5 Questions that Will Change Your Life

Sam Parr (@TheSamParr) and Shaan Puri (@ShaanVP) answer five life changing questions. ----- Links: * Do you love MFM and want to see Sam and Shaan's smiling faces? Subscribe to our Youtube channel. * Want more insights like MFM? Check out Shaan's newsletter. * Blake Berg Tweet on 11 Powerful Questions You Can Ask Yourself Today: https://twitter.com/blakeaburge/status/1506257757401456640?s=20&t=XouFvtfvlgp06vJHiU2F4A * NYTimes 36 Questions That Lead To Love: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/style/no-37-big-wedding-or-small.html * Joe Rogan episode on plastics and endocrine disruption: https://t.co/UzMN5crrbd ----- Show Notes: (10:00) - Question #1 In what area of my life am I settling? (25:30) - Question #2 What battles do you choose? (34::40) - Question #3 What are you letting in? (40:30) - Question #4 Am I spending time with the right people? Who are the five I want to spend time with? (47:40) - Question #5 In what ways am I in my own way? ----- Past guests on My First Million include Rob Dyrdek, Hasan Minhaj, Balaji Srinivasan, Jake Paul, Dr. Andrew Huberman, Gary Vee, Lance Armstrong, Sophia Amoruso, Ariel Helwani, Ramit Sethi, Stanley Druckenmiller, Peter Diamandis, Dharmesh Shah, Brian Halligan, Marc Lore, Jason Calacanis, Andrew Wilkinson, Julian Shapiro, Kat Cole, Codie Sanchez, Nader Al-Naji, Steph Smith, Trung Phan, Nick Huber, Anthony Pompliano, Ben Askren, Ramon Van Meer, Brianne Kimmel, Andrew Gazdecki, Scott Belsky, Moiz Ali, Dan Held, Elaine Zelby, Michael Saylor, Ryan Begelman, Jack Butcher, Reed Duchscher, Tai Lopez, Harley Finkelstein, Alexa von Tobel, Noah Kagan, Nick Bare, Greg Isenberg, James Altucher, Randy Hetrick and more. ----- Additional episodes you might enjoy: • #224 Rob Dyrdek - How Tracking Every Second of His Life Took Rob Drydek from 0 to $405M in Exits • #209 Gary Vaynerchuk - Why NFTS Are the Future • #178 Balaji Srinivasan - Balaji on How to Fix the Media, Cloud Cities & Crypto #169 - How One Man Started 5, Billion Dollar Companies, Dan Gilbert's Empire, & Talking With Warren Buffett • ​​​​#218 - Why You Should Take a Think Week Like Bill Gates • Dave Portnoy vs The World, Extreme Body Monitoring, The Future of Apparel Retail, "How Much is Anthony Pompliano Worth?", and More • How Mr Beast Got 100M Views in Less Than 4 Days, The $25M Chrome Extension, and More

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• 0:00Sam Parr?

  So I haven't seen any of these questions. So it started out from a tweet where someone said, like, here's 10 questions to get to know people. Is that, is that right?

• 0:06Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, listener of the pod, and I think your friend Blake, Blake Burge, I think is his name. He had tweeted out a thing like, you know, whatever. There are many questions, but few will change your life. Here's 10 questions that will change your life. And yeah, thread goes viral. So normally, it's kind of like eye roll.

• 0:24Sam Parr?

  No, it's good. There's this thing, Ben, you'll have to look it up. Again, no research here. There's this thing I remember years ago, it was called like the New York Times, like 21 questions. And it was like, here, ask these 21 questions on a first day.

• 0:37Shaan Puri?

  To your partner, right?

• 0:38Sam Parr?

  Well, on a first date, I thought. And it was like, here's how you get intimate with people. And like, as a single 21 year old, I read that. I was like, oh, like, here's so I can hook up with girls. And I remember those questions, and they're very similar to what these guys' questions are. But it was like, when did your father make you cry? Or like, like, it was like, pretty deep questions like that. And so I'm down with these questions.

• 1:07Shaan Puri?

  So I actually read these questions, and I was like, these are actually good questions. But the way he presented it, I think, you know, no offense, this is how most people do Twitter. It's like, here's some general advice, or some general questions. What's interesting to me is not the like, the question, but it's kind of seeing somebody struggle with their, their answer to that question. So for example, he would ask a question like, and I'll give you, give you the first question, which is, which is going to come out here in a second. So Ben, read, read question number one, and I'll explain how he tweeted it, and how I think we should answer it instead.

• 1:38Sam Parr?

  Question one is, in what areas of my life am I settling?

• 1:42Shaan Puri?

  Okay, so what areas of my life am I settling? That's a powerful question. It's a good thought provoking question. Now, his, the rest of his tweet was like, you know, just enough, or just okay, is not good enough. Identify the areas of your life you're just settling. So to me, that's the part where it was like, no, no, no, Blake, I want to hear your answer. Like, you tell me, like, if you're gonna put out one of these bullshit ass threads, that's like, you know, generic, generic, generic thread, to try to get likes, I think that the next level of this like bullshit thread thing is people are gonna get a little more vulnerable. They're gonna put their actual answers in the thread rather than general advice.

• 2:16Sam Parr?

  Who's invented this, this theme I'm seeing? So like, Upworthy was like, here's 10 things, you're not gonna believe, number seven. This new one that I'm seeing on Twitter is, there's 8,000 of this thing, here's the four best.

• 2:28Shaan Puri?

  Eight billion humans on this earth, not all of them are worth following. Here's my 11 friends that are worth following.

• 2:33Sam Parr?

  Who created that? Did one of our buddies pick that or is it?

• 2:37Shaan Puri?

  I have no idea who started that, but that's the formula.

• 2:40Sam Parr?

  That is the formula. Well, Ben, all right, what's the first one? I just tried it. It's in what area of my life am I settling? It's you go first.

• 2:49Shaan Puri?

  Okay, so what areas of my life am I settling? And by the way, this is called the boys go to therapy because we got to open up a little bit. We got to, we got to see what the, with this, what the answer might be. I would say two come to mind. The first is fitness. Like, I think I got kind of comfortable with my workout routine and diet. And I was like, oh, okay, like not as fat as I was. I'm on my way to getting fit and I just kind of got okay with like, I was kind of settling for like, wow, you're much better than before. But I've been like writing that for, for like, you know, 12 months now. And now the before is the same as the current because it's like been a while, like six months of like the same.

• 3:32Shaan Puri?

  And so I just realized this recently and was like, why did I settle here? This isn't the destination. Like, I basically was on a road trip and I stopped at the gas station and then unpacked my bags instead of being like, no, no, no. This is not the destination. This is the pit stop. I gotta get to the hotel. Why is my suitcase open?

• 3:51Sam Parr?

  You made a lot of progress though, in a relatively short amount of time. You just gotta keep going.

• 3:55Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, so I would say I'm settling there. And the other one I'm settling, I think is me and my wife, like we have two little kids and there's like, you know, this feeling of like, you know what? Like, we put a lot into work. Okay, then you put, you're putting a lot into your fitness. You're putting a lot into your kids. And it's like, oh, whatever's left over at the end of the day for each other. Like, you know, we take what we can get as the scraps of like, you know, the energy, the kind of like, just the effort we put into kind of your relationship. As I think we've both kind of settled on that, which is like, it's fine. They're not, they're not leaving. They're not going anywhere. It's fine. We can, we can always do this later when the kids grow up.

• 4:32Sam Parr?

  Is she gonna listen to this?

• 4:33Shaan Puri?

  No, that's the beauty of it.

• 4:35Sam Parr?

  You should have her listen to this. I think that that's good that you you said that maybe maybe that will make her like you more.

• 4:41Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, especially because I didn't say that she is doing all this. We are doing it, which is, you know, the key. All right. What about you? What areas of your life do you think you're settling?

• 4:52Sam Parr?

  Um, my consistent diet needs to, I think I could, I like to improve that. I looked at my goals over the last 10 years. So I created a goal tracking thing 10 years ago when I was about 21 and I hit all of them, except for wanting to weigh 190 pounds. I've always struggled to lose 10 pounds. And I just, I've always wanted to do it and I've never done it. And so I've, I'm sucking at that. The second thing, career wise, I've settled a bit. So I purposely set out a period where I was like one year, the sale and plus one year, I'm going to chill. I'm just going to read, I'm going to learn and I still am not ready to like go all in on something. I'm not there yet. And so I'm kind of being a little bit lazy and I feel a little guilt around that.

• 5:35Sam Parr?

  And then I'll do a relationship one. Dude, I'm super dependent on Sarah. Like, if someone like wants me to come speak somewhere, I'll be like, Sarah, can you just like handle this? Or like, do you want me to go speak here? Like, let me know. Like, I'm only going to, and oftentimes, because I don't like to fly, I'll be like, by the way, I'm only going if you're available. Like, if you don't go, I don't want to go because I enjoy being around her. And I think I should learn to do a few things by myself a little bit more than I have been lately. I just tend to rely on her so freaking much that I need to, I need to go do stuff by myself.

• 6:07Shaan Puri?

  Give me one that's, give me one that's a settle that you, I feel like all those settles, maybe that both of us said are like settles that we're kind of cool with. What's a settle you're not cool with?

• 6:19Sam Parr?

  The weight thing. Yeah, the weight thing, I'm not cool with that. Like, I get up, like, I'm pissed off. I'm like, why can't I just be consistent? If I was just consistent for like five months with an eight, a certain amount of calories, I'd be good. I'm, I would be good. I would hit it, but it is so freaking tempting and I just give into that shit and that pisses me off. What else? I don't know. What am I, I do think that, so tell me if this is a settling thing. I create, I've created a couple of little small products in my free time and I get so excited about making like $500, $100, $1,000 a day. I get so much joy from that and I'm like, Dude, I could crush this if I want to. I can build, I can build things that are huge.

• 7:03Sam Parr?

  Why am I not, why don't I have the motivation to do this? And so I feel like, I feel soft and like I'm settling in that aspect.

• 7:11Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I think one, uh, one that I've seen in myself, and by the way, I don't think that that was, uh, I forgot what you said. You said, tell me what you think about this. Like, I agree with you. So, so I think that was good. I'm thinking more and more that the, the settling thing,

• 7:29Shaan Puri?

  the easiest way for me to pinpoint where I'm settling is when I see the contrast. When I see somebody who's not settled in this area and I'm like, oh,

• 7:39Shaan Puri?

  they, wow, they're really pushing it beyond, beyond where I am right now in this, like, and it doesn't mean I'm always gonna just chase and do what others do necessarily. But it kind of takes me seeing that for me to be like, oh, word, like that's, this isn't, uh, this isn't the kind of the spot to just settle down and, and dig my heels in. And so that's happened to me with money. Like, for example, I've seen people's lifestyle or I've seen people's, just people talking about stuff. It's like, somebody will be like, um, yeah, we, you know, we picked up this project and then we, you know, like a real estate deal. We, we picked up this, this deal and we're gonna flip it, you know, basically four months later. And, you know, we should make one and a half million on that. And I'm, I'm just sort of like, oh, okay. So like their normal,

• 8:23Shaan Puri?

  where they have settled for their normal is like, what would have been, let's say, an outstanding outcome for me. But like to them, that's the normal course of business. And then I just sort of check myself and I say, all right, do I care? And usually, I, usually I do care. Usually I do care when I notice those things, because that's why they stood out to me in the first place. And like, sometimes they don't stand out in this way that I'm saying, where I'm saying it all calmly. I'm just sort of like, usually it's like I'm jealous of them or I'm like, um, I find myself trying to come up with a reason why that's not good. And then I gotta hold, I gotta pull myself back like, oh, or maybe instead of coming up with reasons why that's not good, I should just admit that it's probably good and something that I actually want for myself. And I'm just trying to kind of like mentally in my own justification, tear their shit down a little bit

• 9:08Shaan Puri?

  to make myself feel okay. But in reality, maybe I should just say, oh, cool. They showed me something I want. And maybe I've, I've, I've actually just kind of settled here, but I could go further than I, than I currently have.

• 9:18Sam Parr?

  Do, do you journal? Do you have a history of journaling? Or goal setting at least, just like writing down like thoughts or targets that you want to achieve for different ages?

• 9:29Shaan Puri?

  Not ages, but like do you like kind of have ideas in mind, but it's not, it's not based on how old I am. Like I, I've done this.

• 9:36Sam Parr?

  No, I don't mean like in the future. What I mean is like when you're 21, were you like, all right, this year I want to accomplish this?

• 9:43Shaan Puri?

  When I was 21, I did, I said, okay, by 30, I, I, I used to say by 30, I want to have a million dollars in the bank. And I had a couple of goofy ones. It's like a million dollars in the bank. I want to have gone on Survivor and I want to like, you know, I had like two other, like, I don't even remember what they were at this point. And then like, as I got older, I was like, oh, well, that number needs to be bigger. And then the second one, time isn't really a factor and like, oh, I don't care about Forbes 30 into 30. That's actually all bullshit. And like, you know, I kind of adjusted my like goals once I like, wasn't 21 anymore.

• 10:13Sam Parr?

  Well, I think it's good to look at those things because I, I'll look at all my old journaling and writings. And I'm like, what, what energy was I putting into there? What was I bummed about? What was I excited about? And then oftentimes I do one of two things. I either try to impress my past self or try to make my future self pumped. Where I'm like, what, what, what will I be really excited that I did now in 10 years?

• 10:35Shaan Puri?

  So there's this thing, I don't know if you've heard of it. So Chris Sacca, who is, uh, you know, one of the kind of best investors of all time. He was one of the biggest investors in Twitter and Instagram and a couple of other badass companies. He, um, he had this thing, which was like, he, he read out somewhere. I think it was like on the Tim Ferriss podcast or something. He like, he read out a note that he had written to himself.

• 11:00Shaan Puri?

  A note that he'd written, written to himself when he was 20 years old. And, um, and he goes, I, I actually I just found it while we were talking here. So this is perfect. I found the transcript. I mean, do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know what I'm about to say?

• 11:12Sam Parr?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember it. I remember it. What did he say? I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember this episode.

• 11:17Shaan Puri?

  He goes, uh, he goes something about, you know, what do you want to be when you grow up? He goes, so here I am, I'm 20 years old. I'm living in Cork, Ireland. And we'd start the day drinking at 11:30, blah, blah, blah. And I'd never heard of an investment banker. I've never heard, at that point I had never heard of a venture capitalist. And so I just wrote in there, I don't know what the job is called, but I know it's going to involve a lot of talking on the phone, a lot of negotiating, a lot of yelling at people, high risk, high reward, unbelievably high stakes. And I'm going to do it part-time from the mountains, part-time from the beach. Whatever it does, whatever it is, I'm going to be done with it before I'm 40. And then he's like, you know, fast forward, he, this was, you know, just, I think he was 40, 41. And he basically

• 11:54Sam Parr?

  A billionaire.

• 11:54Shaan Puri?

  A economist, almost exactly that. Yeah. So he's like, he's now a billionaire who does exactly that. Makes deals. He didn't know what a VC was, but he became a VC, which is that deal. He has a house and trucky and, you know, another one on the beach. So he had the mountains and the beach thing. And it was like, literally it all played out and he retired from the game and he was like done with it. And he moved on with his life and he started doing other things. And so, um, so I always thought that was really cool. And I thought it was cool because it wasn't like these fucking lame goals. It was a description of his life. It was like a painting of his life. It was like a movie scene of his life. And I've noticed that the people who kind of do this, like they kind of call their shot and they manifest it. They don't really call their shot with like some, like, it doesn't feel like Excel. It feels like iMovie.

• 12:40Shaan Puri?

  It's not like a bullet point analytical thing. It's like a, a vision for how their life is going to be and what life is going to feel like. And they don't even know the words to describe it or the route to get there. They're like, but that's it. That thing at the end, that's how it's going to feel. That's what it's going to look like. That's what it's going to sound like.

• 12:55Sam Parr?

  I'm doing this tonight. I'm doing, this is good. I, iMovie, not Excel. That's a good one.

• 13:00Shaan Puri?

  If you were going to do, uh, like, let's do a kind of off the cuff shitty version, right? Again, we do it for the entertainment. Uh, we do it for the people. What do you think would go into that? What do you, what's your, what comes to mind as your version of that?

• 13:15Sam Parr?

  Um, I like physical places as opposed to internet places. So I like, uh, it would really, I want to have a, I really want to own, I want to have some type of physical land or pla- or buildings throughout the country that I can entertain all of my friends all at one time and pay for all of it.

• 13:35Shaan Puri?

  Can I propose something here?

• 13:37Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 13:37Shaan Puri?

  Can I propose, we do a two minute thing where we just jot down on our note here, what we think it is. And we'll just cut that out.

• 13:43Sam Parr?

  No, cause I'm not prepared. I'm not prepared. You, what's yours?

• 13:47Shaan Puri?

  You gotta do it.

• 13:48Sam Parr?

  What's yours?

• 13:49Shaan Puri?

  That's what I'm saying. We gotta, we gotta write it down. We gotta figure it out. Okay. So I, I think.

• 13:53Sam Parr?

  I'm not ready.

• 13:54Shaan Puri?

  All right.

• 13:56Shaan Puri?

  Look at that reaction. This tells you that's what we call resistance when the boys go to therapy. That's we've identified some resistance.

• 14:03Sam Parr?

  I had to figure this out. This is like such a hard thing to do. Next question, Ben. Fuck. Are you guys ready for the next question?

• 14:10Shaan Puri?

  Lovely. Okay, let me, let me give you my, let me give you my scene right now. Okay. My scene that I have in my head is.

• 14:17Sam Parr?

  You're already living in that.

• 14:18Shaan Puri?

  No, dude, my house is like this. I already know the house. It's this big ass house. Everything's fucking white inside. My, I'm at this, I have the same, I have a chef like I have today, but it's like on this like giant area. There's people just coming in and out of my house because we're like the fucking lobby. Like my whole life and work is so integrated that like my trainer's showing up, they're having brunch with us. And then the, you know, I'm having this meeting with this other person, but they're also going to work out with us. And the whole thing is just integrated into one big ass thing. My mom's over, my sister's over because we all live nearby because we all made it. The second thing is I take a nap midday with no guilt. So zero guilt midday nap. I already know that that is like, that is the, that implies that the rest of the shit worked itself all out.

• 15:02Shaan Puri?

  And then the last piece is, um, all I get to do is just meet interesting people and be super curious about them. And then I just either, I don't know, record or type or something like, kind of like what we're doing right now. I just take the interesting bits. I put it out there and it's in millions, it's in a million people's ears or eyes, you know, the next day because they are following it. Um, they love the content, like they love the content packages I put out. And I never meet those people. I don't have to talk to them. I'm not their consultant. I'm not their motivational speaker. I just kind of, I'm taking little bits of what I'm curious about and I'm putting it into a million people's ears every morning.

• 15:40Sam Parr?

  I think you're almost, I think you're practically there. I don't know. You gotta get the house and the fancier chef. Dude, you could take a nap now, I'm sure.

• 15:48Shaan Puri?

  See the midday nap right now with kids, that's indulgent. If you take, if you take a nap with kids, that's like, that's like giving the middle finger to your spouse. I'm gonna go take a nap right now.

• 15:59Ben?

  What uh, what's the next question?

• 16:01Shaan Puri?

  By the way, that million people's ear things, that was old. I had said that before we started this podcast. I had told Sully, he was like, what do you want to do next? When I was selling the company and we were on like a fucking 10 mile walk. We just kept walking in the middle of the night and he was like, tell me more. What are you, what are you thinking? I said, dude, I think what I want to do is I just want to have some way that I could just get my thoughts out there. And it gets in a million people's, I remember calling it ear balls. I said, it's in a million people's ear balls in the morning. I said, I just think that that would be so cool. If I could just be on people's ears while they're on their commute to work or whatever else. And that was before the podcast. Now the podcast is getting close to that.

• 16:35Ben?

  Yeah, you have that.

• 16:36Shaan Puri?

  All right.

• 16:36Ben?

  Question two.

• 16:38Shaan Puri?

  And you can go out of order, Ben. Pick, pick the questions that are interesting to you.

• 16:41Ben?

  Um, let's go with question 10. You should choose your battles wisely. What battles do I choose?

• 16:47Sam Parr?

  Oof. Dude, I choose so many petty battles. Like if I, when I'm driving and I see someone behind me and they're driving like an asshole and cutting other people off. I like go out of my way to slow down and purposely like block it. So I'm going just as fast as the fast lane. So they can't get by me. Um, also I reply.

• 17:07Shaan Puri?

  You're like, I go to their destination.

• 17:10Sam Parr?

  Yeah, dude, I'm really petty. I just, it pisses me off that someone's rude. I also uh, reply to the, just so many comments that I shouldn't reply to. Where I think someone has said something and it's just kind of ridiculous. And I reply to it and there's no reason why I should be doing that. So I pick a lot of really, really, really dumb battles. Your H O eight battle that you had, I would die on that one. That would, that would, that, this would not stand. That's what I would, I mean, I would go hard on that one. What was the question though? What, what battles do you pick that you shouldn't?

• 17:42Shaan Puri?

  It's basically, it says, choose battles wisely. What battle do I choose? So which really, which is saying, what battle do you want to be choosing? Another way of looking at it is what you said, which is what are the shitty, what battles am I stupidly choosing right now? That I need to not be choosing?

• 17:54Sam Parr?

  Dude, I choose so much small stuff. Like I just, for some reason I stay like hardcore in the dirt. Like for example, I'm out at my ranch and I've got people here like setting up my Airbnb and stuff. And like, people are like doing the stuff, but like, I just have to be here and I'm like putting shit together. Or like, fuck it, I guess I'm gonna go rent a car and go to Costco. It's like, no, we're already doing that. I choose the smallest stuff as opposed to leveraging my, my skillset. And so that is an unwise battle that I should not be picking. Instead. I need to be thinking about much bigger things and I just, I simply don't. I think having kids might change that. I think there's a world where that, where I'm praying that having a child is gonna like somehow like show me the way. Uh, you guys could tell me if I'm wrong, but dude, I pick the

• 18:38Sam Parr?

  smallest. I focus on tiny, tiny, tiny issues.

• 18:41Shaan Puri?

  That's like, uh, I have a friend who the like, they're a couple, they're like kinda going through problems right now as a, as a relationship. And then she said something, she was like, I just feel like I need to have a kid and then that's gonna like help us. And I was like, oh my God, no, that is not the answer. Like, I understand why you think that that will make this relationship better, but it is going to do the exact opposite.

• 19:05Sam Parr?

  I think it could be the answer, to be honest. Having a dog is like 2% of having a child, not in the sense of I'm taking care of it, but it's like, I've got something that I need to protect and take care of, and it makes me a little bit happier. I imagine properly having a human being where you're like, oh, I have to dedicate my, my life to this person. It's beyond me at this point. I have a feeling that is, that can be very inspiring. And that's why I think a lot of like 35 and 40 year olds who are childless and are like getting messed up on psychedelics all the time and feel depressed. I'm like, dude, just fucking pop out some babies. I bet like, you won't be asking yourself, how do I find myself? You're gonna say, how do I just like make this kid happy? And like, when you dedicate yourself to others, I think you're happier.

• 19:44Shaan Puri?

  Can I read you something cool, by the way, uh, that I just?

• 19:46Sam Parr?

  Do you disagree with that?

• 19:48Shaan Puri?

  No, I think you're right in that, in two ways. So I think you're right that having a kid definitely takes the focus off yourself. So that, that eliminates like a huge number of worries that you have, but it replaces that with new worries. If your habit is to worry, guess what? Whatever situation I put you in, you're gonna find something to worry about.

• 20:04Sam Parr?

  It's just better to worry about other people, though. It's, it's more rewarding.

• 20:07Shaan Puri?

  It is an improvement. It is an improvement. The other thing is that, yeah, some bullshit just gets thrown out the window because you don't have that bandwidth. You don't have that extra time to think about stuff and do stuff and make that trip to Costco because it's just off the table. You don't have the time. And so, so that's one thing, but it, it doesn't fundamentally change the nature of the problem, the root cause of the problem. Um, which would be, you know, like a focus on minor things because guess what? Then you're gonna start to focus on, you know, why your kid's, you know, pinky toe is a little bit crooked and why they have this little rash on their knee and like, why they're not eat, why they didn't eat all, you know, a balanced lunch and like, there's a million, there's a zillion things you could worry about with a kid and you could even justify them further because it, you're, I'm a martyr, I'm a great parent for doing so. So you gotta be careful with that. I don't think it goes away, but I do think it like changes the problem a little bit.

• 20:52Sam Parr?

  So what's yours?

• 20:52Shaan Puri?

  Um, okay, I'll answer the question. I'm gonna read you this thing. So the battles, um, the battles I should pick, I should pick. The battles I want to choose are, um, health. So being in the best health that I can be and having a healthy lifestyle for me and the people around me.

• 21:13Sam Parr?

  Is your wife healthy? Cause does she eat healthy?

• 21:16Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, she, she, uh, she's in and out. She, she can be, when she's on it, she's super clean. She doesn't have the problem I have of discipline. Like, once she flips the switch, she'll just never eat bad again until she flips the switch off. Uh, and then she'll eat Oreos all day. And so it's like, you know, one or the other. Um, and so, yeah, but, and same thing with working out. She's like hardcore intense about that and hardcore intense about her diet. Um, and like, she doesn't waver at all. So, uh, but it's just a matter of what, what mood she's in. Um, like, and the mood is like, a year long mood, not like a daily, daily fluctuation. So I think health is the first one because I've seen that once your health goes a little sideways,

• 21:56Shaan Puri?

  nothing else actually matters. None of the other battles have like any relevance anymore. Uh, I think the second one is like,

• 22:06Shaan Puri?

  probably the, probably the second battle to choose is like, uh,

• 22:12Shaan Puri?

  I don't know, probably something around parenting, but I don't even know how to phrase it. Like, I don't know, being like not constantly, um, trying to like rush through parenting, parenting and like getting the job done. Uh, that's probably the second one is like the battle of enjoying being patient with my kids. Uh, and then the last one is probably like, I do too many projects. I have so many fucking projects at once and they're all good projects, but they're probably collectively together, a bad number of projects. And so that's probably the worst one.

• 22:43Sam Parr?

  I know I always say it, but how many people criticize you about that?

• 22:47Shaan Puri?

  Uh, I don't know if my friends and people who actually care about me, like, I don't know. The people who know me and care about me.

• 22:51Sam Parr?

  They do, they do.

• 22:52Shaan Puri?

  And the people who don't are like, oh, that's cool. You do so many things. And my friends are like, that's not cool. All these things could be cool, but you gotta do them. You gotta do them right. And if you're not gonna do them, you gotta figure out how to like, hire somebody who's gonna do that thing for you.

• 23:05Sam Parr?

  Dude, I would, if I was you, I would only do three things. I would do the podcast, because that's not that hard. And it kind of drives the other thing. I would do Milk Road and I would do Investing.

• 23:15Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, the problem is I'm too deep in on e-commerce. And so I gotta like, either hire my way out or sell this thing, or I don't know what. I don't know what the other option is.

• 23:22Sam Parr?

  You gotta sell it. I think you sell it or something. I think that everyone talks about hiring someone to run shit. You're still like involved somehow. Like, you're not actually, I think that that's actually really hard to do.

• 23:34Shaan Puri?

  I don't know. When you did it for the hustle, you were pretty good about it, right?

• 23:36Sam Parr?

  Yeah, but I thought about it all. I mean, I still felt like I was working there. But yeah, I didn't do other projects though.

• 23:43Shaan Puri?

  I want to read something to you real quick. There's a thing from Naval that's, I don't know. You said something that reminded me of this. It's a little, I have a Slack channel called Wisdom and this is in there. So he goes, uh, he says, "The only true test of intelligence is if you get what you want out of life." It's the only true test of intelligence is if you're getting what you want out of life. He goes, "There's two parts to this. One is, are you able to hack reality to get what you want? And the more important one was, were you smart enough to figure out what you should want in the first place?"

• 24:11Sam Parr?

  That's the hard part.

• 24:12Shaan Puri?

  That's the hard part. Exactly. And like, you know, you read this and you nod. And then it's like, have I been smart enough to figure this out in the first place? What do I even want? And then do I, do I, like, both you and I, we have developed the skills of hacking reality. But we get a little loose on remembering what, what we actually want and what doesn't matter, what we don't care about. And like remembering which game to actually play.

• 24:34Sam Parr?

  Yeah, bending realities, in my opinion, the easy part. Want, knowing what you want is the way, way harder. I don't know.

• 24:43Shaan Puri?

  One other part, one other part that I really liked, he goes, "You live in a society which has a bunch of people in it. So that will train you to play the, the bunch of people game, the multiplayer game. But only an individual, only as an individual, do you get to stumble on the hidden game, the single player game. And that is the real game." And he goes, He says a couple of things. He goes, um, he goes, uh, if you had no adversity, it would be a very boring game. So remember you got to play the game. It's your game. You get to design the board, design the challenge. You get to design the victory condition and that is the creativity that is like, you know, the sort of, you get to decide the purpose of your own life and in the same way, you get to design what game you're going to play, what the rules are and what the victory condition is.

• 25:25Shaan Puri?

  And if you haven't intentionally done that, you're, uh, you know, you're not, you're not playing it. You know, you, you haven't actually started playing that game consciously yet.

• 25:33Sam Parr?

  Where did he write that?

• 25:34Shaan Puri?

  I know. He, he said this on like a Twitter spaces or something like that. This guy Zach, Zach Pograb, uh, tweeted it out. I liked it.

• 25:42Sam Parr?

  That's good.

• 25:43Shaan Puri?

  All right. Let's do another question.

• 25:44Sam Parr?

  What's another one?

• 25:46Ben?

  All right. I think this is an interesting one. Um, what are you letting in? So in other words, like, uh, he, he says, turn off the news, don't read the comments, quit interacting with negativity. Think of it as mental fitness. Like what, what things are you letting in? What noise are you letting in that you shouldn't let in?

• 26:01Sam Parr?

  Oh, that you shouldn't?

• 26:02Shaan Puri?

  I have a, yeah. What, what are you letting through the, through the window or the door that actually she's, you know, you shouldn't be, shouldn't be getting through the.

• 26:08Sam Parr?

  What are yours?

• 26:10Shaan Puri?

  Well, I had, you had written something on the dock that I think is interesting. It was about feedback. So let's just zoom it into feedback. What was your question around feedback?

• 26:19Sam Parr?

  So I have a few ways that I go about doing this, but you could do this when building a product or when, um, just asking people about your personality, which I think you should do it. Like what do I, what do I suck? What do I rock? And what you'll notice, and it's very clear. I tweeted out, what do you like about the podcast? What do you want more of? What do you want less of? And for every person who says they want a longer podcast, there's an equal amount of people who say they want a shorter one. There are some people who say more guests. There are some people who say no guests. And that makes things really hard to, to, to figure out feedback. And so I was going to ask you, uh, how do you decide which feedback to listen to and which to ignore?

• 26:59Shaan Puri?

  So I started off like, Well, I used to, the way I used to think about this was, dude, feedback is the key. You need a feedback loop. You need to talk to your customers. You need to know your audience. And there was all these like, you know, books written about how important that stuff is. And so I became fucking Mr. Feedback. I would, you know, if I had a project idea, I'm taking the designs out to a mall and I'm stopping people and say, hey, will you give me feedback on this idea? And, you know, every coworker, I was like, hey, I would love some feedback. What do you like about me? What do you hate about me? What's good about me to work with, etc. I was fucking Mr. Feedback. And then I started to get what you, what you just described, which is information whiplash, which is, it's like information overload, but it's not just an overload. It's contradictory information. Yeah. And so then I'm like, oh shit, what to

• 27:42Shaan Puri?

  do? So then I got paralyzed. So then I went to Steve Jobs mode. Fuck feedback. People don't know what they want. Why would I ask them what they want? They don't, they don't even know what they want for breakfast. How could they tell me what they want out of this, out of this app they've never heard of? How could they tell me how to be a better boss? Blah, blah, blah. People don't know what they want. And I became Mr. Steve Jobs in the turtleneck. Then I sort of realized, well, that's not good either, right? Because now I've isolated myself from actually getting feedback. So I have no signal to go off of. And so now I've come up with a better balance, I think, between the two, which is, I seek out feedback from people who I think are going to give me relevant feedback. So I don't just ask everybody. And then the last piece is, the feedback is not the answer. It's the question.

• 28:25Shaan Puri?

  So when I hear feedback, I'm not looking for the answer to what we should do more of, what we should do less of, how I can be better, how I can be worse. I'm just looking for the feedback to just surface a couple of questions. So for example, if they, if the feedback said, you know, longer podcasts, some people will say, oh, I want longer podcasts. Some people said, I want shorter podcasts. It's just a question that comes up, which is, what do I think is the right length of the podcast? What podcasts are great when they're long? What podcasts are great when they're short? And what would be the, what would be a great short version of a podcast? So I use the feedback to ask myself a better question. And then it's my job to come to the answer. It's their job to just give me their opinion, which, which gives me a question that that can ask. And so same thing goes with products, which is, when I ask for feedback,

• 29:09Shaan Puri?

  We both like this book called The Mom Test and the central principle is I only get to ask them about their problems. They I don't get to ask them what solution they want. And so similarly, when I go ask for feedback now, I'm just looking for them to say things that's going to get me to ask a better question that will get me to to come up. Then it's my job to come up with the answer to that. That's the main principle. When in doubt, there's one final thing, which is, at the end of the day, I gotta like, trust myself and I gotta know that ultimately, if I just do the thing I think is right, over and over and over again, I will happen, I might, some people might not like it, but I will ultimately attract the people who love what I do. So that comes back to that saying my trainer gave me, which is, who are my customers? The people that

• 29:54Shaan Puri?

  love what I do. And it became that simple for me. So that's what I that's what I fall back to. So it's like, if it was like an if else statement, it's like if the if their feedback gives me a clear question and answer that I know what to do with, great, I'll make an adjustment. But if not, then I'm just gonna do what I do. And I know that that will attract the type of person who loves what I do.

• 30:14Sam Parr?

  I think that I I think you can, I always call it like Excel sheet your way to creating a big business. So I think that like, you could just say like, where's the opportunity based off of like, traffic demand? And I just hired these people and you could create wealth that way. So I and I and I don't like when people say you have to be passionate. You don't really have to, you can just excel your way to this. But what I've learned throughout the years is like, it's a lot more fun just to do things that you think is are cool. And typically, I can, that's more the feedback that I'll listen to is just like, do I think this is cool? And the second thing, when I get feedback is, I don't actually care, like you said, what they're saying.

• 30:55Sam Parr?

  I I care more about why they're saying it. And so, for example, when people say, make the podcast shorter, they're not saying make it shorter, they're saying it's not always that interesting. And and so the because if something's, you know, really long, it doesn't matter as long as it's badass. Or if I did a made a three hour movie about Sean, your Sean's gonna watch it. And so it's really not about listening to the actual feedback, but why do I think they're saying it? So that's what I listen to.

• 31:26Ben?

  All right. This one, you guys get to talk about some other people. This one is, am I surrounding myself with the right people? Who are the five I want to spend time with?

• 31:35Shaan Puri?

  Ooh.

• 31:37Sam Parr?

  Powerful question. That is a powerful question.

• 31:40Shaan Puri?

  So let's just, we'll make it, I think it's a heavy question. So let's make it light. So tell me right now, who are the five, if you just said, I spend my time the most with these five people, who are the five people you currently just spend the most time with?

• 31:51Sam Parr?

  Wife.

• 31:52Shaan Puri?

  Sarah, probably number one.

• 31:53Sam Parr?

  Wife, Sarah, Neville Madora, my best friend and lives next, next door to me. Ramon, who you, a lot of people know, Ramon Van Meere, and then Jack Smith.

• 32:04Shaan Puri?

  That's four. You got one more?

• 32:05Sam Parr?

  I wouldn't put anyone else in those categories. No, that's it.

• 32:08Shaan Puri?

  Your dog?

• 32:08Sam Parr?

  Well, you know, I, like you guys, kind of like, that's pretty in depth. But I would say that that's, I would edit there.

• 32:16Shaan Puri?

  And all right. So then let's, let's, let's just add one more. Who's somebody you wish was in that five that is, that you're not spending as much time as you, like in an ideal world, you would be?

• 32:27Sam Parr?

  Uh, Steph Smith. I would add Steph Smith.

• 32:30Shaan Puri?

  Whoa.

• 32:31Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 32:32Shaan Puri?

  Nice.

• 32:33Sam Parr?

  I think Steph Smith is, is amazing. Just like what?

• 32:38Shaan Puri?

  I was like, just like our podcast listeners. They also want more Steph Smith. So.

• 32:42Sam Parr?

  Every time I talk to her, I like, damn, she's brilliant. She's a very special person. So maybe her, anyone else like, uh, I, sometimes I do wish like, I had like some baller, baller, baller friends. A lot of my friends are like, pretty great, but like fucking hanging out with like a Russian oligarch, just to see how like some of these crazy people think, who are like extreme. I would like, I like extreme people. So even though I may think they're a bad person, I would like to hang out with some of these extreme people who are just on extreme ends of success. Or it could even be an athlete. Like what's it like to hang out with like the person who holds the world record in the marathon? So it would be nice to, to be around more extreme people.

• 33:25Shaan Puri?

  That's a, that's a really good actually twist to this, which is, I think a lot of people have heard this idea of you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with, and that's true. But there's two other groups of people that I think really matter. One is like the equivalent of a bender. It's like, you don't want to go on a bender every day or every weekend, but like. Twice a year, a bender is a lot of fun. And if you don't do a bender twice a year, if you're not really having one amazing party, or you know, just an all nighter, or some kind of experience that's like a little out there, you're kind of relieving a little bit of life on the table. And, um, and so there's some people that are amazing in that capacity that you just, you would never want in your, uh, your everyday, but they're amazing twice a year, uh, twice a year hangs with. Uh, and I think there's

• 34:10Shaan Puri?

  some people that are like that. The other one is, who have you just not even encountered yet? Like, who's just outside of your bubble that it's like, you don't even know what you don't know yet, because you just don't hang out with anybody like that. And so you, you have zero exposure and therefore, you know, it's just like, it's not part of your worldview. It's not part of your mental model yet. So I think that's another like, two categories. Who are the five or those, those two new categories?

• 34:36Sam Parr?

  Do the five and then the other.

• 34:38Shaan Puri?

  All right. So my five would be Sonia, my wife and my kids. I'll just put it, put it all together. Um, uh, my mom is the next one. Uh, so I spend, my mom comes over one week out of every month. She stays with us. Um, uh, Ben, who's kind of like my, my right hand man, my, my business partner across Milk Road, across in the fund. He helps with the podcast. He does a bunch of things. So I talked to Ben hours a day. Um, Andre, who I don't think you've met Andre, right?

• 35:08Sam Parr?

  No.

• 35:08Shaan Puri?

  No. Andre's like, kind of like the new Ben. He's like the next Ben. Um, so he's a, he's a new guy in the fold on that level. And Andre's kind of amazing because Andre's got this story, um, that he had some illness. He had something, he caught some bug or got some infection that like, he gave him like, kind of like chronic fatigue syndrome or something like that. Like he basically like couldn't get out of bed for like, I don't know, like two years or something like that. Like he was in a wheelchair at one point and nobody, nobody knew what it was. And it was just like, and then he kind of like recovered from it, but it was like this multi-year thing. And so this motherfucker is the most like grateful person you'll ever meet because he's like, dude, I walked today. And I'm like, you know, like it doesn't take much for Andre to be like high on life. And

• 35:52Shaan Puri?

  because Andre's around me all the time, I'm, I get that secondary high, you know, the contact high off of Andre. And like, you know, cause he, he kind of like was just battling and got out of it. And so now he's like, every day he like, You could tell he's just savoring every day like as if you you haven't eaten in like two weeks and you're having your first meal. That's how Andre is like. And so I love that about Andre.

• 36:15Sam Parr?

  And who are the other two?

• 36:17Shaan Puri?

  Uh, the other one is Suli, uh, who's our mutual buddy. Um, and I don't hang out with him that much because he moved, but he's a partner in one of my businesses. And so I talked to him, you know, because that, but the one downside is now that he's like an official business partner, we don't really just like talk to shoot the shit anymore. It's like we kind of anytime I'm talking to him, I'm sort of talking to him always as he's as if he's my investor or business partner instead of just catching up, you know? So I guess that's probably the downside. And then, so those are the, those are the five that I'm currently hanging out with the most. I would put you next as we hang out, you know, two, three hours a week doing this. So that's more than most people. And then the one I wish I hung out with more was Ramon, because Ramon is like the best human on earth. So, you know,

• 37:00Shaan Puri?

  the more Ramon in my life, the better human I would be just, you know, by default.

• 37:03Sam Parr?

  I completely agree. And he teaches me a lot. He, uh, he's a very thoughtful person. I learned a lot from him.

• 37:10Shaan Puri?

  And then the, the category that I was saying, the people I'd have no exposure to is like, I basically have no exposure anymore to people that are in high school and college, which is like actually pretty important as an investor and like, you know, person of the world to know, like, what it's like, oh, I forgot, I used to think about these stupid things and they were the most important things in my life. Or like, oh, wow, you know, we didn't have phones, so we couldn't do these things, you know, that they're doing now in high school or college. So I have like zero exposure to that. Um, you know, like people in third world countries, like, you know, when I went down to Mexico, I was like, oh, wow. Like, I kind of forgot, like, just how simple and like different life is for most people on earth. And like, you know, I used to live in Indonesia and China and stuff like that. So like, I definitely was in it every day, but now, you know, I'm just sitting in the

• 37:55Shaan Puri?

  burbs in California. So it's easy to forget that. So I think I have a lot, like, my bubble is pretty tight right now. And I think I should pop that intentionally once in a while.

• 38:03Sam Parr?

  Do you want to do one more question, Ben?

• 38:05Ben?

  Yeah, we're doing five question, five questions. Seems like a nice, uh, Round number.

• 38:10Shaan Puri?

  And you bet you can remix it because some of these are sort of the same. So you could just ask a different question. You're a good question. Ask her in general.

• 38:17Ben?

  I've been thinking about one of these. So let's go with this one. In what ways am I in my own way?

• 38:22Sam Parr?

  Oh, I can say that one easy. I lose my temper and follow my, I get very emotional where I'm like, no, fuck this. This is wrong. We have to do it this way. And I have lost a lot of money for doing that for like, let's just say like it's an employee who I think like has maybe underperformed.

• 38:50Sam Parr?

  Even though they talk like they're hot shit, I would just fire them as opposed to like, well, we could definitely salvage this. Like there's lots of ways to salvage things and make things better. It's just a net positive. But more often than not be like, well, no, I just, I'm out. I don't want to deal with the headache. I'm over it. Or, and that is a very emotional decision. I make so many emotional decisions. Oftentimes it's sometimes it's ego. Oftentimes it's temper or, but mostly if it's like, oh, I think this person is trying to get one over them on me. Like fuck them. I want to crush them. No, I'm not doing, you know what I mean? I make a ton. Yes. I make a ton of emotional decisions as opposed to practical decisions.

• 39:29Shaan Puri?

  That's interesting. All right. I got two. I have one that's real, but.

• 39:33Sam Parr?

  But is that true? Have you seen that with me?

• 39:36Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, for sure. You've been mad at me sometimes and I'm like, because you think I'm trying to like get one over on you. And I'm like, dude, I'm really not. And then once you realize I'm not like your whole perspective changed right away. And I was like, oh, that's what you thought? Like, oh, I had no idea. Cause I wouldn't like, it's so different than the way I think. So I didn't, I just never, I couldn't understand it. Basically it's not.

• 39:55Sam Parr?

  Like we can give a real example. I got mad at you for being late and I'm like, in my head, I'm like, he doesn't care. He doesn't care about this. He thinks he's better. And it was reality was like, no, dude, my baby was sick or like, you know, I like, she was in the bath and it took forever to get her out. And that's like a legitimately good excuse.

• 40:14Shaan Puri?

  Even a bad excuse, which was just like, dude, I just, I literally, like, I was sitting here. I just lost track of time. I'm not doing anything. I'm not more important. I'm not like a diva. I'm not trying to do that. Like, I feel horrible every time I do. Like, I, sometimes I literally don't even have a good excuse. But, but even that was fine with you. It was just like, as long as you don't know, I was sort of like actively doing it, it didn't bother you. You know what I mean?

• 40:39Sam Parr?

  No, it doesn't bother me. Or another thing that I do all the time, and I think everyone should learn from me, and I'm working hard at it, and I've made this mistake, is replying really quickly to text-based messages. So whether that's an email, anything where it's like, dude, it's okay if you sit on this for an hour, or even a day, or even five days. Sometimes I'll get shit, like a text or an email, and I'm like, oh, no, F that. And I quickly reply, and I'm like, oh, I should have just sat on that for like, three hours. What was I thinking?

• 41:11Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I'm, that's actually a great one. That's a great answer for me, too. I'm massively disorganized, which affects everything. So it's like, replying, like, there are so many emails and text messages that, like, people are either, like, offering me something, they're trying to help me, and I'm just not replying, and people take it very personally. As, you know, maybe I would, too, if I felt like I was getting blown off by this person, or I'll just miss a deal that, like, is just like a clear win for me, because I just don't reply. I forget to reply. I don't see it.

• 41:43Sam Parr?

  I would say fuck them. You know, I actually don't think you should. I, I've been struggling with that, too. I had, and lately, I'm just like, I'm just not gonna feel bad about replying to these people. Like, and this is the most douchey, but listen, here's the most douchiest thing I could say, but just subtract this by like, a lot, and that's the reality. Imagine you're Justin Timberlake, and people like, are always presenting you with stuff. You're just like, dude, I don't care. I'm gonna do what I want to do. Of course, we are not that big a deal, but like, a much, much smaller version, where there's like, lots of opportunities, and I'm just like, I'm just gonna go door all them. I don't expect JT to reply to a DM, do I?

• 42:19Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, that's true, but I'm talking about like, people who I'm doing business with them, or they're my friends, or something like that. Like, those are people I do intend to be replying to, or I've asked them for something, and then they give it to me, and I forget to do something with it.

• 42:29Sam Parr?

  But what do you think, Joe?

• 42:30Shaan Puri?

  Some laziness there, like, on my desk right now.

• 42:33Sam Parr?

  Imagine, imagine you're Joe Rogan. How much is that?

• 42:36Shaan Puri?

  I don't want to show the check on on screen, but this is a $13,000 check that's just been sitting here for like six months and then it expired. And so now I just had to go like get a new check and then I got the, this is the new check after the other one expired and I still haven't deposited this one. Another month has gone by like, that's how shitty I am. And it's just sitting here because I'm just disoriented for no reason. Or the same thing with like my company's book. So here's the bad way it plays out, which is I don't like, I'm never hired a bookkeeper. And so I'm like, oh yeah, like, I don't know, like, aren't the transactions just like on the credit card?

• 43:07Sam Parr?

  No, they gotta ask you.

• 43:09Shaan Puri?

  At the end of the year, I'll just, I'll just cram for my taxes final and just figure this out. And so now I'm like, learning, oh, how do people do this? Oh, they hire bookkeepers and then they like, okay, gotcha. So like, there were just things that are just messy in my world. That's me getting in my own way. You know, it cost me a lot of money to, to have messy books or not reply to certain, certain emails. So I think that's me getting in my own way. The other one was just staying up late, which is again, this is so boring cliche. I'm most embarrassed to even say it on the podcast.

• 43:40Sam Parr?

  Cause how late do you stay up?

• 43:42Shaan Puri?

  Nobody gives a fuck. Like on average, I was staying up till two or three in the morning and then I'd wake up at nine and I just started like last week, I was just like, fuck it, I'm gonna sleep early and it solved like five of my biggest problems. It's like my diet cleaned up because I'd no longer late night snack or eat like junk, which is all I would do, right? If I had dinner at seven and now it's 1:00 AM and I'm hungry, like, guess what? I'm not eating broccoli and chicken at that time.

• 44:09Sam Parr?

  Nothing good happens after midnight. It could be eating or it could be fighting.

• 44:14Shaan Puri?

  Exactly. It's like my sleep was shitty. My work was shitty. I was editing the milk road at night. Now I just, I sleep at like 10:30 or 11:00. I wake up at six thirty or seven in the morning. I write the milk road and it's, or edit the milk road and it's done. But, and like, by the time the kids wake up, like I've already like finished my workday almost. And so I just cleaned that up and it cleaned up like five other things. But again, so fucking cliche to say sleeping early that I bleeped this whole thing out. Make it mysterious instead.

• 44:41Sam Parr?

  Do you remember how regimented Rob Dyrdek was about tracking his time and like waking up at 6:00 AM or 5:00 AM or whatever he did? I actually like, like I, if that's what makes him happy, do it. And I also respect how crazy he is about that. I think I like extreme people. Part of me was like, oh, but that's like, you don't need to do that. But then the other part is like, that would be kind of cool to do for like two or three weeks. Just to see what would happen. This, what would happen if you do get up at 6 a.m. and you are like, you have a very strict schedule. I actually do think that that sounds kind of fun to try it once in a while.

• 45:15Shaan Puri?

  What time do you sleep and wake up typically?

• 45:18Sam Parr?

  Last night I couldn't go to bed. I went to bed at one or two and I got out of bed at seven. I usually always get out of bed at seven.

• 45:26Shaan Puri?

  Are you like super regimented with your schedule?

• 45:28Sam Parr?

  I'm not productive though, usually. I'm not productive until about nine or 10.

• 45:33Ben?

  My, uh, yeah. So my baby wakes up at six in the morning usually. So that's when I'm up. And, um, I try and go to bed around like 10, 10:30 and then once or twice a month, I'll go to bed at like 3 a.m. Cause I need to get something done.

• 45:47Sam Parr?

  That's why you go to bed at 3 a.m.?

• 45:49Ben?

  I, I.

• 45:51Sam Parr?

  You're not like going out and doing shit. Wait, do you, do you drink? Do you drink or do drugs?

• 45:54Ben?

  No. Well, it's usually like I.

• 45:57Sam Parr?

  God, this is the lamest trio ever.

• 46:00Ben?

  When I, when I do how to take over the world episodes, I usually do a bunch of it in one sitting that I'll do from like nine P.M. To like three or four a.m. I'll do that twice a month.

• 46:10Shaan Puri?

  Sean, do you? So let me recap these five questions.

• 46:12Sam Parr?

  Drink or anything?

• 46:13Shaan Puri?

  Uh, I drink if like the occasion calls for it, but not with any regularity. No.

• 46:17Sam Parr?

  But do you get drunk?

• 46:18Shaan Puri?

  I, I used to, but no, like last five years I have not been getting drunk.

• 46:23Sam Parr?

  And do you do any drugs?

• 46:24Shaan Puri?

  No.

• 46:25Sam Parr?

  God, that's crazy. What a bunch of prudes.

• 46:27Shaan Puri?

  Dude, I just drink green smoothies, bro. I, I don't even drink coffee.

• 46:31Sam Parr?

  We are so lame. All right, go ahead.

• 46:33Shaan Puri?

  All right. I'm going to recap the five questions. So the five questions were in what areas of my life am I settling right now? The next one was, um, am I surround? Oh no, that's not it. Oh yeah. Choose your battles wisely. What battles am I choosing right now? And what, what do I want to choose? So what areas of my life am I settling? Choose your battles wisely. What battles do you want to choose? Number three, what am I letting in that I need to shut out? That's noise and information and opinions from the outside world. And then am I surrounding myself with the right people who are the five people I want to spend the most time with? And what was the fifth one? Did we do five?

• 47:09Ben?

  Yeah. Question five was in what ways am I in my own way?

• 47:12Shaan Puri?

  Oh yeah. In what ways am I in my own way? What are the things you're doing that gets in your own way?

• 47:18Shaan Puri?

  Those are the five. Ben, which one of those questions, when we said them, did you go off on a tangent? Think it for yourself, what your answer is? Which one shook you? One of these questions shook you?

• 47:27Ben?

  I, the first question shook me. In what areas in my life am I settling? That, okay, so, okay, you guys are looking at me. I thought, maybe I'd get away with not actually giving you the answer, because like, that's like, that's one that penetrates to your soul, but you both are just like, you're gonna answer right now. And like, for you, both of you talked about like, health and fitness stuff. And one area in which I settle a lot in my life is, like, I get super concerned about environmental pollutants, especially like plastics and microplastics and like, stuff like that. And I always feel like a psychopath when I talk about it, because everyone else is like, what, what, like plastics? And I feel crazy, because I'm like, no, actually, like,

• 48:10Ben?

  this isn't a conspiracy theory, like, the research is out there, that like, all these microplastics are like crashing our testosterone levels and like disrupting our endocrine systems and stuff, like, I'm not crazy, but the fact that everyone else is like, eh, whatever, makes me feel even crazier. And so a lot of times-

• 48:26Sam Parr?

  That's a weird obsession.

• 48:27Ben?

  I just like, settle, I compromise, and I'm like, look at my baby, like, putting this plastic toy in her mouth, and like, a part of me dies, and I'm just like, whatever, I settle, I'm not gonna fight this fight right now. But it is something that-

• 48:40Sam Parr?

  Do you have plastic Tupperware?

• 48:42Ben?

  We have plastic Tupperware that I wish we would just like, throw away.

• 48:45Sam Parr?

  So just do it.

• 48:46Shaan Puri?

  Dude, that is not at all where I thought you were going with that answer, when you first said it, because you were like, so, it was like weighing so heavy on your heart, and that's what it was.

• 48:53Ben?

  It matters a lot to me, Sean.

• 48:54Shaan Puri?

  Most fucking random answer.

• 48:57Sam Parr?

  Our, is, is, is- Is rubber, is like a, like a, what they call like a binky, or the pacifier thing? The pacifier, what, what is that rubber? I don't even know what that is. Is that plastic?

• 49:08Ben?

  Yeah, so most of the time, no, they won't do plastic in pacifiers, so they'll either do silicone, which is better, or they'll do rubber, yeah, which is also better.

• 49:17Sam Parr?

  And rubber is okay, right?

• 49:19Ben?

  Silicone, I like, have my doubts about, but it does not have like, the same proven track record of disrupting your endocrine systems, the way plastics do.

• 49:29Sam Parr?

  Do you, do you reuse water bottles?

• 49:32Ben?

  No. In fact, I try not to use disposable water bottles, because a lot of times they leach.

• 49:37Shaan Puri?

  What do I go watch or read that's going to scare the shit out of me?

• 49:41Ben?

  There's a Joe Rogan episode that I'll link up in the show notes where he talks with, she's a Harvard researcher who does a bunch of this stuff and she's really good. And it will, it will scare you a lot.

• 49:54Sam Parr?

  Yeah, dude, plastics pretty bad. Then like, you don't know that, Sean? You microwave plastic, don't you?

• 50:00Shaan Puri?

  Only on this podcast. Yeah, I microwave everything and I, everything's in plastic in my house. So I'm like, oh shit. Okay. So I've heard this, but I've like never, I'd never got shook yet where I'm like, oh, take action in this. But that's, that's why I asked, what do I need to go watch? That's going to like, trigger me where I'm going to need to, I need to be like, I will go and you know, make it like dramatic change.

• 50:27Ben?

  I'll, I'll link it up, but like the short of it is basically like our testosterone levels are decreasing at 1% per year. Fertility levels are just like crashing and it's not just people who want to have children less, like people who are trying to have children are able to have them at much lower rates than in the past. To the point where it's like, and our plastic use is increasing so much that they're like, in 50 years, we're not sure that anyone is going to be able to have unassisted children anymore.

• 50:55Shaan Puri?

  But how do they know plastics caused that versus just?

• 50:59Ben?

  Uh, cause they do studies of, with rats and they're able to demonstrate it, the correlation.

• 51:07Sam Parr?

  Good answer. That was a very good answer.

• 51:09Shaan Puri?

  And what do you, what's, what's an example of something you swap out? That's like a big culprit for plastic. Like, most people are doing this, but if you swap this, that solves like, you know, 20% of the battle.

• 51:20Ben?

  Well, so the biggest thing that she said was never heat plastic. That is like, if you can do one thing, it's never heat up plastic. So like, if you have a water bottle with water in it, like yes, that will leach some plastic into your system and it's not great. But if you leave it out in the sun, it heats up to a hundred degrees, you're going to get like 10 times as much plastic. So it's, it's not eating things hot from plastic.

• 51:46Sam Parr?

  But how do you reconcile that fact with the fact that you smoke, you told me that you smoke a pack of cigarettes a day?

• 51:54Ben?

  Yeah, noted chain smoker Ben Wilson. That's what people know me for.

• 51:58Sam Parr?

  How do you do both?

• 52:00Ben?

  Well, and

• 52:01Sam Parr?

  How do you, how could you have, how do you have 24 Newport's a day? You're telling me not to microwave plastic?

• 52:08Ben?

  You know, it's just one of those mysteries, Sam. I don't know how to explain it.

• 52:11Shaan Puri?

  And how do you, can you test to see how much?

• 52:13Ben?

  I don't know. That's a good question. I would love to do it if you can. I don't know that you can.

• 52:16Sam Parr?

  I got a new business that we're gonna talk about on Monday. That's gonna address that, by the way. I was all prepared for it today.

• 52:22Ben?

  Really?

• 52:23Shaan Puri?

  Did you say that? What is it?

• 52:25Sam Parr?

  It's called Float. Uh, did you see it in the doc? It's called float dot. What is it? What's the URL? Is it, is it called Float, Ben? Where's my fucking read? It's called, um.

• 52:36Ben?

  No, it's called Fount.

• 52:38Sam Parr?

  Uh, Fount, Fount, sorry. Fount dot bio, Fount. It's basically a $5,000 a month concierge service where they test your blood and tell you all about your body. It's very expensive, but sounds incredibly cool.

• 52:51Shaan Puri?

  For $5,000 a month, you better be touching my body.

• 52:54Sam Parr?

  Well, we'll see. Maybe for five, maybe it'll make women to actually want to touch your body. Maybe that's, maybe we'll do one better.

• 53:05Shaan Puri?

  We're getting tested over here? Five grand a month? What? Five grand a month? That's such an absurd number. You're doing this?

• 53:10Sam Parr?

  No, I'm not doing it, but I think it's closed to beta. Uh, five grand a month. Would I do it? I would sign up for three months for sure. I think you could do it in three month increments. I, for $15,000? Yeah, I would try that. Dude, I had a concierge doctor at one time for like a year when I was really sick and it was 25 grand for a year and it was mostly amazing. Also, I understand why rich people and how rich people can get access to so many drugs. Cause like, if I wanted to, I could just like text the doctor and be like, hey, uh, can you refill this, uh, the Xanax for me? Or like, hey, I need some more oxy. Like, is like, and you're paying them so much money that it seems like they're willing to do that. It, it is kind of crazy. This took a turn.

• 53:52Ben?

  All right. Can I, do we have, we're, we're way over time. Do I have time to ask you guys one more question?

• 53:56Sam Parr?

  As long as it's five minutes or less.

• 53:57Ben?

  Okay, I think you can be five minutes or less. I'm just curious about this. I don't know why this, I thought of this as we were asking the five questions, but if you were to like simulate your life a thousand times.

• 54:09Ben?

  What do you think the ceiling is and what do you think the floor is? In other words, like, are there a few little things if they broke in the wrong way? Like Sam Parr is working at a McDonald's in Missouri right now? Or like a few breaks where if things had broken the wrong way, you would be like a worth a hundred billion dollars, one of the richest men in the world? Like, what do you think your floor is? What do you think your ceiling is? And do you think you ended up about what your average is?

• 54:36Sam Parr?

  I think in my case, I could tell you, I think my floor is-

• 54:38Shaan Puri?

  Let's set the ground rules. The ground rules are same genetics and same like fam- not like I'm born in a different country.

• 54:44Ben?

  Yeah, it's just like a few little random variables get changed. You make a few different decisions as you go through life, but same family, same situation, same person.

• 54:53Sam Parr?

  I think I was not far from being like homeless, alcoholic, drug addict. Like, I think that was actually potentially in the cards or just like in jail because I would con people and steal. I think a lot of people honestly could say that, though. Like, if they like, if they like, got it, if you ever like do certain drugs, like, oh, man, like, the, it's actually, I could see myself living on the streets.

• 55:16Sam Parr?

  The best of, like, the limit, um, uh, I think like a really attainable thing is I could have not sold my company. And I think it could have been worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And I could have been worth many hundreds of millions of dollars by the time I was 50. I think that could have done that. I think I could have pulled that off if I was willing to put it in, put the work in.

• 55:38Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, but you'll probably end up there now anyways. You're 30 now, that's 20 more years.

• 55:43Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 55:44Shaan Puri?

  Given where you're at now, it's pretty likely that you end up over a hundred million dollars.

• 55:47Sam Parr?

  It's very likely that I'll be worth-

• 55:49Shaan Puri?

  20 more years.

• 55:50Sam Parr?

  It's almost guaranteed I'll be worth nine figures at age 50. Yeah, so then, fuck it, I don't have a good answer to that.

• 55:55Shaan Puri?

  Exactly.

• 55:57Shaan Puri?

  You peaked, you got one of the good, good rolls of the dice.

• 56:02Shaan Puri?

  I don't think, I mean, obviously, there's some scenarios where, yeah, I end up, you know, in jail, drug addict, whatever. But I don't think that's like the realistic floor for me. I think the realistic floor for me is, was probably like, um-

• 56:15Sam Parr?

  Working at Twitch forever.

• 56:16Shaan Puri?

  You know, no, not even like, you know, working, uh, working as a lab assistant at fucking, you know, uh-

• 56:24Shaan Puri?

  You know Greenville University's like biology department or some shit like that. Like, you know, basically some, some job that was like, I got on some track that didn't really have a merit based system. It was a time based system. So like, you know, you basically just get rewarded for how long you've been in the game and not like how much impact you've been able to make. And, and it might've been in a very kind of like not a complete, I was very close to a complete non-business field, right? I was like about to go to med school. So, you know, I was very likely going to be in a different thing, but like, even if I hadn't done the med school path, you know, just being a engineer somewhere, being a, you

• 57:04Shaan Puri?

  know, project manager somewhere was extremely likely for me. Had I just made one or two different decisions kind of at some point. The more interesting question is like, how far off the peak am I? And I think I'm pretty far off the peak, to be honest with you. And in fact, you know, Ben, you were there when we had David Freiberg on the, on the podcast. And I told him, Sam, I was trying to butter him up. I was like, dude, so you've created not one, not two, but pretty much three billion dollar companies. If, you know, he created climate, which is a billion dollar company. He created Metromile, which is basically a billion dollar company. And he created the production boards, a billion dollar company. And I said, you've done that. And, you know, if I went back to you at age kind of 18, 19,

• 57:47Shaan Puri?

  20, you're in college. And I told you, hey, man, this is how it all shakes out. You're going to create three billion dollar companies, three separate billion dollar companies in like, in this like kind of space, science space. What would you have said? Would that have been unbelievable to you? Would you, could you have believed that? He goes, honestly, I'd probably have been disappointed. I was like, why? He, cause I think two things, like one is he wasn't really like money wasn't the like, the driving force. And then the second piece is like, I don't think he feels like he's had a big impact on the world yet.

• 58:23Shaan Puri?

  Like, okay, Metro Mile exists and okay, climate exists, but like, you know, what he's trying to do now with like Canada and other stuff like that is like, he's like trying to find it like, be like, the, the way we produce food is going to change or like the way we produce pharmaceuticals is going to change. Like that's not now the like, the type of swing he goes for, which is like, the world used to produce things in factories and farming and blah, blah, blah. And now we do it in a laboratory, blah, blah, blah. Like that. He's trying to fundamentally change the means of production. And so I think that's what he meant, but um, I was kind of blown away by that answer. And that's the type of thing when I remember I said, like, you hang out with that X factor person who like, just sort of like stuns you into a different, like what I said,

• 59:02Shaan Puri?

  when do I realize I'm settling is when a guy who's created three billion dollar company says, I probably would have been disappointed if I knew this was the, this was the outcome. It makes me think, wait, what is this guy even going? What is this guy scoreboard? If he doesn't think this is a win. And then what does that make me think about my scoreboard? How could I update my scoreboard? Not to match his, but to like, let's, let's definitely question it, right? Like let's,

• 59:24Sam Parr?

  Is he a billionaire?

• 59:25Shaan Puri?

  It the same as it's been for 10 years.

• 59:28Sam Parr?

  Is he a billionaire?

• 59:28Shaan Puri?

  I don't think he's personally a billionaire now. Probably.

• 59:31Sam Parr?

  But like, in that ballpark.

• 59:33Ben?

  I, I think he said on the podcast that he, that he hasn't hit a billion. So, I think close, but I don't think he said it.

• 59:40Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 59:40Sam Parr?

  Isn't that funny? How you can achieve just what most, every single person on earth, we consider like the top of the top of the top of the top. And you're like, that's funny.

• 59:49Shaan Puri?

  I remember once I Googled my, uh, my mentor and kind of my, my investors net worth. And I remember being like, and then I Googled a whole bunch of celebrities, like, so I think, I think at that time, like his, his kind of like my ballpark approximate, like my triangulated net worth for them was like 700, 800 million. And then I Googled like Britney Spears. It was like 25 or 50. And then I was like, great. I was like, he's like, More than 10 times richer than Britney Spears. I was like, okay, Alex Rodriguez. I remember when he signed the biggest MLB contract ever was a 10 year, $225 million contract or $250 million contract at that time. And I remember being like, oh my God, he's getting three. He already has three times A-Rod's contract. And it's just

• 1:00:32Shaan Puri?

  like, I just Googled every celebrity I could think of. More than all of them.

• 1:00:37Sam Parr?

  Did you know that you're richer than Ryan Sheckler?

• 1:00:40Shaan Puri?

  I think I literally said that. I was like, you're 15,000 Jermaine Dupri's.

• 1:00:46Sam Parr?

  Dude, he's probably even richer than Denzel Washington. This guy's amazing.

• 1:00:50Shaan Puri?

  That's what I'm saying. Oh, easily. Watch, you know, Denzel net worth.

• 1:00:54Sam Parr?

  Dude, I bet you Denzel's gotta be worth a hundred at least. Been in the game for a while.

• 1:01:00Shaan Puri?

  Piss poor 280. He's a double Denzel, you know, like, come on, man.

• 1:01:07Sam Parr?

  That's awesome. All right, I'm out.