Alex Jones: Trump, Israel, Secret WW3 Plans, Dire Wolf Resurrection, Infowars Reporter Assassination

The US government has spent the last 12 years trying to censor and destroy Alex Jones. They’re still trying, and it’s not because he’s crazy and dishonest. It’s because he’s telling the truth. Watch this. (00:00) How Alex Jones Predicted 9/11 (09:22) The CIA's Influence Over The X Files (13:33) The Globalists Are Hiding in Plain Sight (17:55) Why the Left Wants Trump Killed (21:50) The Burden and Responsibility Alex Jones Bears (43:04) The Assassination of Infowars Journalist Jamie White (53:03) Have We Lost the War With Russia? (56:47) There Was a 50% Chance of Nuclear War and the Pentagon Didn’t Care Paid partnerships with: Eight Sleep: Get $350 off the Pod 4 Ultra at https://EightSleep.com/Tucker Policygenius: Head to at https://Policygenius.com/Tucker to see how much you could save Jase Medical: Go to https://Jase.com and use code TUCKER at checkout for a discount Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so I want to impose my theory on you, and you tell me what you think. So for the past 15 years, I've been watching the feds, the FBI, the DOJ try to destroy you. And I've watched as no group of gatekeepers, or whistleblower protectors, or journalistic, ethics guardians have defended you on First Amendment grounds, which is pretty shocking. But the question's always been, why are the feds so intent on taking you out? And here's my theory. So the summer of 2001, you go on TV, timestamped, and say, someone's going to fly planes into

• 1:14Tucker Carlson?

  the World Trade Centers, they're going to blame Osama bin Laden, call the Bush White House, warn them. You basically called 9/11 in detail. You're the only one who did, and we can prove that. It's not a guess. We have the tape. I've played the tape. 9/11 happens in September, there's a 9/11 Commission immediately impaneled, they go and interview a bunch of people in the US government and outside and ask where their signs of this was happening. They don't interview you. You're the one guy who predicted it in public, or the only guy who predicted it in public, and no one calls you to ask, how the hell did you know that? Which is the obvious question. Then they set about trying to destroy you. Rather than hailing you as a prophet, or at least asking the question, how the hell did Alex Jones know in detail this was coming? How did you know? They never even ask you.

• 1:57Tucker Carlson?

  And then they mobilize DOJ and FBI against you. And I think there's a connection between those two facts.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Well, there certainly is. I'd already been researching false flag attacks, not just by our government, but other governments throughout history. The Gulf of Tonkin to get us into Vietnam in 64, that was later declassified to have been staged. And of course, the US's liberty between Israel and the Lyndon Baines Johnson administration wanted to get us into full war with Egypt, but the ship survived, became the most decorated ship in US history because of the valiance of the crew. And Operation Ajax, where the CIA and Kermit Roosevelt in 53 overthrew Mohamed Mosaddegh, who was a reformist and really pro-West, but he wouldn't give them all the oil. And they used radical Islamism to overthrow him, and then put the Shah in, and then overthrew the Shah. Over and over again, there's just hundreds and hundreds of historical real case examples of that

• 3:09Speaker 02

  being done by our government and other governments. And I saw a lot of pre-programming in the news. Oh, someone bin Laden is going to get us when he gets us. We need to give up all of our rights. It will be a new America, and we've got to set up this police state. So I saw a lot of pre-programming and...

• 3:27Tucker Carlson?

  But you called the specifics. You called the specifics of 9/11. I just can't get past that. And I've asked you in public and private, how did you do that? I've never gotten really a straight answer. I doubt I will now. But the fact remains, the incontrovertible fact, the provable fact, that you called it, and then they began a campaign against you. And it's not because you're a racist. You've never been a racist or an anti-Semite or a crazy person, actually. You've never spewed hate, but you have, for, you know, 30 years, said the foundations of our system are actually kind of fake and rotten. And it's, but it was 9/11. That's when they decided, that's when they really decided this guy has to be stopped. And... And just basically eliminated the First Amendment to stop you.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Well, just to be clear, it's not that I'm dodging how I knew it. That was 24 years ago. And I, I remember what I was covering and what I was doing at the time. And everybody's seen the July 25th, where I went into detail, but, but actually my crew using chat GPT scanning through all my old shows. Found shows in April and even before that in March, where I get more specific and I said, the CIA is going to fly planes into the World Trade Centers. And blame it on Bin Laden.

• 4:37Tucker Carlson?

  So I just think that's the most amazing fact I've ever heard in my entire life that you called that. And, and again, we can prove it because it's on tape with timestamps. And everyone's like, oh yeah, okay. Alex Jones is crazy. I hate her. Okay. Whatever. I don't think that's true, but you called nine 11. And no investigator ever called you to ask you how you called that, how you knew that, not one.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:59Tucker Carlson?

  No one from DOJ, Philip Zelikow of the nine 11 commission that called you.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 5:03Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 5:04Speaker 02

  And, well, I mean, obviously because certain segments of our intelligence agencies with other foreign intelligence agencies. Were tracking the supposed hijackers. They were being trained to US military bases. They were being given government money from our government and other governments. They were being protected. Then two of their magic passports and all that rubble and hundreds of millions of pieces of paper were found the next day. To then connect them to it. It was all laid out. Then the Bin Laden family was thrown up, was flown out of the country. In the days after, and that was basically shut down in the news. You know, it was covered some locally here in Florida. So.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  I knew that Bin Laden had been CIA going back to really the Mujahideen being set up by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Jimmy Carter. Then Reagan took that over. And then they kind of build that as blowback. But even recently, you've seen the USAID information and, and other documents come out in the Institute for Peace. Where they're directly paying massive amounts of money to Taliban, to Al Qaeda, to ISIS, even in the last few years.

• 6:05Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  And they use them as these proxy armies. So, so that was well known in the research circles. That, that, that, that Bin Laden was basically a multinational cutout used by Western. Intelligence agencies destabilize areas, but also be a boogeyman that you see CNN in a mountain cave magically being able to find him, but the US can't kill him and nobody else can. And I knew that CNN is literally the CIA broadcasting system.

• 6:29Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Total Mockingbird, thoroughbred. And there were hundreds and hundreds of points that went in, but okay, Bin Ladens were for the CIA. And you got CNN interviewing him and they're all scaring us, saying he's about to attack us. And then I remembered how Ahmad Salam, who was an Egyptian intelligence agency operative working for the FBI and CIA, was hired to build a bomb in the early nineties to blow up the World Trade Center. But then when they said build a real bomb, he started recording them because he sort of figured it was a setup. And then he had that press conference where he played it. I interviewed him a few times where the FBI said, no, just go ahead and let it go forward. And so you start adding all that together. They'd already tried to hit the World Trade Center before.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  The World Trade Center had a lot of issues in it with asbestos and also some of the structural issues. So they were already wanting to have a plan to get rid of it. And then you have the CIA and FBI in the Solomon Brothers Building, Building Seven, the 47-story skyscraper. You have that right next door. So I looked at all of it and I thought, where would the new Pearl Harbor be? And the year before, in the Project for American Century headed up by Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney wrote in there that we need a new Pearl Harbor event to launch the Pox Americana, but it wasn't an American empire of freedom and liberty and justice like Trump's trying to, you know, launch. It was a globalist empire of military

• 7:53Speaker 02

  enforcement and tyranny. And so there was a lot of other data points that went into it. Cheney also writes in that same document, we need to look at race-specific bioweapons to have control and bring in our power. And that was actually picked up in the newspapers.

• 8:07Tucker Carlson?

  I, but I, okay, so these are not minor issues. This is, these are like the biggest things happening in the world. The most important things happening in the world. And the end of one system ushering in of a new system, millions in the end died because of all of this, millions. And you're on like cable access in Texas figuring this out. Like where's everybody else? I don't understand, like, I don't, where, I worked at CNN at the time. I don't, and we had, as you said, Peter Bergen went and interviewed Bin Laden, I'm not attacking Peter Bergen, but like, how come you were the only one who figured this out?

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, by that time, I started out in 94 as a guest on Access TV and had my own show by 95, but I, I was on local talk radio. I just started getting, I've been syndicated a few years then, but I, but I mean, but you're right, I was on Access TV as well, and, and that's where the famous-

• 8:55Tucker Carlson?

  But you were like way out on the fringe, and all the people at the very center of our business, journalism, like, they didn't see or didn't talk publicly about any of this, like, none of this.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Well, I saw Gary Hart on with another guest.

• 9:14Tucker Carlson?

  Gary Hart, the former presidential candidate, Senator from Colorado?

• 9:16Speaker 02

  I think it was the Hart-Reben Commission.

• 9:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  I saw him in Congress with testimony earlier that year, and also saw him on, I believe it was CNN, or maybe it was Chris Matthews, MSNBC, but, but the clip's famous, and they say, "The world's about to change. There's about to be big things happening, you know, big, big attacks."

• 9:38Tucker Carlson?

  When, when was this?

• 9:39Speaker 02

  It was, it was in early July.

• 9:41Tucker Carlson?

  It was before 9/11?

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Yes, and, and that's, and they were very specific, somebody should find that clip, can crowdsource that, and that was the final catalyst, because they were basically telling the establishment, very thinly veiled, what was about to go on, so I sat back, I looked at it, and I thought years later, how did I come up with that? Because I don't just say a bunch of stuff, then most of it doesn't come true, when I'm very specific on predictions, and almost all of them have come true. I thought that it was the spinoff of The X-Files, I wasn't even an X-Files fan, rarely watched it, called The Lone Gunmen, that it turns out had come out in the spring of 2001, that, that I didn't even learn about, because there wasn't, you know, Facebook and Twitter and X back then, so if you didn't watch those

• 10:26Speaker 02

  entertainment shows, you didn't know about it, and then, six months or so after 9/11, listeners started saying, "Have you seen this?", and I had listeners send me VHS recordings off Fox TV of this episode. Where a criminal group in the US government hijacks a jumbo jet in New York to fly it in the World Trade Center to blame it on a Central Asian terrorist so that they have a pretext to take over domestically with a police state and launch wars in the Middle East.

• 10:56Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, this was on the X-Files?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yes, this was on the X-Files. And so later, I thought, maybe I got it from that. But then we found tapes even earlier, a month before that came out, where I was already had put it together on the radio. But here's what's crazy. Then I got reached out by some of the hosts of the X-Files saying, hey, Chris Carter told us that the CIA came to him with the plot of this and asked him some of the scripts that they would ask him as a favor to put this in as a TV program. And then later, I corresponded with Chris Carter via email. He talked about this in the news, like in entertainment publications, about, oh, Alex Jones is a really good guy. And when they rebooted in 2016 again, he talked about the talk show host characters based on me. So I've talked to him, some of his crew, but he said, no, I don't know why the CIA, you used to interview him, you know,

• 11:42Speaker 02

  came to me and said, here's the script for this show. So it wasn't just Alex Jones saying that a government agency was going to hijack a jet and fly to the World Trade Center. The X-Files spinoff, The Lone Gunman, one of its main episodes was about that specific story.

• 11:58Tucker Carlson?

  This is just crazy. So I often get, you know, people I know saying-

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Oh, and they remote control and hijack the jet, the good guys, and keep it from crashing the World Trade Center. So why would, why would the CIA come to Chris Carter and say, we want you to write this? And then, and then it's released months and months before 9/11. So I'm not the only one. It was in the collective unconsciousness. I mean, I mean, I don't know. But, I mean, I said two weeks before they'd shot Trump in Butler, I went on air and I said, they're going to try to shoot him at a rally. I mean, that was, that's obvious to see how desperate they were. All the lawfare didn't work. I mean, a lot of this is just studying how they operate. But so much of it now is John Podesta in-

• 12:40Speaker 02

  August 2020, the New York Times wrote about it, had a big war game with the top Democrats. And they said, if Trump wins, if they weren't able to steal it, in my view, then we're going to have civil war conditions, we're going to have blue states secede, blue cities, and we're going to use social issues to foment a rebellion that we're going to basically frame as racial, George Floyd on steroids, you know, 10.0, and then we're going to drive Trump from office. Well, they were able to steal it, in my view, the evidence I think is overwhelming. So they didn't use that plan. Well, they sort of talked about that plan again in the months before this last election, last year. So, so, so much, so much of what I'm able to predict isn't even really prediction. They admitted, I mean, the UN said for 20 years, we're going to use disease X to bring in a global system,

• 13:22Speaker 02

  a global central bank digital currency, a global social credit score, a global vaccine ID that will be used as the global internet ID, global taxation ID. That's official. Bill Gates, the UN, all these big bodies preparing how they'd roll this out. You have the Rockefeller Foundation with Operation Lockstep 2010, 2011, describing locking down the sports stadiums, locking in your houses six feet apart, wearing masks for fear. I mean, that's, and then Bush, George W. had that in the Bioshield program that passed in, what, 2005, where they sent out kits, millions of them, to everybody, to the Red Cross, with the six feet apart, with the mask, with all the stuff. But they didn't launch the bio attacks care that they had, I think, locked and loaded then. They waited till 2020.

• 14:05Tucker Carlson?

  So basically, you're just taking them at their word. You're just paying, you're doing what I don't do enough, which is listen to people I disagree with and sincerely try to assess what they're saying.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Now, Fauci just said last week, a much worse, way higher morbidity, it's respiratory, it's common. And you got hotels, oh, don't worry, Trump's going to have a big problem, and it's going to come crashing in on him. We'll see how he tries to reboot the economy. And then you know, then you learn Fauci and all of them are involved with Obama and Chapel Hill and North Carolina creating COVID-19. It was a big scandal, 2015, gain of function, SARS. And then they move it to Wuhan to have plausible deniability, so they can kind of blame the Chinese if they want. I'm not saying the Chinese are good, the Chinese are terrible. It was kind of a joint project and then then they roll it out, then they've got their so-called shot that's mRNA. I mean, this stuff is all very well planned. And so when

• 14:58Speaker 02

  you see him up there in line going, no Senator Paul, it is you that is wrong. No gain of function. Then it's in all his emails. This is gain of function. And he has public symposiums in defense of gain of function. I mean, he's Mr. Gain of Function. If he was a superhero, he would just have gain of function on his chest and the back of his cape. And then he's like, I don't know anything about that. And so, I mean, these guys just treat us like children. And so they kept saying, we're going to use a virus, we're going to use a scare to bring in our global government. I mean, I remember Lou Dobbs and Judicial Watch 2006 sued to get North American Union documents. And in it, they're meeting up at Banff, Canada, and they're like, we're going to use collapsing migration flow from a virus to flood the West

• 15:40Speaker 02

  and use that crisis to bring in a new Marshall Plan. We're going to use a disease X to, you know, finally get the world to accept this global government. So they're just scheming constantly. They have event 201.

• 15:51Tucker Carlson?

  But in public?

• 15:52Speaker 02

  In public. They have the spars war game 2025, 2028, that came out of fearism for 2020 in the viral release that is actually set in 2020 to 2024. And it rolls out how they're all going to do it. The tweets that are in there are almost word for they just changed the name spars to COVID-19. So it's a blueprint. And then they get caught, oh, it's not a viral attack plan. Oh, it's just a war game. But the war game matches the exact rollout of the attacks. So they're all on script.

• 16:22Tucker Carlson?

  So in a normal world that rewarded, you know, excellence and prescience, you'd be a billionaire because of your predictive powers. I mean, huge companies, governments hire people who can piece together fragments of evidence to create an accurate picture of the future. That's, that's a huge business. I know a lot of people in that business. George Friedman, guys like that are really, really smart people. But you've got the best track record of all. And I think it's so telling that rather than reward you for this, or call you up and be like, Alex Jones, what do you think's coming next? They're like, no, we must like eliminate our own first amendment to destroy your life, which is what they've done. Um, that, that seems like a pretty clear indicator of their guilt to me.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Well, what they don't want is compartmentalize good people in industry and government, not just around the world, to listen to what I'm saying, go check it out for themselves, find out everything I just said is on record. Anybody can just type anything I said and it's, it's, it's from their own documents. And then people will basically put the glasses on like they live and see it for themselves. I'm not telling them what to see, like the corporate media does, brainwashing people and, and, and selling them a lie that two men can have a baby and there's no X and Y chromosomes and communism's great and, you know, open borders are wonderful. No, I mean, I'm simply saying, see this for yourself. I liken it to those hidden image paintings. And, and when you first can't see the hidden image, you're like, I can't see. Once you do see it, you can't unsee it. So I'm only trying to get people to go look at what I'm pointing out and find out.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  I liken this whole thing to like, you have the adult table with the CFR, the Club of Rome, the WF and the UN, the think tanks, the Rand Corporation. And they're at the adult table at Thanksgiving and the general public and even a lot of the politicians are compartmentalized and naive. We're over at the kids table and we'd actually listen to what the adult table, because that's their arrogance. They admit 99% of this in their own battle plans, as if we are too lazy or stupid to ever go look at it. And that's part of a confidence game they have with their own people, their own corporate intelligence operatives, their own government intelligence operatives, their own networks, where they just basically admit all this stuff out in the open. I mean, it's like, uh, you know, mud from the CIA on CNN saying, Foggy Bottom's gonna kill this guy.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  We're gonna kill Trump. And. Then Trump had called me, this is back in his first administration, I said, "Listen, you need to watch out, they've got Phil Mudd and all these other guys on CNN MSNBC saying they're gonna kill you." He goes, "Just a moment." He goes, "I'm gonna have the Secret Service call you." In about an hour, they call, and they go, "What's going on, Alex? Trump told us to call you." And I said, "You don't know about this, this, this, this, this, this?" So he goes, "Here's our email." And I sent the Secret Service this, as if the Secret Service doesn't know, they were all over TV saying we're gonna kill Trump. So, so, I mean-

• 19:06Tucker Carlson?

  It's possible they caught that, yeah.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then Trump didn't catch it, so, so, and I mean, now they're everywhere. You've got this new Rutgers study out where 55% of Democrats liberals are asked, you know, "Do you support Trump being killed?" They're like, "Yes, we want him dead, he should be assassinated." This is like, this week, and came out whatever the weekend, and they asked him, "So, do you see yourself as part of a assassination culture?" And they said, "Yes." So, but then if you say, "Oh, the Democrats are fomenting violence," I mean, The View says all the time, "He's killing people, Elon's killing people." They don't say how, he's, they're stealing your Social Security, they're killing old ladies, and so, "We need to be ready to fight and die to take this guy out." Those are quotes.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  And, and, and then they just sit back and go, "Oh, no, no, no, we're not calling for violence with Crockett and all of them." But, but they're not gonna do it, they want lone nuts to do it, because their other wind-up operatives, like Crooks and the other guy here in Florida, failed. But, I mean, they are, they are crazy, and of the establishment or what's left of it's falling apart, thinks killing Trump is going to help them, they're delusional, because if you look at all the scenarios that come out of that, it's much worse for them.

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• 23:17Tucker Carlson?

  Before I ask you what you think the signs are pointing to now, like what are your predictions for the next five years, and then I ask you how your battles with the US government are going in its attempts to silence you, how do you, like, if you have this ability, which you do, I'm not sucking up, it's just, again, it's provable, to put together a picture, an extraordinarily accurate picture of what the future holds, like, what does that do to you? How do you sleep? And how do you live? And like, why haven't you totally destroyed yourself? Like, that's not, those are kind of not thoughts that most people, including me, are burdened with and don't really want to be burdened with. But like, how do you turn off the visions of the future in your head?

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I appreciate you saying nice things about me, and obviously God gives us all different gifts, and I do have some gifts. But I think a lot more people have these gifts and then, then really realize it.

• 24:10Tucker Carlson?

  But you can prove it. That's why I've, obviously, we're friends, and I like you as a man, but you can prove it in a way that others can't because it's on tape. So it's not really debate. Has Alex Jones had, you know, more accurate predictions of his future than any living person in the world that I know of? We can prove that. We don't have to argue about it. I've got the freaking tape. So, again, it's not even a compliment, it's just an observation. And I don't know why I seem to be the only person who's obsessed with this. Like, how did this guy predict this? No, everyone's like, oh, he's great, okay, maybe he's crazy, but he predicted this. So my question is, like, what does that do to you?

• 24:48Speaker 02

  I mean, it is stressful, the responsibility of constantly researching and looking at all, you know, culture, pop culture, that's where a lot of the real brainwashing is at. That's where a lot of the predictive programming and manipulation goes on. Yes. But also in so-called news, but I, I mean, I did get to where I drank way too much, ate too much, got really unhealthy because I could, you know, go home at night and have some drinks and, you know, and eat half a key lime pie and just kind of dial out and forget about Yes. uh, reality, but, but things have gotten so intense and so dangerous that about the last nine months, I haven't drank and I've been exercising every day and I've lost 63 pounds and I feel great and I've just embraced, uh, the responsibility. Plus,

• 25:30Speaker 02

  we're alive right now, really in the great, great awakening where more and more people are piecing things together and, and, and, and deciding to really get informed and engaged. And so I'm, I've always said, I want to become obsolete where people really start understanding how the world really works to such an extent that there are so many other journalists and researchers and pundits and just private citizens and people in business and academia and life and, and, and in, you know, the ecclesiastical circles that they really realize that this globalist system is transhumanist, it is evil, it is a spiritual battle at the end of the day and people need to really choose a side. And, and so I think choosing the side and then saying, hey, God, I, I, I can't do this, you know, I'm, I'm weak, I'm imperfect, but you know, through you I can and, and really praying and asking God

• 26:13Speaker 02

  to lead God and direct you and give you discernment. So to really answer your question, um, I'll have all this data and this research and so, so that my feeble human mind can understand really what God tells me. And, uh, then it's that final little ingredient of being sure about something that that's what they're intending to do, but we have real agency, good has more power than evil. They always say the devil's greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn't exist. I think that's the second biggest trick is that he doesn't exist and he does. His biggest trick is convincing people that there is no good out there and that, and that, and that there's not That's right. and, and that God doesn't exist. So.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  You know, for me, so much of it again is in the old days, the globalists, the, the Western propaganda after the end of World War II, and since then, when we won World War II, had pretty much total narrative control. And so, anything they were pre-programming and preparing and hyping the people for, they pretty much always got what they wanted. So it was easy to follow those trend lines out and see what the probable main scenarios were. And then, things would almost always come true that I predicted because they were still in charge. Now that the globalists are really collapsing and a new international order and system is forming, coming from the grassroots up, politics is downstream from the grassroots,

• 27:37Speaker 02

  and because Trump is such a chaos bringer to their system, which is good, but with it also comes danger, but it's, it's better than living, you know, you know, on our knees and then ending up having our souls basically taken. It's, it's, it's, it's better to fight down our feet. But in my experience, people that fight on their feet live a lot longer and have better lives than people that try to live on their knees. I agree. People that live on their knees actually die on their knees a lot more often than people who die on their feet, in my experience. So, now is really the global revolution. It's a spiritual revolution. The information, the culture, all of that comes out of that. And so, now, there's so many possible futures and, and so many developments, because there's been so many good people that actually care and want to stabilize civilization and thrive

• 28:21Speaker 02

  and have a future and, and who are not based on conquest mindsets, but, but are based on Renaissance concepts, the Great Reset versus the Great Awakening, that right now, anything is possible, because America still has the world reserve currency, still has the biggest, best military, still has the best energy system for raw energy, and still has a spirit that is being rekindled, that was the apple of the world's eye, and really the flower of the Renaissance that, that, that we're now rebooting. It's powering back up right now. And that window is closing, but we're, we're acting on it right now. And if we're just not weak and, and, and cowards, like Trump has said, and, and if we don't become panicked...

• 29:04Speaker 02

  But remain Americans, uh, then really anything uh is possible because as Elon has said, if America falls, the central pillar in Western civilization and Western civilization falls, it all falls.

• 29:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Uh, and so for me, I don't do this out of courage. I do it out of direct self-preservation for myself, my family, and by extension, everybody else, because we're all interconnected. And people need to understand the true urgency that the globalists said they were going to collapse the world economy and use that for social control, as Larry Fink said, to control our behavior. And we're going to build something extremely hellscape-ish and dystopic in their own admissions. All the horrible stuff we see is just the leading, you know, edge of it. Uh, and, and so, so to me, there's really even no choice but to fight with everything I've got.

• 29:50Tucker Carlson?

  So you said this is a, you said two things that really struck me. One, that anything is possible right now. This could go in, in an infinite number of directions, some hellish and, and some blessed. And so I think that that feels right to me. Second, you said this is a spiritual revolution. What are the signs that you see of that? What do you mean by that?

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Well, if you read the Bible, Old Testament, New Testament, it's all there. And then I see it happening. Uh, it says that during these big times of change, uh, that, that, that you'll see the best out of the good people and the worst out of the bad people. And some people you thought were good are going to really activate and show you their real cards, that they're really your servants of evil or really slaves of evil. And then you're going to see some people you thought weren't good that are going to be touched and make the decision to be strong for liberty. That'll be some of our greatest champions.

• 30:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Uh, and that you're not going to really see people in the middle anymore, that big middle of people passing the buck. God said you were hot nor cold. You were lukewarm. I spit you out of my mouth. And so we're, we're going into really the beginning. It's going to get way more intense in my view. Uh, I mean, if any prediction, it's, it's that if people think things are wild now and tumultuous, it's, this is going to be seen as the calm before the storm. And so, so there's gonna be nowhere to be in the middle. People are gonna have to choose a side. And those that have chosen evil, chosen the establishment, chosen the satanic world order, uh, are, are gonna get deeper and deeper into their devotion, their hysteria, their violence, trying to prop it up because deep down, uh, they're, they're scared and they have a

• 31:23Speaker 02

  form of Stockholm syndrome where they go to the abuser and think if they prostrate themselves before it, somehow they'll be given deliverance, when really they just need to repent and ask God to come in to their heart and cleanse them and, and then rise them up, uh, to be a soldier against this evil in this key time. But there'll be no room for anybody in the middle in the time we're in. And I'm, I'm talking to so many people that weren't even Christian or weren't even religious or weren't even spiritual, uh, who are saying it's, it's good versus evil. And I talked to so many people I know that are professionals and they, you know, Austin's full of a lot of, uh, you know, you know, particularly rich people and, uh, women, you know, just becoming demon possessed. I mean, literally saying that they're demon possessed and, and, and I'm hearing about all over the country, all over the world.

• 32:06Tucker Carlson?

  What is that? It's so noticeable and I, I'm so blessed to be surrounded by, mostly by women who are just the opposite or wonderful, but I, who are the rock. I mean, they're just the best. However, what you just described is just on display everywhere.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Well, and, and it's men too. You're about the soccer coach that just kidnapped a little kid and took him and killed him and threw him in the woods reportedly, allegedly. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's men too, but normally in history, it's men that do the really openly satanic stuff.

• 32:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, exactly.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  And, and women, you know, 2% of violent crime. Now it's, you know, they're, it's, it's because it's a crisis and women particularly, but men as well buy into whatever they see as the power structure. That's a survival mechanism generally.

• 32:45Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  But when the power structure is a death cult, by increment, they get deeper and deeper. I mean, you look at these leftists and, you know, them in the hundreds of photos where they took their shot and they, or they, or they had their abortion or, you know, they wanna kill Trump and you look at them.

• 33:00Tucker Carlson?

  Or they're worshiping death in some way.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Absolutely. You could see it. They all look super unhealthy. They look totally insane in the eyes. They look like Charlie Manson. And so, so it's, it's, I've seen more and more love in people's eyes.

• 33:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  More spiritual connection to God, uh, more and more of that quiet place of just serenity in people. And then I'm seeing more and more of the satanic energy. So it's, it's really a parting of the sea.

• 33:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yes. So to just linger on the first observation that you're seeing more of the serenity, the peace from God in people, that is including people in your orbit, people you know personally.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Yes. But it's very paradoxical. I'm seeing just godliness, peace, understanding.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  And then I'm seeing confusion and hysteria. And I mean, what we're seeing is evil writhing around, trying to take us with it. It, it, it gets sense that humanity's waking up and that all of its carefully laid plans to keep us in a trance, keep us asleep is, is, is, is burning away.

• 34:04Tucker Carlson?

  Do you, is there any way to predict, well, I'll just say my view, which is I, I've been really shocked by people on both sides. There are people who seem totally seized by hysteria and rage and hate and the desire to commit violence. I never expected they would be that. And then there are other people who I'm equally shocked to see filled with the kind of serenity you're describing, who are filled with love and understanding. And I, I couldn't have predicted who those people are in some cases. Do you feel that?

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I, I mean, I've always had a lot of Berserker energy and

• 34:43Tucker Carlson?

  True.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  And, you know, in the fight, but it was always focused and, and, and I wouldn't say it was demonic, but it was, you know, of the flesh, but also had a big connection to God. Now more and more, uh, I'm just have serenity, focus, clarity, and I'm more effective at breaking things down, not acting like a Tasmanian devil. And so in my own life, I'm seeing more and more of that serenity, uh, just really, really intense the last few weeks. Um, and I'll pick up on that being around you and your crew and, you know, folks here in, in, uh, this little hamlet we're in. And then it really does make you feel sorry for people that serve evil. I mean, they torture us and they attack us and they want to bully us and.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  But at the end of the day, you actually realize that's on them. It is so sad that they live like this.

• 35:32Tucker Carlson?

  They're being destroyed too. They're being destroyed too. That's like one of the main insights I've had in the past five years. I come to things really slowly because I'm not a genius. But I always kind of felt hate toward the destroyers in our, in any society, I hate destruction. I like building and creation and, but the destroyers always were, I felt my enemies. In my whole life, I felt this and then it was only the last couple of years I realized they're being destroyed also. Like they are suffering. They're not getting out of this unscathed. Like they think that they're getting power or whatever they, money, whatever they think they're getting. Um, but in, but they're like in agony.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Well, a lot of them are cowards too. They think survival of the fittest is being as ruthless and mean as possible is what they have to do to win. And then when you no longer hate them, and I'm, because I was never driven by hate as my main force. It was just the old saying, you don't fight an enemy attacking your people because you hate them. You fight them because you love the people you're defending.

• 36:29Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  But still, I would always hear, no, no, forgive them, still fight them, still expose them. But, but, but, but really forgive them. That removes a spiritual connection that you have with them. And you see it when Christ says, you know, be kind and pray for those that persecute. It'll, it'll heap burning coals on their head. Stalkers, you know, down at the kind of a low level. I've learned like once I didn't care about a stalker and I've had plenty and you just forgive them. They just freak out and go away. When they're getting to you, they're enjoying that energy. So you still fight them with more energy than ever, but you do it from a position of just removing a damaged, collapsed, you know, poor victim of the devil. Uh, that you have a responsibility to protect yourself and your family from, but you don't give them

• 37:14Speaker 02

  the energy of being angry back at them and seeing them as powerful because they're not, they're pawns. And these people that are influenced by satanic energy, by literal spiritual forces, demons, they are the slaves. And when they're not out doing evil and persecuting people, they don't even feel like they're alive and they're desperate and they're scared. And, and, and they're lost and then they get driven forward. You buy this dark forest to to like it'll be all right. Once you just go out and once you take these people out, you know, it's the good people that are making you feel bad. It's it's them destroy them, then you'll have peace. And and that's the deeper understanding I've had of how this satanic system works.

• 37:53Tucker Carlson?

  So clearly true. And if you ask if there's anyone that you've really like focused on, I don't know, George Soros or Larry Fink. I mean, just the other day I was talking to someone who knows Larry Fink really well. And I was saying, I think Larry Fink is like, I don't know, I've never met Larry Fink, but boy, he's responsible for a lot of suffering from my perspective. And, you know, this person said, there's no one more unhappy than Larry Fink, like nobody. And I was just with him in a car, he was like screaming at someone on the phone. This guy's made billions of dollars and personally tormented. And I know a bunch of people, because I know a lot of the of the people involved in things that I think are really evil. And there's not a happy one among them, not one.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  And and beyond the fact that he's got billions, he's in control of more than anybody. You know, we're always hearing Elon Musk, which is kind of a world. Well, he's a guy that has been good at keeping the companies under his control. So he independently is the most powerful person, corporate, science, communications, Titan. But then they spin it like, oh, he's the establishment. No, Trump, as you know, has a very small orbit of independent billionaires that are defending him because they want to stabilize civilization for everybody's good. But when you look at the international power and the largess, it's been against Trump. More and more, they realize they're losing because the people are with Trump. And we were just talking last night, I hope you would repeat that.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Because you were asking me with some folks who were talking to about what my view is basically on the geopolitical new landscape. And I laid my my view, you said, no, I think that's dead on. And then you said, basically, if you feel like repeating it, that that We need to sell it very clearly, you're on this team or you're on that team, because it really is Team ChaiCom, EU globalist, New World Order, that's, that's what's left. You know, the UK don't trust them who runs it, but they're trying to come in under a US alliance. And America and the world needs to understand, there's a new international system forming, the old one fell, and we better decide what this new system's gonna look like and who's gonna be in charge of it, because that's the way it is.

• 39:55Tucker Carlson?

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• 42:18Tucker Carlson?

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• 43:22Tucker Carlson?

  That's joyandblokes.com/tucker. Use the code TUCKER. 50% off labs, 20% off supplements. Joy and Blokes. Get your edge back. Yeah, and you hope that the, you know, questions like that are almost never resolved without big wars. Unfortunately, you can't think of too many examples or really any in history where they, you know, have just sort of evolved gracefully. It's a lot of people die and that's, you know, the point. You know, Rome falls in the fifth century, new system or whatever. And I really hope that we can escape that and I'm very opposed to violence and war. So I, um, you know, I think we should all be working toward that, but it's, but it's the big things that matter and you have the rise of the superpower in the East.

• 44:07Tucker Carlson?

  And that's the main factor, the moment that we live in is that the West is falling. I think it's been undermined from within by people like Larry Fink and many, many others. And, um, but it's being replaced by this, by this, by this threat from the East. And I don't hate the Chinese at all. I think they're acting in what they think is their best interest. They're not Christian. They hate Christianity. Um, so they've got a totally different worldview and I'm not mad at them about it, but I think we should be honest about what it is. Right? It's not, we're not going to have like, you know, the United States and Russia and Iran and Malaysia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, China is all sort of acting in their own spheres. That's not the way it works.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  And, and as you said last night, all these countries want to be on Team America.

• 44:50Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  And for people that don't know this, I'm surprised, I mean, Trump knows, understands that you did, but this needs to be everywhere. The, the globalists went in the eighties, nineties, they made a deal with Communist China. You get the manufacturing rare earth minerals, but you don't expand your military into the South China Sea. Well, they started 20 years ago, expanding everywhere. And then it took Obama till about 14 years ago to figure that out. We had the Asia pivot, but, but by then it was too late. They'd infiltrated Congress. They were financing all this destroy America woke-ism and bragging about it. And then people like Bill Gates and others continue to be totally aligned with China.

• 45:26Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's right.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  And the CFR saying America's over and you know, Larry Fink making jokes about it just three or four years ago. Ha, ha, ha, you know, five years ago, Trump thinks he'll bring America back. Ha, ha, he hasn't seen China. I mean, very arrogant. And now that China's even double crossing the globalists and saying, we don't even need you. And Xi Jinping is like, we're going to pay people to have kids. We're not doing your one child policy more. They're breaking with the transhumanist, you know, angle, but, but using the control grid, the cashless society, social credit score that the West helped them set up to now project that around the world. And so the globalists are being destroyed by their own Frankenstein monster. And then the EU has decided to ally with China. And again, the UK is at least on the surface acting like, no, they want to be in a, you

• 46:10Speaker 02

  know, new Anglophile alliance with the quote, you know, US empire. And again, the US has a limited window.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  To get everybody on board with us and then our alliance easily with, you know, the key countries in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, Central among it, and some other alliances, and then obviously an open economic alliance with Russia who wants an economic alliance and has more resources than any country in the world. I mean, that is the real chessboard, and that's why the left and the globalists want to drive America and Russia apart because geographically and also militarily and then also scientifically and then just raw material.

• 46:50Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  That is the obvious.

• 46:52Tucker Carlson?

  If you're, if you're, if you believe Russia's our greatest enemy, if you are working full-time to divide the United States from Russia, you are acting against the interests of the United States. You hate the United States, you hate the West, you want to see it fall. They hate Russia because it's a white Christian country, that's a fact. Why Russia? Um, in all of this, once you take three steps back, makes perfect sense. Like, we have a lot of people in our country working actively for the destruction of the West, of Christian civilization. So, that's just a fact.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Because it stands in the way of their-

• 47:23Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, they don't, you know, people don't like it when you say that, but they don't like it when you say it because it's absolutely true. And the farther you get from the United States, that's one of the great benefits of travel, the more obvious it is. Like, you can't, you don't know you're married to an alcoholic until you go on vacation without that person. You're like, oh shit, I'm married to an alcoholic. Like, you can't see any of this when you're in the middle of it, but when you leave, it's like, oh my gosh. Um, so, okay, I just want to go back a step. So, you have made reference a couple of times to the rise in violence, the acceptance of violence, which is of course the, you know, the purest distillation of evil in my opinion, most obvious for sure. And there are signs that it's, you know, we're entering a violent stage. I pray that we're not, but it feels

• 48:06Tucker Carlson?

  like we are. You just had a longtime employee assassinated. I don't know the extent to which you want to talk about that, but what was that? Is it a harbinger of things to come?

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Well, a month ago, Jamie White, a great reporter, great guy, we were working up there Sunday night till about nine o'clock. I left, he went home, and then he got shot through the carotid artery, one shot through his neck, and then out the back, and then he bled to death. By the time I got to the hospital, about 15 minutes later, the police got there very quick.

• 48:31Tucker Carlson?

  How old was he?

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Uh, he was thirty-six.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  And he was on the Ukraine hit list along with myself and you and a bunch of other

• 48:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  People and everybody getting the SWAT calls, the SWAT teams sitting in their houses and their families has been on that list as well.

• 48:47Tucker Carlson?

  Which is basically everyone you know.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yes. And then, of course, you have Ukraine tortured American journalist Gonzalez O'Leary to death and then celebrated that. And so, and, and, and, of course, we have the, the, the would be assassin down in Mar-a-Lago, who was a big leftist, connected to all these intelligence agencies, recruiting hundreds of fighters for Ukraine, an American, then he comes back and tries to kill Trump. So I think, I mean, you've seen Alexander Dugin's daughter blown up in front of him in 2022.

• 49:22Tucker Carlson?

  In Moscow by the Ukrainians.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  In Moscow.

• 49:24Tucker Carlson?

  Murdering a guy's daughter applauded by an apple bomb and all the rest of the ghouls in the United States effectively because they don't like Alexander Dugin's ideas. So it's okay to murder his daughter with the.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Well, that's the new, I mean, that's.

• 49:37Tucker Carlson?

  Clearly the help of US intel agencies. I mean, let's stop lying about it, right?

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I mean, I said three plus years ago when the war started, I said, the US is running all the targeting.

• 49:46Tucker Carlson?

  Of course they are.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  With the weapons. That's just a fact. And with their soldiers on the ground, as I know, some of the people whose sons are there, when it all started, were really nervous. They didn't give me details. They're like, our sons are there, special operations. And there's been a lot of.

• 49:58Tucker Carlson?

  You, US military personnel fighting Russia in Ukraine.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I mean, I'm on record three years ago saying that. And then two weeks ago, New York Times, the US has been running the war and been there the whole time. And oh, get a Pulitzer Prize. So that, that was all known. And so now Trump is trying to rightfully end it. I mean, people that don't know, I know your audience knows, but we have Victoria Nuland, we have. Soros back when he can still talk on Fareed Sarkari on CNN saying, oh yeah, we went there with State Department money and overthrew their government 15 years ago. We did it again and we're finally going to break up Russia and I'm going to be the czar of Russia. Five weeks ago, they had the deputy head of the unelected EU commission say, oh, we're going to keep this war going for decades and we're going to bankrupt Russia with it

• 50:46Speaker 02

  and we're going to break Russia in five parts. So they're on the news saying, we want peace, we want love. Oh no, Ukraine will never join NATO, which is why Putin went in and the West is being brought in on to his border. And then separately, Zelensky's always no idea when NATO. And, and, and so again, the West started this war. Imagine if Russia-

• 51:06Tucker Carlson?

  I'm aware, yeah.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  I know you know more better than anybody, probably.

• 51:09Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's just not.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  Has its circle.

• 51:11Tucker Carlson?

  I watched it.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  I mean, any American journalist, you've been everywhere, you've documented it. And it's just, we are starting the fight. These crazies are dragging us in to what's really already World War III conventionally, that every escalation moves us closer to nuclear war, the doomsday clock with the atomic energy scientists, you know, it was the closest ever been. And so this is really fundamental. And so any concern I have about being sued or lawfared or attacked doesn't even hit my psychological, spiritual, mental radar, because the big threat is so big of what these megalomaniacs are doing.

• 51:46Tucker Carlson?

  So one thing I don't, one fact I don't think has penetrated the brains of policymakers in Washington is that we just lost a war with Russia. The US was running that war, the US military, the Pentagon, State Department, CIA, running the war against Russia. It was not, it was never about Ukraine. No one in Washington cares about Ukraine or the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men destroyed. The fact will be populated by third worlders. I mean, Ukraine, we just eliminated Ukraine. Nobody cares. This was a war against Russia. They hate Russia for a lot of reasons, mostly spiritual. But we've lost. And my concern is because nobody will say that out loud that we're overstating our power. And in the same way that you sometimes see like divorced 60 year old guys hitting on

• 52:30Tucker Carlson?

  young women and don't realize that a young women think this is like absurd. You're like an old man. Why? You really think I'm gonna sleep with you? But the 60 year old guy hasn't readjusted to the reality of his present condition. He still thinks he's 25. Did you see what I'm saying? And he humiliates himself. That can happen at the level of nations where you know, you think you can affect outcomes that you actually don't have the power to bring about. And so that's called hubris. And that's how empires get destroyed and populations vaporized. And I'm really afraid of that. Like, why can't we should know that we were not able to win a conventional war against Russia. Period. So like, what does that say about our power? And maybe we should readjust our expectations a little bit. I don't want that to be true.

• 53:15Tucker Carlson?

  By the way, I want I'm reading for I'm American. I'm not leaving. My family's buried here. But like, don't you think that we run the risk of thinking we're capable of things that we're not capable of doing?

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Well, it's an example Hillary had a lot of fraud baked in, but Trump won in such a landslide, he beat her. And then a lot of Republicans and conservatives and populists thought Trump was gonna win for sure. So we'd have as big a turnout as they were able to steal 2020. But there was such a giant landslide this time, it overrode the mail in ballots, you have the dead people, the illegal aliens voting, all of that, they ran out of bullets. But that's a perfect example of how the Democrats were sure they were gonna win in November last year. And they were sure they were gonna win in November in 2016, and they didn't. So they had this incredible hubris, and this incredible arrogance. And so many of them are actually militarily ignorant themselves.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  They just put on this big imperious act. And of course, there's the clip of Sean Penn saying, well, I don't think nuclear weapons should be off the table. We shouldn't be afraid to use them because that gives Russia an advantage. Well, it's called mutually assured destruction for a reason, because anybody that uses them is insane. So.

• 54:28Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they got in the middle of the war. This just come out the other day. The Pentagon wrote an assessment saying that they calculated that if we gave weapons to Ukraine that allowed the Ukrainian military or our military using Ukraine as a proxy to hit targets within Russia, they judged the likelihood of a nuclear exchange at 50%. And they did it anyway. At that point, like you should be in prison for the criminally insane.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Well, that's right. If Russia moved.

• 54:55Tucker Carlson?

  You're risking nuclear war? Like, you should be locked up? I don't underst- like, that's the- I couldn't even believe that. I mean, I, of course, intuitively knew that.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  And say that again. It's not a rub. That's important to say again for people.

• 55:06Tucker Carlson?

  That the Pentagon, under Joe Biden, assessed, like, because they assess the likelihood of everything, or they guess, you know, they guess, they sort of work out how they think things will progress. But in every scenario globally, they do this. This is what they do at the Pentagon. And they assess that if we gave certain weapons, weapons that allowed the Ukrainians to strike targets within Russia, if we did that, which we did, the chance of a nuclear exchange, nuclear holocaust that killed everybody on Earth, would be 50%. And they did it anyway. So imagine the brain, imagine the evil. Like, you would have to be controlled by, like, supernatural forces to do so. I think there's a 50% chance every person on Earth could be killed in a nuclear exchange, but I'm doing it anyway? Like, why aren't you- how are you still walking free? I'm serious.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  No, and I'm glad you brought that assessment up because I've really tried to be able to focus on that, and I agree with that assessment. I mean, let's boil that down. Imagine if Russia had the equivalent of attackams and storm shadows in Canada, in Mexico, on our border, that they can fire above the trees that can't be shot down, that are nuclear capable. And Putin said this, he said, "If you shoot a few missiles, once it's started, we'll just shoot them down." But if we see a large aerospace attack with a whole bunch of these, we have to believe it is a first strike to take out our nuclear deterrent. And so when we see a large signature of a large aerospace attack,

• 56:31Speaker 02

  be it cruise missiles, be it glide bombs, be it a mix of aircraft, or all of them, we will do a total commitment. And then Russia and TV said, "Here's the government

• 56:42Speaker 02

  scenario," and it showed nukes hitting all the NATO countries and submarines, you know, hitting on from there. And we're talking about world destroyed in 30 minutes, folks, for sure. Submarines off our coast, two minutes, New York's gone. You know, five minutes, Dallas is gone. This is real. What would happen if Russia was bombing DC with conventional?

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Bombs with large heavy cruise missiles that that

• 57:12Tucker Carlson?

  They're droning the capital as the US did through the Ukrainians. They droned the Kremlin.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  You were there once when you saw one blow up?

• 57:18Tucker Carlson?

  I was there. I was actually driving by when I was over there last winter to interview Putin. I was driving by the Kremlin, just like on the street in downtown Moscow, smoke coming out of the top of of the Kremlin. And so I called the like the guy at the press office who I was dealing with for to set the Putin interview from the vehicle. And I was like, I think your Kremlin's on fire. And he's like, oh, no, no, no, it's not. I was like, I'm right there. I'm looking at it. Russians never want to admit that they have been unable to defend their capital city. So they, you know, a lot of murder has taken place by the Ukrainians of Russians in and of attempted murder of Americans, by the way.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  And just think about the provocation here.

• 57:55Tucker Carlson?

  And but the Russians in every case are like, oh, that's not happening. They don't want to admit it because for a bunch of reasons, but it would force them to respond. But anyway, I called up, I think you guys just got droned. No, no, didn't happen. But it did happen. I saw it. I personally saw it. So like, there's been a ton of that stuff. What would we do if the Russians droned the US Capitol or the White House? That's so freaking crazy. I can't believe that happened.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Russia knows it's a provocation. The globalists want to reset. Their financial system's going down. And they're willing to roll the dice and they think a nuclear war is survivable, as you know, as the Pentagon has said. So it's complete madness.

• 58:33Tucker Carlson?

  Nuclear war is not survivable. That's a fact.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 58:36Tucker Carlson?

  By the way, nuclear weapon explodes over a nuclear power plant? What happens? Anyone know?

• 58:39Speaker 02

  Massive meltdown that makes Fukushima look like a

• 58:41Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. And we have a lot of nuclear power plants around the world. So

• 58:44Speaker 02

  There's over 450 that we big that are big industrial, thousands of small ones. And when society breaks down, they all melt down in different ways, much worse than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined.

• 58:57Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  And it makes the whole surface of the earth that's mainline science unlivable for hundreds of millions of years.

• 59:02Tucker Carlson?

  I agree. And I know everyone's for nuclear power and it's like, obviously we need nuclear power. I, I don't, okay, I'm not against nuclear power in theory, but until someone can answer the question you just posed, like, what about that?

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Well, plus they're never run right. They always have scenarios where they're not going to leak. Basically, they all leak.

• 59:18Tucker Carlson?

  You see all these stupid concerns like, the answer is nuclear. You want more AI data centers, comma, which I don't.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  The answer is coal.

• 59:24Tucker Carlson?

  Obviously, but I don't understand why everyone, this is such a sidebar and I'll stop in one sentence, but like those of us who grew up in the seventies and eighties, remember that all the opponents' nuclear power were like, you know, furry armpit dumb people. And, you know, all the Greenpeace people. And so you're just like, oh, shut up. Nuclear is obviously the solution. Like, you just don't understand science. How can you be against climate change and also against nuclear power? I've said that myself, like 100 times on TV. But it's not about the spent fuel rods. What do we do with nuclear waste? That's easy. Put it in Yucca Mountain. It's about what if these things are untended? What if they're, you know, the subject of a conventional or nuclear attack?

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  And you look at all the mismanagement.

• 1:00:06Tucker Carlson?

  Massive vulnerability. Like, why doesn't anyone mention that? Before we put nuclear power plants all over my country, which I think a lot of people are psyched to do because they want to get rich from AI, like, they should answer the question. That's really freaking scary, no?

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Well, you have to also ask, why do they build so many here and in like Japan? The plants ride on fault lines. I mean, there's a real, we see a lot of ineptitude in industry and things. So you don't want to have things that have the potential to be so dangerous. And when coal creates carbon dioxide that plants breathe, and the earth used to have a lot higher carbon dioxide than it does now, and it makes plants live longer, yields are up, it will green the planet, all the studies show it. We're actually terraforming the earth to make it better. It's like God given when you actually look at the real studies and talk to the real climatologists and people, they'll tell you, no, no, no, it's great that we're bringing this old carbon back up and putting it back in the atmosphere.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  This is fabulous. More carbon is good. Carbon, carbon dioxide, oxygen, water and sunlight are the four ingredients of life on this planet. And the globalists created a way to tax and regulate one of the four pillars of life on this planet. It is good. Again, they're trying to convince us that cows methane is bad. You actually look at the carbon equation, it all turns right back into the gases. It came from, it's a good guess. But again, if the cows are bad, well, what else releases methane? We do. We're the carbon that they want to reduce. They want to teach us to hate ourselves, teach us not to have a life force. And their new religion is they will give us all these indulgences and all these flagellations and all these things we have to do to atone for how bad we are to

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  the priest class that is the big satanic green church.

• 1:01:48Tucker Carlson?

  So the threat of nuclear war overhangs any conflict with a country that has nuclear weapons, of course, you push someone far enough, you know, you don't know what could happen and it could result in the extinction of humanity. So that's like the main fact, that's why people want Iran not to have nukes, right? Obviously. So with that in mind, what do you make of the public, repeated public statements by a bunch of European leaders, particularly Starmer in the UK and, and the president of France, that they're ready to like, continue the war against Russia with their own feeble armies? Like what, that seems crazy to, what, what is that actually about?

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  And they've said that now they're sending their troops, that if they get killed, then that's direct war with NATO. They admit that the EU population wise is collapsing, those they've brought in, most of them, 80%, never even get jobs. That, all the different ministers, defense ministers, as you know, the last few years have said, our business model is a 20 year war. They think they can continue that and somehow bankrupt Russia and again, break it up into five parts. So they've made it existential for themselves, they've made it existential for Russia. And you go back to the Pentagon assessment that was public, that 15% chance that if we start bombing, and that's the West doing it, mainly the US, inside Russia, they would strike back with nukes. And then Putin clarifying, well, if we see a large launch, it could be a sneak attack with nukes. So we're gonna have to

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  go ahead and nuke you at that point. Please don't do that. So at least they limited, you know, to a two, two, four or five big cruise missile attacks a day and then, you know, maybe a hundred drones a day going into major cities and attacking their nuclear bases, their nuclear bomber bases. I mean, extreme provocation, testing the line and not playing Russian roulette where you have a six-shot revolver and you put one three fifty seven Magnum casing in, round in, but this is three out of six. And they're like, well, that's a safe bet. Let's roll the dice, spin the cylinder and then click it to our head every day. It just goes the fundamental insanity that you see escalating. I mean, if you go back to the

• 1:03:53Tucker Carlson?

  But actual, like actual insanity, not, you know, I don't know, will tariffs work? You know, whatever you could argue, but like risking nuclear war? I mean, that's so fucking crazy that I can hardly believe it's real.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  That's a good point. They say Trump saying our surrender to these one-sided trade deals, which is totally true and deindustrialized this and destroyed our morale and is a huge national security issue, that he's rolling the dice there. No, no, that would be rolling the dice.

• 1:04:19Tucker Carlson?

  Roll your dice with nuclear war? Again, I think you should be in prison for even having that. That's like the craziest thing I can imagine.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Well, remember Biden just two years ago said, we can't send F-16s and Abrams tanks because that escalates the threat ladder of the rank operation. That's World War Three, but they went ahead and did that. Then they went to the bombing inside. So I, the reason I went back to that, I'm glad you raised it is the EU is refusing to end the war. We're trying to drag us into it fully. They're arresting their political opposition, Kalina Drogescu in Romania, they're not letting him run in the new election.

• 1:04:50Tucker Carlson?

  He's an amazing man. I just talked to him.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 1:04:53Tucker Carlson?

  Day before yesterday.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  And then Marley Le Pen, that is super popular and had presidential polls. So they have a judge find her guilty of nothing and take her off the ballot. You have the State Department under Biden admittedly working in Brazil with Lula to take Bolsonaro off the ballot because he's popular and then indict him. And they're talking about doing it in Hungary. They're talking about doing it in Poland. They said if AFD won, which they almost did, that the EU Commission might cancel that election. So. The EU has really taken off the mask and people that don't know it was set up in 56 as a steel deal, tree of Rome, and they got the nations over time to sign away their sovereignty to it.

• 1:05:32Tucker Carlson?

  I remember.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  And an unelected commission with Vanderleihten, you know, up there running all of this. And she even came out, as you know, on Monday and said, well, Trump's blown up the international order. He's, he's defeated the new world order. And she said, okay, we're going to go ahead and agree, at least in principle, to what Trump is saying. And that's because the trade is completely one-sided. So again, Trump's move isn't just the perfect move. It's perfect in that it's the only moves we have left for us and for global stabilization. That's why anybody that cares about self-preservation for the whole planet should be fully behind Trump's policies that are very popular around the world and are seen as sane.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  And again, the world, this, this huge alliance of nations wants to join that team. And the good news is Trump's polls are the highest ever. I, I, I know the American people are understanding that and getting that. The concern is-

• 1:06:27Tucker Carlson?

  It is kind of crazy that his number, I mean, I'm getting, you know, because I live in a rich people world for part of the year. I know a lot of rich people and boy, they're really upset. And I share their instinctive concern about any chaos. My parents got divorced. I hate chaos, right? So I get that. But, but from my perspective, I'll just admit it, like on my phone, it's like, I voted for Trump. What the hell's going on? You know, and I get it. I'm not, you know, criticizing anyone. But then his numbers go up.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  Well, I like to-

• 1:06:55Tucker Carlson?

  It shows you that you can, even I, really make a big effort to like, live in different places, know different people, not be a captive of my surroundings, not just live among rich people with like dumb rich people attitudes. I really try to be bigger than that. And I always flatter myself that I succeed, but even I am like, I guess, kind of captive to that because then I see the numbers and I'm like, people really like this. His numbers went up after the tariffs. That's correct.

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:07:21Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Well, I like to talk to folks out there saying Trump is, is, is being a destabilizer. The globalist order was collapsing by their own corruption and mismanagement and their alliance with China being double crossed. And so that old order was already being collapsed by them. And, and Trump's coming in very pragmatically with a, a good, fair, freedom-based meritocracy, competition-based system. But, you know, two, two, two, two people that want to talk about destabilization, starting a war with Russia, total destabilization, dissolving the borders and all the human smuggling and the fentanyl. Total destabilization, in, in engaging in all this overspending and, and the country basically being bankrupt if we don't grow our way out of it. Total destabilization. And then wink, wink, the attempted assassinations of Trump.

• 1:08:07Speaker 02

  What do they think would have happened if Trump really would have gotten killed in Pennsylvania in July of last year, or a few months later in Florida? If, if you look at the scenarios there, they run from bad to worse. So the real destabilization.

• 1:08:20Tucker Carlson?

  And, and bad for the people behind it. Like clearly those assassinations were not lone gunmen. They were part of a much, much larger conspiracy. Obviously, everyone knows that. But those people behind those attempted murders would have been in bigger trouble had those murders succeeded. Attempted murders succeeded, correct?

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And if they, somebody's able to kill Trump now. People better hope he doesn't get struck by a bolt of lightning because the bad guys will get the blame. And that's why so many people that have kind of been on the fence, the establishment, but were working with the globalists, just because that was the system, are enthusiastically joining Trump and Elon. Because they understand that this is the only game in town for people that aren't delusional. But you have that megalomania.

• 1:09:05Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's so true. Yeah.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  You have that megalomania historically when elites. Have never lost before and are losing that they just continue to accelerate and intensify. And I know you've covered this. A lot of the people don't seem to know that in August of 2020, I mentioned it earlier, there was a big article in the Times with John Podesta covering a war game they just had that if Trump was able to win, they were going to have blue states succeed and blue cities succeed and then create civil unrest and civil war conditions. And then when they knew Trump was going to win because the poll numbers were so incredible, a few months before the last election last year, Raskin, Carville, Podesta, all of them said civil war conditions, we're going to need to have uprisings. Carville said that. Trump's coming to kill you. We got to rise up, Carville

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  said, and others. And they are clearly escalating with the Tesla attacks and the swatting attacks and the calls for violence, the 55% of liberal Democrats in a study want Trump killed. They are embracing, you know, real terrorism, real domestic terrorism, and that's building towards what I believe is in the cards, because you see the Democrat pundits and their operatives everywhere before the election and after it in the last 78 days or so, saying, once he got into office, Trump and Tom Homan are going to kill migrants. And when they do, there's going to be an uprising. And well, Trump's not going to go mow down people at an illegal alien demonstration. You also have them saying, Trump supporters

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  are going to attack black people. Or where would black people be alone in big numbers? Church, university? Trump supporters are going to kill black people. And we know a lot of the globalist groups have been funding white supremacist groups and domestic terror groups and basically run them historically. So the last piece with all the pre-programming I've seen is that to have these uprisers, they're going to need something much bigger than George Floyd, much bigger than Jesse Smollett. And so I am predicting on the current trajectory of what they were game before and what they said, the final piece they need for this destabilization that they'll label a race-based civil war that will then crash the markets and be used, kind of like the predictive programming in the movie that came out last year, Civil War, to have a bunch of states and the main military join

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  them in a military operation to remove Trump when the Trumpian figure in the movie is killed, you know, and executed inside the inside the Oval Office. And so that's their dream. That's their backup plan. And you have the two camps. One camp is kind of the Chuckie Schumer, completely evil, but isn't particularly publicly pushing that, though he had his famous whirlwind, you know, we're coming after you speech.

• 1:11:44Tucker Carlson?

  But he's an old man.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Absolutely. So you have the Soros wing with Alexander Soros that more and more is in charge and is really making a run at escalating domestic unrest and terrorism, leading into some triggering event, starting, things are aligning for this summer. And I know that folks at the government, their patriots are aware of that, but I think that the spokespersons and others need to really get ahead of all those calls for violence and not just repudiate it, but talk about the Democrat leadership and their talking heads that are pushing it. I mean, we've seen Colbert just last week say, deep state, please, you know, do something, stop Trump. And so that's where we are.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  So, so, so they want to expand war to try to take control of the agenda. They're, they've been hyping a new virus being released to try to stop Trump's reboot of our economy because they think that would stop this populist revolution. In Europe, it's arresting their political opposition and, you know, stopping elections. And they also have Europe trying to sue Elon Musk and billion dollar fines, trying to shut him down like we saw with Brazil. So those are the different strategies. They're also doing big put options and naked shorts, trying to crash the market and then blaming Trump's tariffs on that. So it's economic terrorism, the buildup of domestic terrorism, the false flags that can be used, a nuclear false flag to get us into direct war with Russia, a new viral release.

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  Those are the things they've got set up, ready to go, and that they've said before they would use to maintain control.

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• 1:15:42Tucker Carlson?

  Thing in countries that descended into darkness that happens is speech is controlled. And there are political police who put people who speak out against the regime in jail. And that's happening in Brazil, as you know, it's happening in the UK, it's happening in Germany.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  They're trying it in Canada.

• 1:15:59Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's definitely happening in Canada. And these were formerly free countries in Australia. And so the one place that it isn't going to happen right now is the United States because of the First Amendment. So how do you end First Amendment protections? Will you pick off people like you, which they've been trying to do for over a decade? And, you know, I happen to be, as I've told you many times in private, I would happen to be on a fishing trip when I worked at Fox, the night that you were taken off the air. And I thought it was like one of the greatest threats of speech in the United States I'd ever seen. I wasn't there and Fox News like prevented my co, my fill-in host from defending you because Alex Jones is bad. Okay. That's when I realized they were in on it. But, um, but they need to end speech in the United States. They need to shut down X, they have to.

• 1:16:43Tucker Carlson?

  And my guess is, and I hope I'm wrong, that there's, there is like legitimate hate and extremism on social media, you know, to the point where it makes me uncomfortable. I'm thinking that maybe a lot of that is manufactured, actually. And that if there is a mass shooting, and God forbid, but if there is a mass shooting of the people who've been targeted for hate on, actual hate, that's true, on social media, that that will be used as a pretext to shut it down.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And, and.

• 1:17:14Tucker Carlson?

  Has this occurred to you?

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:16Tucker Carlson?

  Because I see people on, on social media who I know for a fact, or I think I know, are being funded by the very people they're attacking. It's like, what? Including one of the biggest voices, like I know that that's true. And so like, what is this? And it's clearly.

• 1:17:36Tucker Carlson?

  Preparatory to some sort of event that will shut down, a violent event that will be used as a pretext to shut down free speech. Am I being paranoid?

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  No, I, I, that's, that's where all the foundations been laid, the, actually the superstructure has been built.

• 1:17:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  They're just putting the finishing touches on it. And, and so in a way it's fortuitous that I'm here today because you were here, I was talking to my lawyer right before we started taping. We got some really big news that in Connecticut, the Supreme Court said, we're not even hearing your appeal now because it was so strong, the kangaroo show trial that I was, went through there a few years ago, where the judge had already found me guilty, wouldn't let it-

• 1:18:12Tucker Carlson?

  Guilty of what? Of having an unauthorized opinion, of being mean or whatever? Those are all legal under the US Constitution. Like, you cannot be punished for giving your opinion. I don't care how ugly other people think it is. And, and you've contested whether you even gave that opinion, but it doesn't, doesn't matter. Under our system, you're allowed to say what you think, period.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  Well, you're right, especially-

• 1:18:31Tucker Carlson?

  That's what the Bill of Rights is.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  And we have a Supreme Court rulings, you know, with the New York Times Sullivan.

• 1:18:36Tucker Carlson?

  This is insane.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  And, and-

• 1:18:38Tucker Carlson?

  Brandenburg versus Ohio. You have a right to your opinion.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  And, and what they did was, with all these PR firms and massive thousands of articles sometimes a month and hundreds of TV programs a year, they built a straw man, once I was censored off the internet in the last seven years, still on my website, infowars.com, still on some talk radio, but it was the verboten thing. People had to go, you know, get underground. They could then build a straw man of things I had supposedly done, I never did. And then when I wasn't defended, other than, than people like you, it set the precedent to then come after everybody else, including President Trump, when he was taken off everything on January 6th. So people couldn't hear him saying, be peaceful, before, during, and after.

• 1:19:16Tucker Carlson?

  I defended black nationalists who hate whites. Obviously don't agree with them. I am white. So are my kids. Like, I reject their program. But they were indicted for giving their opinions. And like, we cannot allow that. And now the ACLU has just completely captured, it's like a tranny organization, nothing to do with free speech. Like, where are the people who will stand up for the foundational right that separates a free man from a slave, which is the right to say what you think? And why were they also, may they bask in shame for not defending you? I mean that.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  Well, I have a major update. It's, in the last seven years of them suing me and this whole saga, we now have basically all the pieces of exactly what happened. I told you some about it last night. It would take a few minutes, but I could just give people a basic summation of what's happened.

• 1:20:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, please.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  But first, just an example of free speech. In Texas, there's famous cases where they take people's small children because the school secretly convinces them with grant money. They get paid for it, public and private. That a little boy's really a girl, a little girl's really a boy. They, then the parents find out the school's been putting them in a database, giving them a social worker, sending them to special school times with peer pressure of other kids that have been put in the cult for sterilization, transhumanism. And then they take the person's child, saying it's abuse when you argue, you know, my son is really a boy, not a girl. Well, now Colorado in the House, as you know, just passed the bill, it's in the Senate, and they allowed no debate. Saying that if a parent finds out their kid is being brainwashed and says, no, my, my son is a boy, my girl's a girl.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  That is abuse and they're going to officially take your child. Other states have passed laws like Oregon and Washington. So you talk about free speech, this is beyond that. This is parental rights. This is everything now say, parents can't argue and say to the state that has determined that, that, that, that your child's another sex. And then in places like New Jersey and other states, the hospital systems now have on the form when your child's born dozens of things transgender, all, all, all these other names, gender queer, all, all these things where the parents pick at birth what the baby's going to be and say this. So, so if the state wants to come and say they're in other sex, that's okay.

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  If parents don't like it, their kid gets taken to these areas. That's where this is going. It's already happening. But if the parents want to opt in, they can decide for their child. So as long as you decide that we're going to chemically and then medically sterilize surgically this, this poor little person that's being put into this death cult, then it's okay. The only thing you're not allowed to say is no, I say no to this designation. So that's where Alex Jones having his speech massively attacked goes. So. It's a long story, but here's the summation. I didn't understand, even though I know a lot of things about politics in the world. I didn't understand how PR firms work, how law firms work, how the deep state was operating. And they later admitted even on MSNBC that a few years ago, oh, we've been successful with Alex Jones.

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  Next, we're going to do it with people like Tucker Carlson. And then they mentioned you. So Hillary knows she's in trouble. Two months before the election, 2016, she does a 20-plus million dollar ad buy, talking about me and twisting what I had said about that event in Connecticut, that mass shooting. And then the ad, she says Alex Jones is Trump's brain. This is the guy that Trump says is an amazing person. We'll be talking a lot. You're a great guy. And they show that clip of Trump on my show saying that. So they created a demonized version of me to attack Trump. Then that made me this huge demon of the left even more. Then for two years, articles every day, sometimes dozens a day, TV shows, programs, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, every channel, foreign news, Tokyo news, Russian news.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  It was just, it was, it was being pushed over. Alex Jones is bullying kids, parents of dead kids. Alex Jones is sending people to pee on graves. None of that ever even happened, much less me. And then they sue me and then they want all this discovery. And they say, who do you work for? Who's telling you what's doing the Republicans in all these depositions? Of course, it wasn't there. So they hold me in default for saying I didn't give them my secret plan to get rich off these people that I barely ever even talked about. They put 22 minutes of evidence in the Texas show trial, or I was found guilty by the judge, and the Connecticut show trial that were only a month apart in 2022, in the fall. So I go in, HBO is producing it, cameras, putting makeup on the judges. I'm given 20-plus things I can't talk about. My lawyers are sanctioned if they try to raise that.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Well, where did Alex Jones say this? Where did he do this? No evidence could be showed to counter them. They could just say whatever they wanted to. And then they have a billion and a half dollar judgment in Connecticut. They have a $50 million judgment total, or $49 million in Texas. Because I'm already found guilty, then the judge tells them to say how guilty I am. They lie and totally exaggerate all the money I have, say I got it from these people with no evidence. And so I knew I was being railroaded for my speech. They said in the Connecticut trial and in the Texas show trial and on the courthouse steps, we don't want money for Mr. Jones. We want to shut him down. They said that in court filings. So I go into bankruptcy because I'm out of money personally. Never had all this money. They said, not even a fraction of it. And so for three years I'm in bankruptcy and they keep going and say, we don't want money.

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  We want him closed. The judge keeps saying, no, you have to actually, you know, do a settlement with him or we have to sell him for wars.

• 1:24:35Tucker Carlson?

  This is all because you said something that other people said they were offended by?

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  Yes, but, but, but, but.

• 1:24:40Tucker Carlson?

  How, how can you, I don't understand in a free country, how other people being offended by what you say can have you destroyed by the state?

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Well, well, it's more than that. They said, I sent people to their houses. I peed on graves. All this stuff that nobody did.

• 1:24:58Tucker Carlson?

  Why weren't you arrested? You can't pee on a grave. Why weren't you arrested?

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  I've never been to Connecticut.

• 1:25:01Tucker Carlson?

  Why weren't you arrested for people in the grave?

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  Out of the people that sued me, I only said the name of one of the people ever.

• 1:25:06Tucker Carlson?

  If you commit a crime, you should be criminally charged for it and the state has to prove that you did it. At which point you're convicted and punished. If the state accuses you of something, but doesn't charge you with it, they're fucking liars. Like by definition, they, they don't, that's not on the list of options that they can just discredit you, attack your character, destroy you. No, no, the state has one option. If you committed a crime, they charge you with the crime and they prove you did the crime. It's that simple.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  That's right. And I never got investigated for stalking or anything because I did nothing.

• 1:25:34Tucker Carlson?

  For any crime?

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  So, so, so, so here's where it gets crazy. Here's what we've learned since they had the show trials.

• 1:25:43Tucker Carlson?

  I noticed none of the libertarians defended you either. Where was the Reason Foundation and Cato and all these supposedly freedom minded nonprofits who are just freaking liars? Like none of them defended you that I know of.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  Bare minimum, they were bought off or they wanted to keep their head down. So, so, so, so here's what we learned. The Democratic Party and the Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA, this has come out in court, come out in documents now. And we've got it all published at Infowars. They could be shut down literally in days now. And we're finally up to the wire today with this big ruling. But it's, the truth's out there, but they don't want you to know it. So they come after me to demonize Trump, then they run ads on Facebook and Twitter and everywhere. For the two years before they sue me, 2017, 2018, saying I'm attacking him, saying I'm coming after him, using my name to raise money. Okay. And it turns out hundreds of millions using my name. This has come out. Saying I'm victimizing them and then never showing what I supposedly did. Just this man's hurting us. Help us, help us.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Then I was already taken off the internet after that for other reasons that they cooked up. They had.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Lester Holt get up on TV and say Alex Jones called for people to get battle rifles and go attack Democrats. No, I talked about them Antifa attacking your house and how they were planning to attack more people's houses. And I said, none of us are going to be violent. But I said, everybody needs to have their battle rifle ready or their shotgun in their home if the left comes to kill you.

• 1:27:01Tucker Carlson?

  Well, as someone whose house was attacked by Antifa, I agree completely.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  But, but, but then Holt never showed what I supposedly said.

• 1:27:07Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  He just said straight up. Okay, so I wasn't even taken off internet for Sandy Hook because I wasn't even known for that. Okay, barely ever talked about it. Then they sue me, then they run more PR, then they raise more money off of me. And then when they didn't find anything in their, all their discoveries, there was nothing that I did. Then they have the judges both find me in default, coordinate for both trials to be held in a month and a half period in late 2022. And then right after they win, the jury's fine for all this money. They come back and they say, that's not enough, Your Honor, we want 2.75 trillion. That's the GDP of India. People don't believe that. Just

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  type in Alex Jones, Sandy Hook, 2.75 trillion. And, and so the judge said, no, you just get 1.5.

• 1:27:54Tucker Carlson?

  In retrospect, did you ever think when, when they awarded judgment against you equivalent to the GDP of India, did you ever think like, maybe I should keep my visions to myself and not like next time I see 9/11 coming, I just shouldn't say anything because people who predict the future accurately are always punished for it?

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  I think that's, I mean, yeah, I mean, well, what I realized was I've got something important to say, so I better say it even louder because the evil wants this shut down. But just to finish the key part, I'm telling you.

• 1:28:21Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, sorry.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:28:22Tucker Carlson?

  It's making me upset hearing this.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I'm saying I haven't gotten to the big stuff. I'm just giving people the background.

• 1:28:26Tucker Carlson?

  This is not the country I grew up in at all. Just saying that. Sorry.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Well, no, no, you're right. Thank you for the platform. No, thank you, Tucker. And I told you all this last night. It took 30 minutes. Let me just try to condense it. So I know they're trying to demonize me to get at Trump. I know they're trying to set the precedent to shut down everybody else. And once I'm demonized, they think nobody will defend me. And that sets the precedent. They admitted all that. Then when they win the show trial, it was already fixed, these PR firms come out of New York, Connecticut and go, we've been doing this for years. We exposed Jones. We did this. We helped get this big win. Blah, blah, blah. Then.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  This undercover video comes out that is in a predator sexting trolling operation in DC, which the guy was never implicated in, but that's how he got caught up with the troll, trolling operation. This oblevis person, CIA and FBI, it's confirmed, says, well, we investigated Alex Jones for years at the FBI, then he went on to CIA, that's where he's currently. And he said, we couldn't find anything criminal on him. So we went to the Sandy Hook people with law firms that we developed this plan with this narrative to take him down. And now we're in the process of shutting him down. And the person says, well, are you still trying to put him in prison? No, we've just destroyed his name and destroyed who he is. You know, it's all on video.

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  It's online. Just type in FBI CIA agent, you know, admits to running Sandy Hook framed job of Alex Jones.

• 1:29:51Tucker Carlson?

  We recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is enjoy an ALP.

• 1:30:05Tucker Carlson?

  Just to kind of refresh our baseline assumptions here, is the CIA allowed to destroy people for in the United States for criticizing?

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  No, it's illegal.

• 1:30:14Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it's illegal. Okay.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  Of course, yeah, begging the question, absolutely. So, so then, then we have that. But then I go, wait a minute. At the trial last year, they have this FBI agent, it was the chief counsel, who on the stand, they say it to hide it in plain view, the Democrat Party law firm, talked to him for like a day. And he goes, so you went and got the suit against Mr. Jones? Yes, I went to your, your law firm, Mr. Koskoff, and I, and I went to the families, you know, and I, I organized him to do this. So they're hiding in plain view, the chief counsel of Connecticut, that I didn't even pick up on at the time. Why is he on the stand? I'm sitting there talking about how he went and set this up and did this to me. Then later, we have oblevis talking about years ago, we criminally investigated him for a decade. We couldn't find anything. So we went

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  and did this sibly. So now that's two of them admitting it on the stand and undercover video. Now this is where it gets wild. Then, three days after Trump's in office, we done a FOIA request two years ago for my FBI file. We done it many times. They never responded back. Soon as Trump gets in, they send us a disc in the mail. I got a call from the FBI saying, hey, be sure you watch your mail.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  And they send me a disk of our foyer and it was 196 files, but it was just the cover sheets. They said the rest is national security, but it said Alex Jones, top national security threat, Obama administration ordered me to be a level three terror national security threat in 2013. I had Kyle Seraphin on who knows how to read the code documents on the dozens of pages I got that were attached. He said probably to thousands, but 196 other investigation packets. And we're talking weekly and monthly meetings out of the Boston field office and Trump didn't learn about this as first admin. So we learned this was going on until I was sent this by the new FBI director, okay, or the new FBI. And it's just the cover sheets, but they have codes on it that Kyle Seraphin used to run counterterrorism,

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  the FBI, huge whistleblower, came on my show for hours and documented what it meant. Then he talked to his sources currently in DC and they said, yeah, we're actually on this. It's bad. Okay. So Obama illegally had me declare a national security threat, open criminal espionage investigation with huge resources, HUMET, attempted infiltration. That's all the codes. And that's now makes sense. People, people we'd hire trying to set us up, trying to get us to commit crimes, all this stuff over the years, hacking into our surveillance camera systems, trying to find something dirty, all sorts of sabotage. So now, I mean, I'm living in a spy movie. So, so, so we, so we get that like 10 days in the Trump administration. Three days in, they, they, they mail it. It comes to the mail like seven days later. So now we have that. So we have obelisk admitting it from the FBI and CIA. We have the other

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  lead counsel in Connecticut admitting on the stand, proud of it. I didn't complain for you, just because they knew it would come out. Then we get another FBI contact. They say, why don't you go look at the federal register and it, look for money going to these Sandy Hook foundations or the people that sued me. We go look, it's $4 million plus in payments to them right after they sue me and then two payments to them. During when both trials started.

• 1:33:17Tucker Carlson?

  And payments from whom?

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  From the Justice Department.

• 1:33:19Tucker Carlson?

  So tax dollars?

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  Tax dollars, over $4 million from the Justice Department, were paid to the main Sandy Hook, uh, uh, foundation that is on the board and the head of it, for the people suing me that ran it.

• 1:33:32Tucker Carlson?

  This is crazy.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  So, so, so, so, so now we have the Justice Department, um, and, and I'm releasing those documents. I was actually planning to release them today, a, a week ago before you invited me out here. Uh, so that's all gonna be out today, the documents, all of it, but, but, but it's online. They don't hide it. Also, millions and millions and millions more of COVID money went to them, and you know what happened to Cori Bush's husband. I'm not saying it's illegal, it should be looked into. So this, so this is why this is important. This is the most open and shut, start to finish, operation we've ever seen with all this money directly from the Justice Department, with the Justice Department admitting they initiated it undercover tapes with the CIA. Then you have the FBI admitting on the stand that they initiated it.

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  Then you have the money directly from the Justice Department to them directly when they're attacking me, and then it gets worse. In the last year in my bankruptcy, they had, before that, they attached the US trustee, which they know under federal law, to my bankruptcy like I'm Enron. Most people don't have this happen. So there's Justice Department lawyers and agents at my depositions giving me US code to read before the deposition, when, after I'm sworn in, that if I say anything incorrect, they're gonna charge me with felonies. Okay? But I still don't take the feds. I've done nothing wrong and I have accountants and it's all lies. They're alleging I've stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from these people. None of that's true. Don't have hundreds of millions of dollars. I've ever had $10 million of extra laying around.

• 1:34:52Tucker Carlson?

  What, that you stole money from what people?

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  They, they just say, I harassed them. I made money off them. It's their money. It's just all made up. But I have the Justice Department there. So then the Justice Department has the US trustee in May of last year, order a private security company on a Friday evening to show up with guns on their sides and say, everybody out of the building. And I say, where's the court order? And I say, call the head of your security company. I get on the phone. He goes, hey, I'm telling the people this too. We gotta have a court order. I'm gonna tell them, no.

• 1:35:20Tucker Carlson?

  They showed up at your office?

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  They showed up at my office.

• 1:35:21Tucker Carlson?

  With guns?

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Armed security, yes.

• 1:35:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:24Speaker 02

  And, and so I call my lawyers, they don't even believe it's happening. We get a hearing and the judge blocks it. Then he has a full evidentiary hearing, June 14th. Fires the US trustee, removes them, removes the CRO that did it. Okay. In the bankruptcy. And then appoints a new one who comes in to be all buddy buddy. Then they, he says, okay, we want to sell it. And then that way proceeds have sold Infowars. But then we have buyers that are good that will keep it going. The Sandy Hook families, really Democratic Party, says, we don't want money in court filings. We want it shut down. The judge says, no, you will sell it at an auction, but cash auction. Then they have a auctions date set. The day before they say that's canceled. It'll be private bids turned in on that Monday.

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  And then the next day, we will tell you the winner is. Well, then it was the Bloomberg financing, his Everytown group, The Onion. Everybody heard The Onion had gotten Infowars. Remember that? Uh, back in, um, back in, uh, November. Uh, so all that happened. So we, we countersue. The judge has hearings on December 9th and 10th. Says there was never an auction that was fraudulent. Uh, you know, you guys need to settle this and you need to get money for Mr. Jones's buyers and it needs to stop. They come back to the judge three times and say, we don't want money. We don't ever want it sold. We want it shut down. So the judge said, uh, about a month ago, he said, okay, I'm done. This has gone on three years. Take it to state court. The state court is Judge Bellis that did the show trial with HBO.

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Um, or that, that's Judge Guregamble in Texas. It's Judge, uh, that's the other judge in Connecticut. So it's Judge Guregamble, uh, just like Judge Bellis running the show trial, finding him guilty. She has said, as soon as she gets that, she's going to send in the constables from the county and just close the doors, lock it. Cause they don't want the money that it can produce. They don't want any of that. They, you know, they want it shut down.

• 1:37:15Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just ask you a reality based question here? So all of this stems-

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  Sorry, this is a long story.

• 1:37:20Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, no, it's a, it's a shocking story, but I, I just don't want to lose the-

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  And it's never been told in, in full.

• 1:37:27Tucker Carlson?

  The baseline facts. Okay. So all of this stems from a school shooting in Connecticut.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  12 years ago.

• 1:37:34Tucker Carlson?

  12 years ago. And you suggested on air that there was something weird about this.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  I covered other people saying that.

• 1:37:40Tucker Carlson?

  Correct. You did not commit the school shooting?

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  No, Adam Lanza did.

• 1:37:44Tucker Carlson?

  Adam Lanza did.

• 1:37:45Speaker 02

  And I said for years, I believe it happened before they sued me.

• 1:37:47Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So we spent approximately zero time and zero money as a country trying to figure out, why would Adam Lanza murder all these children? We're all against murdering children. Some of us are against murdering all children, including in foreign countries and here in abortion clinics, we're just against murdering kids. Okay. So I'm not going to cede the moral high ground on kids to ghouls like this. So, okay, but we have no idea why Adam Lanza did this. No one's trying to find out. You instead are being blamed, who are the father of four kids, for the murder of all these kids when you had literally nothing to do with the murder at all. And the actual murderer is probably brain fried and SSRI's or whatever the cause, like no one cares.

• 1:38:24Speaker 02

  That's right. He was on SSRI's, like almost all of them. And exactly. And here's the finale.

• 1:38:29Tucker Carlson?

  But like, no one cares. It's like, all these people jump up and down, including some of these parents, I assume. And like, I understand they're upset their kids are murdered. I mean, I have true compassion for them, but they're blaming you for it?

• 1:38:40Speaker 02

  And then raising money, hundreds of millions off my name. And his mother bought the gun legally. And then Remington was bankrupted by it and paid $73 million to them. Remember that? It just goes on and on. And after they sued me, this one foundation's increase went up while they were suing me and during the show trials, 375%. Let me give you the actual numbers. 337% to 119 million just during that period. And their main fundraiser was me. Not to mention all the Justice Department, four plus million they got. But here's the, here's the-

• 1:39:17Tucker Carlson?

  Blaming you, when you say the fundraiser was you, they were blaming you for a mass murder that you were horrified by and didn't commit. And ignoring the actual mass murderer, blaming everyone but the murderer for political reasons. So like, they're destroying you.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  It's like that meme where Indiana Jones moves the idol and puts the bag of sand on there. They removed Lanza and just put me on there. And it was, he's coming, he's harassing us. He made all this money off of us. He's bullying, he's sending the stalkers. He's attacking. Help, help, help. With just ads everywhere. Help, help, help us fight Alex Jones. Help, help, help. And I hadn't talked about him in years and years, only talked about one of their names. I never even knew who this FBI agent was. None of my crew said his name. My lawyer got up and said, have you ever, Alex Jones ever said your name? No. Any of his crew ever said your name? No. You ever post your picture? Ever talk about? You know. When's the first time you heard about Alex Jones? 2016? And then he goes and does all this, but here's the finale. Here's the finale. This is what I know when you talk to Trump and others. This is important because this needs to be looked at.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  This is conspiracy against rights. We're getting ready to take action on this legally. This is violation of process. This is racketeering, I mean, cut and dry in my view. And that's what my legal experts agree as well. It's cut and dry. Turns out Paul Weiss, the big law firm that lost its intelligence agency clearances because they targeted Trump and they admitted to it. They came to Trump a month ago and they said, give us back 50 plus percent of our business. Let us have our national security clearance. We promise to stop doing lawfare against you and your supporters. And this is an agreement. And we'll spend $40 million on pro bono work that's non-political. It's in the agreement. Okay. And that's, by the way, in our legal action is about to come out. They just filed that 40 million of that 20 is their suit of me. And they list the lawyers.

• 1:41:00Tucker Carlson?

  That's their pro bono work?

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  And they've been coordinating the entire bankruptcy assault. They came up with the fake auction on record. That's come out in our depositions of them. We're suing them currently, but more is coming. They came up with the plan with the US trustees multiple times to have fake auctions. And the judge said it was a fake auction. They're the ones that sent armed security in on Friday evening. I was leaving at like seven o'clock and there's all these guys showing up from a security company we'd already used for eight years, but all these guys I've never seen. They're like, hey, man, we're told they're closing the doors. They're kicking you out for good tonight at nine. And we shouldn't have told you this, but I knew one of the guys. And but now it's under the court. And then I get on the phone with the head of the security company. And he goes, listen, man, he goes, I mean, I got this lady saying, I'm a Justice Department official,

• 1:41:42Speaker 02

  Melissa Hazelton and her lawyer Freeman. Melissa Hazelton and Liz Freeman. And they're telling me, we are Justice Department officials. You must close it. He said, no, I want a court order. So then I had to sleep up there because they tried to hire another security company the next day. And I knew it.

• 1:42:01Tucker Carlson?

  And I'm going to steal your office from you.

• 1:42:04Speaker 02

  Listen, when they did the fake auction the next day, they came and turned the internet off because they knew I was going to appeal it and the judge shut that down too. And I was out of there for a few days. So there was such an outcry and the judge ordered to let us back in the building. We've been we've been kicked out repeatedly. Once I wouldn't leave.

• 1:42:19Tucker Carlson?

  Of your own building?

• 1:42:20Speaker 02

  Of our own building. So, so, but Paul Weiss.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Has, has been running this whole thing with Koskoff and Koskoff. It's basically a total deep state operation with Senator Blumenthal and his son. Okay, so this is on record and, and, but, but so, so, so here they are telling Trump, oh yes, we'll stop doing lawfare against you and your people. And then now they're billing that in the basic fine they agreed to with Trump. You know, that's what it is unofficial fine. They are telling Trump, we're going to stop our attacks on your supporters and you. And now they think Trump, you know, they know he's busy, that he won't learn that they've done this. So in my view, they need serious sanctions from the White House. If this isn't about me, I'm tough. This is about this saga.

• 1:43:07Speaker 02

  Everything I've told you is even worse than I'm telling you. The, the insanity of, of what they've done and, and the persecution would take days because they had four court ordered that my company had to pay for. And then if the money didn't come in, we wouldn't make it through those investigations. I'd tell listeners, hey, buy our products. We've got to pay to be investigated. Four different investigations, forensic accountants looking for dirt. They had the IRS audit me for a year. We got a $4.3 million tax return back. The IRS says, we never do this. Went into the bankruptcy because I'd overpaid $4.3 million in five years because I tell my CPAs, overpay. I know because I don't have a target. So, so there are three years of investigation. I got a $4.3 million check back and none of it was true.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  And then even the New York Times last year had to say, well, it turns out Jones had meager resources and never really had anything. It was all lies. So it was all lies. I did anything to him. It was all lies I made money off of. It was all lies I had all this money. And the point is, is now to, last night, the Connecticut Supreme Court said, we're not even going to hear your appeal and, which is ironclad, abuse of process, all the rest of it. Texas, the judge violated three laws, cut and dry.

• 1:44:24Speaker 02

  I mean, the cap is at $5 billion. She said, I don't care about the Texas cap. I'm doing 45. With change was 49. They just don't care. And it's the same in all of this lawfare. Uh, just like a judge found Trump.

• 1:44:36Tucker Carlson?

  You never did anything. You never broke any laws. They would have indicted you. Like this is all so hallucinogenic. It's so crazy.

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  Well, imagine it's like, it's like I'm their chew toy and they just chew on me.

• 1:44:48Tucker Carlson?

  But your crime, look, I just want to refer you to the very first moments of this conversation. When I pointed out once again, for the 100th time, you called 9/11 in detail before 9/11. So that is like, just from my perspective as an outsider and somebody knows you, that's like the defining fact of your life. That's the first sentence of your obituary. No one did that. Only you. That fact, I think, is responsible for everything that has come after.

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  Well, just exactly. Well, just think of the scandal. On record, Kyle Seraphin, and he showed me the conversations with high level FBI. They're saying they're investigating it. He's going to come back on the show, I think, tomorrow, uh, or Friday. You know, famous whistleblower. Um, he read the, the, the, the documents and we got a lot from it, but he explained. I mean, this is like terrorist designation. This is espionage. So I've had a full espionage, counter espionage operation against me, trying to find something for 10 years.

• 1:45:41Tucker Carlson?

  So where's the DOJ? Where's, I mean, this is a test for the new Department of Justice. You know, brought in on the explicit promise to end the corruption, stop using our justice system, which my ancestors helped build and yours too. As a political army mobilized against domestic political opponents. That's not allowed. That's like Haiti stuff. We don't do that. It's not a Tant Tant Makut at the FBI.

• 1:46:06Tucker Carlson?

  They promised to do that. So can they help you? Are they helping you?

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I'll say this. Trump cut and dry had the same stuff done to him. He, he's the only person on a wider scale. That has had this and you'll hear him say, it's unbelievable. It would take a long time. It's unbelievable. I've studied the cases of you. It's, it's the same kind of crap. A judge in New York finds him guilty, doesn't give him a jury trial. I mean, it, it, it goes on and on. So what they've done to me, they want to do to you. But if you want that string that pulls the whole sweater apart. They think because of the demonization, what they said I did to kids I didn't do, that the Republicans will be scared to ever defend me.

• 1:46:41Tucker Carlson?

  That's for sure.

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  Uh, when in truth, it's like the Mendez brothers, when people found out what they went through, they learned that they'd all been lied to about that. Well, this is like that. This is like what the story you've heard folks from start to finish, isn't that. They saw I was famous, they saw I was big, they tied me to Trump to try to hurt him, then they raised hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars off of me, got Justice Department money, had show trials, put out all this stuff I didn't do on record, and, and, and, and, and then now are not just trying to kill the Second Amendment, using these poor dead children who up, God rest their souls, but the First Amendment as well. So, this is outrageous, and it's a bellwether showing that Paul Ice, that big Democrat law firm, one of the top ones, would literally tell Trump, okay, we'll stop doing political

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  persecution, we admit to it, they confessed, to lawfare against him and his supporters, his family, and then they're still doing it to me, and they're billing the money they said they'd pay in me. So, so it's a sick joke, they think Trump won't learn about this. And at the end of the day, I just want it to stop. And, look, we've survived so much, people say, oh, they were gonna shut you down here, they were shutting down there. It's in the news they kicked us out of the building, in November. It's in the news they kicked us out in, or tried to kick us out in, in May of last year. There was a bunch of other stuff that happened. My big deal is, I'm not gonna give up, because they've said, we wanna get the name Infowars, we wanna confuse it, and have Chubacabras, and

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  Bigfoot, and we're gonna act like we're Alex Jones, they, they claim they own my X account, Musk had to sue, get involved and have them back off of that. The Democrats in their filing in bankruptcy six months ago, said that the Amendment Against Slavery, was it 13 or 14, 13, doesn't apply to me. That's, you can read it in Bloomberg from the filing. They said, he is a special type of person. And so, just like- Prince signed away his rights to a record company for his name and his music. I never signed away my rights. So they're saying they own the name Alex Jones. In the court filing, they say they know the name real Alex Jones. They're saying they own all my catalog of material, even though it's always been free to air. And it's my political views and it's open. They can't do that. I can write a book and publish it to the world and say it's free.

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  Somebody can't sue me and get a bankruptcy letter and say they own a book I gave away. Copyright free. My show is owned by the world, but what is it they don't want? It's because my older shows going back 30 years are ultra green. They're not evergreen where they stay the test of time. They get more important. And so the system knows that those clips are getting hundreds of millions of views, some of them. Where I lay out and predict hundreds of subjects and, and, and what's going to happen. And then I explain though.

• 1:49:21Tucker Carlson?

  So that intellectual property is at stake.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  They are preposterously, this is new law. They think off of demonized Alex Jones, they say this. They can set a precedent to not just censor you, not just take Tucker Carlson off the air. And they said, you're the next target, literally. I say the clips, you didn't see them on CNN, MSNBC, that they will then take your identity, which under the prohibition of slavery and under the prohibition against slavery in the Texas constitution, all the others, you can't take someone's name. You can't even take someone's tools under state law in Texas. Uh, and, but no, they are saying that they own the name Alex Jones.

• 1:49:58Tucker Carlson?

  And they own your archive of content.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  Yes, and they say that they want to twist it and make fun of it. They had the Onion owner with the Everytown Bloomberg representative on this. They, they, they made Bloomberg pay for it.

• 1:50:09Tucker Carlson?

  The Onion owner is just an intel cutout. I mean.

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  Absolutely. From MSNBC.

• 1:50:12Tucker Carlson?

  I'm very aware.

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  Censorship operator. That was his job.

• 1:50:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and who has literally no sense of humor at all. It's the most humorless drone working on behalf of entrenched power like in the United States. And he's running the comedy site. It's like, it's like the Babylon Bee. It's also fake.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  And he's the MSNBC version of Brian Stelter.

• 1:50:30Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I'm aware. I'm aware.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  I know you're the, exactly. So what I'm saying is it's a constellation of operatives, corporate, media, government, Justice Department, the trustees, all of them. And they just like an army believe they're still going to beat America.

• 1:50:44Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:50:44Speaker 02

  And they see me as a populist, firebrand folk hero. And they said that themselves, and they want to silence and destroy that person. So they can then take the identity of that and turn me into Satan. So.

• 1:50:57Tucker Carlson?

  Meanwhile, Adam Lanza, the guy who murdered all those children is totally forgotten.

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I almost apologize. I don't really talk about this a lot on my own show. It's just come to a head today, and I'm very honored you let me run on and on. But I mean, folks, this is your country, your world. This was done. What I've told you is 10% of it. Okay, I mean, this is an incredible scandal. The law firm that confessed to Trump to try to destroy him illegally. With lawfare, it said, "Don't worry, sir. We'll do $40 million of good work, non-political." Half of that in a filing last week is me. They have gone and filed that half of our $40 million is what we've done to Alex Jones. I mean, come on. I mean, look, I don't care what happens to me. I just hope Trump takes away their national security clearance. Because they're not going to stop what they're doing, and those other law firms know exactly who they are.

• 1:51:44Tucker Carlson?

  I agree, and you'd love to talk to the person who negotiated that deal and see if he's aware of it.

• 1:51:48Speaker 02

  Oh, I wonder who that is in the White House?

• 1:51:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  Maybe they should be looked at a little bit.

• 1:51:54Tucker Carlson?

  So, uh...

• 1:51:55Speaker 02

  Wonder what they got?

• 1:51:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yep. Uh, you know, I don't know.

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  I'm just speculating here. That's why we need to investigate, because, because, I mean, you know this in racketeering laws they passed. If the mafia says, "Oh, you better hire my cousin and pay me 10% or something might happen to your grocery store," and then they burn your grocery store down, they start investigating, they learn how the criminal networks operate. The mob boss doesn't say, "Go burn it down." He just says, "Yeah, that guy's not paying." And, and, and, and that's, and they all want to mount my head on the wall, like you've got, you know, that great deer mounted on the wall over there. They want Alex Jones's head on the wall as a symbol to scare everybody else. I mean, they said that in the courthouses and on the courthouse steps. They said, "Send a message to everybody else, these patient zero." We're going to take him off here and destroy him, and we're going to scare every one of these other Americans to keep them.

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  I mean, literally, it's like in Bugs Life when the head grasshopper says, "Yeah, we got all this grain. Why are we going to go beat up the ants? Because one little ant stood up." And he goes, "Yeah, one little grain. Doesn't hurt." But he goes, "But if they all stand up," and he pulls it and it floods them. He goes, "If those little puny ants outnumber us 100 to 1, and if they ever figure that out, it's over for us." That's why we're going back to kill that ant.

• 1:53:05Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right.

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  So I'm just the ant in Bugs' life.

• 1:53:08Tucker Carlson?

  You are, and but it hasn't worked. And so I want to make a prediction because I just want to be on tape saying this. Say it again even more clearly this time. And of course, I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But I do think a lot of the really crazy bitter ethnic hate that you see on social media is fake. It's it's people were saying it don't mean it. Um, I think it's like, you know, the clansmen you'd see marching and you're like, they're no clansmen. Like, what? And of course, you find out that it's all it's it's fake. And it's designed to convince people that there's like a lot of roiling ethnic hatred that doesn't really exist. And and that's a predicate.

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  Patriot front.

• 1:53:44Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. It's it's Charlottesville. But that's happening online right now. And I and I know that it is. And I think that at some point, I pray I'm wrong, but there's going to be an act of violence. Ethnic inspired violence of hate inspired violence, actual hate, like killing people. And I really hope I'm wrong. But I I feel like this is real and that that event will be used to shut down free speech on social.

• 1:54:07Speaker 02

  I 100.

• 1:54:09Tucker Carlson?

  Because that is the threat. And they you saw with Tik Tok like, oh, we need to ban Tik Tok because China owns it. Nothing to do with China. It had everything to do with opinions that the people in charge didn't like being expressed there. And it's like, we're just going to and and the Congress went along with it. But if there's an act of violence and innocents are murdered, and I pray that doesn't happen because I hate that above all, but it has happened. And I feel like it could happen again. And people say, and a lot of good people will go along with it. Just like they went along with the censorship of you and the destruction of your life. Because they were told like, he's bad. He had something to do with murdering children. And then people just shut down. They're like, you know, I don't know. Alex Jones has sent you with murdering children. So whatever they do to Alex Jones, like is fine.

• 1:54:49Speaker 02

  Can't tell you how many times in front of my family, people walk up and they go, you killed those kids.

• 1:54:53Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:54:53Speaker 02

  And I'll always go, really? I I did, huh? And why am I walking around? And then just like, well, you you know what you did. But but but what you said is so important. The last ingredients is the false flag on a big illegal alien demonstration or a black church. Because the Democrats keep saying Trump's coming to kill the migrants. We got to rise up.

• 1:55:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, or or something else like that. But where innocents are murdered by a crazy person, a crazy person, or maybe an actual crazy person. or whatever, or maybe it just happens organically. Maybe if you stoke enough ethnic division online, it's clearly bad. I mean, there are people who have, you know, views that are, you know, are mad at other ethnicities. I mean, that's, that's real. Okay. But there are also big actors who are not real. They're doing it on purpose.

• 1:55:34Speaker 02

  And we know who they are.

• 1:55:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, we do know who they are.

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  And for strategic reasons.

• 1:55:39Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not, I don't want to get involved in all that filth, but.

• 1:55:42Speaker 02

  But let's just say we've seen the documents separately.

• 1:55:44Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. And they're stoking this stuff. And maybe it just organically inspires someone to commit murder, a mass murder. And again, I just pray as someone who hates all violence to say it again, I pray that's not the case.

• 1:55:56Speaker 02

  But let's just say this, the people they're mainly attacking are the ones financing them. It's the oldest trick in the book.

• 1:56:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:02Speaker 02

  Hugalian dialectic. And so just be aware of that, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:56:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, and I just don't, yeah. And I think you're what, and the only reason I bring that up is because I worry about it every day.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  I do too, because that's the next big move.

• 1:56:14Tucker Carlson?

  Free speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, you, it's not a free society. You're a slave. If you can't say what you think, you're a slave. It's really simple. And we don't have slavery in this country. It's a free country.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  And when it happens, I pray it doesn't. That's the next move. So we're predicting this so that there's enough eyes and ears on it and enough people watching. So they don't pull it off. Because that's the thing. Everything I used to predict basically came true because the globalists were still in power. They're so disorganized, have so many problems now. A lot of times when we're able to get out ahead of things, you and others and Trump and Joe Rogan, we're able, and Elon's with a huge voice, you know, second only to Trump. We're able to disrupt what they're doing and enough people see through it. So if it does happen, they try to stampede us into blaming whoever it is. Oh, the crooks guy, you know, he acted alone. Well, this will be some right wing Trump supporter with a MAGA hat.

• 1:57:01Tucker Carlson?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  That'll get killed by the SWAT team.

• 1:57:02Tucker Carlson?

  He was inspired by hate online. There for you're not allowed to have like legitimate opinions or your own opinions. And, you know, God can decide whether they're legitimate or not. But if you're a free man, a free person, you have a right to say what you really believe. Period. And that cannot be encumbered or else you're a slave.

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And, and, you know, you know, we get back to the spiritual battle here.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  I just want people to know that my lawyers just told me, I put you on speaker with them. They said I could be shut down within two days, two weeks. They are coming to shut down Infowars. We've survived so much, like a long boxing match. People are like, oh yeah, right. No, this is very, very real. This has been very, very serious. And so, you know, for now, people can find me on X at @realalexjones. But, but that part doesn't matter. People understand more and more how things work. All of your voices are so important. All of you sharing this interview, sharing the other great work Tucker's doing, all the courage he has and others have to really put it all on the line. You know, we haven't even talked about Iran.

• 1:58:01Tucker Carlson?

  Well, give me, give me your five minute, I mean, that I should say, I think this interview is going up tonight. We're going to try to get it up in a few hours, but that's such a dynamic situation. Um, Steve Winkoff, apparently he's meeting directly with the Iranians, which I think is such a great, that's a blessing. But, um, and I hope for the best, but give us your five minute overview. Like what is that? And where's that going?

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  Well, Iran's plan B for the globalist and Iran's got its issues and its Shiite militias and all that. I'm not, I'm not lionizing the mullahs.

• 1:58:31Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, you're not?

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  But, but, but they've been isolated. Israel has knocked out their proxy forces in Lebanon and Gaza and in the West Bank. Uh, and Netanyahu is extremely unpopular. He's been indicted. And he, he said he doesn't want an investigation in January. He doesn't want an investigation of October 7th until the war is over. But then he never, you know, he's going to have the war be over. So I'm not even against Netanyahu. I'm not against Israel. I know most people in Israel don't war with Iran either, but he's been trying to drag us into war since nine 11. That's how long he's been around and in power often on into this, and they have the most ballistic missiles in the world, what it is four to one, five to one, six to one,

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  to even the Israeli anti-missile defense system. Israel, as you know, only has three big cities. They will get blown off the map by this. Conventionally, even if Iran doesn't have nukes and uses them, and the word is they do. Israel will nuke Iran.

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  And then all hell's gonna break loose. And in most scenarios, India and Pakistan start nuking each other. Saudi Arabia's got nukes. Uh, there's a lot of other countries that have nukes that people don't know about. You don't want even a limited nuclear war, because in most big threat assessment war games, and Tucker's an expert on this, you can attest to it. He talks to the experts, it, it breaks out. You know, kind of like your neighbor, you know, has the black plague. Well, you might get it. Uh, or, you know, your neighbor, uh, you know, has, has, has got syphilis. God forbid you have sex with him. I mean, this is a lot worse than syphilis. It's a lot worse than TB. This is really dangerous. And Iran does have proxy forces in Europe and the United States that Obama let get in. And they really do have some of these sleeper cells, uh, that are here. That if

• 2:00:19Speaker 02

  this does go to full war, they can cause some major problems. And different foreign intelligence agencies are famous for spoofing Iranians and Saudi Arabian terror attacks. They could easily stage a big false flag to get us into a war with Iran.

• 2:00:32Tucker Carlson?

  I'm aware, yeah.

• 2:00:33Speaker 02

  Uh, and they're also, the Russians have warned, and before they did, I warned, of attacks on nuclear power plants in Ukraine and Russia. Try to blame Russia. Ukraine's done that, been caught. Ukraine and NATO tried to blame Russia for the Nord Stream pipeline. How laughable is that? Of course, I heard this information has been proven, you know, that obviously it was the US government with NATO. I mean, hell, even Biden said, you know, we'll get rid of the pipeline if you invade. So, the globalists are very reckless. Again, 50% chance, depending on, say, if they started bombing Russia, Russia would nuke, they still roll the dice. So, we need really cool heads here. This is not like going into Iraq twice. This is not like going into Libya. This is not a cakewalk. Um, even for people that love to, you know, buy a bottle of bourbon and sit back and

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  get drunk watching, you know, a, a war like so many sick people do. This, this, this is the main threat to civilization. And, I mean, Tucker, you really have all the connections. You travel the world, you cover these summits.

• 2:01:28Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know any, I don't know anything other than I think that people in charge of a bunch of different countries are, are like reckless on a level that's without precedent in the modern era. And I don't think they're serving their own people, by the way, leaders like that. It's not just like, you know, you've got a bellicose leader who's threatening war or whatever. It doesn't necessarily mean the people, he... Rules are being served. He's putting their lives at risk. Our leaders have put our lives at risk for no good reason. And so, you know, I'm hardly an expert in anything. I'm just an observer and it's just also obvious. And I'm really worried about, my last question to you is, you get this sense that there's like a spirit of dullness or fantasy. Maybe it's connected to living digitally or something, but like, smart, aware people

• 2:02:13Tucker Carlson?

  are no longer smart or aware. They're sort of sleepwalking through this incredibly dangerous moment, and they don't even acknowledge any of it. And like, what is that?

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  Well, that was the description I was gonna use.

• 2:02:28Tucker Carlson?

  There's like a mist that settles over all of us. And like, we can't, it's like, no one is even like awake. What is that?

• 2:02:35Speaker 02

  Well, that's how I describe it, is how you describe it. We're sleepwalking into Armageddon. The Bible calls it a spell.

• 2:02:42Tucker Carlson?

  It feels that way.

• 2:02:44Speaker 02

  Medically, they would call it a trance. And you know, since the advent, I say that's our Catholic television, and everybody gathering around it, people are way more highly suggestible. Most people are closer to a near dream state or daydream state pretty much all the time.

• 2:02:58Tucker Carlson?

  It feels that way.

• 2:02:59Speaker 02

  You go to a movie, you see everybody kind of drooling. And I've never really had a lot of suspended disbelief. Even when I was a kid, I was always analyzing things.

• 2:03:06Tucker Carlson?

  Me too, me too.

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  And so I guess that's a gift, but also it's kind of torture. It'd be fun to just be able to be mindless sometimes. But yeah, and the establishment itself is all about never actually making a decision they get in trouble for, having committees, having groups, having it kind of be policy where no one can be accountable. But then that creates a runaway train scenario, where then only the most reckless people that are the craziest kind of become the consensus because nobody else wants to challenge them. And through Trump and Elon, you know, saying, hey, we don't want war, we don't want a meat grinder, this is too dangerous, this is crazy, we want to stabilize civilization, we want to have more kids, not less, every actuary shows we collapse if we don't. Those are consciously, like Trump, conscious, awake, sharp. Elon, conscious, aware, sharp, you

• 2:03:51Speaker 02

  know, so many others. And then it's a system of kind of quasi-zombies and zombies. Run by a few kleptocrat psycho demon possessed people that that that that don't want us waking up the zombies. So that's why they're mad at me. It's why they're mad at Elon. It's why they're mad at you is that we are trying to collectively get people to wake up because the wheel on the ship is so heavy and so big, a few of us can't turn it. But if we get more people politically engaged in them where together we're able to turn the wheel as we're about to go over this waterfall 5,000 feet and get killed. And so it's it's it's people that are dolled in unconscious versus people that are unconscious

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  in the middle versus evil that is driven by a very nihilistic destructive force. And and that's what the transhumanism is about. I mean, I remember 30 years ago, reading government white papers that were public that listeners sent me, medical people, that they had human animal hybrids that could grow in cows for organ harvesting. And that and of course, that's been admitted for 20 years now. But just last week, hundreds of articles, oh, we can grow humanoids for organ harvesting. Don't worry, though, they don't have consciousness. We've already raised them at undisclosed laboratories. And then it's in the MIT, you know, reports that they've done it. Or I remember 30 years ago, oh, military bases have goats that are part spider that produce body armor out of their

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  milk, but we don't show them to you. And then later they brought them out. And then, oh, oh, we have dire wolves living in an undisclosed location where we spliced 13,000 year old DNA with a regular wolf. And my point is, the future's been here for a while, it's just not evenly distributed. So you've got this super advanced sectors of technology, literally underground bases and facilities. And you've got an establishment, a very small technocracy that's even aware of those systems. Yes. And they don't want to give the general population access to that. So to them, they want a nuclear war. They think it's survivable in their underground bases. And Ian Fleming, former high level OSS in MI6, wrote the James Bond books, became movies. Remember the 80s

• 2:05:59Speaker 02

  Moonraker with with?

• 2:06:02Speaker 02

  Roger Moore. And remember, there's a crazy billionaire with these other billionaires with an underground base in Brazil, that's going to release a bioweapon on the earth to kill everybody, but it only goes for a year. He's going to go up to space while everybody dies on earth at their space station, and then come back and repopulate the earth. And he's a eugenicist, and they only have the best specimens of the humans to do it. They're con- in the movie Zardoz with Sean Connery in the seventies, and Logan's Run, and the island, and THX 1138. And then you have Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World in 32. His brother, Julian Huxley, was the head of the World Eugenics Society. When that

• 2:06:45Speaker 02

  got a bad name for World War II, they changed it to the World Transhumanist Society. He was the director general of UNESCO, really ran the UN. And his brother, before he died, gave that famous Berkeley speech, it's an hour long. And I've read his book Brave New World Revisited, it's nonfiction. Everybody should read it. And he says, no, no, no, no. The world's not gonna be like Orwell with the SWAT teams. That's for the 1% that might resist. The real plan, the reason I could write Brave New World, is this was the consensus of the elite in Europe and England, of the world we're gonna build with genetically engineered people, a subspecies that serves us, everyone taking soma, everyone's controlled. And he explains in that Berkeley speech, if you don't read the book, he gives a synopsis, that

• 2:07:25Speaker 02

  this is a real plan, that he saw being in place by 2020. And so, you have to understand, Brave New World is an instruction manual of what they want to do. They want to turn humans into a commodity. That's why Obama calls it the end of history. Where there are no more cycles, where everything's controlled, where 90% of the world population's reduced. And maybe if you serve them right, or whatever, the 10% is here. But there's these gods on Mount Olympus, or these Elysium, you know, demigods, that are the technocrats that control everything. And everybody is wired into their brains, and the technocrats control the AI. And then they play God. Like Ray Kurzweil said, I don't believe in God yet, I'm gonna become one. You've all know Harari, I don't believe in God yet, but there will be one

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  in the cloud of AI. And so, I'll just say this, the best laid plans of mice and men often go astray, as the famous writer said, and- These people are prideful, they're satanic.

• 2:08:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  And, and, and, and it's all gonna end in disaster. We have to choose God. We have to choose justice. We have to choose free will and we have to get out of nature more and we have to disconnect, uh, you know, from the system's lies and then only go into the system to basically tell the truth and just know that if, if you're fighting evil, evil's gonna come after you, but that's a blessing and that it's very rewarding and the experiences you have in that quest are, are, are the greatest experiences of my life and you find out who's real, you find out who's not real. I just see the arrogance of these lawyers, it's warfare, it's lawfare and with, through the agencies that are running them and, and what they've done to me, they want to do to you. Like Trump said a thousand times, they're not trying to get me, they gotta get

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  through me to get to you. That is true. And so that's why I, I, I do want to see action from the White House. I do want to see the Justice Department take action because my case, because they felt like it's free, free game on me, that, you know, it's just open season. They've, they've been more transparent. I mean, it's illegal in my view to, to, to have the Justice Department fund these lawsuits. It's illegal to have the FBI go create these. It's illegal for Obama to list me as a national security terrorist and have a dragnet for decades and then they, you know, all of this concerted is the stalking. All of this concerted is the racketeering and that's what it is by definition, conspiracy against rights. And then they're just sitting back laughing and, and going, oh, Trump, 40 million, you

• 2:09:44Speaker 02

  know, to help poor people. We won't be political anymore. We're using it for Alex Jones. You know, it's just, these people need to be called on this. They operate in darkness. They operate because people are too busy. They operate thinking you're never gonna figure out what they're doing and, and more and more, they're scared. But I would have thought with all this coming out, they would back off. No, instead they've gotten scared because the Connecticut Supreme Court and all them were gonna hear this. Now they said suddenly they reversed it. No, we're not hearing it now.

• 2:10:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:10Speaker 02

  Uh, because, because they think just shut him down, shut him up. It's not gonna work when, if they set down Infowars and I, and I don't, you know, throw fights. I'm fighting right to the end, but if they're able to do that and everybody sees that, it, it's only gonna make what I do that much bigger. But again, like when they, you know, the establishment tried to kill Trump, that's when the establishment went from collapsing to collapsed. So their order's over and I like it in closing, the Japanese soldiers, the last one, 27 years later, because the Japanese were losing in the Pacific, as you know, Tucker, they would dump soldiers out on islands to frustrate and harass the, uh, the allies coming in. The US, England, and the Australians and the New Zealanders that fought the Pacific

• 2:10:54Speaker 02

  War. And so the last guy 27 years later was still on an island shooting at people and stuff, thinking that, you know, he still had to fight for the emperor until he found out, no, the war's been over 27 years. So the radicalized death cult left, the Jacobins, are just running around like chickens with their heads cut off, like zombies. Attack, attack, attack. Everyone's a Nazi. Cutting women off in traffic, getting out, beating up women because they're driving a Tesla, being proud of it. I mean, they have been radicalized into a cult. And, and that's what Klaus Schwab said. He said, we're going to collapse Western civilization by creating an angrier world. We've got to not target each other. We've got to target the policies and ideas of globalists and dismantle the

• 2:11:37Speaker 02

  policies and have a big tent to unify behind stopping nuclear war.

• 2:11:42Tucker Carlson?

  You know, you're, you just, you pray you live long enough to affect good in the world. And I definitely pray that for you. Alex Jones, thank you.

• 2:11:49Speaker 02

  Thank you, Tucker, so much. You're the best.

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