Godfrey, comedian and impressionist, shares how he balances controversial jokes with truth, diving into culture, society, and fame through hilarious stories and real-life moments—an unfiltered convo tackling tough topics with honesty and humor.

“Comedy, I compare it chefs, you are going to make what you are going to make and people who are gonna like it, will like it. Can’t worry about it, as long as you know you are a good chef.” Godfrey- Comedian On this powerful and laugh-filled episode of The Pivot Podcast, Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor and Channing Crowder sit down with the one and only Godfrey—comedian, actor, and unapologetic truth-teller. Known for his razor-sharp wit and fearless commentary, Godfrey dives into everything from the evolution of comedy and cancel culture to growing up Nigerian in America and making it in the entertainment industry. Godfrey has been a trailblazer in stand-up for over two decades with his voice becoming a vital force both in comedy and culture. Proud of his Nigerian roots, Godfrey shares stories around his upbringing, importance of education and his family values that helped steer him down an unlikely path of finding success on the stage. In a raw, hilarious, and eye-opening conversation, Godfrey shares personal stories of his journey, reflects on the importance of staying authentic in today’s world, and shares insight into creating viral impressions that have taken social media by storm. Nothing’s off-limits as Godfrey breaks it down with Ryan, Channing, and Fred—bringing laughs, dropping gems, and reminding us why real talk still matters. This episode is a deep dive into the mind of a comic who’s not just funny, but fearless. Tap in to laugh, learn, and understand why Godfrey doesn’t just tell jokes—he tells his truth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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  there's this.

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  Many know Godfrey as a stand-up comic and actor, but the Nigerian-American University of Illinois grad is so much more. Godfrey got his comedic start during a training camp talent show while playing wide-out for the Fighting Illini. Known for his spot-on impersonations of people like Jason Statham, Shannon Sharpe, and Center's director Ryan Coogler, the comedian is also deeply passionate about social and political issues. Whether it's the state of democracy, unfortunately timed IG lives, or women with road rage and IBS, he's always prepared with a thoughtful, yet funny take. But don't expect to see the comedian wearing a dress for your entertainment because there are certain lines he just won't cross. Today, we have a special Juneteenth edition of The Pivot with comedian and actor Godfrey.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  What up, dawg? Chast means in Atlanta Airport.

• 1:18Speaker 03

  What up, dawg?

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Yo, man.

• 1:23Speaker 03

  I was like, yes, I'm about to do this, dawg. Airport. Godfrey, welcome, man.

• 1:29Ryan Clark?

  Pretty T was just talking about the fact that he went to Diddy's parties.

• 1:33Speaker 03

  No, it's not no plural. They always trying to find some Mexican shit. I went to Diddy's parties, though, but not... Plural? Nor... Just like in New York, when New York was dope, like early 2000s, we would go to par... But it was public parties. Right, right. I mean, we went to a Halloween party that was dope and, you know, we would go see Jay-Z. We'd see all this regular club shit. But I never did know after...

• 1:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you feel... Do you feel...

• 1:58Speaker 03

  I wasn't even famous enough to get invited to no free...

• 2:00Ryan Clark?

  I'm about to say, do you feel like let down?

• 2:01Speaker 03

  Nah. No, I ain't into that moist booty ass shit. What I said.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  Hey, hit her. Okay, hit her. Okay. Now, they gonna hit you? I don't [bleep] with moist... Nah, they hit me.

• 2:16Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, they crazy.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  Nah, you had to damn mind fuck.

• 2:19Fred Taylor?

  They used to call me Freaky Fred on this show, but I ain't into the freak call.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Hey, man. It's different kind of freak on your own, but not...

• 2:29Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, one on one.

• 2:50Ryan Clark?

  Whoa, hey, welcome to the pivot.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Take that, take that.

• 2:56Ryan Clark?

  This is Godfrey, this is my boy Freddie T., Channing Crowder, Ryan Clark, pivot fam. Thank you for pivoting with us. I mean, shoot, we just jumped right into it, which is funny, right? Because you talk a lot about being Nigerian.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 3:10Ryan Clark?

  Right? And anytime we have like a first generation African, it's always they were told be doctors, lawyers. Engineers. Right, engineers.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:19Ryan Clark?

  Everything I had to do was go and get an education.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 3:22Ryan Clark?

  And plying that trade.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 3:24Ryan Clark?

  How did comedy work out in your house?

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what's crazy. I went to University of Illinois. I was a pre-med psych major because my father's like, you know, you know, medicine, you have to do engineering, you have to lawyer, you have something to make sure you... You know, they're very, very hardcore on that. That's why a lot of Nigerians you meet are doctors, lawyers, mathematicians, because it's just... or Indians, same. It's like we're parallel, the Indian culture. They're all lawyers, doctors, engineers, because they think that's the ultimate success, is that, nothing else. Like, sports is cool. Even sports, when I played sports, my father said, "That's nice, but if you don't make it..."

• 4:07Speaker 03

  You can be a doctor, see. See, you know, because some people are better than you, so.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  Real, it was, it was true, you know, you play sports, you don't, every, because that's why I admire you pro athletes. Whether you've been doing sports, you get into NFL for a year, or in the Major League Baseball, two or three, to make it there is just, is some of the most difficult, can I say shit? Yeah. Oh, it's the most difficult shit. I just want to make sure, like this, right, and be like, don't ever curse my motherfucking shit. But no, it's the most. I do a show with him. Yeah, bro, you, yeah, yeah, yeah, you, you good. They admire. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, that's why I admire pro athletes, like, you know, because there's a difference between when you're watching a game, and like, if a pro athlete makes a mistake,

• 4:57Speaker 03

  the people in the stands are like, oh, man, how'd he miss that pass? You wouldn't have caught that shit. You know, you're a bum. We're, we're watching people who are better than you, shut up, you know what I'm saying? We, you, you were intermu, you were flag football, mother, shut the up, you know what I mean? So I was always impressed by that, so, I'm glad my parents were very hardcore on the educational thing, because they were right about certain things. I was a pre-med psych major, you know, I'm thinking I'm gonna do psychiatry, that's what I was always into, the brain and human behavior, so that's what I was going for. And then, um, I was thinking about comedy my third year in college, I was like, yeah, I'm thinking, because I played, I walked on the team in Illinois, I did,

• 5:38Speaker 03

  on a bet from my friend, uh, Marlon Primus, he was our free safety. It was the year of Jeff George, John McAvick, what an asshole, John McAvick, I hated that mother. John McAvick, it was Jeff George, uh, Henry Jones, Henry Jones, he played for the Bills. These were, these were the guys I was on the team with, Derrick Brownlow, all of these guys. I walked on the team on a bet, and this dude Marlon, who was one of the most, man, he's one of the most talented dudes I've ever seen in my life, this dude could throw the ball 70 yards, like, he went to Banning High School in, in LA, it was like a number one high school, um, uh, football team. And I remember.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  When I was, we were, we were practicing on the field, I was wide receiver, right? So he, so he was throwing the ball, I said damn, he was a free safety, I said damn. I said, you could, how the fuck you threw, you, are you a quarterback? He said, yeah, but he taught, he said cuz a lot. I didn't understand cuz, cuz I'm from Chicago, so he'd be like this. He's like, man, shit cuz, I controlled, shit cuz, I'm the quarterback cuz. It was the, you know, all that cuz, it's like, he says, yeah, I said, but why, why weren't you, why couldn't you be a quarterback? He says, they don't let. It's be quarterbacks, man, Illinois don't want no black quarterbacks. He kept that, they didn't, in Illinois, at the time, they didn't want black quarterbacks. You know, yeah, they didn't allow, they, they converted all the guys that could be quarterbacks into defensive guys, which I.

• 7:05Ryan Clark?

  But it was that, it was that time and era in football where if you played quarterback, but you were fast and you could move, we're gonna put you at wide receiver, we're gonna put you at defensive back.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:15Ryan Clark?

  Happened to Lamar, Lamar had those conversations.

• 7:17Fred Taylor?

  You can look at the University of Florida too, not until Chris Lee pulled up, I don't believe we had a.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  And a lot of the black quarterbacks were like option quarterbacks, a lot of time, like what's his name from the Sooners?

• 7:28Ryan Clark?

  Frazier from Nebraska.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, Nebraska.

• 7:30Ryan Clark?

  Holloway.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  Holloway, it was Holloway, he would always, it was toss it, run, toss, run, toss. And that's, we, we weren't known to be in the pocket or none of that, and it was all white guys. Look, cuz we had Jeff George who was phenomenal.

• 7:43Ryan Clark?

  He could really throw it.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Man, phenomenal, but there were, we had black dudes that were like quarterbacks and we did, and that was, that, I, I learned a lot just walking on the team, I learned a lot, but then I was, I remember, I, I think you guys do this, you had to have a talent show.

• 8:01Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  All, cuz they shaved your head when you were, right, rookies, they shaved your head and they made you do a talent show. So I did a talent, I did the talent show, so I was imitating like our coaches and shit like that. I kinda took it over, I took it over, and so in my head, I was like, man, I was thinking about stand up, cuz I always wanted to do stand up when I was in college because I used to hold court in the cafeteria. But then, I was really militant at the same time. So you're talking about, this is the Spike Lee movies, this is Malcolm X days, this is Public Enemy. I'm listening to Charis One and all this conscious rap. And we started an African-American Studies Book Club at the Cultural Center, even though the university was trying to shut us down.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  So there was a lot of racist shit happening on campus. So I was into black activism and shit like that. We brought people like Sister Soldier to our school. Stokely Carmichael, when he was Kwame Ture. This lady by the name of Frances Cress Welser, who wrote this book, The ISIS Papers. So we brought all these people in. We brought in Daruba Ben Wahad, who was members of the Black Panther Party, which Tupac Shakur's mom. He's in that documentary. So we were, I was militant as shit, like. And being in Chicago, I would go to the South Side to see Minister Farrakhan. So I was 18, going to Savior's Day. So I was that, like. And this is a predominantly white university, so I was angry every day.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? I was angry, but I was funny, so I would incorporate, like, you know, racism and comedy. I said, yo, I should do this shit, like, because I felt, like, because I had a lot of funny friends, right? You have a lot of funny friends. People say, why do you do comedy? Well, because I'm funny. I said, nah, I'm funny, I got no funny dudes, but I have something to say, though. I said, this will be a chance for me to talk shit and talk about the system. Through comedy, I could do that, like Richard Pryor did it, like Paul Mooney did it. George Carlin, I said, I could do it like that. When I started finishing up college, when I got back to Chicago, I started doing open mics. And I didn't tell my parents, I didn't tell my dad, I told my sister caught me at a show, like, some open mic shit. I'm just in the hallway, getting ready to go up.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  My sister's in the hallway, like, what the fuck you doing here? I said, what the fuck you doing here? She said, you doing comedy? I said, yeah, don't tell dad, shut up, don't tell. She told him. And then, I remember the day, my first couple of weeks of doing comedy, my father came down, because I stayed in the basement of the house, the basement room. That's when you're a dude, you like the basement because you can sneak, you know what I'm talking about? So, my father comes down, so he says, God tree. Get to, get to, I said, hey, what's up? I'm thinking he's going to ask me to do some regular shit. He says, so, eh. Your sister told me that you're doing this comedy thing. I say, uh, yeah, doing the comedy thing. But I thought you wanted to go to medical school.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  I say, yeah, I do, but I don't try this comedy thing. He said, okay, but you know, if you don't do good at it, just continue.

• 11:09Ryan Clark?

  It's always you could be a doctor if that don't work.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  If that doesn't work. And I was like, I'm not falling back on this shit. And I had odd jobs. I was working at a grocery store. We were all grocery store kids, my brother, my sister. So I was working at the grocery store and I started to cut my hours because I wanted to keep doing this comedy shit. Got my degree in psychology, boom, done, I finished that. And I just went straight ahead, you know? And things started working out, you know? I booked some commercials and, you know what I'm saying? I was making a little money. I remember I booked a McDonald's commercial. That was like a big ass deal.

• 11:41Ryan Clark?

  Damn, uh, 7-Up. I remember your black ass.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  This is before 7-Up. See, I'm still in Chicago before I moved to New York. So I'm like, I booked a commercial McDonald's and back then you was getting money. I was like, what? So then I was able to move out the house, get my own place. My father's like, you know, this is good.

• 12:01Speaker 03

  I like, you know, it was all about supporting yourself and being successful. And from there, moved to New York City, started doing the New York circuit. This is during the Def Jam days. Def Jam, this is when I ran into Bill Bellamy and Chappelle and Tracy Morgan and, you know what I'm saying? And I'm coming to New York, a Chicago guy, you know? Because I started in Chicago in Bernie Mac's club. Bernie Mac had a club, his Cotton Club in Chicago. That was like the premier black comedy place was Bernie Mac, Monday nights with his band and shit. You know, it was amateur night and Bernie was the host. It was me, you know, Corey Holcomb, D-Ray Davis, you know, it was all the...

• 12:44Speaker 03

  And that's how I met Cedric the Entertainer because he was from St. Louis. Mike Epps from Indianapolis. So we all Midwest dudes. That's how I met everybody. Mark Curry, JB, I met everybody. I was like, yeah, this is it. Because Bernie took me under his wing, you know what I'm saying? Bernie took me under his wing. This is when the Bulls were winning. This, so you know, Mike...

• 13:02Ryan Clark?

  How hard is it though for you, right? Because you talk about the psychology degree.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:07Ryan Clark?

  Right? And you say you have stuff to say. You talk about being militant.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  Militant.

• 13:11Ryan Clark?

  And social media lets us see all of those things.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:15Ryan Clark?

  But it's difficult sometimes to be...

• 13:19Ryan Clark?

  That funny, to be funny enough where people like it.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:23Ryan Clark?

  And also be authentically enough yourself to show that comedy and intelligence can mix. How hard is that for you to continue to incorporate?

• 13:33Speaker 03

  It's very easy for me, cuz I always, I was, I'm used to talking like that. But I'm used to being funny with it, you know what I mean? There's some comedians that won't take that. I took the hard road, you know, because sometimes, like Paul Moody was one of my favorites because when white people would walk, white people would leave the room. And Paul Moody was like, "White folks can't handle when a nigga's smart." You know what I mean? Anytime white people leave, he's like, "Oh, there they go, white folks leaving again." You know? But I, I love that. Because a lot of times, white people would leave off of honesty and truth. Like, you're leaving off of this man's pain, which is unfair.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  That's why we can never get anywhere, because you're always leaving when there's a real conversation happening. But I've seen people stay still when a dude's saying the word. Go all day. Just doing like buffoonish ass. You guys are just clapping, but when somebody talks about, like, I do a joke like, I say, "Man, it's so funny because the banjo is an African instrument. It's an African instrument, and these hillbillies love the banjo." That's weird.

• 14:43Speaker 03

  And it's African. I go, "Why don't you pick your own instrument? Why are you using black people's shit for white supremacy? That's white mediocrity to me, right? I wish I could just go to a Klan meeting. Of course, I wouldn't be invited, but if I could disguise myself into a Klan meeting and just go, "Excuse me, can we have our instrument back?" But that's the kind of shit, you are infiltrating like Clayton Bigsby. You are infiltrating like Clayton Bigsby.

• 15:08Channing Crowder?

  Hey, bro, I love the devil went down to Georgia is one of my favorite songs.

• 15:12Ryan Clark?

  But does it water down your message? The comedy of it?

• 15:15Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 15:16Ryan Clark?

  But it got you because it's in a, anything you say in a joke away, cuz I mess, I joke around a lot. I mess around a lot.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Yes, of course, yeah.

• 15:22Ryan Clark?

  But, like, you're, you're bringing up, you know...

• 15:25Channing Crowder?

  The, the black activist.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:27Channing Crowder?

  But you up there bullshitting.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  I'm bullshitting because that's a, you gotta lighten it up for people to get the, Richard Pryor was a king of that shit. Like, Richard Pryor said, um, a lot of times when you go to court, you're looking for justice and that's all you see is just us. You, you get that?

• 15:43Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  The black, and that's the way to, you know what I mean? That's the way to kind of make it palatable, to, to bring a message. Cause I could, I mean, I could be one of those Malcolm X dudes and just speak on a podium, but I was a funny dude, too, you know what I mean? And it's, it's a tough message and I, and I for myself don't wanna be that angry, but I was angry enough where I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do this joke in front of these, and I'll do it in front of majority white crowds, I don't give a shit. When they're just like, goddammit, I didn't appreciate you fucking just talking about.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  What I do is, because I can change my voice, I go, this will be neutralizing. I'm not gonna talk about his politics, I just do whatever I see him say. I'll just, like, he's talked about stage nine cancer. There's no such thing. So I go, he has stage nine cancer and it's so bad. I can't believe it's stage nine, it's bad. Stage 10 gets really bad. I've had stage 20 and I was able to survive, cause my cells are very different.

• 16:41Ryan Clark?

  But the question, but to, to Channing's question, though, right? And I deal with this.

• 16:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:48Ryan Clark?

  In the media.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 16:49Ryan Clark?

  When you stand up and you say certain things, there is a section of people that will not only push back, but shed off to you, right? And say, because in this one moment, you mentioned a certain thing or joked about a certain thing.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:06Ryan Clark?

  This is the whole of you. And if that's who you are, I'm, I'm done with it, right? In comedy, it's about having people wanting to come listen to you, wanting to see you.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:16Ryan Clark?

  How do you deal with the balance of saying, okay, I don't need those people in order to make sure I'm doing what I want to do?

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Comedy is like, man. I can maybe compare it to chefs. You gonna make what you make and the people that don't like it, they don't like it. You can't worry about that, as long as you know you're a good chef. Cause you can be the best chef on the planet, but some people just don't like your shit. It is what it is. Comedy is an art form of words, man. Comedy comes from pain. It doesn't, that's why black people are the funniest. Cause we get shit on the most. That's just facts. We do, whether it's African, Caribbean, all around the world. It's like, I say we're the most famous people. Cause we run rent free in people's heads. I mean, you got people online that are wearing blackface and making fun of black people just out of nowhere. They never met black people, but they just decide, let's just make fun of black people.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Or you got people copying us. You know, every time I see some Asian dude pop locking a... It's something black. It's like, or I see a, I see a white couple doing some Afrobeat shit. We run rent free in everybody's head, cause we're the coolest motherfuckers on the planet. Period. Our, our culture is the best. It's the best. All of that shit, cause you don't see black dudes driving around, listening to Indian music.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  They're driving around listening to Jay-Z and Beyonce. They're listening to our shit. You ever see black dudes going, yo, turn that up?

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Yo, that's my shit right there.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Fuck no. Every time I see them playing hip-hop out of their song, out of their shit. Ain't nobody listening to their shit. They listening to our shit. All of American music is black created, period. Country is black. The bullshit. It's all, if you know your history, it's just, but it's just, it's not a magic potion. It's facts. It's just...

• 19:11Channing Crowder?

  I agree with you. But as a businessman, and you're your own business, you don't have franchises. Are you cutting out consumers?

• 19:22Speaker 03

  I don't think so. I, I think that, my thing is, the way I do it is, I'm not coming from a point of I hate people. Cause my friends are from every walk of life. And you know, some of my friends be like, "You seem like you hate white people." It's like, you're my friend. Now, you're sitting in my house. How do I hate? I don't, I just don't like, there's some white people that are horrible. And I just called them out. What's the big deal? You're calling us the N-word for no reason. I was called, listen, racism, I didn't wake up wanting racism. I was walking down the street by my business. Call me, call me the N-word. You know, you know how white dudes drive by, "You fuck nigger." Except, that's what happened. That's how I ran into it. I thought they were mispronouncing Nigerian. I didn't know. I was like, "It's a soft G, bro, soft G."

• 20:07Speaker 03

  You see what, but you see how that's funny? How I made it funny off of my pain. Someone called me the N-word. Yeah. They called me the N-word. But that's how I make it funny, cuz I, we could be going around taking people's heads off if we wanted to. If we look at the history of how we've been treated, we should be taking their heads off every fucking day. Every day, we should be punching them in the face. But we don't do that cuz we're not like that. But, but that fear, that's, the deflection is, "Oh, you don't like white..." I said, "No one said that. I don't, there's specific people." I judge people by content of character. We all do. You know that. We're the most accepting people on the planet. Yeah. You know, until you do something fucked up to us. Like, you see some people, like, okay, Michael Richards. You know, Kramer.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  Kramer from Seinfeld, when he did that whole nigger rant. I, I was with him a week before that. I did a show with him in, in LA at The Laugh Factory. And I've talked to him. He's a very strange guy. He's like Kramer. You know, he's like, "Oh, my, you're very funny." I was with him. "Yeah, man, yeah, you're so intelligent and quick." That's how he talks. So, one day, I was hosting a show. He was on it. He was bombing. Old white lady said, it was pretty funny. She goes, "You're funnier on Seinfeld." And he goes, "You fucking bitch." He just went off, snapped, cursed her out. So, the next week, he went off on some black people.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  And he called them the N-word. He was just, he was just trying to shock them. I get it. I know he doesn't have a bad heart, you know what I'm saying? But, we still forgave him because I heard in the streets in New York, people were like, "Man..." I love Kramer though, man. That was one of my favorite characters because he was like an outsider. He disappointed us, man. That's how we will accept you. And then when you hear somebody going off doing the N-word shit, you disappointed. Like Drew Brees when he was doing all that shit, you go like, you played in the NFL, but all your teammates are black? And then you turn, now that you out of the NFL, now you're a fucking right-winger now? I know some comics that I've known for years that I was always cool with, they in the woods now calling people all day. They're just in the woods going, "Nah, nah, nah."

• 22:15Speaker 03

  I was like, "Wait a minute, but y'all thought you was cool." You understand? So, a lot of these, we're accepting of everybody. We believe in content of character. So, when you just are racist and I'm calling you out, why are you, why are you getting mad at me? Because I'm not giving you that stereotype. I'm not giving you that shit. All that.

• 22:38Ryan Clark?

  Read one of your recent posts, I mean, I don't know how far back it is, you know how stuff comes up, is, uh, it's the Catholics and you were talking about just religion. You know, you said you grew up Catholic.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  It was Episcopalian, didn't know, it's like second string Catholic. It's the same shit, but you just don't get the chip.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  You know, the little body of Christ.

• 22:59Ryan Clark?

  What is, what, what is sort of your relationship with religion then? Because you, in, in, in hearing you talk about it, it's from a very pessimistic point of, it feels like a very pessimistic point of view.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  I don't get mad at people that are atheists. Because an atheist actually believed in God at one time, the concept of God. They did. They, they obviously believed in God first and then they saw a lot of the stuff that was like, this isn't making sense. If, why is God letting this happen to me? If I'm supposed to believe in God, why is he letting all this happen to me? Why did he let slavery happen? Why did he let this, you know? I understand, and there's, and, and, first of all, Nigerians are God-fearing. I have God in my name. Godfrey. My middle name is Chukuma. That means God knows all. Danchima, my last name, it's all Nigerian, everything is about God. And my father, my father always said, believe in, just always believe in your God, always.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  My mother, believe in God, just. My father would always say, with God's grace. My father used to say small shit like, you know, I have to go to the store, but with God's grace. We have God's grace, the store is open, it's right. Everything was about God, he said, the store is open, you got five hours left for the store. But I always had a, believed in a higher power. But the Catholic school that I, I was 12 years Catholic school, anybody? Catholic school?

• 24:23Ryan Clark?

  Catholic school.

• 24:24Speaker 03

  Catholic. There was a lot of weird shit going on. Some of the priests were weirdos. You know what I'm saying? Something was like, there was real funky ass shit happening. And I was like, what? This is, this is making sense. And my, my brother was an altar boy for a while and he, he quit because there was some weird shit going on. Like, yeah. And you know, the, the office, the office, the priest's office in a Catholic school is called a rectory. Okay? It's called a rectory. No, that's the priest in the back of the school. It's in the back. It's called a rectory.

• 24:59Ryan Clark?

  Catch him.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna stay right there. Look up the word rectory. A rectory is the.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  In the back.

• 25:08Ryan Clark?

  And that's what, that's what.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Of the school. I was like, yo, this is a right here.

• 25:13Ryan Clark?

  Got to get out of here.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  And any priest that decides not to ever marry is weird to me. You should be, I think a priest that gets married would be good. A marriage to a, I think that's what, to never get married, that's weird. And then that's why you start hearing all this weird stuff that happens. I go, it's not natural to never be with somebody. That's, you know what I mean? All that.

• 25:39Speaker 03

  That's weird, man. I think it balls a heavy assignment.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  This, yeah, listen.

• 25:47Ryan Clark?

  No, no, no.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  I, I, I am trying to listen, but this is. I'm trying to figure out, I'm like, man, and I've done this a lot. We've had a lot of shows, right? And normally I'm like, okay.

• 25:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you're very.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  How do I get them to go this way? And no matter what, it's like, I got one for you.

• 26:04Ryan Clark?

  What?

• 26:05Speaker 03

  You say Jason Statham always acts in movies.

• 26:09Ryan Clark?

  Nah, wait, hold on, let's finish this Catholic thing.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  I'm not, listen. I, listen, I've gone to different churches, I've been invited to synagogues, mosques, all that. Regardless of the religion, we're all trying to, it's all one God, right?

• 26:25Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  My thing is, I like taking, even when I was Nation of Islam, I know a lot of people from Nation of Islam. I have friends that protect the minister, they, they, they come to my shows. But, there's some things I don't agree with on their thing. There's some things I don't agree, my friends that are Arab. I go, "That's cool, I don't agree with you on that." You know, because there's a lot of hypocrisy. Like, in New York, you got a lot of Muslim cab drivers that won't pick up black people. I'm like, "You're a Muslim, you know, you're Muslim and you don't pick up black people." I think that's a little strange, you know? You have African Muslims that won't pick up black people. So you praying five times, that's a lot of praying for you not to pick up a black person.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  What, what, I mean, what are you doing going, "Don't pick up black people, don't pick," I don't, I don't know.

• 27:13Ryan Clark?

  I don't think that's, I don't think that's, I don't think that's a prayer you pray to Allah.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, but if you are a man of God, and God is not supposed to judge anyone, why are you driving past black people and not picking them up, sir? So there's a lot of hypocrisy. Fear of what? If you, if you have Allah, you have God, Yahweh in your life, what are you afraid of? Say, "God gives me no fear," then why are you afraid of picking up a black person?

• 27:41Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  And I'm not saying to all do that at all, no. But thank God Uber came, because Uber started taking money out of their pockets. So now they're, now I get followed by cabs. "You look tired, brother."

• 27:53Speaker 03

  "Your legs look tired, come."

• 27:56Speaker 03

  "Now you want to pick me up," because the money got taken away. Because it's all economics to me. All of this shit is, is all money. Religion is money, that's why I want to open up a church. Comedy, I want that, real money.

• 28:10Channing Crowder?

  They got, they got private jets.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  I want, I want to be like Creeple O'Dollar in Teenage Jinx.

• 28:15Channing Crowder?

  With the jets and all that.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying? I want to have a private jet. And my, my, my, my congregation said, "Pastor?" I say, "Yes." "I have a list, yes."

• 28:25Channing Crowder?

  Why you got a list?

• 28:26Speaker 03

  I don't know. Yes?

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Why do you have a private jet? It's like, how am I supposed to talk to Jesus with all these people in commercial? Nah, Jesus wants to talk to me one-on-one, so I need that private jet.

• 28:40Ryan Clark?

  I don't think you need a private jet to talk to Jesus.

• 28:43Fred Taylor?

  That private jet gets you loose. But no, I wanna go back to the Nigerian side, right?

• 28:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 28:47Fred Taylor?

  I know about Jollof rice.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 28:50Fred Taylor?

  Right, that's like one of the bigger dishes.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, it's very popular.

• 28:53Fred Taylor?

  But I wanna know about pounded yam.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Poundy yam, yeah.

• 28:57Fred Taylor?

  Cause I like to pound some yams.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Oh wow.

• 29:01Fred Taylor?

  What is pounded yam?

• 29:02Speaker 03

  Wow, that was awesome. I liked it.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  I like pounding some yams. And I like that fufu, you feel me? I like that a goosey. So, what I wanna say.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  I like pounding me some yams. I wanna know, alright Jim Brown.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  I like pounding yams, but I wanna like know about the pounding yams. Cause I pound some motherfucking yams. And the fufu, I put the fufu. I love how you're using the wordplay, it's hilarious. You're sounding like an action hero from the 70s. Hey man, your pounding yams, I like pounding yams. I wanna know about your pounding yams. Shut your mouth.

• 29:43Fred Taylor?

  For real though.

• 29:44Ryan Clark?

  He turned you into Shaaf too.

• 29:47Ryan Clark?

  And Freddie T, somewhere in there, you turned from a football player, you went to Jim Brown, to Shaaf. None of these people done anything past the 70s, but you're all those people.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  I just feel like, yeah, I love pounding yams.

• 30:01Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, no, but what is pounded yams though, for real?

• 30:04Speaker 03

  It's like you, it's like you, it's mashed up yams, you pounded yams. It's like yams mashed up.

• 30:10Fred Taylor?

  So you gotta mash the yams.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  You gotta mash the yams, baby. You smash the yams. But this is, you mashing the yams, right?

• 30:21Speaker 03

  You've eaten it, right? You've eaten the food?

• 30:23Fred Taylor?

  I have.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 30:25Fred Taylor?

  I thought you asked me if I ever ate some yams. I've had yams.

• 30:28Speaker 03

  God damn, I eat some yams. From behind, I eat the yams from behind.

• 30:34Ryan Clark?

  Why you keep going to the 70s? What is wrong with you?

• 30:37Fred Taylor?

  I like candied yam.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  I like, I candy yam, put the honey on the ass. That'd be candy yam. Yeah, I be all up, you know me.

• 30:46Fred Taylor?

  So, you're gonna have to pray, so now we're talking about prayer, excuse me? Nah, we, we, nah, I'm going back to church. Nah, nah, we gotta pray. We gotta go to church.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 30:56Fred Taylor?

  And because you got, you impersonate, you impersonate so many different people.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 31:01Fred Taylor?

  So let's say you did something wow.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:03Fred Taylor?

  Probably, probably was that hanging out with Diddy too long, it's anybody.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 31:08Fred Taylor?

  I'm saying something crazy, you gotta pray, now you gotta get into heaven.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:11Fred Taylor?

  And whose voice would you use to try to convince God to let you in? Like Denzel, Shay Shay.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 31:19Fred Taylor?

  Steve Harvey.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Maybe not Shay Shay right now.

• 31:21Channing Crowder?

  You ain't getting, you ain't getting into heaven with what's going on now.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  No, you can't, you can't talk about.

• 31:25Fred Taylor?

  Cause I've seen.

• 31:27Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I mean, you did the show, I'm just saying.

• 31:29Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  If I was Shannon, I'd be like, um, listen, Lord, I know, um, there's a lot of things that, you know, I've done that I'm ashamed of. But being in NFL for as long as I have been, we have to skip all the things that we've been doing. So I just feel that nobody's perfect. And, um, like my grandmama said, if you were told you better come out the water, what? You ain't getting in, Shannon. No one understands what your grandmother says. He's like, he's like, you can't get in. Oh, come on, man. You gotta let me in. Come on, man. No, man. I thought you gonna forgive me, Lord. I thought you gonna forgive me. Lakers in five.

• 32:16Fred Taylor?

  But Denzel gotta be the smoothest though, right?

• 32:18Speaker 03

  I met him a few, I met him like four times, man. Cause, you know, Denzel was, I, I met him during the training day, days, you know, at a party, man. And he was, he was cool. He's like, all right, so, uh, so are you a comedian, right? Yeah, all right. You gonna, you gonna, you gotta put in the work. Gotta put in the work. And he walks off. Like, that's it. He just, but he was, we were at something, but he spoke to me.

• 32:43Ryan Clark?

  What about, what about his running with the photographer though?

• 32:45Speaker 03

  That was great.

• 32:46Ryan Clark?

  So, so when you're, but when you're Denzel, you obviously know there is a different sort of microscope, microscope on everything.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 32:55Ryan Clark?

  You do.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 32:56Ryan Clark?

  Right? You think about the, the high visibility of the moment. The, the reaction.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:03Ryan Clark?

  As someone who is in that business, obviously he's in a different stratosphere from everyone. What does it say that he feels like in that moment, that is the correct reaction?

• 33:15Speaker 03

  Denzel is the greatest actor walking the planet. I model myself after a guy like himself. Cause he can look back and look at all his body of work and go, yeah, I can go to sleep. You know, there's some cats I admire, but there's some things I would be like, nah, I wouldn't do that. Nah, to get to here. Cause there's certain things people want you to do as a black man to get to certain levels. And there's some, I go, nah, I don't really like what he's doing to get there. Denzel is a good model for me, or Samuel Jackson, that he keeps his manhood, you know? He keeps his black manhood, which is tough, you know? And he's so good that, well, he should have five Oscars personally.

• 33:55Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 33:55Speaker 03

  Man on Fire, John Q, Malcolm X. I think they purposely limited him so just to say, oh, well, that's just all.

• 34:03Ryan Clark?

  He's been nominated every decade. I think he won Supporting for Glory though.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  Yes, Glory, you got Supporting Actor.

• 34:08Ryan Clark?

  And he was Lead Actor.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Lead Actor, I mean, he did Stephen Biko, he did, I mean, he had, he, he's old. I think they just do a back order Oscars ceremony. People we apologize to f-ing up, like, yo, Denzel, we owe you like three more. Are you saying Man on Fire, are you kidding me?

• 34:24Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  See what he's done with Equalizer? What you talking about? Like, what? Oscar award winning in an action film. I mean, John Q, Hurricane, he got snubbed. For Hurricane, like, but I think that the fact that he's at a, he's at that level, he can check people. You know, he can check people, say, no, you don't touch me like that. I'm not no fucking clown. I love that shit. He's for money earning Mal Vernon. What you talking about? I want that kind of feeling. And it's, it might be a harder road, but if you're not built for the sucker shit, you're not built for sucker shit. I'm not built to be a clown. I, I'm like being silly. It's a different, but what were you gonna say? Well, I was gonna say, have you turned down roles? You sure?

• 35:09Speaker 03

  That not, but you regret turning down that role? No, there's some roles I go, they, they be like, here, there's this role. This is their characteristic. I go, ah, no, I'm not good with that. I'm not comfortable with that one. You know, and now, and I'll, and, and I know people, some casting directors will ask, well, why? And I'll explain it to them and they go, damn, that, I, I appreciate you telling me that. I go, yeah, I'd rather do this. Why can't, I wanna do that, that cool shit right there. Why can't I do that? I grew up. You know, looking up to Jim Brown's and the Richard Roundtree's. I looked up to these Bruce Lee, who always fought for his rights, who always fought for civil rights. Bruce Lee tried to be a leading man, and they didn't like him because he was Chinese.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  You remember, there was a show called Kung Fu back in the day. That was Bruce Lee's, he wrote that, Way of the Warrior. But they gave it to David Carradine, a white dude, and slanted his eyes. They were like, no, you can't be a Lee because you're Chinese. So David Carradine took his story. Bruce Lee fought for Chinese respect. You know, Bruce Lee, every black dude loves Bruce Lee, you know? Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, these were my heroes. These were bad dudes like that kept their manhood. I, I, that's me, like, even though there's always a big controversy about would you put on a dress? Now, if Hollywood started out equally, where black people weren't wearing blackface and buffooning, maybe if you wore a dress, it would be an artistic thing. Because there are actors that, that play women.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  They do it in Japan. They have a theater in Japan called No. Tyler Perry. He does it all the time. But that's Tyler Perry, and I'm not, I don't want to wear a dress. I'm not, that's just me, though. Anybody else that does it and does it well, that's their business. I don't know if it takes away from their manhood, but I know from the history of, I just go by the history of Hollywood. On, you know, Sidney Poitier was where we had some, a little bit of dignity. First person to win an Oscar, other than Hattie McDaniel, was first black woman to win an Oscar from Gone with the Wind. But she wasn't even allowed to eat dinner after she won. She had to wait in the kitchen. Understand? She had to wait in the kitchen when she won her Oscar, you know? And Clark Gable came over to her and apologized and said, I'm sorry.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Because Clark Gable was black. You know, he's black and Native American, but he passed as a white guy. In a stand, they call them dark gable in the black community. That's facts. I just, I'm just into history and history, history is very important. You know, when people, we're the probably the one main race that is always told to move on. We're always told to move on. We have moved on. We've caught up to people when we were told it was illegal for black people to read. But we're beating you in education now. What are you talking about move on? You're so, you're the ones that are, we're beating you. Black women have the highest degrees in education. But we weren't told to read. It was illegal for black people to read.

• 38:01Ryan Clark?

  All of this knowledge, right? Because people say ignorance is bliss.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Right, it's true.

• 38:07Ryan Clark?

  Ignorance is bliss. How much does having all of the knowledge of history weigh on you? Because if you didn't have this knowledge or you didn't have this connection to certain things, there may be a role that you could kill that could elevate your career that you might do.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Very true.

• 38:26Ryan Clark?

  But with having that knowledge and now that not sitting right in your heart, that not sitting right in your head, you're passing up on things that I'm sure agents or representation are like, hey, man, you gotta go do this. If you do this, now what you're filming on June 12th or whenever it is, there's gonna be more people there, there's gonna be a diverse group. Like, how, how much does the knowledge sort of hold you back in some sense?

• 38:51Speaker 03

  I don't think it does. I love knowing shit. I just, I just like knowing it. I just, you know, James Baldwin said, a conscious man is almost a doomed man. And I, oh, well, I just, you know, it's too late. I've been like this since I was 17. I was reading a lot. I was like, oh, let me just start reading and stuff. It was, it was infuriating. Sometimes you're like, damn, you know? You know, when you look at, oh, why is the wealth gap for black people? Why is it, you know, why is it so far? How come black people don't own anything? Well. There's a book that a white man wrote called The Color of Law, and why they purposely redlined black people from owning houses.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  They purposely, it was in the law to not sell to African Americans. You see how they act now, how they depreciate when they're selling to black families, they, you know, they... But how, where does this come from? Oh, it comes from here. Building highways in the middle of black neighborhoods so that black people couldn't build houses? This is all facts. Or they put black neighborhoods on toxic waste dumps. And then black people get cancer. This is happening. You, I need to know about this kind of shit. So if I go and buy a house, I go, oh, I know it, don't, don't be... I know this is... Yeah, but, but history's important. But the problem is, is our history is, just whether it's African colonialism, is so atrocious that they don't want to hear that shit. Well, you shouldn't have acted like that. But how about this?

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Why don't you let it help you and don't be like that? The edge, that's... So if you go to a doctor's office, what's the first thing they pull out? When you come to the doctor's office, you sitting down, what do they do? What do they bring out? Your medical history. What do they make you fill out? Your medical history, they make you fill out, does your family have... They write their pages of that shit. Because that's how they assess your health now. It's no different than anything else. When you guys were playing ball, what do they talk about? You know, the announcers always talk about your past. Well, as you can see, last week he had a pulled hamstring, but now he's doing much better. They talk, they talking about the past all the time. Last week he was two for three, now he, you know, has five, I don't know. It's always the past. That's how you assess what's going on.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  Now, all you guys talk about sports, you're talking about past shit. You go, he was there, he was recruited there, then he got traded. But when it comes to us, we're the only people, they go, just move on. No, we're moving on, we're actually moving on. Motherf**king owning businesses even though you barely give anybody loans. Every people are moving, black people are moving on. You're the ones in the old adage of we can't do shit. You're the ones that haven't moved on. Cause you still think we're not human. I'm not saying every white person's like that, cause it's not true. Cause there are, if you look online, there are white people spit spitting knowledge about African American. There's a lot of allies, for real. But in the consensus of you're still calling people names online.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  You're still monkey noises and just dumb shit like that. That's old. You haven't moved on.

• 41:49Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  You haven't. Cause the racial, you got young kids using racial slurs. You haven't moved on, cause you're teaching your kids this old adage bullshit. You understand? I would love to go on stage one day and do some racial shit and people go, hey man, we don't do that anymore. Oh, great. So my shit is antiquated, this is great, but racism is so, my nephews experienced that shit. You feel me?

• 42:13Channing Crowder?

  How do we really move the bar though?

• 42:15Speaker 03

  We just keep doing what we're doing.

• 42:17Channing Crowder?

  We understand, we know and marginalized and we know about the red light. Things you're talking about, we know about all that stuff, but how like do we really move the bar? Because you're, you're extremely passionate about it.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:27Channing Crowder?

  And you, you really speak on it, you know, I won't say daily, but weekly, like you know.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  With humor, with humor.

• 42:33Channing Crowder?

  You speak about it with humor, but are we moving the bar? Are we making, are we making any change?

• 42:38Speaker 03

  I think so. Well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of comics that still do old ass shit, old jokes. They haven't moved on. They even, even their racial jokes are not updated. Sometimes I tell people, update your racism, man. Update it. You can be racist, but update it. Be smarter.

• 42:55Channing Crowder?

  Stop talking about watermelon, we, we already understand.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  First of all, white people eat watermelon than we do. So, I don't even fucking talk about it. It's actually just a tasty fruit.

• 43:03Channing Crowder?

  It's delicious. You can't tell me fried, you can't tell me fried chicken is, is the best way to eat a chicken.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  But fried chicken, but, but watermelon was grown, well, it was, it was a delicacy. And then white folks started eating it again. Like, we want that too. But then they clowned black people as in that's all we ate while they were eating it. Like, you know, they, they compare us to. You guys love chicken. I go, you eat more chicken than us. There are more whites in America.

• 43:28Ryan Clark?

  They definitely keep KFC open.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 43:31Ryan Clark?

  I'm a Popeyes guy.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  But pound for.

• 43:33Ryan Clark?

  I'm a Popeyes guy.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Y'all can't put no salt or nothing on this goddamn chicken. But fried chicken, look who's making chicken now. Korean fried chicken.

• 43:40Ryan Clark?

  Very good.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Because the soldiers in Korea, the black soldiers, taught them how to fry chicken. That's where it comes from. But everybody's eating that. But see, they make fun of us first, they wait, and then they start to copy. And then they go, you guys invented, you used to make fun of us. Lips, look at, mm, they used to clown this shit. Now, white girls look like Donald Duck now.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Get out of here.

• 44:07Ryan Clark?

  Let me tell you what, this is gonna be a, this is gonna be a great, this is gonna be a great show for the 10 of us to know happened. Hey, they gonna be like, hey, Paul gonna hit us up one day and be like, man, you remember that show y'all did with Godfrey?

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Wait, is this, is this canceled?

• 44:22Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna be like, it's up.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  No, I'm saying. I'm saying all of this shit that was made fun of, I mean, they used to make fun of us. You know what? Big Lips this, that, and now everybody's bonging their, they used to make fun of us.

• 44:35Ryan Clark?

  I saw you do something cool about Sinners. You were replying to a person who I don't talk about on this show, so I'm not gonna allow you to talk about it.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 44:42Ryan Clark?

  But part of that movie that was extremely cool was some of the references throughout history that connected our culture to other people.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:54Ryan Clark?

  Right? It wasn't a coincidence that the people that helped them were of Chinese descent. And the reason that was, was because that was part of the actual history.

• 45:04Speaker 03

  That's right, it's real.

• 45:05Ryan Clark?

  Of ours, right? And so when you watch something like Sinners that connects art to history in such a beautiful way, and then see some of the hate that it gets to oppose its greatness.

• 45:21Ryan Clark?

  What does that say about what still needs to change in even the Hollywood culture of understanding?

• 45:29Speaker 03

  All it takes is you got to see us as human beings. Once you see people as humanity, you start to change. It's like, I like to compare it to rats. Like, when you see a rat, you're like, "Oh shit, a rat." But I know people who have pet rats and go, "Oh my god." They see it as an animal. It's an animal. It's, all it is is an animal. You see it as a rodent, so you don't give a shit what happens to it. You're like, "Man, I'd kill that shit." That's how they, some people see us. They just don't see us as human beings. You know, we were three-fifths human in the Constitution.

• 45:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  So, think about that. When people see you as that, they don't give a what happens to you. They don't care what happens to a George Floyd. They don't care what happens to a black woman being beat up by a grown man or a black child. But when you see the hu- because we, most of the times, we see humanity in people. Like, you know, you, I've seen, you know, I, we, plenty of times where you see somebody getting abused, it could be a white woman getting abused. We'd be like, "Yo, chill, man, what you doing?" Because we see people as human beings. We just see people as good people. It's just when you fuck up, we go, "Yo." You know, so with sinners, to me, because Ben Stiller stood up

• 46:34Ryan Clark?

  He did.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  For the, um, they, they tried to-

• 46:37Ryan Clark?

  It was the headline, it was the headline, they tried to talk about the money it cost to make the movie as opposed to the first weekend.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  They were like, "It's not really making enough." But then there was a movie that had a mainly white cast that they lied about, said it was doing well, it wasn't. But they went and tried to shit on Coogler's movie. And Ben Stiller said, "Why would you do that?"

• 46:53Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  And I love that about Ben Stiller. I was in Zoolander, I was in his first film, Zoolander. And he was like, "Why would you do that to them?" I love that. See, there are, there are good people in every race. And I'm not trying to say this to appease. I'm not trying to do no Al Sharpton shit. I love Al, but I'm not trying to go, "Everybody has a chance." No. I'm saying this, it's the truth. I know people who look different than us that are good people, man. You know what I mean? And- You're doing that because you don't think, and this is facts, they don't think black people sell in movies. They just don't think we do internationally. How? Afrobeat is the number one music genre. Hip-hop is number one. Everybody, and I've been to a lot of countries. They do black shit.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  Lithuania, I've been to Russia, performing. I've been to Turkey, black shit everywhere. I go, wow. Look at that. Celebrating black culture. It's especially in America, it's the Americans, the American mentality thinking we ain't shit. Because they know our shit is dope. Look at, look at sports, please, please. There was a time where they didn't want us in football. They had a black football league for about seven years. I think Henry Pollard, Hank Pollard, who went to my high school in Chicago, was one of the first African-American coaches in the NFL.

• 48:12Ryan Clark?

  Now they had the Fritz Pollard line.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  Fritz Pollard, yeah. He went to my high school, Lang Tech High School in Chicago. You understand? The Negro League Baseball, this is a time, the reason why they integrated baseball because the Negro Leagues was better. So they had to shut it down by integrating. That's why they picked Jackie Robinson. They were like, let's get Jackie Robinson. We were in baseball in 1884. It was Welber and Moses Walker, that's the first blacks. Then we were banned from baseball for 60 years. Then in 1947, it was Jackie Robinson. I go to the Negro League Baseball Museum every year when I go to Kansas City. That's all, I just go and read it. But, what, look at what we do, look at what sports. Imagine if sports, look at, the next level. I remember talking to Michael Jordan's agent.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  I'm friends with him, I knew him for years. He used to come see my comedy shows in New York. And he was telling me about the story of when we first were trying to sell Michael Jordan to sell sneakers. He goes, you know, I remember when we were trying to pitch Michael Jordan for a sneaker deal. Yeah, and they were like, black, black guys can't sell sneakers. He's telling me, he goes, black guys can't sell sneakers. And he goes, now let's take a chance on the guy. I think he's gonna... They, this is what they thought. We couldn't sell sneakers. And he goes, thank God that they took a chance. Because look at, ain't nobody wearing no white dude sneakers? You got any Lewinsky's on? You wearing Lewinsky's? What is Bird's? Well, we're the Bird's and I love Larry Bird, but nobody wearing it. White kids ain't... Man, if the, if the league turn...

• 49:41Speaker 03

  Because they're trying to bring back a segregation ban, you know? Because, you know, whoever wants, uh, uh, to bring back segregation. I said, I don't mind. I don't mind. If you want segregation, cool. But it has to be segregated and, and equal. So we get all of our things back. You can't have any of our stuff. You gotta have yours. Not separate, but equal. If you, you can't, you can't be separate and come burn our towns. No. You gotta stay over there and we stay over here. No, you, all right? And by the way, we're taking our athletes with us. Let's... Even white dudes be like, ah, nah, nah, nah. We can't have that. Nah, nah, we, we need speed.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm, I'm, since we're so supreme, let's do that. And all of our music has to come to us. So you, you'll be sitting in silence. You can't, because it's all black invented. It's, I'm just telling, if you really are about the segregation... And if we had segregated water fountains, how much fun would that be now? Because I would rub it in their ass. I'd be like, it's good, it tastes good. And they'd be like, let me taste that. Hey!

• 50:49Ryan Clark?

  This is what I wanted you to do, because I saw you do it though. What would Ryan?

• 50:53Speaker 03

  Oh, I wanted to say about the film thing, about centers. First of all, shout out to Michael B. Jordan. I know, good dude. Ryan Coogler, good man. Black people sell. Because when I brought up Shaft... By the way, Gordon Parks. Remember Gordon Parks, the famous photographer? Gordon Parks from Harlem Renaissance? Gordon Parks is the one that produced and directed Shaft. Okay? Shaft saved, I think it was Warner Brothers, saved Warner Brothers from bankruptcy. Because they were going bankrupt and Shaft was $500,000 budget. They made 12 million. Wow. Richard Roundtree saved Warner Brothers. My friend used to work for Stan Lee, who created Marvel. I met Stan Lee three times, hanging out with Stan Lee in his office on Santa Monica in LA. He was at Power Entertainment when he left Marvel.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  I'm sitting there talking to Stan Lee, he's 89 years old. Now, you think about it, as a kid, I'm talking to the man who created Spider-Man. And he's like, "Godfrey, I wanna show you something about Spider-Man." He's telling me everything, I'm listening to this dude. I can't believe I'm talking to Stan Lee. He goes, "I wanna show you." Yeah, you see, he had a big picture of Wesley Snipes, Blade. He goes, "Yeah, Wesley Snipes, I tell ya, Wesley Snipes." Wesley saved Marvel. It's, we were going bankrupt. If it weren't for Wesley Snipes in 1999, we would have been in bankruptcy. Black person saving, again, a company. Black people sell. You look at it in Living Color, saved Fox. The halftime, remember the halftime celebration? Who saved it? Michael Jackson saved it.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  That shit was going down. Empire saved Fox again. Empire with, uh... Terajee P. Henson. Terajee P. Henson. Terrence Howard. And, yeah, Terrence Howard, saved Fox. WB, black people saved it. Stars, black people saved it. Black people sell. It's just this old adage of hatred and not wanting, and this fear of other people's success. They gotta get over it. It's all, we're all good, man. If we get, if people think if we get into a certain power, we're gonna act the same way you did. We're not like that. We just want everybody to, cuz when people say, "Oh, you just, you wanna be white." I never wanted to be white, partner. Never did. I like myself, you just don't like my existence.

• 53:04Speaker 03

  I never wanted to be, and if I were white, I'd be a white guy, okay? But we don't hate being what we are. Look at us when we're by ourselves, autonomous, by ourselves. You look at us and you're like, "Look at all that noise over there. They're just making all that damn noise." Our, whenever we're happy and autonomous, people got a problem with it. Cuz they ain't part of our shit. So what do they do? They make fun from insecurity. Why don't you just come and join us and act like a human being? Then yell at us and do all this other shit? You know what I'm saying? It's like when you move into a neighborhood, it's like, "Oh, there's blacks moving in the neighborhood." I'm sorry, you move into a neighborhood on land you stole? What you talking about?

• 53:41Ryan Clark?

  Do you think?

• 53:41Speaker 03

  I want America to be great again. Well, then let the Native Americans come back. I'm just saying, if we really trying to break shit, that's what happens.

• 53:49Ryan Clark?

  You mentioned social media before, I saw an interview, changing comedy.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:54Ryan Clark?

  Right?

• 53:54Speaker 03

  Yes, it has.

• 53:54Ryan Clark?

  It has, it has. It used to be the way you said you had to come up, I had to go, I'm a Bernie Mac here.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're just busting ass.

• 54:02Ryan Clark?

  Right, it's different now. It's different now, you can get on social media and you can build this brand, right? You can sort of build a career. How should, or how even do you, as a comedian, choose what to speak on? What to, what to be a part of? What part of your comedy, even from your shows, you share? Because social media gives people a lot of you. More of you than they actually may see at your show. Or for the people who don't see your show.

• 54:34Speaker 03

  Because everybody's gonna have their thing. There's some people will be like, telling you the news in a, in a, in a, I don't know, in a shower cap. You know, everybody has their little thing. Yo, what's up? It's this is, or somebody use a sock puppet or whatever. I said, I'm just gonna be authentically me. With, with, because I, what I did was, which a lot of cats from my era, they saw social media as like, I ain't doing that shit. I ain't doing that shit. And then I kind of got off my ass and say, yo, it's, the winds are changing, man. We gotta get on this shit. Because there, you know, there are people who are super famous off of social media, aren't real, they're not real comedians. They don't, they didn't put the hours in. One thing about live performance, you can't skip that.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  You can, it's, this is like the first time where you can put the cart before the horse. You can build a following in your living room, right? Have millions of followers, then you go, you know what? I'm real funny on camera, I'm gonna book me a comedy club. Then they go to a comedy club and people come in like, alright. We're in real time now. Now you gotta show us what you got. And they go, what? This motherfucker ain't no real comedian. That's the only, that's the only detriment. The people that get famous and aren't, didn't put the stage time in, they have to make sure, cause it's gonna catch up to you. Cause once they go around and see you once and you fuck up, they gonna come back and go, oh, he ain't shit. Or she ain't shit. So the good thing about me and guys from my, we have the stage time.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  We have the, you know, the knowledge and, and, and the, um, seasoning. But the one thing a lot of us don't do is we don't get on, cause we think we're too good for that. I go, you have to. You got to be shameless. So I said, let me do something consistent that matches who I am. Because I don't want people come to my show go, damn, he talking about race. I go, no, that's, I do that on Instagram. I go in.

• 56:24Fred Taylor?

  There's a few ways to jokingly talk about race.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 56:29Fred Taylor?

  In a positive light. I mean, Channing, he's mixed. He, he has a, a white mom and a black dad. He just recently lost his dad.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  Sorry about that.

• 56:36Fred Taylor?

  But he, he also, um, does, uh, stand up. He, he's tried it.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  You crazy enough.

• 56:42Fred Taylor?

  And he was hoping his dad left him his, his slug. But.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  What the hell just?

• 56:47Ryan Clark?

  Damn Fred.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  What the Fred? What the hell just happened?

• 56:50Ryan Clark?

  Yams, slugs.

• 56:52Fred Taylor?

  I'm just trying to, we, we, we doing a light.

• 56:54Channing Crowder?

  I got a joke. My dad is a big, he's a big ass black dude. He was, he just passed. Six four, two seventy. Big.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:02Channing Crowder?

  And my mom's a white woman.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:05Channing Crowder?

  And so when I was young and saw my dad getting out the shower, I thought my [BLEEP] would grow into what he had.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:12Channing Crowder?

  And it never, it never.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 57:14Channing Crowder?

  It never ended up maturing.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  Wow. So you got everything from your mom.

• 57:17Channing Crowder?

  So I got my mama's [BLEEP].

• 57:18Speaker 03

  So you got your mama's shit.

• 57:19Channing Crowder?

  Which is a funny phrase.

• 57:20Speaker 03

  It's just that shit.

• 57:23Channing Crowder?

  So, yeah, and we got that. But even that, like.

• 57:26Fred Taylor?

  I was just trying to say the world can be better when we combine races and all be together.

• 57:34Channing Crowder?

  And you're, you know, I, I've done, I've done a number of shows. And you tell the joke, it hits, but then you see the white dude in the back mad looking at you.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  Mad, why, and why is he mad though?

• 57:43Channing Crowder?

  Because he got his mama's [BLEEP] too, but his mom and dad's white.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  And that's what you do when you see the white dude be mad. Like, you mad cause you got your mama's dick. But I understand. See, that, that's what you.

• 57:53Channing Crowder?

  That's how you bring him in.

• 57:53Speaker 03

  That's you bring him in, go, yo, dog, I'm, I'm a black man, but. I get it, I got that part too. That's how you.

• 58:00Channing Crowder?

  I wanted to ask, talking about comedy though.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 58:02Channing Crowder?

  I wanted to ask, man, like, I played Freddie, I played against Ryan. Ballplayers, like, we can, we can peep.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:09Channing Crowder?

  But, when I see Freddie walking through the airport, he, you know, we both gators, I see Ryan in there. Like, we cool.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 58:16Channing Crowder?

  What's up with this damn comedian beef shit, man? Like, it doesn't seem like it should be nasty. Why, why is comedy nasty?

• 58:23Speaker 03

  Uh, amongst us. Not amongst the white boys. And other people, like, I mean, listen, everybody has rivalries, but we are the most, we're the most vocal about it in public. Which is stupid, it's like, I, I mean, I've been in a couple of them, but I'm like, I'm not even a confrontational dude like that. Why are you choosing me to, it's, it's, it's up. And a lot of, and I'm gonna say this on this, this, this show, a lot of us don't stick together, which is up. You got some comic, and these are not all, some comedians that will literally not tell you about certain jobs. They don't want you to have them. We do this to each other, but this is historical shit, you know?

• 59:03Speaker 03

  They, cause they, there's that whole one, one negro at a time rule, where they let one negro get famous, so you can be mad at this one guy, and they pit us against each other, they do this shit on purpose. But, we don't have to do that, we can create our own shit. You know, there's plenty of comedians in positions, like, like Kevin is my boy. Kevin Hart, he lets all his boys eat, man. His whole crew are millionaires. Joey Wells and all his nine, all those dudes, I love that, that's what you're supposed to do. You let your, he don't owe everybody everything, which is crazy. He lets his crew, his writers, Harry, his writers.

• 59:38Channing Crowder?

  All of them.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  They all getting money.

• 59:40Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  Rick Ross said it best, how in the world am I gonna be around some dudes and not make them any money? I'm making all the money and they ain't, that's bullshit. But they work for it, they work hard for it, they write, they perform, they look out. That's how you're supposed to do it, regardless of what you think about Kevin, that, they got his crew eating. That's how you need to do, we should have groups of us. You got, you got Adam Sandler takes care of his boys, Stiller takes care of his boys, Judd Apl, they, I see them! They take care of their dudes, man, and you should be taking care of them, not on some subservient shit. Let them rise, why are you, but.

• 1:00:15Channing Crowder?

  Especially if they're working.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  They're working, a lot of us, a lot of us don't wanna, I'll give you enough. No, teach that man to fish. Don't give him a fish. Teach him how to fuck a fish.

• 1:00:24Ryan Clark?

  But you mentioned being public, though. Why wouldn't, like, if you're an up and coming comedian

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Ryan Clark?

  and you see Cat Williams go on this show and talk about all the other comedians of our culture and really call them out, almost say in some ways their success is fraudulent or stolen or taken from them. And then you see even in doing that, though, he blows up, right? He's back, he's back in the public eye.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Ryan Clark?

  It almost makes it seem like that's the way to do it.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, but Cat is special, man. Cat is special, man. And, and what if Cat is telling the truth? Cat is a superstar. That's real talk. I love, I'm a Cat fan.

• 1:01:08Ryan Clark?

  And he's very intelligent, too.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  Supremely intelligent. And when he talks, you can't help but listen, even if he's lying. I know there's niggas on Mars. I'll be like, yep.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  There's Mars, I've been to Mars. I know Mars. I'll be like, I believe he, he's that, he's like, he has that preacher power, that influencer power. And I believe a lot of things he's saying is the truth. I'm not gonna pick at what I believe, but I don't, he's a famous dude. I mean, my first time meeting Cat, I met him twice. The Flavor Flav roast and one day I was, I don't know, we were at a post-Oscar parties. I see Cat, he goes, you wanna go in this party, blah, blah, blah? I said, yeah. He brings me in this party, walks right in. Everybody knows him. I'm, he introduces me to Martin Landau, who's not around anymore, a very, very famous actor. They go, hey, Cat, how are you?

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  I go, that's one of my mom's favorite actors. God damn. He knew Cat. He's like, how you doing, Mr. Landau? This is God, blah, blah. And he's introducing me, all these superstars. Then I, then there's some jazz playing, jazz playing, there's jazz pian- piano playing. I said, oh, this jazz is good. And I didn't know it was Jeff Goldblum playing jazz piano. You know Jeff Goldblum?

• 1:02:25Ryan Clark?

  I do.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  He plays jazz piano, boom, ba, ba, ba. And I'm like, he goes, how you doing, Mr. Goldblum? And he goes, hey, Cat, how are you, man? I was like, this dude is the real, he's that, he's that influential. That was the last of my, Cat's a magical creature to me. He just disappears, I never see him again.

• 1:02:43Ryan Clark?

  You just mentioned all of those people.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, Cat knew all of them.

• 1:02:46Ryan Clark?

  What was, or who was a person you met and had sort of a perception of? And even in meeting you, they blew you away?

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  Meeting Jason Statham, fantastic dude. He was awesome, like, I'm happy that he was awesome. Cause I don't want somebody being shitty to me, you know, cause I might say something.

• 1:03:08Ryan Clark?

  You know, the transporter, the beekeeper, the, what is he now?

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  He's a working man.

• 1:03:13Ryan Clark?

  The working man.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  But he, he's, he's a mechanic, but he's transporter, he's mechanic. He's a beekeeper, he had a bank job, he was a bank robber, and so he always has a job.

• 1:03:24Channing Crowder?

  Listen, but is he a good actor? Cause he's the same person every movie.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  I like that, though. I like being, I like Ice T, like, that's why I love Ice T. He's just Ice T, Ice T don't change. Like, yo, I heard they got killed the other day. Yo, you like?

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  You like beating up little kids? You gonna go to jail, you know?

• 1:03:46Ryan Clark?

  I like, I like what you said, though.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  I like that Ice T is just himself. I don't want him to change.

• 1:03:51Ryan Clark?

  What you said about Jason, where he was like, he always states his job, though?

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, he goes, I forgot to tell you, I'm the transporter. I'm like, well, yeah, that's the movie. He's like, I, and you're, I mean, wait, what?

• 1:04:03Channing Crowder?

  I just watched The Working Man.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  And he's like, I'm a working man. I swear to. I want him to be like a barista at Starbucks. He likes to take jobs where he can whoop somebody's ass. He's like, I called your name, you had a latte. He's like, what do you do? I'm a barista.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  You just said you need to walk away.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  But those dudes make money like Arnold Schwarzenegger. He made billions of it.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  That's all he did. Even when he was kindergarten cop. It's not a tumor.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  He should have just named all his movies.

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  And he made.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Not a policeman, that my friends say.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  What is this? I remember there was a video of Arnold like making fun of skinheads. You know, he was making fun of all these skinhead groups. And did you ever see him do it? He was like, I want to tell you, you guys, what are you doing? You're spreading hate. What are you, not even the real thing. I, my, my father in Austria, that's the real Nazis. You're bullshit. I was dying. You're like, why are you not even?

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  That's not real, all this clap in your bald head.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  That shit was fantastic. But yeah, I like guys that are just the same. There's some people that are just what they are. But Denzel's the same way, you know.

• 1:05:28Ryan Clark?

  Always.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  He's the same guy, but you believe him in that character. That's how good, De Niro, same way, but you believe it. That's how good, when you can be yourself, but the charac- cause. I mean, if I'm a doctor, I'm still me. I'm a doctor. If I'm a football player, I'm still myself. If you're a dentist, you're still you. But that's how good Denzel. I mean, you see Magnificent Seven.

• 1:05:51Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Oh, and that's a remake from the original, Steve McQueen. And Denzel's just a cowboy, but he's still a cowboy. He's like, alright, so we gonna ride this horse.

• 1:06:00Ryan Clark?

  In Macbeth, everybody had an accent.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  But Denzel. To be or not to be. Why is thou wast here? Is that what you're telling me? Is that what you're telling me? Thou wast must come there within betwixt thy loins.

• 1:06:15Channing Crowder?

  And I gotta push back. Cause Gladiator 2, ain't no way that black man is just walking up like Denzel was. But that was, he didn't have a script in Gladiator 2. Y'all seen Gladiator 2? I didn't see it yet. Bro, it's Denzel just chilling. It's just Denzel being Denzel in B.C. Just chilling, B.C.

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  You know, I am your king. I am your king. I'm your king. I'm always gonna be your king.

• 1:06:43Ryan Clark?

  I did see him in Othello though. He was absolutely phenomenal.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  He's unreal.

• 1:06:47Ryan Clark?

  Because it was, you're watching him in that without like any special effects, without any cool cameras.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Bare.

• 1:06:54Ryan Clark?

  He's just standing in front of you. And it's in Shakespearean or whatever.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  I saw him in Julius Caesar. He did a modern Julius Caesar with that brother, brother Anon from Chicago P.D. He was amazing. It was like, but Denzel was still Denzel. But why is thou wast? You know, I was like, it's still.

• 1:07:13Ryan Clark?

  Have you ever seen?

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  To be or not to be, huh?

• 1:07:15Ryan Clark?

  There's a thing on Instagram. There's a thing on Instagram and it's people who do Denzel impersonations and they're all different ones, right?

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  I know the guy who does the best Denzel. This dude named C. King. C. King does the best, perfect Denzel. I was on Wild and Out with him. Ain't nobody fucking with his. His Denzel is pitch perfect. Pitch perfect. C. King. He don't even look like, he's a big dude from New York City. His Denzel is perfect. And you know, you got Jay Pharoah, you got my boy Dean Edwards. Nah, this C. King, woo, good lord. It's like my Steve Harvey. I'm gonna tell you this right now.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  It's a hell of a show. It's a good show. Shit, I host a better show. That's his lips right there. You know what you done did, Ryan? I like your show, but it ain't better than my show. What? Quack. And why?

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  And Steve can't stand me. He didn't even invite me to no celebrity nothing. He don't want me on that family. He brought another impersonator who's not even impersonating him. He ain't gonna bring, I know he texted me one time. He sent me a DM saying, "I'm gonna kick your ass, boy." That's all I saw was a, "Heh heh, you think your ass funny? I'm from Cleveland."

• 1:08:33Fred Taylor?

  Hey, but uh...

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Your ass.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Oh, here we go.

• 1:08:37Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah, it ain't nothing crazy.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  Let's get back to the yam.

• 1:08:41Fred Taylor?

  Nah, it's nothing crazy, I promise you. But nah, just throughout the journey, cause you've met some, obviously, amazing people.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Yes, I have.

• 1:08:48Fred Taylor?

  Some very successful people, right?

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:51Fred Taylor?

  And, you know, you've landed to where you are now. We always ask our guests, what's their biggest pivot? Like, that's that one moment you can look back on and say, "Without this happening to me, or happening for me, I wouldn't be who I am."

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  I think my biggest pivot was just taking a chance to be a comedian, just doing it, you know? Cause I wouldn't be, you know, we look at different levels of success. Some people say, "Man, you should be here, you should be..." I go, "Man, I'm doing awesome, you know, compared to, I'm doing what I love to do. I wrote stuff on a napkin and it became real. I wrote stuff on a napkin that became famous. The stuff I used to do about my dad was huge, like, all around the world. They'd be like, "Oh, I was in Russia." They'd say, "Oh, please, do the thing about your father I like." You know, I was in Russia doing stuff about my dad, but I wrote that on a napkin, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? I was in Lithuania, "Stuff about your father I like." I'm in, you know, in Saudi, and it's about your dad.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  I wrote it on a napkin. I made that come into fruition by taking a chance. You know, listen, there's levels in here. I feel I'm successful doing what I do. If I'm making a living doing what I do for 25 years... I'm doing fine, just because you didn't get that. It's, we gotta stop worrying about other people's shit. That's another thing, and it's tough. Because people will compare you. They go, well, that's because you ain't. I go, I'm not that dude, because that's not my name. Right. I'm Godfrey. I'm doing fine, you know what I mean? And I feel like another pivot for me was getting with social media. Was going with technology, not getting out of my own way and going, you know what? It's, it's given us a sense of, of individuality. It gives us a sense of, oh, you gotta do the work.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  You can actually, you don't have a middleman anymore. Yeah. Like with, with your show. Your show is fantastic. That's why when I saw you, I was like, hell, yeah, I want to do that shit. Because Ryan don't be played like, you see, he be like this. See, I, I. What he said. You, you always look like you're about to knock a motherfucker out. With the hands. Right, his hands be like. Really? So you in on it too? No, you always be like, he always be like, yeah, man, yeah.

• 1:11:06Speaker 03

  But I love it because. No, because the hands, you got the explanation hands when you want to kill him.

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  See, the thing he did, I respect that. But what I didn't like.

• 1:11:21Speaker 03

  That's when brothers is trying to stay from violence. Hey. You be like this. Now I'm gonna start talking like this on the show. Now they go, not every show, every show, I'll be like, yeah, whoa, what happened was. No, I love, that's why I loved your show, because I'm like, you're unapologetic, but you do things in a way where it's fair and palatable, but you mean what you say. See, there's a way to do it, like the way you do it. It's like with comedy, I'm not up there going, fuck white people. No, I want, my fans are, I, I have a mixture of fans. And don't get it twisted, there are white fans that go, I love the shit you do. Because the way you do it, you're not pounding us in the head with it. You're actually being creative. Because I think it's, it's not fair for me to go, yeah, white people are mean. Good night, that's bullshit. Because not all of them. Not at all, but be creative, though.

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  Like when I said about the banjo shit, people laughed like, oh. And they go, but they're learning. I go, it's an African instrument. I'm just saying, get your own instrument. I'm not even telling you not to be racist, but just be fair and get a white instrument. Maybe a piccolo, I don't know.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  The negroes are coming.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  But don't use a banjo that's in Africa.

• 1:12:28Ryan Clark?

  Hey, what was the boy that said the British are coming back in the day?

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  The British are coming. The British are coming. The British are coming. Oh, you know, it's like, I say, hey, like, the symbol of, of, like, like, I even talk about the swastika symbol. I go, yo, that's, that's a Buddhist symbol. The original one is Buddhist symbol. But they turned it and to, to make it white supremacist go, that's brown people shit. Use your own symbol. Be a racist, but use your own shit. I'm trying to teach you how to be a good racist. I want you to be good at it, okay? Like.

• 1:12:57Ryan Clark?

  There's books about being anti-racist. I don't think we need to.

• 1:13:00Speaker 03

  No, no, I want you to be good at it. You can't cheat.

• 1:13:03Ryan Clark?

  If you go be racist, excel.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Do good, like, the Fighting Irish symbol would be good. You guys know Notre Dame, that'd be a good white supremacist. Come on, you bastards. But I just think it's weird that the Fighting Irish is nothing but black dudes running out in a field. That's weird. See, I talk about shit like that. It's funny stuff.

• 1:13:21Ryan Clark?

  It is.

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  It's, that's what it's about. Art, it's like when you go to see, you go to a museum and you see an, it'll be an exhibit on war or activism and you'll see the paintings. Do you smack the painting off because you don't like it? You just go, okay, oh, let me look over here. Okay, it's art. Comedy is an art form. It ain't a, it ain't a shit talking for, it's an art form. It's the hardest art form of all the arts. Think about it as art. And if you see somebody not doing it artistically, then you should be mad at them. But if you see somebody going, oh, man, I like the way he did that. I like the way he did that. And a lot of times whites, white, some white guys will go, man, you were toeing the line, dude. But I like what you did, man. You were toeing the line, man. You were going, ass cheeks were tight.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  But dude, yo, that was fucking brilliant. But, you know what I'm saying? Come on, man.

• 1:14:10Ryan Clark?

  How did you make that lady pooping on that man's car? Traffic funny, though?

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  How did I, I was sick, but what I said, I said, I'm gonna tell you some shit. It's gonna be some heavy shit. Boy, you won't believe this shit.

• 1:14:21Ryan Clark?

  But that's, that's. But that's what I'm talking about, like, when you see, do you see the world? From that perspective, though. Right, are you, are you trying to understand the funny or the comedy?

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  Always, always trying to, I'm a goofy man. If you saw my, my, if you saw my makeup of, of friends, you'd be like, how is he, I don't, motherfucker, I'm coming from love all the time. I think if you love somebody, you tell them the truth. If you love people, I love humanity, you all do. We all love humanity. I just wanna set something straight. It's like when you had that thing with Aaron Rodgers. He was like, oh, man, I just wanna set you straight. Don't get it up out here, but we can be cool. Like, I, you know, it's the same thing, dog. You just have a different platform. It's the same with me. I go, listen, man, I'm not, like, I remember bringing up something about Kaepernick. I was 45 minutes, I was in Kansas City, whatever.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  Forty-five minutes, I was doing jokes, a great audience brought up Kaepernick. Just brought him up. I was doing something about Kaepernick. This lady threw a glass at me at the wall. Pow! Because I brought up Kaepernick, didn't even start the joke yet.

• 1:15:30Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 1:15:30Speaker 03

  But they hemmed her up. They choked her out, dragged her out of there, banned her. But, but you didn't even let me finish. Just that word made you mad. I go, but I'm not finished with it, though. I was gonna talk, it was a good joke and she just threw, you know, some people just, it is what it is. But this is where I'm at. I'm through 25 years of this shit, plus. I'm not stopping. If you don't like me, you don't like me. It's all, it's okay. You understand? But I pack rooms out that fuck with me because I'm funny. It's, I'm funny and I'm like George Carlin. George Carlin, you know, George Carlin spoke to power. A white dude from Harlem, Irish, told, told people to their face. That's my style. Richard Pryor said it in a different way. Him and Carlin were very similar. I, that's my lane.

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  It is what, Joan Rivers was very honest, who I loved her. She was a fan of mine. That's my shit. If you wanna do puppeteering, that's your shit. I like what I do. I like being edgy. I like thought provoking shit because I, I, that's, I vibrate on that level. My father was an intellect. What am I gonna, I'm around intellectual motherfuckers. Stop. It's like, this is what I do.

• 1:16:36Ryan Clark?

  Well, your father also thought everybody, every kid had a knife.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  Everybody. He'd be like, they will just stab you. Don't do it.

• 1:16:43Speaker 03

  Because you know, Chicago is a heavy gang, a gang-ridden, gangs were.

• 1:16:47Ryan Clark?

  Hey, he said dad thought everybody.

• 1:16:49Speaker 03

  My father thought everybody was, that's why I like, you see I have a part, one part. My father, he's only, only one line. You can't just be, you look like you, they'll just stab you because you're in a gang. I'm like, dad, that's not, but I liked that his paranoia was good. It was just, it was just, it was just, they would just shoot you with their gun. Everybody had a gun. They would just shoot, and the news, they'd just shoot you.

• 1:17:15Ryan Clark?

  Well, bruh, listen, man.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  I liked that because it balanced out eventually, you know, it was good.

• 1:17:21Ryan Clark?

  I appreciate your time. Now, I'll be honest, I've watched other things with you.

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Ryan Clark?

  I obviously didn't know how this would go. I think the education, the, the whys behind who you are. I think that's what makes our show beautiful.

• 1:17:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Ryan Clark?

  That we actually get to learn about people and, you know, we pounded yams and some other things today.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  All right, man.

• 1:17:47Fred Taylor?

  I could have talked about, you know, the year when Fred Hampton passed, Black Panther. I could have talked about a lot, but at that moment, I wanted to talk about pounding yams.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  I just talked.

• 1:17:58Ryan Clark?

  No, I thought it was, no, but I'm saying it though.

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  We don't balance pounding yams.

• 1:18:02Ryan Clark?

  I thought it was, but that was my point though, like the thing about our show. We've done shows with everybody. He always talks about his favorite show being Caitlyn Jenner, right? Because.

• 1:18:11Speaker 03

  Oh, you like that show?

• 1:18:13Channing Crowder?

  It was just.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  That, that, that reality show?

• 1:18:16Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, we, we had Caitlyn Jenner on the show. Yeah, a couple of years ago.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  You had Bruce on there? I mean, sorry.

• 1:18:24Ryan Clark?

  We had Caitlyn Jenner.

• 1:18:25Channing Crowder?

  Caitlyn Jenner on the show.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  Pivot fam, thank you for pivoting with us.

• 1:18:32Ryan Clark?

  Hey, we had, hey, Jay, I was like, I'm not gonna let him get.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  You see, I got him, I got him in my car hands. Who's still in there?

• 1:19:03Speaker 00

  Before this,

• 1:19:08Speaker 00

  there's this.

• 1:19:11Speaker 00

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