The Fraudulent Fashion Founder w/ Margaret Cho

Laci welcomes the magnetic Margaret Cho (The Bravest Knight, Margaret Cho: PsyCHO) to discuss fashion CEO Christine Hunsicker a.k.a. the “Bernie Madoff” of fashion, who wasted 350 million dollars of investor money, lied about her company’s net worth, and when the other executives at the company found out, they left her in charge for months. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Scam Goddess LIVE in a city near you. Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Margaret Cho: @margaret_cho Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.thefashionlaw.com/caastle-legal-issues-are-mounting-for-former-fashion-rental-darling/ https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2025/05/16/a-fashion-nightmare/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christine-hunsicker-charged-fraud-300-million-fashion-startup-founder/ https://wwd.com/business-news/financial/caastle-board-hunsicker-exit-liquidity-crunch-1237071592/ https://gothamgal.com/2011/05/christine-hunsicker-woman-entrepreneur-working-on-the-next-idea/ https://people.com/christine-hunsicker-fraud-scheme-tech-ceo-indicted-over-300-million-11775459 https://www.wsj.com/business/caastle-fraud-investigation-co-founder-christine-hunsicker-3475df71 https://www.thefashionlaw.com/from-fashion-tech-darling-to-rico-another-case-further-unravels-caastle-collapse/ https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/caastle-let-ceo-remain-after-learning-of-alleged-fraud

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• 2:34Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the comedy podcast, all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will find out along the way. In congregation, we have a returning member of the congregation back here today, a stand-up comedian, actress, and musician on the show. You've seen her on All American Girl, 30 Rock, Will Trent, Fire Island, all her amazing stand-up comedy specials, and so much more. She has an album out now called Lucky Gift. You can listen to that right after this episode, congregation. Okay, she's got some hymns for the church. I know, that's right. And you can catch her live on her Cholagarchy Stand-Up Comedy Tour,

• 3:19Laci Mosley?

  happening now through August. Yes, come on, Cholagarchy, an icon, a comedy legend. She is, congregation, please stand up out of your pews, your seats, your cars. And welcome, Margaret Cho, back to the show. Hi, Margaret.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  Hi, I love you, thank you.

• 3:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes, love you more, so happy that you're back.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  I'm so grateful to be back.

• 3:39Laci Mosley?

  I, um, this is random, but, and I know it's like an old thing that you did, and you're always popping and moving and shaking, but your arc on 30 Rock was one of my favorite random bits ever. And I watch 30 Rock a lot, like, over and over again, because I just think it's a show with just so many, like, AKA 47 rounds of jokes.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you, thank you. It's like, yeah, it's like a comfort show for a lot of people. Like, it's one of those things that you kind of want to watch before you're going to sleep, because it's like, you know, we need things that are comforting, and we need things that are, we know are funny from a simpler time. So, but thank you, thank you, that was a lot of fun to do.

• 4:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's iconic. I've always wanted to do something like that, where like, people can watch it for years and years to come, you know what I mean? Because like, there's so many jokes. Every time I watch it again, I find something new and funny about you, about everyone, and so it's very, it's very lovely.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, everybody's so funny. It's a really, it was a really fun thing to do. Thank you.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for, for bringing all this talent to the world. We appreciate it. Now, I have to ask you, Margaret, like, since we've spoken, you know, what has your relationship with Scam has been? Have there been any that have been quite titillating to you? Or has anything happened to you? Could literally be anything.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  So this is very rare. I actually jumped into the DMs of a very famous person who I wanted to date. And I've never done this, but we started talking and I gave them my phone number. And then I got a text right away, but it didn't seem like it was from that person. It was, hi, I'm so glad that I have your number and I just wanna see what you're doing. And it didn't sound like the same person. And I was like, this is not the same. And I didn't wanna go in the DMs. Did you text me? Like, I didn't wanna say anything like that. Like, I just was like, I just let it sit on it. And then I waited for a day, cuz I thought it was one of those texts like, you know, hey, we're supposed to go golfing, or you know, like those weird fishing things.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  Like, okay, I'll meet you at the doctor's office, you know, those things. And it sounded like one of those. But I also had just given this person in my DMs my number. So I did, I, it was so awkward. So I like waited a day. And then finally, I wrote back and I'm like, um, is this the person that I was talking to? And they're like, no, it's Roberta. And then it was a picture of like a beautiful Asian woman.

• 5:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Lord Jesus.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  And it was like one of those, and I was like so angry. So the movie star didn't work out. And, but I was so mad that it was a timing was that I thought it was that person.

• 6:08Laci Mosley?

  So was this a chance where the scammer just kinda got like some kismet luck and it was a coincidence?

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Total coincidence, total coincidence. But I actually get those things pretty often, like those weird phishing texts. Like, this is the doctor speaking and you have an appointment, or you were supposed to meet up and play golf, or, hey, mom? Dad, is this your number still? Like, I get so many of those. And I think it's because I got scammed before a few years ago during the pandemic, when I tried to buy a cat online.

• 6:37Laci Mosley?

  I remember you telling me about that.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, when I tried to buy a cat online. So I think I'm on a register where people are like, she's an easy mark.

• 6:45Laci Mosley?

  Not they shared our numbers like the data breach. I'm, I'm fully convinced, I'm putting on my tin hat, but I'm fully convinced that those data breaches are literally just companies selling our information and then acting like, oh my God, we don't know who did it. But just so you know, like we, we gave them everything. Once you bought that, you know, um Toyota Camry. Like, what do you mean?

• 7:05Speaker 04

  You're right. You're totally right because that's, that's exactly what they've been doing. But it's like, I've just been breached so many times because I refuse to change my number. I don't really know how to do anything. Like I'm very like lax on stuff. So I definitely, and I've been to scam before. And you know, that cat scam got me for a couple of thousand dollars.

• 7:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I remember that one. Ouch. Everyone wanted a pet. Everyone wanted someone to cuddle. We were all indoors. It's like, it's one of the nastiest scams to do. It's like, people just want connection.

• 7:36Speaker 04

  For a little animal and showing me all these cute pictures of kitties. And so it was just very, it was rough. So I think, but you know, when you get marked as like, uh, somebody who can be conned, they never want to let you go.

• 7:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh no. Once they think they can get you, once they, they're gonna spin the block again and again. And I feel like with this situation, it's unique because it, this is one of the scams that I haven't ever gotten to the end game of. Like when you talked about the like, oh, I'm your mom or oh, the doctor. I've gotten the golfing one a lot. Or it's like, hey girl, like you're late for lunch. And I'm like, I don't know who this is. And they're like, oh, it's me so and so. Then they send a picture and it's always some conventionally attractive, you know, like East European woman. And I try to keep it going. Like I've tried a couple of times. The next time I'm not gonna fail. Because I got a little too cocky and I was like talking back to the person. I was like, oh girl, like I don't know you, but you seem cool. Like we should link up, like we should golf or whatever, whatever. I got pretty far in the conversation. Cause I'm trying to figure out what do you want?

• 8:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, what do they want?

• 8:32Laci Mosley?

  And so I was so excited because I got pretty far that I put a screenshot on my Instagram story and I was like, y'all, I'm getting close. As soon as I put that screenshot up, they were like, oh, never mind. Uh, this is the wrong person. And they stopped talking to me. And I'm like, fuck, they must be watching my stories. This is somebody who somehow has gotten my information. I was like, damn it.

• 8:51Speaker 04

  They, they put it together. They, they, they were like, this is too easy because what they want. Is somebody that's old, who's lonely, who's vulnerable, that they can build a relationship with. I mean, that's basically, they're just looking for an entry into conversation. Where they can either talk you into doing some kind of Bitcoin crypto investment scam. Or something to that effect.

• 9:14Laci Mosley?

  They wanna take you to WhatsApp, they wanna take you to Signal, they definitely like, never go to a second location, that, that works for phones as well.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  We're not going to WhatsApp, we're not going to Signal, we're not going to Telegram. No, there's no, it is exactly like, that's where they kill you, in the second location. So we have to be very, very aware, but I think they're just looking for people who are lonely. They don't like it when people actually actively try to waste their time. You know?

• 9:41Laci Mosley?

  Now they offended, I'm like, you trying to waste my money?

• 9:44Speaker 04

  Aware of it, yeah, they're aware of it.

• 9:46Laci Mosley?

  And the thing too is that, I feel like, when you said the part about, like, you don't change your passwords, you don't change your number, like, I absolutely understand that. And for those people out there who are, you know, um, doing what Margaret Cho's doing, who are part of the Cho oligarchy. You know, tickets right now, y'all.

• 10:05Laci Mosley?

  I think that it's not a bad thing to operate that way. Just know that if a scammer emails you or reaches out to you and it's like, hey, I have your password. Or, hey, I have your number, hey, I know where you live, or da da da da. If they had enough information to take anything from you, they wouldn't reach out to you.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 10:22Laci Mosley?

  So don't get scared, don't engage. I've had people send me photos of myself, and we're like, I know this is you, and I'm gonna expose you. I don't respond to that email, cause bitch, okay, do it, waste your time, bitch, I don't give a fuck, I look good in that picture.

• 10:39Speaker 04

  I mean, who cares, like, it's like, that's, that's what's really sad, is when people really get stuck with fear, and they're like, so afraid. That their friends and family are going to find out about certain things or whatever, and it's just, that's, that's a whole nother level of scam. That's like sex extortion or extortion, where it's really, that's really evil, and that's unfortunately, the reality for a lot of. Like teenagers now have to deal with that kind of stuff, which I think, I, I mean, I'm, I'm just so glad that I'm sort of like numb to it. And I don't really care, but, um, yeah, people can get, you can get done with that, that kind of stuff.

• 11:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cause I mean, that's one of the biggest currencies in scams, is fear, and shame.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:20Laci Mosley?

  Shame especially, because shame is like. Like the next step of fear, you know what I mean? So it's like fear is the root, but shame is like the mask. It's like the fear is that you're gonna be embarrassed.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 11:32Laci Mosley?

  I absolutely understand people wanna cover that up, but that's how a lot of scammers continue to get away with things.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  That's how they operate. It's their ammunition. And it's, it's really, I mean, that, that's really sad. But yeah, the fact that that exists and it's such a big industry. They make billions of dollars.

• 11:47Laci Mosley?

  I mean, look at our president. Look at all these MAGA people still hanging on. And it's simply because they're so ashamed to say that they got God and that they were foolish. And then there's some people who are just like, "Look, I, I want the world to burn. Like, I didn't get what I was promised in the white contract, so all the browns gotta die." You know, you got those people. But then you also have the people who are like, "No, I believe in him. I don't know what the fuck he stands for or what the fuck he's doing." But they're just like, "I don't wanna be proven a fool. I'm too ashamed."

• 12:14Speaker 04

  Right. They're too ashamed. It's just they're embarrassed. It's a sunk cost fallacy. You know, they've bought so, into it so much. They bought so much Trump merch and they can't go back.

• 12:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And also like, I don't know why they didn't realize when their president kept selling their merch, like, once he was in office, like, "Bro, this is a grift." I had one Obama t-shirt and I wore it. Oh, I had two, cuz they was cute. It was two little different ones. Cuz the first, well, for both elections, for one for different elections, cuz the first election I couldn't vote. And then the second I could. But I like block walked and phone banked and did whatever I could.

• 12:43Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 12:44Laci Mosley?

  For the first one. But like, I had those two t-shirts. I don't know where those shirts are. Like, I would wear one to work out every now and then. But like, why are y'all wearing merch? Like, y'all going to his concert every day? Like, you don't think that's strange? You don't think that's strange? He always, he got a gold shoe for y'all. He got a card. He got earrings, bitcoin. You don't think it's weird he's slanging? Like, like, imagine if you were in the White House and the president was like, "Bruh, man from Martin." And he just opened his trench coat and he was like, "Hey, y'all, the president got all this stuff for y'all. Wish I want two for five, five for thirty." Like, what, what are we doing?

• 13:16Speaker 04

  He's such a scammer. It's like, he scam, yeah, he scammed us so much.

• 13:21Laci Mosley?

  But the shame of it all is like really what I wanted to like link in with. And I'm sorry that it didn't work out like what you're shooting your shot. But I mean, you got a response though.

• 13:30Speaker 04

  I did, I did. We had it. We had a nice conversation and it's just, it was really, it was the first time I had ever done that. But that's why I, I just got got by the scammer because it was the timing.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they got lucky.

• 13:41Speaker 04

  They got really lucky and I could have just fallen in, but it's, it's good, it's good that it didn't work out. I mean, I just really expect scams. I listen to your podcast so much and watch your TV shows so much that I just, I think everything is a scam. Which is really you're educating the people. We now, we're in the congregation. We think everything is a scam. So we're always looking out for ourselves.

• 14:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And I think in, in some way, everything can be a scam. It doesn't mean everything is a scam, but everything can be a scam. Which I don't want people to be like pessimistic or like scared, but I think having that mentality, exactly what you just said, Margaret, like I love that that's what you took from it. Because that mentality keeps you safe. Because the people who think it could never happen to me, that's where it happens too. Because you see all these red flags. You're like, it could never happen to me. It could never happen to me. And, and it's like, no, baby, it's happening to you right now. And because you refuse to believe it would, you're gonna wake up one day and it did.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly.

• 14:42Laci Mosley?

  Let's get into our historic hoodwink today. Today, we're going to be talking about fashion CEO Christine Hunsicker. AKA the Bernie Madoff of fashion. Uh, yes, Christine wasted $350 million of investor money. Lied about her company's net worth. And when the other executives at the company found out, they left her in charge for months. So once they busted her, they were like, well, okay, so she is giving fashion. Christine's got it.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  She's very, she's also very stock photography.

• 15:17Laci Mosley?

  She is very.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  It's giving very stock photographer, like stock photography.

• 15:22Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you're absolutely right. Like, this could definitely be like a LensCrafters commercial. Like, I could go into like a, an eye doctor and they would have her photo up. I don't think those glasses have prescription, but.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  No, but it is very like, I, I, you know, I, I need some, I need a 2020 vision. And I, you know, it's very like an ad.

• 15:43Laci Mosley?

  She's giving me barista at a local cafe, employee of the month.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, definitely, definitely.

• 15:49Laci Mosley?

  So, the Huntsticker proxy. So Christine was born in Pennsylvania, okay, shout out to PA, and went to Princeton, okay, where she played field hockey and learned German for her medieval studies minor. All of this is adding up with this photo. I'm seeing Princeton, I'm seeing field hockey, I'm seeing medieval studies. Cause ma'am, what was you gonna do with that? This is like 2007, but okay. Sure. So one of her early jobs was a project manager for Right Media, an online advertising startup in New York. She was promoted to president before Right Media was sold to Yahoo for $850 million in 2007. Now Yahoo, see y'all made a lot of bad financial decisions, cause I never even knew about Right Media.

• 16:33Laci Mosley?

  I don't think they deserved $850 million of your dollars. No, never seen this logo in my life.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 16:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Yahoo made a lot of poor decisions. I mean, they're still hanging on. I know I still have my email over there for spam.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  That's good, that's good.

• 16:47Laci Mosley?

  And anytime I sign up for like a clothing land, you know, and they're like, who wanna sign up for a discount? I'm like, oh yeah, here's my Yahoo.

• 16:55Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a good idea. That's smart.

• 16:57Laci Mosley?

  So after taking a year off to get Scuba certified, this lady just be doing anything.

• 17:02Speaker 04

  Busy, yeah.

• 17:03Laci Mosley?

  She took a job at another tech startup called drop.io. An online file sharing service that was purchased by Facebook for $10 million in 2010. Why wasn't I just making up tech stuff with boring logos in the early 2000s? Because.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  That's what everybody was doing. They were just buying.

• 17:22Laci Mosley?

  The girls were buying it up.

• 17:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were spending money on that.

• 17:25Laci Mosley?

  Like Mark Zuckerberg bought this? Like, I've never seen this on Facebook, never dropped a drop. Oh, this was genius. Man, we should have just been buying up domains in 2000. What were we doing? I should have got what Danica Patrick told us. She said, go on GoDaddy and get these domains. And I played. So she got Scoop certified, right? She got drop.io, sells that to Mark Zuckerberg's. And Zuckerberg had really only bought it because he wanted to hire one of their employees, Sam Lessin. The rest of the company shut down and the employees were laid off. So this was a vanity purchase. So Sam was like, if you want to get me, you gotta get my company. Love how this works for people. In 2011, Christine finally launched her own startup.

• 18:09Laci Mosley?

  And this was called Gwynnie B., a subscription service renting everyday clothes to women's sizes 10 to 32. For a monthly fee, you could get a few items of clothing sent to you with a prepaid return package. So when you sent those items back, your next batch would ship. And Gwynnie B. would take care of the washing, dry cleaning, all the stuff that you returned. They also had a size advisor tool, which would recommend a size to pick like from each brand. And Christina hit the jackpot again. Honestly, Christine got hella ideas.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  This is actually a good idea, though. I mean, it is hard, you know, especially like midsize or plus size. It's hard to find those basics that you like. It's also hard to go out, you know, shopping and stuff like that.

• 18:57Laci Mosley?

  Because in the store, they only carry up to a certain size. A lot of people don't have the, you know, they don't go along the plus size.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:04Laci Mosley?

  Or plus size to them is like a 14 and that's where they stop. And it's like, yeah, so if you can't buy it in the store, it's hard to find online. Sourcing it all together at one place, and at least from what I'm looking at at the website right here, the outfits and stuff, especially for the time, this is like early 2000s. This is what the girls were wearing, you know what I mean? The jean jackets, the, even those like tops with the kind of like, like what would you call that little beam that you knit? At the top with the flower and border mint?

• 19:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, or you know they've got a cold shoulder.

• 19:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  They're gonna give you a cold shoulder, like they're always gonna have a cold shoulder. I don't know what that is, but yeah, like the hu- the whole thing about it is it's hard to find plus sizes that are cute, that are, if you wanna change up your look that often, it's nice. I mean, I think that it's, it's nice for, you know, to, for people who are the, the size to feel like, oh, I'm a, being accommodated, I'm being sold to, this is good, this is a good idea.

• 20:01Laci Mosley?

  Especially because of our demos in America, a lot of people are plus size. And then their, their clothing is treated like an afterthought. And it's, I have some plus size friends who, um, somewhere in the industry are always talking about, they were like, I don't understand why they think that plus size people wanna wear cheater print all the time. I don't understand why they think we need ruffles. They love to put a ruffle on it, a cheater print, like you said, an exposed shoulder. They're like, we'll let you show a little top of the shoulder, girl, that's all you get. That's all you get now.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:27Laci Mosley?

  Like, so. So this is a genius idea to me. Damn, girl, why you have to go into crime? You doing something good for the community. So, Project Runway Fashion Startup. So this is when Christine, Christine, she becomes a, yeah, she becomes a rising star in the fashion world. She was on Crane's New York Business Forty Under Forty list. What I tell you about them lists, if, if somebody try to put you on the list, or if your publicist try to put you on a Forty Under Forty, Thirty Under Thirty, you're going to jail. You're going to jail. Just look up the pipeline, don't do it.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 20:59Laci Mosley?

  So she, she got on the Forty Under Forty list and was one of Inc.'s most impressive women entrepreneurs and was recognized by the National Retail Federation as a pioneer shaping the future of retail. I agree with all of this.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:12Laci Mosley?

  In 2016, she appeared as a judge on Project Runway Fashion Startup. Okay, she was over there with Heidi and them.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 21:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And wait, is that Nigel? Zoom in on that photo. Oh no, that's another white man. But okay, so this is the, the more fashion runway startup business. This is like the, the Shark Tank of fashion.

• 21:33Speaker 04

  Oh, wow, okay, yeah, uh-huh.

• 21:35Laci Mosley?

  Cause none of these people look like models, no shade. It's just like, you know, Heidi looks. Yeah. So, um, yeah, so she's on there like the Shark Tank for clothes. Interestingly, the other investors and judges on the show decided Christine had the best poker face because she was good at saying one thing backstage and doing another on camera. So Christine was on top of the world. Gwynnie B worked well, her users enjoyed it, and so of course, it was time to make a change. I wonder what they mean by poker face? Let's see.

• 22:07Speaker 05

  Gary has an amazing poker face that Rebecca, she doesn't let you in on what she's thinking about.

• 22:13Speaker 06

  I'd have to say Christine had the best poker face.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  The best poker face is Christine. Never know what she's thinking. Sometimes she's quiet and you think she's completely disinterested. And then she surprises us all by baking the biggest investment.

• 22:26Laci Mosley?

  Who had the best poker face? Obviously me.

• 22:28Speaker 06

  She surprised us. We would talk a little bit in our boardroom.

• 22:31Laci Mosley?

  We would speak off camera and then I would come on and do something completely different than what I had just committed to.

• 22:37Speaker 06

  She would come out and surprise us. We realized that we've got to be a little more careful and less candid in the boardroom.

• 22:43Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. So this is giving me like a little bit of shade of like, we all made a decision of what we were gonna put in investment wise and like, she was like, yeah, tell me how your idea, tell me your idea. What's your idea? Yeah, that's crazy. I'm thinking the same as you. I'm thinking the same as you. I like what you're thinking. And then she get out there and be like, I want it all.

• 23:04Speaker 05

  Totally, totally.

• 23:05Laci Mosley?

  It's getting unscrupulous.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  It's very unscrupulous. It's very unscrupulous.

• 23:10Laci Mosley?

  It was giving, like, how can we say that she's untrustworthy? Like, what?

• 23:15Speaker 05

  She's cutthroat. She wants the money. That's all she cares about.

• 23:18Laci Mosley?

  Right. They was all basically saying like, yeah, Christine be lying to us. Christine lied to us every day.

• 23:23Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 23:23Laci Mosley?

  If Christine talking, she lying. Mm-hmm. But we love that. We love that. I was like, ooh, I gotta start stepping up my lie game. No, okay. So I don't know why if things are working, don't keep expanding on these things and working on these things. But clearly she's a serial entrepreneur, which is my loving title for scammers who have to keep moving into other fields. So she starts something called Castle with two As. She rebranded Gwinney B as Castle. Instead of being a subscription clothing rental company, it would be the tech that helped existing brands run their own subscription services. Christine called it clothing as a service or CAS. Okay.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  And that's why she renamed the business Castle. Castle was supposed to manage all aspects of the service for retail partners from consumer facing websites to the cleaning and shipping of garments to custom service. Retailers like Express or Ralph Lauren would pay Castle a per user per month fee to run their rental services. Each retailer would set their own monthly subscription rate to like from forty nine ninety five to a hundred and sixty dollars a month for three or four items. Christine and Castle was like, it was like a high growth, private company doing bofo business for like Express, Ralph Lauren, Ann Taylor, Banana Republic, Vince. And they were providing retail rental technology behind the scenes, but customers would never know Castle was involved.

• 24:52Laci Mosley?

  So basically she realized that with Gwinney B, she had made all the infrastructure to do this like rental clothing type situation. Then she was like, well, why am I doing this for one company when I can get my hands up in everybody's business? And the consumer doesn't even need to know. So they keep to keep their brand equity and I get to get my coins. And this kind of reminds me of like, I don't know if this is a secret, but you know, when you get styled for an event or something, sometimes you decide you want to purchase the look because you like the look and you want to have it in your closet. But other times there are certain stores that your stylist can go to pull things for you to wear. And then they're dry cleaned and they're returned and you pay a certain percentage of the whole price, but you don't pay for the whole thing because you're not going to keep it.

• 25:36Laci Mosley?

  Because sometimes when you photograph something is dead or I've, you know, worn some outfits that are so extravagant that I'm like, where am I going to wear this? Yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:45Laci Mosley?

  So it's like that, but for the average, everyday consumer, which I think is pretty cool. And I think that saves on waste.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it's it's better in the long run. So then fast fashion just becomes actually just slow fashion. Everybody's fashion. So you know, it doesn't have that like disposability factor. There's like a bunch of different people wearing it per season. I think it's a good idea. I mean, for like just the climate change of it all.

• 26:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so it doesn't end up in a landfill or on a bar or, you know, some seal.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  There's positive aspects to it.

• 26:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, tied up in some Fashion Nova in the ocean like.

• 26:21Laci Mosley?

  The seals are tired of wearing T moves, okay?

• 26:24Speaker 04

  No.

• 26:24Laci Mosley?

  They don't want to do it no more.

• 26:32Laci Mosley?

  So her revenue projections for twenty four or twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five were seven hundred ninety three million and one billion dollars. And she said that clothing as a service, like as a company, had hundreds of millions in cash on hand as of the mid like twenty twenty fours. So these kinds of numbers got her a three hundred fifty million dollar venture capital like investment from, you know, VCs, including Peter Thiel, you know. Notorious great guy, Peter Thiel, who says, who says that I'm not sure we need humanity no more.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm not sure. We don't need Miss Peter Thiel.

• 27:11Laci Mosley?

  She needs to go, like.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  She's just, I'm so sick of her. I'm so sick of her.

• 27:15Laci Mosley?

  Why don't you lead the way, Peters, in the end of humanity? You start and then we gonna come after you. We gonna be in line. We gonna be in line. But you jump first and then we gonna, yeah. Elon's frenemy and backer of the steroid Olympics, which we've covered on this show. But, you know, getting this money, Christine was lying. So now that I know where the money is coming from. I don't feel so bad.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  No, I don't feel so bad about it. It's fine.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  So, according to a number of lawsuits that led to bankruptcy and probably the demise of the whole company, Castle, Christine led investors, or Christine lied to investors from February 2019 up until now, the company was actually not working and she just pretended that it was. I mean, a lot of companies do that.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:03Laci Mosley?

  Like, do we think Arby's is really working? Who's going to Arby's? Is it a drug fight?

• 28:07Speaker 04

  People who love roast beef. I think, you know, I think roast beef is not really working either. I mean, who's really going to, dying on a roast beef hill? I mean, I don't know.

• 28:19Laci Mosley?

  Who eats roast beef every day with their homegirls?

• 28:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 28:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're right. The roast beef industry and Arby's, what kind of clues you y'all got going on? What are y'all transferring in that beef?

• 28:29Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 28:30Laci Mosley?

  Because you know the FDA ain't opening that beef up trying to get a taste? What kind of drugs are y'all smuggling into the, into the country? We know. So, she gave these investors falsely inflated income statements, fake audited financial statements, fictitious bank account records, and sham corporate records, which I think is pretty interesting that you could do that up until today because that's like an old school Bernie Madoff where they were literally cooking the books.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's incredible.

• 28:56Laci Mosley?

  So, she was doing sham bank statements in the 2020s?

• 29:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's pretty bold.

• 29:01Laci Mosley?

  Props. She told one investor in August of 2023 that Castle reported an operating profit of nearly $24 million in the second quarter of 2023, when its operating profit in that quarter was actually less than $30,000.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 29:17Laci Mosley?

  For the year overall.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 29:20Laci Mosley?

  The company was operating at a loss of $80 million, at a loss, in the written.

• 29:28Laci Mosley?

  Like, girl, the lies. One fake bank account screenshot, which Christine showed an investor, showed that Castle had nearly $200 million in available cash. At the time, they actually had less than $200,000.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  So, she was just like, add some zeros to that.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  Just add, that's all she did. Not even that really creative. She just added a couple of zeros. That's so great.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  It really is. Because now I think about falsifying a bank statement, if everything else looks legit and all you did was just go in there and add one little zero?

• 29:58Speaker 04

  That's all. That's all.

• 30:00Laci Mosley?

  Move a comma. I don't know.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Easy, it's easy.

• 30:03Laci Mosley?

  Classy. So fake financial supported Christine's story that Castle was about to go public and get bought by a bigger company. In 2023, she was confronted over providing an investor with a fake audit and she claimed it was a one-time error. You know how that one time you give somebody a fake audit?

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Everybody makes mistakes.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  You know, it happens.

• 30:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, one time you give them a fake audit and you're like, oops, whoop-de-doo, and then it's gonna be real the next time.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:33Laci Mosley?

  So in 2024, she forged a board director's signature to raise more than $20 million for the company. So now she's forging signatures.

• 30:41Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:42Laci Mosley?

  I mean, maybe all these side quests that she took are really paying off. I don't know where the medieval studies is happening, but maybe it's like in Subjuge.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  Or just like adding, maybe they did that in the middle, like ages is just add zeros. Did they have zeros then? Or they just got made? No, they, they had zeros then.

• 30:59Laci Mosley?

  They had zeros then, yeah. So she, that's how she learned how to like fuck with the coffers. And you know, make it seem like the king had coin when the king was broke. So she made more than $275 million from misinformed investments before forming another company called P180 in 2024. But P180 only existed to infuse Castle with more cash before its investors could discover the fraud. So she was like, y'all get involved in P180. This is my new thing. And then she was basically robbing Peter to pay Paul.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  I don't even know what P180 does, but it does sound like they're gonna turn it around.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  It sounds like that, that, that really hard workout. Remember that hard workout?

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  P18X?

• 31:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. I thought that's what it was. That workout was really hard.

• 31:46Laci Mosley?

  It was hard as fuck. Is that Sean? Oh, Sean.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  It was in, uh, and there was also insanity. It was similar to insanity. It was very tough.

• 31:55Laci Mosley?

  One of them was Sean King. Or, or what was his name? Sean, something like that. Shanti.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 32:01Laci Mosley?

  My favorite thing about Shanti was Shanti was very gay.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:05Laci Mosley?

  But Shanti wanted to keep his, uh, market. And so I think he thought he had to pretend to be straight, but it was so funny because... Because we knew he was gay.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, you could just see it. You could feel it.

• 32:18Laci Mosley?

  But he would always be trying to play up his heterosexuality while he was working. Oh, yeah, ladies.

• 32:25Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, Sean.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Look at his family. They're so cute. I love them. They're beautiful.

• 32:31Laci Mosley?

  Everybody knows you're gay. The men, the women, we don't care. The workout is killing us.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  It's fine. It's great. It was a hard workout.

• 32:37Laci Mosley?

  It was hard as hell. And honestly, like, I feel like even straight men know that if you really want that great gym body, your instructor's gonna be a gay man.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Yes, you have to. You have to go to the homosexual world.

• 32:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes, because they take the body seriously.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  That's right. That's right.

• 32:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So Brendan Hoffman was a seasoned fashion executive who previously led companies like Vince and Wolverine worldwide. He launched the company P180, inspired by a meeting with Christine. She told him Castle was a thriving business with a subscriber base in the hundreds of thousands, proprietary technology, and reported $1.4 billion in like a valuation. So after Brendan formed the company and gave Castle a 25% stake in it, he noticed unauthorized fund transfers from its bank accounts, including $1.4 million and $500,000 withdrawn in June of 2024. Then $950,000 and $450,000 withdrawn in July of 2024,

• 33:39Laci Mosley?

  and two transfers totaling $1.3 million wired to Christine's personal account in January of 2025. She was using the money to cover losses and make it look like her company still had money to spend. So the Brendan guy who came in and he was the one who developed this P180, inspired by Christine, he was like, okay, I'm gonna give you all this coin. We're gonna open this bank account. Christine was like, thank you so much. This is so wonderful, Brendan. Now, you don't need to look at the bank accounts no more. Because ma'am, what do you mean? You took one point? You took 1.4 million dollars and 500,000 dollars in June. Then, in July of that same year, you took 950,000 dollars and 450,000 dollars.

• 34:24Laci Mosley?

  You took, you took all that money in two months.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:28Laci Mosley?

  And thought he wasn't gonna notice.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  And then by January 2025, you took another 1.3 million. And you just thought he wasn't gonna notice?

• 34:36Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  Like, what? Christine was bold as hell.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  Well, it's less than she's been taking from everybody else. Like, it's actually less, so it does seem like it's a little bit to her.

• 34:46Laci Mosley?

  That's true, because, yeah, you're right. In the grand scheme, like, 350 million, if I'm working with 350 million, then I'm like 1.4. That's like a little, that's like, you know. It's like 14 hundred.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  It's like the change that falls in between the couch cushions. It's really not that much.

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're not gonna notice 1.4.

• 35:02Speaker 04

  No.

• 35:03Laci Mosley?

  You're not gonna notice 2.7.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  Mm-mm.

• 35:04Laci Mosley?

  You're not gonna notice, like, so, this is a long process of her getting kicked out. We're getting to her getting caught and her getting out. Also, can we just stop for a second and look at Brendan? He was the one who created P180. Brendan, he kinda gives me, like, rube vibes. Like, remember Christine's got the poker face, right?

• 35:21Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 35:23Laci Mosley?

  This guy to me has the opposite of a poker face.

• 35:25Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, he's definitely, you know, he's got a lot of people going, hey, you know what? You're late for golf. I thought you were gonna meet me on the golf course. He's got a lot of people like that in his DMs and on his phone.

• 35:38Laci Mosley?

  He's got, yeah, he's got, like, please like me face. He's got, like, I got money from daddy and I'm trying to be a big businessman. And so, I'm in tech, but like, clearly not his gifts. Like, I, there's no way that I believe this man made all his money on his own. Like, he's not a bootstrapper. Like, he's, he's trying to keep up with, he's like the, he's like reminding me from, like, uh, was it, who was the brother in succession, the older one who kept trying to run for president and shit?

• 36:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 36:09Laci Mosley?

  He's got that energy of just like he's spending daddy's money and trying to be Right. A big, successful man. Mm-hmm. Oh, what a rube. Oh. So, the long process of getting kicked out. So Christine, in late 2024, a money manager who worked at Castle, that works for like an investor at Castle, tried to double-check the company's past audits and wasn't able to. Not a 404 clicked on the page and was like, "Not found." Oh. He started asking more questions and brought it to the company's board of directors. The board included John Hennessy, the former president of Stanford University, and a current director of Google parent company Alphabet.

• 36:52Laci Mosley?

  Soon after, Hennessy quietly quit the board and was replaced. So Hennessy said, "Hmm, something right." And there's nothing worse to a rich person than realizing that they're not as smart as they thought they were. And that you can get rich without necessarily being the most highly intelligent person. Mm-hmm. So instead of Hennessy being like, "This bitch stole all our money. She stole all the money." He was like, "I'm gonna quietly resign. Here are my shares. Back to St. Bart's I go." Like, why didn't you just blow the whistle? Because he didn't want to be ashamed. Yeah. So sometime during this transition, an investigation was launched, and Christine apparently admitted to the board what she had done. She said, "Okay, look, I've been running a little Ponzi, just like a tiny Charles." You know? Oh.

• 37:38Laci Mosley?

  And so investors were never told about the board transition, the investigation, or the fraud. So she told the board, "Hey, this is what I did. I've been stealing, I've been robbing, and I've been, you know, criming." And they're like, "Okay, let's keep this in the hush. Let's not tell any of the investors. Honestly, I'm on board. We don't need to warn Peter Thiel." No, no. We need Peter off the planet, okay? Yeah, yeah. So many of these board members did hear from Christine, who somehow still had her job and was still asking them for more money. So she was like, "Oh, well, since I still work here, can I have some more money?" The audacity.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  It's really amazing. It's amazing.

• 38:16Laci Mosley?

  Like, what would you do in this situation? If you're caught, you say, "I did it."

• 38:20Speaker 04

  I would say, at this point, I would say, "Look, I made a mistake, and I did it, and what can I do to make it right?" Instead of, "Oh, can I have some more money?" Like, that is where you show your whiteness. Like, that's really, that's a mighty white of her.

• 38:36Laci Mosley?

  Mighty white. It's pretty palm colored. But also, maybe she was trying to get that money to make it right. Maybe she was still...

• 38:42Speaker 04

  Maybe, maybe. That's true. That's true. But how do you make it right at that point? Like, I mean, it's like, really?

• 38:49Laci Mosley?

  Where you gonna come up with 350 mil? You need more than that, actually.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:54Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it's giving me like a gambling mentality. You know, like when people lose a lot of money and they keep going to the ATM because they're like, "I just need to hit and I'll be back up."

• 39:02Speaker 04

  I know. Maybe that's what got her into this. The adrenaline of like, okay, keeping it all like going, like keeping the ruse going.

• 39:11Laci Mosley?

  Because she had a successful company with Gwynn, Gwynn, Gwynn Pool. Gwynn Thing. What was it, Gwynn B?

• 39:16Speaker 04

  She did know, she had been successful. And she sort of identifies as successful, too. Like, that's her identity, you know? And so that's why she thinks that this is possible.

• 39:27Laci Mosley?

  And I bet you, being in those types of rooms, and like, everyone's looking for their own type of currency when it comes to power. So, let's say you don't have a lot of money. You can be very religious, and piety can give you power. You know, let's say you also don't have a lot of money, but you're very beautiful. Being beautiful can give you tons of currency in this world. Let's say you're kind of fugly, but you own a Fortune 500. You know, there's rooms that you're gonna walk into and they're gonna be, "Oh, chip. Oh, there goes chip. Oh, ba-yo-ba." You know, like... And so I feel like, in the fashion industry, like, no shade, but she wasn't gonna be given all that. That's why she was on the fashion for the behind-the-scenes people. But, in, but in this world, like, they don't care what you look like. It's like, how much money do you have?

• 40:11Laci Mosley?

  What's your, you know, debt ratio? I don't know, what's your ROI? Like, these are their turn-on words. And so, and you know, in other, in other lanes, it's like, what are your follower counts? And that's your power, those spaces. So, I could see her being addicted to that.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, of course, of course.

• 40:27Laci Mosley?

  But, you know, so she asking for more money. Still bit. Christine was forced to resign from Castle's board in December 2024 and formally resigned as chief executive in March of 2025. That's when the company finally told shareholders what was going on. I find it quite interesting that they let her resign before they told the shareholders because it seems like Christine would be an excellent scapegoat for all of this.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  Right, well, she's to blame for all of this. I mean, she, you know, that's who should they should bring in. I mean, that's who they should blame because it is her fault.

• 40:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but what does she have on them? Because I've never seen men not throw a woman under the bus.

• 40:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:59Laci Mosley?

  They'll do it for less. They'll do it for fun.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  For sure, for sure.

• 41:02Laci Mosley?

  They'll be like, oh, I just, I tripped a lady and threw her under the bus this morning. I didn't know her. I don't know if she was a lady. Like, I can't believe they just let her go like this. So Castle filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy in June of 2025, leaving investors with worthless shares. Oh, look at her.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 41:20Laci Mosley?

  Looking ashamed. Whatever she was doing, all this crime really sucked the life out of her because Christine don't look like she used to.

• 41:26Speaker 04

  No, she doesn't look like a stock photo anymore.

• 41:28Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  So it's all just, yeah, she's sad. She's bummed. She's bummed.

• 41:32Laci Mosley?

  She looks stressed. She looks like she was stressing every day. She look, she bite her nails in her sleep. She wake up screaming.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 41:40Laci Mosley?

  That's how she wake up every morning. Ah, I need some coffee. It's just the norm. So, um, she's been charged with fraud, aggravated identity theft, and false statements. If you don't know what aggravated identity theft is, it's one of my favorite terms. It's like basically when like, remember she forged some board member's signatures and stuff?

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:00Laci Mosley?

  That's aggravated identity theft.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 42:03Laci Mosley?

  And so she was released on a million dollars bail after pleading not guilty to scamming investors out of $300 million in what would be one of the biggest startup frauds of all time. As a condition of her bail, she is not allowed to contact any former employees or investors. Now, they did say any former. They didn't say she couldn't start up a new tech company.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  Did she?

• 42:26Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. That is, that is, as much as we have so far, this is an ongoing case. So she has not been sentenced or, you know what I mean? She's been formally charged. She hasn't been sentenced to leaving yet. So she's currently out on bail, and I don't know what she's doing. They should have said she don't have, she can't have no access to Wi-Fi because clearly the internet is where this lady gets in trouble.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Right, right. I don't know. I wonder what happens. Like, you know, is she gonna go to prison? We'll see.

• 42:51Laci Mosley?

  I mean. Honestly, I don't want her to go to prison. Just because of the people that she stole from. Peter Thiel can suck it.

• 43:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, who cares?

• 43:02Laci Mosley?

  I feel bad for the employees, the furloughed employees. I feel bad for them. I hope they got a good little cute little check while they could. But everybody else.

• 43:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:10Laci Mosley?

  They can get in the bin.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:11Laci Mosley?

  Where would you rate the scam? As far as like ethical, unethical? Do you like Christine?

• 43:17Speaker 04

  I kinda like her. I kinda like her. I like her in the same way that I like Elizabeth Holmes. Like, I'm like, you know what, the amount of lying, you know, the people you're getting money from, all those things. Like, I, I agree with the people that she's ripping off. Like, yeah, they deserve it. And also, um, you know, it is the, the sheer audacity is kind of a wonder. Like, it's just, it's pretty amazing how much we'll, uh, empower the liars because we want to believe.

• 43:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  You know, we just are, we have an addiction to believing, you know?

• 43:53Laci Mosley?

  We really do. I mean, the one thing I will say about Elizabeth Holmes is this gets buried a lot, is that she did try to run some of those like tiny thing blood tests on real cancer patients. And that to me was so fucked up and they did not get any justice or any money. So that's the only reason that I'm like, fuck her. But everything else she did with the investors and the black turtlenecks, I was like, write all this, like.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Totally. That's fine. That's totally fine. Yeah. She totally ate that. It's really funny. Like, it's like, yeah, that's totally fine.

• 44:18Laci Mosley?

  But saying that people want to believe, I think that is so beautiful because I see that every single day. It's like we form these parasocial relationships and I joke about that all the time with this podcast because I want y'all to form a parasocial relationship. I mean, I don't show up at my house with a gun, you know?

• 44:34Laci Mosley?

  But we could be besties on the phone, like we can chat while you're on your drive. What y'all talking about right now? Uh, girl, yeah. Traffic is crazy right now, ain't it? Uh, I know, I know. What's your baby doing? Put the podcast on in one room for the baby to listen to and then put it on the other room so I can get more streams.

• 44:49Speaker 04

  Oh, that's great. That's so cute. That's so cute.

• 44:52Laci Mosley?

  That kind of thing I understand, but I'm very honest about it. But I feel like with celebrities and celebrity culture, we get to this place where we have invested kind of a little bit of our. Personalities into these people. And so when they start doing something that is inappropriate or wrong, it's very hard for us to believe it. I mean, in business especially, like you can say the same thing. It's like, I want to believe that this is going to be the next big company. I want to believe that I'm invested in the next Bitcoin. I want to believe that I'm on the ground floor of something because I want to, you know, have that success. So I'm going to say, Christine, girl, I'm on your side. And I know you were indicted and we're waiting, we're waiting for this trial because I need to see, but I'm praying for you. I hope that you don't have to go to a white collar jail

• 45:37Laci Mosley?

  because I don't want to see you in there to play in tennis with Lizzie. I want to see you free just because you scammed Peter Thiel. Like, I don't know, that's Robin Hood.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  And that, yeah, I think that is Robin Hood. Yeah, good for her, good for her.

• 45:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes. All right, well, we always ask at the end of this podcast, Margaret, where would you like people to find you? Social media, obviously your tour, like let the girls know.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  People can find me, I'm on tour and you can get tickets on margaretshow.com. I'm on Instagram at Margaret underscore show and I'm on TikTok at the Margaret show.

• 46:09Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and y'all, I'm also going on tour with Live Nation. So you can get those tickets on livenation.com as Scam Goddess, starting in the spring. And then, yeah, watch my TV show, Scam Goddess, still on Hulu right now, y'all. And then the book Scam Goddess, you can get it on audio, you can get it paper or hardcover. And then, I swear I be plugging everything. Going Dutch, yes, on Fox, you can watch that Thursdays, 9:30 Pacific.

• 46:38Laci Mosley?

  I should know these things, but yeah, Going Dutch on Fox, where I also kind of play as Scammer. So get into the things. And congregation, I want you to get out there and I want you to stay, don't stop Christine-ing, okay? Hold on to that scheming, yeah?

• 46:52Speaker 04

  Beautiful.

• 46:55Laci Mosley?

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• 46:58Laci Mosley?

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• 47:03Laci Mosley?

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• 47:22Speaker 07

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• 48:04Speaker 08

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• 48:35Speaker 09

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• 49:04Speaker 10

  Hola, es Mr. Monopoly. ¿Has soñado con ganarte 50 mil dólares para el pago inicial de una casa? O una gift Cherokee del año? Monopoly volvió a McDonald's. Y esos son algunos de los premios que podrías ganar. ¡Fue por lo tuyo! No se necesita comprar 50 estados de Estados Unidos y de C18 años o más. Consulte las reglas en playermcd.com y playermcd.com/ame para información sobre jugar sin una compra por correo antes del 2 de noviembre. El Chance Card Game termina el 8 de noviembre. El juego termina el 22 de noviembre de 2026. Detalles de los premios en las reglas. Monopoly es una marca registrada de Hasbro.