Tyler Oliveira: Exposing Somali Welfare Abuse, Republican Hypocrisy & the Group You Can’t Criticize

When Tyler Oliveira exposed Somali welfare abuse in Minneapolis, Republicans praised him. When he did the same thing in an orthodox Jewish community in New York, the very same people called him a Nazi. (00:00) Oliveira's Rise to Fame (07:17) America's Demographics Are Changing Quickly (28:02) Exposing the Hypocrisy and Hatred of Free Speech (39:38) The Infiltration of the Public School System (57:56) Why Was Oliveira's Patreon Deleted? Tyler Oliveira is a documentary filmmaker and investigative journalist who dives into controversial communities and asks the uncomfortable questions mainstream media won’t. He recently sparked debate after publishing a documentary titled “I Exposed New Jersey’s Jewish Invasion”, causing a wave of de-platforming, sponsor pullouts, and widespread condemnation from advocacy groups and political figures on both sides of the aisle. Paid partnerships with: Joi + Blokes: Use code TUCKER for 50% off your labs and 20% off all supplements at https://joiandblokes.com/tucker Paleovalley: Use code TUCKER & get 20% off your first order at https://paleovalley.com Good Ranchers: Start your plan today and you'll get FREE meat included with every order PLUS $100 off your first three orders. Use code TUCKER at https://go.goodranchers.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you for doing this.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me.

• 0:35Tucker Carlson?

  I was looking through your YouTube numbers, which I don't normally ever do that with anybody, but you're huge. I didn't realize how big you were.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  You're flattering me, yeah.

• 0:45Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's real. Well, you're a lot bigger than me, I'll tell you that. So, a lot bigger. So, I'm amazed and impressed. So, before we get into how you, I think, kind of accidentally stepped into this controversy.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:59Tucker Carlson?

  Where are you from? How'd you start doing this?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  I'm from Modesto, California. I started doing this about-

• 1:06Tucker Carlson?

  You say that with such a verve and relish.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, meth, auto theft, and what? Meth theft and auto theft? Farming. Farming, almonds. A small agricultural town in the Central Valley of California.

• 1:19Tucker Carlson?

  For people who are not familiar with California ag, what's an almond?

• 1:24Speaker 02

  I think it's an almond that has yet to fall from the tree. I actually couldn't be bothered. I'm not fully certain.

• 1:30Tucker Carlson?

  It's an L-less almond. So, you're from Modesto?

• 1:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, shake the hell out of it. Whatever the hell it is, right? I'm from Modesto, California. I went to college for three months, dropped out. I was doing YouTube full-time, sort of accidentally walked into the field of investigative or gossip journalism.

• 1:47Tucker Carlson?

  How many kids in your class at UCLA were doing YouTube, quote, "full-time"? Was that like a...

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Not that I'm aware of.

• 1:53Tucker Carlson?

  That was not a major?

• 1:54Speaker 02

  No, no, that was not a trendy thing to do.

• 1:56Tucker Carlson?

  How'd you decide to do that?

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Um, I don't know. I just didn't want to go to college. I wanted to get out of there at any cost.

• 2:03Tucker Carlson?

  God bless you.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  So, I was charging those Lime scooters and then filming videos, and then I just dropped out and left forever.

• 2:10Tucker Carlson?

  How long did it take you to support yourself or feel like you had a real job doing this?

• 2:15Speaker 02

  I think about a month into it.

• 2:17Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  I had enough money to subsist, yeah.

• 2:20Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, immediately?

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty immediately.

• 2:22Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23Tucker Carlson?

  Doing what kind of videos?

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Uh, goofy stuff, Tucker.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  All sorts of stuff. I sold Big Chungus to GameStop and here I am in front of Tucker Carlson.

• 2:34Tucker Carlson?

  You do anything you regret?

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Uh, no.

• 2:37Tucker Carlson?

  Good.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:38Tucker Carlson?

  So you don't say, I was young, I needed the money. There's nothing.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  No, no, I wasn't, I wasn't shaking on a stripper pole.

• 2:43Tucker Carlson?

  That was kind of what I was asking.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45Tucker Carlson?

  Um, so then, how did you wind up in this variety of YouTube, like basically doing journalism? Well, doing journalism?

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're doing a lot of goofy stuff. Um, one day we saw what happened in East Palestine, Ohio. I think about three and a half years ago, maybe.

• 3:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  There was a train derailment. A bunch of toxic chemicals had leached into the water supply, from what I remember. And there's kind of a media blackout at the time. And I saw what happened on TikTok. And I was like, what if we just brought our camera there and asked people questions?

• 3:15Tucker Carlson?

  Where were you?

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Um, in Austin, Texas at the time. So we drove, I think into Ohio. And it just started filming people and asking questions and try to figure out what was going on. And then it sort of evolved into whatever we do now, which comprises of basically amateur documentaries, investigative journalism.

• 3:33Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, so you just, you, you don't work for anyone but you?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm fully independent, self-funded, always have been.

• 3:39Tucker Carlson?

  No investors of any kind?

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Zero investment.

• 3:41Tucker Carlson?

  You and a couple other people?

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Me and four or five people behind the scenes, um, putting these videos out.

• 3:45Tucker Carlson?

  And you're watching TikTok at your place in Austin and you see there's a train derailment in Ohio? So you get in the truck and just drive to Ohio?

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 3:53Tucker Carlson?

  That's the whole thing?

• 3:54Speaker 02

  I thought it'd be an interesting video, A. I thought it'd be informative. And we're trying to sort of mature what we were doing on YouTube, make it a little more serious. Cause I was becoming, what, 22 years old? I was like, I don't want to do goofy nonsense for my entire life. What if we did something actually useful? So we showed up and people really resonated with it. It was informative and valuable. And, um, yeah, I mean, there wasn't a ton of news crew there at the time. It was, uh, somewhat irrelevant, uh, in the news ecosystem, but it was fascinating to me. So we showed up.

• 4:24Tucker Carlson?

  I remember your video. So that, that was it? No one assigned it to you?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:28Tucker Carlson?

  While you were scrolling through TikTok and you saw it?

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 4:30Tucker Carlson?

  Just drive there?

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. I'm, I think because I'm so much older and have been in the formal media my whole life, it's just amazing that that's how it starts.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, weird, right?

• 4:41Tucker Carlson?

  Well, great.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:43Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, this is kind of the, I mean, this is what they told us the internet was gonna be.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:48Tucker Carlson?

  Before it became like all porn and bots and sports gambling, like, sure, we're gonna have citizen journalists and people would find out the truth because you couldn't mediate it because it was, you know.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, Elon Musk sort of put a name to that, to that idea of citizen journalists, for me at least, I'd never even heard the term, I didn't even know what we were doing was journalism, so to speak, but um, I feel like that's what it was and what it became.

• 5:09Tucker Carlson?

  So when you got to East Palestine, what'd you do, like, what do you do?

• 5:12Speaker 02

  We just asked people what was going on, tried to gain access into some of these areas that were closed off, asking these federal agents what was going on, and just tried to sort of paint a picture for what the media sort of failed to present to the broader American audience.

• 5:26Tucker Carlson?

  Love that.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was interesting.

• 5:28Tucker Carlson?

  That's like the coolest thing you could do.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:31Tucker Carlson?

  So you just see people stay on the side of the road and say, hey, can I talk to you?

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's going on here?

• 5:35Tucker Carlson?

  But, but you never got a degree in journalism from Columbia?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  No, I don't have a degree.

• 5:39Tucker Carlson?

  So how did you know how to do that?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  Um, because we were doing it for sillier stuff prior to this.

• 5:44Tucker Carlson?

  I'm just making fun of the absurd idea.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  So I'll tell you how we got it, I was driving these vehicles, um, that looked like Minecraft vehicles, um, across America, and we would go to gas stations and always have these funny interviews with random people at gas stations, and we had this interview with a guy who was telling us about banging his cousin in Alabama, and I was like, what if we took the beauty of what that, that moment was and just brought it to relevant, important topics in day-to-day life? So we did that, we took this, this gas station interview concept and sort of brought it over to actually important topics in our everyday life, so here we are, yeah.

• 6:24Tucker Carlson?

  You make the video on East Palestine, and if I saw it, it must have been big.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it took off, and I was like, what if we just keep doing more of this?

• 6:30Tucker Carlson?

  Did it get a lot of views?

• 6:31Speaker 02

  It did, yeah. Four very, uh, like, three or four million views.

• 6:35Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:37Tucker Carlson?

  At 22?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah.

• 6:38Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  But for what it for us, it was a validation that this is something people can use and it's informative and it fills in sort of where the mainstream media is is not interested in.

• 6:50Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's it's objectively validation of that. I mean, that's exactly what it is.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 6:54Tucker Carlson?

  And it also says something good about the country that people want to know what's happening inside their borders.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:00Tucker Carlson?

  So then you just pivoted right then and decided to do more news?

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did a variety of news topics to interesting cultural

• 7:10Speaker 02

  communities, like hard to access communities, like

• 7:14Speaker 02

  like the pedophile village in Florida.

• 7:16Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 7:17Speaker 02

  We went over there and started interviewing a bunch of pedophiles, asked them how they ended up there, to white supremacists in Arkansas, to black supremacists in what Harlem, New York. So just a broad range of interesting people, places and things. From political to cultural to just wacky stuff.

• 7:36Tucker Carlson?

  What drove you?

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Drove me?

• 7:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, what was your motive?

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Oh, just curiosity.

• 7:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  I thought I was good at it, and so let's go for it.

• 7:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, the right motive right there.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:46Tucker Carlson?

  So then you started doing when I first became aware of you.

• 7:53Tucker Carlson?

  You moved from like the full outliers.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:56Tucker Carlson?

  Like the pedophile community, I've never even heard of that before. And white supremacists.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Miracle Village, they called it.

• 8:03Tucker Carlson?

  Miracle Village, it's so dark. White supremacists in Arkansas, black supremacists in Harlem. I've interviewed both those communities 30 years ago. So that that everyone knows that exists, but they're they're really so far out on the fringes of American life. But then you start moving closer to the actual news, like what the rest of the news is talking about.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:26Tucker Carlson?

  And you start interviewing Somalis.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I think December of 2025, we put out a video on Somalis in Minneapolis.

• 8:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Now, keep in mind to the local news's credit, they've reported on various forms of fraud for for years over there.

• 8:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  But there's something about their inability to storytell and package those those narratives that it just never took off.

• 8:48Tucker Carlson?

  There's a talent gap there, yes.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. And just a media misunderstanding, I think. But long story short.

• 8:53Tucker Carlson?

  What does that mean?

• 8:53Speaker 02

  They just don't know how to use social media. They're illiterate. Maybe by design or incompetence, I'm not sure, but.

• 9:00Tucker Carlson?

  What do they get wrong?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  I think they report accurately. In fact, many social media guys often cite their reports. I think they just can't synthesize the information to the actual storytelling, to the packaging, and how these platforms like YouTube work. You're figuring it out, though, I see.

• 9:16Tucker Carlson?

  I have definitely not figured it out at all, but um, but I think, you know, the ability to tell a story works at dinner. It works on cable television and it works on YouTube. It's like all kind of the same thing. Can you synthesize?

• 9:30Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 9:31Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly right. You just take the facts.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:33Tucker Carlson?

  And you put it into an order that you think is accurate, which is truthful. You're not misrepresenting it, but that makes sense. It's got a narrative structure.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  In order of importance, too.

• 9:41Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. Thank you.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  But yeah, we've covered tons of topics from all over the country and all over the world. But about, whatever, in December of 2025, we did a video on Somalis in Minneapolis. A lot of it was focused on more of a demographic shift, more so than fraud. Nick Shirley then puts out a video, I think, a couple of weeks later, and it really bursts into the mainstream. He covers this daycare fraud, and this is like the biggest talking point in the GOP. I'm sure you saw it, right?

• 10:08Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah. I lived here.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  They loved it. It's the, it was a perfect story, really. He found these, you know, these leering centers, all this stuff, this blatant retardation, if you will, of

• 10:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  people from Somalia who can't even spell the word "learning," whatever. It becomes part of the mainstream conversation about these third-worlders absorbing welfare benefits, committing fraud en masse, and everyone hates these people, right?

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• 13:41Tucker Carlson?

  Back. Can I just ask you to back up? You said something so interesting parenthetically. You said, "I approached it as a demographic replacement question. They approached it as a fraud question."

• 13:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, tease that out a little bit. Why? You saw it slightly differently or you saw it in bigger terms than they did, I think.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, my focus was just, you take Minnesota, which is land of the Vikings, right? The Scandinavian people and now it's becoming...

• 14:06Tucker Carlson?

  You're speaking to a Carlson here.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  Exactly, right? Now it's home to Somalis. And I saw the Minnesota Vikings, they put out what a thank you to our Somali community or something on Twitter the other day. So for me, it was just an interesting case study of a state in the United States of America that has such generous welfare programs and has such a generous people that inevitably it attracts some of the most opportunistic, parasitic, if you will, population of people from a destabilized country in Africa that come here simply because of the benefits they'll receive upon entering. And it became a hub for these people opportunistically taking advantage of such generous people.

• 14:48Tucker Carlson?

  This is why you've become so big.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:51Tucker Carlson?

  Because, yes, thank you for saying that because it is bigger than...

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Minnesota thing too, right? It's unique to Minnesota.

• 14:58Tucker Carlson?

  Well, Maine, which has similar demographics, overwhelmingly Northern European whites who have no idea what an idyllic place they have, who hate themselves because they've been taught to hate themselves. And so to atone for sins they didn't commit, import the most destructive, parasitic populations they can find.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 15:17Tucker Carlson?

  And then sort of revel in the squalor because it's a kind of self-abasement that turns them on. It's sadomasochism.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. The sort of white guilt, right?

• 15:26Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. And there's nothing more dangerous to everybody than white guilt.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:31Tucker Carlson?

  It's just interesting that you saw it that way.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's how I saw it. Um, because we've also done videos in Dearborn, Michigan. Before that was, I feel like you see that every day now, Dearborn this, Dearborn that, about the sort of Muslim invasion. Um, we did a video in Hamtramck, Michigan, which was a predominantly Polish working-class town. And, um, it eventually elected a Muslim majority in the township council, and they voted to ban the gay flag, which for me was comedic, because they basically invited these people in, they become a majority, they consolidate political power, and then vote to deny them the same rights they were afforded. So to me, it was just the most comedic story.

• 16:11Tucker Carlson?

  Well, or even more meta, it's like, white liberalism drew these people in, and their first act is to ban white liberalism.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Exactly. Yeah. Once they achieve sufficient majority.

• 16:24Tucker Carlson?

  One religion supplies another.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  Sure. Basically, we were, we were looking for ethnic enclaves doing the same thing as Dearborn, Michigan, or Hamtramck, or Minneapolis. So I looked up Jewish ethnic enclaves on Google, only to find Curious Joel.

• 16:39Tucker Carlson?

  Let me ask you to pause right there. That's, thank you for explaining that. That's fascinating.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:43Tucker Carlson?

  So you're, you're basically interested in exploring the principle that you described a minute ago.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  About the principle.

• 16:49Tucker Carlson?

  Wasn't a conversation about one, you weren't out to attack Jews, or Muslims, or Somalis, or anyone else. You just want to say, this is what happens when a country's decency is leveraged against it.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 16:59Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 17:00Speaker 02

  Um, when generosity is exploited en masse and systematically, right? Systematic exploitation of generosity by design.

• 17:07Tucker Carlson?

  So you still believe in principles? You must be a legacy American.

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Uh, in more respects.

• 17:12Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you must be from here, if you actually believe in a higher principle.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm born and raised here. Uh, my mom's side goes way back, and, uh, yeah.

• 17:20Tucker Carlson?

  So may I ask, what kind of response did you get to the videos that you did on these ethnic enclaves in, in Michigan?

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Great question.

• 17:28Tucker Carlson?

  And Minnesota?

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, praise, praise and adoration.

• 17:30Tucker Carlson?

  Praise, of course.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Right? This is a great, great talking point. Thank you so much for bringing this up.

• 17:35Tucker Carlson?

  Who liked them? Who praised you?

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Republicans.

• 17:37Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, they did?

• 17:38Speaker 02

  Of course, of course.

• 17:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, they loved it.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Democrats hated them, liberal people hated them, Republicans, hurrah, keep going, expose them all, you know, find even more, um, expose all of these groups, right? So I was like, okay, sure, I will.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Let's do it. Let's keep going.

• 17:56Tucker Carlson?

  See, okay.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Let's keep the fun going, Tucker.

• 17:59Tucker Carlson?

  Because you believe in universally applicable principles.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 18:02Tucker Carlson?

  Not just tribal politics.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 18:04Tucker Carlson?

  The thing above tribal politics, which is principle, which is what the country is founded on.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 18:09Tucker Carlson?

  Right. Okay, now.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  So I was like, okay, we've covered plenty of this Islamic ethnic enclaves across America. It would be interesting to find a different group of people that do this. That's extremely religious and utilizes welfare in similar ways. So I found this village called Curious Joel. Now, Curious Joel is an all Jewish ethnic enclave in upstate New York. At one point, they were the poorest town in America with 40% living beneath poverty line. They had the highest fertility rates in America, having seven to 10 plus kids. Extremely high, anomalously high rates of welfare dependency from Medicaid to SNAP, EBT, to Section 8 housing vouchers.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  So this is definitionally a parasitic, insulated Jewish community I found in upstate New York. So to me, that was obvious. I had an obligation almost to go there and film a video. If I was filming videos in Dearborn or Hamtramck or Minneapolis.

• 19:08Tucker Carlson?

  Did you know that that was not allowed?

• 19:12Speaker 02

  I suspected we would unveil some hypocrisy, especially within the GOP and the larger Republican tent.

• 19:20Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 19:20Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 19:21Tucker Carlson?

  But you suspected it.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  I suspected it.

• 19:23Tucker Carlson?

  But it was.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  To this degree was a little bit surprising.

• 19:25Tucker Carlson?

  But at that point, it was not fully confirmed.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  No, not at all. And no one had tested it yet. And I wanted to test the line a little bit. Because you see so many of these guys on Twitter cosplaying as these hardliner, principal-first guys, America first, weed out all the fraud, weed out all the welfare exploitation. And then when it comes to specific groups, those principles disappear. So for me, I was like, I know this is going to happen to some extent. To what extent, I didn't know. Let's go there and show this.

• 19:55Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think, I'm sorry, I keep pulling you off track, but I just, this is a more amazing story than I realized.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:02Tucker Carlson?

  And I just want to say once again, I had no idea how big you were on YouTube. So, no, well, the numbers show it. It's not my opinion. They're many times my numbers.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  So thanks for having me.

• 20:11Tucker Carlson?

  I'm very, I'm so impressed. So I just love that you're being rewarded for this.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Oh, thanks.

• 20:14Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think the fact that you... Didn't go to college allows your mind to stay a little freer, more supple, less constrained by lies than if you had gone?

• 20:26Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, maybe I'm a little less conditioned than the average person in my generational cohort.

• 20:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  Um, no, I think, I mean, to be fair to my, my generation, Gen Z.

• 20:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  A lot of people agree with me. Gen Z is on, is on the same boat here.

• 20:42Tucker Carlson?

  Um, yeah, I believe that.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  I think they're far more principally consistent than a lot of our political representatives, and they're all for it. I think, um, well, you know, who's not?

• 20:52Tucker Carlson?

  Who?

• 20:53Speaker 02

  A lot of these evangelical boomers seemingly.

• 20:55Tucker Carlson?

  I've noticed.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Israel's a hard line and anything remotely indicative of Israel or related to Israel in any capacity, including Hasidic Jews apparently is off limits.

• 21:07Tucker Carlson?

  Jesus doesn't seem to be the hard line for them at all, which is a little surprising.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  No, they'll tolerate disrespect.

• 21:12Tucker Carlson?

  And I'm talking about the leaders. I'm not talking about the people at all, but it's some of the leaders, you know, you could say whatever you want about.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  We've done videos on corrupt, uh, Christian mega churches. We've done videos on, you know, Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. Um, what's interesting to note is that most Christians watching the videos we did about, um, corrupt Christian mega churches were highly apologetic for what they viewed to be as an aberration from true Christianity. They were denouncing what they view as a bastardization of Christianity.

• 21:41Tucker Carlson?

  That's how I feel.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 21:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  But for what we found after putting this Jewish video out is that there's almost like an immune system response of Hasidic, you know, uh, Orthodox, secular, Jews have each other's back was what I took away from the backlash that followed that video.

• 21:58Tucker Carlson?

  It's interesting. So tell us, first of all, what did you find?

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:02Tucker Carlson?

  So Kira Stroh is in New York and says, said, New York City, 40% below the poverty line, at least at one point, highest birth rate in the country.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what I found.

• 22:11Tucker Carlson?

  What's it like? What is it?

• 22:13Speaker 02

  Um, it is reminiscent of a European stedt, a Jewish village you might've seen pre-World War II. That's how they described themselves. What I saw was a ton of Hasidic Jews walking to synagogues, praying, and then walking in a hurry, I guess, to another synagogue to pray some more and study the town with some more. Um, that's basically all I saw.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  People praying and people living off of the teat of the welfare system in many ways.

• 22:43Tucker Carlson?

  Just to be clear, I've got no problem with people praying or following their religion. I support it. It's the living off the taxpayer part that is too much.

• 22:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and to give them credit, obviously, there is some level of communal support.

• 22:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Sometimes they'll rely on in-laws for some initial financial support, whatever. But largely by design, their entire lifestyle is designed to extract and exploit these welfare systems to the maximum degree. It is strategic. It is not happenstance. It is not coincidental. It is by design.

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• 24:01Tucker Carlson?

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• 24:53Speaker 05

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• 25:06Tucker Carlson?

  Go to base44.com. To purchase. This is the single biggest debate in Israel and has been for over 20 years is that there's a huge percentage of the population that lives off the Israeli welfare system, does not serve in the military and does not add to the economy. And if you talk to any non-religious Jew in Israel, it's like the third sentence out of their mouth is, I am angry at these people for this. So it's not just here.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  For sure. And a lot of Israelis actually, they would contact me and say, this is an amazing video. We have the same issue. See, maybe that's the one thing.

• 25:38Tucker Carlson?

  Is that true?

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's maybe the one thing.

• 25:40Tucker Carlson?

  I totally believe that.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was funny. Israelis were super supportive of it.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  They're like, this is great. They're draining the tax system over here. And apparently there's a demographic ticking time bomb taking place over there, to your point, right? Because they have similar levels of fertility rates and don't contribute economically the same way.

• 26:00Tucker Carlson?

  No. And don't serve in the military, which in Israel is a big deal, since everybody, everybody, male and female, serves. So, and they've had an endless series of wars for 30 years. So you can imagine the bitterness.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:13Tucker Carlson?

  Your kids are going off to risk their lives, but your neighbors aren't.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 26:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  So, speaking of resentment, though, it's the same logic and in the same vein that the average American taxpayer grinding their nuts off right now feels when they're going working a seven to six, right? If you count for the commute to work and back from work, they see where their tax dollars are being spent and they don't feel as if the money they're putting in, they ever get to see coming back out to them.

• 26:39Tucker Carlson?

  No, of course not.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  And how many ethnic enclaves are they funding to live this totally insulated life cell that doesn't benefit them? And that was really what the conversation sparked and became.

• 26:48Tucker Carlson?

  What was it like as you walked through the community? How were you received?

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Um, unwelcoming, I would say.

• 26:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Especially with the camera, of course. I think if I was there without the camera, not questioning anything, I would have been tolerated, for sure.

• 27:01Tucker Carlson?

  For those who haven't seen it, what kind of questions did you ask?

• 27:04Speaker 02

  What do you do for work? How do you afford to have seven to 10 kids?

• 27:09Tucker Carlson?

  You asked that?

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Hey, what do you do for work? I study. I study Torah. Okay. How do you afford seven to 10 kids? Uh, God. And I would be like, what about the American taxpayer? And they would say, that too? So of course that's

• 27:27Tucker Carlson?

  Was there any gratitude that you discerned to the American taxpayer?

• 27:30Speaker 02

  For me asking these questions?

• 27:31Tucker Carlson?

  No, they say, you know, God bless America.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Gratitude for God, I think it was.

• 27:34Tucker Carlson?

  But not for America for being.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  I mean, maybe there is some, sure.

• 27:38Tucker Carlson?

  You didn't hear it, though.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Uh, I didn't feel it, no.

• 27:41Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 27:43Tucker Carlson?

  Wow. What about local politicians? They must know this, right? I mean, if you're.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure. They're beholden to these people, though. They're beholden to the Jewish voting block that exists in these concentrated Jewish communities in New Jersey and New York. So we haven't established the importance of the Jewish voting block in states like New Jersey and New York. Obviously, local politicians are aware of this. Even Donald Trump's aware of this. He put out a tweet saying, you know, thank you so much to Lakewood, New Jersey, the Orthodox community in Lakewood, New Jersey. There's some tweet he put out thanking them in 2024. And they're one of the most powerful voting blocks because of their consistency. They always show up and they always vote on behalf of whatever the rabbinical leadership tells them to.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  So if they say, vote for this guy, they consistently show up on behalf of that candidate. There's no partisan loyalty. They'll shift from Democrats to Republicans as long as the benefits outweigh one party over the other. So they're the perfect voting block. No one wants to stop their gravy train for fear of losing their votes.

• 28:51Tucker Carlson?

  So democracy has been literally subverted.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Or hijacked, yeah.

• 28:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, hijacked.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  Seemingly.

• 28:57Tucker Carlson?

  In exactly the same way it has been in Lewiston, Maine, and Minneapolis, Minnesota, by the Somalis.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, seemingly an organized group, a small organized minority can disproportionately impact everything.

• 29:11Tucker Carlson?

  Could you have these communities without public, without welfare?

• 29:16Speaker 02

  No. Actually, you could. The Jewish community would not, because they're so dedicated to studying full-time, spending so much time praying, etc., etc., although there are precedents for that being possible, which I always bring up, the Amish community. They're self-sufficient, they're fully reliant on their own sweat and toil. It can be done.

• 29:36Tucker Carlson?

  So the Christian community pays for itself?

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 29:40Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, but the others don't?

• 29:42Speaker 02

  Uh, seemingly not.

• 29:43Tucker Carlson?

  So the Amish, this is a dumb question. I just assumed I knew the answer, but it sounds like you really do. The Amish are not on welfare. They're not living-

• 29:49Speaker 02

  No, no, they are philosophically opposed to taking welfare. They do not want to take any welfare. They find it as shameful, as most people probably should, right? Because it's a safety net to reduce poverty and, um, not, not a way of life, not, not a strategy for maintaining a lifestyle of having seven to 10 kids when you can't afford to otherwise, I think.

• 30:13Tucker Carlson?

  Of course not, especially in a country that has no state religion, that isn't allowed to support theocracy. I mean, speaking for myself, and I think I'm reflecting in the Constitution.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:25Tucker Carlson?

  I absolutely think that Orthodox should have a right to any kind of religious practice they want, as long as it's not hurting anyone. And same with the Somali, same as the Muslims in Michigan, same as the Amish in Pennsylvania. But I, but the idea that taxpayers would support someone else's religion, it's not allowed, right?

• 30:44Speaker 02

  And it's even funnier for me, because for some of these groups, there is outward hostility, right? You take some of these, I would argue, these Orthodox Jewish groups, there is in fact hostility. When we were there, asking people questions, asking them what they do for a living, how they get their money, how they afford their little society, there is hostility. So for me, as a taxpayer, it's like, we're gonna take your money, if you question it, you're anti-Semitic, and we hate you.

• 31:09Tucker Carlson?

  What was anti-Semitic about it?

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Um, the ADL said it hearkened back to anti-Semitic stereotypes of them being a drain on society or something like that, when it's all statistically corroborated. I'm not pulling these out of my ass. These are welfare stats I was quoting. And then I would go to the direct source, asking these people, what do you do for a living? How many kids do you have? How do you afford your kids? Are you on welfare?

• 31:36Speaker 02

  How is that antisemitic? And why do they get their own brand of, uh, their own proper knowledge of racism? That never made sense to me.

• 31:45Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  It's odd, right?

• 31:46Tucker Carlson?

  It is odd.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  It's weird, yeah.

• 31:48Tucker Carlson?

  It is odd. Um, I haven't thought too much about that, but I think that's, you make a fair point. Um, how is it, how is bigotry against one group different from bigotry against any group? And of course, if you believe in absolute standards, it's not, it's all the same. It's all varieties, the same thing. Um, but if you believe that only one group should be immune from criticism, then you're not against racism. Of course, you're an advocate of racism.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 32:13Tucker Carlson?

  Right? You're arguing a kind of supremacy.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jewish supremacy.

• 32:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, or, or any kind, I mean, any kind, you know, if you can attack.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  In this case.

• 32:20Tucker Carlson?

  Anyone but white Episcopalian men. Everyone else is fair game except me.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  What other group can you not discuss though, right?

• 32:26Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  You can disrespect Christianity with, without any flak. Um, you can disrespect Islam legally, they might kill you for it. And seemingly with Jews, um, or at least some of these groups of Jews. Um, the legal fair may begin, um, you might get deplatformed or pulled off some sites.

• 32:45Tucker Carlson?

  So, so what hap- okay, so what happened? So you do this video in New York at Curious Jewell. What kind of reception does it get?

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Uh, the Americans are happy. Thank you for calling this out. The locals who live in nearby communities, thank God, someone has finally come here and spoken out about this.

• 33:02Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, the locals have strong feelings about it.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Oh, they're, they're perpetually grateful to me because no one has ever touched this because seemingly it's radioactive. Um, if you have any political ambitions, they die overnight if you talk about this. Um, this is a strong voting block and on top of that, they're leveraging the generational guilt of the Holocaust. Um, you're antisemitic if you oppose any of what they're doing. So I was a hero to the local communities that live nearby.

• 33:29Tucker Carlson?

  Just to be clear, the Holocaust was not committed by Americans. We were actually.

• 33:35Tucker Carlson?

  The people who ended it, I think.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  You can't make this up, Tucker.

• 33:38Tucker Carlson?

  Right. No, but I just, because history does get so distorted in real time. America did not commit the Holocaust.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's that have to do with me?

• 33:45Tucker Carlson?

  We lost many, many, many tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of Americans fighting against it. So actually, America is the hero in that story. So I don't know why any American would feel guilt about something that we gave the lives of our ancestors to stop. So that's just my.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  I think that's a great point.

• 34:03Tucker Carlson?

  It is a weird, it's a weird thing.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  It's a defense, it's a, it's a mechanism that's almost reflexive for a lot of these people to throw out the antisemitism. And then the conversation's buried, right? So it's a shield to dissuade further argumentation as to why I disagree with, let's say, a Jewish group, their actions.

• 34:22Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  And it's abused, obviously, and its weight seems to no longer.

• 34:27Tucker Carlson?

  I'd heard that it was abused, yeah.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  I mean, I think so. Right?

• 34:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:32Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, yeah, someone had told me.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Well, for me, to clarify, I'm an equal opportunity offender, so to speak, in that.

• 34:37Tucker Carlson?

  I think you've demonstrated that.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll talk to any of these groups of people and have plenty of critical questions for all of them. Not just Jewish people. I didn't wake up one day and say, let's go piss off some Jews, right? It's just, this is a perfect example of an ethnic enclave that exploits the welfare system. And let's go check it out, just like I would a Muslim group or a Christian group.

• 34:57Tucker Carlson?

  Just as you did.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly, yeah.

• 34:59Tucker Carlson?

  So, um, okay, so you get big numbers, the audience likes it.

• 35:05Tucker Carlson?

  The neighbors are grateful for it.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:06Tucker Carlson?

  A bunch of Israelis say, hey, we love this because we've lived it, yeah?

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:11Tucker Carlson?

  Where does the criticism come from?

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Um, Republican demagoguery.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  I think some politicians, Republican politicians, the Republican Party at large is as opposed to it.

• 35:25Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 35:26Speaker 02

  The left can get behind it, a lot of the right can get behind it, but also a lot of the right is disgusted by it. How dare he, he engage in antisemitism? The ADL says it hearkens back to age-old antisemitic tropes.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I don't even know what to say.

• 35:45Tucker Carlson?

  That's unbelievable, so how did.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  For me, it's just laughable, you know?

• 35:48Tucker Carlson?

  Did any of the people who praised your Somali exposes?

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:54Tucker Carlson?

  Did they attack this?

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:56Tucker Carlson?

  Same people?

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, I would give names, but their names are probably too irrelevant to invoke here at this table.

• 36:03Tucker Carlson?

  But you know-

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Certainly hypocrisy.

• 36:05Tucker Carlson?

  You know of people who praised one video exposing-

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Of course, yeah.

• 36:09Tucker Carlson?

  -parasitic behavior by an ethnic enclave, but attacked the same thing when it was another enclave.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  For sure, for sure.

• 36:17Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, well that's-

• 36:18Speaker 02

  And you would think even secular Jewish communities would be like, "Hey, you know, thanks for pointing this out. We appreciate that," which some of them did, of course, but largely there is a tribal mentality of, "Why are you attacking these poor innocent Jews who just want to mind their own business? That's great, go mind your own business. Not on my dime, Tucker. I pay taxes."

• 36:36Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I agree.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Quit taking money out of my wallet. If you want to go live in the woods, do it. Work hard enough to buy your own property and go do it. I shouldn't have to subsidize your lifestyle. It's that simple.

• 36:46Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Beyond that, though, there's no beef, there's no frustration, there's no hatred. It's just a matter of fact-

• 36:52Tucker Carlson?

  I think any honest person sees exactly the point you're making, and it's pretty hard to disagree with it.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, any serious person.

• 36:58Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah, I mean, if you think this is okay, is it okay to have, I don't know, some Christian Nazi group? Or whatever?

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, and to that point, right, so there's that all-white community that's trying to start up in the Arkansas, the Ozarks in Arkansas. They're gonna get sued into oblivion-

• 37:14Tucker Carlson?

  Just for existing.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Just for violating the Fair Housing Act, right, for discriminating against non-whites. For those who don't know, it's a group in the Ozarks that's trying to build an all-white town.

• 37:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  That's illegal.

• 37:26Tucker Carlson?

  With tax money?

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Uh, no, self-funded.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  So, the beauty of Curious Joel to me was, we're essentially going to de facto violate the Fair Housing Act, de facto segregate ourselves from secular society with secular taxpayer dollars. And if you don't like it, you're anti-Semitic, fuck you. That was my takeaway.

• 37:50Tucker Carlson?

  That's what's happening.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  And white people can't do it. And yeah, I mean.

• 37:55Tucker Carlson?

  I think blacks tried to do it in downtown Philadelphia in the mid eighties and they got firebombed by the mayor.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, they literally got blown up with a bomb. Um, not that, you know, look, whatever. I'm never been for racial separatism, but like, I also believe in freedom of association.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  That's the thing, that's the conflict, right? I think actually you should be able to do that. I don't have, I don't really take any problem with them segregating. That's fine. Why would you not want to live next to people that look like you, um, worship the same God, pray like you, raise their children the same way?

• 38:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  But why can they only do it? That's all.

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• 40:21Tucker Carlson?

  That's amazing. So what were the consequences for you?

• 40:25Speaker 02

  So immediately, um, obviously the sponsor pulled out of our video. We don't want to touch that. So I can talk about Muslims, Christians, pimps, prostitutes, any group you can imagine. But this was the no-no Tucker. This was the radioactive topic.

• 40:42Tucker Carlson?

  But you had an advertiser in the video.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Typically, they do not ask me for the topic of the video. For this video.

• 40:48Tucker Carlson?

  I've never been asked the topic of a video.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  I generally have creative flexibility to place these sponsorships I get on whatever video I please. But for this one, um, I put out a tweet saying, have you ever heard of Curious Joel? And I broke down some of the statistics regarding their welfare use. And I'm not going to name the company, but one of the, um, the correspondents on behalf of that company saw it and wanted to clarify that it would not be about the Orthodox Jews. And then when I said, yeah, it is, they pulled out. So obviously they have the right to spend their money how they please. It's just funny. And it goes to show seemingly which groups you cannot talk about.

• 41:27Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I think that's pretty clear at this point. I have a lot of thoughts about that. The main one is, I think it's counterproductive, obviously. It's not, not good for anyone in the end. But I also think it's a violation of like the core idea of America, which is.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  And it leads to resentment, I think.

• 41:44Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, big time.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  For a lot of people.

• 41:45Tucker Carlson?

  Big time.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  And it sort of proves their points right, um, in the sense of you have special privileges. No, I don't. You can't talk about us. Shut up. Okay. So you do have special privileges?

• 41:56Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I agree.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Do you? So after that video, um, so many residents from New Jersey reached out to me and said, hey, we have the same thing going on here in Lakewood, New Jersey and surrounding towns. Please come here and take a look. So Lakewood, I think is the most populous Jewish town besides what? Brooklyn, New York, uh, in the United States, uh, massive Orthodox Jewish community. And, um, many of the towns have been turned over, so to speak. Non-Jewish towns have become predominantly Jewish towns, uh, in the last two decades, from my understanding in the early 2000s especially. And, uh, it has been perpetrated through pretty aggressive, uh,

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Methods, so to speak.

• 42:40Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we're talking about the consolidation of political dominance from the township board to the planning board, to the zoning board, to the school board. And the heritage residents in these areas, their argument is they've made it so uncomfortable for us that we've either left, if we've had the means to leave financially, and those who are left behind send their kids to a dismantled, diluted, and pillaged public school system that's been destroyed inadvertently by the presence of these Orthodox Jews.

• 43:13Tucker Carlson?

  Well, how has it destroyed this school?

• 43:15Speaker 02

  So, in New Jersey, the state funding formula for schools is a derivative of public school attendance, okay? So if I had 5,000 public school attendees, that would be multiplied by X to determine the amount of money my school gets. So what happens is when Orthodox Jewish communities come in, they overwhelm these school districts with Jewish students who go to yeshivas, right? They do not attend the public school system. Yet simultaneously, those schools have an obligation to fund private transportation, special education for these private schools. So what ends up happening is a large piece of the pie ends up getting allocated towards

• 43:59Speaker 02

  these private schools in the form of gender segregated busing and exorbitant costs for special education within the Jewish community.

• 44:07Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, the state pays for gender segregation?

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Gender segregated busing.

• 44:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:12Tucker Carlson?

  The state pays for that?

• 44:14Speaker 02

  Correct, so that's state funded.

• 44:15Tucker Carlson?

  You can't even get states to have gender segregated bathrooms, but they're paying for gender segregated busing?

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Sure, because they argue it's a violation of their freedom to religiously express themselves and, uh, yeah. So there's gender segregated busing at play here.

• 44:29Tucker Carlson?

  What about Title IX? There's no federal law. Wow, that's amazing.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Sure. Yeah, so whatever you it's a violation of the Establishment Clause.

• 44:37Tucker Carlson?

  I'm a, by the way, just in point of fact, I'm okay with gender segregation. I don't have a problem with that at all. At all. In fact, I think it's good in some ways, but.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:45Tucker Carlson?

  I, I just didn't know that the government could pay for it because I thought the official position of the government at every level was gender segregation is always bad, including in the John.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:54Tucker Carlson?

  But no, it's okay when.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  I guess.

• 44:56Tucker Carlson?

  The yeshivas do it.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Sure. Because they're a religious organization.

• 44:59Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Which, you know, different conversation, but religious freedoms in this country, I think, have gone too far or have been weaponized by bad actors.

• 45:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, there seems to be less religious freedom for some people, but a lot more for others.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. And this is not the only instance of this exact same behavior. The blueprint was made in East Ramapo in Muncie, New York, not too far away. Basically, Orthodox Jews came into this community of mostly black and brown, working class, poor people.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Bought a bunch of real estate, established their presence, voted themselves into positions of power in the school board, the zoning board, the planning board, the city council. They voted to defund like after school activities for the kids in the public schools. To increase the amount of funding for these yeshivas. And then they would consolidate the public schools that existed as the funding basically went down and the public student enrollment went down as people left, they would consolidate them, consolidate them, meaning they would close down some of the public schools. And they would then sell them off for a discounted price to these yeshivas. So the takeaway from nearby towns.

• 46:14Tucker Carlson?

  And so they actually took over the, the physical plant, the buildings?

• 46:18Speaker 02

  They bought the schools at discounted rates. Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Below market rates, arguably.

• 46:24Tucker Carlson?

  Damn.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  It's brutal, right? So the lesson for nearby towns was, we don't really have any upside for these people to move in if, A, the state funding formula is designed in such a way that the quality of our kids and their public education will go down, and they will elect themselves into political power and basically be aggressive and unreasonable neighbors to live by. So, yeah.

• 46:51Tucker Carlson?

  It's an amazing story.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's interesting.

• 46:54Tucker Carlson?

  So, uh,

• 46:57Tucker Carlson?

  you get calls from people saying

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:59Tucker Carlson?

  that this is going on, what you covered in New York is happening at even bigger scale.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Not a call, just, um, widespread social media feedback.

• 47:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Like, hey, what you saw here, um, there's, there's tons of it and more here in Lakewood. Come, come down and visit.

• 47:13Tucker Carlson?

  So what's Lakewood like?

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Um, Lakewood is, some would describe it as Little Jerusalem, uh, Israel 2.0. I've never been to Israel. The climate's fundamentally different. Obviously, that's a questionable comparison, but-

• 47:28Tucker Carlson?

  New Jersey is the same size as Israel, weirdly.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Funnily enough.

• 47:31Tucker Carlson?

  But I bet you the landscape in Israel's more charming.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably so, right?

• 47:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  It's the Holy Land, right?

• 47:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  I mean, it's New Jersey, first off. It's in Ocean County. Uh, the climate's much different, but it, it is densely populated with, I think, two thirds of the population is Orthodox Jews. Um, the driving's terrible. Um, and they run the show down there.

• 47:55Tucker Carlson?

  And you went?

• 47:55Speaker 02

  I went. I went to Lakewood. I went to Mont's New York. I went to the nearby town of Jackson, Jackson Township. Uh, where else did we go? We went all over, like four separate trips.

• 48:07Tucker Carlson?

  Experience did you have?

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Um, oh, I was the boogeyman. A lot of these people had seen the video in Kirish Joel, and they were afraid for me to come down to Lakewood, New Jersey. There were group chats where they would disseminate Yiddish, um, posters basically saying, do not talk to anyone with a camera. Uh, do not let anyone in our synagogues play Disney music. So he gets a copyright claim on his videos. Like, I was the devil after that video in Kirish Joel came out in other Orthodox Jewish communities. Because I also put out a tweet saying, I'm gonna come down. Let me know if you have any tips. I'm coming, basically.

• 48:44Tucker Carlson?

  Wow. So what happened when you got there? Did anyone talk to you?

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Of course, yeah. Despite them being told not to talk to me, a lot of Jewish people did come up to me. And their main point was, "The law is written in such a way that we deserve to receive these welfare benefits. We qualify legally, and therefore it's okay and good. And if you have a problem with that, go move to a different country." My position was-

• 49:08Tucker Carlson?

  Go move to a different country?

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Sure. I mean, obviously not all of them thought that way. There were a few friendly encounters, but mostly it was pretty confrontational, unwelcoming. They were frustrated that I was there.

• 49:19Tucker Carlson?

  I can take it, therefore I'm justified in taking it?

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, so beyond the ethics of whether or not it was a good or bad thing to do, their justification was, "If the law is written in such a way, we are justified in doing it." The law was somehow supreme over what I would argue to be morals or ethics that, in my opinion, this is a bad thing to exploit or take advantage of, if that's what you're doing. But for them, it's not coincidental, it's by design. It's systemic exploitation of a system. They're fully aware of all of its loopholes. They understand the law in such a way that allows them to exploit it in every degree.

• 49:53Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I think what you're seeing is a clash of worldviews.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 49:56Tucker Carlson?

  So I, I understand both, by the way. I understand both.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 50:00Tucker Carlson?

  But one is a legalistic worldview. This is the law, and we're within the bounds of the law, which is, I think, totally defensible. And the other is, well, there's a higher law having to do with your ethics.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Honor, shame, decency.

• 50:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, and you see this repeatedly in the New Testament when Jesus heals on the Sabbath.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:20Tucker Carlson?

  There's all famous scenes, but there's a particularly memorable scene where he heals a guy who's been crippled for 38 years at the pool of Bessida, and the guy gets up and picks up his mat and starts walking, and the Pharisees are just on him. The guy hasn't walked in 38 years, and they're like, "You're holding your mat on the Sabbath. This is against the law."

• 50:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 50:38Tucker Carlson?

  And she's just like, no, you're missing the point.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:41Tucker Carlson?

  He can walk after 38 years. Like, there's a higher calling here.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 50:45Tucker Carlson?

  And so, I'm not attacking anybody.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:47Tucker Carlson?

  I'm just saying, like, I think you're kind of seeing that.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Law versus ethics morality, almost.

• 50:51Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  In my opinion. The way I view what welfare was designed.

• 50:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, yes.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  For, which was to help indigents, you know, poverty, a single mom with some kids, they can't afford to pay for groceries.

• 51:01Tucker Carlson?

  Or even more broadly, there are things that we're allowed to do that we don't do because we restrain ourselves.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 51:06Tucker Carlson?

  I can scream the F word at a grandmother. There's no law against it, but I don't because that's disgusting, right?

• 51:13Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 51:14Tucker Carlson?

  You could probably get on welfare right now.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure a lot of people could and don't due to this concept of shame, which is seemingly not universal, right?

• 51:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  We let all of these groups of people from all over the world, including Jewish people, right? Including, you know, Sub-Saharan Africans, whoever it may be, into the United States. Because apparently we have this obligation of being a melting pot, whatever that means, however new that concept is. And we're surprised when we learn that we have different worldviews, different values, different gods, different interpretations of reality that guide our actions. Thus the divide. Because the heritage residents in a city like Lakewood are saying, "Yeah, we know you can legally qualify, but we're tired of paying for your shit. Please stop." And they're saying, "Urm, the law says I can, therefore I will." Anti-Semitism.

• 52:06Tucker Carlson?

  If you don't like it, leave.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Therefore, leave.

• 52:09Tucker Carlson?

  You leave your country.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Yes. Despite their whole lifestyle being contingent on being subsidized by the welfare that is paid for by secular tax dollars, is my position. So you can't be mad at the person that funds your entire way of life. I think that's disingenuous, and that's a little ungrateful.

• 52:27Tucker Carlson?

  It's the definition of it.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:29Tucker Carlson?

  Do local politicians, do they weigh in on this?

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Um, they didn't weigh in on it directly when I put my video out. But all local politicians caved to these guys. The voting block is too immensely valuable for anyone to shut this down. To cap the amount of benefits that they receive to two kids or, or three kids. No one wants to take away their gravy train because they want the votes. So the votes in exchange for them to be able to live the life however they want to please. To teach their kids however they want.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  To exhaust the welfare system however they please. And to not prosecute seemingly any wrongdoers. So, yeah.

• 53:15Tucker Carlson?

  So this video comes out, did you have any, um, I should ask, did you have any like hostile exchanges?

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. I mean, I want to emphasize that I had no fear of being physically harmed in these communities. That's, I gotta throw a bone their way. Unlike Minneapolis, I did fear the Somali communities, you know, attacking me or shooting me. That's a real fear. Showing up to Curious Joel or Lakewood, that's not a real fear. There's no fear of physical harm, in my opinion. I, I walk without security there. That's not a real concern.

• 53:47Tucker Carlson?

  Whereas you felt threatened in the Somali neighborhood?

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah. I mean, or some of these crime ridden predominantly black cities. And let's say Jackson, Mississippi or Kensington, Philadelphia. I might fear I, I might get shot. That's not a concern here. So I'm not physically fearful. But we were intimidated by the local police. And most interestingly, their own internal police. They have this, this thing called Chamrim. It's a volunteer, um, community patrol, but they de facto function is law enforcement within the community. So we had this Chamrim volunteer police equivalent basically show up to us and say,

• 54:32Speaker 02

  I want to let everyone know that they don't have to answer your questions and we're going to follow you. So keep in mind that these people drive cars with red and blue lights. They look like undercover police vehicles. How is that legal? I don't think it is Tucker, but they do it. I'm not a lawyer, of course, but uh, they're blasting through red lights with what appear to be undercover police cars. And this is a volunteer civilian patrol squad. Now, keep in mind, they receive some element of federal funds, township funds. So my tax dollars still somehow end up funding Shomrim, a volunteer police squad in New Jersey. How is that even possible?

• 55:18Tucker Carlson?

  The religious police.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Exactly. Essentially.

• 55:21Tucker Carlson?

  Like in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  So imagine if a Muslim group did that.

• 55:26Tucker Carlson?

  I'd be opposed. Outrage from me too.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah. And technically they're a volunteer

• 55:34Speaker 02

  civilian patrol squad, but they function as an intimidating force to stop you from doing things to sort of enforce the law. And oftentimes they've been accused of breaching what they can actually do legally. Whether it be like, I think they beat some gay black guy to blindness once in like Crown Heights. There have been several instances of people basically saying, yo, they're not cops. Why are they acting like cops?

• 55:59Tucker Carlson?

  They ran over a kid in Crown Heights in the eighties and caused one of the biggest riots in New York.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  Oh, is this the one?

• 56:04Tucker Carlson?

  The Crown Heights riots, yeah.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Where Hotzola, their EMS, their volunteer EMS, they didn't take the kid, but they took the Jewish guy, right? And the kid died?

• 56:14Tucker Carlson?

  That's correct. Well, that was the claim. I mean, I wasn't there and um, no, I wasn't.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  I wasn't there either, yeah.

• 56:19Tucker Carlson?

  It's New York and like you never know and everyone lies about everything. And ethnic conflict is incredibly hard to decipher like what? Cause as soon as he gets tribal, everyone lies on behalf of the tribe, whatever the tribe. It's not just, it's not just the Orthodox, it's the black people. Any tribe does this, so I don't really know what happened, of course.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 56:38Tucker Carlson?

  That, that was certainly the account that history has recorded is that.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  And why wouldn't they have an in-group preferential bias, right?

• 56:45Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they do.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  And any person does, obviously.

• 56:49Tucker Carlson?

  Whites don't, but-

• 56:50Speaker 02

  With the exception of like post George Floyd, I'm pretty sure they ran a study where whites were less inclined to shoot a black guy-

• 56:55Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, much less.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  Obviously, right? Their whole life is gonna get torn to shreds.

• 56:59Tucker Carlson?

  Right, and whites have just had it beaten out of them. And even in a country that fought the Nazis, everyone somehow feels responsible for the Nazis. But anyway, uh, yeah, and there may be other reasons, but the bottom line is, you're right.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  Yes, we had rabbis telling us we couldn't be in the parking lot for the kosher west supermarket. Um, get out of here. People whispering in each other's ears, "Don't talk to him." Um, there's seemingly this upper management rabbinical class that's telling the plebs to, to not talk to this guy, he's trouble. So there'd be a lot of people excited to come up to me, actually, and tell a joke.

• 57:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  "I got a funny joke for you." And I was like, "All right, great, we'll show some positives." Guy comes up, or, "Don't talk to him." He says, "Do you know how much money we make?" That was his new response. I'm like, "Come on, man, just show your humanity, talk to me, I'm here to talk. I'm not a scary guy, we're not rolling with ten security guards. It's me and like a cameraman or two in the distance. I'm walking alone for the most part. And I have a group of ten to twenty of these Orthodox Jews arguing with me as to how they're entitled, um, to welfare, how it was seemingly promised to them." Ah, man. But, uh, yeah, so they had their own internal police force. The cops themselves were pulling me over without probable cause. I would say, "Hey, officer, I know you're doing your job, why am I being pulled over?"

• 58:22Speaker 02

  They would say, "You're a suspicious person." I would say, "What's suspicious about me?" "You were filming." "Okay, we were filming on the sidewalk." "Give me your IDs." There's, they can't articulate probable cause. Um, "We suspect, um, that one of the high-ranking local officials called the police and told them to give us a hard time." That's speculative, I don't know.

• 58:42Tucker Carlson?

  What country is this again?

• 58:44Speaker 02

  The United States of America.

• 58:45Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, America, okay, yeah.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  It's easy to forget, though, right? So, yeah, it was hostile, it was unwelcoming, they thought I was there to do a hit piece. Um, I was there to talk to them.

• 58:55Tucker Carlson?

  You're allowed to do a hit piece if you want, in your own country.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  For sure, yeah. And I am allowed to do that, and part of my position was, uh, first of all, it wasn't a hit piece, it was fair, in my opinion. But B, I don't have to show up to show the positive sides of whatever community. That's for, it's for Joe Schmo to do. I'm here to jump into the heart of darkness and ask the hard questions and, and if people get pissed off, then so be it, you know?

• 59:19Tucker Carlson?

  It's not your, not your problem.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  It's not my problem, if, I want to do the fun, hard stuff, which is asking the questions that may piss off a few people.

• 59:27Tucker Carlson?

  So, did you get the same picture you got at Curious 2L, that this is a community supported by welfare?

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Um, the economics are a little bit different. They, they're a little more well off financially, but basically at any given time, you can expect half of the population that's 16 and up to be unemployed.

• 59:44Tucker Carlson?

  Half?

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Half. So, keep in mind though, Tucker, that in a place like Curious 2L, I think the median age is less than 16 years old. So, what that really means is half the population is children and half of the adult population is unemployed, uh, and not seeking employment. Whether it be religious study, child rearing for the women, uh, they have no intention of getting a job and financially contributing. Um, so yeah.

• 1:00:14Tucker Carlson?

  So, how'd that video do?

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Oh, that one went nuclear. Uh, Republicans were pissed.

• 1:00:22Tucker Carlson?

  They were?

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Good faith Republicans, in my opinion, drew comparisons to the Somali situation and said, "What's the difference between the Jews here using the welfare and systematically exploitative ways and, um, the Somalis? Like, what's the difference, basically?" Um, bad faith Republicans, hypocritical Republicans were saying, "They're using the system as intended. They don't cause any violent crime. Leave them alone, essentially. You're not allowed to talk about..."

• 1:00:52Tucker Carlson?

  Why don't they leave us alone?

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Right? As a taxpayer.

• 1:00:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Go fund it yourself and no one would have an issue. And that's really the crux of it.

• 1:00:59Tucker Carlson?

  I'd support it.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:01:00Tucker Carlson?

  I like eccentric, self-sufficient religious communities. I don't want to bother any, any one of them.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Sure. But part of the secondary argument is their intrusion into the community, and the words I used were invasion.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  has led to the inadvertent destruction of the public school system for the secular or goyim population, the non-Jewish population in these towns. Basically, as more Jews move in, it is unavoidable that your public school quality will go to shit. Your kids will have a lesser quality of education. So it's either get out now while you can, sell your house to the Orthodox Jews moving in, or be the last one holding the bag as your town goes to shit.

• 1:01:45Tucker Carlson?

  Man, that's upsetting.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  Kind of, right?

• 1:01:48Tucker Carlson?

  So this video goes bonkers on the internet?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Hmm, yeah, so within, I think, less than 24 hours, my Patreon is deleted mysteriously.

• 1:01:58Tucker Carlson?

  What's Patreon?

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  Patreon is a sort of a crowdfunding website that allows you to directly raise money from your viewers or fans or whatever, where you can say, you know, hey, you can get access to these videos for five bucks a month. So a large portion of our independence was from this website where we had people subscribe to our Patreon. It's just a website that allows you to collect money on a subscription or routine basis. Less than 24 hours after releasing this video, my Patreon is deleted, gone, without warning.

• 1:02:31Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  They cited some BS. They basically, the way the Terms of Service is written is in such a manner that they can take you down.

• 1:02:42Tucker Carlson?

  But that's your business.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  That's my business, right? Obviously, it's their business. It is what it is. I was naive.

• 1:02:48Tucker Carlson?

  But this is the engine of your business, right?

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, a large part of how we're funded.

• 1:02:54Tucker Carlson?

  That's...

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  I mean, it's really just a middleman that allows me to collect money.

• 1:02:56Tucker Carlson?

  Was it a mistake?

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  No, absolutely not.

• 1:02:59Tucker Carlson?

  They didn't reinstate it?

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  I've not been reinstated since.

• 1:03:02Tucker Carlson?

  Did they ever, did they ever explain?

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:06Speaker 02

  No, they cited, I think it was for bullying or something like that.

• 1:03:10Tucker Carlson?

  Bullying?

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  Um, and I think they might have selected a video that they could easily argue was the case in their eyes in such a way that their terms of service is written. But no, we were to platform to basically overnight from Patreon.

• 1:03:27Tucker Carlson?

  But you'd done controversial video or videos that could be seen as controversial before, correct?

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Videos that could easily be seen. If that is your parameter for hate or bullying, then we've bullied everyone.

• 1:03:39Tucker Carlson?

  Give me an example.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  We're the biggest bullies. Um, we've critiqued corrupt mega pastors like Benny Hinn. I ran up on the guy's stage and said, he's a snake oil salesman. I got tackled.

• 1:03:51Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  We've dissected.

• 1:03:53Tucker Carlson?

  Benny Hinn, that Benny Hinn, he was a friend of Paula White's, I think.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:03:57Tucker Carlson?

  Paula White, the

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's OG.

• 1:04:00Tucker Carlson?

  Christian Zionist in the administration. Yeah. Um, wow. You didn't get pulled off.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:06Tucker Carlson?

  So you actually kind of hassled Benny Hinn like full blown?

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we, we interrupted his service.

• 1:04:10Tucker Carlson?

  Whoa.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Well, I, I jumped on stage.

• 1:04:12Tucker Carlson?

  Did you do anything like that in a synagogue in Lakewood or Currie?

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  We just walked into synagogues and

• 1:04:16Tucker Carlson?

  You didn't interrupt the cantor or anything?

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  No, I didn't do any dramatic.

• 1:04:19Tucker Carlson?

  So you're way tougher on the Christian preacher than you were on the Orthodox?

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, if you think of it like that way, not by design necessarily, but to be fair, absolutely. Nothing happened.

• 1:04:29Tucker Carlson?

  No problem.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  No problem.

• 1:04:30Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, what else? What other kind of videos might have been read as bullying?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  Um, if I'm a bully, then we've bullied pedophiles. Pat myself on the back for that one. Um, it's not so much bullying. We've just critiqued and asked critical questions to every group.

• 1:04:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. And never

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Muslims, Christians, pimps, prostitutes, criminal gangsters, murderers, whoever Tucker, everyone.

• 1:04:55Tucker Carlson?

  And, and did Patreon ever?

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Black supremacists, white supremacists. No, no issue on Patreon.

• 1:05:01Tucker Carlson?

  What's interesting is it used to be not that long ago, back in George Floyd times, that

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  George Floyd, we had a video on George Floyd.

• 1:05:09Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, did you? Literally?

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:11Tucker Carlson?

  But there was a period where you couldn't say anything about Black Lives Matter, for example.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:16Tucker Carlson?

  Do you remember that?

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:05:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  I grew up in those times.

• 1:05:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yes. So that's gone. Apparently it doesn't matter.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  I guess.

• 1:05:22Tucker Carlson?

  Say whatever you want. Yeah. This is, this is the new BLM.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  This is the new meta. Yeah. The new untouchable group is seemingly

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  It seems to be Jews at large, unrelated to how they feel about Israel and, you know, what's going on in the Middle East and just that's an untouchable group. Are you familiar with the proposed, what, antisemitism protection laws in Florida?

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  I'm not a lawyer. I don't have an encyclopedic breakdown of what it is, but basically laws that are designed in such a manner that if you criticize, basically exactly what I found in Curious Joel, that that would be criminal?

• 1:06:01Tucker Carlson?

  Criminal?

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  I think so. That if you accuse a Jewish person of having dual loyalty,

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  or them causing problems in the Middle East, or whatever it is, there's like 12 different bullet points that's amend your ability to freely discuss what's going on in the Middle East, or here in the United States of America. Which is funny to me because there are in fact, people who do have dual loyalty.

• 1:06:27Tucker Carlson?

  We should have a revolution over that. I mean, you're not allowed to tell Americans what they have to believe, period.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:06:32Tucker Carlson?

  And if you back up your demand with guns, using our government to prevent us from saying what we think is true, then that's grounds for...

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  I would agree, but who's gonna do anything about it?

• 1:06:43Tucker Carlson?

  We had a revolution over something smaller than that, you know, so.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but who's gonna go out with guns and, and fight back at this point? You have the surveillance state, you're gonna get arrested immediately. Like, is, is revolution really...

• 1:06:55Tucker Carlson?

  If they can make people take the vax, then probably they can make them do anything.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  We failed the compliance, or we passed.

• 1:07:01Tucker Carlson?

  No, you're right. You're right. No, it's, it's right. It's just that you would think

• 1:07:06Tucker Carlson?

  that people would hold on to their core freedom, which is the right to say what you think is true, period.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  You would think a lot of things, Tucker.

• 1:07:13Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know. So Patreon, that's crazy. So you lost us, you lost an advertiser and...

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  Overnight, yeah. And that money, the amount of money that was allocated for me to receive, I think on a monthly basis, just disappeared, refunded to my supporters.

• 1:07:29Tucker Carlson?

  Seriously?

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but luckily, you know, we're big enough to where we took it like a champ, it is what it is. Fuck them, basically.

• 1:07:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  We made our own website, you know, we fully host that. And then I got banned from the website servers, not once, but twice.

• 1:07:45Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. I couldn't host my website for, what was it? Hate speech or something along those lines.

• 1:07:54Tucker Carlson?

  Seriously?

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Seriously, yeah.

• 1:07:56Tucker Carlson?

  Because of those videos?

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I guess. I mean, there's no specification as to which video, just generally, um, I'm a propagator of hate speech.

• 1:08:03Tucker Carlson?

  The web host, that's just whoever owns the servers.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  Exactly, just the servers. So Hertzner and Volter took me off, yeah.

• 1:08:11Tucker Carlson?

  That's wild.

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  It's just something you never would have thought of.

• 1:08:15Tucker Carlson?

  Did you think of it ahead of time?

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  No, absolutely not. That's why I made the, the website in the first place. Like, I'll just make my own.

• 1:08:23Tucker Carlson?

  Are you?

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  And then we got taken off the hosting, yeah.

• 1:08:26Tucker Carlson?

  Did they explain it?

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, they said, they cited, um, like banning circumvention as, as, basically I circumvented a previous ban from another platform, which in this case would be Patreon, I guess, and then for hate speech or something along those lines.

• 1:08:41Tucker Carlson?

  How long did this take to happen?

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  Uh, I think it maybe lasted a week for the first one, maybe a week again, maybe a week and a half.

• 1:08:47Tucker Carlson?

  So immediately?

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Pretty quickly. Oh, oh, Patreon within 24 hours from what I remember, and then about a week on one website, and then about another week. One week on one's, uh, website server, and then another week.

• 1:09:00Tucker Carlson?

  And there's no appeal or argument or anything?

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  We're kicking you off, you're out of here, buddy.

• 1:09:05Tucker Carlson?

  Did you ever hear from them again? Did they reinstate you, anybody?

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  No, reinstated by none. Um, it's a joke.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Tucker Carlson?

  So what did you do?

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, I have a new web host server right now, but, um...

• 1:09:21Tucker Carlson?

  Are you worried about YouTube?

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Um, I feel as if YouTube's doing an okay job.

• 1:09:26Tucker Carlson?

  They certainly are.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Right? They're letting us have this conversation.

• 1:09:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Those videos have nine million views almost. To me, that's, um, I gotta give them kudos.

• 1:09:35Tucker Carlson?

  I spent many years attacking YouTube, and maybe I will again.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Tucker Carlson?

  But I got fired through, almost exactly three years ago, and YouTube has been... A stalwart partner.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Tucker Carlson?

  Never thought I would say that I wouldn't lie about it. It's not like I'm in, I don't owe them money.

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:09:51Tucker Carlson?

  I could exist without them, but I just have to be, I think you're in the same position.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  I would say largely I could not exist without them, but they've treated me with fairness. So.

• 1:10:01Tucker Carlson?

  That's kind of shocking.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  It is. I know.

• 1:10:03Tucker Carlson?

  If you get to the point where you're sitting here complimenting Google for their commitment to free speech. Things are bad.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Things are getting bad, right?

• 1:10:09Tucker Carlson?

  No, but we should be grateful for our blessings.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Tucker Carlson?

  And so far YouTube has been a blessing. I can't believe I'm saying that.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:10:16Tucker Carlson?

  It's just a fact. It's just a fact. I don't know what to say. I feel like a sellout, but it's just true. Um, so wow. So we didn't, in the end, you replaced the income? How?

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah.

• 1:10:27Tucker Carlson?

  How do you do that?

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  Uh, people will just rally behind the cause of why would you not allow this guy to have an account?

• 1:10:33Tucker Carlson?

  I couldn't, I feel like sending you money just listening to this, but I mean, how do you do that? So Patreon is the dominant service for this, correct?

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  I use AI to code a new website and then we hosted it on a web host server.

• 1:10:46Tucker Carlson?

  You've made your own?

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  It's made my own. Yeah. Like the next day at like two in the morning, I was just clacking away on.

• 1:10:52Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  I swear. Yeah, that's the story.

• 1:10:54Tucker Carlson?

  You built your own Patreon?

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  The prettiest websites, but yeah, we built a Patreon clone, basically. Yeah.

• 1:11:01Tucker Carlson?

  In 24 hours?

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  Uh, no, maybe a couple of days, a couple of days.

• 1:11:05Tucker Carlson?

  That's incredible. And it actually works?

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  I guess for that much at least. Yeah, it works. Yeah.

• 1:11:10Tucker Carlson?

  Like processes?

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Surprisingly, it's not that sophisticated to host a video.

• 1:11:15Tucker Carlson?

  Like, no, I guess that's right.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, right? It's, it's not a complicated product.

• 1:11:19Tucker Carlson?

  So you have survived.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  We've survived and thrived. Yeah.

• 1:11:23Tucker Carlson?

  What are the lessons you're drawing from this?

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Um, seemingly there are a lot of powerful Jewish people who own significant media enterprises, websites that seem to bend the knee at least to what they view to be anti-Semitic dialogue.

• 1:11:43Tucker Carlson?

  What's interesting though is I don't know a lot about it. I'll just be totally blunt. I've always liked the Orthodox just on principle because, and I loved them during COVID because they wouldn't stop their weddings.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, they threw a middle finger.

• 1:11:53Tucker Carlson?

  I love that. I was constantly from my heart complimenting the.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  I think they're great if they did it on their own dime. That's really what it comes back to.

• 1:12:00Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't even know about any of this stuff.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  I mean, they're nice people. If I wasn't there with the camera asking critical questions, they're nice enough people to me.

• 1:12:05Tucker Carlson?

  But what's interesting is every time I've ever, um, complimented the Orthodox. And I like their style, like the beaver hats and all that. I like all that stuff.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  And um. The garb is badass.

• 1:12:16Tucker Carlson?

  The people who've pushed back against me are are secular Jews. Like, there's always been in Israel, as noted, there's terrible tension, but here also. I've had a lot of friends who are basically secular Jewish. Express real hostility toward the Orthodox.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  With respect.

• 1:12:35Tucker Carlson?

  You know, they don't like them. I mean, I've just noticed that my whole life, just having a lot of

• 1:12:39Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:12:39Tucker Carlson?

  secular Jewish friends whenever I'm like, I was in Borough Park, Brooklyn once.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:12:43Tucker Carlson?

  And I came for a story and years ago, 30 years, and I came back to my newsroom and I was like, I like those guys. And they were all the people I know who are secular Jews who were like, they're disgusting, they're horrible. Like, there was tension between those two groups. That's what I've always noticed. I'm hardly an expert. I'm an Episcopalian, but I've just, I've seen this.

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, what was fascinating to me.

• 1:13:01Tucker Carlson?

  Weird that.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Is that despite their internal differences, they do show up for each other, it seems like.

• 1:13:06Tucker Carlson?

  Apparently.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  I think so, because I had a lot of secular Jews frustrated and pissed off that we put on these videos. Yeah. The Israelis kind of loved it, though, it seems like.

• 1:13:16Tucker Carlson?

  Right, of course.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  They're like, thank you for calling this out. We have the same thing here in Israel. They won't enlist.

• 1:13:23Tucker Carlson?

  Whatever you think about the Israelis, I've known a bunch of them I liked personally, but they have fewer hangups about this kind of stuff, that they're much more direct. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:33Tucker Carlson?

  They're straightforward people. So what, is this gonna change how you progress?

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  Hell, no. No, I mean, this was the most radioactive thing we could have done at this point. No bars held. I mean, we'll, we'll continue to, to critically show up with the same critical lens we would any other group.

• 1:13:51Tucker Carlson?

  Did it affect any friendships?

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  No, not that I'm aware of.

• 1:13:55Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, good.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's good, right?

• 1:13:57Tucker Carlson?

  That's a true loss. Yeah, if that happens to you, that's a real.

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  That would be sad, but ultimately, I would see that as their loss, because come on, we're on a mission here to, to hold everyone accountable to the same standards.

• 1:14:07Tucker Carlson?

  To the same standards, exactly right.

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  Breaks our friendship, then come on, get out of here.

• 1:14:12Tucker Carlson?

  I, I agree. I agree with that. Do you worry that if this can happen to you? I didn't realize this stuff was still happening.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:19Tucker Carlson?

  I thought Trump was gonna fix all this stuff. I thought this was like a relic of the Biden years, but um.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  I'll give you an example. There was a guy who made a similar video, almost a brand new channel, maybe like 2,000 subscribers on YouTube, a very small channel in YouTube metrics. He put out a video there in Lakewood about a week or two before I think we finished ours. And he got dog piled by the Orthodox Jewish community. They mass disliked it and ultimately algorithmically killed the video. They aborted the video before its inception, so to speak. It never got to take off. So my takeaway was if we were not the size we were on YouTube, I don't think we could comfortably even talk about a lot of these things. We have the track record for treating everyone equally, in my opinion. We have the size to sort of bully this into conversation was my takeaway.

• 1:15:08Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting.

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:09Tucker Carlson?

  For people who don't know what you mean about dog piling a video out of existence, can you just explain the mechanics?

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, this is somewhat speculative on my end, but I think there's data out there that suggests that when a video from the get-go is mass disliked, for instance, if you had 10,000 people click this video, dislike it and watch it for one second, the algorithm would disincentivize the proliferation of this video to new viewers. So you have a guy with 100 subscribers who puts out a video critical of a group like, let's say, the Orthodox Jews, and it gets 10,000 dislikes and they watch it for five seconds and leave a negative comment. YouTube's gonna see that as this video does not resonate with the initial sample size and we will not continue to share this video. So his video will never get any traction because of that initial abortion of the video, so to speak.

• 1:15:58Tucker Carlson?

  But you've reached a scale where that's just, that's doesn't work anymore.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:02Tucker Carlson?

  Has it hurt your business?

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  Yes, I think so.

• 1:16:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, sponsors won't touch topics like that. We've had sponsors even asked to pull out sponsorships from videos we filmed three years ago that have nothing to do with these topics. We filmed a video in a cancer belt in Louisiana about.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Companies like, uh, what's an example? Uh, some of these pesticide companies.

• 1:16:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  That, uh, man, there's the big one.

• 1:16:32Tucker Carlson?

  Monsanto.

• 1:16:33Speaker 02

  Monsanto, I think, yeah. Um, in Louisiana, a bunch of people getting cancer, uh, way earlier than they should due to their exposure to these toxic chemicals. Videos totally unrelated to this Orthodox Jewish topic. They've asked to get pulled out from those videos. So I've cut them out of the videos on YouTube, um, retroactively. Three-year-old videos, uh, because of, uh, I guess the frustration of what, what this video represents. I don't know. There's no clarity beyond, you know, take this out. We have a legal clause that allows us to.

• 1:17:06Tucker Carlson?

  You said you grew up during George Floyd. Obviously did your 26.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:10Tucker Carlson?

  So that was six years ago. So you were just busy dropping out of college at that point.

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was actually in Austin when the riots happened and people were throwing Molotov cocktails through some bars downtown. I was watching the chaos unfold in downtown Austin. People were blowing up cars. I was like, what the hell's going on here? And I was pretty politically illiterate back then. I would argue I still am now. And I didn't even fully understand what was happening. I was like, why is Austin rioting? What does this have to do with Austin, Texas? Like, why is everyone chiming out here?

• 1:17:40Tucker Carlson?

  I still don't know.

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  I was like, wait, why did they get the pass to blow up a car? And why are the cops just watch it happen? What does Austin have to do with Minneapolis, right? It, it, it just didn't make any sense. Um, and when that happened, this was also during, um, the COVID nonsense. Um, the lockdown restrictions, all that fun stuff. And I was like, screw this, I'm going back to Modesto. I was like, I'm out of here. I broke the lease prematurely and just left. I was like, I'm not dealing with this. Um, so, yeah.

• 1:18:11Tucker Carlson?

  It's just in, so if you're 26, I mean, your whole like adult life has been.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Me Too, George Floyd, um, what else?

• 1:18:20Tucker Carlson?

  It's been one witch, witch hunt after another. It's just been pure identity politics from the minute you left high school.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is no world that I can recall without this identity politics, right? There is no non-tribal politics that I.

• 1:18:35Tucker Carlson?

  But you belong to the only group that's not allowed to have a tribe. So that must be very strange for you.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  I don't know what to make of it. I think um

• 1:18:45Tucker Carlson?

  I don't either.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  I can't conceive of a world where this was not the case. And I imagine you grew up in a time where most people look the same for the most part.

• 1:18:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  They worship the same God.

• 1:18:54Tucker Carlson?

  They did.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  And what, they wanted what was best for the economy? Like, they wanted national security and a thriving economy?

• 1:19:01Tucker Carlson?

  And I think because it was overwhelmingly overwhelmingly white in Christian, the country that I grew up in. The Christian whites really went out of their way to make non-Christian whites feel comfortable.

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:11Tucker Carlson?

  That was like, that was a huge emphasis. Um, you know, there are some people who aren't like us and we need to do whatever we can to de-emphasize the differences and to make them feel included.

• 1:19:22Tucker Carlson?

  That whole worldview, I think, is dying as the group that did it becomes a minority. But uh there was no sense in which, you know, discrimination was acceptable at all. Even in private, people didn't ever say, damn those Jews or damn those blacks. Like, I never heard one person's talk like that ever.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  And now that's pretty mainstream.

• 1:19:44Tucker Carlson?

  Now they're like, oh, people say, I don't believe you. You're lying. I don't care what you think. I was there. And nobody ever talked that way, ever, ever, ever.

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  Even as a kid, maybe the earliest I can remember, maybe in elementary school. Like, there truly might have been a colorblind element to life, right? And then beyond high school, for me, though, everything's been this identity politics.

• 1:20:02Tucker Carlson?

  How do you think this ends?

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  Balkanization of America, for sure, right? We're already seeing it. Um, if you can afford to, you'll insulate yourself from like crime-ridden inner cities and

• 1:20:13Tucker Carlson?

  That's why you're in Bozeman or wherever. You know, that's why Bozeman all of a sudden tripled in value, right?

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. If you have the money, you'll you'll leave these areas that are becoming crime-ridden shitholes. And if you don't, you'll be left behind as seemingly these activist judges release the same repeat offenders. Um, these murderous people who are, I guess, too mentally insane to be institutionalized, but mentally sane enough to be let back on the streets.

• 1:20:40Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you can see why the, there are probably whites who are getting a little paranoid. If you're the only non-protected group and every other group thinks is a group except you, we're not allowed to think is a group, and a lot of groups hate you, but there's no one to defend you, then, I mean, you can see why Elon Musk recently tweeted, "We're moving towards South Africa and the whites are screwed." You can see why.

• 1:21:03Speaker 02

  It's a great analogy, right?

• 1:21:04Tucker Carlson?

  Do people feel that way?

• 1:21:07Speaker 02

  I mean, go visit a shit hole city like Jackson, Mississippi. That's, um...

• 1:21:10Tucker Carlson?

  I spent a summer in Jackson in the late 80s.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  It depends on where you're...

• 1:21:13Tucker Carlson?

  In a black neighborhood.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:16Tucker Carlson?

  And it was great. And the black people were super nice, and there was no crime aimed at me. I think things have changed. That's kind of the point I'm making.

• 1:21:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't remember that world.

• 1:21:23Tucker Carlson?

  I was in Jackson, Mississippi in the summer of 1989 in a black neighborhood for like three weeks, and I went to the 7-Eleven at night to buy cigarettes and call my girlfriend on the payphone.

• 1:21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Tucker Carlson?

  And not one person bothered me. And I was the only pale face in the zip code. So like, that did exist. I was there.

• 1:21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I think you'd be unwise to show up to Detroit, or Philadelphia, or Jackson, Mississippi. And what gets rich too, Tucker, is a lot of people make it a red-blue state issue.

• 1:21:51Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  I mean, there are some fucked up cities all across America that deal with the same issues.

• 1:21:58Tucker Carlson?

  I've known it.

• 1:21:59Speaker 02

  And it's not on the lines of red or blue, Democrat, Republican.

• 1:22:02Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  It exists all over, so, I don't know. I think if you, the dream, the American dream right now is seemingly to make enough money to insulate yourself from the chaos unfolding in, uh, in major cities. To get out of the major city, to go buy a nice house in the suburbs, and to be left alone. That seems to be the modern American dream. Uh, and for a lot of people coming to the US, it seems to be to make as much money as possible, send as much as you can back home, and then show up to a mega mansion in Bengaluru, India after you're done exploiting the United States. That's what it seems like the dream is for a lot of these people coming here. Um, so yeah.

• 1:22:40Tucker Carlson?

  So that leaves one group totally unprotected.

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  Seemingly white people, right?

• 1:22:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  By every measure.

• 1:22:46Tucker Carlson?

  So I have noticed just in, and I, of course, I don't know what's coming, but I've noticed, uh, concern bordering on paranoia among people I've been talking to, pretty moderate, normal, you know, Bush, Romney, McCain, now Trump voters, just Republicans, not, you know, nothing, nothing crazy, not a white supremacist among them at all. It's like normal whites who are like, I think we're gonna get necklaces at some point.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  I think that group's probably least likely to hold any in-group racial preference, right?

• 1:23:16Tucker Carlson?

  These are not people who've ever thought of themselves as white at all.

• 1:23:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:19Tucker Carlson?

  Right, these are not people who've like, you know, they're not from Alpena, Arkansas. No, no, no, these are people from like Long Beach.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying, they're those least likely to

• 1:23:27Tucker Carlson?

  Totally.

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  Hold any, um, you know, whites don't stick together in their eyes, right?

• 1:23:33Tucker Carlson?

  At all.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  It's colorblind meritocracy.

• 1:23:35Tucker Carlson?

  It's never occurred to them.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  They've never had the need to.

• 1:23:37Tucker Carlson?

  Right, but those people, at least I've just noticed this in the past couple of months, are like, man, we're in trouble.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  That's interesting.

• 1:23:43Tucker Carlson?

  Have you heard anyone say that?

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Um, I only speak to, I feel like Gen Z, you know.

• 1:23:50Tucker Carlson?

  How do they feel?

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  Gen Z feels hopeless, demoralized, um, without opportunity. The college degree is seemingly useless, the bachelor's degree means nothing. They have to compete with a globalized labor force. There is what, human quantitative easing at play where we're insuring infinite jobs to compete against our college graduates. Yet Trump's out there saying, our college graduates are lazy and incompetent and not sufficient

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  to fill these jobs despite us holding what the best universities on the planet.

• 1:24:23Tucker Carlson?

  You guys noticed when he said that?

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, right? And that's such a slap in the face of, what's the point, what are we even voting for, right? Like, that's the question, um, who, who represents my generation's interests? Someone will have to, otherwise that energy has to be funneled somewhere, right?

• 1:24:39Tucker Carlson?

  So Trump did say something like that.

• 1:24:40Speaker 02

  I think something along those exact lines, yeah.

• 1:24:42Tucker Carlson?

  And people in your generation heard it, they caught that?

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, these are the same people who don't have a job several years out of college, who can't get a job with their degree, um, who are competing with, you know, infinite H1B Indians. These guys who have 20 years' experience from India who are taking their job and were using these H1Bs as a wage suppression mechanism, like, why are we not paying these H1Bs above market rate if they're such rare, irreplaceable talent, right? It seems to only be a wage suppression mechanism. So our generation's getting By seemingly foreigners.

• 1:25:19Tucker Carlson?

  Not seemingly, actual.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Literally enclaves of foreigners. They know the game, though. They understand that politics is zero sum. They need to elect their own, protect their own interests. And that's what I think my generation is maybe waking up to. And maybe something that your generation has had the good fortune of not having to spend as much time as.

• 1:25:38Tucker Carlson?

  Completely different country.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:40Tucker Carlson?

  Completely different. And I wouldn't be in touch with it if I didn't have so many children, so many employees and,

• 1:25:47Tucker Carlson?

  you know, and the other reasons. But in general, yeah, no, I think I'm more aware of it, but still not anywhere near as aware of it as you would be, since I'm not having.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Like identity politics was like gay and woke for the longest time until the white guy in his twenties was forced to confront himself with either. We developed some in groups, some in group racial preference, or we're going to go extinct, I think.

• 1:26:11Tucker Carlson?

  What's just so interesting is that I've noticed that this administration, which I think was elected to end identity politics, has engaged in the most aggressive identity politics, but only on behalf of 2% of the population. And so every single tweet.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:26:23Tucker Carlson?

  From every person I know in the administrations, like Harvard's real problem is that it's discriminating against Jews. Meanwhile, it's like 20% Jewish with a Jewish president. And the one group that is provably unrepresented is high SAT scoring, high IQ Christian white kids. And not only are they not ignoring that, but they're making a mockery of it and pointing their finger at that exact same group and accusing them of the sin, and it is a sin, of antisemitism. And it's like, are you begging for revolution? Is that what you want? It's mocking, it's mocking people who are being destroyed for who they are. And you know that that's true and you're ignoring it on purpose on behalf of, you know, people who are, who, whatever, anyway.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  There's not a talent deficiency within this, this ethnic group.

• 1:27:11Tucker Carlson?

  It's almost too much, though. It's a kind of humiliation that I don't understand why you would ever do that to somebody.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you can't be surprised when

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  there's an epidemic of what incels and hopeless young men who, who are opting out of the dating market, who are opting out of, what, eventually you give up, I'm sure, if you apply it to 10,000 jobs and you're algorithmically filtered out of consideration for a job.

• 1:27:34Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think there's been any attempt to fix any of that.

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 1:27:38Tucker Carlson?

  At all.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  I think the answer we've been given is you're not talented enough, you're lazy, we don't need you, here's an Indian, seemingly.

• 1:27:48Tucker Carlson?

  And we're gonna sue Harvard for discriminating against Jews.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  And the real problem is not the rapists, pedophiles in power, it's Harvard discriminating against Jews. Give me a break. Like Pam Bonnie, she tweeted that out. I was like, come on, Pam.

• 1:28:01Tucker Carlson?

  So I-

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  Lock in Pam, let's focus here Pam.

• 1:28:05Tucker Carlson?

  No, I think this is, um, this isn't, it's not just negligence, it's hate, it's hate, obviously. It's, it's hate. So, but where does that leave the group that you're talking about, which voted for Trump, by the way?

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:17Tucker Carlson?

  Overwhelmingly.

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  Bag holders, um-

• 1:28:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, so, but what, and then I, you know, Nick Fuentes, or Fuentes is only about Fuentes, but at some point, there's gonna be someone who is not just about himself, who actually wants to build a political movement that is way more radical than the Republican Party, and that person is going to be huge among your generation. Is that a fair-

• 1:28:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't know the full political belief of, I don't know all the beliefs, you know, Fuentes has, for example, but I think he's right about that young men are disaffected.

• 1:28:52Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not attacking Fuentes, I'm just saying like, Fuentes is only about Fuentes, or whatever.

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know his-

• 1:28:57Tucker Carlson?

  Fuentes is, ultimately, he talks about himself.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  He's not avoidable, you know.

• 1:29:01Tucker Carlson?

  But he makes points that are true.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:29:04Tucker Carlson?

  A lot of them.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:29:05Tucker Carlson?

  And he is being, uh, you know, it's like-

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  That ring true for a non-radical, or someone who is-

• 1:29:11Tucker Carlson?

  They ring true for me, that's why I interviewed him.

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Tucker Carlson?

  And I don't agree with a lot of it, I told him I didn't, but in general, his critique that the whites are shafted.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:29:19Tucker Carlson?

  And that this Israel relationship is really sick.

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  And that everyone, basically, that voted for Trump is seemingly not getting anything to ask for, right?

• 1:29:26Tucker Carlson?

  Got it, I agree with all of that. So that's all real. My only point is, people look at Fuentes and are like, oh, you're the scariest thing that could happen. Uh, no.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  Absolutely not. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:34Tucker Carlson?

  That's my point.

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  I don't know where it goes, right?

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  The energy has to go somewhere, right? This is like Newton's, Newton's, I don't know, second law, third law. I only went to high school. You tell me, Tucker. The energy must be diverted elsewhere. And a lot of young men are pissed off. I think for a lot of young men, though, they will just hibernate and jerk off and decay in their basements and their, their parents' homes. That is reality. There will be a eugenics effect. White men getting litigated or filtered out of participation in society. There will be an extinction event for sure. That's inevitable, right? But some of them might try to do something a bit more bold and revolutionary, maybe. But how does something like that even come into existence?

• 1:30:21Tucker Carlson?

  Wish I knew.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  With the surveillance state and can you even? Is the democracy the means by which my generation uplifts their quality of life? Is, is that a possibility? Because the Republicans clearly don't care. The Democrats don't care. Is there a third party alternative? What does that look like? I'm not sure.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  But the two current options are insufficient.

• 1:30:46Tucker Carlson?

  You're making me emotional.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:30:49Tucker Carlson?

  What you're saying is true.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I'm like, I mean, I think of myself as a pretty reasonable guy, right? Like I was politically illiterate in many ways. I didn't, I didn't think about this stuff. I was making goofy YouTube videos in my early twenties from eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty-one, is only till I was about twenty-two years old till I even realized all of this stuff was going on. I didn't even think really about, you know, the George Floyd stuff that much.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  But now it's unavoidable. People say, why are you making everything so political? They'll talk to their neighbors or their family members. Why is everything so political? And now it's, it's unavoidable. You, you have to consider the reality and the consequences of how your everyday life is being affected by these things. So unfortunately, everyday people have a political opinion on everything right now. And I think that's, that's a tragedy more than a blessing.

• 1:31:40Tucker Carlson?

  It's not a win.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:31:41Tucker Carlson?

  It's not a win at all.

• 1:31:44Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I'm subscribing to you. So, thank you.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:48Tucker Carlson?

  Tucker, that was awesome.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:50Tucker Carlson?

  I really, thank you for spending all this time.

• 1:31:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks for having me.

• 1:31:52Tucker Carlson?

  I appreciate it.

• 1:31:53Speaker 02

  For sure.