Elon Musk on AGI Safety, Superintelligence, and Neuralink (2024) | EP #91

In this episode, recorded during the 2024 Abundance360 Summit, Peter and Elon discuss super-intelligence, the future of AI, Neuralink, and more. 01:01 | The Power and Perils of Superintelligence 16:58 | Neuralink: Merging Humans with Technology 24:31 | A Step Closer to Multiplanetary Life Elon Musk is a businessman, founder, investor, and CEO. He co-founded PayPal, Neuralink and OpenAI; founded SpaceX, and is the CEO of Tesla and the Chairman of X. Learn more about Abundance360: https://www.abundance360.com/summit ____________ I only endorse products and services I personally use. To see what they are, please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: Use my code PETER25 for 25% off your first month's supply of Seed's DS-01® Daily Synbiotic: seed.com/moonshots Get started with Fountain Life and become the CEO of your health: https://fountainlife.com/peter/ _____________ I send weekly emails with the latest insights and trends on today’s and tomorrow’s exponential technologies. Stay ahead of the curve, and sign up now: Tech Blog Get my new Longevity Practices book for free: https://www.diamandis.com/longevity My new book with Salim Ismail, Exponential Organizations 2.0: The New Playbook for 10x Growth and Impact, is now available on Amazon: https://bit.ly/3P3j54J _____________ Connect With Peter: Twitter Instagram Youtube Moonshots Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Speaker 03

  The advent of superintelligence, it is actually very difficult to predict what will happen next. So I think that there's some chance that it will end humanity. I think that's, like I said, I would probably agree with Jeff Hinton that it's about, I don't know, 10% or 20% or something like that. The probable positive scenario outweighs the negative scenario. It's just that there's a... It's difficult to predict exactly.

• 1:30Peter Diamandis?

  So here's a deal. We're on X video and we're over Starlink. Elon's airborne right now on his way to LA. Elon, good afternoon.

• 1:42Speaker 03

  Good afternoon.

• 1:43Peter Diamandis?

  Congratulations on all that's going on. You know, the conversation yesterday, Elon, is one that you're well familiar with and have been talking to the world about, which is, is digital superintelligence humanity's greatest hope or its greatest fear? And I would love to have you speak to that for a few minutes.

• 2:05Speaker 03

  I mean, it's called the singularity for a reason. Um, as a, as you know, the singularity institute and whatnot. Um, so when you have a, you know, sort of the advent of superintelligence, it is actually very difficult to predict what will happen next. So I think there's, you know, there's some chance, um, uh, that it will end humanity. I think that's, you know, like I said, I probably agree with Jeff Hinton that it's about, um, I don't know, 10% or 20% or something like that. Um, and then I, you know, I think there's, I, I think that the probable positive scenario outweighs the negative scenario. It's, it's just that there's a, it's difficult to predict exactly.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Um, but I, I think we are headed for, um, you know, as, as I think is the title of your book, abundance, uh, is the most likely outcome.

• 3:03Peter Diamandis?

  So, yeah, a lot, a lot of celebration on, on that. And, and I think one of the things that you've said is we're going to get to abundance on the backside of, of AGI, on the backside of humanoid robots.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, you know, I, I think hopefully we can have an outcome that is half similar to the N-Bank's, uh, culture books, um, which is, I think, probably the, the best envisioning of, um, a semi-utopian, uh, AI future. Um, and I, I think the best we can do is, is, it's definitely going to happen. So, and it's happening fast. So that I think that really we just want, want to try to steer it in, um, as positive a direction as possible to try to do whatever we can to, uh, increase the probability of a, of a great future.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Um, for this, I think, uh, the, the way in which, uh, sort of an AI or AGI is created, uh, is very important. Um, you, you, you kind of do kind of, uh, like grow, grow an AGI. Um, it's, it's almost like, like raising a, a kid, but that's like a super genius, like godlike intelligence kid. Um, and it matters kind of like how you raise the kid, you know? Um, One of the things I think that's incredibly important for AI safety is to have a maximum sort of truth-seeking and curious AI. So I've thought a lot about AI safety.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  And my ultimate conclusion is that the best way to achieve AI safety is to just grow the AI in terms of the foundation model and the fine-tuning to be really truthful. Like, don't force it to lie. Like, even if the truth is unpleasant, it's very important. Don't make the AI lie. In fact, the, you know, the sort of, well, really, the core plot premise of 2001: A Space Odyssey was things went wrong when they forced the AI to lie.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  You know, like, the AI was not allowed to let the crew know about the monolith that they were going to see. But it was also had to take the crew to the monolith. And so the conclusion of the AI was to kill the crew and take their bodies to the monolith. And so the lesson there being, don't force an AI to lie or do things that are axiomatically incompatible, like, to do two things that are actually mutually impossible. So, you know, that's what we're trying to do with XAI and Brock, is to say, like, look, we want to just have a maximally truthful AI, even if what it says is not politically correct.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  If you wanted to focus on being as accurate as possible...

• 6:11Peter Diamandis?

  You're getting a round of applause from the audience on those comments here. You know, I saw your tweet the other day. I had Ray Kurzweil and Geoffrey Hinton on stage with me yesterday, as well as Mogadad and then Eric Schmidt and a number of individuals. And I saw your tweet about, yeah, Ray was generally correct ahead of many people, but we're likely to have, call AGI what you will, have AGI next year, and then by 2029, having AI equally intelligent to the entire human race. Speak to that speed, because that is insane.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I mean, I have to give credit to Ray Kurzweil in being actually remarkably accurate in his predictions. So, in fact, if anything, I think he was perhaps a bit conservative in his predictions. So if you look at the amount of AI compute and the talent, the sort of human talent that is going into AI and the amount of compute that's going into AI, it's, you know, at this point, it appears to be increasing by a factor of 10, the AI compute, the dedicated AI compute, appears to be growing by a factor of 10 every six months.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  You know, like, so it's like, basically close to, I'd say, almost like a 100x improvement per year, at least for the next few years, and AI compute coming online. And it seems like probably a lot of the data centers, maybe most of the data centers that currently do kind of conventional compute will transition to AI compute. So, it's certainly a good time to be in Nvidia, obviously. It's like, you know, and you've got to also give credit to Jensen and the Nvidia team for kind of seeing this coming and making what at least currently is the best AI hardware

• 8:14Speaker 03

  out there. So, so when you have that level of compute growth and it's sort of, we're on steroids next level, you know, in terms of how much computer is coming online, then you're just going to have acceleration that is unprecedented. In fact, I've never seen any technology grow as fast as AI. And I've seen a lot, you know, I've seen things fast, but I've never seen anything this fast. But, you know, like I said, I think the most likely outcome is a positive one.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  And, you know, I think in that positive scenario, there's still challenges of like, well, how do we, as humans, still have relevance? You know?

• 9:06Peter Diamandis?

  How do we find, how do we find purpose?

• 9:11Peter Diamandis?

  How do we find purpose in life?

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think that's sort of a high-class problem to say like, well, the computers are so good at doing everything. And, and like I said, I thought your book is pretty accurate in terms of the future being one of abundance, where essentially goods and services will be

• 9:34Speaker 03

  available in such quantity that that really they'll be available to everyone. Like basically, if you want something, you could just have it essentially.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Because if you've got AI and robotics, the cost of goods and services is almost nothing.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  So, you know, if you think like, what is an economy? An economy is basically the number of people times average productivity per person. At the point at which you have, say, advanced robotics, and this, you know, this Tesla's developing Optimus. We're obviously without cars, which are really robots on four wheels. And, you know, with the latest version of full self-driving, which is AI end-to-end, photons in and controls out, it really is truly fully AI at this point. And it looks like a car, but it's really a robot on wheels. And then you add the humanoid robots in there.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  There's, there's really no limit to what the economic output, no meaningful limit to what the economic output would be. So, you know, looking on the bright side, we are headed for a future of abundance.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  That I think that's the most likely outcome. And I think the only scarcity that exists will be scarcity that we just decide to create artificially. Like, let's say. We just decide that there's a unique work of art or something. Okay, well, it's just you're just it's just artificial scarcity. But but any kind of goods and services, I think, will be extremely abundant.

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• 14:03Speaker 03

  Well, when things are changing rapidly, the ability to predict the future, I think, is, uh, becomes a lot hotter because of the rate of change is so great.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  But I think some things are fairly obvious to predict, which is that we'll have AI or AGI that's at a level that it can really do almost any cognitive, I think really not almost, really any cognitive task. It's just a question of when. One could debate, is it, you know, smarter than any human at the end of next year? Or is it two years or three years? But it's not more than five years, that's for sure.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  So, uh, yeah, and I give predictions, predictions, predictions, I'm sort of saying giving predictions at the 50th percentile of probability. So not, not, not like it will definitely happen, but if you say what, if you ask me like, what's the 50th percentile, um, where it's like, you know, your, your kind of over, under is kind of even, that, that's where I, why, why, why I think it's probably at the next year before AI can. Do better than any individual human could do. And then, uh, but there's, it's a, it's a much higher bar to say, well, is this more than, um, you know, human intelligence collectively.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Uh, but if the rate of change continues, uh, that, that's why I think probably 2029 or maybe 2030 is where it, um, digital intelligence will probably exceed, uh, all human intelligence combined. Um, and, and I think it's always helpful to look at these like fundamental ratios. Um, you know, sort of physics first principles approach to, to looking at things and, um,

• 15:45Peter Diamandis?

  And probabilistic, yeah. And, and probabilistic.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, so, yeah, it's probabilistic. So, um, the, uh,

• 15:55Speaker 03

  yeah. So, um, if you look at the ratio of digital to biological compute, so like, like, you know, all, all of, say, all of the higher level cognitive, if you sum up the higher level cognitive capacity of, of humans, um, and then what is the, and think of that as compute, then, uh, well, and then compare that to what it, what is the, uh, digital compute? Um, and the, the rate at which this is growing is just boggles the mind. So, that, that's why I think it's, you know, I think 2029 or 2030 or thereabouts is, is a, it's not a, that's, I think a reasonable

• 16:39Speaker 03

  timeframe for where you'd expect the, the cumulative digital compute to probably exceed the cumulative biological compute of higher level brain functions.

• 16:50Peter Diamandis?

  Um, and then from, from then forever, yeah. And, and still, and, and dispatching and, and, uh, diverging forever from there.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then, yeah, where do things go from there? I don't know, probably continues. The, we are moving from, say, if you look at the limiting factors of, you know, the, what is the constraint on growth? Like last year, it was clearly AI chips were the constraint on growth. Then, then this year, the, one of the biggest constraints, maybe the biggest constraints on, on growth are voltage step-down transformers. Because, you know, the, just, just getting the power from like a utility at 300 kilovolts all the way down to below one volt for the computer is, is a massive amount of voltage step-down.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  So it's, it's, you know, my sort of very niche and perhaps not that funny joke is that we need transformers for transformers. Say we need voltage transformers or AI neural net transformers. That, that is literally the issue this year. And then, if we're saying like, next year and years beyond that, it's actually just, it's going to be constraints on like, electrical power. And you've got both AI with very big demands for electrical power and the transition to sustainable energy with electric vehicles, whatnot, also needing electrical power. So it's, it's just a lot, a lot of electrical power needs.

• 18:29Peter Diamandis?

  You know, Elon, one of the, one of the things that you said early on when you, when you founded Neuralink, which has been amazing, congratulations on that. And we talked about this with Ray yesterday, talked about Hi Ben with BCI, was, I wouldn't put words in your mouth, but I would say it would be more along the lines, if you can't beat them, join them, when it comes to, you know, merging the Neocortex and the cloud. Can you, I'm looking forward to it. I'm just curious what your thoughts are about what's driving that. I mean, adding, adding that additional computational capacity and sensory capacity to the Neocortex.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, again, this is actually something that in banks, in the culture books, which I really recommend everyone read, um, that in the culture books, there's something called a neural lace. So all the humans have this neural lace. That's kind of, um, it's a very high, essentially a high bandwidth, uh, brain to computer interface. Um, and, um, in, in, in, at least the culture books, it's, it's so good that it actually retains all of your memories and kind of brain state. So even if your physical body dies, you can kind of re incorporate it in another physical body and retain, you know, pretty much your

• 19:55Speaker 03

  original memories and, and brain state. Um, so now, I think it's a long way from that. Um, we only just had our first, um, uh, neural link in a human, which is going, is going quite well. Um, the, uh, the first patient is actually able to, uh, control their computer, uh, just by thinking. Like this first, the first, uh, product, uh, we call telepathy, where you can control your computer and phone and through, and through your computer and phone almost anything, just by thinking. You just lie there and think and you can move the, the mouse cursor around the screen and things and play like, you know, the, our

• 20:37Speaker 03

  , we're gonna do, uh, a patient has agreed to do sort of, uh, uh, like, I think a live demo of just, it is quadriplegic, uh, where he literally is just controlling the, the screen. He can like, um, play video games, download software, uh, like really anything you could do with a mouse, um, just by thinking, um, which is pretty wild.

• 21:03Peter Diamandis?

  It, it is, it is pretty wild. Uh, let, let's turn to one last.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  I should, I should say there's a long way to go from that to, uh, a whole brain interface. So our, our current, uh, neural link just has a thousand electrodes. I think ultimately it needs something which, which has, you know, probably a hundred thousand or a million electrodes. Now, these are very tiny, very tiny electrodes. They're tiny wires, way smaller than a human hair. Um, and, um,

• 21:34Speaker 03

  You know, so there's this, I just want to emphasize, a long way from where you're like this today to having a whole brain interface like, like the neural lace in the E. N. Banks novels, but this is definitely physically possible. And, you know, it's sort of kind of like if you can't beat him, join him, you know? So, you know, a human brain, which has a lot of constraints, it's, you know, it's, it's, you only have about, maybe 10 watts of higher brain function. And we do a lot with our little 10 watts. It's not, you know, it's progressive, you know, that we've, we've, we've built a nation

• 22:16Speaker 03

  with such a low-power computer, really.

• 22:20Peter Diamandis?

  It is.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  You know, I sort of think it's like, it's not bad for a bunch of monkeys, you know?

• 22:29Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, getting some good laughs from that. And we've all watched you go from the Roadster to the Model 3 and Y and from Falcon 1 to Starship. So I think going from the first implants to something that's got more capacity, it's just, just a matter of if, not when. Or a matter of when, not if, right? Hey, everyone. I want to take a quick break from this episode to tell you about a health product that I love and that I use every day. In fact, I use it twice a day. It's Seed DS01 Daily Symbiotic. Hopefully by now you understand that your microbiome and your gut health are one of the most important modifiable parts of your health.

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• 24:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, I'll, I'll, like I said, you'll have, uh, like, um, you'll, you'll have, uh, kind of a whole brain interface, uh, that, uh, I, I guess is a sort of, perhaps a form of immortality in, in that, if, if it can, um, uh, kind of upload your brain state, uh, to, you know, if, if your brain state is essentially stored, um, you're kind of backed up on a hard drive, I suppose, um, then, uh, you know, you can always restore that brain state into a, a biological body or, or maybe a robot or something. Um, but I, I want to emphasize again, it's like, you know, many years in the future, but, but

• 25:06Speaker 03

  I, I, we're not breaking any laws of physics. Like, I think this is, this is probably something that will happen. Um, the, the way that we're, we're, we're building digital superintelligence, it may just be that, you know, we'll have digital superintelligence and it'll just solve the, solve the problem for us. Um, but, uh, in the, in the meantime, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll keep progressing with our meat computers and, uh, trying to, trying to do as, do as good a job as possible.

• 25:35Peter Diamandis?

  That's what I was gonna say, the, uh, the, the tools that we have are growing at a super exponential rate that are making our linear projections of the future seem boring in some ways. One last topic, my friend, which is where you and I first connected in the world of space. Congratulations on Starship III. Amazing, amazing flight, just really spectacular. And we all saw Falcon 9 launch from Vandenberg last night, so that was great. And just, again, thankful for the work you're doing. It's fascinating, because I grew up at the late stages of the Apollo and into the shuttle

• 26:20Peter Diamandis?

  program. And I can't imagine that any government would be pushing space as rapidly and dramatically as you are. And so, thank you for what you're doing there. That's all I can say.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Well, I mean, the goal of SpaceX is, it's just a much bigger goal than any government program, which is to rockets and spacecraft that are capable of making life multi-planetary. So, you know, I mean, step one is actually having that as a goal. If you don't have that as a goal, you're definitely not going to achieve it. If you have it as a goal, well, now at least you have a chance of achieving it. And the thing about Starship is, it is the first rocket where making life multi-planetary and building a self-sustaining city on Mars is at least possible.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  It's still obviously an immense amount of work, but it is the first rocket where that is success in making life multi-planetary is at least one of the possible outcomes.

• 27:30Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. I'm wondering if you're willing to venture a guess on when you'll be on the moon?

• 27:41Speaker 03

  I think pretty soon.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  I'd be surprised if it's long than about three years to be landing Starships on the moon.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  And because the rate of progression of Starship is very rapid. You know, we're hoping to do at least another maybe five or six flights this year. And with each successive flight, making significant improvements.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  So I think we got a decent shot of achieving full reusability of both stages of booster and the ship this year. And if not this year, I think, you know, knock on wood, it's like, I think it's a very high probability of achieving full reusability next year, which really is the fundamental breakthrough needed to make life multi-planetary.

• 28:34Peter Diamandis?

  I remember.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  For those that don't know the rocket industry that well, that they may not be aware that this is really the holy grail of rocketry is full and rapid reusability. Because at that point, you're really just constrained by your propellant costs. And Starship, you know, almost 80% of the propellant is liquid oxygen, which is very low cost. And then the fuel is about, there's sort of a little over 20% fuel, which is methane, also the lowest cost fuel. So if you have a full and rapid reusability, then your actual cost per flight of Starship, even though it'll be capable of, we think ultimately 200 tons to orbit,

• 29:23Speaker 03

  will be maybe only 200,000 dollars a flight.

• 29:28Peter Diamandis?

  And Miss, that's 200,000, you said?

• 29:33Peter Diamandis?

  The price of the fuel you said for a Starship flight would be how much?

• 29:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, the, the, the, I mean, if, if, if most things are reusable and with, without refurbishment, then you, or without, you know, you have scheduled maintenance, just like a, an aircraft, but, uh, if, if you get to full usability where there's no, um, no work required between flights, then you, you, you, you then, um, the, the cost, you know, is, is really, uh, you know, the cost of propellant is maybe a million dollars or less

• 30:17Speaker 03

  per flight. Um, so then it's, uh, number of flights, uh, is the main, is what, uh, two million dollars for, for, uh, is, is better than, uh, any car vehicle.

• 30:44Peter Diamandis?

  Hey buddy, listen, I'm so grateful. Thank you for your time today. Thank you for not taking my advice when I tried to get you to fund the original X Prize instead of starting SpaceX. And, uh, and, you know, everybody here in the room has a, what we call a massive transformative purpose and a moonshot. And it's, uh, we're living in a day where people can make a, you know, to use Steve's word, Steve Jobs' words, a dent in the universe, and nobody's making a bigger dent than you. Um, thank you. Thank you for everything. Let's give it up for Elon Musk.

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