The Snack: You Can See Everything, Love is Blind, and Press Secretary Picks

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: Katie Zacharia’s record-breaking press secretary stint White House walking back execution live stream Val Chmerkovskiy suspended from Dancing With the Stars TV news and reviews: Girls reboot (!!!), Love is Blind Boston (with doppelgangers), Nobody Wants This Rayna reviews the You Can See Everything documentary Headlines: Jalen Hurts out for the season, NYC horse carriages are over, Plaza Hotel closing, Jay-Z at the Super Bowl, and Giggly Squad at MSG Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Revolve: Get 15% off your first order at https://revolve.com/gge with code GGE. Noom: Start a GLP-1 program for $39 and have it delivered in as little as 7 days at https://noom.com. Instant Hydration: Get 40% off your first subscription order at https://instanthydration.com/gge with code GGE. Columbia: Get your hands on an Amaze Puff Jacket at https://columbia.com. NOCD: If you’re struggling with OCD book a free 15-minute call at https://nocd.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Rayna Greenberg?

  This week on the snack, Love is Blind Boston, government fails, and you can see everything.

• 0:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Enjoy.

• 0:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys. I am coming in for my new house, so moving report, I moved in. I will talk about it on the episode on November 2nd, and it is a wild journey.

• 0:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I think about it every day.

• 0:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, you guys still don't know what I went through. I'm still processing the trauma, but we're in and we love the house, but some shit went down and I'm going to share, I'm going to share as much as I feel comfortable legally. There's two kind of separate parts of the story, but I'm going to share on the second. And so this is like, will be my office, it's not set up yet, there's nothing on the walls, I'm really sorry, but you know, the lighting is good. And I just wanted to give one more quick update on the dog fostering journey of mine that Zizu, our first foster, has been adopted.

• 1:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, cutie.

• 1:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, they sent me this text yesterday with like him and his new dad. I was like sobbing and then Cody, of course, has been adopted and then we're still waiting on Gumball, so those are the three fosters that we've had. So we're two for three. I like lost it right now for Zizu, like our first one, and we were worried he wasn't going to get adopted because he's older and it just, oh my God, it was just like, it was a really joyful moment.

• 1:23Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys are really doing the Lord's work. I wonder if any of our girlies adopted them. If anybody like found them through your Instagram, I want to hear from them.

• 1:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. I mean, I don't, the older couple that adopted Cody, probably not. I mean, who's to say, but regardless, I think that we're helping and like amplifying them. We're taking a lot of the photos that they post for them.

• 1:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, you know, we, we're helping, we're doing our part. So Gumball is still out there.

• 1:49Rayna Greenberg?

  My update is, so I will be in LA next week. We will not have an episode on Monday. We have like a very, very busy couple of days coming up, but my house sold, so I, I have not been able to say it out loud until like the million pieces of paperwork were signed. So I am flying to LA. I have junk removal coming, I have movers coming, cleaners, all these things, but I have finally sold the house. So we will be together, which I'm really excited about.

• 2:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 2:13Rayna Greenberg?

  No episode on Monday, but this, we'll have another episode next Thursday. So I'm coming out there and I'm excited. We'll make videos of everything, of Ashley's new house and me moving out of my house and all of that for you guys.

• 2:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's so funny. Like is it weirdly aligned in the, in the worst way that you're going to be fully gone and I'm, I'm taking your patio furniture, so you know, I'll have a little concern.

• 2:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God, I'm so glad you told me that. I was going to have junk removal come to do that. Okay, I'm so glad you told me this.

• 2:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  You bitch, you know, I was over there with the tape measure. You knew we were taking that furniture.

• 2:44Rayna Greenberg?

  I wasn't sure. I'm so glad it's going to go to a good home. Yay.

• 2:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, yeah, okay, we'll figure it out.

• 2:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, all right, we'll thank our partners and you know, just follow along on our journey, you know, Ash Hess and Rayna Greenberg. All right, thank you to Revolve. Get 15% off your first order at revolve.com/gge with code GGE and Noom. Start a GLP-1 program for $39 and have it delivered in as little as seven days at noom.com. And Instant Hydration, get 40% off your first subscription order at instanthydration.com/gge with code GGE.

• 3:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to Columbia. Get your hands on an Amaze Puff Jacket at columbia.com. And NoCD, if you're struggling with OCD, book a free 15-minute call at nocd.com. Okay, we are going to kick it off with a walk that shit back report, Raina, is that correct? Is that what you wanted to call it?

• 3:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I was so delirious on the plane yesterday, but I was like, oh, she nailed it.

• 3:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God. Okay, so this is something you came up with when your brain was not your own and we're going to go with it. All right, guys, here's the walk that shit back report from Raina on no sleep on international flight.

• 3:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my, I was so fucked up. This is also brought to you by our government, obviously.

• 3:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Most of it, most of it.

• 3:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Last week, Katie Zachariah was named press secretary. She was brought in to replace the former press secretary and she was ousted after five days. She had one of the most fascinating first days at work I've ever seen in my life. I mean, I know the public speaking, really, it's probably most people's biggest fear. It's bigger than dying, but if that is the job you are hired for, like, no one comes to see me do stand-up, you do stand-up and it's like, stand-up's hard. They're like, well, that is the job.

• 4:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  You have one job. So I saw her and immediately I was like, Trump hired her because she's his type. She's hot, she's his exact physical type. Like I heard Caitlin Collins talking about that he hired her because of this and that, and I trusted in Caitlin, but no, he hired her because he wants to fuck her. Like she's a hotter Ivanka, you know, like he hired her because she was hot and she's been on Fox News, like she's claimed to be a lawyer, attorney, which has since come out, she's not technically, she didn't pass the bar. So that's like one part, I guess, of why they sort of also had to technically get rid of her. Also, she had poor ratings, also she bombed. But I mean, I don't know what their exact reasoning is, but I mean, she's not a lawyer, she's been saying she is. I'm more of a lawyer than her right now.

• 5:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel like I speak much more eloquently and I'm better informed and much better spoken as an attorney than she is. But Raina, her first press conference, I mean, you guys have seen it, it was last week, right after we recorded, we don't really need to like totally rehash it, but the way she starts and she goes, "Good morning," sounded so much like me and my mom. Like it was literally, I felt it because I was like, wait, that's how I say good morning. Like that's how me and Cindy Hassel type, "Good morning." The way she said it, it was so me-coded and then she was fighting for her life and she kept taking these big sighs, like after she stumbled through a sentence, she would be like, and it just felt relatable, like she was fighting for her life up there.

• 5:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley was like, leave Katie alone, leave Brittany alone.

• 5:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I loved every second. I was like, this is the first and last time she's ever going to do this, but I have been entertained.

• 5:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I am actually sad, listen, he took her out of there not because she didn't pass the bar, which she clearly didn't, but like you could have, you could have won Google search, knowing that she didn't pass the bar outside of China, but like I was kind of hoping he'd leave her in there for a little bit longer. It was so funny, like he took her out of there because she embarrassed him. Say what you about Caroline Levitt, but she, she's psycho, she's good at that job. She is great at that job. She's not somebody that I think is a good person or should have that job, but she is good at that job. This girl, man, we were robbed of some really great comedic moments. They yanked her so quick and I'm sad about it.

• 6:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm sad about it and you know, I don't want to get too deep with it, famous last words. I just have mixed feelings on the way they set women up to fail with this administration. Like they just put them in front of the public and then discard them. And again, the women who carry water for the patriarchy should be the first to drown and like you are acting against your own best interest and in the best interest of all women, so like this is what you get. But like, I just hate the message it sends that women can't do their job when these men are still employed. Like Cash Patel and Pete Ex that still have their jobs and the women all have to go. So I just wanted to say that, but yes, it was funny. I loved all these memes, like I've had leftovers in the fridge longer than Katie Zacharia's press secretary. I've had someone message me, Raina, and the way, I don't know what she was referring

• 7:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  to, maybe my incident that happened in, in college, but she said, maybe too soon, but I've had a tampon in longer than Katie Zacharia's press secretary.

• 7:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley always finds a way to tell me that story every couple of months that she had a tampon in for days. Every couple of months, she's like, remember that time? Yeah, I remember, it burned into my brain.

• 7:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I need to circle back to the girl that DM'd me, which did she mean too soon? Because this happened when I was 19 or too soon because of Katie? It was like very funny regardless.

• 7:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Because the tampon wasn't longer than that?

• 7:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mine was, I've waited for a text back longer than Katie was press secretary. I just really love those and yeah, I wanted to see more, but I wanted to ask you who you think should be next, because as we record, they have not selected another press secretary. So I have three picks and I want to hear yours, so I'm happy to start.

• 8:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, did you pick real picks or did you pick like fantasy picks? Mine are fantasy picks. You picked people that could actually qualify for the job?

• 8:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Who, what qualifications are needed?

• 8:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Great point.

• 8:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  What are you talking about? Anybody could do this job.

• 8:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so I picked who I would be most entertained by. I picked who I thought Trump would pick because they would be good at it. And then I have like my top tier, number one, like me in the middle pick. So who I would enjoy just like dealing with all these people, DJing all this, Andy Cohen and Kris Jenner.

• 8:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I don't want them in the Trump administration, but okay.

• 8:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Exactly. That's just who I personally would like to watch, who I think the Trump administration would pick is a toss-up between Anna Delvey.

• 8:50Rayna Greenberg?

  She can't give a straight answer. I mean, she is Caroline Levitt.

• 8:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can now, I can show you mine. Okay, okay.

• 8:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Anna Delvey, Elizabeth Holmes.

• 8:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 8:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Also can't give a straight answer. And Bethany Frankel, just the number one gaslighter on the internet.

• 9:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bethany is so good.

• 9:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I know, I know. And here's where I think they all converged for me, who I think would do a great job, but take it really seriously, but I'd be entertained by it, is Martha Stewart.

• 9:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I just think she'd like, take no shit.

• 9:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, yeah.

• 9:20Rayna Greenberg?

  And I don't think that she would work for Donald Trump. I do obviously say that.

• 9:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so on the note of a Bethany style, this is who I think would absolutely crush it. Hot blonde, lying ass, gaslighting bitch, Christine Quinn from Selling Sunset.

• 9:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh my God. Oh my, she would be so good.

• 9:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  So good, so good. Caroline Levitt could never. The look, the vibes, the lying, the gaslighting, the poise.

• 9:52Rayna Greenberg?

  What would she show up in for work every day?

• 9:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my God, the outfits. Okay, so I actually don't want her to, because she'd be too good. So we, but like, that would be the person who would crush it the most. I mean, Caitlin Upton, who was Miss South Carolina Teen USA 2007, who people were comparing Katie Zacharia to, they thought that's who it was. If you guys remember, the question was, recent polls have shown a fifth of Americans can't locate the US on a world map. Why do you think that is? I remember watching this live in 2007. She responded, I personally believe the US Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps. And I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, our education over here in the US should help the US or should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries. So we will be able to build up our future for our children.

• 10:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, to read the transcript, what a rush.

• 10:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then lastly,

• 10:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  lastly is Susan Dell, because I want to see that robot work malfunction up there on the podium. So those are my picks.

• 11:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Honestly, and like, anything could happen, because if they are willing to put Katie Zacharia in there in this position, they are willing to do anything. The limit does actually not exist.

• 11:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent.

• 11:12Rayna Greenberg?

  So Anna Delvey actually might have this job next week. They might pardon Elizabeth Holmes, just to give her the job.

• 11:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hear me out, Christine Quinn.

• 11:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I love it. Okay, moving along to the next government fail, Trump calls off the livestream of the Fort Hood attackers execution by firing squad. So Pete Hegseth has been threatening to livestream the execution of this prisoner. Trump, I don't know after how many days, finally walked this back and said, many very good, very wonderful, very amazing people would not want to watch this. So we're gonna not do this.

• 11:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, there was backlash on both sides, of course. It's not Call of Duty, you absolute freak, Pete Hegseth. But yet he keeps his job, treats the country like it's his like war fantasy video game. We're gonna livestream public execution like we're Iran, or then there's like three countries, Afghanistan, there's like three countries that, that do this. And everybody was like, absolutely fucking not. So yeah, anyway, I mean, that was a rough couple of weeks when that was on the table.

• 12:09Rayna Greenberg?

  There's FCC laws about what you can and cannot put on television. So I don't know how they thought they were gonna get around these FCC laws. I don't know where they were gonna stream this. Like, were they gonna stream it on the Pentagon's website? Was it gonna be like, um, was Charlie Kirk's?

• 12:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Trump also has his own TV thing now. I mean, yeah, it wasn't gonna air on ABC right now, but I mean, I think they were gonna figure out a way to do it. I mean, the dark web, I don't know. I don't.

• 12:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know.

• 12:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was never gonna happen. So I mean, I feel like, almost like embarrassed I even got riled up about it. But I mean, also, anything is possible with this administration. So.

• 12:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, but you never know. And I feel like they use the FCC like to their own benefit. And it's like, who's to say what's legal and what's not? Like Jimmy Kimmel is gonna be like taken off air for saying certain things about the Trump administration, but Shane Gillis can call women whores. And yes, we can also murder women on TV.

• 13:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but it was never gonna be on a TV network.

• 13:03Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, where were they gonna, like?

• 13:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Kimmel, they couldn't air an interview on Kimmel they put on YouTube. Like, the internet has different roles. Like, it was never gonna air on TV.

• 13:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Like Turning Point USA was gonna put it on their website.

• 13:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Something. They were, it was never gonna be on TV.

• 13:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, you don't know. I don't know. Who's to say?

• 13:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, speaking of what is actually on network TV is Dance with the Stars. And I've watched it on and off. This has been really spicy season. Like, there's just a lot of shade. I watch these recaps after the episodes on TikTok. And I mean, you know, I feel like I stopped watching when Ciara got eliminated. I was so fucking pissed about it. And I talked to her last week about it. I saw her at this party, which I'll talk about the party, but I just, I couldn't help myself. I was like, Ciara, I gotta tell you, I was just so fucking furious. And we kind of got to talking about, you know, the politics of everything. And so, you know, after that, I was just like, I'm just kind of out. Because she was doing so great. She was improving week after week. She was like, really starting to come into her own and have fun. And she got eliminated and there's just like mediocre white men that are still on the show, or at least were on the show after that.

• 14:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  So it's just been a spicy season, lots of controversy. And the latest is that Val, the, uh, one of the pros, who is dancing with Jenna Dewan.

• 14:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, she's dancing with Jenna Dewan.

• 14:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  His wife is also a pro. She's Jenna Johnson. She's dancing with Harry Shum Jr. So Carrie Ann Anaba really criticized Jenna's, Jenna and Harry's dance. And then Val, being her husband, went on TikTok and posted a mirror selfie overlaid with a text that said, "You almost saw Fresh Prince enter the ballroom last night," alluding to the slap, because Will Smith slapped Chris Rock over what he said about his wife. And Carrie Ann, I guess, posted it and was like, this is what we're doing now. And so they suspended him for a week.

• 15:01Rayna Greenberg?

  So he says that what he meant was the like, take my wife name out of your mouth thing. And it's like, I mean, I guess that's a, it could be the truth. It could also just be a convenient excuse. I think the thing that we all remember from that moment is the physical violence and secondarily, the take my wife's name out of your mouth.

• 15:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm so with you. I, I don't think he was like, I'm gonna slap Carrie Ann. You know, I think he knows better. But I also think if he would have just posted a meme that said, keep my, keep my wife's name out of your mouth, this may not have gone this way. Because then I don't think people would have made the jump to like, oh, also the slap. Like, that is a quote that can stand alone and doesn't have to reference the slap. But instead, he left an open interpretation. And to your point, when you hear that and you hear, I'm gonna go Fresh Prince on you, or I'm gonna go Will Smith on you, you think slap. So it's like, I think he should have realized what people would take away from that. That's just my take.

• 15:58Rayna Greenberg?

  It's interesting that you have these pros that are married. And like, you would just think by the nature of the competition, you are sort of used to watching people say things about your partner and their creative abilities. I mean, unfortunately, in any creative industry, you are open to feedback, especially in competitive shows. That is just the nature of what you've signed up for. So it was sort of surprising to hear him say anything.

• 16:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. Maybe just keep Will Smith's name out of your mouth, everybody. You might get suspended from your own show. And then he had to walk it back. He had to issue an apology and was like, of course, I didn't mean, I don't remember what the apology said, I don't care. But he issued an apology, he walked it back, and that concludes our Walk That Shit Back Report.

• 16:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, well, we have huge news coming up. But first, we're just gonna take a quick little break to thank our partners. I am telling you about Instant Hydration. So whether you are working out, or you're like me and you don't work out, you just, you know, you spend time outdoors and traveling, and you're just trying to like, feel your best, hydration matters. And I am somebody who gets no hydration. Everybody has made fun of me my whole life about the lack of water that I take in. So it's, Instant Hydration is exactly what I need. It is a premium electrolyte drink mix designed to support hydration, energy, recovery, focus, and overall performance without sugar or unnecessary additives. And especially with the amount that Ashley and I travel, I just feel really like rundown all the time.

• 17:19Rayna Greenberg?

  With like, planes and Ubers and airports and hotels. And so it is nice to have something that just like lifts me up. And I love the taste of it. The biggest differentiator is that Instant Hydration uses authentic French gray salt imported from France. So it's fancy.

• 17:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is the thing, like the salt is like what you need to get back to feeling good.

• 17:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, and it doesn't taste salty. The flavors are really refreshing. They're fantastic. There's a smooth taste. It's an easy habit day to day. And it contains zero sugar, no glucose spike, no sugar crash. It is just sort of science made simple. So it supports hydration, mental function, supports cellular energy. And again, it is just something really easy to work into your day to day routine. They have these little packs. I have like a box of them in my cabinet. You can just grab one, put it in water in the morning. And for a better way to stay hydrated, go to instanthydration.com/gge and use our promo code GGE for over 40% off your first subscription order. It's Instant Hydration's best offer available. That's instanthydration.com/gge, promo code GG.

• 18:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, and Columbia, I'm telling you guys about the Amaze Puff. If you are on the hunt for the perfect puffer jacket this winter, we got you. Because puffers can be in like two categories. They're like cute, but they're not the warmth, the function, the performance, they're kind of useless. Or you look like, I don't know, you look like you're hibernating for the winter. You know, like it's that huge. You feel like a, like giant puffy bear. So we really love the Amaze Puff. We both have the long ones. They come in three lengths, short, mid- And long, I have talked about this before that last year on the coldest days of the year, like it was a blizzard, we went to an Eagles game and I wore my Amaze Puff. I have the long one in the dark stone, kind of like on ivory off-white color and I kept felt so warm. I just felt like I

• 19:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  was all cozied up in a sleeping bag all day and I also felt really cute. So this year I had mentioned, I want to get the Sedona Sage jacket, a little more Eagles green color for the game we go to this winter. The other new colors this year, there's this mineral pink. I'm obsessed with this really light pink and then the navy as well, but you can also get black. Raina has it in black and a really beautiful brown tobacco color and they're incredible. They're going to keep you so warm. They have that really elevated look, but of course the performance that you're going to get from Columbia, there's the thumb holes and the pockets and everything. They're a little oversized. If you want to size up, you can wear your sweaters underneath them or size down if you want a more snug fit, but they're really going to be great. No matter what you want to do with it, 650 filled down insulation, which is the same warmth and more as the overpriced ones.

• 19:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're a great price and we are just really so obsessed with them. This is going to be the puffer you need for the winter. Check out the colors, check out the lengths, see what works for you and thank us later. So you can visit Columbia.com to get your hands on an Amaze Puff jacket. It's tough on cold, soft on you.

• 20:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. And if you guys are curious about GLP ones and I was and I have been on them before, I'm going to suggest Noom, which is a leading behavioral change company and they believe that losing weight is only half the battle. So if you're interested in GLP ones, but you're like, okay, if I start this and I want to lose weight, what does the rest of my life look like? So how do I change my habits so that someday I don't have to be on these medications and I can eat healthier, I can exercise and make good decisions for myself? Noom is a fantastic way to do it. They're a behavioral change company and they believe that half the battle is taking off the weight and the other half is figuring out, how do I sustain this? So how do I understand and manage food noise? How do I make more intentional food and exercise choices and stay consistent?

• 20:45Rayna Greenberg?

  So their, first of all, when you sign up, their app is fantastic. They're going to give you all these suggestions for what foods to buy. They're going to give you daily lessons. There's food logging. They're going to explain behavioral changes to you and help you create a weight loss plan and expert coaching that is right for you. And again, sustainable. My own personal experience with GLP ones, having been on them, I liked them. I had a really positive experience, but I, I still want to feel hungry. I want to be food motivated. I want to take trips and enjoy going out to eat and you know, figure out what dosage is right for you and also how you can sustain this in the long run is really important to me. So they have programs that are designed to maximize your success with GLP ones will help you develop sustainable habits to live better. So you can check them out. Their app is fantastic. Again, the Noom GLP one program starts at $39

• 21:28Rayna Greenberg?

  and is delivered to your door in as little as seven days. Start your GLP one journey today at Noom.com. That's N-O-O-M.com. Noom, lose weight for keeps. Initial one month subscription from $39 plus tax and $99 plus tax per month thereafter. Cost of medication not included. Final pricing depends upon program selection.

• 21:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, TV movie news coming in hot.

• 21:49Rayna Greenberg?

  So much stuff going on. Okay. So right after we recorded last week, Lena Dunham announced that they are rebooting Girls for five episodes next summer and the original cast is coming back. All the girls and Elijah are coming back. They announced this with this great video where they're on a Zoom and they kind of like reprised their roles for the Zoom, which I thought was like just comedically really brilliant. And I was reading Lena Dunham's Substack about this and she was just saying like, you know, when I started this show as 23 years old, I didn't know like where I would end up and culturally what this show would mean. And now we're in our 40s and it's like, where do these people end up? And I want to tell that story. And I'm just so excited to see who

• 22:30Rayna Greenberg?

  they are now. And that show was just, it's one of my favorite shows of all time. I think that the dialogue is so smart. It's how people actually talk. I think it's so comedically brilliant. And there's little pieces of each character that we all relate to and there's lots of pieces of every character that we're all like, that's not me. Uh-uh, no. And I am just really excited to see where these people ended up. And they have not announced that any of the other male characters will be coming back. So the people who played Ray and Desi and Adam and Charlie, none of them have been, have been announced to be coming back. And I for one, don't care. The show is called Girls.

• 23:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. Oh, I'm with you 100%. But Desi, that's my favorite guy from The Bear, my favorite actor.

• 23:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I think he's the least likely to come back because he was like-

• 23:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Adam Driver?

• 23:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I mean, as a char- I meant as a character and not as an actor.

• 23:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally, totally. Okay. I am so excited. I could have watched that Zoom call all day on repeat. Give us the whole call. I love the way they announced this. I can't wait. I mean, even you just talking about it just now got me so excited to see where these women are. Like you said, in their 40s, I believe, right? Is how old they would be. And I just think we're all a little traumatized from And Just Like That. So I know that Lena will not do us wrong. I trust in Lena. I trust that it will be great. But I think we're all just like, but remember, remember what they did to us with Sex and the City. Uh, so I'm sure it will be better and different. And again, limited, five episodes. I'm sure they'll just put their whole pussies into it and it's

• 24:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  going to be wonderful. But on that note, Raina, I just saw, I saw like a collection of memes and one said that they were bringing Che Diaz onto the Girls reboot as a podcaster and I believed it for a second. And then I realized the whole character was like fake fantasy, but like Che Diaz on the Girls reboot, like the ultimate trolling. I like really got to kick out of it.

• 24:23Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, we never know because yeah, that was so devastating, like what they did to that show and they took these characters and they made them so uncool, un with the times, so backwards in like every way. And it's like, you took all these characters that we loved and you like made them terrible and dialogue that's not believable and characters that aren't believable.

• 24:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And it's just like, it could, it's, you want to say it could never happen to girls because of Lena and the people who she surrounds herself with to write and all of that. But I would have never thought it could happen to Sex and the City either. I truly think it's going to be great. It is certainly not going to be an And Just Like That situation and they're younger and all the factors, but it's crazy because I would have never thought that about Sex and the City. I would have never thought it could like go that route, but Girls is also edgier and just different. And so I don't think we're going to have that happen. But you know, there's still a little part of us, it's just like, we're not over that trauma yet.

• 25:19Rayna Greenberg?

  No, and I won't be over the trauma until the show comes out. Uh, and I actually don't know how many people were connected to And Just Like That that were connected to Sex and the City. Was it all the same producers?

• 25:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, there was certainly different people and there was a bigger gap between and you know, there's a bunch of different factors. I really don't anticipate that happening, but you know, we'll see. And I think it's going to be great.

• 25:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And Judd Apatow has signed on to produce as well.

• 25:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 25:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And Jenny Connor has not been announced, but if you read Lena Dunham's book, they don't have a relationship anymore. Also, her and Adam Driver don't have a relationship. So I don't expect either of them to be back. But I love these characters. I'm excited to see like what their political affiliations are. Like I'm just not sure about any of them, you know? How do they dress? Did they get married? Do they have kids? Like I just can't wait to see these roles reprised. So, um, stay tuned. We'll try to get her on the show and see how, we'll try to get her on the show.

• 26:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I saw Jenny Connor last week at the Nobody Wants This party, which I will talk about as I keep teasing it. Okay. And so next, Love is Blind, season 11, Boston. As someone who married a Boston guy and someone who loves Boston, both of us, we wanted to root for this so much. And also I will say, Shoshank is not your typical Boston guy. This isn't my special. Don't make me do the whole bit, but he's not your typical Boston guy, even though he spent most of his life there. Um, but I feel like these guys weren't all typical Boston guys either. They were the tallest guys in Boston. They found some tall dudes for the show. But I mean, I'm excited to hear what you think and we are going to do the doppelgangers, but the guys were a tough

• 26:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  watch on this season. And that's not specific to Boston. That feels like every American city, because I don't really think the UK feels like this on Love is Blind lately. And we've said this once and we'll say it again, it's just not a good time to have men being themselves on TV. Like they're ruining it. Like specifically men who have the time and desire to be on reality TV in the first place, that doesn't apply to women. It's weird. And I just think we need to have a break from having men on reality TV till we fix them.

• 27:28Rayna Greenberg?

  No, let's take all of their microphones. Like mention a podcast either. Like let's just take all the microphones away.

• 27:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Thank you. Like they're ruining it. Like they can still act, I guess. We do need them to act and stuff, but like they need to not be doing reality. And I hate to say it because I want to watch these shows, but it's not a good look. Maybe everything moves to the UK or like other countries, but like American men on dating reality shows are ruining it. And we've got to fix this and take a break and figure ourselves out.

• 28:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Male comedians. I mean, any man that wants a microphone in their hand or a lapel mic. If you're thinking of clipping a lapel mic onto a man, just, you know, walk away.

• 28:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you're holding a mini mic.

• 28:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Put it in a glass of water.

• 28:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  There is men on this season who are so unserious, so broke, have never been in a relationship, who think my body, my choice, but not her body, her choice. Where did they find these guys? Raina, I'm so mad. This was the only season where I did not cry once at any proposal, at any relationship, and I don't think any of them are getting married.

• 28:34Rayna Greenberg?

  So I feel like I, this is the season you and I have looked forward to the most in 11 years. Like I have been white knuckling it from Boston up in-

• 28:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not eleven, six years.

• 28:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Eleven seasons. This is the one I've wanted the most. I'm like, this season is gonna slap so hard. These are East Coasters. They're my people. Like, Boston people are our people. I really, I mean, I felt this last season also. I've been disappointed by the things that they're allowing men to say on this show. And it's like, it feels so red pill, like MAGA men to me. Like, you have these women that are entrepreneurs, they're self-made, they're nurses, they work in fashion and tech, et cetera. And you have these men saying the craziest stuff to them. I mean, one man was talking to one woman, and she's talking about her career, and she's built this business, and she's so proud of herself. And he's like, oh, you wouldn't put that above family, right? And she starts, like, walking it back. And I hated the response. You have

• 29:32Rayna Greenberg?

  this guy who's like, an anti-vaxxer, who's touting, like, pro-life agendas, about how women get abortions at six months. Yes, you have this guy who lives on a boat, who is just like, you should quit your job and come with me. And she's like, yeah, no, totally. I mean, I just-

• 29:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have a mortgage and two cars. No, but yeah.

• 29:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, I just was so disappointed by the quality of these people. And it feels so unserious. Like, there wasn't one person that agreed to marry another person that felt like, we're so in love. It just feels like, let's agree to go to the next step and keep filming. That's all it feels like to me anymore.

• 30:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  For the first time.

• 30:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 30:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, as much as I've had hate for a lot of the men in past seasons, this really is the first time where it's like, none of these couples feel like it. And I really liked a lot of the women. I loved Sarah, and the way she spoke about our healthcare system. And then she picked this, like, pro-life, Christian guy who flexes in bed. Like, it was just such a bummer. Like, I thought she was the coolest one. I don't know what happened there. And she shows this fucking weirdo. And, you know, I liked a lot of the girls. Even Benita, I mean, I know she was crazy, but I had a soft spot for her. Whatever she's doing comes from somewhere. And I was like, I can't stand her. And then I was like, I just feel for her. She's desperate for love and validation, and she's going about it the wrong way, and

• 30:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  she's been through a lot. And I just, you know, I always feel like this with the women. And that I'm just like, these men, we're doing these women a disservice in so many of these shows.

• 31:00Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to say something about Sarah and Benita, and then the shows in general. Sarah, I just was so impressed by how eloquently she chose to spoke about, um, women having abortions, and our healthcare system, and vaccines. And I thought she was really measured and eloquent. She still picked that guy, but I have faith in her that she's gonna not be with him. Benita, I think, was actually cast for another show, and they were like, this is not spicy enough. I think that she actually was supposed to be on Too Hot to Handle, or like, literally, any other reality show. And they were like, no one's bringing the spice this season. We need that one crazy person. And they were just like, toss her in there.

• 31:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yep, you're right. So she was not cast for the right show. That is so, so accurate.

• 31:43Rayna Greenberg?

  She wasn't supposed to be there. But in general, I don't know, it's not that I want to, I'm disappointed in these women, because I love women and I support them. But like, so many of these women were really impressive and smart, and like, entrepreneurs and had great jobs. And they chose these men that, to your, like you said, have never been in relationships, live on a boat, anti-vaxxers, people that don't believe in science. Like, these women are not gonna end up with these men. But I don't even like the implication that they would pick them even to film with. Because it's just like, you, I would rather be alone for the rest of my life than half of this bullshit.

• 32:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I totally agree. Some things that stuck out to me, the amount they all shared with each other was crazy. And maybe they do that, and they just don't always show it. So maybe this was an editing choice. Like, the girls and the guys amongst each other, sharing about who they were dating, and then also in the pods, it just felt like more sharing than normal, or at least what they showed. This was the most where I felt like the guy seemed unsure, like, weighing their options. And of course, you know, I think this, the premise of this show, which is my favorite show, is fucking stupid. And you don't know how you feel about somebody you've never seen in person. You guys know how I feel. It's absolutely ridiculous. You're gonna propose to them after 10 days, you've never seen what they look like, how they walk, how they carry themselves. You know, I think it's ridiculous. But they just felt more open about their non-committalness. And the

• 32:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  last thing I will say, Jax and Stu were truly the wildest couple I've ever seen on this show. Their conversations, the proposals, were so insane. And she left right after she met him in person. And Raina, what did she think he was gonna look like? He looked exactly like he sounded in the pods. That man couldn't have looked more like what I thought he was gonna look like. Like, she had a bad read on him. If she thought JFK Junior was coming out of the pods. Like, he looked exactly the way you would think. I am shocked.

• 33:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't understand, because she, both of them were fishing with the pole, and they got the fish I would expect to be on that pole. They were both fishing with dynamite for exactly who they ended up with. Like, she is exactly the kind of person that would just take one look at somebody and be like, I'm out.

• 33:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 33:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, immediately. And he is exactly the kind of person that would immediately start talking about how much money he has, and how many homes he has, and pick somebody that would have those type of values. That was, that was gonna take one look at him and leave. But also, he is an objectively good-looking man, no? Am I crazy?

• 34:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, yeah, not to her. That's what I'm saying. Like, he, I can't stand the guy, but he wasn't ugly? Like, what did she think? So she thought, she thought some guy was coming in there, as rich as she thought he was, and a 10 in looks, and he's going on Love is Blind? Like, that would be so for real. Like, he was pretty attractive for the way he spoke, which was terrible.

• 34:36Rayna Greenberg?

  That guy just needs a little facial hair. And I don't understand why he was on that show, to be honest. You have all this money, and you're tall, and his hands are gigantic. I couldn't take my eyes off of him.

• 34:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, geez, okay. Well, some people were saying that he was blind. Like, I got a lot of tea this season. Maybe we'll do what we can share next week, because this is a lot. And we're gonna do the doppelgangers. But like, we got an email about a girl who went through the whole casting process. She was like, I signed an NDA, but I don't care. I'm gonna tell you guys. I got a DM from a girl who dated both Rob and Maury, and was like, yeah, they're both fuckboys, like you would expect. Like, I've gotten so much tea, because it's a Boston girl. He's, you know, those are my people. So, um-

• 35:11Rayna Greenberg?

  I am sad we didn't get more of Maury. I just really enjoyed watching him. People were like, oh, the Taylor Swift stuff was performing. I don't care. I think he's like harmless. I just, I enjoyed watching him. Yeah, he was like, actually a fun watch. I thought, I thought if he ended up with Bettina, it would have been really fun to watch.

• 35:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 35:31Rayna Greenberg?

  And then, you know that one, like, redneck guy? He says something like terrible, and then you never see him again. He ended up engaged to a girl that you see quite a bit in the pods. She's really beautiful. You don't ever see her on a single date. She ended up engaged to him. And then you never see them again. There's another couple that also ended up together. I think they're Indian. It is, every season, there's people that, like, get engaged that don't make it to the show.

• 35:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally. Yeah, like, a lot, sometimes.

• 35:57Rayna Greenberg?

  This was the most, I was actually watching it going, like, these are, the doppelgangers, some of them are so spot on to me.

• 36:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. So I've been doing this for years, if you guys are new around here. And I felt like I really had a talent for it early on. And now, just like, so many people are doing it, and people will message me about them. So I'm gonna give credit for the ones I didn't come up with myself. And Shashank, you know, helps me too. But, so, without further ado, it is time for Your Love is Blind, season 11, Boston doppelgangers. Right out of the gate, Blake West Wilson, uncanny.

• 36:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I've never seen two people look so much alike since Theo James and Nick Viall. That, I've never in my life.

• 36:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Also, that Montana boy. The, like, middle one.

• 36:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Montana boy, yes.

• 36:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not the one that dated Kristin Cavallari, the, like, second hottest one?

• 36:43Rayna Greenberg?

  The one that's dating Miranda from Serial Lives of Mormon Wives.

• 36:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, okay. Erica, I got a little Jessica Simpson from Erica. And also Christina Baranski, who is this actress, someone sent me this in my DMs. She's in The Good Wife, she's in Big Bang Theory. When you see it, you'll know.

• 36:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm surprised that you did not pick your cousin Lindsay and Madison Lacroix.

• 37:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Madison, that's not bad.

• 37:05Rayna Greenberg?

  This is the last one that I'll add, because I want to let you have your spotlight. Also, people are saying Lindsay Hubbard for her. And I see all of them.

• 37:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  So people were putting West, Blake, Wes Wilson, and Erica Lindsay Hubbard together, and just like, Summer House reboot, it was very funny. Okay. Cam, this is not my own, someone in my DMs sent me Mr. Beast.

• 37:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, yeah, I see it.

• 37:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  So shout out to Terry Lynn from the DMs. Aneha, she is Punjabi Blair Waldorf.

• 37:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  And as someone who just saw Lain Meester last week, I'll keep teasing this event, I swear. I can speak on it.

• 37:39Rayna Greenberg?

  She's actually never gonna actually tell the story, but she's just gonna like drop a little tidbits throughout this.

• 37:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she's Punjabi Blair Waldorf. Shashank and I both agreed. Also, I think this is the way she acts and speaks a little bit of Reese Weaver from DCC. She's just got that like sweet energy about her. I think she's very beautiful.

• 37:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, can I just ask you, do you think that she won't kiss him or touch him at all because she's not attracted to him? Or do you think that's real where she's like, I just never saw it in my home? So I don't know how to do it.

• 38:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. Both. I don't know. Some people are like that, though. They're just like, and they don't want to kiss on TV. Kate and Chad, our friends that got engaged for a reality show, didn't want to tongue kiss on TV. Okay, Sarah, a little bit of a deep cut. I'm gonna give Shashank credit for this one. Jojo.

• 38:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Wow. Oh, my God, they're identical. How did you guys do that?

• 38:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. Okay. Wilson is if someone tried to draw Tristan Thompson from memory. Just a less attractive Tristan. Okay, so Rob. Oh, Rob thinks he looks like Travis Kelsey. Raina, okay, he sorta looks like Jason Kelsey, maybe.

• 38:48Rayna Greenberg?

  A hundred percent.

• 38:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  When he said the Kelsey Brothers thing, I was like, surely he means Jason. There's no way this man thinks... He kinda resembles Jason and that's it. Like, he doesn't look like Travis Kelsey with your eyes closed. Like, this is the Megan Fox of this season.

• 39:06Rayna Greenberg?

  A hundred percent.

• 39:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Travis of the Kelsey Brothers. Do you think you look like Travis, sir?

• 39:13Rayna Greenberg?

  He knew what he was doing.

• 39:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  He gives me the ick. He just seems like controlling them. He was like, smile. I said, smile. Are you smiling? Ew, stop. Okay. Michaela, Tessa, that's Tessa. And I love her style. So she's a fashion girlie. She works in fashion. I don't think we've seen someone this well dressed on the show. Like, I just love seeing what she's gonna wear. I mean, this is what she does for work. And so I just have loved her outfits, even like her first initial outfit in Mexico was really cute. Okay. So Maury, listen, Maury's obsessed with Shane Gillis. I'm gonna give him Shane Gillis. He's tall and pale and just whatever. Like, I really, I know you think he's hot.

• 39:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I, I'm with you. And also, obviously, I find him attractive because he's a tall ginger and that's what I like.

• 39:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  He made me laugh out loud. I'll admit it a few times.

• 39:56Rayna Greenberg?

  But Instagram captions, I mean, he just, he's funny and he knows he is. He is a cornhole entertainment provider. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.

• 40:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is very self-aware. He's like this, when he was like, she's love bombing me because I have a raspy voice and I'm funny. I'm like, you know yourself, my guy. Okay, Jax, Katie Thurston.

• 40:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 40:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Little bit of Miley.

• 40:20Rayna Greenberg?

  She does look like Miley.

• 40:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Stu, I'm gonna end with Stu. This is John Mulaney and he looks and talks like him. This is one of the most shocking where I'm looking and I'm hearing him. It's just crazy to me. He's like a John Mulaney impersonator.

• 40:34Rayna Greenberg?

  There is a lot of people that this could have been.

• 40:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  You didn't see John Mulaney?

• 40:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I went actor Peter Gallagher from the OC. He is Sandy Cohen. They are so identical to me. He doesn't look like John Kennedy, but he does sort of have that like politician look.

• 40:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, he, and vibe. He also kinda looks like our friend Ted Jones, but like the douchey character Ted Jones does for her.

• 41:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 41:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  For content. Like Ted's hotter, but look him up, Ted Jones world. And he like plays that character. Like, I was showing Shashank some of Ted's reels because he plays that douchey Hamptons guy. But he looks and acts like John Mulaney to me.

• 41:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I see it.

• 41:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  And so those are your doppelgangers.

• 41:17Rayna Greenberg?

  No, these were great. I was like, if she doesn't guess Wes Wilson for this first one, like, I was watching him talk and I was like, why have I seen this guy on television a lot before?

• 41:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 41:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Faces this.

• 41:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. All right. I'm just gonna get this out of the way. So Nobody Wants This starts tonight as we record, the 22nd. I went to the premiere party last week. So since season three of Nobody Wants This, which is again, a show we love on Netflix. In the season, Joanne and Noah are gonna move in together. So they did a housewarming party theme for the premiere party. And Raina, it was at a former house. He doesn't live there now, but a house that Michael B. Jordan lived in. It was insane. We could feel the energy, feel the sexual energy. We walk up, they had like the Nobody Wants This, the step and repeats, we, first person we see Lain Meester. Adam Brody and Lain Meester just at the door, just saying hello to people. The whole cast was there. The Foster sisters were there. Jenny Connor was there.

• 42:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Netflix, everybody was there. And it was just such a high vibe and they really had it feel like a housewarming party. So there was like a giant room with charcuterie. They had a pizza station in the back and obviously open bar and everything. And they all spoke. So Erin Foster and Jenny Connor and the cast came out. And they just were like, we love making this show so much and it's an honor that you guys are here. And like, not all TV casts love making the show as much as people enjoy it and were so excited for season three. And Ciara was there. I talked to her a little bit about Dancing with the Stars. And it was just a lot, a lot of people were there and Shashank is so obsessed with Adam Brody and he kept trying to get a moment with him. And you know, he can usually do that. Like, he usually would just grab somebody like, we'll look over Shashank's selfie with Ja Rule.

• 42:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's talking to Meek Mill. Like, he always does that, but we just couldn't pull him. So he didn't really get to have his moment with him.

• 43:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Couldn't pull him for a chat.

• 43:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, couldn't pull him for a one-on-one. But it was just really great and I'm glad I got to attend that. And it just makes me even that much more excited for the show. And I'm sad that you weren't there.

• 43:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I was jealous, but you had a really seriously bad couple of weeks. And so this is a win that you really needed. And I was really, really excited for you that you went to this.

• 43:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, me too. So, yeah, we'll show some pics on screen and you know, that's the tea from the party.

• 43:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, I'm doing a season two rewatch. I actually started it last night. So I'm really excited for season three and yeah, we'll recap it next week. Okay, we're just gonna take a quick break and then we'll get right back into the episode. So I'm telling you guys about Revolve, if you don't know about Revolve. It is truly like, if I could pick one place to shop for the rest of my life, it's Revolve. So whatever you're looking for, denim jackets, sweaters, going out looks, accessories, pieces that just make getting dressed feel exciting and fun. It's Revolve for me. And I actually realized last week, two days before I left for London, that I didn't pick an outfit for London to perform in. And I wanted something special because I sold out this theater and it was like such a special moment for me. And I didn't want to just wear like jeans and a t-shirt. And so I went to Revolve, but I picked like going out fall outfits or something.

• 44:06Rayna Greenberg?

  And they have all these different shops that you can pick from. So if it's fall looks, if it's festival looks, if it's wedding looks. So I just like going out night outfits. And I had this whole curated set of things that I could choose from. And obviously lengths and colors and price ranges. And I ordered it. The shipping was super quick. It came in two days. Ashley and I love their shipping. We love their easy returns. We love their customer support. I mean, they just make it so easy to shop for something. And once I zoned in on what I wanted, it was easy to shop like 100 similar items. I love that they always do that and they'll group everything together. So it's easy to just blow through what you're looking for. And you can be really specific about fit color, brand, occasion, whatever the weather is. If you have dinners, events, travel, et cetera, they just make it really easy. I love the brands.

• 44:49Rayna Greenberg?

  And it is very rare that I don't have something on my body from Revolve at all times. So we love, obviously.

• 44:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Anina Bing is a brand that I love or is a designer that I love. This is the hat. Truly, it's always something.

• 45:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Always something. I love their Citizens of Humanity jeans, but they have tons. We love a Goldie, Mother, all types of brands. They have whatever you want, they have it there. So if you guys, whether you're looking for a night out outfit or just a wardrobe refresh, Revolve makes shopping easier. All the brands you want, constantly updated, new arrivals, fast shipping and easy returns. And inevitably something you did not know you needed until five seconds ago. Go to revolve.com/gge to shop our faves and use the code GGE for 15% off your first order. That's revolve.com/gge, code GGE for 15% off your first order. Offer available for a limited time, so don't miss out.

• 45:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so I am telling you guys about NoCD. So if you are struggling with any sort of intrusive thoughts and you feel like you might have OCD, it's not just like those compulsive behaviors. It can be thoughts that kinda take over your brain. And no matter what you're dealing with, your, your life, your career, your relationships. And it's not just anxiety. It's OCD. And a lot of people have no idea. Again, it's not just the organizing stereotype. It is persistent unwanted intrusive thoughts that feel totally out of character, along with mental or physical behaviors you feel driven to do to get relief, even when it never actually comes. The thoughts can feel very real, which is what makes them so upsetting. But the good news is OCD is highly treatable with the right kind of specialized therapy, which is ERP, Exposure and Response Prevention Therapy, proven to be the most effective treatment. And NoCD is the world's leading provider of OCD treatment,

• 46:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  covered by insurance for over 138 million Americans, licensed therapists specialized in ERP therapy and live face-to-face virtual sessions with support between sessions. So you're never facing OCD alone. So again, this affects millions of people. There's no shame around it, but there really is help that you can get. It is super, super treatable and this is the way. So if you are struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NoCD can help. Book a free 15-minute call to get started at nocd.com.

• 46:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, um, so the movie that is taking the world by storm this week, You Can See Everything by Nathan Fielder. It focuses on Elizabeth Holmes. I went this morning. I went this morning with Jeremy to watch it.

• 47:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina, you went to 11 a.m. movie and you brought a salad. Who are you as a person? A morning movie with a salad is wild, crazy work.

• 47:10Rayna Greenberg?

  I've been eating like total shit lately. And I was like, I gotta get some veg into this body. And I hadn't eaten yet. And I was like, I will be in this movie until at least 2:30. There was 25 minutes of previews and it's a three-hour movie. So I ate it, just so you know, starting at 1:00 p.m., which is a totally appropriate time to eat a salad.

• 47:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sis, I'm not shaming you for eating lunch. What, how did you, did you bring utensils? You sat there in the movie theater and ate a salad. The fork, you shake it up, the dressing?

• 47:42Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I had to mix it and chop it for me. Lenwich, also great Caesar wraps.

• 47:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Could have gotten a wrap.

• 47:48Rayna Greenberg?

  As I was eating my salad, I, I did say to myself, why did you not get a wrap?

• 47:55Rayna Greenberg?

  These people sat directly, the theater was not completely full and these people sat directly next to me and Jeremy and I start like freaking out. I'm like, why are these people sitting next to me? And he was like, what's the difference? Calm down. I was like, because I can't eat my salad next to another woman. Like, I just, she'll know how ridiculous this is. Like, I can feel shame next to Jeremy, but not strangers.

• 48:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's giving 90s diet culture. It's giving you only a certain amount of Weight Watchers points for the day and you had to bring your salad into a movie theater. Crazy work. Ray to Greenberg, everybody. 11 a.m. movie, this bitch shows up with a fucking salad.

• 48:30Rayna Greenberg?

  The way that I eat salad is that the lettuce is an afterthought. There is just, yeah. I was afraid to chew. I was like, are people gonna hear this?

• 48:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like it's popcorn?

• 48:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 48:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina eats salad like it's popcorn, just fucking handfuls of it.

• 48:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like barely chewing. I was like, people are gonna hear me.

• 48:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, all right. Well, so I, you guys, this movie is sold out in LA. So I yesterday panicked. It was like, I, you know, I haven't been able to see it because we moved. I was like, I want to go see it. I'll go right now. This was at 1 p.m. I was like, I'll go at 2, I'll go at 3, I'll go alone. I'll see if Shashank wants to go tonight. So I looked at the five theaters in our vicinity at 2, 3, 6, 7 p.m. We weren't gonna go at 9 p.m. because it's a three hour movie. All sold out. Every single theater, not even one seat, not even a wheelchair. There was wheelchair spaces. They were like, that's not a seat, that's a space for wheelchair. Not that I would ever buy a handicap seat, but like, I'm saying that every seat was full and they don't offer 11 a.m. movies in LA. That's a New York thing. So it's really, they start around 1, at least.

• 49:29Rayna Greenberg?

  No one works there, so I don't, I don't know why they wouldn't.

• 49:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so let's hear it.

• 49:33Rayna Greenberg?

  So, I mean, I would say spoilers ahead, but like, these aren't really spoilers because Elizabeth Holmes is in jail and it's not like a surprise what happened here. Like, they, Nathan Fielder, who's a documentary maker, goes into the home with Elizabeth Holmes and her husband Billy and their two children. And he films her for about 40 days before she goes to prison. And then the second half of the documentary is once she's in prison. And it mostly focuses on Billy. And this may be a bit of a spoiler and they don't advertise this in the documentary, but Amanda Seyfried, who plays her in The Dropout, comes back to kind of reprise her role, reenacting Elizabeth Holmes in this. And basically, the central question is like, do you believe that Elizabeth Holmes knew what she was doing and is she

• 50:18Rayna Greenberg?

  guilty of these things? And they don't really dig into the history of Theranos and what she did. I mean, they give you like the, the top line information, five minutes of it. And, you know, basically Elizabeth Holmes, she defrauded people for hundreds of millions of dollars and she put these medical devices into Walgreens all over the place and they were giving people medical results on devices that they knew did not work. And so basically the central question is like, let's get into the mind of this person. And was she lying? Did she really believe in this technology? Can you feel empathy for her? And it is three hours and I was fully sat for the entire thing. And you are watching this person who seems truly to have no agency over her decisions. She can't explain things clearly. She can't

• 51:01Rayna Greenberg?

  remember things clearly. And she seems sort of kind and she also seems neurodivergent. Um, but these things do not track with the person that I know her to be, which is a tremendously persuasive business person, somebody who convinced people at the highest levels of business and government to give her hundreds of millions of dollars. She was on some level, a genius con artist or business person. And you're watching this person that doesn't really, that's not who I thought she was. And I was watching an interview with Tyler Schultz, who's one of the original whistleblowers with John Kerry Rue, who wrote the book and the original articles about Theranos. And he said, and he had worked for her previously. And he said, the person that I worked for is not

• 51:42Rayna Greenberg?

  the person I'm seeing on screen. She seems totally kind of inept. She seems unable to accept that she did anything wrong. She is committed to the fact that she never lied. She never told any lies. She never misled anybody. And you're just watching this the whole time going like, does she actually believe this? Is this her truth? It can't be the truth she knows because all the facts support the fact that she was lying to everybody and these devices did not work. But you watch it and you feel empathy for her.

• 52:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's almost, it's like Ray Gun. Like, I watched that documentary and I felt empathy for her. And then I just saw people criticizing her, like, she knew what she was doing. She never should have been the, not the same. Like, it's just worse. I'm not saying we're so easily like convinced, but like you watch somebody act like a human. And if you were a human with empathy and compassion, you could start to feel that type of way. Not for everybody. It wouldn't be like that for a lot of men specifically who have done terrible, terrible things. But I mean, I can see where you get there, watching this.

• 52:47Rayna Greenberg?

  So you're watching her be a mother and breastfeed her children and be just like a sweet mother. And she's so in love with her husband. And, and you start to feel some empathy, I don't know, empathy is the wrong word because the facts are the actual facts. And she not only misled people, she collected a massive fortune doing so. And then she actively worked to silence whistleblowers. So.

• 53:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what our government does every single day. That's like Elon Musk, Donald Trump, everybody. Like, it's just, what she did does not hold a candle to some of the things that like our specific administration now has done and the blood that's on their hands. But.

• 53:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I totally agree. And she did not act alone. This was a 19 year old college dropout who men at the highest levels of government and business enabled and gave money to. And then Walgreens purchased her, her technology and put it in all their stores. All of these people are liable for what happened here. And the blood is not only on her hands. So I don't think it falls squarely with her. And a lot of the documentary focuses on her dynamic with Billy Evans, her husband, who seems tremendously manipulative. He controls her Twitter and her money and he has power of attorney over her, which is really fascinating. And, you know, she was in a relationship with Sunny Balwani from the time she was like 19 and he was almost 40. So she has been manipulated by these men, truthfully

• 54:03Rayna Greenberg?

  her whole life, but still is the perpetrator and was the head of this company. So it is just a fascinating watch of, and as you watch her thinking like, is Nathan Fielder being manipulated? Is she manipulative? She seems just like a doe eyed, innocent, I didn't do anything. What are you saying?

• 54:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I can't wait to see it. Thank you for seeing it on behalf of the show. I don't know when we're gonna go. We're out of town this weekend. We're in Clemson. So that's where I'll be this weekend for, for the game. But I want to ask you a final question on it. Were you attracted to Nathan Fielder before? And are you attracted to him now?

• 54:38Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 54:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  No and no?

• 54:40Rayna Greenberg?

  No and no. Why are people saying that?

• 54:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I see discourse about this, that like he's unsuspectingly hot. And especially after this.

• 54:50Rayna Greenberg?

  No, but what I will say about this movie that surprised me is it's so funny. Like, people were laughing out, it's not supposed to be.

• 54:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, not just funny to you?

• 55:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. I mean, we were, Jeremy and I and the whole theater was like laughing out loud at how awkward all these scenes were. I mean, it is so painfully awkward. He is so painfully awkward. Her and her husband, all these scenes. There's this one scene where she's beating eggs and her husband just walks over and takes the bowl out of her hand and keeps beating the eggs. And like, you're like, is anybody to acknowledge this? That like, he's just like, took this from her? I don't know. It's just, it's very funny. Like, it's not supposed to be funny, but there are so many comedic moments where you're just like, damn, no, I'm not attracted to him. You do see her husband's whole dick. You see Billy Evans' entire dick. And I am attracted to him.

• 55:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Raina, I'm just dying laughing, thinking about you fistfuls of salad and laughing in this movie.

• 55:47Rayna Greenberg?

  That salad did smell. There was eggs in it and there was blue cheese in it.

• 55:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  I literally.

• 55:52Rayna Greenberg?

  That hurt my feelings when you said that.

• 55:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  What, I hate?

• 55:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's out of love. Who did I write that on this morning?

• 56:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Me! What do you mean, who did I write that on me?

• 56:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I, it's out of, I had a comment, I wrote it on Instagram. Marie Foster did this whole thing of how she met Michael B. Jordan. Speaking of Michael B. Jordan, back to the Nobody Wants This premiere party. And she, and I said, I hate you. I believe this. It was a dream. She's talking about how she met him and she gave him her number. Raina, I was hanging on every single word. If you guys aren't following Marie Foster, you have to. But like, she was laying in bed, she's telling this story. I was like, oh my gosh, Marie Foster's gonna date Michael B. Jordan?

• 56:27Speaker 02

  I met Michael B. Jordan.

• 56:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Can I tell you something that made me laugh and then we will move on? So Page Six has this article. It says, Amanda Seyfried faces harsh criticism as viewers rip her behavior in Elizabeth Holmes documentary. And Kate Kennedy, who we love, just wrote, no one is saying this.

• 56:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, I'm glad you said that because I was going to ask you how you felt about it. And so I think Kate said it for us. No one's saying that. That's not a thing.

• 56:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I guess some people could be saying it. Nathan Fielder basically like has Amanda Seyfried there and he's talking to her because I mean, very few people probably ever researched Elizabeth Holmes as much as Amanda Seyfried to reprise this role.

• 57:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 57:11Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought it was interesting. I don't, maybe people are going after her. I think if you find a group of people, half of them will have something negative to say about anything. So I don't know.

• 57:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we are going to do headlines as quickly as we can. We know this is a long one, but we don't have an episode for you guys on Monday. So just enjoy it, you know, break it up, listen to it in two parts. Okay, so this is heartbreaking. Jalen Hurts is out for the rest of the season. The Eagles are under fire. This is just so sad. I feel so upset. I feel so disgusted. So he had a blood clot in his leg that they already knew about. They still flew him to London to play in the game against the Jaguars. It was reported that they told him to stay awake for 36 hours. I think that has since maybe been disputed and unsure. It's a little murky there, but like

• 57:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  the narrative was like, they flew him to London, which they shouldn't have if he was having these medical issues and then to be on not a lot of sleep and to play in the game. And so if anybody ever medically advised you not to sleep for 36 hours and play in a football game, that's totally insane and like totally against like all like, I don't medical professionalism. But again, I'm not quite sure. And now he has blood clot in his lungs. And I just feel sick about this. I mean, I really hope this isn't the end of his football career. It's the end of his season. And if he was advised to do that or coerced in any way to play against his own best judgment or his own health, like, how could he ever want to play for this team again? Like, people are having a lot of feelings about the Eagles. Like, again, we don't

• 58:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  know. He could have insisted on playing. I mean, who's to say? We all know athletes are pushed too hard in the name of the bottom line, but they also want to play too. And it's just like, these are people's lives. Like, he will survive this and get through this and hopefully play again. But like, the thought of anything happening to him, Raina, I like can't, I've been like, very upset about it. Like, he is the Philadelphia Eagles. He is such a treasure. He is just so important and does so much good in the world on top of being an incredible player for my favorite team. What he does for the community, he's got a children's book, like, it's Jalen Hurts. He's so hot. But like, this is just really sad. People are fucking pissed and they're like, what happened here?

• 59:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it feels like we don't have the whole story. But crazy for him to have this medical issue and then fly him across the world to play in a football game, too.

• 59:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, I guess adults have agency and they could do whatever they want. Nobody, I guess, essentially how Gunda has had to do it. I just wonder what this means for like, medical advice being given to players and feeling like you have your own agency to do what you want.

• 59:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, that's why they have medical professionals and doctors to say, here's what's going on in your body. You can't go play a football game. He's not, he was on blood thinners. You can't go get hit. You could die. So it's like, that's not his decision to make. I mean, I guess you could risk your life, but like, that's why there is a medical team to advise you on what you can and can't do safely.

• 1:00:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's a rough season for Philly fans. I will say that. And then one more that made me cry in a good way. New York City is set to ban horse-drawn carriages. Thanks, Mamdani, our white knight. These always broke my heart. It's so abusive. I don't care that people want to do it and have this fairy tale moment. The time is over. And so New York City is going to ban these horse-drawn carriages. Mayor Zaron Mamdani and the leader of the New York City Council have agreed to it. It's a popular tourist attraction, of course, but it's always faced this widespread scrutiny. And every time I see those horses, I just like want to burst into tears in Central Park and all over. So that, the horse carriage industry is coming to an end. And he said, our administration

• 1:00:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  will make sure workers and owners are protected and the horses are safe.

• 1:00:52Rayna Greenberg?

  This has been like a hot topic in New York City. I mean, since I moved here, like 20 years ago. This has been something that people have been fighting against. This is animal cruelty and what they go through and

• 1:01:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the heat and everything.

• 1:01:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Just a small aside, because it's at the center of Central Park, or it's at the base of Central Park. The Plaza Hotel has announced they are closing for the next four years. And I just think this is really crazy. I mean, when I was thinking of like, the most famous hotels in the world, I think like, top three in the US has got to be the Plaza, the Chateau Marmont, the Beverly Hills Hotel. Like, you just don't see these like, cultural institutions close like this. And I don't know, that hotel just like meant a lot to the city. I mean, you have like Home Alone and Eloise, and I got engaged there. And like, when I was little, we came up here and we had tea here. And I think it just like means so much to like, a lot of people that come here as like a tourist attraction. So I just thought that was interesting. That's odd. They announced that after, at the beginning of 2027, they'll do the Christmas season and they're going to close for at least four years.

• 1:01:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  For renovations?

• 1:01:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, for renovations. And they've been renovating the outside of the hotel for many, many, many years. There's a drape outside of it that looks like it's actually the hotel and it's not. But they said it's going to be too loud and intrusive. And so they're shutting the hotel down for the next four years, which you just, you don't see this happen in like, such big cultural institutions like this.

• 1:02:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like, are the rooms so dated? Like, and it's at the point where like, people are paying this premium price and they're like, this is so old. Like, I've stayed in some of those hotels. I mean, we stayed in one of those hotels on Lake Louise, where I was like, damn, this feels old and it's so expensive. And like, one of these days, they're going to have to shut this down and renovate, do all the rooms.

• 1:02:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I've only ever stayed in one room there. I mean, it wasn't like dusty, but it, I mean, it's definitely old. I mean, this hotel is from like, the 1800s. It's an old hotel. I think the 1800s. Don't quote me on that, you guys. It might be the early 1900s. Doesn't matter. But stay tuned for that. And just two more headlines. You want to announce this next one?

• 1:02:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  So Jay-Z reportedly selected himself to headline the Super Bowl to no one's surprise. I mean, Jay-Z's on this run. He did the tour and it makes sense. And if he was playing this in a, I can't find anybody else sort of way, he didn't need to do that. Jay-Z is fit to do the Super Bowl. Like, if that's what's happening, it's still speculative, but he's a generational talent. He has the catalog. Roc Nation has been booking the Super Bowl since 2019. Like, of course, he's going to do it. Like, I saw Cypher Sounds, who we love, this comedian, and he's Dave Chappelle's DJ, and we just love him. His take was just like, if you were in charge of booking a comedian, a musical artist, whatever it was, wouldn't you throw your hat in the ring on the biggest stage? Like, on top of being qualified? Like, I hope nobody's going to shade it like it's unfair.

• 1:03:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, but it's just like, he is the best fit. So, and then he'll bring people out and Beyonce, hopefully. And so if that's what's going to happen, it just makes sense. And Roc Nation didn't need to act like we are having trouble booking somebody. They can just say, guys, it's Jay-Z's time. Obviously.

• 1:03:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I'm really excited about it.

• 1:03:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  And lastly, this is hot news as we record. Giggly Squad is the first female podcast to headline Madison Square Garden. Hannah and Paige, the Gail's Gail's tour. And they announced this tour and we're so excited and proud of them. They are friends of ours, obviously. And the Madison Square Garden show sold out in 30 minutes and they added a second one. This is huge. And there's been like a few podcasts that have done this, Kill Tony. Not many, obviously, podcasts do this and no women-led podcasts have. I wish it was the first podcast ever. I wish that men didn't get to have this title at all. But low and behold, I love this and we love seeing their success. And I just,

• 1:04:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just know, like, men are mad. Like, I just know there's like, male comedians and male podcasters that fucking hate this. And they're in their gross little group chats today, just saying shit. I just, I love that. It's my favorite part. Also, my pride for them.

• 1:04:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. A huge congratulations to them. And we just love them. We are so proud of them. I can't wait to go and see it. And to see podcasting take the stage like this, I mean, Kyle Cook must be having the worst day of anybody. I mean, I think about that sometimes, him making fun of them on that show. I mean, he named the podcast. Like, it is so funny to me that like, look where it's gone. But this is just so amazing and astonishing. And I just, I had a feeling they were going to announce Madison Square Garden. And I just, you know, I can't wait to see it.

• 1:05:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, they put out a music video. They put out a song. I shushank all day, just Gail's Gail. He says it all the time. He's like a real giggler. I mean, we all are.

• 1:05:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Gail's Gail, wake up. You're not even a Gail's Gail. Like, please stop.

• 1:05:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'll take you. Okay, we'll go. We'll go backstage. Okay, so that is your snack, you guys. It's a long one. We hope you enjoyed it. We had a lot to cover. We are not going to see you Monday. We just are taking a week off. We've got some shit going on in our lives. We're going to be coming in hot next week, Thursday, Halloween episode. And then we will have a really fun solo episode for you guys on November 2.

• 1:05:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 1:05:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  And girlsgottaeat.com, Girls Gotta Eat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Raina dot Greenberg, RainaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets. And we have our show for the New York Comedy Festival. That is on November 8. We're really excited. We're just like planning it this morning. It's going to be a really fun show. So come out and get tickets to that. That is going to be the Stand West. GirlsGottaEat.com for those tickets. Or you can go to New York Comedy Festival's website and watch full video on Spotify and YouTube. And we will see you next Thursday.

• 1:06:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a great weekend and week, guys.

• 1:06:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.