What Are The Rarest Weapons In The World? | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 241

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  Over time, that kind of fades, and like, ooh, I want to find something new and different.

• 0:34Speaker 02

  Just like kids.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Why isn't it possible, you stupid bastard?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Can we dumb it down for just a minute?

• 0:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  You guys have fun with your autism.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Frenzy is too tight. That sounds good, but it's not.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  I can go doot, doot, doot instead of dude. It's the auto amburglers.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, you use it in your car and on burglars.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  Literally.

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• 2:29Speaker 03

  Oh, it sprayed me in the face.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  In slow motion.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  Oh, slow it down for me. Okay, zoom in. Oh, and I put pink cheeks on.

• 2:38Speaker 04

  Kawaii Eli this early in the episode?

• 2:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, as the echelon explodes in my face, like, ah, oh, Cody.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe Podcast. I was joined today by, I am joined today by Eli Double Tap, Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Brandon Herrera, and myself, Donut Operator. Thank you so much for being here.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  What's up, everyone? How y'all doing? Dude, we got Ian on finally after almost four years and a thousand messages.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  For obvious reasons, I am very excited for this episode. I'm looking forward to it.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  We've never heard of you. We haven't seen this a million times. Dude, welcome. How you doing, man?

• 3:20Speaker 04

  I'm doing well. It's fun to be out here.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  We're excited. This is gonna be the most autistic episode we have ever had. So.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Don't kid yourself. He's here for the AK-50, not us, buddy.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  Like I said, until we have a trained conductor on the podcast, this is probably gonna be the one.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  That's next week.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  I hope so, because I'm so far out of most of the world that you guys live in, that it's, it's gonna be gun nerdery or, or, I don't know, I'm just gonna sit here and have nothing to say.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  We're here for it, man. We, I think we just wanted to put our two big gun nerds together and have a fun conversation about gun things.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm up for that. I'm always up for that.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  History guns. I mean, this is, this is, this is gonna be a fun one. This is, everyone just get out the popcorn and listen to everyone nerd out, because there is a million questions. I know Brandon probably already has a fuck ton.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  I had to stop some conversations before the podcast kicked off, because we were already getting into stuff. I'm like, this is such good podcast material.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Yes, if you, if you talk about it before the cameras roll, you lose it. I've learned that.

• 4:24Speaker 03

  That's, I'm glad we didn't do lunch today, because this is one of the ones, it's gonna be a hard one. We've already nerded out before you guys got here nerding out on firearms. I was like, oh shit.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  Have you ever had it where like you're, you're recording a video and you do like this whole long spiel and then like the footage is either like no audio or something fucks up?

• 4:41Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  And you gotta redo it and you're like, fuck, I've already said it once, so I have no idea what I have covered in the second take?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  No, the problem is for me is like, once I've done it, a lot of it leaves my head. And it's like, oh, I have to go back to the beginning and go back through all of my notes and reference material. Cause

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  So.

• 5:03Speaker 03

  And you do deep dives.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  So I'm much more likely to just use it with terrible audio, or if there's any way it can be salvaged. I'll use it.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  I have a quick synopsis for the people that don't know who you are.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Okay, so I run a website and YouTube channel called ForgottenWeapons.com, which is essentially mini documentaries on interesting and unusual firearms. The ultimate goal is basically to have video content on every military firearm ever made, which is an impossible goal. But it's the, that's the guiding point.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Goddamn, are you close at this point?

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Uh, you know, the thing is, I'm never gonna run out. Yeah, they're fractal. Like, you know, oh, you should do a video on the AK. Well, okay, there's nine different countries that made them. Okay. And then each country did, well, we got the milled ones, then we got the stamped ones, then we got the 545 ones, then we got the 556 ones. And then inside each one of those branches is just another fractal set.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  But I mean, right now, you are the guy. That's crazy. I didn't even think about that. If I'm looking up a specific weapon, history about it, knowledge or anything, your videos are the first one to pop up.

• 6:17Speaker 04

  Hey, Cody, would you remind, would you mind removing that dagger from my ribs?

• 6:26Speaker 03

  What's the, the?

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Oh, with the PSG one or the G11?

• 6:30Speaker 03

  The G11 is a good example where it's like those, oh, I just want to see the internals really quick. Cause you have that completely different side of content, which you both are crushing. And you get to see the difference on how you present it.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  I feel like you're the only one who's really gotten hands on the G11 in like a meaningful way.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Uh, Jonathan Ferguson has.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  Oh, that's true. Well, yeah, well, he's cheating though. He's got a massive collection to choose from.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Which one was the G11?

• 6:53Speaker 01

  The great crap space magic, magic.

• 6:55Speaker 04

  The brick looking one.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 6:57Speaker 04

  And Call of Duty Black Ops one, I believe.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  The one that it is wild to think you're gonna hand this off to a soldier and be like, "Hey, your weapon's dirty. Can you fix that malfunction?" And then like, open it up.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  It's 4.6 millimeter caseless, three-round hyperburst at like 1800 rounds a minute.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, we talked about, someone was on here before and we talked about, I think that it's the one you called, you just said, "The grandfather clock."

• 7:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, Space Magic.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, yeah. So here's the thing, I like, I have a video taking it apart, how it works, the history, what it was intended to do. Didn't get to shoot it, for like, obvious reasons. It's in a collection, it's, there's no ammunition. You ever tried to find ammunition for G11?

• 7:40Speaker 04

  I can honestly tell you I have not.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Well, did, like-

• 7:43Speaker 02

  How the fuck does it shoot?

• 7:45Speaker 01

  4.6 millimeter caseless.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's mildly proprietary.

• 7:50Speaker 04

  You can't go to Bass Pro.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  I can't, you can't get caseless ammo at Bass Pro?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  I have 11 rounds.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  How much do you think each one of those rounds is worth?

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know. No one's actually shooting it.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  You can name the price now.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  But the gyrojet, look how much if you have OG gyrojet.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Those rounds are like 200 bucks a piece, roughly.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  And by the way, if you have original gyrojet ammo, shoot it now. Because that stuff is deteriorating. And in 20 years, none of it's gonna work. Today, a lot of it doesn't work. And in 20 years, none of it will work. So if you want to shoot a gyrojet, do it now.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  So at least one out of two, maybe one out of three rounds that we fired for the video, because I don't, I don't know how many rounds we fired. That day was maybe like 10, 15. One out of two, at least one out of three, had some sort of malfunction.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 04

  Where like, maybe only half of the, the jets actually went off. And you could see it in the super slow-mo, like, unusable high-speed footage where it's completely destabilized.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  That actually would be some of the most interesting high-speed footage.

• 8:45Speaker 04

  Some, if you go back and really cool, if you look in the video, you can see some of it where like, not all of the rockets are firing. And it's just really weird.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  It's trying its best.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  So at the G11.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Like, I would love to shoot a G11. But it would be, it would be really uninteresting video. Because nothing happens. Nothing ejects.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  It's one hefty recoil impulse. And, and three holes down range, and that's it.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  That's where you would need ballistic high speed, just so people could see rounds leaving the barrel.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  That's right. All you'd see, I think you'd see the magazine moving back and the bullets coming out. And that's it. So it's like.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  There's no action, all the action's internal.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Everything's internal. It's caseless. So there's no brass coming out. There's no ejection port. There's nothing.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Boring ass video. You're right. You slow that down and it is just.

• 9:36Speaker 04

  But it's still some of the only firing footage of that that exists outside of 360p.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what's crazy.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  So I'd still want to do it, but my, like, in my head, I just, I, like, I console myself with what I'd be.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  Like you said, getting Knowles and ballistic high speed up there, at least to get it coming out of the barrel. And then explain how fucking boring the gun is. That'd be kind of cool.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  I don't really watch a lot of gun tube anymore. It's kind of one of those weird things. It's like, it feels like work. So like, I don't watch other gun tubers. I would wash the shit out of that.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  If someone else films it, I'll, I'll watch it too. Absolutely.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  All right, we got a guy.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Like, this is what I want to see.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  So the owner of Ox Ranch, I think I can say this. I don't think that's like some sort of nuclear secret. He's got one of the early, I think it's the Stier ACR.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  I filmed that gun.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 10:24Speaker 04

  Probably the one he's got.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  No shit?

• 10:26Speaker 04

  He's got a couple of rounds, like the crayon looking ammunition and shit. Yeah, he's got a couple, like six, seven rounds. I don't know how much he's got, but like, that's. That was, where the fuck do you find that?

• 10:34Speaker 01

  That was one that I wanted to shoot. Like, that was one where there was actually some minuscule chance of shooting it. It didn't work out, but. It's also, they're all flakshets.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  Really?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what. I believe so, yeah.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  I just.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 04

  Yo, that's the one.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Just search Stier ACR, that's what came up. What the?

• 10:50Speaker 04

  Little flakshet.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Wait, what the fuck's that thing for? I have never heard of this weapon, so.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  So the idea of the flakshets, the, you know, the whole ACR program was how do we increase hit, hit probability?

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Because, like, soldiers fire and then they miss. How do you fix that? And one idea is you fire a bunch of rounds real fast before the recoil impulse hits.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Fenn, pull up the Stier ACR. Wow. Okay. One of them is, what if we shoot? Face weapon. What if we have like forty five hundred feet per second muzzle velocity, twelve grain flechettes? So your mean point blank range is like six hundred yards. You don't adjust for anything. Hold center mass, pull trigger. Yeah, it's just cooking, but then. So you're less likely to miss because it's just a laser beam.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  But then what's the damage on that? Probably just like.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Not great. Yeah, and and it's not gonna go through fucking brick or trees or leaves like it'll fucking Yeah. Go all over the place. One of the early flechettes, you know, they were experimenting with flechettes rounds back into the fifties. And one of the early ones, they ended up canning because it was causing like serious health problems for the soldiers. Because when the the plastic Sabo was separated from the from the flechet, it basically vaporized. And the guys were inhaling this plastic particulate vapor from every Sabo they fired at, you know, twelve hundred RPM. Yeah, it's going straight to their balls. Yep. And microplastics, dude.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  That's where it started, right there.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Flechettes rounds. So the other fun, just to round it out, the other fun option in this, the set of like, how do we increase hit probability? Is put multiple bullets in one case. So duplex and triplex ammo, where you stack two or three bullets in a single cartridge case. And they made this stuff for three oh eight, for thirty out six. Mostly those two, because that's what the army was using at the time. And then the idea is you have one point of aim and the bullets spread out a bit. And you get the same effect as with three rounds out of a G eleven or two rounds out of an AN ninety four. But it's one cartridge and it fire, you don't have to have hyperburst because you're firing three bullets with one case.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  What was the downfall on that, though? Because it doesn't sound, I understand in theory, you're like, oh, we'll just put it all behind this single bullet there. So the line, but it seems like it would.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  So like thirty out six triplex, you got three bullets. But in order for the gun to not catastrophically fail, the three bullets have to weigh the same as your normal one bullet. So you're firing three fifty grain bullets. It's essentially, you know, three light thirty two autos.

• 13:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Um, there were issues of accuracy. Uh, you don't want the bullets to like actually stack on top of each other, but you also don't want them to go super far away.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Like a li- like a slight, because again, think about it at a hundred yards. This turns into this really quickly. So you're like, okay.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  So I have, I've actually done some shooting with duplex three oh eight and it was like at a hundred yards. We got about a 12 inch spread between the, the bullets, which I think is really good. Like that's that distance of if you have a perfect shot, you might get two hits, but you'll definitely get one.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  And if you, if you normally would have just missed, one of those two bullets will probably hit. A lot of the downfall of this stuff was, um, old school people in administration who were brought up on marksmanship. And how do you have marksmanship when there's two bullets?

• 14:19Speaker 01

  It'll never hit where you want it to hit. Therefore.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Not possible.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  I'm just, I'm trying to figure out like the, what makes that better than a shotgun with a good choke?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Uh, you have a lot higher muzzle velocity and a lot better ballistics on an actual spitter bullet. You're still getting 3,02700 feet per second.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  The only problem is when you go to 400 yards, you've got like the pulp fiction where there's like six hits around the guy.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Quite possibly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  And you're hitting the person and then the dude.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  Eight persons away at this, depending on how far it's going.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  Also not recommended for hostage rescue.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Exactly. You get both at the same time. You're like, go.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Spitzness, mission.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  No hostage, no hostage situation.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Just pump fentanyl gas in there. Yep. Everything will be fine, dude. 10, 10 terrorists, 90 hostages, 100 body bag. Mission accomplished.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. Mission accomplished.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Like no, dude, that, that, that kind of tech is wild or just developing it because how far I came like in my head, that sounds like, oh, that's not going to work. Or here is the, the downside to it, but we're just, we tested that in the sixties, fifties.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Fifties through nineties. Essentially it was a whole series of programs. So the, the final culmination of it that we see were the four guns, the Colt ACR, the Steyr ACR, the G11 and the, um.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  AAI, Advanced, what was it, Aeronautics, Advanced Armaments, Inc. Had a flesh hat firing goofy rifle. But that was in the 90s. The Germans came close to adopting the G11 and just barely escaped with their lives from it. But it goes all the way back to the 50s. And there are some bizarre freaking rifles that were in those programs.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  I was just talking about this because I just did a video on the Lewis gun. And I find it so intriguing because you've got pretty much like ballistics and well, actually, well, I don't know what you say, kinetics, just muzzle loaders rifles in general stayed pretty much the same from like the 1500s to the mid 1800s. There really wasn't a lot of variety. And then as soon as you had the center fire cartridge, very soon after you started having like machine guns and all sorts of things, and it was just like your tech tree exploded. You get there's like 8,000 different ways to do it.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  So you get two major inflection points like that. The first one is smokeless powder. Because smokeless powder allows you to have self-loading firearms. As long as you've got black powder, there's so much fouling that there were people who tried, who experimented with self-loading. I should, sorry, I should say the second one is smokeless powder. The first one is self-contained metallic cartridges.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  And that, that doesn't start with primers, but it very quickly becomes the center fire, modern center fire case.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  And that allows you to have a, a batch of cartridges at the ready to use in some sort of repeating weapon.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  Because we're, we're looking at, and it's neat to see that right before that really took off, the, the things that people did before that, like the first ever thing that came out of what became Smith and Wesson was the volcanic. And right now we're working on, you know, the volcanic pistol, you'd probably know it from like Red Dead, the little like lever action pistol. Complete dog shit. They like have no muzzle energy whatsoever, but it was like a self-contained projectile. And we're working on a reverse engineering the ammo right now.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  Super just a bizarre concept. And you very quickly realize like, oh, this is why these never took off.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you, you take a bullet, a lead bullet with a hollow base and you make the base, the inside hollow section bigger and put the powder in that and put a primer in that. And then like a little sealant cup of something. I don't remember what they used on the backend. But then wax or paper, something like that. Yeah.

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• 18:34The Fat Electrician?

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• 18:40Speaker 04

  All right. Real question. Can the gang do a pillow fight?

• 18:43The Fat Electrician?

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• 18:46Speaker 04

  Pillow fight?

• 18:46The Fat Electrician?

  No, they're heavy. It'll hurt.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Are they really?

• 18:49The Fat Electrician?

  Yes, they're premium.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Dude, that would actually suck.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Actually, I don't think I'd want to get smacked with that.

• 18:54The Fat Electrician?

  I'm swinging it hard. Okay.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  Your son, you walk up and just tee off on your kid?

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  What do they do with all the used mattresses that get returned?

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  Use the code unsubscribe to sleep better and stay cooler. But then you have all the elements of your cartridge right here and the bullet is the case because the, you know, you've got the, the tip of the bullet with most of the mass and then you've got the hollow cylinder that holds the powder. The problem was in order to make it, give it enough muzzle velocity to do anything of impact, you had to make the bullet really long, but then you had these really thin lead walls and the front of the bullet would break off from the back of the bullet and you'd leave, you'd have it like a cylinder of bullet case at the back and the projectile, the front of the projectile would go down range and then the guns.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  Dangerous.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Not, yeah, can't be fired again.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Otherwise you have these really light projectiles that don't really do anything. Like there's, I don't know if this is hyperbolized, but there's accounts of people trying to with this and failing.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  I've read that story. I don't know if I believe it or not, but it's not completely out of the realm.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  Like Mythbusters says plausible kind of thing.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Like, I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't doubt it.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Skill issue. And they had, so they had a couple of different versions and like the handgun one was what 31 caliber, I think.

• 21:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  So, you know, you, it's, it's even a small diameter to begin with. The rifle one was bigger. I think they had a.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  It's like 41?

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Something like that. Yeah.

• 21:18Speaker 04

  I don't recall off the top of my head, but we, we have the smaller one.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  And it's cartoonishly small.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  You look at that and you're like, I don't know how the fuck you ever made this work.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  But it's cool.

• 21:27Speaker 04

  It's really neat.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  So beyond the Volganic, there was a whole series of pistols that were manually operated with ring trigger levers that mostly came out of Austria and they are neat guns too. Like there's some with little five round clips.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  There's a batch of them that were made using cartridges before people really kind of came up with the idea of an extraction groove. So the, the base end of the cartridge is just solid.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  And there is no, like, the extractor doesn't grip on the, a groove in the cartridge.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  What is it? What does it do then?

• 22:02Speaker 01

  I don't remember. I knew you were gonna ask that.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  You just say, you're like, fuck.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't remember how they did that.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  I don't have the answer to the question I just made.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  It's neat. I was just like, huh, that's a neat way of doing it. What did they do instead?

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Her science.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Magic.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  If he doesn't know, podcast is over.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  You're the professional.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Soiled it.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  What the fuck, dog? What the fuck?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  No, they're, they're all super janky.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  It's super neat too, cause like a lot of the, like early cartridge stuff, you've got like the, the pin fire stuff.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Which, I mean, that was, the needle rifles and stuff like that. It's just super.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  The needler.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  So strange.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  What makes those situations?

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Halo needler.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  That's what you're talking about.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Oh, totally, totally.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  That was old tech.

• 22:46Speaker 04

  Explodes inside.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Missiles to kill somebody.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  What makes those periods so cool is someone will invent new technology and patent it. And a lot of people think, a lot of people don't really understand how patents work. Patents are temporary protection. The idea is if you innovate and create a new product, you're rewarded with a monopoly on that product for a limited period of time. So that Bob, the inventor in his garage, doesn't invent something super cool. And then mega corp just copies it and, and he gets nothing.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Bob gets his, his limited time monopoly, which people can argue pros and cons on that system, but.

• 23:25Speaker 04

  Edison had some words about it.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Right. Oh, yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  It's, it's not. Contracts and lawyers, my friend.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  It is not without controversy, but that's the concept. And what happens as a result is when the new technology comes out, like smokeless powder. All of a sudden, it's now feasible to make self-loading systems, semi-auto, full-auto guns. And the first person who figures out like the obvious way to make it work, patents it. So then the next guy is like, well, this is a huge open market. I want to make a, a machine gun. But I have to do a different thing than, than that guy did. So, well, okay, here's the second best, most obvious, efficient way to do it. And he does that and he patents it. And about five years in, there's still people out there who want to make their fortune in this. But now like the 85 best ways to do it are patented. And then you start getting these really bizarre workaround systems.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Just, and at like 17 years after the tech comes out. All the bizarre stuff goes away because now the good way, the patents expired and now everyone can do that. Like that's why we have Browning pistols still today and we don't have Bergmans and Namboos and all the other really janky early semi-auto pistols.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  As cool as they are.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Oh, they're super cool, but would you want to carry any of them?

• 24:40Speaker 04

  The Mandalorian does.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  That was, I, I have questions about that. Like, there's only one place that Prop Master found that gun.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  You think?

• 24:49Speaker 01

  There's only one gun. Where, where else do you find it online before the Mandalorian comes out?

• 24:53Speaker 04

  So it's like the Bergman, what is it?

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I posted it.

• 24:58Speaker 04

  It's like the M, what is it? The M95?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Uh, it was, no, it was 1892 or 93.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Cause it was the, what they copied for the Mandalorian was the very first prototype Bergman. Not even, not even the first standard model, but the prototype.

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• 25:44Speaker 01

  Yo. So I got, when that came out, I got a lot of messages from people who were like, oh my God, they, it was either like, oh my God, they found one or oh my God, they ruined one by turning into a blank or something for the movie.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  Oh shit.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  And the answer is no, they totally didn't. They, like, it's a resin model.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  The Bergman 1896?

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, it's not, yeah, but that's not like, it's not, it's an earlier pattern.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. I didn't know. Cause yeah, there's, there's clearly like a couple of differences there, but like, yeah, like on the, I don't know what you call that, but.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  So that's the loading gate.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  That's actually a thumb lever that you pull down to put the clip in.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  But the very, so if you look here, it's not, not yet. It wasn't, it's got a cleaning rod on the side and that's only found on the, the original prototype example.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  Oh, so they actually had an OG OG. So whoever.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  And please pull that up.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  They made it.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Out, they created that thing out of resin or something. Yeah.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  But they seen that. They had to deep dive to find that exact.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  And I, as far as I can tell, there's only one place where they could have found it.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  And that's

• 26:47Speaker 01

  But I never heard from anybody.

• 26:49Speaker 03

  No shit.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  But if the if the armor for the Mandalorian is watching this and would like to spill any details, I'd love to hear them.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, please comment.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Because that was it's such a cool Star Wars throwback.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Because the original Star Wars was all done with World War II guns with stuff glommed on to them because that's what was available and easy to use.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Lewis guns, MG thirty fours, fucking STG forty fours, all that shit. It's.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  I can't. Okay, so. Side cool stories.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Well, just really quick. I never realized patents, the way you just described that is how when you teach AI, the exact pattern is the shit that gets it super far, but whatever is the most efficient way gets to the front of it. What you're saying with that, the seventeen years of bad tech don't make it to the front. It's, hey, this is the best, easiest method that is proven. Oh, something else comes along that's better than that steps. That's AI training to a T.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, you could also just say it's just I.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Like that. I was like, oh shit, this is actually in that exact line is how it's done. I just never had a picture.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  That was the tech bro equivalent of looking at the scar in Fortnite and going, oh, they made the Fortnite gun.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Wait, holy shit. I never looked at actually patents like that where it's like, hey, most efficient thing's going to get proven. It's like, holy shit. Yeah, actually, that is actually how that works. Huh.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  No, that's just that's just clanker cultural appropriation. That's what that is.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  Takes a lot longer. It's not like I ran it for one hour.

• 28:29Speaker 04

  It takes thirty, forty fucking years, but yeah, anyway, sorry, your cool story.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  I came this close to making a fully functional Hoth trooper. Uh, what was it? A thirty four blaster, I think.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  The like STG forty four clone?

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I was last year, um, Finnish brutality was held in the winter. So, okay, so I'm going.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Time to go to Finland.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm going to a winter match. And this was when, yep, yeah, exactly. This was when DK was just starting to send out their Sturmgevers, their US semi-auto Sturmgevers. And I arranged to get one. My gunsmith was super stoked to make, because it's only like three parts. Like, you need a new buttstock, and we need, we got a new rear sight leaf to modify to put a red dot with a 3D printed cage around, you know, body around it. And a new buttstock and a new handguard. And like, that's it. And I have an A34 blaster. I hope it's A34.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  A295. Yeah, A295 blaster.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Okay. At any rate, the problem.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's not, that's not complicated.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  No, no, because they took actual Sturmgevers when they did the movie and just bolted some crap onto them.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  I love how it's like, this is now futuristic.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  So I was gonna, I was gonna shoot the match with that rifle and a Hoth trooper costume. That was gonna be a fantastic.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  That's fucking great.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  And then I had to send the gun back like three times to get it working and ran out of time.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  I have a theory about that.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Do tell.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  Everybody's got, everybody's had fucking problems with getting their reproduction STG44s to run properly. Like, everyone who's ever fucking tried.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  I question if the original STG44s ran properly.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Um, so there was a massive QC like scrap rate.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  On the production of Sturmgevers, like massive, like 30% of the.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Oh, my fucking god.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they're just stamping them out so fast that whatever, throw them back into the smelter and.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  They had some stuff going on at the time.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, yeah, there were other issues.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  The original?

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Produce a whole bunch of weapons of diff- just different weapons at the same time during a war with different ammo and you're like, go fight shit.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  So I think the other problem is that nobody has been able to put the time and the production numbers into a semi-auto repro to work out the fine details. And when the Germans are doing this during the war, they are stamping them out by the thousands.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  And so you have the scale to be like, oh, we need to change that tolerance needs to come in a thou. And, and they work out the problems with the semi-auto guns. There's never, they're so, they're always expensive enough that there's never enough scale. Like you have to make a thousand of the things, a thousand of anything in a production line before you're going to get close to having it actually reliable.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  Not only that, but I, this is getting like real in the fucking weeds really early, but the, I, I think that there's a difference in the actual cartridge, like eight millimeter Kurs is, uh, I think the modern PPU stuff is like a different spec. I heard people saying that you needed to do something to your feed ramp to be able to fire modern ammo.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  I've seen that. I'm pretty dubious about it.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  Really?

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, for one thing, it assumes a very high level of, uh, of quality control on the part of the original German ammo. If you ever want to have a fun time, grab some headspace dies and go find a stack of original Sturmgevers and check their headspace. Cause like 30 thou excess headspace is not particularly uncommon on a Sturmgever.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  What does that mean?

• 32:18Speaker 04

  It's not great.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  But it works.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  This is, and anyone out there that doesn't know, it's the STG 44 Sturmgever.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  This is the assault rifle. It's one of the first of its kind at the MP4.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  So the MP43, the MP44 and the Sturmgewehr 44 are all the same gun.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Okay. But this is that brand new tech, future tech.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  It's largely regarded as like the father of the modern assault rifle.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. It's not technically the first, but it is the first to be put into mass production used in the field with the tactics of an assault rifle.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Speaking of, uh, Schmeizer guns that were like their first, I just got after five years of hunting and this is like fucking a week ago. I'm super stoked. I just got my hands on an MP18.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  Oh, nice.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  I don't have

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Original snail drum.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  I don't have the original drum with it yet, but so the

• 33:12Speaker 04

  That's fine. You're probably gonna have

• 33:14Speaker 01

  You're probably gonna have better luck with repro drums anyway.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. The so for

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Just shoot it with eight round sticks.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  Exactly. That's not a fucking problem.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  But Cody is the battle. It's the

• 33:24Speaker 04

  The battlefield one gun.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, they actually went back and made they actually went back and made that gun after the movie came out.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  Exactly. It's just like Fortnite, Eli.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:33Speaker 03

  Okay, that makes way more sense.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  That's that's really good.

• 33:36Speaker 02

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• 33:40Speaker 04

  What are they talking about?

• 33:42Speaker 01

  One, seven, three, four, five, six. I had a chance to shoot a Villar Perosa. That is not I having shot that it is not the first submachine gun because it is unusable as a submachine gun. It is a little tiny ought to be tripod mounted thing.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, that bad. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  What's it called?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Villar V I L L A R dash P E R O S A. It is like 1100 rounds a minute, nine millimeter glissanti, two barrels with spade grips and thumb triggers.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  It's technically operable. It's kind of like the the show shot. Or the show shot. I don't know.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Show shot. Yeah.

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• 35:56Speaker 01

  I have a series going that would make a fantastic exclusive Pepperbox video, where we have a 75-round Course of Fire with the Shoshaw that I bring on guests to shoot. Because nobody's ever actually got trigger time on a Shoshaw. It is.

• 36:14Speaker 04

  I thought you were gonna say nobody's gotten through 75 rounds with a Shoshaw and not had a malfunction.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  We have had one malfunction in the history of the series.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  You're kidding.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  My Shoshaw runs. The problem with Shoshaws is twofold. One is that the mags are basically tin foil.

• 36:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  They're, they ought to be expendable, but they're not because they haven't made them in 100 years. But they're terrible quality mags that are all a century old now. That's one problem.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Tossing a Mac and it bends.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Oh, if you hold it, if you hold the gun by the magazine, you will cause a malfunction because you will squeeze the magazine and you will cause it to not feed.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  Do you know what we're talking about with the Shoshaw?

• 36:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  It's the one where it's like a, it's like a half moon, like the World War I French light machine gun, where it's the entire bottom of the gun is like a cup that is the magazine.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  It's an 18-round, single-stack, 180-degree magazine.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  18 rounds?

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  To be fair, this is also World War I.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Again, that's why I'm like, it's World War I.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  And by the way, it's, it's not just the French Automatic Rifle Light Machine Gun. It's also the American one.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  I forgot about that.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  The BAR showed up like six weeks before the end of the war. US troops who deployed to France had Shoshaws.

• 37:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the one.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  God, and I love that. That's just 18 rounds.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  That thing way. Oh, God.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Now imagine. It's not that heavy. Really? I mean, it's awkward.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  If you're walking 30 miles with it.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Then it gets really clunky, but.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  It's less than a brand. It's less than a 240.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. I always look at weapons. I'm like, hmm.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  How much would that suck to carry?

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Dude, you get that mindset so fast overseas. It is. Here is, I want my gun to look cool and then it starts to go to, okay, I don't need this. I don't need this. This fucking sucks because it weighs extra. There, this, that's it. Strip down. It's minimized. Now I can walk a long ways.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  What's awesome about the shoshai is nobody's ever shot them. Even people with tremendous amounts of firearms experience. Never shot them. A few. Sometimes people have, but like if someone in your position had shot a shoshai, it would be, oh yeah, I was at a shoot once and a guy had one and I put a magazine through it from a bench. That's it. No one's ever actually tried to effectively use one. So we get to have this series where we take people who are reasonably familiar with firearms. And like, here you go. We're counting your hits. It's, we got some semi, we got some full auto, we got a mag dump, we got some walking fire, like a whole variety of different types of shooting. Oh, I volunteer as tribute. Excellent. We'll, we'll set that up. That'll be a lot of fun. Cause I've, I've never shot one and I've. Right?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  They come up for reasonable prices, like 10 grand ish for something like, something like that. It's not crazy. So the other problem with them is that a lot of the ones in the US were de-wadded or de-milled and then repaired. Um, there are a fair number of them that came back as like,

• 39:02Speaker 01

  American Legion post souvenirs that went up on the wall and they were either welded shut or various forms of de-mill. And so they've all had to be repaired. And when you get rando gunsmith trying to cut an eight millimeter LaBelle chamber, or make a new barrel, or usually like, I don't know where we get a new barrel for this thing. So let's just see if we can grind out the weld that's in it. You, that's a recipe for gun not work very well. I, I.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  Have had this theory for a while now. And it drives me fucking crazy because the more I see, the more I know it to be true. Most of what people bitch about with machine guns now is entirely due to the American NFA world. Where boomers in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s are trying to fix machine guns. They don't have prints for, and they're just like, fuck it, this'll work kinda. And as long as it fires three rounds in a row, they're like, functional machine gun. And they'll take it to shoots and they'll sell them and we, we have to, we bring in so many machine guns that I, I buy is like, perfectly functional. We realize the welds are completely fucked. Headspace is completely gone. Like they're dangerous to shoot. Like you, you sold me a grenade and went, that's fine. Like our, our Dishka, it was so fucked.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Oh, I can't even imagine. But something like that, that's like, there's really no way for a good Dishka to come into the US and get on the registry. It's guaranteed to be messed up somehow.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  But the guy who rewelded it, it was the worst reweld. We've seen it a while. Like they're just open pockets. When we cut back into it.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  I've, I've seen some pretty bad rewelds. You've seen some of the pretty bad jobs that I've seen.

• 40:38Speaker 04

  Well, that's fair, actually. That one was pretty bad. That was pretty fucking.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Expans.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  Holy crap. At one, at one point he did a video on, um, we call it like the most cursed crank. Like it was just, it was fucked up.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  It, it was not recognized as being a bad gun. It, that was the first, we took it to the range as part of a shoot. Um, a guy I was with and he brought it out because he hadn't shot it before and it's his new, post sample crank. And one round fired and the entire gas block assembly goes down range. Yeah. And it only got worse from there. Once we started to look, like, I didn't really look at the thing closely because I've done some video on cranks, like it's, they're super cool, but I have, I have, I'm focused. Like I'm working. I have these three guns that I want to film and it's a quasi-public shoot, so it's going to be tricky to work with anyway. And yeah, so he's going to bring that thing like, okay, that's cool, dude, whatever, you know, have fun.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  And oh, there was a lot of grinder involved in building that gun.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  It was not safe.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  What was the first clue? Perhaps pieces of the gun going down range?

• 41:45Speaker 04

  That and like the amount of grinding on the locking lugs like for our dishka was the locking flaps were ground down, which is always a great, that's the thing that stops the gun from exploding. So that's really.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are important.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, we ended up, uh, cause we saw your video. I'm like, we'll just rebuild it for the guy. Like we'll, we'll actually make it, you know, come back to life. Cause he is a really cool guy.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Like, yes, I don't want to cast aspersions on the guy. Cause he, I don't think he looked at it closely either. No, which is, by the way, this is a good lesson for everybody. If you buy a new gun, look at it, like examine it before you shoot it. This applies to Millsyrp stuff too. It's not very common in the U S, but in Europe, it's not uncommon for people to forcibly deactivate guns, effectively destroy them so that they don't have to be registered. And this can mean like drill a hole in the chamber. And then sometimes it's we drilled a hole in the chamber, but we don't want it to look like it's got an ugly hole in it. So we filled in the stock and we put a new stock on it and didn't bother to put a bar in the chamber or anything. And then it gets sold and sold and then third guy gets sold to,

• 42:48Speaker 01

  doesn't know it's deactivated and goes and fires around through it and it just blows through the bottom of the stock and hurts someone.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  You figure it out like quick.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, but look at guns before you take them out and shoot them.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  Especially like the older something. Yeah. It's like, it's not, not bad to, I don't know. It's, it's kind of a weird thing to say like, oh, you should own a headspace engages for every caliber you have. But really like headspace engages are a really, really nice entry level tool.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  I think on the older ones, especially if you're taking them out, cause those I always look at as the ticking time bombs. New shit, I'm like, a lot of tech went into even building this for the most part, should be pretty good. Old shit is the one where it's like, I'm gonna have somebody look at it before I touch it.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  When I was building AKs way back in the day, my cop out for not having head spacing dies was that I only worked with, uh, matching parts kits. I mean, it's more, then I don't have to worry about it. And at the time that wasn't a big deal.

• 43:44Speaker 04

  I mean, that's better. That's objectively like, okay, it went together properly the first time this way. Cause if you have like virgin parts kits or you have non matching kits, then you really have to like, you have to be careful with that space.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  But matching stuff, you're like, well, it was good enough for Bulgaria in 1968.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Then, then you go to like Kujir and look at it and you're like, ooh.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Can we dumb it down for just a minute?

• 44:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  You had to explain to me what a, god damn it. I'll see myself out. You guys have fun with your fucking autism.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  The one thing you had to explain to me when I first met you is what a parts kit was.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. So like specifically for, this is true for pretty much all firearms, but for AKs in general, in, in this case, you'll have importers that want to bring in kits to the United States. You can't bring in whole machine guns to the US. Up until recently, the Trump administration just reversed this, but you couldn't even bring in machine gun barrels. So like original barrels for anything that was a machine gun, AKs, whatever, had to be cut up in multiple pieces. Receivers had to be cut up in like three pieces.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  So a kid is getting pieces of a gun.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  It's, I want, I have this AK that I want to sell to the Americans.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  But you can't import a machine gun. Well, if you take it apart enough, eventually you'll find the one part that is a machine gun by itself. That's the receiver.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. And sometimes, sometimes it's like chopped up in the vertical pieces.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Torch cut. Now, they used to be saw cut, which used to be way easier to rebuild.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  The, the rules on how it can be, the idea is you destroy the legal machine gun part, and then you just import everything else. And it became known as a parts kit.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  And the rules for how the destruction has to take place have changed over the course of decades.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. And when, when I first met Brandon a couple of years ago, I thought he was a fucking magician. Cause he was like, yeah, here's a parts kit. Here's this piece, this piece, this piece, this piece. We can put it back together into a functional gun. I was like, holy shit, that is the coolest thing ever. I didn't, I didn't know parts kits existed before I met him a couple of years ago.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Which for like an AR is not that big of a deal.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Oh, no, that's not gunsmithing. That's just.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  You've offended a lot of people.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, if you built your own AR, that you're not a gunsmith. Might be a gunsmith.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  But it's just wild. It's just wild thinking about overseas. They have to torch cut just like just gnarly fucking torch it into it.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  And like you have to.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  You have this thing.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  You want horrible nightmare fuel. I've seen videos of the process like here's a stack of pristine machine guns and here's the dude with the the acetylene torch.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Hello.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  Uh, it's horrible.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  The but it went once they get to the States like you have to D mill like the AKs riveted together. So you have to drill out all the the individual rivets. Um, you have to cut around the slag on like the barrels and shit like that when that get get cut. Press out the pins on all the barrel components, press them off like it's it's a pretty involved process just to get to a parts kit.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:30Speaker 04

  And then from there you have to use a new receiver, a new barrel, everything, and then rebuild it. What he's talking about with uh like an OG barrel headspace. Is headspace on the AK is determined by your bolt and how far back your barrel is pressed in the trunnion. Yeah, I said it.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  Trunnion.

• 46:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  Say it again.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  Basically, if you press it in too far, it's too tight, won't completely lock.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  The trunnion is too tight.

• 46:53Speaker 04

  Trunnion is too tight.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  That sounds good, but it's not.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Sounds like it should be a good thing. Um, yeah, Prom Night tight, not good on AK. If you don't press it in enough, there's too much space and then um the round can essentially detonate out of.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  The best way I've heard it described is headspace is when the when the gun's locked closed on a cartridge. How much, how far back can the bolt and the cartridge case push from the back of the barrel? And there has to be a little bit because if it's completely frictionally rubbing against each other, it won't reliably close. But if there's too much, then uh the first thing that happens when you fire is the cartridge comes all the way back to the maximum extent of its headspace. And if that's too much, it'll blow through the brass at that point before gas has gotten to the gas port at all. And then that's the gun exploding.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  I just know M2 go click.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Or bang click.

• 47:53Speaker 04

  The two guys.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Great system. I know. That's why that's the only.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  We know.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  I know. It's the only time I ever fucked with head spacing.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  When I am army, I am in army do thing, bullet boom.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  This piece metal say go, this piece metal say no go. Yeah. Okay. And that's the army dumbing it down as much as possible. We're like, okay. Unscrew C window, three turn. Okay. It go bang.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  And that's why you've got like field gauges and stuff, which is what they issued to troops. Basically like when this closes, bring the gun to your armor.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Yes. Three bad men.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  Cause you've got like go gauge.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  No. Bad headspace.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  When we're talking about like headspace gauges, you've got go, go gauge, which means it can close. Like that's, that's a good thing. You want it to be able to go. No go means, okay, well, it just closed on this. We should not, that shouldn't happen. So it's out of headspace. Field gauges, this might explode. This is not usable.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Field gauges is, this may have some wear, but it's, if it doesn't exceed this, it's usable.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yeah. Like if it closes on the field gauge, you're like, ah.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Go and no go are what you use on a brand new gun to assemble it. And then field is a recognition that over time, the headspace will expand as, as things stretch. And as you fire thousands of rounds to the gun. And if it, you know, if a, an old worn gun fails, one of the go, no go gauges like.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  But if it fails the field gauge, don't use it.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. If it swallows a field gauge, you're, that's a grenade.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  As I say, I love the two sides of our audiences listening right now. Cause one side is like, let Eli and Cody try to dumb things. And then the other side is like, stop Eli and Cody from talking, cause they're explaining the gun stuff.

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• 51:44Speaker 03

  God, they're retarded. Okay, go on. A285 from Star Wars. Which only you know about. You had your video game podcast last week. Let me have this.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  Like, what's going on? Gun shoot, guys. I'm like, what the fuck?

• 52:03Speaker 03

  With, with actually.

• 52:04The Fat Electrician?

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• 52:06Speaker 03

  Who is some of the gun content creators you actually started watching when you got into this field?

• 52:13Speaker 03

  Were there any? Cause you've been in this for a few minutes.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  There were a few. So I started in 2010.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  You're an OG.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  No, I'm, I'm like second generation of it because Hickok was already there. Iraq Vet was already there.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Oh, God, yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  Who else? Uh.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  Four down.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  God, 20 is the second wave. What's the guy's name? Um, FPS Russia.

• 52:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  FPS Russia was the big one when I started.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  But what I, so I didn't start it to be a YouTube channel. I started Forgotten Weapons as a text blog, largely because I was playing with a friend's collection and he had a bunch of cool documentary stuff, like those old Springfield Armory photos. When Springfield Armory, which was the head of US small arms testing and R and D, whenever they got something, they would take a whole batch of photographs of it. And then they go into the US National Archives and they're public domain and they're available for everybody. And they would do like, you know, left, right, top, disassembled, exploded view of the gun. And then if they did testing and something weird happened, you might get like, well, here's a picture after the barrel exploded and there's, you know, a hole in it.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  And, but they did this for every bizarre, weird gun that they tested. Some, you know, Bob in his garage sends a gun to Springfield in 1912. They do it. We capture this kooky thing from the Nazis in 45. Springfield Armory is doing testing and taking pictures. And so it's this really cool resource of bizarre, weird forgotten weapons.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  And so I, I'm like.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  Roll credits.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  So, yeah, some of it, like, I'd love, we ought to have more access to this. It's hard to find these things sometimes. And then what really did it was a, a friend of a friend was a senior engineer at Colt and died. And he happened to have in his attic, like manuals and drawings for the Pedersen device.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Hmm, cool.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  The Pedersen device for the Mosin, the Enfield and the LaBelle.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Okay, so now I, from that cool, the Pedersen device.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Yes. It converts a bolt action rifle into a semi-auto pistol caliber carbine.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  It was like the original PCC conversion.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Someone dude was like, hey, here's how we turn this from a bolt action.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  John Pedersen, who is one of the greatest gun designers of the early 1900s.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would say so. Dude was like, I can make that gun cooler.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Uh, we made, we made thousands upon thousands of them. It was going to be our secret weapon in the 1919 Spring Offensive in World War I, which didn't happen. No one really expected the war to end at the end of 1918, and they all got scrapped.

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• 55:24Speaker 04

  They were all like thrown off the side of a fucking.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, basically thrown into the ocean, I think.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  No shit. So this was actually, hey, part of this war effort. We're in trench warfare. We need.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  We're going to now be the first wave of everyone's has semi-auto weapons.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Would you like a 40 round semi-auto carbine? Or would you like a five round bolt action ought six?

• 55:42Speaker 03

  God, that would have been mind blowing at that period of time. That would have been.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  And if it didn't happen that year before, it would have been what turned the tide during that war.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  Even better, logistically is you're not issuing new guns.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:54Speaker 04

  You are issuing a, an accessory that makes your gun more lethal.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  And you can swap it back and forth.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  And you got farm boys like, man, you see this fucking thing?

• 56:03Speaker 01

  So I can go dude, dude, dude, instead of dude. Yeah. Holy shit. So these things are scarce and very valuable today because a few hundred of them survived getting scrapped. But originally the plan was to build these for all the other allied powers. We're going to make them for the British, the French and the Russians too. And when this guy died, his family was like, we're gold papers in the garbage. And they're gone. And that was the, that was the moment that I'm like, you know, maybe I could start a website and archive some of this stuff. So it doesn't go boop going into the garbage.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Throw it away.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, they didn't know what it was. They didn't know.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  Grandpa sucks.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, yeah, think, think about like weird old Uncle Brandon over here. And they're just like, yeah, he just wrote a bunch of shit down. Thanks for the money.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, that's sad. That's a sad thought.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  I know your brothers.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  So as I

• 56:58Speaker 01

  As I, as I started expanding the website, it got to the point of like, how does this gun work? I have to explain how this gun works. Doing that in writing is really hard. Like describing, write, tell me how an AK works, but write it down instead of, and with no pictures.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  It's, it's a much worse medium.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  It's like having to read, read patents, which is awful.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  Well, the fun part is that you can, you can describe something in words and then ask 10 fucking people to draw what they just wrote and you'll come up with 10 different answers.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I started doing videos like, oh, oh, it's a lot easier for me to say, to show it than to try and write it. And at the time I was just hosting Forgotten Weapons myself, and I did not have the income to pay for the bandwidth to host video content. Cause that was a thing that like, at one point people actually did was host their own video on their own website.

• 57:53Speaker 03

  A lot of people don't realize that, like the idea of YouTube, especially when it came into existence, what 2005, six?

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, five or six, I think.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  You, that was ground, this is fucking groundbreaking. You had to pay for your, any internet space, even for Pepperbox.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  And that's

• 58:10Speaker 03

  We pay for those servers to run. That's as expensive fucking thing.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  And that's literally why I started using YouTube is it's like, okay, I have this video. What do I do with it? Holy crap. Those idiots will let me host it for free. It wasn't, it wasn't like, at the time, I don't remember when they started monetization, but it was years.

• 58:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Years after I started using it, the monetization was even a thing.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  You just had that mindset. Holy shit, I'm gonna do this for free.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Right. What? These idiots, that'll never last.

• 58:38Speaker 04

  You had to be like legit, like partnered to, to get monetization. Like you had to be like one of the a hundred people that, you know, that

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Chosen as a partnered creator. Like now the partner program is pretty much anybody. It's like, okay, well, if you you meet these criteria, there's tens of thousands of partners.

• 58:55Speaker 04

  Dude, it's wild that you were one of the few people I've talked to that you knew, hey, here's the cost of this and what drove people to YouTube.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  At that time was.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  It was sheer just cost of being able to upload a video, which is wild.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  For free.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  That's wild at that time.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  And so over time, over the following years, the video became more and more popular with people. For obvious reasons, it's more interesting to watch it than to read it. And so I started doing more of that. And today I still run the website, but it's basically just a copy paste of here's the video, here's the YouTube link, here's the description. I still write a reasonable description text for almost every video. Cause they originally were, this is an article with a companion video on it.

• 59:40Speaker 04

  Yes. Now it's like.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Back when description was like super essential for SEO and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. Cause YouTube has always been fantastic and transparent and easy to work with.

• 59:50Speaker 04

  They never lie or change things on the fly.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  I never really got into the SEO stuff and I still don't today. I.

• 59:58Speaker 04

  I gave up.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  I just figured ultimately the whole purpose of SEO is to get people access to the content that they're trying to find. So if I make content that I know is what people want to watch, I don't have to play SEO games. I can count on the SEO getting better over time and successfully leading gun nerds to my stuff, which appears to have worked.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  The only thing I do with SEO is try to make sure that somewhere in my description or title, like if you are looking for what I am, I have provided, then you should be able to find it in search.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:30Speaker 04

  Other than that, I'm just making content for my audience.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  I will do things like if there are multiple different common names for a gun, I'll put one in the title, but I'll make sure to put the other or others in the description text somewhere.

• 1:00:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  And when I get, when I get weird foreign guns with foreign names that have umlauts or accent marks, I will always use just a plain English version for the title, but I'll try and put whatever the original character codes are in the description.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  That's smart.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Cause sometimes if you put like an A with an umlaut and someone searches regular A, they won't find it. And then nobody ever sees your video.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Cause I was gonna say there ain't no motherfucker on the planet that's, that's typing the original like Imperial German version. I'm like, well, your audience might be a little different.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  A lot of people don't realize how much effort even goes into that side of it. It's like, ah, okay, here's the first word for it. Okay, here's the second, here's the third, here's the fourth, just so hopefully y'all see it.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  On top of filming the videos, hosting the video, typing out the descriptions, all those little things that you have to worry about.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  Hmm. Yeah.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Don't miss any of them.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  We do it all the time.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  But it's crazy to see like OG YouTube like that or OG gun tube. Cause like we, we stood on the, the shoulders of giants like IV and FPS Russia and everybody.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:46Speaker 04

  It's, it's weird because there weren't a lot of people in the space back in the day.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  No, there weren't. And I didn't find anyone who was really digging into disassembly.

• 1:01:55Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can do that. And as over time, like as I got deeper into it, um, I got more experience. I got more connections with collections and companies and museums. And today, like my biggest resource is my reference library. I have a lot of gun reference books.

• 1:02:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  And, you know, not the Barnes Noble ones, but that, that weird one that they printed 150 copies in 1974 and it's $800 now.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  Those are so fun.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  But just finding, that's, that's where the information is.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  Cause have you ever had to go to Ian for any of your weapons rebuilds or anything?

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  We've worked together on some stuff. Um, I don't think, we might've asked some questions on certain things. Um, usually the stuff we do is not to denigrate what we do, usually pretty surface level. Like there's nothing super in depth that we would have to dig for.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  And a lot of the stuff that I'm covering is kind of one of a kind. It's not the sort of thing that someone buys as a shooter and then needs to have worked on.

• 1:02:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  I was just asking because I've seen your place as a fucking arms museum. So I was just wondering if there's like some obscure thing you have to hit him up for his weapons manuals that he has from 1916. There's five of them and he has one of them.

• 1:03:11Speaker 04

  There's certain things that are just so exotic that like, for, for example, one of them is the, uh, the PTRS 41.

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  I'm trying to still like to this day, figure out how to safely shoot that fucking.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  I'm terrified of those things. I want to shoot one and a PTRD as well, but.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  I want someone else to shoot it with the same batch of ammo first. When I'm a safe distance.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  That's the fucking problem. They're there. So the PTRS 41, I've seen the look. Sorry. 14.

• 1:03:37Speaker 03

  No, I know this one. I have already watched the video. This is the one where I was like, oh, this is a.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  This is just the scaled up SKS.

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  That one's easy to describe.

• 1:03:47Speaker 04

  Just funny because the SKS is really the scaled down PTRS.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  The.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Right, Cody?

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were thinking the BC 12.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  It was just the scaled up and down.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  It was the 69 420 that you were thinking of. Dumb bitch.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  So anyway, I'm going to mute their microphones.

• 1:04:06Speaker 04

  It was a 14.5 millimeter anti-tank rifle that was developed during World War II by Simonov.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  That big fucker sitting in your.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, they're eight feet long. Big fucker. Uh, not the sleds, that's a Lottie.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:04:17Speaker 04

  Uh, this was the, this was the Russian one that came out in World War II by Simonov. I read in Kalashnikov's book that he said that it was made in like 33 sleepless nights. Uh, something like that.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  The PTRS was a little longer. The PTRD was about a one month project.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  Fuck me.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  We can talk about the PTRD in a moment because that one's even way more terrifying.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  I'm scared of that. The PTRD is basically the, the single shot or the bolt action.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  But it opens by itself.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  It's great.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  It's a bolt action, single shot. So open bolt, put round in, close bolt, but the bolt, the, the whole action is on a, basically a spring loaded chassis. So it, when you fire, it absorbs some of the recoil by moving back towards you. And the cheek rest has a cam plate on it. So when the whole thing moves back, the bolt handle hits this cam plate, pops open. The residual pressure opens the bolt and ejects the round while it's still coming towards your face.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  Super cool.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  And it's a fourteen five, which is, it's like nine hundred grain bullet at thirty three hundred feet per second.

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  Dynamite.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  It is an incredible cartridge. It is the best anti-tank cartridge of World War II.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  They still use them in Ukraine.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  Like, it's still in use. It's, so fifty BMG is twelve point seven millimeter. This is fourteen point five, and it's, it's noticeably chunkier.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, it's the KPV round, isn't it?

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  KPV machine gun cannon? Not quite a cannon, but.

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  I saw one of those come up the other day, too. I've just seen some parts kits for them, like.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  It's, it's funny, because you can get around destructive device laws in the United States as an SOT, uh, because, fun fact, if it's a, so if it's a semi, or a, a, a single shot, semi-auto, whatever, uh, forty millimeter, let's say, forty millimeter grenade launcher, that's a destructive device. As a oh seven oh two SOT, I can only get two of those per year. If it's full auto, now suddenly it's a machine gun, so it doesn't fall under the destructive device category. I can buy as many as I want.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  You know, the other fun thing you can do with those, they're destructive devices because the bore diameter is greater than fifty caliber.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  What happens if you take the barrel off the receiver?

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  It's now a rifle. It doesn't have a bore diameter if it doesn't have a barrel.

• 1:06:33Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  This is why you can re-barrel a boys in fifty BMG.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  And it's no longer a destructive device, but it is in fifty five. And you can take the barrel off of a boys, and you now have a non-regulated barrel and a non-regulated, well, a GCA rifle.

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  If it's already registered as a DD, what happens then?

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Well, the receiver remains a DD. In theory, you could write to ATF and tell them to remove it from the registry. Um, one of the other places where this is, gets goofy is like with, with AOWs, with those, the short-brailed shotgun pistols, the Ithaca auto burglars. If you have, like, let's say you have two that aren't registered.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Ben, just start, just start putting up, like, whenever we mention something, just put up the fucking picture of what we're talking about, because the boys are laws.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Here, here's the dumb thing. You take, you take an AOW like that, you can't register it, legally speaking, but if you took the barrel off and put a different barrel on it, you could register it by as manufacturing it with the new set of barrels, but not with the set of barrels that was originally on it.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  Because if it's already got the barrels, you're not legally manufacturing it.

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  The ATF is just so fucking silly. Like, just some of these things, like, you understand, like, it works for 90% of what they were trying to do, but it just-

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  When they wrote these laws, they did not anticipate the autistic creativity of people that would come 100 years later.

• 1:08:03Speaker 04

  We never went to the aquarium. This [bleep] lied to me.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

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• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  Cody, no. I just want to go to the aquarium.

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• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  You mean I can watch Texas-restricted content in Texas using Surfshark?

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  Whatever do you mean, Cody?

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Like Netflix in other countries.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  In that case, we're allowed to say yes.

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  You can't Texas and chill.

• 1:08:36Speaker 04

  What's the difference between jelly and jam, Eli?

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  What, Brandon?

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  You wouldn't get it.

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• 1:09:05Speaker 02

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• 1:09:58Speaker 04

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• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Precisely. Yes, exactly.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  Speaking of which, Firefly reference.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Maybe we'll bring them back. Maybe. Are they Googling Firefly now?

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  I just like, this is called the Otto and Burglar. I'm like, why is it always with two pictures too?

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  I want one. It's called the Burglar.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  It's the Otto and Burglar.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, you use it in your car and on burglars.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Speaker 04

  Chicago special.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, but dude breaks into my house. Welcome.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  I got one for each of you.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's fucking wild.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Those are cool. And those were reasonably popular until 1934, and then they were immediately not sold.

• 1:10:42Speaker 04

  On that note, I had a Serbu Super Shorty that I just picked up and I was going to make that my center console gun. It's about EA too long.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  That would have been great. Those are fun.

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  It's a neat little, it's a neat little gun.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  I did a backup gun match with a friend recently where he used a Serbu Super Shorty and I used a Thunder Five.

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  No shit.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it was like, neither of these is a good idea.

• 1:11:09Speaker 04

  You get a, you'll get a kick out of this. We did a charity shoot for the, the local GOP a couple, a couple of weeks ago. And it was like, it was a skeet shoot or it was a, yeah, it was a skeet shoot, clay shoot.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Me.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  And we knew like, I'm, I'm not a, I'm not a clay shooter. I haven't done it. I'll do it once in a while for like a charity thing, but I don't practice. I'm not going to win. And our team is, it was all my shop guys came out.

• 1:11:33Speaker 04

  We just said, you know what? We're not going to place and that's fine. We're just having fun supporting the, you know, supporting the, the cause. We're just going to bring the most autistic.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Bring your dumbest shotguns.

• 1:11:42Speaker 04

  I shot it with a USAS.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  We had a USAS, a Saiga 12, a Benelli M4. Like, these were not skeet guns. We just

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Brilliant.

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  fucked around.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  A trench gun, trench shotgun.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  Which actually is probably the best one of that and the M4.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  Guns. What the fuck? What the fuck? This is all this crazy shit. I have no idea. Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  But going back to just really quick, favorite YouTuber, though.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  Watching guns, like, who did you watch? You like, hey, here's this. Or what was that next generation where you were like, oh, here's a different style of the same content, but I really enjoy watching this individual.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Honestly, kind of with Brandon, I don't watch a lot of GunTube, and I kind of never have. These days, I'm just too busy.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, trust me.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  I do a lot of filming and a lot of research and a lot of editing, and I just don't have a lot of time for for watching other people's content, which sucks.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  There is cool stuff out there that I would like to be able to, like, I haven't read a fiction book in like 10 years.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Because I just don't have time.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  It's the fear also. A lot of times, and content creators will talk about this, it is, I don't want to have this idea pushed on me, or I don't want to steal this guy's idea, so I won't watch it just in case, and I get my interpretation of how I want to present this. So you won't watch people's content.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  Mine is much lazier. I just don't care.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  Oh, trust me, I'm worse at watching.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  Because, well, I mean, it is, it is serious where,

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  you know, if you make your hobby your job, it ceases to be a hobby. So like, when I've been doing gun shit all day, the last thing I want to do is go sit and like, turn on my fucking smart TV and sit on the couch and watch more shit of what I already did all day.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  I'm weird in that way, in that I, I do this day in, day out, and I have not burned out on it.

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I still love doing it.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  I, yeah.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  There's a word for that, my friend.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Probably a couple.

• 1:13:43Speaker 04

  I still, I still love it.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  So the problem that I've run into is one of like mental damage from, from grinding it for so long, which is that I have a very hard time relaxing or taking a vacation. Like I can't sit on a beach and, and drink a margarita. It just, five minutes in, I'm antsy, I'm bored. Like this is unproductive. No, I've got to do something.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  Two days in, I'm like having a panic attack.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  That's, that's, dude, that's us. Like we did that a couple of months ago. Like I got an, I got a nice beach house for everyone to come hang out at. And I got it for seven days. So my family could stay there and shit. But like, we all got together and we're like, we can only be there for like two days max. Cause we were all at the same time. We're just like, I gotta, I gotta work. Like I gotta do the thing.

• 1:14:31Speaker 04

  It's great two days.

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  It was fucking awesome.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  You'll appreciate this and you'll actually get the reference. Years ago, actually it was like five years ago now, uh, my wife really wanted to find something that the two of us could do together without me turning it into work. Cause normally like if we go anywhere, I'm gonna like, oh, did you know they had the I'm gonna go off and need to film something or.

• 1:14:53Speaker 04

  I think I know where you're going with this.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  And so for Christmas, she got us scuba diving lessons.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  Yep. So the, the spearfishing?

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  No, oh no, it's better than that in several ways. Oh yeah. So this was a surprise to me. Like I didn't, I know her motivation now, but I didn't know it at the time. I was just like, oh, you know, the coolest presents are always the one that's just an envelope.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  There were guns in the ocean, sort of.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  I open it up and she's sitting there thinking like, this is going to be something fun we can do to relax. It won't be work. I opened up, I'm like scuba diving lessons. Did you know the Russians had an underwater rifle?

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  The APS?

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Yes. And the Germans had one and there's some, and she was like, oh Jesus.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  And what makes it better is that now about five years on, we have actually started a second channel entirely dedicated to scuba diving.

• 1:15:40Speaker 04

  No shit?

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Speaker 03

  No shit? That actually turned into a.

• 1:15:43Speaker 01

  Yes. I've now literally turned her thing we can do that I won't turn into work into second piece of work.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  Do you want to share the channel?

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Uh, deep dive with Ian.

• 1:15:53Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:15:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Deep dive with Ian?

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  So we ran it. It's been going.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  Getting in water. Deep diving sounds fucking terrifying to me. Oh, deep caving. Sorry.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Like, oh God.

• 1:16:02Speaker 03

  I can do that. It's just, there's a certain, I get so low pressure.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  So we ran it.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Me and Eli have that Mexican bone density where water's not our best friend.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  We ran the channel for a number of months just to get some content in it before we announced it anywhere. And I've mentioned it once or twice on Forgotten Weapons. It's right now, it's one video every two weeks. I think at the beginning of next year, we're going to bump it to one per week and then it'll just live there.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  I've seen some of your, your content. You posted to Instagram a while back, like the harpoon fishing.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  Like that, that shit seems pretty cool.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  It was very cool. Yeah.

• 1:16:37Speaker 04

  It was neat. Where'd you guys go?

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  That was Pensacola.

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  Really? Nice.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  So lion, that was a lionfish hunt. Lionfish are beautiful fish. You'll see them in aquariums all the time. Red and white striped with these big, I don't even like almost floral looking fins. They live in the Indo-Pacific and they're, the spines are venomous.

• 1:16:58Speaker 04

  Not lethal, but they hurt you up.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. They, especially if you get stung 90 feet underwater and you don't react well, like you'd better be able to keep calm and collected. But they have no defense mechanism that like, that is their defense mechanism against other fish. And they came over to the Caribbean, probably in ballast on a freighter and absolutely took over. They're invasive as hell. They will eat a third of their body weight every day.

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  Holy shit.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  They obliterate reef systems.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  Very, very, very bad. Like cannot stress how. They're hogs. They are.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're the hogs of the wild, of the Caribbean and, and now the entire coast of North and South America, like all the way down into Brazil, all the way up, almost to New England now.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  They murder these fucks. Like that one guy, he shows a video.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Oh, there's a guy with a classic guy with a Glock in Florida, shooting the thing.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  Oh, I've seen the guy with the spirit. He just, he had to do a video explaining why he's killing all this thing and putting him in the little vacuum tube. He's like, these are terrible. These are fucking god awful.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  What really makes it bad is that nothing eats them. Nothing on our side of the, the world recognizes them as prey. So nothing eats them. Like there are lots of fish that could, groupers could eat them, sharks could eat them, all sorts of things could eat them, but they don't see them as prey. So they don't.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  Just hundreds of generations of not knowing what the fuck that thing is.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  So maybe that'll change over time, but in the meantime, the only thing that keeps them in check is, is human predation. And what's convenient is they taste delicious.

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  That's what I was.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  They are fantastic.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  Are they? Yeah. Have you cleaned one yourself? Are they, are they hard to do? Like? Okay.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  Normally, the guys who are really good at it don't even bother with the spines. Like, they're just dexterous enough, they know what to do. If you're not, you just take a pair of scissors and there's three or four separate spines and you just and then there's nothing to it. Like, there's no poison in the fish. It's only being pricked by the spines on the outside that is dangerous. So you just take the fillet off each side and throw the rest into the water.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  Nice, man. How much meat does like one good one yield?

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  My wife and I measure them in tacos.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Oh, nice. One taco, two taco, three taco.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Five taco lionfish is about as big as you'll ever see.

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  That's pretty.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  And that's like, that big.

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Something about that size is typical.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  So there's no regulations, you can kill as many as you want?

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  It depends on where you are, but it's a lot like hogs. In some places, like, kill as many as you want with scuba in a marine-protected sanctuary. We don't care, just kill them all.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  Although, that's a very funny thought. You're like, oh yeah, I'm a professional harpoon lionfish poacher.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Normally, spearfishing is not compatible with scuba. It's basically seen as unsportsmanlike. It's too easy and it'll decimate fish populations. And it did in the early days of scuba. So usually, if you are legally spearfishing, you're doing it freediving.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  You ever done it?

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  Freediving, no.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  Freediving, yeah.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  The only thing I've ever spearfished is lionfish.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  We did, the one day, it was a couple-day trip and one day was just kind of learning it, understanding it, how do I use the spear gun? And then the day we went out hunting, we did like 76 of them. Three of us together. Which is small potatoes by some people's professional standards.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  This is, imagine a piece of coral and everywhere you look, there is a lionfish. This is like, you're not supposed to be there, so like, oh!

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  But the funny thing is, their defense mechanism is spines. They don't know to run away from anything. You can have five of them in a space the size of this table. And you spear one after another and the fifth one just sits there the entire time.

• 1:20:49Speaker 02

  Huh huh.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Doesn't, doesn't recognize danger.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  Now, if you try to hit one and you miss it, they figure that out and then they'll they'll run.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  It's funny. That reminds me of the, the, I don't know, the Instagram reels or whatever you see where they they build the little cardboard traps with the hole. Where the birds will just walk onto it to get the feed and just they'll watch their friends fall down the hole and just keep. Yeah. Don't fucking think anything of it.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Exactly. I like that.

• 1:21:16Speaker 03

  Go this way.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I I never knew that about lionfish. I thought that was always like this beautiful protected species. I never heard that before.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  Nope. Kill them in the U.S. Kill them all. In the Pacific, they're not an issue because they have natural predators.

• 1:21:30Speaker 04

  That was the first thing I thought when somebody mentioned going iguana hunting in Florida.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  Because, you know, in in my mind, I'm like, okay, I have not really seen a whole lot of iguanas in my life.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  You figure like that sounds exotic, should be protected. I had no idea that they were a massively invasive species.

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  This was crazy about a lot. Hogs are a good example of, oh, were you just wasting their corpses? That's not right. And you're like, no. If we don't kill seven hundred out of a million, if you kill seven hundred and fifty thousand of them, a million by the next breeding season. That's wild. It's like, hey, no, we have to curb the whole. Or essentially.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  And that's why you always see the videos of dudes just having fun with them just on a truck with like a fifty maybe, just like plowing them down. I'm a big. They fuck up like especially Texas, the agriculture in Texas, they fuck everything up. And there's so many people online. It's like, you're not even eating them. That that thing's like, no, no, no, they need to go.

• 1:22:27Speaker 04

  I'm a big animal lover.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  They are worth eating. Like I did a lot of my, when I learned to hunt, a lot of it was on hog. And the meat, if you if you process it well, it's good meat.

• 1:22:37Speaker 04

  Depends where you're at too, I think.

• 1:22:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, if they're eating trash.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  Well, that's true. Yeah.

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  And again, it is so many you have to kill just to maintain the equilibrium of that species. Like and hogs, you can't eat everyone. You'd be fucked.

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  I'm gonna, I'm a big animal lover. Like I don't like to kill for the sake of killing, you know, that sort of thing. Like I'm I'm down for hunting, but like I feel, you know, I feel a little empathy for the animal. Hogs, I feel nothing. Like those are just less than living creatures. Yeah. The first time you see one gore or golden retriever, like all bets are off. You're like, fuck you.

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  We stab dogs.

• 1:23:13Speaker 04

  Imagine. Yeah.

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  I forgot about that.

• 1:23:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, we did the the knife hunt with the dogs and everything like that.

• 1:23:18Speaker 02

  That was my first time ever hunting.

• 1:23:20Speaker 04

  Dang.

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  Knives.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  Knives.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  They make the best squeals.

• 1:23:24Speaker 04

  You know, we have technology for this now.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  Nah, it felt good.

• 1:23:30Speaker 03

  We're going back.

• 1:23:31Speaker 04

  Cause he's like, I. We go to Florida. We go to Florida for this hunt and I'm like, oh, so like, what kind of hunting have you done? Cause this was years ago. We went down there. I'm like, oh, so like, what's your experience hunting? He's like, I've never done.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  With a knife.

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  He's like, I've never gone hunting before. I'm like, oh shit. Well, this is gonna be a hell of an intro. Like, most people start with deer, you know, duck, dove, something like that. You're like, no, bowie knife, hog.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was cool shit.

• 1:24:00Speaker 04

  I mean, it's.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  I was, I was very adverse to hunting, um, because when I was like 14, I got shot in the face with a bow.

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  It's like, I really didn't want to go around hunting.

• 1:24:10Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. We had a hole in the bow. Wow.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I got a little hole right there. So I did, I never really hunted and we go down there, which was hilarious, because it was me and you, Kentucky ballistics.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  And Chuck Liddell.

• 1:24:24Speaker 04

  It was a wild crew. And they walked into bar? Is this a punchline?

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Oh, we walked into a couple of bars.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  I bet you didn't.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, they had, uh, they had the fucking pits with a cavalier, so the the hogs didn't gore them. And the pits would like grab by its face and hold it down. And you just got this big fucking bowie knife and you just shank it.

• 1:24:45Speaker 04

  I remember feeling kind of bad because I like, I'd never hunted with dogs before in my life. Like, that always seemed a little like, I don't know. I'm, I'm conflicted about this and.

• 1:24:54Speaker 03

  Have you seen nature?

• 1:24:56Speaker 04

  Well, you know, to train, train dogs to fight. Well, for one, like if you're, you're having, I don't know. I just, I have certain reservations, but.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

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• 1:25:08Speaker 04

  Being on the no fly list. Pops.

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  I was thinking more about the luggage and what it can carry.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  Oh, the luggage. Yep, yep.

• 1:25:16Speaker 03

  Like, you know, it's like easy to break into your luggage or not bright and colorful or pink. It's just a me thing.

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• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  And then I watched one of these dogs get fucking tossed like 15 feet by this pig. And I'm new to this world. I'm like, oh shit, like, is the dog okay? Dog smacks the ground, rolls, gets up.

• 1:27:04Speaker 04

  And it's just like, he's having the best fucking day of his life. Like this is what they're, they're made for and they love it.

• 1:27:08Speaker 03

  And Chuck Liddell is like, I recognize that.

• 1:27:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  The dog was Chuck Liddell.

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  Chuck came running on all fours.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  They both panted the same. You guys all went first.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  And then they, I ended up with the biggest goddamn pig ever.

• 1:27:27Speaker 04

  When, when they got your pig, cause like that took a minute for you to kill it. Cause it was a big fucker.

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  I was hitting it right where it should have been. Like I know where a heart is and I'm just digging and just like fucking just stabbing this thing.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  It's a hell of a sound.

• 1:27:41Speaker 03

  I'm pretty happy to just stick with a rifle, I think.

• 1:27:44Speaker 04

  Well, see, that was the thing. When they, when they butchered his pig, uh, they were like, they recognized it. They were like, we knew, we knew this was on property. Like we, he was a mean fucker. Um, so they have these cartilage plates on their shoulders and they, they peeled the plate out. It had, um, healed up buckshot in it where people have tried to take this fucker down with a shotgun.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  It had other pigs tusks in it, like buckshot. Like it had tons of shit in it.

• 1:28:09Speaker 03

  Wow. Pigs, I dude, that was the first time it was flying in a little helicopter, shooting one. I was like, maybe I'm missing. Cause it was a big one. Just fucking, just charging ta, ta, ta, ta. I'm probably missing cause it's not falling. I aim up just a smidge. I'm like, maybe, I don't know. Let's figure out. Boom. I see dirt. I'm like, I'm hitting this motherfucker in the side and it is just sprinting. It's like, okay, let's aim a little forward. It dropped, but they will eat. And that was a, that was a seven, six, two. That was a AK round. Yeah.

• 1:28:44Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no.

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  Seven, six, two by thirty nine. Yeah. And I was just and it was just full charging, eight, 10, 15 rounds aimed up, seen the dirt kicked up, readjusted. That was the only thing that put it down.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, shit.

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  Those, those, uh, their little armor plates essentially.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  They're bone. It's here.

• 1:29:04Speaker 02

  It's fucking nasty.

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  Eat bullets all day long. Like, uh, uh, so with your, okay. So you don't watch gun YouTube. What would you watch if you actually, or are you like, I just work? I just like, I like my work. Yeah. No shit. That was twenty four seven. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah.

• 1:29:23Speaker 03

  What do you do for fun other than make your

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Scooba.

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  More work. That is your fun time, which is now also work.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Occasionally I do other stuff, but it's usually going to be like history oriented in some way. Cause that's what interests me.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Couple of friends and I went to East Falkland and hiked the, the British paratrooper y oomph across East Falkland a couple of years ago. Like that was a vacation. That was fun.

• 1:29:50Speaker 04

  You seem, you do seem to be traveled like as far as.

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Sixty miles, a hundred kilometers.

• 1:29:55Speaker 04

  You, you, you guys hiked the whole thing?

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, we rocked it.

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  That's why when he said, that's my vacation. I was like, how many miles was this vacation? Sixty miles.

• 1:30:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause like you seem to get across Europe, all over the place. Like just going to a bunch of like historically significant places.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  I have. Yeah. I've worked up some really good relationships with a bunch of collectors and organizations in Europe. You know, a lot of, we have a tremendous number of cool guns here, but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't exist here and it does exist in Europe. And so I'd spend time in both places.

• 1:30:29Speaker 04

  I'm actually not sure the answer to this. Have you been to the Zastava factory?

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  No, I have not. I've been to HS product a couple of times in Croatia, but I have not actually been to Serbia.

• 1:30:40Speaker 04

  And I know that kind of their claim to fame is, and maybe this is true, but I, I heard it was true that they still have from the, the war in the nineties. They still have a crater in their, the campus of their, their factory.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I totally believe that. I don't know for sure, but that's a thousand percent plausible.

• 1:30:59Speaker 04

  So historically, the breakup of Yugoslavia was not exactly peaceful. Um, and so the Zostava arms factory is in Serbia and they apparently were being shelled during that time. And there's a giant fucking crater that's still in the campus of that arms factory where you get like Zostava, like M seventies, M seventy sevens, whatever, like those AK variants in the States. They're still made in Serbia at that factory.

• 1:31:22Speaker 03

  No shit. It's fucking wild. So with what would be your dream museum or gun library to check out or do a video on?

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  Right now, probably the one at the top of my list is the German Army Technical Museum in a town called Koblenz in Germany. And I've actually tried getting, making some contacts there. And it seems like there's German government bureaucracy that it's probably not going to really work well. But it is an amazing collection with a ton of weird, interesting World War II stuff. German and other. Why do you think they're giving you pushback on that? Because they're a government. Okay. Because I want to go into the back rooms of a German military small arms facility and play with stuff. And, you know, das ist nicht possible. We should, we should talk to some guys about that.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  I know. That's why I'm like, I'd rather just hear like, hey, here's my one, two, and three. And then we can see what is possible from those one, two, and threes.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  The thing with collections like that. So first off, with museums, I basically, it's irrelevant to me what's on display at the museum. Because I'm not going to be able to film it. Because they're not going to disassemble the museum display for me to come in and do video. And museums usually display the most common stuff. They're going to display the things that people will recognize. You go into the US Marine Corps Museum, you want to see M16s, M60s, M1 Garrens, 1911s. You don't necessarily want to, like, no one's going to recognize the McLean gun that they've got in the back. That is the original predecessor to the Lewis. Only two ever existed. It looks like a sci fi prop. And it doesn't, and it doesn't really work.

• 1:33:07Speaker 03

  Now, I'm pulling out my phone.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  But they've got one.

• 1:33:10Speaker 03

  What's it called?

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  McLean. M C C L E A N. Mick. Clean.

• 1:33:17Speaker 03

  Rifle?

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  That's the stuff that I'm going to go to.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Right?

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's that steampunk shit I like from the turn of the century. That's fucking crazy.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  What the fuck?

• 1:33:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  Cue.

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Add more parts, more parts. What?

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  So, so for example, the US Marine Corps Museum has or had one of those.

• 1:33:39Speaker 03

  More springs.

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  That's what I want to go film. So I have to get into the back of a museum. And depending on who owns it, there's going to be various regulations. If it's a military facility, there's usually very formal, strict regulations on how, you know, you need a security clearance or you need some sort of permission from somebody. And so these always basically come down to personal connections. I need to find someone who I can speak to personally at a facility who can either authorize it or get authorization on my behalf.

• 1:34:11Speaker 04

  Eli, do you want to tell the story?

• 1:34:13Speaker 03

  I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at. It looks like a, as you said, steampunk sci-fi. It looks like it can weld something.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  I think you can breathe underwater with it.

• 1:34:23Speaker 03

  As a giant spring. Like.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  But you can see the magazine on there. You can see the, the origin of a few of the little bits.

• 1:34:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Dude, that's wild.

• 1:34:33Speaker 04

  That looks like something straight out of Bioshock.

• 1:34:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:35Speaker 04

  Um, but Eli, do you want to tell the story about, uh, fucking Ethan habitual? Which habitually fat?

• 1:34:41Speaker 03

  On which one?

• 1:34:43Speaker 04

  Access to a museum.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  Which movie? Oh, oh, actually the, uh.

• 1:34:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think there was a, what was that? Fort, that was in Oklahoma.

• 1:34:52Speaker 03

  But that was Fort Seal. That was the guys having an issue where they had clearance to go to this museum that is open to the public. And they're like, okay, hey, can we get on base? He cleared it with everyone weeks in advance and then they get there.

• 1:35:08Speaker 04

  People fly in from three different places to make this happen.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  This is also a shoreline crosser, right? Who military give Nick prior military. And then they're, then they, yeah, and full fin. Yeah.

• 1:35:20Speaker 03

  Camera guy. But like all three, okay, it's been cleared.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:35:24Speaker 03

  Everything's good to go. You're allowed on base and you can film this. So day of what happens is, hey. We are landing, we show up, oh no, we can't do that. It's like, why, why not? Oh, we need to get Jag involved. Why? Well, you have a whole bunch of followers. So, well, this could look bad on us.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  Wait, we didn't think anyone was gonna actually watch you.

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was like, oh, well, you have a bunch of followers. So now you could actually damage our reputation. So you cannot be seen doing this. And then they pulled it.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  The military guys that would make the military look good, the dudes who were in our, our end at the moment, which is fucking wild.

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  This will look good. This is great PR. This is great. Everything. If you let this happen. And then, no.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  I had a gun factory that I arranged a very similar sort of thing. Like, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna spend three days filming. And I'm gonna get all sorts of cool content about this company's old, like, you guys would love them. Brandon would love them.

• 1:36:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're the gun guy.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I flew there and I got in and, and I'm like, all right, so where should I set up? And they're like, set up for what? I'm like, for filming. And they're like, oh, that's not possible. And I'm like, what? Like, why am I here? And I flew home. And I've had that happen once.

• 1:36:47Speaker 03

  Holy shit, you actually flew there and they were like, oh no, we can't.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  And it ended, yeah. And they're like, oh no, you can't film anything.

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  So the guys that

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  I'm like

• 1:36:56Speaker 03

  Actually

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:36:58Speaker 03

  They were turned away at the gate. I called, I knew nothing about this other than Nick. I called Nick, he's like, hey, how goes filming? And he was like

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  So funny story about that.

• 1:37:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, we got turned away, but we have a solution. We're driving an hour down south. We'll film there. There's a museum, blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, fucking hold the fuck on. Let me make a call. And thankfully, we have great relationships with the highest people in the military. And I just told them the situation. I was like, hey, this is stupid as fuck. And they agreed. They called and instantly, Nick's like, uh, they are allowing us back on base and giving us personal too. I don't know what happened. I was like, well.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  I needed that connection and I didn't have it.

• 1:37:41Speaker 03

  That connection's very helpful because they seen the big picture. It's like, this just looks good. Like across the board, this looks way better than, hey, we just turned these people away. Because the people that turned you away, when you got there. Does not

• 1:37:55Speaker 01

  Oh, I have a, I have a very adversarial. Well, I don't think they know it, but I have a very adversarial relationship with them now.

• 1:38:02Speaker 04

  We can cut this part from the podcast, but who was it?

• 1:38:04Speaker 01

  I'll tell you later when we're off camera. I don't, I want to go back there and like the content's too good for me to just

• 1:38:11Speaker 04

  Burn a bridge.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  To burn it.

• 1:38:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:12Speaker 01

  Uh, so I don't want to say who it is, but I've only had that happen once. Um,

• 1:38:17Speaker 03

  What did they think they were doing?

• 1:38:18Speaker 01

  I have no idea. I honestly don't know. Um, I think part of it was the people who were making the decisions or the people, the people with the authority at that point were mid-level managerial sorts who didn't really like guns and didn't really, they didn't know who I was, what I was doing and didn't care. And like, I think it was

• 1:38:42Speaker 04

  The employee handbook says I'm not supposed to.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Right. And what do I have to gain from taking a risk on anything? If it'd been upper management?

• 1:38:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:50Speaker 01

  They would have looked at it, went, the chances are pretty good that our PR is going to come out better as a result of this. But you get down to the mid-level where it's like, if, if this turns out great, my boss gets credit.

• 1:39:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  And if it turns out terrible, I get fired. So, no.

• 1:39:07Speaker 04

  Ban people.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  That's most the government, frankly.

• 1:39:09Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, I was like, that is as government as it gets. So it's like, no, I don't want to take, nope, this is not worth the risk. I'm going to play it safe, get Jag involved.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  Honestly, what's so fantastic now is I've been doing this long enough and I've built enough of a reputation that most of the museum and gun people that I work with know who I am now. Like, and they've seen some of the work I've done and they're willing to hand me a one-off prototype and they're like, just don't break it, please. And

• 1:39:39Speaker 04

  And you really don't go after people. Like you, you don't do hit pieces.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:39:44Speaker 03

  Yet.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  I mean,

• 1:39:45Speaker 03

  When does that start?

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Like the closest thing I, that, one of the things I love is the vast majority of the work I do is with companies and designers who are dead and out of business.

• 1:39:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  Like, I don't have to worry about offending Paul Mauser because he's dead. You know.

• 1:40:02Speaker 04

  Is what it is.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it makes it really easy to to review guns without having like that that social pressure, personal relationship thing built into it.

• 1:40:12Speaker 04

  I prefer it because you know, there's a lot of people like, oh, you're just reporting on it this way because you you have a personal vendetta against Sig. Nobody accuses me of that for schmeizer.

• 1:40:21Speaker 01

  Right, exactly.

• 1:40:22Speaker 04

  Really easy. I understand why you stick with what you do.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I've had some that are tough, like a good example is full conceal. Do you remember them?

• 1:40:30Speaker 04

  I remember them.

• 1:40:31Speaker 01

  I I did not. I actually have a video coming on a full conceal. I bought it.

• 1:40:37Speaker 04

  Now that they're a forgotten weapon.

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  Almost immediately when they went out of business, I bought one.

• 1:40:41Speaker 04

  What is this?

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  It's a folding Glock.

• 1:40:44Speaker 04

  You probably remember those.

• 1:40:45Speaker 03

  My god.

• 1:40:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 03

  Oh, man, that is so recent, too.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was cool. I saw him at shot show. It was a neat idea, but like, it's so not going to work. It's I know it's not going to work. And I cannot in any sort of good faith, do some sort of publicity on it that says that it's a good idea. Because it's not.

• 1:41:05Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:41:05Speaker 01

  And so I don't I I don't want to get too hubristic here, but I don't want to be the guy who does a video on it and kills this little company. So I'm just gonna wait because I know you guys are gonna go out of business and then I'll cover it.

• 1:41:19Speaker 03

  And they did.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  And they did. And I just I did a backup gun match with a full conceal this summer and the video is coming.

• 1:41:24Speaker 04

  How much was it?

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  It was like 600 bucks or something.

• 1:41:27Speaker 04

  That's really not bad.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  No, it was it was basically the price of a regular Glock 19.

• 1:41:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  At the time, you could just pull out.

• 1:41:36Speaker 04

  Did you? Did you see those?

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Like said, the folding Glock? Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. It's like, it's kind of the same price. It's one you could just pull out of your waistband.

• 1:41:43Speaker 04

  The crazy part was they're less concealable than a Glock in a good holster.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:50Speaker 04

  It's like, oh, yeah, you just put it in your pocket.

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like intended for cargo pants pockets. Because you can just drop it in there when you wouldn't maybe take the time to put on a holster.

• 1:42:00Speaker 04

  So when you're being but when you're being the sheepdog that everybody doesn't recognize as the gray man, where you're wearing your Black Rifle Coffee t shirt, your 511 tactical pants and your, you know. Your Solomons with a high and tight and, you know, Oakley shades. Nobody knows you have a gun.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  To be fair, no one's going to expect that the gun's that blocky thing in the cargo pants pocket.

• 1:42:20Speaker 04

  Fair enough. Well, I mean, it's kind of a similar concept as like the FM nines and just like the folding, the B and T, stuff like that. I think they're really cool. I like them. Yeah. I, the only, the only good use I ever saw for those was, I don't know, I don't remember if it was like Future Weapons, some military channel shit like 10 years ago.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:40Speaker 04

  But the guy went to like a food court in the mall and had it out there on the table as if it was like his backup reserve battery for his laptop.

• 1:42:49Speaker 01

  Cause that was sort of a thing at one point in that sort of form. Yeah.

• 1:42:53Speaker 04

  But nobody knew it. He's just like, yeah, I was just sitting here with a machine gun on the table for three hours, eating my Chick-fil-A and nobody paid any attention. I'm like, that's kind of neat. But I don't know if there's a purpose.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  Would you ever? Yeah, exactly. When would you ever fucking need that?

• 1:43:08Speaker 04

  You know what we're talking about, right? The little like the square, like the fold out machine guns, like machine guns.

• 1:43:12Speaker 02

  Didn't Kevin have one?

• 1:43:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, he did actually have one of the, uh, the prototypes. Um, I'm, I'm blanking on exactly what it was, but it was one of like nine that was made.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was, someone like found all of those and discovered they were transferable still.

• 1:43:26Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  It was some, uh, the FM, FMBG nine, FMG nine, something. Yeah. It was one of those folding guns. Like, I think they just were sitting in some collection or some company stockroom or something. So the thing with Valmet was Valmet as a company tried to, they convinced the Finnish army, like, we should try this stamped thing because it'll be cheaper and you'll pay less for your guns. And the Finnish army was like, oh, pay less. We like the sound of that. Okay. Give it a try.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Ian, when, when was this?

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Uh, 76.

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  Right, 1970s. Um, cause they started developing it a little bit earlier. Um, they actually, how deep do you want me to get into this?

• 1:44:08Speaker 04

  Go for it. I'm, I'm fucking here. I don't actually know this, a lot about this.

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  We're having a masterclass on this right now.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  So here is, and by the way, I know this because I am currently working on a book on Finnish small arms, including development of Finnish AKs.

• 1:44:22Speaker 04

  What's the name of it?

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  It is called Forged in Snow and it is currently on Kickstarter.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  It's a really good name, actually.

• 1:44:28Speaker 01

  It's a super cool looking cover with a, yeah. Yeah, I'd spend some time on that.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  But yeah, it covers.

• 1:44:35Speaker 04

  Where can we, where can we find links to this? Because I would like to buy one.

• 1:44:38Speaker 01

  Kickstarter. I can give you the link.

• 1:44:43Speaker 03

  We'll put it down below.

• 1:44:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. That'd be awesome.

• 1:44:45Speaker 04

  Would love to do that. So I will be clicking, clicking the links in the description and in the pinned comment of this episode.

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:44:51Speaker 04

  Because I would really like to see that.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  So it's not just AKs. It covers Finnish manufactured military small arms. So 1918 through basically present day. But of course, the AK is a big part of that. And what's funny is from the very beginning, when the Finns are adopting the AK, one of, one of the only questions that there's real debate about is do we have aperture sights or notch sights? Do we use the standard AK notch? Or do we put an aperture back on the end of the dust cover? And it comes down to like, the aperture is more accurate, but it's not as good in low light. And if you get it filled with mud or snow, it's hard to clean out. You get a notch sight full of mud, it's easier to like, wipe it out, get it usable.

• 1:45:36Speaker 04

  That and if you do like the Galeal route where it's on the dust cover, it's less reliable, just because you have the, the motion on the dust cover, like it's, it, the return to zero is questionable.

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  It's interesting that that never seemed to really be an issue for the Finns. And I think part of it was they had, they expected relatively short engagement ranges. Like during the winter war, they used very few scoped rifles, because they were usually, you know, they're in forests.

• 1:46:02Speaker 03

  So did they get open, like my, without any knowledge, I would have chosen open sight because, okay, we just need quick acquisition if it's close.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  And that's why you're not an officer.

• 1:46:14Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:46:16Speaker 01

  They went with aperture.

• 1:46:17Speaker 03

  Really? No shit? Even for close engagements? They're like, no, we're gonna use.

• 1:46:21Speaker 04

  So if I want to engage people at 50 yards, I want to make sure most of my vision of the target is obscured.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  So, no, no. They, they came up with a solution to this. And it's on your Valmet.

• 1:46:31Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  They added night sights.

• 1:46:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  Five years or so after, after they started production, the night sight is a notch. You take the aperture rear sight leaf and you flip it 180 degrees forward.

• 1:46:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:46:43Speaker 01

  And you've got a big open notch. And that was for night fighting, but it also was a good solution for close quarters, for urban, for I'm in really tight brush.

• 1:46:55Speaker 01

  And it was recognized as being a dual purpose thing.

• 1:46:58Speaker 04

  No shit.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  At any rate, as we go forward a little bit, um, in the 1970s, Valmet decided to make a run of stamped receiver guns with traditional AK style sights. Cause there was still this argument, even though they'd adopted apertures, there was still an argument in the Finnish military that we would have been better off with open sights. And so Valmet convinced them to like, let's give it a try, you know, test the apertures against this new open site gun that we have that we want to sell you. That's the M71. It's notable because it gets used, I think in Red Dawn.

• 1:47:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  They end up selling them in the U S as semi-auto commercial guns. And they're like the closest thing you can get to an actual commie block AK at first.

• 1:47:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause that was, uh, what they used for, I think the, uh, a lot of the guns in Red Dawn for like the RPKs and shit like that. That are like, they're dressing it up for guns. You can't get in the States. Cause you forget like in, in 1983 or whenever Red Dawn was filmed, because it came out in 84, you couldn't get shit like that. So you could get Egyptian Ma'atis and you can get Valmet's. And that's what they used.

• 1:48:02Speaker 01

  And that's also why we have no surplus Carcano ammo, but we'll get into that later.

• 1:48:05Speaker 04

  I'm curious where you're going with that.

• 1:48:07Speaker 01

  So Valmet spends a couple of years developing their own stamped sheet metal receiver, essentially their own AKM, but they don't have the technical plans for the AKM. They have to do it themselves. They put this open notch sight on it. They give it to the army and the army testing goes, yeah, we're good. Like actually we'll take the one we had. So they go, oh shit. Okay. And that's when they start moving it to the civilian market. Maybe we can sell these as a semi-auto gun to civilians in Europe and in the U S. But they convinced the army to give them a try making the original pattern rifles, but now with stamped receivers, because it'll be cheaper. They do it for five years and they come to the conclusion that the stamping stamped receiver actually gives them no benefit. It's less durable.

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  I mean, the Finnish army is a conscript army. Everyone does mandatory service with a small cohort of full-time professionals so that if someone, Russia, invades, they call up all the reservists. They've got half a million men in the army.

• 1:49:10Speaker 01

  But you give eighteen-year-old conscript recruits stamped sheet metal AKs, and they do dumb shit with them, and they get bent or dented in ways that a solid chunk of steel receiver cannot get dented.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  It's like a US Marine. Like, you'll unravel bar bearings.

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  I had someone send me a video recently of some Swedish soldiers using their Sturmgever Nineties, their PE Nineties, as pogo sticks.

• 1:49:43Speaker 03

  When you're in the military, you beat the shit out of your weapon. I will, my M4, that's when I got no new weapons or anything when I bought in the civilian market. I would treat it the same way. It's like, oh, if I can jam.

• 1:49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:58Speaker 03

  If I can just stomp it to unjam, I was like, man, this is what I did. This is how I learned. I can do the exact same.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  You pogo stick it.

• 1:50:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  Exactly. We pogo stick our guns all the time.

• 1:50:10Speaker 01

  The running joke about. No, no, I mean pogo stick. I mean.

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  The bayonet lug and the front sight blade to stand on and hold the buttstock and jump on it.

• 1:50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:21Speaker 03

  Still, I bet it worked afterwards.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, every gun that Kevin brings in gives us, I like to pogo stick test it.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  Speaking of which, I found the photo.

• 1:50:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:32Speaker 03

  That was the one where they still, they disguised that. It's like the folding machine gun.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, from, was it Robocop? I think it was. Yeah, yeah, it's got the radio antenna on it because it was supposed to be back then. It was a radio, not a backup battery for your laptop.

• 1:50:48Speaker 03

  I remember that. Yeah, I remember Kevin bringing that, showing that.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  And then he stole my Hitler locket.

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  As one has, naturally.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  And a rifle grenade launcher on a star.

• 1:50:59Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:51:01Speaker 01

  It was an old school.

• 1:51:03Speaker 04

  Oh, that's an old suppressor. Yeah.

• 1:51:05Speaker 01

  And then he had the.

• 1:51:06Speaker 04

  Double says rifle grenade launcher though.

• 1:51:08Speaker 03

  Was it a machine gun he brought out?

• 1:51:09Speaker 04

  Oh, the Stoner sixty three.

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:11Speaker 04

  He had a Stoner sixty three A.

• 1:51:13Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:51:13Speaker 02

  I love the Rafiki though, dude.

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  That thing was cool. That was my favorite counter strike gun.

• 1:51:20Speaker 04

  Fun, um, fun fact about Red Dawn, though. I was talking about this little, uh, the other day because we, we just buried my grandfather. And.

• 1:51:29Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:51:29Speaker 04

  The, the town that he lived in, in New Mexico, uh, was actually the exact same town that they filmed the original Red Dawn in. So it was Las Vegas, New Mexico. And it's funny because there's still a bunch of shit around that town where they, they still have the mural of like the cowgirl up on the side of the building. They have in the town museum, they have the original plaque where the Russian reads it wrong. It's like, oh yes, great general. Teddy Roosevelt, uh, killed many savages here, like that whole thing. Like they have the, the original plaque and everything like the whole town. Like you could just look around like you're just driving to get tacos or something. You're like, hey, wait a minute. That's where they blew up the train station.

• 1:52:10Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:52:10Speaker 03

  What, uh, so with everything you do now, what is some of the weapons that are your favorite? Like, okay, this is, I know you have your own collection. What would be your favorite in your collection?

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  I don't really have a favorite in my own collection.

• 1:52:22Speaker 03

  You liar. That's what people say about their kids.

• 1:52:25Speaker 01

  So the thing is, the thing is, what interests me is new and interest is novel. Like if I've had it for a long time, I'm less interested in it because I feel like, well, I kind of know about that.

• 1:52:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:52:36Speaker 01

  Not a lot to go back and find about it. And so my favorite thing at any given time will be something that I've gotten in the last month. Or filmed or worked on or, and then over time that kind of fades. So like, ooh, I want to find something new and different.

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  Just like kids.

• 1:52:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:52:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. This one. I've had this one sixteen years. I need to make another one.

• 1:52:57Speaker 04

  All right, Leonardo DiCaprio. I had this one for two years. Time to trade out.

• 1:53:03Speaker 01

  So that, that helps me in a business sense in that I'm not always focused on the same thing. Like, oh, I filmed that one last week. Now let's go find something new and different. And finding something new and different is actually what interests me.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  What, what's your dream? What, what's your dream thing that you want to do a video on?

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  Honestly, at this point, it's something underwater. It's either an APS or an HKP11. Either one of those would be pretty awesome.

• 1:53:34Speaker 04

  HKP11?

• 1:53:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I filmed an HKP11. That's a fun story.

• 1:53:39Speaker 04

  Have you filmed with an APS yet?

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:53:41Speaker 04

  I've, I've never actually. There are any that exist outside of Russia.

• 1:53:45Speaker 01

  There have to be. The thing that I kick myself at still.

• 1:53:49Speaker 04

  Oh, God, the APS underwater rifle?

• 1:53:51Speaker 01

  10 years ago, at a gun show, I kid you not.

• 1:53:56Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:53:57Speaker 03

  That looks like one of the fucking, like the tranquilizer guns in Metal Gear Solid. Like, this looks like.

• 1:54:04Speaker 04

  Full shot rounds too. There's a little dart.

• 1:54:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that thing's crazy. It's 545, but with a big nail instead of a bullet.

• 1:54:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's the only weapon that will actually shoot underwater that is good for like 20 feet or something crazy like that.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  I kid you not, 10 years ago, I found a spam can of APS ammo at a gun show.

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:54:23Speaker 01

  And I didn't know, and I didn't.

• 1:54:25Speaker 03

  Why the?

• 1:54:25Speaker 01

  I don't even remember how much it was. It was partly that I know it was expensive, but I kick myself every day for not buying that.

• 1:54:34Speaker 04

  So one. To be fair, what the fuck do you do with it?

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  That's, that was the thing. Why would I spend? I mean, it was probably like a thousand dollars at the time.

• 1:54:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:54:40Speaker 01

  Which was a tremendous amount of money. And what am I, like, APS? There's none of those outside of Russia. What am I gonna do with that?

• 1:54:47Speaker 03

  And now you're like, fuck!

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Pretty much, yeah.

• 1:54:49Speaker 03

  Damn it!

• 1:54:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could have had.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  So what I do have is a case of 9x39. Cause when that came in, I remember the APS ammo. I'm like, I don't have a gun. I don't know if they're ever gonna come out with a gun. I'm buying a case of that ammo.

• 1:55:04Speaker 04

  And then 9x39 very quickly went from like 80 cents a round to like five bucks.

• 1:55:08Speaker 01

  It was one batch that someone imported.

• 1:55:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  And that was it.

• 1:55:11Speaker 04

  Was it the Wolf stuff?

• 1:55:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've got a bunch of that too. Wolf and Tula. And then I've got like a couple like the SP6, SP5.

• 1:55:17Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:55:18Speaker 04

  I only have a couple because you know they're fucking expensive.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:21Speaker 03

  That's a fucking wild looking.

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's a Derringer essentially. It has a removable barrel cluster of five shots and they're all pre-sealed. So that they're waterproof. They make, they make above water and below water barrel clusters with different projectiles.

• 1:55:39Speaker 04

  That is so German.

• 1:55:40Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. And the Germans will not tell you anything about them because they are still secret, very secret. Dude, I, I.

• 1:55:49Speaker 04

  So secret, they make them on DeviantArt.

• 1:55:51Speaker 01

  And so secret that they're in HK's own book about HK, but HK won't say anything. And I asked an HK guy if I could get one and he, he didn't just say like, no, I can't let you see one. He said, oh, it's not possible. You can't film one of those. Like that's secret. It's, it's not possible. In this very Germanic mindset and.

• 1:56:15Speaker 04

  That American psycho. Why isn't it possible? You stupid bastard.

• 1:56:19Speaker 01

  And I took that personally and six weeks later published a video on a P7.

• 1:56:23Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:56:24Speaker 01

  So, or a P11.

• 1:56:25Speaker 04

  Well, yeah.

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:26Speaker 03

  Well, the fucking the Famas, what you were saying about the Famas is what was wild to me.

• 1:56:31Speaker 04

  Hmm. You want to say that again in front of a microphone?

• 1:56:33Speaker 03

  It is. Earlier we were talking and it is the Famas. I didn't realize it had that trigger or not the trigger, but the.

• 1:56:40Speaker 01

  The joystick, the little computer control thing with the, the giant DVR cable coming out of it.

• 1:56:46Speaker 04

  Cause it's like a Famas D or something like that. It's like a different variant.

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  Fuck are you guys talking about? F E L I N. I know what a Famas is, but. Metal Gear Solid Gun. I know what a Famas is. So, so in the nineties, basically, most of the major militaries in the world knew that computers were a thing. And they came up with these super futuristic programs where we were going to computerize soldiers. Like objective combat warrior, future combat warrior, those, either of those ring a bell?

• 1:57:17Speaker 03

  Future combat warrior.

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  Like you're gonna have a little flip down transparent display screen and a little computer that shows you where all your squad buddies are and you can look at your gun in the screen or your buddies, all that stuff.

• 1:57:28Speaker 03

  What was like the HK weapon, that that massive one that we were going to do, what's the big one with like?

• 1:57:35Speaker 01

  OICW.

• 1:57:37Speaker 03

  That like?

• 1:57:38Speaker 01

  The objective infantry combat weapon. Yeah, it was a 556 carbine and a 25mm grenade launcher.

• 1:57:42Speaker 03

  Yes, but it had that same cable system and you could aim out and shoot without sticking your head out. Hey, I have a.

• 1:57:49Speaker 01

  The French actually did it and they came out with a version of the Famas that had this monstrous football sized scope on it. That was a night vision scope and a magnified scope and a camera and it had a display screen and you could hold the gun around a corner and see where it was aiming and record video on it and all this stuff. And it actually had a cable that plugged into the rifle because instead of the regular pistol grip lower on the rifle, you got a vertical front grip with a four button control pad to manipulate the technical capabilities of the computerized scope. And a small number of those parts kits have actually come into the US, including that they don't have the scope, but they've got that front grip, lower assembly and the cable.

• 1:58:34Speaker 03

  Which I'd never heard of fucking at. I know Famas, that was the first time he showed me. I was like, I have never seen this fucking thing before in my. I saw one come up the other day.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  They're the post rock has them. They're like $7,000 for the kits.

• 1:58:47Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 1:58:47Speaker 01

  Far too much.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  But I was like, that makes me think of like, we want to create something futuristic. Nintendo came out with the power glove.

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  Instead of using a controller, it's like kind of the same concept. It's like people can play video games better with this power glove. And it was the worst fucking shit ever.

• 1:59:02Speaker 03

  Oh, I guarantee soldiers, dude, anytime we're in the military. Actually, when I was in the military, I remember I got to go to one of the meeting of future weapons and it was, hey, we're building these suits for you guys to carry more. A heavier Batteries. Yeah, so you could go into combat and last longer. And that's all we talked about. So of course they just want to add weight to us. So we have to fight longer. Like what dude, now you can carry like eight thousand pounds at any given time. And these legs will do like eighty percent of the walking. Till they break. And then you're going to have to do the rest. And I was like, this is stupid. This is just so we have to work harder, but the machine does it.

• 1:59:44Speaker 03

  Private Eli is stuck in his exoskeleton on the side of a dirt road. Just like, oh fuck, man. Legs are still walking though. I'm like, get one out. And it's like, no. Just taking me to war.

• 1:59:59Speaker 03

  They're still shooting at me. I want to go for cover.

• 2:00:03Speaker 01

  The motherfuckers, as soon as those fucking electronics fail, so do your femurs.

• 2:00:12Speaker 03

  Dude, it was one of those heavy ass cables coming from the FAMAS. I was like, that is one of those big cables. That is a heavy platform that this future soldier is going to have to carry into combat at any given time.

• 2:00:23Speaker 01

  So what's neat about it is in order to do that, they had to come up with a way to mount a scope on a FAMAS. Which the FAMAS was one of those, it was in that generation of rifles. It was developed before optics were a universal sort of thing. And it's got a carry handle slash really it's protective handle for the protector for the charging handle. That's not meant, it's flimsy. It's plastic. It's not meant to be structural. But that's kind of the only thing you can mount optics on. So they kind of do it. It's a cludge. And in order for this new computerized system to work, they redesigned the upper of the rifle to give it a solid mounted Picatinny rail. That's a little bit lower. And that's actually worthwhile. So what tended to happen is they issued the Feline stuff.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  A bit and most guys hated it because it was heavy and clunky and just garbage.

• 2:01:13Speaker 03

  Fucking surprise. But you can't scrim with that?

• 2:01:15Speaker 01

  But if you take it off and you like put an Eotech on the rail instead. Now you got the pretty decent system.

• 2:01:23Speaker 01

  And it was, I think they made 25,000 of them.

• 2:01:26Speaker 04

  Oh shit.

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:27Speaker 04

  It's more than I would have thought.

• 2:01:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they're, they're not bad. The, the charging handle is a little janky because I had to kind of clutch it to make it work in a low, with a lower rail. But what's really cool about those parts kits is they give you a way to mount an optic reliably on the gun. And actually they include a rail, an even lower rail up front for a laser, which was also a thing at the time.

• 2:01:49Speaker 03

  This is Cody, this is the weapon that has a three round burst and then a 25 round mag.

• 2:01:55Speaker 04

  It bothers me so much. I know you have a defensive.

• 2:01:58Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't, I don't, I don't have a defense. I have an explanation in two phases. So first off.

• 2:02:04Speaker 03

  Well, first off, fuck you.

• 2:02:05Speaker 01

  25 rounds is the most you can put in a 556 magazine without curving it.

• 2:02:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:02:10Speaker 01

  The original AR-15 mags are 25 rounds. The Famas mags are 25 rounds. That's why. Any longer than that, you need weirder stamping because it's got to have a bend in it. The Famas did not have a burst mechanism until very shortly before adoption. The whole development process was safe semi-full.

• 2:02:28Speaker 04

  That is the first thing that has ever been explained to me about that. That makes sense.

• 2:02:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then it like, they adopted version seven at version six. They're like, oh, and also we want to burst. And two rounds is too few and four rounds is too much. Three round burst is the thing. Put in a three round burst. And that's where it came from.

• 2:02:45Speaker 03

  I think two is pretty cool. I think most combat, dude, I will, let me hear anyone that is going into combat, if you're going into the military at all, you will not use full auto fucking ever. You're going to be more effective.

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:58Speaker 03

  With single shots on target, you're going to have controlled pairs. And then your machine gun team, your open bolt weapon system, they are there to lay down fire. But again, that is to lay down fire and get heads down. It is not, I'm using through, unfortunately through round burst and then doing a control group at 300 yards. It just never fucking happened. That's why in Vietnam, they went from full auto to three round bursts, right? Like we went from a full auto weapon platform for the M16 to uh three round burst.

• 2:03:28Speaker 04

  Cause I don't know why they incorporated the burst.

• 2:03:30Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:03:31Speaker 03

  So this is from what we were told is because the massive waste of

• 2:03:36Speaker 04

  That makes sense.

• 2:03:36Speaker 03

  Ammunition and missing during Vietnam. We were just spraying because oh shit. Good God, trust me. I did that in combat. I put on three round burst and just let them fly because it's like, I'm going to die. So I didn't get as many bullets down there as possible. You're oh shit. I just gotta get their head down. So you just and then reload.

• 2:03:53Speaker 04

  My problem with the Famas was always that you have a 25, well, you, you, you developed a a weapon system that's completely independent of like Stanag magazines. Where you have a three round burst and a magazine that holds an indivisible amount by three.

• 2:04:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:04:09Speaker 04

  Which tha- that was always kind of my motherfuck with it. And I've heard people cope on the internet. They're like, no, no, no. You wanted to know you were out of ammo.

• 2:04:16Speaker 03

  No, that's all crap.

• 2:04:17Speaker 04

  It's so bullshit.

• 2:04:18Speaker 03

  It's total crap.

• 2:04:19Speaker 04

  It fucked with me so much. That was the first thing that like, oh, the burst track came later. I'm like, God.

• 2:04:23Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 2:04:24Speaker 04

  Now tracks.

• 2:04:24Speaker 01

  You know, there's a Stanag mag version of the Famas, right?

• 2:04:28Speaker 04

  I knew one existed. I've never seen them.

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the Navy bought tens of thousands of them. The French Navy did. It's the G2. The, the standard pattern is the F1. There was a G1 and then a G2 was the Navy version.

• 2:04:42Speaker 04

  Is it the Navy bought them? And I thought our Navy for a moment. I'm like, no, sadly.

• 2:04:45Speaker 01

  They're even gayer than I thought. You can recognize them because they're the Famas's that have the full hand uh trigger guard.

• 2:04:54Speaker 04

  Interesting. Okay.

• 2:04:55Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. I forgot that was a thing. And they look fucking stupid.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  So the thing is in the sixties and well, in the seventies, France was not part of NATO's uh military integration. They were in NATO.

• 2:05:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:05:08Speaker 01

  But what had happened was

• 2:05:10Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:05:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the whole fucking thing.

• 2:05:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:05:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:05:13Speaker 01

  So the Famas magazine doesn't have a, a hold open tab. So it's like a quarter inch shorter than Stanag, which is why you, you just can't adapt a Famas receiver to Stanag mags. It's too short.

• 2:05:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  Uh, in this, what 50s? God, I ought to know the history a little better than this, but essentially de Gaulle was presented with the idea that under NATO, French troops would be subordinate to US military command. And he wasn't a fan of that and said, how about here's my counter hover. We're leaving. So they, they left the military integration, which means when they developed the Famas. They're not Stanag. They just made the magazine that they wanted and that was it. In the nineties, things had changed a bit. They wanted to sell the Famas on the export market. That's where the G2 comes from. The export market is obviously going to require Stanag mags. They want to sell it to anyone else in Europe. And at that point, the French Navy needed some new guns anyway.

• 2:06:10Speaker 01

  And so they bought that model.

• 2:06:12Speaker 04

  So is it similar to kind of like the Styroag?

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:15Speaker 04

  Where they just like develop the Stanag after that and like?

• 2:06:17Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yep.

• 2:06:19Speaker 03

  I unfortunately have a Styroag that doesn't take Stanag mags.

• 2:06:23Speaker 04

  My, my intentionally.

• 2:06:25Speaker 03

  Mags and my girl, these are so expensive. I got one, two. That's good enough for me.

• 2:06:29Speaker 04

  I intentionally got one that wasn't Stanag because I love that like 42 rounder. So it's new. It's cool.

• 2:06:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. When they had an option like that, you've got to get it because Stanag is boring and normal.

• 2:06:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's like, I've got, how many guns do I have that take Stanag mags?

• 2:06:40Speaker 01

  Right. All of them.

• 2:06:41Speaker 04

  Weird shit. Yeah.

• 2:06:43Speaker 03

  I love the Famas. I know it's a piece of shit.

• 2:06:45Speaker 01

  No, no, no, you don't because it's not.

• 2:06:48Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry. Sorry.

• 2:06:50Speaker 01

  Everyone, see, the problem is everyone has this negative opinion of the French for all sorts of cultural reasons that.

• 2:06:55Speaker 03

  I didn't realize, just first off, I didn't realize during World War II, they thought they were going to hold that for a whole year longer. It was an actual surprise how fast the French lost to everyone. That wasn't, even the Germans were like.

• 2:07:10Speaker 04

  What? Meth has entered the chat.

• 2:07:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:13Speaker 03

  Dude, I did not know that was a giant reason why like all the French hate. It was how fast, like American generals. Everyone was like, they're going to hold off for at least, okay, they're gone.

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  Uh oh. Yeah.

• 2:07:26Speaker 03

  I was like, oh, I didn't know that part.

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  The problem is nobody's actually used a Famas because they're so rare and so expensive in this country. And if people had, they would realize that they are better in every way than the AUG.

• 2:07:36Speaker 04

  We are, well, to be fair, right out the gate, I believe that because the AUG is not really my favorite.

• 2:07:42Speaker 01

  No, it's not.

• 2:07:43Speaker 03

  I just want a fucking Famas for Metal Gear. That's all I care.

• 2:07:46Speaker 04

  I'm working on, we're, we're about done with our rebuild. So we're doing completely from scratch receiver. We've got the barrel because like it's a very complicated rebuild. If you don't have any of the parts. And especially with an aluminum receiver, like that's damn near fucking impossible to rebuild. So we had to just start from scratch and just kind of, yeah. But I think we'll, we'll get there in the next couple of months, but.

• 2:08:06Speaker 01

  Excellent.

• 2:08:07Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm excited for it because I've never shot a fucking Famas ever.

• 2:08:11Speaker 01

  Well, if you come do the show shot challenge with me, you can shoot my Famas too. You know, that gun is interchangeable left to right-handed with no new parts.

• 2:08:20Speaker 03

  I believe that.

• 2:08:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:21Speaker 03

  It's right.

• 2:08:22Speaker 01

  It's got two ejectors or two extractors. One's real, one's fake. And to switch it from left to right, you pull them out and you reverse them and put them back. And then there's a cheat, there's ejection ports on both sides covered by a cheek piece. And you just pop it from one side to the other. Done. It's like 60 seconds left to right hand.

• 2:08:39Speaker 03

  I see, I like that. That's fun. Yeah. Our buddy Jay. Jay is one of those collections, none of the, our Utah buddy. The billionaire guy. I don't think I've met him. He's the one with the, like, he has a, he has like all, every pre-ban HK he has. Ever. He has a World War One wall, a World War Two wall and HK wall. And it is every Famas, well, like every gun you could ever want. He's like, oh yeah, you want to shoot that and pull it off. And it is in a walk-in gun room. That is the size of this. He's the one. Is that your fake date guy? That's exactly what I was gonna ask. Yeah, that was the fake date. I don't think the unsub audience knows about the fake date. I don't know if I've ever told that story. It was Jay is a friend that you would, um.

• 2:09:25Speaker 03

  He dresses like just flip flopped short, like one of us, you just one of us. Jay is also extremely wealthy, like a next level wealthy. So, uh, I had a first date and this is God years ago. And we're like, oh, what do we do for the first date? We can't come up with an idea and Jay's like, well, I'm just using my house. Like, what, like what? So I can just pretend it's yours. Like, well, Jay, what? This is what a 12,000 square foot mansion? Oh, yeah, 12,000, 74,000. Jesus. Yeah. So. Good lord. He has a. Okay. All right. This is billionaire, billionaire. Find something to do in the house like that? Okay. Yeah. And he has a fucking estate.

• 2:10:11Speaker 03

  And Jay owns, like, this is a dude, hey, I created a, um.

• 2:10:17Speaker 03

  What was it? Creditrepair.com? I was gonna say, stories like this are usually like, I developed a better way for the, the milk bottle, plastic screw top lid.

• 2:10:27Speaker 04

  You know that refrigeration strip that's in every grocery store in America? I built that.

• 2:10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Creditrepair.com. That was him. So he was like, oh, I built a big house. It was 8,000 square feet. Oh, I paid off said house in less than a month. Uh, I guess I'll build what the fuck I want at this period of my life. And he did. So he's like, oh yeah, it's your house now and we'll change out the painting and we'll make it look like your house. And then the butler, our private chef is yours. Just pretend the, again, rich people shit where you have a dining room and a dining. And you were broke out of Army Eli. Yeah, this is, this is Eli, like I'm just moving out of LA. It's not, wow, this is a very different lifestyle. Apartment, Eli. Yeah, exactly. Like I own a studio. I'm like, ah, what the fuck is this?

• 2:11:15Speaker 03

  But you did the respectful thing and said, absolutely, I will do that. This is a great trick on a first date. We need to do this long-term. I need this for like eight months. Please. You should definitely deceive the girl you're going on a date with right out of the gate. So it's like, oh shit. And I forget, uh, some, some of the friends knew her and it was just, hey, oh shit, you're going to hang out with Eli tonight. Man, that's crazy. His house is wild. She's like, huh, what? He owns a house? Yeah, exactly. So I was like, okay, what do I do? I'll just get an Uber to the house for her. So she doesn't have, she can't look at the house. It's like, hey, I sent an Uber for you. It will be there and drive up. And this driving up one of the mountainsides of Utah and the Uber driver, she, that's when she explained.

• 2:12:00Speaker 03

  That's when I started freaking out. It's like, oh, your friend doing very nice. He was an Asian dude. Oh, your friend. I couldn't tell. Yeah, it was the, the higher the Uber driver got on this mountainside. It's like, oh, your friend doing very good to silence. Oh shit. Okay. And I was like, hey, just text me when you get to the front gate and then I'll let you in. They pull up. She's like, hey, I'm at the community gate. So I got you buzzing you in. Uh, just park at the third water fountain and then I'll go out and meet you. But Jay's doing quite fun. And she's like, okay. And she's thinking, again, community water fountains. Not like this is one single house. So it's like, one, two, go. I walk out, front door is broken on the outside.

• 2:12:44Speaker 03

  So I can go back in. So I was like, I'll just walk her through the side museum and explain this. So walk out. I'm like, hey, what's up, Bob? Hi. Hey, nice to meet you. Blah, blah, blah. Thanks for coming all the way out here. Front door is broken, so we have to walk into the side of the house. Uh, she's like, okay. World is any part of this house broken? She's just like nervous. I'm like, yeah, a hundred percent. Walk her in. I was like, oh yeah, this is my side museum. You have to fuck around and say like, oh yeah, sorry. The Sultan broke it last week. Walk in and Jay has literal side museum. It is a fucking like walking like glass, Samurai armor, everything. So you're walking through and you're like, oh yeah, fucking duh. Do you need a drink? And she's like, yeah.

• 2:13:28Speaker 03

  Like, oh, here, come down here. We walk down the spiral staircase. It's a giant bear. I was like, here, what do you want? She's like IPA, walk in IPA fridge. This is again, like half the size of this room. Walk in, grab that. Ha, ha. So like, okay, upstairs, we're doing dinner. Our family's waiting. Let's go.

• 2:13:46Speaker 03

  Man, you need an elevator in this house. Ha, ha. I was like, oh, we can take that. Here, come here. Walk her to an elevator, go up flat five stories, get up to the top. Everyone's waiting, standing. And they're like, where do we sit you? I'm like, oh, wherever you want. All sit down, private chef, French cheese. Comes gets all the orders, blah, blah. All said and done. And I remember just first sitting down. Everyone is eating and they're like, Eli, when can we start eating? I'm like, oh yeah, eat away. Everyone's eating. She like looks around. She's like, takes her hat off. She's so uncomfortable at this moment. She's like,

• 2:14:21Speaker 03

  We're eating.

• 2:14:22Speaker 01

  Shoot.

• 2:14:23Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 2:14:24Speaker 01

  Why don't you tell me you're rich as fuck? I am so scared.

• 2:14:29Speaker 03

  So I was like, what are you talking about? This is normal. Half the dinner's done. We're downstairs having a just fun. We're playing whatever, like Pictionary or some stupid shit. And then, uh, we tell, I tell her, I'm like, hey, by the way, this is not my house. This is actually my friend's. This is a joke. Cause she's like, holy fucking Christ.

• 2:14:49Speaker 03

  Oh my God, I was terrified. And then for a second I was like, did I hit the lottery? I am not sure.

• 2:14:55Speaker 04

  She's like, oh, in that case. And she throws away the condom wrapper. She had poked a million holes in.

• 2:15:04Speaker 03

  Cause yeah.

• 2:15:05Speaker 01

  I don't need your phone number now, actually. Sorry.

• 2:15:09Speaker 04

  I'd never.

• 2:15:10Speaker 01

  What was your friend's name?

• 2:15:12Speaker 04

  I heard the abbreviated version of that story. I've never heard the full one. That's hilarious.

• 2:15:17Speaker 03

  Dude, it was an entire thing. Cause Jay has money. He gets bored. And he's like, this is fun. I get to watch this play out. And I'm like, Patrick, his chef, we're filling him in. And he's like, okay, so what do I say? I was like, well, what's for dinner? He's like, we have the, the pea soup. We have elk and we have that. I was like, just say that, just do your fucking accent and talk like that. She's gonna be none the wiser. You don't have to act, are you sure? I'm like, I assure you, no one's used to a private fucking chef.

• 2:15:44Speaker 04

  This is like lifestyle cuckoldry.

• 2:15:48Speaker 04

  I just want to see somebody else live my life.

• 2:15:51Speaker 03

  Dude, you walk out and you're like, what the fuck is this? What did we use for the picture? It was me with a baby goat or something. Cause they had baby goats. They had, dude.

• 2:16:00Speaker 04

  You're shitting me.

• 2:16:01Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 2:16:02Speaker 04

  No, I.

• 2:16:05Speaker 03

  It is again, that you have wealth and then you're like, oh, people live like this and this is fun for them. Okay. What the fuck?

• 2:16:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:16:14Speaker 03

  And he has an amazing gun collection. That's why I want to.

• 2:16:17Speaker 04

  Of course he does there. Yeah. Sounds like a fucking neat guy.

• 2:16:20Speaker 01

  I'll go on this trip if you want. Sign me up.

• 2:16:23Speaker 04

  Every time I find one of those absurdly wealthy people who's also into guns, I'm like, you're gonna make my collection look bad. Like I've, I've got a lot of stuff, but like some of those guys will just get that like, oh, an original FG 42. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's only a quarter.

• 2:16:38Speaker 01

  I have three of those.

• 2:16:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:16:40Speaker 01

  To be clear, I, I don't, but I have run into the guy who has three of them.

• 2:16:44Speaker 04

  There's a guy who has three of them.

• 2:16:46Speaker 01

  Oh, there's a guy who has like nine of them.

• 2:16:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:16:49Speaker 03

  Are they your friends too?

• 2:16:50Speaker 01

  Uh, one is one I know of, but haven't actually met in person. I don't think, or I met him like once, but not really acquainted. But yeah.

• 2:16:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think the last, the last one that went for sale that I know of went for like 240,000.

• 2:17:04Speaker 01

  But you haven't been paying attention. They're three to four.

• 2:17:08Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you look at the collector grade book, um, uh, death from above, the, the back, uh, cover art on the inside is just a, a row of FGs leaning up on a fireplace. There's like 10 of them and it's all one collection.

• 2:17:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:17:29Speaker 04

  I'm really happy with my SMG clone.

• 2:17:31Speaker 01

  It's so mine. Yeah.

• 2:17:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm like, yeah, 10 grand. That's, that's fine. That's all I need.

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  I had the chance to actually shoot an original second pattern FG, a real shit. Yeah. Um, by the way, the, like, the rumors on them are real. It is a fantastic gun to shoot. It's, it's legit. It, it is, I'm not going to say it's super like, it's not a 556.

• 2:17:53Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:17:53Speaker 01

  But it is as controllable or better as any 308 full auto I've ever shot.

• 2:17:58Speaker 04

  As an eight millimeter Mauser.

• 2:18:00Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:18:00Speaker 04

  So the, the Fallschirm Haager Gevers, it was like the German parachute, uh, paratrooper, like light machine gun, quote unquote. It's like they're Browning automatic rifle.

• 2:18:08Speaker 01

  It's, but the design spec is essentially, we want a gun that is neither longer nor heavier than a Mauser 98K. But it has to be select fire, have a bipod, have a bayonet and well, and be select fire.

• 2:18:23Speaker 03

  Dude, just really, you brought up the Mauser, um, I, the 98K, was that eight mil? What was the?

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  That.

• 2:18:31Speaker 03

  Who was the guy? Banana, ah, banana, something. He's a YouTuber that does firearms now.

• 2:18:37Speaker 04

  Banana ballistics.

• 2:18:38Speaker 03

  Banana ballistics. He just had that round that was eight mil AP or.

• 2:18:44Speaker 04

  Was it K bullets or whatever?

• 2:18:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:18:46Speaker 04

  Or.

• 2:18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, they made it. They made armor piercing.

• 2:18:49Speaker 03

  This was that round. They're like, hey, they built this. It's a hyped up eight millimeter, but it punched through on his, uh, oh, one, one point two five steel just punched right through that. An inch and like an inch and a half was what stopped it and it still made.

• 2:19:04Speaker 04

  That would.

• 2:19:05Speaker 03

  Hole at the back.

• 2:19:06Speaker 04

  That would have to be unhardened.

• 2:19:09Speaker 03

  This was dude tungsten round. This is, uh, this was.

• 2:19:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he meant like the steel, like.

• 2:19:14Speaker 03

  Oh, gotcha.

• 2:19:15Speaker 04

  It was punching.

• 2:19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that.

• 2:19:16Speaker 03

  No, that, that's the thing. This was.

• 2:19:19Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 2:19:19Speaker 03

  Very, very impressive because the round was going 3,000 feet per second. And this is.

• 2:19:23Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:19:23Speaker 03

  Mouser 98. Like he shot the first round. He's like, holy fuck. And he says it. He has to actually believe it because he doesn't curse. He's like, what? Like he bleeps in his own because he looks over and it's.

• 2:19:34Speaker 04

  An inch and a half.

• 2:19:36Speaker 01

  Have you?

• 2:19:37Speaker 04

  Steel?

• 2:19:37Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:19:38Speaker 01

  Have you seen?

• 2:19:39Speaker 04

  Watch.

• 2:19:40Speaker 01

  Have you seen the German, uh, or the Polish, uh, armor piercing eight Mouser? Did their Andy tank rifle? Or sorry, not eight Mouser, eight millimeter. It's eight by 108. It's like.

• 2:19:53Speaker 03

  It's a traitor.

• 2:19:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:19:56Speaker 04

  It's a great porno.

• 2:19:59Speaker 03

  So he goes.

• 2:20:01Speaker 04

  An inch and a half is a lot of steel.

• 2:20:02Speaker 01

  That's a lot of hardened steel.

• 2:20:04Speaker 04

  Trust me.

• 2:20:11Speaker 01

  It went through.

• 2:20:12Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 2:20:14Speaker 04

  Mild steel.

• 2:20:15Speaker 03

  Okay, my, okay.

• 2:20:18Speaker 04

  There it was.

• 2:20:18Speaker 03

  There he goes to, he missed and he goes to one and a half. So it is one and a half of, I'm guessing mild.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  There is a very big difference between mild steel and hardened steel.

• 2:20:29Speaker 04

  Very much so.

• 2:20:30Speaker 03

  Everyone is cooking for a 1940 round.

• 2:20:32Speaker 04

  Don't, don't get me wrong. Like it's still impressive, but it's.

• 2:20:34Speaker 01

  Very, but.

• 2:20:35Speaker 04

  There is a massive difference between hardened and.

• 2:20:38Speaker 03

  You know, that, okay.

• 2:20:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:20:39Speaker 03

  That one, I just remember that video was like, oh, it's punching through a inch, like no problem. And this is from the 1940s. That round is cooking.

• 2:20:47Speaker 01

  It's interesting. There's some, there are some powder formulations that, that survive just fine. And there's some powder formulations that degrade over time. Turkish stuff and I can't remember the chemical differences, but we got a bunch of Turkish eight millimeter years ago. That was daring dangerous because the powder degraded and it actually that the grain, the powder grains degraded and you end up with a lot more surface area than you originally had. And so the powder burned a lot faster than it was originally intended to, and you got really high pressure and it blew up guns. Like I know a guy who's missing fingers from one of those things in a 42 or 34.

• 2:21:27Speaker 04

  One of the things that was speculated about on the slap rounds on contact.

• 2:21:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. But then there are also some, some powders that survive just fine and don't degrade. And a lot of the German World War II stuff, the powder formulation is such that yes, it's 80 years old now, but it performs just the same way that it originally did.

• 2:21:47Speaker 04

  Some of the most stable stuff I've ever seen is the, the eight millimeter Mauser stuff coming out of Ethiopia.

• 2:21:52Speaker 01

  Everything I ever tested from Ethiopia was garbage.

• 2:21:55Speaker 04

  That's what I was joking about. Yeah. It's fucking dog shit.

• 2:21:57Speaker 01

  Thank you. I was like, are we, are we looking at different ammo? Like that's, I do like, didn't work with Sentry for like four years because of that ammo.

• 2:22:06Speaker 04

  It was like, if you wanted catastrophic malfunctions or hang fires, it was the greatest shit to use.

• 2:22:11Speaker 01

  I broke a Mauser 98K stock with one of those things.

• 2:22:14Speaker 04

  I guarantee it.

• 2:22:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's all the, the shit's just, just being pulled out of pallets in Ethiopia somewhere.

• 2:22:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:22:21Speaker 03

  It's crazy how different areas, it's like, hey, this could kill you versus, hey, this is stable and you're good to go.

• 2:22:27Speaker 01

  The really good ammo is the Greek stuff. HXP 303, 308. The Greek HXP stuff is phenomenal.

• 2:22:35Speaker 03

  What's that? I mean, look at the tech as it evolves. I love nitroglycerin and them taking it across the ocean. They're like, we just put in a bunch of springs and as long as it's not too bad, we will make it there. Cody, have you ever seen how they did nitroglycerin back in the past?

• 2:22:51Speaker 01

  No, when they were transporting it?

• 2:22:52Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:22:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:22:54Speaker 03

  Nitroglycerin, you're like, you shake.

• 2:22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Why would you transport it? Why wouldn't you just make it wherever you're trying to take it?

• 2:22:59Speaker 03

  With the springs around it? Back? Wait, you haven't even seen this?

• 2:23:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:23:03Speaker 04

  It's kind of like nitroglycerin back in the day was kind of like Tannerite, except if you sneezed, you would die.

• 2:23:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Except it's not a two part. It's just.

• 2:23:12Speaker 03

  So your own waves just smacking the boat? Dude, they would put full, wait, let me find the spring system. It would be contained in spring systems in order to.

• 2:23:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:23:25Speaker 04

  To ship it, shipping, shipment, shipment on ships.

• 2:23:29Speaker 01

  You have an RK 95 yet?

• 2:23:31Speaker 04

  No, but I will tell you what, that is probably one of the most recommended guns I do.

• 2:23:36Speaker 01

  You're like, I'll have one.

• 2:23:37Speaker 04

  Here's the thing.

• 2:23:37Speaker 01

  Must have one.

• 2:23:38Speaker 04

  I could buy one, that's not really the problem. The, the problem is, like, I've seen them come up, is what I mean.

• 2:23:44Speaker 01

  Really? I've never seen one in the US.

• 2:23:46Speaker 04

  Really?

• 2:23:47Speaker 01

  A 95?

• 2:23:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, maybe, maybe I'm, maybe I'm talking out of my ass here.

• 2:23:52Speaker 01

  The late, late, late patterned Valmet. With grenade launcher, gas cutoff, optics mount.

• 2:23:58Speaker 04

  So forgive me if I'm misattributing that to something else, but like, I've, I've seen, because the fins are very autistic about this stuff. I just know if I do a video on that, or any sort of Valmet, or any sort of Finnish AK of any kind, no one will watch it. That's what I'm worried about.

• 2:24:14Speaker 01

  Why? Why wouldn't they?

• 2:24:16Speaker 04

  Because every time, so this is the curse I have. Anything that I think is cool will never get views.

• 2:24:22Speaker 01

  Hmm. I mean, you, you can use the word tube with two Os.

• 2:24:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24:27Speaker 01

  For Valmet, that'll get people, won't it?

• 2:24:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24:30Speaker 01

  He's tube stock AK.

• 2:24:31Speaker 04

  That's what I did with the Sten, and nobody fucking watched it.

• 2:24:33Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Well, shit.

• 2:24:36Speaker 04

  I, it's, it's just, it's like the, if I shit out a video that's like very little effort, million and a half views. If I pour my heart and soul into something that I think is a very niche piece of history that I love, and I'm like, super excited, and I think the video went really well, and I watched the video back, I'm like, this is, I'm proud of that. 500,000, like, fuck me.

• 2:24:57Speaker 01

  So, I would like to respond on two different fronts. First off, when 500,000 is a failure.

• 2:25:04Speaker 04

  You do more than I do. You do more videos than I do, goddammit.

• 2:25:09Speaker 01

  But I understand, I've had some videos that I did kind of as an afterthought, like, yeah, it's 3pm and I have dinner at 5, but I just got an idea, I can knock that out.

• 2:25:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:25:19Speaker 01

  And had them, like, go very successful, at least, you know, for my standards.

• 2:25:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:25:24Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, sometimes this, I can usually predict the ones that won't do well. And I do a lot of them. Because there are videos that like this needs to be done. I know none of you people are gonna watch it, but it needs to be covered. Yeah, someday someone will need to know this stuff and they'll Google it and there it'll be.

• 2:25:42Speaker 04

  But also your upload schedule determines your views quite a lot. Like to quote my fertility specialist, I'm quite impressed by your volume. Like you actually put out a lot of videos per week like that's

• 2:25:53Speaker 01

  That's what made the channel successful. Like for a couple of years, it was six a week.

• 2:25:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's fucking insane.

• 2:25:59Speaker 01

  Shit.

• 2:26:00Speaker 04

  On all like autistic, different fucking breakdowns of guns that I've usually never heard of.

• 2:26:06Speaker 01

  Well, that's why I have a big library to make it possible. But yeah.

• 2:26:10Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 2:26:11Speaker 01

  That's what was a let me grew the grow the channel. That's how it got successful in large was just insane amount of material.

• 2:26:19Speaker 03

  How is it actually really quick before we close this out? How is it when you have to break apart one of these weapons? You're not sure on like a G11. Is that terrifying out the gate? Because that would be

• 2:26:29Speaker 01

  Not anymore.

• 2:26:31Speaker 04

  I have a follow up to. Have you ever broken one on accident or broken a piece while tearing something apart?

• 2:26:36Speaker 01

  I can neither confirm nor deny.

• 2:26:41Speaker 03

  Here's this one. Have fun. You're like, I've watched zero YouTube videos on this.

• 2:26:45Speaker 04

  Strips screw immediately.

• 2:26:49Speaker 01

  So, no, I've gotten I'm paranoid about things like taking out screws.

• 2:26:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:26:55Speaker 01

  And when they're too tight, I just stop and you'll see it on some videos where I'm like, if I say something like this one's not really wanting to come apart. It means I went in with the screwdriver and and it got to the point where I'm like, it might open or I might snap the head of the screw off. And I just, I nope, I'm done.

• 2:27:14Speaker 04

  I have a 1940s Colt at the shop. You'll see it tomorrow. It's like the oldest gun I think that's in the shop.

• 2:27:21Speaker 04

  That is all original except for one screw.

• 2:27:24Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:27:25Speaker 04

  And that's what happened.

• 2:27:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. And you feel like a piece of shit because you're like, this is an original. This is a piece of history and I have defiled it.

• 2:27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Frankly, what I've learned is guns break when you force them. You never force it. If it, if you have to force it, you stop.

• 2:27:46Speaker 01

  If you have to force it for disassembly, you stop. If you have to force it for reassembly, you've, you're not doing it right. Stop, go back, reassess and figure out the way that you do it without having to force anything. And that's allowed me to do what I do without anything breaking.

• 2:28:03Speaker 04

  I'm impressed because you handle a lot of shit that's pretty fucking old. And a lot of this stuff, you know, old guns, like if you don't use it, you lose it. Like that stuff doesn't want to move.

• 2:28:11Speaker 01

  When it came to shooting, like the Morphe company does a lot of machine guns. And until YouTube started Adrian strictly everything, we did a lot of machine gun shooting with them. And their NFA guy, guy named John Keen is really good. And we would assess guns based on like, what's the risk of anything breaking in this? And also what's the availability of spare parts? Because with machine guns in particular, no one really cares if every pin is original.

• 2:28:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:28:39Speaker 01

  And so when there was stuff that was rare, but parts were around, we'd shoot it. Like frankly, the one that terrified me the most was that FG42.

• 2:28:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:28:50Speaker 01

  I, I, if I owned it, I would never shoot an FG42 I own. In fact, I wouldn't own an original FG42. I would resell that thing. Like I'd rather have a house than that FG42.

• 2:29:03Speaker 01

  But it was on their company insurance policy. And the consignor was cool with us shooting it because he knew it would make it more desirable at auction. And actually, okay, so here's, here's the funny behind the scenes thing. We had, we had Portuguese surplus ammo for shooting that. Like, we didn't go out and buy brand new eight millimeter. No, we had part two surplus. It's pretty good. It'll be fine. And then FG forty two. It was hard primed. If you watch the video, I start off the video and I'm like, all right, semi-auto. No one wants to see semi-auto. We're going to full auto. The reality is in semi-auto, it wouldn't run. So the FG forty two has the system where it fires from a closed bolt in semi

• 2:29:45Speaker 01

  and an open bolt in full auto. So that in full auto, you get better cooling. But in semi-auto, you don't have the bolt chunking closed when you pull the trigger. So you get more accuracy in semi.

• 2:29:56Speaker 04

  Which is weird because even in the semi-auto, it seems like it's semi-open bolt.

• 2:30:01Speaker 01

  A little bit because the firing pin and the op-rot are both moving forward.

• 2:30:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:30:04Speaker 01

  Same as the US gun.

• 2:30:05Speaker 04

  When I, on the semi-auto clone, so you feel the bolt move forward and you're like.

• 2:30:10Speaker 01

  That's, no, that's how it works. But what it, the upshot is in full auto, because the whole, the firing pin is moving from a much greater distance. It's got a lot more energy in it than in semi-auto. And this thing would run about half the time in semi, you know, bang, bang, click, rack, click, rack, bang, click, rack. But, and at, and at that point, I'm like, this is my only chance to ever shoot this thing. Like, we're up here on the range.

• 2:30:33Speaker 03

  Brass casing too versus steel.

• 2:30:35Speaker 01

  Oh, it was brass. It was brass case. Yeah.

• 2:30:37Speaker 03

  But it's the, what was it?

• 2:30:40Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I wasn't sure. Germany went to steel case at the end of the war.

• 2:30:43Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. I wasn't sure if that was a tolerance.

• 2:30:46Speaker 04

  The problem is, is the primer. Like, if the primers are hard, then if you don't have a crazy amount of force behind the firing pin, you're fucked.

• 2:30:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, like, what I really don't want to do is have to call off my one opportunity to film a full-auto original FG forty two. So I'm like, well, let's try it full-auto and see if it works. And it ran great. Ran perfectly in full-auto because the bolt's moving four inches more. It's got a lot more mass, a lot more velocity to it. So it worked in full-auto. So that's how we filmed it. I was like, I'm just gonna glaze over semi-auto and go straight to full.

• 2:31:17Speaker 04

  That's exactly what we did in my STEN video, because the STEN that I had acquired.

• 2:31:24Speaker 04

  We figured out, so it was running like shit. It ran like absolute fucking glazed dog shit. Unless it was, we, we took out the semi-auto components and then suddenly it ran fine.

• 2:31:35Speaker 01

  Weird. Okay.

• 2:31:36Speaker 04

  Couldn't, couldn't fucking tell you why, but it, it just, it worked out that way. So we're like, you know what? Fuck it. Nobody actually cares about a semi-auto stand anyway.

• 2:31:43Speaker 01

  It's really weird to me that they bothered to put a semi-auto in the stand.

• 2:31:46Speaker 03

  It's like a condom. Got it. It sucks when you use it, but.

• 2:31:52Speaker 04

  When you rip it off, it's great.

• 2:31:54Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:31:56Speaker 03

  See, makes sense.

• 2:31:58Speaker 04

  Machine guns by Eli.

• 2:32:01Speaker 03

  Get rid of that thing. Fucking fun times happen.

• 2:32:04Speaker 01

  Design brief on the stand does not really, isn't really compatible with, why would we have extra parts make it semi-automatic?

• 2:32:10Speaker 04

  One of the least ergonomic, terrible sights, open bolt submachine gun. Yeah, let's get some precision shooting out of this nine millimeter.

• 2:32:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you know, they work. Usually. Like again, was it a, was it an original CNR gun or was it some sort of rebuild, re-weld?

• 2:32:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, rebuild. So that, you always gotta throw that out there.

• 2:32:32Speaker 01

  For people looking for machine guns, that's one of the values of, of an original CNR gun. Is it has not been cut apart and rewelded by Bubba.

• 2:32:40Speaker 04

  Yep. Oh, I just picked up a CNR MG0815.

• 2:32:44Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 2:32:45Speaker 04

  I'm excited by that.

• 2:32:46Speaker 03

  Love that one. That's one of my favorite nomenclatures.

• 2:32:49Speaker 01

  It's one of my favorite genders. So every, everyone in the comments will now inform you that 0815 actually in German means boring. Or commonplace.

• 2:33:00Speaker 04

  So.

• 2:33:01Speaker 01

  Was it nul ak fünfsen?

• 2:33:03Speaker 04

  That's what I learned afterward is that that's like the 10-4 of Germany. It's just like, yeah, things are fine.

• 2:33:08Speaker 01

  Things are 0815. Yeah. And it's because they were so commonplace in.

• 2:33:13Speaker 04

  Which yeah, I had no clue, but that's very, it's very cool. A little stuff like that. I think is neat.

• 2:33:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just saved you from that showing up in the comments.

• 2:33:20Speaker 04

  No, they'll still do it.

• 2:33:23Speaker 02

  This episode is Cody and Eli stare at each other awkwardly.

• 2:33:28Speaker 03

  This is how it feels.

• 2:33:29Speaker 01

  I feel like you should have known that was coming.

• 2:33:34Speaker 02

  I was ready for it. I was, I learned a lot, so I'm extremely happy with.

• 2:33:38Speaker 01

  Don't get me started on Shaspo variations.

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  That's what the Patreon after show is gonna be about.

• 2:33:45Speaker 02

  Cody, on that note, well, first off, Ian, where do we find you, beautiful son of a bitch?

• 2:33:50Speaker 01

  ForgottenWeapons.com or YouTube slash Forgotten Weapons or Patreon slash Forgotten Weapons?

• 2:33:56Speaker 02

  And your book again?

• 2:33:56Speaker 01

  Pepperbox, Kickstarter. The, the book I'm working on, well, the book I am currently, uh, pre-selling is Forged in Snow, finished small arms 1918 to 2025, covering the Mosens, the Valmets, the Lugers, the Lotties, the light machine guns, all sorts of super cool stuff. Currently on Kickstarter, lots of cool stretch goals, lots of neat options. Check it out.

• 2:34:20Speaker 04

  You're gonna get a kick out of my Lottie tomorrow, too.

• 2:34:22Speaker 01

  Excellent.

• 2:34:22Speaker 04

  I got something to show you on that. It's pretty fun.

• 2:34:24Speaker 02

  All right. Gang does. Bye, everyone. Thanks for coming to the Unsubscribe Podcast. I was joined today by Eli Double Tap, Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Brandon Herrera, myself, Donut Operator. Please join us for the Patreon after show.

• 2:34:39Speaker 01

  You checked out hours ago, didn't you?

• 2:34:42Speaker 02

  Me and Eli were over here just like doing rock, paper, scissors.

• 2:34:45Speaker 04

  Dude, it was great.

• 2:34:46Speaker 02

  We love you all.

• 2:34:48Speaker 04

  Join us for the after show where we find out if Ian finally got his hands on some 32 French long.

• 2:34:54Speaker 02

  Aren't you excited?

• 2:34:55Speaker 04

  I got my hands on some long.

• 2:34:56Speaker 02

  Same. Right?

• 2:34:58Speaker 04

  Bye.

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