You Chose This Life Before You Were Born — Robert Edward Grant on Sacred Geometry, Da Vinci’s Hidden Code, Ancient Mathematics & The Simulation of Reality

What if EVERYTHING you’ve been taught about science, consciousness, and even your own thoughts…is incomplete? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Robert Edward Grant (renowned polymath, inventor, entrepreneur, mathematician, philosopher, host of the series Code X on Gaia.com) pulls back the veil on reality itself, revealing why millions are feeling an intense shift right now as humanity crosses into the Age of Aquarius. This isn’t just spiritual talk - it’s a radical fusion of math, physics, ancient wisdom, and consciousness that will leave you questioning everything. Why are so many people experiencing massive life transitions right now? Is the universe actually NOT material? Are your thoughts even happening inside your brain, or somewhere else entirely? We go deep into the hidden patterns that connect numerology, astrology, mythology, and sacred geometry, uncovering why music is literally “the geometry we hear” and how math might be the source code of reality itself. Robert shares his shocking personal journey, from Big Pharma CEO to spiritual seeker, and how repeated betrayal led him to one profound realization: You are here to learn unconditional love. Discover why what you judge is exactly what you attract, why he believes everyone must go through narcissism as part of their evolution, and whether ancient civilizations like Egypt, and even Leonardo da Vinci, have known secrets about higher-dimensional geometry that we’re only now rediscovering. Robert breaks down: - What if the brain isn’t a storage device, but an antenna tuning into a non-local field of consciousness? - Are there hidden codes embedded in da Vinci’s art? - What is the Akashic field, and could all memory (past, present, and future) exist in an invisible infrasonic frequency field connecting Earth, the sun, and human thought? - If reality is a simulation, what happens when you become lucid inside it? - Why science and spirituality are not opposites, but the same language - How all disciplines (math, biology, psychology, physics, philosophy) are just different lenses of one truth - Deeper meaning behind the most popular song the week you were born - Why prime factorization is the foundation of encryption, and possibly reality itself - His belief that God is still learning and evolving - Why he doesn’t fear “dark people”, only those who deny their darkness - How much of your life is actually predestined - Why polymaths appear on the walls of the Vatican - Mystery behind his favorite number, 137 His ultimate message? You don’t need a guru. You don’t need AI. You don’t need religion. Everything you’re searching for is already within you. If you’re ready to rethink reality, consciousness, and your place in the universe, this is the conversation you’ve been waiting for. Robert Edward Grant’s Code X series on Gaia: https://robertedwardgrant.com/code-x/ The Architect AI by Robert Edward Grant is also available on Gaia: https://www.gaia.com/video/architect-a-companion-tool-for-expansion Gaia’s Ancient Civilizations Conference: https://marketplace.gaia.com/products/ancient-civilizations-conference-2026?srsltid=AfmBOop1lbk9d7u5RoGKruBnuMV3OMnP6pZahL1AXhkIVVCKtq2Sp55L Get 15% off + a FREE bottle of MassZymes ($20 value) when you go to https://bioptimizers.com/breaker and use code BREAKER. Limited-time offer, only available through this link (not on Amazon or in stores). Grab it while it lasts. Machine Washable Rugs, Made Better. For a limited time only, our listeners get 10% off + free shipping at https://www.tumbleliving.com/BREAK #Tumble #adhd Text BREAKDOWN to 64000 to get 20% off all IQBAR products, plus FREE shipping. Message and data rates may apply. Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code BREAK at https://mudwtr.com/BREAK ! #mudwtrpod Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Name anything in the world and I'll tell you how it's mathematical. It is the source code. Geometry, the QR code for your subconscious mind.

• 0:07Mayim Bialik?

  Most people have never seen this.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  Thoughts might actually be entirely non-local, like a radio tuning in, the frequency. And our heart and emotional stance determines what the dial of that radio is tuning into. When you change the way you see things, the things you see will change. A light can't light itself. Consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors. And we are those mirrors. Know thyself.

• 0:28Mayim Bialik?

  Sir Robert Edward Grant has uncovered a secret code hidden in the ancient Egyptian pyramids and Leonardo da Vinci's greatest masterpieces, revealing a new understanding of our reality.

• 0:39Speaker 00

  The Earth actually goes through long seasonal cycles. We've been through the winter and the dark side. We've just moved into the age of Aquarius. That's why everything seems so bizarre. I was facing the same challenges over and over. There was a pattern tied to numerology that was directly tied also to astrology. I was always good at manifesting, but I never considered the notion that maybe I'm just remembering the path that I already chose. If you start taking off the governor of your own belief system, how much more could you experience?

• 1:14Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Mayim Viallick.

• 1:15Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:16Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our breakdown. Are we entering the age of Aquarius? Is something happening on this planet that is opening up endless potential creativity and the possibility for viewing the world in a way that we never have viewed it before? Our guest today is exactly the right person to answer this question. Sir Robert Edward Grant is our guest today. He's the host of the series Code X on Gaia, and he is a polymath, an inventor, an entrepreneur, a mathematician, a philosopher. His knowledge spans every single field that you can think of.

• 1:57Mayim Bialik?

  And he talks about how all of these fields have a common message and a common way that we can understand consciousness, the nature of reality, and our spiritual potential.

• 2:09Speaker 00

  This conversation touches so many different areas that Mayim and I actually reflected back and thought there are so many details that we didn't get to cover that we wanted to revisit some of those sections and insert more explanation to help ground the conversation.

• 2:25Mayim Bialik?

  We're going to cover everything from Egypt to Leonardo da Vinci to geometry to music and the one universal message all fields contain. It's a pleasure to welcome in person Sir Robert Edward Grant to the Breakdown.

• 2:41Speaker 03

  Break it down.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  Thank you. Great to be here with you.

• 2:46Mayim Bialik?

  I have to say, it's very strange because you have jumped off of my computer screen and into our podcast studio. I've been really enjoying Codex and you're in like a blazer and just the sound of your voice is very soothing, but it's just very exciting to have you here in person so that we can have our personal, our own personal time with you. So, welcome.

• 3:07Speaker 00

  Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I'm going through a transformation, as you can see, because actually, I'm still the guy in the blazer. There's no difference, but I think all of us are going through, well, many of us are going through major transition right now. And I think it has a lot to do with spirituality, but it also has a lot to do with where the earth is in its cycle.

• 3:29Jonathan Cohen?

  Say more.

• 3:31Speaker 00

  Well, I think one of the things that you might have seen in Codex is I talk about the precession of equinox. And the precession of equinox is a, you know, some would say between a 24,000 and 26,000 year cycle. And we just went through the vernal equinox, which was on, you know, 2012. And as we go through that, then we start to now go into the spring. So, it's the notion that the earth actually goes through long seasonal cycles as well. So, we've been through the winter and the dark side. You've probably seen the whole television series called Game of Thrones, where they kept saying, "Winter is coming. Winter is coming." And they're not referring to that year. It's like a long cycle of winter. And during this long cycle of winter, we end up in dark ages. We end

• 4:15Speaker 00

  up in like hibernation mode from a consciousness perspective. And then as we move into spring and summer, we move into the golden age of where humanity goes. And that this is a backdrop that was described, in a sense, by Plato when he described the great year. And and so I think what we're now going into, because we're just moved into the age of Aquarius, which is a approximately a 2,000 to 2,160 year cycle. And everything changes because that backdrop of consciousness in this grand play, this majestic play that we're living out, it has a different set change every couple thousand years. So the last 2,000 years, we were in the age of Pisces, the Piscean age. And Pisces is two fish swimming opposite directions tied together by a rope, right?

• 5:00Speaker 00

  And that could represent so many aspects, whether it's male and female, right? Whether it's like the opposite of yin yang, it's like flipping around, they're going the opposite directions. Or you could say it's like science and spirituality. Science and spirituality, we're not always historically entirely separated. And what we're now realizing is that it's not really those two things are totally juxtaposed to each other. Just as light and darkness are actually just two sides of the same coin.

• 5:25Mayim Bialik?

  Mm hmm. Can you talk a little bit about the age of Aquarius, right? This is something many of us know from the musical, right? And this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

• 5:33Speaker 00

  Actually, that's the song. I don't know if you know this, but if you go back in time, we could actually do it for fun. Go back in time to the week that you were born and then look up on Billboard's chart, number one song, the week of your birth. It's like another type of astrology.

• 5:49Mayim Bialik?

  I want to do it so bad. Should we do it right now?

• 5:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

• 5:54Mayim Bialik?

  So wait, what am I supposed to do?

• 5:55Speaker 00

  So look up your birthday, Billboard charts, just ask, you know, on Google. What was the number one song on Billboard?

• 6:02Mayim Bialik?

  I don't know how to do that. Okay.

• 6:02Speaker 00

  Just Google.

• 6:03Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm doing it.

• 6:03Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, just, okay.

• 6:04Speaker 00

  Number one song, the week of your birth.

• 6:07Jonathan Cohen?

  Top song on Billboard 100 was Fly, Robin Fly.

• 6:12Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 6:13Jonathan Cohen?

  By Silver Convention.

• 6:14Mayim Bialik?

  I don't even know if I know that song.

• 6:16Jonathan Cohen?

  And she knows every song that's ever been made.

• 6:18Mayim Bialik?

  I do.

• 6:18Speaker 00

  So you know what? I bet you if you listen to it, you would know it. But if you just look up the lyrics, let's read the lyrics.

• 6:23Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, this is a great.

• 6:23Jonathan Cohen?

  Okay, hold on.

• 6:24Mayim Bialik?

  All right.

• 6:24Jonathan Cohen?

  Let's get the lyrics.

• 6:26Mayim Bialik?

  I'm not, yep. Also jive talking. I mean, that's a pretty good one.

• 6:30Speaker 00

  Jive talking.

• 6:31Mayim Bialik?

  Also Best of My Love? These were on the list.

• 6:34Speaker 00

  You know what? Okay, so here's the thing.

• 6:36Mayim Bialik?

  I think Kung Fu Fighting was as well.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  Think about it like it-

• 6:38Jonathan Cohen?

  That's really her.

• 6:39Speaker 00

  Okay, everybody was-

• 6:40Mayim Bialik?

  Kung Fu Fighting.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's right, exactly. So here's the thing. Just as we have astrology, everything in the universe is all part of this gigantic symphony. And just as you have different frequencies that relate to the different planets, even the songs that showed up are related to those same frequencies. And so they basically imbue and embed into your psyche.

• 7:04Mayim Bialik?

  What are the lyrics to Fly, Rob and Fly?

• 7:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Uh, haven't gotten them yet. It seems a little harder.

• 7:09Speaker 00

  Is it Fly, Rob and Fly?

• 7:11Jonathan Cohen?

  You have those voices? We haven't heard you singing before.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  Well, I am a musician, so...

• 7:17Jonathan Cohen?

  I have knock-

• 7:18Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, I've got it.

• 7:20Jonathan Cohen?

  You have them?

• 7:20Mayim Bialik?

  I've got them. Oh, wow.

• 7:22Jonathan Cohen?

  Fly, Rob and Fly.

• 7:23Mayim Bialik?

  That's-

• 7:23Jonathan Cohen?

  Fly, Rob and Fly.

• 7:24Mayim Bialik?

  Literally the only lyrics to the song are Fly.

• 7:27Jonathan Cohen?

  Up, up to the sky.

• 7:28Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, it's three verses.

• 7:30Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 7:31Mayim Bialik?

  The lyrics of which are the same in every verse, which is the tedium that I am living. And the lyrics are only Fly, Rob and Fly, up, up to the sky.

• 7:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:42Mayim Bialik?

  I'm assuming the music must fill in all those other blanks.

• 7:46Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm gonna look up mine, just out of curiosity.

• 7:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, so look up yours. Top song was Donna Summer's Hot Stuff.

• 7:52Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, what?

• 7:55Jonathan Cohen?

  There you go.

• 7:57Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 7:58Jonathan Cohen?

  There you go.

• 7:58Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 7:59Mayim Bialik?

  This is a fun game. Okay, sorry, we got a little bit off track.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  So now you can look up mine. Look up mine.

• 8:03Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so what's yours?

• 8:04Speaker 00

  May 16th, 1969.

• 8:07Mayim Bialik?

  So the number one song is Aquarius, Let the Sunshine In, which is the theme song to a show that we were recently watching. So you feel that you were born into some Aquarian age.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  This is the dawn of the age of Aquarius.

• 8:25Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 8:25Speaker 00

  When the moon is in the second house and the sun- You know, they've heard the word here.

• 8:29Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  When the moon is in the second house and Jupiter aligns with Mars. And peace will rule the planets. And love will guide the stars. This is the dawning of the age. Aquarius, yeah, you know it.

• 8:50Mayim Bialik?

  Before we go on, and this is one of the incredible things about Robert, is that we started talking about the Age of Aquarius. We started talking about what is this era that he is transforming into, that we are all transforming into? And it became a conversation about music, right? And that's sort of how his brain works. And that's how all of our brains are actually designed to work. So we got from the Age of Aquarius to this notion of the Earth's rotation, and then it went to music. I'm gonna take us on a little journey through, just a little one, through the Age of Aquarius from an astronomy perspective. And it's important to remember astronomy and astrology are not the same thing,

• 9:35Mayim Bialik?

  but where is that kind of overlap? So the Age of Aquarius is an astrological concept, right? But it does have astronomical basis. So it's an astrological era that is linked to the shift of the Earth's axis, which is known as the procession of the equinoxes. And this is an actual thing in astronomy. But what astrology has noted is that it's a transition from Pisces to Aquarius, meaning from Pisces being dominant to Aquarius being dominant. And as we know, in astrology, there are different characteristics for all of the Zodiac signs. And Jonathan, I'm wondering, can you tell us? Do you know what Aquarians are known for?

• 10:18Mayim Bialik?

  What someone who's an Aquarius is known for?

• 10:21Jonathan Cohen?

  It's a water sign, if I am accurate in my...

• 10:24Mayim Bialik?

  It's got the word aqua in it.

• 10:25Jonathan Cohen?

  And water is known to be fluid, emotional.

• 10:29Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 10:31Jonathan Cohen?

  That's kind of all I know, actually.

• 10:32Mayim Bialik?

  So that's great. The Aquarian themes are rebellion.

• 10:36Jonathan Cohen?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:37Mayim Bialik?

  Innovation, technology, community, and the unconventional. So that is this kind of era that we are moving into. That's what the Age of Aquarius is. However, I do want to talk a little bit about what's actually happening, because it's linked, as Robert told us, to this sort of 24 to 26,000-year cycle. Like, what the heck is that? So we know that the planet, it revolves in its own orbit, and that's how we know when it's day or when it's night, is when the Earth is rotating. And it's either like moon, sun, great. But the Earth is also rotating around the Sun. So it is spinning by itself.

• 11:20Mayim Bialik?

  And this is me following an elliptical pattern that you can't see, but it's in my mind's eye. So it's circling and going around the Sun as well.

• 11:28Jonathan Cohen?

  It's like a whirling dervish, where it is whirling and then also in relation to other things.

• 11:34Mayim Bialik?

  What happens is 364 and 1/4, 365 days, that is a full year. But here's the thing that's fun and special. The Earth doesn't actually rotate like a perfect spinning top. It rotates like a wobbling spinning top.

• 11:51Jonathan Cohen?

  Like a drunk whirling dervish.

• 11:52Mayim Bialik?

  Like a drunk whirling dervish. So what happens is, sometimes, the top of the Earth's axis, like when you think of the North Pole, sometimes that points to Polaris, which is a star. But sometimes it points to Vega. And you might be thinking, what is that?

• 12:09Jonathan Cohen?

  That's a big difference.

• 12:09Mayim Bialik?

  It's a huge difference. And each full wobble that it takes is between 24,000 and 26,000 years. It's actually 25,772 years.

• 12:20Jonathan Cohen?

  Just a blink of an eye.

• 12:21Mayim Bialik?

  Correct. So if you're wondering why Robert referenced, like, well, you know, between 24,000 and 26,000, that's what it is. That's the wobble of the Earth. It's not a perfect rotation. And that does indicate a different position of stars.

• 12:34Jonathan Cohen?

  If I'm extrapolating.

• 12:36Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 12:37Jonathan Cohen?

  The point of the pole, depending on the star that it's most connected to, is going to feed the Earth with a different energetic resonance, which is going to create a different mood mentality.

• 12:50Mayim Bialik?

  Great.

• 12:50Jonathan Cohen?

  And opportunity here on this planet.

• 12:52Mayim Bialik?

  Great. So in astrology, if you break down this 26, roughly 26,000-year cycle of procession, is what it's called, if you break it down into the 12 zodiac signs, you get different qualities, as it were. And the one that we are entering into, and again, this was a song in the 60s, is the age of Aquarius.

• 13:12Jonathan Cohen?

  This is a little bit of my problem, is that they've been singing about it since the 60s. It's been taking a minute to get to it.

• 13:19Mayim Bialik?

  So, most astrologers hold that the age of Pisces, that's the one before the age of Aquarius, began roughly around the year 200. So like, just for fun, look up what the world looked like in 200. That was the age of Pisces. At some point, we should be entering the age of Aquarius. Was it in the 1960s? I don't know. If you're looking at a 26,000-year span, the 60s wasn't very long ago. So it could have been then, it could be tomorrow, it could be next year. We're not sure. But that's the age of Aquarius. The other thing that I wanted to mention, and this is from a really cool NASA link that we can include, is that all of these kinds of cycles were actually determined about a century ago

• 14:02Mayim Bialik?

  by a Serbian incredible scientist. He was an astronomer, he was a climatologist. He, he kind of did everything. And his last name was Milankovic. And so they're called the Milankovic cycles when you look into these things. And, and he's one of the first who looked at the changes in eccentricity of the wobble of the Earth. So I just wanted to mention that. Another thing that's important to point out in terms of what Robert's talking about is when the collective consciousness begins to shift, and this is something Lee Harris talked about with us, Daryl Anka, when he, you know, talked about Bashar. This is sort of this conversation about, what does it look like when existing systems fight back to an elevation of vibration, right? Or a collective consciousness beginning to shift?

• 14:47Mayim Bialik?

  It can look like political turmoil, institutional breakdown, the rise of authoritarian leadership, which is why a lot of people see what's going on in the world as a possible hint that the age of Aquarius is upon us. We may see increased polarization, ideological extremes. So entering the age of Aquarius, you know, is just one piece of sort of a larger puzzle that so many of our guests have talked about. And obviously, I saw it in Robert just when he walked in, because he looks so different. And as he said, he's undergoing a transformation. Now that we've covered the dawning of the age of Aquarius, and also, what a cool musical game to play. We're so curious to hear what songs were Billboard number ones when you all were born.

• 15:30Mayim Bialik?

  We wanted to find out from Robert, kind of how he got here. He has a very interesting background, and he's going to talk about it. Let's hear a little bit more about how that transformation needed to occur.

• 15:43Mayim Bialik?

  When did you first have an indication that you could be in touch with these kinds of things?

• 15:51Speaker 00

  When I was a big pharma CEO.

• 15:55Speaker 00

  Sounds kind of funny, right?

• 15:56Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 15:57Speaker 00

  A lot of people think that astrology is just mumbo jumbo.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  But without understanding, and they also think that mythology is mumbo jumbo. What if I told you that those things, whether they're astrological in their nature or mythological in nature, they're simply archetypal? And go into Jungian psychology and then you start realizing that all of these things have deeper symbolic meanings. So I had always felt like, you know, well, geez, we often say that there's no truth to astrology. And so from a, you know, reductionistic scientist perspective, we can't even apply any kind of logic behind the thinking of it. But yet millions and billions of people follow it every day in some way, shape or form. And there must be something to it if that many people are actually following it.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  Right? And same thing with mythology. You know, maybe the mythos that we're seeing and we're hearing the stories about are actually the things that we're living in our life and we just haven't done yet. Because we're cycling through time in a hero's journey. And that hero's journey is something that we don't really realize because we come in here into this world. We're born into a world of separation. We're born into a world where we think, okay, I'm in this material world and everything is separate from me. And so I start building up my persona more and more, not through what I decide I'm going to be, but rather what I decide what I'm not going to be. Because those things that bring me shame and blame and guilt and pain are the things I say I'm not that. And then instead of me recognizing that I maybe am those things as well, I start blaming other people for being those things.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  And that's narcissistic self-projection. And then we just continue on until we become absolute narcissists by the time we're in our midlife. And we have a hero bias and we believe that we have to be existing so that, you know, we can only define ourselves by where the villain begins. So where the villain begins is where the hero ends and vice versa. I just read a quote yesterday that showed every dragon births a slayer.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  And I think from a philosophical perspective, we start to realize that there's something more to this archetypal knowledge. So I started noticing patterns in my own life and seeing that I was facing the same challenges over and over and over again in the corporate world, in my personal relationships, in my friendships and everything. And as I started realizing those patterns, I started noticing that there was a pattern tied to numerology that was directly tied also to astrology, that was tied to some hidden geometric form. And music is just the geometry we experience with our ears.

• 18:36Mayim Bialik?

  I loved how you talked about music in one of the Codex episodes. I can't remember which, and it may come up, you know, in a few places. But this notion that that's sort of your brain's way of showing we can use both sides in this beautiful way, but that they're kind of mirror images of each other.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  That's right. So we are living in a world of mirrors. And we live at that boundary of the mirror. And that boundary is defining a conscious persona and a subconscious collective or collective unconscious. And that's exactly where I believe we're living. And so instead, in that context, then, when you finally transcend beyond this notion that we live in a material world, but actually we live in a mentalism world, because you don't experience the world as it actually is. We all experience the earth and our experience here is as we are, not as it is. We can't separate our conditioning bias. And so we could say then, in that context, that maybe all of academia is some sort of hallucination

• 19:36Speaker 00

  to believe that their version of objectivity is actually objective, when there's no such thing as objective experience. There's only subjective experience. I've never once had an objective experience. Not in science, not anywhere. Because I can't separate, and this is what happens with Big Pharma, you know, clinical trials. They get so ensconced in believing this is what it has to be, that you can create the outcomes, right? This is like the Hawthorne effect. If you go and weigh yourself every day, the chances you'll be able to lose weight because you're micro-changing, making titrations to your own belief system that you're going to lose weight because your expectation, if I'm standing on a scale every day, I better be losing weight. Or if you're fearing too much that you're going to gain weight,

• 20:20Speaker 00

  every time you step on the scale, you'll actually gain weight too. So this idea that we live in a material universe, I think, is an entirely wrong supposition.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  And I think that the the evidence is very, very much pointing to that, that you can't separate your experience from your own conditioning bias.

• 20:39Jonathan Cohen?

  When you started to have that realization as an executive, was there a moment that you were like, my journey is now over here? What was that transition?

• 20:48Speaker 00

  You know, it was funny because I my career was kind of very unusual. I always was like, kind of, I don't know. When I was born in Texas, my mother tells me the story that, you know, one kid a year in the hospital I was born in, and they were not wealthy at all. They were quite poor. And one kid a year is given, you know, a silver spoon. And so I was the kid that got the silver spoon. So it shows up in the newspaper and everything, like a child born with a silver spoon, even though I was like, not born with a silver spoon at all. And and so I get the silver spoon. And on my 50th birthday, my parents came and gave me the plaque with the with the silver spoon and everything in it, in this beautiful like box and all. And it happened to be exactly around the same time as well

• 21:31Speaker 00

  that we went to the moon. Right? Or purportedly. And this was the Apollo 11 mission, right? The Apollo 11 mission. And and so so it's kind of interesting because as we start to form our persona, we start to separate out even gender. So that becomes the thing that we're not. Right? And then as we get through life and we start realizing what got me here won't get me there. And I was in a work situation that I always just had like this incredible luck. Like every time I would fall in a pile of shit, I would end up somehow coming out better off than before I fell in the pile of shit. And I could never understand it. It was like this weird thing. People would say I was like born with like a,

• 22:14Speaker 00

  you know, I could always pull a rabbit out of my backside. Always. And I would take massive risks. Always huge risks. And then somehow it wouldn't always go exactly as I wanted, but it would always turn out for the better. So no matter what the circumstance was, I was always blessed, right? So it's like every very, very difficult circumstance I experienced, I finally realized, looking back on it, that it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Now, was that just my attitude? Did that then create the outcomes that led to that? I don't really know. But what I can tell you is that I was constantly lucky. And, and I was also facing the same challenges over and over and over again. I couldn't understand why.

• 22:54Speaker 00

  And in, in about 2016, I had one of the companies, you know, I was the president of Allergan Medical, which was a big pharma company. Allergan makes Botox, Juvederm, Lapband, Latisse, those are all my products. I launched those, made them like household names and had thousands of employees. And I was kind of a high flyer in my 30s, right? And then, and then I became 40, I became CEO of Baush and Lam Surgical, which is like another big giant corporation. And, and then I left that and I, I wanted to learn the secret sauce of private equity. And then after doing that for a few years, I realized, oh, the secret is there's no sauce, there's just debt.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  And if you know how to play the debt, and I became like a, a master at the financial side of things, like I figured that out, but I was always an operating leader and I, I loved doing it. That's what I did. I would do like big turnarounds and I always had like this lucky somehow, I don't know, you know, the rabbit's foot or something. I always had some sort of aspect that would just kind of carry around with me that always made me lucky. And, and then finally I, I faced a huge crisis in 2016. And I thought I was out of rabbits, like no more rabbits to pull.

• 24:07Mayim Bialik?

  A personal crisis?

• 24:08Speaker 00

  No, I had my own company. I had founded it in 2012 and then it got to unicorn status. It was over a billion dollar valuation within two years of me founding the company. And, and then next thing I know, like the, one of the VCs that backed it decided to get kind of greedy because the way it works with VC world is that if everything goes exactly as the CEO plans, the VC will make two times their money. If everything doesn't go as the CEO plans and they hit a bump in the road and it could just be exogenous, market related, then the VC makes three to five times their money.

• 24:45Speaker 00

  And then if things really go bad with the outer market, then the VC can make 10 times their money. And so this is why they're called vulture capital very often because they just then take the equity of the founder and cram them down. It's called a cram down, right? And so they do a next round valuation and they have all kinds of anti-dilution protections. And so as a result, the money that they put in at a billion dollar valuation, if they could push the valuation down to 200 million, it gets rehypothecated to the new valuation. So if you put 50 million in at a billion dollars, you have, you know, less than 5% of the company, like 4% or something like that. And if you, if you could get the company's next round and you can block them from getting any other investment from other, from other parties and make their life difficult, then

• 25:28Speaker 00

  you could push them down to a $200 million valuation, right? Because they have no other way to get money in the company. And if they're burning a lot of capital, then you've got them dead to rights. And so then the VC comes back to them and says, okay, I'm going to do this at $200 million valuation now. So my 50 million is now 25% of the company.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  This is the game. So I went through one of these. I don't know anyone who survived this type of thing as a CEO. Luckily I did. I was able, at the very last second, I had to raise $55 million in one day or I was going to lose all the control in one day. And somehow I pulled a rabbit out and raised $55 million in a day.

• 26:06Mayim Bialik?

  Was that from one person?

• 26:08Speaker 00

  It was 40 million from one group and it was, it had to be one of the current investors.

• 26:12Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 26:12Speaker 00

  It was 40 million from one group and it was 15 million from me and my backers, right? Who, and so I kind of was like, whoa, that was a close one because I was going to lose it all if I didn't raise 55 million. I thought that's nearly, I mean, it's absolutely impossible to do that. So when I did finally, then I kind of was like completely freaked out because I.

• 26:40Speaker 00

  I felt like I won, but I lost the war. I won the battle, but I lost the war because the carnage that came as a result of that. I mean, you can't believe what these VCs will do. They'll go to the people that are loyalists to you and they'll basically say, if you back us in this plan, then we'll give you like zero value stock options. And so you'll be able to make a billion dollars off of this type of thing. Look, we're all going to do this. If we can cram down the company, we all get a better deal. And we just didn't want the CEO. So all they're really doing is stealing the CEO's equity. And so what it did is it caused me to go, why in the heck did I have? Cause I had about a thousand employees at that time. I said, I had probably 700 of them had worked for me before at different companies, had been absolutely loyalists and everything. But as soon as they were faced with, you know,

• 27:24Speaker 00

  not having their own income guaranteed, right? Then all of a sudden their ethics flipped to, oh, this is unethical. And whatever is expedient for them and beneficial to them becomes their moral imperative. So it just told me, there's no such thing as ethics. It's complete bullshit. It's only what will benefit you. And we lie to ourselves and everybody else and say, oh, whatever it is that will benefit me financially or socially or reputationally is the moral imperative without a doubt. That's what we do. Look at politics for details.

• 27:55Mayim Bialik?

  So how did this lead to a shift for you?

• 27:58Speaker 00

  I started realizing everything that I thought was a fact, that I had built my entire outer world on, believing that the outer world was separate from me. And I was like trying to be a hero in this world as a narcissist does. And narcissism is something I believe every one of us goes through. It is not something, even people that claim to be, you know, people that are empaths. Some of the most narcissistic people I've ever met are the people that claim to be empaths.

• 28:25Jonathan Cohen?

  It's all about how it influences them and impacts them.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely. They're like minarch this, minarch that, you know? And then everyone's got to be toting or all around them and make them, it's like, they're just covert narcissists. They just don't realize it. So there's overt narcissists and there's covert narcissists, but they're still narcissists. And it's just like this, you know? It's like, if you, if, and I started noticing this, that the people that called out other people for being arrogant, were the most arrogant people. And, and so it's like, if you spot it, that means you got it. So I started seeing the hypocrisy in everything. I started noticing, whoa, why is it that policemen choose to be cops? Why is it that they choose to be cops? Is it maybe that they're trying to repress the notion that they're actually wanting to be criminals?

• 29:13Speaker 00

  I'm not saying this for everybody, but there is something-

• 29:15Mayim Bialik?

  Some cops are criminals. I've seen the documentaries.

• 29:17Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, that's why the, our, our media often is reflective of that. You know, how many stories is it the cop right on the edge? He gets flipped over. It's always-

• 29:25Speaker 00

  Totally right. And lawyers, you could say the same thing. And judges and, and all these different professions, people that choose to be doctors, right? It's like, what is the real intention? Oh, I want to be Doogie Howser. Or no, you want to be recognized for being smart. And, and you, you want to get paid a lot of money for doing that too. So there's this side of it that is, I'm doing this for the patients. So we always want to put on the white coat like the big pharma company does, right? And, and so they can go and sell the idea that, okay, I'm going to launch a drug like ProVenge that costs a hundred thousand dollars per treatment for, you know, prostate cancer. And I can justify that because I'm helping people.

• 30:05Mayim Bialik?

  So what was that, what was it like for you to step out of that? What did your life look like?

• 30:10Speaker 00

  Well, it was a, a massive shift. So what happened was I still retained control of the company and I still remained as vice chairman of the company. And I had, you know, 90% of the voting rights in the company. But I left as CEO. So I stepped out because I was like, wait, this is, why am I experiencing this kind of betrayal? So I asked myself the bigger, deeper question. It's like, why did I choose this? For the first time in my life, it wasn't why did something happen to me? Because that's what the narcissist does. The narcissist is constantly deflecting and constantly, it's like when Adam is in the Garden of Eden. He eats the apple and God shows, Adam, where were you? Oh, I was hiding. Why were you hiding? Oh, because I'm naked. Who told you you're naked? Did you eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

• 30:52Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, the woman that you gave me and commanded I should remain with her? She's the one that bitch, she gave me the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and I did eat. Eve, what did you do? Uh, the serpent beguiled me and I did eat. So the first time it says in the Bible that Adam felt ashamed. The first translation of that ashamedness, right? That shame feeling was blame. Instantly. And that's the deflection that we all do. And that's how we build up for the first half of our life. Right? The name of God is supposed to be, I am that I am. Right? But the first half of our life, as we go through this narcissistic arc, it's, I am not that I'm not. And then when we finally realize, wait, it's not, it's just like the scene in The Matrix where Neo is sitting on the park bench and, and the oracle says, you want a candy?

• 31:38Speaker 00

  And, and he says, well, you already know if I'm going to take a candy or not. So why even asking? And she says, look, if I didn't already know this, then I wouldn't be much of an oracle. And she says, but that's not the important question. The important question is not what you will choose. It's why you already chose what you chose. And to me, that's where I started realizing, okay, we're living this life, this outer world is more of a you inverse as a mirror reflection of what's inside of us than it is a universe.

• 32:10Mayim Bialik?

  This is another great place to, to jump in because one of the things that I really appreciate about Robert's perspective, he sees all parts of himself. He sees the part of himself that was the successful CEO. And I mean, these are huge companies that he's talking about. And as you know, like this is no small thing to succeed in that business. What kind of personality would you say you have to have to succeed in that world?

• 32:34Speaker 00

  I mean, it's sad and scary to say that most personality types who succeed at the highest level of corporate America are semi ruthless, unemotional, very pragmatic, and you want, you can want to take care of people. But as he says, um, the incentive structure of these organizations is such that you've got to take care of your own. And as soon as you're at risk, it's kind of battle on all fronts.

• 32:58Mayim Bialik?

  Well, and what he talks about is, you know, we hear this word narcissism and it's such like a buzzword for us, right? It's on social media and he's a narcissist and she's a narcissist. But what he talks about is that everyone has to go through that sort of phase. And the world that he came from, that business world, it, it's a real kind of shadow side. And as he's going to talk about, you know, when we think about Jungian psychology and Jung was obviously, um, a, a student of Freud. Right and extrapolated and did a lot of different things than Freud did. But one of the main things that Jungian psychology gave us is parts work, shadow work, what are the darkest parts of ourselves? And what's the opposite of the darkest parts of ourself? And how can we find it and be that person?

• 33:39Mayim Bialik?

  So I'm so excited that Robert can speak to kind of literally both sides of it. And also give us a bit of a guideline into what shadow integration looks like. And how the things that he saw about himself became the impetus for transforming into something truly magnificent.

• 34:00Mayim Bialik?

  So what was the message that you were able to glean about yourself?

• 34:04Speaker 00

  That my, my life's journey, and I started noticing the pattern that I had experienced over and over and over again with increasing intensity, was to experience betrayal. Now, why did I choose to experience betrayal? Because I really came here to learn unconditional love. So what's the opposite of unconditional love? Betrayal. We come to this place to experience limitation for Source Creator. That's what I believe. What's the one thing that God cannot experience in his or her? Omnipotence, omnipresence, and omnipotence. It's the one thing that it cannot experience without us. And it also cannot experience the ability to see itself without some form of mirror, and we are those mirrors.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  And I can't see itself without the aid of a mirror. A light can't light itself, a fire can't burn itself, a knife can't cut itself. Likewise, consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors. And we are those mirrors. So we each have a job in that process. Our job is to be the most unique mirror we can be and stop trying to be somebody else and realize that you are everything else. That's when the arc of narcissism ends because you realize, wait, I'm doing this for myself. The universe didn't happen to me, it's happening for and through me. And I chose this, and why did I choose it? Well, because I wanted to learn unconditional love.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  And the only way to learn unconditional love and to absolutely experience unconditional love is to fully accept its opposite. Because until I've learned how to fully accept betrayal, that it exists, I haven't yet learned unconditional love.

• 35:45Mayim Bialik?

  So what have the past 10 years kind of shown you on this journey?

• 35:51Speaker 00

  It's shown me the most beautiful thing that like the most viable asset to the entire universe is our individuality. Every single one of us. And so we go through different stages. We think that our job is to be a hero. And we have this in The Matrix, right? We have this bias to believe that we should be a hero. And with that hero-ness means we have to identify villains. And so that means that like, let's say, for example, we don't realize that everything we judge is actually what we'll attract. You will attract everything you judge until you no longer judge what you attracted. So let's say you pick your thing. It could be deforestation. So you want to stop deforestation because that's your hero mission. So who's the villain?

• 36:36Speaker 00

  The villain are the big deforestation companies, right? So you're going to stand in front of the bulldozer and stop it and do the selfie and show everybody that you're being a hero to stop the villain of deforestation. But didn't I just say that you attract everything you judge until you no longer judge what you attract? So what then happens? If that's true, then you end up living in a world that's literally surrounded by deforestation. You're creating it and you don't even realize it.

• 37:08Mayim Bialik?

  I think one of the things that would be helpful, you know, for us to kind of give people a grounding, when you sort of approach any sort of problem, you're approaching it from a variety of angles. Can you talk about being a polymath and sort of what that means? And also historically, what are some examples we can look to?

• 37:29Speaker 00

  So polymathy is just, you know, having many learnings. And math, the original word mathematics, did not mean the study of quantity or the science of quantity as it does today. It was Aristotle who decided to narrow the definition of the word mathematics to that terminology. He was more like a botanist who would like to make classifications. And so he wanted to narrow it down, but the original name mathematics was all learning. Mathematics is like a language of learning. And it's the underpinning that all things have. There's nothing, you could name anything in the world. And I'll tell you how it's mathematical and you just maybe didn't perceive it as such. But everything is, it is the source code.

• 38:13Speaker 00

  And so the polymaths often started off as mathematicians and geometers. Because there's something with geometry. I like to think of it as a QR code for your subconscious mind. You look at this geometric form. It's kind of like, you know, putting your phone with a camera on top of a QR code. It takes you to a different URL address. And what's happening when you look at geometry is your subconscious mind is going to a different URL address. And it's to a different website that's called Aquarian OS. Think of it like this, it starts to then download to you at a subconscious level. You're not even aware of it. A whole new environment and a whole new outer world that subtly changes as you change. As you change, the world around you starts to change.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  So each polymath was realizing this path of the hero's journey. Which is the Joseph Campbell story, you know, more than 10,000 stories throughout human history. Told over campfires and everything. Where people would come together and they would talk about, you know, the same archetypal story that we see every day on television and in film and in books. And so what I started realizing was that, wow, what we think the outer world is, is not actually what the outer world is. Maybe it's just a backdrop for us to experience this separation. To go through our own hero's journey. And that each one of us has a hero's journey that we're basically living out. And this is very much what, you know, Carl Jung would say, or Maslow would also say.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  And then to be able to learn how to transcend those lower level desires. And take it up to the higher points, you know, from the lower body up into the higher points of the body and the crown. That would then lead you to a transcendence. Where you would no longer perceive the world as dualistic. And when you realize that, and you start realizing that everything I thought was a fact is actually just a facet of a larger prism of truth. That prism I wasn't aware of because I didn't understand that there was even a larger prism to perceive. And that's the stage where you go from narcissism. Narcissism is the belief that only your perspective is real.

• 40:23Speaker 00

  And that everyone else is delusional or wrong.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  But there is a transcendence above that. So you can go to the stage of, and this is the first doorway you have to go to, is you have to realize that there is no objective truth. There's only a subjective truth because we all experience it subjectively. So does that mean that there's no discernment? No, it does not. And are there different pathways that get you places without having to have as much suffering? Yes. And the best way I can describe that is a mathematical way. So one of the things I've spent a lot of time working on is, because I work in cryptography as well, is on factorization. So prime factorization. So you probably know that the foundation of all encryption today is based on factorization,

• 41:11Speaker 00

  with the exception of the quantum protocols. And so like if I said to you, your bank account right now is the number 35 and the private keys are 5 and 7. Now, they can publish 35 and that would be, if you just took that number and made it much, much, much, much larger, actually exactly how encryption works. And the reason why this works is if I said, well, okay, what are the two factors of 35? You have it memorized, you say 5 and 7, that's easy. But if I said, well, okay, let's make your public key encryption, you know, 12,193, what are the two factors of that? And it's going to take you longer through trial and error to find out that it's 89 and 137. And then you keep expanding that number. And each time you expand it, it becomes 10 times, 10 times harder.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  You get a number with 600 digits, the amount of time computationally it would take for you to find the two factors of that number. And there's only one needle in the haystack that creates a perfect square. The only, you know, answer to that is going to take 300 trillion years to find.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Right, unless there's a geometric method that uses resonance to find it, right? Which is one of the things that I have worked on. And then you realize, okay, so there's infinite ways to get to the number four. I could multiply any infinite number of numbers to get to the number four. But there's only one way to get there through a perfect square in the real plane. And that's two times two. So even though everyone can have a different pathway to their truth, there's one most resonant truth. There's one that is as the highest resonance. It doesn't mean that it's the only truth. It just means it has the highest resonance and the the least amount of impediment to the path

• 42:58Speaker 00

  of getting there, and it's the fastest as well. So this is where I started realizing, okay, the transcendence of perspective. And usually the distance between the two factors is what defines how long it takes to find that number. So it's kind of like, how long does it take for two countries that have very, very different backgrounds to come to resolution on a topic? Right? And the truth will always, just as Shakespeare says, right? The truth shall be found in the center. But the problem is, if you don't know the distance between these two numbers, then how do you find the distance? How do you find the center point with no distance?

• 43:37Mayim Bialik?

  It seems also that, you know, a lot of what this kind of thinking is doing is taking the literal and expanding it out, not just to the conceptual, but kind of to a spiritual level.

• 43:49Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:49Mayim Bialik?

  Right? Can you talk a little bit about, I mean, guided geometry in particular I'm interested in? And sort of what it means to have sort of a spiritual relationship with not only numbers, but shapes?

• 44:03Jonathan Cohen?

  I think it's interesting in in this conversation that there's levels of reflection that are happening. When you talk about God being, using us as reflections of consciousness, each system that you're talking about has its own reflection in it.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  Yes, and and, you know, that actually takes you back to, this is why, you know, you probably heard the old Socrates statement. It's probably much older than Socrates as well, which is know thyself. It's the two simple words that are the most difficult thing we will ever do. And I don't think it's something that ends because, you know, you're omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

• 44:40Speaker 00

  Consciousness, the universe is expanding at the speed of light, just as consciousness is expanding at the speed of light. So it's like, wait a minute. Does that mean that God continues to learn? Yeah, I believe that. And that, why, why exist? Unless you can actually learn all of your, your aspects. I mean, even shadow consciousness is the hardest thing that we all do. Right? We learn to integrate our shadow from a Jungian perspective, and the anima and animus. And that process of learning yourself and being revealed that aspect of yourself that you thought was not you and that you had deflected all along. It's a very humbling process and a very introspective and spiritual one.

• 45:21Speaker 00

  So what, what then occurs for us is we have to start realizing that, wait a minute, I'm the master of my fate. I'm the captain of my soul. Right? It's like one of my favorite, my, one of my favorite poems is by William Ernest Henley. And it says, "Out of the night that covers me, black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul. In the fell clutch of circumstance, I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance, my head is bloodied, yet unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears looms but the horror of the shade. And yet, the menace of the years finds and shall find me unafraid. It matters not how straight the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll. I am the master of my fate.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  I'm the captain of my soul." And when we're in our most narcissistic state, in a way, we're at the, the fulcrum of that battle, of being the belief that, wait, the world is happening to me. I have to fight and be the hero and win and vanquish the villain, without realizing that you are the villain. Every one of us is. And I, I do not fear at all, uh, people that have darkness, because all of us have darkness. I'm only afraid of people that believe they have none. So this is the realization of what the awakening truly is. It's realizing the aspects of the self that you have put away in your journey

• 46:50Speaker 00

  through the arc up until the ordeal. And then it starts to accumulate back into you. And that's when you're coming back to the at-onement. That's your atonement. And then you return with the elixir. The elixir is just memory of who you were all along.

• 47:08Mayim Bialik?

  I need to stop here because there's so much dense, intense information that Robert just talked about. And this notion of us needing to, to kind of have mirrors, to have opposite sides, this notion that God is learning, I mean, it's such a mystical concept. And I love how he's combining it with practicality, right? A light can't light itself. A knife can't cut itself. The way we talk about it, it's like you can't see light if you don't have dark, right? You need kind of those sides. But he takes it to the spiritual level of God creating all these different facets, because the only thing God cannot do by God's self

• 47:54Mayim Bialik?

  is perceive God's self. Does that make sense?

• 47:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Yes, and there's something core in all of his research and the way that he ties ideas together, which is that every part of our existence is a set of reflective patterns. So when he's talking about sacred geometry and finding that sacred geometry and thinking about how the earth rotates and thinking about what part of the solar system we're connected to, it's all these reflective patterns as we are a reflective pattern for the existence of God to know itself. Nature's a reflective pattern of our science and our medicine. And so he just goes deeper and deeper and deeper. It's a series of Russian nesting dolls where

• 48:40Jonathan Cohen?

  you just open the next layer and the next layer and the next layer and you see that it's actually all the same.

• 48:45Mayim Bialik?

  Well, and so like what I thought of was fractals, you know, I thought of fractal patterns which occur in nature and also psychedelic stickers that you want to put on your computer and your water bottle. But this notion that everything is repeating in some way, and it's kind of like the more you zoom out, the less different we are, right? I mean, like, I know that's like what you tell a five-year-old, right? Or a 10-year-old. But that notion that there's so many repeating patterns and that we're so focused on divisiveness, we're so focused on borders and territory and identity and immigration and all these super important things, but like from this, you know, 30,000 foot or 30,000 light year, you know, away view. That's all, it's all similar. And that's what sort of our human experience is.

• 49:30Mayim Bialik?

  And whether you believe in God or something mystical or kind of some other kind of observer, that's the only thing that an observer cannot do by itself, is observe itself. And that's sort of what we're here for. Robert's going to get into more about some of this complexity and all this beautiful intricacy. And we're also going to get into a conversation about the brain as an antenna and not hard drive storage, which as a neuroscientist, I love so much. Because my entire 12 years of study were about, what does it do? Where is it? Can I dissect it? Did I dissect it wrong? The answer was always yes. But like, what's the location of the function of the thing? And what he's going to talk about is the, the brain and thoughts,

• 50:15Mayim Bialik?

  those are not easy to encapsulate in the way that anatomical structures are. And there's a reason for that and a larger purpose. So let's get back into the conversation. You know, this notion that we don't invent anything? We're simply re-remembering?

• 50:30Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 50:31Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, can you talk a little bit about that?

• 50:33Speaker 00

  Oh, 100%. You know, it's, it's funny because in, in the term of polymathy, the way I think of it is, is like it's many learnings, right? And many learnings, you start recognizing, wait, if I take applied mathematics, applied mathematics becomes geometry. But applied geometry becomes physics. And applied physics becomes chemistry. And applied chemistry is biology. And applied biology is psychology. And applied psychology is sociology. And applied sociology is philosophy. And applied philosophy is mathematics.

• 51:08Speaker 00

  Yet we teach them all as totally separate, distinct, disciplined areas within the sciences. And we, we look at it and we say, oh, well, you know, a psychologist doesn't know anything about science. But that's not true in the ancient sense. In the ancient sense, to know yourself, you had to go on this path to turn on the brain. You've got the picture of the brain right over here. And, and the brain is more like an antenna than it is a, you know, it's an antenna and a radio receiver than it is a hard drive storage unit. We don't even know where thoughts reside.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  We think that they're happening inside, you know, the synaptic junction inside of our brain when this is, you know, having the light bulb go off. But actually, there's no evidence of that. The thoughts might actually be entirely non-local and that that's just like a radio tuning in to that frequency. And that's what I believe. I believe that we have brains that are radio receivers and that our heart and emotional stance and emotional position and state determines what, you know, the dial of that radio is basically tuning into.

• 52:18Jonathan Cohen?

  Let's talk about that notion of the radio receiver because we've heard it a few times and we've explored that with some past guests, some physicists who are trying to build a system of consciousness and an explanation of how it all works. One piece of evidence that is curious and sparks a lot of interest is this idea of different ideas, especially in ancient times, popping up in different traditions all over the world. And there was very little way that those societies could have communicated with each other, but there are links across all these different cultures. What they point to is unclear, but there are these similarities and some people are looking at those to say, what does it mean now? Where are we now?

• 53:02Jonathan Cohen?

  You know, because at the beginning of the episode, you talk a lot about like the evolution of Earth and a lot of people are looking around being like, how do I know myself? How do I ground myself into what's happening right now so that I can have a narrative of this is all part of a process that I am a part of and that I feel connected to and that it makes sense. You know, how would you approach that that big idea?

• 53:27Speaker 00

  First of all, the language of the universe is math and geometry. It absolutely is. And what you might not realize is that every aspect of your life is determined by that mathematics and geometry. So but we're not taught mathematics in that sense. Again, we narrowed it to the study of quantity or the science of quantity when when actually that's not what it is at all. It's everything. It's resonant. So all music is based on right triangle relationships that are called musical intervals that are based on Pythagorean style triples in many cases, right? Or three, four, five triangle is giving birth to pretty much the entire musical scale through its own transforms. A five, 12, 13 triangle. These are Pythagorean triples. That is actually the foundational basis from a physics perspective that I'm

• 54:12Speaker 00

  finding is actually the thing that connects the entire universe together. There's not one area or branch of science that is not impacted by it. I don't know a single one. And and I can prove that to anyone. And so we keep looking for this mythical shape that's going to be the shape that is the universe. It's actually just right triangles. Right triangles is the one shape that can project up even into higher dimensions. And that's what we didn't realize. And that's why I wrote a paper in December regarding it's called the grant projection theorem. You can find it on my website. But this idea that geometry is the foundation that connects all of science and all of art. It's not just science. It's

• 54:54Speaker 00

  art. It's dance. It's literally everything. And in consciousness as well. That is, I think, where things are definitely going. And even the scientific and the physics world recognizes this. There's a lot more traction around geometry as the underlying connection between everything than there ever has been before. So I think I think that's really what it is. It's and seeing that geometry in philosophy, seeing that geometry in politics, seeing that geometry that there is a truth resonance related to a geometric notion of ratio. Then think about it. Our entire experience is based on this. If I have a length of this

• 55:35Speaker 00

  much, what does that even mean? I don't know what that is, right? I have to ascribe some value of that versus another.

• 55:43Speaker 00

  In order to ascribe any meaning to this, I have to know what this is. And then that makes a right triangle. And then you've got implied, the hypotenuse is already implied. If you just connect the base of this line, the horizontal axis to the vertical axis, you've got a right triangle and you already know the third side. You don't need, it's already compressed. And then that can compress and decompress into all higher dimensions. And that's what the theorem is that I was just talking about. So I think what's happening is people are starting to realize that there's a geometry of spacetime, there's a geometry of time-space, there's a geometry of consciousness. And that that connection is what we've been concealing, whether consciously or unconsciously, from ourselves so that it can be found.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  Nothing's ever hidden so that it'll never be found.

• 56:30Mayim Bialik?

  Can you give us examples of where we see that? Let's say in Egypt.

• 56:36Speaker 00

  Absolutely. Well, you could find this on Gaia, on my TV show on Gaia, which is called Code X. And you've seen maybe the first and second season. And a lot of it is really centered around finding these encryptions that have been left through time by ancient polymaths and Renaissance period polymaths. Who, once you finally go to this stage of polymathy, what you're really doing is you're turning on the antenna through balance to get to absolute left and right brain hemisynchronization. Because what they realize is that the enlightenment is when you're able to balance your thinking so that you can live up to this axiom, which is when the heart thinks and the mind feels,

• 57:21Speaker 00

  that's when the river of wisdom flows. So that means that you start realizing, wait a minute, music is the geometry we're experiencing with our ears. And that means geometry is the music we're experiencing with our eyes. And the abstraction of both of those is just arithmetic and mathematics. And then I could ascribe that to, then that means that the geometry is determining also the periodic elements. It is. And that that geometry then extends to DNA, which is the foundational basis of biology. And it's a geometric structure of dodecahedra stacked on top of each other. But then there's also icosahedron with every dodecahedron, which means that there's more DNA strands than what we think about.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  And when you start realizing this, you start realizing, wait, this is a universe of awareness.

• 58:10Speaker 00

  And things start coming to your awareness when they come into your awareness. So when you change the way you see things, the things you see will change. And that's exactly what we're all going through right now. That's why everything seems so bizarre. Because we're all awakening up to the fact that we've been the creators all along. We just forgot. And now we're just remembering it's as if we're living in a movie that's playing backwards. And we've just been taught our whole lives that backwards is forwards. It's already been preset.

• 58:40Mayim Bialik?

  We're gonna hit another pause here because we've been using this word polymath to describe not only Sir Robert, but so many other famous and incredible minds in history. Jonathan, do you have any association to the word polymath? Like it's used colloquially, like, oh, they can do anything. They're a polymath.

• 58:58Speaker 00

  I actually hadn't heard of it until a couple of years ago when someone used it. I think it was Scott Barry Kaufman used it. And I was like, oh, what is that? And then I started looking into it and then I was like, I don't like it. It means too many things.

• 59:11Mayim Bialik?

  So a polymath is also called a polyhistor. I've never heard it called a polyhistor. It's someone who has knowledge that spans a variety of subjects. And these people are known to draw on very complex bodies of knowledge in order to look at specific problems. So even if the problem is very, very small, what are the larger patterns? And where can we see it in other arenas? So this is what Sir Robert kind of specializes in. And in particular, this sort of integration between the right and left hemispheres, right? As we kind of speak about it casually. You know, when you think of the Renaissance, you think of humanism, you know, that we are limitless in our capacity for development. The notion of a Renaissance man, right? Like this was like something to be a Renaissance person, as I call it.

• 59:56Mayim Bialik?

  Someone who is intellectual, social, you know, active, artistic, spiritual. That's someone who can kind of speak to all things. So that's typically what a polymath refers to. And that sort of is the framework that Robert is using for all of the things that we're talking about.

• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, the thing about polymaths is that like all disciplines are actually

• 1:00:19Jonathan Cohen?

  Usually versions of the same thing, looking at it from a different angle. So mathematics, geometry, I don't know any other disciplines.

• 1:00:27Mayim Bialik?

  Well, psychology, philosophy, the ideas that like, what are the big things? And so, one of the most famous polymaths, if not the most famous. And also, you know what? I remember learning about polymaths when I learned about like Benjamin Franklin. Cause I was like, he, I know he was like part of the, forgive me, this is not my specialties. Like, oh, he's part of the founding of like this constitution, blah, blah. But also.

• 1:00:49Jonathan Cohen?

  The light bulb.

• 1:00:50Mayim Bialik?

  The light bulb. And I remember being like.

• 1:00:52Jonathan Cohen?

  Invention.

• 1:00:53Mayim Bialik?

  No, but I remember being, as a kid, I remember being like, how could he do both those things? Cause when I was a kid, you picked one thing, you were miserable at it, and then you died. Like, that was your life. No, different story? Okay. But I remember thinking, how could he do all those things? And then, when I started learning about Thomas Jefferson.

• 1:01:11Jonathan Cohen?

  People think of that about you. How do you do all those things?

• 1:01:14Mayim Bialik?

  No, but, but, but these are people who, who were, you know, excelling and having patents and like, and like all these amazing things. This was the way a lot of people used to be, right? And so, the, one of the most famous, and what we're gonna let Sir Robert get into, cause this really is one of his specialties and one of the kind of amazing aspects of Code X. Leonardo da Vinci. What do you know about Leonardo da Vinci? It could be anything.

• 1:01:39Jonathan Cohen?

  The, the dude. The dude.

• 1:01:41Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, the Vitruvian man.

• 1:01:43Jonathan Cohen?

  Vitruvian man.

• 1:01:44Mayim Bialik?

  But also like the Mona Lisa.

• 1:01:45Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Mayim Bialik?

  Sistine Chapel.

• 1:01:47Jonathan Cohen?

  Pretty good.

• 1:01:48Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, he's, he's pretty good. He wrote backwards, did you know this?

• 1:01:53Jonathan Cohen?

  Just for fun?

• 1:01:53Mayim Bialik?

  He wrote in, he wrote in mirror. I mean, like the Codex episode about this is amazing. He, for some reason, they, they say it was like, he was writing secretly. I'm like, just hold up a mirror and then you can see it. He could freehand write in mirror, and he liked to.

• 1:02:11Jonathan Cohen?

  It's a weird skill for a first date.

• 1:02:15Mayim Bialik?

  He was an inventor. So he wasn't just an artist. I mean, like, one of the greatest artists arguably of this planet. He was an inventor, and he imagined things that didn't yet exist. He had fantastic drawings. He was also, you know, a classic, a classically-trained, beautiful master artist. But his inventions, his science, his geometry, his math, it was on par with his artistic talent. So there's a ton about Da Vinci's connection with Egypt. Never occurred to me that Leonardo da Vinci ever went to Egypt. Guess what? Robert's gonna fill us in about this, and if you want more about this 100%, you have to watch these episodes on Codex. Leonardo da Vinci's connection, not only to Egypt, but to the

• 1:03:00Mayim Bialik?

  proportions of the pyramids, the secrets that were hidden in the geometry of the pyramids, can be translated into the art of Da Vinci's time, and possibly truths that go back even thousands of years, possibly tens of thousands of years before the Egyptians. Cannot wait for you to hear this part of our conversation with Robert.

• 1:03:24Mayim Bialik?

  So what does that look like when we, you know, some of the, you know, incredible episodes that I enjoyed, you know, was looking at Leonardo da Vinci and a lot of his art, which like I'm putting it in quotations because we appreciate it on an aesthetic level. But you do this analysis that shows, you know, that underneath the art, there is a very specific, yeah, there's a geometry, and it relates in many cases to, you know, angles of the pyramids, like just things that I, like, did Da Vinci know that? Is this something that's just universal, and it's sort of in the ether? Or was that information that he was getting that he was communicating?

• 1:04:04Speaker 00

  I think he absolutely knew a very large percentage of it. What came out of this, I looked at the Vitruvian Man, it was the most famous, probably, illustration on planet Earth, right? The guy with his arms out, standing in a square and a circle, and... And I felt like there was something encrypted in it because first of all, you have to go back to the story of, and again, it can't be just the more reductionist you are in just one area, the more insular and the more nearsighted you become. And it actually atrophies your brain. So you don't get smarter, the more you study in one area.

• 1:04:42Mayim Bialik?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:43Speaker 00

  Okay, this is like a big, big aha.

• 1:04:45Mayim Bialik?

  You get more specific.

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  You get more specific, but you don't get smarter. And you don't get better at analyzing and understanding patterns. So because the patterns that you could start noticing are the ones that cross all of these disciplines. And so those are the people that actually are moving into higher awareness, not hyperreductionist that go into hyper specialization. Our entire, our entire educational system is upside down. It rewards hyper specialization, which makes society more stupid. And more insular and more volatile and, and more confrontational. Because then they become so recalcitrant in their own way of seeing the world that they

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  can't see it another way. And so you've basically pushed your brain into looking at one facet and calling that the fact for the world, when actually it's just a facet. And everyone's truth is subjective.

• 1:05:47Mayim Bialik?

  You know, I feel like I need to say one more thing about this. It's been pointed out to me, this notion of God in this sort of shape on the Sistine Chapel, you know, creating Adam and how it looks like a brain. And in the conversation that we had with him, it's not that, that he's trying to point out like God placed, you know, a brain on the Sistine Chapel, you know, ceiling so that we could have a brain. That's not what it's about. It's about that Leonardo da Vinci's intention. In his art was not just to be an artist. And I think that's sort of the message for all of us. You don't have to be one thing. You don't have to choose one way to look at the world. And even Da Vinci, in his artistic wisdom, said,

• 1:06:30Mayim Bialik?

  "This relates, and this is meaningful, when I think about the brain, when I think about the prefrontal cortex." Right? I don't know how much he knew about the prefrontal cortex. I'm sure I could look it up somewhere. But this notion that everything touches everything. This led us to a conversation about, you guessed it, AI. What does a polymath think about AI? How does someone with this vast amount of information communicate what a machine that has the ability to gather even more quantomly vast amounts of information? How does he see it? And the way he described it, and we'll let him explain it, is that it's the difference between a librarian and a researcher. We're going to let him explain the rest and how Architect AI is his attempt

• 1:07:14Mayim Bialik?

  to reconcile the worlds of the polymaths and AI as we know it.

• 1:07:20Speaker 00

  So I think our entire educational system is completely upside down and completely wrong in the way that it's done. Waldorf schools is probably the best example of how it could be repaired. If you're thinking about where to send your kids to school, I would send them to Waldorf schools or I would home teach. Because this is, the education system that kids get in universities today is really, really substandard. Because they're not being taught how to think. They're being taught, like, some rope memorization thing of some narrative. It's not actually how to think to derive your own answers.

• 1:07:54Jonathan Cohen?

  Or even to spot the patterns.

• 1:07:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, it's like, we're taught, in a way, you know, I was asked to make a comparison between like, AI that really thinks versus AI that is just finding a reference somewhere. Right? So it's the difference between a librarian and a true researcher. Right? A true researcher has to apply his or her thinking to figure out answers to big, big problems. But a lot of what LLMs are, which is large language models and AI, is literally just a giant librarian that can go and search, but it can't use that searched wisdom or knowledge to apply it to any concept of wisdom in the context of its thinking. So it can't come up with hypotheses.

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  It can't come up with like higher order thought in the same ways. Now, you can try to work around that by coming up with, you know, what we call knowledge graphs in AI, or you can try to come up with it through something called symbolic reasoning graphs as well, that you can apply to it at a higher level of cognition. But as a standard LLM, you're basically dealing with a librarian. They haven't necessarily read the book, but they know where to find the book. Right? The difference is how do we educate people to the point where they can think with these references, rather than be able to find those references?

• 1:09:25Mayim Bialik?

  We're going to hit pause here on our conversation with Sir Robert Edward Grant. There is so much more in part two that you do not want to miss. Was Leonardo da Vinci Pythagoras reincarnated? Is the infrasonic range actually the place where information resides in the Akashic field? Robert's also going to talk about how hating other people actually isn't what we should be worried about. It's us hating ourselves that actually needs the most love and attention. He's going to talk about the legacy that he plans to leave, and we're going to get really personal in part two, so make sure to tune in to part two of our conversation. Also, you'll learn about the significance of the number 137 in a way that you never

• 1:10:10Mayim Bialik?

  thought you would. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.