Bonus Episode - The Allegations Against Bill Murray, Your Bill Murray Stories and More

This week, Jake wrestles again with the idea that an artist whose work he admires may, in fact, be an a**hole. Plus, a listener's story of rock and roll animalism reignites a dormant memory for Jake! On Tuesday we're bringing you an episode on the one and only Beastie Boys, a band who melded their eclectic influences like no one else, and Jake wants to know: What musician has influenced you the most? Which artists have left their mark on you? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [email protected] mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 37 & 38 - N. W. A. Episode 154 - Jane's Addiction Episode 18 - Brian Jones Episode 36 - The Rolling Stones in Exile Episode 46 - The Rolling Stones at Altamont Episode 60 & 61 - The Rolling Stones in Swinging London To help provide care for animals affected by the Eaton Fire in Los Angeles, please visit PasedenaHumane.org https://pasadenahumane.org/. To hear an extended version of the After Party, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod X https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:16Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:43Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about allegations that have been made against Bill Murray. Also talking about your personal stories involving Bill Murray and, well, your favorite Bill Murray movies and roles and, of course, your voicemails and texts. And as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:24Jake Brennan?

  So Bill Murray is an asshole. It pains me to say that, but it's true. But wait, Jake, what about all the praise you've heaped on Bill Murray over the past few days in the previous Afterparty episode and in the full episode that we just heard and on social media talking to us? Well, I guess I'm praising a caricature of Bill Murray, a composite. I've subconsciously invented this composite. It's a combination, the coolest of Bill Murray's characters and the mythical everyman stories that we've all heard about regarding Bill Murray over the years and that some of you have even experienced that we're going to hear later in the show. But what I've learned over the last week in digging deeper into Bill Murray is that as much as I love Private John Winger from Stripes

• 4:09Jake Brennan?

  or Steve Zissou from A Life Aquatic or any other number of iconic Bill Murray characters, Bill seems to be, well, an asshole. And this is complicated, okay? It doesn't also mean that he's not a great guy. Doesn't mean that he wasn't that cool dude who served you a drink at your favorite bar or that let you play through on the golf course or helped some little old lady cross the street or whatever. But the evidence of Bill Murray's prickish behavior, it's not hard to find, and there is a lot of it. And sure, some of the allegations might be a little suspect. But after researching this behavior myself, my gut tells me that people like Angelica Huston, Harold Ramus and others, they have legitimate beef with Bill Murray.

• 4:52Jake Brennan?

  I woke up the morning before recording this episode and did a quick Google search for, for Bill Murray, just to see if there was anything in the news that I wasn't aware of. I know Bill, I believe he's currently on tour with his band. And I just wanted to, you know, I didn't want to record this and be overlooking anything. And lo and behold, there were three pages of returns, search returns on Google regarding the allegations made by actress Lucy Liu, claiming that Bill Murray hurled unacceptable insults at her on the set of Charlie's Angels. No real specifics, just allegations. Liu came out and brought this up in an interview with The Guardian just a couple of days ago this week, which is why it's now back in the news.

• 5:36Jake Brennan?

  But again, no specifics, but still, I'm like, hmm, okay. And I've heard, I've heard a little bit from you guys on social as well, some comments about Bill's behavior. And I knew there was some, some loose, I don't want to say me too, that's the wrong word, but some, some, some allegations from a couple of years ago. And I remember, I remember doing my own sort of quick Google search on that and not finding anything that was particularly compelling. I'm using that word carefully. So anyways, I decided to just dive in a little bit deeper, see what else was out there. It's important to note that I didn't write this Bill Murray episode. I did not research it and I did not write it. I just voiced it and I produced it and I'm not making excuses in any way.

• 6:19Jake Brennan?

  I only say that as a means to illustrate that my knowledge of Bill Murray is not, say, the same knowledge base I have of an episode that I research myself and that I write myself, like this upcoming Beastie Boys episode next week. But back to Bill Murray and back to the allegations. I dug a little bit deeper and there's a lot, okay? There's a lot of allegations. Bill Murray from co-stars of his in the past. And I want to be careful about the word allegations here. These do not, in most cases, rise to the typical fare of horror that we discuss with, with our subjects. Like I said at the top, Bill Murray is an asshole. Okay, there's lots of people who are assholes. Doesn't mean they're not great artists.

• 7:01Jake Brennan?

  And we can litigate whether or not some of these allegations are just asshole behavior, or if they, they, they elevate beyond that. The most damning of these allegations comes from actress Gina Davis, who starred in a, in a Bill Murray movie that I'd never seen called Quick Change from 1990. Davis claims that Bill wouldn't take no for an answer. The incident didn't go full Louis CK, but Bill Murray allegedly made Gina Davis lay down in a bed while he used a massage device on her. And Davis says, quote, "I said no multiple times, but he wouldn't relent." Gina Davis says that, of course, about Bill Murray. There are numerous other allegations that don't rise to sexual misconduct. And Gina Davis isn't, isn't exactly alleging sexual misconduct here.

• 7:46Jake Brennan?

  I want to be careful. She's alleging exactly what I just read to you. Okay. These other allegations, however, they, they just paint this picture of a prick, of an asshole. Like I said, a moody comedian, perhaps often hungover, who has a hard time with authority. And you mix that with Murray's obvious and pretty consistent, smart ass attitude that he's demonstrated throughout the years. And you start to see what's going on. The guy's an asshole. Solange Knowles, and for those of you who don't know, this is Beyonce's sister. Solange Knowles went on SNL in 2016 and performed a song titled "Don't Touch My Hair." So what did Bill Murray do backstage? According to writer, producer Jed Maierd, he touched Solange's hair. And he was kind of a prick, constantly peppering her with questions about her hair.

• 8:31Jake Brennan?

  And I don't need to tell you what that means. Okay, but it doesn't mean nothing. Again, guy can be a prick. Rob Schneider recently detailed a 1993 hosting stint on SNL by Bill Murray where Bill, according to Rob, demonstrated quote unquote naked rage toward cast members. Schneider alleges that Bill Murray hated, including himself, and most specifically including Adam Sandler and Chris Farley, who we just featured a couple of weeks ago on Disgraceland. And Murray reportedly couldn't stand these guys. Allegedly, Bill Murray also iced out Harold Ramis for 20 years. That comes from Harold Ramis's daughter. And Bill Murray hurtfully shut out Angelica Huston on the set of Life Aquatic. And that comes from Angelica Huston.

• 9:15Jake Brennan?

  Bill Murray shoved a nine-year-old Seth Green into a trash can. He threw an ashtray at the head of Richard Dreyfuss on the set of What About Bob? And according to divorce proceedings with his ex-wife, Jennifer Murray, Bill hit her in the face. Now, this last allegation, like the Gina Davis allegation, is indefensible if true. But the other allegations paint the picture of a jerk. So who knows where Bill Murray's line was, where Bill Murray's line is, and what he was capable of in the past, or what he's capable of in the future? That said, none of it changes how I feel about Bill Murray, the actor. I can hold the two thoughts in my head at the same time. One, Bill Murray may be an asshole.

• 9:58Jake Brennan?

  Two, Bill Murray may be one of the funniest dudes to ever do it. But given that this is disgraceland and this tension between art and artists is central to what we do here, yo, it's important that if I discover this stuff the morning before an after-party by just doing a shallow research dive into Bill Murray, that I need to bring you guys this. Otherwise, I would be being disingenuous, okay? That's why I'm doing it. That's why I'm bringing you these recently learned facts. When it comes to being an actual good dude, Bill Murray appears to be, as he would say, medium talent. Still to come, your stories about Bill Murray and your favorite Bill Murray performances when we get into your voicemails and texts. Real quick, though, this week, we've got another legend popping up in your feed in the rewind slot after this here after-party bonus episode.

• 10:43Jake Brennan?

  And that's a full episode on Keith Richards and Keith's Canadian bust in the 70s, Justin Trudeau's mom, the then-prime minister's wife in bed with Mick Jagger and Ronnie Wood, and Justin's dad, Fidel Castro, wait a minute, alleged dad, I should say. Tell me I'm wrong. Watching it all go down from the shores of Cuba. It's the very first Rolling Stones episode, guys, that we ever released. And it's a doozy, and I hope you revisit it with us this week in the rewind slot. And I hope you take my tongue-in-cheek conspiracy claims here with a grain of salt and all due qualifications. That said, I don't know, those images, young Fidel Castro, young Justin Trudeau, those are compelling. All right. Of course, next week, we're hitting

• 11:26Jake Brennan?

  you guys with our Beastie Boys episode. And when you're listening to this episode, an episode about influence, why you guys be thinking about which musician has had the most influence on you and why? And I don't mean musically, you don't have to be a musician to answer this question. I heard a great quote last week from, I can't remember where I heard it from. I was talking about it last night at dinner. It's a very simple quote about how storytelling in general can be inspiring in different ways. And it's so obvious that it goes without even saying. We just, I take it for granted. I watch stuff all the time. I listen to stuff all the time. I hear stories all the time. They all influence me. They all motivate me. They all compel me to do different things. And this is especially true of musicians. And even though I've been a musician, or I am a musician, you know,

• 12:10Jake Brennan?

  made my living as a musician at one point in my life, and I talk about musicians, you know, even when I was a kid, I was inspired deeply by certain musicians in non-musical ways. So you can get at me by answering this question, either from a musical standpoint, if you, if you are a musician, or from a non-musical standpoint. I just want to know, as you're going to hear in this Beastie Boys episode, that is all about influence. I just want to know which musicians have left their mark on you and who have most influenced you. Let me know. And of course, let me know why. 617-906-6638. Hit me up. Ask for Cookie Puss. Leave a voicemail or a text for the best in men's clothing. That's at Disgrace

• 12:51Jake Brennan?

  Slam Pod on the socials, Instagram, Facebook, X, and disgrace slam pod at gmail.com. I'll be back right after this with your calls, texts, and DMs on last week's question of the week.

• 13:12Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 13:42Speaker 05

  Hello, hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I spoke with IBM's Ana Paula Assis about what digital sovereignty actually means in the age of AI.

• 13:53Speaker 06

  AI now moves from somebody operating a system to the technology actually making decisions. So you have to have a much better visibility of what AI is touching, data it is accessing, and where.

• 14:10Speaker 05

  Hear the full conversation wherever you get your podcasts.

• 14:21Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys. This is a reminder to make sure that if you're an Apple Podcast listener, you got those auto downloads turned on so that you're not missing any of these episodes. You're gonna go into the app, you gotta turn the auto downloads on, all right? Okay, let's get to you guys. This week's story of the week comes from Disco Amanda Duggan, or Dugan. I'm not sure how to pronounce Amanda's last name. I apologize for getting it half wrong, at least. Anyways, Amanda is in Little Rhodey, and Amanda writes, "Hey, Jake, Amanda from the 401 here, and I just wanted to tell you about my small run-in with Jack Black. My friends and I all went to see Tenacious D maybe 12 years ago. And when they came to Providence, first of all, Jack Black went on to a talk show and had no idea where Rhode Island even was."

• 15:05Jake Brennan?

  That's offensive. As someone from New England, that's offensive. You gotta know where Rhode Island is. How do you not know where a state is? Jeez, man. Amanda is more charitable than I am, she goes on to say, "But a lot of people wouldn't know, I guess, right?" She says, "So we all took a few cars up to Providence. I got free drinks all night because I was wearing my kitten mitten shirt from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Great time. I caught a guitar pick from Jack, and when the show was over, my friends, all except for my best friend who wanted to go to a party..." Well, if you know Lupo slash Roxy in Providence, and you know that the tour bus always parks in the back and there's really only one way out, "So we waited in the snow, and Jack Black finally came out, and there weren't that many people there. So I got a hug from Jack, and he told me

• 15:45Jake Brennan?

  he loved me after I screamed that I loved him. What an awesome night. And my friends who left were so mad. Thanks for reading. Love the show so much. Thanks for keeping Rock alive. You got it, Amanda." You guys know the drill. You email me, you text me, send me a voicemail with your stories of rock and roll, animalism, or otherwise, and I'm gonna pick one and read it here every week, thus contributing to the preservation of the rock and roll spirit here in Disgrace Land in a very real and tangible way. 200 years from now, guys, when the AI is writing all the hit songs and rock and roll is just a far more distant memory than it even is today, the future world can listen to Disgrace Land right here. They can hear your voices detailing the once mighty spirit of rock and roll. Okay, you can also hit me up with

• 16:28Jake Brennan?

  your answers to our question of the week, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text, at Disgrace Land Pod on the socials. Last week's question of the week was, what was your favorite Bill Murray performance? Sub-question, I ask for you guys to hit me with any firsthand, personal Bill Murray stories from your encounters with this week's full episode subject. Steve in Australia. Yeah, Jake, it's Steve from the 3183 in Australia, in Melbourne. The Bill Murray roles, favorite Bill Murray role. I wanna first off give a special mention to Bill Murray in Tootsie. Think he's fantastic in that, perfect blend of struggling playwright and

• 17:10Jake Brennan?

  street smart New Yorker who doesn't mind getting himself ripped every now and then is a group of friends. And I probably am far from the first one to suggest this. I think Bill Murray, my favorite Bill Murray role is easily in Stripes. He's just fantastic stuff. And it's not about Bill Murray, but you have to also mention Harold Ramus in the same breath. May he rest in peace. But just, you know, Bill Murray's work as John Winger in Stripes is absolutely outstanding. My favorite Bill Murray role from Miles and Miles.

• 17:51Jake Brennan?

  Steve, I gotta hand it to you, man. I have no recollection of Bill Murray being in Tootsie. And I've seen Tootsie, but I think I've only seen it as a child. And I'm really excited about going back and watching it right now because I don't, I can't remember this role at all. But also, of course, Stripes, John Winger, Steve, my favorite performance as well. Incredible. I think it's the iconic Bill Murray, early first half of his career. I think it's the iconic Bill Murray performance to be all other performances. All right, let's check out the 862. Hey Jake, it's Tom from the 862. You wanted Bill Murray stories. I encountered Bill Murray

• 18:32Jake Brennan?

  in the airport one time. Being a fan, I walked up to Mr. Murray, asked for an autograph. He proceeded to take out a pen and a piece of paper. Looked at me and said, I'd like your autograph. So I gave my autograph. He looked at it and said, hey, that's pretty good. Thanks. And he proceeded to give me his autograph. So peace. Talk to you soon. Bye. Amazing story, 862. Appreciate you. I love this because it's just so on brand for Bill Murray, turning it around. Beautiful story. Thanks, 317-617-906-6638. 317 writes in, hey Jake, this is Lauren from the 208, but with a 317 area code. Bill Murray steals the scene with whatever

• 19:12Jake Brennan?

  he does, even in Zombie Land. Truly proves there are only small actors in not small roles. He's hilarious as Zombie Murray. Love the show. Never seen Zombie Land, but of course, now you got me intrigued and I'm gonna check it out. I wonder if it's appropriate for my kids. I'm struggling finding movies to watch with my children. I think I'm gonna show them Blues Brothers. Side note, I showed him the James Brown church scene the other day. I think I can work my way around the sort of not so safe for kids parts in that movie. I don't know. I'll check it out or report back. Dawn from the 619, formerly from the 773, writes in, my favorite Bill Murray movie is Lost in Translation. As a former flight attendant, this film is close to my heart as it perfectly depicts

• 19:53Jake Brennan?

  how it feels to be totally immersed in a foreign environment and how finding a friend is so awesome. It also shows the transient nature of these friendships. Love this text. Thank you, Dawn. I appreciate that. And that movie, I think that's the quintessential movie, just like Stripes is of the first half of Murray's career, of the second half of Murray's career. More Than Life Aquatic, which I might like more, but I think Lost in Translation is probably.

• 20:19Jake Brennan?

  A better performance for, for, for old Bill. And to that point, uh, 775 writes in, as I get older, things I found funny in my younger days don't hold up. As such, I find Bill Murray much more compelling and dramatic roles where he can provide some comic relief. I really like St. Vincent for this reason. There are a handful of others I also like, but this is the one that sticks with me for some reason. For straight comedy, I liked What About Bob? Love What About Bob? I'm happy that Bill Murray didn't bean Richard Dreyfuss with that, with that ashtray on the set of What About Bob? Um, St. Vincent, I've only seen once. I don't really remember it. I remember liking it. I guess I just, I don't really remember. It's a really interesting point that you bring up here, 775. Um, I think I went through a phase where the things that I

• 21:03Jake Brennan?

  found funny when I was younger, no longer appealed to me, um, or to my sense of humor for a brief period of time. But now I'm finding I've sort of reverted to form and I laugh even harder at the things that I found funny when I was a kid. Recently showed my kids some Beavis and Butthead episodes because they've been hectoring me to, to watch the series and there's no way I'm letting them do that. But I did police it sort of on YouTube, sort of pick some episodes that I could watch with them and stop or fast forward if things got a little too Beavis-y. And I was dying. I was dying laughing. So, uh, I don't know, maybe 775, at some point,

• 21:47Jake Brennan?

  you're going to come back around. You're going to find those old Bill Murray movies funny again. Who knows? Why not? Right? That'd be a good thing, right? 617-906-6638. You guys want to send me some texts? You want to send me some voicemails? Whatever you want to do. You can also hit me up at Disgrace Slam Pod on Facebook, on Instagram, on X. Lincoln Jesick on Instagram writes, I had a sore throat. I drank Fireball. No more sore throat. Now I'm drunk. Take notes, Jake Brennan. Lincoln?

• 22:17Jake Brennan?

  That might be my favorite text of the day. Thank you. Lots of Bill Murray content over on our Facebook page and lots of commentary there from all of you users. Good conversations going. We told the story on social media this week, which we told in the episode, we sort of micro atomized it, I should say, the story of Bill Murray coming to blows with Chevy Chase, almost on live TV, but they were broken up by John Belushi before SNL went live that night. And we, like I said, we mentioned this, we tell this story on Instagram and on Facebook, and a lot of you have chimed in. So I'm in there as well. Head over to facebook.com at disgracelandpod. Follow us over there if you're not already. Follow us on Instagram,

• 22:58Jake Brennan?

  follow us on X and get into the conversation. All right, I want to finish this segment with one more story of rock and roll animalism. This one was quite hysterically emailed to me by Double Elvis Head of Operations Jamie Dimas, who I work with closely here. Now Jamie emails me every day, but she sent this to the disgraceland email, which I think was funny. And I talked to Jamie quite frequently on the telephone and she did not mention this. And I loved it. I love that she just sent it in as a disgraceland listener. And it's a great story. So I'm going to read it to you here. It says, Hey Jake, I've been listening to the after-party episodes and want to contribute my craziest, most dangerous rock and roll experience to this conversation. It was August 8,

• 23:41Jake Brennan?

  1992, an insane, all caps, lineup at Lollapalooza, Great Woods. Great Woods is the big shed amphitheater in Massachusetts, in western Massachusetts, for those who don't know. Here's the lineup from Jamie's perspective, starting with lush Pearl Jam, Jesus and Mary Chain, Soundgarden, Ice Cube, Ministry, and the headliners, Red Hot Chili Peppers. I was there on the lawn with my then-boyfriend, Arthur. Everything was fine and dandy until Ministry hit the stage. And I was not at all familiar with their stuff, but they were loud and dark and they started whipping up the crowd. We noticed a small fire around the lawn. And, okay, so here's what you gotta know. Great Woods, the first section of the crowd, like the first 100 rows or something, 200, whatever it is,

• 24:24Jake Brennan?

  there are seats. And then behind those seats, there's a walkway. And then behind that walkway is a big grass hill, which they call the lawn. And that's sort of general admission seating up there. And that's where shit went down if you were going to Great Woods back in the day. So Jamie goes on to say, "We noticed a small fire on the lawn. People were burning mostly trash at first, and then more fires. Then some guys started pulling down the wooden fencing surrounding the venue, using the planks to build a huge bonfire. We're talking 20-foot flames. It was insane. Soon, hordes of kids were running in circles around the enormous fire. And the show went on. And I distinctly remember someone throwing a blanket on the fire, which exploded into a huge burst of flames. It was terrifying. At this point, there were fires all over the lawn.

• 25:08Jake Brennan?

  All hell was breaking loose in the lawn section. People started pulling up sections of the turf and hurling at all the people sitting in the seats. And only after people in the seats were getting hit with bottles and chunks of turf, did the venue stop the performance. My memory is a bit shady. Pretty sure I consumed some shrooms that evening, but I recall Al Jurgensen asking the crowd to cut the shit so they could keep playing. I also remember fire trucks coming to put out the fires on the lawn. But after that, the show went on, and Red Hot Chili Peppers played an amazing set that night. Exemplifies your point about true rock and roll being dangerous rock-a-rola." Jamie, great story. And you don't know this, but I was actually at that show. We didn't know each other at that point, and I remember it distinctly, but I had forgotten about it, which is why I wanted to read this. How does one forget about a massive bonfire at a concert?

• 25:53Jake Brennan?

  And this thing was huge. Now I remember. And I remember the people dancing around it. To Ministry, by the way. And I was a fan of Ministry, so I knew very well what Ministry was cooking up. And it was dark, and that whole imagery was borderline satanic. What is with people starting fires? Side note, caveat, obviously, there's a lot going on in Los Angeles. A lot of people have been affected by this. Horrible, horrible disaster. And we're still getting to the bottom of how it started, and there's a lot of information out there. But I have seen videos, recent videos, of people lighting fires in Los Angeles, in these neighborhoods, adding...

• 26:31Jake Brennan?

  To the disaster, to the tragedy with this ludacy, and I just don't fucking get it. I said it before, I'll say it again to any of you who are affected by these fires out there, God bless, I'm thinking of you, I'm thinking of your families. I had a close friend of mine has lost his entire house. I know that I am not unique. I know that a lot of people have friends and family out there who have suffered immense loss, and I'm sure some of you who will eventually hear this will have suffered some sort of loss as well. And again, my heart breaks for you, and I hope you're doing as well as you can be. I just would like to say, I've seen evidence of this all over social media, and I just want to point it out that in the darkness, there is light, and we are seeing people

• 27:15Jake Brennan?

  come together in the face of this tragedy and help out other folks. And I just think that is wonderful, and I want to shine a little light on that, and we should, we should try to focus on that as best we can. I'm gonna take a quick break, I'll be back in a flash.

• 27:35Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one, they just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated, it should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  Hello, hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I spoke with IBM's Ana Paula Assis about what digital sovereignty actually means in the age of AI.

• 28:16Speaker 06

  AI now moves from somebody operating a system to the technology actually making decisions. So you have to have a much better visibility of what AI is touching, data it is accessing, and where.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  Hear the full conversation wherever you get your podcasts.

• 28:43Jake Brennan?

  All right, I am back. One more thing on the LA wildfires here. There's lots of places to donate to, you know, Red Cross, there's local organizations as well. You guys are all on social media. You see, you see these organizations popping up. I know you're donating. I reached out to a friend of mine in Los Angeles and I just wanted to ask him specifically. His home was spared, although he lives near Altadena. And I asked him, I was like, are there any organizations you want me to call out? And he specifically mentioned Pasadena Humane. And you can go to give.pasadenahumane.org. And obviously, we're thinking of all the

• 29:25Jake Brennan?

  people who are affected by this horrible tragedy. And one of the really bad results of what's happening out there, the Palisades and everywhere else in Los Angeles where these fires are occurring is the displacement of all these animals who have nowhere to go. And Pasadena Humane, from my guy Chris's perspective, is a worthy organization who's helping with these displaced animals. And again, you can go to give.pasadenahumane.org if you care to donate. And of course, there's always the Red Cross. And as I said, a host of other organizations doing really good work out there. All right, let's do some, what are we gonna do here? Let's do some reviews real quick. The reviews, as you know,

• 30:07Jake Brennan?

  help with the show, help with discovery. Carol Trotta over on Spotify writes in reaction to the Bill Murray episode. Love the show. The way you tell each story has me hooked, even when I'm not a fan of the subject. Not the case with this episode. She's talking about Bill Murray. Keep up the great storytelling. You got it, Carol. Carol, get in touch. Hit me up. We'll get you some merch. This one comes on Apple Podcast from He's HRD GTG. Subject, Jerry Lee Lewis, five stars. Just so you guys know, we re-released the Jerry Lee Lewis episode in the rewind slot. I think you do know that. I talked about it in last week's after party. Listener goes on, right, I've listened to every episode and this one remains my favorite. It's the alpha, the promise of what will be delivered. Jake took on one of the wildest

• 30:49Jake Brennan?

  rockers ever and set the stage for more epic episodes that keep me tuned in every week. I appreciate this review. We released that Jerry Lee episode back in 2018. It's 2025 and we are still going strong. Get in touch, whatever your name is. This is the weirdest handle. He's HRD GTG and we'll get you some free merch. All right. At disgracelandpod on the DMs, [email protected] if you want to send me an email. And I'm reading this email from Penny Wenninger because I'll tell you why in a second. It's Penny goes on to say, you asked for my favorite Bill Murray movie. Mine is one that might be overlooked.

• 31:32Jake Brennan?

  Meatballs, a funny, feel-good story featuring Bill at his nuttiest in compassion itself. Looking forward to the episode. I, you know, guys, I can't, I think of all the movies that I received incoming on, on Bill Murray. Meatballs got the most heat, which is why I'm reading Penny's email here. Not that I particularly care about meatballs that much, not my favorite movie, you know, but you guys love it. So I just figured, hey, give the people what they want. Penny, thanks for the email. Appreciate you. Everyone else who wrote in about meatballs, appreciate you as well, but come on, Stripes is better. You know, you know, you know it. You know it. All right, guys. Next week for you guys,

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  All Access episode on Towns Van Zant, great Texas songwriter, one of the wildest to ever do it. Great. It's not even, that adjective just doesn't work, you know? Anyways, you're gonna have to hear this episode. If you're an All Access member, this is your exclusive episode for the month. Next month, you're gonna get an episode on Stevie Ray Vaughan. I don't know why we stayed in Texas for these two episodes, but we did. So I just wanted to hip you to all that because this episode here is nearing its end. But again, All Access members are gonna know, after-party continues for you right here. Okay. Go to disgracelandpod.com/membership. You can sign up for five bucks a month. You're gonna get ad-free listening. You're gonna get that exclusive episode every month, only

• 32:54Jake Brennan?

  as a member. Like the Townes Van Zandt one, or the upcoming Stevie Ray Vaughan one. I'm about to figure out a whole slate of other exclusive episodes for our Patreon members. You don't want to miss this. Five bucks. It's the cost, like I said it before, it's like the cost of a beer. It's the cost of an expensive latte, or, you know, a good little cheap coffee in a little deli in one of those like, blue and white Greek coffee cup things, you know? Coffee shouldn't be over a buck. There are certain things, just side note, certain things, it shouldn't be over a dollar. Coffee, a hot dog, an ice cream cone, even certain domestic beers, just a buck, okay? I would donate to a politician who ran on that platform. All right, you can sign up at disgracelandpod.com/membership.

• 33:39Jake Brennan?

  Back in a flash.

• 34:02Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. Mentioned a bunch of artists in this episode. As always, some of them have been covered in Disgraceland and are there in the archive for you. Jane's Addiction, okay? Soundgarden. We mentioned Ice Cube. We don't have an Ice Cube episode, but I guess we could. We have two NWA episodes. And we have six Rolling Stones episodes, and they all start with the Keith Richards episode that is being re-released as a rewind episode right after this bonus episode in your feed. But if you are interested, the Keith episode, that's part one. Then there's a Brian Jones episode we released a season later. We released an episode on Altamont, another episode on exile,

• 34:43Jake Brennan?

  exile on Main Street, and two episodes on the Stones' early days in London. So that's six Rolling Stones episodes. Get into them. For all these archive episodes, Matt's going to have the information, all that stuff in the show notes. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, I want your story. Call me, text me, hit me up on the socials. Your favorite story of rock and roll animalism is wild. A story about a rock star that you're aware of or that you want me to tell can be something that I've already talked about, could be something that you only know about, something that happened to you, or maybe not, maybe it's something from history. Let me know, let me know who you are, let me know where you're from and how long you've been listening to Disgrace Lane. Number two, right now in your feed, our episode on Bill Murray. Number three, coming tomorrow, rewinding back to our first Rolling Stones

• 35:28Jake Brennan?

  episode on Keith Richards. Number four, merch winners, get in touch, you know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, my favorite Bill Murray movie was released on June 26, 1981, and that would be Stripes. And in honor of that date, here's the Billboard charts from that week. Number one, mistaken identity, Kim Carnes, last week. Two, peak position, one, weeks on chart, nine. Number two, high infidelity, REO Speedwagon, last week, one. Peak position, one, weeks on chart, two.

• 36:07Jake Brennan?

  Number three, dirty deeds done dirt cheap, AC/DC, last week, three. Peak position, three, weeks on chart, 11. Number four, Paradise Theater, Sticks, last week, four. Peak position, one, weeks on chart, last 22.

• 36:43Jake Brennan?

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