Part One: Romana Didulo: Queen of Canada

Robert sits down with Prop (Jason Petty) to discuss the QAnon Queen of Canada, Romana Didulo. (3 Part Series) See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:05Robert Evans?

  Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast brought to you by no major streaming networks. That's not a thing that we're doing. Ignore whatever it is Sophie says after me.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  That was so fucked up. That was so fucked up. That was so fucked up. I can't even tell you, guys, how many meetings that I've been in. I can't even tell you. I was like up at 5:00 in the morning clipping together something for... I work so hard and Robert's like, "Mind you..."

• 0:37Speaker 02

  You work so hard.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  We're trash. Anyways...

• 0:40Robert Evans?

  You work hard for our network that has nothing to do with a major streaming service.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Anyways...

• 0:44Speaker 02

  You tried so hard and come so far.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 0:47Robert Evans?

  Wow, Prop. Wow.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  I'm really glad props here for this. Anyways, just wanted to give a little PSA at the top that if you're an audio listener, not a single thing has changed for you, my friends. You can still listen to this podcast wherever you get your podcasts, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's a PSA at the end if you're forgetting what I'm saying up top. Also, full video episodes of Behind the Bastards are now streaming on Netflix, dropping every Tuesday and Thursday. So hit "Remind Me" on Netflix so you don't miss an episode.

• 1:16Robert Evans?

  Yeah. And look, I know what you're all saying. Netflix only had one demand, which was that we stop making actionable threats against [BLEEP].

• 1:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so...

• 1:25Robert Evans?

  And you know, I feel like that's a fair compromise.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, so hit "Remind Me" on Netflix so you don't miss an episode. And then for clips in older episode catalog, continue to subscribe to our YouTube channel. Yeah.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  Respect.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  That's what's up. Yep.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Look, mama, I'm on Netflix.

• 1:43Robert Evans?

  There you go.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  I'm saying?

• 1:45Robert Evans?

  Well, let's stop talking about streaming and start talking about something important, which is our guest for this episode.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  My guy!

• 1:54Robert Evans?

  Jason Petty, aka Prop.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  The best guy. He's here. I'm so excited.

• 2:00Robert Evans?

  We're back. We're back.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Back, baby.

• 2:02Robert Evans?

  Back in the New York mood. Not really.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  We got photos back from the live show we did last year and I was just looking at it and it's the three of us. I was like, "Damn, I gotta frame this shit we look."

• 2:11Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 2:12Speaker 01

  It's like a family photo album. I need it. I love you guys.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Listen, it is a blessing and an honor to be here to talk about some sort of piece of shit.

• 2:23Robert Evans?

  Yeah, we are.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying? I'm talking about, I was just over here jamming some Barrington Levy. Calling ICE murderers, you know what I'm saying?

• 2:33Speaker 01

  I have, I have shocking news to start this episode.

• 2:37Robert Evans?

  What's that?

• 2:38Speaker 01

  The passage of this episode is not a man.

• 2:41Robert Evans?

  No, no, no, we're doing, we got a lady bastard this time, crap. We've got, uh, things are dark in the old United States these days. So I figured we'd take a trip up north to our, uh, our normal and, and mentally healthy neighbors where, where nothing crazy ever happens, obviously, in Canada. And, uh, let's talk about one of Canada's most notable bastards of the moment, Queen Romana Didulo. Uh, the queen of Canada, which does not have a queen.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, AKA.

• 3:12Robert Evans?

  Did for a while.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  AKA, who?

• 3:17Robert Evans?

  Yeah, so she, she is.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Talk about.

• 3:21Robert Evans?

  She's essentially a QAnon influencer who's starting in like 2021, declared herself the queen of Canada. And she's been declaring things ever since, living in like a, uh, an RV caravan with all of her followers. It's good stuff.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  She's like a mystical.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  On behalf of everyone who's just nervous system is beat to crap, man, thank you. Thank you for giving me something this absurd. I needed it.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  She's a mystical creature.

• 3:47Robert Evans?

  No genocide, no real body count.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  She's a cult leader.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Oh, man, I needed this so much.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  She's, you know, well, I, in Robert's script, it says, she might be an alien.

• 3:58Robert Evans?

  She might be an alien.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  I'm excited.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 4:01Robert Evans?

  She might be an alien, she might be psychic, but she's definitely a cult leader, right? Thankfully, she's not a good one, which we don't talk about enough, you know?

• 4:10Speaker 02

  God, dog, I, listen, man, I was here for the, the Thomas Jeffersons, I was here for the, for the lost calls, for the crack attack, I was.

• 4:20Robert Evans?

  Yeah, let's get some fun. Let's do something good. Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:24Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Himmler, I had to do Himmler.

• 4:27Robert Evans?

  Yeah, I feel like this is also, you know, because Himmler, if you're comparing, if you're out there trying to make your mark as a monster and you're comparing yourself to someone like Himmler, you know, you're just gonna wind up feeling inadequate. And I don't want any of the cult leaders that listen to this podcast to feel inadequate. You know, there's been a series of threads going around on Reddit where people are pointing out that like, you know, how few people actually make over a hundred thousand dollars. To be like, hey, if you're making less than that, you don't have to feel bad. And I want to do the same thing to the cult leaders out there. If you're a working class cult leader, you know, really busting your ass to keep a dozen or so people, you know, locked mentally in the chains of slavery to your insane will, this is for you, you know? We can't all, you can't all be Elrond Hubbard. Can't all have

• 5:12Robert Evans?

  a skyscraper in downtown Los Angeles, you know?

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Again, I appreciate you saying this. This is like the, the, the DEI affinity group of

• 5:21Robert Evans?

  That's right.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  bastards.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  I'm obsessed with you.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  I appreciate this, man. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, listen, man, all of us don't start off, you feel me? Like, we all don't start off with the privilege of being a six foot white dude, you know what I'm saying? With the money endowment where you can just buy land, you feel me? Everybody ain't Jim Jones, you know what I mean? Like, some of us gotta get it out the mud.

• 5:43Robert Evans?

  Yeah, you, you have to like get people okay with the fact that like, if all you can do is, is really completely destroy the mental freedom and sovereignty of like 10 people, you know, that's enough. You're valid as a cult leader. And that's what we're telling Romana, you know?

• 5:59Speaker 02

  I get it. And also, you know what I'm saying? If we talking about Canada, I mean, they got stuff like healthcare and like, you know what I'm saying? So they're kind of like,

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Justin Bieber.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  They kind of really don't got nothing to complain about, you know? So to get somebody to fall into a cult in Canada, like, I mean, good for you.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  I do feel like they have something to complain about.

• 6:19Robert Evans?

  They've got stuff to complain about, largely the cult leader that destroyed their lives.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, I was gonna say, uh, uh, Drake, but.

• 6:29Robert Evans?

  I was gonna say Timbits, but.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  He's already been destroyed.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, but Kenny took care of that.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, cornrow Kenny already took care of that. I'd also like to say that, like, not that I would ever, ever, ever give a high five to any sort of Western world leader, but.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Valid.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Matt Carney just got his bars off. Like, I'mma give, or Mark Carney.

• 6:52Robert Evans?

  That was a good little Davos speech, yeah.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, he got his bars off. I appreciate that. He was like, can we just stop capping, y'all? Can we just stop pretending like?

• 7:01Robert Evans?

  And again, that's part of why I support the Queen of Canada, right? Is that for too long, Canada has sat in the shadows as American cult leaders have gotten all of the attention, you know, just because we're better at cults than Canadians, you know, a lot better, like way better. But that doesn't mean there aren't Canadian cult leaders, and today we're gonna talk about one, right?

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• 9:08Robert Evans?

  Now, as I noted, Americans are better at cults. And so before we get to her royal highness, I want to talk about a different cultic movement that people generally say helped prepare the ground for Romanes cult. And this is an American cultic movement, the I AM Activity. And it's always spelled I AM in all caps and quotations, and then activity with a capital A. That's the name of the movement. And it's like a Christian faith movement from the United States, kind of, that turned into like a self-help cult, and it cropped up.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  You gotta say the whole thing, like a pimp named Slickback.

• 9:46Robert Evans?

  The I AM, yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  It's like a try-call quest.

• 9:48Robert Evans?

  Exactly, the I AM Activity, yes.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  You have to say the whole thing.

• 9:52Robert Evans?

  You can't abbreviate it. People won't know what you're talking about.

• 9:56Robert Evans?

  So it cropped up during the peak of the Great Depression, at the start of the 30s, which is, you know, a good time to be starting a cult. A lot of our new age movements have some, to some extent, their origins in the Great Depression. And the I AM movement has its roots in the city of Mount Shasta, which is the least surprising thing on earth if you've ever been to Mount Shasta.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  Any Californians in the chat?

• 10:18Robert Evans?

  Yeah, they're already in cults.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  You already know, like, you feel the cult vibration as soon as you leave the Bay Area. You're like, it smells like cult.

• 10:29Robert Evans?

  If you live in Mount Shasta, you've already been told to cut ties with your friends and family. And hand all of your money to a charismatic stranger.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  Don't get gas over there, boy.

• 10:38Robert Evans?

  Do not step out of the car.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Better gas up in Waicca, brother.

• 10:41Robert Evans?

  Not a lovely town.

• 10:44Robert Evans?

  But Mount Shasta is a big volcano situated in Northern California, not that far from the border of Oregon. It's very pretty. It looks kinda like a lady. And the town there has a reputation for being a hub of the new age movement and various cultic groups. Like today, if you go there today, there's a lot of woo shit in Mount Shasta. And this has been the case for a long time. Mount Shasta kinda helped give birth to the new age movement.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Wait, the mountain looks like a lady?

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was a new one.

• 11:10Robert Evans?

  Kind of, yeah. Yeah, the mountain. Like, it kinda has like the silhouette of a lady. So, so the native said. And it does. If you look at it during the sunset, it looks like it. You can see her face.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Cute.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I kinda know. I always think-

• 11:22Robert Evans?

  She's a pretty mountain.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  I, I, I tied Shasta with just like, white women with dreadlocks.

• 11:30Robert Evans?

  Well, yeah, there's, there's them there too, but they didn't start being there. So, uh, it has a reputation for being a hub of the new age movement. There's also persistent rumors that aliens live inside the mountain, right?

• 11:42Speaker 02

  Didn't know that one.

• 11:44Robert Evans?

  Yes, yes. And I, I can confirm that there are mushroom aliens living inside Mount Shasta via four independent interviews that I conducted with guys I got stoned with at growhouses in the area. So, you know, that's, that's as solid evidence as you're going to get that there are in fact aliens living inside Mount Shasta.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's a triple source confirmation.

• 12:04Robert Evans?

  Exactly, exactly. Any newspaper would print that.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:07Robert Evans?

  Anyhow, the root of the proud tradition of kookiness in Mount Shasta starts with a local man named Guy Ballard, who while hiking on Mount Shasta, received a vision from Saint Germain. Now, when I heard that, I was like, oh, this guy's probably Catholic. Some saint visited him, right? That makes sense. You know, Catholics are always talking about the saints visiting them. That's not what Saint Germain is. If you look up Saint Germain online, you'll come across two different things. One is a kind of elder flower liqueur that you've probably seen in bars. It's got a pretty distinctive looking bottle.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 12:40Robert Evans?

  And it, I think it's named after a long-dead confidence man who was not at all a saint, who described himself as a count, and who made a bunch of famous friends, including Voltaire, and told them stories about being 500 years old and all-knowing, right?

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I love this guy.

• 12:57Robert Evans?

  Yeah. This was a guy a few hundred years ago, who just kinda, he got famous for going to parties and lying about himself, right? Which was easy to do back then.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:07Robert Evans?

  You know? Who was gonna check?

• 13:09Speaker 02

  I'm gonna check if you wasn't 500.

• 13:11Robert Evans?

  Yeah, exactly. As long as you're in a different city than you're from, no one's figuring this shit out.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  There's a little bit of like, I kinda like gaze back longingly over those days. Cause I just feel like, like if you think about like the whole plot of like the Bourne Identity. It just with facial recognition, you just don't have a movie. Like this guy got all kinda like passports to say where he's from. It's like, uh, excuse me, sir, can you step over here, please? Like, there's just, you can't have a fake ID. You know what I'm saying? So the idea of saying because the internet exists, that I could be like, oh yeah, no, we're actually royalty. I'm from Ethiopia, royalty. Like you, there's no way for you to check. Like now it's like, sir, you were born in Inglewood.

• 14:01Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Robert Evans?

  Yeah. And Guy Ballard is, yeah, one of these, he sees this Saint Germain fella. And I don't know exactly how to categorize Saint Germain. I think we have to file him under the category of like con artists whose cons have been lost to obscurity. Cause he's, he's hanging out only around rich people and he's lying to them incessantly. But I don't know like entirely what the grift was, right? Like what was he, what was he getting out of this? Was it just that he got invited to parties and he got to stay at rich people's fancy mansions? It may have been that, right? Um, and he was, he was a charming guy by all accounts, uh, and multi-talented. He was good at music and stuff. So he was fun. You didn't have TV back then. So a lot of prominent people, if you're just interesting, you could get invited to rich people's parties

• 14:48Robert Evans?

  and make an okay life for yourself, cause there was nothing going on. And all of the other rich people are pretty boring. He published a bunch of sheet music in his time and he wrote two books of magic. One was shaped like a triangle and detailed a ritual that would provide the practitioner with unnatural wealth and long life, just as the count was said to possess.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:08Robert Evans?

  And his books became influential among the occult. And as a result, when the theosophists came around in the late 1800s, Helena Blavatsky declared Saint Germain to have been the most powerful wizard of his kind in several centuries. And that his astral form had visited her and bestowed secret wisdom on her, right?

• 15:23Speaker 02

  This is amazing.

• 15:24Robert Evans?

  It's kind of, when, when we get in the end of the 1800s, early 1900s, that big occult wave that kind of does in a lot of ways, lead into like the Nazis and stuff.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:33Robert Evans?

  Saint Germain is just from a previous era, a hundred, a couple hundred years earlier. He's one of the most famous guys who was like into magic and everyone just wrote about him. So she says, oh, he visited me and he taught me his secret powers, you know?

• 15:46Speaker 02

  And then he visited this.

• 15:49Robert Evans?

  Right, exactly. Forty years, like forty years after, he visits Blavatsky. And so, I bring all this up because Guy Ballard didn't just invent, oh, Saint Germain, that's an interesting figure from the past who said, taught me something. He's ripping off Blavatsky, right?

• 16:02Speaker 02

  Got it. Okay.

• 16:03Robert Evans?

  Like, she was the first one doing this. And so Guy is like, well, I'm looking to make a name for myself. I want people to see me as a, as a cultic leader. I guess I gotta have Saint Germain back me up too, right?

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:15Robert Evans?

  Um, and so Guy Ballard takes this, this, you know, and he says, basically Saint Germain told me his secrets to long life and, you know, mental powers. And I'm going to teach him to you. That's the, that's the basis of the I Am Activity, right? Which is this mystic educational movement based on Saint Germain's supposed teachings.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  I Am Activity.

• 16:34Robert Evans?

  On the website, the I Am Activity, always all caps and in quotation marks with I Am. Don't you ever say it differently?

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Listen, like a tribe called Quest, you gotta say the whole thing.

• 16:45Robert Evans?

  Exactly. Yes. So per write-up on the website, new religiousmovements.org. The core teachings of the I Am Activity center around the presence of the I Am or God presence within each individual, a divine spark that connects everyone to the Creator. Through specific practices such as decrees, spoken invocations and affirmations, followers aim to realize their divine nature, achieve self purification and ultimately ascend to higher spiritual realms, emulating the ascended masters. The Ballard's teachings also incorporated elements of American patriotism and nationalism, claiming the United States had a unique role in the world's spiritual destiny.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Bro, this is so, it, there's so many like, like, uh, seasonings of like Pentecostal Christian.

• 17:26Robert Evans?

  Yes.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  In that, like, you're declaring the I am that I am and, and you get to speak, speak the power of existence, bro, like, let me tell you something.

• 17:33Robert Evans?

  Right.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  I, like, I could, I already, I already see where that, how this got, how this became Christian. You know what I'm saying?

• 17:39Robert Evans?

  And that's, it's worth noting, as you pointed out, the I am and I am activity is a reference to the Bible. It's from the God.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, Moses. What, what God said to Moses.

• 17:49Robert Evans?

  Yeah, what God said to Moses, right? And, and that's what, it's possible, we don't know, Romana's gonna say a lot of stuff that references aspects of the I am activity. I don't know if she's aware of the original cult, or if it's just because the I am activity kind of becomes part of foundational American cultic lore. And as is always the case with this stuff, pieces of it wind up picked up by generations of later cult leaders. And thrown, and not just cults, but thrown into different aspects of like new age thinking.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 18:16Robert Evans?

  So, think, pieces of Ballard's work kind of rot, wind up in self-help books and stuff for decades to come. Which may just be the extent of like where, how she picks up on little elements of this, right? Now, the I am activities, you may have guessed from the fact that, most of you probably hadn't heard of this, this before.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 18:35Robert Evans?

  It was not a huge hit. It's giant, it's best, it was not, it was not, it was like middling, I'll say that. Its great claim to fame was a Supreme Court case, US v. Ballard, over whether or not it was fraud for leaders of a supposedly religious movement to collect donations, based on religious claims they did not themselves believe. And the case was launched after Ballard's death. People sued and argued that like his wife and son, who'd helped with the cult, didn't really believe in anything, and thus were committing fraud when they took in more than $3 million worth of donations. The Supreme Court ultimately decided, the question itself is inappropriate for a court to ask, right? We can't even rule on this because us, the idea that a, a court would have anything to say about whether or not someone legitimately believes in a religion they espouse, is inappropriate, basically.

• 19:20Robert Evans?

  Like, we shouldn't even, we shouldn't even be here, you know?

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:23Robert Evans?

  Which is, I, I, I'm so mixed about it because both, if they had ruled, yeah, that's fraud, maybe a lot would be better. But also, it really isn't a court's place to say, I think that guy doesn't believe what he says he believes.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's super weird.

• 19:36Robert Evans?

  When it comes to religion, you know?

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:38Robert Evans?

  When a crime, like.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  That's interesting, and, and like, how could a court call that? Like, to be like.

• 19:43Robert Evans?

  It's tough, it's tough.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  That was super interesting. It's like, I don't know about your faith, buddy. You know what I'm saying? You said you believe, but I don't think you believe it. Like.

• 19:53Robert Evans?

  Cause it's, it's one of those things, I can imagine a million problems we could have avoided if they'd ruled differently, but also a million new problems that we would have had. If we were like, no, the court gets to decide if you really believe in whatever you say you believe in.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, totally. It's like.

• 20:07Robert Evans?

  That's probably a problem.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  Which one of these cans of worms do we want to open? You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, cause, cause even like, you know, even fast forward to, you know, again, American Pentecostalism, like how many of it would have been like, hey, bro, you, you really don't believe you could heal that person, do you?

• 20:26Robert Evans?

  Yeah, you don't think that what you pulled out of them, that's chicken gizzard. You don't think that's really.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  That is not real, sir. Yes. And he's like, ah, you got me, you got me. Can you imagine?

• 20:39Robert Evans?

  I feel like there is a line where it's like, yeah, if you're like pulling chicken gizzard out of people pretending it's cancer, you're probably committing fraud. That's probably crossing a line. But if you're just asking, do you really believe that people can chant themselves into immortality doing this or whatever? Like, I, I, yeah, I guess I can kind of respect the Supreme Court being like, this isn't even our place. Like, this isn't even an appropriate thing for there to be a court case about. Like, what do I know? I, I, it's, it's really mixed, but I can see the logic, you know? So the movement limped along, the I Am movement. They won this case and they limped along until Ballard's wife dies in the early 1970s, at which point leadership passed to a board of directors.

• 21:21Robert Evans?

  The group is still kind of existent today, the I Am, but like, they've got like a newsletter they publish or some shit, but it's not like a thing anymore. Not really.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:31Robert Evans?

  As I said, it's relevant to us because pieces of it have been passed down in New Age and Coltic and occult lore ever since in the United States and to a lesser extent in Canada. And the I Am movement is relevant primarily to us today because Romana, Romana Didulo would later ape a lot of its core language, knowingly or unknowingly. And so let's turn to her now. The purported queen of Canada was born in the Philippines and given her age would have had to been born probably sometime in the 1970s. We get very little detail from her early life that can be confirmed to any degree and she doesn't seem to have made a ton of claims about her childhood and life before coming to Canada. Most of the stories we do

• 22:14Robert Evans?

  have concern her grandmother, who is a sort of or figure within the cult that she's created. And Romana says that her grandmother, a first grade teacher, raised her to speak five languages fluidly. Researcher Christine Sarteshi of Chatham University is almost certainly Didulo's number one biographical expert, and she writes of the queen's further claims. That same grandmother mounted a strategic defense and offense and successfully blocked the Chinese from invading their regional stronghold during World War II. This claim could not possibly be true since during World War II, Japan, not China, occupied the Philippines.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  They wasn't there.

• 22:51Robert Evans?

  She's gonna say a lot about fighting the Chinese. This is a family business to her, but again, they have, they got other shit going on in World War II. They're not in the Philippines.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm a bit like, almost equal parts saddened and excited that this is a Pinay, that this is like a Filipino woman. Like, I was like, oh, she's from the Philippine. Okay, so that adds a layer of like, awesome. And again, for newcomers here. Yeah, for newcomers, as y'all can see my face, my stepmother's Filipino. So like, I'm part of the culture. So there are things that I could participate in that I can only participate in because one of my moms were Filipino.

• 23:33Robert Evans?

  Yeah. And she is, Didulo, she doesn't emphasize that part of her heritage very much. She'll talk a little bit about her grandmother, but she's not, she's not massively, like, she's more Canadian, I think, than anything else because she leaves when she's very young, right? And I, it doesn't seem like she has a ton of contact with her, her family over there, although that's kind of unclear to me.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Does she go to Toronto?

• 23:58Robert Evans?

  Um, no, no, Vancouver.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Um, okay. If she goes to Vancouver, yeah, I was like, cause those are two very, pretty big, like Filipino populations.

• 24:05Robert Evans?

  Yeah. And I, I don't, she, anyway. She may have been closer to her family. We get very little about her life before she comes on the scene as a cult leader, but she doesn't talk much about anything to do with her, like background, really. Like, because she's very, she has a vested interest in not having you think about her before she was the queen, right? Like, that's, that's kind of why. So I just, there's not a lot to say on that account, right?

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:29Robert Evans?

  Um, her father was a lawyer and an engineer, but he dies when she's 10. Her mom dies a year later. Uh, and so she's raised by her grandmother for a couple of years, but not long after her parents die, when she's 15, she moves to Vancouver. And she's raised by other relatives there. It's kind of unclear, you know, how much of this is her grandparents? Do they move with her? I actually just don't have that information. Um, and that's really about all we've got, as refers to her early life. We don't have any sort of real documentation about her outside of this. Uh, Sarteshi and a, and a journalist from Vice, Max Lamero, are kind of the, the two people who have really delved into her background a lot. So I am, I haven't, there's a couple of other things I found just from like shit she's

• 25:12Robert Evans?

  written online, but most of what you're gonna find about her is from those two. And there's just not a lot that's known yet about what was she doing the first like 40 years of her life, right? Um, you know who doesn't have a public life? Because they live only to serve you and to bring you joy.

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• 25:31Robert Evans?

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• 25:35Robert Evans?

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• 27:08Robert Evans?

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• 27:20Robert Evans?

  And we're back. So when Romana next appears on the public record, she's a Canadian citizen and an entrepreneur. She seems to have run a couple of different companies. And I know Mac Lamro of Vice is someone, he's reported heavily on her, and he seems to think these businesses that she had were some kind of con, but the specifics of maybe how she was trying to con people are unclear. That's at least how I interpret something that he said on the QAnon Anonymous podcast. Mac, if I got your meaning wrong, I apologize. That seems credible to me, although, again, we don't really know what she was doing with these businesses. We have very little on them.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:55Robert Evans?

  Sarteshi writes-

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Side note, dude.

• 27:57Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Wait, hold on, side note, I'd like-

• 28:01Speaker 02

  QAnon feels like a fever dream right now.

• 28:04Robert Evans?

  It's still there. Yeah, I mean, we've moved past it too.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, wait, that happened.

• 28:08Robert Evans?

  We've moved past it in a lot of ways.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Because of our nature of work. Yeah, because our nature of work, we know it's still kind of there. But I was just like, bro, them fools went to the, they stormed the Capitol.

• 28:19Robert Evans?

  They stormed the Capitol. They, they won. A lot of them got into positions of power. And they seem almost to, like, I think a lot of the folks who have gotten into power, who started out being Q-pilled, a decent chunk of them have had to even pull back somewhat. Because once you're in office, you can't, like, there's not a lot that you can carry further from a lot of the QAnon shit, right?

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a real job. Once you get to, it's like, this is actually a real job.

• 28:43Robert Evans?

  I got like stuffed, I'm in a grifting too, but like, I can't, I can't keep talking about how all of my colleagues that I work with every day have secretly been executed. Like, that doesn't make much sense. I share a desk with this guy.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  I do love, I do love the idea of a conspiracy theorist, you know, as pilled as that. And then you get to finally like the deputy director of the, I don't know, Interior for Agriculture. And you're like, oh, it's just spreadsheets.

• 29:14Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Everybody here is just doing spreadsheets. And now I'm one of them. And I don't, what do I, what do I do?

• 29:23Robert Evans?

  It's the sad thing of when you really come to, like, growing up, I, I was a conspiracy theorist. Not like in a, in a literal believer way, but as like a fandom. I enjoyed the conspiracy fandom, right? It's, it's fun.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  One of my OGs, oh, this is a diversion, but it's very funny. One of my OGs told me a joke recently and like, he called me, my man Jonathan, he called me, he said, hey, I got a joke for you. He goes, okay, this conspiracy theorist dies and he goes to heaven. And he's sitting down and he's talking to Jesus and Jesus says, hey, you know what? Ask me anything. And the guy goes, all right, JFK, what happened? And then Jesus goes, dude, it was Lee Harvey Oswald, third story, single shooter, right out the window.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  He got him, three shots, all from him. And the conspiracy theorist goes, "Man, so this thing goes higher than I even thought."

• 30:21Speaker 02

  You get it, because he thinks Jesus is in on the conspiracy also, anyway.

• 30:24Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was looking at Sophie not responding.

• 30:27Robert Evans?

  I've been saying that for years, because who else would have had the power to drop someone like JFK? You know?

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 30:34Robert Evans?

  But I, so like, I mean, obviously Bernie Sanders, but...

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 30:38Robert Evans?

  You get to, like, you get to this point where you study the world enough to realize that, like, there are conspiracies, but they're all, as you said, they're mostly guys with spreadsheets. Even conspiracies are like, they're not usually fun. They're like some guys hiding a bunch of financial crimes on a spreadsheet, or like hiding the fact that they're bribing people to put in place a law that increases their bottom line by fi- and maybe that also kills a few hundred thousand people. But they're doing it because it makes them like 8% wealthier, right?

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's only usually like four of them.

• 31:08Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Like, and nobody doesn't really know the whole story, except for maybe two of them dudes. But the idea that like, yeah, 70 countries have agreed that we're gonna lie about the, the shape of the earth, like 70, like, you know what I'm saying? For, for 60 years.

• 31:27Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:28Robert Evans?

  Yeah, they couldn't, again, like, they couldn't keep, like, we're seeing the actual conspiracy now, with like fucking Alex Preddy's murder, right? Where we all see the video of this man who is completely unarmed and was never violent, just getting executed by an ICE agent. And then the government's like, "No, he nearly killed him, he nearly killed him."

• 31:46Speaker 02

  That, my friend, is a conspiracy.

• 31:49Robert Evans?

  But it's not like, it's not fun. It's just like, oh yeah, it's just brute force of evil, just lying. And that's like, what conspiracy, it's never, seven different kinds of alien have gotten together to like hide the fact that the world leaders are drinking the blood of children in order to get high.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  You can quite literally say the exact same thing with Renee Good. She was gonna, she was gonna run this man over, literally.

• 32:14Robert Evans?

  Or fucking Epstein, right? Where it's like, yeah, it was a conspiracy. A bunch of guys looked the other way at this dude's shady financial dealings because he provided them with 15-year-old girls, right? Like, that's the conspiracy. There's no aliens.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty simple. It's not, it's not blood sacrifices.

• 32:33Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  It's young women. It's just-

• 32:35Robert Evans?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  The basic debauchery that we all know.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 32:39Robert Evans?

  And that's, that's not very fun, which is why people like Romana Didulo have juice, right? It's why all these conspiracy theory figures, why there's an appeal to them is that like, anything's better than realizing how fucked up the world is in such a banal way, and how small your power is to actually do anything as an individual. So you might as well believe that like, this guy who you met living in a fucking squat, is actually secretly in touch with the alien masters of the universe, and is the secret king of America or whatever. And if you just follow him in an RV, you know, that's way more fun.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  So much more fun.

• 33:21Robert Evans?

  Getting back to, to Romana here, right?

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:25Robert Evans?

  Christine Sarteshi has charted her earliest online presence, which seems to be an October 2006 article in a business publication that describes her as the president and CEO of Global Solutions Canada. The company description makes it seem like a rinky-dink budget version of Salesforce. You know, it's a company you have, that provides you with HR resources for your startup. And their specific specialty was recruiting engineers and geologists for the oil and gas industry. And again, maybe she tried to make a real business and it just failed. I am assuming there was an angle here. There was some way in which this was fraudulent because of who she is, right?

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, me and my buddies tried to come up with this, like, a sentence to describe like, what some sort of company like that, oh, Global Solutions LLC, well, what do we do?

• 34:13Robert Evans?

  Well, we- Global Solutions LLC, that sounds real.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, what we do is we try to integrate and synergize between two different operating systems to make sure that we can streamline the, the processes for the, we just, we center, like, just, just putting together a bunch of words.

• 34:30Robert Evans?

  I'm glad you brought up synergy, because during our first meetings with Netflix, they told us how important synergy was to them. And I said, guys, I love sinning. I'm sinning right now. I got so much synergy. I've got endless energy to sin.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 34:43Speaker 01

  This never happens.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  I got sin in me, I got sin out of me, you know what I'm saying?

• 34:47Speaker 01

  For legal reasons, this never happens.

• 34:52Robert Evans?

  It happens, so.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Never.

• 34:54Robert Evans?

  So, um, after this fucking Global Solutions geology Salesforce business, whatever that really was, uh, her subsequent ventures, she has a series of real estate corporations that are described by Sarteshi as shell corporations. And I have to assume that's definitely some sort of con, right?

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 35:14Robert Evans?

  Sarteshi concludes, "Did you low ha- also has two additional open businesses in London and Wales, uh, no substantial activity with these corporations is known. Success in the business world seems to have eluded her." Right? She's, she's not, she's not successful. She's not making money.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  So what is this? Yeah, so what does a real estate company do? Oh, well, we, we, we make sure that the-

• 35:34Robert Evans?

  Thank stuff mostly.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  The integration of, you know, our, our HR systems and our, you know, you know-

• 35:41Robert Evans?

  Send me 1,500 bucks and you'll find out.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Things and, and I'll help you out, man. We could set you guys up, you know? Yeah. Are you guys getting a gang of emails that are clearly written by AI about how you can synergize your companies?

• 35:55Robert Evans?

  I get a lot of those.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:57Robert Evans?

  I get a lot of them from PR people being like, here's an article for your website that we think your readers would love. You can post it. And it's just like talking about how cool the CEO of this company that's gonna fail in five months is.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 36:09Robert Evans?

  I love PR emails.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Oh, man, they're so great. And then I'll get a follow up, hey, just making sure you saw our last email. And I'm like, I saw it.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Go into my spam folder.

• 36:22Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  I saw it.

• 36:24Robert Evans?

  So, um, I, I, I can't judge you. I have in my secondary email 49,000 unread emails, so.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 36:33Robert Evans?

  My other one has more.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Like, you know, for the, for the listeners and observers, like, the, the bit about Robert is he's actually a very good businessman. And it's, it's pretty funny to see you click into serious-

• 36:47Robert Evans?

  Sophie's a good businessman?

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, wait, let me finish. Let me finish. Is, is when I see like the, and the switch is so quick because Sophie is like, cutthroat. This what we here for, this what we finna do, right? Like, this what I need, this the bag. Where my money, talk to me when my money ready, right? That's Sophie. And then, but you don't realize, because you know, Robert's being goofy and all of a sudden he clicks in and he says, well, actually, I think that really if we set up and you're just like, whoa, like, you know? So I just want to like, put that out there, like, Robert got a switch. He got a professional switch.

• 37:19Robert Evans?

  Did I get my MBA from Harvard?

• 37:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:22Robert Evans?

  No. No, they wouldn't let me into Harvard. No, they wouldn't. I had like a 2.8 GPA. What do you think they let me in?

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Did you, did you see my face when you started us and it's always like, wait, but Robert's a fantastic business partner because he listens to me.

• 37:37Robert Evans?

  Yeah, I'm a fantastic business partner because I let Sophie run things while I write about the Queen of Canada.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  But yeah.

• 37:44Robert Evans?

  Much, much like Bill Gates. So from other interviews conducted with people who saw her and from other interviews conducted with people who saw the Queen in her home prior to announcing that she was the Queen, we can say that D'Addulo did not live well. People have described her as living in squalor and maybe having been something of a hoarder. She was, I don't know if she was like poor, poor, but she's like not she's like lower middle class at best in terms of like income level. She seems to be struggling financially, right? We don't have a lot of context here, but this is people who saw her house were like, she was not living well. She had a room, it was crowded and not very clean or nice.

• 38:25Robert Evans?

  Like she's, she's, she's like, this is someone who's doing about as well as you'd expect, someone who was orphaned at 11 and then has to immigrate to a new country to be doing, right? Like she's not someone who's living in a rarefied air. She's struggling.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:38Robert Evans?

  Yeah. And she does not seem to have a particular position of respect or to be very well known by her neighbors, right? And partly because very few of them have come forward, if she's gotten more famous, to even say negative things about her. Which to me kind of suggests, maybe she just, maybe in this previous areas of her life, she was, if not like a shut-in, then just not someone who was very Much a part of the social life in her community, right? Maybe someone who was very isolated. Given her proclivities, we can say probably someone who spent way too much time on the internet, watching YouTube videos and reading articles about conspiracy theories, right?

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel like she was in her own head for most of her life.

• 39:17Robert Evans?

  That's the vibe I kinda get.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:20Robert Evans?

  Right? That's the vibe I kinda get. Um, Vice's Mac Lamro has noted that in one livestream, she's claimed to have been homeless at one point and to have slept on the floor of her friend's nail salon. Um, I don't see any real reason to doubt this. It seems pretty...

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, I believe both of those.

• 39:35Robert Evans?

  She lies about a lot, but that's, that's, I've known friends who've been in the same situation.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what, you know what I'm saying?

• 39:40Robert Evans?

  I've had to sleep on a few floors, you know?

• 39:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:43Robert Evans?

  Uh, for her, as for millions of other people in similar situations, the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic offered a lifeline. That year, she took the lockdown and the attendant explosion in conspiracy culture and fringe political organizing as an impetus to start her own political party, the Canada First Party of Canada. And I love that name.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 40:04Robert Evans?

  The Canada First Party of Canada. Cause what else? It could be the Canada First Party of Amer- I'm gonna start the Canada First Party of America. I think US politics should be entirely geared towards what's best for Canada. First off, give them our nukes, you know? They're better suited to them. And you know what? You guys can have Maine.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  It reminds me, we went to the RNC and they had all those signs everywhere that said, "Make America Great Once Again." And you're like...

• 40:31Robert Evans?

  Didn't we already do it?

• 40:31Speaker 02

  You just added "once."

• 40:33Robert Evans?

  Yeah. No, the Canada First Party of Can- and she's...

• 40:35Speaker 02

  The Canada First...

• 40:36Robert Evans?

  She's seeing...

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Party of Canada.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  The Canada First Party of Canada. The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Glorious.

• 40:44Robert Evans?

  She's seeing all these, number one, she's stuck inside.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:49Robert Evans?

  But everyone's stuck inside and she's seeing traffic explode, probably, just because of the things that she knows and brings up. She is familiar with a bunch of weird little, particularly a lot of alien-focused conspiracy world.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 41:03Robert Evans?

  Uh, she, she talks a lot about like the hidden, secret bases that the army's supposed to run, which we talked about in our UFO episodes. This starts out in like... New Mexico, uh, because people are trying to hide the results of some like nuclear tests. But it's turned into today, there's people believe like the Getty in Los Angeles has like a deep underground military base where they're like taking adrenochrome out of children. She's, she's big into all that. She believes in med beds, which is this, these extraterrestrial aliens have these beds that'll heal any sickness and they're trying to give them to us, but some group of evil elites is keeping them away from us, right? She believes in all of that stuff. Yes.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Was I on this, was I on the show for the, for the, for the alien conspiracy ones?

• 41:45Robert Evans?

  I don't, I don't remember who our guest was for that.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  I remember us doing it and then, and how like the CIA or the, the, yeah, the, the government was like, yeah, that's it.

• 41:56Robert Evans?

  The DIA or the military intelligence even that was fucking around more than the CIA with this.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  And they kept feeding secrets to homeboy to be like, they was like.

• 42:05Robert Evans?

  Yes. Yeah.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, no, you're, you're tapped into the conspiracy, brother. You might be on it, bro. You might be on it. Something was so great.

• 42:12Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  There's a few times, sometimes it's like, you know, like, like the reality is if he wasn't such like, uh, a flaming piece of vomit, like Trump is hilarious.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 42:25Robert Evans?

  Oh, yeah. Funny man.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  If he wasn't so evil, he'd be the funniest man ever.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  So for the government to be like, you, wait, you think area 51 is aliens?

• 42:36Robert Evans?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, come here. Let me tell you some more. Like, that's funny.

• 42:40Robert Evans?

  There's even more going on. Yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Bro, you don't even know the half, homie.

• 42:43Robert Evans?

  So that's the chunk of the conspiracy culture that she seems to be most inundated in. And during 2020, she's watching traffic to all of the different people that she watched, all these videos. It's all going up and she's seeing, you know, she's watching the news. She's seeing the protests and stuff all over the, in the US, but she's also seeing like the anti-lockdown protests. In general, it's hard not, if you have, and I think most people who have cult leader Jews have a kind of sixth sense for timing.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  For the lick, yep.

• 43:11Robert Evans?

  And, and I think for her, it's like, this is the time to try something. People are uniquely vulnerable and I could maybe get, and maybe change my shitty life if I can, if I can rally a following around me. So she starts the Canada First Party of Canada. Know Your Meme describes the party platform as generally opposed to progressive socialist and liberal ideologies, as well as what it describes as the UN's and globalist plans to turn Canada into a third world country. The website for the party seems to have been created sometime during the early summer. And by August, its Telegram page had about 17,000 members, which probably didn't translate to more than a few hundred Canadians who would call themselves members of the party.

• 43:52Robert Evans?

  But first off, for someone who's living alone in like a ho- in hoarding and like a tiny room, suddenly you got 17,000 people on your Telegram page saying they believe it. That that's gotta be addicting, right? That's like

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's gotta feel amazing.

• 44:07Robert Evans?

  That's like giving someone with a congenital predisposition towards addictive behavior their first hit of heroin, where they're like, oh no.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Oh, it's over, cuz.

• 44:14Robert Evans?

  My whole life just changed.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is what I've been waiting for.

• 44:18Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah, I've been looking for a drug to destroy my life. Thank God.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Oh, my lord. You know, it's also interesting too, like, um, and it's like, this is the part about like con artists and hustlers that I still like, I still kind of trip out on because I'm like, okay, so when I think about like, there are some, I can think of three dudes that I grew up with that I'm like, I have known for over 20 years, and I realize I know nothing about you. Like, there is a way that they, and and there there, a lot of them are like, like hustlers, you know what I'm saying?

• 44:56Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  But there was, there's a way for them to, like, really, the knowledge of knowing how much to tell you and how much not to tell you. And, but you, but it feel like, it feels like we're friends, you know what I'm saying? And I, and I do believe, like, you know what I'm saying, this person like thinks highly of me. One of the homies I remember was like, I looked up, like, this dude was in Cuba. I was like, what are you, like, he's visiting Cuba. Like, he just went to, like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, you just went to go visit, like, I'm like, I, I have known you for 20 years. You know what I mean? I'm like, I've been to your house and I realize. I don't really know you, you know, so I, I, I, I think that there's, but there's this sense of,

• 45:40Speaker 02

  like you said, just like sense, sense to know, like, time to talk, time to shut up, time to go, time to get out, like, this, this the moment, yeah.

• 45:49Robert Evans?

  It's always, it's, it's always interesting when you run into people who have that like, skill for, for leaving some stuff on the table. I had an older friend when I was in my twenties, like, I was a lot older and we would, we did like a biking club and stuff together and would hang out. And I'd known him for like two years and I, I don't even remember how it came out, but he was just like, yeah, I did three tours in Vietnam. I was like, what?

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Like, what?

• 46:11Robert Evans?

  Like, what?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:15Robert Evans?

  I didn't, you never mentioned anything, like, three, first off, three's a lot. Most people didn't do that. So that says something, what?

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, but yeah, that's, so even us knowing like what we know about her and then how much we don't know about her is like, yeah, you know, but, but I, I feel like the people that are able to stay in the hustle are the ones that don't get addicted to the attention. Like, if you love the attention, that's gonna be the downfall, yeah.

• 46:44Robert Evans?

  I don't, I don't know. I think, because I think most cult leaders are addicted to the attention, but you're right, there's something, there's a degree, there's a degree of separation you have to have from the bullshit, in order to be like, L. Ron Hubbard, I think, always knew exactly what the bullshit was, right? And that's why he had the staying power and this is the success he did. It's not that he wasn't deluded about certain things, but I think he was generally pretty aware of what reality was and was just conscious, conscious, and he loved the attention, he loved being worshipped, but he never, it, I mean, it did near the end of his life, it eventually did kind of overwhelm him, but for a very long time, he was able to keep enough of an understanding of reality,

• 47:26Speaker 02

  Enough of a distance, yeah.

• 47:27Robert Evans?

  To stay ahead of the authorities, right? It's not even about, I don't want to say like, L. Ron Hubbard was perfectly sane and rational, no, no, no.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  No, of course not.

• 47:33Robert Evans?

  But he kept enough, he had enough of an understanding of what reality was, that he didn't fall victim to his own bullshit. He lived a long life and died free, you know?

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the thing, if you can hold- Hold on to something that's like, this I know is, this is who I really am. Like, you know what I'm saying? This is who I really am. This is work. Yeah.

• 47:53Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um, so on November 20th, 2020, Romana uploaded the first YouTube video to the Canada First Party of Canada's YouTube account, featuring a song that made it sound like every movie trailer from a decade earlier. The video otherwise had featured minimally competent editing and fairly clear audio, which sets her apart from a lot of people trying to like make fake vanity political parties in this time. Sophie's gonna play you a little bit of the Canada First Party for Canada's ad here. So you can, this is her first, her first documented grift. So we gotta see this.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Yes, but before you play this, like, I'm gonna laugh every time you say the Canada First Party of Canada.

• 48:33Robert Evans?

  Party of Canada.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  I'm gonna laugh every time. Okay.

• 48:43Speaker 06

  Hello, Canada. I'm Romana Didulo. I'm the founder and the leader of Canada First. It's time for us to clean up the swamp in Ottawa, to put an end to corruption, criminality, incompetence, and lies in the government.

• 49:03Robert Evans?

  See? You know.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  She is not at.

• 49:05Robert Evans?

  It's pretty.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  All what I thought she would be.

• 49:08Robert Evans?

  No, no, and that's the thing. She's not very charismatic. She's not a great speaker. There's no riz. That's what it's so crazy. Again, there's effort, because that's a competently, it's not like unclear, the audios, it's not like good, but you're not, I've listened to a lot of these. Usually the audio's worse and stuff like this. Usually the editing's worse. Like, it was, it's like she hit a minimum bar of competence.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:33Robert Evans?

  Which is how I generally describe her as a cult leader. She's not a good one. She's a minimally competent cult leader.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  She's mid.

• 49:38Robert Evans?

  And what's interesting is that she's managed to get a lot more attention than you'd expect, given her generally low level of competence, which I find compelling.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  It's also bizarre to me that like, this isn't like, she's using the exact same, like, it's like, this is a bite. This is currently what we're saying. Like, there's already currently this. Do you copy my whole flow, bar for bar? Like, it's already currently, we're already doing the drain the swamp. Like.

• 50:05Robert Evans?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just a rip off of Trumpist populism, right?

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:09Robert Evans?

  Mixed with, you know, Trump is objectively charismatic. You may not like him, most of us don't. But he's very, to the people, he's able, a lot of people do. A lot of people pick up what he's putting down. He can give us, you know, you know, he used to be better when he was younger, but he could get, he can give a speech. She's not good at that, right? She has no stage presence. It's one of the least energetic examples of VO I've heard in the right wing populist politics game. And this is kind of the big mystery about her, right? She doesn't have any money. She doesn't have any power and she's boring as hell. Why is anyone talking about the Queen of Canada, right? Because she's, she's, she's had a lot more of an impact than you'd guess, given all this. And I think the answer I have to give is sheer persistence. She seems to have committed to launching a career for herself out of the right wing

• 50:52Robert Evans?

  fever swamps in the early days of the pandemic, and she's stuck to it tenaciously. I can imagine that watching the first four years of Trump's presidency, first three years, had given her a lot of ideas as to content and made it clear that there was no bottom floor of credibility as long as you hated vaccines in the UN, right? That's all she needed to say. And it didn't matter what, how much bullshit she was otherwise, right? That's what works with these people. This first video only gets about 24,000 views in 18 months. And the Canada First Party of Canada sputters out. And there's not really anything memorable anecdote wise about it. They don't have any fun moments. They don't have any big conventions. It's a failed grift. It's mainly interesting because of what comes next. She pivots immediately from the failure of this political party to announcing herself

• 51:37Robert Evans?

  as the Queen of Canada. And from the outside, that seems like a desperation move, right? That probably shouldn't work. It's like if Trump, if like the campaign hadn't worked and then he just started telling everyone he was secretly the King of America, you know? Like, that wouldn't seem like a well-considered pivot, right?

• 51:55Robert Evans?

  But it's going to work, right? And that's kind of what's most interesting to me about her. On May 30th, 2021, Dijillo uploaded the first video on her personal channel, announcing that she was Commander in Chief of Canada. That's before she's queen, she says that she's the Commander in Chief. The language in the video deliberately apes QAnon. She describes herself as opposed by a deep state cabal tied to a global pedophile conspiracy that she was battling alongside white hats. Which is a term that comes out of like the hacking world, right? You've got like black hat hackers and white hat hackers, right? And the black hats are people who are trying to fuck up systems for their own benefit.

• 52:34Robert Evans?

  Generally, the white hats are like the people who are generally defending against malicious hacking, right? Like, that's kind of the basic idea. I don't actually have a great handling on why white hat got taken up by the QAnon people, but it does. This is way pre-Dijillo. This is the early years of Trump that they're starting to use the term white hats to talk about like... And these are, when they use it, it means the members of the government and the intelligence services and the military who aren't part of the deep state cabal, right? They're the good guys who are fighting this secret war, you know? Now, I can't find her first video, but if you've seen one of her pronouncements, you've seen most of them. So here's an example from less than a year after May 30th, when she first makes her video.

• 53:17Robert Evans?

  This is just to give you an idea of what it looks like when she addresses her subjects. This is filmed in an RV.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  Wait, what? You said this is filmed in an RV?

• 53:29Robert Evans?

  It sure is.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  What the hell? You just knew that at the end, okay?

• 53:33Robert Evans?

  Those are RV-grade curtains, man.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:36Robert Evans?

  All right, let's go.

• 53:39Speaker 06

  My fellow Canadians, I address you today as your Queen and Commander in Chief. We are on the eve of World War III.

• 53:53Speaker 06

  I ask that everyone come as one people and one nation. And to work with the United States and all of our allies around the world. God help us and God speed.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  Oh, my Lord.

• 54:14Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  What is she? Who are you?

• 54:17Speaker 01

  What?

• 54:19Robert Evans?

  She's, she's interesting because again, no charisma, no juice seemingly. I will say she's putting some effort into dressing up, you know, the white, the white jacket thing is a good call because it does kind of look vaguely regal, you know?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:33Robert Evans?

  I'll give her that.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  She got flags.

• 54:36Robert Evans?

  Again, she puts in some effort, like it's not the zero effort version, like she's got, she makes sure everything's white behind her. It looks vaguely, but it looks almost like, kind of like an Air Force One type video.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, but it's like production, but the production value is like West Wing 1997.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  It's very much, it's very much a TV show, yeah, in the 90s about.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, 90s West Wing.

• 54:59Robert Evans?

  She's trying, but she doesn't have a lot of resources to try with, right?

• 55:03Speaker 02

  I'm so.

• 55:04Robert Evans?

  She's doing as much as she can with what she has.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  I think I'm starting to realize how she even made it to your radar and into this podcast because it's like, this is a very much of a against all odds because there is no reason we should know anything about this person based on the two things that you just showed me.

• 55:22Robert Evans?

  No, she should never have hit our, but here's the thing, part of why I'm doing this prop, this is, she's in our top four or five most requested subjects.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  That is.

• 55:33Robert Evans?

  Like anytime you go online to where people talk about like, hey, what, who should we do next? She's always prominent.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 55:40Robert Evans?

  Which is why I'm doing her, you know?

• 55:41Speaker 02

  I think now I, like I'm telling you, man, like the vision is becoming very clear to me, like where you, that you was like, okay, she's definitely like a C minus thing, but the, but the tenacity of like. How you managed to poke through and get a number one record is just, that's crazy.

• 55:59Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  With no bars.

• 56:01Robert Evans?

  Yeah, and I, I, yeah, that, that's kind of the big mystery of her. So, her first and second video, she, she puts out, trying to claim that she's now in charge of Canada. Get roughly like 14,000 views in their first year each. So there's no sign yet that this queen grift is going to take her any further than the Canada First Party of Canada. It's a little less successful, it looks like initially. But trying your hat at becoming a figure in the right wing fever swamps is a little like playing the slots, right? Each time you pull that lever, actually it's generally just a button, the levers don't really do much anymore on most modern slot machines.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:35Robert Evans?

  Whatever, every time you, you say go, right? You have a random chance of winning. And in this case, when it comes to being a right wing kind of conspiracy cult figure, winning means someone bigger in the movement catches on to your content and decides to either direct their followers your way or to play in with your bit. This is a big thing, this has been an aspect of UFO culture of like, uh, like the psychic, you know, the, the, the whole new age movement that believes that we have psychic powers where people will be like, I'll play along. Yeah, I saw those aliens too. Or that alien she's in psychic contact with, I'm also in psychic contact with, so you can trust her, right? And it's, yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  I'm confused, yeah, cause at first I was like, are they just like, are, are, are people like, you know, posting and sharing it because they think it's funny? Or like you said, like, that's what I was thinking, I was like, I feel like people are doing this ironically, but then...

• 57:29Robert Evans?

  I think that's a good chunk of it.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:32Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Even within the right wing, cause it's like, even the, even the, the, the, the brain cooked folks still got some sense to be like, well, this is just funny.

• 57:41Robert Evans?

  This seems nonsense.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:43Robert Evans?

  And I think, I think most, even most people on the right who are aware of her are like, well, this lady's a kook, right? Even most of the kooky people on the right are aware that this lady's a kook. Um, but in part, being made fun of and being ridiculous enough that you get elevated by people talking about what a bad con artist you are. Is part of how you get success in this field because it just raises your general visibility, you know, like when people are talking about you and laughing about how silly you are, that also, that's another, it's a free play of the slots, right? Because maybe somebody who can burnish your reputation, somebody else will come across your shit that way and will decide to play in, right? Or to share your stuff.

• 58:26Robert Evans?

  So it's not necessarily bad for you to be initially just seen as a figure of like mockery, you know, which I think is kind of what happens to her. But as Mac Lamro writes for Vice, quote, "The Outlander self-promotion went nowhere until a well-known QAnon figure confirmed her in early 2021. At the time, the titular Q, who drops clues for the community on 8Q, had disappeared, and Didulo stepped into the power vacuum. And if matter of months, her popularity exploded." And this is important. We're in early 2021, Joe Biden has taken office, Trump is at least temporarily, seems like he might be out of the game, right? He was not wildly popular for the first couple of months after January 6th, and Q's not doing drops anymore.

• 59:10Robert Evans?

  So there's still just as much, as we're all aware of, just as much interest in this stuff, just as many people who are on board for this nonsense right-wing conspiracy theories, but the most prominent people have kind of dropped out temporarily. And so, part of why she gets success is she just starts trying to make a name for herself at a point in which there's nothing on TV, you know? It's kind of like one of those shows that wouldn't have been a hit if there'd been anything better on, but because there's not, you know, people are like, okay, you know? So this prominent QAnon figure, who is the first guy who really gives you credibility, seems to have been a fellow who went by the username Whiplash347.

• 59:51Robert Evans?

  He runs a Telegram channel with about 300,000 followers, which makes him a fairly large fixture in the QAnon community. And like many influential Q heads, he claims to have close personal ties to Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and JFK Jr., who is deceased, but they believe is secretly alive.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I forgot, he's alive, my bad, I gotta keep up, yeah.

• 1:00:11Robert Evans?

  And you know what never dies, Prop?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Oh man, Goonies?

• 1:00:16Robert Evans?

  Well, that's true. Actually, one of the Goonies must have died, right?

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Goonies never say die.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  They never say die.

• 1:00:23Robert Evans?

  Figure out if one of the Goonies has died, and if they're all alive, hunt one of them down. Until then, we're off to ads.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

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• 1:02:13Robert Evans?

  We're back. Sophie's telling me that we are not allowed to tell people to hunt down the cast of the, of the classic film Goonies.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  They're wonderful people.

• 1:02:22Robert Evans?

  They're wonderful people. Probably don't hunt them down unless you have like a really good shot at it.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  You're gonna get kicked out of Oregon for that too, because that was shot in Oregon.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  It's very much Oregon.

• 1:02:32Robert Evans?

  I think it mostly annoys people from Oregon though, because that house, you know, that whole neighborhood probably property values are swollen as a result.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Dude, imagine, yeah, like every morning. Well, I kind of live next to a, kind of like a cult classic location. I won't say exactly where.

• 1:02:49Robert Evans?

  Don't say which it is. Let's move on from this.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. You, you got too many, too many listeners.

• 1:02:55Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:57Robert Evans?

  Hmm. Um, so in the space of a year, from like early 2021 to early 2022, uh, did you know, goes from someone who couldn't crack 15,000 views on a YouTube video to someone who in May of 2021 had close to 20,000 followers on her personal Telegram channel?

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 1:03:15Robert Evans?

  And at least hundreds of people claimed to embrace her as their rightful sovereign leader. She's eventually going to get close to like, it's going to be like 80,000 or something like that on her Telegram channel. So again, you know, the guy who kind of vouches for her has like 300,000 followers on Telegram. So she's never up to his level, but that's enough. When you've got like 80,000 people following your Telegram, you can pull out a couple of dozen folks who are going to be willing to change their lives to follow you in the real world.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  Oh, no, that's real. Yeah.

• 1:03:42Robert Evans?

  Like that, that's enough, you know? It's not enough to be a big deal, but it's enough to change your, your shitty life into something more fun.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:51Robert Evans?

  Um, so during this first year, she's not out in public yet. No one's seen her. She's not traveling immediately, right? She's mostly for the first kind of few months that she's the queen of Canada. She's just making videos and she's expanding the lore about herself. She's doing a lot of live streams. She's talking a lot in her Telegram. And, you know, she's thought this through to some extent. She knows that royalty doesn't just conjure itself up out of thin air. It's appointed by other royalty, right? You can't just say I'm the queen, some other king or something. Has to say, I'm the queen.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  It has to be some sort of lineage.

• 1:04:24Robert Evans?

  That's kinda how it works.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Robert Evans?

  Generally, yeah, I mean, initially, there's always some guy who's like, I'm the king.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Robert Evans?

  Here's what a king is, right?

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:04:32Robert Evans?

  By this point, we've got a fairly robust system of royalty in the world. Someone needs to vouch for you.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  They would kinda know all our royals. Think we kinda know them now.

• 1:04:40Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Robert Evans?

  Now, here's how researcher Christine Sarteshi summarizes Digilow's description of her own rise to power, as recounted over a series of live streams and YouTube videos. Digilow had been living with a roommate in Victoria, British Columbia, working a regular nine to five job. The two were living in a basement at night and after working her day job. Romana was secretly interacting with a man she would later reveal as His Highness David J. Carlson, married to Her Highness Sarah M. G. Carlson, who is acting in the role of Commander in Chief of the United States Air Force Academy's Civilian Command of Military Operations, which... What?

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  Who? Who?

• 1:05:18Robert Evans?

  What? That's not Commander in Chief of the Air Force Academy, Civilian Command of it.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:05:28Robert Evans?

  What?

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  You're saying words.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:31Robert Evans?

  Again, like, the Commander in Chief.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Making sure that there's a connection between the two.

• 1:05:35Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Yeah, she'll just call David Carlson the Commander in Chief of the United States and king. There's a lot that's wrong about this. It's what you'd expect. She understands America as well as you'd expect from a woman from the Philippines who's lived in Canada most of her life, which is not at all. First off, the Commander in Chief is a role that the president has.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  The president, yeah.

• 1:05:55Robert Evans?

  Where they're in charge of the military, because we're supposed to have a civilian who's in charge of the military, right?

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Robert Evans?

  It doesn't make you king. It shouldn't, right? And it's also, there's not a Commander in Chief just of the United States. Because that's also, that's not what the job is. The Commander in Chief is like oversight of the military.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  So funny.

• 1:06:13Robert Evans?

  You're not commanding in chief of the country, right? That's not what that means.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  It's so funny, dude.

• 1:06:18Robert Evans?

  There's a lot that's wrong about this.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  That's why I'm like, that's why I'm like, y'all have to be laughing at her. Because that is funny.

• 1:06:28Robert Evans?

  She does this too with Canada where she will kind of sometime, especially earlier on, she would sort of, she would refer to herself as the commander in chief and the queen as if they were the same job. And they're not.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:06:39Robert Evans?

  They never have been. It's just kind of, I think, a misunderstanding, or she just likes the way the terms sound.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  Also, Canadians, Canadians, from my experience, are actually pretty well versed in like, American history and politics. So like, for her to even say that is like-

• 1:06:55Robert Evans?

  Not Romana. Not Romana.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:00Robert Evans?

  For a while, I think the overwhelming suspicion was that David Carlson was not a real dude.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Robert Evans?

  But after she mentioned him, he pops up being a very real guy in Arizona, who does in fact claim to be the king of the Kingdom of America.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Sorry, every time.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Yes. Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Angels of Anaheim, every time.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:25Robert Evans?

  Okay. Um, I don't know-

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  Robert does not get the joke, I fear.

• 1:07:29Robert Evans?

  Were she and David marping behind the scenes, right? Like, was he pretending to be the king to her? And she found him on like, his weird king website? And they started talking? And he appointed her? I don't know. Or did she start claiming this about him? And then he, like, it's a little unclear to me what came first, like, what the chicken or the egg is in this situation? But she claims David appointed her Queen of Canada in 2017. Now, this can't be true.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Of course not, because she wasn't-

• 1:07:53Robert Evans?

  There's no evidence of her, she wasn't a figure then, right? She wasn't saying shit.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  It wasn't the play then.

• 1:07:59Robert Evans?

  We have no evidence that, right. We have no evidence she thought of this until 2021. But the story needs to date back to 2017, to make room for another crucial piece of Romana's hastily contrived and poorly conceived backstory. According to this tale, King David Carlson became aware of Romana and made her the Queen of Canada after she saved Canada from an underground invasion by the Chinese Communist military.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:08:25Robert Evans?

  Single-handedly.

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  That is wonderful.

• 1:08:33Robert Evans?

  Now, Prop, you have to react. I think a lot of Canadians are gonna have a similar reaction because, and it's sad, you know, in America, we have the Korean War is our forgotten war, right? Americans just don't know a lot about the Korean War.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, we just don't know.

• 1:08:45Robert Evans?

  And I think Canada, we can all agree, Canada's forgotten war is that time China invaded through a series of underground tunnels.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  From underground.

• 1:08:51Robert Evans?

  And got turned back by a woman in her 50s.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Oh, my lord.

• 1:08:55Robert Evans?

  From underground.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  From underground. That is so...

• 1:08:58Robert Evans?

  From underground. I love it. Everything's gotta take place underground. She's from that chunk of the UFO community where everything's happening underground.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, everything's, yeah, there's a whole world under there.

• 1:09:08Robert Evans?

  In part, if you're like, China invaded Canada, Canadians are gonna be like, I live in Canada and I didn't see anything happen. But if you're like, no, no, no, they came up underground, they were in the tunnels. Well, maybe I haven't been to the tunnels.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  I might've missed that one. Was it up in the Yukon? Because if it was underground, it's pretty cold up there. I don't think you could burrow through. I don't think...

• 1:09:26Robert Evans?

  It's a cold place for tunnels.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Why would they do that?

• 1:09:29Robert Evans?

  I'm imagining like an us sort of situation here, which is what they're imagining, right? That's part of what that movie was inspired by. As the story goes, there were Chinese soldiers that were like being stationed in tunnels that ran from Canada through the US down to Mexico, and the Chinese army was going to invade. And they were going to invade like Canada and the US and I guess Mexico simultaneously. And as they were preparing and getting their army in place, they were using the tunnels. Because if you've got these tunnels, before they're filled with soldiers, that's a lot of a real estate outlay to buy these tunnels. So you're gonna use them for something. And the Chinese army used them to harvest adrenochrome from children, you know?

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  So a multinational tunnel? Like you said, through, through three countries?

• 1:10:15Robert Evans?

  Three, three countries. A tunnel system, presumably underneath like all of the major habitation areas of those cities, right? I would assume.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  This is incredible. This is absolutely incredible.

• 1:10:25Robert Evans?

  Yeah. Now, again, she's cribbing from some old and well-established conspiracy theories, which all have underground bases and cities and stuff about the, you know, children being abducted to provide organs and narcotics for the elite. This is, none of this is new. She's just wrapping old stuff in her conspiracy theory. Christine Sarteshi continues. Didulo claims that the Chinese Communist military is a front for the New World Order, Satanists and individuals who want to engage in eugenics. Didulo asserts that she single-handedly removed the Chinese Communist military from Canada, and additionally, the remainder of the world. It's gotta be news to China. Didulo maintains that if the Chinese Communist military attacked the United States as was planned, that it would have sparked a world war. She contends that her subterranean military achievements thus prevented World War III.

• 1:11:09Robert Evans?

  For that, she was awarded her title as queen. The entire world, she explains, should be thankful for her monumental efforts. And you know what, Prop? Let's end this episode right now by just saying thank you, Romana, for stopping the Chinese communists from destroying Canada, and I guess also America.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  I'm curious as to why your commander in chief in Arizona, like, why he ain't do nothing about it before he even got to Canada? Like, why was he not? And why would you, like, I feel like-

• 1:11:40Robert Evans?

  Why is the King of America not stopping this?

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  The King of America, I feel like I would have an issue with him.

• 1:11:44Robert Evans?

  Maybe he's down in Arizona, they haven't made it there yet.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Way down south, you could have gave me a heads up that they was coming. You know what I'm saying? I feel like-

• 1:11:52Robert Evans?

  That they were gonna invade?

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:11:55Robert Evans?

  Yeah. One thing I love about this is that it is very clearly the kind of grift that, like, someone who doesn't know much about Canada or the United States really would make. There's this almost, like, childlike vantage point where, like, obviously, if there's a queen in Canada, she must have been appointed by the King of America, right?

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  Obviously.

• 1:12:17Robert Evans?

  Because that just makes sense.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  Because, of course.

• 1:12:19Robert Evans?

  Which is, you know, I think, kind of offensive to most Canadians, even most crazy Canadians. But it makes a lot of sense, when you think about, like, Romana's backstory, that she does have this kind of outsider look where she's like, "Okay, I gotta find someone who could make me Queen of Canada, King of America."

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  About the King of America. Oh, that's so great. This is wonderful. I'm still curious, which we'll probably get into in the next episode, is like, okay, but- Where's the ba- where's the money at? Where's the bag at? Like, what are we- uh, when did- when did she get to the money? Like, what is the-

• 1:12:50Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  What's the grift?

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's the grift?

• 1:12:53Robert Evans?

  Well, I mean, the- the grift is she's going to raise money to support her quest to save Canada.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, I'mma save Canada.

• 1:13:01Robert Evans?

  You get followers and you take their money, right?

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:04Robert Evans?

  Now, again, when I first read about her exploits tunnel fighting the Chinese army, I had the same question you're all asking. How did she do that? And unfortunately, she never gives us details. She just says that she was unable to eat or sleep or think while fighting off China's invasion. And when she finally achieved victory, she wept and was allowed to eat and sleep again. I think, based on my knowledge- general knowledge of these kinds of movements, that she- she thinks- she's claiming this was a psychic battle. She wasn't fighting them in hand-to-hand combat. She was sitting in her house and became aware psychically that Chinese psychers were in tunnels underneath Canada, and she fought off China's psychic warriors.

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

  So the psychic warriors-

• 1:13:41Robert Evans?

  Using her own psychic powers, right?

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  Physically came to our tunnels. Tunnels, like, so they-

• 1:13:45Robert Evans?

  That's a little unclear to me, Prop. I- I think so, but I don't think she fought them physically.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying, but why would they phys- oh, why- why am I asking about logic?

• 1:13:55Robert Evans?

  Why are you asking the specifics on this?

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  But- but that means that, see, but see, we learning here. We learning by omission. See, that means that, like, your psychic fighting abilities has a range. It's more like radio rather than satellite. So you gotta be a little closer to Canada. So that's the best way to fight your psychic war. You gotta actually physically be on the Western Hemisphere, under our ground.

• 1:14:20Robert Evans?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Or the radio signal don't work.

• 1:14:21Robert Evans?

  That's why, again, Arizona was just too far. The King of America's psychic powers couldn't reach into Canada.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  You know what, it might be, he might have tried. It's just his signal wasn't strong enough.

• 1:14:29Robert Evans?

  Maybe the caves were made out of dolomite, which we all know blocks psychic resonance.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:14:34Robert Evans?

  You know? Um, no way to know, so-

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:37Robert Evans?

  Uh, the Queen claims that after she finished defeating the Chinese, her roommate, it sounds like she's saying her roommate walked in on her. She doesn't exactly say this, but I'm guessing she was astral projecting and then afterwards her roommate sees her and is like, "Hey, what happened?" And she's like, "I am the Queen and Commander in Chief of Canada. I defeated the Chinese communists. And if you tell anyone, I'm going to have to kill you." And that's not a joke, right? Oh, man.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  The Queen having a roommate is really funny.

• 1:15:05Robert Evans?

  It's very funny.

• 1:15:08Robert Evans?

  It's really funny.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  I'm the Queen.

• 1:15:10Robert Evans?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  I was just calling Uber each, bro. Like, seeing if you wanted something.

• 1:15:14Robert Evans?

  Do you want anything?

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  You're like, "I'm, I'm the Queen. I'm gonna need your half of the utilities bill."

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:19Robert Evans?

  Mm-hmm. Well, and here's the thing. What's funny to me is this is part of her story to her followers about like how she came to power is like, "And then I told my roommate, and my roommate started calling me Your Majesty from then on."

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  Of course she did.

• 1:15:32Robert Evans?

  And she, she's like, "He immediately recognized that I was the Queen." I think this guy might have been both joking and also like, "Well, she just threatened to kill me, so I probably don't want to push her too far." This is clearly an unwell person that I live with.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  All right, Your Majesty.

• 1:15:45Robert Evans?

  I'm just gonna say, "Your Majesty," and get on Craigslist to look for another room.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:15:49Robert Evans?

  Like, what happened?

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  Okay, Your Majesty, well, it's your turn to do the bathroom. So, I don't know if you got any of your royal subjects to come do this, but it's your turn.

• 1:15:58Robert Evans?

  Yeah. You, you still gotta clean the bathroom.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was also interested in your, your, your acknowledgement of the tunnels being made of dolomite and...

• 1:16:09Robert Evans?

  Well, I, I assume it, it blocks psychic powers, but maybe not her psychic powers, but maybe the King of America's, you know?

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, my only reference to dolomite was a pimp from the 70s.

• 1:16:20Robert Evans?

  The great films.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, okay.

• 1:16:21Robert Evans?

  He was also a pimp.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:16:22Robert Evans?

  Maybe the tunnels in Canada were made from a pimp from the 70s.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  Okay, cool. Okay, I was like, wow. No, dolomite was a real thing. Okay.

• 1:16:33Robert Evans?

  Well, everybody.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  You're killing me.

• 1:16:35Robert Evans?

  That's this episode of Behind the Bastards. Until next time, you know what you should do?

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Listen to hood politics.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  That's what...

• 1:16:43Robert Evans?

  You, you could, yeah, sure. Listen to hood politics. Listen to hood politics. And declare yourself the king or queen of whatever country you happen to be in, you know? All you have to do is defeat the Chinese military underground using your psychic powers.

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  With your brain. Yup.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  I'm gonna work really hard on that.

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