FDA Commissioner Marty Makary: Tylenol, Vaccines & Autism + Fauci, NIH & COVID-19 | PBD Podcast | Ep. 690

Patrick Bet-David sits down with FDA Commissioner Marty Makary for a deep-dive conversation on Tylenol’s risks, vaccine safety concerns, the autism debate, and Dr. Anthony Fauci’s handling of COVID-19. ------ 👞 GET THE NEW FLB 1'S: https://bit.ly/4mXV9gd 📕 REGISTER FOR BPW 2025 - FRIDAY, DECEMBER 12TH 2025: ⁠https://bit.ly/3IU2YWx⁠ https://bit.ly/3IU2YWx Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 1:05Patrick Bet-David?

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a one of one? My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:18Patrick Bet-David?

  How you doing?

• 1:19Speaker 03

  Good to see you.

• 1:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Good to see you, the head of the FDA, Dr. Marty McCray, Makary.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  Great to be here. I'm in the belly of the beast. I must say, when I first heard of your podcast and my team said I'm coming on, I said, finally, a podcast about pancreaticobiliary diseases.

• 1:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. And that's all we're going to talk about today. I'm glad you brought that up. As an expert in that, you know, my background, I'm going to be able to ask you some technical questions in that. No, but it's great to have you here. And one of the things I love that we're doing is the fact that you're going on the road, talking to anybody and everybody. And to me, that gives trust in me that you're willing to talk and share what's going on and also educate us. Because I think sometimes, you know, whether we can go to previous or even, not even previous, historically, it's been, you don't go and talk to people because what if you get caught off guard? And it's a little too risky. You shouldn't talk. We're just the expert. Let's just tell people what to do and they got to do it. So I respect you for coming out. Having said that, I just want to kind of open it up with what stories. What items I want to talk about so the audience is aware and then we'll go from there.

• 2:22Patrick Bet-David?

  One, I want to talk about what's going to happen with Fauci. I think a lot of people, when you know, you hear the story of 20 million people that died during COVID, we want to know if there's going to be any level of accountability. Two, as a father of four, I got two girls. I'm curious, when you study the history, my wife and I were talking about this last week, on girls who were having periods at 17, 18 in the 1900s, in the 1800s. And in the 1900s was 16, 17, then in the 50s it went to 14, 15, then it goes to 13. And now today it's at 11 years old. What's causing that? Curious about that. Of course, we'll talk about autism as well. And then the food pyramid, how we went from food pyramid to my plate. And what is the next thing we're going to be, you know, introducing?

• 3:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Because for longest time we're like, eat your grains, 6 to 11. And you know, they're good, but to eat that much of it and the amount of lobbying that takes place with that. And myocarditis and a few other topics that we'll get into. But I'm excited to have you here. So having said that, to the average person, tell us the history of FDA. How did it get started? Why did it get started?

• 3:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's a fascinating history. It was a little over 100 years ago, there were some, essentially some toxic chemicals that appeared. And people were getting very sick and even dying. So a small group of people led an investigation to figure out where these chemicals were originating from. You know, they used to put mercury in some foods. There used to be heavy metals. Coca-Cola had cocaine in it. That's why it was called Coke initially. So the FDA began by sort of doing investigations. And people thought, hey, there's value in this. Now it regulates 20% of the US economy. Should probably be 15% or something, far less.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  And it, we have offices in 50 countries. And it oversees everything from mangoes coming across the border to cosmetics, to MRI machines and microwave ovens, to tobacco and vape products, to wearables and devices, and of course, drugs.

• 4:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. And for yourself, you know, obviously, I watched you when you were coming up and when they were saying he could be the head of the FDA, he could be the head of the FDA, and everybody was following kind of some of the things you were talking. We've listened to you for many years, when, especially during COVID, when you would come out and talk about certain things. But for you having the job now, one, how was the phone call made? Who called you and offered you the job? And what's the experience been for you so far? Do you actually feel like you can make direct impact?

• 4:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's an awesome job. You can actually do stuff. You can actually get stuff done with a very high level of impact in society. I've been there about eight months. We've gotten a tremendous amount of stuff done. Eliminating animal testing that's unnecessary, the removal of the petroleum-based food dyes. They've been talking about that for 35 years. They've been talking about getting rid of one dye for 35 years. Within weeks, we announced the removal of all nine artificial dyes from U.S. food supply. We're making our decisions. If we reject a product, we're making those letters public so the public can see why. We've got AI in the agency. We're cutting red tape. We're focusing on cures and meaningful

• 5:41Speaker 03

  treatments. And that's just the first eight months. So I'm very grateful to President Trump when he called me and said, hey, is this something you'll consider? He's an amazing guy. He's a phenom, really. He has more energy than anybody and instincts better than some of the academic elites in America. So it's just a huge honor to work with him and Secretary Kennedy and Mehmet Oz and Jay Bhattacharya and the gang.

• 6:07Patrick Bet-David?

  It's great to see this team there, okay? It's very good to see the team there and it's, you know, because these are the guys that were sometimes the most vocal during COVID. So the people are like, okay, great, you're in, are you actually going to be able to do the things that we want? So one question for you. You know, when you get a job like this, I'm assuming if we were boys, if we're friends, and say we went to school together and you went to the, you know, medical route and I'll go into the finance route. And we're having dinner, we're at a game, we're watching football, you're a football guy, I'm a football guy, we're watching, like, hey, you know, Joe Burrow just said he's making a comeback and all this stuff. Ah, it's great, he's coming back. And I tell you, I said, so, listen, between you and I, we've known each other for 40 years, okay, from 7th grade. These are three things I want to see you do, bro.

• 6:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, like friends are talking to friends, right? I want to see this, this, this, this, that. Now, you know, you probably only have three people that'll talk to you like that. Five people that'll talk to you like that. But the people that are closest to you, now that they know that you're in, what are, what are folks telling you? Man, I hope you get to the bottom of this and this and this. What are the three things, your friends, specifically friends, maybe not even from the medical space, but friends telling you they'd like to see you pursue?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Man, that's a good question. Now I see why your podcast is one of the top rated in America. Look, we're, we're unfiltered, all of us, the team. We are unfiltered, we are raw, we are honest, and what you see is what you get. We're not gonna put something in political speak and massage and give you some boring speech. You know, they give me speeches, you know, the team gives you speeches when you're in these jobs and you go into this association and you're supposed to, you know, read this speech. I can't do it. I can't read these speeches. They're so darn boring, I'd fall asleep. I fall asleep reading. So, we're gonna give it to you like it is and we're not gonna be shy. My friends tell me they want to fix the food supply.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  And they want to see cures for certain diseases. And I think we can deliver cures for certain diseases. I think in, in this administration, you're gonna see a meaningful, powerful treatment through cutting the red tape and being proactive for neurodegenerative diseases, for type 1 diabetes, for certain types of cancer. We just gave a priority review voucher to a company that makes a drug that takes certain rectal cancers of certain gene subtypes. It's a small subset of 5 to 10% of rectal cancers. The drug literally melts the tumor away to zero.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  No chemo, no surgery, no radiation. That's the kind of stuff patients deserve and that's the sort of stuff that's new in our healthcare system where we're throwing good money after bad into this broken system. We've gotta innovate, we gotta promote innovation. So I would say the food is the biggest thing and then cures for certain conditions and we're gonna deliver on both. We're rewriting the food pyramid right now.

• 9:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You're rewriting the food pyramid?

• 9:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was written by the companies based on what they wanted to buy.

• 9:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And when should we be expecting the new food pyramid?

• 9:18Speaker 03

  I think in the next couple of months.

• 9:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  Because we're, and it's going to be short. It might be five pages, right? You put out this classic government disconnect from the American people. You put out a 200-page document, no one's going to read it. You put out something that's four or five pages. Now every single school board member in America, every parent can understand that we don't need to wage a war on natural saturated fat. Where did that come from? That was medical dogma. Medical establishment got that wrong for 50 years. Tried to blame everything on saturated fat. Moved all these kids in school to low-fat things where they pounded them with refined carbohydrates. So we're going to be honest with people. Uh, we're going to talk about protein. We're going to talk about fiber and the types of grains you get, not just calories in equals calories out.

• 10:05Speaker 03

  And it doesn't matter what, what the, how processed the food is. So we're going to be honest with people and I think you're going to see a meaningful change.

• 10:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you give us any hints? Any, any, anything that's majorly different? Because the original food pyramid we saw was from what, 92 to 05? And then they changed it to, I believe, MyPlate? Is it called MyPlate?

• 10:25Speaker 03

  MyPlate, and then they had the Food Compass, which, uh, came out of an NIH study that said Lucky Charms was healthier than a steak.

• 10:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Lucky Charms was healthier than a steak? So when you hear stuff like this, I mean, you know, it, it, no wonder people don't trust you. It's going to be very hard. I mean, I'm actually curious to know as we go through this, how you're going to be working on regaining the trust? Because after COVID, people haven't trusted this probably for the last five years. And that's going to be a lot of work for you guys.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  Well, I think that's one of our big goals, to rebuild public trust. And we're doing it by trying to show some humility in our approach, being extremely honest, and by talking to the public. We're not living in a black box in an ivory tower. I'm here and I've been talking to people that wanted to have a serious conversation about what's wrong with our healthcare system. And we don't talk about, when we talk about healthcare and everyone's talking about how to finance our broken healthcare system, what's been missing. Are the two root causes. The price of goods and services is way too high. And it could be much lower. You're seeing President Trump now announce lower drug prices.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  At the price of pennies on the dollar, what these drugs used to be. And the other issue is the health of the population. No one talks about the fact that 40% of our nation's kids have a chronic disease. Many of them take regular medications. What's going on here? We're just medicating our nation's kids at scale? And nobody is saying, stop and look up and look around and see what we're doing? We take these kids and we, you know, rattle them in the middle of the night in their circadian rhythm. We put them on a school bus, not because it's good for their circadian rhythm, but because it's convenient for adults going to work. And then we pound them with ultra-processed foods and high glycemic loads. And we tell them to sit still at a desk.

• 12:21Speaker 03

  And then we pound them again with an ultra-processed lunch. And then we tell them to sit still again. And they can't do it. They got a sort of sugar coma. And then what do we do? We, we tell them, you're a bad kid. And we drug our nation's kids at scale. They have less natural light exposure than prisoners. What is going on? So we've got to talk about these root causes. So we're taking, we're talking about all of this stuff and we're doing research. And we're talking about the medicalization of ordinary life.

• 12:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So your friends, their top three things. One was food supply. Two was cure for diseases, which you just talked about, cancer. Other things that we're talking about. Where was investigating Fauci on the list?

• 13:08Speaker 03

  A lot of people are angry at Fauci. A lot of people have a right to be angry.

• 13:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You were angry. You were very angry with him. You said a few things about him as well, right? A few years ago. You were, you were very bold about it on what he was. You were probably one of the most vocal ones towards him.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  When we were all trying to figure out COVID at the very beginning, I was editor in chief of one of the largest trade publications, The Doctors Read, called MedPage Today. And I figured we were hearing stories about Wuhan, China.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  I gotta figure out the real, the real story. I don't want to hear political pundits opine and talk about American resilience. Remember that whole, "We'll be fine, and we'll be strong." What the heck are you talking about? We have to understand the transmissibility, the viral load, the treatments. And so, I went deep dive on this. I called doctors in Wuhan during that whole outbreak. And I basically started to realize that Fauci was misleading the public. The only, there's only three coronaviruses that cause severe illness in humans: SARS, MERS, and COVID-19. Well, the other two are airborne. Why did he think this suddenly

• 14:22Speaker 03

  took a turn and was just gonna be different? And telling teachers in the, in the summer of 2020 to wear gloves and goggles, and, you know, pour a gallon of alcohol solution on your mail. And, I mean, what the heck was going on? So, I realized, when he was being introduced on the media as our nation's top, remember this, our nation's top infectious diseases doctor, I knew the guy had not done an infectious diseases fellowship training. And there was this sort of bandwagon thinking. We see it a lot in medicine. We see it with, you know, opioids are not addictive, how dare you disagree? We got that wrong for 15 years. It's an old story in medicine. And so, now I realize, as I was trying to figure things

• 15:06Speaker 03

  out and be independent from just reciting the catechism that Fauci put out, what he was doing with his time is leading a massive cover-up of the possibility that this came from the Wuhan lab, which any smart person will tell you it's obvious, right? The epicenter of the world was five miles from the lab. The lab had submitted, we just learned this about two years ago. And there's a great film called Thank You, Dr. Fauci. And it goes through all this and that lab had submitted a grant proposal to the United States government two years before COVID in 2018 saying the proposal said we

• 15:48Speaker 03

  at the Wuhan lab would like to take a bat coronavirus and genetically modify it by inserting the furin cleavage sites to enable it to infect humans. Now, what, there was the cookbook for COVID-19 and then people are acting like, oh, we don't know where it came from. They were plotting to do it. They had the resources to do it. They filed for a patent for a COVID-19 vaccine in like February of 2020. How do you have a patent on a vaccine that early? People have a right to be angry. I'm angry. 20 million people may have died globally, 25 trillion dollars. And people in the United States got so polarized, this toxic polarization that got spun up

• 16:32Speaker 03

  by affirming media where they're angry at everybody. They're angry at a, at a college kid who's healthy, there's no risk of dying of COVID because he's not getting a second COVID booster shot. They're angry at somebody not wearing a mask outside, a cloth mask. And they're angry at everybody, but they're not angry at the scientists that brewed this up at the lab. They were mad scientists.

• 16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So what, what should happen though? I mean, if, if you think about, you know, here's a guy who said, you know, masks, yeah, you gotta wear masks and the cameras were off, he's taking the masks off. Here's a guy that said, I probably will never shake another person's hand ever again. It's probably a good idea to never shake someone's hand ever again. What are you talking about? I mean, you came in right now, we should can't. That's one way of greeting each other, right? He says, you should trust me. I, I think you're, I'm somebody you should trust. Trust science. He kept saying this over and over and over again and then making people feel guilty. So now people sit there and listen to him. You know, six foot rule, I never said that. You kinda did. And hey, you know, my grandma's dying. No, you can't go see her. Why? Because you may give her COVID or you may give you COVID. I never saw my grandma on her deathbed.

• 17:38Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a lot of people that went through this kind of stuff. What, what can you do? What can, you know, HHS do to make those people whole and say, you know what? I'm good. We got to the bottom of it. Now I can live my life and accountability's been helped. What do you think can happen for those people to be comfortable moving forward?

• 18:04Speaker 03

  I don't know, but people want closure. They want a proper investigation. They want justice to be served. There was clearly a massive cover-up. I mean, 3 a.m. emails going on when Fauci was told that, hey, this, you know, the Wuhan lab is being implicated and we funded the Wuhan lab. They

• 18:27Patrick Bet-David?

  3 a.m. email that he's

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, to the head of the committee that's supposed to approve gain-of-function research. And Fauci and Collins had created a system. So, you know, the origin is that in Wisconsin, in conjunction with another lab, they did an experiment where they juiced up a flu virus to make it very deadly. And they showed that it infected these ferrets, which are known respiratory models used for research. And they published this article. And basically, the researcher said, hey, we juiced up, we Frankensteined a very deadly virus, and we show that it's contagious. And the world scientific community read this article and

• 19:12Speaker 03

  said, what the hell did you just do? No one should ever do this. Just because you can do something in science doesn't mean you should. This is a bunch of mad scientists. And they petitioned President Obama at the time to ban gain-of-function research. And he, to his credit, put a moratorium on it. While Fauci and Collins were known to oppose this moratorium, and they did their bureaucratic ways to make sure that they could continue to do this, including writing an op-ed called, titled something like Dangerous Flu Research, Gain-of-Function Research: A Risk Worth Taking. And they changed the definition, and they

• 19:54Speaker 03

  worked around the committee that was supposed to approve grants for gain-of-function research. And they continued to fund gain-of-function research. Now, President Trump, one of his first things when we all took our office was to ban gain-of-function research, any dangerous gain-of-function research. Fauci will still play Pars's words. He's kind of a master at it. Like when he said, I had never called for schools to be closed. Well, when DeSantis reopened the schools, he said, this is extremely dangerous, right? And people could die. And so, I mean, he's the master of sort of circumlocution, you know?

• 20:33Speaker 03

  I don't know what's gonna happen, but people have a right to be angry.

• 20:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so currently, right now, he had his,

• 20:42Patrick Bet-David?

  uh, what do you call it? He got his pardon, right? He got the stamp pardon. Hunter Biden got the signature pardon from daddy. But he got the auto pen pardon, right? Let's just say the investigation comes out and it's been removed. He's not pardoned. He was at Dick Cheney's funeral the other day, sitting right next to Rachel Maddow, a funeral he probably would have never been to if Trump was never the president. Because these guys hated Dick Cheney. So for them to go, the only reason they went to Dick Cheney's funeral is because their daughter hates Trump. So it's kind of like a, they have a mutual enemy, right? So he's at the funeral. But let's just say the auto pen comes back. He's been very low-key, very quiet. He's no longer the sexiest man on earth, according to Guardian. He's been kind of like the most hidden man on earth right now. You can't find him. But say if it's removed and then you can investigate him.

• 21:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you support Fauci being investigated to find out his involvement in COVID with 20 million people dying around the world?

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 21:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You would support it?

• 21:37Speaker 03

  Now, he, just so you know, he gave a grand rounds distinguished lecture at Johns Hopkins, where I was before I came to the FDA. I think a couple of weeks before I took office. And he got a standing ovation and they're praising him and fawning over him.

• 21:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What year was this?

• 21:54Speaker 03

  This was nine months ago.

• 21:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  This is, this is just before I took office at the FDA.

• 22:00Patrick Bet-David?

  In 25?

• 22:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he's giving distinguished lectures all over the place and, you know, the audiences are clapping like seals and there's this group think in medicine and, you know, it's again, affirming news out there and, and Trump derangement syndrome and you know, he made a bunch of mistakes. Okay, people are human, but then when Biden took office, he elevated him to be the chief medical advisor. And elevating a guy with that many errors, when you get that many things wrong in a short period of time. And then to me, that was a major turn of events.

• 22:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so I guess it's gonna be a two step process. One, they have to get to the bottom of the auto pen. If they do, if they don't, nothing can happen. If they do, then it can be opened up. And you know, some tells me RFK Junior, he would probably want to get to the bottom of it. I know Rand, I know a lot of other people want to get to the bottom of it to see what would happen there. Because you know, again, you sit here, you're like, well, you know, what's the big deal? Let's just move on. You know, that is the most annoying thing for people to hear. Let's just move on. You know, we investigated Watergate and nobody got killed. It was like the end of the world. Watergate, you know, we investigated nine 11 was only 20 months. This kind of gives me the vibes of nine 11.

• 23:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just kind of move quickly on and not look back. We investigated a lot of these things for a long time. You know, World War One killed 15 to 17 million people. This thing killed 20 million people. And there is not a trilateral, you know, investigation to see who was involved, who knew, who didn't know.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, I, I think the level of frustration with the American people specifically is that the government's just gonna be like, trust me, the American people are gonna forget, we're gonna move on. I don't know if this is gonna be that because the next time another pandemic comes up, they're like, I still don't trust you guys got your stuff together. I still don't even know what we're gonna be doing because typically if you run a business, private corporation, you run it, there's a mistake, what do we do? We sit there, we go through, we're like, well, okay, great. All right, so what did he do? What did she do? What happened here? Can we see the emails? Can we see the exchange? He didn't do anything wrong. She's right. That one is a little bit strange on when he quit and when he put his letter of resignation in. Let's investigate it. Oh, so he started a business on the side and didn't tell us about it.

• 24:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And that was the one that he was selling us items. Let's investigate him. Have the lawyers go through it. They did, oh shit, he's guilty. Okay, great. Well, guess what? In a future, the next time somebody brings new companies for us to use, we have to see who the board of directors of that company is. We have to find that so this is never gonna happen again. All right, this is the new protocol. Let's move forward. That's corporations, that's private corporation. We don't have that there. So for us to, for, for the people to fully trust, I don't think it's gonna happen unless we can, like the word you used, which was a perfect word, have closure. I don't think we've had it yet.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  No, not, not at all. And, and again, compare the rage of the left when, when a 25-year-old teacher did not want to get the COVID shot because they wanted to get, they were trying to get pregnant with their husband and they had concerns, they had some questions. And these people insisted they be fired from their jobs. Almost a million Americans, they had to be fired from their jobs. The rage, the outrage, all fueled by this affirming media. And then a guy was implicated in a bunch of mad scientists brewing up a virus that killed 20 million people, a generation of children now with learning loss.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  And people say, oh, well, you know what, he tried his best and let's just move on and what, what? I mean, we've got to rebuild trust and I think, I hope everybody watches the film, Thank You Dr. Fauci. You know, Google suppressed it, so it's hard to find. But it's an incredible independent documentary that goes through what is an overwhelming accumulation of circumstantial evidence.

• 26:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, if they watch it, they're gonna come back and say, okay, Doc, what are we gonna do about it? Because it's gonna go back to, let's do something about it, right? Because that's, that's the closure part. Yeah, I have friends who will say things like this. They're like, man, I just, I have guys here, they'll say, I feel like crap and I had to take it because my job, if I didn't take it, they were gonna fire me. And, you know, I feel certain symptoms in my body. And they'll say things like that. If my body's acting different, how can, do, do we get to the bottom of people who took it? Is there anything they can do to get any of it out of their system or no? That's part of the risk you take by taking it.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  It was an unexpected finding. They were downplaying it as the vaccine was being rolled out. And look, when it was a good match for the circulating virus at the time, at the end of Operation Warp Speed, when it was produced, it was saving lives. You saw a reduction in the severity of illness right in front of your eyes. But then, young, healthy people, it turns out, have essentially no risk of dying of COVID, and nobody was honest enough to admit that. Fauci came from the HIV community where the message was, everybody is at risk, right? No one should think they're not at risk of HIV. Everybody is at risk. And it was the same dogma that was put out there. And now we learned the virus particles

• 27:29Speaker 03

  were showing up in the breast milk of lactating mothers. We hear stories of long-term complications that were attributed to long COVID, and they were not. They were vaccine injuries. We'd been looking into some of the vaccine injuries. We found that they were sitting on myocarditis data at the FDA. It was far worse at the CDC. They were designing scientific studies as research propaganda, as political propaganda. The studies were so flawed in their design, it was jerry-rigged to give you a result that the party, the political party, literally

• 28:07Speaker 03

  wanted. At the FDA, they fired the two top vaccine experts because they disagreed on the approval of the COVID booster in young, healthy kids. It got no media attention. But they literally put political interference at its highest peak.

• 28:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So is there anything people can do to get it out of their system today, or no?

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Not that I know of.

• 28:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Yeah, because I'll talk to friends, and they'll say, I think I have long COVID. And one guy, good friend, he's known in the space, he's got long COVID, he's got long COVID. Is long COVID tied to vaccines, or is long COVID tied to actually getting COVID? Do we know yet?

• 28:50Speaker 03

  We don't know. We know that there are long-term complications of the infection, of the COVID infection itself. And there are some people who are vaccine injured. And we all know people. It's not, it's not a case report. It's not one or two people in the, in the country. We all, we all know of people. I mean, I know of three people, not personally, but through one degree of separation, who died from the COVID vaccine.

• 29:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Died from the vaccine.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, one of them was here in South Florida. Okay, I know of a cardiologist in South Florida here. We'll tell you, he's seen scores of people who have come in with that, the cardiac complications of the vaccine, scores.

• 29:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  And, but you've not been able to speak up on this. Facebook and the White House were literally censoring true stories of vaccine complications. So, um, it's, these are not ultra rare things that, and look, if somebody was ultra high risk of COVID, maybe it made sense when it was a good match. But now we have natural immunity. We have different circulating strains than were originally circulating. They're less dangerous. And these are nuanced topics. But the way that we kicked out kids from school, if they didn't have the COVID shot, the way that we gave people a false sense of, of protection that if they wore a cloth

• 30:18Speaker 03

  mask, they could go visit grandma and they didn't have to worry about, the cloth mask did nothing. You breathe them right through it, right through the pores of the cloth. And so it was, it was basically a pandemic of lunacy, pandemic of misinformation. And the real information was nuanced and got censored.

• 30:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, because when, when you think about the video clips that we all saw, you're, you're a football guy, the Bills. You watch all these games, you're like, why are people passing out? Right? You, you've seen those clips, Rob, I don't know if you have it or not. There's clips, I mean, here's one of them. There's a, there's a list of these, right? Of people just passing out.

• 30:57Patrick Bet-David?

  We can't hear the audio, Rob.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  These began tracing small patterns, inflammation, plateaulets, microclaws, weeks after certain shots. Most never noticed, but for

• 31:07Patrick Bet-David?

  These are athletes.

• 31:08Speaker 04

  The immune system hits too hard. The same spike that's meant to protect starts sticking to vessel walls. Breath thickens, flow slows. Boom, ischemia.

• 31:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Lord, the audio is a little bit rough.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  Doctor scholar, vaccine-induced immune thrombotic event. Rare, yes, imagined, no. It's indolent and EEG. The question isn't if it happens, but why somebody's break the code. Genetics, gut toxins, maybe all three. Because when the system builds to defend starts to misfire, the result isn't protection, it's a stroke. They said stroke.

• 31:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Pause it right there. I mean, this is tough to watch. This is not easy to watch when you see these. These are athletes. They're running all day. They're exercising all day. They're supposed to be the healthiest ones. And then this happens to them.

• 31:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Have we, have we either investigated or started something to find out how many of these were tied to the vaccine? Or because even the Bills linebacker, I believe, who was interviewed afterwards, cornerback or linebacker, I don't know what he was, but he played defense. When they interviewed Damar Hamlin and they said, what happened? He says, I know what it is, but I can't say it. I don't know if you've seen that interview.

• 32:18Speaker 03

  No, I haven't.

• 32:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, they interviewed him and they said, do you know what it is? He says, I do know what it is, but I just don't want to talk about it. I don't want to say anything. It was like this secret sauce. You can't say what happened here. Are we ever going to, or maybe we already have, have we found that if there was a link between the vaccine and folks passing out, specifically athletes passing out?

• 32:40Speaker 03

  So there's an NIH study that's looking at this, but here's the thing. These athletes were at a risk of dying of COVID of exactly zero. No athlete has ever died of COVID, okay? No professional athlete. And so the ultimate failure of the medical establishment was

• 33:03Speaker 03

  failing to recognize a 10,000-fold risk difference between a young person and an older person. And so they did, again, this Fauci HIV mindset, everybody is at risk, almost as if everybody is at equal risk. And as a result, you know, they had all this forced, all these forced vaccination requirements for young, healthy athletes. A lot of NFL players were angry about the COVID vaccine requirement. But you know how the NFL is with their players.

• 33:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep it quiet.

• 33:36Speaker 03

  Tight control of that messaging. I mean, they even control the news coverage of the NFL, right? The NFL Network is owned by the NFL, right? So it's, we're both NFL fans, but I mean, there is this, this side of the NFL that was ugly when you saw this vaccine requirement that the players did not want. I mean, the African-American community has been more suspicious of the medical establishment than the non-African-American, but for good reasons, because of the Tuskegee experiment, this cruel and barbaric experiment on black people that ran into the early 70s. And so there's this general skepticism. And you saw this hesitancy in that community.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  And, you know, when they're trying to blame Republicans for being the unvaccinated and they're basically making it sound like it's Trump support. Number one, unvaccinated community by a percentage was African-Americans.

• 34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. By the way, good for them for doing that. They were skeptical about it, but that was the interview. If you want to pull it up, Michael Strahan has interviewed Damar Hamlin on ABC, and here's what he had to say. Go for it.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  You're 24, peak physical condition, could run circles around me right now. How did doctors describe what happened to you?

• 34:56Speaker 04

  Um.

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• 35:57Speaker 04

  Um, that's something I want to stay away from.

• 36:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I know from my experience at NFL, they do more tests than anything. And in the course of you having your physicals, did anybody ever come back with any, say you had a heart issue or anything that was abnormal?

• 36:14Speaker 04

  Uh, honestly, no. I've always been a healthy, young, fit, energetic, you know, human being, let alone athlete. So it was something that was just, that we're still processing and I'm still talking through with my doctors just to see what everything was.

• 36:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You can tell he doesn't want to talk about it.

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can tell.

• 36:36Patrick Bet-David?

  He just, he went through it. He thought about it. He's like, I'm probably not going to get the contract. They're probably going to kick me out. Am I going to get sponsorship money? Nike's not going to give me a contract. Just keep it to yourself. Like, I wonder, literally, in that 10-second pause that he had, that ABC show. What was he thinking about?

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, even doctors, when asked publicly and on television, do you think this could have been a vaccine-related complication? They were afraid because the censorship machine was alive and active and they knew all heaven and earth could come down on them for even suggesting it as a possibility. And that is how draconian our medical establishment has become now, where you were not allowed, this is like Chinese Communist Party kind of stuff, right? If you disagree, you could just disappear.

• 37:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, look, I remember the movie, the concussion movie that Will Smith did. Was the movie called Concussion? It could have been called Concussion. And they were not fans of that movie. And by the way, this movie was one of the reasons why my wife doesn't want one of our boys to play football. So this movie actually impacted, and they ran a survey, a number that said parents of kids who make over $150,000 a year have a higher likelihood of not allowing their kids to play football than parents who make less than $150,000. So there's a link between, yeah, we're not going to be touching that sport because it can have some brain damage on you, and stepping away from it.

• 38:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So I just, when I see this kind of stuff, to me, closure is important. And I think you guys got three years, because honestly, we don't know who's going to be the next president of the United States. There's a lot of people that are overly confident, oh, yeah, it's going to be J.D. Vance, it's done, it's going to be J.D. Vance, Rubio ticket, and this is going to go 12 years, and it's going to be fantastic. And then you go to Calci, and you look at, you know, 2028 candidates, and Newsom and J.D. are neck and neck. And it's not like it's a given. So the reason why I'm saying this, I think if in the next three years, you guys don't get this, we may never come back and touch this ever again. I think this will be something that'll be just wiped, you know? It'd be another one of those things that will be conspiracy,

• 38:56Patrick Bet-David?

  you know, John F. Kennedy assassination, MLK assassination, 9/11. They don't ever want to. to tell us and the trust in the US government will be low again. I think you guys can increase the level of trust in the US government. And get it skyrocketing in a ways if we've never, we've never had. If certain things just get boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You know what? I trust the investigation FBI did. No, James Comey and Letitia James. Case dropped. Ah, give me a flipping break. Yeah, you know Fauci, boom, no, nothing's gonna happen. Oh, yeah, boom, nothing's gonna happen. The average day to day voter. I'm not talking about the one that follows everything closely. The average day to day voter. Is not thinking high, high level stuff.

• 39:41Patrick Bet-David?

  It, it, COVID impacted them. You're just like, listen, can you just tell me what happened so I can move on? Anyways, that's enough on COVID. Let's go to the next story I'm gonna talk to you about because we can talk over all day long.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  We're talking about the primary bile duct now?

• 39:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, for sure. No, you said two things, right? You said food supply was one thing your friends wanted you to get to the bottom of. And cure for diseases, let's talk about cancer.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it profitable to find a cure to cancer? Isn't it more profitable to not find a cure for cancer?

• 40:10Speaker 03

  It's not profitable if you take an existing treatment and repurpose it. Because there's just not a lot of money in, in, in those generics. Drugs that have been out and there's many companies that make them now. But if you make a drug de novo. And you are curing a disease. The market exclusivity, the marketing rights. It does make it profitable and you're seeing huge profits. So you. The most, the fastest area of healthcare spending is drug spending. And the fastest area of drug spending are these drugs called biologics. They're complicated molecules and they're, they're, the complexity stems from them.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Being derived from cells. You don't just. Make them in a chemistry lab. They, they, they are derived from a cell line.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Well, there are generic versions of those expensive medications, but the FDA has set up so much red tape that companies are not pursuing those generic versions. So we cut that red tape. We cut the research and development cost in half. These drugs are amazing. We're also issuing these priority vouchers for a priority review. So if, if your company is making a product that's in line with our national priorities, that is domesticating manufacturing, meeting an unmet public health need, and the president's mission to make medications affordable by lowering drug prices, as you saw with the most favored nation status, or MFN, pricing, which means we get the lowest price of the

• 41:49Speaker 03

  developed world. The United States, we're the largest purchasers of drugs. We deserve the best price. That's been the president's strong position, and that's why you're seeing certain medications come down now from $243 to $10. You just saw the GLP-1s come down from $1,300 in the announcement to a $50 copay, or $150 for the first couple of months. Massive. We're not talking about 1% or 2% stuff. We're talking about massive reductions. Well, one of the vouchers we issued was for this medication for cancer, that for certain types of rectal cancer, shrinks the tumor into nothing, eliminates, melts away.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  If that technology is out there and people are candidates, what are we doing? What are we waiting for?

• 42:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, obvious reason. Obvious reason. I mean, why, why would they release it? So think about, you don't think, you don't think some of these companies have the cure for cancer? Think about if, how many smart researchers we have. So somebody all of a sudden comes up and says, guys, we got this. Cure for cancer, this can help and let me show you, here's what it looks like. Now, the guy is gonna be sitting there saying, alright, we release this. Show us our charts, how much money do we make off cancer every year? Thirty-eight percent. Which drugs, what chemo, what, you know, medicine is tied to this? Thirty-eight percent of our top line revenue.

• 43:23Patrick Bet-David?

  How much would this be? This would be six percent of our top line revenue. So you want me to release a drug that's gonna inject our top line revenue by six percent, by get rid of thirty-eight percent? Yeah, guys, let's take our time with this one, keep researching.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  I see what you're saying, you're saying, you're saying the medical industrial complex is making so much money off the current way in which it functions, that if you come up with something that's gonna just eliminate diseases, that they can't poke and prod you and, you know, over-medicate you for and operate on you for, that, that is such a threat to the business model, that there's a machine that wants to stop it. So I understand why people are cynical, because the medical industrial complex has no incentive, really, to move in the right direction, they're profiting from sickness. But, I will say, I don't personally think it's that intentional.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  I think the pharmaceutical companies get a pot of gold if they can make a leap in advancing a treatment. So, this medication, for example, that melts away certain rectal cancers and other GI cancers, we're giving it a priority review, if the review goes well, and I expect it probably will, it's gonna be on the market, and you're gonna start seeing operations averted, people no longer sitting in the chemo chairs, not getting radiation therapy. Some of this stuff, by the way, doesn't work very well for certain cancers, depending on the type and the treatment.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  And so I do think you're gonna, I do still think there's an incentive to create some powerful treatments, a type 1 diabetes treatment. I'd like to see a meaningful treatment or cure for type 1 diabetes in this administration. There's a potentially promising treatment that we are tracking so closely, and here's how we do it. I personally go to the front lines of the FDA and meet with the scientific reviewers, one-on-one. It's gotta be one-on-one or you're not getting the full story, right? And I ask them, are you seeing anything that looks amazing? Something that gives you chills up your spine because it could be such a game changer.

• 45:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You're asking that question?

• 45:42Speaker 03

  I ask that question to reviewers. And, and, you know, most of the time, they say, no, nothing really that much of a game changer. But then we'll find a diamond in the rough. And one of those was this treatment for diabetes where, I don't want to get too much into it, but it, it is, looks amazing. And there's another treatment for another condition. There is, and, and we're going proactively. So if one of the reviewers says, you know, this early result, this data looks too good to be true, then we'll call the company, send us more data. Forget about the application and the margins and the font and the, you know, all the dumb requirements government says. Just send us the data and we'll look

• 46:24Speaker 03

  at it and we'll issue these vouchers to get a decision out in weeks instead of, you know, a year, years. So there's a, for example, about a month ago, an article came out in our top journal, the New England Journal of Medicine, for a type of childhood deafness, a form of congenital deafness that's about maybe, I don't know, 1 to 3% of kids with congenital deafness. And they gave them a gene therapy delivered through a little device that restored normal hearing to kids with congenital deafness. They got normal hearing in 3 out of 12 kids and 7 out of 12 got improvement in hearing. What are we waiting

• 47:05Speaker 03

  for, right? When you see that, the kid is deaf. And, and it had an impeccable safety profile. So we contacted that company days from that data being published. We are not in a receive-only mode. We're not a stingy librarian anymore at the FDA. We're proactive. So we're going out there and you're, you're seeing... Powerful treatments for some forms of blindness, deafness, pediatric conditions, rare diseases, cancers, and we're going to keep going. This is an entirely new approach, and I think we're going to deliver more cures and meaningful treatments for the American public in this administration. My predecessor in the Biden administration said his number one priority as head of the FDA was fighting misinformation. Well,

• 47:49Speaker 03

  our number one priority is not censoring Americans, it's delivering more cures and powerful treatments.

• 47:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that that number one priority is fighting disinformation matches up with what World Economic Forum, I believe, said at Davos, that number one was on that list. Rob, is that is that pretty accurate that they said the number one risk? So they're aligned. I'm not surprised that they're saying that. Talking about the, you know, coming up with certain medicines and competing. One day, three years ago, two years ago, we decided to go a little bit deeper on the patent laws when it comes down to medicine. And if I come out with a new, you know, this is specifically for pricing with drugs, how expensive it is, you would see patents in medicine is roughly 20 years. Of course, after the amount of time it takes to go through its testing and approval, it's a long, lengthy process. They generally have seven to 12 years where they have a monopoly

• 48:40Patrick Bet-David?

  on this product. But even then, so, once the 20 years comes by, these great lawyers know how to add an additional 18 years of extension. So the number was roughly 38 years that they end up having, give or take. That's a long time. And then you would see the price point charging $5,900. And then the day the patent's done with, two years later, it's $72 or $88. That drop off. You don't want to flirt with free market because that's competition. We have to have these guys have the incentive. If you remove the incentive, I think it's going to be catastrophic. But maybe we can change the patent laws. Maybe we can open up the patent laws to say, if you came up with it, you know, allow others

• 49:25Patrick Bet-David?

  to sell it as well. And anybody else that sells it for 10 years, they have to pay you 50% of profits. Maybe we can get creative with the patent law. So I, the inventor, the creator of the patent says, you know what, Doc, I think, Marty, you're being fair with me. I'm willing to entertain this. And you bring the lawyers and say, guys, we'll give you five years. From the day it gets approved, forget the 20 year number. You've got five years ahead of the game. But after five years, no extension. Give it up to anybody else. Anything they sell for the next 10 years, 50% profit comes to you. So I'm going from my distribution of one company. And now all of a sudden, this drug is being able to be sold by Johnson, you know, you know, what do you call it, Pfizer, everybody else.

• 50:09Patrick Bet-David?

  They did 2.2 billion last year. Profit was 600 million. Here's a 300 million auto check. I'm happy with it. I'm using their, so their sales people become my, so what can we do to creatively work on these patent laws that we have with medicine?

• 50:22Speaker 03

  We have to fix the patent laws and it's even worse than how you're describing. What happens is a company that gets a patent and gets a drug approved. Then we'll have dozens or hundreds of patents filed around that drug. And you might say, how are you filing more than one patent for a drug? Well, they modify the patent just a tiny bit. Or they add one little molecule on a complex chain of of molecules. And, you know, now it's a different drug. And so they just try to bum rush, like blitz the patent office with so many applications. So that when a company comes along after the patent expires and makes a generic.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  The branded company will sue that generic company saying, oh, you're violating our patent. Well, you got 100 of them. And so it creates legal obstacles for a generic to come to market. It because it just creates the opportunity for more lawsuits.

• 51:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think, do you think there's something there? Like, do you think you guys can go in, in three years, be able to change the patent laws and open it up for them?

• 51:27Speaker 03

  I wish we at the FDA could do that. It's really a congressional fix.

• 51:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, so that's, that means. And what do you need on the congressional side? And how much money are these guys? Because Rob, can you pull up how much the, I think the, you know, medicine, the medical sector of lobbying is a 800. It's one of the biggest ones, if not the biggest one, right? On how much they're lobbying their politicians. If you put them up there, they're up there in the top three, definitely top three.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Rand Paul has a bill on patent reform and there's a couple others. It's a bipartisan, I hope, I mean, it's desperately needed.

• 52:05Patrick Bet-David?

  2020, they spent 710 million, 13 million dollars.

• 52:10Patrick Bet-David?

  2020, you're going up against these guys.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  We are.

• 52:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the likelihood of being, so for us to change, so Rand Paul has a bill.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you seen this be something that the president or RFK Junior has entertained, driving and pushing, because I haven't heard a lot about this. Is this something that's at the top of mind or not really?

• 52:37Speaker 03

  You know, because it deals with patent law and it's outside of the jurisdiction of the FDA. The signals that we have given are that, hey, this needs to be fixed. But it's really something that involves members of Congress fixing. So I know there's support for patent reform, but I don't know where it stands from my vantage point at the FDA.

• 53:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's cost $713 million of federal, I mean, that's amazing.

• 53:07Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 53:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The amount of, you know, and imagine how many of these guys are getting funded for their reelection, you know, how much money they're getting to say, look, you better not entertain this one, you better not touch this one. So, okay, well, I ask that question because, one, cost, you know, the average person can't afford, you know, certain things and there's cures for them or their kids. It goes back to the movie, I don't know if you've seen the movie John Q with Denzel Washington. If you've never seen it, that is a movie you must watch because it's about your business.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  John Q.

• 53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  John Q.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  Concussion and thank you, Dr. Fauci.

• 53:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do, thank you, Dr. Fauci, but this was John Q with Denzel Washington. It is a very, very emotional movie that was shot 23 years ago. And there's a famous scene in the movie where he says, "My son buries me. I don't bury my son." It is a chilling scene when he talks about it, but a lot of people are going through some of the stuff that they can't afford to, you know, to pay for. Okay, so next thing to talk about. When I was coming up, I wanted to be a bodybuilder. I wanted to be Mr. Olympia. I said, you know, one day I'm gonna be Mr. Olympia.

• 54:24Patrick Bet-David?

  And the average height for Mr. Olympia is 5'8", 5'9", 5'10". I'm 6'3 1/2", 6'4". So for me, you know, I didn't want to be 400 pounds off-season. And there was this book that everybody had to read to learn about steroids. It's called the Steroids Bible. And it was multiple, you know, first one, second one, third one, all of them you would go through. And everything about testosterone was bad that you would read about. And then today, for the first time ever, back in the days, nobody would talk about that that guy's on steroids. No, he's natural, you know, and I think a couple of the first people that came out and talked about it. Arnold may have spoken about it. And a guy named Bill Phillips made it very open with this magazine called Muscle Media 2000,

• 55:09Patrick Bet-David?

  which was hands-on the best magazine in bodybuilding. And he, he wrote a book called Body of Life. He had a company called EAS. But today, guys will openly say, yeah, I'm on TRT. Yeah, I'm on HRT. What, what, what has happened where, what can you tell us from the perspective of steroids today? What does the average person not know about? Have we found, I read a book about 12 years ago called Ageless Man, where they were testing TRT and steroids with, you know, different things to say, you know, if the TRT, if the testosterone level is higher, your heart is actually doing better. What have we learned about steroids?

• 55:53Speaker 03

  It's a fascinating subject and I think you and I grew up around the same time and steroids were seen as this way to get buffed up. And people do feel better on steroids. Steroids are a natural chemical. When you take exogenous steroids, there are some short-term benefits, but there's long-term harms. And that's why the medical community warned against people buffing up on steroids just to look better and feel better in the immediate short-term. And then in the Olympics in the 1980s or so, people were taking testosterone as a performance enhancer.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  And all heaven and earth came down on those people. And that resulted in testosterone getting scheduled as a controlled substance. But the more that we've learned about the human body, the more we've realized now that there can be a role for testosterone replacement in men when they stop producing a high level of testosterone. And it provides some of the benefits of testosterone, including muscle mass. Now, this hasn't been proven yet as an outcome of taking testosterone replacement therapy, but do you know what the number one predictor of longevity is? Muscle mass. Now, it may be a function of the fact those people are more active.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  But if you look at muscle mass, and we can measure it on a CAT scan, it is the number one predictor of longevity. So, we are having, I think we're live here, right? When we're chatting. We're having, I think it's December 13th, we're having a forum at the FDA on testosterone replacement therapy in men's health because it has not gotten the attention it deserves. Some men are good candidates, but there's this stigma that it's maybe wrong, or maybe has, you know, short-term benefit but long-term harm. No, the more we learn about testosterone, the more we're learning that, say, low-dose testosterone can have long-term health benefits. So I'm not here to promote a product, I'm a regulator, but this has not gotten the

• 57:58Speaker 03

  attention it deserves. We have a guy, Brian Christine, who's a men's health expert, and he's going to be leading this. And, you know, we just did this big announcement on hormone replacement therapy for women. I don't know if you saw that. I did. Now, we got great coverage on it, and I'm glad it did because this represents the biggest screw-up of modern medicine. The demonization of hormone replacement therapy for post-menopausal women. And, you know, it came out of dogma, it came out of a Fauci-like figure at the NIH in the year 2002, about 23 years ago, who made this decree.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  And he had a study that he pointed to, even though the study was misinterpreted. And you actually looked at the details of the study when it first came out. It did not show an increase in breast cancer that was statistically significant, yet he said it causes breast cancer. No subsequent study has found that it increases breast cancer mortality, but women were scared out of this treatment. It's a life-changing, life-saving, life-extending treatment for many women. When their body stops making estrogen between 45 and 55 years of age, they replace it with estrogen replacement, plus or minus progesterone, and they feel better and live longer.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  It not only alleviates the short-term symptoms of menopause, that is, when I say short-term, that it can last eight years on average. We were told in medical school, "Ah, some women have symptoms of menopause, but they're usually mild and they're just last a couple of years." In other words, just tough it up. These women are complaining. Right? That was basically the male-dominated medical establishment. Now, we know symptoms last eight years on average. That 80-plus percent of women have symptoms, and for most, the symptoms are severe.

• 59:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  Where now, they're more likely to get an antidepressant when they come in for their mood swings than they are estrogen, which can alleviate these symptoms of the hot flashes, night sweats, mood swings, weight gain. I mean, marriages have been saved by hormone replacement therapy in post-menopausal women.

• 1:00:09Patrick Bet-David?

  In what way?

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  Well, for example, one patient described, we just did a podcast with some experts in this field, and they said, "The patient came in and said, 'Every time I had sex with my husband, it felt like razor blades in my vagina,' because there's dryness associated with the menopausal changes. And so, it makes, it can make sexual activity painful." And these symptoms were alleviated with hormone replacement therapy. So, not only are the short-term benefits remarkable, but there are massively underappreciated long-term health benefits that are profound. And let me just mention a couple. Lowering the risk of fatal heart attacks by 25 to 50%.

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  That's the number-one cause of death in women. I mean, on a, you know, on a population level...

• 1:01:01Patrick Bet-David?

  25 to 50%?

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, this is top studies in the journal circulation with one of the top cardiology journals just two years ago. And it prevents osteoporosis, like 90% effective in reducing osteoporosis. It reduces the risk of a bone fracture later in life. A woman's, you know, if a woman makes it to 80, there's like a 1 in 3 chance she's going to have a hip fracture. And that can be the cause of death in many women because it leads to disability and surgery and then complications. Well, the root issue is the bones were weak because the estrogen level dropped off at menopause and it's preventable with hormone replacement therapy. It also reduces cognitive decline later in life for a woman.

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  So the benefits are so profound that they're, by the way, there may be no medication in the modern era, with the exception of antibiotics and a few others, that can improve the health of women on a population level more than hormone replacement therapy for post-menopausal women, if it started within 10 years of menopause. It's a key feature.

• 1:02:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So that means 60, because the study had a number 60 in it, right? So, starting 10 years before 60, so you're saying, starting when you're 50 years old? Give or take?

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  Women experience menopause generally between the ages of 45 and 55. And so your body really should not be going without estrogen for more than several years because the estrogen keeps the blood vessel wall healthy. So it's generally believed that if you start it more than 10 years after the onset of menopause, or rule of thumb after age 60, that the benefit is not there and the risk benefit ratio inverts. And so doctors generally don't recommend it after age 60. But most doctors haven't recommended it at all because of the dogma from the NIH 23 years ago that it increases your risk of dying of breast cancer, something that's never been found to be true in a clinical study.

• 1:03:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the one that was released to the mainstream media first to kind of get some attention and then that's what caused everybody to think that's, those two tied to each other?

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was very manipulative. They released it to the media without the data and then they really published the study a week later. When we looked at it after it was published, we said, there's no statistically significant increase in breast cancer.

• 1:03:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Who benefited from that? Who benefited from that article?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Individual careers in medicine were made. They were, they were.

• 1:03:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody financially, like it wasn't like a big pharma company that benefited from this.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  No, this was the ego of people who set out. I mean, the lead, the lead investigator of that study had said before, we have to stop the HRT bandwagon. I mean, he was on a mission.

• 1:03:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, and let's stay on this, you know, with, with women, you know, young girls. When you pull up data and you say, okay, I hear people will say, you know, uh, uh, speaking to a doctor, we're at a soccer match. And he says, yeah, you know, girls are having periods earlier than ever before. Why? Well, there's many different reasons. I said, you know, tell me the history about it. And then we pull up the history and it says, you know, in the, in the late 1800s was 16, 17 years old. And in early 1900s, yeah, right there. So from 15 to 17 years old, and it went to 12 and a half to 13 years old. And then went even lower and lower. And then today it's 11 point something years old, 11, yeah, 11 years old. And some even, especially black and Hispanic girls, being puberty, uh, beginning puberty signs at eight or nine years old,

• 1:04:37Patrick Bet-David?

  with some earliest six or seven years old. This is the earliest in recorded history. Why is that?

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  I think it's because of the number of exposures of substances and chemicals in the modern world that have estrogen-like binding properties. I mean, you can go to the river and test the water and you'll find that there are things in there with estrogen-like binding properties in the modern world, things that have never been formally studied, but we know it binds the estrogen receptor, partially, not entirely, partially. And this is a huge issue. I mean, you talk about existential threats, right, to the human race. The age of puberty has been going down by a week and a half each year for roughly the last 30 years.

• 1:05:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, in Europe, where they may not have some of these exposures. You still have women, girls, going into puberty at age 14, sometimes, 15. Something's going on, and we have not paid attention to this. It's in the Maha Report that this is a priority for us to look at. But something's going on. And I remember in med school, we'd learn this. You know, they'd teach it in two seconds, you know? Just a flash line in the textbooks. And I remember that the instructor mentioned this. They were talking about puberty and the precocious puberty and other conditions. And they said, "The age of puberty is going down. It's now years earlier than it was a century ago."

• 1:06:09Speaker 03

  And then they moved on to the next topic in one breath. And I remember like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not talking, we're not gonna pause and talk about this?" And you have these issues in American medicine that live in these blind spots. And only intellectually curious people, like yourself, who ask about it, prompts the medical establishment to look at these things. Because we have a medical system that's designed to play whack-a-mole with prescribing meds and operating on people. Prescribe, operate, prescribe, operate. And so you come in, and we've done this terrible thing to doctors in America, where you come in and you get on the hamster wheel, and you're told, "Here are your tools. Prescribe and operate.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  And you can only work within the confines of your clinic, and we're gonna measure you by your throughput." And so these doctors become these busy beavers, just billing, coding, writing notes, prescribing and operating. Billing, coding, writing notes, prescribing and operating. And you wonder why the burnout rates are higher than any other profession, right? So we've gotta stop and ask, "What are we doing?"

• 1:07:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and so let's just say if I'm the establishment doctor, representative, and I say, "What's wrong with it starting earlier?" Well, how is that even a bad thing? Maybe it's a good thing that it's starting earlier. You know, maybe it's a, you know, they could make that argument to say, you know, if they start earlier, they get acclimated to it before they start the adult life and all this other stuff. What arguments have they made? Have you, have you heard any arguments for saying that it's good that they're starting it earlier?

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  I have not heard those arguments. I've not engaged in this debate. I mean, one thing that I've seen written about is women, girls, becoming pregnant earlier than their body is prepared to be pregnant.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  I personally have my own personal views, and that is that we are messing with God's creation. When you see women undergoing puberty earlier and earlier.

• 1:08:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You think, what do you think about birth control pills?

• 1:08:17Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't, I don't have a view on it.

• 1:08:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, because I'm trying to see what's happened during that time that would change things. You know, the first smallpox vaccine, you know, was given. Can you check to see, Rob, when was the first smallpox?

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Seventeen ninety-nine. Yeah, seventeen ninety-six in Europe, and then it came to the United States. Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse was trying to recommend this to everybody. And President John Adams was not into it. But then Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, believed in these vaccines and started the National Vaccination Program.

• 1:08:55Patrick Bet-David?

  So, could that have anything to do with it? Because again, patterns, what did we introduce that we didn't have before that all of a sudden changed things? I don't know when the first birth control was, Rob. Can you pull up the, because you know, when you're, when you're a kid nowadays, they'll say, my girl has acne. Yeah, you know, let's give her some birth control pills. You know, my kid's going through this. Yeah, let's give her some birth control pills, but she's not sexually active. Let, let's just give her birth control pills. And then later on, you're seeing all these side effects. And that was what, early nineteen hundreds? The idea began Margaret Sanger.

• 1:09:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Opens the first birth control clinic in US, quickly shut down. 30s and 50s, researchers on homers and ovulation make the idea of a birth control pill scientifically possible. 5157, the development of the pill, scientist Carl Gerassi synthesizes a key hormone, enabling the creation of the pill. And then 50s, funding and activism, Margaret Sanger and McCormick pushed the research towards forward with Dr. Gregory Pinkus and John Rock. The FDA approves the pill for menstrual disorders, not contraception. Women use it off label, that's 57. And then the first official contraceptive approval was May 9, 1960.

• 1:10:09Patrick Bet-David?

  The FDA officially approves Inovit as the first oral contraceptive pill. And then birth control is legalized for married couples, 65. Then legalized for unmarried women, 72. And then you have all these other things that comes up, the IUDs, which are horrible. The female condoms, implants, emergency contraception. Yeah. I'm, um. Is there a study to look into? Is there somebody that's researching this even deeper that we can look into?

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, there are teams looking at why puberty is going down in age. It's interesting in that chronology that you went through, which is fascinating. The early use was part of the eugenics movement, which people don't realize was alive and well and dominant and state sanctioned in many states of the United States in the early 1900s. And it wasn't, um, it wasn't sort of judicious population control. It was poor people and people that were deemed, you know, it used to be that if you were poor, it was assumed you were dumb. You were just not intelligent. And there was this sort of stereotyping. So there was an attempt to.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  Essentially reduce the population of minorities in the United States and people who were poor by giving them birth control, forced sterilization surgically and in other ways. And that was a part of a massive campaign that even persisted in some states through, I think, the 50s. And it's a very dark chapter of the United States, but that was the initial part that you said when it was shut down after its initial.

• 1:11:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You're talking about Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood and the history of her and, you know, what things you read about her, you think, you know, if you haven't read about her, you're like, oh, Planned Parenthood, what a sweetheart, she was probably a good. And then later on, you realize this woman was like not today's word of racism. She's actually right there, the adherent of the eugenics movement. She argued that birth control would reduce the number of unfit people. That's her words, and improve the overall health of the human race.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Right. This is the American eugenics movement. And this, we're not, we're like one living generation away. This is not like, you know, you know, the Battle of Babylon.

• 1:12:35Patrick Bet-David?

  No, she died in 66, at 86. So it's not, she, and today, folks defend Planned Parenthood as if it's the greatest thing for women. And what they don't realize is, I don't know what percentage of the abortions are black women, but a big percentage of them.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  High.

• 1:12:52Patrick Bet-David?

  High percentage of them. And, you know, one of our guys here, Tom, calls it the black genocide because it, imagine how many, you know, future presidents, entrepreneurs in the African-American community are no longer here because of what she did with Planned Parenthood. But God forbid you try to do anything with them. Any plans with these guys? Is there anything that, anything we want to do, you guys want to do with Planned Parenthood?

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  They are giving out a lot of puberty blockers. So, you know, that, that's not right. Some kid doesn't like going through puberty. I mean, puberty's stressful, right? I mean, let's be honest. Childhood is stressful. I mean, you know, the dynamics of kids interacting.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  And so, a kid comes in, didn't want to go through puberty, and we, as a medical field, say, "Oh, just take these pills, and we'll just defer it, kick the can down the road, and you can decide later what your gender is." It's not right. It's not right. I mean, you look at some of the indicators of the morality of our society, and it's scary. Thank God. Thank God for President Trump. I mean, can you imagine the alternative right now?

• 1:14:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my God. I mean, if Kamala was president today, do you know what that would look like? I saw a video today. A man wins women's strongest, you know, competition in Texas. I don't know if you saw this or not. And the second place, who's a woman, walks off, looks at the guy, shakes her head, and just, you know, minds her own business, right? Is that it, Rob? Yeah, can you play that clip?

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• 1:15:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at that.

• 1:15:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So, male adult film actor Jasmine Booker just won the title for World's Strongest Woman in Arlington, Texas, denying female opponent Andrea Thompson her rightful place on the top of women's podium. These are the types of thing, and by the way, this is in Texas, out of all places. Now, of course, Texas is not approving this. It just so happens where the competition was held, in Texas. You know, with puberty blockers, with even the movement of transgender, back in the days, like, basic question for you. If I were to ask you this simple question, because my, my, uh, my boys, one day, come out and they start talking to me about, "Someone in kid is gay." Okay, and what does that really mean?

• 1:16:20Patrick Bet-David?

  If I were to ask you right now, where did AIDS come from, what would you say?

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  You know, and speaking of the film, thank you, Dr. Fauci, they explore a non-traditional narrative, which has not gotten the attention it deserves, and that is that, um, it may very well have come from a lab in Africa.

• 1:16:39Patrick Bet-David?

  AIDS, could have come from a lab in Africa.

• 1:16:43Speaker 03

  HIV.

• 1:16:44Patrick Bet-David?

  HIV, okay. Um, you know, in, in the state of New York, couple of years ago, a virus is spreading, and I don't know if it was the governor that said this, or whoever it was, could have been the mayor, could have been the governor that came out and said, "Hey, specifically to gay men, to maybe pump the brakes when it comes down to being, uh, was it, is that what it was?

• 1:17:11Speaker 03

  MPOX.

• 1:17:12Patrick Bet-David?

  MPOX is what it was. Maybe pump the brakes on being sexually active right now, the next couple of months."

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, why would he say that? Why would he suggest that? Because if, if AIDS, and I remember the whole Anthony Fauci, uh, what was the pill that they, AZT, ATZ, am I saying it correctly?

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  AZT.

• 1:17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  ACT, yeah. And, uh...

• 1:17:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I think it gets to a point that some people don't want to talk about what really is going on and kind of want to give the direction at a different place on what's causing this. You know, where maybe it's even some people's lifestyle on how people live. Is it healthy? Is it not healthy? This is a sensitive topic. Most people don't want to go to it.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It's extremely difficult because who are you gonna lose? Who's gonna be not happy? We're already past this. But if we don't openly talk about this stuff, then you lose the argument with puberty blockers. Then you lose the argument with all the other things that's happening to kids and they're confused because we're like, "Well, no, I don't want to touch that story." Dallas Buyers Club, you know, Matthew McConaughey, what was really going on? And, "No, let's not touch that story because that's a little too controversial." Let's just kind of say it came from a lab. Let's just say it came from here. And then you're supposed to sit there and say, "Really?"

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't know where HIV came from, but how many people have Lyme disease, including people we know? Where did Lyme disease come from? I can tell you with a high degree of probability, it came from lab 257 on Plum Island, just outside of Connecticut, 25 miles from Lyme, Connecticut, where the first case was described. How do we know that? First of all, you can read the book Bitten, and it's a great book. When the Nazi war criminal doctors were executed in Nuremberg, at least one of them was spared and brought to the United States

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  so that he could, you know, his mind could be used by the US military for so-called "biodefense." And they put him on Plum Island. And he had said very openly that he believed an incredible form of bio-warfare was infecting ticks. And that's what Lyme disease is. And then it shows up 25 miles away. And by the way, that's not the only thing that showed up close by. They found half-rat, half-deer carcasses on...

• 1:19:54Speaker 03

  What's it called on, uh, in the Hamptons, the last town?

• 1:19:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Montauk.

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  Montauk. Yeah, it showed washed up in Montauk. This is like in the 90s. What the hell's going on there? Again, a bunch of mad scientists doing things. And we, and all these people have Lyme disease. How many physicians know that it came from lab 257? That Lyme disease came from approximately 1%, right? Because these are things we are, we are never honest with ourselves. That just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. And sometimes we can cause more harm than we can good by messing with Mother Nature.

• 1:20:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I agree. I also, I also think, you know, a part of this is, you know, pattern recognition. I'm from Iran. I'm Armenian. I'm a Syrian. You're Egyptian, right? I think you're, if I'm not mistaken, you're a Coptic Christian, right? Which by the way, the story about the, you know, the 21 Coptic Christians of them being held up and saying, hey, you better, you know, denounce your belief in Jesus. And they didn't do it. And we know the story on how that story ended up with them.

• 1:21:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, my aunt knew some of those kids. She has a program for poor kids in the garbage slums in Cairo. And some of those kids came through her program, her school and training. And then went out and got jobs. They would get jobs in Libya because there were, there was money to be made. There were jobs there for the poor. Then they would send the money back to their impoverished families. So I have a bit of a personal connection with that story.

• 1:21:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and tragic, tragic story when you hear about this, right? But, you know, when it comes on to your faith, which you believe in, which you've gone through. But I come over here, I see some of the stuff that's going on with health. You're sitting there saying, this just doesn't make any sense. Why are you having a hard time explaining this? Like they say, well, i- i- if we look at pattern recognition. All right, where did AIDS come from? Well, they came from monkeys. All right, so is AIDS predominantly with straight men and women? Or is it more homosexuals? No, it's more on. So then can we go a little bit deeper on this study to find out really what's going on? And can we just say it instead of trying to make everybody happy? It's okay, like we, we all have certain things that we do, but we need to be educated about it.

• 1:22:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And then instead of looking the, the other way, whether it's the Lyme disease, whether it's this, whether it's COVID, I simply, I think there are plenty of patterns, you know, politically, you know, what country you come from. If I want to get immigration to come in and I will look at and say, which country sends us the best and the smartest? All right, let's keep getting more from here that comes in. Which one sends us the most that become criminals and they cause havoc in America? Let pump the brake with this here. Why? It's racist. No, it's called data. It's pattern recognition. It's not racist. A company hires from certain schools because they feel those schools raise better people.

• 1:23:00Patrick Bet-David?

  When I talked to Billy Bean from Moneyball and the movie Moneyball, I don't know if you've seen the movie. Yeah. At this point, we're promoting so many movies today. I hope you realize we're making people money today. This is like a, this has nothing to do with the FDA folks. Secretly, we work for WME Endeavor. We're promoting movies and actors. But in this movie, I, I interviewed this guy, brought him three times, Billy Bean. And specifically, he came to three of my business conferences with one request, please don't record. That's his only ask. And I said, great, fascinating guy to have at the event. Yeah. I said, what do you recruit for? He said, we recruit for upbringing, how your parents raised you. Because if the kid is coachable, we can have an easier time training them and building them.

• 1:23:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course, physical abilities, how fast you run, your arm, and then you have your how to skill set and then, you know. But they have these patterns they recruit for. Is that racist? No. Why do they bring these Dodger focused on Japan right now? Dodgers probably has a headquarters in Japan. They're just like, who's the next Shohei Ohtani? Because their training routines are better. I just think if we go back to pure logic patterns to educate the American people and stop worrying about offending who, we'll make better health choices. But if we play politics, the people are like, Stop with these politics. Just let me make a decision for myself with the research.

• 1:24:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I think sometimes we're still playing a little bit of politics.

• 1:24:22Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:23Patrick Bet-David?

  When it comes onto our health. What do you think about that?

• 1:24:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's funny. Um, MPOX, you mentioned MPOX, it was called monkeypox. But there was a group of people at the CDC, I'm told it was Demetrius and those other guys that stormed out a few months ago. And they said, well, this, you know, this is, uh, an inappropriate term because, um, this could create a stigma. They wouldn't say it was a sexually transmitted infection. For weeks, they wouldn't say that. They wouldn't be honest with the American people that it was a sexually transmitted infection. After a while, people figured it out. And so they, they said they, you know, they have to rename it MPOX. And there was a big effort to rename it MPOX from monkeypox. Um, you know, this is the same CDC that has pregnant people and pregnant persons.

• 1:25:10Patrick Bet-David?

  It's out of control. It's like, just talk to me. Rob, can you pull up this article? This is the article. I mean, you, every, no one's gonna know his name, but everyone's gonna know the face. With, uh, I just sent you a link, Rob, if you just wanna put, yeah, there you go. I see what you're doing. So if you see this from PBS, PBS.org, this came out three years ago. Do you remember that face? Go up a little bit so the audience can see it.

• 1:25:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Everybody remembers his face. We're supposed to trust him. No? That's the guy that we were supposed to trust. Trust the science.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  He was part of the cover-up.

• 1:25:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course he was.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  For the Chi- for the Chinese.

• 1:25:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So the World Health Organization chief advises men to reduce number of sexual partners to avoid monkeypox. So why'd you name it monkeypox? That's offensive. Are you saying that they had sex with a monkey and that's how it got started? No, like, just tell us the full story. You know, so we can improve our lifestyle and how we live. And if you, like, for example, I, I have friends that know not using a condom increases your chance of getting sexually transmitted diseases, right?

• 1:26:13Speaker 03

  Having multiple s- s- sexual encounters with men who you don't know. Like, they couldn't say that. They couldn't say that was bad for you. It's, that it's risky to have sex with multiple male individuals that you don't know.

• 1:26:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What's wrong with saying that?

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  They couldn't say that. The CDC couldn't say that.

• 1:26:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Why can't they say that to, because it's what? It's, it's offensive? I have a friend that will never use a condom. And he's like, and he has had so many, one too many partners. And he's paid a price for it. You know, he's had some things where, you know, in the military, nobody in the military wanted to get gonorrhea because they used to, they used to use this phrase, dry rot. And I don't know if you know the story of what they do when you get gonorrhea in the army. That's good you don't know, but it's, you would hear a guy screaming like you've never heard a guy scream.

• 1:27:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:27:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Because of what they had to do, and I won't get too visual.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  Please.

• 1:27:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I won't get too visual. But it's not a good situation when it would happen in the army. And the doctor would tell him, here's how you got it. And guess what he would say? Still not gonna use a condom doc. So, but guess what? At least he knows the risk because he's being told what it is.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  This is the actual vector of transmission. Multiple sexual encounters with men who you don't know. That was, that was actually what they traced the transmission to, and they couldn't say it.

• 1:27:35Patrick Bet-David?

  And you remember the laws they changed because at one point, if you were HIV positive and you had sex with somebody, and you didn't tell them you're HIV positive, at one point, it wasn't a crime. Then it became a felony. And then they lowered it, I believe, to misdemeanor. I think the state of California did this, Rob. If you want to look this up so we can correct what I'm saying on this. But you have to say, hey, just so you know, before we have sex with each other, I'm HIV, you know, you would tell the partner. And then, great, so there's that, you know, risk that the individual knows. One of the states, yeah, one of the states had this. It could have been California, yeah. So, I, I think it's more about, just talk to us like adults.

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't be politicians. Tell us what the issue is. Let us make a decision. Say it in a respectful way. Yeah, states have modernized a lot. These states have reduced the HIV-related charges to misdemeanor now, unless intentional transmission is proven. California, Colorado, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Jersey, Virginia, Washington, Illinois, Arkansas, partial, Kansas, partial. What is partial? Knowingly exposing someone without disclosures, misdemeanor, max six months. Intentionally, general felony assault laws applying. This, this kinda was brought up in the Charlie Sheen documentary, which we promoting again because we're the executive producers. Charlie Sheen documentary, if you haven't seen it, this is asked. When did you have unprotected sex with people when you got HIV and not tell them about

• 1:29:05Patrick Bet-David?

  it? He says, "No, I told people and all this stuff, they knew the risk." Anyways, has to do with health, so I had to put a quick plug in to that documentary.

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  Got all the health topics covered today.

• 1:29:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Got all the health topics.

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  What's left?

• 1:29:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so the, the one thing I want to get to is with the recent story of Tylenol, when it came out with the ties to autism. So, are you and, are you and RFK Jr. on the same page when it comes down to the potential ties, correlation with those who took vaccines, the amount of vaccines kids were taking, because he always talks about the data, you know, back in 1972, you only took three vaccines and nowadays, you know, the numbers are you're taking 72 then before the age of three and all these numbers that they talk about, it's a big number. You can fact check me on this, Rob, to give the audience the exact number.

• 1:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you agree that there is a correlation with the amount of vaccines kids take to autism?

• 1:30:05Speaker 03

  I don't know what causes autism. I have ideas, but the announcement on, and there's, there's some incredible ongoing research. This is a massive priority. It's been blown off. Nobody really has been funding research in this space, even though it affects like one in 12 boys now in California. It was rare two generations ago. So, this administration is trying to deliver for the parents who have kids with autism. And on the Tylenol piece, you know, part of the investigation was talking to a lot of people in this field. And one of the people that the folks on Secretary Kennedy's team and himself had spoken to

• 1:30:49Speaker 03

  was the dean of the Harvard School of Public Health. And he has said, and I'm going to give you a direct quote, "There is a causal relationship between prenatal acetaminophen use and the neurodevelopmental disorders of ADHD and autism spectrum disorder." That's the dean of the Harvard School of Public Health. So they did this calculus where they thought, "Well, hey, Tylenol's sometimes overused. You just don't need it. Like, why do you need to treat a low-grade fever if you're not uncomfortable?" And we know, we know there's overuse. There's actually a study out of Johns Hopkins, my former institution, that if you take acetaminophen

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  when a kid is sick, it prolongs the duration of the sickness. Because the fever may be the body's natural way of trying to rid the infection and fight the pathogen. So they decided, hey, there are studies suggesting an association, there are studies that suggest no association. But this was a very strong view by the dean of the Harvard School of Public Health. Why not play it safe and tell people to minimize the use of Tylenol during pregnancy? They made very important disclaimers that were not covered by the liberal media. They said, "Talk to your doctor."

• 1:32:18Speaker 03

  They said, "Sometimes you do need to take it. You have to weigh the risks and benefits." Those were never picked up. But they just, they said in the precautionary principle, "We want people to know what the dean of the Harvard School of Public Health believes in strongly." And I believe the president and this administration have a right to an opinion to agree with the dean of the Harvard School of Public Health. Now, the media had, you know, conniption. I mean, they went into a grand mal seizure. And the dean of the Harvard School of Public Health, who said he would be a part of the announcement, and then he said he couldn't make it and he would be willing to do media... When the announcement was broadcast, he went running for the hills. I mean, he was hiding

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  behind a fig leaf because he's got donors who, you know, have Trump derangement syndrome.

• 1:33:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And you know, when you did that interview with Gupta and they asked, did you see the full interview that they put a statement from him afterwards, after the topic? Have you seen that?

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, look, I went back to Sanjay Gupta. I said, you, you got your fact check wrong. Here's the direct quote from the guy.

• 1:33:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What did he tell you?

• 1:33:24Speaker 03

  He said, oh, thanks for this information.

• 1:33:26Patrick Bet-David?

  But they didn't put it in the interview?

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  They, they, they tried to say, when I, I pulled this quote from the dean of Harvard School of Health, they said, no, he, he said that there is a possible association. Well, he said a lot of things, but he also said, there is a causal relationship. That's a direct quote on the record. It was part of a legal proceeding. So it's not, he wasn't, you know.

• 1:33:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so he was afraid, because I specifically want the audience to, because what they did is while you guys are having a conversation, there it is, Rob. I'm going to send it to you. It's the interview with, if you type in Gupta and Marty, if you just type that on YouTube and then go to 26 minutes and 40 seconds, okay? That interview right there on CNN, this is from a month ago. So, so the guy from Harvard first agrees, then he doesn't want to do it. Go back to 2630. Let's just go from 2630 if you can, just to kind of see the exchange. Go from right there, Rob.

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  ADHD and autism spectrum disorder. What is a causal association? Because I always thought there's associations. Yeah. And then there's cause and effect. Yeah, cause and effect. He thinks the sodium edamame is causing those. Now, look, he may not be right. I don't know. I don't think he said that, though. I think. He said, no, he said that. But in the, in the rest of that quote, he said, there's a plausible causation. But in the thing, in, but. From what I read, he said that there may be an association between Tylenol and autism. I'll get you the quote. He said a lot of things.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  To clarify, we went straight to the source, Dr. Andrea Baccarelli, the dean of the Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health. And here is the statement that was sent to us. This is currently linked on the White House website as of this week. And Dr. Baccarelli says in part, "As we noted in our review, animal studies have independently suggested that prenatal exposure to acetaminophen can adversely affect the developing brain. This biological evidence lends support to the possibility of a causal relationship between prenatal acetaminophen exposure and neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism." So, the possibility of a causal relationship in animals.

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  You watered it down.

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  To be clear, overall, experts say that there are multiple causes of autism, and the science showing a connection between autism and Tylenol is not at all settled. Back to the conversation.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  I think my job as a regulator is to say... So why did he do that? Yeah, he's trying to play fact checker and say, "Well, he didn't say that." And so he pulls another statement that's recent because now, you know, since he went running for the hills after, you know, Trump said, "Hey, women, when you're pregnant, you know, you may want to avoid acetaminophen, given the data." The guy was, you know, running and he was in hiding. And so they put out a watered-down statement about, "Oh, there might be a causal relationship." And my point to Sanjay was, no, he said, quote unquote, "There is a causal relationship." It is part of a legal proceeding, December 18th, 2023. And I sent it to him and I said, "How could you fact check that and mix it up?" And I

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  sent him the actual quote and he said, "Oh, thank you."

• 1:36:45Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it?

• 1:36:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:47Patrick Bet-David?

  But did you reach out to the actual, uh, the head of Harvard, Andrea, is it his name, Andrea?

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  Andrea Bussell.

• 1:36:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you reach out to him and say, "Why did you change it and make it more watered down?"

• 1:36:59Speaker 03

  No, um, I don't, maybe Secretary Kennedy called him. I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:37:07Patrick Bet-David?

  So what did they fear? So they fear what happens? That the establishment's gonna come out and be wrong? Is that what they fear? What is the real fear here?

• 1:37:14Speaker 03

  I think it's just reactionary. I mean, this was a healthy debate in the field. There were studies on both sides. There was a review done by Harvard and Mount Sinai. The review came out weeks before we were about to talk about Lucoverin as a treatment for some kids with autism. We were announcing this autoimmune mechanism whereby something triggers antibodies in a child to block the Lucoverin folate receptors in the blood-brain barrier. And that may be a cause of autism, or maybe many causes. And there's a treatment that bypasses that blocked receptor. And that's what we were about to announce. And then the study comes out of Harvard weeks before,

• 1:37:53Speaker 03

  and they decided, hey, do we also mention this controversy in the field? And they decided to mention it, to include it.

• 1:38:03Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm not even mistaken, Rob, if you want to pull this up, Tylenol did a, I think I retweeted this. Matter of fact, I know I retweeted, I just can't find it. Didn't Tylenol tweet?

• 1:38:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, the past.

• 1:38:17Patrick Bet-David?

  In the past, in 2017, that says, "We actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant. Thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns today." This is from, that's the tweet right there.

• 1:38:30Speaker 03

  Yep, there you go.

• 1:38:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, "We actually don't recommend," this is from 2017. So if the product says it, no one paid a price for this more than Tylenol. Tylenol probably felt the direct impact because people are like, "Well, babe, don't give the Tylenol to the kid." So I'm sure it's gonna take a few months for them to see the impact because the, most people don't, most people have plenty of Tylenol in their house. Like, you don't need to go order Tylenol every single day, right? So they're probably gonna pay the price, probably now, maybe Q1 of next year. So what is his challenge if even Tylenol is saying that?

• 1:39:04Speaker 03

  We are working on approving a drug for Trump Derangement Syndrome, but unfortunately, it will not work for stage four terminal disease.

• 1:39:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You're joking about that, but that's actually a, you know, that's actually a thing now, that, that patients go to their doctors for Trump Derangement Syndrome. There's even a lady that, there was a story. I was on Jesse last night, they sent me the research, a lady that went to the doctor, and she said, "If I go," I was on vacation the other day with my family, and I was having panic attacks, because if I went and even saw him on TV, I would start having panic attacks. And the doctor's trying to find a way to cure this woman.

• 1:39:43Speaker 03

  And, you know, it's a function of, I mean, it's, it's, it's not just in politics. Society has just gotten this toxic polarization fueled by the echo chambers of short-form social media and cable news. And it's just, it's, it's dividing our country, and it needs to stop. People need to realize that we are taking a data-driven approach here, but there's a segment of the population that just, whatever we say will say the opposite. And it's very different for me. I was a cancer surgeon and researcher at Johns Hopkins for 23 years. Everybody wanted me to succeed in that job. The administration, my colleagues, my staff, the students, the patient families.

• 1:40:28Speaker 03

  I'd go into some random restaurant, and somebody would recognize me. "Oh, you're the guy at the hospital, yeah, keep up the good work." Everybody in society wanted me to succeed. And I'm the same guy, and I walk over 90 miles to the FDA to run the agency, and because it's a, it's sort of a, you know, the politics of, of the context, a third of the country is cheering for you to fail.

• 1:40:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:40:55Speaker 03

  And it's, it's, it's a, it's a symptom of a larger problem in society. It's, I don't think it's really about any one individual. It's the, the state of discourse in the United States.

• 1:41:08Patrick Bet-David?

  It doesn't look like it's getting any better anytime soon. It seems like they're, you know, you saw what happened this week with sedition last week. With Mark Kelly coming out, making his comment, and I believe Hexet came out, Pete Hexet came out yesterday, Secretary of State, and announced that they're looking into it, to the point where Mark Kelly had to send a tweet, writing up his resume of what he's done in his time in service, right? And, you know, Mark was, yeah, this one right here. "So Captain Kelly, not only did your sedition video intentionally undercut good and order discipline, but you can't even display your uniform correctly. Your meters are out of order and rows reversed. When if you are recalled to active duty, I'll start with a

• 1:41:53Patrick Bet-David?

  uniform inspection."

• 1:41:59Patrick Bet-David?

  That is so funny to be able to pick on something like that. But let's talk about food. Let's talk about food and wrap up with food, because that was one of the first things you said your friends talked to you about with food supplies. So if we make a list of countries with healthiest foods, okay, we looked this up yesterday. Japan would be at the top. And it would say what they eat the most, fish and tea. And in Mediterranean region was second, believe it or not. I can eat Greek, you know, food all day. It's phenomenal. It was number two with their olive oil. And then number three was South Korea, Iceland, and then the fifth one, a popular one here with Humberto and a couple of our guys, was Israel, okay, with high fruit. And then when you type in countries with the least healthiest

• 1:42:40Patrick Bet-David?

  food, we're at the top, okay? Number one, most processed food per capita in the world, high sugar. And then it was UK, Australia, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. We're worse than Kuwait when it comes onto our food. We're worse than UK, Australia, everybody else. How do we get here and why is that?

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• 1:43:54Speaker 03

  It's a... So the field of nutrition science historically has been one of the most corrupted of all the scientific disciplines. It's... First of all, it's very hard to do the studies. It's hard to monitor compliance. People don't even tell me their correct height when they come see me as a doctor. They're not telling me accurately what they ate the day before. So these studies are flawed. The studies were really rigged and funded by the food industry. And there was a charlatan in the 1960s named Dr. Ansel Keys who set out to tell the world that the reason why we had heart disease and so many health problems was because of saturated fat.

• 1:44:39Speaker 03

  And he led the campaign to get saturated fat out of every carton of milk in school and make it part of the national food pyramid and nutrition guidance. And the problem was, he picked the wrong thing. Because when you get saturated fat out, you have to put in refined carbohydrates to replace it, to maintain the flavor. And so he ushered in a 50-year era of refined ultra-processed foods in the US diet. And these foods became addictive. They were chemically engineered to be addictive sometimes. We also had something called the GRAS rule, which meant if a company can deem a chemical as safe,

• 1:45:22Speaker 03

  or what we called GRAS, generally recognized as safe, then they can put it in food. We didn't ask for any data or studies. They could just deem any chemical that they create safe. And it was called the GRAS rule. By the way, we're undoing the GRAS rule in this administration. We're in that process. But we had the wrong information. And we're pounding these kids with things that raise their insulin levels to spikes never seen before in human history all day long. I mean, now kids have snack lists in school, right? You see these snack lists?

• 1:45:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:57Speaker 03

  What you don't, we didn't have snacks during class and between classes. You had breakfast, lunch, and dinner, right? So there, we're pounding them with these high glycemic index things. Their insulin levels are going high, and that moves fat into storage, into the liver. We have an epidemic of fatty liver. And so we have all these health problems stemming from glucose metabolism, high insulin, and what we call insulin resistance. That is, the cells can't handle all the sugar in the system, so they start trying to block it. And that is at the root of probably half our chronic diseases, if not more. We've got to talk about school lunch programs, not just putting every six-year-old on Ozempic. We are doing SNAP waivers so that we don't have to use tax.

• 1:46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Putting six-year-olds on Ozempic?

• 1:46:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the big push now by the American, yeah, American Academy of Pediatrics.

• 1:46:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 1:46:44Speaker 03

  That's the push. They're trying to lower the age from 12 to six.

• 1:46:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Putting six-year-olds on Ozempic?

• 1:46:49Speaker 03

  Big push.

• 1:46:51Patrick Bet-David?

  GLP wants to.

• 1:46:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:46:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:46:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:46:54Speaker 03

  This is not their fault. The, we want to blame the kids, but this is not a willpower problem. This is something adults have done to children by manipulating the food supply that's in front of them. And so you put these vibrant colors with artificial petroleum-based food dyes in ultra-processed foods that have chemicals designed to be addictive, and then you blame the kid for wanting more? There's a weird thing that some food does where it, you consume it, and you're kind, you're full, but you're still hungry. Your appetite's still there, and so you want more. And studies have even shown the vibrant colors on these cereals play with the developing mind of a child, and they want more. And so it's, it's

• 1:47:39Speaker 03

  not rocket, this is not the riddle of the Sphinx. This is not rocket science. It's, this is very obvious what's going on. So we took action to remove all petroleum-based food dyes from the US food supply. We're rewriting the food pyramid. We're ending the 50-year war on saturated fat. We're talking about the types of grains.

• 1:48:00Speaker 03

  The grains with fiber that come from good soil are healthier. Why do I have patients with chronic abdominal pain? We do everything we can in Western medicine, nothing works. Then they go to Europe for a year for a study abroad program and they're cured. What do they do? They just ate the food in Europe. So we are.

• 1:48:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Such an easy fix to do. But again, going back to lobbyists, okay? Just for the grain, the agricultural industry, in the amount of money they spend on lobbying, I think in 2024, 2023 was 177 million. How do you fight that? Goes back to the same thing.

• 1:48:41Speaker 03

  The same thing. It's a big force. Thankfully, President Trump has told me and Secretary Kennedy, you do what's right, you go big, you go bold and don't worry about the corporations and the lobbyists. We've never had that freedom in government to talk so openly about this. If I were in a prior administration, I'd have 50 text messages after this interview saying, oh, how dare you offend this lobby and that lobby? No, the President has told us, go big, do what's right and go bold and don't worry about them. And so we're rewriting the food pyramid. It'll come out soon. It's going to be a game changer.

• 1:49:23Speaker 03

  The SNAP waivers now are, it's the first ever where we're allowing states to not use taxpayer dollars for the foods that we deem bad for kids. We're seeing a renaissance in school lunch programs. We are now talking about natural light exposure. We're talking about the quality of sleep and circadian rhythms in children. We're talking about why do kids have attention deficit disorder? Why do they, are they on antidepressants? Not just give them more and give them the next level. So we're doing a ton on food. It's exciting.

• 1:50:05Speaker 03

  We're also eliminating unnecessary animal testing. We're doing it in a humane way. We're doing a lot. The food program led by Kyle Demontis is crushing it at the FDA. It's a big part of the FDA. It's been ignored. A lot of the doctors come in with drug backgrounds and they just kind of let it sit there. We've got a ton of reforms that are coming out. And we work closely with USDA and Brook Rollins.

• 1:50:30Patrick Bet-David?

  That's great. You know, yesterday, we're having a conversation with a couple of our friends. And one of our guys says, it was harder to quit. He says, "I was able to quit smoking cigarettes." He smoked cigarettes for 10 years. He was able to quit. He says, "But he's having a very hard time quitting sugar." And the addiction to sugar. And I've seen friends addicted to a lot of different drugs over the years. I've taken friends to rehabilitation facilities for them to stop using drugs. 14 days, you know, you have to do all these things. But, how are you handling, or what can families learn more about the addiction we have to sugar? Most people don't even know this. There's sugar in ketchup.

• 1:51:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You're like, "Why do I like ketchup so much?" There's a ton of sugar in ketchup. Ketchup has sugar, yes. What else has sugar? You kind of go through these, you know, dressing you use when you're having salad. "Why do I like this salad dressing so much?" Because there's some sugar to it. So, are you doing anything to also, you know, hold some people accountable to anything and everything they can see to put sugar in for people to get addicted to, they're doing it? What are we doing about that?

• 1:51:42Speaker 03

  So, we're looking at putting front of package labeling on added sugar on food containers and packages. And it's going to help educate folks. We put out something called a request for information from the industry. We want a unified definition of ultra-processed foods. Something we never talked about with the old Food Pyramid and Dietary Guidance.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  Obesity is an addiction to sugar. That's what it is. It's a glycemic addiction, if we're being honest. And so, you're right, you can go cold turkey from cigarettes, but it's hard. Like, 3% of people who try succeed going cold turkey with cigarettes. Many of them need some kind of aid to ramp off. But same with glycemic addiction. If you've got a significant glycemic addiction. So, we're addicting kids to sugar, and then we're blaming them for the addiction that we created in them. I mean, it's insane. And so...

• 1:52:40Speaker 03

  So we have to educate people. We're trying to get the word out. We're talking about it. And we want people to know that sugar was ignored entirely in the dietary guidance. Because the industry liked having a addictive substance that you never talked about. We are, we're talking about protein now. We need more protein than we thought. But obesity is in part a glycemic addiction.

• 1:53:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens there. And last but not least, with this vaping thing that's out with 70H you're seeing in it. And as well as other places that they're selling it, if I'm saying it correctly, 70H, am I saying it correctly? What is 70H?

• 1:53:23Speaker 03

  70H is an opioid sold in many vape stores in the United States. And you might think, how can you just sell an opioid in a vape store? But people don't recognize that 70H, which is a new synthetic concentrated chemical sold in gummies and food, drinks.

• 1:53:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:53:47Speaker 03

  It goes by several names, seven hydroxys, it's called just hydroxy, hydroxymetrogenine, metrogenine, MIT. You'll see this on packages of things sold in vape stores. And people should know it is an opioid. We're not talking about the trace amount of 70H in the kratom leaf. We're talking about synthetic concentrated 70H. Parents need to educate their kids that this is an opioid and you don't want to touch this stuff.

• 1:54:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it, is it true that it is 13 times stronger than morphine in its effects?

• 1:54:20Speaker 03

  It binds to the opioid mu receptor 13 times more tightly than morphine. And so we don't have any research on this new opioid. And so we've got to tell kids, like, don't play with fire. And we have heard stories of kids found dead with 70H wrappers at their bedside. So we want the school districts, houses of worship, we want everyone to know about 70H and educate your kids, do not mess with it.

• 1:54:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is not good when you're going through it. And I think the biggest thing at the end of the day is for parents to be educated to make good lifestyle changes. Every time I have someone on the podcast, that's like, the last time I had Celsius to drink. You know when's the last time I drank Celsius? Is the day we had Paul Saladino on. I don't know if you know who Paul Saladino is.

• 1:55:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, great guy.

• 1:55:13Patrick Bet-David?

  He's with Maha. He works with Maha as well. He came in, he told me, that's it, that's the last time. January 27th is the last time I drank Celsius. And I would drink Celsius every day. It's the last time I had it because of what he showed me. So, this is why we bring brains and experts like you to make us smarter. And I appreciate you for your time today. This was great. Really enjoyed the conversation. Is there anything you want to drive the audience to for them to go learn more? Is there a website? Is there anything you want them to go to?

• 1:55:45Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. And I'm disappointed we didn't talk about pancreatic biliary diseases, which I thought we were maybe going to talk about.

• 1:55:54Patrick Bet-David?

  One of these days.

• 1:55:55Speaker 03

  One of these days. But no, our FDA website has a bunch of information. It's great to connect with you, great to be here. Thanks for having me.

• 1:56:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Likewise. Great having you on as well. Appreciate your time, appreciate for coming out. Take care, everybody. We'll see you guys tomorrow. God bless. Bye bye, bye bye.