Is the U.S. Headed Back Into War With Iran? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

We break down the latest on the Iran conflict, the stalled diplomacy, and why the Strait of Hormuz has become Tehran’s most powerful bargaining chip. We dig into whether the U. S. or Israel would actually resume military operations, how Iran’s internal power struggle is shifting toward harder IRGC control, and what that means for any future nuclear deal. This episode also covers the War Powers Act, covert action options, Hezbollah’s future in Lebanon, and why Washington may be heading toward a long and painful strategic stalemate. Mars Men⬇️ For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off FOR LIFE, Free Shipping, AND 3 Free Gifts at Mars Men at https://mengotomars.com/ Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join Jack's news outlet: https://thehighside.substack.com/ Find Jon Hackett here:⬇️ Jon's Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Jon's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Jon's books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0C5L659N5?ccs_id=e11a2062-f8d3-498e-bfd7-7d2f3869caf6 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thejonathanhackett Twitter: https://x.com/jonathanhackett Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Whitefish security summit https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio 00:00 — Start 01:30 — Strait of Hormuz, stalled diplomacy, and where the Iran war stands, VBSS operations, maritime blockade, and U. S. pressure on Iran 03:40 — Why diplomacy matters more than “mowing the grass” militarily 06:00 — Why a new Iran nuclear deal must be better than the 2015 JCPOA 08:40 — Inside Iran’s political factions: moderates, reformists, and hardliners 10:30 — Ahmad Vahidi, the IRGC, and why the regime may be getting worse 12:00 — Does anyone actually want military operations to restart? 15:40 — The Strait of Hormuz as Iran’s new “nuclear weapon” 18:00 — Lebanon, Hezbollah, and the push to break Iran’s regional proxy network 24:00 — Trump’s political problem: can he accept compromise with Iran? 27:40 — War Powers Act, Congress, and whether the U. S. can legally keep fighting 30:20 — Using the Iraq AUMF and “self-defense” to justify more strikes 38:20 — What’s really happening in the Strait of Hormuz right now 39:30 — U. S. intelligence collection inside Iran and the regime power struggle 43:00 — Covert action, influence ops, and what the U. S. should be doing quietly 46:00 — Who should the U. S. actually negotiate with inside Iran? 50:00 — Can Vahidi remove rivals and sabotage any nuclear agreement? 52:20 — If bombing resumes, is Vahidi target number one? 53:00 — Red Sox collapse, Whitefish Security Summit, and closing thoughts Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 2:32Speaker 03

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I'm here with Mick Mulroy, Jonathan Hackett, Mark Palimoropoulos, and myself. Two Marines versus two Greeks again. I think we're gonna try and keep that ratio going as much as we can. A lot happening, a lot of false starts too with like the delegations going back to Pakistan to talk more about a peace plan or something like that. Doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. Last week, we saw JD Vance was supposed to go, then he didn't go, and then Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkoff were supposed to go, and I pulled them back as well. He wrote a Truth Social post about it. So we don't know where we're at. You know, obviously, I'm sure, hopefully,

• 3:15Speaker 03

  there's some back channeling going on where we're figuring it out. The Strait of Hormuz is essentially still de facto closed. Some ships are getting out, not anywhere near what the normal traffic would be. We started, you know, basically search, you know, search the VBSS, VBSSing. I don't know exactly what the acronym means, whatever. You guys can Google it.

• 3:38Speaker 04

  Visit board.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  Search it. Yeah, I knew the SS.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  So a lot happening. Strait of Hormuz is still is mined, at least partially. So it's kind of a huge clusterfuck, and let's, I'd love for you guys to, you know, give us some clarity on what's going on and what to expect. Make you go first. Age before beauty.

• 4:05Speaker 03

  Sorry, that was a joke.

• 4:06Speaker 04

  Uh, it's first a cool VBSS story since we talked about the Greeks. We actually trained the Greek SEALs in VBSS and we literally went for, you know, like those, those cruise, those uh, passenger ships that go to all the islands. We just hit those non-stop until we got to the island that we wanted to go to. And then we just pull into the island, sit out on the beach, drink wine, eat, you know, uh, calamari and all that stuff. And man, that was glorious. I don't think it's sexy or cool uh, for the guys that are doing this for real. Uh, okay. So we're talking about Iran again. You know, I'd start with this, you know, we do need to get to a point where the US can

• 4:51Speaker 04

  be successful at this. We've talked about this a lot. And I think we have accomplished some of our military objectives. We never should have used the regime change as an objective clearly. We do have probably, and I think Jonathan and Mark can go into detail on this. I think we probably have a more hardline regime right now than we did uh, before the war started. Um, and I think we just need to accept that. That's what it is. Uh, we have made strides against their ballistic missile program, which was somewhat of a shield for their nuclear program. We have made some strides against their uh, suicide drones,

• 5:33Speaker 04

  but I'd be too, I'd be careful um, from a messaging point of view of overstating that because clearly they're going to rebuild it. And if they're back to where they were in a year, um, those military objectives are not going to look as significant as they do right now. So, uh, and then of course, the question is, how do we deal with the top priority, which is the nuclear ambitions of Iran? Um, which probably would mean recovering the four hundred and forty kilograms of highly enriched uranium. But it's important to point out, they have about ten tons of enriched uranium, not to that level.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Um, but the, the best way to ensure that they don't try to get a nuclear program is make it completely against their interest to have a nuclear program, which means a negotiated uh, nuclear agreement that provides them benefit. You know, sanctions relief, of course, being the primary. That has complete visibility. So the IAEA has the ability to, to ensure that they're not developing nuclear weapons. But to, to, to say that we're gonna just mow the grass, so to speak. Um, which I'm not necessarily opposed to, but I just don't think it's practical. So I think we should put all our eggs into, or not all of them,

• 6:57Speaker 04

  but a majority of our eggs into the diplomatic basket to try to get there. And yes, it has to be better than the two thousand fifteen agreement for political reasons. Are people really gonna ask why we elected to pull out of that, just to get back to the same agreement? Uh, and it does have to address the ballistic missiles in some capacity, at least restrictions. Uh, on the Strait of Hormuz, obviously that was open before we started, so we can't leave it worse off. They've found the, their um, major pressure point, and it is a pressure point, we can all acknowledge that. And we've tried to counter it with the blockade. I do believe that's where the US is gonna double down. Blockade. I don't think we want to insert ground forces into this conflict

• 7:41Speaker 04

  for multiple reasons. One, there's really no exit strategy if we do. It's only escalatory. So we're gonna try to push hard on the blockade. And I do think it's having an effect. It just, uh, I guess the next step is what will Iran do to try to break it? Where they uh, start attacking their neighbors again? Will they get the Houthis to try to obstruct the Red Sea, Bob Almendeb? Don't know. Uh, I do, I mean.

• 8:10Speaker 04

  It's just the way it is, the way we're negotiating publicly. I find it to be highly ineffective at the negotiation process itself. Every time we say things like, well, we really don't care this could last forever. It just screams, we really do care. We don't want this to last forever. You're basically just telling the Iranians over and over and over again that if they can outlast us, that they'll be successful. It's, it's clearly an indicator to me that we're highlighting what is the most concerning to us. Other than that, maybe a bifurcated process where we can get to a negotiated end to the war

• 8:52Speaker 04

  and then start the long-term negotiated process to get to a new nuclear agreement. It seems like we're thinking this is all going to happen at once. It took two years to get to the original agreement. We're not going to send two guys with no experience over there and both simultaneously in the war and come up with JCPO, P O A two point zero. It's just very unlikely to happen. And the more we think it's going to happen, the more we're going to, I think, fall short. And when we do get to the long-term negotiated process, we need to bring in experts, nuclear experts, careerists from the military, State Department, intelligence community,

• 9:37Speaker 04

  to be successful and to be long-term. And I think we're going to have to convince the Iranians that we're not just going to pull out of the agreement in three years because the next president doesn't like President Trump. Right? Or what's the point? I mean, they might be wondering like, why are we even bothering this? Because it's, we're not going to get a treaty. We're only going to get a executive order level thing. So even if they do promise never to attack us again.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  It's not going to matter because the current president can't bind the future president and things like that. So we're going to have to address all these issues, but ultimately it's worth it if we can get to a new agreement that stabilizes the Middle East, which of course is in our own interest as well as our partners in the Middle East. And then there's all the other issues going on with manufacturing and defense industrial complex in the United States being able to keep up with this. We're getting very short on precision strike munitions, interceptors. Our allies are now wondering whether we are the right provider of said weapons because we're not keeping up with our obligations based on our

• 10:51Speaker 04

  actions and deciding to go to war. So that's a bigger, broader issue, but it's a real issue from people that are reaching out to me from our European partners. So I'll stop there. And I don't know if we're going to talk about the event last night, but Iran's obviously the major issue.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Who wants it?

• 11:14Speaker 05

  I can talk about the Iran politics if you want a little bit because I think a lot of outsiders don't understand kind of the different camps that exist domestically with Iranian politics. And you've seen on social media, you know, there's indications that there are disagreements between the different camps within the regime, which to some may be surprising or a little bit obscure to understand. And it's because we don't often talk about domestic politics in Iran. Instead, we just talk about Iran, the threat, and don't kind of go deeper than that. And there's four different camps. There's moderates, reformists, pragmatists, and hardliners. And these kind of come up over the years, especially like 2009, when there was a contested election with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and then the reformists, and the reformists probably won that election, but the hardliners said no. And so Ahmadinejad

• 11:58Speaker 05

  became the president again. That's why there was the 2009 Green Revolution, because there was this disagreement between these two groups. And a lot of these protests that have come out have been a kind of symptom or a result of the disagreements between these groups that have existed since the revolution. So this isn't a new thing, but it's something that's important to understand because when we're thinking about negotiating. And when Trump says, we don't know who we're negotiating with, it's actually partially true, because probably on the NSC side, we don't actually know who holds the power levers right now. It's most likely the hardliners, which is Ahmad Vahidi, who's in charge of the IRGC now. He was actually the original founder of Quds Force back in 1988, when Quds Force wasn't even a military unit yet. It was an idea they had and they started using it as this overseas, it was called Office

• 12:43Speaker 05

  of Liberation Movements, or OLM. They actually sent that team to Bosnia, which was the first partner engagement Quds Force ever had, was to fight in Bosnia with the Muslim groups there that the US was actually supporting, which was a very interesting time period in our history, when we're actually aligned, similar to when we were fighting ISIS in 2016, when Iran was also hitting the same targets at that time. So Vahidi also was involved in the Amia bombing in Argentina in the early 1990s, and also the bombing of the Israeli embassy in the early 1990s, killing several hundred people. He was directly involved in the operational planning of that, so he's been a hardliner since day one, fought in the Iran-Iraq war, and now he's, it seems as though he's kind of resting control of the internal levers of government, which means we can probably

• 13:25Speaker 05

  expect a more hardline position on not just diplomacy, but also military operations. So he was one of the first founders of Mosaic Doctrine, like all these things we hear about that are negative about the regime, what they're doing, Vahidi is, directly got his hand inside of that stuff. So when we think about like, oh, was there a regime change? Whether there was or not, the person who has power now is worse than the person who had power before. It doesn't really matter how you define regime change, what matters is what are they doing? What are the effects of what they're doing? And I, I would estimate it's going to be worse, because this guy is, he's not moderated by the Khamenei faction, that was the clerical faction, that was kind of had this veneer of control. The IRGC's always had control, but now that veneer is kind of removed, and we can see

• 14:07Speaker 05

  it removed, because Mohammed Bagram Galiibov, the Speaker of Parliament, seems to be losing control over what's going on, and that control is being distributed over to those IRGC insiders, which are led by Vahidi. And I think that's important for listeners to understand, like what's going on over there? Because we may think that we're talking to Galiibov, and Galiibov is leading the country because he's the Speaker of Parliament, but he actually only controls a small percentage now of, of the decision-making that's going on in the country.

• 14:32Speaker 06

  So one of the things that, that I think is, is, perhaps this is conventional wisdom, but I mean, no one seems to think that a resumption of military activity is on, is in either side's interest. Clearly, President Trump does not want to do this. He wants this to wind down in some fashion. I don't think the Pentagon wants any part of this whatsoever, because what is actually left to do? When you start talking about, you know, the, you know, ground options, I'm sure there's opposition within DOD on this. And Iran doesn't get anything about resumption of military activity because they're getting thumped. I think that, you know, you know, I've talked about kind of this fascination we have of military math and

• 15:13Speaker 06

  and the impressive press briefings, but it turns out that all those impressive press briefings is not what the Defense Intelligence Agency is actually reporting when they said there's still significant percentages of drones and launchers for ballistic missiles. And so perhaps the Iranian military has not been degraded. There was a report yesterday, I saw that actually an Iranian F5 launched an attack in the Gulf. And so but so let's just kind of go with that notion of and I'm just going to say something that's a little bit different. You guys were awesome, what you said, but the notion is we don't want to resume military activity, but the negotiations aren't really going anywhere. So what happens? Is this just kind of everyone does nothing? The blockade continues.

• 15:56Speaker 06

  The strait is closed in some fashion and it's just this kind of, what do you call it? It's a battle of time in terms of economic pain.

• 16:05Speaker 06

  But I guess one of the questions I have is will the United States or Israel at some point make a determination, again, for reasons that I'm not sure I agree with, that resuming attacks on Iran is actually in our interest. And again, what does that mean? And there is the notion of signal versus noise, signal meaning actually movement of assets and movement of assets suggests. And again, you guys see the same airflow on open source. Stuff is still moving towards the region. We have the third aircraft carrier battle group there. I guess the second Mew is or has arrived or is about to. And so you know, it's not like they're withdrawing forces. We are adding. Now, this might be, you know, planned in advance already, but it is kind of a strange situation is that really, I mean, if you think about it, you know, so Vice President

• 16:50Speaker 06

  Vance didn't go, didn't hop on a plane. I don't, I think President Trump was probably correct not to send him because the Iranians certainly could have humiliated us with this. But the Iranian Foreign Minister, I guess, has said he might come back now to Islamabad to continue some type of talks. And so we're in this weird situation. Nothing is really happening. I mean, we're actually doing the podcast now on, on, on a lot of nothing. Some stuff's happened, but not a lot of big moving parts. But then there's this thing hanging over us in terms of the military option. And I do think the Iranians haven't kind of unleashed what they could in terms of asymmetric warfare. Maybe they have, and we've stopped cyber attacks. Maybe we have, you know, the US IC and the Israeli IC have

• 17:32Speaker 06

  stopped kind of the Iranian terrorist apparatus overseas. But I think they could do a lot more and they've chosen not to. And so I guess the question for you guys, after my little soliloquy there is, do you think actually it's possible that military best thing that could happen? Well, the best thing that could happen would be a really good diplomatic agreement, Mick, as you said. Aside from that, maybe just this kind of strange status quo we're sitting at now, if nothing is preferable to resumption of military activity. What are your guys' thoughts?

• 18:03Speaker 05

  I think Medvedev in Russia said it in an interesting way that the Straits of Hormuz are the new nuclear weapon for Iran, which means there's going to be a lot of activity happening outside the Straits to try to affect the Straits without touching the Straits, which if we're using that framework to think about what is the Straits in terms of the Iranian mind right now, it's, they don't want to disrupt what's going on because it's benefiting them. Because this is a bargaining chip that they don't want to let go of. And I think neither side knew before the conflict started just how powerful this lever would become during the conflict. And now Iran is realizing that they're like, we don't want to let go of this thing because now this is all we've got left, especially after all the strikes have degraded things within the country. So they're looking at this point as a non-degraded, appreciable asset that they don't want to let go of. And the reason I'm mentioning that is because I'm looking at Lebanon and thinking about what's going

• 18:48Speaker 05

  on with this meeting between President Aoun and Netanyahu in DC, which is very historic, if people don't know, since 1982, there has not been a meeting between a Lebanese leader and an Israeli leader. And if you've been to South Lebanon, there are signs that point south to Palestine, and they don't have signs that point to Israel, because Lebanon doesn't recognize Israel as a country. They recognize it as Palestine. If you go into the museum in Beirut, there's, there's maps, you know, the history museum, there are maps of Palestine today, and it's all Israel, you know, so that the fact that these two leaders are meeting is a very important component of this larger negotiation where, if we can break off the Lebanese component from the main Iran theater component, at least from, from the military planning perspective, Iran's going to lose its ability to have a

• 19:32Speaker 05

  surrogate force in Hezbollah, if that's true, because what will probably happen is the Lebanese Armed Forces and the IDF will start to work together in South Lebanon to suppress Hezbollah, which is kind of a thing that has never been discussed in the past, because we had the UN Security Council Resolution in the South, setting up the blue line to kind of keep the status quo between Israel and Lebanon since the 2000 withdrawal. It's possible that that could shift a little bit where the Lebanese and the Israelis begin suppressing Hezbollah. And that would mean the regime would only have really its Iraqi and Houthi forces that could actually be a threat in the region. And there could be this kind of domino effect where first we suppress Hezbollah to, to a neutral degree, so they can't do anything to neuter them. And then we've got the Houthis kind of suppressed in the Red Sea area, which we generally

• 20:17Speaker 05

  do. And then the only threat really is that Western portion, the Iraqi portion. And perhaps by taking out these dominos, now you just have a rump state of the IRGC that's been reduced significantly anyway. And maybe that's the direction that we might be moving in, based on how we're doing these negotiations with Lebanon.

• 20:33Speaker 06

  But John, do you see, again, let's go, so I, I think that's, I mean, you know, everyone's going to root for this to actually work. You know, those of us who have been critics of the administration, I think on this note, in terms of kind of pushing the Israelis and Lebanese together, everyone is very supportive of that, I certainly am. But what about the notion, I mean, so let's, let's put, both you guys put your DOD hats back on. Do you think DOD wants any part of resuming military activity against Iran? And, and, and I, you know, and what would that actually entail?

• 21:03Speaker 05

  Well, can we keep doing an air campaign only? That's the real question. And if the answer is yes, I think there might be more support for it. But if the answer is no, I think there's a lot of resistance for many different reasons. Not just moral reasons, but also operational and, you know, quantitative reasons about how much do we have left? How much can we put there? How much can we sustain and maintain over time? And I think they're looking at that and they're looking at the terrain and how difficult the rescue operation was. How much asset was required to get those two pilots out was a lot. And if we can expect more downed pilots, we can expect more harmed forces and isolated persons if we do a ground incursion. And I don't think the DOD is willing to sustain that, or maybe they will if they have to. I don't think they want to.

• 21:45Speaker 06

  Nick, what do you think?

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Well, they will if they have to, but it's a global fighting force and it's designed to be such. And if we want to keep doing that, we can't expend everything on one area, especially if the gains don't outweigh the risks. So, I mean, a lot of these ballistic missiles, for example, are in these areas that are very difficult to reach, even with our most penetrating massive ordinate penetrators. So what do we gain from it? I would argue not that much, but of course, the military planners know more than I do because they're seeing the intel. But everything I'm hearing is they don't want to start it, not necessarily because they want the war to end, although I think they do.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  It's just that we don't gain that much for restarting the air war. So, no, I don't think the Pentagon thinks that's the way to go. To Jonathan's point, I do think that's the way to go. And I think we are going there, whether it's planned or not, in the sense that the, you know, the three major pillars, nuclear ambitions, proxy forces and ballistic missiles.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  Um. The proxy forces have been degraded pretty substantially. If you look at Hezbollah and obviously Hamas. Uh. The two remaining are still an issue, but we should double down on enhancing the relationship between the Lebanese Armed Forces and Lebanese Government and Israel and us. Because if we can remove that uh Hezbollah issue, uh it'll never be completely eradicated. So we have to set reasonable expectations. But reduce it to the point where it's not a threat to Israel or a significant one. And it's not something that Iran can use for its uh strategic purposes. That's a big win. If we can get to a nuclear agreement, then we're confident that they won't actually get to a nuclear weapon.

• 23:40Speaker 04

  That's a big win. And guess what? If we can't, I imagine, you know, if you just listen to Jonathan's discussing about the new regime. All of them are going to want a nuclear weapon. So we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to get to a reason, a place where they don't want it. And right now they do want it. Like if there was hesitation before, I imagine at least philosophically right now, they're like, well, look at what's happening to us. Look what's happening to North Korea. So the two rogue states, there's your examples. So I imagine all of the IRGC people were pushing the former Supreme Leader to get a nuclear weapon or is like, told you. Right? So we're gonna have to address that immediately because now the incentive is definitely there. We don't want them to

• 24:20Speaker 04

  to want that. That's the second pillar. And then the ballistic missiles, of course, that could be tied. I mean, there could be restrictions. We're never gonna have them eliminated because they need it for their national defense. But let's do it in a way that it's regionally makes sense. But not but to become a threat, you know, uh outside of the region and to the level where it could actually protect a nuclear program. So it if and if to Jonathan's uh term, if it's a rump state in Iran that essentially regardless of their intent is not threatening their region, is not uh using proxy forces, is not destabilizing um the Middle East, then that is a good place to hit. And if we can focus on that, that would be a win.

• 25:06Speaker 04

  And I'm looking for a win for the United States, not like it's a sports event, but like we did this for a reason. We need to be successful strategically. And right now it can go either way. It real, I really could. The other point, Mark, like this could be a stalemate for a long time, right? Because neither side wants to push

• 25:27Speaker 06

  Right.

• 25:27Speaker 04

  Uh, the military, um, button again, and neither side seems to be willing to compromise, at least publicly on the diplomatic front. So we could have this long, uh, dragged out blocking of the strait for the world's, uh, you know, energy supply and other important, uh, material and the blocking of the strait from our perspective for the Iranians. And I don't know what that's going to do long term for, uh, you know, global economy, but it's got to be negative. So we're going to have to figure out how to break that impasse. But right now we could be set for a long period of time of that. Like, we could be talking about this, you know, to Christmas here on, uh, Izan, like, what's going to happen next, other than the blockade of the blockade?

• 26:11Speaker 04

  So, uh, hopefully we can convince the Iranians legitimately that it's in their interest to have a nuclear agreement and end the war, uh, in terms that are still, uh, amenable to the US government.

• 26:27Speaker 06

  It'll be interesting to see on that, Nick, because I think that, you know, if, if that is to be the case, there will have to be compromise, not on, only on the Iranian part, but on the United States part. And Trump has, has pursued a, in public, a maximalist position. He's kind of egged on by the Lindsey Graham's of the world and then in this kind of the, uh, kind of the, the GOP leaning kind of Israel, pro-Israel folks on the right, the freedom of the defensive democracy folks. Uh, and it's all, it's all a hundred percent maximalist, uh, but that's not the way diplomatic agreements get signed. So I think that one thing that might constrain Trump, uh, and this is not a good thing, is that an agreement in which, you know, where, where there's going to be some type of, you

• 27:10Speaker 06

  know, moratorium on, uh, enrichment in uranium, whether it's 10 years, 15 years, whatever, um, which is the only way this actually works, I think, um, uh, because of the national pride piece for the, for the Iranians, um, that might not be enough to satisfy kind of some of the right wing kind of supporters, uh, uh, behind Trump and Lindsey Graham's of the world who are going to be howling over this. So I think politically it'll be interesting to see how Trump, uh, I don't think he cares. He doesn't believe in anything. He would, you know, uh, uh, come to agreement, but he has boxed himself in politically on this. I guess one of the things that you, the other thing to kind of note, politics is of course involved in this and, you know, maybe he's made an assessment that the Republicans are going to lose in the midterm.

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• 29:56Speaker 06

  on the Iranian nuclear program, you know, that's, and it might take that, this notion of kind of the battle of time, and maybe Trump's like, okay, we're going to do this, and it's going to take a while. Because remember, he said at one point, he said it's indefinite. The ceasefire, then he said three to five days, now it's back to kind of indefinite again. Uh, you know, this, this all, this will trigger D right now because I'm going to quote an Israeli, some Israeli officials. Because anytime you mention Israel, D gets all shaky and starts kind of, uh, uh, uh, our chat erupts into his diatribe. Um, against BB, but.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  It's not just mine, not just me in the chat. There's other people in the chat who are not fans.

• 30:36Speaker 06

  No, um, that's true, but ultimately, I think that this, the quote was, and I've used it too much on TV. I can't use this anymore. Israeli official said, look, if you take all of Trump's quotes about these, about everything from Truth Social or his pressers, and you throw it into ChatGPT, ChatGPT will implode because he's all over the place on everything. Um, so you know, you know, is it extended? Is it indefinite? No, is it a deadline? Is it two weeks? I mean, it's just, and, and again, this is diplomacy based on Truth Social or three o'clock in the morning. You know, posting the only, I mean, what happened last night with the White House Correspondents Dinner was something certainly worthy to talk about. And, and almost a potentially awful event, but I guess what we haven't heard from Trump over the last 24 hours is anything on Iran.

• 31:19Speaker 06

  Other than JD Vance, uh, not going, um, uh, to Islamabad. So, you know, the best thing that they could do is take his phone away. So he can't, uh, you know, tweet about, about Iran, but, but going back to kind of my, my, my, you know, it's the idea of, you know, is this, is this Trump's kind of decision? You know, was Venezuela, Iran, and then Cuba going to be his legacy? You know, politics be damned? We're going to have $5 gallon a, a gas, but you know, I'm, I'm going to be the one who took down the Iranians running nuclear program, maybe? And then, and then, and, and because maybe they have it baked in that the Republicans lose the House and maybe even the Senate anyhow, regardless. So kind of interesting to think about.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're coming up close, closer and closer to 60 days, right? So what do we expect to happen when, I mean, under the War Powers Act? Congress is supposed to act at 60 days to continue, or it's supposed to, you have what 30 days to start withdrawing? Forces, which I'm not sure exactly what it means because you know, I have to withdraw from a whole region of the world, but the, the point being.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  The Congress needs to act for it to continue. And maybe that's another factor that Iran's looking at. And if if they don't, what's going to happen? So if Congress doesn't act, under the act, and correct me if I'm wrong, law student, then it's supposed to, then it's essentially over. We're supposed to stop combat operations. So if they don't act, then then that's going to be a constitutional issue. Which I assume somebody's gonna May 1st, there you go. And it's about time that the Supreme Court decides this issue. How this isn't decided yet is beyond me. No matter where you stand on it,

• 33:05Speaker 04

  the idea that the most important thing a government does is the decision to go to war. And it's clearly spelled out in the Constitution, Article 1, obviously, with the power to declare war for Congress and the commander in chief for Article 2. And it's still, we still don't have a definitive statement by the Supreme Court on the constitutionality of an act that's been around since the early 70s is just baffling to me. Maybe you guys should talk about that at Yale.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, actually, we did. I'm in my international law class and we talk about it every week. We come in, there's like something new happened over the weekend to talk about how it's changed the way that we're supposed to do things. But if you put the red hat on

• 33:47Speaker 04

  Professor say about, say about the Warhorses Act?

• 33:50Speaker 05

  The thing is, like, the way that the government has been interpreting its own Office of Legal Counsel decisions, which is the the office that makes decisions for the executive branch to say like, this thing is legal, and then everyone in the executive branch can follow that thing as if it's legal, which is like the torture program, for example, had an OLC memo saying we can do waterboarding, for example. And then people are kind of covered for liability purposes under the executive branch. And this, what I would mention, the red hat part of it, because what's happening in the Office of Legal Counsel right now is they're saying, okay, if Congress does say we can't do this, how else can we describe what we're doing in a way that can still be allowed? So what if I'm if I'm in their office and I'm thinking that, I'm going to immediately look at Authorization for use of military force for Iraq.

• 34:35Speaker 05

  And that's what they used in two thousand in twenty twenty January when we killed Qassem Soleimani. We used the AUMF for the Iraq war and it passed muster. And they're going to say, we already passed muster on it once. We have precedent that we are allowed to continue striking Iranian targets using the AUMF. We're going to keep doing that now and we're going to say it's self defense. And if you saw that State Department message that came out a couple of days ago, saying the US is acting in self defense of itself and Israel. Dee, put in your your earplugs. We've already set kind of the the groundwork for us to come up and make a justification that, oh, we're not doing an offensive war. This is a defensive conflict against Iran underneath the AUMF. And that's why we're allowed to continue doing this. We don't even need the nineteen seventy three War Powers Resolution because we're in self defense. Right now, we're under attack. It's not that we're attacking.

• 35:21Speaker 05

  Um, so if I was in their office, that's probably the conversation that's going on right now. How do we draft a memo like that to allow people to continue regardless of what Congress does? But probably Congress won't do anything because they already have had an opportunity to do something and they haven't done it.

• 35:36Speaker 06

  And don't, you know, one of the things on this too is that where where the the argument, the partisan argument falls apart is, of course, the Democrats have, or, you know, Democratic presidents have ignored the War Powers Act justice.

• 35:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, this isn't a partisan.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, so so, I mean, that's that's that would be an argument for someone who actually cares about the Constitution. I mean, or cares about the kind of the rule of law and and constraints and three, three co equal branches of government to say on either side of the aisle, hey, you know, Congress has to get involved here because, you know, it's just like so many of the other things this administration is doing. And Trump is doing against the norms. You got to be careful because if it becomes kind of regularized, the next, the next president comes from the other party is going to do all the same things. And so, you know, that's, but but I don't, I mean, look, I don't know how you guys feel. I've totally lost all faith in Congress as an institution completely. Um, and when you kind of going back to back to politics, politics, when you see Trump's approval ratings are in the thirties, it's a, you know, uh, it certainly looks like there, there'll be

• 36:34Speaker 06

  a bloodbath, uh, probably a bad term now, but, uh, you know, uh, uh, they'll lose, um, significantly in the midterms, but you also, if you look at the support for Democrats in Congress, it's like in the teens. I mean, so people don't like Congress to begin with, and for good reason, because they, you know, we have incompetent, you know, uh, dipshits.

• 36:53Speaker 03

  They're useless. Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 06

  I mean, the, the people who are actually running, you know, the net, the, you know, the, the, the powers of our government now never should be there. I'm sorry. And so, you know, Congress didn't do it, do its job. If you think, you know, um, uh, you know, Pete Hegseth and, and RFK Junior and Tulsi Gabbard and Cash Patel are, are actually qualified. That's preposterous. And so, but, you know, but Congress has kind of given up on this. And so I don't think they're going to do anything. And Mick, I, I, you know, it's going to be interesting because there'll be some great op-eds, even from the Wall Street Journal and from conservative institutions, which are going to say, well, hold on a second. But, um, I don't think they're going to do anything past the 60 day mark. I mean, Trump's blown by so many different norms anyhow. So why would this be any different than anything else? I think it's important for people to speak up on it. Um, but I don't see anything changing.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  Well, the fact that that's the argument that they're cooking up in the general counsel's office is complete, like utter, like nonsense. Let's be honest. It's a defensive war. Um, that's the craziest thing.

• 37:53Speaker 05

  It was the same when Soleimani was killed though. I mean, the argument against the Soleimani

• 37:56Speaker 03

  But at least he was, he was in Iraq, right?

• 37:56Speaker 05

  thing was like.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  He was flying from Syria to Iraq. He, so they had already had the operation going before he was in Iraq. So they preemptively staged advanced force operations and other things with TFO in the area. They already had planned this thing. Like it's going to happen, you know? Is that defensive? I don't know.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  But the hit happened in Iraq.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, that, that Soleimani was responsible for.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Like I could see there being a little bit. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  Campaign to kill Americans.

• 38:23Speaker 06

  That was a CT op. Yeah, they used the CT. I mean, that was under more under CT as well because regardless of he was an Iranian military official, it was that he was also the head of a terrorist organization. I think they use.

• 38:34Speaker 05

  That's the thing you can say is IRGC is a US designated terrorist organization. So you can continue using the CT exord. Instead of using authorization for use of military force, or even the war powers resolution, you can say, no, this is a CT op and it's in international waters, by the way. So it's not even an issue of are we in the country? And maybe we have to pursue them into their country. Maybe, you know, hot pursuit. That's okay, right? Like this is how it can be described.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't obviously speak for the country, but I'm guessing that if you just spelled out the War Powers Act.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Plan, then most Americans would say yes. If you just took it out of like the current political situation and whether you're red or blue or neither. That if you said, hey, can the president just start an endless war and just keeps going on without Congress authorization? I'm guessing about 99% of Americans would say, no, no. Right? I mean, because the current people, to be frank, that are in this war, keep complaining about the the war we just left that went on for 20 years. Right? So like, um, we, we seems like we need to slap the table on just how this should go. Regardless of the current situation or who you're affiliated with.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  Say, oh, do we literally not want Congress, which is the direct representation of the American people to have no say in whether we continue war and they don't get to opt out. They don't get to just say nothing or vote to not vote.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  Which is what they're doing, right?

• 40:03Speaker 06

  You know, and I think that, you know, it's a, I mean, Congress voting on this is a good thing. That would actually, and so.

• 40:11Speaker 06

  Like, so here's the other thing, like if, if, if this was kind of a normally functioning White House, you would say, okay, we need to make a justification to the American people and justification to Congress. We're going to engage tremendously on this. We've talked on this show before. There are legitimate reasons to actually undertake this operation. I, I know they haven't gotten it straight in terms of all the different objectives, but if they've done this and let's say Congress votes on it, the administration is in a hugely strengthened position. Because the other, the other part of it too is, and there's no doubt, and you know, perhaps this is an interesting avenue as well, is the Iranians notice. I mean, you know, the Iranians have used kind of social media and trolling and all of this because they certainly see the divides in the United States and this exacerbates that. But let's say we

• 40:55Speaker 06

  had a congressional vote, the administration had done the right thing and it passes. That actually puts the Iranians in a weaker position, Trump in a better position politically. But more, most importantly for us is we are in a better position vis a vis Iran if you had that, a successful vote. But at this point, the one, with the other part of this now, maybe to throw in to kind of go against everything I'm saying is that maybe we've gone so far and that they've done so little that actually this vote might not pass now. So maybe that's part of their calculation as well because they flubbed the initial part of this. And so, and that would be if there was a war powers resolution and it failed in Congress, that would be pretty damaging to our position at the negotiating table.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  It would be. Yeah, that's true. But that's part of the being in a democracy.

• 41:43Speaker 06

  Right.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  A constitutional democracy.

• 41:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  I feel like our negotiating, negotiating position is pretty shitty right now, for being honest. Because I, I mean, we talked about the straight of our moves being de facto blocked, where let's say 5% of what usually comes out of it, comes out of it. That's going to have major, let's say you mix that to, you know, Christmas, we're talking about this. That's a huge, major hit to the global economy, to oil prices and stuff like that. Like, maybe we're not feeling it that much right now in America. I mean, in the West Coast they are, but like, at some point, like, that's gonna, that bill's gonna come due.

• 42:21Speaker 06

  It cost me a hundred bucks to fill up my pickup truck yesterday. I was shocked. Expensive. Gas is expensive now.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I mean, I don't know if we're at a better spot than we were, uh, February 27th, to be honest, on the negotiation table, negotiating table.

• 42:35Speaker 06

  Hey, can I, can I, can I raise the issue? Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Jonathan.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  I was just gonna mention with the straits, like, the whole thing where you keep talking about the straits, the straits. Well, I just want to zoom into what happened in the last forty-eight hours in the straits, the number of transits that went through. So there was one Russian yacht owned by an oligarch that passed through unmolested. There were four Omani vessels that passed through, one ferry, which is normal, like, local traffic. And then two Iranian flat shadow fleet tankers passed through, one an Iranian-owned vessel and one a non-Iranian-owned vessel. That's all that passed through. So twenty-five percent of the eight vessels that went through in the last forty-eight hours were Iran-linked vessels, and one was a Russian oligarch. So to me, it's like, okay, how actually controlled is this? And how are we describing it in the West versus what's actually happening on the ground? It's just a question mark.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  And we didn't stop the Iranian vessels?

• 43:22Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's confusing because you have these, these, and I don't have it up now. There's something on X, which is like a vessel tracker that seems to be reputable and nonpartisan. And you look at that and you're like, well, stuff is getting through, but then DOD is announcing it's not. So it is kind of confusing on what's, what's happening. But one question I have for you guys, and I think it's important, is what the Trump administration, what Trump himself has been saying over the last, what, three or four days, perhaps? He's talking about these divisions within, uh, uh, uh, Iran, and it is potentially significant. You know, uh, and I guess that brings up the, the idea, or to me it did, in terms of our intel collection.

• 44:02Speaker 06

  I, you know, do you think this is because Trump is actually, you know, finally listening to or receiving intelligence briefings that, hey, this is what's happening? You know, this is why these things are breaking down within, within Iran, because there does seem to be some type of leadership struggle.

• 44:17Speaker 06

  And that just brings up the notion of our intelligence collection in Iran. And what I've talked about before with you guys is, hey, we're great at man hunting. The find, fix, and finish, us and the Israelis can kill anyone anywhere on the planet. Uh, that's been demonstrated. That's a different type of intelligence collection and different source you recruit for pattern of life versus um, a strategic asset in the, you know, in the, you know, Iranian, you know, supreme leader's office. So what do you guys think of it, or if you have any window into the state of US intel collect now? I mean, do you think it's, because it seems to me that Trump is now alluding to things um, that he did, he would not have come up with on his own. So maybe, maybe there is some interesting intelligence collection that's coming in that details this, kind of the splits within the Iranian leadership. What are you guys' thoughts?

• 45:03Speaker 04

  I think it's probable. Obviously, we've been tasked, we'd be in the intelligence have been tasked to do this because it's absolutely pivotal for the negotiations. Right. It's important for the US to know, is this a tactic of delay where they believe they have leveraged the longer this goes? Or is it actually a dysfunction of the government?

• 45:23Speaker 06

  Right.

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Because that's a big determination. If you can, because you know, from the US perspective, from President Trump's perspective, if it's literally because, you know, the Supreme Leader doesn't want any technology communication devices around him, obvious for obvious reasons. And there's this slow, like courier system to get information back and forth. Is it because there's just arguments between Vahidi and Goliath? For example, you see a lot of stuff about that. And it's just, they just had an impasse that haven't been broken by the Supreme Leader, the Supreme Leader even alive. I don't know that. I'm not starting a conspiracy theory, but when you don't present any evidence you're alive,

• 46:07Speaker 04

  you can't help people making a speculation you might not be. So I think it's, I think that would be tasked, Mark, to your question. And I can see why the president would want to know, like, am I, are these guys really think that this is in their interest to do this delay tactic? Or is it just a complete disarray? And if it's, if it's the latter, that you might want to give them more latitude.

• 46:31Speaker 06

  That's a great point. And I think that that is actually really important because the time honored Iranian way of delay is something that Trump has said, we're not going to allow to happen. But, but you know, perhaps because there is this dysfunction, he has given this more time. That would make some sense. And actually, in some ways, that's, you know, I mean, I want President Trump to listen to his intelligence briefings.

• 46:54Speaker 06

  So that's kind of, that's kind of an interesting point there.

• 46:58Speaker 05

  I wonder how much division there is that could be exploited by covert action in Iran to keep splitting that more, keep it up, you know, because the longer that goes on, the more opportunity we have to actually seize control of the situation instead of letting it just metastasize on its own.

• 47:13Speaker 06

  Well, that's, you know, that's a really good point because and one of the things I think everyone here in this, in this, on the pod in our group agree on is that, you know, and I, we don't, we don't have the answer to this, but everything we're talking about has to do with kind of, you know, overt military moves or overt diplomatic moves, but where's the covert action piece on this? Um, you know, we all worked in that kind of old secret world and there was, there's been effort covert action efforts against Iran going on forever. So I do wonder what's happening with that. Um, uh, because you could actually make an argument and I think, you know, we've talked about this on so many, this goes back to the Soleimani strike. Why in the world was it not title 50 versus title 10 while Trump wanted to brag about it? Um, uh, but there's, there are things that we, we could

• 47:54Speaker 06

  be doing under the table. Um, and I hope we are, um, I just don't know our capabilities anymore. And, and, you know, there was certainly some compromises, very public compromises in our Iranian networks over the last, you know, decade or so. But, um, it would seem to me there is a huge place for covert action here. Uh, uh, and, and because covert action works and when it's in concert with the US policy.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  What kind of examples? What can they do hypothetically in the press or whatever?

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Political influence. Oh, in the press? I mean,

• 48:24Speaker 03

  No, I'm talking about not saying anything that's TTP wise, that's classified or whatever. We're like, what could we actually do?

• 48:31Speaker 04

  I wouldn't do that. I mean, we focus a lot on covert action being the kinetic stuff, stuff that Mark's saying that we're really good at. We are good at it. We're, we're good at finding people and making, making them go away for sure. We're also really good at, I would say partner force operations, um, you know, working with other, although Politic Lu screwed that up with, um, not keeping our end of the deal, but we're really good at doing it, like embedding with groups. Look at the ISIS program, for example. I think we could be just as good as it with influence operations.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 49:02Speaker 04

  Um, I don't know that we put the needed, uh, resources into it as we do with the others. If, if we are, great. If we aren't, we need to do a much better job, but they're only really effective if we keep them quiet. So like if we can't, as soon as we brag about doing something on the influence side, then everything that we touch turns to The opposite of gold, put it that way, right? Uh, like I was gonna ask Jonathan, like, who do we want to actually take power in Iran? But then I thought otherwise, because we put a damn target on their head, right? So I think that's where we should, not that Iran listens to Izan, but maybe they do. But we need to be.

• 49:43Speaker 06

  Sponsor us, dude.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. But, but I think we could be just as good. We got really smart people. We're really good, especially in the agency, I would say, at integrating actual people from there, not just making somebody who's not from there an expert, uh, as other agencies do. But I don't, I don't know, but we should be doing that nonstop and we need to make sure that is the closest hope. Like, there should be no bragging ever about the fact that we did it, if we did it. And I don't know that we're doing it.

• 50:15Speaker 06

  By the way, so Mick, Mick, on this note, and Jonathan maybe comment in a second. So Trump actually said, yeah, we love dealing with these moderates. There's now what he called a moderates, pragmatists, reasonable people. Like, was that like the wrong thing to say? Because perhaps those are the people we want to be influencing to take power. But he just then did something. And then the reaction that we saw, of course, is that Bahidi and others then crushed, uh, all these moderates. So, you know, Mick, along with your point, and Jonathan, we can put you on the spot. You know Iran better than us. I mean, who is, who would be the, who would be a, a, a, you know, someone that, or a group can say the pragmatists, moderates, whatever, reformers, that we should be pushing?

• 50:55Speaker 06

  That would be a, the better, let's just say, the best negotiating partner to get to a reasonable settlement?

• 51:02Speaker 05

  The mistake would be describing them as moderates, because the way the constitution is set up is to filter all candidates through the supreme leader's office. So anyone in any position of authority that currently is in the government now has already been approved by the supreme leader, which means they already have bought into the list of requirements that they must have, not just religious requirements, but also ideological alignment and other things that put them in a certain bucket that would be unacceptable to the US, unless the US is willing to change its policy like we did with Ahmad Al Shara in Syria, where the first week of December, he was a $10 million bounty on his head. And the second week of December, we are meeting with him in his office and he's now our friend.

• 51:38Speaker 06

  So wasn't Ahmad Al Shara playing basketball with him?

• 51:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, if that's the way we're gonna go, okay, that's how we go. But if we're gonna look at it rationally and say like, he's still the same guy. They're still the same people and they still have the same dreams and outcomes that they want from before we took the bounties off and before we changed the designation. So, Mick, to your point, actually, the answer to that question is actually more interesting. The people that that are the ones who can come to power are the people. So there needs to be some kind of referendum or change in the structure of the government where the people that are not allowed to have power are allowed to have power. Because all the ones who do have power are aligned with the regime. If you describe them as moderate, that's all relative. It's moderate in relation to a hardliner. And what does that even mean? I mean, that's just an abstract thing. So, I would be worried about keeping the people in government who are there now and and expecting them to become aligned with us.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Because that's not how they were picked in the first place. You know, it was like an evolution of their of their beliefs that got them to the point where they are now, and they're not gonna change that in inside themselves. They might publicly say like, oh, we're fixed, we're better now. But I don't know if I would trust that.

• 52:39Speaker 06

  Who was our, so who were the better negotiating partners? Or they're just, it just doesn't matter is what you're saying. I mean, I'm not, that's curious. Yeah.

• 52:46Speaker 05

  From from a realist perspective, probably Golyavov is best because he is a survivor. He knows how to move around in the system and and, you know, arrange power structures in a way that's that's beneficial. And if if he's doing that in the government, that's probably helpful to keep things predictable, because sometimes it's better, even if the guy is bad, if you know about him, it's easier than if you don't know about him, but he's good, because you don't know what to expect. So in this case, we can actually prepare things around knowing how he behaves and what he does, because we've been following for a long time. And he's, you know, pretty predictable as far as what he's gonna do next. Whereas someone like Vahidi is a lot less like that. And that's because Vahidi has an ideological thing guiding him, and that is the destruction of Israel. And he's said this since nineteen seventy nine, that that's his dream.

• 53:27Speaker 05

  And he keeps saying it even now, like today, he said it. So, I mean, this is not something that's changing very soon for him. So putting someone like that or allowing them to reach the top is probably not gonna be a helpful outcome for the US. So someone like Poseshevskian is not good, the president, because he's very weak and he was selected to be president on purpose because of his weakness. And, you know, Raisi was like the opposite of Poseshevskian. Raisi died in a helicopter crash. They brought Poseshevskian in because he could actually be that counterbalance of quote unquote moderate to the more hardline group, which is led by Vahidi. So, these people all exist within the same universe, basically, of their belief system. So from us on the outside, there aren't really any moderates really in there in terms of you of the world's idea of what a moderate is.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Is it true that the commander of the IRGC can remove the Speaker of the Parliament during wartime? That's another thing that's been bouncing around with reporters out there.

• 54:22Speaker 05

  So he would need the expediency council to approve that? Because none of these decisions can be made without the Supreme Leader in theory. And the expediency council is supposed to act on his behalf in this situation. But we also saw that Mochtaba was selected without the correct process in the Constitution. So Vahidi is the one that actually pushed that movement outside of process. So I would not be surprised if he acts outside of process again. Because who's going to stop him? He's the one that controls the most violent organization in the country with the most power and authority behind him. So in this situation, I mean, he's like an authoritarian inside of an authoritarian system. So he's got this ability to just unilaterally act. I wouldn't be surprised if he just broke the quote unquote rules that they have.

• 55:04Speaker 04

  So this is a worthy discussion.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Because the hearsay problem, right? We could have Golyboff that could come around to our perspective. But it really doesn't matter if Vahidi could simply fire him. And so all of the negotiations that we, if we do get these going, which we all hope we do. It really comes down, if that's the case, and he has the authority to do it, and obviously has the inclination. Then it really comes down to trying to get against Vahidi, which is the most hardline person I've heard described. That it's a good idea to enter a new nuclear agreement with the United States, right? I mean, because if he gets close to an agreement, or even if he has an agreement, he can simply remove from having any authority.

• 55:54Speaker 05

  And think about that in the short term. If he was able to do that, let's say that he just allowed Golyboff to reach an agreement with the US. And then pulled the agreement and pulled Golyboff. Think about the embarrassment to the United States that would have, especially if he allowed it to like string on so that people get their hopes up in the West and they think everything's great. And he just yanks that out. Huge, huge, you know, media benefit and information spectrum benefit by doing that. And then he could continue on with whatever plan he has. So he's almost got like a double win out of this by allowing Golyboff to look like he's in control until the moment that it has the highest value to remove him.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  So Vahidi's number one target if the bombing starts again, I'm assuming, right? That's who we're looking for?

• 56:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, actually, the US asked Israel not to kill Vahidi during the initial strikes.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  I feel like that's going to change a little bit now. I feel like the dust has settled now and he's like the big boy who's making the moves and he, you know, is obviously a hard, hardliner, as hard as it gets.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  This is gonna be great, guys. This is gonna be great. Yeah, I really feel really confident about how this is gonna end. Frank, really. Anything else?

• 57:06Speaker 06

  The Red Sox are their entire front office, their entire coaching staff.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  No one cares, Mark.

• 57:13Speaker 06

  Iran, White House Correspondents' Dinner, whatever, let's talk about the Red Sox. The state of the Red Sox is not good. I went to the game yesterday in Baltimore. They won 17 to 1 and then they fired everybody. There you go.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  Why'd they fire him?

• 57:26Speaker 06

  Uh, because they suck. They're 10 and 17. So the Red Sox are not doing very well.

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• 59:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I'm happy. It's all right. They'll be fun.

• 59:34Speaker 06

  You have Aaron Boone. There you go.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  All right, guys, listen, do us a favor. I want you guys to go and buy Jonathan Hackett's books. Iran Shadow Weapons and the Theory of Irregular Warfare. Those links are in the description. Nick's got it on his shelf.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  I want you guys to go and check out the Whitefish Security Summit website. The next one is happening early 2027 in February, end of February.

• 59:59Speaker 04

  February 24, 26.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  We got some, we got some good folks speaking, if you wouldn't mind me.

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  Sam Monday, retired Marsa commander, three-star general. Carrie Filippetti, former DAS Deputy Assistant Secretary for Venezuela. She runs the Vandenberg Coalition now. Who else? Edward Burns, used to run the naval component of JSOC. Michael Ratney, former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. Chris Costa, um, he's the current director of the spy museum, but was a was presidential special advisor for counterterrorism. And hopefully all of our team from Izon.

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  So we it's shaping up to be pretty, pretty freaking good. So excited about it.

• 1:00:57Speaker 06

  Bring your bear spray.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  Yes, or buy it here and don't take it on the plane. That's a big issue. People coming on the in Montana. They always like, there's like signs when you're getting get to the airport, like do not bring your bear spray on the plane. Apparently it blows up.

• 1:01:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're totally getting eaten by a bear.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, a hundred percent. I'm fucking useless.

• 1:01:17Speaker 06

  They're lining up right now.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  I'm not leaving the fucking hotel, bro.

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  I'm a concrete princess, dude.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  My pavement princess, that's what they call it.

• 1:01:28Speaker 06

  We're gonna see, you're gonna see decked out in some snow gear. It's gonna be good.

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  All right, we'll go skiing. The ski resort is, I don't think you guys can see it. Can you see the, it's still that, it's still got snow on the actual runs.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll sit back in the cabin. You guys let me know. Give me the brief when you guys come get back.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  No, I could ski, actually. I used to be a, I used to ski. Not anymore. I don't want to break a fucking hip. You know what I'm saying? Can't have that. All right. So check that out. The link is in the description for the summit. Mark P. He's got a book, Clarity in Crisis. Mike, Mark, you should write a memoir. Just do it, man.

• 1:02:09Speaker 06

  I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm bar star in the country doing my Red Sox stuff, you know?

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 06

  My little TV gig, you know? I did, I did actually two college talks this week. I was at Georgetown, um, uh, and then, uh, and then at University of Virginia. And just on a quick note on that, just for, for both, I mean, obviously, you know, we, we deal with a lot of negativity about what's happening. Huge partisan divides in the United States, but when you go talk to students, um, and Jonathan, I'm sure you see this, uh, uh, uh, yell to, I mean, there is, you know, that's passing the torch to the next generation. There's some really smart folks out there. Um, so that's what kind of gives me a boost, you know, um, just, you know, that there are, there are people still willing to step up and do public service. Every time I do these talks, I ask people, how many here in an audience of 50 are interested in going into the government? A lot of people raise their hand. That's a good thing.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  Good. That's good to hear.

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  Thank you.

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