Behind the Scenes Minis: Stitching Hangovers

Holly and Tracy talk about sewing machines in their lives. Tracy talks about how she thought hangover research would be easy, but it turned out to be quite challenging. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:37Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 1:48Holly Frey?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Holly Frey.

• 1:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

• 1:52Holly Frey?

  We talked about Helen Blanchard and sewing this week.

• 1:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 1:56Holly Frey?

  Which made my little heart happy. And also, while I was researching this, I got super nostalgic about sewing things.

• 2:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03Holly Frey?

  Through the years. One of the things I wanted to mention, uh, because we, we talked about it somewhat in the show was sergers. And like, we didn't specify in the pro, in the, in the course of the show, but like, she uses the term overlock sometimes when she's referring to a zigzag stitch. Because it overlocks the edge of the fabric, but today, an overlock machine is a serger.

• 2:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 2:30Holly Frey?

  But it made me wistful for when the idea of having a serger in your home was a brand new concept. And the first home model of serger was the Baby Lock EF 205.

• 2:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 2:44Holly Frey?

  And that came out in 1968.

• 2:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 2:46Holly Frey?

  Which is before I was born. But I remember so distinctly when I was about nine or 10. And I had really started in earnest to read my mother's copies of Threads magazine. And there was an ad in the back of one of them for a Baby Lock serger. And just the description of how it would sew your seam and trim away the excess fabric simultaneously. To me, a stitching kid sounded about as thrilling and drool inducing as like if an ad for ice cream sundaes. I was just like, we need this, we need to buy this. And my mom was just like, no.

• 3:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 3:31Holly Frey?

  To be clear, they were very expensive at that point.

• 3:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Holly Frey?

  Like now you can get a pretty good overlock for home use for a couple hundred bucks. But at the time, you were looking at probably over a thousand dollars in the 1970s. So like, it was a lot of money. But I wanted one so bad. I mean, I harangued my parents. They did eventually get one, but not until I was a fully grown adult.

• 3:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 3:57Holly Frey?

  Because here is why I got a serger.

• 3:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 4:00Holly Frey?

  My mom got a serger when I was a teenager, so I used hers. But then when I, um, got to college, I sewed in the costume shop at the theater, um, there at school, because my work-study job was there in the costume shop, which was great. But then when I graduated from college and I got my first job job. There was a little problem, which was that I did not have job job clothes.

• 4:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, sure.

• 4:32Holly Frey?

  And I was poor as dirt. So for the first two weeks that I worked

• 4:38Holly Frey?

  as a receptionist in a hair salon. Every night when I got home from work, I would sew my outfit for the next day.

• 4:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Wow.

• 4:49Holly Frey?

  And then that's how I built up my professional wardrobe. And my parents were like, I don't remember if it fell around my birthday or a Christmas or something, but they got me a serger. Kind of as all of that was happening because they were just like, oh dear Lord.

• 5:05Holly Frey?

  Cause I need, I needed clothes.

• 5:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:10Holly Frey?

  I had that serger for exactly, how long do you think?

• 5:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  Forty years.

• 5:16Holly Frey?

  Thirty.

• 5:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 5:17Holly Frey?

  Because last year, it made me a lot of clothes. And last year, early in the year.

• 5:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  I just did a thing that I think was mathematically impossible. You would have been.

• 5:28Holly Frey?

  If I had gotten it when I was a teenager, like 13, I turned it on. It had been, you know, declining. I knew. And I turned it on and I hit the pedal and instead of stitches coming out, smoke came out.

• 5:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh no.

• 5:43Holly Frey?

  And I was like, this is a 30 year old serger. No one's going to want to fix this. Like the, one of the, the needle hooks was a little bit bent. I was just like, go with God, serger.

• 5:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  The sewing machine that I have is probably about that old at least. It has to be a little older than that. Um, the, my mom had a, a singer. One of those like metal bodied, very sturdy.

• 6:17Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 6:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Singers, which is what I learned to sew on. And at the time she was doing a lot of sewing and a lot of crafts and she got an Elma.

• 6:29Holly Frey?

  Nice.

• 6:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Which had little cartridges that could do all kinds of little fancy stitches.

• 6:34Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 6:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so she gave me the singer and she worked on the Elma and then. As I got to the age of like moving out on my own, she wasn't really sewing anymore. And so we traded sewing machines so that she had the Singer and that she or my dad would use to do stuff like sew my brother's Boy Scout patches on. And then I had this Elna. I still have the Elna and it still does get some use. Like it, it needs a tune up at this point. And the figuring out of like, where can I take an Elna that's 35 years old to get it tuned up is its own thing.

• 7:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  And at this point, it is mostly being used to like repair things. So like Patrick sews patches onto things that he wears at the game conventions that he works at and stuff. So it's not getting a ton of use, but it does still work and can do a number of fancy stitches. I say fancy and that they are just not straight line chain stitches. The kinds of things that, that Blanchard was working on.

• 7:47Holly Frey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:51Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I still love sewing. I still sew quite a bit, not as much as I used to lately, just because I've been too busy. But I have a situation brewing in the sewing room, which is like, I need to start working through the fabric because we're reaching like a hoarding level of giant towers of fabric.

• 8:09Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, sure.

• 8:11Holly Frey?

  Really need to work on. Also, I'm using my platform for personal benefit, maybe. In thinking about those old Threads magazines and my mother's various stitching magazines. I had a flashback to what has become a little bit of a white whale for me. One year in one of those magazines, I thought it was Threads, but I'm not confident. So any of my stitchers in the crowd. If you know a lot about old sewing magazines, there was probably around 1980 or 81, a how to thing, one year at Christmas, that was two tiny plush koalas and their entire Christmas wardrobe and their little tiny duffel bags

• 8:56Holly Frey?

  you could put their wardrobes in. And I was obsessed with it. And I would love to find a copy of it again.

• 9:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  That sounds so cute.

• 9:03Holly Frey?

  I have searched and searched and have not found it.

• 9:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:05Holly Frey?

  If you happen to be that one person who's like, oh, I know what that is. Um, give me a yell.

• 9:13Holly Frey?

  Because that would be amazing. I could talk about sewing forever.

• 9:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:17Holly Frey?

  I feel like there have been big moments in my life that I associate with what I was sewing at the time. Like my senior year of high school. I sewed a lot before that. I made a lot of my clothes for school. But my senior year, I just decided I wanted to make all retro and vintage fashions for my school wardrobe that year. And in what was probably the one time my mother ever showed me a ton of trust. She gave me her credit card and let me go to the fabric store and just pick out whatever I wanted or needed for that project.

• 9:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, wow. That's cool.

• 9:50Holly Frey?

  And I did. And I stitched up all that stuff. And I wore a lot of 50s clothes that year.

• 9:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  I love it.

• 9:57Holly Frey?

  Which was very weird in 1989.

• 9:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  I'm into it, though.

• 10:00Holly Frey?

  But it was also coming off of me doing a lot of like, very sort of more punk referencing wardrobe. So, one, I think my parents were probably happy that they were like, you want a plaid pinafore? What is this about? But what they didn't realize is like, those could easily be styled in either direction.

• 10:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:20Holly Frey?

  I had a great time. I loved those. I still think about those clothes and how much I love them.

• 10:26Holly Frey?

  Yeah, that's one of the big times. I had a pretty good wardrobe that year. I just sew a lot, anyway. I told you while I was working on this that I had something funny to tell you.

• 10:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah. I wasn't sure if your funny thing was about your episode or about my episode.

• 10:40Holly Frey?

  No, it's about mine.

• 10:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 10:43Holly Frey?

  Tracy.

• 10:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes.

• 10:45Holly Frey?

  The curse continues.

• 10:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  What is it?

• 10:48Holly Frey?

  Because right after Blanchard in notable women encyclopedias, comes Helen Blavatsky. She kept jumpscaring me every time I opened something.

• 11:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  That's so funny.

• 11:04Holly Frey?

  Didn't even think about it was like looking at one of these encyclopedias that I have like a physical copy of and in bold are the words Helen Blavatsky. I was like,

• 11:13Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right there, jumping out. So funny.

• 11:15Holly Frey?

  I almost dropped the book. I was like both startled and laughing at the same time.

• 11:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  I love it.

• 11:27Holly Frey?

  I'm good. I'm ready for a poltergeist experience to happen at my house and it will be Madame Blavatsky.

• 11:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  She's gonna walk in the door.

• 11:33Holly Frey?

  Being like, why are you trash talking me? What is going on, woman?

• 11:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  There's gonna be Helen Blavatsky at the top of the stairs.

• 11:38Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready.

• 11:41Holly Frey?

  I feel like she is the curse of all of my research.

• 11:45Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 11:46Holly Frey?

  She comes up, no matter what I'm looking at, it'll be like some weird licorice made in the 1800s. And it will be like, this was Helen Blavatsky's favorite candy. Like, there's no way to escape her. She keeps arriving. Anyway.

• 12:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  Funny.

• 12:04Holly Frey?

  That is my curse, which I'm actually fine with. I think she'd be quite interesting if I've ever met her ghost. I'm down with it. Come on, Helen. Come on. We can hang out. Helen and Madame Blavatsky and I are gonna sew out ghost outfits together. It's gonna be great.

• 12:23Holly Frey?

  Deanna Flores, flag football star, trailblazer, broadcaster, and entrepreneur, knows what pressure feels like. She knows what it takes to step up in the moment and she knows that even the biggest achievement is never the end of the story.

• 12:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  In the new podcast, Born to Become with Deanna Flores, she's sitting down with people from every corner of culture, including sports, business, wellness, and entertainment, to find the whole person behind the public identity.

• 12:47Holly Frey?

  Whether she's talking to an athlete on the field, a founder heading into a pitch, or a musician before a show, the conversation starts with the official bio ends.

• 12:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  Every episode, Deanna shares her own experiences, questions, and even doubts. Her guests learn from her, she learns from them, and you might pick up something along the way. No lectures, no know-it-all host, just real people being real.

• 13:09Holly Frey?

  Come curious and leave with something you can use.

• 13:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  Listen to Born to Become with Deanna Flores out now on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Created in partnership with Geico.

• 13:24Holly Frey?

  A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. Tune in for season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a Ruby Studio production in partnership with Argenx. Hosted by public health and policy expert Dr. Martine Hackett, Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition pushes the conversation within the rare disease community forward. Featuring guests living with MG, CIDP, myositis, SMA, and other rare autoimmune conditions, each episode explores hope, progress, and connection. How does research create new opportunities? How do shared experiences help light the way forward? How do we best show up for each other?

• 14:09Holly Frey?

  Tune in to find out. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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• 15:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  Our New Year's Day episode was about hangovers.

• 15:28Holly Frey?

  Yes, indeed.

• 15:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Let me tell you, working on this episode gave me a hangover.

• 15:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  Talk about something I thought was going to be easy that turned out to be ridiculously hard. I did not know going into it that the word hangover to mean the, you know, the day after drinking, feeling bad, not knowing that that had not been coined until, I think, 1904 is what we said, 1904, 1906, something like that, which meant I would not just be able to go into historical sources and put the word hangover in there and come up with some kind of, you know, delightful historical treatise on hangovers. I took all of these notes. But then when I went through all the notes, I was like, these

• 16:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  notes are a mess. And then as I was trying to make the notes into an episode, I was like, this episode is a mess. And it never felt like it was soup yet, if that makes sense in the context of this. And I finally got to a point where I was like, this is the length of an episode and I'm not fully satisfied with where it has arrived, but it's not going to get any better. So it's things about, about hangovers in history, which I feel like kind of add up to a fun assortment of stuff, fun in some contexts, maybe not in all of them. But not like the unified overview of history that I thought it would be going into it.

• 17:00Holly Frey?

  Right, because there isn't one.

• 17:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  No, it's really like the-

• 17:03Holly Frey?

  I mean, that's it. I mean, I think it's delightful, but you are essentially trying to make solid matter out of like clouds.

• 17:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes, really true. The, so there were two different books that I read that is, but as part of this, and one of them was the one we specifically mentioned, which was the Hangover: A Literary and Cultural History. And the other was one that like, I, I did not mention because I didn't ultimately end up using any information from it at all. And both of them-

• 17:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Were less concrete than I would have actually found very helpful. The one that was The Hangover: A Literary and Cultural History was really interesting, but I wound up taking almost no notes from it. I think that was where I where I learned about the that you and I did a dramatic reading from that 17th century, The Contented Cuckold or a Woman's Advocate. Like, that is where I first saw reference to that was in this book. But yeah, I was like, well, this is a multi-hundred-page book that isn't really approaching the topic in a way, I'm not saying it's bad in any way.

• 18:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  Again, it was very interesting, but like it wasn't approaching the topic in a way that like led to productive research.

• 18:27Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 18:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  For me doing on this topic.

• 18:31Holly Frey?

  Right. I think part of the problem there, right, is that any book that's kind of ostensibly tackling hangovers really becomes about drinking culture more than science.

• 18:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:46Holly Frey?

  Which is just, it's tricky because then you are doing exactly what, you know, where we landed where it's like, okay, well, so there's this apocryphal thing.

• 18:56Holly Frey?

  We might know about.

• 18:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 19:00Holly Frey?

  Oh, hangovers.

• 19:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  And since it really seems like, at least based on everything that I read, that it was kind of in terms of Europe, it was the early modern period by the time people were sort of thinking of this as like a phenomenon that specifically follows drinking in a way that it was like it was an entity now, not just writing to your sister to say, I drank wine last night and now I feel terrible.

• 19:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Anyway, it was an episode that I went into thinking it was going to be easy and it turned out to be very hard.

• 19:48Holly Frey?

  You accidentally stumbled into a thing in this episode that was on one of my lists that I had thought would be an episode that was easy and turned out to be very hard.

• 19:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:59Holly Frey?

  Which was, I was gonna do some years back, the history of brunch.

• 20:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 20:04Holly Frey?

  And other than that one article, which is very charming. After that, it just then is like, and then there were restaurants that started offering brunch. And I'm like, well, that's the end of that story.

• 20:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  Buy eggs for $19.

• 20:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  Boy, I do love brunch.

• 20:23Holly Frey?

  I love brunch as well. This made me think of so many things. One, I had a sudden flash to, if I'm remembering correctly, I've not got the book at hand to look it up. PJ O'Rourke's Hangover Cure, which may disgust you.

• 20:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Probably. Some of them really do to me.

• 20:45Holly Frey?

  I mean, this one isn't as disgusting as many other things.

• 20:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's a prairie.

• 20:49Holly Frey?

  I do think it's funny that I will drink a flip without hesitation. Put the whole egg in my drink, but I don't want the drink in Tabasco sauce or the egg in Tabasco sauce. Right? Like, I don't know why, if you mixed all of that with brandy, I'd be like, oh, yeah, let's have that. But, but not just the egg. But no, his, if I'm remembering correctly, was to dump an entire, like, one pound package of bacon into a frying pan, cook the bacon, pull out the bacon, and then you kind of poach your eggs in the bacon grease, and then you eat the eggs and bacon, which to me just sounds like a pretty yummy breakfast, although very heavy and not super helpful.

• 21:29Holly Frey?

  But yeah, I don't, I don't.

• 21:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:31Holly Frey?

  I've never had to test it.

• 21:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  That does seem a little heavy. There's, like, the various hangover cures. I didn't put this into the episode, but a lot of it are things that just, to me, are inherently kind of gross or extremely pungent. So like,

• 21:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, I am definitely not into a shot glass that has raw egg and Tabasco sauce and Worcestershire in it. I'm like, no, thanks. That does not sound like, that sounds like it's gonna make my situation worse. Um, and while I do really like pickled things and briny things, there are a number of like pickled fish kind of things that like we talked about with like the German hangover breakfast. And some of that, like if I wake up in the morning and I am not feeling good, a pickled herring is not gonna make me feel any better.

• 22:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so, uh, there, some of them are like, is the goal here to make you feel a lot worse? And maybe even be sick? And then maybe by comparison, you might feel better?

• 22:40Holly Frey?

  I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I am one of those jerks that is very lucky that doesn't get hangovers.

• 22:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well, that is amazing for you.

• 22:49Holly Frey?

  It's unfair. I understand. Um, sometimes to my husband's complete consternation and almost fear, we're on the rare occasion, because I love to drink, I don't like to get drunk.

• 23:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  For sure.

• 23:03Holly Frey?

  And like, but there have certainly been rare occasions where I have overindulged or I started drinking when I didn't eat and got intoxicated. And he's convinced the next morning is gonna be rough. And then I wake up chirpy as a bird and he's just like, I'm afraid.

• 23:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:19Holly Frey?

  I always just chalk it up to hydration, maybe, because I always am drinking a lot of beverages, not just my cocktails. Even if I'm having a long evening of drinking or at a party or something, I usually also am having a soda and, uh, more often, even though I hate it, water.

• 23:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:41Holly Frey?

  Et cetera. So that might just be it. I've just been staving it off because I'm so thirsty all the time. I always want many beverages at hand.

• 23:52Holly Frey?

  Deanna Flores, flag football star, trailblazer, broadcaster and entrepreneur, knows what pressure feels like. She knows what it takes to step up in the moment, and she knows that even the biggest achievement is never the end of the story.

• 24:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  In the new podcast, Born to Become with Deanna Flores, she's sitting down with people from every corner of culture, including sports, business, wellness and entertainment, to find the whole person behind the public identity.

• 24:16Holly Frey?

  Whether she's talking to an athlete on the field, a founder heading into a pitch, or a musician before a show, the conversation starts with the official bio ends.

• 24:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Every episode, Deanna shares her own experiences, questions and even doubts. Her guests learn from her, she learns from them, and you might pick up something along the way. No lectures, no know-it-all host, just real people being real.

• 24:38Holly Frey?

  Come curious and leave with something you can use.

• 24:41Tracy V. Wilson?

  Listen to Born to Become with Deanna Flores out now on the iHeart Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Created in partnership with Geico.

• 24:53Holly Frey?

  A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. Tune in for season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a Ruby Studio production in partnership with Argenx. Hosted by public health and policy expert Dr. Martine Hackett, Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition pushes the conversation within the rare disease community forward. Featuring guests living with MG, CIDP, myositis, SMA and other rare autoimmune conditions, each episode explores hope, progress and connection. How does research create new opportunities? How do shared experiences help light the way forward? How do we best show up for each other?

• 25:38Holly Frey?

  Tune in to find out. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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• 26:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  My experiences are usually like some kind of accidental miscalculation. Like, for example, when I first moved to Massachusetts, you could not ship alcohol to Massachusetts.

• 27:09Holly Frey?

  Much like Georgia now.

• 27:11Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well, this is something, I think there wound up being court cases about it because in, as I recall, and this is my memory, so it might not be correct, Massachusetts distilleries and whatnot were allowed to ship out of Massachusetts, but Massachusetts would not allow you to ship into Massachusetts. And this is a matter of interstate commerce, so it wound up in federal court and the ruling was no, you can't do it that way. Before that changed, though, if I wanted something that could not be gotten locally, I would have to ship it to friends in Connecticut and get it from them. And one time, what I specifically wanted was Cat Head Honeysuckle Vodka.

• 27:50Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 27:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  Not something, it's possible that maybe you can get it in New England now. It was not something that could be procured in New England at the time. So I had ordered it. My friends who live in Connecticut had, we had connected so that I could get it and we made some cocktails with it. And then later the same evening, another friend started making champagne cocktails with it. And the next morning I woke up and was like, why do I feel bad? And it, I was like, the amount that I had consumed felt like a normal, responsible amount to me. And I'd also had, you know, the amount of other water and other, like I, I had done the things

• 28:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  that I normally do because I also like, I don't like to feel bad and I don't like to be drunk either. And it took me a minute to be like, that other cocktail was made with champagne and vodka.

• 28:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Not with like vodka and something not an alcohol. And the worst part of that was it was a day that I needed to get up and get on an airplane and fly to Atlanta for work reasons. And I remember being at the airport and I had gotten through security and I was like, my head hurts and my body feels bad and I feel very anxious. And I went to one of the newsstands and I bought one of those little, little things of Cheerios that comes in, a little plastic thing. I did not get milk. I just had like dry Cheerios and ginger ale. And then I felt somewhat better before I had to get on the airplane. So, yeah.

• 29:42Holly Frey?

  What I would do if I got a hangover? I don't know. I like that you brought up Fernet.

• 29:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, you said you had lots of thoughts about Fernet.

• 29:51Holly Frey?

  I do, and it's mostly because nowadays Fernet is like, a kind of jokingly referred to as, it's one of the things that gets referred to as the bartender's handshake. Like that bar staff loves to do shots of Fernet together. And I don't, I don't know if it's because of its connotations as a hangover cure, or if it's just one of those things that it is a very. Uniquely flavored drink and Amaro's in general, right? Are a little bitey. They have.

• 30:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 30:24Holly Frey?

  They're not necessarily super palatable to everyone because they are not.

• 30:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 30:28Holly Frey?

  Even though it's technically a liquor, they're not sweet the way you would think of like a fruity liquor. They have that herbal bite to them. And so I think some of it is a little bit of a dare factor, right? Like.

• 30:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 30:39Holly Frey?

  Oh, I can do three shots of Fernet. No problem. I love this stuff. Um, I don't, but it just makes me chuckle.

• 30:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 30:46Holly Frey?

  I keep it on the back bar. I don't use it all that much. Perhaps I should.

• 30:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 30:50Holly Frey?

  You never know. I was just happy that you, um, wanted to look at the A B C of cocktails. I love old cocktail books. I love them.

• 31:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I, so when I asked you if you had that, um, cause I, uh, there's a lot of stuff you can just find old scans of. And I, I could not find a scan of that when I was looking and I, I thought that you might have it. Um, and so the first thing that I looked for, cause it's an alphabetical order, I looked under B for bloody. And it was, there was no thing there. And so then I looked, I was like, maybe it's under Mary comma bloody. So I looked under M and not there. Um, and I think I found it under red Mary by searching the book for tomato.

• 31:33Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Those are always weird. Um, it's always funny. One of the things I love about old cocktail books, specifically like the ones that are now famous in the cocktail world, right? Like Jerry Thomas's book that we've talked about on the show before and like, uh, Harry Craddock's Savoy Cocktail Book. Those are like the heavy hitters, right? Like those are like the godfathers of modern cocktail culture. And it always tickles me, uh, now that I have put a cocktail book into the world, which is very, very, um, nerve wracking for me. And I'm like, everybody's going to think I sting and I don't know what I'm doing. It's always good to go back and look at these and find cocktails that are literally like, I don't know, throw whiskey and cream in a glass. And it's like, wait a minute.

• 32:19Holly Frey?

  You're like. You're like the apex, dude. Some of them are really abysmal. That is an actual drink that's in the Savoy Cocktail Book. I actually, it came up on an episode of Criminilia recently called A Cowboy, and it's literally two thirds whiskey, one third cream. That doesn't sound the least bit delightful to me.

• 32:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  What is that? Yeah. It also seems like it wouldn't incorporate well, possibly.

• 32:47Holly Frey?

  Gross.

• 32:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 32:48Holly Frey?

  It sounds icky. I mean, that being said, sometimes those weird, simple things will actually be not too bad. But I have made a lot of these older cocktails.

• 32:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 32:57Holly Frey?

  Just to be like, that doesn't have a lot of stuff we'd include in, in a cocktail today. I wonder what this tastes. Nope, it's not so great or surprisingly good. And all over the map. But I'm like, well, I guess if these guys would do some, throw whiskey and cream in a glass, I don't have to feel too guilty if somebody doesn't like something.

• 33:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  That's so funny.

• 33:18Holly Frey?

  They're not over there doing this, you know, being like, let's infuse the vodka with a tea bag. Like, which is one of the, one of my favorite things to do on the planet. I was also gonna say, for people like me that don't like Bloody Marys because we don't enjoy tomato.

• 33:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh huh.

• 33:35Holly Frey?

  I will occasionally, I did it one of our early seasons of Criminilia, but I now occasionally will make it. I do a Bloody Mary with beet juice instead of tomato juice.

• 33:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh.

• 33:44Holly Frey?

  It's a very different flavor profile, obviously. It's a good bit sweeter. It doesn't have that like acid note. I quite like it.

• 33:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 33:52Holly Frey?

  But if you don't like beets, you're also out of luck.

• 33:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Um, I don't know. Uh, I initially did not like the tomato juice aspect. And so the first couple of times that I tried a Bloody Mary, I was like, no, no, thanks. Um, and then I had one that was made with like really, really fresh. Like it might have been. Made with tomatoes there at the bar lemon or tomato juice. Um, and I was like, oh, this is actually

• 34:25Holly Frey?

  This is a different situation.

• 34:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Interesting. Um, and, uh, so yeah, that's, uh, they grew on me in that way, I guess. We didn't put a please drink responsibly note at the end of the hangover episode because I felt like it was obvious we had been talking about feeling terrible and various negative health effects of alcohol. But since this episode has been more about the things we enjoy drinking.

• 34:52Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Holly Frey?

  Always drink responsibly.

• 34:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. And don't, don't drink and drive.

• 34:57Holly Frey?

  Don't do that.

• 34:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  All of that.

• 35:00Holly Frey?

  Don't rub dog hair in a wound.

• 35:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  Don't. Yeah. Don't, don't burn a dog hair and think you're going to prevent rabies. That's definitely not how that works.

• 35:10Holly Frey?

  Not how it does.

• 35:11Tracy V. Wilson?

  Um, I'll also just say, uh, I, I don't know if the next time that New Year's Day rolls around is the day that we have a podcast episode coming out, if we'll have a fun, contextually relevant episode to do, uh, cause I, uh, one year we did day planners. That was your episode and I thought that was a masterful stroke of, uh, something to do on New Year's Day. And then, uh, hangovers turned out to be really difficult.

• 35:39Holly Frey?

  We'll think of something.

• 35:41Tracy V. Wilson?

  We may think of something or we may, there may just be a random thing that has nothing to do with anything. We'll see. It's in the future. Who knows? Who knows what will happen in the future? Uh, Happy New Year, everybody. Uh, whatever's coming your way tomorrow, I hope it is great. We will have a Saturday classic tomorrow. We will have something brand new on Monday. And if you haven't, you can subscribe to the show on the iHeart radio app or wherever else you like to get your podcasts.

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