578 JD Roth: The Journey of Transformation Against All Odds

"THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO AK IS, ‘IS IT YOUR BEST?’” Today I’m joined by someone I’ve seen on television as long as I can remember. He’s been in the business longer than most people and has used his power to help everyone he meets. JD Roth is an actor, producer, and best known for his hit TV show The Biggest Loser. He fell into his passion at the age of 10, and has earned his fame through the power of transforming others. JD bases all of his decisions on passion and what story he can tell to his audience. While most people think about money or ratings, that’s one of the furthest things from his mind. He’s a unique individual who has touched and inspired each person he meets. I was blown away when I first met him at just how much he engages with everyone around. He’s sincere, listens, and appreciates everyone. We’re lucky enough to have him share his life experiences, and give insights on how you can transform yourself into a passion driven machine that lives the most fulfilling life possible, on Episode 578. Some questions I ask: How did you learn the business side of film? (8:47) Were you parents always pushing you to pursue this? (11:38) If your show’s not making money or getting ratings, but you love it, you’ll still do it? (14:55) What’s the formula to tell a great story on TV or film? (16:40) There’s still a huge problem for weight loss, isn’t there? (20:51) Do you believe timing is everything for TV shows? (29:26) How do you tell a great story? (31:24) Was there ever a time when you lost your confidence? (34:09) How do you stay hungry and passionate? (44:45) If you could write your own story for the next chapter of your life, how would it go? 49:41) What would you say is the thing you struggle with the most? (57:57) What’s a question you wish more people would ask you? (1:00:26) What would your wife say is your greatest fault? (1:04:45) What’s the key to happiness? (1:09:29) Things you will learn: JD Roth’s career since childhood (6:46) How he learned to do his work for love not money (10:43) Why he choose to tell the weight loss transformation story (17:47) The most fascinating part of TV (20:10) How he stays committed when things don’t work out (25:41) The formula for a great show (30:13) What JD feels is missing for him right now (48:40) His take on the sexual harassment in Hollywood (52:20) Where the best art in history has come from (55:33) The greatest lessons his mom and dad taught him (59:26) The thing that inspires him most about his wife (1:02:57) The transformation he still gets to do (1:07:00) Plus much more... Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 578 with J D Roth.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:32Lewis Howes?

  Marianne Williamson said, "It is our own thoughts that hold the key to miraculous transformation." Today, we've got J D Roth on, who is an American television personality, actor, children's game show host, a voiceover performer on many TV programs, and the TV producer of many reality shows. He's also the co-creator of the reality show The Biggest Loser, which is on NBC, one of the biggest hits of all time. He also hosted ABC's fall 2008 series, Opportunity Knox, and he was the announcer on the ABC TV show Extreme Weight Loss.

• 1:11Lewis Howes?

  He has done some incredible things throughout his career as an actor, as a producer, as a voiceover, as a creator, as an entrepreneur, and he has so many nuggets of wisdom to give back. And I love his storytelling and his capacity to tell stories of transformation. We're going to dive into some of that today. Some of the main things we talk about are what is the formula for a great TV show that is a big hit? Also, why fear can be the greatest fuel for us. Also, why team chemistry is so important and valuable, and how he believes in the art of reconnection as opposed to disconnection. We talk about why it's better to look in the mirror versus looking at the view,

• 1:52Lewis Howes?

  and so much more about the process of growth and transformation and success and the science behind it. I'm super pumped for you guys to check this out. Some golden nuggets throughout the entire episode. And J D is a guy who has a wealth of information. Before we dive in, I want to give a shout out to the fan of the week. Big thank you to AmyGraceProjects.com who left a review over on iTunes for the podcast. And she said, "Podcasts are a part of my morning routine while I work out. So I'm always on the search for ones that are self-developing and will keep me focused for the day on building myself and business. The School of Greatness is exactly what I'm looking for in a podcast and can't wait to work my way through the library."

• 2:37Lewis Howes?

  So Amy Grace Projects, thank you so much for leaving your review over on iTunes. And if you guys want a chance to be shouted out on the podcast, then head over to iTunes or open up your podcast app and leave a review right now. Alright guys, I'm super pumped for this one. Again, make sure to take a screenshot of this, tag me on Instagram right now, @lewis Howes, that you're listening to this and let me know the moment that inspired you the most. Send me a message on Instagram or Twitter or Facebook and let me know the moment that inspired you the most from this episode with the one, the only, J D Roth.

• 3:18Lewis Howes?

  Welcome everyone back to the School of Greatness Podcast. We have the legendary J D Roth in the house. Good to see you, man.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  From one to another, buddy.

• 3:25Lewis Howes?

  I appreciate you, man.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Lucky to be sitting here with you.

• 3:28Lewis Howes?

  We are, we're in the greatness studio. Our mutual friend Todd Weinstein introduced us. We had a meeting a couple of months ago. And connected in that meeting, and I'm so glad that we're doing this now.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 3:39Lewis Howes?

  I want to continue to connect with you. And you're one of the few people that I've met who looks people in the eye as intently as I do.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 3:46Lewis Howes?

  When we had our conversation, Todd wasn't even in the room. We were just like locked eye to eye and I was like, huh, it's impressive that someone else is willing to connect that intently the way that I feel like I try to do with people.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 3:57Lewis Howes?

  Your presence.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  In that moment, yeah.

• 3:59Lewis Howes?

  Your ability to connect and be present. And even though you've created so much in your life and you've done so much as an actor, as a host, a TV show creator, you know, producer, all these other things, you're still present with everyone that I've experienced with, with my team. You're, you're, you're present and you don't act like you're better than or no more or something else. You're open to learn.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  First, I don't believe I am, you know, I really don't. And, and second, I think. So many people work for years next to someone they don't even know their last name. They ask how someone's morning is, but they don't really wait for the answer. Nobody ever seeks somebody out at the Starbucks line to say, "How you doing today?" And really look at the person and expect to get the answer back. And because so many people are having one-sided experiences with their phone, no matter what that free space of time is, it doesn't let anything creep in anymore, especially human interaction, which to me is at an all-time low. We can rub shoulders next to so many people and never see any of them in a day.

• 5:02Lewis Howes?

  Right. Yeah. And you're the king of transformation. You've been, I guess your claim to fame is the biggest loser creating that. That's been the biggest success story, right, that you've done? But you also were an actor as a kid, right? Went to acting and then you became a host of shows as you got older, correct?

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 5:20Lewis Howes?

  You've been a part of the TV and business for a long time.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  I'm 50 and it's my 40th year in-

• 5:25Lewis Howes?

  40th year-

• 5:26Speaker 01

  -show business.

• 5:27Lewis Howes?

  In show business. You've probably seen a lot.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  I have, and I had a lot of friends who were part of that rat pack of popularity, who brightest stars burn the fastest kind of scenarios. And I watched from a distance. I watched all of that stuff go down. And I wanted to kind of do something different. I played Robert Downey Jr.'s best friend in his first movie. To, I stayed as a kid in New York City multiple times with Anthony Michael Hall at his house because I'd have an early call time for the next day. You know, Mike, and we would pal around together. So I was around all these guys, Christian Slaters. The first job I ever had was with Sarah Jessica Parker. So when you start thinking about these names and these people-

• 6:06Lewis Howes?

  At 10?

• 6:07Speaker 01

  At I was 11 when-

• 6:07Lewis Howes?

  Wow, 11, gotcha.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  It took me a while to get my first gig.

• 6:10Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So you were with her on your first gig, wow.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  First gig with Sarah Jessica Parker and Ricky Lake, the three of us.

• 6:16Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So you kind of grew up with all these child actor stars who became, you know, adult stars or whatever.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Yep. And, and everyone transitioned into their own thing. Good, bad, or you know, highs, lows. I've seen it all happen over that period of time. And for me, it was always about something bigger than being what I refer to as a meat puppet. You know, that host who just comes out and just talks. That ownership was everything. And that creating the show and having the control, other than just being the host, it was great to give myself work. You know, when I'd create a show, I could, I could host it. But on the other side of it, ownership was everything. If you really want to make an impact in your own business, you have to be the one in control of it.

• 6:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow, most actors that I've heard about don't become owners of their own films. They just like to be the actor, the talent, correct?

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:05Lewis Howes?

  That I've seen.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 7:06Lewis Howes?

  There's very few that kind of branch off and say, okay, I'm gonna produce this, I'm gonna create it, I'm gonna write this, I'm gonna direct it, whatever it may be. Some do, right? But most of them are just like, wanna be the talent. Now, how did you learn to do that part of the business as well?

• 7:18Speaker 01

  I equate it to like, a linguistic person, someone who speaks multiple languages, right? I'm amazed, I'm still working on English. Like, how can you speak French and Spanish? To me, that's what I do, it's just in the creative arts. So I'm able to speak the language of being the talent, and then I love the language of the creative side, the behind the scenes. And I also love the entrepreneurial language as well. And I think being able to speak all of those languages has made me a better business person, because I know where the creative person's coming from when they're really passionate about something. And I know where the business guy's coming from when he's like, hey, listen, you can't spend that money. And I know how to speak both languages so that both people feel like they got what they wanted. And I think that that's important. The most famous story about kind of how I got my start was,

• 8:02Speaker 01

  I was a pretty successful teenage kind of actor, doing guest spots and commercials and film and stuff like that. And my parents didn't know it, but I called, and when Michael Jackson was at his peak, I bought a gross, and now gross, by the way, is a hundred and forty-four, nobody knew that back then, a hundred and forty-four Michael Jackson pins. And I bought them, and I think it cost me like seventy-five dollars. And I used to wear them on my denim jacket, and when I was walking to auditions or to shoots, I would sell them for a buck a piece on the streets of New York. And when my parents finally found out, they were, my dad was super mad. Cause he's like, you realize how much money you're making being on camera? I had no idea. To me, it was the thought that, well, while I'm on my way, I might as well make an extra dollar or two. You know what I mean, to pay for my lunch or whatever I was doing.

• 8:47Lewis Howes?

  You were like a teenager at this time, or?

• 8:48Speaker 01

  I think I was thirteen, yeah.

• 8:49Lewis Howes?

  Thirteen, so you were getting, you didn't even know how much you were getting paid?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:53Lewis Howes?

  Cause your parents were kind of controlling the money?

• 8:54Speaker 01

  I knew I was getting a lot of mail, I just didn't know there were checks.

• 8:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 8:57Speaker 01

  But I had no clue that that's how.

• 8:58Lewis Howes?

  So they weren't letting you know?

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Had no idea.

• 9:00Lewis Howes?

  Why not?

• 9:00Speaker 01

  My dad was an attorney, and he handled a lot of investing and things like that. And I think he wanted me to do it for the love. of what I was doing and it wasn't until I was getting ready to go to college I said I don't need to go to college my continuing acting career and that's when he sat me down and he said hey listen uh you can go to college on interest and it won't cost you a dime to go does that change your opinion of whether you want to go to college or not and it did actually change my mind to get that college experience but I had no idea and to me that is the very definition of having passion in any area whether it's picking up garbage whether it's growing flowers being an actor whatever it is if your heart and soul is in it that you literally cannot sleep at night because you want it so bad that's where your brain needs to be because there's always someone who's gonna want it more than you

• 9:44Lewis Howes?

  yeah of course

• 9:44Speaker 01

  and so you have to have that willingness to go beyond anything you thought you needed to do and it certainly can't be because of the money it just can't be

• 9:51Lewis Howes?

  yeah

• 9:52Speaker 01

  because you'll never get it

• 9:53Lewis Howes?

  now is your dad always pushing you to pursue this or

• 9:56Speaker 01

  so my my dad was an attorney and a judge my mom was a stay at home mom they wanted no part of this literally none in fact I used to roll up the TV guide as a kid and interview anyone who came to the door so it was the mailman or the whoever it was they always had to answer three questions before I'd let them

• 10:12Lewis Howes?

  really

• 10:13Speaker 01

  before I'd let them go and he used to drive my parents crazy you know there was a joke that like when I was a kid if I opened up the refrigerator and the light went on I would do five minutes you know I would just ask questions to anyone and drove them nuts so finally they wouldn't do it and I impersonated my dad's voice and got an audition in New York for a kind of a kid showcase and my parents we had never as a family been to New York City and my parents said you know we're gonna take you and that'll be the end of it you won't get it I don't ever want to hear about this again and I waited in line around the entire building and it was you had to sing a song so all these kids had sheet music which I didn't even know what sheet music was and I had a Billy Joel tape and I sang honesty with Billy Joel

• 10:51Lewis Howes?

  no way

• 10:52Speaker 01

  I think they just thought it was funny and

• 10:54Lewis Howes?

  but they gave it to you

• 10:55Speaker 01

  five people got it and Me, Sarah Jessica Parker, Ricky Lake, and two others. And we all started together in this little showcase. A few years ago, I ran into Sarah and it was just a big hug. Like, do you remember?

• 11:06Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  We saw pictures of us from back then.

• 11:08Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  It was a pretty cool moment.

• 11:10Lewis Howes?

  What was that show again?

• 11:11Speaker 01

  It was just a showcase for kids, you know, in New York. Like, this kind of restaurants, dessert restaurant, where it would be a showcase for the public and for potential agents and things like that.

• 11:21Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:22Lewis Howes?

  Holy cow, so you're saying honesty?

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Dude, that was a long time ago.

• 11:25Lewis Howes?

  Do you have, did they film that or no? That'd be amazing if you had that tape.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, nowadays, there's tape for everything. There's a picture for everything. But back then, there were pictures, which I still have.

• 11:34Lewis Howes?

  Wow, but no, no recording of the song?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  No, no, no recording.

• 11:36Lewis Howes?

  That'd have been amazing to see.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:38Lewis Howes?

  Holy cow. So they said, okay, we're gonna do this one thing and then stop talking about it because you're not gonna get it.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Right, then I get it. And then my dad says, now I gotta go to New York every day for auditions. Well, New York was two hours away. So I'll never forget, my dad said, listen, I'll give you a thousand dollars. When you run out, it's over. That's it.

• 11:56Lewis Howes?

  To go to New York and back?

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm thinking, I'm 11. I'm like, a thousand dollars?

• 12:01Lewis Howes?

  You're like, I'm rich.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  I'm never gonna run out, ever. You know, so, and I didn't run out.

• 12:07Lewis Howes?

  Cause you kept getting checks?

• 12:08Speaker 01

  And I never paid him back. And I set a record my first year in New York, which stands today, for the most national commercials ever booked by someone under 18.

• 12:16Lewis Howes?

  Holy cow.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  So I did 22 national commercials. It would be comedy, cause there were not a lot of channels back then. But if a big sporting event would go to commercial, family members would bet, not if I was gonna be in the break, but how many commercials in the break I would be in.

• 12:31Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  So, yeah, typically I'd be in all of them.

• 12:33Lewis Howes?

  What?

• 12:34Speaker 01

  Well, they would run, you do a commercial. It was not like now, every six weeks, it's a new campaign.

• 12:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Back then, it'd be like every three years was a new campaign. So they would just run the spots over and over and over. So, yeah, it was, uh...

• 12:46Lewis Howes?

  You were getting paid.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  It was good.

• 12:47Lewis Howes?

  It's residual checks, yeah, nice, huh?

• 12:48Speaker 01

  I couldn't understand that when it was time to get a car, and my twin sister got like the, you know, used automobile. And my dad's like, what kind of car do you want? I was like, really? You know, I couldn't figure it out. But in the end, I really had no idea that, and I wasn't, I'm still not motivated by that. That's a great byproduct. But money and ratings have never been a motivation for me, ever.

• 13:10Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:10Lewis Howes?

  So if a show is not making money and it's not getting the ratings, but you're excited about it, you'll keep doing it?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Yes, because it's the story you're telling that matters. And if I'm telling a great story that changes somebody's life, people will watch it. I'm sure of it. So it's just about telling a great story of someone transforming their life, of leaving people better off than when you found them. That is it for me. That is the juice. You know what I mean? That is the adrenaline rush for me, is that seeing somebody in pain and then unsticking them and watching them recover right before your eyes. Because you really don't have to do that much. Like, I wish I could take credit for a lot. I can't. I'm able to unstick someone and then I just get out of the way and they do everything else.

• 13:52Lewis Howes?

  Let it unfold, yeah.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:54Lewis Howes?

  So when you look, what's the best story that you look for then? And how do you tell a great story on TV or film? That seems to work every single time.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is a formula.

• 14:04Lewis Howes?

  What's the formula, yeah?

• 14:05Speaker 01

  It's something that touches me. So when I hear somebody's story, if it makes me feel that thing, then I have to tell it. If it makes me want to help them and want to kind of give them the tools. Here's what I believe. We all have emotional impactful moments. Like, wham, it hits you. It could be, your parents get divorced. It could be a relative died. It could be an abusive situation. A hundred people can have the exact same experience and 99 of them can move on with their life and become Louis, right? Successful guy. But one of them doesn't have the tools to know how to process what happened to them and to know how to move on from it. And life stops in that moment for them.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  And it's arrested development and they can no longer move on. Now, for a lot of the people that I work with, you can see their pain, right? They wear it because they're 3, 4, 500 pounds. But emotional pain can sometimes be worse. I tell people, I know, the most miserable people I know can run a 7.0 on a treadmill for 45 minutes.

• 15:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  That doesn't make them happy. It just makes them fit. But we all have things, emotionally impactful moments in our lives that we need to learn how to process and not everybody is good at doing that. And so we should help those people, not condemn them for going to Baskin Robbins to get that pint of ice cream they do every night. Look past the pint. Into the pie, into the bottom, they won't look down into the bottom of the ice cream. They're not gonna look down into the bottom of their soul. We need to help them do that. And if you do help them, then they'll figure out why they need that ice cream. And then all of a sudden, they won't need it anymore. That's the Houdini of it all, right? It's not the ice cream. No one is hungry enough to eat themselves to 400 pounds. So what you perceive as hunger pain is really emotional pain.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  And if you address that as a human being, you will never have a problem as long as you live. If you always go there.

• 15:55Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. What made you want to get into the weight loss storytelling? Because obviously, there's lots of stories you can tell.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:01Lewis Howes?

  Why that type of transformation over some other type of transformation? Whether it be marriage transformation or anything else.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Right. The TV in it all is before and after. Right, so.

• 16:12Lewis Howes?

  What you can see.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Right. If you turn the volume off on my shows, which hopefully you don't, but if you do, you still have a great before and a great after. What goes on in the mind is not as easy to see on TV. But I'm into questions. And so the best questions are the best TV shows. The first big hit I had on NBC was called For Love or Money. It was the notion, a question that's really been around since the beginning of time. Is it love or is it money? Like, which is it? Are you in love with someone, doesn't matter if they have money? Or someone's super rich and that's why you're in love with them? And identify inside you the right and the wrong. And so it was 25 girls coming to meet a bachelor. The bachelor doesn't know it, but the girls are actually playing for a million dollars.

• 16:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow, he doesn't know.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  He doesn't know. So the girl he picks in the end wins a million bucks.

• 17:00Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So is it for love or money?

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. So are they selling themselves as a way to get in with the guy? Because they want the million. And the girls didn't know, but at the end, they had to choose between the guy or the money.

• 17:12Lewis Howes?

  Oh, do you want the money or the guy?

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Right. And so they had to make that decision. So now that's an even more impactful decision in the end. You've been playing this game for money and now did you fall in love along the way?

• 17:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Exactly. Exactly.

• 17:23Lewis Howes?

  What did people do?

• 17:24Speaker 01

  28 million people watched the finale. And it went really well. We ended up doing four seasons of the show. But again, great question. So Biggest Loser is nothing more than a great question. Can you feel like you've lost pieces of your life that you will never get back? So screw it. Or is it possible, without the shortcuts in life, without the stapling, the sucking, the cutting, the pills, is it possible with just good old fashioned hard work to get back what you thought you lost? That's it. That's the simple question. And so, the Beauty and the Geek, another show that I created.

• 17:58Lewis Howes?

  It was a big show.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  It was a big show.

• 18:00Lewis Howes?

  Huge show.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  But, simple question. The idea of not judging a book by its cover. Imagine taking the geekiest guys on the planet and the hottest girls ever, on the first day, I looked them all in the eye and I say, "Whatever you do here, you cannot date each other." They were like, "What? I'm not gonna date these dorks." Three days in.

• 18:20Lewis Howes?

  They start to fall.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Relationships start to happen. Yep. It's that whole mindset, right? Of telling someone what they can't do. And it only becomes what they wanna do after that. And so, the social experiment part of television to me is the most fascinating. It's easy to give someone a prize for something that doesn't really matter and what, but it's the transformative quality that inspires people to make a change. I really was hoping with Biggest Loser, people would not hit their snooze button in the morning, go to the gym, or get the salad instead of the fries. I didn't realize it was gonna turn into this movement, this international movement. Almost, weight loss became like a new religion. You know, from that show. The start of that show. It snowballed into something much bigger.

• 19:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. With the success the show has had and how many people's lives it's impacted, there's still a huge problem for weight loss, though, isn't there?

• 19:11Speaker 01

  I think it's gotten bigger.

• 19:13Lewis Howes?

  Why is that? Even though there's like this movement of like, "Yes, let's take care of our health, let's take care of our mind, let's take care of our soul, let's heal from the trauma of the past." And we're seeing so many people do it, but why is it more and more people are sick and overweight?

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Well, it's like a bad disease that keeps coming back stronger. So first, it's fat-free. Well, what do they do after it's fat-free? They add a bunch of sugar to it. They don't tell you that, it's fat-free. Then it's gluten-free. Then it's-

• 19:39Lewis Howes?

  Dairy-free.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Then it's sugar-free. Then it's gonna, right, and it keeps coming back. Then it's fast food, because, you know, now mom works. And so, that was the Hungry Man meal. And then it was fast food. Then it was like, "Well, I need more of the fast food." When you're giving your body something that's not nutritionally dense, right? So it needs more of it, right? Because it's calorically dense. You're always hungry. It's not getting what it wants. So you feed it all this salt and all this. And it's like, oh, my God, I need more. Well, you think it needs more french fries. Now you supersize stuff and you make stuff bigger. So it keeps coming back worse and worse. But ultimately, what we're not dealing with is pain. People are in pain. And I mean, human suffering kind of pain. And nobody wants to acknowledge it because we all get in our Ubers and check our apps and go on the phone and on our social media. Everyone's life looks great and right?

• 20:25Speaker 01

  And everything is this big show, but no one's actually dealing with the real pain. And when you don't deal with the real pain, you end up filling that hole with something. Alcohol, drugs, food, take your pick. There's even people that exercise too much, right? You could take a good thing and ruin that. And people just aren't dealing with the pain. And I think we're also, we've gotten arms length from human beings. We think we're having more conversations. We're actually having less. Yeah. What's the deepest pain you've had to face? Personally or that I've seen? Personally. Personally, the deepest pain I feel is when I can't help somebody. And so I'll, I'll give you a story. Biggest Loser, hundreds of thousands of people try to get on the show. It gets narrowed down to the final hundred. And then Every season, yeah. We fly all those people out and I meet with them and we do kind of a three day seminar

• 21:10Speaker 01

  of trying to see who really wants it the most, right? And they have medical testing and two people didn't pass medical testing. And I had to go tell them, hey, sorry, you know, you're too sick to be on the Biggest Loser. Imagine that. And you gotta go home. Two different reactions. One guy says, hey, listen, I'm already here. Is there any way you could just like, let me watch and soak in the sessions with the trainers and the dieticians? Because I flew out here and there's only one or two days left. And rather than zip my suitcase up and leave, could I do that? Yes. The other guy got so mad and so upset, he zipped his suitcase up in anger and left that very minute and we never saw him again.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  The guy that stayed, I was so impressed by what he had done. I went back to the doctors and I said, "Is there any way that we could see if we can give this guy another test or something?" And it turned out there was and the test was $5,000, so they didn't want to tell me. I said, "You know what? We'll pay for it." He had the test, he cleared medical, went on The Biggest Loser and lost over 200 pounds. But the part that internally I suffer with is the guy that left that day, three months later died of a heart attack. He had a daughter, he had a wife, he had a successful business and I couldn't help but think, it was by the way, his fifth time auditioning for the show.

• 22:28Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  And he got closer every time. And so, I couldn't help but think is, after the first audition, if he didn't get it, what if he went home and did it? His daughter would have a dad, his wife would have a husband, his business would still have someone at the helm of that business, running it, employing all those people and feeding all of those families as well. And what a loss it was and I couldn't prevent the loss. I couldn't get the guy, the four other times, to go home and do it anyway. He thought that Biggest Loser was gonna solve all his problems and I couldn't get him to think any differently. And because of that, it's affected a lot of people's lives. So those are the things that stick with me. I wish I could help everybody. In fact, the people that were too big to be on The Biggest Loser, that I would send

• 23:11Speaker 01

  home on a plane, we created a show for them, which is, was on ABC.

• 23:16Lewis Howes?

  Extreme weight loss.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, for five years, which I think you know Chris and Heidi, who I love. When I found Chris, you know, he was a guy training people in Arizona and trying to figure out what to do with, and by the way, he was one of the bachelors on For Love or Money.

• 23:32Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Years before that and I never even made the connection.

• 23:35Lewis Howes?

  That's hilarious.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  But yeah, and so he helped with the people that were just too big to even be on The Biggest Loser, so.

• 23:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, and that was a huge success too.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, 150 countries worldwide and helped a lot of people. I prefer to focus on how many people it helped and then how many people were inspired to think that a 500 or 600 pound person, if they can do it, you know what? I can do it too. I can lose the 10 pounds I want to lose.

• 23:56Lewis Howes?

  What was the biggest internal challenge you faced from the teen acting?

• 24:02Lewis Howes?

  Until now, because you've you've seen a lot. You've done a lot of shows. Some have been massive hits. Some have, you know, you worked really hard on that didn't do anything. Maybe you filmed it, then they got shut down or they got canceled after the first season. You've done a lot of those as well.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:17Lewis Howes?

  How do you stay committed to like pursuing something when a lot of things don't work out? First off.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, one of my truths in life is that you can't teach passion. You just can't. You either have it.

• 24:34Lewis Howes?

  Have it or you don't.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  That's it. And so before my kids could speak, I was trying to live by example. And show them the passion that you have to put in something every day. And I don't identify a success as a hit. So if you said to me, what is the biggest show, the best show I have ever done? It was canceled before the whole first season even aired. So I don't.

• 24:59Lewis Howes?

  Because you were the most passionate about it.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And by the way, I thought it was the best show I ever did. And I still believe that. And I still believe that it was really great quality work that came out of like heart and soul. And there were so many people involved and I thought it was, I still believe it's the best thing that I've ever done.

• 25:14Lewis Howes?

  What was that?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  It was called Opportunity Knox. It was on ABC. Ashton Kutcher and I partnered on it. It came out of a game I played at home with my kids when they were little called the favorite game. And at dinner, we would sit around the dinner table, we'd go, what's mommy's favorite, you know, uh, food? And what's Cooper's favorite color? And right, only imagine if that game was gigantic. So we would knock on someone's door. They didn't know we were coming, a family. And we'd put a entire stage in their front yard and invite the entire neighborhood. And then we would get the dad on stage and we'd say, your dream car is a fastback 1964 Mustang, isn't it? Yeah. And we'd roll one up on the stage. And then we'd say, you have this great thing that you do with your son. You collect the state quarters with your son.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  He's like, "Yeah, yeah, we've been collecting them for a long time." Well, you're missing only one state in that entire collection. I have that quarter in my pocket. If you can tell me what state it is, I'll give you the keys to the Mustang. So it's the same game I play with my kids, just amped up on a larger scale. The sweat on this guy's face says every neighbor is watching him and he knows he's had this experience with his kid. For months, putting the quarter, remember the book? You like to put the quarters in the book and all the states were there and he's missing one. All he has to do is tell me the name of it and his dream comes true. And so to milk that kind of moment, and the game was, hey, if you know your family really well, you win a lot of prizes. So how well do you know your family? How intimate are you? How connected are you? Yeah. To the people closest to you?

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Well, I can't think of a better idea for a show. And I can't think of better execution from all the 150 people on the staff, 20 18-wheelers traveling the country, putting up an entire stage within 24 hours, helicopters flying and it gets shots and it was the most incredible show ever. The problem was, two weeks before the show aired, the stock market collapsed in 2008. And nobody cared what your grandmother's favorite ice cream flavor was, they just lost half of their 401K. And no one cared what quarter, the state quarter the guy needed to make, get a Mustang, because they just lost their house. Right? And so as each week the show came on, the market went further and further into despair till people were jumping out of buildings and, right, I mean, you remember that time.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  It was, businesses were ending, government was stepping in to buy GM and to take over Bear Stearns and it was just getting worse and worse and worse. And our show at that time felt a little flippant. You know, for the moment, but how could we have known? Wow. Do you believe timing is everything for projects and TV shows? Absolutely. If you think that I thought The Biggest Loser was going to be the hit. Here's a show, TV is about wish fulfillment. Beautiful people, spectacular cars, gorgeous locations. Okay, I'm pitching a show about someone who's 350 pounds and is unhappy.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Where's the TV in that? And by the way, it takes a long time to lose weight. So now it's gonna be like watching paint dry. So what exactly are you watching? Right? That wasn't a popular choice at that time. When Jeff Gaspar and NBC took a bet on it and said, "I'm gonna bet on this show." I don't think that was a popular decision at the time. So I don't think you can ever really know where the hits are. You just gotta go make the best show that you can make. And then see where the chips fall.

• 28:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So what's the formula for a great show?

• 28:32Speaker 01

  It's the simplest thing in the world. And then you just have to let the viewers decide. Just tell a good story.

• 28:37Lewis Howes?

  That's it.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  So I, twenty-plus years ago, married so far out of my league. The only reason I got her is because I told a great story at a barbecue. So if you could tell a great story at a barbecue, or to your kid before they go to sleep, or to your dog, or to a neighbor, or to a family friend, I think it is the most underutilized form of education in the school system. They don't teach kids how to tell a story. They teach them how to play the tuba. Oh yeah, they're never gonna do that.

• 29:05Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  They teach them biology.

• 29:06Lewis Howes?

  The clarinet.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're never gonna use that. They teach them geometry and, right now, very rare are a lot of the kids gonna use that. But everyone really is gonna end up selling something in their life. Whether it's a cellphone, TV show, a podcast,

• 29:22Lewis Howes?

  A relationship.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  A car, a relationship. And if you don't know how to tell a good story, they ain't buying it. So if there's two people trying to sell you something, and it's a cellphone, and one guy's got a good story, and the other guy's trying to sell you a phone, you're buying it from the guy with the story. A hundred percent of the time. So it is the most underutilized talent in education.

• 29:43Lewis Howes?

  How'd you learn how to tell a great story? And how do you tell a great story?

• 29:46Speaker 01

  I think it's a little, for me, it's a little bit of, "You were born with some size." You can't teach that to play football.

• 29:53Lewis Howes?

  You were born with this.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  I was born with that gift of the gab. And it was certainly fed by the laughter of my relatives at the turkey dinner, and by the mailman who loved the questions I would ask. Right? It was fed by those things. So it's all your experience while you're trying to be who you are.

• 30:10Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  And in the end, I'm sure this is no shock to you. I'm sure everyone who sits in this chair says the same thing, which is authenticity is everything.

• 30:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure Bill Gates would still be in a garage messing around with some little piece of equipment. It wasn't the money.

• 30:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  I know Laird Hamilton really well.

• 30:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  I can guarantee you Laird would still be trying to find the biggest wave and a new piece of equipment to surf it on if there was no money involved. The commerce is second. The love for what you do and the authenticity is first. It has to be. There's no other way to do it.

• 30:43Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. And when people focus on the money first and the passion second, what happens?

• 30:48Speaker 01

  It will never work. That fire never gets lit.

• 30:50Lewis Howes?

  Or you'll struggle, or it'll be hard, or whatever, yeah.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  I tell my, my son, we're driving on the freeway. What do you see? Too many cars. Cars for days. So listen, in life, which car are you looking at? He's like, what do you mean? I go, well, are you looking way up there to that car way up there that you're trying to pass? Or are you looking right here to the car that's just right in front of you? Which car do you focus on when you're driving or when you're trying to succeed in life, which is what driving is?

• 31:20Speaker 01

  And he said, well, I'm looking at the guy up there. That's the guy I gotta beat. I gotta get to that guy. And I said, no, I'm looking at the guy right next to me. Because if I look at that guy, I literally will be white knuckled. I'll never even be able to hit the accelerator to chase that guy. There's too much going on in front of me. Just focus on what's right there. Do the easy stuff. Show up. You know what I mean? I gotta just pass one car. As soon as I get past that one, then I'm gonna pick another one off. And then I'm gonna pick the blue one off, and then the Prius, and then, right? And then pretty soon I'm gonna look back and they're all gonna be behind me. But if you focus on a thousand cars in front of you, you'll never make it. You'll be way too inside your head, full of anxiety, full of, I can't, full of the failure, right?

• 32:04Speaker 01

  But if you only focus on one, to me, it's simple.

• 32:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. You've had so much experience from a young age, so many big hits, on camera, producing, selling shows, things like that. Was there ever a time you didn't have confidence? Cause with all that experience and all that success, I just feel like it's easier to build the confidence. But was there ever a run where you're like, maybe I don't have it anymore? Like, maybe I don't got the touch anymore. I'm not booking this, or the shows aren't popping, or whatever it may be. Or have you always been confident in your vision and in your passion and your storytelling?

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Well, first, I would always tell people, just get me in a room. Just put me in a room with whoever makes the decision. That, I need to be in that room. If I get in that room, it's over.

• 32:45Lewis Howes?

  You can fire them and roll them.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  It's over. It's Tom Brady with two minutes left. It's over.

• 32:50Lewis Howes?

  Touchdown, yeah.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? He only needs a close call for someone to almost pick him off to just fire him up. So, it was always about getting in that room. But, I can't lie and say, oh, yeah, it was easy. Sure, man, I never had any doubts. Cause I'm a human being. And so, we all have doubts. We all have that moment where we can't sleep, where we're worried. But, it's the point where, does that, do you choose to let that drive you? Or do you choose to let that handicap you? And only you can decide that. I wanna be the driver. I wanna be MJ with 10 seconds on the clock. Hey, guess what? 25,000 people in the stadium, they know I'm taking the shot. 20 million people watching, they know I'm taking the shot. The guy guarding me, he knows I'm taking the shot.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  And none of you can stop me. I'm still making the shot. Those people to me, the gamers, the ones who want the ball, you can't teach that.

• 33:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  That's just something you have inside you.

• 33:46Lewis Howes?

  How do you think you had that inside of you?

• 33:48Speaker 01

  I think, probably, it's fear.

• 33:50Lewis Howes?

  How can you cultivate it if you can't teach it?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  It's fear of not making it. It's fear of not being relevant. It's fear of...

• 33:58Lewis Howes?

  You got how you felt growing up? Really?

• 33:59Speaker 01

  I always, well, who would sell Michael Jackson pins on the streets in New York if you weren't fearing something? You know what I mean? And also, it's every day I got on that bus, five days a week, two hours each way. I had to do my homework. I had to figure out where I was going. I was a kid.

• 34:13Lewis Howes?

  By yourself?

• 34:13Speaker 01

  By myself, yeah.

• 34:14Lewis Howes?

  I was a little 11, 13?

• 34:16Speaker 01

  From 14 on, I was in the city by myself.

• 34:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow. That's crazy.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  And so, a lot of things happened. Especially back then, the city was a different place in the 80s than it is now. And so, I think that hunger, is it a shock to you that the kid, the athletes that really make it? To me, it's not a color thing.

• 34:32Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  It's where they grow up. It's the only way out.

• 34:35Lewis Howes?

  It's a desire thing, yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  They've been dribbling a ball that doesn't have any air in it, cause they don't have a needle to pump their ball. Well, you gotta work harder to make the ball do stuff. Well, that makes them better. You know, it's the, is it any shock to you that the best runners ever, where they come from? They gotta run to the next village for water.

• 34:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  And it's 20 miles away. You don't think that they have an advantage? Like, I try to tell my kids all the time, you, you don't understand how bad people want what you consider normal.

• 35:04Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm. They'll never experience that in their entire life for a day, and you have it every day.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  How are you gonna compete with that?

• 35:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  You can't compete with that.

• 35:11Lewis Howes?

  Are you afraid for your, how many kids do you have?

• 35:13Speaker 01

  I have two boys.

• 35:14Lewis Howes?

  Two boys. How old are they?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, 17 and 14.

• 35:16Lewis Howes?

  Are you afraid for their future? Based on

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Very.

• 35:20Lewis Howes?

  how luxurious they've lived, or how nice of a lifestyle they've lived?

• 35:24Speaker 01

  And I have conversations with them often about, what do you love? Because if it's things, they can always be taken away. So, done. It's over. Just like, if you lose 200 pounds and it's the number on the scale that makes you happy, you're done. The weight's coming back on, 100%. And it's, it's no different than where they are. If it's things that make you happy, you'll never have them. Cause you're not getting them from me, that's for sure.

• 35:48Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Cause if someone told me, hey, I'm gonna give you a million bucks a year for life at age 20, guess what I would've done? Nothing. I wouldn't have started a business, I wouldn't have tried to change people's lives.

• 35:59Lewis Howes?

  No desire to.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  None. So, and that's unfair. That's unfair to leave any kid that. Because it's that hunger that makes you feel alive. It's making, it's walking in and making the purchase one day that does make you feel good, cause you know you earned it.

• 36:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  You know you did. Raising kids has been the, one of the easiest things I've ever done, until right now. My kid is a year away from college, and I realize he's gonna have to get on that same freeway with thousands of cars and pick them off one at a time. And did I give him the tools to do it? Cause if he can't, I didn't. And that would be, like, a great failure, right? To me, family's first in life.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Then work is after that. And I really do believe that the good guy finishes first. In my soul, to my core of who, what I stand for. I believe that good guys finish first. And I do believe that it's harder to be a good guy. But in the end, I go to sleep living that. And so every decision I make is as if my kids and my wife are standing next to me at all times.

• 37:01Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, that's good.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  So if that's the case, then, right, that the good guy finishes first, and I've instilled that in my own kids, are they going to be able to carry that forward and succeed? Because the chances of them, and I've told them this, so if they watch this or listen to this, they're not gonna, it's not gonna come as a surprise. The chances of them eclipsing the success that I've been lucky enough to have are very close to zero.

• 37:23Lewis Howes?

  The chance of them doing what you've done?

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Very close to zero.

• 37:26Lewis Howes?

  For a lot of people, yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  If how they're living now is what they consider happiness, they're done. They'll never be happy. So, you know what makes us happy is we go for a walk at sunset. We eat outside, together. You know, we're like a four-headed monster, we do everything together. We go for a bike ride. You play a game of cards. We watch a TV show under the same blanket. We play, yeah, we play golf. My younger son is a great golfer. And it's those experiences that I want them to associate with happiness. If you can make the association a thousand times with them, that that's happy, and this is nice, but it doesn't provide happiness, because it doesn't.

• 38:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Going on the private jet or doing this or being a...

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Those are fun. It is fun.

• 38:06Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  But you know, the most charitable people I know have nothing. How many times have you walked by someone who needed money, and you knew they needed it, and you didn't give it? And we certainly have enough money to have it fall out of our pockets. And how many times have you seen someone pull up that you know has nowhere near what you have, and pull five bucks out of their pocket?

• 38:24Lewis Howes?

  I've seen a lot, yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  I'm like, I'm amazed by it. I'm amazed. It's almost as if they're closer in touch with what it feels like to not have anything, to know what that person must be feeling. And we don't. We don't know what they're feeling. So it's hard for us to understand, why are they there asking for money?

• 38:41Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, how do you approach that, when you see someone?

• 38:43Speaker 01

  I find it very difficult. Especially when it's a young person who looks able-bodied and but Who could work. Right. And yet, I used the tough love method for transformation. So, some people would choose the hug. I definitely have a different way of doing it. And so, and there are times for hugs. But, when you're in desperate need of change, a hug ain't gonna do it. No, it's gonna keep enabling. Yeah. Telling someone they did a great job when you know they didn't, isn't gonna do anything. You gotta tell someone that they need more. Off-camera, to me, some of the best things happen. So, I tell the contestants, "I need you to write down three small victories every day." It's not for TV. It's for you. Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  And, a long time from now, you'll look back and these will become big things. And, the best one I ever read, a guy wrote, this is the very first day. So, he's 300-plus pounds, he's right, it's dark, his world is dark. And, we're trying to help him turn the light on. And, he wrote down, "Today I tried, even though my trainer wasn't looking." Now, for most people It's big. Right. I think a lot of people would read that and be like, "Oh, whatever." Right, right. But for him, it was huge. It stopped me in my tracks, because I realized what he was saying. What he's saying is, when no one looks, he's not a good dad. He's not a good husband. He's not a good coworker. He's not a good friend. He's not a good human being. And, for the first time in as long as he can remember, years, when no one was looking, he was giving his best.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Now, we turn that switch on in one day. At that point, I know I just have to get out of the way, because he's lit up now. He knows what to do. But, you have to help people identify that. So, to me, I had the same three points to solve every problem in your life. It's the same three things, over and over again. And, if you master them young, life's easy. What are those three? So, it's simple. Identify the problem. That's the easiest one. For the people I work with, I'm overweight. I've lost a lot of my life. I'm afraid I'm not gonna be here to live the rest of my life because of my health issues. Okay, identify the problem. Boom. Simple. Step two, make a list of what you need to do to fix it. "Oh, I need to move more, and I need to eat less."

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Right? That's obvious. You don't need me for that. Step number three is the secret. It's the one nobody gets to. It's the one in America everybody fears and really most people don't ever do. And so it's this master of brilliance that has no brilliance at all. Because it's the simplest step of all, which is step number three. Do it. Stop talking about it. Stop thinking about it. Stop telling people what you're gonna do and just friggin do it. Get up and do it. Take one step. Don't look a thousand cars ahead. Look one. Take one step. That's all you need to do. For guys that are 500 pounds, just get out of your chair. Stand up and sit down 50 times that day. Do you know how many calories that burns on a guy that size?

• 41:37Lewis Howes?

  A lot.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's day one. Day two, make another change. Day three, make another change. So just do it. We all know what our problems are. But no one fixes them because we're too busy watching the next, binge watching the next TV show and looking at our social media and telling people how great our life is when it's not. But just stop all that. Plant the flag in what you're gonna do. Tell the world. Wear a shirt. This year I lose 100 pounds. Now, why would you tell people that? Everyone says, oh, because then what if you don't do it? Guess what? If you tell the world you're gonna lose 100 pounds, you're gonna do it. Because it would be really embarrassing not to. But people that hide in that, I really want to lose 100 pounds, but I just can't. I can't do that. That's way too much. It's overwhelming. Those are the people that never do it.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Scream it from the mountaintops. Tell everyone you're gonna do it. Because you'd be surprised how many people want to help.

• 42:26Lewis Howes?

  Wow. There you go. It's a good formula.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Simple, right?

• 42:30Lewis Howes?

  It's a great formula. Yeah.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  It's not rocket science, that's for sure.

• 42:34Lewis Howes?

  Now, how do you right now, as a guy who's again, achieved so much, we were talking before off camera about, you live next to like some of the richest people and famous people. You've got great homes. You've got great properties. You've got, you know, you've made a lot of money from your TV shows, your production company, things like that. How do you stay hungry? Do you not have to anymore? Like, what gets you up out of bed every day to be passionate about life when you've created so much wealth and results and success and opportunity? You've got a huge rolodex.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Don't you feel for the athlete that gets the $200 million contract and then can't put the ball in the ocean?

• 43:12Lewis Howes?

  It's the scariest thing.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  All right, they literally cannot make the ball go through the hoop again.

• 43:16Lewis Howes?

  I remember, I remember Albert, I remember Albert Pujols, he got like a 200 or 250 million dollar contract, I think. He was with the Cardinals, St. Louis Cardinals. When I was in St. Louis, he was like a big hero in St. Louis. And then he got the big deal, I think, in Anaheim for 200 million or something like that. And then was horrible for a number of years, was playing like subpar. And it's kind of like that desire, that hunger leaves some people. Has it left you? And how do you stay hungry?

• 43:41Speaker 01

  It's very interesting. So the day you sit at that table at the law firm with 30 chairs when you're selling your company and you sign it and the phone rings and it's your banker and he says, it's arrived. And you're like, oh my God, it's out of a movie. It's totally surreal. My dad called me that day. He said, congratulations, you're now a worse businessman. I was like, way to ruin a moment, right? Like, what is he talking about? And it took me a while to realize what he was actually trying to say, which is what you're trying to say, which is, okay, that's amazing that you did that. But now what? Now you can't have the same hunger. You can't have the same drive. You can't, because it matters in a different way than it did before.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  So I think what you need to do is keep reminding yourself of what makes what you did authentic to who you are. And for me, it was always about helping people transform their lives. That's it. So as long as I stay there in that moment of transformation, then it's fine. And so, and I do like making things. And it turns out, I really don't have a lot of hobbies I'm good at.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  I really think I have none.

• 44:46Lewis Howes?

  Not good at golf.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  I mean, not as good as my kid.

• 44:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  You know, and I like it.

• 44:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  But it's something about building something and making something that gets me excited. And honestly, I always wanted to be successful. I mean, a lot of successful people will tell you like that's what drove them. They wanted to be successful. But once you're there, you have to realize like, why? And it was always about the people I worked with. It was always about knowing about their lives, when they were having kids, being supportive of lifting them up and over me versus wanting to hold everybody down. And so for me, that's the biggest driver right now is that we've all been players. You were in a real game. But I've been a player in my game. And eventually you become a coach. And so I would never make a seven footer guard a point guard.

• 45:31Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  I just wouldn't. I know how to put people in the right spots to be successful. And I get much more pleasure now out of seeing that than I ever got out of my own success. It's like, I've always loved giving the present versus receiving a present makes me super uncomfortable. I don't know how to act. I don't think I say thank you the right way. You know what I mean? Like, it's awkward for me. But I love giving the right gift. And so that gift doesn't have to be a thing, right? Sometimes that gift is helping someone get their life back. So, but you're right. It's really hard.

• 46:03Lewis Howes?

  Well, how are you doing it right now then? How are you staying?

• 46:06Speaker 01

  I took a couple of years off to try and kind of reset.

• 46:09Lewis Howes?

  You sold your production company.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Sold the company.

• 46:10Lewis Howes?

  Biggest loser was a part of this and a couple of the shows that you built. And you sold it off.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  And remember, I started working when I was 10. So I'd worked almost 40 straight years. So imagine you got out of school at 20 something years old and you start to work. I'm like a 70 year old guy, right? I was ready to be, you know, put out to pasture and learn how to play golf. And I did that for a little bit. The problem is the creative stuff, there's no off.

• 46:33Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  The water, it's still on.

• 46:35Lewis Howes?

  You can only play golf for so many days before you get bored.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think I can utilize what it's like to be a founder, starting a company on your front porch and taking it to hundreds of employees worldwide. And I can use that to help some other people do that as well. And maybe kind of figure out how to help them build their businesses to something bigger and identify what I know I had in myself in someone else. If you can identify that, then you can help water the plant and help them grow faster.

• 47:02Lewis Howes?

  What would you say is missing for you right now then?

• 47:04Speaker 01

  I think the camaraderie of having hundreds of employees around that I felt all had value. And so I really acknowledged and loved the collaborative process. But when you're just like, now I'm like a guy.

• 47:19Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  And you know.

• 47:20Lewis Howes?

  We're not doing that anymore.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Right, and it's different. And that collaborative quality of the hugging and when we'd help someone change their life or whether the right tears would fall that would help someone change, that we'd hug each other. And it brought us all close together and that family. So everything was folded in. I didn't have family over here and work over here and fun over there.

• 47:39Lewis Howes?

  It's all connected.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  It was all one. My kids did their homework in my office and my older son gave notes in edit suites when he was seven years old.

• 47:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  You know, he would write copy for challenges on some of the shows. So it was that, the interwoven part of family being there is the part that I miss the most.

• 47:57Lewis Howes?

  So if you could write your own story, which you can, for the next chapter of your life, how's the story go?

• 48:03Speaker 01

  I'd like to take one more swing at building a company that has that same type of spirit to it. And I think it's a little bit lost. I think everyone's a number and people don't even have to come into work anymore because they can work mobily and they can send their work in. I think it's a lost art, the human interaction, looking someone in the eye and I can identify how that person feels. I don't need them to tell me. And that shorthand that you have with people makes you great at what you do. Look, on paper, the Lakers a couple of years ago had a hell of a team. Stevie Nash, Dwight Howard. There was one ball and they couldn't figure out how to make that chemistry work. So chemistry is an intangible element. And when you find it and you get it and it is just right, man, you don't even want to change your socks.

• 48:47Lewis Howes?

  It's electric.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  You know, it's amazing. And you look at like, just to keep in a sports analogy, look at that Golden State. They weren't conglomerate of pieces, all pulled from teams that were amazing and put together and expected to be amazing. They started out with this great backcourt and they added piece by piece and they found chemistry. And that chemistry is an intangible and I really believe that that's done in a blink. That's not done with a resume. You know, that's not done with, oh, well, this guy's won three championships and that guy's won, let's put them together and make magic happen. It's not done that way. The best stuff comes from intangible things. It doesn't come from, this guy went to Harvard, so I'm going to stick him with the guy that went to Stanford and they're going to create something, we're going to be billionaires. It doesn't work that way.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  It's a guy that hustled and he's got this deep seated want of life that he wants to take over the world and you put him with someone, right? And the little pieces along the way and identifying throughout your life. Who are those people that you can stick by and stick with that they'll be there forever? Because you can't replace history. The guy that's represented me my entire career, he was my college roommate.

• 49:49Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, so when you start, like, I have very few people in my life, but they've been in my life forever, since I was a teenager. And I think that, to me, I've seen that guy sober, I've seen him drunk in college, I've seen him in his underwear, I've seen him happy, sad, fail, you know, succeed.

• 50:08Lewis Howes?

  Go through breakups and everything.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Yes. Girlfriends, marriage, kids. So you can't replace that history and that allows us to have two-sentence conversations where we actually speak a truth versus a whole lot of bullshit, which is what Hollywood is, trades on every day.

• 50:23Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I'm curious, you know, just shift gears a little bit with everything that's happened in the Hollywood space over the last six months.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  What's happened?

• 50:31Lewis Howes?

  With the sexual harassment to Me Too, all of that stuff. You've been, I'm sure you know half of these people who have been outed. You've probably done shows with some of these people. Maybe you live next door to some of these people, for all I know. What is just your, your take on this? We don't have to go too deep in, but I'm just curious, since it's relevant right now, what's your take on everything that's happened? And how are you handling it? Which I'm assuming, you don't have to say names, but I'm assuming you know some of these people, you have them in your phone.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 51:01Lewis Howes?

  When they reach out to you, or text to you, or email you, how do you navigate those relationships when there's so much heat and pressure on the allegations or the, the media attention that's something?

• 51:14Speaker 01

  Never been a better time to be a good dude.

• 51:16Lewis Howes?

  Good guy always wins.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Right? And you know, a lot of times it wasn't respected, it wasn't, you had to be the yeller and I was like, that's just not me, it's not who I am. Never been a better time, I think, to be that guy and to not have any fear and to not have any worry and not, right? Not have those feelings, for sure. It's a tough thing, how courageous and how brave, first time ever that people are willing to step up and they don't want anything in return but the truth. They want the truth to be out there. That's brave, man, that, right? That's, that's a powerful statement, so I admire that. It creates a lot of difficulty with people really doing due diligence on whether it's true or not. Now everyone just assumes it's all true.

• 51:55Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  That's another problem. It's such a snowball rolling downhill that we don't necessarily know. I actually have some respect for the guys that come out and say, "Yeah, that is me." I recognize those things.

• 52:08Lewis Howes?

  Owning it.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  And I'm embarrassed. That's also brave. What they did is horribly wrong. But too many people would deny it. In the end, the fish stinks from the head. And if you have the leader of the free world getting away with these things, that all of these women around the world can look at and go, "He is the leader of the free world." You can stick your finger in this to stop the water from coming out. It's coming out from somewhere. And I think when you stick too many fingers trying to make it all go away from a guy who is in control of the world, it has to explode somewhere else. And I really think that's what happened. How can a guy, in my opinion, be in the White House, the leader of the free world, saying the things that he said,

• 52:53Speaker 01

  but Billy Bush can't interview celebrities at 9:00 a.m. on a morning talk show? Those two things just don't go together. And I find that really hard to believe. And there's a lot of people that have done bad things. But where is the road to redemption? Look, for some of them, and I think you know who I'm talking about, there is no road to redemption. They're despicable human beings that belong behind bars, right? And I'm glad that that's over with. That era is gone. But there's a middle ground somewhere, too. And so now, everyone's being lumped in with the Harveys.

• 53:23Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  But they're not all Harveys.

• 53:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  And so I don't know.

• 53:26Lewis Howes?

  They made some mistakes, but they're not.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Where's the road to redemption? If you're on the chart now at all, you're done.

• 53:31Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Scary, right?

• 53:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:33Lewis Howes?

  For some of those guys, yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  It is. But thank goodness that we're in this time and place where my kids can see that it's okay to step forward and be honest and be the good person, right?

• 53:44Lewis Howes?

  And how to treat people. And how to be respectful towards women, or how to treat people with respect and not abuse people or take advantage if you have a position of power or not a position of power.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  I'm so proud to be around in this time when my kids can witness the change right before their eyes. And I don't think we've seen a change this big. But I'll also go back to this. In history... Whenever there's been moments of chaos, the greatest arts have always come out. So I see people at dinner parties, "Oh, it's the worst time ever of the history of the world's on fire." Literally and figuratively, it's just the end of the... And I don't see it that way. So remember the 60s with Vietnam and the world was on fire? We're still listening to that music every day. We still look at that art every day. From the Renaissance to... You talk about the worst times ever in history.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Some of the greatest things in the arts have come out and stayed with us forever.

• 54:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, Man's Search for Meaning is one of the most powerful books. And the guy was in concentration camps, right, during the wars, right?

• 54:45Speaker 01

  So think about the impact that those moments have in that time. It's terrible. But what comes out of it is amazing. It gives people a voice in the arts. From music to the Kanye's and that, right? To let that out.

• 54:57Lewis Howes?

  Movie to literature, yeah.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  Dance, to theater, to everything, right? It's such an amazing moment that we feel that we have this powerful voice inside us that we need to get out. And to be able to get it out in a form of storytelling, which is full circle for me, it all comes back to that, is an honor to be part of what the storytelling is going to be coming out of this that helps us kind of evolve as human beings. Otherwise, if we don't keep evolving and keep getting better, then what are we doing?

• 55:25Lewis Howes?

  Maybe that's your next show, Road to Redemption.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Could be.

• 55:28Lewis Howes?

  Transformation of...

• 55:30Speaker 01

  The stench on that one, I might want to step back from.

• 55:33Lewis Howes?

  But maybe it's just Road to Redemption in general for people who've done things or that need to come back.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  And think about what we see in the world, in social media, on television. That persona that's created, the guy with the soft touch in the interviews. Behind the scenes, not such a soft touch. You know, the guy is lovable, the... Oh, wow, he's not. I mean, there were some that have always been that way. But the duality of people and power and the way power is used, I think you're going to see something come out in the arts that's going to express that and help people to learn from it. And if that helps my kids learn how to be better human beings, then thank goodness to all the women who came out and, you know what I mean? And screamed out loud the truth.

• 56:14Lewis Howes?

  Of course, yeah. What would you say is the thing you struggle with the most? That you can improve on?

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Balance. I struggle with balance the most and I think what that means is like some days I'm an awesome dad. Like I know it.

• 56:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Some days I'm an amazing husband and some days I don't get it right. I just don't. And I think the difference between the era of where my parents were parents and ours is I can fall on the sword immediately and say, dude, I didn't, dad didn't have a good day today. And tomorrow, let's get back on the train. Is that you can fight and you can make up. And I think that showing your kids the makeup is as important as showing them how to express themselves in the fight. And so balance is everything and you know, we can say like we're in California, so you gotta eat sushi, you gotta like do yoga, like and I do all those things.

• 57:07Lewis Howes?

  Green juice.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Green juice, right. And I, I do feel that as I get older and I'm approaching kind of the back nine of my life, you know, versus the front, that I do have a different perspective looking back because I'm not looking forward as much anymore. So I try to work on that and I try to give my kids that same notion of balance, which is hard. I mean, they're studying six hours a day in high school and they're right, they're go, go, go, go, go on the treadmill of trying to succeed and get into college and all these pressures of life that they have on top of you and I wouldn't want to grow up with the social media pressures that they have. Yeah, it's really hard. It's really hard. So I think balance is the trickiest for most people.

• 57:45Lewis Howes?

  And what would you say is the greatest lesson that both your mom and dad taught you?

• 57:48Speaker 01

  From my dad, it would be loyalty. Loyalty to a fault at some times. He would protect those around him at all costs. And so, and there's incredible value to that and, and it served me really well. And to my mom, I think it would be empathy. You know, the ability to feel someone else's pain, acknowledge it and try to make them feel better about it and to be there for them. I have a twin sister who's a doctor and just watching her care for other people is incredible. You know how, how someone can feel someone else's pain and try to diagnose it and make, right? She's changing lives, she's saving lives. I'm just making a TV show.

• 58:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like we got, we have to put things in perspective. The difference is she can only handle one patient or two patients an hour. I can, on the health side of things, my TV shows.

• 58:36Lewis Howes?

  Reach millions.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Millions. So I need to help take her message and people like her, their message and help get it to the masses.

• 58:43Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What's a question you wish more people would ask you that they don't ask you?

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Oh man, you're going deep, man. It's a question people would ask me. I guess, I wish people would ask more about what's on the inside than what they see on the outside.

• 59:01Lewis Howes?

  About you?

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I'm not a real social guy. I don't go to parties. I hate parties, actually. I never in Hollywood had drinks, ever, not once. I don't watch football, sorry. I don't drink, so I don't go to bars.

• 59:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, me either.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  And I don't have those same types of social interactions that people have, so I think people, they only know what they see. They don't really wanna ask the questions of who somebody is. They don't wanna take that moment to find out. They just wanna make the judgments that they make and assume that that's the truth.

• 59:34Lewis Howes?

  Well, who are you then?

• 59:35Speaker 01

  I think I'm much more simple than people think. I have no noise in my life, and I think the most successful people I know remove the noise in their life. And what I mean by that is, we have so many things going on, and people are chasing so many different things, that if you reduce your life, all I have is work and family. And that's it. I don't have anything else. So there's not, I can't get a whole lot wrong. I'm only focused on two things. It's the people that are focused on so many other things, plus they're married and they're chasing girls and they're doing this and and they gotta see the guys, you know, gotta have the weekend, we gotta have the ski weekend, we gotta go with the guy, my college buddies, right? They're still holding on to so many different things. All of that, to me, is noise.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  And if you wanna stay married for life, which I hundred, I've been with the same woman, I've been with her longer than I haven't at this point. And you wanna have kids that succeed and have passion in their life, then just reduce everything to two things. Like, on the holidays, people, "Oh, where are you going?" I could care less where someone's going. Like, that's, it's meaningless to me. It's who are you spending it with? There, everyone's off running to Europe and running here. What about just staying home? And being with your kids and slowing things down? They're already going 100 miles an hour. All day and night until the second they put the phone down and then they put their head down. And they go to sleep. What about reducing that, just doing nothing?

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  Just staying, you know, to pack a bag, get on a plane, fly here overnight, the time change. You don't need to do all that. And I think that slowing it all down and keeping it simple is the way as a family, as a unit, to be the most successful.

• 1:01:13Lewis Howes?

  What's the thing that inspires you about your wife the most?

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  I don't know if there's a thing. And I'm sure everyone thinks that their wife is the greatest on the planet, but little secret, mine actually is.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  She can always find happiness. No matter where she is. And I don't think I can. I think I struggle a little bit with, I think too much. About the world and life and me and where we should be and how to fix things, how to make things better. I'm producing life all the time. And sometimes she just turns and does a little dance and I'm like, oh yeah. She has the ability to bring me right back to where I always need to be. Which is, oh yeah, we're like, we're only here for a little bit of time and we should probably try to have some fun. You know, and she has that incredible ability and she also takes her health and our family's health to a whole nother level, which I appreciate because it makes me try to be the best I can

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  be. And whether that's eating a plant-based, you know, diet, or whether it's going for a walk all as a family, or moving and exercising and emotional health. And so she makes that a priority for our family, so we can't help but support her in that endeavor. And then lastly, she loves every living, breathing animal on the planet.

• 1:02:30Lewis Howes?

  You were telling me about that before this, yeah.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  I mean, I've literally, I'm not exaggerating, I've come home, she's been in a paper suit, feeding sick raccoons. I've had ducks in my backyard, we have birds, we have cats. She's gone down to the beach and picked up a seagull that's injured and wrapped it in a blanket and brought her home and fed it with a dropper all night until it can fly away. I mean, like.

• 1:02:51Lewis Howes?

  She cares deeply.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Amazing, amazing. And I don't have that. So in life, if you don't have something you want, you gotta just rub up next to someone who does. Because I do believe it rubs off.

• 1:03:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. What would you say, that she would say is your greatest fault?

• 1:03:09Lewis Howes?

  Or the thing you

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  My greatest fault, I think is really straightforward is I have no patience for people that don't want to put 100% into something. Just don't do it. If you're not gonna put 100% in, just don't bother. But don't half ass it. If you're gonna be a custodian, fine. But clean the floor better than anyone has cleaned the floor. That's all I wanna, that's all I care about. Just give 100% in whatever you're gonna do. I swear, I don't care what my kids do in life. I just want them to try to be the best at what it is they're trying to do. That's it. And if you give your best, like I tell, I actually, my son doesn't know this, but he will now when he watches. For Christmas, I have socks made for him. It has a sentence on the sock. So every time he puts it on, he'll remember. And it just says, "Your best is good enough." Because it is.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  If it's your best, it's good enough. I promise you.

• 1:03:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  But the question you have to ask is, is it your best? And in the end, too many people spend time looking out the window at the view. "Oh, one day, for the people I work, I'm gonna be in a bikini." Or, "I'm gonna be a millionaire." And they look at the view, "The view looks so good." Who doesn't wanna look at the view? Sitting at your... But they never look in the mirror. The mirror is where all the work is done. The mirror is where the most pain happens. But it's the greatest chance for emotional growth. So if you only wanna look at the view, guess what? You better get binoculars, cuz it's gonna keep getting further and further away. If you spend the same amount of time looking in the mirror, the next time you look at the view, it's gonna be right up against your nose.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  And so concentrate on the mirror. So if you're not where you wanna be, if you're not getting to the places you want in life, it's because you're not looking in the mirror. I'm sure of it. So if you actually stand there and look in the mirror, and not say anything, and just let thoughts come to you, the truth will come to you. It will. And if it doesn't day one, do it on day two. And if it doesn't on day two, do it on day three. And keep doing it until the truth comes. Because it will. And when it does, you'll be surprised, cuz the next time you look at the view, it will be closer.

• 1:05:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:05:13Lewis Howes?

  I'm just thinking of all the good little nuggets we had to put on on social media with these little stories. I love it. What about the transformation you still get to do?

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  You mean for other people?

• 1:05:23Lewis Howes?

  For yourself. Is there anywhere in your life where you get to create that movie for yourself, that transformation?

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  I'm always learning.

• 1:05:30Lewis Howes?

  That you, you look in the mirror and you say, you know what? There's still that thing I get to do. There's still that thing that gets me closer to the view.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Yes, it's typically my wife making me aware of something.

• 1:05:42Lewis Howes?

  Got it.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Right? And so when she makes me aware of something, do you have the capacity as a man? Because I believe men don't know how to be men anymore. Do you have the capacity as a man to go, you know what? Hey, you're right. And I'm changing that right now. Or I'm at least gonna look inside myself and try to make that change. And I think nobody knows who should run into the burning building anymore. Who's supposed to run in there? Well, you want to give women an equal right to run in the building as you give them. Sometimes, like a guy like you, you need to run in the burning building. You're the big guy, you're, right? Go in the building and save the baby. Like, we need to know, and we all need to have our roles in our relationships, in our family. We all have our role. And I'll tell you what's unspoken. I don't get in my wife's way with the thing she has power on.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  I don't tell her what doctor to take the kids to. She's in the medical space. She, you know, that's what she, she has a graduate degree. Why would I give my expertise as a TV producer there? And, and same when it comes to transformation and getting the kids motivated? Same thing. She doesn't, it's unwritten. I'm that guy who puts on the cape to do that.

• 1:06:43Lewis Howes?

  Support me in that role.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Yep, and too often.

• 1:06:46Lewis Howes?

  Don't get in my way.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Right, or, or join.

• 1:06:49Lewis Howes?

  Or join in.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  I'm fine, join in, yeah.

• 1:06:50Lewis Howes?

  Be a part of it, yeah. Don't make me wrong for it, don't say, yeah.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  That's an unspoken thing over the years you develop with someone. I think too much in this world we live in now, everybody wants to medicate and no one wants to motivate. And you can medicate, whether it's drugs, alcohol, food, uh, antidepressants. Hey, the greatest antidepressant I ever met was two shoes that lace up. That's an antidepressant. Everyone I know is on a pill for something. And we need to remove that part of it and get back to a different M-word, which is motivate. If you motivate yourself to make a change, you don't need to medicate yourself. And it's gotten too easy to say, oh, well, I'm sad. And I, I think I need this coffee from Starbucks every day that's 900 calories, because when I drink it, it makes me happy.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  No, it actually doesn't make you happy. You think that that coffee makes you happy, but it doesn't. And so you have to get to the core of why you're unhappy. To figure out why a coffee, a latte makes you happy.

• 1:07:51Lewis Howes?

  What's the key to happiness?

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  The key to happiness is doing what makes you happy. I mean, I know it sounds so ridiculous, but if art makes you happy and you're in finance, figure out a way to get into art. Don't be miserable for the next thirty years of your life being in finance. Because yeah, you might be able to go on a nicer vacation and sit in a nicer seat on Amtrak. Great, but you're unhappy. So if you were in art, and that can be anywhere, hey, I'm inside, I'm a seven foot dude. Who goes in the lane and dunks like Russell Westbrook. They only measure the size of my heart. Because if they measure me with a stick, I'm the shortest white Jewish dude on the planet.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  But I never looked at myself as little. You know, so if I really followed that passion, then I would have gotten around basketball. And been a coach, or been a ball boy, or whatever it took to be around that. You know, but for me, it was media, right? So but everyone has their thing that they love. The guys who collect baseball cards, well, then that should be your thing. And you can figure, there's commerce in everything. I've never met someone who loves something that couldn't find commerce in.

• 1:09:00Lewis Howes?

  Right, because there's other people that love the same thing. You can sell stuff too, or be a part of a club, or a group, or whatever.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  And that's what the internet's been great for. Yeah, it's been amazing.

• 1:09:08Lewis Howes?

  Man, I feel like there's so much I want to continue to ask you. We're gonna have to go do more like lunch dates and hang out. Do guys do lunch dates?

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  Yes, you rub off on people too. That kind of kindness that people see in your eyes, I think is infectious. And I think everybody wants to be around somebody that makes them feel or want to be better. And even if you think you're great, you still want to be around other people who also feel that same way.

• 1:09:31Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I've got a couple of final questions. First off, what's the big thing that you're working on that we can support you with? As a greatness community? Or where can we connect with you online as well?

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Well, I have a book called The Big Fat Truth. And it's not really a weight loss book. It's really the big fat truth on life. What does it take to succeed through the eyes of the people that I have helped? Like, the optics may be through someone who's been overweight. But we all suffer from the same things. We just can't see the pain on someone who's not 400 pounds. So The Big Fat Truth, I think, is a good place to go.

• 1:10:03Lewis Howes?

  It's on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, everywhere.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  It's everywhere. And I turned that into a TV show, which is on a new channel called Zee Living, under the same title, The Big Fat Truth. I am not a social media guy. I'm not the guy who's plugging and grabbing and doing all that. I think for me, it's more about the work. And the work speaks for itself. It's like, you can teach your kids when they're young with flashcards. A, B, C. And you can work on them hours, weeks. I have friends that, months. Or you can do what I did, which is when my kid was ready, he learned the whole alphabet in one day. So, I don't believe in trying to build one social media person. I believe that when it needs to happen, it will happen. And everyone will show up when they need to show up. And if it's to the Biggest Loser, or it's to The Big Fat Truth, or whatever I'm doing, then that's fine.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  And if they don't, that's fine, too. If the person I'm working with directly, eye to eye, face to face, changes their life, nothing else matters.

• 1:10:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. Are you online at all?

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  I am not online.

• 1:11:00Lewis Howes?

  No social media channels, anything?

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  There is stuff out there.

• 1:11:04Lewis Howes?

  You're not running it.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  But I'm not running it. My wife and I have plant-based cooking with Chrissy and JD, that we do live Facebook cooking stuff. Just because people always ask us all the time, "Well, what is plant-based? Is everything green?" They don't really understand. We put that out there, and that has some followers on it. That's a good place to find me.

• 1:11:22Lewis Howes?

  You have no Facebook page, Twitter, Instagram, nothing?

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  I have a personal Twitter that I use to look at guys like you.

• 1:11:29Lewis Howes?

  Okay, for research.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Lewis Howes?

  If you're not posting anything.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  And that's JD Roth 2323.

• 1:11:34Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  Um, but I post sometimes. When I see something that moves me, I post it.

• 1:11:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  So I will say that. But I'm not a regular.

• 1:11:42Lewis Howes?

  Gotcha.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  I'm not a regular guy. But I enjoy looking at your stuff.

• 1:11:45Lewis Howes?

  Great. That one thing a month that moves you. People need to go follow that, because it's going to be something special. So JD Roth 2323?

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:11:53Lewis Howes?

  Why? Michael Jordan?

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  I am a big Michael Jordan fan. My kids are actually named after basketball players. Cooper Jordan and Duncan James. And really, it's the belief in greatness that gets me. And so, I love that. Michael Jordan was the first guy to weightlift an hour before a game.

• 1:12:10Lewis Howes?

  It's crazy, huh?

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Who'd go weightlift and then try to shoot a basketball?

• 1:12:13Lewis Howes?

  And after a game, too.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, who does that? He took things to a different level. And sometimes it takes something to a different level, you have to go too far. To create that new paradigm, Steph Curry has to shoot from 30 feet. Right, he has to. That's how you create the new paradigm. You expect him to make those shots. And that makes everyone's level of game do what? It raises everybody.

• 1:12:34Lewis Howes?

  Elevate. Everyone's gonna start pricing that way.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  And so who can elevate in their area? Like what you're doing. What I tried to do in transformative TV. Not TV that beat up or yelled at or talked down.

• 1:12:43Lewis Howes?

  Gossip, yeah.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Right. It would change people. And I want people to elevate and make things better than what I ever did. That's the goal.

• 1:12:50Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, I love it. This is called the three truths. If this was the last day for you many years from now. You've done everything you've wanted to do. Created every show, written every book. Anything you've ever thought about doing, it happened.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  I like your crystal ball.

• 1:13:05Lewis Howes?

  Right? Because it will happen. Because you're writing your own story. But for whatever reason, it all got erased. You know, the fires came back in 70 years from now. And everything gets erased from the internet and physical copies of books. And it's all gone. Your whole family, everything that matters to you is there. It's a peaceful day. And they give you a piece of paper and a pen. They say, okay, share these three truths.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Oh, this is easy.

• 1:13:28Lewis Howes?

  That you know to be true. And this is all that you'll be remembered by.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Easy.

• 1:13:33Lewis Howes?

  That you had to share with the world. What would that be?

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  Easy.

• 1:13:36Lewis Howes?

  Go ahead.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  One. Keep your promises. That's it. Keep your promises. If you tell someone you're gonna be there at 8, show up. If you tell your kid you're gonna be at the school to listen to their poem, go. If you tell yourself you're gonna get on a treadmill and run for 60 minutes, don't get off at 59, 58. Just keep your promises. Because everyone I know can keep their promises to everyone else. Oh, I'll babysit my kid, my sister's kid, I'll go do my boss's job, I'll do their work. But they never keep their promises to themselves. Keep your promises to yourselves and you'll never go off track, for sure. The next thing is, two. The only thing in life that's not hereditary is your attitude.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  So you may have bad genetics for life, heart, cancer, whatever it is. You may, right? Mental illness. But your attitude is not hereditary. So wake up every day and have a good attitude. That's pretty easy.

• 1:14:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  You could check that box, good things are gonna happen. Right?

• 1:14:39Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  Only thing in life.

• 1:14:41Lewis Howes?

  That's great.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  That's not hereditary is your attitude. And then if you look at every obstacle as an inspiration, you can never, ever let yourself down. I never look at an obstacle and think, should I go around it? Should I go under it? Should I go to the left of it? I always look at an obstacle and say, I'm going straight through it. And that, to me, is a skill like pushups. If someone who doesn't do pushups goes down and do a pushup, they can get five. But if tomorrow, they do six, and then they do seven, it's a muscle. And that muscle needs to be flexed to be able to execute the concept. So every obstacle has got to inspire you so that when the big one comes, you have the muscle to be able to flex it. And so you can never be in a...

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Doing those three things, you could never not be successful in your life, whatever success means to you. You can never not be present in what you're doing, because you have to be. And you really can never be in a bad mood. So those are like the three... To me, they're the three easiest steps that you can do.

• 1:15:43Lewis Howes?

  Keep your promises. Wake up with a great attitude. The last one.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Come on, how you gonna do it if you can't remember?

• 1:15:50Lewis Howes?

  Share the last one.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Obstacle is an inspiration.

• 1:15:54Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you could never become a professional athlete.

• 1:15:57Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  If...

• 1:15:58Lewis Howes?

  To go around everything.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  It would be impossible.

• 1:16:01Lewis Howes?

  It's a great book called The Obstacle Is The Way by Ryan Holiday. The obstacle is the way. That's where you need to go.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  So the idea really is focus on the obstacle, not the end point. Which I like, because the journey is something I'm trying to get better at. I'm a knock a target down guy. Right, so I see a target, all I want to do is knock the target down. I don't care what gets in my way. If my legs get chopped off, I crawl. If my arms get chopped off, I roll. If my head gets chopped off, I try to blow as much air as I can to get me to the... Till I knock the... I don't worry about the limbs falling off until the target's down.

• 1:16:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I like that.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  And I feel like that's a lost art.

• 1:16:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  It's the journey to get there that's actually the thing you always appreciate.

• 1:16:42Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. Before I ask the final question, I want to acknowledge you for a moment, JD, for your incredible promise that you've made to yourself for 40 years. I can see that that has been something you continue to do for the last 40 years, your entire life, you've kept your promises.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  I try.

• 1:16:57Lewis Howes?

  And that's why you've gotten the results you've gotten. I don't think you've ever taken a shortcut, based on what I know about you. And that is so amazing to see, especially now, that you continue to do that. And that being your... One of your main things is keeping your promises. You live by that. And I'm sure you're not perfect, and your wife will tell me all about the challenges that she faces with you, but you do your best to live by your promises. And I think just that consistency, over and over, every single moment of every single day, doing that has gotten you these results in big ways. And it has built the momentum that has set you apart from so many other people that are unwilling to do that. You stand apart with a small group of people who do that. So I want to acknowledge you for that.

• 1:17:39Lewis Howes?

  I also want to acknowledge you for your ability to connect and hear people of what they're saying, and most importantly, what they're not saying, behind the words. To be able to listen to people's hearts and connect to their pain, and then be able to share those stories and help them transform. Because I think there's a lot of people who are suffering in the world, and who are afraid to share what they're really afraid of. And your ability to be present and listen and connect to people's hearts is one of the most powerful gifts that you have. So I want to acknowledge you for your constant willingness to serve humanity and help people transform.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Oh man, this is so uncomfortable for me, Louis.

• 1:18:17Lewis Howes?

  You like to give the gift, I know.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  It's so uncomfortable for me, even hearing you say the word, I'm like, oh my, it's so hard for me. I appreciate what you're saying, but it's very hard and no one should think that I get it right all the time.

• 1:18:29Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Because, yeah, I definitely don't. I make an attempt and you can't keep every promise. That's the goal. The goal is always the highest, that, right?

• 1:18:38Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. That's why I said, I'm sure you're not perfect, because I know I'm not, but I strive for greatness as well.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Right. And our imperfections are sort of what makes us who we are and that ability to love unconditionally. You know, good, bad, right? That's everything.

• 1:18:50Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, exactly. Well, I'm grateful that you allowed me to share and you received it. So I acknowledge you for all those things.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:18:57Lewis Howes?

  You're welcome. The final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  My definition of greatness would be following the belief in only doing what you're passionate about. And not settling for something because you just needed a job. And so greatness to me is not having a backup plan. And I know that's bad advice, because every parent would say, oh, well, what, you know, every good Jewish mom, oh, but what's your backup plan? Which I think not having one is greatness, is that believing that you're gonna get there, you're gonna make it happen no matter what. That's the only way you get to greatness. If you have a backup plan, chances are, you're probably gonna take it. You're gonna pull the ripcord at some point. And so greatness to me would be the ability to lean in

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  to what it is that you really love and what you really want to do and not take no for an answer until you get there.

• 1:19:48Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. My man, JD. Thank you so much, man. This was great.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  It was awesome.

• 1:19:52Lewis Howes?

  Appreciate it, brother.

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  I loved it.

• 1:19:59Lewis Howes?

  There you have it, my friends. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Again, JD Roth, such a wealth of wisdom and inspiration. And a guy who has been through so much and created so much opportunities and success for himself. But also who has impacted so many people through his message, through his work. And he constantly gives back and wants to serve others in their personal transformation. Again, share this out with your friends. The full show notes is at lewishouse.com/578. Pick up a copy of JD's book as well. We'll have it linked up over on the show notes. And you can watch the full video episode of this as well over there. We've got over 210,000 subscribers, hundreds of powerful episodes and videos over on YouTube.

• 1:20:45Lewis Howes?

  So go subscribe to our YouTube channel and get access to weekly content over there as well. And I'll leave you with this. What is the story that you are telling to the world? Are you constantly transforming, improving your life, growing into the best version of yourself? Or are you allowing your circumstances to hold you back? Are you allowing certain pain from the past to hold you back? Are you holding on to grudges? Are you holding on to resentment, to anger, to frustration? Are you allowing someone else to write your story of your life? Or are you taking ownership of your life and moving forward with powerful transformation every single day? What's the story you are writing?

• 1:21:31Lewis Howes?

  I'll tell you this. I want to be the one at the end of my life that says, I wrote my own story. I wasn't influenced or held back by anyone else's perception of me or viewpoint of me. And I didn't let them write the story for me. Don't let your parents write the story for you. Don't let your spouse write the story for you. Don't let circumstances or the media or pressure from friends write the story for you. You get to write the story. You get to be the owner of the story that you write, the experiences you have. Take one step today closer towards your dreams.

• 1:22:12Lewis Howes?

  Become the transformational story that inspires other people around you. Again, Marianne Williamson said, "It is our own thoughts that hold the key to miraculous transformation." I love you guys. Thank you so much for all of your support. And you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.