The 25 Most Anticipated Movies of 2025

Sean and Amanda discuss the latest out of the guild award nominations and what it portends for Oscar chances (1:00). They then look ahead to the rest of 2025 and share their 25 collectively most anticipated movies of the year (31:00), including new films from favorites of the show like Paul Thomas Anderson, Wes Anderson, Richard Linklater, Bong Joon-Ho, Steven Soderbergh, and Luca Guadagnino, as well as long awaited follow-ups from exciting young directors like Chloe Zhao, Celine Song, Joseph Kosinski, and more. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:31Sean Fennessey?

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• 3:14Sean Fennessey?

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• 3:25Sean Fennessey?

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• 3:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 3:27Sean Fennessey?

  And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the most anticipated movies of the year. Amanda, we have some news to discuss. Obviously, we are very lucky to be safe and home and back in Los Angeles. It's been an epically terrible last five or six days here in the city. We were fortunate enough to get out of the city, and our loved ones are safe. But we have been living through a truly nightmarish time. Appreciate everybody who is checking in on us, checking in on folks working on the show, checking in on folks at The Ringer. Really grateful for that. We know a lot of people have been meaningfully impacted by the fires over the last few days. So, I want to just thank everyone for thinking about us and think about the people that are here in the city that are a part of the communities that we cover on a regular basis

• 4:11Sean Fennessey?

  and that are really profoundly, deeply impacted by everything that's going on.

• 4:15Amanda Dobbins?

  We're, we're okay and we're incredibly lucky. And I would add, thank you to everyone who reached out to us. I, I would also add that this is just ongoing. You know, it's, it's still happening in a weather sense, in a community sense, in a trying to help people. And, and in an industry sense. And so a lot of the things that we're going to talk about today, from the Oscars to the most anticipated movies of 2025, uh, you know, I, I think things will shake out differently this year. The, we're only, we, at the beginning of the, the consequences of this. So lots of love to, to everyone affected in ways, big and small. Um, and, and also let us know what we can do to help now that we're back. You know, I, I sincerely mean that, whether we can amplify stuff or donate stuff or whatever.

• 5:00Sean Fennessey?

  In theory, we are, uh, supporting an industry that is going to be deeply impacted by this. Um, it's very strange that this is happening smack dab in the middle of award season. Because award season drives, uh, a lot of meaningful employment across this city. And obviously a lot of that has been shaken up pretty profoundly. Just this morning, we got an announcement that the Academy Award nominations will be pushed back. They were supposed to be this Friday, then they were pushed to Sunday. And now they're happening on Thursday, the 23rd at 5:00 AM. We will podcast that morning if they are announced. We have no idea. That's actually going to happen, as you said, this is a very fluid situation.

• 5:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 5:37Sean Fennessey?

  The Academy has also said that the intention is to keep the telecast on March 2nd. We'll see if that holds. It's very unusual for the Academy Awards to be moved. It's only happened a handful of times. And when it has happened, it's only been by a day or two or a couple of days more. So we'll keep an eye on that, obviously, as we're covering the show. Um, you know, the awards race seems like ridiculous, but it is, it is like something that is at the center of Los Angeles in so many ways. And just as a lot of the news was unfolding, as the fires were growing and growing on Tuesday night into Wednesday. That was when announcements were supposed to start happening. There was supposed to be a big fancy SAG Awards announcement that got turned into an email.

• 6:22Sean Fennessey?

  Some other bodies have pushed their announcements. The PGAs just announced that they'll push their announcement until later next week. The WGA has still not announced their awards. I don't know if they're gonna push it or not. They may announce later today.

• 6:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe they'll do it while we're recording.

• 6:36Sean Fennessey?

  It could, could very well.

• 6:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Breaking news alert.

• 6:38Sean Fennessey?

  I think that this could have been an email, like, has taken on new meaning in this context, given how dour and intense everything is.

• 6:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe they just haven't sent the email yet, you know?

• 6:50Sean Fennessey?

  Do they know how to send an email? You know, we don't even know. We're waiting to find out. SAG did send the email. Let's just do some takeaways. So.

• 6:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 6:58Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think it's worth running through every category? It's a precious, it's a small group of nominees on the film side. Do you want to hear it just to emotionally refresh?

• 7:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and I'd love to hear you do movie phone voice.

• 7:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I'm happy to do it. Obviously, film ensemble is the big category at the Screen Actors Guild.

• 7:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Why don't we do one category at a time and then we can do takeaways?

• 7:18Sean Fennessey?

  That sounds great, meaning I'll say.

• 7:20Amanda Dobbins?

  You'll do movie phone voice and then we'll have some emotional reactions and then we'll go to the next one.

• 7:25Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I see, okay. Yeah, that sounds good.

• 7:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 7:27Sean Fennessey?

  So, film ensemble, that's the big.

• 7:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 7:29Sean Fennessey?

  Big tuna here. The nominees in that category are Enora, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, Emilia Perez, and Wicked.

• 7:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:39Sean Fennessey?

  Your thoughts?

• 7:41Amanda Dobbins?

  People really love Emilia Perez.

• 7:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, what? I do, I'd like to hear from those people. I'd like to meet them. I know you and Joanna have talked a lot about you don't really know anyone. I have not yet met anyone who's enthusiastic about that film, but it is persistent. So, they gotta be out there.

• 8:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's, um, I'm starting to wrap my head around the Emilia Perez thing potentially happening.

• 8:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's increasingly and increasingly likely because, again, it is kind of an international production, cast, voting body, and it just, it won't give up.

• 8:20Sean Fennessey?

  It won't. It is a divisive movie and with ranked choice, that does present some issues. I think, you know, not to skip ahead too far, but the fact that.

• 8:31Sean Fennessey?

  Selena Gomez did not make the cut here. I would say, I don't know if it's encouraging, but the fact that she's not represented means that it's not an overwhelming amount of support here that some other folks are getting involved. To me, the big surprise in this category was A Complete Unknown getting in and over movies like Sing Sing, where people thought that maybe there would be a good narrative around that. I think in addition to that, Enora had a tough Golden Globes and is now here in ensemble. I think it's a great nomination. That is a great ensemble. Conclave, I always felt like it was gonna make it in.

• 9:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 9:01Sean Fennessey?

  Wicked is not surprising at all, though Wicked showed a ton of strength in these nominees, as we will get to as we go down the line.

• 9:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. You do have to think a little bit about the voting body, which is the Screen Actors Guild, which is a really, really large guild, filled with, and I say this with love, and I've got actors in my life, and I think they're awesome. Hi, Tim, how are you? You know, they're actors, you know? They like, they enjoy certain performances and they've historically prized certain things and not been as interested in other things. And, you know, you look at something like this Selena Gomez snub, but you see that Carla Sofia Gascón was nominated and Zoe Saldana and the film, and you're like, well, maybe they don't like this Disney pop star infringing on their space a little.

• 9:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, it's been a dark week, maybe we can just, we can have a little fun with the narratives. So, Wicked is a theater kid movie, and I think probably speaks to theater kids. And that's cool.

• 10:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 10:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I had a beautiful Wicked moment with your daughter this week. Yeah, you were literally sitting right there, remember?

• 10:10Sean Fennessey?

  It's been a long week.

• 10:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Alice and I did the silent dance. But what was so amazing is like, I sort of, I queued her up for it because she was wearing an Elphaba dress, right? And I said, should we do the Glinda Elphaba dance? And I kind of held my hand up, and she knew all of it, and she like really locked in. Well, she didn't know it. We were just kind of... Awkwardly moving in silence.

• 10:31Sean Fennessey?

  She has a connection to you, so she was connecting with you.

• 10:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, and it was real, I mean, I, I love it, but like it went on for a long time and she was willing to hang in as, as everyone else in that movie and many supporters are, and I was really impressed with that. So Wicked is speaking to people. It's speaking to your daughter. It's speaking to large groups of actors.

• 10:52Sean Fennessey?

  It is. It really is. Um, you know, if films like Emilia Perez and Wicked and A Complete Unknown are getting in, you know, Sing Sing is out, The Brutalist also not represented here, which is very notable. The two tracts that I was hearing from people over the past six or so days since The Golden Globes was Brutalist is definitely winning, or Emilia Perez is definitely winning. Now, when those, when that starts happening, that kind of bifurcation, I tend to think neither of them are gonna win. I haven't fully moved off my Enora thing, even though it seems like Enora is in a tough spot right now, because it feels like everyone has admiration for Enora.

• 11:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 11:28Sean Fennessey?

  Whereas a lot of these other movies are very divisive, but.

• 11:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I should, I should add, um, my Brutalist tickets were for Wednesday, January 8th. So thank you to the Vista for that prompt refund. Um, I, I didn't make it. I will, I will get there.

• 11:44Sean Fennessey?

  I had a ticket for Thursday and they also refunded me for Thursday as well.

• 11:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, they did? Oh, good. Okay, my husband.

• 11:49Sean Fennessey?

  What a wonderful movie theater.

• 11:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, my husband had a ticket for Thursday night. I haven't, I haven't checked on that refund.

• 11:53Sean Fennessey?

  I'm going on Friday now, in theory.

• 11:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, in the afternoon or evening?

• 11:57Sean Fennessey?

  In the afternoon.

• 11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  We'll talk, we just did some scheduling. How are you? You're gonna be gone all day?

• 12:03Sean Fennessey?

  I'm a working man in this fine city.

• 12:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that's true. So am I. I'm gonna, I'm aiming for next week.

• 12:07Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Um, I don't really know, you know, The Brutalist, obviously more of an arthouse film. Um, I think a divisive movie, a movie that arrived later in the year. You know, there were a couple of notable omissions from their cast in this lineup, too. I do want to raise the specter of the, um, the alphabet bias in SAG voting. Are you familiar with this theory?

• 12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  That we have a lot of A, Bs, and Cs?

• 12:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, so some awards bodies, when they send out their ballots, this is a true story. Some awards bodies, when they send out their ballots, will do, for example, I believe the Grammys does this, they'll have an A, B, C, D row, and then they'll have a Z, Y, X row, where they'll go sort of reverse.

• 12:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 12:48Sean Fennessey?

  So that it keeps a sense of balance in terms of what names you're seeing and checking off as you go through your ballot. SAG, over the years, has leaned very front half alphabet over the years.

• 13:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, A, A, C, E.

• 13:02Sean Fennessey?

  Preposterous, but look at the nominees.

• 13:03Amanda Dobbins?

  B, C, C, D, and Film Actor.

• 13:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, let's just use Film Actor as a transitional point of discussion.

• 13:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, I mean, but this is also, in some ways, yes, but also I think this is the five.

• 13:13Sean Fennessey?

  I agree with you, but is the awards race being fully codified in Best Actor because of the alphabet bias of SAG?

• 13:19Amanda Dobbins?

  This is really funny.

• 13:20Sean Fennessey?

  So the nominees for Best Actor, why don't you do it?

• 13:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, for Film Actor, Adrian Brody, The Brutalist, Timothy Chalamet, A Complete Unknown, Daniel Craig, Queer, Coleman Domingos, Sing Sing, and Ralph Fiennes, Conclave.

• 13:31Sean Fennessey?

  Right, so B, C, C, D, F.

• 13:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're alphabetizing by last name, we're sure about that.

• 13:37Sean Fennessey?

  You know who is not represented here is Sebastian Stan, and S.

• 13:41Amanda Dobbins?

  And we're confirmed that they're using last names?

• 13:44Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, they're using last names, yeah.

• 13:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, because Zach and I have a real standoff with this, because he's Baron for Daubens, but if you're doing first name...

• 13:54Sean Fennessey?

  In our home, Eileen and I will often say, what are Z and A doing?

• 13:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, really?

• 13:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, just to kind of get a sense of what's your weekend?

• 14:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's really, are they going by first name or last name? Preschool goes by first name, so they just keep calling me, even though we've designated Zach as the number one, but that's okay.

• 14:10Sean Fennessey?

  I believe that it's last name, and so, you know, on the one hand, I agree with you, I think in Film Actor, I think this is the five. I think these will be the nominees at the Academy Awards. I think this is a great group of nominees.

• 14:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, let's do Supporting Actor, can we jump? I know it's not in order, but just while we're on the topic of the ABCs...

• 14:28Sean Fennessey?

  There is yet more strong evidence to support this theory. The nominees for Film Supporting Actor are Jonathan Bailey for Wicked, Yura Borasov for Enora, Kieran Culkin for Real Pain, Edward Norton for A Complete Unknown. And Jeremy Strong for The Apprentice. Now, the Jeremy Strong nomination upends this theory. That because names like Clarence Macklin or Guy Pearce, which do not appear here.

• 14:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But it comes before Denzel Washington.

• 14:56Sean Fennessey?

  And Denzel Washington also not represented.

• 14:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:59Sean Fennessey?

  So Strong is the outlier, but then you've got A through N.

• 15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  And Jonathan Bailey, the surprise, is right up there on the top of the list.

• 15:04Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly.

• 15:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, and then, oh, do supporting.

• 15:07Sean Fennessey?

  Supporting actress?

• 15:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Sean Fennessey?

  So film supporting actress, the nominees are Monica Barbaro for A Complete Unknown, Jamie Lee Curtis for The Last Showgirl, Danielle Dedwiler for The Piano Lesson, Ariana Grande for Wicked, and Zoe Saldana for Amelia Perez. Now, if you told me that the top three nominees were not at the Academy Awards in a week or so, I wouldn't be surprised. And they're B, C, D in their last names. Something's going on here.

• 15:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm thrilled to see Monica Barbaro getting at like any sort of recognition. She's transcendent in that movie.

• 15:40Sean Fennessey?

  I hope she's nominated for a supporting actress. She's fantastic.

• 15:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I do too. She's really great. That said, this is, and Danielle Dedwiler is someone who has been sort of, was at the front of prognosticators' lists, is very good in The Piano Lesson, and then has been snubbed for a number of awards, including the Golden Globes. So that seems great. Jamie Lee Curtis, I still haven't seen The Last Showgirl. I'm gonna watch it. You know, I, there were some setbacks this week with respect to access to power. But I, this, I mean, this just feels like everything, everywhere, all at once, train like keeps on going and they're, everyone's like, oh, hey, more comeback. Let's do it some more.

• 16:18Sean Fennessey?

  Let's talk about film actress then too, so that we can have a Last Showgirl conversation briefly. So in film actress, one of the biggest surprises of the announcement last week was Pamela Anderson for The Last Showgirl, who was also nominated at the Golden Globes. But I think many felt like that was sort of a critical nomination. You know, this is her peers. This is the Actors Guild that is nominating her. Her last name does begin with A. I'm just gonna point that out.

• 16:39Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a great point.

• 16:40Sean Fennessey?

  The other nominees are Cynthia Erivo for Wicked, Carla Sofia Gascon for Amelia Perez, Mikey Madison for Enora, and Demi Moore for The Substance. Now, the bottom four, I think, are going. They're gonna be the Academy Awards. That top spot? Who does that belong to?

• 16:54Amanda Dobbins?

  People are just like, oh, hey.

• 16:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I like Pamela Anderson. So notably not here. Angelina Jolie.

• 17:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 17:01Sean Fennessey?

  Who also missed the BAFTA shortlist, which means she's out. It's over.

• 17:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:05Sean Fennessey?

  Like, she's not getting nominated. And if she gets nominated, it'll be a shock at this point, given the lack of precursors. No Nicole Kidman. No Fernanda Torres. No Marion Jean Baptiste.

• 17:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 17:16Sean Fennessey?

  International performers sometimes have a little bit more of a struggle at SAG. Sometimes they're represented, sometimes they're not. In this case, none of those other meaningful contenders are there. One of those four is probably going to replace Pamela Anderson. The Last Showgirl has had a very, very, very, very limited release thus far. I've seen it, you know, when Pam was nominated at the Globes, I was like, this is a nice gesture for a person who is obviously, like, a deeply thoughtful artist and not just the bimbo that she was derided as in the 90s. But I think that movie is very flawed. And it has good performances, but...

• 17:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But no, but it's a nomination for her. It's like, it is part of the Substance wave. But, you know, she has been at and about for the past couple of years and, like, noticeably not wearing makeup, which, given her Baywatch origins.

• 18:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 18:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Is sort of like an aesthetic statement on its own. I mean, she looks beautiful. She doesn't need it. But it does feel like this attention is rewarding, you know, the Pamela Anderson, much in the way that the Substance stuff is rewarding Demi Moore as much. But also, The Substance has more of a following as a movie.

• 18:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I have started to fully come around on the idea of Demi Moore winning in this category, the Academy Awards.

• 18:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I really do think on Golden Globes night, I went from I don't know if she'll get nominated to I think she's gonna win.

• 18:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think that's right. But anyway, in this category too, you've got AEGMM.

• 18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, Jolie and Kidman would come before, so, but I do think if they were just like, Pamela Anderson is the first one in the fifth spot that jumped out. People are like, oh, that seems nice.

• 18:56Sean Fennessey?

  A little bit strange. The last thing is a category that I would love to see added to the Academy Awards. We do have a stunt Oscar coming soon, but this is a cool way of framing it. The Film Stunt Ensemble and the nominees in that category are Deadpool and Wolverine, Dune Part Two, The Fall Guy, Gladiator Two, and Wicked.

• 19:10Amanda Dobbins?

  What were the stunts in Wicked?

• 19:13Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I think a lot of the flying stuff, you know, a lot of the tower work at the end. Yeah.

• 19:19Amanda Dobbins?

  That sucked.

• 19:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I, you know, I would, I would put Furiosa here if it were up to me and remove Wicked.

• 19:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 19:25Sean Fennessey?

  If we're talking about stunts. I mean, there's incredible stunt work in Furiosa. That seems like an obvious one to slip in there. I would also put Josh O'Connor's work in Challengers, maybe for stunt work, you know? When Zendaya astride him, that, that was impressive as well.

• 19:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Missed them. How they're doing. Congratulations to Zendaya.

• 19:43Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, she got engaged.

• 19:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we sort of, we missed that on Golden Globes night.

• 19:47Sean Fennessey?

  I observed it. I just don't care.

• 19:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I missed it, okay? My algorithms are like really not working in concert anymore. Yeah.

• 19:55Sean Fennessey?

  Is it your pure wind algorithm now?

• 19:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, I guess so. But it's like, I, you know, I, I can't look at whatever we're calling former Twitter now. And, because it's, yeah, it's too many ads and so junky. And they, they darkmoted me against my will, uh, and I really don't appreciate that.

• 20:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 20:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And that, I mean, it's just, it's just nerd vibes and incel vibes all over that place. And then, um, I like Blue Sky, like, what are we doing, you know? I'm trying, I'm trying, but it's not really giving me back. And I'm just missing crucial pieces of information. Like, I didn't know Lily Allen and David Harbour split up. That happened like over Christmas.

• 20:37Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, my God.

• 20:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you, if anyone is gonna be up on that, it should be me.

• 20:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I didn't know that happened.

• 20:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And I didn't know that happened, so, like, Instagram has its-

• 20:47Sean Fennessey?

  I'm a huge fan of the Red Guardian from the Thunderbolts film, so-

• 20:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm a huge fan of Lily Allen. Um, I'm rooting for her.

• 20:53Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 20:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But so, I, just things are getting lost in the middle, you know? And, and I love Instagram and I'm learning a lot about things I need to buy, but-

• 21:01Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think people would pay for my foot pictures on OnlyFans?

• 21:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I think what we've learned is that people will pay for anyone's foot pictures.

• 21:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 21:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and I, I'm not gonna judge, you know?

• 21:14Sean Fennessey?

  Feet are a funny thing, you know, you never know, how do you know if you have nice looking feet?

• 21:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 21:19Sean Fennessey?

  Like, you know when you have really ugly feet?

• 21:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Sean Fennessey?

  Right? That's clear. But like, I don't know. Am I just, am I just a middle grounder in the, in the, in feet beauty?

• 21:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Probably. I guess you know if you have really ugly feet and then maybe if you take pride in that, I don't, I don't know. I guess, I guess there is like an ideal foot aesthetic that has been upheld through like shoe ads and stuff and sandals and that sort of thing.

• 21:46Sean Fennessey?

  For sure, absolutely.

• 21:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, they are on the sides of the bases and whatever, you know, they're in the sculptures.

• 21:53Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 21:53Amanda Dobbins?

  So, but.

• 21:55Sean Fennessey?

  So they're wearing those sandals.

• 21:56Amanda Dobbins?

  We're supposed to be upending beauty norms, right? So I don't know what like the, we are.

• 22:01Sean Fennessey?

  I'm actually the other way. I'm like, let's go back to the hegemony.

• 22:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I had to give Bobby a speech about imposter syndrome and I gotta give everyone, this is what we owe to the next generation.

• 22:12Sean Fennessey?

  And just objectifying everyone. I feel like that was fine. I, I just don't think it was that big of a deal.

• 22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that that's like not a great thing for you to be saying as we embark on our video adventure.

• 22:21Sean Fennessey?

  Sarcastic.

• 22:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just like, we have to be in front of cameras now, so we need people to be as accepting as possible.

• 22:27Sean Fennessey?

  I'm in my 40s, what am I gonna do?

• 22:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 22:29Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay. Well, those are the nominees for SAG. Um, I don't know that there are too, too, too many takeaways here. I think a complete unknown is in a very good position right now because of these awards. I already thought Emilia Perez and, um, and Anora were gonna do very well at the Academy Awards. No Stanley Tucci for Conclave.

• 22:48Amanda Dobbins?

  No Isabella Rossellini.

• 22:49Sean Fennessey?

  Isabella Rossellini. That is notable.

• 22:51Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's also, like, this SAG Ensemble Award exists for movies like that.

• 22:59Sean Fennessey?

  For Conclave.

• 22:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 22:59Sean Fennessey?

  I agree.

• 23:00Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 23:01Sean Fennessey?

  And in fact, it could win. It's probably gonna be Emilia Perez and I'm, and then we're gonna have a little bit of a panic attack, but.

• 23:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 23:07Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 23:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think I'm gonna have a panic attack.

• 23:09Sean Fennessey?

  Do you wanna do like a, is Emilia Perez worthy of a longer discussion? Cause I, you know, I had one with Joe and Katie when you were out. And I like kind of very briefly elucidated my primary problem with the movie. The sort of like central premise issue that I have with the movie. I think obviously a lot of Mexican critics have a lot of problems with the movie, trans critics have problems with the movie.

• 23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 23:29Sean Fennessey?

  Et cetera, et cetera. But if we're barreling towards a Best Picture win. Usually, we tend to dig into movies like that. Like, we'll dig into The Brutalist after you see it. I think there's another movie, too, that we haven't really had a chance to dig into. We did talk about Enora. We didn't talk about Conclave, though Chris and I did. If you do want to spend more time on that movie, we can. I think that's another movie that has a secret little Best Picture case right now. Still up in the air. I can't even believe how up in the air all this is.

• 23:53Amanda Dobbins?

  We did Enora. I do think, I mean, I, you know, I know I was joking at the beginning, but if we're gonna do the Emilio Perez conversation, I would like to have someone on this show who is an enthusiast for it. And who can speak to, well, I know, so...

• 24:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, we already had Jim Cameron, so I don't know. What can I do?

• 24:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Because both of us just being like, this didn't work for us because the premise has some ideological trapezies and the songs are, like, bad. And it was filmed on a bunch of closed sets and it just looks, you know, like, just not our cup of tea.

• 24:29Sean Fennessey?

  I'll cast around for some pro Emilio Perez critics. There are not a lot, honestly. Most of the awards that they have been granted have come from like-minded bodies. So, we'll see. Let's talk about DGAs as well, since that also happened in email form last week. This is usually pretty impactful on the Oscar race, though not fully. The nominees for a theatrical feature film, perhaps betraying a bit of an alphabet bias here as well. The nominees are Jacques Audiard for Emilio Perez, Sean Baker for Enora, Edward Berger for Conclave, Brady Corbeil for The Brutalist, and James Mangold for A Complete Unknown. Once again, I think James Mangold, the big surprise here. No Denis Villeneuve, which, shame on you.

• 25:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that's over.

• 25:15Sean Fennessey?

  It is over. It does feel over.

• 25:17Amanda Dobbins?

  It is very strange. I know Joanna said it after Golden Globes, but I, weird. What's going on with people?

• 25:25Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think people in those bodies care about science fiction, and I don't think they really ever have.

• 25:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, but I don't care about science fiction. And I was like, that's pretty good.

• 25:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think the intention, even in the sort of marketing and strategy of the movie, was to make it seem more like Lawrence of Arabia. You know, that it was a story about a conflicted... Anti-hero and that by deepening it, you wouldn't think as much about the gliding and the special effects and the, you know, the-

• 25:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, but the gliding is so-

• 25:54Sean Fennessey?

  Mystical stuff.

• 25:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Whatever.

• 25:55Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I agree.

• 25:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, I don't get it, but that's fine.

• 25:57Sean Fennessey?

  Those films, historically, the ones that really make a profound impact, sometimes get nominated, like Star Wars was nominated for Best Picture, but didn't win a whole lot of awards. And I don't, I don't think George Lucas was nominated for Director that year. I should, I should look that up. Also notable, no Corleone Farja.

• 26:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 26:15Sean Fennessey?

  Which-

• 26:16Amanda Dobbins?

  By extension, no women.

• 26:18Sean Fennessey?

  No women for, it was noted here that the, this is the, the second time? Is it the second time in the last five years that there was no, no women represented here? And two of the last five winners were women.

• 26:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 26:33Sean Fennessey?

  Jane Campion and Chloe Zhao. Will a woman be nominated at the Academy Awards?

• 26:40Amanda Dobbins?

  You noted also that there usually is some difference from DGAs and Oscars, and it is almost always international.

• 26:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 26:47Amanda Dobbins?

  So-

• 26:48Sean Fennessey?

  But we have two international filmmakers in the lineup already, technically speaking. Jacques Audiard, of course, and Edward Berger is German.

• 26:55Amanda Dobbins?

  The Oscars DGAs always get a little interesting, honestly. They, they cast a wider berth, and I think that they're willing to be a little more experimental. So, or, you know, they're willing to, I, I don't know whether Mangle thinks it, is kind of what I'm saying, with respect. I, like, I really like to complete unknown. We've been playing a lot of Dylan for Knox.

• 27:15Sean Fennessey?

  Hell, yeah.

• 27:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I think he likes it.

• 27:17Sean Fennessey?

  How could you not?

• 27:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. He only asked us to turn it off once, but I'm not allowed to sing along, so that's tough. Don't do that.

• 27:25Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that's what he says?

• 27:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:26Sean Fennessey?

  Invite me over. I'll, I'll, I can, I can really capture Bob's essence. The only person who gets closer than me is, is Timmy. There's also another award that the DGA nominates for, for features, which is First Time Theatrical Feature Film.

• 27:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 27:39Sean Fennessey?

  Which is an interesting delineation, especially given at least one of the nominees here. You've got a lot of people who've been making work over the years. The nominees are Pyle Kapadia for All We Imagine Is Light, Megan Park for My Old Ass, Ramel Ross for Nickel Boys, Hafdan Olmentondol for Armand, and Sean Wong for Dee Dee. Now, I have not seen Armand yet. It's on my list. These other four nominees, I mean, Megan Park has definitely made another movie. I think it might have been a straight to max movie, but she's already directed a film. Ramel Ross is an Academy Award nominated documentarian.

• 28:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 28:15Sean Fennessey?

  So the, you know, Sean Wong has made like short films and worked at Google and, you know, like this is a kind of an odd way of framing this.

• 28:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it's the Grammy Best New Artist conundrum, which I think even when we make up Oscar categories and do all that sort of stuff, we come across this of like, you know, how are you gonna set the boundaries of something that's like a vibe, you know?

• 28:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 28:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, which is these people are not the James Magolds and the, and even the Sean Bakers of the world.

• 28:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 28:49Amanda Dobbins?

  But they're not brand new, you know?

• 28:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it's just got real, we just learned about these people vibes.

• 28:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it is, that's what it is, but it is also, if you're gonna do strict like first time feature, like respectfully with a lot like.

• 29:02Sean Fennessey?

  I know, that would be cool, though.

• 29:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 29:04Sean Fennessey?

  Then you'd really have to dig.

• 29:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, but also you're digging through, I don't know, I like a little bit of, I like some experience, you know? Let's, let's everybody learn on the job.

• 29:15Sean Fennessey?

  Well, to your point about that fifth slot in theatrical feature film, there's certainly a world in which either Ramel Ross or Pyle Kapadia make it into that, into that spot. We saw Pyle Kapadia was recognized at the Golden Globes. Ramel Ross, I think there's a lot of admiration for what he brought to Nickel Boys. So that seems plausible. I agree that in theory, Mangled is weak, but I don't know, Complete Unknown is, is a box office success and Timmy's hosting SNL and.

• 29:40Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and also musical guesting on SNL, God bless him, he's really working. It's really hard every time you say a Complete Unknown, I just wanna do, how does it feel? Like, and I'm just, I'm not, I'm holding it in.

• 29:53Sean Fennessey?

  I, you know, there's historical songs like, um.

• 29:59Sean Fennessey?

  Love me do or something like that, you know? Or I want to hold your hand, where you're like, I've heard this so many times, I don't need to hear it ever again.

• 30:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 30:06Sean Fennessey?

  But then you like, it circles back and you have a wave.

• 30:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Sean Fennessey?

  And I'm having that wave with like a Rolling Stone, where I just can play like 300 times in a row.

• 30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, I know I'm in the minority here, but you know, as I've said, my favorite part of any music biopic is when they start, you know, doing a little bit and you're like, oh my God, they're writing Respect. Or, and which, and this movie is just 45 versions of that, of like, oh my God, he just banged Joan Baez and now he's writing Blown in the Wind, how cool.

• 30:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 30:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, let's not even disrespect.

• 30:36Sean Fennessey?

  The original title of Blown in the Wind was Blown in the Wind parentheses banging Joan Baez, yeah.

• 30:41Amanda Dobbins?

  That's just what happens in the movie.

• 30:44Sean Fennessey?

  But did she not bang him, you know?

• 30:47Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true. It was the 60s, you know?

• 30:49Sean Fennessey?

  Cause you know, she was covering his records, using his artistry to leverage her success, you know, something interesting, a little unexplored in there still.

• 30:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, anyway. So, so I loved this movie because it was just that over and over again, even when it was sort of cheesy.

• 31:04Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of bad scenes of him like hunched over a desk at 2am, like writing things in pencil, like, I don't know, that's not cinematic.

• 31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I know. I mean, it was like a little silly, but I don't care. Every single time I'm like, OMG, it's this, it's this one. But to that point, when, when the guy, when they hit the organ in a Rolling, like a Rolling Stone for the first time, I was just like, oh my God, there it is. They found it, you know?

• 31:27Sean Fennessey?

  The absolute best. I totally agree.

• 31:29Amanda Dobbins?

  And then every time I've listened to it since, and I'm like, wow, they found the organ, so it's great.

• 31:33Sean Fennessey?

  Just that, that snare hit at the beginning of that song is like, it's like taking crack. Okay.

• 31:40Sean Fennessey?

  The awards race, we'll see. Hopefully, things stay calm in Los Angeles and we can get on with the typical award season.

• 31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, you know, I do think if it does go on, that. It will and like hopefully that like it should have some sort of like fundraising, like awareness element.

• 31:55Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think that they'll do that, that they'll bend around to that? You know, there was this big, you know, story Jean Smart tweeted that she feels that that should happen. I think there's a lot of complexity around that and making that viable. But man, like this speaks to the conversation about our most anticipated movies, which you pointed out to me before we started recording. Like, some of these movies may be meaningfully impacted by the fact that hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people lost their homes, lost all their earthly possessions. Some people have died through these tragedies. Like, this is a crazy, earth-shattering week in Los Angeles history. And so because of that, like, how much fall down will there be because of all of this? I don't know. We're yet to see.

• 32:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Some of the films haven't begun filming yet. So that just seems from a basic infrastructure period. You know, I, I think that one case for awards shows in general is that you have the attention of a larger group of people on an industry. And so if you can use it to either fundraise for people who lost homes, who lost their entire lives, or for, you know, to support an industry that I think is, is going to need help.

• 33:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 33:09Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, should the giant corporations that own it help? Yes, probably. Will they? No. So that's, put that aside. So like, I'm sympathetic to Jean Smart's argument of like, nobody wants this right now, but also I do think that if good can be done, then why not try? I, I think it would be tone deaf to hold a big fancy awards show and not mention it.

• 33:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, no, I agree. And it will be mentioned. I think how it can be pivoted to doing a greater good beyond.

• 33:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 33:39Sean Fennessey?

  Traditional donations.

• 33:40Amanda Dobbins?

  And I'm sure some of the choices that they make will be incredibly tone deaf. You know, like, you just can't, you can't get around that.

• 33:45Sean Fennessey?

  That's Hollywood, baby.

• 33:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I don't know what to say about that. I still believe in Hollywood. I still believe in movies. I, preparing for this episode, I was like, it's gonna be okay.

• 33:56Amanda Dobbins?

  It was really exciting.

• 33:56Sean Fennessey?

  It's gonna be okay.

• 33:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, it's.

• 33:57Sean Fennessey?

  We're gonna have a fun year.

• 33:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it was really exciting. And I'm preparing for this episode, I was like, well, I'm hard, it's hard to anticipate things right now because it feels like such uncertainty. And then I'm really excited about all of these movies and want to see them. And I also love movies. And then I have the anxiety of. Will they be able to be released? Will they be able to be made? Like, how is everyone involved with them? You know, so it's a mix of things.

• 34:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, as far as Los Angeles is concerned, so little actual production happens in the city at this point for films, but so much post-production happens. And obviously, so many people who live here, it will be harder and harder for them to work. Though, honestly, just like us, this is a time when a lot of people pour themselves into their work to pretend like whatever is going on out in the outside world is not really happening. That's a very, very common response.

• 34:44Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the most honest thing that Sean has said about himself today.

• 34:47Sean Fennessey?

  That's why we're sitting here today. I'd rather be doing this than sitting at home thinking about what could be happening tomorrow. So I do think that there will be a push in that specific respect for people who can do that. And a lot of this stuff, like, we know will happen because it's wrapped and it's been done. And it'll come out. So, you know, every-

• 35:03Amanda Dobbins?

  No when. We're gonna share release dates as we know them, but I think almost every single one of them-

• 35:08Sean Fennessey?

  Most of these movies that we'll talk about are not dated at the moment.

• 35:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Sean Fennessey?

  So keeping that in mind, you know, a lot of them will probably ultimately end up becoming festival films, aside from the handful of tent poles that we'll talk about. The honorable mentions list has got like 40 movies on it. So that's how you know we've got something fun. Every year that we've done this, we've added a movie to match the year. So if we're doing this in 2037, will we do 37 films? If we're doing it in 2054, will we do 54 films? Will you do this with me in 29 years?

• 35:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Sean, if we're still here, if they've got- What do you think will be on YouTube? What will be the, you know, will be holograms?

• 35:47Sean Fennessey?

  It'll be brain tube. It'll be going right into our cortex.

• 35:49Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, I think that's what everyone wants, is a direct line into what's going on in this head of mine.

• 35:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 35:57Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so we've got 25 films. You chose 12, I chose 12. I thought as a fun exercise, we could collectively choose the 25th together from the honorable mentions list. How does that sound?

• 36:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That sounds wonderful.

• 36:06Sean Fennessey?

  Is there anything missing from the honorable mentions that I haven't included so as to more meaningfully represent you?

• 36:12Amanda Dobbins?

  If there is, I forgot about it. But maybe we can discover that while Googling, or people can let us know.

• 36:17Sean Fennessey?

  Before we get into our list, I want to just put a real is-this-happening circle around three titles.

• 36:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 36:25Sean Fennessey?

  Because I don't know if they're happening. If they did happen, it's safe to say that if they didn't appear on my list, they would at a minimum appear on the honorable mentions list.

• 36:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:33Sean Fennessey?

  One of these movies was shot many years ago.

• 36:37Amanda Dobbins?

  A member of my family has seen one of these movies.

• 36:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, in full?

• 36:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I believe so.

• 36:43Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so.

• 36:44Speaker 06

  But Knox has a really good attention span these days. It's come a long way.

• 36:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yo, do you want to know how many times we watched Top Gun Maverick this week? It was a lot.

• 36:52Speaker 06

  It's just, it makes me so proud every time I hear that.

• 36:55Amanda Dobbins?

  It was really, really beautiful. The most beautiful memory of this week is like Chris Ryan sitting in a room with Knox, reading him like the first text drop before Top Gun Maverick. I'm very grateful to Chris.

• 37:08Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, the movie you're referring to is Horizon: Colon and American Saga, Chapter Two.

• 37:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:13Sean Fennessey?

  Which was supposed to be released.

• 37:15Amanda Dobbins?

  What if I was like size, just a big costner head?

• 37:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Three, I mean, so far he's a little, he's solemn and doesn't speak much, so.

• 37:23Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. And, and, and quick draw too, you know, good with a pistol. Chapter two was supposed to come out six weeks after chapter one. And then chapter one came out and Warner Brothers said, nope, we're not putting that in movie theaters. And it has not been redated. A lot of speculation that it will eventually be on Max. Of course, chapter one went on Netflix a few weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago, shot right to number one. And that's when I started getting texts from friends and some prominent film people telling me that they think Horizon, Chapter One is a complete masterpiece. So, just want you to know, that's in the air. I'll, I, I'll tell you off mic who I'm referring to.

• 38:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't dislike it, but I just like.

• 38:05Sean Fennessey?

  I like it, but did not love it.

• 38:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, you know, television also can achieve great heights and, and.

• 38:12Sean Fennessey?

  This was my primary complaint, was it felt very much like an episodic TV show, a great episodic TV show in some ways.

• 38:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Didn't Horizon, Chapter Two play at Venice? And then we heard nothing about it?

• 38:24Sean Fennessey?

  It did, but it doesn't sound like the press was invited because there were no reviews out of Venice. So it seems like it was, I don't, and I don't even know how you arrange that. It was more of a private confab, but I don't remember reading any reviews.

• 38:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't either.

• 38:37Sean Fennessey?

  So the only person who reviewed it to me was your husband. So, okay, Horizon American Saga, Chapter One, I hope it comes out. I hope it comes out in a movie theater because it's a movie you'd like to see on a big screen. The other one is Ella McKay, which is, I believe is in production, which is James L. Brooke. Brooks' next film, his first film since How Do You Know? It's been a long time since he's made a movie. And James Brooks, you know, I would say kind of an icon, meeting point of taste for you and I. Has made a number of wonderful movies over the years. He's a little bit older now, but I really anticipate this movie.

• 39:12Sean Fennessey?

  The star is, remind me of-

• 39:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Emma Mackey.

• 39:14Sean Fennessey?

  Emma Mackey.

• 39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Who's really good.

• 39:16Sean Fennessey?

  She's very, very talented, very, you know, she was in Barbie. She was memorably in Witch of the Agatha Christie's.

• 39:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Death on the Nile, the remake, which I, it is offensive.

• 39:26Sean Fennessey?

  Terrible film, but I kind of enjoy her in that movie.

• 39:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, she's really good.

• 39:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And she was in the Emily Bronte biopic a couple of years ago.

• 39:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 39:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, she's a good actress.

• 39:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And she's also, I believe, in Sex Education?

• 39:36Sean Fennessey?

  She is, yes. And then the third film is The Way of the Wind, which, which Terrence Malick made a number of years ago.

• 39:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 39:43Sean Fennessey?

  And it's about Jesus.

• 39:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Who is playing Jesus?

• 39:48Sean Fennessey?

  I want to say it's Joseph Fiennes.

• 39:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, blast from the past.

• 39:53Sean Fennessey?

  Is it Joseph Fiennes? Or no, maybe it's, um, it may be Matthias Schonartz. No, it's, it's an actor named Giza Rorig. Matthias Schonartz is Saint Peter Mark-

• 40:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, he's Saint Peter to me, too.

• 40:03Sean Fennessey?

  Do you know who Mark Rylance plays?

• 40:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, well, I just pulled up Wikipedia, so I'm pleased to inform you that it's Satan.

• 40:09Sean Fennessey?

  He plays Satan.

• 40:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 40:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's been a long time since this, uh, this film was, was shot. But as with all Malick projects, it's all a continuum. Everything's just flowing like the wind, so I look forward to this movie. Joseph Fiennes is in the movie, but he is not playing Jesus.

• 40:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Answer my friend.

• 40:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, those are the three I'm not sure if this is real. The rest of the stuff we'll talk about is at a minimum, real films that we will see at some point, if not this year, next year. You want to go first, or you want me to go first?

• 40:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, you go first.

• 40:42Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. My first, uh, pick is Eddington. Eddington is an interesting one for, for us both. This is Ari Aster's new movie, a black comedy western. Starring Joaquin Phoenix, Pedro Pascal, Emma Stone, and Austin Butler. It's about a small-town New Mexico sheriff with higher aspirations, I assume played by Joaquin.

• 41:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 41:05Sean Fennessey?

  Eight twenty-four movie, shot by Darius Kanji, cinematographer of Seven and a great many films. And, um-

• 41:13Sean Fennessey?

  Let's go.

• 41:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm a fan of almost everything listed, except sometimes for westerns. But I trust Ari Aster to play with the dust in interesting ways.

• 41:23Sean Fennessey?

  We did. We did Bo is Afraid Wrong.

• 41:26Amanda Dobbins?

  We did?

• 41:27Sean Fennessey?

  No, not you and I. We're innocent, but the world at large.

• 41:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I went, there was a woman literally taking phone calls on her laptop in the screening, but I still watched and enjoyed it. It was unreal.

• 41:38Sean Fennessey?

  That's Mark Rylance, satanic.

• 41:39Amanda Dobbins?

  She was like in the very back, sitting on the floor, like rolling calls and then was asked to leave.

• 41:46Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, by you?

• 41:47Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 41:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Eddington.

• 41:52Sean Fennessey?

  This is a testimony to what an exciting year it is, is that this is my number 12. In many years, a new Ari Aster movie, a new western, that cast, that cast is nuts.

• 42:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That cast is really great.

• 42:03Sean Fennessey?

  So I'm excited. Okay, what's your number 12?

• 42:06Amanda Dobbins?

  My number 12 is Megan 2.0, which actually, so it's, is it Megan with a 3 because she was like the third?

• 42:16Sean Fennessey?

  Mthregan?

• 42:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's how they're spelling it, but why isn't it Mthugan, you know?

• 42:21Sean Fennessey?

  Honestly, a wonderful question. I'm sure this was debated in the Blumhouse offices, right? You've got to imagine.

• 42:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But I understand that you have to have the 2.0 because she's like a scary robot doll and also because you just need people to understand it's the second one. Like, I get it. I understand in terms of marketing narratively, but it's Mthugan to me.

• 42:42Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so Mthugan.

• 42:43Amanda Dobbins?

  This is also written by Keela Cooper, who wrote the original. Allison Williams is returning. It's a prequel.

• 42:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Amanda Dobbins?

  And Amy Donald, the young dancer who portrays Megan dancing is back. One of the great performances.

• 42:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's a prequel, but also they had to put 2.0 in the title and they had to keep the 3 from the original. I think this is very backwards.

• 43:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, hold on, hold on. I don't remember, but maybe she's Meghan 3.0 in the original. And so 2.0 would be before 3.0.

• 43:16Speaker 06

  I see. So that's why there's the three in the original Meghan title from 2022.

• 43:21Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, maybe. That is very convoluted.

• 43:25Speaker 06

  Incredibly convoluted.

• 43:26Sean Fennessey?

  Eddington is undated. Right now Meghan 2.0 is dated for June 27th.

• 43:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Another film on my list is dated for June 27th, 2025, so.

• 43:36Sean Fennessey?

  Intriguing.

• 43:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Sean Fennessey?

  Should be quite an episode that day.

• 43:38Speaker 06

  Barbenheimer. Let's go.

• 43:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it sort of is, but it's not.

• 43:43Sean Fennessey?

  My number 11 is Mother Mary. Hmm. This movie is porn without penetration for me. It's an epic melodrama starring Anne Hathaway, Michaela Cole, and Hunter Schafer. The story is about the relationship between a musician and a fashion designer. Anne Hathaway plays the pop star. Michaela Cole plays the designer. Written and directed by David Lowery, who, one of the more interesting, one for them, one for me, balance actors in movie making these days. The Green Knight is the last movie he made, the last time he was on the show. I've seen one photo, one production photo from this film.

• 44:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 44:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's very exciting stuff. I don't really know anything else about it. It's undated, also an 824 movie.

• 44:28Amanda Dobbins?

  So Anne Hathaway is the pop star and Michaela Cole is the fashion designer.

• 44:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 44:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm seeing here on Wikipedia, the world's number one film resource.

• 44:37Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 44:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Then songs are being provided by Jack Antonoff and Charlie XCX. Can you confirm that?

• 44:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I'm seeing that same information on Wikipedia, which is of course, the people's encyclopedia.

• 44:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, I, I had as much of a brat summer as a 40-year-old pregnant woman can have, but I'm open for brat summer too. I, I've listened to that album a lot. I really liked it.

• 45:01Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I worked wonders for Kamala, so.

• 45:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Jesus Christ.

• 45:04Sean Fennessey?

  Uh.

• 45:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, FKA Twigs is also in this film, apparently. Uh, I.

• 45:12Sean Fennessey?

  This looks intriguing. That's what I will say. David Lowery never makes the same movie twice. He always does something interesting, even when he's taking on Family Fair for Disney. So I'm very excited about this one. Okay, number 11 for you.

• 45:26Amanda Dobbins?

  My number 11 is Hamnet, the Chloe Zhao adaptation of the Maggie O'Farrell novel starring Paul Meskell and Jessie Buckley. So-

• 45:36Sean Fennessey?

  Tell me, what is Hamnet? What's it about? You've read it?

• 45:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I have read it.

• 45:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 45:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I- it was an astonishing, astonishing novel that is historical fiction. Paul Meskell is playing the main character, a man named William Shakespeare. Perhaps you've heard of him.

• 45:51Sean Fennessey?

  What?

• 45:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And, uh, Jessie Buckley plays his wife Agnes, and it is about the, I mean spoiler alert, I guess, it's about the eventual death of one of their children, their 11-year-old son, whose name was Hamnet. And yes, the relationship and the similarity to a famous play by a guy named William Shakespeare is like, is tied in. Uh, it's an extraordinary novel and one of the best endings to a novel in recent, I mean, like best and most heartbreaking that I can remember. It is really tough reading. I read it before I had children. And so this is only my number 11 because I am a little bit nervous about the subject matter,

• 46:35Amanda Dobbins?

  uh, just in terms of it being really, really sad. Uh, and, and I think Paul Meskell and Jessie Buckley are amazing actors who will go for it, but I, I don't know if this will be uplifting necessarily.

• 46:49Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 46:49Amanda Dobbins?

  But I'm sure it'll be quite good. An incredible book.

• 46:52Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm, I'm excited. You know, the Chloe Zhao comeback trail.

• 46:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:56Sean Fennessey?

  Much, much needed after Eternals. Have you revisited Eternals recently?

• 47:01Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I'll always have the memory of, uh, sitting next to you when I, I don't remember whether it was Hiroshima or, uh-

• 47:11Sean Fennessey?

  Or Nagasaki.

• 47:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Saki that showed up in Eternals. Either one was a poor choice.

• 47:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, a flaw in the storytelling.

• 47:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:19Sean Fennessey?

  At the old Marvel MCU factory. That performance moved Andy Greenwald to tears, though, just so you know. This is something off cited on the Watch Podcast. My number 10 is A Big Bold Beautiful Journey. This is the new film starring Margot Robbie, her first starring role since Barbie. Also stars Colin Farrell reuniting with the filmmaker Koganata, who made a movie a couple of years ago called After Yang, which is a very beautiful science fiction film. This is a much bigger production. When I'm banging the drum for what I want studios to do and what I want movie stars to do, it is, in theory, this, whatever this is. I don't know very much about this screenplay, this story, what this movie is going to be about,

• 48:03Sean Fennessey?

  but I know that it is a big budget movie star movie with an original story from an exciting young filmmaker,

• 48:11Sean Fennessey?

  leveraging her success. So I really, if you haven't seen After Yang, I highly recommend you check it out. Koganata, fascinating guy.

• 48:20Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of got his starter, kind of made his name making film essays, like you might find on YouTube, kind of analyzing and deconstructing film form and film approach. And look at him now.

• 48:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm here, yeah.

• 48:32Sean Fennessey?

  He has elevated to the highest heights of Hollywood filmmaking.

• 48:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited to see where the syllabi will take you.

• 48:38Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we will see. I mean, he's, he's, he's much more well suited to making syllabi than I am. But, you know, stacked supporting cast in this movie, too. Lily Rave, Jodie Turner Smith, Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Billy Magnussen, Hamish Linklater, like on down the line. So a lot of great, exciting people in this. And it looks like a kind of like elevated fantastical dramedy.

• 48:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Does Colin Farrell get to be Colin Farrell and not the Penguin in this?

• 49:03Sean Fennessey?

  He'll be portraying the Penguin in this film.

• 49:06Speaker 06

  The log line for this movie is incredible work by IMDb. An imaginative tale of two strangers and the unbelievable journey that connects them. So a movie.

• 49:15Sean Fennessey?

  They're, they're keeping it real tight.

• 49:16Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the 2025 tagline for this podcast.

• 49:24Sean Fennessey?

  Can we put that in the show description?

• 49:26Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 49:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Jack, can we do a Chyron underneath?

• 49:29Sean Fennessey?

  That's very good.

• 49:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, uh, what's my, am I up?

• 49:33Sean Fennessey?

  You're up. You're number 10.

• 49:34Amanda Dobbins?

  My number 10 is Die My Love, Lynn Ramsey, um, starring your girl Jennifer Lawrence and, uh, Robert Pattinson.

• 49:41Sean Fennessey?

  Speaking of comebacks.

• 49:42Amanda Dobbins?

  My guy. Um, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna read this log line. It's an adaptation of the 2017 novel by Arianna Harwitz about a new mother in the French countryside who develops postpartum depression and enter psychosis. So it's me, what if I were living my best life?

• 50:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And married to Robert Pattinson.

• 50:02Sean Fennessey?

  All the way down to Jennifer Lawrence.

• 50:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Just Google this movie and you'll see some of the stills or the, the paparazzi shots, including one of the two of them dancing. I'm in. I'm completely in.

• 50:13Sean Fennessey?

  Lynn Ramsey hasn't made a movie since you were never really here. The, uh, uh, incredible-

• 50:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh shit, they've moved this to the Montana countryside, though. Oh, damn it.

• 50:22Sean Fennessey?

  What was it originally?

• 50:22Amanda Dobbins?

  The French countryside.

• 50:24Sean Fennessey?

  You're out on Montana?

• 50:26Amanda Dobbins?

  You know me, Montana. Where do you hide?

• 50:30Sean Fennessey?

  In the caves, in the mountains.

• 50:32Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's just the plains and the flats. I just, I don't-

• 50:35Sean Fennessey?

  We'll take you up to Yellowstone.

• 50:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, I don't understand.

• 50:38Sean Fennessey?

  What are you hiding from?

• 50:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I, but I told-

• 50:42Sean Fennessey?

  Great question.

• 50:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I had never been to Montana and Zach and I went and we're driving along and that was like my first instinctive primal thing. It's like, where do I hide? You see someone coming and there's like nowhere else to go. That's what the landscape brought out in me. I don't know.

• 50:56Sean Fennessey?

  Well, my number nine can save you. It's, it's Superman. Um, in the event that you find yourself trapped in Montana with nowhere, nowhere to go. The only person who can save you, Amanda-

• 51:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 51:07Sean Fennessey?

  -is Superman. Now, um, I think I might've mentioned this before, but a, a, a child friend of our children is a very big DC Comics fan. And

• 51:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:18Sean Fennessey?

  And has introduced our children, and especially my daughter, to the extended world of DC characters.

• 51:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, so that's through, I don't know whether we're allowed to talk about it. Yeah, we won't.

• 51:28Sean Fennessey?

  We will not mention this child's name.

• 51:29Amanda Dobbins?

  His mom is listening. We love you.

• 51:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I gave this child, I gave this child Batman Legos for Christmas because I just want kids to be happy, as evidenced by the drum set.

• 51:39Sean Fennessey?

  So, all the way up until this morning, the wave of curiosity about who is Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Robin, the Joker, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Supergirl.

• 51:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 51:53Sean Fennessey?

  These are all characters that are portrayed in pictures in one picture book that we have.

• 51:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 51:58Sean Fennessey?

  And she's getting caught up in the mythos. This is a real, and my kid, you know, obviously a mythos kid. But I'm trying to imagine, like, Superman's something I can even make her aware of in a meaningful way. Like, when did I first see the image, an image of Superman in my life? When did I see Christopher Reeve or George Reeves as Superman? It probably was like four or five years old.

• 52:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:20Sean Fennessey?

  And imprinted on me so profoundly, so the idea of this, this is a, I think this is a really good year for a Superman movie. That's gonna seem a little bit hokey and sentimental. James Gunn can be very sentimental in his filmmaking. You have your issues with James Gunn. I'm a huge fan.

• 52:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Just make the damn movie and put it out.

• 52:38Sean Fennessey?

  I think the movie is, has been made.

• 52:40Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine. Then I don't need to hear anything about it.

• 52:42Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, well, you will hear about it on this podcast.

• 52:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. Everyone, like, people, just grown adults, melting down about his suit or whatever.

• 52:51Sean Fennessey?

  I don't care about that stuff. I, I would like to be inspired.

• 52:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 52:55Sean Fennessey?

  Is there anything wrong with that?

• 52:56Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think that's beautiful.

• 52:57Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 52:58Amanda Dobbins?

  What was the Batman tagline that we were talking about?

• 53:01Sean Fennessey?

  The world's greatest detective.

• 53:02Amanda Dobbins?

  You learn something new every day.

• 53:03Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't know that. You weren't aware that that was his.

• 53:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't know that, you know?

• 53:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 53:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I've been 40 years on this earth and seen many Batman movies.

• 53:10Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he doesn't have powers.

• 53:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 53:12Sean Fennessey?

  He does have enormous wealth.

• 53:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I wouldn't say that any of the Batman movies I have seen show him doing like detective work. As I.

• 53:22Sean Fennessey?

  I would say that is a flaw. The Batman.

• 53:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 53:26Sean Fennessey?

  The most, the Matt Reeves one.

• 53:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 53:27Sean Fennessey?

  Is more in that vein, though I would not say he's Sherlock Holmes-ing his way through things, but there is more of a puzzle serial killer quality to the way that movie is pitched.

• 53:37Amanda Dobbins?

  The two things I remember about the Batman, um, number one, Robert Pattinson's really tall, or whoever they got to wear that suit's really tall.

• 53:44Sean Fennessey?

  I think it was him.

• 53:45Amanda Dobbins?

  And I thought that was a good development. And number two, I didn't know who the Joker was when he came on at the end of the movie.

• 53:53Sean Fennessey?

  He's barely visible.

• 53:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I was also, I was, that was like three weeks after Knox was born, so, and that was, and I watched it over three nights.

• 54:00Sean Fennessey?

  The thing I remember the most was Paul Dano saying, "No, no, no!" That was my favorite part of the movie.

• 54:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:09Sean Fennessey?

  I love that. Superman was my number nine. It's coming out July 11th.

• 54:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:16Sean Fennessey?

  Will you, will you see it?

• 54:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 54:17Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 54:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I will.

• 54:19Sean Fennessey?

  Do you like David Cornsweat?

• 54:21Amanda Dobbins?

  He, you know, had a strong jaw in Twisters, so that's important.

• 54:27Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah. Could cut glass with that jaw.

• 54:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, okay, we're up to number nine. I'm gonna have a drink from the giant water bottle now.

• 54:35Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks for sharing. Right when it was your turn to talk.

• 54:39Amanda Dobbins?

  $10 at Target. Uh, I will take sponsorship.

• 54:42Sean Fennessey?

  Right now, the people listening at home are either like, "Her mind," or they're like, "Will she talk?" There's no in-between.

• 54:47Amanda Dobbins?

  It's 64 ounces. Okay, number nine, that's where we are, is a doubleheader from, from Richard Linklater, who just keeps working with rules. Okay, so I would say that I'm slightly, I'm really anticipating Blue Moon.

• 55:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 55:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Because this is about Hart, what is his first name? I'm Googling. Lawrence Hart. You know, I know them as Rogers and Hart, who wrote Oklahoma and The Sound of Music and many other musicals. So it's a biopic about the last days, the opening night of Oklahoma, in fact.

• 55:19Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. Interesting. That's a good framing device.

• 55:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And stars Ethan Hawke as Lawrence Hart and Andrew Scott as Oscar Hammerstein II, which, um, I didn't know.

• 55:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Was, I didn't know he had a two. Anyway, I'm into it. We tried Oklahoma with Knox recently. He liked, uh, the, like, the square dancing, like, the party scenes.

• 55:44Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, what a beautiful morning.

• 55:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but is like a lot of people just like-

• 55:51Sean Fennessey?

  The movie is not very good.

• 55:52Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's not. We've really, we've been going through all of the old timey musicals. And often, like, this adapted stage musicals don't really work. See also Wicked.

• 56:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's shot, like, on location, though, right? It's not, it's not, it's not soundstagey.

• 56:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh.

• 56:07Sean Fennessey?

  I seem to recall the opening being on the farm.

• 56:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're definitely, like, out. I mean, they're just fringe and story on top. They just, like, walk from field to field and then sing another classic song.

• 56:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 56:18Amanda Dobbins?

  But Knox doesn't really care about the classic songs necessarily, so.

• 56:22Sean Fennessey?

  I like the music of Oklahoma quite a bit.

• 56:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's good.

• 56:24Sean Fennessey?

  Um, the movie I've never really liked. It's kind of one of those, just like dingy, not dingy, it's the opposite of dingy. It's like, super bright, technicolor.

• 56:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 56:32Sean Fennessey?

  Absurdist, like, two and a half hour extravaganza.

• 56:34Amanda Dobbins?

  We've also been doing a lot of Guys and Dolls.

• 56:36Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I like that better.

• 56:38Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's, like, not very good. Frank Sinatra's barely awake.

• 56:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 56:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 56:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's tough.

• 56:43Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, they just, it, it takes a long time. We usually, there are some drums and cymbals at the beginning, which Knox requests, and then we fast forward to Sit Down and Rock in the Boat, which is a long fast forward. I tried Luck be a Lady, he wasn't into it. Anyway, um, the other Linklater movie from this year, coming out this year, allegedly, is Nouvelle Vague, which is the making of Breathless, starring Zoe Deutsch. Is, um, though I kind of feel like Emma Se- um, Emma Stone stole her thunder a little bit with the hairdo-

• 57:13Sean Fennessey?

  With the haircut.

• 57:13Amanda Dobbins?

  At the Golden Globes, yeah.

• 57:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's interesting. Zoe Deutsch, obviously, was in Everybody Wants Some, has worked with Linklater before. The making of Breathless. Breathless is one, Breath- what is our version of Breathless? What is, like, the, you know, pulp fiction, I guess? Like, there's a, you know, handful of movies over the years. There's, like, one movie a decade where you're like, I saw that movie and everything changed.

• 57:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:34Sean Fennessey?

  And obviously, a lot of kids who, you know, the French New Wave kids grew up watching Hollywood productions. They had their minds blown. And then, American filmmakers watching the French New Wave have these movies. Linklater is a little bit young to be- He wasn't there, you know, when Breathless dropped.

• 57:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:51Sean Fennessey?

  Right? So him kind of digging in as not somebody who is so, you know, if you listen like William Fried can talk about the French New Wave, like he just split his brain open. He couldn't believe it. So I'll be curious to see what this take is. I mean, both of these stories are biopic-y in nature, you know, they're historically bound, which is something he's done before, right? Like he did me in Orson Welles.

• 58:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:12Sean Fennessey?

  He's done, I'm trying to think what other, The Newton Boys in a way is kind of a biopic movie. I'm sure I'm forgetting something else that he's done that is in that vein as well. So it's not totally foreign to him, but those are not historically his most successful projects. Nevertheless, two Linklater movies.

• 58:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:26Sean Fennessey?

  In a year is exciting.

• 58:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Blue Moon is, or the, as best Google can tell me, rumored for May 2025, which has a Cannes feel to it. And you almost wonder if they'd do like a.

• 58:36Sean Fennessey?

  Pin them, pin them together.

• 58:37Amanda Dobbins?

  A double header at Cannes.

• 58:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, maybe honor him in some way.

• 58:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that would be cool.

• 58:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Should we go?

• 58:43Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I'm going to golf in Oregon that weekend.

• 58:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I'm so angry at both of you right now.

• 58:49Sean Fennessey?

  I am, I'm experiencing, uh, I'm trying to work my way through a hip flexor strain right now.

• 58:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 58:54Sean Fennessey?

  So in the event that it is not healed.

• 58:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 58:57Sean Fennessey?

  Then I'll go to.

• 58:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Go to France instead of going back to Oregon.

• 59:01Sean Fennessey?

  That's my solemn oath to you.

• 59:02Amanda Dobbins?

  To golf with my, I.

• 59:05Sean Fennessey?

  Be nice, be nice.

• 59:06Amanda Dobbins?

  When you guys booked this, I said to you, that is the same time as Cannes. Like, let's go to Cannes instead. And both you and my husband were like, no.

• 59:15Sean Fennessey?

  Um, yeah, I mean, America first. What can I say?

• 59:19Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, my number eight is The Mastermind, another movie that I don't know a lot about, but has a very intriguing tagline and a great cast. This is basically how we make these, these lineups. I know, very impressive water bottle. Congratulations. There's water in it. The Mastermind, written and directed by Kelly.

• 59:40Sean Fennessey?

  You OK?

• 59:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You can't make me laugh.

• 59:45Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I'm OK. Yeah, it was just very powerful, you know, so a lot of water at once.

• 59:49Sean Fennessey?

  Let's put that in the fan cam, folks.

• 59:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I had to open the thing. I'm gonna leave it open now.

• 59:54Sean Fennessey?

  Great. Seems like a good idea. You're very performatively popping it open, too.

• 59:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. That's why I was like, that was a mistake. I have to keep it closed like at home around that because Knox will go right for it, you know? And I gave a whole speech about how my water bottle is just for me.

• 1:00:09Sean Fennessey?

  To him, but not to me, thankfully.

• 1:00:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't like sharing water bottles.

• 1:00:14Sean Fennessey?

  Among other things.

• 1:00:15Amanda Dobbins?

  But so I agree, for recordings, I should keep it open. It's our first time with the water bottle.

• 1:00:20Sean Fennessey?

  Are you OK?

• 1:00:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm doing my best. Jesus Christ.

• 1:00:25Sean Fennessey?

  So glad we chose to record today. The Mastermind is the movie on my list, written and directed by Kelly Reichert, one of my favorite directors. This is the logline of this movie. A daring art theft set against the backdrop of the Vietnam War.

• 1:00:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:00:40Sean Fennessey?

  That's just a lot. That's a tic tac toe if I've ever heard one. Incredible cast in this movie. Josh O'Connor, John Magaro, Gabby Hoffman, Bill Camp, Alana Heim.

• 1:00:50Amanda Dobbins?

  It rules.

• 1:00:51Sean Fennessey?

  Good.

• 1:00:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Sean Fennessey?

  Let's go. Show it to me.

• 1:00:53Amanda Dobbins?

  All the cool people want to work with Kelly Reichert, including me.

• 1:00:55Sean Fennessey?

  It also feels like a Cannes title. If not, then it'll definitely be at the Fall Festivals. Very, very excited about this one. OK, number eight for you.

• 1:01:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And number eight is Paper Tiger.

• 1:01:06Sean Fennessey?

  I'm glad you grabbed this.

• 1:01:08Amanda Dobbins?

  From James Gray, written and directed by, this is not starting to filming yet, so this is one.

• 1:01:13Sean Fennessey?

  Could be 26.

• 1:01:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this is one where you wonder, but this is supposed to star Adam Driver, Jeremy Strong, and Anne Hathaway. The latter two starred in Armageddon Time. And I'll read the description. Paper Tiger is described as a tense and gritty story about two brothers pursuing the American dream only to become entangled in a scheme that turns out to be too good to be true. And then, and then more stuff happens.

• 1:01:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, Adam Driver and Jeremy Strong and Anne Hathaway. I'm in.

• 1:01:44Sean Fennessey?

  Anne Hathaway and Jeremy Strong were very overlooked for their work in Armageddon Time.

• 1:01:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 1:01:50Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, great. That sounds good. I'm very excited about that movie. I fear it will be 2026, but maybe not.

• 1:01:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I do too.

• 1:01:55Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe not. Uh, my number seven is also very intriguing to me. Um, it's called Sentimental Value. This is the reunion of Joaquin Trier and Renata Renzvi, the, uh, stars of the star and filmmaker behind The Worst Person in the World.

• 1:02:11Sean Fennessey?

  This movie, uh, I don't know a whole lot about it. I just know that in the Bill Simmons parlance, I have season tickets to this pairing and I'm really excited. Eskyel Voigt is also back. He was the co-writer of Worst Person in the World. Um, and so I'm really pumped for this. Comedy, drama, also stars Stellan Skarsgård and Elle Fanning and Corey Michael Smith, who portrayed Chevy Chase in, uh, Saturday Night. So.

• 1:02:35Amanda Dobbins?

  He was good. I mean, if you're tall, you're tall, you know?

• 1:02:39Sean Fennessey?

  I, I really enjoyed his work. He's also phenomenal in May-December. He is, um, Julianne Moore's elder son in May-December. He's a super talented actor.

• 1:02:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Sean Fennessey?

  He's really good. Um, so this is a cool cast. Looks like it will be, it was shot in Oslo, so, but I assume, I assume much of it will be in English, given some of this cast. Um, but The Worst Person in the World, I think, was my second favorite movie of that year when it came out and, um, I'm really excited about this. So that's my number seven. Okay. What do you got?

• 1:03:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Number seven, and this is honestly where all the rankings just get silly, you know? We're just choosing, uh, who knows?

• 1:03:16Sean Fennessey?

  This is an excuse to say movie titles.

• 1:03:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Mickey 17. Uh, Bong Joon Ho's follow-up to Parasite, starring Robert Pattinson, one of the great movie stars working. Uh, I meant, this has moved release dates like 45 times.

• 1:03:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:03:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, Warner Brothers up to some shenanigans, but I think it has, most recently landed on March 7th.

• 1:03:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, it just recently flipped dates with Sinners, which is a movie that I'm about to name on my list. Sinners, a new Ryan Coole movie. So now it's coming in March after originally being in January and before that being in 2024. So hopefully we'll finally get to see this movie. Um, you know, a movie that's been much concern trolled in terms of its, uh, financial viability.

• 1:04:02Sean Fennessey?

  I will make a pledge to you right now to not worry about that.

• 1:04:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:04:07Sean Fennessey?

  To take the movie-

• 1:04:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's beautiful.

• 1:04:09Sean Fennessey?

  At its face and to enjoy it as much as I can. We're only going to get so many Bong Joon-ho movies in this lifetime. Let's try to enjoy them.

• 1:04:15Amanda Dobbins?

  That's lovely. That can be the second tagline of this podcast for this year.

• 1:04:22Sean Fennessey?

  What was the other one? It was like, "Two mystical children-

• 1:04:24Amanda Dobbins?

  And connect in order to discover their lives.

• 1:04:28Sean Fennessey?

  They love water bottles and films. My number six is "Highest to Lowest", which is a new movie from Apple and A24, directed by Spike Lee and starring Denzel Washington. This movie notably is a remake of a sort of Akira Kurosawa's "High and Low", which is one of my favorite films of all time. If you listen to our episode about Toshiro Mafune that Chris and I did during COVID, we talked about this movie quite a bit. Story about a businessman who is enduring a kidnapping of his child and needs to navigate all of the moving pieces to make sure that he can get his family back together. I would imagine they're going to take some liberties with this storyline. The cast of this movie is really interesting.

• 1:05:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's Denzel, Jeffrey Wright, Ice Spice, and ASAP Rocky.

• 1:05:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Cool.

• 1:05:19Sean Fennessey?

  That is not a joke.

• 1:05:21Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great.

• 1:05:22Sean Fennessey?

  Very intriguing.

• 1:05:24Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see. I'm excited. It's based on King's Ransom, the Ed McBain novel, which I guess is what the "High and Low" film is based on, which I don't know if I even really realized that, that the Ed McBain novel was the original basis.

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• 1:07:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Number six, After the Hunt. The Luca Guadagnino movie that has filmed. This is one that is in the can.

• 1:07:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's done?

• 1:07:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, yes. I think they filmed it as opposed to his 45 other things.

• 1:07:32Sean Fennessey?

  Are you editing it?

• 1:07:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm available. I'll hang out with Luca anytime he wants, here or in Rome at the hotel that he creative directed.

• 1:07:41Sean Fennessey?

  Who's in this movie?

• 1:07:42Amanda Dobbins?

  This is Julia Roberts, Iowa Debré, and he of the David Hyman pendant, Andrew Garfield. And also Michael Stilberg and Chloe Sevigny. It's just incredible. So this is academic me too, as best I understand it. A college professor is forced to grapple with her own secretive past after one of her colleagues is faced with a serious accusation.

• 1:08:05Sean Fennessey?

  Intriguing.

• 1:08:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm in.

• 1:08:08Sean Fennessey?

  Love Luca.

• 1:08:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Season tickets to Luca.

• 1:08:11Sean Fennessey?

  Luca loves a sordid tale.

• 1:08:12Amanda Dobbins?

  He does. And he likes beautiful things.

• 1:08:15Sean Fennessey?

  He does.

• 1:08:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And he likes movie stars, so I'm on board. And also apparently scored by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross again.

• 1:08:24Sean Fennessey?

  Thankfully. You have not seen Queer Yet?

• 1:08:26Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I just, I'm behind.

• 1:08:28Sean Fennessey?

  That's one of those movies where now, I saw it, didn't really like it very much, and now there's something calling to me that I'd like to return to it and reconsider. So if you get around to it, let me know. Maybe we'll make it an opportunity to discuss on the show. Number five is Sinners. That's the movie I just mentioned. Ryan Coogler. This is, I guess, a period piece vampire movie, though vampires have not really been revealed in any of the marketing materials.

• 1:08:52Amanda Dobbins?

  But if you know, it's pretty heavily implied, you know?

• 1:08:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Obviously, Michael B. Jordan appears in all films directed by Ryan Coogler. This one notably for Warner Brothers and his first non Marvel film in quite some time. I guess the logline here is trying to leave their troubled lives behind twin brothers, who are both portrayed by Michael B., return to their hometown to start again, only to discover that an even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back.

• 1:09:20Sean Fennessey?

  Hailee Steinfeld, Jack O'Connell, Juanmi Masaku, Jamie Lawson, Omar Benson Miller, my guy Delroy Lindo.

• 1:09:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Amazing cast.

• 1:09:30Sean Fennessey?

  Extraordinary cast. Ludwig Gernsen is back in the mix.

• 1:09:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, good. Great. Okay. Cool. I'm in.

• 1:09:37Sean Fennessey?

  Vampires? Just so soon after Nosferatu.

• 1:09:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Another one that I still haven't seen. I'm gonna do it. My heart's open.

• 1:09:45Sean Fennessey?

  You know, Coogler negotiated to retain the copyright of this film.

• 1:09:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I do know that.

• 1:09:49Sean Fennessey?

  So he will own it after a certain number of years. It's either 10 or 25. I can't remember.

• 1:09:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Sounds like 20. I was gonna say 25, but I'm not his lawyer, so.

• 1:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think about that phenomenon?

• 1:09:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Great?

• 1:09:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Does that, what does that mean? That means that then, after 25 years, he can do whatever he wants with it in terms of releasing it, licensing it. Yeah.

• 1:10:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, if somebody wants to run it in a repertory house, if he wants to make a sequel.

• 1:10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Release the 4K. Yeah.

• 1:10:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. You know, I have some big 4K news, but I'm gonna sit on it.

• 1:10:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's actually not my news to share.

• 1:10:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 1:10:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:10:24Sean Fennessey?

  I'm waiting for the right time.

• 1:10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:10:26Sean Fennessey?

  I'm really excited.

• 1:10:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:10:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's not my news.

• 1:10:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it someone that I know's news?

• 1:10:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Am I gonna be disappointed?

• 1:10:34Sean Fennessey?

  I hope you'll be delighted.

• 1:10:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:10:36Sean Fennessey?

  I was delighted. Delighted.

• 1:10:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:10:43Sean Fennessey?

  What's your number five?

• 1:10:44Amanda Dobbins?

  The Phoenician Scheme. I mean, new Wes Anderson movie.

• 1:10:47Sean Fennessey?

  I'm pumped for this.

• 1:10:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Espionage comedy drama? Great.

• 1:10:50Sean Fennessey?

  So pumped for this.

• 1:10:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, you know, it's a Wes Anderson version of an espionage comedy drama, but I bet. Let me read some of the cast for you. Benicio del, Benicio del Toro, Michael Sarah, Bill Murray, Riz Ahmed, Tom Hanks, Benedict Cumberbatch, Scarlett Johansson, Charlie Gainsbourg, Rupert Friend, Willem Dafoe, Bryan Cranston, Mia Therapleton, Tony O'Rango, Isha Joy Samuel. The list goes on and on. Great. I love it.

• 1:11:12Sean Fennessey?

  Think this is happening this year? Seems like it, right?

• 1:11:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope so.

• 1:11:16Sean Fennessey?

  Reason to return to Venice.

• 1:11:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I think that they have at least filmed it.

• 1:11:21Sean Fennessey?

  What's your fall film festival strategy this year?

• 1:11:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Honestly, here is the main issue. Well, okay, number one, I have two children.

• 1:11:31Sean Fennessey?

  That is definitely the main issue.

• 1:11:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so that, that's a thing that we're working through on an hour to hour basis. Number two, uh, my friend got Oasis tickets at the Rose Bowl. And I think one is earmarked for me. But so that's, I think it is, yeah. But I think it's in real conflict with the Venice schedule. So how am I gonna get from Venice to Oasis at the Rose Bowl?

• 1:11:55Sean Fennessey?

  It's Telluride time.

• 1:11:56Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's not. I, I don't, you know me.

• 1:11:58Sean Fennessey?

  Come to the mountains.

• 1:11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I don't do mountains. I don't do fields.

• 1:12:02Sean Fennessey?

  You're going to Toronto. Is that what you're gonna do instead? Will you go to the Toronto Film Festival?

• 1:12:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I've never been to Canada, so maybe this is my year.

• 1:12:10Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, something to consider.

• 1:12:12Amanda Dobbins?

  And I guess I could go.

• 1:12:13Sean Fennessey?

  You're a woman of the people. That's the People's Film Festival.

• 1:12:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yes, that, that is true. That's, that's what I do.

• 1:12:18Sean Fennessey?

  Everyone is saying that.

• 1:12:19Amanda Dobbins?

  So, so I don't know. We, I gotta talk to Venice. I gotta talk to my, yeah.

• 1:12:23Sean Fennessey?

  Talk to Venice?

• 1:12:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I gotta talk to them. I gotta talk to my other people. Uh, namely my husband. I'd like to go to New York, too.

• 1:12:30Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm. The New York Film Festival.

• 1:12:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:12:32Sean Fennessey?

  I'll be there.

• 1:12:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, which is in October. Um, I am not golfing, so I'd like to go to Cannes, but, you know.

• 1:12:41Amanda Dobbins?

  There are a lot of things I'd like in the next hours, days, months and years. We'll see.

• 1:12:49Sean Fennessey?

  The struggle of life.

• 1:12:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:51Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, my number four is 28 Years Later.

• 1:12:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:12:55Sean Fennessey?

  I was very much looking forward to this movie. I mentioned this in a video that Chris and I made about the trailer for on YouTube, but that I was told by someone who works in the industry that this script was the best script they had read in five years, written by Alex Garland, directed once again by Boyle. It's the third film in their 28 zombie trilogy, um, soon to be a quadrilogy and a, what is five quintology?

• 1:13:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:13:21Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I believe there are two other films coming in the aftermath of this movie, but this one, yeah, my friend said best script in five years. And once we saw the trailer, I was like, put it in my, put it inside me, put it inside me immediately.

• 1:13:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:36Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I'm very, very, very, very pumped for this. Um, this movie comes out, we mentioned, I should mention Sinners comes out in April and 28 Years Later, uh, is released June 20th. So June looking much better than July this year? Have you noticed that?

• 1:13:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I, uh, none of this seems solid to me.

• 1:13:57Sean Fennessey?

  You think a lot of this.

• 1:13:57Amanda Dobbins?

  At least not summer wise. Um, anything from May on, I just, I think that there will be a lot of moving around.

• 1:14:04Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting, okay. Have you seen the 28 days and months later? You haven't seen those films?

• 1:14:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, because it's zombies, right?

• 1:14:12Sean Fennessey?

  It is zombies, yeah, they're very fast zombies.

• 1:14:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that was the, the big innovation.

• 1:14:17Amanda Dobbins?

  That, I mean, that seems really upsetting.

• 1:14:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I, I can check, I'll check it out before this one.

• 1:14:23Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. You know that, um, it's virtually impossible to stream either of these, the first two films.

• 1:14:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:14:31Sean Fennessey?

  They're not available on digital. You need to own them on physical media.

• 1:14:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 1:14:34Sean Fennessey?

  Which of course I do.

• 1:14:35Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great.

• 1:14:36Sean Fennessey?

  In fact, I have a, a double pack. I have a one box that has both films inside of it.

• 1:14:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Happy for you.

• 1:14:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm also a member.

• 1:14:43Sean Fennessey?

  Do you want to come over and watch them?

• 1:14:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, that'd be great. Or I could just rent them from Vidiet's, our, our local.

• 1:14:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Community. Video store.

• 1:14:51Sean Fennessey?

  Why not video tech as well? You know, there's so many great options in your neighborhood. You wouldn't have to interact with me.

• 1:14:58Sean Fennessey?

  Just mean. Um, okay, what's your number for?

• 1:15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Black bag.

• 1:15:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, let's go.

• 1:15:04Sean Fennessey?

  Coming soon.

• 1:15:05Amanda Dobbins?

  This is the second Steven Soderbergh film of 2024.

• 1:15:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, we've both seen Presence.

• 1:15:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:15:10Sean Fennessey?

  So we don't have Presence on our list. Presence is coming to movie theaters in a week and a half.

• 1:15:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Incredible. This is coming on March 14th. Not the only March 14th release on my, on my list.

• 1:15:22Sean Fennessey?

  We'll get there.

• 1:15:22Amanda Dobbins?

  We'll come back to that. Uh, but this is a spy thriller starring Cate Blanchett and Michael Fassbender. So star and written, no, directed by, written by David Cap and directed by Steven Soderbergh, who is just a incredibly important figure in my life, filmmaking and ideologically. Just, once again, his culture diary. No one doing it better.

• 1:15:44Sean Fennessey?

  If I could ask him one question about his culture diary, what would you want me to ask?

• 1:15:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I would like to know about his, his book reading and how he's making his fiction choices. Because he is one of the great readers of contemporary women's fiction out there. Like, every single, like, you know, Oprah or Good Morning America Book Club book, or any literary fiction book written by a woman that is released, like, it is on Soderbergh's list. That's awesome. And like, and so we have a lot of overlap because that's often where my tastes go as well. But I would like to know how he's making his choices. And like, and why is that his lane? Is that just what he's interested in reading? Is he reading that for like, producing purposes?

• 1:16:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that just, he did a great podcast for the New York Times Book Review with Gilbert Cruz, and was talking about how he reads to like, turn his brain off, which I relate to. But anyway, that's what I want to know. How's he picking his fiction? And has he noticed those patterns?

• 1:16:50Sean Fennessey?

  I'll ask him.

• 1:16:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:16:51Sean Fennessey?

  Should I also ask him for his number, or what?

• 1:16:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I hope you, you know, have it for Zoom purposes, but I don't need it. You could also ask him about the tennis. Um, does he play tennis? Does he have a tennis instructor?

• 1:17:03Sean Fennessey?

  Are you sure you don't want to join me for this interview?

• 1:17:06Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay.

• 1:17:07Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, um, I'll also be asking him why he rewatched every Star Wars property last year.

• 1:17:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, it's like, he's just hanging out, you know?

• 1:17:15Sean Fennessey?

  He's very notable that he was like, "Today is a good day to watch Revenge of the Sith."

• 1:17:18Amanda Dobbins?

  He also watched so much tennis and so much true crime and...

• 1:17:26Sean Fennessey?

  You're getting like all, like, I can feel you getting all worked up.

• 1:17:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, it's pre-legendary, you know, like the Miami Open Women's Final, like, that's a real one.

• 1:17:35Sean Fennessey?

  Black Bag is a movie.

• 1:17:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Sean Fennessey?

  Starring fast-bender Cate Blanchett, right?

• 1:17:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:17:40Sean Fennessey?

  Um, it looks great.

• 1:17:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's sort of like Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but if Soderbergh directed it and maybe not funny.

• 1:17:47Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's going very overtly for 70s Michael Caine spy movie.

• 1:17:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, great.

• 1:17:52Sean Fennessey?

  Um, which is a genre of movie that I like quite a bit. I think I sent you the trailer to The Black Windmill when I saw the Black Bag trailer and I was like, "Seems like he's really in this." I think he watched The Whole Croft Covenant last year, which is another one of those Michael Caine movies. Um, so yeah, it seems like a pretty dark.

• 1:18:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I just meant they're married and they're spies.

• 1:18:10Sean Fennessey?

  Totally, yes. The premise is very similar to Mr. and Mrs. Smith, not the look. Uh, my number three is Mission: Impossible: The Final Reckoning.

• 1:18:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, at some point, we're just putting things on lists that we can't...

• 1:18:22Sean Fennessey?

  That we both want to see.

• 1:18:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Number three is sort of low.

• 1:18:24Sean Fennessey?

  You think so? Well, numbers two and one.

• 1:18:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, number one is obviously, like, everyone knows, but number one, ah, okay.

• 1:18:31Sean Fennessey?

  Number two and one, you know, eh.

• 1:18:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I get it, okay. Uh, I texted you, I didn't see this trailer when it came out, because I think it came out, like, while I was in the hospital with Si. So then I saw it before Gladiator 2 at like 10:00 in the morning and I started crying in the theater.

• 1:18:47Sean Fennessey?

  It's overwhelming.

• 1:18:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I texted you.

• 1:18:49Sean Fennessey?

  It's overwhelming. First of all, I never left. I never abandoned Mission: Impossible and I never will. The way that the whole trailer is set up to be like Tom Cruise must once again for the final time... Sacrifice his body and soul so that you may be entertained and the world may survive. Hilarious, just incredible stuff. Uh, I'm pumped, I'm pumped.

• 1:19:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It was a magnificent trailer. I love these movies. I still don't care about AI. I have some, you know.

• 1:19:17Sean Fennessey?

  This movie is gonna be proven to be so prescient. Come on.

• 1:19:21Amanda Dobbins?

  It just, the last, the AI part, it didn't make sense, okay? So now he's gotta like-

• 1:19:25Sean Fennessey?

  There's a cruciform key!

• 1:19:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Gotta like submarine dive and then it's-

• 1:19:28Sean Fennessey?

  And they need it to open. The submarine. It's like slight revisionist history, cuz you were a little cold on Dead Reckoning on the actual reaction pod. A lit- that's a touch cold.

• 1:19:40Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, and that, listen Bobby.

• 1:19:42Sean Fennessey?

  Ah!

• 1:19:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that we have to open our hearts to the idea of change and evolution. This is our third tagline, so it's okay. It's, we're opening our hearts to the idea of change and evolution.

• 1:19:55Sean Fennessey?

  I was trying to defend-

• 1:19:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I just said that the AI stuff doesn't work, and once again, I don't really like underwater stuff.

• 1:20:00Sean Fennessey?

  A cruciform key!

• 1:20:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's cool that Tom Cruise can scuba dive or whatever, but cinematically, like, do I like watching it that much? As when he's sailing through the air? I love Haley Atwell. I would like to marry Haley Atwell. I forgot to, did I cancel my Starz subscription? Cuz I was gonna, I subscribed to watch Apollo 13, and then I was gonna re-watch the Howard's End that she did with Matthew McAdams.

• 1:20:24Sean Fennessey?

  Been such a long week. I can't believe this. It's just-

• 1:20:28Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what?

• 1:20:29Sean Fennessey?

  Detach, please. Just, just detach.

• 1:20:33Amanda Dobbins?

  You didn't have to come in today. You were the one that was like, we can do it, and I said, I'll get it together. And so now I'm talking about Haley Atwell. I, I mean, I, I'm so excited for this movie.

• 1:20:45Sean Fennessey?

  This is a war! Um, okay. Why don't you, why don't you do your number three?

• 1:20:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:20:51Sean Fennessey?

  We're getting close here.

• 1:20:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Materialist.

• 1:20:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Celine Song's new film, uh, starring Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, who you and Joanna owe an apology to, and Pedro Pascal.

• 1:21:00Sean Fennessey?

  This is Chris Evans' revenge.

• 1:21:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I like all of these people and all of their work. And this is also a romantic comedy about a matchmaker, her ex-boyfriend and a wealthy businessman. Because why not?

• 1:21:13Sean Fennessey?

  Last Wednesday, I was feeling very sad for obvious reasons. And put on 21 Jump Street on Netflix. And I had forgotten Dakota Johnson was in it, just talking shit to Jonah Hill.

• 1:21:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Really, really good.

• 1:21:25Sean Fennessey?

  Really funny. Great. 21 Jump Street, fantastic, super funny movie. Has aged very well in my mind.

• 1:21:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:31Sean Fennessey?

  Materialist? Sounds good. It looks a little bit polished, based on the set photos.

• 1:21:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:21:38Sean Fennessey?

  Which I would say is a little different from how I viewed Past Lives. And I wonder, you know, obviously a filmmaker going up, going up in budget, going up in star power. Curious to see how that translates. Celine Song, I have faith.

• 1:21:52Amanda Dobbins?

  A polished rom-com with three stars from a writer-director who actually, who thinks about things?

• 1:21:59Sean Fennessey?

  In Tear Veins.

• 1:21:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:00Sean Fennessey?

  My number two is Marty Supreme.

• 1:22:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 1:22:03Sean Fennessey?

  In 99 out of other 100 years?

• 1:22:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Sean Fennessey?

  This would be my number one, most anticipated. This is the one of two Safdie movies coming out this year. This film is directed by Josh.

• 1:22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:17Sean Fennessey?

  And I believe is co-written with Ronald Bronstein, the co-writer of many Safdie Brothers movies. This is their first feature since Uncut Gems. Benny also has a film coming out this year, The Smashing Machine, starring Dwayne The Rock Johnson.

• 1:22:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:22:30Sean Fennessey?

  Interestingly, I believe Marty Supreme is based on a true story. And is it based on a true story? I can't recall.

• 1:22:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's a ping pong movie starring Timothy Chalamet.

• 1:22:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:41Sean Fennessey?

  And set in the 1950s. And Timmy has been rocking that nice mustache for the last few months. And he's been rocking it because he's been in character for this movie. Also stars Gwyneth Paltrow, Tyler, the Creator, Pen Jelette, Abel Ferrara, the legendary filmmaker, Fran Drescher.

• 1:23:00Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know very much about the movie, other than I'm getting after-hours vibes.

• 1:23:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:04Sean Fennessey?

  I'm feeling, I'm feeling the Scorsese influence, which is always evident in the Safdie Brothers movies. And New York's that story, of course, Dated for Christmas Day.

• 1:23:13Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just very pumped.

• 1:23:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Gwyneth Paltrow did a legendary Instagram post where it was just a roundup of all of the fancy restaurants she went to while living in New York filming this movie, which she's my queen. I'm very excited about this also.

• 1:23:28Sean Fennessey?

  Intriguing, putting Gwyneth in a Safdie Brothers movie.

• 1:23:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I love it.

• 1:23:32Sean Fennessey?

  You know, she's really like a languorous kind of performer, you know, really sort of even keeled, not a nervy type, I would say.

• 1:23:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but I mean, she grew up in New York. She can do it.

• 1:23:42Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, yeah, the hardscrabble streets of New York, for sure.

• 1:23:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Remember when Susan Sarandon was dating that ping pong guy?

• 1:23:48Sean Fennessey?

  I do, I do.

• 1:23:49Amanda Dobbins?

  That was like a whole thing.

• 1:23:51Sean Fennessey?

  So I don't know very much about this fellow, but Marty Reisman is the guy's name who the story is based on, who was a professional champion table tennis player.

• 1:24:01Sean Fennessey?

  I'm excited about this. That's my number two. And I'm looking forward to The Smashing Machine, too.

• 1:24:06Sean Fennessey?

  I really love Benny and I love The Curse, Nathan Fielder, Emma Stone Show, which is, we're gonna look back on as like a miracle. That show is insane and profound and so strange and features incredible performances from the three of them. So yeah, I'm looking forward to that one, too. Okay, what's number two for you?

• 1:24:25Amanda Dobbins?

  My number two is not my number one because that would feel like too biased. And it was also on my last year's list, but this is confirmed. This is a film written and directed by my very good friend, Marc Anthony Green, called Opus. It is coming out on March 14th. It's debuting at Sundance in like a week and a half. It stars John Malkovich and Iowad Ibrry. I mean, it's a horror film being released by A24. M A G did it. I can't wait. I'm psyched.

• 1:24:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, I haven't seen this movie. I've known.

• 1:24:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't seen it either. And honestly, M A G, like, it's a little fucked up at this point because Zach has seen it. Like, everyone else in my life knows a lot about it. And it's not that he's been keeping it from me, but I think he's like, it's gonna be, you're gonna see the finished product.

• 1:25:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's been keeping it from me. I've known M A G for almost 15 years at this point. We worked together at GQ many, many years ago. And I've been hearing about iterations of feature film from him for a long, long time. And this is a, this is a real movie. This is a movie movie.

• 1:25:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm in the can for it. Like, we visited the set. Knox ruined a take. Like, it's really, like, like, truly, I'm very sorry, 824, thank you. I know better than to take a small child to a movie set, but um, I, it's, I'm really excited. This is the real thing, so.

• 1:25:46Sean Fennessey?

  Me too. Hope I can see it soon.

• 1:25:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:48Sean Fennessey?

  You are going to Sundance.

• 1:25:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Unless one of the kids gets sick. Or, I mean, listen, I, I was going to Sundance until the events of the last week. I mean, I do my absolute best. We're, like, we're both going, but I think if, between me and Zach, if only one of us can go, I think Zach goes, but I don't know.

• 1:26:05Sean Fennessey?

  He's already seen it.

• 1:26:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That is true.

• 1:26:08Sean Fennessey?

  Something to think about.

• 1:26:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, anyway, yes, I hope we both go.

• 1:26:11Sean Fennessey?

  My number one is The Battle of Bacton Cross.

• 1:26:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:13Sean Fennessey?

  Which I still don't believe will be the title of this film, though we shall see. Uh, this is the new feature film from Paul Thomas Anderson.

• 1:26:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's coming out in August, August 8th.

• 1:26:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so I know that there's a thing with the IMAX screens, and so that there's gonna be competition for the IMAX screens, that this is like in IMAX, and so you think it's gonna keep that August 8th date because of IMAX.

• 1:26:38Sean Fennessey?

  I just haven't heard anything to the contrary. I know Matt Bellany suggested on an episode of The Town at the end of last year that he had heard rumblings that it might move to 2026. Obviously, things at Warner Brothers have been incredibly complicated over the last three or four years under the new administration. Their head of marketing just got fired after a series of flops this year. It's all up in the air. Huge year for the leadership, Pam Abdi and Mike DeLuca. Mike DeLuca, famously the guy who gave PTA, huge shot with Boogie Nights, a huge advocate for him over the years.

• 1:27:11Sean Fennessey?

  This may or may not be an adaptation of Pinchon's Vineland. It's been unconfirmed a lot of the outlines of the story that I've read, and I've, I've been breaking a lot of my own rules with trying to figure out what the hell's going on with this movie and trying to like read up on things that I shouldn't be reading up on, but the cast is insane. It's Leo, Regina Hall, who I've been hoping they would work together for years. She's like the most perfect fit for his sensibility. I know he's a fan of hers. Sean Penn back after working with him on the last film. Alana Heim back. Tiana Taylor, also an inspired casting choice. Wood Harris from The Fucking Wire. Benicio del Toro, they're reuniting again. Uh, it seems like a big, crazy, violent spectacle, not quite like a war movie,

• 1:27:51Sean Fennessey?

  but um, a movie with battle. Uh, and Leo's styling in the film is interesting.

• 1:27:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. I mean, yeah, of course.

• 1:28:01Sean Fennessey?

  This is it.

• 1:28:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Front row seat, or like, you know, buying tickets the minute they're on sale.

• 1:28:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, take me home. How many more PTA movies are we gonna get?

• 1:28:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, all this is not, is not ideal.

• 1:28:12Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, this goes right in the corner of the Mickey 17 box office. I don't care.

• 1:28:16Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's also not ideal for like our lives. So, you know, I would love for them to-

• 1:28:21Sean Fennessey?

  You go on vacation. I'm happy to pot along.

• 1:28:23Amanda Dobbins?

  It's called Leave? It's called Parental Leave? Bonding Time?

• 1:28:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I'd take it.

• 1:28:28Amanda Dobbins?

  See, but you say it like a threat. So-

• 1:28:30Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean?

• 1:28:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I, you know.

• 1:28:31Sean Fennessey?

  You're free to take whatever you like.

• 1:28:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I also wanna see this movie. I'm looking forward to it. I like the films of Paul Thomas Anderson.

• 1:28:36Sean Fennessey?

  Take July. Come back in August. You can miss Superman.

• 1:28:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well.

• 1:28:41Sean Fennessey?

  Think about it.

• 1:28:42Amanda Dobbins?

  That is something to think about. Okay. But whatever. I, I'm excited for this film.

• 1:28:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:28:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I think it deserves a-

• 1:28:50Sean Fennessey?

  It'll be a real test of your enthusiasm.

• 1:28:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I knew that you would put in those terms. Okay.

• 1:28:55Sean Fennessey?

  What's your number one?

• 1:28:56Amanda Dobbins?

  My number one is F1. Currently scheduled for June 27th.

• 1:29:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yep. Last movie you'll see before you leave.

• 1:29:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I'm planning to see it at Cannes, where I do think it will debut out of competition.

• 1:29:08Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, listen, as I said, we've been watching a lot of Top Gun Maverick. Uh, so I, and I do believe in Joseph Kaczynski. I'm like even more Top Gun Maverick-pilled than I was, I think, in 2022, if that's possible. Just because, you know, I can watch it with my, my almost three-year-old and my parents and everyone comes together and just cheers when Tom Cruise throws the rulebook into the, the trash can, you know, which is, that's, that's beautiful. That's cinema.

• 1:29:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's what my dad would have done.

• 1:29:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Very emotional. Um, I do also, I feel like Brad Pitt pulling a Tom Cruise is sort of sad and also like maybe a good career path, like at.

• 1:29:56Sean Fennessey?

  It feels very strategic to me.

• 1:29:58Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's, some of the other experiments have not really worked out in the last couple of years. I think his celebrity is like at a really interesting or complicated, shall we say, point. And so if you just become a guy who just drives cars for forever.

• 1:30:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, that's been my theory for the last five or so years with his career is he's taking a lot of parts that don't have a lot of, um, opportunity to discuss, like, human psychology, personal experience. Um, they're not quite superhero parts, but they're very like, they're very contained and they're very like small, odd worlds. And that way, there's not a lot of penetration into the broader Brad Pitt experience because he's protecting a lot, protecting a lot, given what's been going on in the tabloids over the years.

• 1:30:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, so I, I think that's a good use of him, even if it's sad that you don't get, you know, your, your money balls and your burn after readings and your character actor stuff.

• 1:30:55Sean Fennessey?

  He's in a different phase than I think most big time movie stars. You know, we're planning this Paul Newman episode, which will now happen probably in February. I'm thinking about him and how he kind of transitioned into his 50s and 60s and how he's really like the model for getting older while being like a strapping, young, beautiful star. And we talk a lot about how Cruise does it, how Denzel does it, how daring some actors are and how some like retrench into something very safe. The best way to do it, if you're gonna be safe, is to do something big and bold. And F1 is like a big, bold, old school ten pole movie.

• 1:31:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, that's the other thing I was gonna say is that it's been filming for 15 years.

• 1:31:32Sean Fennessey?

  Like a $350 million movie. It's a huge movie.

• 1:31:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And like, is that sometimes, that sometimes you need time and sometimes that is alarming. It seems to be Joseph Kaczynski's method, like a bit, especially when you're doing all of the practical, like the actual driving.

• 1:31:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:31:48Amanda Dobbins?

  We'll see. The trailer, absolutely. Yes, I'm in.

• 1:31:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, kicked ass.

• 1:31:52Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 1:31:53Sean Fennessey?

  I'm excited.

• 1:31:53Amanda Dobbins?

  And I'm also, I think, like, I'm ready for a big budget spectacle. You know, if it's ridiculous, I'm good. And summer blockbuster, all the better for me.

• 1:32:05Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so I don't know if you have any additional honorable mentions on top of what I put down here. I put down a lot and I thought we could choose one movie from this honorable mentions list to be our 25th and final film.

• 1:32:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:32:16Sean Fennessey?

  Okay?

• 1:32:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:16Sean Fennessey?

  So I'm gonna go through them as quickly as I can.

• 1:32:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:32:19Sean Fennessey?

  The first one, which was originally on my list and I took it off last minute, but I've heard great things about this movie, is called The Drama. This is the new movie from Christopher Borgli, starring Robert Pattinson and Zendaya.

• 1:32:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right.

• 1:32:29Sean Fennessey?

  I had the aspect of the script explained to me and it sounded fascinating. I really like Dream Scenario, the last Borgli movie. I really like Sick of Myself, his movie before that. He's got a really corrosive, funny point of view. He was an awesome guest on the show. If people haven't, a lot of people hadn't seen Dream Scenario when we did that episode, but I highly encourage people to go back and listen to him because he was such a smart guy, such a cool guest. So that's one. Two, Caught Stealing, new Darren Aronofsky movie. You have, this is a real war for you.

• 1:32:57Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like, it's really, really, really hard because in addition to it starring Austin Butler as a former baseball player, it also stars Zoe Kravitz, Regina King, and Matt Smith.

• 1:33:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Who is really, really important and I think underused.

• 1:33:14Sean Fennessey?

  But.

• 1:33:14Amanda Dobbins?

  But Aronofsky.

• 1:33:16Sean Fennessey?

  Now, I love Darren Aronofsky movies. Not all of them, but most of them. You do not. What's your favorite?

• 1:33:23Amanda Dobbins?

  My favorite Darren Aronofsky movie? I mean, I guess Black Swan.

• 1:33:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Even though my issues with it are the issues that I have with many of the other movies.

• 1:33:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that it focuses women.

• 1:33:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just kind of like all full of shit. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I guess The Wrestler is not. The Wrestler is very good.

• 1:33:44Sean Fennessey?

  I would argue that's the most full of shit movie he's ever made.

• 1:33:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, that's the thing. It's like, they're all like really, really full of shit. It's like, okay, guy, I know you love Mother, but like, you know, and maybe Mother.

• 1:33:57Sean Fennessey?

  Noah is the one that I can't really get into. I like The Wrestler. I just think it's like him really kind of putting on somebody else's clothes.

• 1:34:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Mother is at least the most honest of like where I think it's the most honest of his movies.

• 1:34:10Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:34:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I just find them kind of annoying, but also all the rest of this is just right down the middle for me.

• 1:34:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, uh, more. A remake of The Running Man, which under normal circumstances, I would not be terribly interested in.

• 1:34:25Amanda Dobbins?

  But Glenn Powell.

• 1:34:26Sean Fennessey?

  Glenn Powell and Edgar Wright.

• 1:34:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and they recently cast someone else.

• 1:34:30Sean Fennessey?

  El Coleman Domingo.

• 1:34:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:32Sean Fennessey?

  Who's playing the host who was originally portrayed by Richard Dawson, um, which is pretty inspired casting. So, and you know, The Running Man, um, I believe was originally a Richard Bachman story, which was Stephen King's pseudonym. In the eighties when he was public, when he was like literally publishing like 13 novels a year.

• 1:34:53Sean Fennessey?

  Arnold and Glenn Powell are very, very different. And I think, I believe in the Bachman story, there's a little bit more of an everyman quality to the lead. And Arnold being this superheroic figure and becoming so unbeatable in the game of The Running Man is an interesting way of reframing it. I could be wrong about this. I haven't read that story in a long time. I probably read it when I was a teenager, but I don't know. It's been a long time since an Edgar Wright movie. I think Last Night in Soho was like 2020 too, so looking forward to that one. The Monkey, this is the new Oz Good Perkins movie, his first movie since Long Legs.

• 1:35:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:26Sean Fennessey?

  Theo James in this. Very crazy trailer for this movie, very violent, very bloody. Should be interesting. I'm seeing it next week.

• 1:35:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Phil's Long Legs. That was really good. That was good. That's why we do this on video.

• 1:35:39Sean Fennessey?

  A new thriller from Park Chan Wook, No Other Choice.

• 1:35:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:35:42Sean Fennessey?

  Very fired up about that. Um, I've, I've paired two movies here. Avatar Fire and Ash.

• 1:35:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:35:49Sean Fennessey?

  Perhaps you've heard of it?

• 1:35:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50Sean Fennessey?

  This is the third Avatar feature from James Cameron.

• 1:35:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Zoe Saldana off her Oscar win. Is she in this one? What happens? So they join the water community.

• 1:35:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and now I believe.

• 1:36:00Amanda Dobbins?

  We love water. They talk to the whale. Do they have to leave at the end?

• 1:36:03Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but you know, these are parables about ecology and we're in the year of the LA fires. And this is going to be a movie. This is almost certainly going to be about that. It's going to be almost certainly going to be about what happens when we don't take care of our, our earth, our space, our world.

• 1:36:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:36:20Sean Fennessey?

  And how it can burn. Like I. That's, again.

• 1:36:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:23Sean Fennessey?

  James Cameron.

• 1:36:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:36:25Sean Fennessey?

  Operating in a completely other orbit from the rest of the world. And also somebody who has been banging the drums so, so loudly about climate change for so long.

• 1:36:33Amanda Dobbins?

  And fire. And, I mean, you can read about the Malibu compound before.

• 1:36:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:36:38Amanda Dobbins?

  He sold it.

• 1:36:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:36:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:39Sean Fennessey?

  Um, okay. And then his, his former partner, Catherine Bigelow, has a new movie coming out. Does not have a title. All we know is that it's set at the White House and features the president.

• 1:36:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 1:36:51Sean Fennessey?

  For Netflix.

• 1:36:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I, I don't know. What would? Catherine Bigelow, we like presidential movies. Also, do I want to live in that world? Right now, I saw Detroit, you know, I, it's, it could go a lot of different ways.

• 1:37:07Sean Fennessey?

  Rebecca Ferguson, Jared Harris. Idris Elba, Greta Lee.

• 1:37:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I like all of those people.

• 1:37:13Sean Fennessey?

  What if I told you our friend Tracy Lutz was in it?

• 1:37:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I'm excited. That makes me think higher, more highly of it. Okay, I don't know, we could keep going, we have a lot more here before we decide.

• 1:37:24Sean Fennessey?

  A lot more. Uh, Roof Man.

• 1:37:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:37:27Sean Fennessey?

  This is Derek C. in France's new movie. He of, uh, Blue Valentine and A Place Beyond the Pines.

• 1:37:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. And Cowboy Bebop?

• 1:37:36Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:37:36Amanda Dobbins?

  What was that?

• 1:37:37Sean Fennessey?

  That's not, that's not Derek C. in France.

• 1:37:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, what is that?

• 1:37:40Sean Fennessey?

  Cowboy Bebop is, uh, was a, a Japanese anime title.

• 1:37:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, then.

• 1:37:44Sean Fennessey?

  It was adapted into a Netflix series.

• 1:37:46Amanda Dobbins?

  What was the cowboy thing? And was that not C. in France? Was that, oh, no, it's Whining, Whining Refn.

• 1:37:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you're confusing your preferred Ryan Gosling auteurs.

• 1:37:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but which one was, I mean, that was a cowboy, Copenhagen Cowboy was that one.

• 1:37:59Sean Fennessey?

  That was Nicholas Whining Refn, yeah.

• 1:38:00Amanda Dobbins?

  That, also Soderbergh watched that last year.

• 1:38:02Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, that was a quality program that I spoke with Chris Ryan about in 2023 on The Watch.

• 1:38:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I listened to that podcast.

• 1:38:08Sean Fennessey?

  Really enjoyed that show. Uh, Roof Man is about a roof man.

• 1:38:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:13Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, incredible cast, Channing Tatum, Peter Dinklage, Kirsten Dunst, Ben Mendelsohn. Lakeith Stanfield and Juno Temple.

• 1:38:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:21Sean Fennessey?

  This is an old school character piece about a regular guy.

• 1:38:25Amanda Dobbins?

  One of my notes to the Golden Globes about their production was that Kirsten Dunst was in attendance and I did not see her on the, on the screen, so fix that.

• 1:38:36Sean Fennessey?

  It's a shame. Uh, let's keep going. I mentioned the Bigelow movie. Um, Honey, Don't is the next Ethan Cohen movie that also stars Margaret Qualley.

• 1:38:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, like, people should do whatever they want with their time and their ideas and their success.

• 1:38:53Sean Fennessey?

  Cool. Uh, very kind gesture on the movie podcast from you. What about Elio, the new Pixar movie?

• 1:39:01Amanda Dobbins?

  What about it, Sean?

• 1:39:02Sean Fennessey?

  My child looks very excited about this movie. We've seen the trailer a couple of times. It's been pushed a couple of times. You know, Disney famously needed to have a gonzo 2024. And all their risky titles got pushed to 2025. You know Deadpool Wolverine can stay. Inside Out 2 can stay. Elio going to 2025. We'll see. Originals are tough for Pixar these days. I hope it's good and I'm looking forward to it.

• 1:39:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Joyce Aldanya is also a voice performer in this film.

• 1:39:26Sean Fennessey?

  What a year for her. It's gonna be incredible.

• 1:39:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:39:28Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Begonia?

• 1:39:30Amanda Dobbins?

  What's this again?

• 1:39:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yorgos Lanthimos in Emma Stone's new movie?

• 1:39:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the one that she cut her hair for?

• 1:39:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, she shaved her head.

• 1:39:38Amanda Dobbins?

  So she, so we're that much hair growth in like two months?

• 1:39:43Sean Fennessey?

  I guess.

• 1:39:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that what we're meant to believe? Or maybe she just sort of, you know, buzzed it?

• 1:39:48Sean Fennessey?

  I've had this length of hair for roughly 25 years.

• 1:39:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, I know. So I'm currently, you know how you lose a lot of hair at postpartum?

• 1:39:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:55Amanda Dobbins?

  So that, that happened, it's sort of happening this week, by the way. I was just like...

• 1:39:59Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I'm sure there are other reasons for that.

• 1:40:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Totally, totally. But I was like, oh, this is great. And so my recollection, and I'm, we'll all chart this together on YouTube. Thanks for joining, everyone. Um, it's like, it takes the hair longer to grow back. But I guess the hair was like this long, right?

• 1:40:17Sean Fennessey?

  You're talking about Emma Stone's hair? Okay, not your own hair?

• 1:40:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I just like, did she actually bick it? Or was, did she just cut it very short and then wear a bald cap and then?

• 1:40:26Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good question. I'm not really sure.

• 1:40:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I, she looks great. Does it really matter? No.

• 1:40:30Sean Fennessey?

  The Life of Chuck was the audience award winner at the Toronto International Film Festival. New film from Mike Flanagan, stars, uh, Tom Hiddleston. Looking forward to it. Also based on a Stephen King work. The Bride?

• 1:40:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Oh, right, the Maggie Gyllenhaal?

• 1:40:43Sean Fennessey?

  This is the Maggie Gyllenhaal adaptation of The Bride of Frankenstein starring Jessie Buckley.

• 1:40:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And then you've paired it with Frankenstein, which is the Guillermo del Toro Frankenstein starring Jacob Elordi.

• 1:40:55Sean Fennessey?

  Correct.

• 1:40:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Where is, what's Jacob Elordi been up to?

• 1:40:58Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, he's got another project coming down the pike too. Well, you haven't, have you not seen the Paul Schrader film? Oh my.

• 1:41:05Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 1:41:06Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Canada?

• 1:41:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I definitely read and listened to you talking about it a lot.

• 1:41:11Sean Fennessey?

  Beautiful movie.

• 1:41:12Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great.

• 1:41:13Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible Richard Gere performance. Lordy's good.

• 1:41:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:16Sean Fennessey?

  Lordy, he plays young Gere.

• 1:41:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:17Sean Fennessey?

  There, there's a height difference.

• 1:41:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, he's like really tall.

• 1:41:22Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Lordy is, yeah, six, five or six, six. Yeah, he was in a movie that debuted at TIFF called On Swift Horses, and then he's playing Frankenstein's monster in Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein.

• 1:41:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Oh, and he's supposed to replace Paul Meskell in the new Ridley Scott movie.

• 1:41:36Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:41:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I just read that, yeah. And he had a beard.

• 1:41:39Sean Fennessey?

  Quite a cast in this, uh, Frankenstein.

• 1:41:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, oh, oh, I forgot. Oh.

• 1:41:44Amanda Dobbins?

  And he's in Wuthering Heights with Emerald, yeah, that, that disaster, that is like, yikes.

• 1:41:50Sean Fennessey?

  That's 2026, right?

• 1:41:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, yeah, February 13th.

• 1:41:53Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:41:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:41:54Sean Fennessey?

  Um, Friendship. The Paul Rudd, Tim Robinson comedy that Adam Namon told us about out of the Toronto Film Festival. Which also got picked up by A24 and is reportedly the funniest studio comedy in a decade.

• 1:42:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited.

• 1:42:11Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see.

• 1:42:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I love to laugh.

• 1:42:13Sean Fennessey?

  Speaking of laughing.

• 1:42:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:15Sean Fennessey?

  The Untitled Trey Parker and Matt Stone and Kendrick Lamar comedy.

• 1:42:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:19Sean Fennessey?

  This is dated for July 4th.

• 1:42:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:22Sean Fennessey?

  Not very much is known about it.

• 1:42:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:24Sean Fennessey?

  Kendrick famously a fan of South Park.

• 1:42:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:27Sean Fennessey?

  Where are you at on Trey and Matt?

• 1:42:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, you know, I, I am second to you, you know, and I, I see the floor to you in your enthusiasm.

• 1:42:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:36Amanda Dobbins?

  And isn't that all the origin of the nuzzler?

• 1:42:38Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 1:42:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:39Sean Fennessey?

  Cannibal the Musical, Orgasmo.

• 1:42:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:42Sean Fennessey?

  South Park, Bigger, Longer and Uncut, Team America, World Police, Basketball, uh, 35 Seasons of South Park. Name a, name a more iconic duo.

• 1:42:53Amanda Dobbins?

  You won't let me talk about Howard's End, you know?

• 1:42:56Sean Fennessey?

  I won't, it's not, I'm not stopping you. I've created a platform. And I'm using it to speak about the great works.

• 1:43:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I, that's great. I think.

• 1:43:05Sean Fennessey?

  Like South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut, where love flourished. And here we are 25 years later.

• 1:43:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, those are funny, you know?

• 1:43:14Sean Fennessey?

  They're all funny.

• 1:43:15Amanda Dobbins?

  They're funny. I haven't seen all of them, but like I was a teenager during.

• 1:43:19Sean Fennessey?

  I really fell off South Park. I don't really watch South Park anymore. I can't pretend to.

• 1:43:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I was a teenager when South Park was, wasn't I?

• 1:43:26Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it's hard to overstate the phenomenon level.

• 1:43:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:29Sean Fennessey?

  When we were in like 8th grade, when South Park hit.

• 1:43:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:31Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it took over culture for a period of time. And obviously it's still very, very popular.

• 1:43:35Speaker 06

  It held culture all the way till I was in middle school.

• 1:43:38Sean Fennessey?

  I'm saying.

• 1:43:39Speaker 06

  South Park Bigger Longer Uncut went triple platinum at the sleepovers.

• 1:43:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 1:43:43Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm not trying to take it from any other generation. It belongs to all of us.

• 1:43:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Whether I, as the, the mom at the middle school boy's sleepover.

• 1:43:53Sean Fennessey?

  Will allow that.

• 1:43:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Would screen it, not because I disapprove, but like.

• 1:43:56Sean Fennessey?

  Because it's animated.

• 1:43:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Imagine getting the call from the parent who doesn't approve.

• 1:44:01Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, this will be our life soon.

• 1:44:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I don't want to be having that phone call.

• 1:44:04Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna be the permissive dad. You can watch whatever you want.

• 1:44:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, I think so too, but like I really, really don't want to be here.

• 1:44:10Sean Fennessey?

  I'll also be watching Sleepaway Camp and Silent Night, Deadly Night in a couple of years. It's all good. Uh, The Fantastic Four, The First Steps.

• 1:44:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah. How are you feeling?

• 1:44:22Sean Fennessey?

  Well.

• 1:44:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Hold on, let me see if I can name all, I just want to name the actors. I don't know who they're playing.

• 1:44:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:44:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so Evan Moss-Pacrack.

• 1:44:32Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Pedro Pascal.

• 1:44:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:44:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Vanessa Kirby and that guy with the cat from A Quiet Place, Day One.

• 1:44:42Sean Fennessey?

  The Human Torch Would Like A Bank Loan. That's a line from Anchorman. Um, his name's Joseph Quinn.

• 1:44:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and he was also in Gladiator 2.

• 1:44:51Sean Fennessey?

  He was. He was one of the Mad Evers.

• 1:44:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Those are the four?

• 1:44:53Sean Fennessey?

  Those are the four, yeah.

• 1:44:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm correct?

• 1:44:55Sean Fennessey?

  They're playing the Thing, Mr. Fantastic, the Invisible Woman.

• 1:44:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. What's she do? Like, what's her vibe?

• 1:45:01Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think, what do you think she does?

• 1:45:03Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, like, you know, what's the story?

• 1:45:06Sean Fennessey?

  President of the United States of America. What's his vibe? What does he do?

• 1:45:12Sean Fennessey?

  She's a, she's a doting and faithful wife to a genius.

• 1:45:16Amanda Dobbins?

  You say that.

• 1:45:18Sean Fennessey?

  It's a familiar archetype.

• 1:45:20Amanda Dobbins?

  That's funny. You're not always funny, but that was funny. Um, but it's like Batman's a detective and I didn't know that.

• 1:45:28Sean Fennessey?

  You're learning so much here on the pod.

• 1:45:29Amanda Dobbins?

  So like, what's her origin story? You know, what's she bringing?

• 1:45:33Sean Fennessey?

  She got married to Reed Richards and they were like, let's go to space. And then like they get exposed to some space stuff and then it makes them, it makes them transform and get all these powers.

• 1:45:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So are other, he's invisible too?

• 1:45:46Sean Fennessey?

  No, he is stretchy. He can, he can reach in any direction, you know, with his legs and his arms.

• 1:45:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I do think being invisible is cooler than being stretchy.

• 1:45:53Sean Fennessey?

  The sexual opportunity.

• 1:45:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. That's true. I mean.

• 1:45:57Sean Fennessey?

  That's why she sticks around, Sue Storm.

• 1:46:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Like how much fan fiction is there about?

• 1:46:03Sean Fennessey?

  I, that's not, that's legitimately not my lane, but I'll bet it exists.

• 1:46:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:46:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. So that'll be interesting. There have been other adaptations of the Fantastic Four. They have all been abominable. So.

• 1:46:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Why? What is it about the Fantastic Four?

• 1:46:17Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I think they're making a good choice here by setting this movie, I believe in the 1960s, which is, um, there's a kind of like, uh, nuclear family aw shucksiness to the Fantastic Four story. And there's, you know, it's a kind of a space race, sort of a story. Um, I don't know if it's actually going to be a space, but I think there's, you know, there's an interplanetary travel thing.

• 1:46:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Over promise the space.

• 1:46:38Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want to give you a Apollo 13, but like there might be a little bit of it. Matt Shakman, long, long, long time TV director.

• 1:46:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Stars again.

• 1:46:44Sean Fennessey?

  No, I don't, I don't think so. Carl Sagan. Uh, Tron Ares.

• 1:46:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Stars, the movie channel.

• 1:46:50Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no, I don't want you to say that either. Uh, Tron Ares.

• 1:46:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:46:54Sean Fennessey?

  This is the third Tron film. It's directed by Joakim Roning. He directed The Young Woman in the Sea. Starring Daisy Ridley, did you see that?

• 1:47:04Amanda Dobbins?

  No, not yet.

• 1:47:05Sean Fennessey?

  I liked it.

• 1:47:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, good.

• 1:47:06Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty nice movie. The last one is The History of Sound.

• 1:47:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:10Sean Fennessey?

  This is the new film from Oliver Hermanis,

• 1:47:14Sean Fennessey?

  starring your boy Josh O'Connor.

• 1:47:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And Paul Mascol.

• 1:47:18Sean Fennessey?

  And Paul Mascol, yeah.

• 1:47:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Who I think you kind of owe an apology to as well.

• 1:47:21Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean?

• 1:47:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I think he was fine in Gladiator 2.

• 1:47:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's my Irish brother, he's miscast.

• 1:47:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, like, your understanding of muscle tone needs work.

• 1:47:30Sean Fennessey?

  You're frail, Paul. You're a frail boy.

• 1:47:33Amanda Dobbins?

  That's crazy.

• 1:47:37Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just playing. Okay, out of all of these movies, what's the 25th choice? So we can wrap this up.

• 1:47:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:47:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But should we do, I don't know, The Drama Caught Stealing? The Running Man? Do you want to do something bigger? Do you want to do something more fun? Do you want to do?

• 1:47:57Sean Fennessey?

  Bob has got his, he's got his cursor on no other choice, the Park Chan Wook film.

• 1:48:01Speaker 06

  That would be my vote.

• 1:48:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That's your vote? I mean, that, you have a lot of taste. That's very high-minded and highbrow of you. And that's fine. I mean, I do like movie stars. You know, I'm, like, it's my Robert Pattinson here, so that's kind of where I want to go. But...

• 1:48:18Sean Fennessey?

  Bob, your choice is No Other Choice from Park Chan Wook. A very good choice. This movie is also very high on my list. Almost made it to my 12. Let's do the drama.

• 1:48:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:48:27Sean Fennessey?

  We got movie stars.

• 1:48:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:28Sean Fennessey?

  We get an original story that we don't know very much about.

• 1:48:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:48:32Sean Fennessey?

  That's it. You feel good about this? You glad you came to work today?

• 1:48:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I am. This was nice. This was trying to look forward to things was nice. It was a good vibe. I hope, and I hope that people experienced it that way.

• 1:48:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Just loving good thoughts to everybody who's been dealing with the awfulness of the last week. And I hope everybody stays safe through whatever is coming in the next few days. We may have another episode this week. I hope we do.

• 1:48:59Amanda Dobbins?

  We're gonna try our best.

• 1:49:00Sean Fennessey?

  We're gonna try our best. We're gonna try our best to see Den of Thieves 2 Pantera, which CR has seen. Amanda and I have not seen it yet.

• 1:49:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:07Sean Fennessey?

  And we're gonna talk about it. And maybe some other stuff. Maybe we'll throw some other movies in there. Maybe September 5. Maybe we'll get into that.

• 1:49:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I have seen that one.

• 1:49:16Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see, but if we don't have another episode, that's okay. Okay. We'll be back at some point. We're gonna stay safe. Yeah. We're gonna try to stay healthy. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thanks to our producer Bobby Wagner for his work as well. We'll see you soon.

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