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1:04 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod! I'm Filippo.
1:08 Speaker 06 I'm Nick.
1:09 Doug DeMuro? Nick's filling in for Kennon. Kennon is at Amelia Island. And Nick is our insane friend who buys weird cars. You may remember him from buying weird cars. Uh, and let's start with the news! Bring it up. Tariffs. Nick, take us through this one.
1:24 Speaker 06 Despite being an econ major, I'm not the right person.
1:27 Doug DeMuro? You were an econ major and you make the decisions you make?
1:29 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:30 Doug DeMuro? Can we talk about your Bentley real quick?
1:31 Speaker 06 Sure.
1:32 Doug DeMuro? Your Bentley has broken down twice this week.
1:34 Speaker 06 Yeah. I wish there were tariffs on that thing, I wouldn't have done it. Uh, it was flatbedded this morning. Yeah, probably, maybe, I don't know.
1:41 Doug DeMuro? Earlier this week, it was leaking coolant.
1:43 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:43 Doug DeMuro? Today, it was leaking hydraulic fluid.
1:45 Speaker 06 Well, technically, it was leaking both the first time. It just, the coolant leak was so enormous that it hit the other leak from being noticed as well.
1:53 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we'll get back to the Bentley in a little bit. Tariffs. Let's talk about tariffs. The situation is changing rapidly and may be changed by the time that this podcast is live.
1:59 Speaker 06 It changed from two hours ago to now.
2:01 Speaker 07 Surely will change again by Friday.
2:03 Doug DeMuro? We're filming this on Wednesday. On Tuesday, the tariffs rolled out to Canada, Mexico. Absolutely insane. One of the craziest things I've ever seen. Today, it was announced that the automakers were exempted, but for automakers, building cars in Canada and Mexico, not for Chinese car, build cars.
2:17 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah. To be precise.
2:19 Doug DeMuro? Those tariffs ain't changing. The China ones, they're not going anywhere. The automakers are exempted, which the market loved because that was a big part of this whole thing. The auto industry has made massive investments in Canada, Mexico, not just for assembly, but in some cases just for parts, and then the cars still assembled here. But regardless, parts go over the border many times. It's like not even thought of. It's complicated. And the automakers tariffs or not, are not going to build a factory tomorrow.
2:44 Speaker 07 There's also examples like Honda announced yesterday that they were going to move next generation Civic production to Indiana instead of Mexico. But it's not that simple because a lot of the componentry is almost certainly made in Canada or Mexico.
2:55 Doug DeMuro? And then you got to wonder, well, what is the Trump administration trying to target with that sort of thing? Do they care about the assembly, the final assembly, like factory workers putting a car together? There's, that's, would think seem like something they would care about. Or do they care about the production of the components?
3:08 Speaker 07 Right.
3:09 Doug DeMuro? One, I don't know which is more important to them. I guess both. But which one is being tariffed? Like if a car is being assembled in the United States with components compiled from completely elsewhere. Is that count? From a big perspective, it does.
3:21 Speaker 07 It's like a difference between the values question.
3:24 Doug DeMuro? Which was so hard.
3:25 Speaker 07 But I guess that's so complicated. For what's worth, there has not been particularly clear guidance.
3:29 Doug DeMuro? No.
3:30 Speaker 07 Yet.
3:30 Doug DeMuro? Of course.
3:31 Speaker 06 The interesting thing I think is the other prominent figure in the Trump administration is Elon Musk, who happens to own a auto manufacturing company that primarily produces vehicles in the US.
3:43 Speaker 07 For the US market, yeah.
3:44 Speaker 06 It's interesting in that Trump and Elon must be talking about this and weighing in on how this is written and who's included or not, but you can't help but sort of wonder, is there a little bit of a weird thing going on with that dynamic?
3:58 Doug DeMuro? And those cars are like heavily built in the US, both the componentry and the actual assembly. Although Elon does have factories in China, now they're not building cars for the US. But I'm sure if the opportunity presented itself, Elon would love to sell Chinese made Teslas in the States, probably be. Cheaper.
4:12 Speaker 07 Cheaper. It just gets so complicated so quickly. And also, the impact isn't as clear. I think there's a misconception that what you'll see is the vehicles that are built primarily in Canada or Mexico would have higher sticker prices. But manufacturers can't really do that. You can't suddenly make the Equinox cost more than a Tahoe, right?
4:30 Doug DeMuro? Who knows? Maybe they would.
4:31 Speaker 07 You have to amortize it across your lineup. But if you don't know the actual full cost of that, you don't know when it's going to be implemented. How do you really adjust the prices?
4:38 Doug DeMuro? It's also more complicated than you think to raise prices in the middle of it. The whole situation is insane. Definitely a crazy decision that I read today, a poll that 80% of Americans don't agree with these tariffs. From a capitalist economic perspective, I think it's a crazy situation and I hope it comes to an end relatively soon for the auto industry and for many other industries.
4:59 Speaker 07 Yeah, I will say one last thing on it. Other industries have, the auto industry has really long supply lines and like supply, like the supply chain is long and a lot of dealers have vehicles on lots and a lot of manufacturers like Jaguar has probably years worth of vehicles in the US, which is good for them, right? Because none of those vehicles will qualify for tariffs, even if they were built somewhere where they should be. So it's not immediate. There's other industries like-
5:21 Doug DeMuro? Sort of. Some cars are. The Tacoma has probably a short, and it's built in Mexico.
5:26 Speaker 07 Right. And like some industries, like technology industry, like the laptops are shipped as they're built, pretty much. And so they're, they've already announced, okay, I think Toshiba maybe, or Acer, one of the companies that has already announced, okay, the prices are going to go up 10% on April 1st. Cars can't, you can't do that. You can't just say that must be, goes up that day. So it becomes a really interesting-
5:46 Doug DeMuro? Maybe. I would be curious. You say you can't do that, but I don't know that automakers have ever like, like flash faced this before.
5:53 Speaker 07 Right. No, 100% not.
5:54 Doug DeMuro? Could they? They could. They could raise prices immediately on certain-
5:57 Speaker 07 And then raise sales, right? The only reason that some manufacturers have any sales is because their pricing is competitive. The moment that becomes uncompetitive-
6:04 Doug DeMuro? Well, and they made long-term bets based on agreements that were in place, you know, and negotiated and agreed upon by all these countries, including the agreement that's currently in place, that it was negotiated by the Trump administration. This whole thing's so insane. Let's move on to less political- I do, as a salesperson, I have to correct one thing.
6:20 Speaker 07 Please.
6:21 Doug DeMuro? Every car salesman in the world is calling every customer they have right now saying, "Prices are going up 10% April 1st. Pop your butt down here and sign on the dotted line." All right.
6:30 Speaker 07 That's a great point.
6:31 Doug DeMuro? Speaking of car salesmen, the next story is the best one of the week. Okay. The Aston Martin V8 Signet has gone on sale. I have gotten calls, texts, emails, Facebook posts, YouTube, Instagram. Every person has contacted me about the V8 Signet. I'm probably the number one potential buyer.
6:45 Speaker 06 What is the V8 Signet? I mean, I know, but for those that don't.
6:47 Doug DeMuro? I don't know if the dealer is aware of that I'm the number one potential buyer. I'm the number one potential buyer. Here's the situation. Aston Martin Signet was a tiny city car that they made around 2010 ostensibly to comply with rules about lineup emissions and fuel economy. The other brands like Ferrari never had to make a car like this because they were in some large corporate umbrella, but Aston Martin was not, and it still isn't. And so they had, in theory, they had to make this car in order to comply, the regular Signet. And they sold 10,000 of them primarily in London. Then, at the very end of the run, some rich guy, never disclosed who, came to Aston Martin and said, "If you build me a Signet with the V8 from the V8 Vantage, I'll buy it. I'll pay the cost, I'll buy it, I'll do it.
7:31 Doug DeMuro? But you have to agree that you will never build another one." And Aston Martin, desperate for money perpetually since I've been alive, said, "Yeah." So they did it, and the car is now for sale, used, and this has been 10 years now, at a dealership in the UK. Now, I want the car. I'm going to be clear. However, I swore off buying cars, and I mean that even more than my desire for the Signet.
7:56 Speaker 06 Wow.
7:57 Doug DeMuro? But nonetheless, I'm curious. Part of the problem, the part of the reason I swore off buying cars is because it is so onerous, it's become onerous to buy cars for me. There's just a lot that is required when I do it, the kind of cars I buy. There's just so much work and specialist labor and all this stuff. This would be the most onerous of all because it's not technically legal to send to the US. You'd have to get it certified for the US driving under the show or display rule, which you could, because the show or display rule is specific to cars made fewer than 25 years ago, but that are like special and can be shown or displayed. So, anyway, it's for sale. We don't know how much. It says price on request, and this is where Nick comes in.
8:35 Speaker 06 I called them Saturday, got their voicemail. So I still don't know how much they won, or even if it's available. I have to imagine they've been just flooded with, because they're not pricing, putting the price on the website. The only way to call is to find out is a call. And so there's gotta be a lot of people just for fun calling them, and they must be so annoyed. Anytime like a car dealership gets a car like this, like they're like, we've had 6,000 calls and not one serious offer on it. And I'm sure that's the case here.
9:00 Doug DeMuro? It's like when someone goes missing and police get 100,000 tips, but only like three of them are meaningful. I think that's it. And to be honest, I'm meaningful. If the dealer would get in touch with me and we have a conversation, I'd be interested in hearing what it cost. I would be a legitimate interested buyer, unlike 99.99% of people talking on the internet right now about this car. I will say, I was disappointed by one thing about it, um, that I didn't know, because they never, they never offered this car for sale. There's not a lot of pictures of it around. It's more race car than I expected. It has a roll cage, it has race seats, like real race seats with harnesses. It has like a battery kill switch, a fire extinguisher. I was hoping it was just like a signet.
9:38 Speaker 06 Yeah.
9:39 Doug DeMuro? Like, it would be, it would be annoying to use.
9:42 Speaker 06 I can, I can seat swap it for you. The cage might be a good idea, but um, yeah, here's, here's my offer to you. Two things. One, I'll do all the legwork for you.
9:51 Doug DeMuro? You'll do shore display?
9:52 Speaker 06 If, if you pay for it, I'll do paperwork. I will facilitate this transaction and decomplicate it for you.
9:58 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
9:58 Speaker 06 But I'm curious, since hopefully the, the seller's listening here, what's your starting offer here? What do we think this is actually worth?
10:05 Doug DeMuro? Personally, I would pay a couple hundred grand. I think they're gonna want a lot more than that, but I could be talked into a lot more than that under the right circumstances. I've always wanted a special one-off car that's like a real one-off, not like somebody built it in his garage, but like an automaker built it in special circumstances, like the Brunei cars, like the Ford GT90.
10:22 Speaker 06 Yeah.
10:22 Doug DeMuro? And this is like the peak duck, like it's the cuttiest, stupidest. And I have no doubt we could get it in here.
10:29 Speaker 06 All right, so 75 grand, that's US dollars, not the trash European currency.
10:36 Doug DeMuro? Holler.
10:36 Speaker 06 Sydney, UK. Whatever that is, pounds, euros, francs, who knows? Deutschmark. Um, we got tariffs. You better sell it to him quick, otherwise he won't be able to come in. You have until April 1st.
10:49 Doug DeMuro? I'm legitimately interested in the car. I would love to have a discussion with the seller just to get a little bit more information about. The car has almost no miles on it, no surprise. It is unfortunately right-hand drive also, which would make it a little bit complicated.
11:00 Speaker 06 I mean, it makes sense.
11:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, makes sense. Since only a Brit would commission this vehicle, nobody else in any other country would have any interest in this trash.
11:08 Speaker 06 It's so cool.
11:09 Doug DeMuro? It is so cool. The wide...
11:13 Speaker 06 Are there photos of the engine bay in the listing?
11:15 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. I only briefly perused the listing. I know the car, you know. I want it. Make it happen.
11:20 Speaker 06 It'd be a good car for you.
11:21 Doug DeMuro? Figure out what it costs.
11:22 Speaker 06 The second offer that I want to give to you is if this falls through, I'm willing to import a multiple for you. Do all the work. I really want one. It seems affordable, way more affordable than this, like a 10th.
11:34 Doug DeMuro? I want to talk multiple in the next segment because there's something to discuss there. Nick has been floating interest in a multiple, which is interesting to watch.
11:40 Speaker 06 I'm frothing, all right? I got rid of a car this last week. It is time to fill that void.
11:45 Doug DeMuro? And the car is replaced, it is broken down twice in the last week.
11:48 Speaker 06 Multiple.
11:49 Doug DeMuro? Okay, let's finish up the news stories. Move on to the next news story here.
11:52 Speaker 06 Yes. If the Signet is the second most interesting car for sale, this is the first.
11:56 Doug DeMuro? This is the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life.
11:58 Speaker 06 So this is the elongation by Mansari of the Cybertruck.
12:02 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
12:02 Speaker 06 It is largely carbon fiber that they added to the 6,800-pound vehicle for styling purposes. So you can see there that sort of like extra window, the side flares, all that.
12:12 Doug DeMuro? It does look like it was added. Like, it doesn't look like they removed any of the Tesla. How could you?
12:17 Speaker 06 Like glue. Probably. Double-sided tape.
12:19 Doug DeMuro? Double-sided tape, yeah.
12:20 Speaker 06 Inside, you can get a bedazzled Mansari logo on the door cards. There's a handful of other things, but purely cosmetic. There's no functional... Oh, and it's 26-inch rims, and I will use rims intentionally to describe those. So that is it. They describe on their website that this brings it up to the Mansari brand promised envision.
12:40 Doug DeMuro? What is the cost of this vehicle? Do we know?
12:42 Speaker 06 It's not public.
12:43 Doug DeMuro? What do you think is more expensive, the V8 Signet or the Mansari elongated?
12:48 Speaker 06 The V8 Signet.
12:49 Doug DeMuro? You think the V8 saying, what do you think it costs a million bucks?
12:51 Speaker 07 No, a couple, a few hundred.
12:53 Doug DeMuro? If it was 300, I would have a real conversation.
12:56 Speaker 07 There's no chances more than 300.
12:57 Speaker 06 This better be less than 300.
12:58 Doug DeMuro? But that's what Mansari does.
12:59 Speaker 07 Cybertruck is worth 75 grand.
13:01 Doug DeMuro? But that's what Mansari does.
13:02 Speaker 06 No, I bet it's at least a hundred thousand dollars worth of carbon fiber parts.
13:06 Doug DeMuro? I bet it's like 300 grand over. Either way, it's the ugliest thing you're seeing. Unbelievably, this is not the ugliest Mansari vehicle to see.
13:12 Speaker 07 It's one of the nicer.
13:13 Doug DeMuro? It's quite restrained by Mansari.
13:15 Speaker 07 They didn't do much.
13:16 Doug DeMuro? Mostly because the car is already so heinous.
13:19 Speaker 07 It's kind of insane. I do not hate the light bar treatment at the top.
13:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the light bar is cool. They should have done that. Kind of looks like ears or eyes.
13:26 Speaker 06 Isn't that a regulation thing you can't, it has to be done aftermarket?
13:30 Doug DeMuro? Probably, but this would be in the aftermarket.
13:33 Speaker 06 Yeah, I mean.
13:34 Doug DeMuro? The ironic thing is Mansari primarily makes cars for Europe, but the Cybertruck's not sold in Europe. And maybe they sell these things in the States too.
13:40 Speaker 07 They're trying to expand to the Texas market.
13:42 Doug DeMuro? Maybe they're trying to bring Texans on board. I think even Texans would look at this and be like, Nope. This is.
13:48 Speaker 07 Yeah.
13:49 Doug DeMuro? This is.
13:49 Speaker 07 It's tough.
13:50 Doug DeMuro? This is way too showy even for a Preston Hollow.
13:53 Speaker 06 The lease deals are getting down, like the inventory's getting up. This is not, they're having trouble moving it. So, and the main reason it's not selling is because it's a little too flashy.
14:01 Speaker 07 Yeah. So like. It's because it's not carbon fiber.
14:03 Doug DeMuro? Not carbon fiber.
14:04 Speaker 07 That actually removes some of the flash in it.
14:06 Speaker 06 A lack of forged carbon fiber.
14:07 Doug DeMuro? Heinous thing. On to the next story. Ooh, some sort of Suzuki Jimny.
14:10 Speaker 07 Yeah, this is an interesting rendering. Mercedes has said this week that they are planning on building a smaller G-Wagon.
14:16 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
14:17 Speaker 07 There's very little other information. You ready? There's clearly a market for this. Smart is the right response.
14:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Can't believe they haven't already.
14:23 Speaker 07 The normal G-Wagon is large and costs 150 grand. You could imagine a 70, 80, even a little bit north of that.
14:29 Doug DeMuro? Compete with this small one, new Defender.
14:31 Speaker 07 Or the GX is incredibly popular. Defender is still popular-ish. People want off-roader-y ones, off-roader SUVs, make a small one.
14:38 Speaker 06 The Bronco Sport.
14:39 Doug DeMuro? The G-Wagon has gotten to a point where.
14:42 Speaker 07 Unrelated, but yeah.
14:44 Speaker 06 They're boxy.
14:45 Doug DeMuro? It's a similar idea.
14:46 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah, just the Bronco Sport for the person that got their first promo. They're VP now. They want people to know.
14:52 Doug DeMuro? It's kind of true. I mean.
14:53 Speaker 06 Yeah.
14:53 Doug DeMuro? That PR firm is really killing it. It doesn't have the cred that the regular Bronco ever will, but like they sell to a lot of people. They're trying to capitalize on the name, just like this will. It does make sense. The only thing that's surprising is they haven't already done it.
15:06 Speaker 06 Yep.
15:07 Doug DeMuro? And I totally see it happening. Also, the regular G-Wagon has gotten so expensive and so supply constrained.
15:13 Speaker 06 Yeah.
15:14 Doug DeMuro? That it's kind of difficult to buy and Mercedes must be sitting there banging their heads against the wall like if we could just make more of these, we could have, sell more, make more money.
15:21 Speaker 06 Right.
15:21 Doug DeMuro? Here's a way to make more of them. Probably won't be built in Graz anymore.
15:24 Speaker 06 I'm assuming not, yeah.
15:25 Doug DeMuro? Unless it takes over the production capacity for the Toyota Supra.
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16:30 Doug DeMuro? So there's no actual information here, just confirmation that it is something they're planning on building.
16:35 Speaker 06 That's cool.
16:35 Doug DeMuro? We'll see more.
16:35 Speaker 06 I'm into it.
16:36 Doug DeMuro? It's probably a couple of years away, but you've got to assume this thing is.
16:39 Speaker 06 This would sell so well.
16:40 Doug DeMuro? It would sell so well. If they could price this like a Defender.
16:43 Speaker 07 Or even a little bit more than that, who cares?
16:45 Speaker 06 Yeah, but regardless, this would sell, sell, sell.
16:47 Speaker 07 The EQB kind, or no, what is it?
16:49 Speaker 06 It is the B, whatever, the GLSB.
16:51 Speaker 07 The GLB or the EQB.
16:53 Speaker 06 The EQB being the latter person.
16:54 Speaker 07 It's kind of boxy and small.
16:55 Speaker 06 It is.
16:56 Doug DeMuro? Mercedes has tried this before, it should be pointed out. The GLB is one example, the GLK was the first. You know, Mercedes entered the compact luxury SUV segment with the GLK, it was like 2008. And they decided, they looked at the segment and they thought the segment was primarily made of cars that were sort of smooth lined. And they knew they had this G-Wagon, so they come out with the GLK, which was supposed to be a kind of boxy version of a small SUV. The attempt was to appeal to people interested in G-Wagons. It had no effect, it appealed to the same people as the X3 and all them, but.
17:23 Speaker 07 You know the most fun fact about the GLB?
17:25 Doug DeMuro? Uh, it's bad.
17:27 Speaker 07 Three rows.
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18:34 Speaker 06 All right, give us the next one.
18:36 Doug DeMuro? Oh god, it's Roddy.
18:38 Speaker 06 I feel prepared to take this one as well.
18:40 Speaker 07 As a former Maserati owner.
18:41 Speaker 06 Maserati, yeah, as a former, and I'm good with keeping that as former. A former Maserati owner, Stellantis and/or whoever reports these things, sales were down 57% year over year. They sold more than, or less than half of the cars they sold the previous year. And last year, the previous year wasn't good either, so things are not looking good here.
19:00 Speaker 07 They had new products.
19:01 Doug DeMuro? Well, they do have a new Gran Turismo and an MC20, but they've got rid of all the SUVs.
19:05 Speaker 07 The Gracolly, it was still for sale in 2024.
19:07 Doug DeMuro? The Gracolly is bad.
19:07 Speaker 07 I know, but that was new.
19:09 Doug DeMuro? It's bad.
19:09 Speaker 07 That was new in 24.
19:11 Speaker 06 They don't have the excuse that their lineup is aging like Jaguar where they're like, we just haven't tried anything for 10 years. Like, they're trying.
19:17 Doug DeMuro? They have some new products, but keep in mind, this is so laughably overpriced. This has to be the most overpriced car, maybe in the entire history of the automotive industry. It's up there with the UAB and Puma.
19:30 Doug DeMuro? That is a deep cut. Figure it out.
19:33 Speaker 06 Yeah.
19:34 Doug DeMuro? This car is probably $150,000 more expensive than it should be. And Nick's over here saying, that car costs over $150,000.
19:39 Speaker 06 The Puma. Well, it's so true because I was just in Florida for two weeks and you see Gran Turismos everywhere. And it's because they couldn't get into a Ferrari and they wanted that prestige but for the cheap. Now that the Roma and the Gran Turismo are like same ballpark, who on earth would buy the Stellantis over the Ferrari?
19:59 Doug DeMuro? The Gran Turismo is still cheaper, but not so much cheaper. And also you know.
20:03 Speaker 06 If they're both over 200, then like.
20:04 Doug DeMuro? Well, the Romas are about three. This is cheaper, but you also know what's going to happen when you buy this. Which is that tomorrow it will be worth $1,100 at a trade-in at a dealership in Florida. This is a valueless car. It is a bad, valueless car, which is how Maserati makes their vehicles, except the MC20, which is actually pretty good. The real story, by the way, is that Ferrari outsold Maserati, which is unbelievable because Maserati is the volume brand that's supposed to like, it's like the Honda to their Acura. Imagine if Honda, if Aker outsold Honda.
20:35 Speaker 07 I was just.
20:36 Doug DeMuro? Terrible, terrible, terrible situation for Maserati because they make bad cars. They bastardize their lineup. They bastardize their lineup by radically increasing volume, trying to go after these SUVs, which didn't really sell. Lease payments, lease deals, and this is what you get when that happens.
20:53 Speaker 07 I'm still stuck on the fact that they in 2024 released a new small SUV. The small luxury SUV segment is the hottest segment and they still have, like, how do you?
21:01 Doug DeMuro? It's overpriced. It's overpriced and people don't trust that brand. They know depreciation is crazy. As a result, lease deals can't be what they need to be. And nobody wants to buy these things. It's laughable. And the car is too expensive to begin with. All the Maseratis are too expensive to begin with. They think they can trade on their brand name, but what they're forgetting is their brand name is destroyed because they destroyed it.
21:23 Speaker 06 Yeah. And, and their CEO said, we're not gonna, we're not gonna get rid of the brand, no matter how bad it gets. But that is what every CEO says right before they get rid of the brand.
21:31 Doug DeMuro? No, I, the Maserati brand is too valuable to get rid of, too valuable, but they can't.
21:36 Speaker 06 They gotta pivot.
21:36 Doug DeMuro? They gotta change.
21:37 Speaker 06 They need to take a leap year like Jaguar and just find themselves, find themselves. Not a leap year.
21:43 Doug DeMuro? A gap year.
21:43 Speaker 06 A gap year.
21:44 Doug DeMuro? They need to be a ski instructor.
21:46 Speaker 06 Maybe a leap year too.
21:46 Doug DeMuro? They need to go to Eldora and be a ski instructor.
21:49 Speaker 06 By the way, EV, some ketamine.
21:51 Doug DeMuro? This is an EV. That's true. But it's 700 some horsepower and still nobody's interested. I tell you, I've only seen maybe three of these new Gran Trismos. Car is dead in the water.
21:58 Speaker 06 I saw a couple in Florida.
21:59 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
21:59 Speaker 06 Yeah.
22:01 Doug DeMuro? Probably at 100.
22:02 Speaker 06 Sales. It was one of those cars you see and you like pat yourself on the back like, wow, I know cars so well, I can tell them apart.
22:08 Doug DeMuro? And meanwhile, the original came out in 09.
22:10 Speaker 06 Yeah, I know. It's insane.
22:12 Doug DeMuro? It's insane.
22:13 Speaker 06 You had a beautiful red one on the site recently, or maybe it's still live.
22:15 Doug DeMuro? Still on and it's beautiful.
22:16 Speaker 06 And I would take that over the new one, like just.
22:19 Doug DeMuro? Because it's gonna sell for 30. Pull this thing up.
22:21 Speaker 06 If, yeah, I mean, no offense to the seller, but.
22:23 Doug DeMuro? It's a low mile car. It's a low mile car and it's.
22:25 Speaker 06 It's so cool.
22:26 Speaker 07 It's gorgeous.
22:26 Doug DeMuro? This is a really cool car. The difference is this one's gonna sell for 30. The other one is 250. They look the same and don't perform that differently either.
22:36 Speaker 07 Yikes of a brand.
22:38 Doug DeMuro? Yikes of rant. Okay, next news.
22:40 Speaker 06 They did just drop a new merch line and it's like targeted at Gen Z like it is the most it's like a T-shirt that's $75 and like has some like hipster thing that like no one would understand.
22:51 Doug DeMuro? The concept that they think people are gonna buy merch, the brand is no value. I'd be embarrassed to walk around and he wore it ironically. Cause he bought a car, bought a Maserati for $17,000.
22:59 Speaker 06 That polo I bought for $90 from North Sales in Maserati, it fell apart after three months. Which is so indicative of the brand, like just trash all around.
23:07 Speaker 07 They can't even make a polo. Do you think that Kenan's gonna go to Maserati now the Ferrari is doing too much volume? Maserati, you know, smaller volume manufacturer.
23:15 Doug DeMuro? We should say Kenan, Ferrari's the big brand, but Maserati is for the real enthusiast. Maybe that's what they should lean into. Oh, here's a vehicle floating. You know about this?
23:23 Speaker 06 No.
23:23 Doug DeMuro? Okay, tell them a little bit about the floating car, then tell them the story.
23:26 Speaker 07 You tell them about the floating car or tell them about the dash news.
23:28 Doug DeMuro? China is all EVs and so they, in order for their EVs to sell, they have to have some sort of cool gimmick. And so there is a Chinese sport utility vehicle that floats.
23:36 Speaker 07 For 30 minutes.
23:37 Doug DeMuro? For 30 minutes, 5 miles an hour.
23:39 Speaker 07 That's all you need.
23:41 Speaker 07 For what? Fundamentally, you drive into a lake, you only need 30 minutes.
23:45 Doug DeMuro? After about 20, you're like, what?
23:47 Speaker 06 That song by Eminem and Dido where he drives into a lake, like 30 minutes would have been enough.
23:52 Speaker 07 The one where he drives off a bridge?
23:54 Speaker 06 He was upset with his girlfriend or Eminem.
23:56 Doug DeMuro? What does Dido have to do with it?
23:57 Speaker 06 The tea's gone cold, I'm wondering why.
24:00 Doug DeMuro? Okay, okay, okay. I don't think Eminem was in that song, but anyway.
24:04 Speaker 07 It's all good. I don't know.
24:05 Doug DeMuro? The news story I'm really doing to the floating car.
24:07 Speaker 07 It doesn't matter.
24:07 Doug DeMuro? The news story is.
24:08 Speaker 07 Chinese brands were 76% of global EV sales in 2024.
24:12 Doug DeMuro? That is wild.
24:13 Speaker 07 76%.
24:13 Doug DeMuro? Wait, Chinese brands or cars sold in China?
24:16 Speaker 07 Chinese brands.
24:17 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so that's a global.
24:18 Speaker 07 Globally, 76%. So to keep in mind, they sell zero cars in the US.
24:21 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
24:21 Speaker 07 Yeah, which is the second largest car market, maybe the largest car market in the world.
24:24 Doug DeMuro? They don't need the US. This is what I'm talking about. This is why the US should continue to incentivize electric vehicles. Because China has shown up and China is here with, we can't even get EVs out the door that are any good, except for Tesla. China's got EVs that float. They're selling 76% of EVs. Eventually, the market will be forced to make a transition to EVs. And guess who's going to be there? Already 10 years ahead of everybody else.
24:49 Speaker 07 Already.
24:49 Doug DeMuro? It's terrifying.
24:50 Speaker 07 In Europe, depending on the country, between like 2% and 10% of EV sales are from Chinese brands, and that's in Europe. And then obviously the-
24:56 Doug DeMuro? And that's in Europe, which is historically anxious about buying cars from outside.
25:01 Speaker 07 Nationalists, let's say, in their car preferences.
25:03 Doug DeMuro? And so they won't buy Hondas in Europe.
25:05 Speaker 07 Right. They've really infiltrated the, a lot of the developing markets. Then the Brazil market, Chinese EVs are a huge percentage of EV sales.
25:11 Doug DeMuro? Mexico, they're around.
25:12 Speaker 07 Mexico and other parts of the world. It's notable, 76%.
25:16 Doug DeMuro? The only countries-
25:16 Speaker 07 Without the US.
25:17 Doug DeMuro? The only countries where Chinese EVs aren't selling are ones that have tariffed Chinese EVs out of existence.
25:21 Speaker 07 Yep.
25:22 Doug DeMuro? Europe doesn't have that luxury.
25:24 Speaker 07 No.
25:24 Doug DeMuro? Because they're the cheap ones there.
25:25 Speaker 06 If I'm a manufacturer in China, I would be thinking about buying the name and branding of Jaguar or Maserati.
25:32 Doug DeMuro? You say it.
25:32 Speaker 06 Even at the 25% tariff, Maserati's already 25% tariffing themselves by charging more than that worth it's worth.
25:38 Doug DeMuro? Well, remember, China did this with Volvo, China did this with Lotus, China did this with, I mean, this is-
25:43 Speaker 07 That's a strategy.
25:44 Doug DeMuro? This is, this is a legitimate strategy.
25:46 Speaker 06 But I feel like you could buy these brands cheap right now or sad or like find an old one.
25:49 Doug DeMuro? I don't disagree. It gets them into the West.
25:50 Speaker 06 Packer.
25:51 Doug DeMuro? They'd have to build the cars not in China.
25:53 Speaker 06 Yeah.
25:53 Doug DeMuro? Which is, which honestly is one of their big competitive advantages. They're able to build the cars cheaply. Every time we have a segment like this, people are like, "They're using sweatshops." I don't know about that, but they're building them cheaper than they are in the States. So they would have to figure out a workaround for that.
26:04 Speaker 06 Like a lot of people-
26:04 Doug DeMuro? Can't build them in Canada right now either.
26:06 Speaker 06 Right. A lot of people won't care. Well, how they're made, if it's ethical, some people will. That's true. I agree. I mean, you know, people buy at Walmart because it's cheaper, not because it's like made more.
26:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they're not really going upstream to look at how it's built.
26:18 Speaker 07 But 76% is a striking number.
26:21 Doug DeMuro? 76%. I'm telling you, this is where China dominates. And in 10 years, when the US market is forced to accept EVs, as gas prices continue to rise, et cetera, et cetera, people are going to be like, "Oh, now I need an EV." And who's got the expertise in building them? Unless we incentivize them in the US, China does. They build one that floats. Maki doesn't float.
26:39 Speaker 07 Probably.
26:40 Doug DeMuro? You been in a Maki? Doesn't float. I was in a Maki taxi in Copenhagen.
26:45 Speaker 07 Ooh, how pleasant.
26:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:48 Speaker 07 All right. This is the Volvo ES90.
26:51 Doug DeMuro? EX90.
26:52 Speaker 07 ES90. It is their new EV sedan.
26:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:55 Speaker 07 I want to say two things about it and then we can move on.
26:57 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
26:58 Speaker 07 It is currently for sale in Europe. You can order it already in Europe. We don't know when it's coming to the US. It is obviously the replacement for the S90 and its EV. It is on an 800 volt architecture, so in theory it can charge like 140 miles in 10 minutes, which is really notable for places where that is feasible, for chargers where that is feasible, rather.
27:15 Doug DeMuro? Nowhere.
27:16 Speaker 07 And it is otherwise.
27:17 Doug DeMuro? Not even the dealers.
27:17 Speaker 07 Yeah. Take the EX90, same like interior, same screens, et cetera. Sedan, you're done.
27:24 Doug DeMuro? May I ask you a question about this car? The reason I want to talk about this new story?
27:28 Doug DeMuro? I have a lot of heart warm fuzzies for Volvo. I think a lot of consumers do. Honestly, I think Volvo is the one brand that manages to be a luxury brand without being like a only assholes drive it brand.
27:38 Speaker 07 Totally.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? However, what is Polestar? If Volvo is gonna make an electric little, which is the EX40, 30, EX30.
27:48 Speaker 07 You got it.
27:49 Doug DeMuro? If they're gonna make an electric big, the EX90, and now they're doing a sedan, which looks a lot like the Polestar 2. I'm sure it's bigger.
27:54 Speaker 07 It is notably bigger than.
27:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I'm sure it's bigger because it's replaced.
27:57 Speaker 07 And it doesn't really look like a Polestar 2, other than they're both sedans.
28:00 Doug DeMuro? If Nick saw one of these, he'd think it was a Polestar 2. So what is Polestar?
28:04 Speaker 07 Yeah.
28:05 Doug DeMuro? Like, why did they do this? The Volvo brand, I don't think they needed a new brand. The Polestar brand is confused. The naming makes no sense. The one was a disaster.
28:13 Speaker 07 Yep.
28:14 Doug DeMuro? Like, why not just go with Volvo?
28:16 Speaker 07 I similarly don't quite understand.
28:19 Doug DeMuro? If they're gonna.
28:19 Speaker 07 I thought it was supposed to be like an AMG to Mercedes, like the more luxury. And like the Polestar engineered S60, V60, or Polestar.
28:27 Doug DeMuro? Were faster.
28:28 Speaker 07 Were faster.
28:28 Doug DeMuro? But then they've switched it, although there are still Polestar engineered regular Volvos, which doesn't make any sense, but then they switched it. And Polestar is now, they sent me a Polestar XC60 like three weeks ago.
28:38 Speaker 07 The V60 is gone, but the.
28:40 Doug DeMuro? Then they switched it and it became a pure electric brand, but they're also making electric Volvos.
28:44 Speaker 07 Yeah.
28:44 Doug DeMuro? It doesn't make any sense.
28:45 Speaker 07 I think that they thought, okay, we weren't confident enough to put the Volvo name behind us. Let's see what name we can put behind a Polestar 2. And they probably regret it. I will, can I say one other thing about the sedan? You're familiar with the S90.
29:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
29:01 Speaker 07 And S90L.
29:02 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
29:02 Speaker 07 Here's a fun fact, S90L, sold in the US, made in China. One of two vehicles that I can think of.
29:06 Doug DeMuro? They pay the tariffs?
29:08 Speaker 07 I don't, the S90L is maybe not sold anymore, but it was till a couple of years ago. There's one other car.
29:14 Doug DeMuro? Polestar, the Buick Envision.
29:16 Speaker 07 Well done.
29:17 Doug DeMuro? Polestar has allowed Volvo to do a couple of things.
29:20 Speaker 07 Yeah.
29:21 Doug DeMuro? Create a whole new brand, like with no preconceptions and sell direct.
29:27 Speaker 07 That's notable.
29:28 Doug DeMuro? So I think that's why they did it.
29:29 Speaker 07 You're right.
29:30 Doug DeMuro? But like the Volvo brand, to the first point, the Volvo brand was pretty strong.
29:33 Speaker 07 Yeah.
29:34 Doug DeMuro? The second thing is probably the real reason they did it, but direct sales don't really help if you're stealing, if you're stealing sales from your own products and if nobody's really buying them. And I hate to say it, I liked the Polestar 3, but have you seen one?
29:44 Speaker 07 Yeah, yes, sir.
29:45 Doug DeMuro? I've seen one.
29:46 Speaker 07 Sorry, yes, sir.
29:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
29:47 Speaker 07 I will say, I think there is truth to just, they want to be able to do direct sales. They want to be able to experiment more quickly.
29:53 Doug DeMuro? That's kind of it.
29:55 Speaker 07 Eventually, I would not be shocked if they roll back in. By the way, Volvo in other markets also owns Lincoln Co., which is another manufacturer that does like weird leaf saying.
30:04 Doug DeMuro? Lincoln Co., notable manufacturer of cars with one spoke of alloy wheels painted a different color than the rest.
30:09 Speaker 07 That's so true.
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30:55 Doug DeMuro? We got Nick here, Nick's got a lot to talk about. Nick, start us off with the QP5 sale. Nick sold his QP5 on the site, you can pull it up. Quattroporte. Quattroporte.
31:04 Speaker 06 Fifth gen. It's sold. I'm, uh, it actually has already been picked up. We did like the whole safe pay thing, which despite knowing you all and talking about cars all the time, I had no idea how it worked. Really easy, but.
31:15 Doug DeMuro? It's great.
31:15 Speaker 06 Yeah, it, um, it was unusual. So it got listed and got bid up pretty quickly. I think it was at like 15 the first day or so. Uh, then like the, the final day, like it was just like one bid won it over what it was at. But, um, I'm thrilled. The, the guy that bought it is in New York. Actually, my air tag is tracking it. So it's in New York already.
31:34 Doug DeMuro? You left an air tag in somebody else's?
31:35 Speaker 06 I shared it with him so that he could track it too. I'm like, I'm not kind of a seller. Um, and if they're in a keychain, but yeah, it's, it's gone.
31:42 Doug DeMuro? So the fellow who bought it also bought this really nice E55.
31:45 Speaker 06 And he still has it. I think he's going to get rid of one and replace it with the other, but, um, yeah, he's, he's an enthusiast of that era sedan, which.
31:53 Doug DeMuro? Love it.
31:53 Speaker 06 Blame him.
31:54 Doug DeMuro? It was easy. It, it, to my knowledge, the car sold, it was like title was gone.
31:59 Speaker 06 It was way too, I mean, I was like paid within 48 hours.
32:02 Doug DeMuro? Which I'm like, when you bought the car with.
32:04 Speaker 06 Yeah.
32:04 Doug DeMuro? On Facebook Marketplace.
32:05 Speaker 06 You tried to fail to pay. Weeks of getting titles signed and affidavited and whatnot.
32:10 Doug DeMuro? Cars and bids makes it happen easy and fast.
32:13 Speaker 06 It, it certainly is better than Facebook Marketplace for ease of transaction, to say the least. But yeah, no, I mean, it, it was so fun. We just posted a video today with like the kind of best hits of all the.
32:22 Doug DeMuro? Break down the cost. I know it's, you got the video out today, but break down the cost. You sold it. What'd you buy it for?
32:27 Speaker 06 I bought it for 14.
32:28 Doug DeMuro? 14.
32:28 Speaker 06 I spent 10 on maintenance and repairs.
32:31 Doug DeMuro? 10 on maintenance repairs and you sold it for 17, 750.
32:34 Speaker 06 So, and I, I rented it once on Taro for 250. So I basically, I met 18 and I sold it, or I was into it 24. So I lost six grand on it, um, which was to be expected. I think when I knew I was over 20 and into it, that there was just no way it was gonna.
32:48 Doug DeMuro? We were all, we as a collective friend group, me and the three of us, plus a couple of other people who don't appear on screen, or sometimes they do, we're all a little surprised that you went as far as you did on putting, making it as nice as you did. Painting the wheels.
33:01 Speaker 06 Yeah.
33:01 Doug DeMuro? You did pull off clear in front of my house.
33:03 Speaker 06 Yeah, some of it was self inflicted wounds. Um, I, the alternator might've been my fault for pressure washing the engine bay. I mean, like I, I could've done things a little better.
33:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
33:13 Speaker 06 Or at least more cost consciously, not better.
33:15 Doug DeMuro? It is one of the highest quarter to hills.
33:18 Speaker 06 Especially for the mileage. The mileage is what hurt it, but I just said, I want spec. I don't care of miles.
33:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, all these that were much higher had really low miles. 10,000, 31, 18.
33:28 Speaker 07 You said 90.
33:29 Doug DeMuro? You said 90, but it was a really nice car that presented really well because you painted the wheels. You know, we later found out the wheels were black originally, but it looks so much better in silver. It's like not even describable.
33:40 Speaker 06 This is just like the 2010, the 2015 was like, the R or black wheels were actually cool. Um, no offense if you have them, but it just.
33:48 Doug DeMuro? Some cars look good in them, but this car looks so good like this.
33:51 Speaker 06 Blue and black don't work as well, in my opinion.
33:53 Doug DeMuro? It really doesn't work.
33:54 Speaker 06 So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's gone. I'm sad. It is like, I enjoy, like this is a trophy. I get these pictures printed out that Frank does. I think they come out like amazing and like, it's fun to see all the enthusiasm in the comments. And it's funny, a couple of people were razzing me about the Montana license plate thing, which was like, it's annoying, but it's my fault. I should remove the plates for the photos or just register in California.
34:18 Speaker 07 The other option.
34:19 Speaker 06 Yeah. It did pass smog. Like I did it the last day of the auction and it passed uneventfully.
34:23 Doug DeMuro? I will say, I, I don't, I'm not a, I don't do the Montana thing. I don't necessarily support the Montana thing. Um, the, uh, one argument in your favor, the car didn't sell in California. So everybody complains about this. I, I always tell people, people are always like, oh, should I renew the plates? Should I pass smog?
34:37 Speaker 06 Yeah.
34:38 Doug DeMuro? I always tell people, nah, wait, just wait till the auction's over. Because a lot of times a car doesn't sell in California, you don't have to do that stuff.
34:43 Speaker 07 I should say, back fees stay with the car. So if you owe back registration, pay that.
34:48 Doug DeMuro? Did you know that?
34:49 Speaker 06 I did. I thought it depended by state by state.
34:51 Doug DeMuro? But like, if you're a month or two overdue, I always tell people, whatever, but California back fees stay with the car. So the car ever comes back into California, you owe back fees.
34:57 Speaker 06 My Celine, whoever owns that now, you've got a couple of years of back fees.
35:00 Doug DeMuro? No, no, you owe it because.
35:02 Speaker 06 But the guy I had it had, it just sat in a driveway for.
35:04 Doug DeMuro? He may have had it PNO though, in which case.
35:06 Speaker 06 He did not. This was disclosed when I bought it from him. And I said, oh, Montana doesn't care and they don't.
35:13 Doug DeMuro? Regardless, you're going to title the next car in California and let's.
35:16 Speaker 06 Well, I'm, I'm trying to title it in, in the state of California. That is continued to find it passing smog.
35:21 Doug DeMuro? Let's talk about the next car. Have you announced this yet? Do you have a video up yet? It's on your.
35:25 Speaker 06 No, we've got a video draft. It'll go up soon. Um, so sneak peek here for those that care. Somehow, there you go. Oh, yeah, there you go. Thanks.
35:33 Doug DeMuro? Here's Nick's Insta, and there's a picture of his.
35:36 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah, there's, if you do that, there's a reel of multiples, but.
35:39 Doug DeMuro? This is Nick in his three cars before the QP went and when he had just bought the.
35:44 Speaker 06 2002 Bentley Arnage T. 645 foot pound of torque on a 4-speed GM automatic transmission.
35:50 Doug DeMuro? It was a good trans.
35:51 Speaker 06 Glorious. It's called Black Velvet, but in sunlight, it looks purple. And then in darker light, it looks closer to a black. The interior is called Redwood, but it's somewhere between like a red and a brown. So there's been a lot of debate in my household. My kids say it's the color of poo poo and keep going on the brown motif. But I say it's a purple Bentley. And it is total hoopy status. I got it. One door didn't open, two windows don't go down.
36:15 Doug DeMuro? To be clear.
36:15 Speaker 06 Check engine light, ABS light, brake light. A general exclamation point of which it doesn't tell you why.
36:20 Doug DeMuro? This was a car, this was a bring a trailer purchase with hundreds of failure to disclose.
36:25 Speaker 06 It's outrageous.
36:27 Doug DeMuro? Hundreds of non-disclosed issues that it had when it arrived. But you were expecting it because it's an Arnage.
36:32 Speaker 06 I was expecting it to be bad, however, like. If you're selling a car and a door doesn't open. The buyer will figure that out pretty quickly. And it behooves you to explain that, you know?
36:42 Doug DeMuro? Please explain that.
36:43 Speaker 06 I even, I was able to fix it myself in like 20 minutes. The amount of things I could fix, like the wheels were insanely dirty. And like you just take like a little drill polisher, they look fine.
36:52 Doug DeMuro? They do now.
36:53 Speaker 06 The dude could have spent an hour and had this car present a lot better, but like. It was, there was plenty of brown M and M's there to say this car has been neglected.
37:01 Doug DeMuro? Neglected. However, you're getting it back in better shape, except for the fact that. You have had two fluid leaks, different fluids in the last 36, 40.
37:10 Speaker 06 I think it's, oh, yeah, in the last 36 hours, then, yeah, it's done. The coolant, they meant to top up the fluid and left the lid loose.
37:19 Doug DeMuro? There's a brown M and M thing for you. Should I go to the shop that leaves the coolant lid loose? Well, maybe, but if there's also a hydraulic fluid leak when it comes home from the shop.
37:29 Speaker 06 Then you don't see it, right? The one fluid covers up the other and it kind of swirls. My driveway is such a mess right now. And so I posted on Instagram, like, how do you get rid of hydraulic fluid? The first person's like, oh, Don dish up. The next person goes blowtorch and they're serious. They're like, just burn it with fire and it'll go away.
37:46 Doug DeMuro? I will say one thing, Nick, and I'm excited to see all of the, oh, this is.
37:49 Speaker 06 This was this morning. I thought about trying to drive it back to the mechanic. And but I was worried it was going to run out of fluid before I got there. And that just wasn't worth it.
37:58 Doug DeMuro? I will say, Nick, and I was talking to you about this at Cars and Coffee. I have stopped buying cars, which is sad to me to exist. I love the cars I have dearly. I mean, I think they're the coolest cars in the world. Every time I drive them, I'm so happy. But generally, I've stopped buying cars. However, Nick is buying them for us.
38:12 Speaker 06 I know, it's so good.
38:13 Doug DeMuro? Like, I've always wanted an Arnage.
38:15 Speaker 06 Who hasn't?
38:16 Doug DeMuro? Here, right, who hasn't? Arnage T, that's like the dream. And now Nick has done this. And I actually legitimately think that Nick has been able to prolong my own desire to buy cars by just cycling through. I always wanted a P38. I wasn't really always looking for a QP, but it was nice to experience. I drove it to the doctor one day, the day that I got the bandage.
38:35 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah?
38:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
38:37 Speaker 06 So you were bleeding in my car?
38:39 Doug DeMuro? Uh, no, the bandage was on before.
38:40 Speaker 06 Okay.
38:41 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
38:42 Speaker 06 I would have just.
38:42 Doug DeMuro? Except for the way there.
38:46 Doug DeMuro? And and I got to drive the Arnage a couple things. Great. I truly think that your crazy decisions have prolonged my own desire to buy cars. It's been wonderful. It's so wonderful to have you in our lives.
38:57 Speaker 06 It is, and thank you for letting us drive it. For example, driving the QP5 made me realize I don't want to own it. It was great.
39:02 Doug DeMuro? I will say, like, in all.
39:03 Speaker 06 It's a great car, but.
39:04 Doug DeMuro? Driving the Arnage was wonderful, but it's not that it made me realize I don't want to own it, but it did make me realize, like, I'm happy to drive it five or six. Like, I'm, I don't want to purchase it. I want to, I want one and I want to drive it and I want to experience it. But I don't necessarily, I want a friend with one.
39:18 Speaker 06 Yeah, and it's the best. It's the, uh, the only thing better than having a yacht as a friend with a yacht. Yep. And you are a friend with a yacht. Land yacht. Yeah, in this case.
39:26 Doug DeMuro? Can we talk multiple?
39:27 Speaker 06 Yes, I really want it. Speaking of me enabling you or you enabling me.
39:31 Doug DeMuro? Me and him have always been talking about buying a multiple. I bought an A-Class instead.
39:34 Speaker 06 So badly.
39:35 Doug DeMuro? I bought an A-Class instead because the multiple wasn't legal when I bought my A-Class. And, um, and I, the A-Class experience was so not good that I have no interest in doing this. Again, Filippo has always wanted a Multipla for a lot of reasons, but because he's the cheapest person alive, he's not gonna do it. So the two of us are sitting here.
39:51 Speaker 06 Should we?
39:52 Doug DeMuro? Most of what we talk about is how we wanna multiply, and yet neither of us do it, and then you come to me.
39:56 Speaker 06 And it's doable. These are not expensive.
39:58 Doug DeMuro? You come to me this week and you're like, I wanna multiply.
40:00 Speaker 06 Yeah.
40:00 Doug DeMuro? Tell us.
40:01 Speaker 06 The amount of time we've spent debating on getting a Multipla, the opportunity cost of that time could have paid for one 10 times over.
40:07 Doug DeMuro? So what is the deal? Are you?
40:08 Speaker 06 I don't even care about the car. I just think we should do it. Like, I just think it would be funny, and honestly, it'd probably be reliable to get me to and from Eli's when it breaks.
40:16 Doug DeMuro? Are you, tell us about, is this real? Are you really serious?
40:19 Speaker 06 I'm dead serious.
40:20 Doug DeMuro? Alright, I'm gonna have you.
40:21 Speaker 06 I wanna, the other, so the selfish motivation is the YouTube series I do with you all. The idea is I get a car, it's kinda beat up. I fix it up, and then I present it nicely and show you that you can find a rough car and sell it for a profit, or at least more than you paid for it. However, I don't wanna sell the Bentley right away. I wanna hold on to it. I'm enjoying it too much. So this is kinda my summer thing. I can buy it and dump it.
40:43 Doug DeMuro? The Bentley's been broken half the time you've had it at least.
40:45 Speaker 06 Exactly. I've had it three months, and I've only driven it like 10 times, so like.
40:49 Doug DeMuro? Enjoying it too much.
40:50 Speaker 06 I need to, I need to expand that, that ownership, so.
40:52 Speaker 07 If you buy a Multipla, you can't sell the Multipla.
40:55 Doug DeMuro? Well.
40:56 Speaker 06 It needs to be in our life forever.
40:57 Doug DeMuro? If you, if you buy the Multipla and title it here, I bet you he buys it from you. Because the thing stopping him.
41:03 Speaker 06 Well, it'll, it'll be no reserve, and he can bet on it, and you can bet on it. I will have done all the hard work.
41:08 Doug DeMuro? He's gonna put us against each other.
41:08 Speaker 06 No one's sold a Multipla in any of the auction sites in the US anyways that I'm aware of.
41:12 Doug DeMuro? Oh, I've looked.
41:13 Speaker 06 Like, it, and I wanna get one that's a ridiculous spec, like purple with the like.
41:17 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
41:17 Speaker 06 The weird 90s fabric.
41:19 Doug DeMuro? Now they're becoming available. So I bought that A-Class two years ago, and the Multipla was just about to become legal. And the early ones, you, you didn't have a lot of choice, because you were looking for a few months of production.
41:29 Speaker 06 Yeah.
41:29 Doug DeMuro? Now you've got about two years of production you can choose from. Still very hard to find a nice Multipla, because they were driven hard.
41:36 Speaker 06 Because it doesn't exist.
41:37 Doug DeMuro? You would find one eventually, yeah.
41:38 Speaker 06 It's an oxymoron.
41:39 Doug DeMuro? The craziest interior, pull it up. Do you, are you aware of this?
41:43 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I went, I went purple somewhere in this vehicle.
41:45 Doug DeMuro? The absolute craziest interior in it, in a car that wasn't intended to be crazy that I've ever seen in my entire life.
41:51 Speaker 07 It was just a practical interior.
41:52 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, this is an absolutely crazy car. You're serious about this?
41:54 Speaker 06 Yes, I'm dead serious.
41:55 Doug DeMuro? Right now, after this pod, I'm gonna give you Rami's contact info. Shout out to Rami at Inbound Motorsports, the greatest car importer in the history. Pull him up, he's sold a ton of cars with us. And. And Rami brought my A-Class over. Yeah, pull up one of these.
42:09 Speaker 06 That Renault is cool.
42:10 Doug DeMuro? It was really cool.
42:11 Speaker 07 There's so many cool cars.
42:12 Doug DeMuro? Rami brings over weird stuff specifically. That Legnum wagon, BR4 wagon was so cool.
42:17 Speaker 06 You just gotta, you gotta, I don't know anything about values or whatever. So I just need you to say like, that's a good deal.
42:22 Doug DeMuro? Rami is the most honest person in the world, even though he's in New Jersey.
42:26 Speaker 06 So he'll tell me if like, one of the doors doesn't open or windows?
42:29 Doug DeMuro? He'll get it fixed for you. Cause basically, the way I did it with my A-Class, I was like, Rami, look, I want an A-Class, but I don't want to, I just want it to appear at Hyannis Airport on this day, perfect. And he was like, I'll do it.
42:38 Speaker 06 I don't need perfect.
42:39 Doug DeMuro? It did. Right. No, you don't.
42:40 Speaker 06 I'm, I'm good with the little flippant.
42:42 Doug DeMuro? He's got a guy on the ground in Europe, um, who will, who will find it for you.
42:46 Speaker 07 The hard part is finding it because there's not that many, we've, I've looked, there's not that many lowish, mild, decent condition multiples because they were just cars almost only sold in Italy.
42:56 Doug DeMuro? The difference between the multiple and the A-Class, the A-Class was sold in Germany, where people preserve their cars. The multiples are sold in Italy, where people do not preserve their cars. It's a little harder to find.
43:03 Speaker 07 They, they use their cars for their intended purpose and then they don't have any money. So before they keep using it, it's all true.
43:08 Speaker 06 Watchers or listeners are, got a line on a good multiple. You can also slide into my DMs, follow me on Insta.
43:14 Doug DeMuro? I got a line on a good multiple. Uh, okay. I want to talk about two other things, uh, in the talk car segment before we move on to the market report. Number one, yesterday, maybe it was the day before, I had a two hour lunch with the fellow who owned my Carrera GT from 2010 to 2020.
43:30 Speaker 07 Wow.
43:30 Doug DeMuro? And the way this came about was I, I bought my Carrera GT in Connecticut. It was in Greenwich. Uh, however, um, the second owner of the car, and actually the guy who owned it for the longest, was in San Diego, just by chance. So I sent him a text, uh, cause I saw it on this number on the service records and I was like, hey man, I'm, I have your Carrera GT. I think so, I think this is your car. And he instantly replied and was like, yep, here's a picture of it. Let's get lunch. I want to see it again. And, uh, so we did, and he had, it's, there it is.
43:58 Speaker 06 Yeah.
43:58 Doug DeMuro? And he had some great stories about his time with it, including that he could, could never get it into his house and had to leave it at a warehouse that he, that he rented. And never once did he get the car into his driveway because it's so low. Uh, I told him, I put on an axle lifter, flexing.
44:11 Speaker 07 Was he jealous?
44:12 Doug DeMuro? Um, he said as a result, it was a point eight, a point eight car for him. Like he would drive two. Warehouse, take the car around, then drive home like he couldn't really use it for anything.
44:21 Doug DeMuro? And he had fond memories with it, but he bought it for 300 and sold it for over 600. And so he felt like he did pretty well, even though values have gone up since then. He's not exactly unhappy with himself. He currently owns 21 Porsches.
44:33 Speaker 07 Wow.
44:34 Doug DeMuro? Including a bunch of cool stuff, 997 GT3 RS dot two, 997 Speedster, 718 Spider RS. His daily is a Cayenne Turbo GT and a beautiful 991 aero kit car. Not that I'm a Porsche guy.
44:48 Speaker 07 Sounds like it.
44:49 Doug DeMuro? But it was an interesting thing. I mean,
44:51 Speaker 07 Yeah, that's cool.
44:52 Doug DeMuro? This guy hasn't owned this car in six years, ish, five, six years. And he had it for a long part of its life. And it was kind of an interesting thing to meet up with a person such as that.
45:02 Speaker 07 That's very cool.
45:03 Doug DeMuro? Ron.
45:05 Speaker 07 I have a lot of questions about Ron, but.
45:06 Doug DeMuro? Go ahead.
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46:08 Speaker 07 I don't know what they are. Did he, did you go for a ride in it at all?
46:11 Doug DeMuro? No, maybe I should have taken him for a ride. I, I got the sense though that he kinda just bought and sold a bunch of stuff and like he missed the car, but like I got the sense he could buy one if he wanted.
46:19 Speaker 07 He sounds like it.
46:20 Doug DeMuro? And he, and he did, like he, he had his experience and he kept most of his cars. He has a property in, in the rural northwest and he kept most of his cars there. And he said the Carrera GT was just too low and too nice to like bring down the dirt road that his house is on.
46:32 Speaker 07 I mean, 10 years is a good run with any vehicle, right? Like I
46:35 Doug DeMuro? Got his experience.
46:35 Speaker 07 Don't think any of us held a car that long.
46:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. He remembered. It was amazing because he was like 80, but he remembered everything about the car, the serial number. He was even able to tell me the source of a dent that's on the inside of the driver's door jamb that I've never been able to figure out. And finally
46:49 Speaker 07 He was responsible?
46:50 Doug DeMuro? I know what it is.
46:51 Speaker 07 How nice.
46:52 Doug DeMuro? Um, the other thing I want to talk, my other talk cars segment.
46:54 Speaker 07 Please.
46:54 Doug DeMuro? I have a little story for everyone. Filippo is involved and I don't have the pictures yet, but Filippo and me and others brought all of my cars to one location for a photo shoot the other day.
47:04 Speaker 07 Quite a, quite a day.
47:06 Doug DeMuro? Tell us your experience.
47:07 Speaker 07 I got to drive a Ford GT, not for the first time. Uh, and it was pleasant. I treat driving other people's cars, it's for a purpose.
47:16 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
47:17 Speaker 07 Like it's to bring that car to that photo shoot. So I'm not like having fun in the Ford GT, but it's a pleasant car, except for one thing. The blinkers. When the blinkers are on, there's like a little like electrical noise.
47:28 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
47:29 Speaker 07 That is so frustrating.
47:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. If you don't have the, the radio on.
47:32 Speaker 07 And I don't, cause I'm not gonna, you know.
47:34 Doug DeMuro? It is, it is weird, the sound the turn signals make.
47:37 Speaker 07 I did get to listen to a Carrera GT and a Countach in front of me.
47:39 Doug DeMuro? If you were driving in San Diego on Sunday at four o'clock, you would have seen a Carrera, the G-Cab, a Carrera GT, a Countach and a Ford GT all following each other at the five.
47:50 Speaker 07 It was quite a, it was quite a scene. And then while we were at the location, an unrelated Ford GT drove by.
47:55 Doug DeMuro? Yes. Like, uh, it was an unbelievable experience to have them all out and terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. Okay, I'll post the pictures next week if I have them, they're really cool. You know how Mercedes Goings or Porsche 959s will typically always be valuable and continue to go up in value? It's kind of similar to gold, which is why we've partnered with a company called Aker Gold. Financial experts and big banks agree the value of gold is climbing new heights in 2025 and beyond. So, how do you get in? Buying gold can feel complicated and expensive, but Aker Gold subscriptions make it easy and affordable. With subscriptions from $30 to $250 per month, Aker Gold makes gold ownership a reality for every budget. How does it work? Make automatic monthly payments into your stash until you reach the price of an Aker Gold bar.
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49:09 Speaker 06 You're welcome.
49:10 Doug DeMuro? He has cars and sells them sometimes.
49:11 Speaker 06 On Cars and Pits?
49:12 Doug DeMuro? Nick drove here today in a...
49:14 Speaker 06 2014 Ford Focus.
49:16 Doug DeMuro? The market report is brought to you by the 2014 Ford Focus, which is on its third transmission.
49:21 Speaker 06 Yeah, I think Ford has spent more on warranty claims than I paid for the car in front. I could see why they got out of cars after that. Like, we're just gonna stick to trucks.
49:31 Doug DeMuro? They certainly stopped making that transmission.
49:32 Speaker 06 This is not worth our time.
49:33 Doug DeMuro? All right, pull up the STI.
49:34 Speaker 06 Yeah, but it is peach.
49:36 Doug DeMuro? But Focus is a peach on its third trans. And he got here, the first thing he said to you was, "I think the trans is slipping again."
49:41 Speaker 06 It definitely is slipping.
49:42 Doug DeMuro? We had a black STI go up, 05 Hawkeye self, bid to 53, we put it together afterwards for around that, I don't remember.
49:48 Speaker 06 A little bit over that, 55.
49:49 Doug DeMuro? 55, something like that. 16,800 miles, no mods, very special car.
49:53 Speaker 06 Such a special car.
49:54 Doug DeMuro? And I just want to point out, for all those people out there who think that these are for vaping boy racers, this is a... The market is starting to decide these are special cars. Now, I have never been of the opinion that these are gonna take off. People are like, "The Japanese cars will have their day," and they will. 55 grand, I don't think this is ever gonna be a million dollars, but this proves that like, there is real, serious interest in...
50:18 Doug DeMuro? This was our highest sale of anything even resembling a Hawkeye WRX.
50:21 Speaker 07 Yep.
50:22 Doug DeMuro? Um, the other ones were all S209s, which have always been big money. That is, that was very cool to see. And as a big fan of that car, I was 16 when those came out. It was the coolest thing on the road. I'm thrilled that they're like, that enthusiasts with money and taste and who want to preserve them are like getting in that, that world.
50:39 Speaker 07 Can I ask you a question? Do we think S209s stay there?
50:42 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
50:43 Speaker 07 But you say there's gonna be worth 85 grand forever? Or 70 grand?
50:47 Doug DeMuro? They're six years old already and they're still trading for those numbers. S209s stay there. Absolutely. They're very special cars.
50:52 Speaker 07 Yeah. Wow.
50:53 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it looks like they've gone down a little bit, but they're, they're not going to go down to 20. S209s are very, very special cars. There's only 209. They're all individually numbered. Also STI ended after that.
51:02 Speaker 07 Yep. Yep.
51:03 Doug DeMuro? But cool to see this car do a good number.
51:06 Speaker 06 That looks like a nice one.
51:07 Speaker 07 It was.
51:08 Doug DeMuro? It was, I mean, unmoderated. If this had been blue, I bet it would have gotten another five grand. It was probably an innocuous decision in 05 to be like, oh, blue or black. Oh, they have a black one. I'll get that.
51:16 Speaker 07 Yeah.
51:16 Doug DeMuro? Of course, the blue became the hero color and definitely would have been better for one you've wanted to preserve. But I love this car. I just can't say enough good things about how much, how special I think these are. And I'm glad they're getting the recognition they deserve.
51:28 Speaker 07 Yep.
51:28 Doug DeMuro? Aston Martin us.
51:29 Speaker 07 Aston Martin. I've noticed over the last couple of weeks.
51:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:32 Speaker 07 That Aston Martin values are back up.
51:35 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
51:36 Speaker 07 There's a repeat, uh, this unit, we have this manual Aston Martin V12 advantage. They'll end by the time this podcast goes live, but repeat values have been 53 grand. This admittedly a special color that sold yesterday with 32,000 miles. Repeats have been sub 50 for forever.
51:52 Speaker 06 I wanted to buy one for a while and then I just, I'm like, I, I don't think I want to spend that much money on it.
51:58 Speaker 07 Right. But they're back up especially. It makes no, like, here's one with the same miles two years ago. Where the market was stronger.
52:04 Doug DeMuro? The market was stronger.
52:04 Speaker 07 That got less like.
52:05 Speaker 06 The color helped this one, although if you go back, the color helped a few of these.
52:08 Speaker 07 Yeah.
52:08 Speaker 06 So this is also the facelift one with the bigger grille versus the two smaller grills. Those do tend to bring a little bit more money, the later ones.
52:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the S. Go back to the Aston page that you had, the landing page. The, um, the other one that was, the DBS brought a lot of money considering the miles. And frankly, I don't know the market, I have to admit, but go back to the top. I'm kind of surprised already that. This V12 Vantage is at 80 because click on it, this car has 90,000, 73,000 miles. This car's like been used as a car, which yeah, totally fine, but oftentimes that really harms the value. I didn't expect it's a six speed, it's a V12, but the market is actually appreciating Aston's a little bit.
52:43 Speaker 07 It's interesting. I'm glad they are because especially seemingly V12 Aston's, which makes some sense. There's not that many V12 new cars. It makes sense that there's appreciation and the manuals, which are incredibly rare. Cause who bought a manual Aston seem to be doing incredibly well.
52:58 Doug DeMuro? The secret is a little out that they're not that unreliable.
53:00 Speaker 07 Yeah.
53:01 Doug DeMuro? I think people have started to realize like this car's got 73,000 miles. We get them submitted all the time to us with 60, 70, 80,000 miles and not V12 Vantage with some sticks, but Aston's in general. Like, do they have a rep for being unreliable? They're not really. You can actually buy this car and have a pretty exotic experience for like 40 grand in the case of a V8 Vantage.
53:18 Speaker 07 Yep.
53:19 Doug DeMuro? Their enthusiasts have kind of circled around them.
53:21 Speaker 07 Yeah.
53:21 Doug DeMuro? When I was, when I bought my V8 Vantage, they were like plunging.
53:24 Speaker 07 And to be fair, V8 Vantages.
53:25 Doug DeMuro? V8 Vantages are still lower than they were during the peak COVID.
53:29 Speaker 07 Oh, that's not gonna work for you.
53:30 Doug DeMuro? V8 Valente.
53:31 Speaker 07 Heck, yeah.
53:32 Doug DeMuro? Remember those?
53:33 Speaker 07 I do.
53:34 Doug DeMuro? Wild cars.
53:34 Speaker 07 V8 Vantages are still all over the place.
53:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, they're a little all over the place. The early tips are cheap, but a nice later stick is more expensive than it was when I bought one like 10 years ago.
53:45 Speaker 07 Yep.
53:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
53:47 Speaker 06 I also wonder if they're benefiting from the fall of Maserati through Stellantis. The people that would have bought a Gran Turismo, maybe the Roma's a little out of reach to say, I have 100 to 200 to spend on a nice cruiser. Aston is a really compelling choice if you can't get into a Ferrari or Lambo.
54:02 Doug DeMuro? When are you gonna get a repeat?
54:04 Speaker 06 I want, there was one on Facebook Marketplace that had like all this dust on it, but he was asking like running and driving condition. And it was like one of those like, oh, it's a leak, but it'd only take $500 to fix. You're like, if it was 500 bucks, she would have done that. So that stayed away from that. But when the opportunity presents itself, it's, it's on my list.
54:21 Doug DeMuro? Are any other Astons on your list? What about a DB7?
54:23 Speaker 07 Love a DB7.
54:24 Speaker 06 Uh, they're, they're cool for the right price, maybe. I did say, I was at, um,
54:29 Doug DeMuro? Look at that.
54:29 Speaker 06 Curated in Miami.
54:30 Doug DeMuro? It's 20 grand.
54:30 Speaker 06 And they had a Vanquish that had been manual swapped by the factory.
54:34 Doug DeMuro? Oh, no, three.
54:35 Speaker 06 Yeah.
54:35 Doug DeMuro? Pull up one of those. We sold a few of those.
54:36 Speaker 06 And, oh, with the manual swap, it is so cool. And I've heard the manual swaps are just, it's like 50 grand or something like that.
54:42 Doug DeMuro? It's expensive.
54:43 Speaker 06 It's about the price of the car.
54:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
54:45 Speaker 06 To do it. So that's, that's tough, but I think you probably do get most of that value out of it. Like you, you spend 50 on the car, 50 on the swap, probably sell for a hundred-ish.
54:55 Speaker 07 I don't even think you need to spend 50 on the car.
54:57 Doug DeMuro? They're cool. They look so good. I still think.
54:59 Speaker 06 One of the, I have, I have diecast models of this car. I, I love, love, love.
55:04 Doug DeMuro? Still think it's the best looking Aston in my lifetime.
55:06 Speaker 07 Oh, interesting.
55:07 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. I said it.
55:08 Speaker 06 I, I agree.
55:09 Doug DeMuro? Either that or the DBX 707 or the Signet.
55:12 Speaker 06 I think all the Zagato ones are, are kinda like.
55:14 Doug DeMuro? Dude, the Zagato long, the Zagato hatchback, I like sometimes think, should I go after one of those?
55:18 Speaker 06 Yeah.
55:19 Speaker 07 Yeah.
55:19 Speaker 06 You should.
55:20 Speaker 07 Yeah.
55:21 Doug DeMuro? Like, they were new 900, but they transacted at 600 and now they sell for 450 and it's like, hmm. But the problem is, I don't wanna lose.
55:27 Speaker 06 So 450.
55:28 Doug DeMuro? It's gonna be a 220 car in about eight weeks, so it's, no.
55:30 Speaker 06 What's 220?
55:32 Doug DeMuro? I think, go pull, pull one of those up. You know what I'm talking about, right?
55:34 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah.
55:35 Doug DeMuro? What does Zagato hatch? It was a V12, I mean, Aston V12 Zagato hatchback.
55:39 Speaker 06 Do you know in period, I mean, I guess Zagato's still around, but like, oh, were they like Mansari where everyone like didn't get it? Or have they always been cool?
55:47 Doug DeMuro? It depended on the cars. Zagato had some ugh, good cars.
55:50 Speaker 06 Terrible stuff.
55:51 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
55:51 Speaker 06 Like an elongation.
55:52 Doug DeMuro? This is not though.
55:53 Speaker 06 Yeah.
55:54 Doug DeMuro? This is beautiful.
55:55 Speaker 06 That was like a million dollar car.
55:56 Doug DeMuro? But it was, but Zagato went through the whole, this whole period. There were some heinous, like just type in Zagato into, into.
56:02 Speaker 06 Well, it had to be like one dude, right? So like, I don't know. I went through like my goth phase and then like my preppy phase. Like you kinda go through stuff.
56:10 Doug DeMuro? There are some famously bad ones.
56:11 Speaker 06 Yep.
56:11 Doug DeMuro? Um, like remember the Alpha SZ and the RZ? Those are probably the most famously bad ones.
56:16 Speaker 06 Yeah, the Gallardo one was not good. The RZ, by the way, is beautiful. So it's careful.
56:21 Doug DeMuro? You think it's beautiful, but generally agreed to be one of these.
56:23 Speaker 06 Beautiful is the wrong term.
56:24 Speaker 07 Beautiful, it's neat.
56:25 Speaker 06 Striking.
56:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I reviewed one. It drove great. Weird.
56:28 Speaker 07 I remember you called me while filming this and like, I don't know how to put the top on.
56:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I called you. It was like the manuals, I need to know how to put the roof on and you figured it out.
56:36 Speaker 07 That's excellent.
56:37 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay. We gotta move on to questions, questions, questions, questions. Uh, two things. First off, before questions, I want to thank the viewer who sent us in this. We got some Carrera GT literature.
56:48 Speaker 07 Ooh.
56:49 Doug DeMuro? From a viewer. I'm always interested in Carrera GT, Ford GT and Countach things. Uh, because I have in my house a giant repository of this stuff. I have every piece of Carrera GT literature in existence and this is a brochure from back in the day from a viewer named Norman. He sent this in and it's the concept car and it kind of goes through some of the stuff and I appreciate that. Thank you. You can send us Carrera GT literature too. You send it directly to Filippo's house.
57:12 Speaker 07 Yep. By the way, in that car and driver, uh, also review a road test of the Maserati QP5.
57:17 Doug DeMuro? Ooh. And there is, there is on the back cover, they're 04 Z71.
57:22 Speaker 07 What a car. So good.
57:24 Doug DeMuro? And they're trying to advertise its capabilities.
57:27 Speaker 07 Some of the ads in that are phenomenal. I leafed through yesterday and it's great.
57:31 Doug DeMuro? Crossfire. Oh, here's a Ford Free Star.
57:34 Speaker 07 Yep.
57:34 Doug DeMuro? Minivan comparison test.
57:36 Speaker 07 Yep, the Odyssey one.
57:37 Doug DeMuro? Oh, Nick, Nick, your dream.
57:38 Speaker 07 Oh, tire rack. Yes.
57:40 Doug DeMuro? Wheels. And look at the cars, look at the cars they've chosen to, uh, GMC Envoy, Mazda 3, Mustang Mach 1 and a C230 on what appear to be stock wheels.
57:51 Speaker 07 Well, that's for every enthusiast. How amazing.
57:53 Doug DeMuro? Okay, questions. Now, remember you can ask us questions. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab and then there's a post there that says, here are the questions and he asks us questions. Now this week, I, I used to answer the top upvoted questions, but then I found that the same people were asking the questions like immediately when we go live. And so I've decided to kind of skip around more. And this week, I'm going to skip around more on the questions too. By the way, I'm always going to answer the most controversial ones, to be clear.
58:18 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah. I love those.
58:19 Speaker 06 He enjoys that greatly.
58:21 Doug DeMuro? I like Skaren Filippo, but, uh, there were some other good questions buried further down. However, the first question was very good from Alec Metz 2011. I know you don't love discussing politics, but how do you think Elon Musk will affect Tesla as a company moving forward? How would it affect values of Tesla's new and used? Their stock has fallen almost 30%. 30% since the salute. I don't want to talk about stock. I'm not going to be one of those Twitter losers. Curious your guys, I mean, come on.
58:44 Speaker 06 Well, first of all, the stock thing, yes, it's down 24% year to date.
58:50 Doug DeMuro? Nick, so.
58:50 Speaker 06 But if you look at the last six months, it's actually up like 20%. So all you're doing is saying, yes, from the peak of the peak, it's down a little bit. Over the long run, it's still an amazing hold. And again, I don't care about the stock. Other than to say like, it's down a little bit right now, but they are doing fine.
59:06 Speaker 07 I owed a bunch of it, but you know.
59:07 Doug DeMuro? With regards to the stock, the people, people are free to speculate. The cars is an interesting question.
59:12 Speaker 06 It is.
59:12 Doug DeMuro? I have to tell you, Elon, when he was perceived as a champion of the world, saving the world, making electric cars, was sort of a hero of electric car buyers.
59:22 Speaker 06 Yep.
59:23 Doug DeMuro? He became more conservative and people kind of held their noses and just were whatever. Things have changed and he has now gone pretty far in a direction that I suspect a lot of electric car shoppers are not. I am asked quite often for car advice by friends, family, neighbors, randoms. I am frequently being asked now about EVs that are not Teslas specifically.
59:47 Speaker 06 Yep.
59:48 Doug DeMuro? What EV can I buy that isn't a Tesla that is, that is still good? I'm getting the question daily.
59:53 Speaker 07 And Tesla sales are notably down in the US.
59:55 Doug DeMuro? Way down.
59:55 Speaker 07 They're also way down in Europe by stunning margins.
59:58 Doug DeMuro? We saw yesterday they announced 0% on all Model 3s.
1:00:01 Speaker 07 Correct, which was just refresh. It's their newest model.
1:00:03 Doug DeMuro? Brand new refresh and 0% is a pretty tough offer in a, in a financing world where, where the Fed funds rate is like six.
1:00:10 Speaker 07 Correct. I saw a news report today that there's a real risk. So Tesla makes a bunch of money by selling emissions waivers, basically, right? They don't produce so many emissions. They sell credits to other manufacturers. They may not sell enough cars this year to do that. And so they have obligations around that to say, like telling, so, for example, we'll sell you those many credits. There's a little bit of a risk that they don't because sales are that far down.
1:00:34 Doug DeMuro? It's a bad situation. I do think that Elon Musk's behavior is playing a role. I also have a feeling that Elon doesn't care that much. He's obviously incredibly wealthy. He's moved on first to Twitter and now to the government. I meant when I think about it, when I hear from him, it seems like he's sort of forgotten about Tesla in a way and he's this your perennial serial entrepreneur who's like trying to do this thing and that thing and that thing. And the most recent thing is that working for the Trump administration. And I I'm not sure that he really is working on this that hard.
1:01:08 Speaker 07 The biggest question becomes from a corporate governance standpoint, what happens? So does do Tesla shareholders and their board, which is very friendly towards Musk, change their opinion a little bit over time?
1:01:19 Speaker 06 What's interesting, so I in my past life did advertising for SolarCity, which then became Tesla. And we were their agency. We were spending a lot of money.
1:01:28 Doug DeMuro? Did you know this?
1:01:29 Speaker 06 Our biggest client at the time and like I was like really in the trenches there, like speaking with like their CFO and all these people. When they folded it back into Tesla, we were let go and they paused all their paid search ads, all their Facebook ads, literally all their advertising. And we had like a metrics to say this is profitable for every dollar you put into the
1:01:50 Speaker 07 Every digital market.
1:01:52 Speaker 06 You're getting $5 back or whatever the number is.
1:01:54 Speaker 07 It's always profitable, yeah.
1:01:55 Speaker 06 And we were told Elon does not believe in advertising. He feels the PR he can generate with a single tweet is far greater than the millions of dollars you could spend. And that was true.
1:02:05 Doug DeMuro? For years it was.
1:02:06 Speaker 06 And but there is a downside to that strategy, which is if you fall out of public opinion.
1:02:11 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:02:11 Speaker 06 That does no longer work.
1:02:13 Doug DeMuro? There's a real key. Both of these are two really, really, really good points. What is the is the board looking at this in a do we have to start taking an action here perspective? And is the guy at the helm like who has been so beneficial for this company for so many years? Is he now a liability for the company? And this is of course is is accompanied with maybe a slowdown in the market in generals. People aren't buying as many cars and a slowdown in the EV market in general and interest rates going up. It's not a good situation. It is already a difficult environment in which we're selling cars. And they're going to start rolling back some of these EV incentives, which frankly benefit Tesla.
1:02:50 Doug DeMuro? We'll see what happens, but I have a feeling the juggernaut that Tesla was, you can't imagine it continues like this, given the situation. Unless something changed, something drastic.
1:03:01 Speaker 07 The 0% financing is truly crazy because Model 3 is their only updated model. And the Model S has been identical since the last facelift in 2017. The Model X, since it came out in 2017. The Model Y is about to be facelifted. That's their newest product. That's their bread and butter product. If they're struggling to move that.
1:03:20 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:03:21 Speaker 06 I mean, I get that question too of what should I get EV wise if I don't want a Tesla?
1:03:26 Doug DeMuro? What do you tell?
1:03:26 Speaker 06 And it's still.
1:03:27 Doug DeMuro? Buy a Kia on GT.
1:03:27 Speaker 06 Well, it's hard because on paper, the Tesla is still the most compelling and the best deal. So it's like, well, you should really at least go drive a Tesla to have a baseline for comparison. And then if you don't like it, then go on leasehacker.com and buy the cheapest thing you can.
1:03:42 Doug DeMuro? I generally agree with you, except that now that other automakers can tap into the charging network, which I think was a bizarre strategic decision by Tesla, that eliminated, to me, what was their primary advantage. They already don't have the best self-driving anymore. Now they don't have the charging network advantage. Plus you have to deal with crazy Elon. The other advantages are not significant. They have better range, but most people don't use the full 300 miles. I honestly don't feel that way. I recommend other EVs to people fairly frequently and there are so many other options.
1:04:12 Speaker 06 My real response is I drive a V12 Lamborghini, a V8 Bentley, a V8 Maserati. I am the wrong person to ask about EVs.
1:04:20 Speaker 07 We burn fuel up in here.
1:04:22 Speaker 06 I kill dinosaurs.
1:04:24 Speaker 07 Also, we're gonna get so many Tesla comments.
1:04:26 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but is anything we're saying not true?
1:04:28 Speaker 07 No, 100% true.
1:04:29 Doug DeMuro? I'm only interested, you know, I used to fight with the Tesla people on Twitter, but it became clear to me that they're all stockholders. And it's not interesting to me when someone has a stake. It becomes interesting to me if someone is objective and people online refuse to disclose their position. So that's kind of that.
1:04:44 Speaker 06 Oh my god, goodness.
1:04:46 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I reviewed the Model. Oh yeah, me and you reviewed the Model X together.
1:04:49 Speaker 06 That's right.
1:04:49 Doug DeMuro? It was great. Okay, next question, next question, next question. From ind underscore can, Doug, how did you meet Hoovy? After finally meeting him, what's the quirkiest thing you noticed about him? How did I meet him? Hoovy and I worked together briefly on Jalopnik, for Jalopnik. And at some point, I left Jalopnik to go start a blog for Autotrader called Oversteer, autotrader.com. And I hired Hoovy to come and work for me, even though I had never met him before. And he wrote a column like once a week for us, which was great. And at some point, Autotrader paid for him to come to Atlanta and we filmed some videos together. And I believe that was the first time I met him. And now I meet him every-
1:05:23 Speaker 06 Great videos.
1:05:24 Doug DeMuro? Great videos. And now it's just me and Hoovy talking, zero production, and honestly, they're pretty good.
1:05:29 Speaker 06 Not only zero production, it was straight up bad production.
1:05:32 Doug DeMuro? Bad production.
1:05:32 Speaker 06 There was like a curtain.
1:05:33 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it was like boss in a production.
1:05:35 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:05:36 Doug DeMuro? But like, there was a lot of inform- like, stuff was said in those videos, to be clear. There are still like six unreleased, by the way.
1:05:45 Doug DeMuro? They never will be released, they're long gone. But anyway. And then now every year, we see Hoovy at tax time.
1:05:50 Speaker 06 Related follow up question, since you like to steer into the controversy. What is up with Jalopnik and the weird stuff they post about you? They have the 20 automotive YouTubers you don't know about. And there's a picture of you when you were like seven years old as the hero image. It is bizarre.
1:06:03 Doug DeMuro? I don't, I, to be honest, I haven't read Jalopnik in years.
1:06:05 Speaker 06 They got beef for some reason. Even though you were a prominent part of their history.
1:06:09 Doug DeMuro? I have absolutely no idea what goes on there, unfortunately, and I haven't read Jalopnik in years. I would like to go back there and read them again. I just, they're not, it's not what it was.
1:06:16 Speaker 06 I hear Gawker Media is thriving, so you missed out.
1:06:18 Doug DeMuro? It's been a long, lot, long, long road since the days of Gawker, which I remember very fondly. The other question here was, what is the quirkiest thing about Hoovy? The quirkiest thing about Hoovy is that he is not a particularly boisterous person in real life.
1:06:29 Speaker 06 That's so true.
1:06:30 Doug DeMuro? He is surprisingly reserved, to the point where in some of those videos, people like Doug is talking so much more than Hoovy. Well, Hoovy actually is a fairly quiet dude, despite what it appears when he's on camera. Because he's almost always on camera just by himself in his videos. And when, when he's, especially when he's off camera, like when we're having lunch with him. Well, often, eight of us or 10 of us will have lunch, and he won't say much at all. During the whole lunch, it's kind of interesting.
1:06:56 Speaker 07 But then he turns it on for the cameras. Maybe not those auto trade ones, those are early, but.
1:07:00 Doug DeMuro? Whereas I am this insane always.
1:07:04 Doug DeMuro? You're an saner.
1:07:05 Speaker 07 Doug took it down for the camera.
1:07:07 Doug DeMuro? No, you.
1:07:09 Speaker 06 When I go out to eat with you, like the first few times I had to be like, like this, like I'm sorry for my wild friend here.
1:07:14 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you are a, Nick, the, some of the stuff you say, which I cannot repeat on camera. See, this is, this is where you benefit. We can't say the stuff that you say about people we can't talk about.
1:07:23 Speaker 06 You know what? I, I think that's why I like Florida so much is I felt more liberated to be myself. Like there was nothing I could say that would offend someone. They're like, oh, I heard something crazy earlier today.
1:07:32 Doug DeMuro? Nick makes jokes that in 1974 would have been thought of as unacceptable to make. Let's just say that. Uh, okay. Next question. You can edit this if you want, but you shouldn't.
1:07:42 Speaker 06 They were jokes about OPEC and the oil embargoes for the, for the record.
1:07:48 Doug DeMuro? Letted gas, the transition to unleaded fuel. Um, okay. Uh, let's see, let's see, let's see. Okay. Next question for, oh, this is gonna be great. This one's for you. From SF 00005, what are y'alls thoughts on Scotty Kilmer claiming that cars and bids is failing?
1:08:04 Speaker 07 Is Scotty?
1:08:05 Doug DeMuro? I don't know. I, I'll be honest.
1:08:07 Speaker 06 So Scotty pops up all the time now that I'm Googling what, what leaks are what? His like video of like how to determine what the, the fluid is is like, my like, it might as well be my homepage. I don't watch it.
1:08:19 Doug DeMuro? I don't watch any Scotty because he obviously is insane. And you know what? When I say Scotty's insane, he makes a video like, Doug called me insane and I'm not insane. And I'm sorry, I actually think Scotty's hilarious. He's insane in a hilarious way, like you.
1:08:31 Speaker 06 Yeah. And then my father-in-law loves him. Huge fan. He's always given me like, hey, Nick, I got a hot tip for you. You know, you don't actually have to change your oil if you just drain out a quart and then put another quart in every couple of months. I don't think that's true.
1:08:46 Speaker 07 What's happening here?
1:08:47 Doug DeMuro? He makes, he's like, I'm quitting YouTube. He makes it, I'm quitting YouTube like, like every six months or so. I love Scotty in a way because I respect the hell out of what he does, which is he posts multiple videos a day. Like, I think it's a grind. We post three, four videos a week. It's a lot of work. He posts like multiple a day, I'm telling you. Like, he is legit out there. And the result of that, when you're trying to post multiple a day is, you run out of topics, right? And so he does some Tesla just announced, we can no longer stay in.
1:09:18 Speaker 07 We didn't have that conversation about Tesla at all.
1:09:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, Scotty's already got us covered. He hears a scam about Toyota. Like, he realized, like, he can lean into.
1:09:26 Speaker 07 He has said bye to YouTube like seven.
1:09:28 Doug DeMuro? A hundred times, just in this.
1:09:30 Speaker 07 Sunday for all Americans.
1:09:31 Doug DeMuro? So the problem is that because of that, he's always, he's kind of always saying whatever he has to do to kind of get clicks. And the result, I hate to say it because I think he's great, but he appeals to kind of the lowest common denominator. If you're a Scotty fan, you should consider that. Like, you should be wondering, am I doing life right? But anyway, he says car business is failing. He said everything that I've ever done is failing, and every other YouTuber, and every car company. According to him, Toyota, Honda, and Tesla are failing just in the last.
1:09:57 Speaker 07 And Ford's.
1:09:58 Doug DeMuro? And Ford is failing also. So I think he's wrong. We got some private equity cash. All right. Okay, next question. Oh, here's a question from Jack A.C. Do you think Volkswagen would have actually sold Phetons if they were sold as Audis? Yeah, no, they did. It was called the A8.
1:10:16 Speaker 07 And they didn't sell that many of those either.
1:10:18 Doug DeMuro? And they didn't. Next question from Mo Dolly. Doug, you allegedly have a habit of going speeds, I don't want to say during your reviews. Have you ever gotten pulled over by the police during your reviews? No. I never have. I get this question a lot. Have I ever damaged a car, been pulled over by the police? Never either.
1:11:07 Speaker 04 Para los grandes, para los chicos, para los bajos y los altos, los pacifistas, los valientes, para los optimistas y los pesimistas, los que valoran lo de adentro, para los que están lejos, los que no vende lejos, y los que no vende cerca, para los introvertidos y los extrovertidos, para los que piensan y los que hacen, para los que nos mostraron el camino. Coca-Cola, para todos. Compra una Coca-Cola en una tienda cerca de usted.
1:11:37 Speaker 06 When we were doing that photo shoot you showed earlier of My Mercy, Bentley and Maserati, all on Montana plates, we're at a stoplight and a motorcycle cop comes up right next to us, and I'm thinking, oh my god, we are the most conspicuous group of Montana plates this officer has ever seen in his life and will ever see in his life, and you know what he said? He goes, "Which one of you is Nick?" And then he goes, "He's a fan of your channel and a fan of you, and thankfully by association I got the goodwill that you've endeared."
1:12:06 Doug DeMuro? You know, I've never even had to test that. I'd be curious to. I have gotten pulled over driving my regular cars in regular settings and gotten tickets since I've been doing YouTube. Usually on that cross-country drive I do every summer, although it's been years even since I've been pulled over there. So, but no, never during a review. I've never had any sort of... Occasionally, police actually, occasionally will come up to me when I'm filming, like in a church party. But usually they just want to say, "Hey, see the car, make sure nothing's wrong," you know? They never tell me to move or jerk, so they're always nice and I'm always respectful to them. Okay, final question from Julian Evans.
1:12:42 Speaker 07 Ooh.
1:12:43 Doug DeMuro? Having just seen The Value Progress Beast, what is the ugliest supercar in your view?
1:12:49 Speaker 07 Did you see The Value?
1:12:49 Doug DeMuro? Progress Beast?
1:12:50 Speaker 06 That was the Diablo?
1:12:51 Doug DeMuro? That we talked about last week.
1:12:52 Speaker 06 Yeah, horrible.
1:12:53 Doug DeMuro? Okay, ugliest supercar without any question, doubt, or discussion. Oh, why he goes back to Scotty? Lamborghini Veneno. How could it not be?
1:13:03 Speaker 06 No, no. There's a Scion for sale right now, by the way.
1:13:07 Speaker 06 Speaking of ugly Lambos.
1:13:09 Doug DeMuro? Oh, a Scion.
1:13:10 Speaker 06 Scion, okay, I was wondering.
1:13:11 Doug DeMuro? Lamborghini Veneno, wait, pull out.
1:13:12 Speaker 06 No, I think that's cool.
1:13:14 Doug DeMuro? What, Nick?
1:13:14 Speaker 06 You're crazy.
1:13:15 Doug DeMuro? Nick, are you joking? It's like, it's like an Aventador with the ugliest body kit that anybody has ever seen in their entire life.
1:13:22 Speaker 06 I mean, that's what it is, but I think it's cool.
1:13:25 Doug DeMuro? Click on the.
1:13:26 Speaker 06 I would definitely rock that.
1:13:27 Doug DeMuro? Nick, are you?
1:13:28 Speaker 06 I could think of far.
1:13:28 Doug DeMuro? It's just an Aventador with bolt-ons. And then that are ugly and then extend the length of the vehicle by 20 years. This is the ugliest car I've ever seen in my life, ever.
1:13:38 Speaker 06 No.
1:13:40 Doug DeMuro? Oh, fine, give me it then.
1:13:41 Speaker 06 I'm gonna need a second.
1:13:42 Doug DeMuro? Ugliest supercar, in your view?
1:13:44 Speaker 06 Hmm, I'm not a part of this world.
1:13:46 Doug DeMuro? Give us an ugly car.
1:13:47 Speaker 06 I don't, I got nothing.
1:13:47 Doug DeMuro? Give us an ugly car while he thinks.
1:13:49 Speaker 06 I can't nothing.
1:13:49 Doug DeMuro? This is the ugliest car. You agree with me, right?
1:13:52 Speaker 06 It is certainly striking more than it is beautiful.
1:13:56 Doug DeMuro? Keep scrolling down. When I remember when they first released it, some of the like original wheel designs and stuff were so.
1:14:01 Speaker 06 Sorry, did the wheels could design get better?
1:14:03 Doug DeMuro? I, I think a lot of these are wraps or faux or renderings. God, that is the ugliest car. Click on that.
1:14:09 Speaker 06 Yeah, that's.
1:14:09 Doug DeMuro? You're telling me that is an attractive car?
1:14:11 Speaker 06 That's not a good angle.
1:14:12 Doug DeMuro? That is, there's no good angle.
1:14:14 Speaker 06 That's a bad angle.
1:14:15 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you gotta tell me, what is the ugliest super?
1:14:17 Speaker 06 That is a great question. I'm sure it'll, Aspark Al, maybe?
1:14:20 Doug DeMuro? No, it's not, it's not bad looking.
1:14:22 Speaker 06 I know, we just haven't said Aspark Al in a while.
1:14:24 Doug DeMuro? We haven't, we haven't, we got off that.
1:14:26 Speaker 06 How, how do you think they're doing?
1:14:27 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
1:14:27 Speaker 06 I mean, do they sell a second unit yet? To be fair, it's not a beautiful automobile.
1:14:32 Doug DeMuro? Okay, wait, I have one for you that I think might be it, because I just Googled ugly supercar and one, one came up that I was reminded of. Um, look up the Mitsuoka Orochi.
1:14:41 Speaker 06 Sure. Yep.
1:14:43 Doug DeMuro? You know this car?
1:14:44 Speaker 06 No.
1:14:45 Doug DeMuro? Oh, not good.
1:14:46 Speaker 06 Earlier, I'm surprised you didn't go to for the Puma, because you mentioned the Puma earlier.
1:14:49 Doug DeMuro? That was ugly. Okay, here's another one. Uh, look up, um, McLaren Senna.
1:14:56 Speaker 07 What is the Puma supercar called?
1:14:58 Doug DeMuro? UABian Puma. You're not gonna look up the Senate and humor me?
1:15:01 Speaker 07 No.
1:15:02 Speaker 06 I was gonna suggest it's not technically a supercar, it's a super truck, but the Spiker pecking to Paris.
1:15:08 Doug DeMuro? Oh, yeah, Spiker pecking to Paris.
1:15:10 Speaker 06 That is one of the ugliest vehicles ever.
1:15:13 Doug DeMuro? That is pretty bad. Spiker pecking to Paris, or pecking, it's gonna peck all the way to Paris.
1:15:18 Speaker 07 I think this looks great.
1:15:18 Speaker 06 Look at that thing, man.
1:15:19 Doug DeMuro? No!
1:15:20 Speaker 07 I'm so into this.
1:15:21 Doug DeMuro? This came from the era when the sports car companies were just trying to make bigger versions of their sports cars.
1:15:25 Speaker 07 I love this so much.
1:15:26 Speaker 06 They went in a Photoshop and they just elongated like Mansari.
1:15:30 Doug DeMuro? Like Mansari. I'd love it too, to be clear. Whoever has this, I'd buy this instead of the V8 Signet.
1:15:34 Speaker 06 Yep, 75 grand.
1:15:36 Doug DeMuro? I want to leave you guys today with a part- oh, wait, Bertone Mantié. Bertone Mantié, that's the answer.
1:15:42 Speaker 07 Bertone Man- what?
1:15:43 Doug DeMuro? B E R T O N E M A N T I D E.
1:15:45 Speaker 06 One that will piss you and Kenan off. But I stand on this, and I will regret this one day when Kenan gets one, the 612 Scag Hain.
1:15:55 Doug DeMuro? It's known to be Hain, though. Kind of a drawback of it. I want to leave you guys with a parting thought today.
1:16:00 Speaker 07 Please do.
1:16:00 Doug DeMuro? Which is that if Filippo were to get money, he would buy a Volkswagen XL1 and a Polestar 1. He'd have, you know how we'd get like, we'd get like a McLaren F1 and a F50?
1:16:12 Speaker 07 That's such a good point.
1:16:13 Doug DeMuro? He would have.
1:16:14 Speaker 07 I don't want the Polestar 1, I do want the XL1.
1:16:16 Doug DeMuro? And a Polestar 1.
1:16:17 Speaker 07 No, I don't want the Polestar 1, but I want the XL1.
1:16:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but you'd have a daily and you'd be like, you know, you know Doug, a Polestar 1's only $36,000.
1:16:24 Speaker 07 They're annoyingly expensive.
1:16:25 Doug DeMuro? No, dude, they're not. Someone sent.
1:16:29 Doug DeMuro? They're not. My point is, this is the person who Filippo is.
1:16:33 Speaker 07 Thank you for that parting thought.
1:16:34 Doug DeMuro? Nick, do you have any final thoughts for us to end the pod?
1:16:40 Speaker 06 No, I don't.
1:16:41 Doug DeMuro? You think the Venino-
1:16:42 Speaker 06 Thank you for listening.
1:16:43 Doug DeMuro? You think the Venino looks good?
1:16:46 Speaker 06 I don't think it looks bad. I would say on like a scale of 1 to 10.
1:16:50 Doug DeMuro? It's just an Aventador with the ugliest bodykit ever designed. It looks like the value progress.
1:16:55 Speaker 06 Okay, the CLK GT-R is just a bodykit on a CLK.
1:16:59 Speaker 07 We gotta send this now.
1:16:59 Doug DeMuro? No, no, but it isn't.
1:17:01 Speaker 07 It isn't.
1:17:01 Speaker 06 It's a widebody, you know?
1:17:03 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's a Reventon.
1:17:05 Speaker 07 Long body.
1:17:06 Speaker 06 Reventon?
1:17:06 Doug DeMuro? The Reventon is not- it is! It's not particularly attractive!
1:17:10 Speaker 07 No, it's gorgeous.
1:17:11 Doug DeMuro? This is-
1:17:12 Speaker 07 Much more beautiful than the-
1:17:14 Speaker 06 I might- Dennis had the same car.
1:17:16 Doug DeMuro? Alright. Nick, it has been an absolute pleasure having you here on the Off- Thanks. Thanks for coming all the way down here in your Ford Focus, because all your other cars are broken.
1:17:25 Speaker 06 It technically runs, just leaky.
1:17:28 Doug DeMuro? Even the Ford Focus is broken.
1:17:30 Speaker 06 Yes, no, I mean the Bentley.
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