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  Stop being humble for it, nigga.

• 1:14:05Speaker 05

  You out here being humble when everybody popping that shit. It's time for you start popping your shit, nigga.

• 1:14:13Theo Von?

  He just made me laugh, man. He's out of Mississippi, man. I just like his thing. He's just somebody I started watching, you know? There's like people you see and they come up, and then once you watch them a couple times and you keep having to watch them, you know?

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm obsessed with it.

• 1:14:25Theo Von?

  It's crazy, dude.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  I'm obsessed with Temptation Island, Spain.

• 1:14:28Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Theo Von?

  I could see that.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:14:31Theo Von?

  Yeah?

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  This is, this is the craziest reality show I've ever seen in my entire life. This guy Montoya, have you not heard of the Montoya guy?

• 1:14:38Theo Von?

  Mm-mm.

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Oh my god, it's incredible. So basically, Temptation Island, the idea is you and your girlfriend go to this island, and you split up, and then they send people to try to fuck you and try to fuck your girlfriend. To see if you'll cheat.

• 1:14:51Theo Von?

  And where are the people from? The mainland or whatever?

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  I think you're all from, they're all from Spain, pretty much. So some of them may be from other Spanish-speaking countries, but everybody speaks Spanish. So this one couple, she, that girl right there, Anita, Anita gets just banged out, I think, five days in by this other dude, and he's got a watch. So there's this other-

• 1:15:07Theo Von?

  Why did he get the watch?

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  Cause that's part of the show, bro. So they're just cuckin' my man Montoya. But Montoya is so charming that you actually don't look at him like a cuck. You're like, oh, this is, he's like a flamenco singer, he's the man. So, uh, he gets really emotional about watching the guy just beat cheeks on his girl.

• 1:15:23Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:25Theo Von?

  And this seems like modern-day Shakespeare almost, you know?

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:15:30Theo Von?

  You know what I'm talking about, kind of? There's very much a thing where like-

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's Othello, really.

• 1:15:35Theo Von?

  Yeah, when the, like, the figure would be like, would open up a portal in your head where you could thought this, your wife was cheating and you would take your own life or something?

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  So there it is. So like, he's gotta watch this security cam footage, and you could like, hear, like, pelvis hit cheeks.

• 1:15:48Theo Von?

  No.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Like this.

• 1:15:51Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's brutal, but it's also fantastic TV.

• 1:15:55Theo Von?

  God, I've never seen that.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  It's amazing, like, and I haven't watched the whole episode. I just watched like whatever highlights get clipped and put on like TikTok or Instagram. I think that's how I consume everything. But I, yeah, everything I possibly can, I consume.

• 1:16:08Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, it's funny because you start to want to have like an information diet. So there's things you can talk about with different guests or whatever. That's what I heard Mr. Beast say. Like he hires people to have an information diet.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  For him.

• 1:16:18Theo Von?

  So they all absorb stuff, then they filter it down. And then he gets like this stuff from them that's like fine tuned to exactly what he would want to know the most.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:16:26Theo Von?

  And that's crazy.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  So he has like a human version of ChatGPT.

• 1:16:30Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  So he has intelligence, intelligence.

• 1:16:34Theo Von?

  Yep, like real intelligence. He has like an algorithm that's, yeah, he's like a human kind of algorithm, you know? Sort of, I guess.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  So he's outsourcing his like interests.

• 1:16:42Theo Von?

  How do you run it back against those Paul guys, I wonder?

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  How do I run it back against Logan? Or Jake as well? Get Jake involved as well?

• 1:16:50Theo Von?

  Dude, I would fucking, if I saw those people in my dreams, I would beat the shit out of them.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good caveat right there. That's a very good caveat. Now Logan needs to get it back. Logan needs to get, Logan needs to get some get back. That's, that's the reality. You can't come into my place and do that, obviously. But, um, you know, Jake, I don't even know if Jake's going to be involved in, in wrestling, you know? He's doing his, he's doing his boxing thing.

• 1:17:14Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  But, um, but let's see what happens. I don't know. You never know. You never know with these things.

• 1:17:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  What about you? You gonna get involved in some wrestling?

• 1:17:22Theo Von?

  I don't know, dude. I thought about rat, trying to wrestle one of those guys. I would have to really stretch and focus on fitness.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:17:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, 100% I have to really stretch and focus on it.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Or you could just get dragged through the ring like I did.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  And then not work at fitness at all. You know, is it the craziest part of that scene? You didn't even see the end of it. I got dragged over to Bannister, ragdolled on the ground, rolled into the ring, bent over and put into a suplex. This other dude AJ saves me. After Logan leaves, I jumped on a top rope. Like I did something. I think I'm the first person in history to just get my ass kicked and still go on the top rope and celebrate.

• 1:18:03Theo Von?

  But it really goes back to exactly what we were saying earlier. If all people see is that clip of you on the top rope, they're like, this guy won.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  So I'm like, I might never do this again. What am I gonna not jump in the top rope? Come on. I gotta tell my daughter something.

• 1:18:16Theo Von?

  That's classic, man. Um, have you thought about over the years of moving out of, uh, New York? I know you, we were talking about the taxes and stuff in there and.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:18:25Theo Von?

  It's pricey. Have you ever thought about going down to Austin? Did you ever think about that?

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Not living there. No, no. I mean, like, look, it's, it's fucking incredible what Joe's done down there. Like, it's incredible.

• 1:18:36Theo Von?

  It's kinda crazy that it almost feels sometimes like the, like another cent, it definitely feels like another new center of comedy, which they didn't have five years ago.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  I can't believe I'm gonna say what I'm saying right now. Cause obviously you know, New York guys were incredibly biased about standup. We're like, the best standups are in New York and this is where you come. You gotta make your bones. This is what you gotta do. And then the idea was, okay, but if you wanna become like famous, you can go to LA, cause that's where the industry is. Somebody's gonna pop into the comedy store. They're gonna see you. You'll be famous. That's at least like the hope or the dreams or whatever, right? But, um, as of right now, if you're a young comic, right? What is your pathway to success in LA? If you're a young comic, what's your pathway to success in LA? Perception. Doesn't mean that it can't happen, but like in LA or New York, like what shows can you get on that eventually you become famous? Cause I know if I'm a young comic, I can manage to get on Kill Tony and become a regular.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  I'm selling out theaters around the country. These guys are selling real tickets. If I get into Joe's world and I'm able to go on the podcast a bunch and maybe even go on the road, like I'm getting a career. I mean, if, to me, it's like, we need to build, start building some infrastructure in New York. So these guys feel like there's a pathway to selling tickets. And that's not just New York, that's LA too. Those days of just like getting a role in a movie and then you sell tickets are done. You doing a TV show, one-off, and then you sell that, you don't just sell tickets. You need to be like ingratiating yourself to the people through standup comedy, if you wanna sell standup comedy tickets. So I don't blame, I don't begrudge any comic who's like, I wanna go to, move to Austin, cause I feel like that's where the thing is happening.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Especially if you just moved to New York or LA to make it. I'm from New York, like born and raised in New York. So like moving to another city.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Is like leaving my whole family, my friend group.

• 1:20:20Theo Von?

  Right, you're leaving your world. Oh, there you go. That's what I was thinking, I guess.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yo, my god, I do kinda look like that motherfucker.

• 1:20:26Theo Von?

  Diego Pena, what's his name?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Man.

• 1:20:28Theo Von?

  Diego Garcia?

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  He looks ugly next to Christian Bale, bro. And he's not even that ugly, bro. I'm saying he looks like me. So I can't be insulting him that much, but Christian Bale is one fucking handsome guy.

• 1:20:40Theo Von?

  Well, then imagine, if there's safe, there's another even less.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  Wait, did he AI my face onto that?

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  I did. This is face swap.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  God damn, bro. I look ugly next to Christian Bale.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  That motherfucker is handsome. Look at Bruce Wayne right there, dude.

• 1:20:55Theo Von?

  God.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Nah, he's a stud. Ah, he's a stud.

• 1:21:00Theo Von?

  Yeah, and I'm worse looking than you, so the tough part is, it only goes another step downhill.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Yo, how fucked up is that, me insulting him before I knew it was me? Like, ain't that, that's insanity right there, like, yo.

• 1:21:14Theo Von?

  I mean, it's the.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Where's my self-esteem at, dude?

• 1:21:18Theo Von?

  Don't come here for it. I don't know. I built this railroad on low self-esteem, dude. Haven't you ever heard of the low self-esteem engine?

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  No, I haven't.

• 1:21:29Theo Von?

  That's run on these tracks for years, dude. I mean, we're picking up, we're picking up steam, but it's been slow.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  Oh, god.

• 1:21:36Theo Von?

  What were we talking about, though?

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  Oh, there's the, the scene. So it's just like, I imagine every.

• 1:21:41Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, the scene.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Every, I mean, think about it, like, obviously, we're in different positions, right? Like, we're, we're in a different part of our career where we have, we can live wherever we want.

• 1:21:49Theo Von?

  It's not the beginning of our career.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  Exactly. So, but if you were young, and you're like, my pathway to success, like, what, if you go to LA, what do you, what shows do you get on to eventually make it? Like, what is your?

• 1:22:00Theo Von?

  Right. Well, there's a couple of things. One, you can get a lot of, there's a lot of, like, influencers and stuff out here. So there's a lot of, like, uh, social media influencers. That stuff is real out here. There's movie stars that live out here, and there's television shows, but I don't know if a lot of stuff still shoots in LA, which is kinda crazy, like, um, even whenever we shot this little movie with Spade there, we were like, um, they're like, thank you, people were like, thank you guys so much.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  For working here.

• 1:22:25Theo Von?

  We haven't had work in months. And I'm like, what do you mean? Cause I don't know who shoots what, you know? They're like, yeah, I'm like, in Hollywood? You haven't had work in months? And yeah, I guess there's just nothing shooting here, which seems crazy that you would build an industry. Where then nothing even shoots within it, you know? Like at a certain point, you can't cut every corner like, okay, we're gonna shoot out of state to get a tax break.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  But the tax incentives are really big. You can shoot up in Canada, you can shoot up in, over in Atlanta. Like, the tax incentives are huge to go shoot in these places.

• 1:23:00Theo Von?

  The one in California matched them, it seems like.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  I think like, like, it's just like we were saying, like, politics is always down river from, from culture, so.

• 1:23:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  They're gonna have to learn the hard way. They're gonna have to see the industry actually start to be negatively impacted, like, for a while. And then they're gonna have to vote out whoever's in power.

• 1:23:19Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  With that kind of influence. But LA thrives on Hollywood, like, there isn't LA without Hollywood. Like, that, that's the industry.

• 1:23:27Theo Von?

  That's true. I guess then it's kind of like Barcelona or something in a way, you know, some cool museums and it's beautiful.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  I, I, we don't even know you guys have museums out here, I'm gonna be honest with you. Like, somebody told me that. They're like, oh yeah, we were spending some time in museums. I was like, you got museums out here? Like, I thought you had that observatory shit that's up on the hill, and that's it.

• 1:23:45Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  We don't know that you have, like, the theater, like, do you have plays that come out in LA?

• 1:23:49Theo Von?

  I have no idea.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Like, can you watch Hamilton in LA ever?

• 1:23:53Theo Von?

  I don't know, it's a good question. Well, we don't really have that theater, that district, like, the theater district that New York has. I mean, Danny McBride was saying this the other day, he goes, you know, I've always been kind of amazed that LA doesn't, uh, put, like, historicize itself better as a structure. He's like, when you go down the street here, you should be, every other building should be, this is where, um.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  This was filmed, this is, yeah.

• 1:24:16Theo Von?

  This is where Sidney Poitier, uh, lived the first three years that he lived here, in this apartment, like, you know, like, and this, these buildings, we've kept them because they're, and some of it is still the same because, you know, you don't have as much wear and tear from the elements here. Um, outside of, like, the fires recently, but you don't have just, like, the constant salt, salt in the air like you do in a lot of places. But, um, but overall, he's like, yeah, I'm just kind of amazed that you don't go down the street and every other building is historical for some reason.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  Bro, I think that's a fantastic point, because that is the coolest thing. About LA Hollywood is like old Hollywood culture.

• 1:24:50Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Like, there's that hotel, the Sunset Tower or whatever. And like, it has this cool restaurant that feels like old Hollywood.

• 1:24:57Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, it's cool in there.

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  It's some fancy bougie shit, but it still feels like, oh, I can imagine directors in like the 60s.

• 1:25:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, what are you gonna say, huh?

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  You know, what is that, uh, what is that fucking girl with this, the air blowing her dress up?

• 1:25:08Theo Von?

  Oh, Shirley Temple or whatever?

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  No, my bro.

• 1:25:12Speaker 04

  Marilyn Monroe.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Marilyn Monroe.

• 1:25:14Theo Von?

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:25:18Theo Von?

  Well.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:25:21Theo Von?

  I'd like to have that stricken record. You're on to that fucking unbelievable. Well, dude, I'll tell you something, honey, the, here's the, the number one place, and I'm sorry.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  Who's the girl where her dress was blown up, Shirley Temple?

• 1:25:33Theo Von?

  I don't fight LA. I didn't think.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  No, he's right, he's right. Weinstein's innocent. Weinstein is innocent.

• 1:25:41Theo Von?

  I didn't think if they're blowing anybody's dress up, it's gonna be a child, obviously.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Go on.

• 1:25:45Theo Von?

  When people come to visit me, the one place that I take them every time, literally as a tour stop, is a cemetery that's near my apartment in Westwood that has Marilyn Monroe's grave in it, Hugh Hefner, Errol Flynn.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:25:59Theo Von?

  Carol O'Connor.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  The OGs.

• 1:26:01Theo Von?

  The guy from, um, Bad Grandpa or whatever.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:26:06Speaker 04

  Walter Matthau.

• 1:26:07Theo Von?

  Walter Matthau was in there. It's just like, you just show them like this, you know, that's kind of the neatest thing, I think.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  I think that's, I think it's a great point, because there is cool historical shit about LA. But you gotta embrace it and then protect it, and I think that maybe it's just such a new city, they don't see the value in it, like, we, you and I are from very kind of like old places in terms like of American history, not world history, but like, there's a lot of history in, I'm gonna give you New Orleans, I know you're not from New Orleans, but like, just this idea of.

• 1:26:37Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  There's like, and, and it's important to us to maintain that. We actually like the way that the buildings look. When a new fancy building goes up in New York, there's always this immediate rejection, we're like, ah, these fucking glasses, there goes the neighborhood, or whatever it is. So we, we, we try to protect, and I feel like LA is so transient, like, everybody that comes here is coming from Maine, or coming from, you know, Montana or some shit like that to go make it. So they don't really care that much about the history, they're like, what's going on now?

• 1:27:04Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  But the people from here, like Dove, like the people who actually grew up here, and like, that is the industry. Yeah, I would, I would like to see that protected. That's a great point. And then there's another version of you coming out here. It's not like a TMZ tour bus tour, whatever that stupid shit is like this is the Rock's house. It's like, nah, go see where fucking Sidney Poitier lived or go see where these historic actors like what's his face's first apartment. So Jack Nicholson's first apartment.

• 1:27:30Theo Von?

  So cool if they had that and still had under, they had it like really locked in. Dude, the guy, the founder of Canes, this guy Todd Graves, he still has his college apartment that was right next door to the uh, first Canes that's in Baton Rouge and you go in there, dude, and it is crazy. It's like, it's from 30 years ago, you know, or 20, 22 years ago or something. And it's just like old TV.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  He's maintained everything from it?

• 1:27:53Theo Von?

  Maintained it all sitting there. Pictures from back then and shit. His life got busy and so he just wasn't there for like eight years. And then he came back and it's just like magazines with like Jordan and Shaq on it, just fucking.

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  He's a beast, that guy.

• 1:28:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, he stays so busy. He works really hard. I think he's a little bit.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  He owns all of the Canes still, right? This is not a franchise restaurant. I think he owns. It's kinda, it's unbelievably impressive and maybe because I'm from New York, we just got one. There's one that just popped up in these village, but like I, I was talking to a buddy of mine who's actually like one of his lawyers. And he was kinda explaining it to him. It's like, this guy's like a real ambitious, like kinda genius. To put that together, it's, it's, it's very hard to, to not sell off your company as it becomes successful. To have that vision, like, I don't know if you're like this, but if I'm building something that's successful and then somebody offers me 300 million dollars for it, I'm like,

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  there's, some people are crazy enough to go, no, this shit is really worth 2 billion. I'm like, 2 billion, what is 2 billion dollars even like? What is that money even? You know what I mean? There are people that say no to 1 billion dollars because they know it could be worth 5. That's, isn't that crazy?

• 1:29:02Theo Von?

  Crazy.

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  What do you need that for?

• 1:29:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Like you can tap out of whatever you're doing. Maybe they really love what they're doing. Maybe that's it.

• 1:29:09Theo Von?

  But then you just sell it and get locked in as a consultant or whatever.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I guess you could, but maybe they would hate that. Maybe like they're like, it's my genius that drives this, this, this, this, this car.

• 1:29:21Theo Von?

  It's like that rigor mortis, whatever the Frank, whoever made Frankenstein or whatever, the doctor or whatever. He wanted to die with Frankenstein. He's like, you know, I think that's what happened. What happened with Frankenstein? I fucking don't even know what happened.

• 1:29:32Speaker 04

  It was Doctor Frankenstein and then it was the creature.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, isn't that crazy? That we think that Frankenstein is the, uh,

• 1:29:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Is the lifeless animal. You know, but it was actually the doctor.

• 1:29:46Theo Von?

  Imagine how he feels. He's like, what do you, hey, my name's Rick, you know? It's like, nobody fucking.

• 1:29:57Theo Von?

  I'm fucking Rick Hopkins, you know, I had a fucking bad, uh, bad frontal lobe surgery. Give me some, god damn.

• 1:30:06Theo Von?

  That's so true. It still goes back to, you see a clip of something.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  And you just believe it.

• 1:30:10Theo Von?

  That's what you believe.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  Believe it, yeah.

• 1:30:13Theo Von?

  That motherfucker's name is not even Frankenstein.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  It's called Creature, which is way more adept, right? Like, that feels like the name for it, but not.

• 1:30:25Theo Von?

  But at least that's his name.

• 1:30:30Theo Von?

  God, dude.

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, shout out Frankenstein.

• 1:30:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, um. Oh, how's the Trump thing going over in New York, dude?

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  You know, it's so interesting is like, uh,

• 1:30:39Theo Von?

  It was crazy how right after, the right after the election was over, everybody's kind of went on about regular life, kinda.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  Bro, it's, and like now I'm almost like annoyed by, I'm like, I thought we weren't gonna have to go through this again. Like, I don't know where, how it is, like here, where you're, where you're living. But we're back to like the bipartisan bickering, you know, like, like this Doge is a big deal, right? Even though there's no American that wants like waste, there's no American that wants like government bloat. There's no American that wants like inefficiency. I don't think any of us are like voting for those three things.

• 1:31:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  So this should be like unilateral support, like we should all get behind it. And maybe the way that they're doing, I think Trump even came out and be like, yo, we're gonna use a scalpel, not a hatchet. Like, I think we're being a little bit too forceful with the firings or whatever. But this is one of those things where like, it's so annoying. And I think you can, you can, you can blame Elon for this as well. Like on Twitter, he's a little bit antagonistic about shit.

• 1:31:33Theo Von?

  I noticed that recently. Some of the stuff he says, like, do you have to say that? Like, what are you doing right there?

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  You're in power now. Like, I think you have to have a little bit different energy when you're in power. I think when you're not in power, you're trying to get to power. Maybe that antagonism is, is helpful, right? It can like embolden the base. But you're, you're the leader now. Leaders don't need to poke a finger and like twist a knife or whatever, like.

• 1:31:54Theo Von?

  Well, I think what he's doing, I, I believe that what Elon is doing is by creating all that commotion on Twitter, it's only helping his own business, right? So it creates, now that everybody's, everyone wants to see what he's gonna say, but he's saying so many things, it's hard to even juggle. But so many people are engaging and interacting. I feel like it's probably the number one news app. I don't know if it's always been the number one news app.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  Has to be. It has to be. That's why, yeah, I mean, don't you learn everything?

• 1:32:18Theo Von?

  Stirring his own business. It's like, so the more he does that, it just, then it's more impressions, the more ads that he can sell, right? I don't know if that's true.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  But you're basically creating a place for people to go consume content in general. And if he's the biggest creator on that platform, then it makes sense that he continues to create. So you're saying that he's not doing this just to get out information, but he's also doing this to like uplift the app?

• 1:32:41Theo Von?

  It's like a hype machine, yeah.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. That's, that's a good take. But that's what the feeling you get from it.

• 1:32:46Theo Von?

  I'm at least, cause otherwise, it's kind of in, some of this shit's kind of insane. It's like, what is this like? How is he doing all of these things? And if he's not doing all these things, cause who could have time to do all this, then who is doing it?

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  And it's kind of, it's kind of annoying because he's a genius. You want him on your side. Like, I want the guy who makes the rockets on America's side if we go to World War III.

• 1:33:08Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  Like, I think that's a pretty good idea, that we get the guy who's gonna send a ship to Mars on our side. If we're gonna have like drone warfare throughout the world. Like, let's keep him in our good graces. I do think, and I, I'm a little bit more optimistic about this administration. That's what I've realized with most people, like sane people. Is it, if you don't, if you didn't vote for Trump, but you're, you're not like a, like a complete like lunatic extremist. On both sides, by the way. If you're just kind of like a normal, regular guy, but you feel like you, you lean left a little bit more. You go, you just are pessimistic about the administration. And if you lean maybe right a little bit more, but you're not some insane like right wing quack, you're optimistic about the administration.

• 1:33:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  We both kind of want the same thing. We want the best thing for American people.

• 1:33:53Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  We might disagree about where we get there, but we do want the most opportunity, wealth,

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  ease of living for American people. So, when it comes to, when it comes to administration, I'm like a little bit more optimistic about like, I'm like, okay, let's just see how this works.

• 1:34:08Theo Von?

  Right, that's how I feel.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  Let's just give them, give them us, people are going, oh, he's doing all these tariffs. It's like, my man, I don't, I'm not an economist. I know you aren't an economist.

• 1:34:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  I don't know if this is a negotiation. Like, if you go to buy a car and the car is like a hundred grand, and, and you go in, you go, alright, I'm gonna offer 80 grand, right? Knowing that they're gonna settle around 90, right? The problem is, when you do that, you do that in privacy with the car dealer. Trump gotta do it publicly, and now he's got people in his own country going, "How dare you offer 80? That's so disrespectful." And he can't come out and go, "Dumbass, we're gonna settle at 90. I just gotta start at 80, so could you give me fucking two weeks to get here?"

• 1:34:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, they don't give him any, nobody gives him a beat to see what the long-term plan is. Like, if you want manufacturing jobs back in America, then you have to make it so that it more, makes more sense for people to make cars in America.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:35:03Theo Von?

  That's just business. Like, I agree with you. I would, I never was against Biden. I've never been against anybody that's been in office. I've always just wanted the best. It's like, I want the best. I'm never gonna depend on the government for my life. Like, I don't wake up every day and see what the fucking government's doing. I get out of bed and I try and take care of myself, or, you know, you know, take care of your family, like you're doing. It's like, that's probably what most people think.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:26Theo Von?

  Anybody that has time to argue online all day is also insane, right? Like, not saying that we don't all put our beliefs out there sometimes, but...

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  I hear what you're saying.

• 1:35:33Theo Von?

  But it's like, but you have to, like, that's one thing. Somebody said the other night, "Oh, Trump said it during that, that whole, like, State of the, whatever, the..."

• 1:35:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:42Theo Von?

  "...delegacy address."

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:43Theo Von?

  It was just, it was like the State of the Two Parties address. But the, if you got to watch the hour and a half of that, I don't care what side of it, this shit was hilarious. It was like, somebody who wrote, like, "Noises Off" or something. It was just fascinating. Joint Congressional Committee's address, or whatever. Um, yeah, there was like, fucking, they kept cutting this white dude that was asleep. They threw Al Green out. People thought he was Jimmy Snuka. Threw him out dude. They kept people like Democrats that only had their feelings on little signs that said like not good or gazootite or whatever like.

• 1:36:14Speaker 01

  I bumped into Al Green at the Breakfast Club. He was going on after me and someone was like, hey, who wants to? Al Green wants to say hello. And I was like, yeah, sure. That'd be cool. And this guy just got chucked out of the fucking Senate. That'd be whatever. And I went and I go, I say, and like his like handle or something like that is like waiting there with like a camera like tucked here for the handshake picture. And I was like, did I just get set up in a photo op to make me look sympathetic to what hap- like, I'm like, what exactly is going on?

• 1:36:41Theo Von?

  That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that that's also scary when everybody has cameras everywhere now.

• 1:36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:47Theo Von?

  Yeah. A lot of people thought that was Jimmy Snuka, which makes total sense as well.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:51Theo Von?

  I think it still think it was.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  What a body, huh?

• 1:36:54Theo Von?

  Let's get it on. Um, was that, that was Al Green? Let's get it on?

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Let's get it on. Yeah, I think so. But yeah, so it's a tricky, yeah, it's a tricky, it's a tricky time now politically.

• 1:37:07Theo Von?

  But I just don't like it. You kind of hope like, hopefully there's some long-term strategy here. It's like, cause if you just look at the little bits, it's kind of fucking scary.

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

  Also, if the, if, and I'm not trying to just like bag on the last administration, but like if people are uncomfortable. And the last administration was running on this platform of, hey, we're going to keep doing the same thing that we've been doing.

• 1:37:29Theo Von?

  And those are bad plans.

• 1:37:30Speaker 01

  You can't really blame Americans for going, well, that's not working for me right now. I gotta try something different.

• 1:37:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  And then giving the new thing a little bit of leeway. It's not like, again, I might be more optimistic. And if it goes bad, I will be the first person to criticize it, right? I have no problem criticizing whoever's in power.

• 1:37:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  Okay, this is the easiest thing in the fucking world for me. But I, I am hoping. I'm at least going to give a little bit of grace and hoping that this is going to work out for all of us. And I'm going to give it more than a fucking few months. I'm going to give it a little bit to see where it goes. And if it does go. I'm not going to be the guy to go, told you so, you fucking idiot. Like, cause that's not the joy that it brings me. The joy that brings me is like, hey, shit, we're, we're actually making some cool change.

• 1:38:12Theo Von?

  Right. America's going to be doing better.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  We got opportunity to, you know, start here and get up here.

• 1:38:16Theo Von?

  Imagine if you brought some ministries back where people have pride in their homes and in their towns, dude. I'll tell you this, we've gone on this tour. I've been on, we've gone to probably 200. The top 200 cities so far, size wise, right? We've gone fucking everywhere. And a lot of the places, man, it's the same. It's like, there's no, there's not a lot of businesses there. There's some cities that have kind of changed and had some turnaround and it's been uplifting. But there's been a lot of places that it hasn't, you know? And, um, and it's sad. It's like, oh, all this place needs is one good, like, influx of, uh, of people and a purpose. You know, when people have jobs, they have purpose. Yeah, and so it's like, I'm just gonna, I'm for surely gonna stay hopeful. I hope that if, if, if there's some tariff stuff and then we start making our own fucking cars here.

• 1:39:02Theo Von?

  Dude, there's a guy who just made a show, a, a, a T, um, a T-shirt. I think it's called American Giant. Can you look that up? There's a guy, he wanted to make, find a T-shirt that was made in America, American Giant clothing. He couldn't even get a T-shirt.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  That was completely made here.

• 1:39:20Theo Von?

  He couldn't get a, he couldn't get a, a whatever this is called, a template or a blank.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, a blank.

• 1:39:25Theo Von?

  In America, he couldn't, they didn't have it, right? They didn't, we don't make a fucking T-shirt in this company, right?

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  Country, yeah.

• 1:39:34Theo Von?

  So, uh.

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  Don't they make Teslas here?

• 1:39:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, so Teslas are an American-made car.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  So like, bare minimum, and like, I'm not trying to knock any of the American, you know, other American cars, right? Like, but I don't think Ford is entirely made here.

• 1:39:48Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:39:49Speaker 01

  I might be wrong. I don't think they are.

• 1:39:52Theo Von?

  You drive Ford, somebody said to me, I'm like, that's when I knew.

• 1:39:56Theo Von?

  Like, hold on, how's this guy know how to pronounce it?

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  Swedish guy?

• 1:40:01Theo Von?

  But, uh. That's a great question, let's look that up. Yeah, what cars are made here, or what percentage of Teslas are made in America? What percentage of Fords are made in America? That's a great question, man.

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  And I, and I guess that, you know, you, you could be putting together the full car here, but maybe there's like certain factories that are doing other stuff. And I'm okay with that, like, I'm, I'm okay with outsourcing to different countries. I think it gives them opportunities as well, that's a cool thing. But.

• 1:40:21Theo Von?

  Tesla claims that nearly 100% of the vehicles it sells in the United States are manufactured domestically.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  Exceeding the industry average of 52%. Wow, now that doesn't mean they don't make cars in other countries as well.

• 1:40:36Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  But the ones that are sold here made here, regardless, okay? If we wanna attack in a car company, right? And again, I don't know if they're attacking Tesla because they don't like the product. They're attacking Tesla because they don't like the CEO of the company.

• 1:40:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  And that is the risk of being a celebrity CEO. By the way, there's like CEOs of, and you talk about this all the time, but like some of these like pharmaceutical companies, we don't know who the fuck they are.

• 1:40:58Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:40:58Speaker 01

  And there's a reason, because if we did.

• 1:41:00Theo Von?

  People would execute him. Something could happen.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  Something could happen.

• 1:41:05Theo Von?

  We don't know?

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  Something could hap- like-

• 1:41:07Theo Von?

  Somebody could throw them a surprise party.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  Bro, if you, if you have a billion dollar business and nobody knows who you are, you're doing some fucked up shit, my boy.

• 1:41:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're doing some fucked shit, man.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:41:18Theo Von?

  Some fucked shit, homie, yeah.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  So-

• 1:41:20Theo Von?

  For real.

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  So, so this is like a kinda shitty situation where like, yes, I understand that he's antagonizing people. He's like rubbing people the wrong way. You don't like the guy, you don't like the beliefs, you don't like what he's doing. And there are things to criticize. I'm not saying there aren't things to criticize. Like, everybody is, nobody's above criticism. But to punish that car company that is 100% made in America, made by people living in America, Americans rely on those jobs. Like, maybe we criticize another thing.

• 1:41:48Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:41:49Speaker 01

  Like, what is your goal? That we shut down those factories and those Americans lose those jobs? That makes you feel better about your gripe with Elon?

• 1:41:56Theo Von?

  That's the thing. Some people, they, they just wanna win an argument, it feels like, you know, sometimes.

• 1:42:00Speaker 01

  There's people that rely on those fucking jobs.

• 1:42:02Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure, dude.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  They got kids, bro.

• 1:42:04Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, dude, there's no doubt about it. But here's one thing that I think is sad about the, about Doge, is that the fact that we have to out, we now have to have someone audit our own government. Our government is supposed to be the thing that we can trust. Like, it will never end now. And people are like, why is this guy be having a team that audits? It's like, I agree, but I'll let anybody audit. If, if we bring on another company, they audit and they find, I'd give them 10% of the bloat that they find. If they, you know what I'm saying? The simple fact that we now have to audit our own government?

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I just, you know, I don't, people, I think, will gravitate towards corruption naturally. And I think it's something that you constantly have to fight every single second.

• 1:42:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, you definitely have to.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  You said something interesting, though, like this idea, like, you wake up every morning, you're like, I don't expect the government to do something for me. I think that's a, a more like southern and frontier belief. You know, I think that like, when you grow up in, in like New York- There is this relationship with the government where you're like, if the roads are fucked up, you start going, yo, why the roads fucked up? Like, we're spending all this money in taxes, or like, the government, you're supposed to do, you're giving me all these rules I gotta live by, so you might as well do some shit. But that's interesting that you have this perspective, which is like, I don't expect anything from you guys. And I wonder if when they encroach on your freedoms, it's that much more annoying because you're like, I don't rely on you for anything, and you're gonna tell me what to do?

• 1:43:27Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  Whereas we might be more accepting of, of the laws and the encroachment of freedoms, because we are more reliant on them for certain things.

• 1:43:37Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  So, and, and I wonder if that's why, like, some of the COVID stuff was way easier to accept in big cities, because we're already have this symbiotic relationship with government.

• 1:43:46Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  Whereas in places like Florida, or even, you know, more other like southern, maybe, I guess, some red states, not all.

• 1:43:53Theo Von?

  Yeah, a lot of rural areas.

• 1:43:54Speaker 01

  And more rural areas, it's like, yo, listen, don't mess with me, because I don't ask you for shit.

• 1:43:59Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  And now you're getting into my house and telling me what to do, when I already don't ask you for anything.

• 1:44:04Theo Von?

  Right, we have one road.

• 1:44:06Speaker 01

  We keep it clean.

• 1:44:07Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 1:44:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I drive a truck, so you don't have to pave it.

• 1:44:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:44:13Theo Von?

  Right, we're doing, yeah.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:15Theo Von?

  That's a good, but yeah, it is interesting how like different areas could affect your perception. And yeah, like, I think a lot of, like, one other thing is, I think a lot of people just worry about our tradition starting to disappear, and I think that's where a lot of pushback comes from.

• 1:44:27Speaker 01

  What you mean by that?

• 1:44:28Theo Von?

  Just like, you know, like tearing down of statues and saying that everything is racist and stuff, and not honoring our history, whether it is racist or not, like, not deny, like, you know, if you take it away completely in three generations, no, you know.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  This is the tricky thing where it's like, I, okay, I, I try to meet people at their intentions, because I often want people to judge me on my intentions. When I say some like crazy fucked up joke that's not even fully fleshed out on a podcast, and then, I want people to go, oh, he just wanted it to be funny, not, oh, this guy's an evil asshole.

• 1:45:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:02Speaker 01

  Right? So, when I see people doing the, taking like the progressive measures that might feel like they're going too far. At least have some empty, I go, alright, I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to make this world that we live in, this country we live in, a more comfortable place for everybody. And you're thinking about these oppressed or ostracized groups. And you're like, how can they not see certain imagery that might remind them of these horrible things that their ancestors went through? So like, I go, okay, I get that, maybe you have some really good intentions here. And then we can meet at, at that, where we go, I get your good intentions. And then, then we start to have, then let's have the conversation of, okay, how much of that are we gonna remove before we start removing like, the history of our country?

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  And some of the history is ugly and that's, it's unfortunate, but it is the history. Like, removing it doesn't remove the history.

• 1:45:51Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  But at least, at least not looking at them like they're assholes that wanna destroy America. Maybe some of them are, but I think some of them also just kinda wanna make life better for people.

• 1:46:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:00Speaker 01

  I, I don't think everybody's bad. I think there are bad actors on both sides. But I think there's some people who like, maybe they were bullied a lot as a kid. And they're like, man, I don't want anybody to go through that shit. Like, I, yeah, I don't, I, I wanna look out for some people and create some more protections. And sometimes those protections might go like, a little bit too far. And then sometimes, instead of creating protections, people will, like, hurt people, hurt people. They'll do the opposite. They'll be like, oh, white people are horrible. It's like, okay, okay, you, you're going too far.

• 1:46:28Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  You might have experienced some really fucked up people in your childhood. And maybe you have that way of looking at it, but it's not gonna help if that's your way of communicating.

• 1:46:35Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think the truth is usually kind of in the middle. I think you're right, you know? And the fact that, yeah, it's like, it's, it's so funny. It's like, you get so stuck in your own perspective of what your own perspective is. And you need to be in your own perspective because it's a survival thing too. It's like, if I'm sitting here daydreaming or something and I get attacked by an animal or something, then that's on me, right? But it's like, but to actually put yourself in somebody else's shoes and think like, well, what it is? What is it really like?

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:01Theo Von?

  You know, or what is like, going through like, certain classes or history class or things like that? Like, if you're a different ethnicity or a different sex or something, what's that shit really like? You know? They're supposed to have VR goggles that were supposed to be able to do that, you know?

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  We could just see what it was like being Native American back in it.

• 1:47:17Theo Von?

  Yeah. Hey, uh-huh.

• 1:47:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're all Italians.

• 1:47:22Theo Von?

  Look, but look, the goggles kinda like, they set it up to make it sound like, who really killed the Native Americans was Italian?

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  Christopher Columbus, "Look at these guys, hey, fucking red horse, get over here."

• 1:47:36Speaker 02

  Fuck outta here. "How many necklaces we gonna wear, huh?" "You called the night, how about some blankets, eh?"

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  Hey, hey, hey, huh? That would be cool though, like-

• 1:47:49Theo Von?

  But you could set it to any way, you know?

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  Oh, that's- Cause he was Italian, right? Wasn't Columbus Italian?

• 1:47:55Theo Von?

  They said he was, who the fucking knows, dude? I'm sure he was probably Italian via Israel, according to-

• 1:48:03Theo Von?

  According to, uh, a lot of Reddit feeds, so-

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  So Twitter, it's just, they just blame everything on the Jews, bro, like, it's not even- Shit that you didn't even imagine, it's the Jews' fault, right? They got nothing to do with it. Soon they gonna blame Christmas on the Jews. Oh, that was kinda-

• 1:48:26Theo Von?

  The Jews are impressed, but also not cool at the same time.

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  They're like, "What if they're like, yo, can you blame some good shit too? Like, we did some good shit, right? Like, y'all like Christianity?"

• 1:48:37Theo Von?

  Like you like watching Family Man, don't you? That's one of your favorite Christmas movies, isn't it, huh? Gangs in New York, who do you think fucking put that together?

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  All them Christmas carols. They're probably written by Jews.

• 1:48:48Theo Von?

  A lot of them are, man.

• 1:48:49Speaker 02

  See?

• 1:48:50Theo Von?

  It's so funny.

• 1:48:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are we gonna do?

• 1:48:52Theo Von?

  What, um, I'm trying to think of what else is going on, dude, that I was thinking about.

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  What's up in your life, man?

• 1:49:00Theo Von?

  Everything is fine, man. I've just been, just been, just been working a lot, you know? Like, last year, we really focused on if we had some time off to go and, um, just worry, like, go travel to a place to get guests and stuff, you know? So it was like a big focus last year to do that, and, uh-

• 1:49:17Speaker 02

  Have you taken, like, a vacation?

• 1:49:19Theo Von?

  No, not in a while. I was supposed to get one over the holidays, and it just didn't happen.

• 1:49:22Speaker 02

  Do you like, do you like taking time off? Does that-

• 1:49:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  -feed you at all?

• 1:49:26Theo Von?

  Yeah, I need it. I need more of it.

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  And do you enjoy it? Like, is your time off just hanging at a beach? Or do you like going to like a city that you're really interested in, like, learning about the history? Like, what is, what is your version of a-

• 1:49:37Theo Von?

  It's just been the beach, really. I think I've been like, I think I just kinda got, I just put so much work on the calendar that I didn't start to schedules. I would love to take two weeks off and go to like a country or something.

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  That'd be awesome.

• 1:49:49Theo Von?

  You know?

• 1:49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:51Theo Von?

  So, but then I start to think about that, like, well, I should probably get a girlfriend or like a fiance. First, because if you go by your, who are you, unless you get a buddy to go with or something, that could be fun. But it's like, two weeks, you can't really go by yourself, really, you know? And so then it's like, what are you gonna do exactly?

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  I imagine you with like a small Asian tour guide.

• 1:50:08Speaker 01

  And that's it.

• 1:50:09Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  Just you guys motorcycling around Vietnam or Cambodia or something.

• 1:50:13Theo Von?

  Just say shit to them all the time?

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  Knock, knock. Yeah, that would be, that would be ideal. But not traveling alone is cool, too.

• 1:50:23Theo Von?

  Cutting them little, feeding them a little piece of yam or whatever.

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you don't have to feed them, you know, they, they might feed themselves out there.

• 1:50:29Theo Von?

  Uh, the first struggle, Bear went through, the first struggle was finding all the components, the cotton, the buttons, the zippers, the rivets. Uh, once Bear did all that, he ended up with his first product, a plain hooded sweatshirt. Um, we already know all this stuff.

• 1:50:43Theo Von?

  Um, I was looking at what some of the price issues were and stuff that he faced, but it was a nightmare for this guy to do it and he couldn't get it done at like, you know, it came down like thirty seven dollars or something, which is, you know, which, but to do it on a regular basis. And then Walmart, um, decided we're gonna support him, we're gonna give him like a big order.

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  That's fire.

• 1:51:00Theo Von?

  So that's kinda where he's at right now.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  And if you can make a big order, you can obviously reduce the pricing.

• 1:51:03Theo Von?

  Right, then you can go ahead to the places, say, look, now I'm gonna order this many, can you give me a better rate, you know, so?

• 1:51:08Speaker 01

  Can you get the material from, does the material also have to come from here? I imagine we have to get all of our material from other countries.

• 1:51:14Theo Von?

  That's a good question.

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  Are we creating textiles here?

• 1:51:17Theo Von?

  It's a good question. It's crazy, cause you don't know, you know, it's like, a lot of this stuff, we don't even know. And then you look around and you're like, but if you find out that we can't even, you can't even get a T-shirt here, then you're like, well, fuck, if we're not even making one T-shirt, then what are we making here?

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, we're completely reliant. It's, it's a little scary, I guess.

• 1:51:35Theo Von?

  That's the thing, it starts to get scary.

• 1:51:37Speaker 01

  Cause, yeah, I mean, uh, cause T-shirts are the, the least necessary product that we are completely reliant on other countries for.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  So if we're relying on T-shirts, what else are we relying on? Are we relying on technology in some ways? Like, what are the things that become, uh, like, at-risk topics for us?

• 1:51:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:59Speaker 01

  That we're relying on other countries? Cause it's nice to know that you're not reliant, or that the entire world is reliant on each other? And if everybody's relying on each other, okay, then there's like a mutually assured destruction.

• 1:52:10Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  Maybe that's good, but...

• 1:52:12Theo Von?

  Right, just tell us the truth. If we know everything, I would just love it if, like, here's the, the exact facts.

• 1:52:17Speaker 01

  Yo, when do you think, alright, you know how like conspiracies are incredibly popular right now? And like, now everybody kinda knows the conspiracies. So the, that immediate hit of, of dopamine you get when you like, share like, the real truth with somebody who doesn't know it?

• 1:52:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:34Speaker 01

  And when they look at you, they're like, "Oh my god, you're so smart," or whatever.

• 1:52:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  Now that everybody knows the conspiracies, do you think that we start, the pendulum starts to shift back to like, kinda what really happened? Cause the conspiracy is like the most exaggerated version of what happened.

• 1:52:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:53Speaker 01

  And what really happened is probably pretty boring. Like, the truth of most things is probably pretty fucking boring.

• 1:53:00Theo Von?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  It's not what the media's told us, that's for certain. Those, those are lies, 100%. But it's not what like, the Reddit historians have said.

• 1:53:09Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:09Speaker 01

  And it's probably in here, and then we all go, "Ah."

• 1:53:13Theo Von?

  Alright.

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like, that is, I wonder if like, there's something like that even to the Epstein list? Like, everybody's waiting for this Epstein list, and they're waiting for it to be like, direct logs, where it's like, "Bill Gates paid for anal from a 16-year-old at da-da-da-da-da-da."

• 1:53:28Theo Von?

  Yeah, 4:30 or whatever.

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  And then it's like, name, picture, fucking, whatever it is. And then, every time they hand out like, the binder or whatever it is, nothing that crazy comes out. Now, don't get me wrong, I believe he's like a prolific pedophile. He'd, like, if he's, if he is still alive, find him and fucking kill him. The girl too, off, anybody who's involved in it, defended it, anybody who's on the fucking flight logs, put him in prison, like, let's, we need some justice here. But have we created an idea of what this is? Which is so far removed from what it actually is.

• 1:54:04Theo Von?

  Right, and that's why they're like, this is gonna be so upsetting, there's seven people.

• 1:54:08Speaker 01

  They're gonna think, they're gonna think we're liars anyway.

• 1:54:10Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:54:11Speaker 01

  Like, cuz imagine they gave us a list and there was like, there was like 25 people on it. Right? We'd be like, man, you fucking pieces of shit lying to us again. Like, the only thing we would believe if, if literally every single world leader went in there.

• 1:54:24Theo Von?

  Right, they, yeah, this list better be so, that's why I think they're still, they're probably working with like, top producers, Eli Roth, like guys who really can put on a good show, Todd Phillips, you know?

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  How do we sell this story to the American people?

• 1:54:39Theo Von?

  He was on here, like, he's off. But yeah, I think, yeah, how do we, what do we, this has, this better be good.

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  Why don't we just get, this is the way I was thinking, we, we solved it. The guy who gave, who let Epstein manage his money is this guy named Les Wexner or something like that? He's this guy who started Victoria's Secret.

• 1:54:57Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:54:58Speaker 01

  And like, I don't even think Epstein went to college or something. So like, how the fuck do you end up managing his billionaire's money? This guy's like 90 years old. Give him immunity. Just go, yeah, this guy right here, Les Wexner, okay? He's, he's a billionaire, he's 87 years old. You just go, listen, you're about to fucking die. Can you just tell us what happened?

• 1:55:17Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:55:17Speaker 01

  Tell us what happens, we'll give you immunity. You don't get to die a hero at all, you're a piece of shit that probably funded this whole fucking thing or connected different people to different stuff. We don't know what the fuck you're actually doing, you're involved. But you don't get to die a, well, you still die a biological piece of shit. But maybe you do one good thing in your life before you fucking die.

• 1:55:37Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  And then the American people get some satisfaction, the victims get some satisfaction, but you get to actually know what's happening. Cuz I don't even know if we, I don't, I don't know if we actually will get to know it happening unless somebody who was involved says it specifically.

• 1:55:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:51Speaker 01

  And I don't believe Ghislaine, cuz I think her pops was, he was part of Mossad, right? Like, so I don't believe anything she's gonna say, so.

• 1:55:59Theo Von?

  Yeah, nobody's gonna tell the truth.

• 1:56:01Speaker 01

  Right, like.

• 1:56:02Theo Von?

  I'm just amazed that that many people wanted to be pedophiles or whatever.

• 1:56:06Speaker 01

  So here's the thing, I don't know.

• 1:56:07Theo Von?

  That's part of me that doesn't believe that. I'm like, you're telling me.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  I don't think they wanted to. I think that, I think he was like, yo, I got some young bitches on an island, we're all gonna fuck. But I don't think that he said, I have underage women to incriminate you on an island.

• 1:56:19Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:56:19Speaker 01

  I think he's like, yo, I got some 20 year old fucking Russian bitches, they're on an island. And all these dudes were like, oh, we gonna go party with Russian bitches? Like, I, I wonder if it's as simple as like some club promoter going, I got a table full of girls at Tao tonight. You wanna party? And people go, well, that sounds like a great idea. Nobody's IDing those girls.

• 1:56:37Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:56:37Speaker 01

  And they for sure are on IDM, cuz why would they go, yeah, this guy's gonna make me a pedophile this weekend?

• 1:56:43Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:43Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:56:45Speaker 01

  Like, so, and then maybe afterwards, they go, by the way, that girl was this old.

• 1:56:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  So I'm gonna need you on a certain day to do a favor. That's how I would imagine it would be most effective.

• 1:56:57Theo Von?

  And what if some of the girls were not even underage or anything? You don't even know if you got, if you, you could have somebody say that, you're so scared, you're already like, you're, there's some favor in the wind. That alone, the mirage of that, would, that's the biggest thing. You have no fucking idea.

• 1:57:13Speaker 01

  That's a great point, too.

• 1:57:14Theo Von?

  But you're gonna be so scared, like, well, first of all, I don't wanna see, I'm so bad at sex, I don't want anybody to see a video of it.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  Fucking to hook her on an island still is bad if you're like a political figure that has a family and you have children, like.

• 1:57:25Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:57:25Speaker 01

  You could be, it could be old, they could be old enough, and it's still like, you don't want that out, because it ruins your career.

• 1:57:31Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:32Speaker 01

  So, yeah, there are many ways to, to do it.

• 1:57:35Theo Von?

  That, yeah, I mean, it's definitely, and then it's like, how do you doctor all that up to present it to the American, because it's a fucking, you have to find, you have to serve a Mona Lisa.

• 1:57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:45Theo Von?

  To the American people. There's, cuz there's no, but then they're like, we have to make sure all these people that information that's released, but maybe some of that's true. Like, you put information and has a name in it that you're not sure, and then you get sued by that person.

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  Or you gotta protect these girls who are underage and they were raped by these famous people.

• 1:57:59Theo Von?

  Facts.

• 1:58:00Speaker 01

  And like, they have moved on with their lives, they got families, do they want their information out there in the world?

• 1:58:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:05Speaker 01

  Probably not. They're like, I don't wanna relive that shit, so redact me, or whatever that term is.

• 1:58:10Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:11Speaker 01

  But yeah, I just feel like we're at this point where like if we're going through this phase in America where we are we're in all time low trust in all of our institutions.

• 1:58:20Theo Von?

  And what happens from here? There's two ways we go.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  Talk, talk to me.

• 1:58:23Theo Von?

  It gets better somehow.

• 1:58:24Speaker 01

  Or.

• 1:58:25Theo Von?

  Or it starts to devolve even more. And crazier, see, it gets deeper and deeper. It's so funny because yeah, I I've had both feelings. Yesterday I had the feeling like, holy shit, dude. Nobody's gonna know where to trust anything anymore. It's gonna get really interesting.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  Or you start being honest. Like, that's kind of. That's, that's why.

• 1:58:48Theo Von?

  Right, or you start being honest.

• 1:58:49Speaker 01

  And, and like. Yo, we're Americans. We can deal with shit. Like, we've dealt with horrible things before in our past.

• 1:58:56Theo Von?

  Even as humans, we can.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  That's it. So it's like. And, and I think there's a version where like, accepting these things and moving on allows us to have even more pride. Where, right now, we're in this like, age of like ambiguity. We're like, we wanna be really proud. But we're like, but is some of this shit true? Like, we're just unsure.

• 1:59:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:17Speaker 01

  Let us accept it. Let's accept these, the stains on our history. And then let's move on and make greater history. Let's make greater things to be proud of. I think it's a moment in history to be proud of where your, an administration comes in, they go, listen. We, unfortunately, the government let these food companies poison you. You know, and a lot of people are negatively impacted like that. A lot of people got cancer, probably because of food that they were eating, and that's, that's fucked up. That's horrible. And we're gonna either punish some of those food organizations, or bare minimum, we're gonna make it illegal for them to do that shit. Hey, some of these pharmaceutical companies, they were jabbing you up with shit that you didn't need to be jabbed up with, and they were doing that so they could profit. We're gonna either punish them, or we're gonna stop allowing them to do it so the next generation of Americans doesn't have to go through what you guys went through.

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  And then, you go. You know what's fire about America? We realize when we fucked up and we have the energy and excitement and the confidence, the self-esteem to go, all right, we're changing it and we're gonna live up to the expectations that we have for ourselves.

• 2:00:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  And I, that's why I like, you could say whatever you want about RFK. It seems to me what he wants to do is make a positive change for people. Let's see if he's able to do it, but in terms of making America healthy or whatever the slogan is, why would you not want America to be more healthy? Like, give the guy a second to fucking try it, like.

• 2:00:35Theo Von?

  Every minute they're like, this is the problem today. And then that becomes a story every day. It's just like how fucked up it is. And I have friends now that are addicted to the news and I'm just like, dude, just live your life, see, everything's gonna probably be fine. It's already been fine, we're already damaged, we all have cancer or whatever. Everything, you know, we're doing our best and shit and like, you know, how drastically bad do you expect things to get, you know?

• 2:00:59Speaker 01

  Wouldn't it be cool like, this, this is all I said, like, obviously, you know, I have a daughter, so I'm like, and she's of the age where going through vaccines and stuff and it's terrifying, you know? I was talking to Joe about this, it was like, it's the most terrifying thing you ever experienced in your life is you have the most perfect thing you've ever created and you have to put something in them and you've watched a video on YouTube that says that it could do something horrible to her. But if you don't do it, she could get some disease that could do something horrible to her. So you're like, what, how do I protect my kid? There, there's a fork in the road and both potentially leads to horrible. How do I protect my kid? I would love nothing more than to do like an intense, like, and I'm sure they've already done this, so if they have and call me an idiot, that's fine, I'm an idiot, whatever. But like intense like research into, you know, the vaccinations.

• 2:01:40Speaker 01

  And I would love nothing more if we found out, hey, you know what it, it looks like they are safe for them and there's very low chance cause of anything negative for your kid. How much nicer would that feel than right now what all of us new parents are feeling, which are like, do I have to delay it, like which ones, how do I protect my child?

• 2:01:56Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:01:58Speaker 01

  Like, just, like, we want the research. We want it. It's, we wanna know.

• 2:02:04Theo Von?

  And I think if you gave Bobby an hour, you know, even if it was 20 minutes a week where he gave a speech or something, and maybe that he should start doing that to update people. Uh, Robert Kennedy Jr. to say, hey, this is where things are at, and we're gonna try our best, and this is what we're gonna try to do. Maybe that would be great to have some sort of an address.

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 2:02:20Theo Von?

  You know, Trump's addresses, sometimes they're so, you know, they're Trumpian, you know, they're just like, kind of the bare facts, and like, you know, we're gonna win type shit, so maybe if you had Vance give something that was a little bit more elongated, and a little bit more, um, had a little bit more, uh, personal notation and feeling to it, like a, you know.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  Didn't FDR do that? I think they were called the fireside chats.

• 2:02:41Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:42Speaker 01

  Where he was talking to people.

• 2:02:43Theo Von?

  I think you're right. We might need something like that.

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  Dude, because there's so much muck out there. There's so much bullshit information, and like, we're guilty of that too. We just spout whatever on the fucking mic, and who knows if it's true or not, but it'd be nice if we had information disseminated from the people in power. It might be wrong, or it might be right, but they are the people in power, so we can at least hold them to that standard. If they say that they're doing this specific thing, and we disagree with it, we can be like, I disagree with that.

• 2:03:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  But if Bobby's coming out, and he's going, listen, we're getting the red dye out of here. It doesn't benefit anybody. There are other ways to create, uh, I don't know, sugar coloring substitutes that are less harmful to you. Does anybody disagree with this? Everybody goes, no. Okay. Done.

• 2:03:24Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 2:03:25Theo Von?

  Yeah, there's still so many people that just want somebody to be wrong all the time, you know, so maybe that'll start to go away. I don't know. But yeah, I think if I wake up each day and I looked at everything as politics and stuff, and, um, it would just, it just starts to wear on you, and then that algorithm learns you, and then you're a fucking puppet. You become a puppet. What else is going on? Let's think of something in entertainment. I'm trying to think of something, um, was there a job that you had when you were young that you missed ever?

• 2:03:50Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:03:52Theo Von?

  That you were like, I'm fucking good at this shit.

• 2:03:54Speaker 01

  It wasn't that I was good at it, but I liked mowing lawns. Like, I felt like, uh, accomplished afterwards. Like, I'd look at it and I'd go, wow, I did that. That was kind of annoying. It was hard, but there, here's this thing that I did and it looks better now and I felt proud of it. And, uh, I think there's a version of that in creating stuff in general. But I think very early, I, I, I like to, to work on something and then see the thing I created. And, uh, so yeah, there was something really nice to that, about that. It's, I, now I get to do a job where I like the actual work part and I like seeing the end product. I didn't enjoy the work part of it, but, but yeah, I think, I think that,

• 2:04:39Speaker 01

  you know, I'm trying to think. I mean, I just worked in like restaurants.

• 2:04:42Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, you definitely did. I could see you for sure. For sure.

• 2:04:48Speaker 01

  What restaurants was that working at?

• 2:04:49Theo Von?

  Oh, obviously, Macaroni Grill, dude. Dude, you wore a cape at Macaroni Grill, I'm sure. There's no way you didn't.

• 2:04:57Speaker 01

  We didn't have a Macaroni Grill in the city, man. We needed a Macaroni Grill.

• 2:05:02Theo Von?

  That's your origin story.

• 2:05:03Speaker 01

  I worked at a pizza shop. I do, I do look like I could pull off pizza shop, right?

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  Look like I was arguing with Spike Lee.

• 2:05:14Theo Von?

  I'm trying to think of whatever. I'm trying to think.

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  What about you?

• 2:05:17Theo Von?

  I worked at pizza shop, man. I love that shit, dude. That shit was good.

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  What was the first time, do you remember the first time as a kid that you made, made money and like the feeling of that?

• 2:05:27Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. We had, uh, they'd pay you to clean it. We had like wishing wells in our town or whatever. They'd pay you to clean them out, like the city, like.

• 2:05:34Speaker 01

  It's like take the coins out of it.

• 2:05:35Theo Von?

  Yeah, get in there, like get to take a ladder down and get all the shit out and stuff. And there's like, people throw fucking, try, like a lot of use, like, to-go orders and shit in that bitch. A lot of Popeyes in that bitch. Uh, decent amount of money, not as much as you would think.

• 2:05:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:50Theo Von?

  So we found a fucking sword had blood on it one time, or like a pretty scalibert or whatever.

• 2:05:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:56Theo Von?

  Um, but yeah, cleaning out that, cleaning out those one summer, that was probably the first job I ever had, really. But get you a little bit of money. Hide my money too.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:06:08Theo Von?

  I used to put my money in a Crown Royal bag, hide it in the yard.

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  How old were you?

• 2:06:11Theo Von?

  Dig a hole and hide it. Probably 11, maybe 12.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  That's a nice bag.

• 2:06:16Theo Von?

  That bitch was nice.

• 2:06:17Speaker 01

  You keep that bag, isn't that weird?

• 2:06:19Theo Von?

  Yep, had some doubloons in it that I caught at some of the parades and like the Mardi Gras parades. There's just these little medallions kind of like they're not worth, they're not worth any money, but they had pictures of like different historical figures from Louisiana on them because you catch them at Mardi Gras.

• 2:06:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:32Theo Von?

  And I put them in a bag and hide them in the yard.

• 2:06:34Speaker 01

  And why do you think you were hiding your, your?

• 2:06:37Theo Von?

  Didn't trust anybody in the house. I knew everybody in that bitch. Yeah.

• 2:06:40Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:06:40Theo Von?

  My three siblings and my mom, I was burying that shit. I ain't fucking.

• 2:06:43Speaker 01

  Do you still talk to your siblings?

• 2:06:45Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, we talk now. Things are good now, but at the time I didn't trust anybody in that bastard dude. Cause I was sneaking in their room and stealing shit.

• 2:06:54Speaker 01

  That's where it comes from. That's when you ain't shit, you assume other people ain't shit. It starts here though.

• 2:07:00Theo Von?

  Oh, right.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  It starts here though.

• 2:07:03Theo Von?

  I don't trust me so much.

• 2:07:04Speaker 01

  I don't trust you.

• 2:07:09Theo Von?

  That's crazy dude. What else, man? What's up with the culture? How's black stuff going over there? I know. They have that new rapper, Gen Lee. Have you seen him?

• 2:07:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I thought it's Gin Lee.

• 2:07:21Theo Von?

  Is it Gin?

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  Like gin for ginger.

• 2:07:23Theo Von?

  Well, first of all.

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  He's a black dude that says the, is, is, sorry. He's a white dude that says the N word, right?

• 2:07:27Theo Von?

  He put two N's in it, so he misspelled it, so he can be either one. That's all I'm saying, but.

• 2:07:33Speaker 01

  But yeah, he's a.

• 2:07:34Theo Von?

  It's interesting.

• 2:07:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, he is. And he's like, he's, he's confident saying it.

• 2:07:39Theo Von?

  He seems really like he's from that culture.

• 2:07:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. So now are we witnessing that word become more of a cultural thing and not a specific race thing?

• 2:07:49Theo Von?

  That's what I wonder, because I'm just wondering, like, say you're so much a part of the culture and it seems like he is, like he has black friends. He says the word around them. If you're so much a part of it, but then you can't say that thing, are you, then is that feel like the culture isn't saying, well, you're, you're, you're here, but you're not, you're not, so I, I have no idea, but it's just, it's interesting.

• 2:08:10Speaker 01

  It is interesting. It is interesting because it is like, so I guess when I was growing up in New York, it was a thing that white people, we would never say and you could not say, but like Puerto Ricans that were kind of like white presenting would say it and that was fine.

• 2:08:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:25Speaker 01

  Um, I think even like Mexicans were kind of saying it. Uh, sometimes even Asians would say it, but it, it felt really like a word. White people were not allowed to say, obviously because of the historical context, right? But that situation right there is quite interesting. Like if he did grow up in this culture, maybe it's his friend's way of saying, we don't see you as different, bro.

• 2:08:48Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:08:49Speaker 01

  Like, we, we actually see you as one of us and we don't feel any negative sentiment when you say it. And this is our way of saying, we accept you and you're not different. Maybe. Again, I don't know. I'd have to ask them. Whereas like if somebody else said it who is not from the culture at all, they'd be like, yeah, you can't say that. And that's their way of saying, you're not from the culture, bro.

• 2:09:08Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:09:09Speaker 01

  Like, you are not. You are, you're a visitor here and you're not allowed to say that thing.

• 2:09:13Theo Von?

  Right. Yeah, that's kind of how I think I'm saying. I just think it's interesting. It's kind of interesting because you have people defending him online. You have people calling him out online.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:22Theo Von?

  Um, and then some of his music is great, man. I mean, it's, it's catchy. I'm curious to see, like, it's, yeah, it's like, and some of the lines he's saying, like, you know, don't get in trouble because of my shit. Like, you know, I'm not saying this because I'm, I'm just saying this because this is who I am, right? He even expresses in like that stand on its own, like, don't, don't get in it, don't repeat my shit just to get in.

• 2:09:43Speaker 01

  And then now you get in trouble.

• 2:09:44Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:09:44Speaker 01

  Which I think is, yeah, that's empathetic.

• 2:09:46Theo Von?

  It's at least giving his story, right?

• 2:09:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause he probably is aware that, oh shit, white kids might see me doing this and then they think it's okay for them to do it. And now they're getting fucked up. And so he's like, listen, your life might not be my life. Like, like I

• 2:10:00Theo Von?

  Right. At least he put a safety precaution on this shit. Like, a lot of people.

• 2:10:04Speaker 01

  That's like better than the parental advisory. It's just, there's a, there's a white disclaimer. Yo, you are not me.

• 2:10:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a ginger advisory right there, dude. That's a ginger advisory, dude. But this is gonna, this could potentially open up gateways for some gingers to say the n-word and some spicy, some, because they've long been looming on the edge of the culture. The ring around Saturn, they call them. And it's like, it'll be interesting to see what happens, dude.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, do we, that's something, like, we gotta ask ourselves, like, are we fully accepting of gingers? Like, are white people fully accepting of the gingers?

• 2:10:39Theo Von?

  I mean, look, I don't, you know.

• 2:10:42Speaker 01

  Are you even, what, you're like part something, right?

• 2:10:44Theo Von?

  My father's from Nicaragua and my, and my mother's just white.

• 2:10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:47Theo Von?

  But, um. I don't, you know, I've thought, you know, yeah, I'm not a name where God.

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  You're not dropping it.

• 2:10:52Theo Von?

  I'm not that, fuck no, what am I fucking trying to prove to somebody? But I do remember they had like this cool band, I went to a black fraternity and we'll get you out of here in a second. Um, I wasn't in one, it was like Snoop or something new, uh,

• 2:11:07Theo Von?

  that, uh, State of Noop or something? Bring up a couple of black, black fraternities over there, southern.

• 2:11:12Speaker 02

  Al- Alpha, what is it?

• 2:11:13Theo Von?

  University.

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  Alpha Kappa Psi?

• 2:11:15Theo Von?

  Alpha.

• 2:11:16Speaker 02

  Oh, Beta, uh, Phi Beta, Si, uh, Kappa Alpha Psi.

• 2:11:19Theo Von?

  That might have been it.

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  The Kappa's are, have you seen the Kappa's before? Kappa's are cool, they're like, they got like a cane and they do like these cool dances with the cane.

• 2:11:29Speaker 02

  My boy was, my boy was a Kappa in college and, uh.

• 2:11:31Theo Von?

  That could have been it.

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  They were like swagged out and then the, uh, what is the, the Omegas? Those are like the, uh, the athlete, that's like the athlete frat.

• 2:11:39Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 2:11:40Speaker 02

  You know, Shaq.

• 2:11:40Theo Von?

  Chi Phi.

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:41Theo Von?

  Oh, Shaq has that.

• 2:11:43Speaker 02

  The Q Dogs.

• 2:11:43Theo Von?

  Q Dogs.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:45Theo Von?

  I think it was Q Dog shit, right? They invited, they had like a, it was like, it was a, it was Nickelback, but it was black guys doing it, right? It was like, um.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Don't even say it. Don't even say it.

• 2:11:55Theo Von?

  I'll tell you what it was, dude.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  Say the name of that cover band. What is that? Tony didn't say the name of the Nickelback black cover band, Theo. We've almost done the whole pop, okay? We did a good job, we did a good job. I know you're trying to bait me with this Gin Lee. We did, we did a good job today, okay? We did a good job today, Theo.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  Here we go. Light it on fire, light it on fire.

• 2:12:26Theo Von?

  It was just a great, I was like, this is a crazy cover band.

• 2:12:29Speaker 02

  Don't do it.

• 2:12:31Theo Von?

  And then one of their, so that song was like, oh, this is how you remind me?

• 2:12:37Speaker 02

  It's not, it's.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  Okay, so they, okay, so they're doing like hip hop renditions.

• 2:12:46Theo Von?

  Hip hop renditions of Nick, of Nickelback.

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  Nickelback.

• 2:12:49Theo Von?

  And just make sure you say it right, yeah.

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  We don't even have to go into it, that's so crazy how we know, all know exactly how it was spelled.

• 2:12:56Theo Von?

  But yeah, look, I just felt welcome to be in the building, so that's all I'm saying, dude, look.

• 2:13:01Speaker 02

  This is how you remind me, you're not me.

• 2:13:10Theo Von?

  Never made it as a wise man, get it?

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  Spit that whole song right now. Spit that whole shit right now, Tim.

• 2:13:20Theo Von?

  Couldn't cut it as a whole, man. We gotta stop, it's only gonna get worse. Uh, congratulations on life, the new special's out now, congratulations on being a dad, man.

• 2:13:29Speaker 01

  Thank you, brother.

• 2:13:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, thanks for being just somebody, yeah. It's good to have like that, there's different podcasters in different parts of the country and different parts of like, um, the world, you know? And it's just, we're lucky to be able to do this and, uh, and to be able to spend these conversations. I gotta come up there and get on, um, on, uh, on your pod this summer, man.

• 2:13:52Speaker 01

  Oh, please, man, I want you on Flagrant and I want you on Brilliant Idiots, man.

• 2:13:55Theo Von?

  I'll be up there in April, I think, for a week.

• 2:13:58Speaker 01

  You and Charlie gotta kick it, man.

• 2:13:59Theo Von?

  We gotta get together, I know.

• 2:14:01Speaker 01

  Even if we just go grab a drink, I think you guys would hit it off, bro.

• 2:14:04Theo Von?

  Oh, I'm sure we would.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  You guys have great vibes, he's incredible, man, he's incredible.

• 2:14:08Theo Von?

  I've only heard good things, man, it would be an honor. But, uh, thank you so much for your time, dude, I know it's very valuable and it means a lot, nah, I just appreciate it.

• 2:14:15Speaker 01

  Congrats on everything, man.

• 2:14:16Theo Von?

  You too, man.

• 2:14:16Speaker 01

  Super stoked for you, bro.

• 2:14:17Theo Von?

  Congratulations, dude, this jacket, Zach Bryan gave me this jacket, it's very hot in here.

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  I saw, I saw on the back.

• 2:14:22Theo Von?

  I was trying to fit in a little, so, this is black as I get today, brother.

• 2:14:26Speaker 01

  The Zach Bryan tour jacket.

• 2:14:30Theo Von?

  It kinda shows you where I'm at, you know?

• 2:14:34Speaker 01

  Thanks, man.

• 2:14:34Theo Von?

  Alright, you bet, man.

• 2:14:35Speaker 01

  Thanks. Oh, that was great.