#2383 - Ian Edwards

Ian Edwards is a comic, actor, and host of the "Soccer Comic Rant" podcast. Watch his new comedy special, "Ian Edwards: Untitled," now streaming on YouTube. https://youtu.be/q_4pEVD6Y3k?si=b0IIPBNl-9vdx6Sb https://linktr.ee/ianedwardscomic Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new DraftKings customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Get 1 promo code to redeem discounted NFL Sunday Ticket subscription and max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. NFL Sunday Ticket: YouTube TV base plan (not included in this offer) required to watch Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Subscription auto renews yearly at then-current price (currently $378 for YouTube TV subscribers, or $480 for YouTube subscribers); cancel anytime. Terms, restrictions, embargoes and eligibility requirements apply. No refunds. Commercial use excluded. Addt’l terms: https://tv.youtube.com/learn/nflsundayticket/draftkings/. Offer ends 9/29/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Sup, son?

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  How is it possible that you haven't been here in the five years I've been living here?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Oh shit, it's been five years?

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, it's been five years.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  That's pretty fucking crazy.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't make any sense.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  It doesn't. I like it, though.

• 0:28Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  It's like, uh, shit, it's got the sauna walls and shit.

• 0:33Joe Rogan?

  It's very close to what the old one was. Instead of brick, we went with wood. Because we were kind of faking it with the brick in the old place.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  It was fake brick?

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't fake brick, it was real brick, but what they do is they take like, um, a mesh, and then they take real bricks and they slice them thin, and then they put up the cement and they glue the real bricks in place.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  But it's not really a brick wall, it just looks like a brick wall.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  I feel like a real brick wall should only be, the only brick wall that you show.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  You should, like, I went to a pool hall the other day and they had a plastic brick wall and I got deeply disappointed. Like, I touched it, I was like, "Oh, this is a fake brick wall. This is bullshit, this is plastic."

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a push to have like a half fake brick wall.

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  But to have like a plastic brick wall?

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's you going too far.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Did you just leave the pool hall? Like, fuck this place?

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't. No, I'm a junkie. I stayed. But the, the, the brick used to bother me, that it was fake brick at the other studio. I'm like, "We're kind of bullshitting here."

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Some people have like, uh, some comedy clubs or somebody fake a comedy spot.

• 1:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  They have the, it's just a sheet.

• 1:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Uh, like a, it's not a curtain, but...

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  A brick sheet.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  A brick sheet. Bro, just, what you got back there? Let's just show that.

• 1:49Joe Rogan?

  Just show whatever's back there.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  It's weird how that became the backdrop for a comedy club, a brick wall.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:55Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question. I don't know when it started. Maybe it started with Evening at the Improv. What was Evening at the Improv's backdrop? Was that a brick wall? It might have been that simple.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 2:05Joe Rogan?

  Because back in the 1980s, was it? Aha, look at that, that's it.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Bro, was that Ellen? It makes me wonder if that wall is real. Bro, that's Ellen. Look at that picture of Ellen. That's crazy. That's crazy. Chris Rock, Adam Sandler. Wow. Wow. When I started doing comedy, I used to go to the comic strip and they had a brick wall too. And to get on stage at the comic strip, you had to come the first Friday of every month and try to pick a number. And if you got a number, they had like a lot of things. There was like all these open micers lined up down the street. Mm-hmm. And then. This is the dreadlocks Ian's days. This is pre-dreadlocks. You didn't have dreadlocks? Nah. I might have had like twists and shit.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Please don't find none of those folks. Bro, how long have I known you? Like thirty years or some shit. Yeah, we've known each other thirty years. That's crazy. Wow, we were little babies. Yeah. Little babies. Doing the Boston. Yep. Yeah. It's crazy when I was like, like how, not how, but we just had no fucking idea. Yeah. Like how all this shit would turn out. No idea. Yeah. With no idea even how it all worked. Right. You know, you're just taking chances on stage, trying to figure out what's funny and then trying to get work. Trying to get work on the road. Mm-hmm. I just knew, once I had the inclination to do it, the moment I had the inclination to do it, I said, "Oh, I'm doing this for the rest of my life."

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Like that. Once that moment hit, so then all bets on everything else was off. And I just started just doing it and just doing it locally in Long Island. And then I remember seeing A and E, the improv, and seeing Chappelle on there. And I noticed that all the comics on Long Island that used to like be ahead of me and host the shows that I was doing the mics on. And headlined all weekend, excuse me, all weekend in Long Island. None of those comics were on TV. So I was like, I gotta get to Manhattan. Like, all the comics that were on TV were in Manhattan.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  I felt the exact same way. Living in Boston, all these guys I knew that were so funny, but none of them were on TV.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:28Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, like, I knew that the people that were on TV, then they could go anywhere. Once you're on TV, then you could go to Kansas. You could go to Miami, you can go anywhere. But if you weren't on TV, man, nobody was gonna come pay to see you, it was a risk. You know, you're out with your wife, you got a date night, like, take a chance on this motherfucker. I don't know, look at his face, his stupid fucking dreadlocks.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Whoa, whoa, whoa. I was on TV, fam.

• 4:58Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, though, right? Like, nobody, nobody knew, nobody.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  I, I feel like we knew, though, like, inside. Like, we had some type of blueprint, because we'd seen, like, successful comics.

• 5:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  But to go from, like, so, and I came here, moved to America for, like, seventeen, from Jamaica. So I, when I started watching TV, I didn't know anybody on TV.

• 5:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 5:23Joe Rogan?

  What was that like?

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Anybody on TV.

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  So, like, do you remember the first shows you saw?

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Uh, first shows, well, we have American shows on TV in Jamaica, we had one channel back then.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Was it one, or, we had one. And then, uh, so when I came here, I watched SNL, because Eddie Murphy was on that shit. So that was, uh, a requirement, I was always watching that.

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  Now I finally can figure out how old you are. Because you lying motherfucker, you won't tell anybody how old you are.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  I don't lie, I just don't tell. It's two different things, it's two different things.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  I might run past the question.

• 6:02Joe Rogan?

  I tricked you with that Eddie Murphy line, he was only on for two seasons. I got you.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  That's hilarious. Yeah, but I was five years old.

• 6:11Joe Rogan?

  Was Eddie Murphy on for two seasons or one season? I think he was on for two seasons, if I'm guessing.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't say?

• 6:25Speaker 03

  Oh, more, uh, four.

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  Was he really? Oh, you got a little room for error.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  I got a little room for error. Always got a little room for error. Come on, man.

• 6:35Joe Rogan?

  So that's three years.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  So you did the eighty-four, oh, you did the eighty-one and eighty-four?

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, eighty-one, season eighty-one, or eighty, eighty-one, eighty-two, eighty-three.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  So four seasons. So he put in his time.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:45Joe Rogan?

  There's like, uh, you know, I was saying about Cam Patterson getting on SNL now.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:50Joe Rogan?

  He might be the first guy in a long time to become a movie star from that.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  Cause it kinda went away. Kinda went away. You know, the Mike Myers days and Phil Hartman and obviously Adam Sandler and like, everybody became a movie star.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:05Joe Rogan?

  From David Spade, they all became movie stars. But then that kinda stopped, you know? And they kinda did it to themselves with all that woke bullshit.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, they're kinda like, they killed comedy movies.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Or they just picked somebody funny. Like, there's people they overlook all the time.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  That we know are funny.

• 7:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  That could be on that show. So it's good that they picked Cam. I'm gonna say some positive derogatory shit about Cam. That's number one. No, you just... Fuck Cam, number one. Fuck Cam. I remember the first time I saw Cam. And I saw Cam, we were at...

• 7:43Speaker 01

  What's, what's, what's the, that room on Six?

• 7:48Joe Rogan?

  The Vulcan?

• 7:49Speaker 01

  The Vulcan.

• 7:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  So I think I just did your room, then I went to the Vulcan, and then, they don't, and, and, uh, what's his name? Like, you're next. And then Cam was to the side, so then I knew he was next. It was like the unknown show.

• 8:05Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  So then I bring him up and I watch him. And then I had a tag for him. And I said, "I'm gonna give you this tag," after he got up stage, "I'm gonna give you this tag, but it's only gonna make you..." Better than me and you're gonna get picked up and advan- I could just tell. I was angry and I loved him at the same time. You know what I'm saying? Somebody just got it and they go, fuck this guy.

• 8:28Joe Rogan?

  They got it, yeah. You gotta celebrate it. You gotta celebrate it because we got into this as fans. You got into this as fans. And if someone's funnier than you, you gotta go, goddamn, he's funny. It'll inspire you to work.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:41Joe Rogan?

  And you can be funnier than you are, but you can only be so funny.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but this is how crazy it got. So then, two months later, I'm in LA. I see him at the store. And I said, what's up, man? You in town, blah, blah, blah, blah? He said, yeah, I'm here with my manager. It's my manager.

• 8:58Joe Rogan?

  Your manager's managing him? Oh, my god.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  I was like, I knew it. I knew it.

• 9:03Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, your manager's been ducking your calls.

• 9:08Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, I'm on a jet with Cam.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  I'm on a jet with Cam.

• 9:11Joe Rogan?

  Call you soon.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:13Joe Rogan?

  All's great.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  But that's how-

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• 11:58Speaker 01

  Close to parallels where, but the motherfucker's funny, man. He makes it look easy.

• 12:02Joe Rogan?

  He works hard.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he works hard.

• 12:04Joe Rogan?

  He works hard. He's always working. He's always on stage. He does that one minute, one new minute of Kill Tony every week. That's hard to do.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  That's hard to do.

• 12:13Joe Rogan?

  It's very hard to do.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  Like, you have to sit down and work on shit.

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  You have to. I mean, the guys who excel at it, like Ari Matti, Hans Kim, him, those guys, like, they fucking work hard.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, and a bunch of people did it for years and years and years. Like, William Montgomery is probably, I think he's the longest running guy ever.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:33Joe Rogan?

  But he's such a maniac, he can get a minute out of anything.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, he can get a minute out of coffee, like, going and getting some coffee. It's like, a big part of what his comedy is, is just his personality.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:46Joe Rogan?

  Which is great.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 12:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, because he's kind of a character. He's such a freak that when he's on stage, kind of anything is funny.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he, like... Like, you know who makes me mad? Like, when you say that, I finally just see what Will is. Because it's obvious to see what Cat Williams is.

• 13:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Like, and it's a part of him and it's his voice. And it's like, I call it a comedy cheat because I don't have it.

• 13:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  But like, they're gonna talk, it's gonna be funny.

• 13:14Joe Rogan?

  Funny.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Then if they add some writing to it, then you don't stand a chance.

• 13:17Joe Rogan?

  Joey Diaz is the ultimate.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go.

• 13:19Joe Rogan?

  Joey Diaz is the ultimate version of that. That motherfucker is funny the moment he grabs the mic.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  You're like, come on, who God gave him that?

• 13:25Joe Rogan?

  Just looking at him, everything about him, everything about him. He's just walking comedy.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:30Joe Rogan?

  And he's fearless.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he's fearless.

• 13:32Joe Rogan?

  And so he's, he looks like that, and he talks like that, and he gets on stage, you're like, oh, it's over.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's alright.

• 13:37Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you're already like...

• 13:38Speaker 01

  It's a force.

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's like, if you give your mind up to him, like, to think for me. Let me, take me on a journey. Take me on a journey and think for me. But Theo's got that a little bit, too.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and we saw Theo develop that.

• 13:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Like, through the years, and then he just started like...

• 13:57Joe Rogan?

  He just hit one time.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Drifting off and just getting to that place where you're just constantly just saying shit. And it kinda makes sense even if it doesn't.

• 14:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  And it resonates, like...

• 14:08Joe Rogan?

  Brody.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Brody, yeah.

• 14:10Joe Rogan?

  Another good example. Brody was just funny. He would 818 till I die. And you're like, he'll die and laughing. You're like, no one even knows why they're laughing when they're laughing at that. He's talking about the area code for the valley outside of LA.

• 14:26Joe Rogan?

  It's just like celebration of mediocrity in second place.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 14:31Speaker 01

  And was it Reseda?

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Of all places.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  He was the best at that. He was so infectious.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, his, his comedy was infect, it would infect you. And you'd be in the parking lot, like, repeating his lines. It was so fun.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would play this game with Brody, where I'd just treat him like an open mic'er.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  And he would just play along. So keep going up kid, man, you're gonna get better, you're gonna get better spots, don't worry about it. He's like, thank you, sir.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  And we just do it, he just went with it.

• 15:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when we were starting out, like, both of us were like, when I met you, we were just past the open mic'er, just starting to work stage. We were both kinda like in the same thing. And that's such a weird stage, cuz you kinda, no one knows what's gonna happen. No, like, there's a lot of dudes that we used to do comedy with back then that I thought were really good, and they just vanished.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  They vanished, they went out and got regular jobs and they gave up.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  And that's scary to me. Because, uh, I never want that to happen to me.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  Boy, when it does happen, it's never happy.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  The guys that I know that do that, they always get weirdly bitter. Weirdly bitter, like sinister.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:51Joe Rogan?

  They want you to fail, they do not want you to make it.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I don't want that to happen to me, I had an incident with, I don't even know if I should say his name, cuz I feel bad.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to say his name.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  So, he was in all these movies, like, big movies. You know, he was never like a major star, but he's in these movies, TV shows. He was that generation, like, uh, uh, maybe a one and a half generations before us. And he's a regular at the store, and the first time Tommy sent me to do La Jolla, I used to feature. But then Tommy booked me to headline La Jolla and told, and I don't know if this guy knew he was supposed to feature, but when he got to the club, like, when I, first of all, I brought a, a date.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  So, you're supposed to get the, you're staying in the condo, and you're supposed to get the, the, the headliner bedroom. (bleep) shit was in there.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  You know, so I had to take the.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  You said his name.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Ah shit, but I didn't say his last name.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  I know what it is.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Please bleep it out.

• 16:59Joe Rogan?

  Bling. Let's call him Bleep Bling.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Bleep Bling. Let's call him Bling. So Bling shit was in the headliner bedroom.

• 17:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  And then when we went to the store that night and he found out, like the host was on or the comic that they booked before, and then he walked out.

• 17:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  He walked out. He said, I'm headlining. So then the guy that ran the store, I think it was Ryan at the time. I don't know if he was there. He was like, just go up and we'll pay you the headline. And I was like, fine, I'll, I'll feature. I don't care. And you pay me the headline. And then Barry Winer came back in and went up all weekend. That's how it was. But it was like that bitterness that, and I.

• 17:47Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  And I feel, yeah, I feel bad, but I like, that's why I stay on stage. I'm be like, I'm, I am not gonna let that happen to me. You feel me?

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of people slack off, man. They, they just, they lose their enthusiasm. I think he had a lot of other problems too, though, right?

• 18:05Speaker 01

  And he's also from the era where they don't write new material.

• 18:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm. And they do a lot of cocaine.

• 18:16Joe Rogan?

  There was an era where those dudes cooked their brains.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:20Joe Rogan?

  So, yeah, there are the things pass you by if you don't keep up.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  Or you have to let them pass you by. If you say, yeah, I'm good.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  I had a good time. It was a lot of fun.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:31Joe Rogan?

  You can do that too.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, like, those guys that, that go and get regular jobs, maybe they're better off than the guy who's now middling for you.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 18:42Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Because that guy's probably been phoning it in for a decade and a half. He might not have the juice left to like reignite what made him funny in the first place.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's when I feel like, I'll just leave. I still got like a competitive spirit. I feel like, uh, I haven't gotten to where I want to. And I also like that space I was just talking about, like we just stream of consciousness space.

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Like, I'm kinda wanna get to that, where you could just like. Go onstage and watch the tape afterwards. I said that? I did that?

• 19:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  That, oh, that, that, that works. That just click. I just wanna have, get to that.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  You know where that comes from?

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Where?

• 19:25Joe Rogan?

  Massive stage time.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:27Joe Rogan?

  Massive amounts of stage time. The guys who have the best timing and the best, like, like Dave Attell, perfect example, that dude's got so much stage time under his belt.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:38Joe Rogan?

  So much stage time in so many different places. One of the things about Dave is he was doing that New York thing where you get in a cab and you go from one club to another club. So he's doing like five, six sets a night. At one point in time, I forget who the record had, who had the record of the most sets in a night, but dudes were up to like eleven, twelve sets a night. I don't even know how you manage it.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  I, I did seven one time in the city and I barely made any of them. And I'm like, I'm gonna get fired. They're not gonna book me again. I was, I don't wanna do, that's, that's too stressful.

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the guys who can do it are guys like Louis that could just sort of show up and just do a set and they just put him on anytime she shows up.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Which bumps me, which makes me late for my five sets.

• 20:19Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. That's always what happens. But that's always why there's always, in New York clubs, there's always a guy or two hanging around hoping somebody fucks up. And that, that happens to a lot of, I've got spots that way before where guys didn't show up. There's always that kind of a situation.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  That's how I got in the cellar the first time.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:36Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  I forgot his name. Something Schaefer. He used to wear a blazer and used to bark for the Boston. You might have been in L.A. by then.

• 20:44Joe Rogan?

  Schaefer?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, Louis Schaefer, I think.

• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  And so then he'd used to get people into the Boston.

• 20:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he used to bark like in front of the, what you're saying is like bringing people in off the street?

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he was really good at it. No, but he was a comic too.

• 20:58Joe Rogan?

  I thought you were saying bark on stage. I was so confused.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 21:01Joe Rogan?

  I was like, oh, that's a barker.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Don't expect me to complete most of my sentences. This is, yeah.

• 21:05Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's asking too much.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  It's asking too much.

• 21:07Joe Rogan?

  So, um, so what were you saying about him?

• 21:10Speaker 01

  So he was at the cellar doing the same thing and he already worked at the Boston around the corner. And then I was just going over to the cellar to hang. And he was like, somebody's missing. Do you wanna go up?

• 21:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  And I was like, bet. And I went up and then SD, he told SD, I don't know if they were recording back then, but she just started giving me spots.

• 21:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was the good thing about New York was that there was a ton of spots. If you could get in and you started getting spots and started getting a name and people knew that you were an up and coming comic, you can get, you know, you can get some work. And then you can get work on the road too. You could do Long Island.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:49Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of gigs in Long Island.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  New Jersey, you can do Connecticut. Everything's kinda close.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Everything's kinda close. But here's the thing, once I got in the city, I didn't wanna go anywhere else.

• 22:00Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  I just wanted to do the City Spots of Caroline, the Stand Up New York, the Cellar, the Boston, sometimes the Strip once in a while, because then you could just hang out in one place afterwards and kick it with everybody and just laugh.

• 22:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  So then sometimes I'd have like a college that paid way more money and I'd be like, fuck, I ain't gonna be in the city.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  This is a terrible weekend. And no matter how the gig went, you're just like, one, sometimes I'd just do the, do the upstate, tri-state, whatever gig it was, and then just head back, just storm right back to the city.

• 22:37Joe Rogan?

  You missed the hang.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  And hang.

• 22:38Joe Rogan?

  You missed the hang. That was everything.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  The hang was everything.

• 22:41Joe Rogan?

  You remember Harris Pete?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  So I did the New Year's Eve at the improv and then I drove from the improv on Melrose after the show to hang out at the Comedy Store afterwards. And he goes, that's the way to do it. You get your check somewhere else and you come back home. And it just like felt like that there, like we were all hanging. It was fun. If I had a great gig somewhere on the weekend, it was fun because I'd bring guys like you or Joey or Ari, you know, we were all together having a good time.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:10Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, the idea was like, you gotta bring at least a little bit of that out on the road with you.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:16Joe Rogan?

  Going on the road by yourself sucks.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, starting to make it sucks.

• 23:20Joe Rogan?

  Sucks.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Cause you can't afford to bring who you want with you yet. You're just still trying to establish yourself and you're away from your comedy family.

• 23:29Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  And so you're making a little money, but like the camaraderie and the hang.

• 23:36Joe Rogan?

  It's the opposite of camaraderie. You might be doing combat comedy. Some dude might step on all of your premises if he's your middle act on purpose. A lot of dudes did that. It was, it was different. It was like, oh, you're not my friend at all.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  You're trying to come up too.

• 23:51Joe Rogan?

  Not just trying to come up, but trying to come up in a dark way.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:54Joe Rogan?

  You know, there was a lot of thieves back then. Woo. Guys would steal your bits and do them before you. That were like your middle act that saw you on Thursday night and they do your bits on Friday. You gotta pay attention. You're like, what are you doing, man?

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's fucked up.

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  Cause they were in like some nowhere town and they never, they, they didn't have a real comedy community. And they just saw some guy coming in from Boston to New York and they just, I'm gonna fuck him up. You know, and it was, it's just comedy when you have a group of people like, like it was in New York or like it was in Boston. Or in LA, it's always so much more fun. If you're starting out and you're in like Pittsburgh, like how big's the scene in Pittsburgh?

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:35Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 24:36Speaker 01

  You know what I did love about New York? How brutally honest all the comics were to each other.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  So even like Patrice, like he had just dropped a special, but then he just went on this thing of like, I, I forgot the type of material he was doing, but we confronted him about that shit. Like, hey, man, that shit is hacky. And he was just doing it for a minute, just fucking around.

• 25:00Joe Rogan?

  Probably just trying to get some material back, cause he just dropped a special.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, just trying, but he didn't get upset or nothing. And then we'd, we'd tell each other shit. I, I remember I had too many black and white jokes. And they were, we did a gig out of town. And it was a bunch of black comics. We'd come back in the van and they were killing me.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  You got, you're talking about black, black people cook like this, white people cook like this.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Cause they were like, you got a lot of black and white jokes. I was like, no, I don't. And they was like, yeah, you do. And they started naming them. And I was like, oh shit.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  I do have a, I never wanted to have black people there, white people at jokes.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, the real problem is if you do short sets and then you gotta piece it together into a long set.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  I brought this one dude on the road with me once. And he had so many jokes about being a Mexican. Cause he was used to doing five minute sets, but when he had to do 20, I'm like, bro, you can't keep saying that. You're saying it over and over and over again. One thing I love about being Mexican, and then there's another, one thing I love about being Mexican, like, bro. Like, we gotta, you gotta add some spice to this soup. This is crazy. This is one flavor.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  That's how weird comedy is. It's like, there's levels to, like, first you gotta get your first five minutes.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  When you get your first five minutes, you're feeling like, I can kill. I can go from beginning to end and kill. But then, now you gotta get 10. And then you're gonna start like, you're watering down your solid five.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? You're watering, you're not getting that exhilaration that you worked so hard for in a five. But then you get to 10. And then by the time you get to 15, you could like host somewhere on the road. And then you might go out of your state, two miles out of your state. And realize, oh shit, these jokes were dependent on where I live.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  They do, they do not work here.

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  I went to, I had all these Jamaican jokes about being Jamaican, cause there's so many Jamaicans in New York. And I went with some comics to do temple. And it was in a big, it might have been where they played basketball. Like Terry Hodges was on the show, a bunch of strong black comics. And my opener was a Jamaican, about a joke about being Jamaican, my close, I killed in New York. Killed in New York. And I did the first joke, and people had been killing before me, then I went on, I did the first joke.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  More quiet than this.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  In a stadium full of people.

• 27:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  And then I start panicking on the inside, which definitely showed on the outside.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  And then I was like, let me go for my middle joke. You know, which is my second strongest joke. That didn't work. I was like, I got to do 15 minutes. I'm on my closer by the third joke.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  That bombed. And it was bad. But thank God they booed. I didn't have to struggle. So they booed. I was the only one that bombed that night.

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  And I bombed because, like, like I said, I moved here when I was 17, so I didn't have enough, like, American shit.

• 28:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  To like, like, the Jamaican shit about me growing up in Jamaica just started working. But there was a radius to that shit, you know? That shit would work in Florida. That shit would work in DC. And that shit would work in New York. And maybe one other place where there's a concentrations of like Jamaicans or Western people.

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  And American people that grew up with them.

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  That's a rough feeling. How many people in that audience?

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Man, I would say at least 2,000. Yeah, and they booed. And these assholes like, yo, we going to the after-party. You wanna go? Like, no.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  But I stayed in the hotel room and I had a great night. I watched Dumb and Dumber for the first time and laughed my ass off.

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, shows like that are important. They suck a fat dick, but they teach you, like, oh, I can't just rely on like regional stuff.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, then I realized like, oh, this, you're only gonna kill in town. Now you gotta like, figure out like, like, universal truths of comedy.

• 29:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why the real G's travel all over the world, you know, the Jimmy Cars. That guy, he goes everywhere.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, there's something to that. There's something to going everywhere. Because I've I've done comedy in other places. I took uh um I took Tony Hinchcliffe once to Sweden. We did comedy in Stockholm. And he's like, dude, I think I'm bombing. I go, no, they're laughing. And then they stopped laughing. It's just different. They're they're different in Europe. They're laughing. Like, I I listen to your set. He goes, I never got a flow going. I go, first of all, it's a big place. So you're probably not used to doing a place that's this big. And then on top of that, you're in Europe.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  And they're, you know, their English is pretty good.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  But it's not perfect. So it probably takes a couple of seconds for them to figure out, oh, very funny. Very funny, Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  I mean, what you told him is only true if you didn't get a flow going. Did you get a flow going?

• 30:26Joe Rogan?

  I got a flow going.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  So then.

• 30:28Joe Rogan?

  But there was also they were there to see me and they didn't know he was gonna be there. And they probably didn't even know what a comedy club was. You know, these are all just people that came out to see me because I was famous.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, this is like, if you know, like, this was probably more than ten years ago at least. But if you know comedy now, though, I think was a YouTube, I think kind of like, all you need now is to have a really good set and you could tour the whole world. Like James McCann, you know that dude from Australia? Very.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  If I see him, I might know who he is.

• 31:04Joe Rogan?

  Very funny.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:05Joe Rogan?

  Very funny. So funny that Shane Gillis worked with him in Australia and convinced him to move to America. And then brought him to the mothership. Curly hair, glasses.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  I seen him here, yeah.

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  Very fucking funny and very smart and really nice guy, like super, super nice guy. But he um, he's one of those guys who's like, he, like, if Shane didn't find him.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:28Joe Rogan?

  Shane found him in Australia. He was like, ready to quit comedy.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Oh, shit, that's crazy.

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  Because like, what am I doing? I can't do anything over here. It's like, it's hard. You have to be a part of these festivals. And these festivals, a lot of these festivals, like, every year, the artists will write like a new hour. You know, and it'll be like about a subject.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's another thing. They do those hours and after the year, they don't record those hours. There's so many comics in Europe, England, Australia, because I've been to those festivals, that do their hour and then retire it after the last big festival. And I said, did you record those? Because you could have like, have a backlog of shit to like, put online.

• 32:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  To catch people up with you, to create views.

• 32:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, and they probably forgot how it works too.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  But they, yeah, they weren't doing that back then, but how do you retire something without at least having like,

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  One big record of it.

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have a weird system over there. Like, I was talking to McCann about what the, the festival system is like. Because like, the festivals are kind of like the only thing in comedy. There's a few clubs. Like, there's a really good club in Melbourne. What is that club called? The Lo- the Comics Lounge in Melbourne? Is that the name of it? I worked there, uh, with Ari Matti, crazy enough. And Hinchcliffe and I did that like, nine years ago, I think. So there's some comedy clubs. I'm sure there's some in Sydney, but-

• 32:53Speaker 01

  I did one in Sydney.

• 32:54Joe Rogan?

  When you're traveling, you're doing like, these, uh, these, these comedy tours.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:59Joe Rogan?

  And so it's festival-based stuff. Like, there's a bunch of different festivals that people go to. And when they go to festivals, like, that's one of the things about like, like Scotland. When they do that Edinburgh, those guys, the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, those guys, they create a new hour every year.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:15Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta come back and talk about trauma, or talk about, you know, what it's like to be, whatever.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Right, right. Whatever stage of life they're in, whatever stage of politics they're in.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  And that's what people expect, which is interesting. Because it's not really American-style stand-up, the way you and I do it. Or the way, you know, it's traditionally done. They're doing like, story-based stand-up. Which is, you know, it's great. It's not, it's not a knock on it. It's just a different thing. And if you try to do that in America, you'd probably get steamrolled.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've seen somewhere that they look kinda one man showy. Or one woman showy, so.

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  So there's gaps of talking. And then.

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  Which is great.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Punchline, which is, which, which is fine, because like.

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  It's just a different thing.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  It's just a different.

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  You're doing a different thing, like when I'll say things that I don't believe at all, just because it's funny. It's like, cause it's a ridiculous thing to say. And to, also, I wanna get you thinking that I'm saying things that I don't believe at all, like this is just for fun. Like this, the whole thing is supposed to be for fun. This idea that comedy is supposed to be, I mean, it can be anything, right? It can be this like educational experience for taking people on a journey through your life and how you've come to this. To who you are right now, like, okay, yay, at the end you celebrate. Because you're non-binary, whatever the fuck it is, right? Like, or it can just be silly, let's have fun. Let's be silly, let's say some stupid shit that you probably shouldn't say, because it's fun.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  I need to do more to, and I, I hold back from that.

• 34:46Joe Rogan?

  Cause you live in LA.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Nah, it's just. I, I think it's just, it's just me, you know what I mean? Like I see, I like, I see you say some stuff, I see other people say some stuff, and I'm like.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  I'm like, I don't even wonder how I'm not like that, but it's making me think now, just. If I'm to get to this flow state that I wanna get to, to, to the, to the last dragon phase, you know? When you're on stage and the glow is around you, like, I might have to like step on that plank. A little bit.

• 35:20Joe Rogan?

  You have to.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  See what it feels like.

• 35:22Joe Rogan?

  You do, you do when we're hanging out.

• 35:26Joe Rogan?

  You talk bad shit when we're hanging out.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 35:30Joe Rogan?

  You say some wild shit. You just take it down a notch when you get on stage. You just gotta treat those people the same way you treat your best friends.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  I don't trust people like that, so I can't.

• 35:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't either, but that's why I take their phones away, that's why they all have their phones in the underbag. But also the phones in the yonder bag, so I want, like, it's hard for me, man, I get it. It's hard for me to not check my phone, I wanna like see if anybody texted me, I get bored for three seconds, I'm like, what's in the news? Three seconds, it's, I get it, but sticking that phone in a bag is good for everybody. It's good for us, cause we get a chance to fuck around, and we get a chance to come up with new stuff that like. There's a bunch of times you say something the first time, you're like, ooh, that did not sound good. Right, right. I gotta figure out a softer way to say it. Yes. I can feel people tighten up. Yeah, yeah. I didn't mean it that way. It's just, I'm trying to figure out the right way to say it. That's just the way it came out. It comes out bad. Right.

• 36:22Joe Rogan?

  Patrice had a great line about that. He's like, you gotta realize that a, a bad joke that offends everyone and a great joke, both come from the same place. Right. Is, I'm just trying to make you laugh. Right. It's not I'm a devious person that's gonna sneak through some agenda to ruin your mind. No, you're just trying to make people laugh. Right. But sometimes people think something's gonna be funny and it's just not. Right. And you try it and you go, fuck. And you can give up on it, or you could figure out a way to make it work. Like, there's been a, like, Chris Rock had that iconic bit.

• 37:01Joe Rogan?

  I love black people, I hate, mm. So he takes that bit and he said, it just bombed. For like, the longest ti- he could not get it to work. He's like, he knew there was something in there, but it was just bombing. Right. And I asked him how long. He said, like, a year. Oh, wow. Like, a year. And then it became iconic. Yeah, yeah. He just figured it out. And sometimes there's bits like that. They're just like, you got, you gotta take the chance at offending people. You don't mean to offend them. Your season, your shot. The NFL season is rolling and every touchdown can bring you closer to a payout with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL.

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• 39:22Speaker 01

  And I don't mind doing that. Like, I do have bits. I have bits that offend people that shouldn't even offend people. Oh, there's always gonna be that. There's always that. But there are bits where I'm like, alright, I'm going for it here. But there is like, I still have these rules about offending people. You don't want to offend them. Not that I don't want. Some people, some things that I think are ridiculous, I'm gonna go for it. Right. But there cannot be a paper trail back to me.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Where I have to apologize. Right, right, right. So I'm like, I'm like a careful protagonist or a careful antagonist. Yeah. You know, like, I do wanna antagonize. I do wanna say some shit, but I'd be like, alright, I can't say it that way. So, so, I don't know. Maybe I have to take more, more risk. I gotta figure this out. Like, like, you know how we talk about these naturally, like, we talk about Joey and we talk about Kat and all these, and Cam. I feel like there's a gear left in me. Ooh, right, yeah. That I'm, that I'm having trouble accessing. Well...

• 40:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  And I don't wanna be like them, but I feel like there's this

• 40:45Joe Rogan?

  I know what you're saying.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Freedom in my version of me.

• 40:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  No, I know exactly what you're saying. I know exactly what you're saying. And I know you can get there, too.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:54Joe Rogan?

  It's not like outside of your reach.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:57Joe Rogan?

  And I think it's numbers. I think that's a lot of, it's intention, like putting your intention on that, really, really working hard on that, and then it's numbers. A lot of it is doing numbers. You know, one of the things I found, I was doing, at my club, I was doing three nights a week, two sets a night. It was too much. It's like six hours of comedy.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:17Joe Rogan?

  But, but, it's like a guy who's training for a fight. Like, you don't want, you can't train the way you're training for a fight all year round, cuz your body will break down. So fighters, what they call peak. So they peak for, for a competition, and then they get into the last week, and the last week they coast, so their body gets a chance to recover. So they go into the fight. They're basically almost killing themselves.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:42Joe Rogan?

  But in that almost killing themselves, when you recover for that week, you come out so strong.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 41:49Joe Rogan?

  And so, I think, I was doing, I was doing that for like, I was good at that for about three months. Which is like a fight camp. And then it was like, my voice started going, and I was like, this is kinda crazy. Six hours of comedy a week is a lot. But there's some, a freedom that comes from doing that many sets is a freedom of like exploring thoughts, with a lack of tension, which holds us back. And most things that people do that are difficult, one of the key things that holds them back is attention. It's tension. It's fear. It's like you're tight. You don't feel loose and relaxed, and you know you can feel loose and relaxed, so it's very frustrating. You're like, what is that? Where is that loose thing? I know it's in there. I gotta find it.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. I remember the first time I killed.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  And it it's nothing now, but at that mo- it's nothing now, it it's always something. But when I've seen like Jerry Seinfeld at the same club kill for an hour on a weekend.

• 42:51Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  In his prime. I was like, oh shit, I I didn't really kill.

• 42:57Joe Rogan?

  I just did okay.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  But the first time, like.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  Getting a great response.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Getting a great response from beginning to end after like you're struggling, you're struggling. You barely got one joke that works.

• 43:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  And then I I went on that night and everything just hit. But not only they did just, everything just hit, I watched it. Like I, it was a real out of body experience. Like I was watching me, I was watching the audience, but I was on stage. And then when I was done and the applause and the laughter, I floated off and then it ended. And then then I was really addicted. That's when I got, cause I I got high on stage.

• 43:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  I I'd never even done drugs then, but I said, this is what drugs feels like. And I'm addicted to that.

• 43:48Joe Rogan?

  You got into the passenger ride.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:50Joe Rogan?

  So the passenger ride is when you almost feel like you're a passenger of your own act. You're so in it that and you're so like, you're so not getting in your own way.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:02Joe Rogan?

  That you or you get, you're like, the other part of you is like, we got this. Let me take care of this. Like, oh, this is so much fun. Let me sit back and watch this dude work. And you don't get in the way. That other dude, he gets in the way. It's like if you're driving with someone and they're a backseat driver, like, there's a guy coming on the right. I fucking see him, man. Relax, shit, I'm not even, I don't have my blinker on.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's people like that and they make you tense.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:24Joe Rogan?

  Right? That guy is in your head. That person who makes you tense when you're driving, that fucking backseat driver, that that is in your head.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:33Joe Rogan?

  That fucks with you all the time. Like you might think it doesn't fuck with you.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't, cause I don't. I don't even hear it or see it. I just know.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  He's there.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  That something must be there.

• 44:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if you can.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  The backseat driver.

• 44:46Joe Rogan?

  If you can control that, then you're zen. And you get to that zen place and you know you can get to that zen place and you've done it a bunch of times.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:56Joe Rogan?

  Then it's the most frustrating when you can't get there.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I did it that night without trying.

• 45:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Like, I walked onstage just like that night, just like any other night. So what was the difference with that night? That I had this passenger right?

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  Were you recording back then?

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 45:12Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 45:13Joe Rogan?

  I got lucky that I met this guy, Mike Donovan, who's a big comic in Boston. He was a big headliner in Boston, very funny guy.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  And he recorded all the sets.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  And he would bring like a fucking tape player back then.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd have to bring a whole.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  Fucking thing, you had a press and shit. Um, and he goes, you never know. He goes, there's, there's, there's one thing you might say that is like the best thing you've ever said. And it comes off the top of your head and you'll forget it.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:40Joe Rogan?

  And it might be like the best part of a bit.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:42Joe Rogan?

  You might have like a new, completely new tagline that comes in your head in the moment and it kills. And it becomes like the main punchline of the bit. Like, you have to record those. If you don't record those, you'll never get those.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  I record all my sets now.

• 45:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  And then you, I do have those moments when you're like, I didn't even remember saying that.

• 45:59Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  This is the best thing I've said in months.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's how, nobody wants to do that extra, extra work of sitting down and listening to yourself after you've already done stand-up. Like, ew.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  Yuck.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  I know.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  It's gross.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  It was, it was tough for me to get myself to listen to myself.

• 46:15Joe Rogan?

  It's hard.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:16Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, this is like, I think one of the things that we're dealing with, and this is what we try to address at the club, is that there's, there's never been like a curriculum of how to do stand-up. And there's one, there's, no one can really tell you how to do it.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  Because everybody has a totally different way of doing it.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:37Joe Rogan?

  But at least we can give you like an honest framework of how we did it and what we would, we, what we did wrong and why we think we did that, why it comes out clunky. And, and then at the club, the thing we try to do is just set it up where there's a bunch of spots. Like, so there's two days of open mic nights. They have two nights with open mic nights. And then you have the door people who are real comics. Who auditioned for the job with their act.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  So Adam has to watch their act and say, okay. You know, you've been doing this for X amount of years. You've got real potential and it's like. You get a chance to watch Colin Quinn. You get a chance to watch Ian Edwards. You get a chance to watch. Shane Gillis, all these great comedians, you know, Jimmy Carr. All these great comedians are there all the time. It's like the greatest education. In stand up that you could ever, and everyone's cool to you. Everyone's gonna be friendly. Everyone's gonna answer questions. Everyone's gonna, and. And then you got Kill Tony, which is the number one place where a comedian can break out in America today. The number one place is Kill Tony.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  If you have one good fucking minute and you could just rock the house for one minute. You could change the course of your whole life.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, that gave me chills because I've seen that.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  I've seen that there on that show.

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  Changes the course of your whole life. Forever and ever. You were you. You're at that stage where you've been doing comedy five, six years. You don't know if you could. You know, you're living in Seattle. The scene's not that good and you say, fuck it. I'm gonna go to Austin. You scratch up some fucking money you made as a waiter. You get in your car. You drive all the way to Texas. You put in for one minute. You don't get up. You stay there. I'm gonna stay on Monday. You come back next Monday. You don't get up. You're like, oh my God, I'm running out of money. You start thinking I should get a job and then you you get that one minute and boom. You fucking kill. You fucking kill and then you go home. You're like.

• 48:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. It's actually happening. And then next thing you know, you're a professional comedian. You're touring all over the world.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  It's pretty crazy.

• 48:42Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty crazy.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Because some people, they'll just come to town for that one night or that one day.

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  They should, if that's all they can do.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  And and do and then see if they can get up. And if they don't get up. It's a drag. If you do get up. If you just do mediocre.

• 48:57Joe Rogan?

  That's not good either.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  That's not good either.

• 48:58Joe Rogan?

  That's a soul crusher. If you bomb Kill Tony, that's a soul crusher.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Then you gotta try to come back. But yeah, it's it's it's worth it.

• 49:06Joe Rogan?

  Bro, dudes have gone on stage for the very first time in their life in Madison Square Garden to a sold out show.

• 49:17Joe Rogan?

  That's like, the first time you lace up the gloves, you fight Mike Tyson when he was 20.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  They deserved that. They fucking deserved that.

• 49:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  As you said, in a place where Mike Tyson.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like fighting Mike Tyson who's 20 is the first time you ever lace up the gloves.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  You didn't take one practice.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  And your first opponent is Mike Tyson in his prime.

• 49:38Joe Rogan?

  Madison Square Garden. Right, right.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Good luck.

• 49:42Joe Rogan?

  Or even before he beat Trevor Berbick, even better. Madison Square Garden, while Custom Auto was alive. Madison Square Garden, sold out show, Kill Tony, you're on the bill. Dice Clay is there, Big Jay Okerson, David Tell's there, shut the fuck up, oh my god.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Why would you do that? Because I feel like some of those people are narcissists.

• 50:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, some people are just insane. You know, it's like, you ever watch street fight videos, like, why are you fighting? You don't know how to fight at all, this is so crazy. And they're starting it, and then all of a sudden they're, pow, out cold. People are crazy.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  I know, I watched some of those backyard fights.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, I watched a lot of those.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, like, I forgot the one that I watched, but it's pretty popular. And they got like a.

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Like a cage, a fence around it?

• 50:29Speaker 01

  A fancy cage. And they try to make it official. But I'm like, I'm watching this more than I watch UFC.

• 50:36Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's raw.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  There's something about it, there's something, what is it about that, that I won't, I won't watch Division 2 soccer? I'll watch Premier League. You feel me?

• 50:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I do. That's a good point.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Like, do you watch the other professional, below UFC league sometimes? You do?

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I do.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  But, like, for me, I'm a soccer snob, so I wanna watch, there's too many of the best guys playing all week.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  I think soccer's a different thing, though. I think it's a more gradual acceleration of progress. And then, there's a thing about fighting where there's a lot of prodigies out there. So, there's like, a lot of dudes that you just hear about. Like, I'll hear about it through the grapevine, like, this guy trained with this guy, and he tells me that. And then he's fighting for LFA, and this is like, his debut fight, and I watch, I go, oh shit, here we go. Cause there's guys out there that you never even heard of. That are in like, One FC, and the PFL, these other organizations that are world beaters. They're like, elite, elite fighters. So you got, I have to pay attention to as many organizations as possible. Cause there's always a bunch of people like. That come over, bunch of Russians, man. Damn, there's a lot of Russians.

• 51:48Joe Rogan?

  Lot of beast Russians, lot of beast guys from Dagestan, and beast guys from all the, those fucking, people from that part of the world are hard ass people, dude.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  I, I wanted to ask you about this one guy. Now, I stumbled on, they said he's the best fighter in history. He, he was in the UFC, so he started out when he was 19 in this thing where it's like, oh, it's like flat, but kinda like a little slope.

• 52:20Joe Rogan?

  Like banked on the sides?

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Banked on the side.

• 52:22Joe Rogan?

  You're talking about Frank Shamrock.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  No, but this was

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 52:26Speaker 01

  A black guy.

• 52:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  And then he had a kid, then became a cop, and then maybe like when he was like 30, got back in. And he did-

• 52:38Joe Rogan?

  Boy, this is like translating in ancient language. How do I not know who this guy is? You don't know?

• 52:43Speaker 01

  I can't remember.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  About MMA, describe it to me.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  I know.

• 52:48Joe Rogan?

  Tell me who he fought.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  You pulled up with your ship.

• 52:50Joe Rogan?

  And you just give me one fucking name, I'll tell you exactly who this is.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  I can't even give you one organization.

• 52:56Joe Rogan?

  But there's no way he was the best fighter of all time.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  But they-

• 52:59Joe Rogan?

  Who's saying he's the best fighter of all time? Is this like a YouTube video?

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a YouTube video, they put the com-

• 53:04Joe Rogan?

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• 55:05Speaker 01

  Compilation together, but let me tell you something.

• 55:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Like, so I've been, I'm not an expert. I've been to some fights with you, and I've watched a little. This nigga was nice.

• 55:16Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Like, I remember like the first time I saw Israel.

• 55:19Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  And I saw his compilation stuff before, and this is before USC.

• 55:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  And then I said, hey, man, is this guy real? And you were like, yes. So this guy.

• 55:29Joe Rogan?

  So Izzy's a perfect example. I had my eyes on Izzy for like years.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:33Joe Rogan?

  Because in the kickboxing world, he was fucking people up with style points.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Yes, this guy too.

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, okay. And you don't remember his name? Is it Mike? You think his name is Mike?

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Let's try Mike something junior. That's all I got.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  Good through you. How long ago was this? Was it a YouTube video you were watching?

• 55:51Speaker 01

  It was a YouTube video.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  Is it? How long ago?

• 55:53Speaker 01

  It's probably like six months ago.

• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  Shit!

• 55:57Joe Rogan?

  He's probably gone through 50,000 videos instead. Jamie can't even find. He's like, that's not enough information, sir. You can put that in the chat GPT.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  He was a cop and he's married, he's married to like a female fighter now. And but he was like, his style was like, you know, the type of

• 56:17Joe Rogan?

  This is driving me crazy.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Consciousness, type of comedy. He, he would do the

• 56:26Speaker 01

  The, the, you know, the thunder kick on the regular.

• 56:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay, rolling thunder?

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Rolling thunder kick on the regular. That was just like standard. Like, he, his feet were his hands. And, and his hands were like feet too. And he was just very explosive. And he did, uh, one time, that a few times, like, two guys beat him, because he did go to the USC for a little bit, towards the end of his career, and he did fight some K-1 shit. He fought in everything. But, God, you drive me crazy. I know, man. I wish I had more info, bro. Because I want to know us.

• 57:00Joe Rogan?

  As soon, if you, if you, if you tell me who this is, I could tell you everything about them.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:05Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, I'm trying to figure out, through this puzzle.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  This is like hieroglyphics.

• 57:09Joe Rogan?

  Are you getting this?

• 57:11Speaker 03

  I think just, there's too many keywords I'm trying to lock down.

• 57:14Joe Rogan?

  Hey, I'm trying to run this through Jamie's, Jamie's brain. Jamie usually is pretty psychic about this kind of shit, and figure out who the fuck it is. But your amount of information is like, I would think of yours as a suspect now. If you're a witness, I'm like, the way this guy described the scene, I don't like it. I pulled the other detective aside, I go, I think we got our guy. This guy's full of shit. He's trying to throw us off the case. I think he works for the other team. Yeah, he's an agent.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  I should have bookmarked this guy.

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  You should have bookmarked it.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  I should have bookmarked this guy, because I was like, I need to know if this guy is really like this narrator is saying. But he fought in all the legit things.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  I was thinking, like, are you sure that this was one real person and they didn't just put together a bunch of stuff?

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 58:01Joe Rogan?

  Did you get winked by some AI?

• 58:04Speaker 01

  He was ball-headed. How about that?

• 58:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  Had a low flat top. How about that?

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  Trying to figure out who this would be.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Light-skinned, black guy.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  God damn.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Lanky.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  How, like, how long ago? I guess that might be better.

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what year are we talking about?

• 58:19Speaker 01

  I would say he might have ended his career like, the, like, 2008, 2005-ish or something like. Because I was like, when I was watching it, I was like, oh, I got to start watching first fights. But then it got to, like, oh, this, this guy's retired now. And he was like, he retired like, maybe like...

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Late thirties.

• 58:39Joe Rogan?

  Listen, there's a lot of guys like that unfortunately that are really good, really good. And then you watch them like one or two fights and you go, oh my god, this guy might be the best in the world. It's just that the game is so brutal. It's the most brutal sport ever. You're using your body to try to break another person's body.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 58:59Joe Rogan?

  And the most effective way to do that is to separate them from their consciousness.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  You know, or take their legs out until they can't walk anymore.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  I I remember one time we went to a fight and then I was like, Joe, why they uh, you know, they walk to the ring together with their whole crew and then right before they get into the ring, they hug everybody. And I was like, I'm like, why are they hugging? They they they're gonna be right there outside of the octagon. And they're gonna be yelling instructions and they were in the locker room together. But right before the person enters the ring, it's almost like a goodbye. Because I might not exit this ring the same way I entered.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Or at exit at all.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  You know, so that's that's what fighting is to me is like, that's how dangerous it is. Like when you're like.

• 59:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Goodbye.

• 59:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's the last thing you could do to support that person that you love that's about to go do that.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  It's real hard when you watch your friends. It's real hard when you watch your friends get beat up.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Damn, yeah.

• 1:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Real hard.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, it was real hard me watching Cormier when Jones beat him up.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:11Joe Rogan?

  That was hard. The Stipe one was hard, you know, especially the one where Stipe KO'd him against the K. It's just hard.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Joe Rogan?

  Because you know them. You know them as human beings, you know. You know what? That's kind of toot to them. It's fucking devastating. It's like, it's like a loss. It's like you lost a family member or you lost a dog.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's affecting you right now. Shit, just thinking about it. That's like.

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  It's hard, man. I start crying.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  But like, for me, the hardest one was Shob. Cause Shob, Shob didn't wanna quit, and I was like, dude. You, the thing about Brendan that most people don't know is how many concussions he took.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Outside of the fights. So you see the fights, but. He used to spar with Shane Carwin, man. Shane Carwin was the interim heavyweight champion, the biggest fists ever registered. In the UFC, he had like five XL fists. Bro, he's so big, it was ridiculous. He would, he looked like, he looked like, like in the Avengers, like, like, he was, he would be like the Hulk. He doesn't look like a real human. Like, all the other people were there, and then there's Shane Carwin. He was a freak. He was a freak. And, um, Brendan Shob and him used to spar all the time, and he would get knocked out all the time.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:01:27Joe Rogan?

  He would get concussions all the time, all the time. He got a concussion like days before he fought Ben Rothwell. He got a concussion days before he fought Nogera. Like, he was getting concussions all the time, like, in the gym.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Damn, that's crazy.

• 1:01:42Joe Rogan?

  So I knew about all that shit too, and I was seeing the effects. And I was like, you gotta get out now. If you don't get out now, there's no happy ending. There's no happy ending to the guy who gets knocked out a lot.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:53Joe Rogan?

  It's terrible. I was watching a video the other day of that dude who fought Mike Tyson. When he, uh, right, when he got out of jail. Remember when Mike Tyson looked like a bodybuilder almost?

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Right. Was it a white guy?

• 1:02:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes. And that dude, I s- I found the video, cause I sent it to my friends. I was like, bro. Brain damage is real, fellas.

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 1:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's, it's just unfortunate. But you, you watch a guy talk, and you go, oh, okay. This is just how it goes.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, like Hearns.

• 1:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Yep, all of them. All the greats.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  All the greats.

• 1:02:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, Sugar Ray seems to have kept it together pretty good.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Um, but there's a lot of these guys, I'm not gonna find it. Is that? That's right, Peter McNeely.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  This is the, the guy that fought, and he fucking went after him, man. He went after Tyson, which is crazy. Like, he pushed him away, he's trying to get after him, but, bro.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  And he's, and he's got some movement.

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  He headbutted him there. But Tyson looked phenomenal back, like physically phenomenal.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, look how good he looked. He just took him apart.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:55Joe Rogan?

  Just tha- that knockout alone, what, uh, how's the rest of your life gonna be? Cause he's not even.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Did his corner jump in? Yeah, they said that's enough. Yeah. We know where this fucking story ends. Right, that's a good corner right there. I was reading about Jerry Quarry yesterday. Jerry Quarry was the guy who fought Muhammad Ali when Muhammad Ali had just gotten um his license back. Mm-hmm. So, he took three years, he wouldn't fight in Vietnam. Mm-hmm. And they took away his, they took away his championship and they took away his license to box. He couldn't make a living for three years. And then he fought this dude Jerry Quarry. And it looked like he had been on the couch. Right. Ali didn't look like Ali anymore, didn't physically look like Ali, he wasn't ripped. He didn't look fat, but he looked kinda like- He wasn't physique of old Ali.

• 1:03:46Joe Rogan?

  It changed, it changed the way he fought, honestly. Like, look at him there. He looks good. But still a little pudgy. But yeah, but not like- In comparison. Right. So, this was the first fight back and Jerry Quarry was like this just really tough Irish guy. Right. And um him and his brother were like notorious for having like horrific gym fights. He was a good fighter, man, real good fighter, but he died young and um he had terrible CTE and dementia before he died. And so did his brother, and his brother only had a few professional fights. Damn.

• 1:04:26Joe Rogan?

  See, Quarry had a bunch of pro fights and he fought guys, I believe he fought Frazier, he might have fought like Ken Norton. He fought like big time heavyweight power punchers and, and legends. But his, ooh, that was a good left hook. Plus he's Irish, you don't know, you didn't count the amount of bar fights he had. Exactly. You know what I mean? But the big thing, man, ooh, damn, beautiful combination. Yeah. You forget how good Ali was even with three years off, dude, he looked sweet. But now I wanna, I wanna, I wanna show you something different though because we're seeing this Ali. Mm-hmm. Look, first of all, take care of those fucking, those strings. Strings, yeah. Hey, referee, tie that shit off. Tape that, yeah. Tape that shit off. And cut it. Um, show me Ali versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams.

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  This is my favorite fight to watch. Oh, man. If anybody never saw Ali before- I said, "You gotta see Ali before they made him retire." And then you gotta realize, we lost three years of this Ali, who was different than anybody who had ever boxed before, anybody. So this is prime Ali. Like, look at the difference right away in the movement, right? The one who fought Jerry Quarry was kinda standing in front of him more, you know? And he was boxing him and looking good, but this Ali is like, "Good luck hitting him." "Good luck, dude, look at this."

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  I look at the guys like, "This is awkward. Like, how do I stop this thing from moving so I can hit it?"

• 1:05:49Joe Rogan?

  And this guy who he's fighting, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, was a killer. He had vicious power, man. Look at his build. Like, Cleveland was a dangerous puncher, dangerous puncher. You couldn't let him hit you. But good, because Ali wasn't gonna, he wasn't gonna let him hit him. And, bro, he tunes him up in this fight, and at the end of the fight, scooch along so he could see, like, 'cause he, he cooks him.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  Is this before he beat Liston?

• 1:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yes, yes, quite a bit before he beat Liston, 'cause he beat Liston... No, no, no, no, no, excuse me. I was thinking of, um, I was, I was not thinking of Liston. I was thinking of, uh, Foreman.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Foreman.

• 1:06:24Joe Rogan?

  He beat Liston to win the title. This is, this is after that.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  After that.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  So this was when he was already Ali, 'cause when he beat Liston, it was in black and white, too.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:34Joe Rogan?

  So this was right before they made him retire, so this is like 1967, I think.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  So this is before the forced retirement?

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at that, ooh! Moving backwards, moving backwards with the 1-2. And it's so pretty, there's no wind-up, man. It's just, if people who don't think boxing is beautiful, you gotta watch Ali, Cleveland Big Cat Williams. And you should watch a little bit of Big Cat Williams before that, you see the slugfest that he was in, where he was fucking people up, and you know how dangerous this was for Ali. But look at him, he's just, "Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing." I mean, it's beautiful, man.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, Ali took him to his world.

• 1:07:09Joe Rogan?

  Took him to his world.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  It's like, "This is a moving man sport."

• 1:07:12Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  We're not gonna just stand in front of each other and just have a slugfest.

• 1:07:16Joe Rogan?

  And this is the first guy in the heavyweight division to ever move like this. I mean, nobody moved like this back... Look at that combination! Woo! Then he stands over with his hands up.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  It's, it's extra embarrassing with that hairstyle.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  You had your hair done, bro?

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Like, you had to conk it, you had some women fixing it up and pressing it for the fight so you could go out afterwards? Like, he never wore the suit that he bought to go with that hairstyle for the after-party.

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Wait, wait, did this keep going after that knockdown?

• 1:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah? That's crazy, they let that guy fight another round? Oh my god, it was the end of the round, so he was saved by the bell. They used to have saved by the bell back then, too.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  I feel like because of his reputation and how many punches he's taken in his life and his career before this, you have to let this keep going.

• 1:08:14Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he just did the shuffle on him.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  Now he's feeling it.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Look at this, oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. See, this is the Ali that we missed. The guy, the guy got back up again. Cleveland Big Cat Williams was a stud. To get back up all these times from that? Look how good Ali looks, man. Oh my goodness. I mean, he looks like a middleweight. It's like a middleweight fighting heavyweights.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  And you know, you know what was unfair about Ali? Because, you know, all the boxers back then had chins. So you feel like somebody with Ali's style would not have a chin. But he had just as good a chin as anybody else, and he wouldn't let you hit it. And then if you did get to catch him and get in the slugfest, you wouldn't knock him out. Because this motherfucker could take a hit.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  One guy almost knocked him out, and they totally cheated to keep it from happening. This guy.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Fraser?

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, this guy in England, god, what was his name?

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  I can't believe, I can't remember his name right now. Because I was just, I was, I was gonna talk to you about Bob Foster. Henry Cooper, that's right, thank you. Henry Cooper had a killer left hook. Killer left hook. And he caught Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, right on the button. And his just, his legs went, his head rolled back, and he slumped down like he was done. So it was like at the bell, they get him in the corner, they cut his gloves. To change gloves, like, watch his left hook. This guy Henry Cooper was tough as nails, man. And he, look at that left hook, man, it's nasty. Look at this, right here, boom!

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Ali was fucked.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  He was fucked.

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  So this is at the bell, right? So they get him in the corner, they gave him smelling salts. They cut his gloves off and changed his gloves.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  To give him some breathing room.

• 1:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Did they cut the part out where they cut his gloves?

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  I'm pretty sure that happened. I think that was an Angelo Dundee trick.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Angelo Dundee, man. What a guy. What a corner man.

• 1:10:28Joe Rogan?

  He might be the greatest corner man of all time. Think about the one with Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns. You're blowing it, kid. Ever seen him say that to him? He says it and Sugar Ray runs out and stops him in the next round.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that was a Hearns fight? That was Sugar Ray versus who?

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Hearns.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Hearns.

• 1:10:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  I remember all those fights. I remember the Hearns Hagler fight. That second round was like the greatest.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  The first round was the greatest round.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  Was it the first round? Was the war?

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Yep, the first round, right out of the bat.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay. No evidence Muhammad Ali had his gloves changed mid-fight to get extra time to recover. Rather, it's an urban legend from his fight with Henry Cooper in 1963. Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee did bring Ali's torn glove to the referee's attention, but the controversy only extended the round break by a few seconds, and Ali went on to win the fight. Okay. So there was a torn glove, but they didn't let him change the gloves. He showed a torn glove, and it just happened to be torn right after the knockdown, and this is an urban legend? Respectfully.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:11:34Joe Rogan?

  The myth is that he had intentionally cut the glove? Respectfully, he probably did.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Because if the glove all of a sudden was torn right after a knockdown, how many other times in his career has he had a torn glove where the fighter was winning?

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Zero times.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  How do you tear your glove when you're getting hit?

• 1:11:50Joe Rogan?

  If he had, if he was in Henry Cooper's corner, and he found that cut, do you think he would tell the referee?

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  He wouldn't say a fucking thing. Like, it's bullshit.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:59Joe Rogan?

  But, I get it.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  He bought some time.

• 1:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Smart move.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  And one second in boxing is a huge difference.

• 1:12:06Joe Rogan?

  Look at that face.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  That face when he busted him up. I think he stopped him by cuts, if I remember correctly.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  I used to watch all these old fights, but it's so long, I can't remember the full details. Like, I knew who you were talking about before you could remember his name.

• 1:12:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I forgot his name.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:25Joe Rogan?

  Because I was thinking of Bob Foster, because I watched this whole piece on Bob Foster last night. People forgot about him.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  And who's Bob Foster again?

• 1:12:31Joe Rogan?

  He was the light heavyweight champion when Ali was the heavyweight champion. And I believe he tried, I know he fought Ali at least once. He tried to go up to heavyweight, it just didn't carry over.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Because he was a weird, weirdly shaped guy. Like, he was tall, but he was like, he was not muscular at all, but he was like...

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Well, see, look, right? I'd like to see.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

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• 1:14:55Joe Rogan?

  And then I'm like, "Oh, my God, I forgot." And then I went down a Bob Foster rabbit hole. And it's also the confidence in this video. He was talking about, "Take me one or two rounds and I'm gonna just knock him out." Is he the black guy or the white guy? The black guy. Bro, Foster had... Look at this, bro. Bro.

• 1:15:15Joe Rogan?

  This is like a mother beating a child. Bro, he's had tremendous power, man. Like, the whip in his punches is like very similar in a lot of ways to Tommy Hearns, but he's a lot bigger. You know, he's a 175-pounder. But it's that whip to the punches that Foster had. Like, look at that turn, like, the amount of torque that he gets when he throws these punches. And Bob Foster, he fucking flatlined a lot of dudes, man. He took a lot of dudes out of this dimension. Boom! Look at that left hook. Ooh! See the arms flail? Yeah. Like, you know, the arms let me know your legs are going. Yeah, Foster fucked a lot of guys up. Oh, he had some movement, too. He did. He just wasn't quite big enough to beat Ali, you know?

• 1:15:59Joe Rogan?

  Ali was a solid 35, 40 pounds heavier than him. That's just too much. Yeah, he's tall enough, but not... Oh, that's him versus Quarry at heavyweight? God, it just shows you how many guys Quarry fought. Fuck. Yeah, these guys didn't stop until they died. No, no. Well, Quarry died because of it much earlier. Like, that was... It doesn't look like Quarry. That's what it says? He's catching it with the left. Okay. Oh!

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  He just went to sleep.

• 1:16:34Joe Rogan?

  Foster versus Dick Tiger, this is a good one. Cause he said about Dick Tiger, like Dick Tiger was a champion at the time, I believe. And he said about Dick Tiger, it's taking one or two rounds to hit him and then I'm gonna knock him out. Boom! He just, he had this power that was just undeniable, man. There's some dudes who ju- look at that, the way he throws it. Like, everybody who, like, is a young boxer learning, learn from this guy, like, the whip.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  This is unfair too, the, the, the reach.

• 1:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh!

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  The reach is ridiculous.

• 1:17:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, say that to all of Mike Tyson's opponents who got flatlined.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  I know, but that's why I like Mike Tyson, like.

• 1:17:10Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't even six feet tall?

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  It wasn't even six feet tall, and he can get inside.

• 1:17:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, like a tornado.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. And sometimes he'd stay real down low, and you'd be throwing above his head, and then he'd come up with it.

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he, he would have fun, he was playing with his food back in those days, you know? He was, he was having fun with guys. He was having fun. It was a different thing, we had never seen a heavyweight move like that before, right? So there was Ali, you'd never seen a heavyweight so agile, so, so fluid on his feet. He looked like a better version of Sugar Ray Robinson at heavyweight, if you can believe it.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:49Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy, but also, he wasn't fighting the caliber of fighters. Well, I guess he was, as, when he became a champ, the second time around, he definitely did. When he got into like Joe Frazier and Foreman and... But I always wondered, man, if he didn't miss those three years, I don't know if any of those dudes could have touched him.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

  If he kept that up, like what he was versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams, and you add three more years? Cause I think Frazier became the champ after he retired. I just don't, I don't think they beat that version of Ali, and we don't get the Jerry Corey version if this Ali's not sitting on the couch for three years.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  But it also saved the brain damage for way later than it.

• 1:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but maybe, maybe it didn't, because maybe he wasn't agile anymore, so he took more brain damage.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  So he took more, more blows when he came back.

• 1:18:36Joe Rogan?

  He had to rely on his chin, you know, and he had a tremendous chin. But it's just like, I always, as a person who sees guys in their prime, cause I think... What year was Ali when they took his license away? What, how old was he?

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  I want to say he was twenty seven. And

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Comes back at thirty?

• 1:18:56Joe Rogan?

  He comes back at thirty.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Which is near quitting age.

• 1:18:59Joe Rogan?

  For a lot of fighters.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  For fighters, yeah.

• 1:19:01Joe Rogan?

  It gets near there.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:03Joe Rogan?

  It gets near quitting time. Three years is, the thing is, like, he wasn't a guy that was like a Bernard Hopkins, who just stayed in the gym, kept running every day. He wasn't that guy. And he was always involved in a lot of political things because he was an activist.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  He was a very outspoken anti-war activist, and they took away his livelihood because of it.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Bernard Hopkins had the most.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  What, Jamie? He was twenty five when he retired, when they took his license away?

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was born in forty two, that happened in sixty seven.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  And he came back at twenty eight?

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess. Sixty seven, refuses to be inducted into the army. Immediately stripped of his title.

• 1:19:41Joe Rogan?

  I think Cleveland Big Cat Williams is the last fight that he has before they'd strip him of his title, because they wanted him to fight in Vietnam, which is just crazy.

• 1:19:49Speaker 03

  Seventy four? No.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  So fight of the century is, so he comes out in seventy against Corey, so it's almost four years, right?

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  April twenty eighth, sixty seven, to October, three in months, three and a few months.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Three years and a few months. So sixty seven, and from the time he fights Cleveland Big Cat Williams, that was sixty six?

• 1:20:15Joe Rogan?

  So those are prime years, you know? And, but the big thing is not training during those years.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  The layoff is crazy.

• 1:20:22Joe Rogan?

  That's the big thing.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  I know how I feel after not doing stand-up for one week.

• 1:20:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you don't know what it's like to have your muscles deteriorate. Like, your muscles will go away.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Right. And your reflexes and everything.

• 1:20:34Joe Rogan?

  All of it will go away.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  All the twitching of, everything.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  It might take years to build it back.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  And in his case, he never really did. He never built it back to the Cleveland Big Cat levels. Like, he didn't come out and just move around like that

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  at thirty. He just didn't.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:20:49Joe Rogan?

  It was different.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  That was different and it was a heavier ship to move around too.

• 1:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Cause he was heavier.

• 1:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get heavier after thirty.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  Also, you're going through training camps and you're not in shape in the beginning?

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's a different thing. Like, I don't know how much time he had to prepare for Jerry Quarry. But I would imagine it's not more than a few months. So you could imagine you're saying, "Hey Mohammed, we gotta get ready." Like, and he's like, "I'll be ready. I was born ready. Why are you telling me to get ready?"

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  He's joking around and shit. Come on Mohammed, take this. Yeah, ready, I'm ready.

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Ready, I'm ready right now. Sock up, put on those gloves. Cause he would talk shit to people and you couldn't say anything to him. So if you're managing him, if you're training him, like, "Good luck getting the word in. He's the greatest of all time. I am the greatest."

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  He'll have you training.

• 1:21:33Joe Rogan?

  I remember he was talking to Howard Cosell and Howard Cosell said, "You sound very truculent champ." He goes, "Whatever truculent means, if it's good, I'm that."

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  I'm it. Yeah, I'm that, yeah.

• 1:21:45Joe Rogan?

  And he said it with zero hesitation.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  I remember one time, he said, "I'm so fast, I'll turn off the light and get into bed before it gets dark."

• 1:21:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:57Joe Rogan?

  Nobody had been like that. Nobody talked like that, nobody moved like that. He was a totally different thing.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  He was stand-up comedy funny.

• 1:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  He was stand- that, like, when I watch his old videos, like, normally you just watch a fight-a-fight.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  I could watch a Muhammad Ali talking compilation.

• 1:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes, definitely.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  That's how fucking entertaining this motherfucker was.

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was so entertaining.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:20Joe Rogan?

  He was so entertaining. And he, because of his refusal to fight in the Vietnam War, he represented a generation.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:27Joe Rogan?

  He represented the young people that were like, "Yeah, this is fucked. Like, what are we doing?"

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:31Joe Rogan?

  You know, and people, a lot of people were mad at him, called him a traitor, but in the end, they all kinda realized, like, "Oh, he was right. He was right."

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  History. They realized they were on the wrong side of history.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because people don't know back then because the only war they had remembered before that, I mean, there was Korea, but really, people remembered World War II.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:48Joe Rogan?

  "World War II, we had to fight the bad guys, we did our thing, we stood up for our country, and that's why we got the greatest country in the world right now. And if you're not gonna do your part, man, fuck you."

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  And then during the Vietnam War, everyone was like, "Oh, wait a minute."

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  Something's a little off here.

• 1:23:02Joe Rogan?

  This might be a drug-running operation. We might be like fighting in the jungle because someone wants to control drugs.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Is that what Vietnam War was?

• 1:23:12Joe Rogan?

  I believe so.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  A drug thing?

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  I believe there's a lot of factors, but I believe one of the major factors was control of the opium trade.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  That is wild.

• 1:23:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, I want to say that about Afghanistan as well.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Because the production of heroin out of Afghanistan ramped up after we were there. And we were guarding the poppy fields.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  And it was for the opiate crisis that they put in the OxyContin here?

• 1:23:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  For the same, yeah.

• 1:23:37Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's the same, it's the same thing. It's like, it's all just heroin. It was at one point in time, I think it was ninety something percent of the world's heroin supply was coming out of Afghanistan.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Shit.

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  And that's why we were over there. We were over there guarding those fields. I say we, not me, not you. You, we weren't there.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  But Americans were. And Geraldo Rivera fucking went over there to visit them and talk to a guy, this military guy, who explained why they have to guard the poppy fields.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  And what did the guy say?

• 1:24:09Joe Rogan?

  It's like basically saying, you know, we have to protect these people from Al Qaeda. Like, okay, listen.

• 1:24:14Speaker 01

  Al Qaeda we started?

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how gaslighty that is? Just think of how gaslighty that is. We have to protect these kind and humble heroin growers. We have to protect them from these other people who are just terrorists.

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:30Joe Rogan?

  Who live here and we're here, we invaded this place.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:34Joe Rogan?

  To keep these people from stopping these people from selling heroin.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  And we're the good guys. Like, what?

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  And especially the word Al Qaeda. When I watched, was it Rambo Three? Which was Rambo in Afghanistan, and then you watch the credits. And thank you for the brave fighters of Al Qaeda.

• 1:24:53Joe Rogan?

  Is that really in there?

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  It's in the credits, bro.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  It's in the credits because he, when Rambo Three was him helping Afghanistan fight the Russians.

• 1:25:04Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  So then we were funding Al Qaeda. You ever seen the movie Charlie Wilson's War?

• 1:25:10Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  You ever seen Charlie Wilson's War?

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  I haven't.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Frank, Tom Hanks, and he was a, he's a congressman or senator that figured out a way to funnel money. He knew Congress wasn't gonna give, like... But you know, like, we give, we vote to have a package to go to Israel.

• 1:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  So he, they weren't gonna vote to give a package to, like, help us fight or give money and weapons to Al Qaeda to fight the Russians in, during their war. So then, he figured out a way how to get funding and circumvent it to Al Qaeda so that they could fight the Russians. Because it's all a part of the Cold War, right?

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  And like, like, in Vietnam, Russia fought us, but through the Vietcong. And in Afghanistan, we fought them back through the Al Qaeda.

• 1:26:08Joe Rogan?

  And that's what's going on in Ukraine right now, too.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  So what's, what's the deal with the Ukraine? Because I kind of know what's going on, but I'm kind of confused.

• 1:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, we fund it. You know, we, along with other European countries, fund it.

• 1:26:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, and it's, it's kind of the same thing. It's in, in similar ways. But this is, what, what they really want control over is the resources. There's extraordinary amount. It's soil, but the real thing is the amount of, um, minerals. Rare earth minerals.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  For the computers, stuff, and the phone stuff, yeah.

• 1:26:42Joe Rogan?

  There's, they're, they're sitting on an enormous, enormous bounty of rare earth minerals. They also have natural gas. So, this was part of the, um, the, the real controversy with why Hunter Biden was running Burisma, which is a Ukrainian energy company. Like, why, why is he doing that? What, what is the deal there? Well, it's like, what they were trying to do is control energy and control the, the market for that. And he had access through his dad to some, you know, go over there, got a nice cushy job. But there's enormous resources in that country.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:21Joe Rogan?

  And The the the war is partly over that, right? Partly over we crossed NATO NATO crossed the line that they weren't supposed to cross.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  We're not supposed to to arm them and have them nuclear weapons right next to Russia.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  It's not we, obviously, but we are a part of NATO. And NATO promised at the end of the Soviet Union that they wouldn't move the arms closer to Russia and they just kept doing it.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:48Joe Rogan?

  And, um, you know, the idea is that if they wouldn't do that, Putin would probably take over everything. He'd go through Poland, like you need NATO. So I see both arguments.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:58Joe Rogan?

  I do. And obviously, the person who invaded a country is the the.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  The bad guy.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's the bad guy. That's the bad guy. He went into a country and hundreds of thousands of people are dead now because of it.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  But you don't know what the real motivations of war are until like the fog of war settles and the dust settles and the war's over. And then 10 years later, somebody writes a book.

• 1:28:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:19Joe Rogan?

  And you go, oh, God.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  It was that?

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, you guys just wanted money? You guys just wanted to control oil? You guys just wanted to make sure they stayed on the US dollar? You guys just wanted to do that? Like, you were pretending that there was this this threat.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  Noble cause.

• 1:28:35Joe Rogan?

  The Vietnam War is the perfect example. The Gulf of Tonkin incident.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  With that boat?

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they made up an attack.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:43Joe Rogan?

  And then everybody's like, oh, my God, they attacked us. They fucked around and now they're gonna find out. We're gonna send our boys. And how many hundreds of thousands of people died? And how many hundreds of thousands more lives were ruined forever?

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:58Joe Rogan?

  How many guys came back just with the horrific memories that they could never shake out of their head? They wake up in the middle of the night screaming.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  They see people die. They see their friends die. They maybe have to kill people.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Trauma.

• 1:29:13Joe Rogan?

  Trauma. And then Muhammad Ali said, fuck you.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:17Joe Rogan?

  And everybody was like, oh, my God, he is, he's a traitor.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:21Joe Rogan?

  You you are not supporting America and like half the country, just like, you know, anybody today. Like, half the country's mad at you and then half the country loves you.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  And after a while, it became the whole country loved him. They all realized he was right.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Is there ever gonna be a point where there'll be one person that the whole country loves?

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  Like, like, it felt like it was like that back in the day.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there were people like that.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  There were some people like that, but now.

• 1:29:50Joe Rogan?

  That was before social media.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Because even people like that back in the day were the whole country loved on television and in the newspapers. In, in real life, there was always some guy at the gas station talking shit about that guy. You know, there was always someone at the gym talking shit about that guy.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  People always talk shit. They just didn't have a public forum.

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  But if somebody talks shit about that guy.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  You know, the people he's talking that shit to, they'd be like, "The fuck is wrong with you?"

• 1:30:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  "This is a great guy."

• 1:30:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's Larry Bird, you son of a bitch.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, "How dare you."

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  "How dare you."

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Just because he beat you in high school, let it go.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  They're like encouraging it.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, they want it. They want more of it.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Fucking weird, man. It's, uh, social media, you know, it's giving the voices to people that maybe really didn't earn a voice. Not that it's bad, I don't think it's bad.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  I don't think it's bad either.

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  I think it's good.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  I think it's both.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  And I think even, yeah, even the chaos of that, these people that shouldn't get all that attention getting attention, it's like, bad for them. It's bad for everybody. But it's better net. Like, if you look at like the overall amount of good it does, it's way better than it is bad. But it's just a new thing that everybody has to deal with, and one of the things is the impulse to be a cunt.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  Right. But also, like, uh, just as a black person growing up and watching the news, right? It, it always felt slanted and, and against us anyway. And then somebody, either Neil Brennan said this, or Chris Rock said this to Neil Brennan, like, a, a lot of white people are finding out now that shit that black people always knew.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  You know, about like not trusting the cops all the time, or the FBI all the time, or.

• 1:31:31Joe Rogan?

  Pharmaceutical drug companies.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  Pharmaceutical drug companies all the time, or, yeah, they will drop a shipment of drugs and guns off in your neighborhood.

• 1:31:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  And fuck it up and ruin it.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  On purpose.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  On purpose.

• 1:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Because shit, they, they guarding poppy fields.

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  On another continent, where you think that shit is gonna go?

• 1:31:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, I've had that dude freeway Ricky Ross on a bunch of times.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  A bunch of times, right?

• 1:31:54Joe Rogan?

  And he didn't even know who he was selling coke for. He was selling coke for the United States government and had no idea.

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  And he was.

• 1:32:01Joe Rogan?

  They were letting him.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  And he was doing it for the Iran contra.

• 1:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  It was, it was the contra, it was, yeah, Iran contra, but it was, they were funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  He didn't even know.

• 1:32:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't know which side we were funding, but we were funding one of them.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, the anti, the anti-communist side we were funding.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  The guerrillas who were fighting against the communist government, maybe?

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  There is a bunch of those dudes that are just playing war games. They're playing war games and they get to do it back in the eighties, back then, they got to do it without any oversight.

• 1:32:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  They just played war games and they lied and then, you know, you get.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  They're like, just tell them this.

• 1:32:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just, I remember Jimmy Tingle, very funny Boston comedian, he had a joke about Ronald Reagan. Cause they brought Ronald Reagan into trial and they said, did you ever sell arms to Iran? He's like, I don't recall. And he goes, Mr. President, he goes, next time you sell arms to people who hate us, jot it down. He goes, make a note, put it on the refrigerator.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  So hilarious.

• 1:33:07Joe Rogan?

  But that's where, you know, Reagan literally was falling apart at that time though. People didn't believe it. They're like, come on, he can't remember, but, and then it got to.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  You don't think that was just his defense because.

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  I do think it was his defense.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Then you're not, you're not perjuring yourself.

• 1:33:21Joe Rogan?

  CIA, it was the Contras, okay, the CIA recruited, funded and trained the Contras, which included remnants of Samosa's National Guard. I, I think he was playing it off, but then I don't know because he did get dementia.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  He did get dementia.

• 1:33:36Joe Rogan?

  He got Alzheimer's real bad at the end of his life. He couldn't remember shit.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  But it was, I feel like he got the Alzheimer's like 20 years later. Could be wrong. I don't remember years no more.

• 1:33:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember either, honestly.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  I feel it was.

• 1:33:47Joe Rogan?

  I feel like towards the end, though, his cognitive function was declining.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:33:52Joe Rogan?

  But like, that's how it goes with guys in their seventies.

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Especially if they don't take vitamins, you know?

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  And if you're Reagan, do you want to remember everything that you did?

• 1:34:03Joe Rogan?

  Definitely not.

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:34:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, definitely not.

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  Alzheimer's is almost like a blessing.

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all those guys, like George W., like you don't want to remember nothing.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:11Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to remember the Iraq war, where you tricked people into going to Iraq because we got attacked on nine eleven by someone who was funded by the Saudis. Like, what, what, what? Why are we in Iraq? Shut up.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel.

• 1:34:23Joe Rogan?

  We just went over there.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  I feel angry every time I think about that one because I was duped. Like, I wanted war. I was like, we gotta go, they got weapons of mass destruction. We gotta go stop them. Like, like, their thing that they ran on the news worked on me. And, like, I never questioned it.

• 1:34:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I didn't question it either initially.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:45Joe Rogan?

  Um, but I did, I did have a bit about it.

• 1:34:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:50Joe Rogan?

  Where I was like, there was like, the only way for people to find out how dumb people are, like, the people that run the world, they don't know you. They don't get to hang out with you. They don't know exactly how dumb you are. They all went to Ivy League schools. How, the only way to find out how dumb people are is put a dumb guy in as president and then see if everybody freaks out. And then, you know, the bit was, like, after he tricked people into going into Iraq and starting the war, and then he got re-elected.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  That was crazy.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  I go, he won again. He won again. Like, the people that run the world are like, wow. And then someone in the back of the room goes, I think we can go dumber.

• 1:35:33Joe Rogan?

  And he was right. He was right. They went dumber. And we all, we all felt duped by that one, you know? We all felt duped by a bunch of different ones. One was the financial collapse, when the housing market collapsed, and then the, the, the guy started getting bonuses. They have to get their bonuses. The CEOs have to get their bonuses. You're like, what? Wait a minute. You guys, your bank collapsed and you get a bonus? What do we do? And it's our money? So you're taking our money and you're helping save these banks?

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:36:05Joe Rogan?

  And then the CEOs get bonuses? Because if we don't give them a bonus, they'll leave and go somewhere else? Like, what is this logic?

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  Right. The thing I don't understand about 2008 is where did the money go?

• 1:36:17Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:36:18Speaker 01

  So, listen, so these bunch of people had the money.

• 1:36:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  Then they lost it. But when they lost it, it didn't get burnt. Somebody else got the money.

• 1:36:28Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:36:29Speaker 01

  So then why was everybody broke?

• 1:36:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, because somebody else got rich.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  Somebody else got rich, but what were they doing with the money? Don't they do... Why did nobody have money?

• 1:36:37Joe Rogan?

  See, this is where you and I are regular people and we're not financially minded at all.

• 1:36:43Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 1:36:43Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  Don't they say that's kind of happening now?

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  Covid.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Covid, oh, okay.

• 1:38:57Joe Rogan?

  Covid, biggest transfer of wealth ever.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  Elaborate on that for me.

• 1:39:01Joe Rogan?

  So what happened was all these mom and pop places got shuttered, right? You can't go there. You don't have a, it's, we're in a pandemic, okay? You can only go to Target during the pandemic. You can only go to McDonald's during a pandemic. You can only go to Wendy's during a pandemic. You can't go there. It's a pandemic. You can't have your comedy club open. It's a pandemic. You can't have this, these restaurants? Are you kidding me? That's dangerous. Outdoor dining? What about the optics? Shut it down. And so where's all that money go? Well, that money goes to all the other businesses that can stay open.

• 1:39:39Speaker 01

  The major chains.

• 1:39:40Joe Rogan?

  Walmart, Target, all these things flourish. The stocks change.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:39:45Joe Rogan?

  70% plus of all LA restaurants went under. People lost millions of dollars. Where'd that money go? It got legally siphoned into other people's businesses that were allowed to stay open.

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  Right. And also with the stimulus, like a lot of big companies got

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  Huge stimulus

• 1:40:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  checks. Like, we got some dollars here and there, but they got

• 1:40:06Joe Rogan?

  They got a lot of dollars.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  They, they got.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  There's been a bunch of those transfers of wealth where you only look, if you have to look at it like a psychopath, like a complete sociopath who really understands how the system works. And if they'll explain it to you, you go, oh, so that's what they did? Yeah, that's what they did. They told you you had to stay home, they told you how to do this, and why they extended it for so long to crush the economy? Because it didn't crush the economy for them.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:30Joe Rogan?

  It boosted their, the more they could keep you from spending money at those places, the more you had to spend money. At Amazon, at this, at that, at anything that's open, that's all, they closed the market down.

• 1:40:43Speaker 01

  So, let me ask you a question. Like, how much, and I had this question in my head 20 years ago, because I know there's a lot of greed.

• 1:40:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:51Speaker 01

  And I was like, 20 years ago, I was like, how much people, money, do the people that got money want? And then now, I still have that same question, because I feel like those people should have had enough 20 years ago when I asked. To be like, alright, let me just chill. It's probably a different set of people who are like they were 20 years ago. But like, how much money do people want? And if you get all the money and nobody has anything, do you really have money? Because how are you gonna get more money from people that don't have no money? Because you took it all.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, no one's gonna get that rich. That's sort of a, that's a funny way of looking at it. But the, the, there's, there's different kinds of people that make money. Right, there's kinds of people that make money because they make a lot of things. That's like Elon Musk. That's his money.

• 1:41:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  And then there's kinds of people that make money that are only trying to make money. That's all they're trying to do. They're trying to do deals, they're trying to do this, they're trying to do that. But the whole idea is just to make money. Elon's thing is to make things.

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, he's there to make Starlink, he's there to give internet access to people all over the world. He's there to make electric cars, he's there to make electric roofs. He's there to make spaceships that can go up and rescue people and bring them back down and land. He's, he's making things, and because of making things, he's the richest guy on earth.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:11Joe Rogan?

  By the way, publicly, that's different than the real world.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, the real world, it might be Putin, it might be some, some king in, in the Middle East.

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  Federal Reserve, who runs that?

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that's different too, because it's not like individuals, but yeah, it's a good point.

• 1:42:29Speaker 01

  They could just print.

• 1:42:30Joe Rogan?

  But the actual one richest person in the world, in America at least, the way we Forbes 500 guy, is the guy who makes the most stuff. It's Elon.

• 1:42:38Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:42:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then you have the guys that are just trying to make money. That's a different kind of cat. So those guys who are just trying to make money, those are the weird ones. Cause they're just a number people. They're number people. And if they're thinking about numbers all the time, then they don't give a fuck about you. They're just trying to make more numbers and that you get more and most sociopathic as you go down that road.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  Right, but so my question is, is there an equation, right, to prove that, that, that, that, like, our brains can't do it, but could some body into money? Is there an equation that they could come up with to prove that you could make more money from peace than war?

• 1:43:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes, for sure.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  And why are we pushing this equation?

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  Because it's the easiest way to do it. The easiest way to do it is war, because you trick people into doing it and you can control an entire country. And, you know, it's like, you're not gonna make the same amount. It's like, there's groups of people that will make the most amount of money from war. For sure, military defense contractors. They make the most amount from a war. That is their business. Like, and you can't fault them. That's what they do. You need them, because you need, you need them.

• 1:43:55Speaker 01

  And they have a stronghold already, that they're not gonna give up.

• 1:43:58Joe Rogan?

  They're like a pit bull that wants to convince you to let it off the leash. Let me off the leash, dad. Come on, what the fuck, you see this? See this fucking German shepherd talking shit? Talking shit? Bro, this is over in five seconds.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  Every time we walk by here, they barking and yapping. Let's, let's shut this down.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Their business is to make shit, and not only just make shit, make better shit all the time. And I was thinking that the other day. I was like, if they're always making new jets, like, what do they do with the old jets? They kinda have to blow them up. They kinda have to like, go launch some missiles. They have these extra missiles from like, that they never killed anybody with, and they're just sitting around. They're gonna go bad.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  Stockpiles.

• 1:44:35Joe Rogan?

  We gotta use them.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, with expiration dates on it.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  That's their business, man. It's like that Nicolas Cage movie. Was it Nicolas Cage movie? About a guy who sold arms.

• 1:44:44Speaker 03

  Lord of War.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, Lord of War.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  If you're selling weapons, you want a war, you know, and those are the guys that are getting the giganto contracts. And then some guy comes in and he's like, I pledge to double defense spending and make America stronger than it's ever been.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  And those guys are running the stock market, buy, buy, buy, Raytheon, buy, buy, Boeing.

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  But we as people, why are we buying this?

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  We do know the deal, but we're only learning the deal now.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like, as a culture, I think it's only been like ten years where people are like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I think ten years ago, most people think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  Even I had my doubts, and I'm like the most gullible motherfucker in the world.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  You had your doubts? Good.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  I, I, I knew there was something up with the story a long time ago because I read a book. But if you're, the average person twenty years ago, you're not going to buy any of these wacky conspiracy theories.

• 1:45:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, you were the crazy person, people stopped talking to you. You got exiled from society.

• 1:45:44Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Now, someone that you're close with sends you a video and you just watch this and you're like, what?

• 1:45:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, they killed Kennedy. Oh, my God. And you're watching, you're like, what? And then some guy comes on a podcast, like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. What? Oh, my God. Did I ever tell you what Bill Murray said?

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:46:04Joe Rogan?

  Bill Murray came in here and the same guy, Bob Woodward, who was a part of Woodward and Bernstein that took down Nixon. He wrote a book on John Belushi. And John Belushi, who was one of Bill Murray's best friends. And so Bill said he read the first five pages and he was like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon.

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  Oh, what?

• 1:46:23Joe Rogan?

  So the, the book was so full of shit. It was so made up, like it was this made up character of John Belushi, who he was with all the time.

• 1:46:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, he didn't know John Belushi. John Belushi died of a drug overdose, so he fabricated this crazy, wild thing and called it Wired. And he said he read five pages of it, he's like, oh, my God, they framed Nixon.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  One of the most disgraced presidents of all time frame. So was he a good guy? Cause he got rid of the gold standard.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  He was not a good guy. Right. This is, this is not a binary thing. Nixon was not a good guy. Nixon also passed that sweeping psychedelics act that made everything illegal. And he did that specifically to target the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement. Specifically. They wanted to take those people who were involved in the anti-war movement and the civil rights movement. They want to put them in jail.

• 1:47:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  And the best way to do it, they were all smoking grass, they were all eating mushrooms, they were all doing LSD. Just make all that stuff super illegal and then bust them. And that's what they did. And they, they changed the entire, the direction of the culture. Like what Nixon did was catastrophic to human civilization. Because who knows where we would be as a culture if psychedelics were legal this entire time from 1974.

• 1:47:40Speaker 01

  So should we thank Bob Woodward or?

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:47:44Speaker 01

  Cause we don't know the bad shit that he did.

• 1:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent.

• 1:47:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:48Joe Rogan?

  Agency guy. He was, um, he was a naval intelligence officer. And his first project as a reporter was Watergate. That's crazy. Why would they give that to a guy where it's his first project? His first major story is the biggest story in the history of the world? And he just happens to be a naval intelligence agent?

• 1:48:12Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  There's like senior reporters. There's these people that are like beating the street there, they're out there every day.

• 1:48:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, they must have been pissed.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  And the guys who broke into Watergate, they're all FBI. So here's the thing. Nixon didn't have knowledge of it, but then they brought it to Nixon and he covered it up. And then they're like, gotcha. And that's how they got rid of him. And they also got rid of Spiro Agnew, who was his vice president. They got him on corruption charges, kicked him out, put in Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford was in the Warren Commission.

• 1:48:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  And then one of the things about Nixon is Nixon couldn't shut the fuck up about knowing who killed Kennedy. And trying to get to the bottom of it.

• 1:48:52Speaker 01

  Why, why did Nixon want to get to the bottom of?

• 1:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Cause he was worried they were gonna kill him. Cause he knew Bobby Kennedy, cause he, he lost to Kennedy.

• 1:48:59Speaker 01

  He lost to Kennedy, so I figured he didn't like him.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  John Kennedy, excuse me.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  He lost to JFK in a previous election.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49:05Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, he knew that guy, like, and, and he knew who killed him. And he started talking about it, and the problem when talking about it is they're like, get rid of him. I never, do you know, he was like, he won at the time, it was the, he was the most popular president of all time. Like, he won with the most amount of votes of anybody ever. And we look at him like a crook.

• 1:49:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  He was a, and by the way, probably was. At the very least, he did cover up that crime. He didn't say, what? They did what? Don't, no, I'm gonna, we're gonna make a press conference, and we're gonna fucking find who did it, and we're gonna come clean. Instead, he tried to cover it up.

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  But to me, like, when I think about Watergate, from what I remember of it, was it really that big of a deal? Like, it's so sensationalized. What, what, what was the real crime? Like, what was the, somebody broke in somewhere.

• 1:49:55Joe Rogan?

  And they installed recording equipment so they could listen in on people.

• 1:49:59Speaker 01

  And who were they listening in on?

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  The Democratic Party. So the Republicans were listening to the Democrats.

• 1:50:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  As they're getting ready to campaign against them.

• 1:50:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of illegal.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's definitely illegal.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:09Joe Rogan?

  But it's not that big of a deal because they're doing that to you right now.

• 1:50:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you have your phone, and you're, you know, and you're, you know me. If you know me, your phone is bugged.

• 1:50:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  Ah, shit.

• 1:50:23Joe Rogan?

  Good luck. All those dick pics you saved out, those are all out in the ether, son. And, you know, that, that is something that we had to find out from Edward Snowden, okay? You know, when, when, when that was exposed, and we learned, like, oh, god, there's a mass surveillance program that's secret, that's been around forever, and the NSA's been running it, like...

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  All that, what Nixon was doing was just a version of that. Or not even Nixon doing, but what his, what the, the crime was, was a version of that. Listening in on your opponents. They probably all listen to each other now.

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:50:58Joe Rogan?

  They probably all hack into each other's email. They probably hire hackers to hack into each other's phones and hack into each other's emails and shit. You know, they do that, man. It's just, it's a dirty game.

• 1:51:09Speaker 01

  I mean, they, they've turned that dirty political game into like life. Like you said, if I know you.

• 1:51:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  My phone is hacked. Or just the, is it the NSA?

• 1:51:19Joe Rogan?

  Who knows? There's probably organizations that are new that we don't even know of.

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:51:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, they're like, too many people know about the CIA. Let's branch out.

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's, let's come up with something new.

• 1:51:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and you need intelligence agencies because the world is a dirty, dark place. Filled with monsters and a lot of them we put there. But they're still monsters. And like, look, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, we got monsters, but we have to fucking have a wall and arm the turrets. Trump executive order quietly declared that NASA is now a spy agency. What?

• 1:51:49Speaker 01

  How?

• 1:51:50Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:51:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, this happened a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  What? They spy from space?

• 1:51:55Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:51:56Joe Rogan?

  What does it mean?

• 1:51:56Speaker 03

  The executive order came out and there's just a redesignation, I think, of what NASA is officially.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  How, what does that mean?

• 1:52:02Speaker 03

  I don't know. That's, it could, it could be nonsense or it could mean something important, you know?

• 1:52:07Speaker 01

  Is this a legit, like?

• 1:52:08Joe Rogan?

  Did they change the name of it?

• 1:52:10Speaker 03

  No, it's still called NASA as far as I know. But yeah, here.

• 1:52:12Joe Rogan?

  The order stipulates the agency will now have as a primary function, intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative or national security work. What? Why would they do that? The major departure for the agency was historically focused on space exploration as well as space and earth sciences over its 67-year lifespan. Not to mention that science and exploration stuff, NASA Watch founder Keith Cowing, former scientist and agency at the agency now closely follows its internal and external politics, wrote in a blog post, there are signs that Trump's intentions behind the order were at least partially related to labor concerns rather than spycraft.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  The order also added that NAS, NASA to the Federal Service Labor Management Relations Statute, excluding it from collective bargaining representation. Ooh.

• 1:53:04Joe Rogan?

  The news that NASA will now be a spy agency was seemingly overshadowed in the media by the president's elimination of union rights for thousands of federal employees mere days before Labor Day despite multiple lawsuits challenging the change. I wonder if this is because of private space companies, because they're so far ahead. Like, Blue Origin is far ahead of what NASA does, Tesla, SpaceX is very far ahead of anything that they do. It's almost like you leave it in the hands of private companies, they could do a better job of space anyway.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  And then turn NASA into this?

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't like, why are you doing that? The last thing we need is more spies.

• 1:53:47Speaker 01

  But I feel like when you turn something into a spy agency, it already was.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:52Speaker 01

  And you're just like, let's just make it official.

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, they put satellites in overhead.

• 1:53:56Speaker 01

  Right, and when we watch movies and they're like, looking at parts of other countries to try to track down the villain in the movie, like, they're using, they're giving away kind of what's really happening.

• 1:54:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  So it is basically a spy, you know, organization.

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, if they're launching spy satellites, they're a spy organization.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  Right? If NASA's launching satellites, if that's mostly what they're launching, they're not putting anybody on other planets anymore, allegedly, and they're not doing anything with the space shuttle anymore, so what are they doing? Why not be a spy agency? You've got to stay open.

• 1:54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:35Joe Rogan?

  Got to move around, boys, can't be blockbuster forever.

• 1:54:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:54:39Joe Rogan?

  I think they took them into a room, they said, listen, aliens are real, these spaceships we have are all bullshit, we have a couple of years left, well, so, uh, use it for something else. We're not, we're not going to travel to the moon anymore, settle down.

• 1:54:52Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm just, even the alien shit, like, I believe in aliens.

• 1:55:01Speaker 01

  I don't really got a lot of proof, but the denial of it is my proof.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:09Speaker 01

  The harsh denial, just like how we're talking about back in the day, if you didn't like the guy that everybody liked, they ostracize you. If you believed in aliens, they ostracize you.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  And everything from the, it's like when they used to teach us, you gotta drink milk, strengthens your bones. Then you realize milk pass a certain amount of time, if you keep drinking it, it's bad for you. Like, everything that was bad for you is good for you, and everything that was good for you, we find out is bad for you.

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  Also, it comes around again, because the real milk that you're supposed to be drinking is raw milk.

• 1:55:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  The reason why milk is not so good for you, especially low-fat milk, is because there's not, your body's like, what is this?

• 1:55:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, you've boiled out all the enzymes and killed all the living organisms in it. It's just like this weird protein liquid that I'm drinking, and it makes you fart and you feel weird. You drink real milk, like raw milk. I had raw milk the other day and I drank it, I was like, oh, this is what milk's supposed to taste like. This is so much better. It's way better, and it's illegal. Meanwhile, Oxycontin's legal.

• 1:56:12Speaker 01

  Why is it illegal?

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Glyphosate's legal. There's all sorts of shit that's legal, like Roundup.

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  What the fuck is glyphosate?

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Roundup, that stuff that's sprayed on plants.

• 1:56:21Speaker 01

  That gives people cancer.

• 1:56:23Joe Rogan?

  Not just people cancer, like anybody close to a golf course. There was some study about getting Alzheimer's disease, like, that you can get Alzheimer's much more likely if you're within a mile or so of a golf course.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  And glyphosate was Monsanto before they sold the company to the German company Bayer.

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:56:41Speaker 01

  So then Monsanto.

• 1:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Maybe Monsanto bought Bayer, or did Bayer bought Monsanto?

• 1:56:45Speaker 01

  Bayer bought it.

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  And, and Monsanto escaped.

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  Fucking glyphosate poisoning.

• 1:56:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, now that I can't even remember the order of the shit because of glyphosate poisoning.

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. Isn't that nuts?

• 1:56:56Speaker 01

  It's wild.

• 1:56:57Joe Rogan?

  And they spray that shit on everything. Not only do they spray that shit on everything, they make certain plants, they're genetically designed to be resistant to Roundup, so you can spray more of it on the corn. And then the thing is, they spray it on it at the end of the growing cycle to dry it out, apparently. That's like a lot of the glyphosate you get in, your system is totally unnecessary. They just do it to speed up the process.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  But that's my thing, it's like, why? Like, this shit is so fucking.

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  It's gross, right?

• 1:57:29Speaker 01

  Like, sometimes, right? The money they spend to lie, right? It's like, you could have put that money into making the shit healthy and good.

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they can't, though. Their, their obje- the problem is corporations as, as a entity, the way it's been established, the way it's set up. Corporations as an entity always want to make more money.

• 1:57:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:57:53Joe Rogan?

  And when you always want to make more money, you figure out a way to make more money. And if you can bullshit your way into making more money at the other people's expense, that's what you do. And then you justify it, and you have lawyers, and you fucking keep people in court, and you drag it out, and then you, you know, you accept a, a small percentage of the profits that you pay off people with because they got damaged by your product, and you keep moving, because you're a piece of shit and you don't care.

• 1:58:16Speaker 01

  But, oh, say you, you say you win. Say you make some money.

• 1:58:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:21Speaker 01

  But you spent some money. You spent so much money, like with the lawsuits.

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  Keeping people in court.

• 1:58:27Joe Rogan?

  You made more money than you spent, though, don't worry.

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  But I feel like you made more money than you, than you spent, but the money you spent could have been spent to make a good, healthy product, so you wouldn't even have.

• 1:58:40Joe Rogan?

  Depends on what you're talking about. Because like, if you're saying the pharmaceutical drug companies, no. The, the way to make the kind of money that they like to make, you gotta do some shenanigans. You gotta.

• 1:58:51Speaker 01

  Some shenanigans.

• 1:58:52Joe Rogan?

  You gotta do some shenanigans, you gotta mandate medications, and you gotta brainwash people into thinking that they should be on your side. And that if, and then get them scared and say that if we don't take this medication, it could be literally the end of civilization, like whatever it is. Like, come up with whatever fucking, people are gonna die, your kids are gonna die, everyone's gonna be born retarded. You just find a way to get people to believe, and they'll just all climb on board. They'll all climb on board, because a lot of people are cowards. And that's, that's what happens in this world. And that's where it gets really weird, because then they have an enormous amount of money, an enormous amount of influence, and then they start paying for the ads on all the TV shows. Brought to you by Pfizer.

• 1:59:34Speaker 01

  And that makes it look legit.

• 1:59:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. That makes them look legit, it makes the TV show look legit. And you're watching publicly, uh, an evil union. You're in, and it's an evil union between the truth and money, where money always wins. And money will distort the truth. And they're allowed to do that?

• 1:59:55Speaker 01

  It's crazy because when I was growing up in New York, I got bamboozled once for a hundred dollars.

• 2:00:03Joe Rogan?

  Three card money? What was it?

• 2:00:04Speaker 01

  Nah, I was at the Roosevelt Field Mall and I was leaving and there was this dude and he was holding a brand new box with a VCR in it. And he's like trying to sell it. I was like, how much? And he's like, a hundred dollars. And I was like, hey, man, could I see it first? Before I give you the hundred dollars? He's like, no, if I open, rip away the plastic and open this box and you don't buy it, then the next person who comes won't buy it because they won't, it won't be new. And I was like, this is a deal.

• 2:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Was it a brick?

• 2:00:43Speaker 01

  Brick. I gave him a hundred dollars, got on the bus, didn't even have a car, got on the bus, drove home.

• 2:00:49Joe Rogan?

  Opened the brick.

• 2:00:50Speaker 01

  Opened. Paper, then brick. But that one hundred dollars saved me so much.

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:00:59Speaker 01

  Because I always, like, I was just always on a swivel, looking out for like, where is the trick? And then sometimes I just wouldn't do something if I didn't even see the trick because I was like, ah, there's something here. But then the Iraq war was like my, the version of the VCR, like recently, like that shit.

• 2:01:21Joe Rogan?

  They got you.

• 2:01:22Speaker 01

  They got me. They sold me the VCR.

• 2:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Though, you were in New York when September 11th happened, right?

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was in New York.

• 2:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the thing. I was, I saw it on TV from the West Coast. But the people that were there, I think it hit you a lot even, even harder. I mean, it has to have hit you way harder. If, I felt it when I went back there, which was like a few months later, I felt it.

• 2:01:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  It felt different.

• 2:01:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that shit, like.

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  I was, I was living in LA, but I was visiting.

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  And I was so homesick for New York, when I'd go back to New York back then, I'd stay awhile. You know, and then the night before the Trade Center went down, you know, Will Silvins?

• 2:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:02:08Speaker 01

  He was living in Jersey City, and I used to live in that apartment in Jersey City. So then, he's like, I might have some people over. So I took the train and took the World Trade Center, the train, the PATH train. And it's funny, because back then, when I was living here and going to New York, I was like, let me look around, like, I miss this place. Let me, there's so much shit that I didn't pay attention to before. And so I was in the World Trade Center the day before it went down, like, like, damn, I didn't even notice how great this ceiling was, and how much detail they put into shit. And I got on the train, went to Will's crib, and then I got a ride home that night. So, next morning, my sister woke me up, and I'm like, watching the first tower with a plane sticking out of it.

• 2:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:02:52Speaker 01

  And then, I was like, I was yesterday there. And then, I'm watching, I was like, that ain't another plane.

• 2:03:03Speaker 01

  I was like, did it? And, and then I almost hit under the bed.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  How far away were you miles-wise?

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  I was in Long Island, so.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Fifty?

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  Fifty, like, an hour drive.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  But, I ju- just like, I was like, we're under attack. And you're like, I don't know where these attacks are coming from, and I don't normally feel like a coward. But I was like, something, where they gonna attack next?

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:31Speaker 01

  You know? So it was just that type of, of vibe, but.

• 2:03:35Joe Rogan?

  I'm worried that another one of those is coming. And the danger of that is, obviously, people are gonna die, and obviously, it could be horrific if something does happen, if a terrorist attack does happen.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  But the one thing it'll wake people up to like what the consequences of what we do overseas. It means something here.

• 2:03:59Speaker 01

  It does.

• 2:03:59Joe Rogan?

  It's not just a video on your phone.

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  It it it it does.

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  People are dying.

• 2:04:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  And we are funding it and there's. There's real evil in the world. Evil's a real thing. You could not believe in the devil and you could not believe in God, but evil actions are documented for out. For throughout history and there's only one way to combat evil, you know, you, you have to. You have to have a strong force of good. But that that good has to be really good. It has to actually be good. And if it's pretending to be good and it's actually participating in evil. And then you you find out about it and you're like, well, what the fu- this is like in nineteen thirty three. This guy Smedley Butler, Major General Smedley Butler.

• 2:04:46Joe Rogan?

  He wrote a book called War is a Racket in nineteen thirty three.

• 2:04:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's early.

• 2:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen thirty three.

• 2:04:52Speaker 01

  That's pretty early.

• 2:04:53Joe Rogan?

  And he broke down how he thought he was over here to protect people, but he was really there to make. You know, make it safe for bankers or do whatever the fuck he had to do, control oil and control. Whatever minerals or gold or whatever the hell they were doing, but he realized at the end of his career, war is a racket.

• 2:05:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:13Joe Rogan?

  And this is thirty three, man. They tried to get him to overthrow the government.

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  The American government?

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  They tried to get, they tried to get him to participate in a military coup against the government.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  Who who was in charge back then?

• 2:05:25Joe Rogan?

  We just went over this the other day, right? Jamie will pull it up.

• 2:05:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:05:30Joe Rogan?

  Um, it was before our time. So this is, I think this happened prior to that. So thirty two, maybe something like that.

• 2:05:38Speaker 01

  Some Woodrow Wilson shit?

• 2:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Some old timey shit. Well, they just, bro, they just got away with things back then. And now they have to hide it on layers and layers and layers of special interest groups and. NGOs and money being flowed around and it's just, it's all bullshit. And it's that bullshit is all over the news.

• 2:06:03Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:03Joe Rogan?

  And everyone's confused and everyone thinks it's the good guys versus the bad guys. And the more people get scared, the more people start looking for white hats and black hats.

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  And confusion is the greatest weapon.

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  So here it is, thirty-three, uh, United States, okay. The business plot called the Wall Street Putsch was, uh, the White House pu- how do you, is that push?

• 2:06:23Speaker 01

  Putsch, you said it right, cause it's a German word, cause they, they had putsches in Germany.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  So it was a conspiracy in thirty-three in the United States to overthrow the government of the president of Franklin D Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator. A retired military corps major general testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow Roosevelt. So they almost overthrew Roosevelt. Imagine if he went along with that.

• 2:06:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  In thirty-four, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Special Committee on Un-American Activities, uh, on these revelations. Although no one was prosecuted, the congressional, no one was prosecuted, that's wild.

• 2:07:05Speaker 01

  Typical.

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Even back then they were full shit, that's ninety years ago. The congressional committee final report said, "There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient." Motherfuckers, man. These motherfuckers have been dirty from the jump.

• 2:07:25Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm-

• 2:07:26Joe Rogan?

  Dirty from day one.

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, dirty from day one. Smedley, God bless him with that face, I wouldn't trust him, but he was more trustworthy than his face. He had Cash Patel eyes.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  He probably needed glasses. They had shitty glasses back then.

• 2:07:41Speaker 01

  Shitty glasses. He has those Cash Patel eyes, like, Cash, like, do something to look more believable.

• 2:07:49Joe Rogan?

  When you're not telling the truth and you're doing that, it's a problem.

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  I was like-

• 2:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, imagine that job, like you say, I'm gonna uncover the truth and you get into office and they're like, this is where your kids sleep, this is where your mom lives, this is.

• 2:08:04Speaker 01

  Ah, yeah, yeah, it's cold.

• 2:08:08Joe Rogan?

  It's cold. Like, you realize how deep the web runs and how the web's gonna be there after you're gone. You're gonna be here for four years, you know, while this guy's the president and as soon as he's out, once we take over again, then you're fucked.

• 2:08:22Speaker 01

  The promise of something better from either party, because both of them ain't shit.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Yep, and you can only switch parties once.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:29Joe Rogan?

  You can't go back and forth and back and forth. Nobody has. People have switched. They've gone from Democrat to Republican. And I think, have people gone from Republican to Democrat? I believe so.

• 2:08:40Speaker 01

  If you're a politician or just if you're like a regular citizen?

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Um, no, as a citizen, you can go back and forth all you want. You can be a fucking complete schizophrenic and do it every month.

• 2:08:52Speaker 01

  Hilarious. I mean, I don't even blame someone who does that because.

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  If you're a public person, though, like, can you switch sides? You can only switch sides once.

• 2:09:03Speaker 01

  If you're a politician.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's weird when people do because they don't just switch sides with like who they vote for. They switch their whole ideology.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  And it's usually, like what I see recently, it's from liberal to they get red pilled and then they become a conservative. But then they go all in and conservative, like all in, they go hard, they like, they might even go to the point where why is, why is gay marriage real? You know, they might get crazy.

• 2:09:31Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 2:09:31Joe Rogan?

  And then it's hard to take them seriously because now you made a 180 degree shift when you're in your 40s. Like, really? You changed everything you believe in?

• 2:09:42Speaker 01

  I think you have to prove so hard to people that's been Republicans, that you're a Republican, that you go overboard.

• 2:09:48Joe Rogan?

  You gotta go hard.

• 2:09:49Speaker 01

  You gotta go hard. It's like. Like, I grew up in Long Island, there was some hard pockets of hardcore motherfuckers there. But they were trying to be Brooklyn. But they're not in Brooklyn. So you ain't gonna get the respect of Brooklyn. You ain't gonna get the respect of Bronx, you Long Island. So it's like, we gotta wild out down here. Like, we gotta go hard. And so, you, you, there are places like Wine Dance, like, you, you don't wanna go to Wine Dance.

• 2:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Wine Dance?

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, Wine, Wine Dance. It just-

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  I've never even heard of it.

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, it was, it's tough down there. Some rap, some good rappers came out of Wine Dance, too.

• 2:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, Wu-Tang came out of Staten Island, which is crazy.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, Staten Island was wild, too.

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just like, you don't think of Staten Island as being the birthplace of the greatest rap group of all time.

• 2:10:31Speaker 01

  True. But they had the credit of being a borough. Like, Long Island-

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  Like, Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island, have a, Long Island's like, what are you?

• 2:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Suburbs.

• 2:10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're the suburb.

• 2:10:45Joe Rogan?

  Suburbs.

• 2:10:45Speaker 01

  But they're like, no, no, we, we get down, we get down.

• 2:10:48Joe Rogan?

  They got good pizza.

• 2:10:49Speaker 01

  And they're like, shut up.

• 2:10:51Joe Rogan?

  It's not the same.

• 2:10:52Speaker 01

  You're not a borough.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  It's, yeah, it's true. It's different, right? People think it is different. Is it considered a borough officially?

• 2:10:58Speaker 01

  Nah, it's not.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  It's not?

• 2:11:00Speaker 01

  Nah. Like, you grew up in Boston.

• 2:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  Like, like, were you in Boston, Boston? And if you were, what about the parts outside of Boston that felt left out of the notoriety?

• 2:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:12Speaker 01

  Like, like, they weren't getting the street cred. They had zero street cred.

• 2:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:17Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Woburn.

• 2:11:18Speaker 01

  Woburn? Oh, that's hilarious.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  Woburn. Framingham. Outside of Boston, yeah.

• 2:11:24Speaker 01

  But, but you wanna be. Like, if they go somewhere-

• 2:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They say they're from Boston.

• 2:11:29Speaker 01

  They say they're from Boston.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Yeah.

• 2:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  But the regular Boston people will get mad at you. They'll call you out. Oh, you're from Woburn.

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:11:37Joe Rogan?

  Fuck are you talking about?

• 2:11:37Speaker 01

  New York is like that, too. Like, I'm from New York. What part? Yes.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  Westchester. Shut up.

• 2:11:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're not gonna pass the second part of the where you from quiz.

• 2:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:11:47Speaker 01

  And that's when they go, going on.

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Unless you say, right off the bat, you know, I'm from Queens.

• 2:11:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh, okay.

• 2:11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:54Joe Rogan?

  That's real.

• 2:11:54Speaker 01

  There's no second question once you say Queens.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Uh, I'm from the Bronx. Oh, okay.

• 2:11:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  She's Jenny from the Bronx.

• 2:12:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's always, you know what? If you're trying to lie, just name, like you said.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:07Speaker 01

  Name the part you're from, like where you're from. But if you say New York.

• 2:12:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:12Speaker 01

  That's when shit is suspect.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Sarasota, Sarasota, New York. I'm from Albany.

• 2:12:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I used to think it was all one place.

• 2:12:21Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Living in Boston, I didn't know. It's like, what is, so what is the difference in these boroughs? Like, oh, you want a 212 area code, you do? Like, why? Why do you care? I remember that was a big thing about LA. Like, that was one of the things about Brody Stevens. 818 till I die. Like, you, when you lived in the valley, you had an 818 area code and people looked down at you.

• 2:12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:43Joe Rogan?

  People would make jokes about it. I don't date people that aren't 310 or 213.

• 2:12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that's why Brody was funny. Because he stood on his. He stood on 818.

• 2:12:56Joe Rogan?

  He stood on the valley.

• 2:12:57Speaker 01

  He stood on the valley. Normally.

• 2:12:58Joe Rogan?

  Nobody rap for the valley.

• 2:12:59Speaker 01

  You do like I do. I say I'm from New York. I'm from LA. He didn't say I'm from LA. He said I'm from Reseda. He named the town, named the, the, the, the area code of his phone number and like stood on that shit. Like.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I never even tried to live in LA. I was like, the moment I moved there, I was like, uh-uh. I'm not doing this. I gotta get outside of this thing. I gotta get outside of this thing and then go visit.

• 2:13:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to live in that thing. Cause I had friends that like lived like in West Hollywood. Like my friend Eddie lived like in West Hollywood, like right in the heat of everything. And I was like, damn dude, he goes, I like being like right where everything is. I'm like, yeah, but this is also right where everything is. Like, how do you sleep?

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  That's, that's, it felt like that's what you, you moved to Hollywood to be in Hollywood.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:13:47Speaker 01

  To become a part, that's, that's, that was the thinking.

• 2:13:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:51Speaker 01

  So even, like I've known you, even you saying you never lived there, that's a shock to me.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my thinking was the opposite. My thing was like, I gotta get outside of this thing.

• 2:14:00Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 2:14:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, I found out, I, I lived in Bell Canyon for a while and one of the things.

• 2:14:04Speaker 01

  Where the hell's that?

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Thirty miles outside LA. That's where I lived most of the time I was in LA. Yeah. Yeah, I bought a house out there in ninety seven. Yeah, like when I first started making money, I'm like, I gotta get away from all these people. I wanted to be in like wilderness. First of all, I have dogs. I needed a backyard. So I lived in Encino for a little while. I rented a house in Encino, but that was too close too. Encino was still too close. Yeah, I was like, I gotta get outside. I gotta get away. I gotta get out. I wanted to go to Thousand Oaks. I wanted to go way out. I wanted to go where regular people live. Where you could just fucking take a breath. Like, I never liked, like, the parties, Hollywood parties.

• 2:14:46Joe Rogan?

  I was like, uh-uh. Every time I go, I feel like, uh, just, it just felt like I, I wanted to run out of there, like. Get me out of here. Like, this is, no one's relaxed. Everyone's, this is fake and weird. I was like, I need, I need to live outside of this thing and then go visit it.

• 2:15:04Speaker 01

  And go visit. I was in it. I lived in Hollywood, but it was in the cut. It was like Ivar, if you go Ivar. You're at the bottom of the hills. And it's quiet. It's pretty. And then, then you come out. But it was, so I was like, oh, I like this. But on the flats, like, just, like, in Hollywood Hollywood, like, I, I get what you're saying, but I did feel like I needed to be near it.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. No, I get the, I get the wanting to be near it. And I thought about it for a while, but I just know me. Like, I need downtime. I go hard. And when I go hard, I need like off time. I need like completely off. Sit down, relax, and think about shit. Cause I need to know what I think. And the only way I know what I think is if there's not a lot of noise going on. I can't just operate on momentum. I feel like when you operate on momentum all the time, you make shit decisions. You know, you, you, you start like going down roads you shouldn't be going down. You're like, what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing with my life?

• 2:16:10Speaker 01

  So did you, did you plot your life out a lot?

• 2:16:14Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm just like, I just like go on instinct. My instinct was like, get away from everybody. Like, go quiet. I wanna just wake up in the morning, have coffee on the porch, and just hear birds chirping and see. You know, see a fucking deer bounce by, like, that's what I like. I like to relax.

• 2:16:28Speaker 01

  That's some cool shit.

• 2:16:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to, if I'm in Manhattan, bam bam, fuck you, I'm like, I don't feel relaxed.

• 2:16:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:16:35Joe Rogan?

  This is a place for me to visit.

• 2:16:36Speaker 01

  Visit.

• 2:16:37Joe Rogan?

  But it's just my personality, like, whatever it is with me. Like, even when I lived in New York, I I live, I couldn't afford an apartment that had a rental. I couldn't afford a rental car space. But I needed a car for the road.

• 2:16:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:16:51Joe Rogan?

  Cause I took the total opposite approach of you. I did not do the clubs in the city very often.

• 2:16:56Speaker 01

  No, that's where I met you.

• 2:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. No, I still did some of them.

• 2:17:00Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  But most of the road is mostly the road is what I did.

• 2:17:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:17:04Joe Rogan?

  So I did a lot of gigs in Long Island, had a lot of gigs in New Jersey, because that paid real money and I could do an hour. You know, I was like, I could get better in the city, but I'm getting better in these five and 10 minute spots. Like, I need time. I need like real time to put together an act. Because when you were in Boston, you always went on the road. Everybody did the road.

• 2:17:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:17:25Joe Rogan?

  So it didn't make sense to me to be like, just doing one 10 minute spot and another 10 minute spot. I'm like, I can't, I.

• 2:17:31Speaker 01

  I I thought the opposite. This is why, so I was doing all those shows that you were doing. Like, the, for the, for the hour, for the feature. First I started hosting, but then I was like, I need to get on TV so that I can get on the road.

• 2:17:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:47Speaker 01

  And then people booked me in and come see me. So then I said, let me go to Manhattan, which takes me out of the hour situation. But in these 15 minute spots, build, people see me, put you on this TV show, put you on that TV show. And like, as a stand-up, as, you know, like, you know, like the improv or whatever, like, stand-up show that they were having in, cause back then it's like a few late night show appearances. And then boom, then you could be on the road. So I went that route. And that was my mentality for probably way after the shit changed.

• 2:18:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you kept, you hang, hung on to it too long.

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, even living in LA.

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:27Speaker 01

  I remember, this is, this is, I was with Kevin Hart, right? He just moved to LA and he, I wrote on his sitcom, The Big House. And then, he's booking, he's a good actor, like, and when he walks, like, I've helped him audition before, but I didn't really help him audition. He would just be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he wouldn't say all the words, but he would nail the feeling of the shit. And he's like, you don't have to remember everything. And it was like, it was an eye-opening experience. And then, but then he said, I want to be on the road like Cat Williams. I was like, why you want to do that?

• 2:19:06Speaker 01

  Get another TV show and then, then the fame of the TV show will get you on the road. Thank God that nigga didn't listen to me.

• 2:19:18Speaker 01

  He went on the road, he's doing like fifteen hundred dollars, you know, the, you know, the route to Bill and, and collecting emails.

• 2:19:27Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:19:27Speaker 01

  It's the complete opposite and fucking Kevin Hart's Kevin Hart.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, he was always very smart about the social media thing and treated it like a separate business. Cause like I remember, there was a story about someone wanted access to his social media to promote a project they were doing. He was like, no.

• 2:19:44Speaker 01

  Sony.

• 2:19:45Joe Rogan?

  That's a totally different deal. Like, you got, one deal, you got Kevin Hart to act in your movie. Another deal, you get access to Kevin Hart's Instagram. Like, I built this.

• 2:19:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:19:54Joe Rogan?

  This is my business and if you want to do that, we can talk, but it's, this is not the same deal.

• 2:19:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, oh, okay, that, because they did that to a lot of people. They did that to Arsenio. I remember Arsenio Hall was at the Ice House and you remember he had, the Arsenio Hall Show came back?

• 2:20:10Speaker 01

  Came back, yeah, I remember.

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  So when it came back, they took over his social media. That was part of the deal and then they didn't give it back to him.

• 2:20:18Speaker 01

  What? Yes.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  And this is a long time afterwards, like months and months and months afterwards. We were hanging out at the Ice House and he's like, I can't get my social media back.

• 2:20:27Speaker 01

  And he built that from being on The Apprentice?

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Also from the original Arsenio Hall Show. Yeah, which was an iconic show. I mean, he did everything. He did stand-up, I mean, Arsenio Hall was in movies.

• 2:20:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:20:40Joe Rogan?

  And they took his fucking social media.

• 2:20:42Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It was crazy, but that was, they were trying to make deals like that.

• 2:20:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:20:49Joe Rogan?

  When I was doing that show, Joe Rogan questions everything, they wanted to do that. That was gonna be a part of the deal, they'd take over my social media.

• 2:20:55Speaker 01

  And what year was, what year was that?

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  Two thousand twelve, maybe?

• 2:20:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, you had a, you had a strong.

• 2:21:01Joe Rogan?

  It was okay, it was nothing like, not as big as it is now, but it was big enough that I was like, fuck, it's bigger than you.

• 2:21:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, it was bigger than.

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you as in them.

• 2:21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I know, but it was big, it was big for then, for then, I think.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  It was, it was pretty big, but my point is like for me, when they were saying to me, I'm like, my show, my social media presence is bigger than you. Like, you have a network, your network social media is not nearly as big as my, my one person social, why would I do that? Why would I let you have access to it? And they wanted to be able to promote their other shows on my social media.

• 2:21:33Speaker 01

  And then just dilute it and turn it into something, that's crazy.

• 2:21:35Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, they could write on it whatever they wanted to, whatever, and they said, other artists aren't having a problem with us doing this. This was like their argument, it was like a hang up in the deal. And I was like, abso fucking lutely not, like if I post something, even if it sucks, I want people to know that came out of my fat little thumbs. Like, I wrote that, that's it, whether you like it or you hate it, know that it came from me. And when they did that, I was like, oh, so how many people have been doing this? And it was a bunch of my friends had to sign off deals like that.

• 2:22:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  It was part of the deal, if you wanted to do this new show, you had to give them access to your social media. Not just access, control of your social media.

• 2:22:12Speaker 01

  That is wild.

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 2:22:13Speaker 01

  That's that into perpetuity type shit that they put in contracts when you do like a stand up set on something. And like, what, what do you plan on doing this material?

• 2:22:23Joe Rogan?

  Ah, nothing.

• 2:22:23Speaker 01

  And then they say, they actually mentioned space and planets.

• 2:22:29Speaker 01

  Don't they, in those contracts?

• 2:22:31Joe Rogan?

  There's some contracts like that.

• 2:22:32Speaker 01

  And you're like, whoa, what the fuck do you know that I don't know?

• 2:22:37Joe Rogan?

  I read about a contract, I don't know if this is true, that, um, it was some sort of a Scientology contract that is like into infinity. Like to the end of the universe.

• 2:22:49Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  It's like, talk about covering your bases.

• 2:22:52Speaker 01

  Covering.

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Not even until you die. Like, until time runs out.

• 2:22:56Speaker 01

  Billion year commitment.

• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Sea Org, here it is.

• 2:22:58Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:23:01Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:23:01Joe Rogan?

  A symbolic billion year commitment, which functions as a perpetual contract with no expiration date, while other staff members sign employment contracts of varying lengths. Sometimes short term is just 2.5 years, but potentially extending to five years or more. And these agreements may be disguised as volunteer or religious worker contracts to avoid labor laws. So the Sea Org, if, I think, click on Sea Org. I think he collected that.

• 2:23:28Speaker 01

  How much were they paying you a week?

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Nothing.

• 2:23:30Speaker 01

  To, to, to sign off on that contract?

• 2:23:32Joe Rogan?

  They give you nothing. They give you, you get nothing and you're happy. You just can't believe you're a part of the Sea Org.

• 2:23:37Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be in the Sea Org.

• 2:23:39Joe Rogan?

  It's.

• 2:23:40Speaker 01

  That's wild, bro.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Wild. Billion year contract.

• 2:23:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's wild.

• 2:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, they, they, you know, people have been doing that, taking advantage of young artists in particular forever. Like, that's why Prince had to change his name to Assemble.

• 2:23:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:23:53Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's, they, they've been doing that to people forever. Jared Leto's going through that shit right, you know, he went through that shit with his band. It's just, there's always going to be a business that takes advantage of you and makes it look like it's not a big deal.

• 2:24:08Speaker 01

  Like, Spotify? Like, I know this is Spotify, but there's a lot of beef about Spotify right now.

• 2:24:17Joe Rogan?

  What's the big beef?

• 2:24:19Speaker 01

  Uh, just artists ain't getting paid.

• 2:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the people who get paid are the people that own the records, unfortunately.

• 2:24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:24:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the, that's the, if you own your label or you own your catalog, then you get paid.

• 2:24:32Joe Rogan?

  It's just, what contracts did you sign? That's the thing, it's like, if you're an upcoming artist today and you're listening to this, do you need a record label?

• 2:24:41Speaker 01

  You don't.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Do you really need a, why, no one's buying records, right?

• 2:24:46Speaker 01

  How do you, how do you get your shit played? Outside of? Like, it's easy to avoid a label.

• 2:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:55Speaker 01

  Right?

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:56Speaker 01

  But how do you get your shit heard?

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, it has to go viral.

• 2:25:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:00Joe Rogan?

  It has, so it has to be undeniable.

• 2:25:02Speaker 01

  Is, is anything really going viral, or is it?

• 2:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Artificial viral.

• 2:25:07Speaker 01

  Artificial viral, like what's?

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Both, both things are happening, yeah. There's definitely real, still real viral. But there's a lot of artificial viral, and that's what a record company can do for you.

• 2:25:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:17Joe Rogan?

  It can make you go artificial viral.

• 2:25:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:25:19Joe Rogan?

  And they, it will go viral if you're good, but it's like they can juice it up to a point, but what's the cost? They want like fifty percent. They want some insane amount of money from your touring. You're touring.

• 2:25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  You're touring. And that's- You're doing live performances, they don't even sing a word and they get paid.

• 2:25:38Speaker 01

  And that's where, like, artists used to get ripped off in their deals, but they used to make money touring.

• 2:25:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:47Speaker 01

  But then they cut into the touring now.

• 2:25:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, because they weren't making any money selling records anymore.

• 2:25:52Speaker 01

  Because who was making the money?

• 2:25:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, like, nobody was for a long time, right? It was just streaming, but then there was like Apple streaming and Apple, you'd have to pay a dollar. Spotify ate them up.

• 2:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just, nobody buys music on Apple anymore. I mean, I used to listen to, before I signed my Spotify deal, everything was Apple Music.

• 2:26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  And for the longest time, I wasn't even using Spotify. And then once I started using, I was like, oh, this is better.

• 2:26:19Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  And that was it. I get it if you're an artist and you're like, you're not getting paid, like, I get it. I don't know what to say. I don't know why you signed that deal. I don't know what the circumstances were. I don't know how those deals are even legal.

• 2:26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know how, if, like, I got, like, my special is coming out on YouTube, so I got, there's, there's a way for comics to do it without signing a big deal.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:26:46Speaker 01

  Or signing everything away, giving it over to somebody for less than you showed, or even if it pays a-

• 2:26:54Speaker 01

  A legit amount, there's, you know, it's not for a billion.

• 2:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:58Speaker 01

  You, you can keep it. But I don't know if you're a musician, like, what way you can get your shit heard.

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  You gotta put it out like that. You gotta put it out on YouTube, put it out on social media, someone has to retweet it, someone has to hear about it, talk about it on a podcast, you can get it out. You know, we were talking about, it's a little late, but we were talking about that Johnny Thunder song, I'm Alive. We played it yesterday and then Jamie brought up that after we first started playing it on the podcast like two years ago. It's a song, song from nineteen sixty-nine, that was like a lost song.

• 2:27:33Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  And Brian Simpson brought it to the mothership and he's like, this is gonna be like one of your favorite songs, you gotta listen to this. And we played it in the green room and I was like, holy shit. And we had to figure out that it was from nineteen sixty-nine, like, when was this? Like, who was this guy? Like, what, what is the deal? The dude, back then, apparently was still alive and he died like a year later. So he might have died knowing that his song had started to become big again. Cause then it started appearing in commercials.

• 2:28:00Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  It was in a bunch of commercials. What were the commercials again?

• 2:28:05Speaker 03

  Samsung, Lincoln, I think like Mountain Dew.

• 2:28:07Speaker 01

  Did he own it?

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. He was only, he only had this one song that was amazing.

• 2:28:15Speaker 03

  That's why I was looking that up yesterday, he actually had a billboard, billboard hit before that.

• 2:28:19Joe Rogan?

  What was that one?

• 2:28:20Speaker 03

  Uh, Loopy Loop.

• 2:28:22Joe Rogan?

  Was it good?

• 2:28:22Speaker 03

  I didn't, I was gonna play it yesterday, but I didn't get to it.

• 2:28:25Joe Rogan?

  Let's play it.

• 2:28:25Speaker 01

  I say a Loopy Loop.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  Let's say a Loopy Loop. But the point is, like, he should have been a star. He should have been, I say Johnny Thunder and you're like, oh, I love that dude. His second album's amazing, you know?

• 2:28:37Speaker 01

  He should have been at least Chubby Checker.

• 2:28:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, stuff in number four on the pop chart.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  Do the twist.

• 2:28:43Speaker 01

  Chubby Checker got so much mileage off the twist. I've never seen somebody get that much mileage.

• 2:28:50Speaker 03

  I have to edit this out.

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we'll edit it out. Alright, kill this. This is terrible. Now play.

• 2:28:55Speaker 01

  He looked like the dude that was fighting Muhammad Ali. In his early.

• 2:29:03Joe Rogan?

  I'm Alive. Now, this, this is the fucking jam, son. This song. I listen to this song all the time. This is on regular playback.

• 2:29:14Speaker 01

  First of all, he looks like a Def Jam comic.

• 2:29:18Speaker 01

  That's number one.

• 2:29:21Speaker 01

  Or even like, like an R. Señor Hall, like back in the days.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  So what year was this, Jamie?

• 2:29:28Speaker 03

  This one was 69. And then I also read that he had been, uh, performing with The Drifters? And did the backup vocals, I think, for like Dionne Warwick or something like that.

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  That song to me is just proof that there's a lot of factors involved in making it. Because that guy should have been a fucking superstar. That is a superstar song.

• 2:29:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I'm listening to, just the opening.

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:52Speaker 01

  I was like, let's stop there. Let's stop there and take that in for a second. And then it switched. I wasn't even ready for the switch, but I was like, let me go, let me go with this.

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  It's so good.

• 2:30:05Speaker 01

  Then I could see it in like the beginning or the end of so many TV shows.

• 2:30:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:10Speaker 01

  Like, I was like, oh, this, this is.

• 2:30:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is the guy that wrote that song.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  Tommy James.

• 2:30:14Speaker 03

  And performed it and recorded it a year after.

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:30:18Speaker 03

  That we just listened to.

• 2:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:30:21Speaker 03

  Tommy James and the Shandells.

• 2:30:22Joe Rogan?

  He sang "Moni, Moni." That was another song that like.

• 2:30:28Joe Rogan?

  That was a famous song that, uh, what's his face?

• 2:30:33Joe Rogan?

  The guy with the hair. God damn it. Billy Idol.

• 2:30:37Speaker 01

  Billy Idol.

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Billy Idol came out with it.

• 2:30:38Speaker 03

  81.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Which also seems like a million years ago. That was when I was in high school. How weird, man.

• 2:30:47Speaker 01

  I know. First of all, the, when he, when "Loopy Loop" was a hit, and then he made the other song that wasn't a hit, I knew he was pissed.

• 2:30:54Joe Rogan?

  I know. Can you imagine?

• 2:30:56Speaker 01

  Imagine like, that's, that's what y'all like?

• 2:30:59Speaker 01

  Loopy Loop? You all ain't heard Alive? This is, I, this, listen to their Alive shit.

• 2:31:05Joe Rogan?

  It's, ah, sometimes people just put it all together for one, I mean, that's the thing about songs, right? Like the one-hit-wonder thing?

• 2:31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:11Speaker 03

  It's a different time, I mean, it was the early 60s, they're coming out, I don't know how big-

• 2:31:14Joe Rogan?

  It was before the drugs.

• 2:31:15Speaker 03

  Radio, you know?

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Early 60s, people were still naive, they were goofy.

• 2:31:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  They were still Father Knows Best. You know, they're all-

• 2:31:22Speaker 01

  Father Knows Best.

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, Leave It To Beaver, huh? They were goofy. People were goofy in 63, by 69, they got wild. It was real quick.

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  I wonder what people with internet minds back then did?

• 2:31:37Joe Rogan?

  Drugs.

• 2:31:37Speaker 01

  Or people with internet mi- in- internet mentality? How did they mask in society? How did they cope in society?

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  They read a lot of comic books.

• 2:31:47Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they went to comic book shops, they went to like punk rock concerts.

• 2:31:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they had a like fine gro- they went to CBGBs.

• 2:31:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:56Joe Rogan?

  They had to find places where they could fit in.

• 2:31:58Speaker 01

  There's no online forums for that.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  No, it was a factory for turning people into drones.

• 2:32:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  That was society back then. Turn you into a worker drone.

• 2:32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:10Joe Rogan?

  Oof.

• 2:32:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, because school already trains us for it.

• 2:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:32:14Speaker 01

  Like, every, the bell rings, you get up, you go to the next class, and-

• 2:32:18Joe Rogan?

  It's designed for that.

• 2:32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:20Joe Rogan?

  It's not the best way to teach kids, and guys like you and I, they label you as like ADHD or something, right?

• 2:32:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:25Joe Rogan?

  Did you get labeled?

• 2:32:26Speaker 01

  I didn't get labeled because, I don't know why, I kinda, like, my, my father and them was like, you know, they're immigrants, they, they like, "So you gotta work hard," you know what I mean? "So you gotta like apply yourself and you, this is a," they went out of their way to provide this opportunity. So, I didn't wanna blow it up to a certain point, but after a certain point, like, I was gonna do comedy, which was something that they didn't expect or would have wanted me to do.

• 2:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:32:58Speaker 01

  But high school and college, like, I didn't mind, you know what I mean? Maybe around college, that's when shit started to get like a little wonky, but the high school shit, like, alright, I, I, I can get some good grades, that's, I can follow that blueprint up until there and a little bit after, but then in college, that's when shit like-

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, then they're prepping you for the real world, and you realize it's gonna be your whole day, doing shit you don't wanna do, and there's no joy in Mudville, and you're like, fuck.

• 2:33:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're into it, unless like college is like whatever subject that you want to pursue in life is that's the way to go. You know, if you want to be an astronomer, that's how you learn. You know, but for for comic, like college is just like, why, why am I forced to do this? Like, why am I making myself do this? Like, what is the end goal? If I get a job, I'm fucked.

• 2:33:48Speaker 01

  Right. I knew that I always wanted to like have, make a decent amount of money and be middle class. That was the, I was like, so you gotta go to college, right? To do that. That's, that's the way we were programmed.

• 2:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:01Speaker 01

  But the instant comedy came into my mind. It was never a risk for me. Like, I was never risking that stability for the gamble of comedy.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  What did it feel like instead of a risk?

• 2:34:19Speaker 01

  The only thing to do.

• 2:34:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know what you mean.

• 2:34:24Speaker 01

  Like, there's, there was a switch, and once you turned it on, that shit was broke, couldn't go back the other way. And this is what we was doing.

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of how you have to be if you want to do it. I, I think that's the same with music. I think that's the same with literature. You want to write books.

• 2:34:41Speaker 01

  I feel lucky about it, though.

• 2:34:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:34:44Speaker 01

  Because there's people that were able to turn their switch back off. Mine is still on.

• 2:34:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's because you're doing the right thing. You're doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing.

• 2:34:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:34:59Joe Rogan?

  And people, there's, there's people that turn that switch off because there's something else drags them in. Or they can't beat their demons.

• 2:35:07Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 2:35:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's a lot of people that, there's a lot of different, there's some demons are like, they're not even dark demons. They're like gray demons, like depression. They can't beat the demon of a dull depression. They don't, they don't have the energy to write. They don't have the energy to perform. They don't have the energy to eat healthy. They don't have the energy to do shit. And then they just settle into a mundane life. Because they can't beat those demons. And they also don't have support. There's a lot of those dudes that get real dark because they don't have support. They don't have friends.

• 2:35:40Speaker 01

  I, I, listen, and I, and I, and I feel, I don't, I feel bad for those people. I don't, I don't know, we don't even know what happened to this guy. Who we just played, like what.

• 2:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, what went wrong?

• 2:35:51Speaker 01

  What went wrong, what deterred him, what took him off track.

• 2:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:55Speaker 01

  But he clearly had something. I've seen people with something. And I like, I remember, damn, I don't know if I can remember his name. We're all doing open mics. Like we're grinding, we're bombing. Then this guy comes in one night. And he's at the governor's. He goes on stage. He's our age. He rips. I mean, we're like, even we're like.

• 2:36:20Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:36:22Speaker 01

  Hey man, what's, what's your name? Tells us. His name might come to me in a minute. I say, how many? How long you been doing it? This is my first time. And then, it was like that every time he went on stage. And we hung out with him. And it was just, we're like, this guy. We're, it's like, we're pleased for him and we're his biggest fans and we're angry at him at the same time.

• 2:36:47Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36:47Speaker 01

  And then, he just disappeared.

• 2:36:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:54Speaker 01

  Then I ran into him in Queens and he was kinda doing it. But it wasn't the same, like the Muhammad Ali thing.

• 2:37:00Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:37:01Speaker 01

  He stopped training for enough years.

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:05Speaker 01

  To like, lose it all. To not even be as good as the first time we saw him, which was his first time.

• 2:37:13Joe Rogan?

  One of the reasons why I talk about the way I approach things is because I think, I wish someone had told me the little pitfalls that life will throw you and the little games that will be played. In front of you, where you have to make decisions of which way to go. And, and if something went wrong, you gotta make the decision to pull yourself up and figure out how to make it better. Like, what do I have to do to keep going? But clearly, I'm on a path. Other people are doing this path. I gotta figure out how to do this. Some people just get to those pitfalls and then they never recover. They just, they just, they start drinking, they start eating too much, they start doing this, they start doing that.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  They get into a bad funk, they lose some money, they get into a toxic relationship, that's a big one. That's a big one. That's one of the big distractions that people do, and they don't even realize they're doing it. You're distracting yourself from having success in life by being addicted to this relationship that you're in with this person. Where you yell at each other and, you know, who knows? Who knows what your, your particular brand of chaos is? But the one thing that it has in common, it's a gigantic distraction from you doing what you want to do in life. And you don't have your shit together, so you find someone else who doesn't have your shit together. And you pile all your shit together and make it way worse.

• 2:38:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  And you both fuck each other's lives up. And at the end of it, maybe one of you will write a song about it.

• 2:38:38Speaker 01

  But that's when it's worth it.

• 2:38:41Speaker 01

  Even when you're talking about bad relationships, I like, shit, that's material.

• 2:38:44Joe Rogan?

  It is material. It is material. And it's a lot of fun.

• 2:38:46Speaker 01

  I never go on a bad date, because if a date is good, it's good. If it's bad, then it's material.

• 2:38:52Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:38:53Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:38:54Speaker 01

  So comics complain about dates. I'm like, that's an experience. That's some shit you could bring to the stage.

• 2:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:39:00Speaker 01

  Like, why are you down about this?

• 2:39:03Joe Rogan?

  How many times has someone told you a crazy story, like in the green room or something like that? You're like, have you said that on stage yet?

• 2:39:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:09Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, no, can I?

• 2:39:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I tell people all the time, like, that is, like, sometimes, my friend, he just broke up with his girl. He's sad, he's talking about it. I was like, damn, this nigga don't know how funny he's about to be.

• 2:39:24Speaker 01

  And he's crying.

• 2:39:25Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:39:26Speaker 01

  He's crying like.

• 2:39:29Joe Rogan?

  Some of the greatest comedy came out of broken hearts.

• 2:39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  Look at Kinison. I was married twice. This whole thing.

• 2:39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  This whole thing was like, just getting his heart broken.

• 2:39:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:39:40Joe Rogan?

  He, one of his best bits was he sat at the piano and sang a love song to his ex.

• 2:39:44Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 2:39:45Joe Rogan?

  It's like, I hope you die. I hope you slide under a gas truck and taste your own blood. Die, die. I want my records back. I want my fucking records back.

• 2:39:58Joe Rogan?

  It was like, and you looked at him, you just believed it all, cause like, of course, he's a little fat guy with no hair.

• 2:40:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:40:06Joe Rogan?

  People are gonna dump on him. It's not gonna work out, you know? Even if you're famous and you look like that, it's gonna, they're gonna get tired of you.

• 2:40:12Speaker 01

  He's a walking underdog story.

• 2:40:14Joe Rogan?

  He's a walking underdog story.

• 2:40:16Speaker 01

  Without even fucking explaining it and turning that shit into something.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:20Speaker 01

  And how do you not gravitate towards that? Like, every heartbreak that I've experienced, like, underneath in me, I'm like, man, don't worry. Once this cloud lifts, you'll be able to talk about this on stage.

• 2:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:37Speaker 01

  That's, that's a part of like, the survival. That's how far gone in this I am.

• 2:40:46Speaker 01

  And I'm just realizing it now as I talk to you.

• 2:40:48Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 2:40:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how, that's like, uh, yeah, it's like, trying to think of like, when bad shit, like, I got into, somebody hit my car. And I was like, this is going on stage, or just anything.

• 2:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:04Speaker 01

  It's just like, and sometimes I'm, when I, I don't have that many civilian friends anymore. But sometimes I used to just complain on the phone about an interaction.

• 2:41:14Joe Rogan?

  You know what's funny? Like, military people do not like us talking about non-comedians, not civilians.

• 2:41:21Speaker 01

  We're at war, baby.

• 2:41:24Speaker 01

  I know, I cannot, military people, I get that.

• 2:41:27Joe Rogan?

  I get it, but that is a term we have used forever.

• 2:41:29Speaker 01

  Forever.

• 2:41:30Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 2:41:30Speaker 01

  Forever. Like, the first time I heard somebody say it, I was like, how did you know that I said, I say that? The first time I ever heard a comic refer to other, to non-comics as civilians, I was like, that's what I say in my head. How the fuck did you? And it's like, nobody's stealing it from each other.

• 2:41:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  But all our terms are related to battle, like, bombs, killed.

• 2:41:51Joe Rogan?

  Yup, yup.

• 2:41:52Speaker 01

  Died. Died.

• 2:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:53Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:54Speaker 01

  So it's like, we, we all got battle terms.

• 2:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, cause it is kind of a mental battle.

• 2:41:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:42:00Joe Rogan?

  There's a weird battle of control, and there's always a lot of drunk people in the audience that don't want you taking control.

• 2:42:05Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:05Joe Rogan?

  They wanna take control of you. I mean, Don Al Rollins got his start as a heckler.

• 2:42:09Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 2:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Don Al Rollins, that's how he do proudly. He's like, I'm a proud heckler, son.

• 2:42:18Joe Rogan?

  It's really funny, but it's like, so it is kind of, there's a battle too, and it's also a battle of your own self. There's a battle inside of you to try to, like, what we were talking about before, to get to that flow state.

• 2:42:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is that battle?

• 2:42:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:30Joe Rogan?

  There's some nights I don't have it. I don't, it doesn't come. And then other nights, it's right there, the moment I start talking. I'm smiling, I'm in the groove, and it's like, wee.

• 2:42:40Speaker 01

  Do you have an inkling of it before?

• 2:42:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:43Speaker 01

  Did you do anything to get there?

• 2:42:44Joe Rogan?

  I always think about that. Generally, it has to be a day that I work out. Like, for me, I work out so much that if I don't work out, I get a little, just a little tense.

• 2:42:55Speaker 01

  First of all, you're in disrespectful shape. Your, your, your in shape-ness is disrespectful to me.

• 2:43:02Joe Rogan?

  Da, well, you gotta eat, mate, if you wanna get in this kinda shape, son. We gotta get chopped up soybeans.

• 2:43:06Speaker 01

  Where, where the elk at?

• 2:43:08Joe Rogan?

  I ate some today.

• 2:43:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  I cooked up some heart. I cooked up some heart for, for lunch.

• 2:43:14Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 2:43:15Joe Rogan?

  It's good.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  Heart for lunch.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what I ate. Elk heart.

• 2:43:18Speaker 01

  Elk heart, fuck it.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's a big key, man. Protein, animal protein. It's very important for, if you wanna keep going. The thing is, it's like, way easier to keep going, though, than it is to get going. Like, if you're 58 and you start working out now, like, woo, that's hard. But if you're 58 and you've been working out for... For me, like forty years.

• 2:43:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's not, I mean, like, hard for forty years, more than that, fifteen, so, yeah, more than that. Like, I probably started working out when I started wrestling, so that was like fourteen.

• 2:43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Karate was around the same time, then Taekwondo from fifteen on, so I've always worked out.

• 2:44:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  It's like, so my body just, if, if I don't work out for a day, my body's like, what's going on?

• 2:44:06Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  I'm trying to get rid of this stuff. Like, I don't want any anxiety, I don't want any tension, I wanna blow it out.

• 2:44:13Speaker 01

  You probably sleepwalk into the gym. You probably like wake up sometimes like, oh shit, I worked out.

• 2:44:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:18Speaker 01

  Like, I didn't, you pressed the button for the code and you was in there, you had no fucking idea.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why I like things that you can't sleepwalk through.

• 2:44:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you're doing like heavy rounds on the bag, like, you can't sleepwalk through ten rounds on the bag.

• 2:44:30Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:44:30Joe Rogan?

  When that seventh round comes around, you look at the timer, you're like, fuck, I got three more rounds.

• 2:44:36Speaker 01

  You do ten?

• 2:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:38Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 2:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Just got, I mean, I do it at my own pace, it's not like ten of fighting, but it's, you know, ten where you're, you're going at it.

• 2:44:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  It's, it, but that's the point. The point is that when it's done, I'm like, ah, I fucking did it. And it's really, ten is only thirty minutes of work.

• 2:44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, yeah, fighting is, fighting is taxing.

• 2:44:58Joe Rogan?

  This is ten, three-minute rounds when I hit the bag. But like, think about a MMA fight, it's five-minute rounds, that's crazy.

• 2:45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

• 2:45:05Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, and another dude is trying to kill you.

• 2:45:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:07Joe Rogan?

  For five minutes.

• 2:45:08Speaker 01

  And you're getting hit.

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:45:09Speaker 01

  In that time.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Ah, and you're getting choked and body slammed, and your arms getting yanked out of socket.

• 2:45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Then you have to recover, they got ice on your shin in between rounds, like, fuck, am I doing with my life? I should've went to school.

• 2:45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is a crazy mentality type of life. God bless them.

• 2:45:26Joe Rogan?

  God bless them, and they, they have to be all in too. The way you're all in with comedy, and you always have been, they have to be all in with fighting. And even then, there's no guarantee, because there might be a Mike Tyson in your division, there might be a Sugar Ray Leonard, there might be a Floyd Mayweather. It might be a dude you're never catching up to.

• 2:45:42Speaker 01

  Like, like I-

• 2:45:43Joe Rogan?

  Charles Crawford.

• 2:45:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like I say-

• 2:45:47Speaker 01

  Like, I don't know much about fighting, and I've learned a lot from you. I remember we did a show in, I think, Denver. And there was this female fighter, she came backstage. And she was up there, and she just haven't had a kid. And she's still gonna fight, but she's like, there's other things to life. I'm gonna, like, raise my son and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, once she said, there's other things to life, and I was like, you're in my, just in my head, and you're a fighter. And just the way she said it and some other things, I was like, she shouldn't fight no more. And I watched all her fights after that, and she might have won one.

• 2:46:29Speaker 01

  But she, yeah, she didn't, she didn't, and she, I can't remember her name per se, but I just remember her saying that.

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  You're the king of that, not being able to remember, leave us with mysteries.

• 2:46:40Speaker 01

  You're welcome, I'm out.

• 2:46:42Joe Rogan?

  The comments are gonna try to find that dude that you said is the best fighter ever, they're scouring right now.

• 2:46:47Speaker 01

  Somebody came up with that.

• 2:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a thing that you have to, you have to either wanna be a world champion, you have to wanna be the best in the world, or you have to be willing to accept that you're a journeyman. And if you're willing to accept that you're just doing it for a paycheck, it's a crazy way to make a living. But there are a lot of guys out there that they get to a point where they realize, I'm never gonna be champion, but I'm still gonna make a lot of money.

• 2:47:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  And I'm still gonna have some good fights, as long as I don't have to fight any world champions. I can be successful 60% of the time, maybe, 70, if you're lucky. Hard way to live, though.

• 2:47:20Speaker 01

  It's a hard way to live. How much, like, what's the average, like, paycheck for a fight, for a fighter like that you just described?

• 2:47:30Joe Rogan?

  It depends on how much they have crowd popularity, right? Like, if you're a Donald Saroni, Cowboy Saroni, who never won the title, but he was a guy who-

• 2:47:38Speaker 01

  Love Saroni.

• 2:47:39Joe Rogan?

  He, he would make some real good money, real good money. I don't, I don't wanna be, talk out of school, I don't know what his, his checks were.

• 2:47:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47:47Joe Rogan?

  But you could get rich, you could be a multi-millionaire. Like Sean Strickland, he was just talking about it, uh, in one of his Instagram stories, that's why I could say this. Where he said he's got about four million dollars in the bank.

• 2:47:58Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  And I'm like, that's amazing.

• 2:48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he's, he's what, thirties?

• 2:48:01Joe Rogan?

  He's in his thirties.

• 2:48:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:48:02Joe Rogan?

  He's still top of the food chain, one of the best in the world in his division, and he's got money set aside. Like, that's a smart dude.

• 2:48:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:48:09Joe Rogan?

  You gotta kinda be able to do that, because if you don't do that, and then you run out of fighting, and you run out of money, and you run out of options, and you run out of ideas. You don't know what to do, that's a, see, we, we could do what we do. Dom Arara said this to me once, he was like sixty-five years old, and he got offstage, he fucking murdered. And he goes, Joey, he goes, one of the things I love about this fucking game is like, as long as you're in it, you're still getting better. He's like, I'm still getting better.

• 2:48:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:48:34Joe Rogan?

  And it was, it was beautiful to watch, cuz it's true, like Rodney Dangerfield, deep into his seventies, killing, killing. George Carlin, deep into his late age, late, late ages, before he died, killing. You know, you could still do it.

• 2:48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  With fighting, there's a time where you're, all this fails you.

• 2:48:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:48:53Joe Rogan?

  All the shoulders fail, the back fails, the neck fails, the wheels fall off, and then you can't take a shot anymore, and you gotta get out.

• 2:49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've seen it in boxing, cuz that's the, the combat sport that I've watched the most growing up.

• 2:49:06Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:49:07Speaker 01

  Uh, shit, now I'm gonna mention another name that I can't remember.

• 2:49:14Speaker 01

  So there was this black guy who was fighting a Mexican guy, but they're big name guys.

• 2:49:18Joe Rogan?

  Meljick Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez.

• 2:49:21Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 2:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:22Speaker 01

  That fight.

• 2:49:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:23Speaker 01

  Never the same after that.

• 2:49:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, I got a Julio Cesar Chavez shirt on right now.

• 2:49:26Speaker 01

  Oh shit, yeah.

• 2:49:27Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 2:49:28Speaker 01

  He was winning the fight.

• 2:49:29Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 2:49:30Speaker 01

  Winning it.

• 2:49:31Joe Rogan?

  Winning it.

• 2:49:31Speaker 01

  Got.

• 2:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Winning it.

• 2:49:33Speaker 01

  Chased, chased him down.

• 2:49:35Joe Rogan?

  Yep, got stopped in the last seconds of the last round, and, uh, Meljick Taylor was never the same again.

• 2:49:40Speaker 01

  Never.

• 2:49:41Joe Rogan?

  Never the same again.

• 2:49:41Speaker 01

  Ever, ever, bro.

• 2:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Never the same again.

• 2:49:44Speaker 01

  All the skill.

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:49:46Speaker 01

  All the technique.

• 2:49:47Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  And he was a great fighter.

• 2:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Great Olympic gold medalist.

• 2:49:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:49:52Joe Rogan?

  World champion.

• 2:49:53Speaker 01

  He, it.

• 2:49:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:55Speaker 01

  He never, he didn't let, enter, leave that ring the way he went in.

• 2:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:49:59Speaker 01

  And he was good enough to beat Chavez.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Crazy.

• 2:50:03Speaker 01

  Kind of, cuz he lost.

• 2:50:05Joe Rogan?

  He almost beat Chavez.

• 2:50:07Speaker 01

  And that would have been a great moment.

• 2:50:09Joe Rogan?

  Huge.

• 2:50:10Speaker 01

  For him, huge.

• 2:50:12Joe Rogan?

  But the amount of damage he took up until that final blow was already sealed his fate for the rest of his life. Even if he never got hit with that last punch. If he just made it to the final bell and raised his hands up and they gave him the decision, you know, and no. If they did that, he still is never the same again.

• 2:50:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:30Joe Rogan?

  Cuz Chavez was just breaking him down, breaking him down. And then you not around those guys the next day. That's the saddest thing about the UFC would run into dudes who lost the next day at the airport. And you see him at the airport and like one eye is completely shut. They got bandages on their forehead where they got cut open, their arms in a sling. And they're shuffling because their legs are so beat up, they can barely walk. And you see him get on the plane, you're like, whoa, they got sunglasses on and shit. And they're just, and everybody's like, that's like a fight last night, he got knocked out. And you see him walking by.

• 2:51:07Speaker 01

  Sometimes that's the winner too.

• 2:51:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:51:09Speaker 01

  That's how brutal that shit is.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oftentimes, that's the winner. But you would, you would see those guys at the airport, you're like, wow. That's a, that's a wake up call cuz it's not just the night of the fight. It's like, how long is it gonna be before you feel normal again?

• 2:51:25Speaker 01

  Right, yeah. You brought up Bernard Hopkins earlier. And he has, the way he fought was, I ain't getting CTE.

• 2:51:38Speaker 01

  First of all, you may hit me, and if it is, it's, you're gonna hit me while I'm holding you. And you ain't getting no force or no power.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:51:46Speaker 01

  And people are gonna cuss and say, I'm a dirty fighter and let the motherfucker go. This is not a dance.

• 2:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:51:53Speaker 01

  And this ain't the electric slide or the two-step, but I am not getting no brain damage.

• 2:51:58Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:51:58Speaker 01

  Like Muhammad Ali used to move, Bernard would come to you, hug you, pat, pat. Hug you again, pap pap, hug you again. People paid their money, cursed this motherfucker out, but they still come back to see this motherfucker hold.

• 2:52:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he frustrated the shit out of people, but he did fuck some people up too.

• 2:52:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:15Joe Rogan?

  When he fucked up Felix Trinidad, that was a big one. That was a big one, because everybody thought Trinidad was gonna kill him.

• 2:52:21Speaker 01

  I thought Trinidad was gonna kill him too.

• 2:52:22Joe Rogan?

  He was a bad motherfucker, deep into his late 40s.

• 2:52:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:52:27Joe Rogan?

  Late 40s world class, that's crazy.

• 2:52:30Speaker 01

  If you don't let him fight, you could fight for a long ass time.

• 2:52:35Speaker 01

  You could just keep fighting, just don't let him fight. He knew all the arm locks.

• 2:52:40Joe Rogan?

  But even him, like the last fight he had against Joe Smith Jr., he got knocked out of the ring and fell on his head. And he was 50 years old.

• 2:52:49Speaker 01

  That's, that's old, bro.

• 2:52:51Joe Rogan?

  I know, and the guy who was fought, the guy who fought Joe Smith Jr. is a murderous puncher, just murderous puncher. And he was just hitting Bernard with these haymakers. And Bernard went through the ropes, and the ropes were loose, and he fell out of the ropes and landed on his fucking head. That's how the fight ended.

• 2:53:07Speaker 01

  He's too old to be doing it. First of all, he's too old to like, like you said, your body goes, so he probably doesn't have the strength.

• 2:53:13Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:53:14Speaker 01

  His body's not, so.

• 2:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Also, falling out of the, the ring and no one catches you and you land on your head, that's crazy.

• 2:53:22Speaker 01

  It's almost makes up for all the punches he missed.

• 2:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:53:25Speaker 01

  His entire career, all in that one moment.

• 2:53:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's a car wreck.

• 2:53:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:53:30Joe Rogan?

  That could fuck you up for the rest of your life. Yeah, we're lucky, we're lucky we picked a thing that doesn't give you brain damage and you can keep doing forever and ever.

• 2:53:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, or we were just made this way, or it picked us, I don't know what. It's just too serendipitous. But I'm glad.

• 2:53:47Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad too.

• 2:53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:53:48Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad we've been friends all this time too. It's been fun, we've had a fun ride.

• 2:53:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, we had a fun ride, let's keep this shit going, fuck it.

• 2:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Tonight, you doing my show tonight?

• 2:53:56Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm leaving, I'm going back to LA. You, you ain't gonna like that answer, so why even ask?

• 2:54:02Joe Rogan?

  What do you, do you have to go back? Could we change your flight?

• 2:54:04Speaker 01

  I got a writing job.

• 2:54:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you gotta be there tomorrow?

• 2:54:07Speaker 01

  So I gotta be there tomorrow.

• 2:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, alright.

• 2:54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:10Joe Rogan?

  So his writing job, that velvet prison, son.

• 2:54:13Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm trying to break out, that's why I got this special and I'm gonna keep putting out specials, bro.

• 2:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:54:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 2:54:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:21Joe Rogan?

  Alright, brother. Well, tell everybody, what's the name of it? Where is, it's on YouTube?

• 2:54:24Speaker 01

  It's on YouTube at Ian Edwards Stand Up.

• 2:54:28Joe Rogan?

  Untitled.

• 2:54:29Speaker 01

  It's called Untitled, and all the money from the views and the ad sense goes to victims of the LA fire.

• 2:54:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, beautiful.

• 2:54:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't want no money.

• 2:54:37Joe Rogan?

  For real, though?

• 2:54:38Speaker 01

  For real.

• 2:54:39Joe Rogan?

  For real, for real. Like, unlike the, all those other gigantic...

• 2:54:42Speaker 01

  You know me, I've never scammed anybody.

• 2:54:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:54:45Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? I'm just like, I was there in LA when it happened, and it was devastating.

• 2:54:50Joe Rogan?

  Did you, this is in the La Jolla?

• 2:54:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, at the Comedy Store.

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  The La Jolla's a guy that's such a great room. That's such a great room.

• 2:54:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:57Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful. Alright, Ian Edwards, you're the best. I love you.

• 2:55:01Speaker 01

  Love you, I love you, friend.

• 2:55:02Joe Rogan?

  Alright, bye, everybody.

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