#2396 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a stand-up comic, actor, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Flagrant" podcast with Akaash Singh, and the "Brilliant Idiots" podcast with Charlamagne Tha God.www.theandrewschulz.comhttps://www.youtube.com/theandrewschulz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Probably gonna play something for you. You been getting into AI music at all?

• 0:16Speaker 03

  Uh, music, a little, a little, a little.

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  Listen, they're taking 50 Cent songs.

• 0:23Speaker 03

  I knew you were gonna bring that, I heard.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  You've heard "Many Men", right?

• 0:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's incredible.

• 0:27Joe Rogan?

  Have you heard "What Up Gangsta"?

• 0:28Speaker 03

  No, no, let me hear it.

• 0:28Joe Rogan?

  No, you haven't.

• 0:29Speaker 03

  The "Many Men" one is fantastic.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  The "Many Men" is amazing.

• 0:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  Hold up, hold up, before you... Hold up, he's not on.

• 0:35Speaker 03

  Oh, my bad, my bad.

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  Listen to this. You gotta hear this. You gotta hear this.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  Wait till you hear this flow.

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 1:53Joe Rogan?

  Go!

• 1:57Joe Rogan?

  Go!

• 2:00Speaker 04

  This is fantastic.

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  How much of this is like one prompt? Or is there like a guy working with a?

• 2:08Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's the answer to that, cuz Jamie's done a bunch of them.

• 2:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, like how much of this is like actually editing? And somebody who understands producing music like constantly prompt it?

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Prompt for five words.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Holy shit.

• 2:23Joe Rogan?

  Say nineteen fifty's soul music. It's so easy. And then put in the lyrics. You want a cigar? You want an early one?

• 2:29Speaker 04

  Let's, let's burn a cigar. Let's burn one down, man.

• 2:34Speaker 04

  Oh, man. Fifty.

• 2:38Speaker 04

  Fifty's the man.

• 2:38Joe Rogan?

  Let's be toxic rich dudes.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  Yes, let's do it.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  When did we start it? Have we started?

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're rolling.

• 2:46Speaker 04

  We're rolling?

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  We're rolling.

• 2:47Speaker 04

  Are these your, yours personal ones?

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  No, these are um, from Foundation cigars. These are uh, I don't know what they're called, but these are fucking legit.

• 2:58Joe Rogan?

  My man.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  What happened to yours?

• 3:00Joe Rogan?

  I still have those.

• 3:01Speaker 04

  Those are nice.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those are great.

• 3:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, we got a nice little box right here.

• 3:04Joe Rogan?

  I just opened this box the other day, they're...

• 3:06Speaker 04

  Nice. Foundation.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  Where are these from?

• 3:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh, probably Nicaragua, I think that's where he's got his thing.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  I got you. What's the rules on that?

• 3:21Joe Rogan?

  About Nicaragua?

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Uh-uh.

• 3:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 3:28Joe Rogan?

  It's like a man taking you shopping.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Your fifty's saying that about you?

• 3:37Speaker 04

  What are you gonna take me shopping for?

• 3:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  And then he looked at Meek Mill's post and they were wearing the same shirt? And with Diddy and Meek were wearing the same shirt, he's like, see that's why I don't let him take me shopping.

• 3:48Speaker 04

  Fifty's so funny.

• 3:49Joe Rogan?

  But you realize how good his lyrics are when you can run through AI? Like you revisit the lyrics, like the Many Men lyrics are fantastic.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Many Men song, it, it almost works better.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 4:00Speaker 04

  It's like a, what is that, like fifty's?

• 4:02Joe Rogan?

  Soul.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Soul, yeah.

• 4:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, if that dude was a real dude, he would be the biggest fucking artist on earth right now. If that was his song, if it wasn't written by Fifty, it was his song, and he put it out right now, everybody'd be like, oh my god.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Who the fuck is this guy?

• 4:19Joe Rogan?

  Who the fuck is this guy?

• 4:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:20Joe Rogan?

  You just picture him looking like... Just perfect, like, Cat Williams-type suit onstage, you know, just going off, sweating, wiping his head with a towel, full blast.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, just like Southern Deacon.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  Fucking 9,000 RPMs. Bam! What up, blood?

• 4:41Speaker 04

  I just love the idea of, like, you working out to 50 Soul, 50 Cent.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I do. I do all the time, yeah. Yeah, working in there with Wu-Tang.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  With Wu-Tang.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  Wu-Tang's my favorite workout music. Yeah, Big Daddy Kane, yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, you like all that, like...

• 4:55Joe Rogan?

  Eric B. and Rakim.

• 4:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Coogee Rap.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Have you ever talked to, uh, do you ever listen to EPMD?

• 5:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fuck yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 04

  You ever talked to, like, Eric Sermon?

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  No, never have. No, never have.

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  I love those guys.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  I can't believe you and 50 have never connected. Like, I know everybody...

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  I met him once. I interviewed him, uh, for UFC, a long time ago.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Where?

• 5:13Joe Rogan?

  Um, I don't remember. Might have been Vegas. It was a UFC event in Vegas, and he was there. I don't know if he was releasing something or whatever it was. I sat next to him and...

• 5:22Speaker 04

  That shit is harsh.

• 5:23Joe Rogan?

  It's good, right?

• 5:24Speaker 04

  That's a good one, but that's a strong one.

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  It's a Maduro.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:27Joe Rogan?

  I like them robust.

• 5:29Speaker 04

  I bet. Yeah. I'm glad I lit my own.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Okay, wait. So, wait, you met him, you were at the UFC fight, and you spoke to him?

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was a UFC event.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  This is how long ago?

• 5:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a long time ago, man. I had hair, so it had to be pretty... There it is, right there.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  Oh, so this is, like, when he's in the middle of his stuff with...

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I mean, I gotta say, this is probably 2007 or something like that.

• 5:56Joe Rogan?

  But he was always involved with something. He was always beefing with somebody.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was the funniest thing, because when I, when we were in, uh, he's in that Street Fighter movie, so when we were in Australia filming, like, I saw the guys with him, and, like, I recognized, like, a couple, like, it was his security, but they didn't look like, like, one guy looked like actual professional security. And I was like, I was like, oh, that's, that's, that guy looks like that's his real job, being security, not what I'm used to seeing 50 with.

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  And, uh, he goes, "Yeah, man, can't get in the country with felonies, bro. I had to bring the clean ones." So like the real people that he has around.

• 6:30Joe Rogan?

  Wow, he had to bring clean security.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  Clean security, professionals. There's different levels of professionals, you know?

• 6:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's people that know things. Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 04

  Sometimes you go to like a city or state and you need to know those things.

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  You need to know things.

• 6:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:45Joe Rogan?

  Some people need to know things. Sometimes you gotta check in with folks, you know? That's the thing.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  Your guys are the best at it. Your guys hit me up, just they're like, "Yeah, there's some crazy chick online. She says she wants to kill you, so just don't go to New Mexico." And I was like, "All right, bet, I won't do that." They're like, "She said she wanted to kill somebody else." I don't even say their names, I don't want to get him in a heap, but like, "Yeah, as long as you don't go to New Mexico, it should be good." And I'm like, "All right, no plans."

• 7:08Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's wild times. Wild times.

• 7:15Joe Rogan?

  Wild times when people celebrate people getting killed now. Like, that never happened before. Like, even when someone bad got killed before, you're like, "Oh, wow, that's kinda crazy."

• 7:24Speaker 04

  I've been thinking a lot about this.

• 7:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 7:26Speaker 04

  And I think that like, I don't think we all exist in the same reality anymore. Not on some multiverse shit, but like, just like how...

• 7:34Joe Rogan?

  How we see the world.

• 7:34Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 7:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  And it's like, especially with Charlie's death, because I was in Australia when it happened, so like, I had time. Like, I wasn't doing pods, I wasn't doing stand-up, I'm just like sitting around in a trailer on to this movie. So I started watching like a bunch of his stuff. Also, I want to say he did something really cool. Like, I didn't really know him, but like, you DM'd a couple times, but he saw a headline about me once, and he DM'd me. And like, I don't even have a relationship with this guy. He goes, "This headline looks a little weird. Like, I know we don't really know each other, but like, is this what you meant?"

• 8:04Speaker 04

  And like, there are people who I know that I've considered colleagues that haven't even afforded that to me. They just ran with a headline and like made a video, got clicks, views or whatever like that.

• 8:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  This guy I don't even know hits me up and goes, "Is this what you meant?"

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• 10:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, very cool.

• 10:55Joe Rogan?

  I met him once at a gun range. Oh, really? Yeah, I met him at Taran Tactical. So I was down there training. You know, do you know what? This is the one where you see like a lot of like? Yes. The one where you see celebs. He trained Keanu Reeves for John Wick. He's the man. Like Taran Butler is like a multiple time world champion shooter of those, you know, the events that they have? Where it's timed or a shooter ready? Deed! Yeah. Um, so I met him there. He seemed like a real nice guy. You know? I didn't know anything about him back then. I didn't know much about his beliefs and views that were controversial until after he got killed. And then people started sending me stuff and I was like, okay. What's the context of this?

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he shouldn't have said it that way. There was, there was some ones that we've talked about before. Um, one specifically. You know, but it look, the fucking guy, first of all, was 31 years old. All right, when I was 31, thank God, there wasn't like Twitter. Or especially when I was 21. Oh my God, thank God. Yeah. Thank God. You know, judging like that, that's all like that Nick Fuentes kid. He's like 26, like thank God. It didn't exist when I was fucking 21. Dude, yeah. I was a fucking moron. I was a complete moron, like most people, especially if you grow up around morons. Yeah. But, um, I think he, he said a few things that if I was his friend, I would say, don't say it like that.

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  I know what you're trying to say. Yeah. But don't ever say. When I go into a cockpit, I hope that the pilot, if he's black, is qualified. I know what you're trying to say. You shouldn't hire underqualified pilots.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:37Joe Rogan?

  But saying it like that.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Just because of the color of their skin.

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  He's probably not hanging out with black people, not knowing how offensive that's gonna be.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  For them, how you gotta go, "That's not what I meant." Like, you gotta, you gotta, "That's not what I meant before you say it."

• 12:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:48Joe Rogan?

  You gotta run it through the filter, like, "What am I trying to say?"

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:52Joe Rogan?

  "We all don't want unqualified people to do dangerous fucking jobs, period." Doesn't matter what race they are. If all of a sudden, white people became a minority and they had to start hiring dopey whites.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  We'd be upset. And he makes that argument a lot. Like, he makes it with sports. You know, he's like, "All right, if the NFL is gonna be 50% black and, you know, like..." So, but again, like, the context is taken out.

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  And I think that's what happened. Like, the, the algorithm flattens all of us into a two-dimensional person. And like, only the views that tap into, you know, your biggest insecurities, your biggest fears. Not the views, only like, the, the, the lines we say or the videos, whatever that tap into those things.

• 13:29Joe Rogan?

  Or what terrible things you want confirmed.

• 13:30Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. Things you won't confirm. Like, that's what the algorithm does. And like, I realized it when I was doing like, a promo tour for, for Life, my last special, right? I would go on a couple pods that like, and like, maybe like 10, 15, 20 minutes into the conversation, they, I would realize like, "Oh, wow, they have a very different view of me than me."

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  The New York Times one.

• 13:56Speaker 04

  No, well, the New York Times one, I was like, expecting it for sure. But even when I went on Dax's podcast. Dax knew me, but his, uh, his co-host, I was like, "Oh, she has an idea of me that's like, cultivated by the internet and headlines."

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  Cartoonish.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  Exactly. And it's just a flattened version, right? It's like, there's really no humanity in it. It's just, these are the things that people are saying that I'm saying with no context.

• 14:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  And then you just create an archetype. And like, I think in a lot of ways, that's the Charlie thing to the furthest extreme, right? It's just like, if you're on the right, there's one version of Charlie. If you're on the left, there's another version of Charlie.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  And... When he died, this person that you saw is like a good, God-fearing man, you're like heartbroken by it. And then on the left, this person you saw that was like bigoted or hateful, you're like, okay, I'm not really heartbroken by it. Some people even crazy enough to be like, he deserved it, or this is what you get, right? But they can only have that feeling if he's completely dehumanized the version of him that they see all the time. That happens to you, it happens to me, it happens to like anybody who's on the internet talking, you know, for a few hours a week. And when I saw that shit, and especially I saw like that, this visceral reaction to Charlie, that's what sows the insanity in the country because the people on the left are seeing the people on the right be heartbroken, but they're like, why are you heartbroken over this guy who's a bigot?

• 15:16Speaker 04

  And the people on the right are seeing the people on the left celebrating, they're like, why are you celebrating the death of this God-fearing family man? And both sides just think each other's absolutely insane. When in reality, he's neither of those cartoons.

• 15:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  Right?

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  So, I was just, the life thing, when I was talking to those people, I was like, you know, 20 or 30 minutes in the conversation, they're like, "Oh wow, like, yeah, you're not kind of who I thought you were."

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  And I'm like, "Yeah, because you let people, you let people tell you who I was in 30-second clips." It's not like I have four hours of podcasting every single week that you can indulge in to figure it out.

• 15:52Joe Rogan?

  What do they try to label you as? Like, what is the, what's the angle they take on you? Is it you're part of the manosphere? Oh, you're heterosexual, that's a problem.

• 16:01Speaker 04

  And I hate it.

• 16:02Joe Rogan?

  Heterosexual's a real problem in this day and age.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, no, it's, uh, yeah, I think that like,

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  Manosphere, Podcast Bros.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  Rogan-verse, like manosphere, like, and I think that this is kind of a new iteration post-election. So I think what a lot of people are struggling with the fact is, they're trying to like find a way that the Democrats lost the election without taking any accountability for like what they were doing. So it's like, "Oh, because he went on Rogan and Schulz and Theo's podcast." That's the reason why he won. It's like, nah, they kind of ran a dead guy that was very unpopular and then they ran a woman that can't really talk that well in front of the camera.

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  And they had an open border for four years. That freaked everybody out.

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Sure, sure, but like, out, like, in New York, people aren't really worried about the open border.

• 16:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they were. You don't think they were? I talked to a lot of people in New York that were upset about the migrants that had been shipped there, that they were putting it up in the Roosevelt Hotel.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, oh, no, no. The migrant crisis, for sure, like, New York, I think, like, affected people. I'm not saying it didn't, but like, I don't think that they attach it to the border. I think they're more just like, well, just don't send them here. You know, you know what I mean? Like, you know, just keep them down there, or whatever. Like, you guys chose to live near the borders.

• 17:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember when they sent them to Martha's Vineyard?

• 17:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, they cleaned that up real quick.

• 17:15Joe Rogan?

  They sent them to Martha's Vineyard, like, get, yeah, yeah, get the fuck out of here. They moved them out so quick. Martha's Vineyard is all liberals, bro. It's all super rich Mercedes-driving limo people.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  It's the NIMBY-ism. What is it called? Not in My Backyard?

• 17:31Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Right, that's like, and there's, you know, Ezra Klein, you know Ezra? And like, Ezra did a great piece on it. It's so funny, because like, he's trying to be reasonable right now. He's like, trying to have like-

• 17:39Joe Rogan?

  And they're calling him a right-winger.

• 17:40Speaker 04

  And I keep, and I keep hitting him up, and I'm like, "Bro, you're doing the right thing" when, when there are groups that like, hate you, because you're actually trying to like, win an election. You're trying to be reasonable. He had this whole thing about like, hey, the reason why they can build a lot of buildings in Texas and why we can't in Los Angeles is because there are restrictive laws. And people are like, "This guy's an animal."

• 18:03Speaker 04

  Like, alright, buddy, I don't know what to do. So I understand that frustration. Shit, I've felt it a million different times. Like, you try to be nuanced and reasonable. There's really no place on the internet for it, because why would the algorithm reward anything nuanced and reasonable? That's not entertaining. I want to see Nick Fuentes talk shit.

• 18:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? I don't want to see like, a thoughtful take from some like, TV host.

• 18:28Joe Rogan?

  You want Sam Hyde.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  I'll get wild, Sam. You know what I mean?

• 18:31Joe Rogan?

  Get wild.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Now, does it mean that I agree with these things?

• 18:35Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 18:35Speaker 04

  No, but the algorithm doesn't know what you agree with or not. They just know what you click on, share.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  It's part of the fun of the internet in general, is that it's not regulated. So when wild people break through, and everybody goes, "Ah!"

• 18:49Speaker 04

  Bro, what did, what was the first thing we did with Sora? You got MLK giving a speech and a Down syndrome kid walks up and goes peanut butter.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Well, how about those videos where they had like Trump playing in a band and like there was a, like Clinton was on the saxophone. Did you ever see those?

• 19:04Speaker 04

  No.

• 19:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God.

• 19:05Speaker 04

  But like

• 19:05Joe Rogan?

  They're incredible.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  We're gonna make

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  They're playing Creedence Clearwater Revival together.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  I mean, I still like it.

• 19:10Joe Rogan?

  Fortunate son.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  When the Down syndrome kid comes up and just says peanut butter.

• 19:13Joe Rogan?

  It's all good.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  It's guilt free because he's not a real person.

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  He's made up by the internet.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  You can laugh at him.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  We can laugh because it's not a real person.

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:20Speaker 04

  But uh

• 19:21Joe Rogan?

  But that brings to like, what about AI Down syndrome porn?

• 19:26Speaker 04

  The sounds would be crazy. I mean, we gotta see it just for the sounds, right?

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  Did they just announce that was, is OpenAI doing an erotica version? Peanut butter.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  No, yeah, they, they said they wouldn't censor it. They're like, it's not our job to be the moral police.

• 19:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, then it's over. Then it's Andrew Schulz porn all day long.

• 19:47Speaker 04

  Yo, so that's, so that's the crazy thing.

• 19:48Joe Rogan?

  Gay porn too, by the way.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Can they do, listen, hey, bro.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  You handsome devil.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  Hey, the mustache?

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  Isn't, it's, isn't moral police of the world after erotica chat GPT post blows up?

• 19:59Speaker 04

  So that's the thing. Can you do it? Can you make porn with us? Or can you just make it with like random?

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  100% can with you.

• 20:05Speaker 04

  With, what about you? Can't make porn with you?

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  Me too. I just want you to feel it.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  Hit me with the Spider-Man meme.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  We'll make porn with you. Do it. Get him.

• 20:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's gonna be a real problem with female celebrities and it already has been a problem. They face swapped Natalie Portman onto porn stars bodies.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  Remember they were doing, we were kids with Photoshop. The second Photoshop came out.

• 20:28Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep, yep.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  There was like tons of porn. Who's the lady that ran for president from Alaska?

• 20:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Sarah Palin.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, Sarah Palin was like every single porn video.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 20:36Speaker 04

  So, yeah, why would they not do it?

• 20:37Joe Rogan?

  They're doing it. 100%.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  But the thing is

• 20:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, the real thing, you know.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  We won't be upset as long as like we're, we're throwing it down. Like, we'll be upset if like our wives are in it.

• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, that'll be an issue.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  But if somebody makes a porn where I got like a huge cock and I'm just fucking shit up.

• 20:52Joe Rogan?

  But the problem is it's gonna be your wife getting teamed on. It won't even be like fun.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  Why are we putting these things out there in the world? Why you keep giving them ideas? The internet is a dangerous place and it always ends up with me getting fucked.

• 21:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the world's dark right now with this because there's no rules and people are just, it's sort of like if you gave the world matches for the first time. And they're like, I could just start a fire.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Do you think they did that initially when they created fire? They're like, we need some rules for this shit.

• 21:21Joe Rogan?

  I think they for sure should. I mean, I thought about that before.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  Was that like the original gun control?

• 21:27Joe Rogan?

  How weird is it that I don't even have to have a license to have one of the most powerful forces in the world upon my hand and I could be six?

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Okay. Imagine after the Chicago fire, right? Like eighty percent of the city is decimated. I don't even know what year that is. Probably eighteen hundreds or something like that.

• 21:42Joe Rogan?

  Did they say, hmm, maybe we gotta take matches away from these motherfuckers?

• 21:45Speaker 04

  Or like fireplaces or some shit like?

• 21:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  I bet they didn't let you build a house out of wood anymore.

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  All houses are made out of wood.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, but we need concrete or something like we need another building.

• 21:55Joe Rogan?

  They did that.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  Why'd they do it?

• 21:57Joe Rogan?

  Probably for structural rigidity and um like from the cold, it's better. If you have like, I would, I would imagine there's a bunch of reasons to make something out of brick. It's more, it's hard to get into.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  Well, I imagine you made it out of-

• 22:12Joe Rogan?

  It won't light on fire. Concrete is.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:15Joe Rogan?

  They, I mean, they're making, by the way, they probably should have did this a long time ago, but they're, they're making fireproof houses now in like Malibu and places like that. Rich people.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  Like you would imagine like if you're living in a place that like, once the fire hits, no one's stopping shit.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  So.

• 22:31Joe Rogan?

  You know, they just busted somebody for that?

• 22:33Speaker 04

  I know, I saw that. Like the person who started the fire.

• 22:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  It wasn't in Palisades, it was like the one that connected to it or something like that?

• 22:40Joe Rogan?

  Something like that. But this dude was like really into fires. Like he, he had a bunch of chat GPT prompts about fires and-

• 22:47Speaker 04

  That's an interesting autism right there.

• 22:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird one, man.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  You could have had trains or dinosaurs, but.

• 22:52Joe Rogan?

  He got fires.

• 22:53Speaker 04

  Fires, bro.

• 22:55Joe Rogan?

  There was one guy where they arrested, he had a fake fire truck and he was at the Palisades fire. He was a convicted arsonist.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  How much Tylenol your mom take that you end up wanting a fake fire truck?

• 23:07Joe Rogan?

  He bought a fire truck.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Oh, so a real fire truck?

• 23:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he bought a fire truck, painted the logo on it, whatever, and then drove it to the Palisades where the fires were.

• 23:16Speaker 04

  Oh, and they started the fires, but nobody suspected it?

• 23:18Joe Rogan?

  They don't know if he started fires, they don't know.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:21Joe Rogan?

  But they do know that this arsonist was at the fires with a fire truck. And they're like, you're not a fireman, dude. In fact, you're the opposite of a fireman.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  That's why it's kinda, it's, it's like a brilliant disguise.

• 23:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, in the middle of the chaos, you know, Huberman filmed a bunch of guys lighting fires. He said it was nuts. He said there was like teams of people running around, starting fires while the fires were going on.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  He said he watched people do it. People were screaming at him and honking their horn. They arrested people that were doing it. So once chaos break- it's like, they did a study a while back where they parked a car on the campus of Stanford. And they parked a car, I think it was in the Bronx. The car in the Bronx got stripped immediately. They, they had families coming in, taking the battery and like openly. They had cameras on it.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  The, the car in Stanford didn't get fucked with at all. They left it alone. Until someone broke, they said, let's just mix this up and break one of the windows. So they smashed the window and then within a day, it was like stripped apart.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. The guy that was going in, they caught him at a checkpoint, but I think they're alluding that he was probably gonna go try to rob the houses. Cause there was a bunch of tools that they say were used in burglaries.

• 24:42Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Well, he's probably trying to do that too. I mean, he's a piece of shit. But wasn't he already um, an arsonist before this?

• 24:50Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's just an all around piece of shit. It's not like, hey, I'm an arsonist, but I'm not a fucking thief.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a hierarchy.

• 24:58Joe Rogan?

  Come on. I saw people just running out of people's houses with TVs, like people were filming it from the street.

• 25:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:06Joe Rogan?

  Just breaking in, kicking the door in, just running in, teams of people with masks on.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, robbing somebody's personal home feels different. I mean, it's fucked up to just break into a Kmart or any of those things like, but you see how like a little bit. You can get caught up in like a, I don't know, I don't wanna call it the excitement, but like, you know, you're a little fucking kid and something's going down. You're like, alright, let's get after it.

• 25:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  But like bringing to somebody's home is a little.

• 25:30Joe Rogan?

  It's horrible.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  It's evil.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, cause there's like a person behind it, whereas like Kmart is like his corporation.

• 25:35Joe Rogan?

  Also, they're always gonna know you were in their home.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  Hmm, like for the rest of their life. Like they live with that trauma.

• 25:41Joe Rogan?

  As long as they're back in that house, they're gonna know that when the fires broke out, you kicked in their front door and ransacked their house. And now they're sitting in it. If the house didn't burn down, now they're sitting in the house. The house probably burned down.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  Which is, I guess their logic is like, get in there now, otherwise there's gonna be a puddle of shit on the ground instead of a Rolex. Let's go get it.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:01Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 26:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's crazy how, like the fires weren't even that long ago.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  I know. Wasn't that long ago, but they haven't even touched a house. Adam Carolla just did a video about it.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  What'd he say?

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  First of all, he called it. Carolla called it a long time ago because Carolla's been involved in construction his whole life.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:18Joe Rogan?

  So he knows how hard it is to get permits to build in the Palisades. It's like, no one is going to rebuild.

• 26:24Speaker 04

  This is...

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  But they haven't even touched it.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I think they just said that they're gonna start like stripping back some of that legislation.

• 26:31Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. They're gonna start putting low-income housing up there.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  This is what happened with, I think it was in like, I think it was in Philadelphia, right? I think it was, there was like a bridge that collapsed. You remember this? Was this in Philly, Pennsylvania? And I think the governor was like, okay, we have to rebuild this because obviously there's gonna be like huge traffic situations. Like, we just, we need this thing. This is just how humans are gonna kind of get around. And so they stripped all legislation. And they were able to put it up in a matter of weeks, if I'm not mistaken. Jamie, you know what I'm talking about?

• 27:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I remember that story. I remember something...

• 27:04Speaker 04

  How long would this take if we didn't strip all the legislation? They're like 16 to 18 months. So you did it in three weeks compared to 16 and 18 months. And I think this is where people get frustrated with all the bureaucracy and the red tape. Now, I also believe in some red tape. Like, I live in New York City. There's somebody renovating above us right now. I got a kid. You know what I mean? So it's like, I would like a little red tape to make sure they're just not hammering 24 hours a day.

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  We live on top of each other. You live in Texas, there's probably, you don't even see your neighbor. You could have a little less red tape.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  But then we get to the point in New York where it's like, okay, is it impossible to renovate ever? Maybe that's too much. But there needs to be some in different situations.

• 27:47Joe Rogan?

  100%. I completely agree. I got in a conversation about that a long time ago with Dave Rubin, where we were talking about regulations for construction sites, that you don't, you don't need inspectors. And I was like, oh my god.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's... Bro, they'll put, they'll put the cancer in the kids cereal.

• 28:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't give a fuck.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  Like, if you don't regulate the food, they'll put anything in it.

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's-

• 28:10Speaker 04

  So you need to have somebody looking after this shit.

• 28:13Joe Rogan?

  It's in it right now. This is this RFK Junior shit, where they're turning him into a quack, and these companies are gonna go under if they have to follow these regulations. They're following them already in Canada.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  Exactly, it's like-

• 28:23Joe Rogan?

  Same factory, same Fruit Loops.

• 28:25Speaker 04

  And now we gotta feel bad for Kellogg's.

• 28:27Joe Rogan?

  Hoo!

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Right? We're like, "Oh my god, they're not gonna make it, poor Kellogg's."

• 28:30Joe Rogan?

  Didn't, um, Newsom just veto a bill-

• 28:34Speaker 04

  Your boy!

• 28:35Joe Rogan?

  -that would stop forever chemicals? There was a bill that would stop forever chemicals being used on, I think, cook- cooking utensils? Like, there's certain, like, non-stick cookware that has forever chemicals on it, and you're scraping it with like a metal spatula, it'll probably get in your diet.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:50Joe Rogan?

  Not good.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:51Joe Rogan?

  I think he, they were banning it, so-

• 28:52Speaker 04

  Why would he do that?

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  And I think he vetoed it, yeah. He vetoed a California bill banning cookware with PFAS's forever chemicals. Says the bill would cause sudden product shift, sparking debate amongst chefs, lawmakers, and environmentalists. No, no, the bill stops poison, bro. The bill stops poison for going into human bodies.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  You profit monster.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, did you-

• 29:15Joe Rogan?

  You fucking profit monster.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Did you, did you see, uh, there's a, there's a guy named Van, Van Lathan was asking him about AIPAC, did you see this? He just says something-

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  It's just, it's just, it's just interesting.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  What's interesting about it?

• 29:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's not something I, you know-

• 29:29Speaker 04

  I don't think about it.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't, it's, uh-

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Think about it.

• 29:32Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. It's interesting. Like, what the fuck did you just say?

• 29:37Speaker 04

  I'm interested, why are you interested?

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  Now I'm interested, now I'm interested.

• 29:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, when is he coming on?

• 29:42Joe Rogan?

  Ah!

• 29:43Speaker 04

  He's talking some shit on Twitter.

• 29:45Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's a lot, like, you think that's gonna work? Like, that's so stupid. Like, this is such a bad look. It's such a bad choice.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  There's a little desperation in it.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  But it's just stupid. It's like, this is a bad strategy. Like, I probably would have had him on.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  But now I'm like, nah, what are you doing?

• 30:01Speaker 04

  There is fun version where you just do it and cook them. You know.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  He'll cook himself.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  I mean, that seems to be already happening.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  All you have to do is just ask him questions.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, why are people leaving?

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  Why do you say this thing all the time where you rattle off all the good things about California? When anybody says something bad about California, he's like, number one in Fortune 500 companies, number one in higher education, number one. It was all that shit before you were there. It was all that shit forever. It's because the weather's perfect, man. It has nothing to do with you.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  California is an unbelievable state.

• 30:31Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  This is just what we have to call, it's like the.

• 30:33Joe Rogan?

  Mountains and the ocean's two hours apart.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  It's unbelievable.

• 30:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  It's, it's probably, in terms of like one place, if you had to live in one state for the rest of your life, one state for the rest of your life, you could never move, and that was the only place you could live. It's Cal, it's California. It's like, not even a question.

• 30:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's perfect.

• 30:52Speaker 04

  If you want snow, you can have snow.

• 30:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 04

  If you want to be in San Diego on the beach all day, you have the San Diego, the beach. You could surf, you could snow, but you could do whatever the fuck you want. You want to be a farmer, go farm.

• 31:00Joe Rogan?

  All kinds of parts of San Francisco, all kinds of parts of Oakland, all kinds of parts of, you know, the San Fernando Valley. It's so, it's so different. It's like, there's so many different ways you can live in California.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  But there are fucking problems and people are leaving. Like, if people are leaving the place you're in charge of, don't be upset if people are critical of how you've been managing it.

• 31:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:21Speaker 04

  Like Hollywood, I, I've been talking to like people who are making films, like the producers of films. Not like the actors, right? Like the actual people who are putting the money up to make films, right? Because they'll give you the reel.

• 31:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  Like, we're filming in Australia. I'm like, guys, why the fuck are we filming in Australia? Like, Australia's nice, but why the fuck are we here? And they're like, you can't make a movie in Hollywood. I go, what do you mean you can't make a movie? They go, you can't. I go, where was Hollywood on the list of places we could film? I go, give me the number. And they're like, not even top 10. Not even top 10.

• 31:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  It's, it was Australia, you get 60% off in taxes, or something like that.

• 31:58Joe Rogan?

  60?

• 31:59Speaker 04

  60. We're talking about, if you're making like a $10 million rom-com, that's one thing. If you're making a $100 million, $200 million film, 60% off in taxes?

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  So, something's happened at LA, and it's fucked up because I look at LA kind of like a college football town, but college football is the film industry.

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  And it's like, if you don't nurture that, I'm not worried about the actors. It's like, there's guys who do the lighting. They do transpo. These are guys who are like, they're like working class guys. They make good money, don't get me wrong. That goes away. The crew that came out to film, like a lot of the crew that came out to film in Australia was from LA. And a lot of them had moved out of LA, they moved to like San Diego, like my boy Nick. Was AD, he's like, "Yeah, there's just no work in LA right now, so we'll travel for the job and then I just live the rest of my time in San Diego." That's a problem. Netflix just built this like billion dollar fucking studio in Jersey, did you see this?

• 32:52Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  So like, they're gonna start taking production over there. I'm just saying like, you have the industry that everybody knows Los Angeles for. What other thing do we know LA for?

• 33:03Joe Rogan?

  That's it. It's being famous. Music, movies. Yeah, it's all LA. That's all LA is.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  I don't even know what music is coming out of there anymore. Like when we were kids, you think about like, what those iconic like rock and roll venues.

• 33:16Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, it's also a town of lost children, right? Like, one of the problems with LA is, like, if you wanted to talk about a town that doesn't have, like, an emotional base that's healthy, like, the main motivation of a good percentage of the people that came out there is to just to get attention to make up for a shitty childhood. Like, that's the main, the main population.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  LA is, is attention to make up for a shitty childhood, New York is money to make up for a shitty childhood.

• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  Yes!

• 33:50Speaker 04

  That's really what it is.

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  Yes!

• 33:52Speaker 04

  It's like, New York is the hedge funds of the banks, cause it's like, "Okay, my dad wasn't around, my mom hated me, but I'm gonna make a billion dollars."

• 34:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my mom was on pills and barely there and, you know.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  I've developed enough sociopathy where I can be this fucking hedge fund guy that's gonna take over the world, that's what they believe. And then LA's the same thing, but it's just pats on the back, I want people to love me.

• 34:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's both, two different versions of American Psycho.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm trying to wonder like, which one is worse? Like.

• 34:22Joe Rogan?

  New York is better because at least they have more information. They have more things they can talk to you about.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  What I say, yeah, what I always say about New York is like, uh, we still, we still appreciate greatness, even if you're not, even if you're not wealthy. So like, the best skateboarder is really cool in New York.

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  The best street artist is really cool.

• 34:42Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  Whereas I think LA, because it's built around the entertainment industry, it's like, whatever's hot. You could have a dogshit movie, but if it's the biggest movie, you're the guy.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  And because there is that dependence on like star power over there.

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  Where I think is, New York is like, the kind of dependence is the banks. Like, the industry doesn't rely, so like, we get to masquerade as like, really enjoying artists.

• 35:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, like, you could be a bad motherfucker and be playing in like subway tunnels.

• 35:09Speaker 04

  And people like, yo, this guy's the best.

• 35:11Joe Rogan?

  And some guys do, like, make it out of there like that. Like Charlie Crockett.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Busking, I believe is called?

• 35:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, Charlie Crockett used to just pull up and start playing. You don't know who Charlie Crockett is?

• 35:21Speaker 04

  Do they do a 50s version of his music?

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 35:24Speaker 04

  That's the only way I know.

• 35:25Joe Rogan?

  No, he's, he does like a 50s version of his music.

• 35:28Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 35:28Joe Rogan?

  He's like a, a country guy who was a street kid.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 35:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  My bad, my bad, Charlie.

• 35:34Joe Rogan?

  He's a bad motherfucker.

• 35:36Speaker 04

  My bad, Charlie.

• 35:36Joe Rogan?

  He's really good, man.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  I was not familiar with your game.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  He's got a voice where you're like, oh, this guy's seen some shit.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 35:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His, so he used to.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  This is fire.

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  He would sing on fucking subway cars. He would sing, you know, in the tunnels.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:53Joe Rogan?

  He would do his shit on street corners. He was like homeless for a long time.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:58Joe Rogan?

  And now he's killing it.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:59Joe Rogan?

  Very, very interesting guy. But that's New York, right? He was in New York doing country music outside.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:06Joe Rogan?

  You can do some stuff like that in New York and people are like, look at this bad motherfucker.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  That's the thing.

• 36:10Joe Rogan?

  You do it in LA, they're like, you fucking loser, you're never gonna be Bruce Springsteen. They're like, whatever it is.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  They don't care about the best pool player in LA.

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  But New York, there's like a little bubble that you could exist in, where you're like the king of the fucking castle.

• 36:25Joe Rogan?

  True. LA has no pool halls.

• 36:27Speaker 04

  And it's just like another version. It's like, everything is geared around entertainment. And I get it, that's it. It's like, if you're the coach of the football team in Ohio State, like, you're the guy.

• 36:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  But, I think it's kinda cool in New York that you have these little bubbles where, you know, people really value this niche thing that you do.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, New York has strong communities of bubbles, right? Like, the pool thing is a good example, because LA at one time had Hollywood billiards, which was a 24-hour pool hall that was filled with hustlers. It was like a notorious place. Like, if you were a New York pool player and you were coming to LA, you went to Hollywood, and you, you went downstairs, and there was all these like, you could get a game. And you could get a game with some fucking killers.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  Every pool hall is a state, bro. It's underground.

• 37:11Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  It's like, at least back where I'm.

• 37:13Joe Rogan?

  That was Chelsea. Chelsea billiards was underground too, like, some of the big, that was in New York City.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  And then the one up on 86th was at, uh, I think at one point it was Amsterdam, but it was upstairs. And then there was another one on 86th Street on the east side that was downstairs.

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. The downstairs one's probably shiftier.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  That was the one that, uh, Nicky Schulman, the guy I was telling you about that I went to middle school with, in elementary school.

• 37:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he would go to that one?

• 37:34Speaker 04

  That's what, we would just go during lunch. And I was like, why is this guy like this place?

• 37:37Joe Rogan?

  There was hundreds of pool halls in the, the 90s when I lived in New York. Hundreds. You'd go to these like 24-hour Chinese joints.

• 37:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:45Joe Rogan?

  You'd go in Chinatown, there was killer players, and they could barely speak English. You, but, but my point is, LA only had one.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  My boy, my boy, this Chinese kid, we called him Cowboy. We went to, uh, he was, he was at our school. I mean, like, the kid had the strongest Chinese accent. I think he was born in America. It was crazy. It was like, it's like, as I didn't even understand. I was like, this guy's gotta be putting it on. He lived in like, the Chinese version of like, the projects in Chinatown, right? And, he had a pool table in his apartment.

• 38:16Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  There was no room in the apartment. It's the projects, right? Like, I'm watching his mom, like, skirt around the pool table. Half the shots you can't even do, but like, the obsession was unreal. And cowboy was legit.

• 38:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you need a place to practice in the dark when no one's looking.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:32Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing about pool players.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Wait, why is that?

• 38:34Joe Rogan?

  You wanna get good when no one's watching, so you can sneak up on people.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

• 38:38Joe Rogan?

  So they have this idea how good you play, but you play a lot better than that.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:41Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be able to practice in silence.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. But now with the internet, you can't hustle anymore. I feel like...

• 38:46Joe Rogan?

  No, there's no hustling anymore.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  I was...

• 38:47Joe Rogan?

  There's like, maybe a few guys that could pull it off on idiots, but amongst high-level guys,

• 38:53Speaker 04

  Everybody knows.

• 38:53Joe Rogan?

  You're... All the action is knocked. My point was, there's only one place in all of LA.

• 38:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:59Joe Rogan?

  LA had 20 million people. There was one place that was pretty good.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:03Joe Rogan?

  There was a... There was a place in, um, the valley. There was a couple places in like, when you start going out towards Santa Barbara, I'll tell you that. There was a few places. But as far as like, the volume of New York City, it was not even close.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:19Joe Rogan?

  It was New York, Connecticut, New Jersey. They were all filled with legendary pool hall. We used to play at West End Billiards in, uh, New Jersey. They had a weekly tournament with like, pros. It was in Elizabeth, New Jersey.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:31Joe Rogan?

  Super sketchy area. Super sketchy. But you would go there and you'd see Steve Misery playing Rodney Morris, two world-class, world championship-level pool players.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:44Joe Rogan?

  In this shitty-ass fucking weird spot with a diner counter there. It was... It was... They were everywhere.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  It's a cool world, the pool world.

• 39:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a great world.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  I remember I was here, forget when it was, but like, you had a guy down here. I don't know if he just did the pod, but he was like, an OG. And I think he like, commentates maybe now, but...

• 40:05Joe Rogan?

  Jeremy Jones.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Jeremy Jones.

• 40:07Joe Rogan?

  That's my boy, yeah.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  And, uh, he could hold court. Like, he was like...

• 40:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's a funny dude.

• 40:11Speaker 04

  He's a storyteller.

• 40:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a funny dude. He's got... He was on the podcast, too. He's got some great fucking stories.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was cool talking about it.

• 40:17Joe Rogan?

  That dude won the US Open. The US Open's the pool tournament.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:22Joe Rogan?

  Where it's the US Open where people come from everywhere.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:25Joe Rogan?

  Like... People come from all around the world, Taiwan, Germany, all over the place to play in that tournament. That's the big one. Jeremy won that shit. He won that shit. That's how good he plays.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Hearing his stories about like going, like being like essentially like a traveling pool hustler. And like popping into a town where you heard there was some game and you travel with like a couple other people. One guy would like sense it out. He would go play a couple of games, see who's there. And then Jeremy would just come in and just clean up for two weeks straight. And then you're out of there.

• 40:54Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  It is.

• 40:55Joe Rogan?

  And you play like you suck at first.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  At first, that's right. Yeah. The first week you just let people beat up on you a little bit. And then the second week, you eat their lunch.

• 41:03Joe Rogan?

  Depends on how thick your bankroll is, you know, like if you could start off like just you only got like a hundred and fifty to lose. You know, like you have your gambling money and like what can we fuck with before we start getting into real money? Cause if you want to get somebody on the hook, you don't want to get them on the hook for a hundred dollars. You want to get them on the hook for five thousand.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  Hook means you want them to have the confidence that they'll beat you?

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, when they're on the hook is when they're fucked, right? So, so you let them win a few games and then you say, let's bet some fucking real money. And you know, you look nervous and shit and then you you get a game for five thousand dollars. You're like, okay, here we go. And then you loosen up, then all of a sudden the stroke is smooth and he's like, what the fuck happened?

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Midway through that game when someone realizes they're being hustled.

• 41:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they get mad. I've been there. I've been there. Not with me. I was never good enough to hustle people. But my friend Johnny was a professional pool hustler. My friend Johnny was a homeless guy.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  Not the guy from Connecticut?

• 41:59Joe Rogan?

  No, that's Tommy. That's Tommy. Tommy was different. Tommy wasn't as crazy as Johnny. Like Tommy's clean and sober. He has been like, he smokes a little weed, but like his whole life, he never drank, never did drugs. And he was an elite pool player. But Johnny was the, Johnny actually used to play at the subways too. He used to go downstairs. He was a musician. So he would, he would had a little keyboard and shit. That's one of the ways that he made money. But he would hustle people. That's how I met him. He tried to hustle me. Yeah, he just comes over and he starts, you know, talking like, dude, you play pretty good. You want to play some? And I was like, what? What are you talking about, man?

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Did you have the defenses up like?

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  Right away. I knew. I could smell a predator. I was like, get the fuck out of here.

• 42:42Joe Rogan?

  We became friends.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  So he, so he sees it. Do you respect the hustle?

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  Okay, so within pool, someone trying to hustle you, it's not seen as, it's not seen as like, um, an act of aggression at all?

• 42:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  It's just like, this is part of the game.

• 42:55Joe Rogan?

  Part of the, part of the fun.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:57Joe Rogan?

  It's part of the fun.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  Oh, so you almost appreciate when someone's trying to...

• 43:00Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent, cuz you, you don't know. Like, is this guy fucking with me? You play goo- do you play good? And you don't know. Did you ever see the movie The Color of Money?

• 43:08Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  Uh, there's a scene where...

• 43:10Speaker 04

  What was it, uh?

• 43:11Joe Rogan?

  Paul Newman and Forrest Whitaker. Forrest Whitaker hustles Paul Newman.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, and he, at one point in time, Paul Newman goes, "Are you a hustler? Are you a hustler?" Because Paul Newman, in the movie The Hustler, was the guy who did that to other people. He pretended he sucked.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:28Joe Rogan?

  And then he would eventually get all their money.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:30Joe Rogan?

  And he goes, uh, and Forrest Whitaker looks at him and goes, "What, you wanna quit?" "Ay!" He goes, "You can quit." And he's like, "Fuck you." He's like, "All right, let's go." And then he's, he's got him on the hook cuz he's better than him. And Paul Newman has to realize, "Oh, my god, this young guy is better than me."

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:47Joe Rogan?

  And he's stealing my money. And at the end, he asks him a question. He goes, "Can I ask you a question? Do you think I need to lose some weight?" And he just smiles at him, and he just walks off. Because, you know, Forrest Whitaker is fat.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:58Joe Rogan?

  You know, he just smiled at him, and he just peels the hundreds off the table and leaves. Oh, oh. That's part of the fun. Part of the fun is like, maybe you're gonna get got. But it can only happen in two ways. If you are naive, or if you suck. Because if you're the best, you can't get hustled.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say is like, uh, in, in just regular life, if somebody was trying to hustle me, I'd be like, "Fuck you, you're an asshole."

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  But there's a different, it's almost like prison rules. Like, there's a different set of rules. Like, being racist is wrong in regular life. And then everybody goes into prison, it's like, "All right, we're gonna divide this thing up a little bit." You know?

• 44:37Speaker 04

  We're gonna throw it back to the 1800s.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  And it's just like, I don't even know if they look at it as hateful. I think they're like, this is just what we gotta do to make it through. I assume that's kinda more or less what it is. I'm sure there's hateful guys within it, yes. But like, so, so I just, I just find it interesting when people have different rule sets that they operate within society.

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  And I feel like this is one of them where a guy's coming over to essentially steal your money, but you understand that the game is that. So you're like, okay, I'm gonna let you like riz me up a little bit. Like, I'm gonna let you fake charm me and I might actually get you over. And there's no animosity between the sharks.

• 45:16Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen two elite pool players talk about the game, about like setting up a game? They're like, I don't know, I haven't been playing.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:23Joe Rogan?

  I haven't been hitting balls, you know, I'm not really, I can't give you any weight, man. I'm just not playing that good.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  Weight is like a...

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  Weight is like a spot.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:31Joe Rogan?

  So like if nine ball, so like if you and I were playing nine ball and you were kinda good, I'd say, look, I'll give you the eight ball. Which means you could win by pocketing the eight ball or the nine ball. It way increases your ability to win the game. Cause you can make combinations, you could luck in the eight ball, luck in the nine. And I would say it's call or wild.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  What does that mean?

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  If it's wild, it means you could knock into some balls and accidentally knock in the eight ball and you'd win the game. I would say, I'll give you the call shot eight. And you're like, no, I need it wild. And we'd have this conversation, I need it wild and I need the breaks. Like, oh, I don't know about the breaks. And you'd have to like work out a game, a spot. So like, that's where the hustling comes in. Because someone pretends they need weight that can beat you. They could beat you already and then they get you to give them weight.

• 46:18Speaker 04

  So now, yeah, now you got a lot of confidence going in. You're like, this guy sucks to the point where I gotta give him...

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you know open micers that are way too confident for their actual ability? You know, open micers that think they're doing well or guys in the beginning?

• 46:31Speaker 04

  I'll be honest, I don't know any open micers anymore.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  But you remember?

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 46:35Joe Rogan?

  But you remember?

• 46:36Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 46:37Joe Rogan?

  That's the same way with pool players. There's pool players that are kinda okay, but think they're a lot better than they are. And if, if they're a moron and you could dance with their ego a little bit. Like, dude, I saw you play, uh, Mikey, you're fucking amazing, man. When you get loose, you're way better than me. And the guy's like, well, I'll give you a spot. And then he's like, see, no, he's giving you the eight ball and he can't beat you even. It's half of the fun. Jeremy Jones told me a story about how he hustled Marcus Shumot. Marcus Shumot is like a world-class pool player, like a top-flight pool player. And he hustled him by getting him to give him weight. And Jeremy could beat him even.

• 47:16Speaker 04

  And why would Marcus do it? Like, he must know Jeremy's history.

• 47:19Joe Rogan?

  Cause he didn't know any better. Jeremy came up with a fake name.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, okay, that makes sense. That's crazy.

• 47:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, they all had fake names. They all had fake names.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, he told me that when he was coming down to Texas to get those games. Like, yeah, you come up with a fake name and like, somebody else talks about you.

• 47:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  Like, your buddy who goes in to kind of like, scope it out, talks about you.

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  He gambles high. Yeah, he's a wild boy. Loses a lot, but he's not scared to gamble. And everybody loves to hear that kind of stupid talk.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:48Joe Rogan?

  Do you know who Efren Reyes is?

• 47:49Speaker 04

  Yo, you told me about this guy, and then I started looking him up.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  But what was his other name?

• 47:53Joe Rogan?

  Cesar Morales.

• 47:54Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 47:54Joe Rogan?

  He came here from the Philippines. This is how strong he was. From another country, he had to change his name. This is before Google, before Wikipedia. Bro, there's a black and white photo. There's a black and white photo that I have a t-shirt of. Where it's like, Morales stuns the field at Reds. He came over from the Philippines and robbed everybody. Robbed the best pool players in America. But he had to fake his name. Cause if he said Efren Reyes, you'd see the look on the Filipino's face, like, Efren, Efren's here. Efren here.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:28Joe Rogan?

  Bata, they called him Bata. The kid.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  Was this? I wonder if this is like, early days?

• 48:35Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. Look at that photo, bro. Black and white photo.

• 48:39Speaker 04

  Swagged out, all of them.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  From 1985.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:43Joe Rogan?

  It didn't have to be black and white in 85.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  But that dude rolled over here and started fucking people up.

• 48:50Speaker 04

  It says his name on there.

• 48:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, signs his name Efren Reyes. Well, you know what it is? Because when he played in the tournament, he went under the name of Cesar Morales. Then he had to collect his money. He needed like, a real name where he had ID to cash the check.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  The bottom says there's another guy that was using an alias too.

• 49:08Joe Rogan?

  Well Wade Crane. Wade Crane would go around as Billy Johnson. That was his nom de plure when he was hustling.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:14Joe Rogan?

  Billy Johnson, but he was Wade Crane. He was this big fucking like linebacker looking dude who had a cannon for a break. Just boom!

• 49:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:24Joe Rogan?

  And then it would just run out on people all over the country and... But the thing is, if you rob lemons, that's when you're getting in fights. So if you rob regular people. That's a regular guy who doesn't really play pool.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:38Joe Rogan?

  And you hustle him, that's when you get in fights. Because they don't know how this whole thing works.

• 49:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, because he lied to me and stole my money.

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  Rules of engagement.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:48Joe Rogan?

  They think it's a crime. You know, that you play better than you really...

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Amongst the sharks?

• 49:53Joe Rogan?

  You don't play lemon. You have to be like really desperate to play lemons. If you find some idiots just knocking some eight balls around and you could tell they can't play at all.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  And you start talking shit to get in their ego and you convince one of these dummies to play you for money. You're stealing money.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  And they might kill you.

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:13Joe Rogan?

  But if you do it to a guy who's involved in a gambling match for pool.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's different.

• 50:17Joe Rogan?

  Like him and his buddies are playing and they're...

• 50:19Speaker 04

  It's professional fighters fighting each other.

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. It's the rules of engagement. And amongst pool players, it's part of the fun. Like they'll go for an hour and a half without making a game. Just talking shit about different spots. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need that.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Cause they're addicted to that part too.

• 50:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah!

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Like sometimes...

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  Foreplay?

• 50:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  Hey, I'm gonna go right in there.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  Fucking...

• 50:43Speaker 04

  Suck on it a little.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah! Let's get the juices flowing. Come on!

• 50:48Speaker 04

  It's fun to... Yeah, it's fun to... It's fun to enjoy something. Especially like at this stage in your life.

• 50:55Joe Rogan?

  When you sit down at a restaurant, you don't immediately get food stuffed right in your face.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  You sit down, have a glass of wine, you start talking, let me tell you what this guy told me. And then you're like, huh, and you're having fun.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  But are you doing that when you're playing? Like you said you're playing how many hours a week now?

• 51:11Joe Rogan?

  It depends. Sometimes I'll play like two hours in a day, every day.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Okay, so let's say you're playing bare minimum, let's say 10 hours a week.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:21Joe Rogan?

  That's not good enough.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, I remember when we were talking last time, you said that like-

• 51:25Joe Rogan?

  Pros play eight hours a day.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you said some crazy shit. You said, uh, you're like, "I don't start playing well until like hour six" or something like-

• 51:36Joe Rogan?

  Hour two.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  You said some shit about like, "I need to be a little drunk, I need to be like a little loose, like-"

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  No, not drunk. A little high helps.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  It was what, you started like, everything that goes against what should work for like your physical ability.

• 51:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  I know, you mentioned something about like flow or something. I think this is with Jones too. Like Jones was like, "Yeah, I like getting into like-" He was like, "I'll play for like six hours and then I'm starting to really kind of warm up. I'm locking in, I'm dialing in."

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  And that's why it's like first to a hundred. Like, that's another thing I didn't realize. I didn't realize guys are playing a hundred games over like two days.

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  Three days. Hundred and twenty is a big one that they do.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  I thought it's like, "Yo, we play a couple, it's like best out of five."

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  And he's like, "No, no, no, no, no. Like, you're up and sometimes part of it is being able to outlast them."

• 52:21Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:21Speaker 04

  Like, the exhaustion takes over and sometimes people will tap out.

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's concentration goes away. The, like, the concentration of focusing on an edge of a ball at distance and then also not moving your arm off this line.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:37Joe Rogan?

  So there's a line that I'm, when I'm stroking a ball, there's a line I'm on.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  I can't, "Sora, Sora, do your thing."

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  Here we are. I'll help you out.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  Have the kid come in, "Peanut butter."

• 52:48Joe Rogan?

  The, from the-

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• 54:42Joe Rogan?

  From the elbow to the cradle, right? I'm holding on to that cue like a baby bird. Oh, really? It's a soft, uh... Oh, it's very soft. I hold on to it like a little baby bird. I never like death grip. It's very light, very light. You know who would death grip it? Who? Peanut, but no.

• 55:03Joe Rogan?

  See what Sora's doing to us? Yeah, man. No, no, no. Okay, so it's a light grip, and then on the final stroke, you have to... The thing is, it's like, even then, it's like mostly the weight of the cue. It's like a little bit of like wrist action, and I'm trying to like have as little... I let the cue slip a little in my grip as it makes contact. It's really like the weight of the cue... Why would you want to reduce force? It's not reducing force. It's actually the opposite. I actually get more force. Oh, you let it slip forward? Yes. Into it. Ah, I thought on impact, it slides back in your hands. No, it goes through my hand. I have to catch it before it goes away. Got it, got it. Jeremy calls it throwing the cue, and he showed me the technique. And, um, it's also the... Old school guys used to call it a slip stroke.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  Where the cue like slips in your hand a little bit. And it's a sign that you're like barely, like Efrain was the best at it. Efrain cradled the cue, like his hands were delicate. He's barely holding it and his wrist was loose. And it makes the cue ball dance. Like there's no sliding. If you hit it too hard, the cue ball slides. It's like, ugh, it gets pushed. It's crude. But if you hit it gently, you stroke the ball, it just rolls forward perfectly. Collides with the other ball, gets perfect position. It's a work of art. But it's a work of art that only someone who practices it can understand.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  People, like I was telling you about playing paddle and how like obsessed I am. And you're, you immediately were like, I'm playing pool 14 hours a week. I don't think people realize like how important it is to just have some shit that you enjoy.

• 56:40Joe Rogan?

  So important.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  That you're not making money at or anything like that.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  How nice is it? It's like a removal from all like this stupid stress chaos. And all people talking shit, what the internet is fabricated, like it's great to have a couple hours. Maybe that's what it is, like.

• 56:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it centers you for sure. There's some, like archery does that for me too. You need something that you're focusing on getting really good at. That's fucking hard, that doesn't give a shit who you are.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't give a shit what your name is, doesn't give a shit if you sold out Madison Square Garden.

• 57:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  Just, you better put that fucking arrow on that target or you're a loser.

• 57:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:17Joe Rogan?

  You're a loser. Put it in there. And that's, there's absolute truth in pool. There's absolute truth in archery, it's absolute truth. The arrow either hits the target or it does not. There is no room for charisma, there's no room for bullshit. It either gets in there or it does not. And I think things like that, whether it's golf or paddle for you or whatever it is. Jiu Jitsu for some people, you either tap someone or you do not. You either get tapped or you tap them. You know, and there's absolute truth in that. And stuff like that is like really good for artists. Because. Art is so subjective.

• 58:01Speaker 04

  Also, successful people, like, it's nice to have something that humbles you.

• 58:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Like, people are meeting you all day, they're probably so excited, and like, they're, they're being versions of their selves around you, you know? Like, do you ever even feel like that? Like, like, how many people are you having like a normal conversation where you're like talking shit? And they're not going, "Oh my god, I'm talking to Joe Rogan right now." Like, is that why, like, is that why being around comedians that you've known for so long is valuable to you? Is that why, like, being around these pool guys that, yes, they know you're Joe, but like, once you start playing, like, you either suck at pool.

• 58:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  Or you can play. Like, is, is there like a, uh, does it like bring you back to humanity in some ways?

• 58:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure it helps, yeah. It keeps you humble, yeah. Jiu-Jitsu's the best at that. Because not only are they beating you, they're literally killing you, and you're saying, "You just killed me."

• 58:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:53Joe Rogan?

  "Thanks, don't rip my knee apart, thanks, don't, don't break my arm, thank you."

• 59:00Joe Rogan?

  If you get, a guy gets you in an R-bar, man, it is so humiliating.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  It's so funny that like, this is, like, this is such a delicate thing before you die.

• 59:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:08Speaker 04

  You know, like-

• 59:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, often you even say it, too. Like, sometimes you just say, "Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap."

• 59:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, that, uh, that happened in one of the last UFC's. Um, a dude was saying, "Tap, tap, tap." Uh, Josh Emmett, uh, when he got caught, he, he got caught in an R-bar and had a verbally tap. It's, uh, you, you get humbled.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's real. It is what it is. And if you don't have anything like that in life, you can like really have this aversion to losing.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:35Joe Rogan?

  And an aversion to losing is very fucking dangerous. It's very fucking dangerous.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, you just get comfy.

• 59:41Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, you need to have something that, you need to have something that scares you. Being scared is good.

• 59:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it gives you some resilience. It's like, if you're a person who sleeps all day, and now you have to run a marathon, well, you're not going to be able to.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  Cause you've never ran, right? But if you run all the time, you can run a fucking marathon and it's real relaxing. You know? It's really just how much you put into it. And if you're not a person who's used to losing at anything ever, and then you lose, it's devastating for your whole life.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is like the, um- You know, if you're like a, like a prince or something like that.

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, exactly. You're Joffrey.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:17Speaker 04

  And that can happen and you don't build up that resilience. I almost feel like it's, you almost have some empathy for it. You know, because like they never had 20 years, 30 years toiling in obscurity before they got success. So they, we, you know, like we at least have something to like look back on.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  And realize how fucking humbling it is, how shitty people can be, et cetera. But like they never experienced.

• 1:00:38Joe Rogan?

  Childhood stars. Childhood stars are all fucked up. There's not, I never met one of them that's got their, you know, some of them are really interesting still, like Miley. Miley Cyrus, she's really interesting. She's very smart. And she's really good. Like her, her music is like, she's not trying to be like pop hit girl. She's just trying to express herself. It's like real legit art, but there ain't no way you get that famous that young. You're fucking Hannah Montana when you're a teenager and the whole world is cheering for you and you don't get a little crazy because of that.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Joe Rogan?

  I never met one of them that's got their shit together.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  Is that the Britney thing?

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a hundred percent, man. But that's Michael Jackson. He's the best example of it of all time.

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  I wonder just what responsibility, I wonder what responsibility like the people around them have.

• 1:01:25Joe Rogan?

  A lot.

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:01:26Joe Rogan?

  A lot. They might not know it while it's happening though.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, cuz they're getting paid off it.

• 1:01:30Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a little bit of that, but it's not shunned. Like it's still a thing in Hollywood.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  I mean, in Hollywood, when, when you have children and your children want to act, people encourage it. They like bring their kids to auditions. They, they call them, you know, what is it, audition moms or, you know?

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  Uh, what's the term?

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Stage moms, that's it. Yeah. Stage moms. Like dude, those are real, man. I've worked with kids before on a TV show. And like I had one of the moms of the kids was like, how does, how does she get more work? What does she need to do? And I was like, I don't know. I'm like, I don't come from this world. I'm a comedian. I come from a totally different world. I don't, I don't know how you go about doing it. But the mom was like super desperate to get her kid more work. And I was like, ooh.

• 1:02:16Speaker 04

  And that's the tricky thing because it's not like merit based like sports in a lot of ways. Like yeah, there are people that are good at shit. They're good at acting, et cetera, but like. A lot of it is maybe who you know, what they're willing to do, how uncomfortable a position they're willing to be in.

• 1:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's most of that, I think. Just because most people at that level, especially like little kid acting.

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:36Joe Rogan?

  Most people are pretty similar. There's not like one little kid like, oh my god, he's a Marlon Brando of little kids.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, maybe there's Ricky Schroder from The Champ. Did you ever see that movie The Champ with Jon Voight?

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  Mm-mm.

• 1:02:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, dude. Oh my god, I saw it when I was a little kid, I cried my eyes out. It's a, it's a rough movie. It's about this boxer who, who dies, Jon Voight dies, and his kid is trying to get him to wake up. He's like, wake up champ, he died in the ring. But, but it's like crazy. He's crying, you're like, oh my god, it seems so real.

• 1:03:11Speaker 04

  How old's the kid?

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how old Ricky Schroder was, was supposed to be in the movie, but he's a kid, like nine or something like that.

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  So imagine being nine, like knowing how to cry on cue.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, right?

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  Like where you, yeah.

• 1:03:25Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  Were you accessing that emotional depth?

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  He did that, and then he did Silver spoons, he had this TV show, he did like, and you know, he was seven.

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Joe Rogan?

  God damn, seven.

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's a fine line, because you see some of these parents, not like a stage parent, like.

• 1:03:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there he is right there.

• 1:03:43Speaker 04

  Even like, uh.

• 1:03:44Joe Rogan?

  It's so sad.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  You know the, you know the guy who drives for, for Red Bull, Max Verstappen?

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, I've heard his name, yeah.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  Widely, wow, he's like considered the best driver right now, like despite maybe the car not being elite, he's so elite that he can compete with maybe better cars on the track, and he's already won a bunch of championships, et cetera. But like, I think his dad was also a driver, and apparently like, his dad cultivated a next champion. And like that was the goal.

• 1:04:11Joe Rogan?

  Tiger Woodsdom.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  And, but the, the thing right there is like, your kid is gonna be born with certain things, and you can, if they have that, like ambition, that hunger and that resilience, you can. Give them some tough love and maybe make a champion out of them. But some of them don't. And I think that you could break a kid like that, too. That's the tricky thing I always think with, with, you know, my daughter is like, and any future kids is, I don't, I don't know if, I don't, I don't have that at this point in my life, I don't have that, I need to make you into something.

• 1:04:43Joe Rogan?

  You shouldn't.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  I, I, I just kinda like-

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  You gotta let them be themselves.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Cause they all are gonna have, the, the worst thing is like, say if you have a kid and you love baseball, and you force your fucking kid to play baseball. You gotta go to baseball practice, and you force your kid to play professionally.

• 1:04:57Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:04:59Speaker 04

  I was lucky I was ambitious, and I had parents that just supported the things that I was ambitious about. So if I wanted to hoop, they were like, alright, let's go play baseball. And my dad was like, let's go every single day, whatever you wanna do, like, let's go. But I never felt this like, this stage mom or dad presence where they were, they were going, hey, you missed four shots today, let's review those shots that you missed, and let's figure out ways that you can't do it.

• 1:05:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  Like, kinda let me have that on my own.

• 1:05:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 04

  I don't need you to insert your ambition into me. I feel like that's kinda selfish in a lot of ways.

• 1:05:26Joe Rogan?

  It is, and it's also, it's like, you gotta know when the line is, like, maybe they do want advice. Like, maybe they are trying to get better at this thing. But you have to have the kind of communication with your kid, with like, do you, do you want some help? Want me to help you?

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, like, I can, I can give you some information. Like, say if your kid wanted to, like, if your kid wanted to do stand-up.

• 1:05:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Joe Rogan?

  And your kid started doing stand-up, and, you know, they're bombing, and you're like, um, do you want me to talk to you?

• 1:05:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Do you wanna talk, you wanna just work this out on your own? Like, you have to have that kind of open level of communication with your kids, where they can tell you, like, hey, just leave me the fuck alone right now. Like, okay?

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Joe Rogan?

  I know you bombed, you know, it sucks.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Joe Rogan?

  I can tell you about my bombs. I bombed a lot.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you what I, what I learned, I got better after the bombing, like, it's like, it sucks, but it's actually good for you.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  So you're delicate with your kids.

• 1:06:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to be. I have daughters.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, if I had a son, I'd beat the shit out of him, take him to ju- Make sure that he knows I could kill him with my bare hands.

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  Thank god you got daughters, bro. Maybe we needed Rogan after. Maybe that's your destiny, man. Maybe that softened you up a little bit.

• 1:06:32Joe Rogan?

  It definitely does. It just lets you understand that they're so different. The way they are, they're so different. Like, my friends that have sons, they come home, the people are lighting things on fire, they're picking the cat up by its tail.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  There's only people who don't have kids that have all these opinions about gender and like what you're born as and all this other stuff. I don't need to get into a whole gender discussion, but like, I see the way that slightly older girls play with my daughter. So like, my daughter's a little, 20 months, right? So, the three-year-olds and four-year-olds that play with her, they're already kind of like mothering. They're like patient with her, they're delicate, they'll want to give her a toy if she wants to give it back, they're fine. It's just like this amazing thing. They're like, I don't know how, maybe they're watching their mom do it to them, etc. But, the boys don't give a fuck.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Right, and older boys will convince younger boys to jump off the top bunk.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  In a second. In a second. My boy Jason got two kids, both boys, and like, you could tell if we weren't there, the older kid is gonna throw the younger kid wherever the hell he wants to throw.

• 1:07:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 04

  Like, we gotta constantly monitor.

• 1:07:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  You know? And that's something baked in.

• 1:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's baked in.

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're like dogs.

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Hey, hey, hey.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  That might be generous.

• 1:07:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  Even dogs would be nice with babies.

• 1:07:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're not, well, they're probably okay with babies, but as soon as you start walking, you're on your own.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, and they're gonna trip you.

• 1:07:51Speaker 00

  That's fucking dance.

• 1:07:52Joe Rogan?

  If it's a five-year-old to a two-year-old, uh, maybe, but, once you get to be three and four, fuck you.

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:59Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, it's also this understanding that you keep getting bigger, and like, as, like, as time goes on, like, the younger ones, like, if someone's picking on you, you can pick on someone younger than you, and like, there's, especially if you're like four brothers, like, the toughest brother's always the youngest brother. Like, if there's a bunch of fighters, yeah, if there's a bunch of fighters, and he has three older brothers.

• 1:08:19Speaker 04

  Did John have three older brothers?

• 1:08:21Joe Rogan?

  No. John, I think, is the middle. I think Arthur is the oldest, and he just died, rest in peace. And then John, and then Chandler's younger, right? Is that correct?

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Chandler's the youngest, but.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  Big boys.

• 1:08:39Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing, John's the only one who became a legit fighter. But Chandler was always like, I'll fuck John up. Like, he said it publicly. Like, that's how they grow up. Well, you grow up in a household with two super athletes as brothers.

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  I just, I have empathy for their dad. Like, imagine trying to discipline those three guys when they're like sixteen.

• 1:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. Good luck. Good luck.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  I sat next to them when we were at the, uh. No, no, no. They're just, they're just different. It's different.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  And their grandmother is, John told me is where the genetics come from.

• 1:09:15Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:09:15Joe Rogan?

  He goes, this is my grandma. And he introduced him to his grandmother. I'm like, yo, his grandmother is big. She's big, man. Big lady.

• 1:09:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, we sat next to them at the, uh, at the spear fight.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  And they're all having the best time. They're just like.

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, John's always having a good time. I like, he's wearing cowboy hats now. He's leaning.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  Dude, he's so funny.

• 1:09:36Joe Rogan?

  He's the sheriff. It's funny how he like, he's like, you know, they were trying to pressure him to fight Tom Aspinall.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  Is he gonna fight? Like, what's the deal?

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  That's part of the fun. I feel like you know.

• 1:09:46Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's doing what a pool hustler does.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  That's what I was about to say.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's what he's doing. Like, I guarantee you, if John really thinks that he's fighting in June, he's already in camp.

• 1:09:55Speaker 04

  Oh, so he's making it seem like he's not potential.

• 1:09:57Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine that John is preparing. Cause, so like, John has different places to train. You know, he doesn't just train at one place.

• 1:10:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  But I could imagine he does a lot of weightlifting, too. He got a lot of, put on a lot of like, real muscle mass when he went up to heavyweight.

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  Heavyweight, yeah.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  If John really thinks he's gonna fight, uh, Alex Pereira, he's getting ready.

• 1:10:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Joe Rogan?

  He's at least getting ready in his mind.

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  Would it be Alex or you think it would be, uh, really? So not, so the Tom ship has sailed.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  The big, no, it hasn't sailed, but the big money fight is Alex and John Jones at the White House. Are you fucking kidding me?

• 1:10:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Catch weight. Make it two twenty-five. You know, Alex still is the light heavyweight champion. Make it a catch weight fight. It don't have to be for a title. Make it the bad motherfucker upper edition. You know, you have the BMF belt for one fifty-fivers. Who's the real BMF?

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, do you think even one of those guys could beat Alex Pereira? You think he'd get a hundred fifty-five pounder in there against Alex Pereira? Does Max Holloway survive against Alex Pereira? No, shut the fuck up. That's the bad motherfucker.

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  That's the only heavyweight.

• 1:11:02Speaker 04

  We need, we need to do a fight like, yeah.

• 1:11:03Joe Rogan?

  DC would drop you on your fucking head, man. You don't want to wrestle that dude.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  Never, but. But like. Matt is funny about that. Their relationship.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  I know. He's like the kindest, sweetest guy and, and he's an animal, a full animal when he fights.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  That'd be a wild thing, man. That'd be a wild thing.

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  The Jon Jones, Alex Pereira fight would probably be the biggest fight in human history.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  I mean, that at the White House?

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  In MMA, but in, as a matchup, you got the greatest of all time in Jon Jones.

• 1:11:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  And arguably the most destructive striker that's ever competed.

• 1:11:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:36Joe Rogan?

  No one's like that guy. Paul O'Ton?

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  That Ankaliya fight.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  He was like, fuck you.

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  Dude, I, I, it was such a, and again, I don't know what's going through Ankaliya's head at this moment, right? But I know what I'm thinking. I'm like, if I'm Ankaliya, it's like, I outstruck this guy in the first time that they fought.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  He's going to be cautious.

• 1:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  And I'm going to be able to walk him down. And I remember the second the bell rings, he runs right at him. And he throws like, maybe like a one, two, one, and I think the right is to the body. And you could see Ankaliya go, whoa, I did not expect the first five seconds of this fight to go this way.

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  He came out hot and closed distance real quick.

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  Immediately. And it was a great, like, it's, it's a testament to like, um, somebody had said this before, especially in MMA. It's like when somebody gets not nervous or but, or like when you shake somebody out of their like natural instinct, they revert back to what they're most comfortable doing. So it's like, if you're like a wrestling guy your whole life and then you learn how to strike, the second something goes a little bit, you know, out of whack, you're going to revert back to your wrestling. I think it might've been DC that said, I forget exactly who was saying, but like you revert back to what you're most comfortable with. DC said it, right?

• 1:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  Okay. And, um, but I thought the most interesting thing about that fight is the punch that Pereira lands that stuns him is this looping right.

• 1:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  Nobody's training for Pereira's right.

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, that's what he threw right away. That was the first punch. It was a straight right.

• 1:12:53Speaker 04

  But he went to the body.

• 1:12:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a long, this is long, straight right he started off the fight with.

• 1:12:59Speaker 04

  But when he lands this like looping right, that?

• 1:13:03Joe Rogan?

  It's not that one. It's a little bit after that. So what he did is he set him up and then got his foot in proper position where he could step inside of him and Ankaliya was, was ready for one thing and Pereira, watch this. If you see where he sets it up, a guy did a really good breakdown of it. I'll watch it again. He broke his foot there, right there?

• 1:13:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I saw.

• 1:13:25Joe Rogan?

  He hit the shin and he broke his toe.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think he gets Ankaliyev to switch stances.

• 1:13:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's just putting mad pressure on him. He's putting mad pressure on him. That you don't see from him too often.

• 1:13:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  And it's time.

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  And he just dips in and drops a fucking hammer on him. Here it is. Boom! So he led Ankaliyev, started moving to the right, to Pereira's right, when he put pressure on him. And that's why, because everybody's scared of the left. The movement with Pereira is, don't ever walk to your right, because that's walking into his left hook.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  Circle away.

• 1:14:09Joe Rogan?

  So circle away. So their idea was, we're gonna circle away. And Pereira was like, I bet you're gonna circle away.

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:14Joe Rogan?

  And he just stomped him in this.

• 1:14:16Speaker 03

  You could tell he enjoyed it.

• 1:14:18Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:23Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  Huh. I didn't know that.

• 1:16:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Plino, his coach, told me after the fight. Like, after he just knocked out Uncle I, he goes, "Let me tell you something, first camp, he was so sick, bro. He was so sick, like, he could barely eat."

• 1:17:00Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I think he said rotavirus, but I think it's norovirus.

• 1:17:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was going around.

• 1:17:06Joe Rogan?

  And he also fucked up his hand. He had a really badly hurt left hand in that fight.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  That's the moneymaker.

• 1:17:11Joe Rogan?

  And then when you see this, you're like, "That's what you get when you get a fully in shape and healthy Alex. You get stomped."

• 1:17:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, but these guys are never fully healthy. Like, anytime, I was just talking to, I believe his name is Paul Hughes. Do you know him? He just fought, it's PFL. He fought a guy, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he fought, uh... Usman?

• 1:17:32Joe Rogan?

  Usman, uh, yeah.

• 1:17:33Speaker 04

  Nurmagomedov, yeah. And, uh, for the second time. The first fight was like contested, it was a close fight and the second one-

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  And if you're Nurmagomedov, if you're, well, you know, you're in the Khabib camp.

• 1:17:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  I mean, come on, son.

• 1:17:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  Come on.

• 1:17:46Speaker 04

  It's real shit.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  You have to carry that last name around?

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  It's, there's a lot of responsibility.

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Khabib Nurmagomedov might be like the greatest name in the history of like grappling, MMA, fighting.

• 1:17:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Joe Rogan?

  Like, you, you've got Khabib's last name?

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, if you saw that on a lineup in a jujitsu tournament or something, you'd be like, man.

• 1:18:05Joe Rogan?

  Nurmagomedov? Oh, God.

• 1:18:09Joe Rogan?

  You're like, you would just have a thousand yard stare like, fuck.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  Anyway, like, you fought him again and like, you know, he was like, yeah, I was dealing with a bunch of, you know, some, I was dealing with some stuff in camp. But I don't want to make excuses because we're always dealing with some stuff.

• 1:18:20Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  He was like, he's probably dealing with stuff, like, that guy, I mean, it was, it was a close fight, but I thought that, uh, he came out to the show in Dubai. And I was like, and he was like, uh, he was like, he was like, yeah, he's just like really good. He's just like a really good guy and I thought that I could get him. I think I still can, maybe it happens one day in the future. But I was this honest approach where, where he was basically saying, we're always a little injured. We're fighters. Like naturally in training camp, you're gonna hurt something, you're gonna tweak something. Now granted, you got fucking neurovirus, this is a little bit different than like your, you know, shoulder sore.

• 1:18:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  But like, everybody's dealing with a little shit.

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  A 100%. Look at Connor. He came into that fight with Dustin Poirier with a broken shin already.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  Didn't give a fuck.

• 1:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, he just thought, it's not that broken.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:03Joe Rogan?

  He's like-

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  Dude, Connor is like reaching final form, like as a promoter. It's like, he's already so prolific, obviously as a fighter, et cetera, but like watching him do the BKFC. I kinda just want to go to see him hype up fights. Like, I want to go to the press conference where he's just like, what was he saying? He's like, "And if you don't win, we're firing you on the spot," to Mike Perry. And Mike's like, "What did I, what, why, why, what did I do? I'm just gonna punch in the face with my mouth."

• 1:19:27Joe Rogan?

  He's like chest bumping the guys who were fighting. Like, he's not even fighting, yeah.

• 1:19:33Speaker 04

  It's like Dana calling out the guys.

• 1:19:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what are you doing? What are you doing?

• 1:19:37Speaker 04

  But it's entertaining. I want to watch one of them BKFC.

• 1:19:39Joe Rogan?

  And I want to know if it's real or if he's really on the most potent Bolivian marching powder. Like, the purest of the pure.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  Whatever he's on, I need to try it. I mean-

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  Or is it an act? I mean, maybe he's just duping us all. What is he saying here?

• 1:19:53Speaker 04

  Look at this guy. Look at him.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  And in front of me, some of the baddest men and women to ever grace planet Earth. This is what we're about here at Paranormal Fighting Championship. The Alien of Combat Sport. And may we rise above the night sky and rain down blows viciously on all our deniers. And announce here today that Paranormal FC has no love for the big club. So let's go Paranormal, let's go Paranormal, and that's announced.

• 1:20:28Speaker 04

  Alright, hold on.

• 1:20:29Joe Rogan?

  Yo, no love for the big club. He might be the greatest promoter of all time.

• 1:20:33Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying, like, we gotta, I know a lot of people do coke and they're not that entertaining.

• 1:20:37Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's charisma.

• 1:20:39Speaker 04

  You gotta have something in you for the coke to bring it out.

• 1:20:42Joe Rogan?

  That's why they won't let him run for president in Ireland.

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  Because it'd be too much fun?

• 1:20:45Joe Rogan?

  That motherfucker will win. Imagine that? That kind of speech in Ireland? Bro, he could be the, he could be the president of Ireland tomorrow.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  Bro.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  If he wanted to be the president of Ireland, if they let him, they let him go on the campaign tour?

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  Let him talk like that in front of packed arenas?

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:01Joe Rogan?

  It's over!

• 1:21:02Speaker 04

  Come on our podcast, Connor, we'll make it happen.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Bro, who else can, yeah.

• 1:21:06Speaker 04

  We control the election, just the three of us.

• 1:21:08Joe Rogan?

  We're the kingmakers, dog, let's go.

• 1:21:10Speaker 04

  We need to charge more for ads, we need to charge more for ads since we can decide the fate of the free world. Only us, nothing else happening. You know what's funny, it's like, anything bad happens, it's our fault? And then like, Trump will like, stop a war in the Middle East? And nobody's going, "Thank you, Joe, thank you Schulz, thank you Theo."

• 1:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Do you think he stopped it?

• 1:21:28Speaker 04

  We need credit for the good.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a fagazi stoppage.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  I think that, uh, I think that he stopped, I think he stopped what Israel is doing to Gaza, for the time being.

• 1:21:39Joe Rogan?

  And he got hostages back.

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  And he got hostages back. So it's like, but the way I look at it is like, I think that you need to give him credit. And I like calling balls and strikes, bro, if he does something I don't like, I'm gonna call it out. And then people get upset at that shit for some reason, they're like, "Oh, but how did you not know this was gonna happen?" It's like, oh my god, do we not, do we not understand that when you vote for somebody, they're gonna do some things that you don't like? And they're gonna do some things that you do? Like, again, there's no nuance on the internet, but like... I don't think that this is what Bibi Netanyahu wanted. I don't think that, and I think it's what Trump wanted. I think Trump went, I want to stop it. And you could make arguments for that, like, oh, he wants to get the Nobel Peace Prize, or whatever the fuck you want to say, but like, he wanted it.

• 1:22:23Speaker 04

  And he created a situation where Bibi was dependent on him. Trump's more popular in Israel than Bibi. And if Bibi wants reelection, he's got to play nice with Trump.

• 1:22:31Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 1:22:33Joe Rogan?

  Trump is more popular in Israel than Netanyahu?

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  Hundred percent, hundred percent.

• 1:22:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:22:37Speaker 04

  There was an article in the New Yorker that just said about this, it's like, Bibi, I know, I know. But like, but like Bibi's political future is dependent on Trump.

• 1:22:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  Hundred percent. So it's like,

• 1:22:46Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  They created a situation, and then he just went around everybody, like, it's almost like he's better at government over there, where you're dealing with dictators. Because he could just say, what do you want? And then they go, ah, like, uh, some, some planes. He goes, alright, we got planes, I'll give you some planes, alright, you do this for me. It's that transactional, and it works on the global stage in that regard. They got to stop. Now, granted, it's a deal between Trump, Bibi, and Hamas. It could go wrong.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:13Speaker 04

  But it seems to me the only person that got what they wanted out of it, it's not what Hamas wanted, it's not what Bibi wanted. And Bibi's folks in government, it's what Trump wanted. So I'm like, you got to give credit to her, you know, credit is due, in my personal opinion. It's like, he doesn't, he wasn't want any more bloodshed, he wants to say that he stopped this thing. Let him rally off some dubs.

• 1:23:34Joe Rogan?

  You see, Israel bombed Lebanon today?

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  Well, he got to stop that one.

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Speaker 04

  They did, where?

• 1:23:41Joe Rogan?

  It bombed a weapons depot, crazy fireball, oh my goodness.

• 1:23:46Speaker 04

  Alright, well, we got to put a stop to all that shit.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Um, this was, uh, what is, what did, did they say anything about the target, Jamie? You should see it, you should see the video, it's nuts, because it's a munitions place?

• 1:23:58Speaker 04

  Oh, so you get the extra explosions.

• 1:23:59Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 1:24:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's Michael Bay.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  Fireball, man, I mean, that's crazy.

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  And there's a bunch of secondary, um, explosions on the ground, right? So those secondary explosions are all the munitions going off?

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Hezbollah.

• 1:24:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:17Joe Rogan?

  Um, incident marked the latest strikes in almost unbroken pattern of daily Israel attacks on Lebanese territories since the ceasefire deal was struck in November of 2024, after more than a year of fierce hostilities accumulated in two months of open war.

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, man.

• 1:24:34Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:24:36Speaker 04

  Anyway.

• 1:24:36Joe Rogan?

  It's like your little brother that keeps dragging you into fights.

• 1:24:39Speaker 04

  It's like, bro.

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like, who we beefing with? What are we doing?

• 1:24:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  But also, his law, you really don't want him having all those weapons either.

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  I don't really know, to be honest with you. But like, I do think that we're allowed to have an opinion on it. There's this idea like, we're not allowed to have opinions. It's like, we're funding shit, we get an opinion on it. Thing is simple.

• 1:24:56Joe Rogan?

  The idea that we shouldn't have an opinion is ridiculous. You should always have opinions. Your opinions could be uninformed, they're still your opinions. Like, you're allowed to have opinions. You're allowed to have the dumbest fucking opinion in the world, and other people go, "That's a really dumb opinion."

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're allowed to have opinions.

• 1:25:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:09Joe Rogan?

  This idea that you shouldn't talk about opinions, like, shut the fuck up.

• 1:25:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is the whole point. This is why we get to say whatever the fuck we want.

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, it's a gatekeeper thing.

• 1:25:17Speaker 04

  Us and Saudi Arabia.

• 1:25:20Speaker 04

  It's just us and Saudi Arabia, by the way. We're the, we're the best ones, by the way, yes. Yeah.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  What was that experience like, going over there?

• 1:25:28Speaker 04

  Man, it was so, it was like, I've performed in the Middle East before, so like, everybody was-

• 1:25:31Joe Rogan?

  You've done a bunch of shows out there.

• 1:25:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, it's just not, everybody make this big thing, like, "Oh my god, it's gonna be so crazy, blah blah." I, I posted my, I told you, I like, I posted my set. Cause people are saying all this shit, like, "Oh, I didn't change anything," and all these comics were doing it. I'm like, "Alright, well, I'll show you. This is what I did." You tell me if I took it easy on them. You tell me if I cared. And Pill made all this fucking big deal about like, "Oh, they made you sign a list of things you can't say," and it's just like, "Do you really think the fucking king cares about the clowns coming to the festival?" Like, "You think he really gives a fuck about that shit?" No.

• 1:26:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, he would care if it was humiliating.

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  It's some middle guy who's like, "I don't wanna get in trouble, so I'm gonna say this." They do that shit anywhere you go. They did that shit when I was in UAE, I didn't fucking look at it. I'll never look at a list once in my life. I'll perform wherever my fans are, I don't give a fuck. Like, that's my take on it, is like, "I'm gonna perform wherever my fans are, I don't give a fuck what their governments do, I'm gonna perform for my fans, as simple as that. That's what it is." I just happen to have fans over there. There are a lot of guys who like, can't perform outside of Brooklyn, who are like, "I would never go." It's like, well, no one was asking you.

• 1:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, no one's inviting you.

• 1:26:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. You also don't have to.

• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:32Speaker 04

  But it might be different if you got like, tons of DMs of people going, "Please come out here, we've been watching your special, we've been doing all these things." You're like, "Oh, that'd be really awesome to come perform for you guys."

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the idea is you're being paid by a dictator.

• 1:26:43Speaker 04

  Good, my fans get a discount.

• 1:26:46Speaker 04

  It's not like they didn't, it's not like they didn't have to pay for the tickets. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's just a little added on top from the family.

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:26:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:54Speaker 04

  So it is what it is. Bro, this comic out there said the funniest, it's fucked up. He said the funniest shit. And I was like, yeah, so what do you think about them, you know, you know, chopping up that journalist? He goes, they chopped up one journalist so women can drive.

• 1:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 1:27:10Speaker 04

  I was dying, bro. I was dying. Bro, when we were out there, it was so funny.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  That is true, like, MBS, that's not true, what you said. But it is true that MBS is the reason why women can drive.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. The other guy, the MBM was the guy who was gonna be more conservative. But, yeah, so it's like, it's, uh, it was so funny because like when we were out there, like, there are chicks driving now, obviously. You know what I mean?

• 1:27:33Joe Rogan?

  How are they doing?

• 1:27:33Speaker 04

  Well, we got in one accident, two female drivers.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  They're new at it.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  Bro, so it's like, we got out the car and you could see the look on their faces, the parts of their faces you could see. And, uh, and you get, they were just like, damn, man, everybody's gonna know. And it was, uh, but it's funny, they said, um, they get the girls all like Chinese cars? And I was like, why do they, why do they drive the Chinese cars? And they're like, ah, it's the cheapest cars, they're just figuring this shit out.

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  They just started driving. Like, imagine you're 50 and you just start driving tomorrow.

• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:07Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's crazy.

• 1:28:08Speaker 04

  No, they figure that shit out. But, yeah, it was fun, man, I don't know, like, I don't even know if people care because like you see this shit online and like everybody feels like they need an opinion on it. I even see comics going like, a lot of people have been asking my opinion, so like I need to give your fucking opinion.

• 1:28:21Joe Rogan?

  Have they really been asking, like, what are you talking about?

• 1:28:24Speaker 04

  Nobody's asking a fucking opinion. It's almost to the point, and then I ask like any regular people, they're like, they don't really care because they're watching like the six best tennis guys perform in Saudi this weekend.

• 1:28:34Joe Rogan?

  And golfers and race car drivers and UFC and boxing.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  So it's just like, how much do you, and they just put a billion dollars into, uh, like a Hollywood movie studio?

• 1:28:45Joe Rogan?

  Uh-oh.

• 1:28:45Speaker 04

  So I'm, I'm like, I'm screenshotting. Everybody who talks, I'm screenshotting because I'm waiting for you to do a movie with it. I'm petty, I don't forgive, you forgive. You know what I mean? You have somebody on your pod who had someone on their pod talking shit. You're better than me.

• 1:29:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  You're better than me.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be able to just let things go.

• 1:29:05Speaker 04

  I can't wait for Gavin Newsom to go on Bad Friends.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  I can't, I, I, I, I wanna see the, I'm distancing myself from the Rogan sphere tour.

• 1:29:14Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that's hilarious.

• 1:29:15Speaker 04

  First stop, Bad Friends.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:29:18Speaker 04

  I thought that was corny.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Speaker 04

  I thought it was corny.

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we talked about that. Um, I don't know. It is what it is.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  You're, you're more forgiven.

• 1:29:29Joe Rogan?

  There's no time that you should, in my mind, no time that you should be spending on these kinda conflicts. It's like pointless, it's wasted energy.

• 1:29:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it's fun to talk some shit.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, when, when I decided, um, to talk shit about Maron was after the Theo thing. After Theo kinda went off the rails.

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  And Theo went off the rails right after Maron put him in his special.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:29:53Speaker 04

  You know my issue with that joke in the special? It was just like what Twitter says.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:29:58Speaker 04

  It wasn't even like a creative angle. It was just like literally what every tweet would say.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, it was one of the funniest jokes he's ever made because it's oppression of a really funny guy.

• 1:30:08Speaker 04

  Exactly, yeah, you gotta rely on Theo's impression.

• 1:30:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. But yeah, I just, I don't know. Like, my, my whole thing with Maron is like, I think that like people outside of comedy have this idea of him. But like, everybody inside comedy knows he's a piece of shit and they've known it for years. And like, this is not just like us.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:30:25Speaker 04

  You know, like, there's the, I mean, there's that great like Jon Stewart story about their thing. Which is like, I don't even know what people know, but like, Jon took that MTV show and Maron like ripped him for it. How you sell out, you pieces of, how dare you do it? And then when Jon leaves to go do another show, guess who takes over that same show? Maron. That's who we're dealing with. So it's like, it's one of these things where like, inside the game, we all know who the pieces of shit are and we just go, ugh, we roll our eyes at it.

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  This is how Marc Maron works. He sees you get successful, he feels bad, so he comes up with a reason why you're bad.

• 1:30:58Speaker 04

  Exactly, and he'll find some like intellectualization of it to justify his bitterness.

• 1:31:02Joe Rogan?

  You wanna know what he hit me with? With Fear Factor?

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 1:31:04Joe Rogan?

  You're taking jobs away from comedians who would be writing on sitcoms.

• 1:31:11Speaker 04

  How, how, what?

• 1:31:12Joe Rogan?

  What? Cause I'm doing a, a reality show. So the reality show, which is number one show in the country.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Would have, would have, if it didn't exist.

• 1:31:21Speaker 04

  That was a Trump moment right there.

• 1:31:22Joe Rogan?

  Number one! It was the best! But, when, the idea was that somehow or another this is stealing, it's like, the dumbest justification.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  You're just angry, bro.

• 1:31:34Joe Rogan?

  You didn't look at it at all. You didn't, you didn't have any insight. You didn't like step back and go, okay, let me reflect on this. Does this make any sense? Because it doesn't make any sense, because those people are doing a job outside of comedy.

• 1:31:46Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Just like me. I'm doing a job outside of comedy too.

• 1:31:49Speaker 04

  But you can't even give it any credence. It's like, the guy, every criticism he has, he's guilty of. Like, he's like, how dare you have presidents on the pod and have fun with them? And it's like, you had Obama before anybody. You started this. You didn't ask Obama anything about fucking drone strikes or whatever. And frankly, and I love Obama, I just wanna point that out, like, I, I actually really do. And I know there's probably fucked up shit that anybody in power gotta do, but like, I genuinely, I liked him.

• 1:32:11Joe Rogan?

  I love him as a statesman. I think he was the best statesman we've ever had.

• 1:32:14Speaker 04

  You just felt good. You just felt good.

• 1:32:15Joe Rogan?

  It felt like he's a great representative of America.

• 1:32:18Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 1:32:19Joe Rogan?

  As intelligent and measured as anybody who's ever held the office. Better than any, like, Clinton, when he was young, was really good. I think Obama was another level.

• 1:32:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:32:28Joe Rogan?

  I think Obama was another level.

• 1:32:29Speaker 04

  Anyway, so, so, but it's like, yeah, you did it. You did the thing. You did the exact same thing. Talk all this shit about like, oh, we got-

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  We just had him on recently. You didn't ask him anything.

• 1:32:38Speaker 04

  Of course he did.

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  Anything like, like, would, would you have repealed the Smith-Mundt Act?

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  But is that surprising to you?

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  No, not to me.

• 1:32:47Speaker 04

  Cause we know, cause we're inside.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the thing, he like positions himself as his intellectual, but he doesn't say anything interesting.

• 1:32:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think-

• 1:32:54Joe Rogan?

  There's nothing that guy ever says where I'm like, wow, that's a unique insight.

• 1:32:58Speaker 04

  That's the thing.

• 1:32:59Joe Rogan?

  Fucking never. It's childish with a good vocabulary.

• 1:33:03Speaker 04

  No, I think he's a, he's probably, I think he's a smart guy. I think he's probably smarter than he is funny. I think that drives him crazy.

• 1:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he's also too obsessed with himself to be reflective enough to understand, like, why other people don't like him.

• 1:33:15Speaker 04

  Wait, you're saying the guy who talks by himself for five minutes before the president comes on? Fifteen minutes? If it wasn't for Fast Forward, there would be no Maripacas.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It was just a rant?

• 1:33:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:33:26Joe Rogan?

  Just the rant, imagine.

• 1:33:28Speaker 04

  But anyway, so it's just like.

• 1:33:29Joe Rogan?

  The rant is what killed the show, by the way. If he didn't have the rant, he probably wouldn't be like bottom 200.

• 1:33:36Speaker 04

  I think, I think better shows came out and it's just like, that's just the nature of the game.

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  But it's also like, he's not that good at talking to people. He's not nice.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  So, I don't know. My, my whole feeling about it is just like, we know, like, we know who the pieces of shit are in our industry.

• 1:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:33:49Speaker 04

  And like, we're aware of it because we've seen him from the jump. Like, if, if I'm sitting down with a comedian, right, and like, this is why I don't fuck with a lot of them, is like, if you immediately start talking shit about your co-host to me when I'm sitting down with you, like, I, I gotta start questioning your integrity a little bit. It's like, that's your boy. Like, why are you shit talking your boy to me?

• 1:34:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:34:09Speaker 04

  So it's, yeah, but you saw it. A lot of these guys, man, you saw it. You saw a lot of these guys. You saw, and they, and it's, and it's like, I think a lot of this is just salvation, to be honest with you.

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:20Speaker 04

  It's like, they see an internet trend, and I think that like, like, right now, there's this internet trend, oh, the fucking manosphere, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think I see guys who you were very generous to, like, you let your platform, your millions of followers, the biggest show on the planet, helped them make tons of money, helped them really have success, build their own platforms. And now they see like, an internet trend about like, the manosphere, whatever. And I see guys like, trying to create a little separation. I see all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, you, you, you use this guy to make millions of dollars and get all these fans, and now you see online outrage, and you're like, oh no, that's them, that's not me. It's like, you had no problem being part of the Avengers. You know what I mean? You had no problem being in the photos, you had no problem before, and now you see a little shit going on, you separate.

• 1:35:05Speaker 04

  I feel like that's the moment you double down for your boy. That's the moment you go, I know that person, what people are saying about him isn't real. And you refute that. That's what I would do. I mean, whatever.

• 1:35:16Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of cowards out there in the world.

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  And it's just, they're scared.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  They're, they're scared, and this is like, a, a time of real attacks. Like, in the past, like, say in the 90s or something like that, if you supported Andrew Dice Clay or something like that, like, you didn't really get any heat, and nobody cared. You could do an interview, and you're like, I think Dice is hilarious. You wouldn't like, lose sponsors, you wouldn't. Nothing would happen, but now there'll be like an organized campaign to try to take you out.

• 1:35:42Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, with bots.

• 1:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:44Speaker 04

  Like, people don't even think the bots thing is real.

• 1:35:46Joe Rogan?

  You pay for it. You can hire them.

• 1:35:48Speaker 04

  And why? And there's other countries that are involved in that shit, too. Not to be like, it's not even conspiratorial. But like, I think a little bit, that's what the Comedy Festival, the Riyadh thing was a little bit.

• 1:35:56Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 1:35:56Speaker 04

  Because it was so peculiar. It's like they're so, they're already so entrenched into like our entertainment. And then all of a sudden, we went out. And I think-

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• 1:37:33Speaker 04

  Sometimes something gets a little bit of buzz, and then people, you know, send the bots to create a little friction or separation.

• 1:37:39Joe Rogan?

  And then people hop on board.

• 1:37:41Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:37:41Joe Rogan?

  They pile on.

• 1:37:42Speaker 04

  They have to, because they see those views there.

• 1:37:44Joe Rogan?

  I had Palmer Lucky on the podcast yesterday, and he was discussing that. He was discussing these like organized campaigns and how it's affecting people's minds. Well, it's just that this is part of like what China does to keep us at each other's throats.

• 1:37:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:57Joe Rogan?

  It's literally a strategy.

• 1:37:59Speaker 04

  And people are so stupid that they're gonna let a 30-second TikTok dictate their opinions about the world.

• 1:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:05Speaker 04

  Like, they're not fact-checking, they're not doing anything about it.

• 1:38:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:08Speaker 04

  And there are people that like consider themselves journalists that will do it.

• 1:38:12Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:38:12Speaker 04

  Like, there's this little nepo baby, he's like Kennedy's grandkid or some shit like that. That was like talking all this shit about, and one thing he said is that like, because I called him a nepo baby, because he never had a jo- I don't care if your dad's, but if you never had a real job, like, you know.

• 1:38:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:26Speaker 04

  Like, what the, why are you telling people who have real jobs what to do and how they should vote and what they should do with their lives?

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  You're not even a real fully formed human.

• 1:38:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're a child. And then he goes, "Oh, Schulz is, you know, married into the Turner dynasty." Like, my wife's, maybe her name is Turner. He thinks that my wife's family is like Turner, Ted Turner. Like, this is, this is a guy who his job is journalist. He calls himself a journa- and he couldn't even do the bare minimum rea- he saw another TikTok that said something that's completely untrue. The Turner dynasty, I mean, it'd be nice. Fuck, let's go Ted, cough it up if you've been hiding. But like, this is the level, this is the level discourse, and then that shit hits TikTok and then people start repeating things. Like, there's just so much fake shit.

• 1:39:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, the dumb thing is you were already rich when you got married. Like, how much?

• 1:39:19Speaker 04

  The dumb thing is not her family.

• 1:39:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not her family, but even if it was, if you married the child of a rich family, you were already rich.

• 1:39:26Speaker 04

  We did alright.

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  It was stupid.

• 1:39:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:39:28Joe Rogan?

  It's stupid. Like, this is why he made, no, no, no, bitch. He was already famous. Shut the fuck up.

• 1:39:34Speaker 04

  It just, it just doesn't make any sense. And you see these narratives, they take hold, and then they just become reality.

• 1:39:40Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:39:41Speaker 04

  And, and it's one of those things, like, you can't fight the internet.

• 1:39:43Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:39:44Speaker 04

  You know, it's just like, people say things, and then they just become... They like just become reality, it's like fascinating. And like I've seen it happen with you. And then I think that there's like, there's obviously these different levels in comedy. So you don't imagine it happening to yourself and then you're in it.

• 1:39:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:40:01Speaker 04

  And yeah, it's just wild, man. This is wild, like, like there's, there's, there's these people who say that like, uh, I remember when I bought back the special and then I, then I sold it.

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:40:11Speaker 04

  And then they're like, he sold, and then he put it out on YouTube. It's like, there's literally a video of me going, if you can't afford it, steal it. And if you can't figure out how to steal it, I'll put it up on YouTube. It's like, I can't be more clear.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:27Speaker 04

  But it's a way funnier narrative to be like, oh, this is what happened, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, guys, like.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  He got your money and then he put it up for free on YouTube and he's got more money.

• 1:40:35Speaker 04

  I'm saying steal it if you can't afford it and then I'm gonna put it up on YouTube in the future. And it's like, what do I do in that situation?

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  Listen, man, I went to see SpaceX launch, uh, on Monday. Jamie and I went down there. We went down to South Texas, watched a rocket launch. It's one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my life. I got a tour of the SpaceX facility. One of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  I sat with Elon in the command studio where they're going over the rocket as it's flying to Australia. We watched it live using Starlink satellites, 60 different fucking cameras of everything. Monitoring every single aspect of the internal pressure of the chambers and all these different things. And then I was watching a video, someone calling him a fuckwit. I think he's a fuckwit. This guy was like, I think he's a fuckwit. His rockets keep blowing up. Like, the rockets are literally blowing up on purpose because they're testing the parameter. They're testing what are the tolerances of these structures.

• 1:41:40Speaker 04

  Oh, so they're pushing the limit to see where it is.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  100%. He's like, we know we're gonna blow some up. But they, they can produce rockets so much faster than NASA. And you think he's a fuckwit? But it doesn't matter, it's not real. Like, I, I saw comedians say that he was a Nazi. He's a Nazi because he said, "My heart goes out to you."

• 1:42:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Because he did the thing that they all do.

• 1:42:04Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. It looked crazy.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  Look crazy.

• 1:42:07Speaker 04

  It looked crazy, but

• 1:42:07Joe Rogan?

  Looks very aggressive.

• 1:42:08Speaker 04

  Doing the thing doesn't make you a Nazi.

• 1:42:10Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:42:11Speaker 04

  Believing what Nazis believe makes you a Nazi.

• 1:42:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:13Speaker 04

  And I think that's the separation. I think that like, once you have an idea of somebody, you can't wait to confirm it.

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:20Speaker 04

  And the internet is full of 30-second clips that will confirm whatever you believe.

• 1:42:25Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:42:26Speaker 04

  And they will be sent right to your phone. Like, this is what I've been thinking about recently. It's like, remember when, um, like cigarettes came out, or even like fast food? When we were growing up, was fast food unhealthy? It was just food.

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  It was just food.

• 1:42:36Speaker 04

  We just ate it as food. This generation knows that it's unhealthy. They don't stop eating it, but at least they're aware, right? They know the nutrition facts. We're about to go through what I think is like, that with internet content.

• 1:42:49Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:42:49Speaker 04

  If a video gets sent to your phone from an account you don't follow, the immediate reaction should be like, "This is a Big Mac? I'll indulge in it, but it's not nutritious."

• 1:42:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:00Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? Like, there's a reason why it's being sent, right? It's gonna confirm whatever biases I have. It's either gonna scare me, or it's gonna make me really happy. There's gonna be this dopamine release. And I think that we need to start realizing that. Like, the second I see any video on the internet now, outside of peanut butter, peanut butter I love. Love my man Peanut Butter.

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 1:43:18Speaker 04

  But like, I'm, I'm immediately skeptical. I'm like, "What exactly is happening here? Why is this being sent to me? What is this confirming?" Like, that's my immediate reaction. I think that the next generation, at least kids, will definitely look at things like that. I hope.

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  I think a big factor is podcasts. Because we talk about this stuff, and they might not be talking about it with their friends, their friends might not know. And so when we're talking like, "Don't trust everything. You need to understand, a lot of this is outrage farming. They're doing it on purpose, and they're doing it specifically to try to get us at each other's throats. Don't fall into it. Don't be a sucker. Don't be a sucker, you know?"

• 1:43:57Speaker 04

  Or there's people that are like... They're just doing it because they need views and clicks. You know, like, this is, and that's something that I realized is like, there's this like, there's this like beautiful little time in comedy where like, you're everybody's hero, right? Cause you're the unsung hero. Like, everybody feels like they, they're the only ones that know about you. And they are the only ones that know what you're doing, and like, everybody's riding. And then you do eventually, some people, if you're lucky enough and fortunate enough to transcend it, where like, your name can be part of pop culture. And the benefit of that is like, you get to provide for your family, you get to live your dreams, you get to do fucking arenas, it's amazing. There's the negative that we have to put up with, I'm not fucking complaining, it's awesome, but like, the negative is,

• 1:44:38Speaker 04

  your name can be attached to any story, your picture's attached to any story, like, bro, I saw there was a video on the internet where it was like, Joe Rogan, uh, ripping on his guests, and it's a picture of me and you, and I'm like, when the fuck did this happen? I watched the video, we ain't even in it together!

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all the time.

• 1:44:58Speaker 04

  It's you.

• 1:44:58Joe Rogan?

  I see that.

• 1:44:59Speaker 04

  It's you and like, uh, what, the guy who was, who didn't understand, like, if, if you're born a man or a woman, I forget, what it was.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:05Speaker 04

  It's, but it's like, that guy's face isn't gonna get clicks.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:09Speaker 04

  Me and you, homies going at it, is gonna, right, so it's like,

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Outrage farming.

• 1:45:14Speaker 04

  That is the internet in a microcosm. And I'm not saying that like, you need to, I'm, I, I believe maybe more personal accountability, like, I'm not saying we should make the internet change what it is, the internet's gonna be what it is, we just gotta be aware of what we're consuming. Don't ban fast food, just be aware that when you eat a Big Mac, you might not feel as good as when you eat a fucking chicken salad.

• 1:45:34Joe Rogan?

  It's not healthy, but have fun. You wanna watch like Colombian assassinations? In grainy security video cameras?

• 1:45:39Speaker 04

  Have at it.

• 1:45:40Joe Rogan?

  Have at it.

• 1:45:41Speaker 04

  I like it too.

• 1:45:42Joe Rogan?

  I like to wa, I, I mean, I, look at my phone, it's mostly like assassinations and tits.

• 1:45:46Speaker 04

  Bro, it, the, the amazing thing about it is like, nobody thinks they have radical thoughts, because they're so normalized.

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:56Speaker 04

  By every video confirming your thought.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:59Speaker 04

  So it's like, I used to think like, liking feet was unique.

• 1:46:04Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 1:46:06Speaker 04

  I scroll on Instagram for a little bit and I'm like, "We all into this." There's refined cultural people out there.

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:12Speaker 04

  And I think that's it with every political idea. That's it with every cultural idea. We are 100% rewarded in what we think. And then people say shit out loud. And then it becomes like a crazy story.

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:46:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I honestly, I think that's what happened to a lot of folks with Riyadh. Is that like, there was a lot of comics that were in that like, stage before pop culture. And they got their first experience of like internet backlash. Because they're like-

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Like Jessica Curson.

• 1:46:42Speaker 04

  Jessica, who's fucking hilarious.

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 1:46:44Speaker 04

  Like, like literally hilarious.

• 1:46:46Joe Rogan?

  I've had her on a bunch of times, I love her.

• 1:46:47Speaker 04

  Lesbian.

• 1:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Very funny.

• 1:46:49Speaker 04

  Jewish.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Super nice person.

• 1:46:50Speaker 04

  Apparently crushed out there.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I heard you got a standing ovation.

• 1:46:53Speaker 04

  Crushed.

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:46:57Speaker 04

  And like, to me, I'm like, I've maybe made a different view of these things. It's like, I think that like, western culture is so addictive. Like, once you get a taste of this shit, like, this is what you want. And I think there's a version of looking at this thing where like, in 10 years later, they go, "Yeah, we need to, we need to have more of this. And we need to have more people making fun of us. And we need to have more people making fun of themselves. And this is beautiful, like, cultural exchange." That, maybe that's like looking through rose colored glasses, but that's how I look at these things.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:20Speaker 04

  And I'm going, and then she's like, she's experiencing that backlash because she never has. And I think she goes, "I toiled in obscurity for decades, being hilarious but not having a fanbase. I finally got one." And then you feel that internet backlash, you think that's real, and you're like, "Oh my god, I'm gonna lose everything that I've always dreamed. I need to address this."

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:47:38Speaker 04

  When in reality, if you put your head down for two weeks.

• 1:47:40Joe Rogan?

  Goes away.

• 1:47:41Speaker 04

  Nobody will care.

• 1:47:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:43Speaker 04

  No, there's a tennis tournament-

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  That's Chris Rock's quote.

• 1:47:45Speaker 04

  What does he say? I've heard somebody say something similar to that.

• 1:47:47Joe Rogan?

  He says-

• 1:47:48Speaker 04

  I thought you told me that, actually. I thought you said like, "I just don't look at my phone."

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't. I don't, but Chris's take on it was, "Wait two weeks before you respond to anything."

• 1:47:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:47:56Joe Rogan?

  And most likely to blow away. If it's still around after two weeks, then address it.

• 1:48:00Speaker 04

  Make a comedy special about it.

• 1:48:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:48:05Speaker 03

  He stewed.

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  He stewed on that shit.

• 1:48:08Speaker 04

  He kinda milked it in the best way because if you think about it, he got to tour that thing for a year and everybody was showing up to those shows because they're like, oh, I need to say.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  But people were filming it, though. That was the problem. Like, some people pulled out their fucking phone and ruined the fun. Yeah.

• 1:48:23Speaker 04

  But I get why he's like, I might as well tour this shit. I'm not gonna just address it right now. Let's go.

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Also, cook it. Like, make sure that bit is fucking, you got the right seasoning in there. You get that fucking thing over the stove. Make that Sunday sauce, baby. Let's go. Make that ragu. Let's go. Yeah.

• 1:48:41Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a, it's a weird time for comedy, man.

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun time for comedy. Ari Shaffir said it best.

• 1:48:47Speaker 04

  What'd he say?

• 1:48:48Joe Rogan?

  He said comedy's dangerous again.

• 1:48:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  This is what Ari loves. He loves chaos. That silly motherfucker. He loves when things go suck. I love chaos too, but not that much. He fuck, he likes when the city burns down because he'll put on a backpack and go to Asia.

• 1:49:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, he gets to just dip. He really leaves dips.

• 1:49:06Joe Rogan?

  He's dipped right now. I don't know where he is. He's hiding somewhere in the world.

• 1:49:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  He'll dip, he'll dip for like three, four months, throws his phone away, he ruins our text message thread because we gotta protect our parks and he turned, he turned the whole thing green. So I opened up a new text message thread that's called Fuck Ari.

• 1:49:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  And so it's just me and Norman and Shane. It's like, he's, he's a legit wild boy, but he said it right. He said, uh, comedy's dangerous again. And it is dangerous, but, but it's only dangerous if you let it be. Like, for, for people like Jessica, I wish she'd talked to me. I would've said, don't listen to anybody, don't read the comments.

• 1:49:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:49:42Joe Rogan?

  Fuck those people. You, what you're doing is, the Lakota people had a term called the hayoka. And a hayoka was a special member of society that made fun of everybody. It was an important part of their culture. He made fun of the chief, he made fun of the chief's wife, he made fun of everyone.

• 1:50:01Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:50:02Joe Rogan?

  And the idea was if you couldn't mock something, that it was bullshit.

• 1:50:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:50:06Joe Rogan?

  And so he was stress testing.

• 1:50:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  All of these different things. So that was, it was called the sacred clown. That was their definition of what a hayoka is.

• 1:50:14Speaker 04

  This, this is like built into American culture. It's like.

• 1:50:16Joe Rogan?

  American culture specifically.

• 1:50:18Speaker 04

  It's like why I want Trump to do the, uh, what's that little like, uh, news dinner?

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Press corps, yeah, White House press correspondent dinner.

• 1:50:25Speaker 04

  It's like why I want him to do it because. Look, we have a relationship with government in America that from its inception is antagonistic.

• 1:50:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:50:33Speaker 04

  Right, like, we fought the war because we're like, you don't get to tell us what to do. And then we set up systems of government that basically stopped one person from telling us what to do. And then we had this great thing where, once a year, the guy who's in charge, the most powerful guy, gets humbled in front of all of us. And it's this beautiful thing that is like uniquely American. I know there's somebody right now who's like, "In France, we've been doing this forever, shut the fuck up." It, to me, it's uniquely us, it's our thing. And I love the idea of like humbling our heroes. It's why roasts work. It's by seeing, like, Tom Brady, whoever it was, like, on the roast. It, and the more powerful, the more successful, the more that they've got, we like that kind of humbling.

• 1:51:14Speaker 04

  Because we have that antagonistic relationship with, you know, the people in charge, or even our heroes. It's a beautiful fucking thing. And afterwards, we kind of embrace those people even more. We appreciate that you were taken to your knees, if you will, in that moment.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see when Jeff Ross on Comedy Central, they roasted Trump?

• 1:51:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I've seen, obviously, clips from it, yeah.

• 1:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, he had a conversation with Trump.

• 1:51:35Speaker 04

  What'd he say?

• 1:51:36Joe Rogan?

  He said, "Hey, when they're going after you, just laugh, you gotta laugh, you gotta smile. If they look over at you and you got a serious look on your face, it's not good." He's like, "Okay, yeah, you're right." He realized, he was like, "Yeah, you gotta, you gotta laugh it off."

• 1:51:48Speaker 04

  You gotta let it go.

• 1:51:49Joe Rogan?

  You gotta let it go. And, you know, that's the White House press correspondence, you gotta be able to let it go.

• 1:51:54Speaker 04

  Let it go, let it rip, make fun of them, make fun of everybody, make fun of the press corps. But it's this beautiful, humbling thing.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  But the thing about Trump is like, the White House press correspondence thing is literally why he became president in the first place.

• 1:52:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 1:52:07Joe Rogan?

  When Obama was like, "Here's one thing that I am that you'll never be, President of the United States."

• 1:52:15Speaker 04

  I mean, if that's how it works, Trump will never have free healthcare. You know, you just gotta, you'll never do that, I promise you.

• 1:52:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:23Speaker 04

  You'll never stop every war.

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's what you have to do.

• 1:52:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  You have to challenge them.

• 1:52:27Speaker 04

  But yeah, I just, I think, I think those things are really important. I just think they're important, like, cultural institutions for us specifically. It doesn't work the same in other places that don't have that kind of antagonistic relationship with government.

• 1:52:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:40Speaker 04

  There are places that they just do not have it. Like, they actually have like a really grateful and appreciative relationship.

• 1:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Or their government doesn't have any free speech law. Like, England. Like, what, what, what England's going through right now is crazy.

• 1:52:54Speaker 04

  That's the thing I was trying to tell people is like, when people keep talking about free speech, it's like, stop acting like that's the norm. We're the unique ones.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:53:01Speaker 04

  In Canada, they don't have free speech. They have free, freedom of expression or something like that.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's carved out with like, certain things, like hate crimes or hate speech.

• 1:53:11Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, hate speech is weird, because it's very subjective.

• 1:53:14Speaker 04

  Who defines it was hate.

• 1:53:15Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:53:15Speaker 04

  Right? So it's like, and I remember when them truckers were protesting, they were freezing the accounts, like, there's just, yeah. It's just a uniquely, you know, American thing, which is amazing, and we need to like, protect it at all costs.

• 1:53:30Joe Rogan?

  100%. And we need to protect it and propagate it through the world. We, and that's why we should get upset when England starts cracking down on free speech. Because that's a disease. And if that disease spreads, and if England falls, and all of a sudden, England is essentially a totalitarian dictatorship.

• 1:53:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:53:46Joe Rogan?

  If they're a totalitarian dictatorship, we're in real fucking trouble, man.

• 1:53:50Speaker 04

  I don't think we are. But I get what that, I get that logic. Like, I get this idea that like, things are trendy.

• 1:53:55Joe Rogan?

  No, we aren't right now.

• 1:53:56Speaker 04

  No, no, I mean, like, even, I hear what you're saying. Like, and, and trends do build steam, and then people ask for it, and they see other things working. I get that. Like, I think that makes sense, like, functionally in the world. You know what I mean? But like, my shit is like, I care about American free speech, that's what I go for. I'm an American, I want us to be all good. If the other countries want to get on board with it, alright, get on board with it. That'd be great.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  The problem is they bring that shit over here. Just like when people.

• 1:54:18Speaker 04

  Keep that shit over there.

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Let me tell you something, in the night, like, 2015, 16, when I started talking shit about, uh, college campuses, people like, why are you worried about these kids on college campuses with these Marxist ideas? I was like, they're gonna graduate, like, I, I, I'm a, I'm a person who sees like where things are moving, which is why I got out of California so early. I was like, I see where this is going, you gotta get the fuck out now, this is not good. And I'm like, they're gonna get out of this school, and they're gonna start working for corporations, and it's gonna flood the country.

• 1:54:48Speaker 04

  They're gonna be in government.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  With these nonsensical ideas.

• 1:54:50Speaker 04

  They're gonna have positions of power, one hundred percent.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 1:54:52Speaker 04

  And like, these corporations are gonna bend to whatever, you know, makes them the most money.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, which is why it's dangerous if England goes. If England goes, if England like completely falls, like they just passed the digital, or they're trying to force the digital ID on people. And they arrested 12,000 people for social media posts. And some of them are just critical about the amount of immigration that's coming in, and they're putting them in jail for this.

• 1:55:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  So if that is a trend, and that starts spreading through Europe, and they lock those people down, because those people don't have guns, they don't have free speech laws. They don't have any of the things that protect us.

• 1:55:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, so you're worried about them in terms of it becoming a trend and then impacting us.

• 1:55:30Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, because if it becomes a trend for the entire world, and we're the only, and they're like, the problem, the consequences of free speech is an unsafe society.

• 1:55:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:39Joe Rogan?

  We have to protect the marginalized groups.

• 1:55:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:43Joe Rogan?

  You know how that ends? That ends with a military dictatorship, and all those people that helped them get into play, all those leftists, they all get killed. Because they're the people that are gonna resist the government, having this kinda tyrannical power, that they helped them get in the first place. That's what Castro did, that's what they all do.

• 1:56:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:56:03Joe Rogan?

  They use the leftists to get into positions of power, and then then once they take over, they kill everybody. Fuck you!

• 1:56:10Speaker 04

  Okay, that's a fair argument that, that you're, that you're bringing out, how it could impact us.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  It's a wolf with a grandma outfit on.

• 1:56:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is.

• 1:56:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Big Mama's house.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's.

• 1:56:24Speaker 04

  Tyler Perry presents Marxism for Americans. But no, I hear that because I guess my initial thing initially was like, yo, if you guys want free speech, fight for it. Like, we fought for it. Like, people shed blood for it. They constantly are fighting for it, nonstop. You guys go fight for it.

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  Vote those people out first.

• 1:56:43Speaker 04

  No, no, no, I don't, I don't mean.

• 1:56:44Joe Rogan?

  That's one of the problems, like saying that.

• 1:56:46Speaker 04

  If I say that, then nothing. I meant for like, America, like, as a nation-state, has constantly fought to maintain this thing and went through incredibly difficult times to do it because it's like a core tenet to our belief and our identity. And if other countries want that, they have to put in that same effort through politics. I'm not saying go be violent or anything like that.

• 1:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. But the way we fought for it was like, we fought for it.

• 1:57:08Speaker 04

  We banged out.

• 1:57:09Joe Rogan?

  It was like, yeah.

• 1:57:10Speaker 04

  We banged out.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  It got rough.

• 1:57:11Speaker 04

  But we're wild boys. That's why I'm not worried about like, in, like, we are the collection of the craziest people on the planet.

• 1:57:18Joe Rogan?

  Bro, England used to be the wildest motherfuckers on earth. One island took over most of the world.

• 1:57:25Speaker 04

  And now they're just arguing with wigs on. Like, what the fuck happened? Do you know what I mean? Like, does this happen in every country?

• 1:57:33Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the guy with the wig that sentenced the guy to 20 months of custodial service?

• 1:57:37Speaker 04

  He got the little George Washington.

• 1:57:38Joe Rogan?

  Because he was complaining about immigrants? Have you ever, have you seen that video?

• 1:57:42Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:57:42Joe Rogan?

  But it is the craziest video because it's 2025 or 2024, and it's a guy wearing a wig who's sentencing a guy for a 20-month sentence, who just made a post criticizing immigrants.

• 1:57:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, what was he saying about the immigrants?

• 1:57:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was talking about these gangs of guys are coming in from the places they bombed the fuck out of. Because that's the real problem.

• 1:58:05Speaker 04

  They wouldn't be upset at all.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:06Speaker 04

  Why would they be worried about it?

• 1:58:08Joe Rogan?

  Listen, you gotta listen to this guy. See if you can find that video of that guy. Because it's him wearing the wig is so crazy.

• 1:58:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:58:14Joe Rogan?

  And while he's saying something that's so insane in the age of the internet, and it's on TikTok? Like, this is like.

• 1:58:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't care what they cut out of it. Like, just him saying it, I don't care what context it is. He's reading off the guy's tweets and then saying, "Because of what you said, I have no choice but to sentence you to jail." Yeah. "People to participate in attacks on a hotel housing asylum seekers." Comments that encouraged, was over comments that encouraged, "Every man and their dog should be smashing the fuck out of Britannia Hotel." Uh, the judge quotes one of his Parler posts responding to a user who said, "I'm down if you are a lad." So that he was starting, oh, so he was inciting violence. I mean, don't tell people to go hurt people.

• 1:59:07Joe Rogan?

  "Your motivation became clear when you informed the police you promoted the idea of attacking the Britannia Hotels, a result of anger and frustration and immigration problems in the country." So what was his post, though? Oh, this is, "You want to say that you do not want your money going to immigrants who rape our kids and get priority." The judge later said, "The overall effect of your post was to incite violence toward the building and therefore towards those in the hotel." "It was not only the refugees and asylum seekers who were likely to be affected by your post, but also the hotel managers, the night porters, and those who worked within the hotel." That's actually reasonable. That, in that case, I see what you're saying. Um, I don't, yeah, so incitement to violence is illegal even in America, right? Like, it's like, it's a different thing than just freedom of speech. Yeah. So that's, that is different.

• 1:59:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you shouldn't tell people to hurt people. The guy wearing the wig. Yeah, it makes it look insane. It's like, what, what, what, like, you have to have a special outfit for me to take you seriously? Because if you're just like a regular guy and you're saying, uh, you were inciting violence, and then the guy go, "Yeah, but do you know what the people in that hotel did? Let me tell you what they've done. Let me tell you, those, those, they have raped underage girls, they have grooming gangs, they live there, they're getting priority, they're getting paid our money, they're on the dole." Like, you could even have a conversation. This guy's yelling out to the abyss on Parler because he doesn't know where else to go, and this guy's going, "Well, the solution to that is I put you in a cage." Yeah, yeah. Look at that, it was on his wig. Put it, put the, put the thing on so you can hear this.

• 2:00:32Speaker 06

  ...of the taxes hardworking people earn when it could be put to better use.

• 2:00:39Speaker 06

  Come over here with no work visa, no trade to their name, and sit down and dos. And then there's more people being put out homeless each year. They get top band priority on housing. You went on to say that you did not want your money going to immigrants who quote, "rape our kids and get priority", end quote. Although you said that you had no intention of carrying out any act of violence, there can be no doubt that you were inciting others to do so.

• 2:01:21Speaker 06

  Otherwise, why post the comment? You expressed remorse, but by that time, it was too late. For the offence of publishing written material in order to stir up racial hatred, there are sentencing guidelines which I must and will follow. The maximum sentence is seven years imprisonment. In my judgment, this comes close to harm category one. However, for the purposes of this sentence, I will treat you as falling into category two,

• 2:02:00Speaker 06

  since there was no direct encouragement towards activity which threatens or endangers life. However, you fall towards the top of category two. For a category two A offence, the starting point is two years imprisonment with a range between one and four years custody. In mitigation, I take into account your plea of guilty, for which you will receive full credit of one-third, following your earlier admissions. I take account of the contents of the references from your mother, friend and employer.

• 2:02:42Speaker 06

  These can only be of limited value in the current circumstances, as can the contents of the pre-sentence report. I take account too of your expression of remorse, your lack of convictions which are racially aggravated.

• 2:03:02Speaker 06

  As is recognized on your behalf, this offense is so serious that an immediate custodial sentence is unavoidable.

• 2:03:13Speaker 06

  The sentence that I pass has been reduced by one-third to reflect your guilty plea. The sentence is one of twenty months imprisonment.

• 2:03:23Speaker 06

  In response to-

• 2:03:24Speaker 04

  This is-

• 2:03:24Joe Rogan?

  We get it.

• 2:03:25Speaker 04

  This is tricky because the guy did incite violence, but-

• 2:03:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:29Speaker 04

  You shouldn't be doing it. You know?

• 2:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:32Speaker 04

  You shouldn't be doing it.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  I think a lot of people are very naive of what the impact of a post if they're an anonymous person.

• 2:03:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, they're very naive of how that's gonna be perceived and, you know, they're just venting like they would be venting at the barber shop. Right? If they're hanging out the barber shop, like, fuck those people, someone should go over there and kick their ass.

• 2:03:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:03:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, people are looking for- People also looking for community, they're looking to feel like validated in their beliefs, like-

• 2:04:02Joe Rogan?

  It also pretty, it is pretty wild that these people are coming over to Europe and even to America as a direct result of military campaigns.

• 2:04:10Speaker 04

  So that, that's the other thing I found so funny is that like-

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  They're not going over there because where they live is awesome.

• 2:04:16Speaker 04

  And like, there's reasons why it's not awesome.

• 2:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:04:19Speaker 04

  And there needs to be a little accountability for that. Like, I heard even like, British comedians, they were like, you know, shitting on, uh, you know, doing the Saudi or even like, uh, uh, shows in the Middle East and they're like, "They, they employ people at slave wages, etcetera, build it." And it's just like, "Guys, I wonder what happened. I wonder what country did something to India back in the day that created a scenario where those people might have to leave their country to get a job, to afford, to provide food for their whole families back in India." I wonder, I wonder what country might have plundered India and stripped it of all of its wealth for fucking, I don't even know how long, that created this scenario. Like, you can't just remove yourself from that.

• 2:05:02Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever read that book about that one corporation?

• 2:05:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, what is it? The, uh, that, that basically, that, that turned India into a country, like a factory, essentially?

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, literally.

• 2:05:12Speaker 04

  Well, what was it? Was that not a-

• 2:05:13Joe Rogan?

  God, I forget the name. I read the book a while ago.

• 2:05:16Speaker 04

  I saw like a YouTube video on this.

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, I should say I listened to it. I listened to the book a while ago. I can't remember the name of that corporation.

• 2:05:22Speaker 04

  Jamie, you gotta hold us down.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  It is a crazy story, though. And that's England. So, you guys, your ancestor did it, you know? It's, the chickens have come home to roost.

• 2:05:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, it doesn't mean that you have to be okay with it. But you have to at least be understanding of like how this scenario was created.

• 2:05:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, clearly they're letting them in. And they're letting them in and the thing is like, oh, we've gotta do something to stop this violence. Now we have Rise of East India Company, that's it. The anarchy, the relentless rise of the East India Company, crazy book.

• 2:05:57Speaker 04

  Oh dude.

• 2:05:57Joe Rogan?

  And it's all, it's all real.

• 2:06:00Speaker 04

  Like what fucking Leopold did to the Congo?

• 2:06:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh god.

• 2:06:03Speaker 04

  It's like 25 million people.

• 2:06:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh god, yeah. The Congo thing is nuts, man, because a bunch of these settlers thought that they were gonna live in the Congo and they set up these beautiful mansions.

• 2:06:12Speaker 04

  And the forest just.

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  They just swallowed it up.

• 2:06:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 2:06:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:16Speaker 04

  It just let them know you're not welcome.

• 2:06:17Joe Rogan?

  One of the truly wild places in the world.

• 2:06:20Speaker 04

  There's still images of these places, these like, uh, Elizabethan, is that the type of architecture? That are just completely swallowed.

• 2:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Swallowed by the jungle.

• 2:06:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:06:29Joe Rogan?

  And what's crazy is the wildest part of the world is where we need to go to get the minerals to make the batteries in your cellphone.

• 2:06:35Speaker 04

  Maybe that's why it's the wildest?

• 2:06:37Joe Rogan?

  But it, no, no, no, it was always wild. It's wild because it's like inhospitable. I mean, they have the largest chimpanzees in the world there. They have those Bondo apes there in the Congo.

• 2:06:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:06:47Joe Rogan?

  This place called Beale.

• 2:06:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  They have this one subset of chimpanzees that's really large.

• 2:06:51Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  And they call them lion killers. They have two different types of chimps that the locals describe, tree beaters and lion killers. Lion killers, they sleep on the ground like gorillas. They don't give a fuck. They don't have to hide in trees.

• 2:07:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:07:04Joe Rogan?

  They're like, come get me bitch. They're like six foot tall, upright chimpanzees. Like, you know that Michael Crichton book Congo? Do you ever?

• 2:07:11Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 2:07:12Joe Rogan?

  He, they made a movie.

• 2:07:13Speaker 04

  Crichton's Jurassic Park?

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Crichton made a movie, it was kind of a goofy movie, about the Congo. And the Congo, in the movie, there's these like gray chimpanzees that are huge. And obviously that's not real.

• 2:07:25Speaker 04

  But that's what they're based on.

• 2:07:26Joe Rogan?

  But it's based on this one subset of chimpanzees that actually has a crest on its skull like a gorilla. So, you know, gorillas have such large mandible, because all they eat is vegetables, that they have this, this is the Michael Crichton movie, it was kinda goofy, look at these big silly gorillas.

• 2:07:43Speaker 04

  Oh wow.

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  And they fucked this dude up. They look so bad.

• 2:07:47Speaker 04

  Oh wow.

• 2:07:47Joe Rogan?

  But the book is a lot better. But in reality, there's a thing called the Bondo ape. And there's a, I guess he's a Swedish or Swiss wildlife photographer named Carl Armand, who became obsessed with this animal. And started catching it in camera traps and there was photos of these guys that, see if you can find the photo of the guys at the airport where they shot one. So these guys, look at this, these guys, but that's not it. No, no, no. The one, that one above it. No, no, yeah, that it, that's it. Look at the size of that fucking thing. Look at the size of that thing. It's like a gorilla sized chimpanzee. And there's different photos of them on camera traps where they're.

• 2:08:29Speaker 04

  Holy shit. No, no, that's a, that's a.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  That's an orangutan, I think.

• 2:08:33Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Or a gorilla. Um, but they have video of these things now. They know that they're a subset of chimpanzees. That's not a really big one. That's, it looks like it's just a big chimp. But the idea is that this place is like rugged. I mean, this is, is leopards and.

• 2:08:51Speaker 04

  But like, Joe, there's a lot of rugged places. I, I just feel like when there's a place that's resource rich, there's gonna be a lot of conflict around it.

• 2:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, one, well, that's the Amazon too.

• 2:08:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Same kind of situation, like really wild pristine jungle. And then people are hacking it down because they're, they wanna make cattle farms and, you know, log.

• 2:09:09Speaker 04

  But like, isn't it to the best interests of the parties that are invested in the resources there? For there not to be social cohesion? Like, it's easier to manage if everybody's fighting because if there is social cohesion, you have a, a situation like, what is it, Rhodesia? Which just basically goes, hey, we're gonna be a great country, by the way. And we're gonna, you know, take back our mining rights and, uh, we're gonna make sure that we own our resources and then we're gonna educate our people and we're gonna have a high GDP. Like, it's a pretty amazing story. It's tied into it and like, they're like, okay, well, we can't let that happen in the cargo. We gotta keep this shit a little bit chaotic.

• 2:09:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:09:43Speaker 04

  Because aren't there like, especially with the, uh, the battery stuff? Aren't there like only nine different mines for that? And like China owns seven or something?

• 2:09:51Joe Rogan?

  Something like that. I don't know how many mines there are, but China owns a bunch of them. And you know, that's, uh, Siddharth Kara wrote a book on it. He came in and he got undercover footage that shows these people with babies on their back, pulling cobalt out of the ground with like a mask over their face, like a bandana, to protect themselves from the toxic fumes.

• 2:10:09Speaker 04

  I'm performing that next week.

• 2:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Ayyyy.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  I look forward to David Cross's blog about it.

• 2:10:18Speaker 04

  My favorite posts. The people who are not invited and don't have to even go. But I really wouldn't. It's like, alright.

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  He probably wouldn't. David probably wouldn't, you know? Uh, but, there's a thing.

• 2:10:29Speaker 04

  We'll see.

• 2:10:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I remember when David Cross wrote a letter to, uh, Larry the Cable Guy. He was shitting on Larry the Cable Guy in like an open letter. And then the, like, the bottom of the post, it was like, "From New York City." He signed it like, "From New York City." David Cross, like.

• 2:10:47Speaker 04

  I saw him, I saw him getting upset that Norman farted on his podcast.

• 2:10:50Joe Rogan?

  That Mark Norman farted?

• 2:10:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, and like telling him that a fart isn't funny. Like, once I see you do that, I'm just like, what are we even talking about?

• 2:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Norman is funny, period.

• 2:10:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  So if he's funny and he also farts, okay, who cares?

• 2:11:02Speaker 04

  Well, also farts are funny. And Norman said, he's like, "That wasn't a joke, that was not funny." And then Norman says, "A sound came out of my butt."

• 2:11:12Speaker 04

  That's always funny. It's funny when a baby does it, it's funny when an adult does it.

• 2:11:16Joe Rogan?

  It's funny when a dog does it.

• 2:11:18Speaker 04

  What are we fucking talking about here, like, obviously?

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  It's funny, it's funny because you're like, "Oh, no!"

• 2:11:22Speaker 04

  And then he just dropped the N-word on the pod, and, uh, not Norman, Cross. And then Norman's like, Norman's like, "You gonna cut that out?" He's like, "No, you don't have to cut it out, it has the AH." And it's like, "Oh, well, thank you, white guy. You tell us what N-words we're allowed to say."

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:11:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can tell us where the comedians are not allowed to perform, but you tell, you tell the black community what N-words you're allowed to say.

• 2:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of hilarious. You know, there's a, a hard N-word in Bob Dylan's Hurricane.

• 2:11:50Joe Rogan?

  You know that song, The Hurricane? About Ruben Carter?

• 2:11:52Speaker 04

  I got a little hurricane story you wanna hear?

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:11:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:11:54Joe Rogan?

  You met that guy?

• 2:11:55Speaker 04

  No. My, uh, my dad interviewed his lawyer.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  Reuben Carter's lawyer?

• 2:12:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:12:03Speaker 04

  And uh, his lawyer says, uh, his lawyer says, uh, "Off the record?" My dad goes, "Yeah." He goes,

• 2:12:12Joe Rogan?

  "He did that shit."

• 2:12:19Speaker 04

  I probably shouldn't even say that. I probably shouldn't even say it right now. But the lawyer just tells my dad, he's like, "Yeah, off the record."

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  He made it all racial and...

• 2:12:27Speaker 04

  He did it.

• 2:12:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's hilarious.

• 2:12:30Speaker 04

  Who knows? Maybe the lawyer's wrong.

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Or maybe he's right.

• 2:12:33Speaker 04

  Maybe he's right? Good song.

• 2:12:37Joe Rogan?

  Didn't they have a movie about it?

• 2:12:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, and in the movie, there's like a really racist cop that's like targeting him through the whole movie, and apparently the guy was a total construct.

• 2:12:47Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 2:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There wasn't like one cop who was like really interested, who was chasing him. They used it as a vehicle to push the storyline, which I always think is gross when you're doing something about a historical person.

• 2:13:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:13:02Joe Rogan?

  I think that's gross.

• 2:13:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

  But if you're gonna, you have an obligation though. If you're making a movie about a historical person, you can't have a character that moves your plot along that didn't exist.

• 2:13:14Speaker 04

  I mean...

• 2:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Cause now you're changing history for a lot of dumbasses who don't read a book.

• 2:13:18Speaker 04

  But I mean, that's what the people who-

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Which is most of us.

• 2:13:20Speaker 04

  That's what the people who fucking, you know, dictate what history is. You know, I was talking, I was talking to-

• 2:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Sort of, but they're just doing it to make the movie better.

• 2:13:29Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly. They're doing it, that's their, their, their responsibility is to make money.

• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:33Speaker 04

  I was talking to Shane about this, and we were just talking about like, like, uh, ancient history. He's like, "Yeah, I don't fuck with the ancient history." And I'm like, "Why not?" He goes, "Nobody really knows what fucking Augustus said to this guy." Like, people are just making it up and like writing it down afterwards. He's like, "You really kind of barely even know what happened 50 years ago, or like 100 years ago." And I think that's one of the reasons why if you get into like antiquity, it's so interesting, because it's just been like mythologized.

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:58Speaker 04

  So everything is so much more remarkable and amazing, and like people are so much more resilient, because they've been retelling the story for 2,000 years. If you want people to listen to that story, you gotta make it interesting.

• 2:14:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. No doubt. Yeah, you gotta make it interesting. And the, the thing is also you have to remember it, and then you have to tell it to people before anybody even figures out how to write things down.

• 2:14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  So they're, they're saying it for a thousand years before they even write it down.

• 2:14:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:14:22Joe Rogan?

  That's my issue with the Bible. I think the Bible is a historical account of something. Yeah. And I think one of the real problems with the Bible is as you get older and older with the Bible, things get weirder and weirder. So it's like, what was the original story? Like, if you get to the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Dead Sea Scrolls are bananas. And there's stuff in the Dead Sea Scrolls, like if you get, like, I had Rep. Luna, you know, Anna Paulina Luna on the podcast, and she was talking to me about the Book of Enoch. She goes, "You ever read that?" But that's not included in the canonized. Here's why, because of rabbis, a bunch of rabbis said it didn't align with the Torah. And so they yanked it out.

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  But it's an original biblical text, or at least a part of the original religious text that they found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, in Qumran. When they found those clay tablets, the Book of Enoch was in there, along with the Book of Isaiah. We need to call Wes Huff. The Book of Enoch is nuts. I talked to Wes Huff about it. That's the Giants one, right? It's not just the Giants, it's aliens. It's about the watchers who came down and mated with human beings. Bro, I'm reading it right now. I know you are, I already know. Bananas. It's, she told me to read it. And she was like, she's like, "You have to read this, it's nuts." And what did Wes Huff say? Did he say there's a legitimacy? Yeah, it's 100% a legitimate text. It's legitimate religious text.

• 2:15:40Joe Rogan?

  But they decided not to include it because it's so nuts and because it goes against, like, the writings of the Torah. Right, right. But it was a few rabbis, just a few rabbis decided. Like, if the Book of Enoch was included in the Bible, Yeah. It changes the whole story of the human race. Why would the rabbis decide what goes into the Christian? Because back then, they had that kind of power. They just decided that it doesn't get included in the canon. This is a long time ago. But yeah, I mean, this is like around, well, who decided to canonize Bible, right? This is like Constantine time, right? Well, that's for the New Testament, right? And so with the Old Testament, you've got a, Wes Huff would be the guy to ask all these questions. Oh, wait, Enoch was included in the Old Testament? Oh, it's old as fuck. Okay, got it, got it, got it. Not only is it old as fuck, when they found it, they also found a version of the Book of Isaiah. This is one of the things that Wes Huff told me that was really fascinating.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  They found a version of the Book of Isaiah that is verbatim, the same as a version of Isaiah that was a thousand years later, which they thought was the original. Unbelievable. That's what's crazy. For 1,000 years, they maintained the exact same story verbatim, writing it down and passing it on. And the Book of Enoch's in there with that. And the Book of Enoch is bananas. Yeah, I think we might need to do a little deep dive on the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch, it says that these watchers came down and mated with human beings and created a race of giants called the Nephilim. Yeah. Who consumed and destroyed everything in front of them. Gee, that sounds like people. Yeah. That sounds a lot like people. Yeah.

• 2:17:10Joe Rogan?

  If you got a bunch of little chimps and then you got these tall aliens. Yeah. And they make a fucking seven foot man. Yeah. You know, a Viking, who's like chopping off heads and lighting villages on fire. Yeah. And has this undesirable, unstoppable desire for conquest. That's humans. The Nephilim sounds like humans. Like, yeah, exactly. So they're not giants. We are the giants. And then what if the other folks? They might have been giants. Like, it's, it's hard to say. But what if the other folks were the Neanderthals? Because there was a time where we're living together, right? Right. Well, they were here before us, allegedly. Well, this, the question is like, where did humans come from? Yeah. This is the real question. There's a really interesting show on PBS right now called Human, where this lady goes on this journey of, uh, it's like, she's, uh, what is her degree in?

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  Is she an anthropologist? I believe she's an anthropologist. But, um, or maybe some sort of biologist, but she, she goes over the history of the human species. It's very interesting. The migration from across the Bering land bridge. Yeah. Into North America. When the oldest people started coming here, where they, how they came here. Fascinating stuff. But that's one of those things, like, if you think ancient history is filled with horse shit, like, ancient hu- human history, like, of the, the humans, uh, that's the woman's name. I don't want to fuck up her name. Ella Al Shamahi. And, um, it's on BBC and PBS. Really good show. I just started watching. She's a paleontologist.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  Great in genetics and taxonomy and biodiversity. Um, but... They just found recently a human skull that pushes the date of humans back another 500,000 years.

• 2:18:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:18:52Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, all they know is what they find in the fossil record, and there's so little fossil record.

• 2:18:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:18:57Joe Rogan?

  And then they keep finding new things.

• 2:18:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, they just found Denisovans in like 2010, like, whoa.

• 2:19:02Speaker 04

  What's that?

• 2:19:03Joe Rogan?

  What's this? Total new branch of the human tree.

• 2:19:06Speaker 04

  It's called Denisovans.

• 2:19:06Joe Rogan?

  Denisovans.

• 2:19:07Speaker 04

  Denisovans.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they found like a bunch of teeth, I think, in Asia, and they're like, what the fuck is this? And then, so, or maybe it was Russia. So, there's that, there's the one that they found in China, the big head people.

• 2:19:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the one I was always, yeah.

• 2:19:21Joe Rogan?

  That's real recent. I forget what that one's called. We've done this a million times, but I always forget. But, so they're always finding these new versions of humans, so how many of them really were there? But if, if there's a bunch of science experiments, if aliens are coming down and like, let's try them where they're short and really powerful and they only eat meat. And that's Neanderthals, like, stop, this one's not a good design. This is not a good design. We need them a little more frail so they invent things.

• 2:19:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Cause the, the brutes don't invent anything.

• 2:19:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, more frontal cortex.

• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the, well, the Neanderthals had bigger brains than us. That's what's interesting.

• 2:19:57Speaker 04

  So then what part of our brain was specifically different?

• 2:20:00Joe Rogan?

  See, we have a very, um, we, we, our idea of them is that they're dumb. And they, they couldn't talk, and that they're brutes. But it doesn't seem like that's true. In fact, it seems like they had art, they definitely had tools, and they had language. And they might have been as smart as us. They were just different. And maybe us being a little weaker is what made us smarter. You know?

• 2:20:25Speaker 04

  Or made us work collectively.

• 2:20:27Joe Rogan?

  Maybe we're a little more alien, just a touch.

• 2:20:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Uh, there's a little too much salt in that stew. Let's add a touch more of us. And, you know, it seems like the hairy, you know, five foot seven, 200 pound fucking savages with big eyes that might be able to see at night. Cause it looks like they might have had night vision. They have huge eyeballs, man. The Neanderthal eye sockets way bigger than ours. Their skull's thicker, their bones are more dense. They might have had night vision, like a dog. You know how dogs, their eyes glow when the headlights hit them? They might have had that same ability.

• 2:21:03Speaker 04

  Hmm, I mean, yeah, I don't know why.

• 2:21:06Joe Rogan?

  That design's too, that design's too sketchy.

• 2:21:08Speaker 04

  It's just not working.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  They can see at night.

• 2:21:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:10Joe Rogan?

  And then they go hunting other people. This is too much.

• 2:21:13Speaker 04

  But then we hunted them.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Maybe. We might have just fucked them.

• 2:21:16Speaker 04

  I also heard we fucked them. Yeah, you had that joke, right? You're like, I got a little bit of, yeah.

• 2:21:21Joe Rogan?

  One more time with the monkey.

• 2:21:25Speaker 04

  But in terms of like the stories, like, alright, you know what, you know when a comic gets offstage and like, they think they killed, but they bombed?

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:32Speaker 04

  Like, there could be people telling those stories in the books.

• 2:21:38Joe Rogan?

  There could be.

• 2:21:38Speaker 04

  Like, meaning, what, their rendition of what happened?

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:21:43Speaker 04

  Is in the book and that is what they truly believed happened. They might not even be delusional. They're, I mean, they are delusional, but like, that's what they saw and that's what happened to them.

• 2:21:51Joe Rogan?

  And history is always written by the winners.

• 2:21:53Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Uh, my version of the Bible story back in the day, I used to have this bit about Noah's ark. I was like, the problem with the Bible is people are full of shit and that story sucks.

• 2:22:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:22:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's that simple. It's like, people lie all the time. I've never met any politician or any person who's in charge of anything.

• 2:22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:22:12Joe Rogan?

  That's like really important that I would say never lies. So if you're back then where there's zero accountability, zero video, zero anything, they can't even write.

• 2:22:21Speaker 04

  Well, that's where the cross-referencing makes sense, right? It's like, that's when you got a bunch of different people saying the same thing or similar things. You start to go, okay, maybe this, this did happen. But I don't know, there's something, there is something about it, you know, like every time I go to church and like whatever, something about the music. I get like emotional and I've tried to like reflect on it and understand like what it is. I don't know if it's like seeing people submit to this power that's greater than them. I don't, there's just like, I get really emotional about it. I don't know what the hell it is.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a combined, shared experience that you're having with all the people that are in that building, too.

• 2:22:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:22:59Joe Rogan?

  There's something to that.

• 2:23:01Speaker 04

  And I'm just like watching, yeah, like maybe it's, like maybe I'm a little cynical and skeptical. And like, I can get caught up in the raw emotion of submitting to something that you cannot control. And maybe there's a part of me that, that really kind of like envies that and wants to in the same way that like.

• 2:23:22Joe Rogan?

  But because you have a lot of control.

• 2:23:23Speaker 04

  I don't know if I have any, but like.

• 2:23:24Joe Rogan?

  No, you do. You have a lot of discipline.

• 2:23:27Speaker 04

  Discipline, yes.

• 2:23:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but a person like yourself, there's a lot of discipline and a lot of work ethic, that doesn't come without control over yourself.

• 2:23:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  And you want to submit and give into something sometimes.

• 2:23:35Speaker 04

  And there's something beautiful in that. And like seeing people do it so willingly, like I get fucking emotional. It's, yeah, it's, and, uh, yeah, I, I've, I've thought about it a lot. I don't know what it is, but it happens. Almost every time. And it's specifically with the music.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I think music is a very powerful thing. I mean, that's when we were playing What Up Gangsta? I mean, come on, man. Like, we were both on a drug.

• 2:23:57Speaker 04

  Dude, there's a.

• 2:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Your whole body starts moving. You're like, oh, come on.

• 2:24:00Speaker 04

  I was talking to this guy, he's a photographer for, um, F1, he's been doing for like 30 years. And, uh, he, you know, he's been to, he literally takes off one race a year to go to like this music festival. He just loves music. And like, I asked him if he saw Oasis, because you know Oasis is, is back. And, um, you're a fan of Oasis?

• 2:24:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love them.

• 2:24:19Speaker 04

  And what's so interesting is happening like with, with Oasis specifically is, uh, right now, we don't live in like the monoculture anymore. You know, like there's a thousand different silos and everybody thinks that like the thing happening in their world is the most important thing. There's no like universal new rock star. Like Justin Bieber might have been like the last person that was like a musician that everybody knows. There's a K-pop band that none of us can name the guys.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, and they sell out arenas.

• 2:24:42Speaker 04

  Exactly, but like, back in the day, especially when we were growing up, there were bands that were just Metallica like performing in Russia, you know, like these things were just kind of, there was a monoculture. And then the internet has divided that and that just is what it is. But what's kind of interesting is I feel like people are, the people who did experience monoculture, they're going back to these like nostalgic events. It's like why existing IP movies are the only movies that work, right? It's like, they want to feel those moments when we all were experiencing the same thing at the same time. And like, I'm seeing these like Oasis clips, like all my boy, I was on a show, but all my boys went to go see Oasis and like. There's a really interesting thing. The, uh, the lead singer, I guess, is it Noel or Liam is the lead singer? I'm such like a casual.

• 2:25:27Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter. Like, he's just wearing a tracksuit. Like, he's just wearing like fucking like the motherf- and like, to me, I'm like, that's the most rock star shit. Wearing the big flamboyant thing was rock star when everybody was wearing suits. But now that everybody is big flamboyant, just showing up in a fucking hoodie to your fucking stadium show? It just lets you know, like, I'll do whatever.

• 2:25:49Joe Rogan?

  Gonna be the day when we're gonna throw it back to you.

• 2:25:51Speaker 04

  Hundred thousand people at the same time waving. Yeah, I don't know, I like.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, what a song.

• 2:26:04Speaker 03

  That will? For real?

• 2:26:07Speaker 04

  We're that good, we're that good at singing.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  So what do we have to do? Cut that part out? Yeah, let's cut that part. We were just singing an Oasis song. Unfortunately, you can't hear it because of tyranny!

• 2:26:17Speaker 04

  Tyranny!

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  And fascism!

• 2:26:19Speaker 04

  But it's, I don't know, like.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  I love comics throwing out that word, too. That's a funny one, throwing out fascism.

• 2:26:23Speaker 04

  Nobody even knows what that fucking word means. That's the most annoying thing. Nobody knows the definition of that shit.

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  There's a few people online that are like political, uh, debaters that know the definition of that word. But what it is, is like, you're bad.

• 2:26:37Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're bad.

• 2:26:38Speaker 04

  You're an asshole. I'm gonna call you an asshole politically.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  These dudes are bad.

• 2:26:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I wanna sound smart when I'm calling you an asshole. I disagree with the things that you're doing, so I'm gonna use this word that neither of us really know the definition of. Cause if you call me fascist, I can't really say I'm not, cause I don't know what the fuck that shit is.

• 2:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the problem with like things like Antifa. Well, of course you're anti-fascist.

• 2:27:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a pretty good thing.

• 2:27:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like the patriot act.

• 2:27:03Speaker 04

  Aren't we all?

• 2:27:04Joe Rogan?

  Patriot, take my rights! Of course I'm a patriot, take away my rights!

• 2:27:09Speaker 04

  It's like every time a politician like pushes a bill that's like the don't hurt women bill.

• 2:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:27:14Speaker 04

  You know, but all it is is like tax incentives for some group, and now you-

• 2:27:18Joe Rogan?

  Why Trump is so ridiculous, the big beautiful bill.

• 2:27:21Speaker 04

  It's just like, everything is marketed like, why would, you're gonna be too big.

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  It's beautiful! It's big!

• 2:27:28Speaker 04

  But that's the, that's the political game, man.

• 2:27:31Joe Rogan?

  It's a stupid fucking game.

• 2:27:32Speaker 04

  Bro, it is.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  And it's a stupid game to base your entire personality and identity about.

• 2:27:37Speaker 04

  That is the...

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  That's the weird part.

• 2:27:38Speaker 04

  And people do.

• 2:27:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, it's everything.

• 2:27:40Speaker 04

  People do.

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  And they're, they're in a life or death struggle every four years, like, settle down.

• 2:27:45Speaker 04

  Cause it's a zero-sum game. Power is a zero-sum game.

• 2:27:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:48Speaker 04

  Right? It's just like, if I think that this person's gonna completely change my life and completely strip me of everything I have, anybody that supports that person and that person are completely evil.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:00Speaker 04

  And then once you think someone's evil, you can do anything to them.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, the people that have an argument about that are Mexican immigrants. Especially the children of Mexican immigrants who maybe their family, maybe they're illegal because they were born here, but their parents aren't, and they're realizing their parents might get kicked out, like, that's scary.

• 2:28:16Speaker 04

  It's fucked up.

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  That's scary.

• 2:28:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't like the ICE stuff at all.

• 2:28:19Joe Rogan?

  It's not just bad, it's bad for them, and I don't know how they don't realize that this is the worst look ever.

• 2:28:26Speaker 04

  It's, it's also a bad look for ICE.

• 2:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:30Speaker 04

  Like, ICE itself is a very important institution.

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:33Speaker 04

  Like, you want to make sure that you have a government program that can enforce the borders, and also, like, remove people that are here illegally, especially people that are doing criminal activity. Like, this is an institution that we shouldn't malign, this is one that we should be proud of, this is a good thing. But then when every video coming out is like seeing these people being like torn, their families and all this kind of stuff, it's like, yeah, you're gonna have a lot of animosity towards these groups. And I know we're having this conversation right now, there's already people getting a video going, "Well, this is what you guys wanted." And this is like...

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:29:02Speaker 04

  One of the things I actually talked to Trump about is like, how can we not do this? Like, what can we do? How do we have these people living here for fucking 10 years, and they're paying taxes? Like, why don't we give them a pathway to citizenship? And I specifically was like, yo, you own hotels, you've employed these people.

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:29:17Speaker 04

  You know they're good people.

• 2:29:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:29:18Speaker 04

  Like, if you, like, we're entertainers, like, we work in fucking restaurants. You know what I mean? Like, we know, we work with these people, and you see them grinding, like... I don't know. Yeah, that's a very frustrating thing.

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  I think their problem with it is multifaceted, but I think one of the issues is the way the census works. Because the way the census works, you get congressional seats based on the amount of people that live in an area, regardless of whether or not those people are citizens. So, yeah, isn't that nuts? So if you have import, so like you say, if you import.

• 2:29:49Speaker 04

  How do you prove that they're there then if they're illegal?

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  Because you get, not, the census doesn't check to see your legality. It just counts the number of people that live in residence.

• 2:29:56Speaker 04

  But how do you count it? Like, they have to fill the census out, right? Why would they fill it out if they're here illegally?

• 2:30:01Joe Rogan?

  Um, that's a good question, but it's, they know. They know based on employment, they know. It's like, there's a bunch of different, uh, points of, of data that they get it from. That's a good question, but the point is, it doesn't matter if they're illegal. So if you fill out a census and you're illegal, it doesn't matter. It's, it just matters how many people are in this area, and that dictates how many congressional seats you get. So if you can import a bunch of people, also if you encourage these people to fill out the census because it's politically beneficial to your party. Right? Especially if you help those people get in.

• 2:30:34Speaker 04

  That's interesting.

• 2:30:35Joe Rogan?

  So if you invited them into this country, actually flew them out to that place, put them up in hotels, that kind of deal. Then you can get more congressional seats because you have more human beings.

• 2:30:43Speaker 04

  So that's the argument. Like, a lot of people chalk it up to, uh, they're giving these people voting rights, and it's like, no, that's not what's happening. They're actually increasing the amount of representatives you could have in a certain district.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  They are, but then, we went over this yesterday, in Tim Walz's state in Minnesota.

• 2:30:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  They actually passed a law where they give them driver's licenses, and they could use those driver's licenses to vote. It's not legal, but someone could break the law and do it with those driver's licenses. The problem is, they know that some people have. There definitely have been instances where illegal aliens have voted for whatever election.

• 2:31:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:31:21Joe Rogan?

  So, the question is. Did they move them there for congressional seats? Did they move them there for cheap labor? Did they move them there because if they they pay for these people and give them ABT cards? And then eventually they devise a pathway to citizenship if they get like a Democrat in in four years? We have to take care of our community regardless of whether you if you're a good person, a hardworking person. We want you to join Team America. And that's how I feel. That's how I feel. And so then all of a sudden, those people who you gave got in, gave EBT cards, put them up in the Roosevelt. Now those people are voting.

• 2:31:58Speaker 04

  Right, and obviously they're gonna vote for the people who have protected them and

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:32:01Speaker 04

  And I wouldn't blame them for that at all.

• 2:32:03Joe Rogan?

  Especially now. This is why it's politically dangerous for the Republicans. Because this support of ICE and seeing that, that you just lost the whole Latino base, right?

• 2:32:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:32:12Joe Rogan?

  Except the hardcore Cubans, so don't give a fuck.

• 2:32:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck out of here.

• 2:32:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  We ain't voting Democrat.

• 2:32:17Speaker 04

  That was the joke I had is like the second they put their foot on dry land, they're like, we gotta stop this immigration. This is this is too much, guy. This is too much.

• 2:32:26Joe Rogan?

  Especially from communist countries. Get the fuck out of here with those ideas.

• 2:32:29Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 2:32:30Joe Rogan?

  They've experienced communism and that's why they embrace materialism. Cubans love Cuban links, big ass gold chains to let a motherfucker know I got some cheddar.

• 2:32:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, like, cause in their country, like, you get what they give you and that's it.

• 2:32:44Speaker 04

  I heard a I heard a good quote. You know, you know, Carlos Slim is? You've heard of Carlos Slim? He's like a telecommunications magnate. He's the wealthiest guy in Mexico, but they own all over the world. He's like, you know, super billionaire. And apparently, you know, this is a secondhand, but like, he's this guy who I don't know what he looks like, but I'm aware of his name. He's incredibly powerful, incredibly successful.

• 2:33:07Joe Rogan?

  What a great name.

• 2:33:08Speaker 04

  Carlos, amazing, right? And it sounds like a pool player, right?

• 2:33:12Joe Rogan?

  It sounds like he's related to Iceberg.

• 2:33:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:33:14Joe Rogan?

  The guy who wrote the the Pip book?

• 2:33:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:33:17Joe Rogan?

  He wrote a book on Pippin.

• 2:33:18Speaker 04

  That book is terrifying. Like, I was like, how do I make sure these guys don't meet my wife? You know what I mean? It's fucking horrifying, that book. But, but yeah, he had an interesting thing about like, I'm always impressed by these guys who have all this power, but they don't want any of the limelight. Like, I don't know what he looks like, but I know the name and I know he's involved in everything.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:39Speaker 04

  And apparently he said something like, um,

• 2:33:43Speaker 04

  Even billionaires can be new to money. Implying that like a lot of the guys that we see, we hear, the guys that are all over the place. Like, they're new to this and they, on some level, want it to be known that they got it.

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:58Speaker 04

  And the people who've maybe done it for, you know, legacy generations, they're like, you actually get yourself in more trouble the more people know.

• 2:34:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure. Right?

• 2:34:08Speaker 04

  But it's hard to like be broke and then get some money and not wanna flex it.

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, even if you don't wanna flex it, if you just have it, like if you're Jeff Bezos, you're out in the middle of the Caribbean, you know, with Lauren Sanchez chilling on a yacht, there's someone with a drone taking photos of you.

• 2:34:23Speaker 04

  You also do your wedding in Venice, like you wanna flex it.

• 2:34:25Joe Rogan?

  That was flexing.

• 2:34:26Speaker 04

  You wanna flex.

• 2:34:27Joe Rogan?

  That was her, I bet.

• 2:34:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  She was like, I wanna big.

• 2:34:30Speaker 04

  Oh wait, you don't think Jeff wanted to do his second wedding in Venice?

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  With a bunch of celebrities, invite every famous person on earth, the Kardashians show up.

• 2:34:39Speaker 04

  Met three times. You don't think he wanted that?

• 2:34:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Hilarious.

• 2:34:43Speaker 04

  But that's what happens, bro. So the wedding is the wife's.

• 2:34:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, and you kinda gotta go too. You're like, damn, we gotta go to Venice.

• 2:34:48Speaker 04

  Oh, I thought you were talking about Jeff going to his own wedding?

• 2:34:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, that too.

• 2:34:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. Do I have to go? This feels like your thing. Are you sure I have to do it?

• 2:34:55Joe Rogan?

  Have to support you in this venture?

• 2:34:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like if you get invited to that and you're like one of their fucking friends, you're like, oh, great. Yeah. Fly to Venice and be a part of the zoo.

• 2:35:05Speaker 04

  See, that's how you, that's like, that's how like kind of we would feel about it. But there are certain people who are like, I think they almost define themselves by those invitations.

• 2:35:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:35:19Joe Rogan?

  For what?

• 2:35:19Speaker 04

  I think I define myself on being able to miss the wedding.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's also a thing that we actually make stuff ourselves. Rather than have to get hired to go make us stuff. You know, like you'll do a movie occasionally if you want to, but you make your own comedy, you make your own podcast, you make your own stuff. When you're an actor and you don't make your own stuff and you gotta appear in other people's stuff, there's a whole different layer of bullshit that you have to dance with.

• 2:35:50Speaker 04

  There's a reliance.

• 2:35:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a reliance and then there's also like a currency of being current. You know, and you have.

• 2:35:58Speaker 04

  Being hot.

• 2:35:58Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep, yep, you gotta be a part of that, yeah. And that's when, you know, one of the things you see about comics that lash out at people, it's like, Maron's a good example of this, is like, once you've got no currency, that's when you start lashing out.

• 2:36:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  Because you gotta get attention some way.

• 2:36:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:36:15Joe Rogan?

  And you're not getting it through your art, so what's the, what's the way to get it? You have to figure out some way to be current, so find out what is current, and then shit all over it. And get the people who, who think Elon's a fuckwit, he's a fuckwit. Yeah, we get those people, and they're like, yeah, fuck Schulz, yeah, fuck Rogan, fuck everybody, but, yeah.

• 2:36:35Speaker 04

  I mean, that's the, that's gotta be the worst thing, is like, to be a comic that only gets attention when you talk about comedy.

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:44Speaker 04

  Like, you wanna get attention from your jokes. You want people to like you for the funny things you say.

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  Really interesting point that nobody else thought of.

• 2:36:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, hilarious, or something fucking stupid and silly that's hilarious, like, that's what we love.

• 2:36:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:56Speaker 04

  And like, that's what you actually really want. But like, when the only reason anybody's talking about you is because you're shitting on your colleagues.

• 2:37:03Joe Rogan?

  Right. Like, that's what's bothering you in the world.

• 2:37:06Speaker 04

  But I think, I think that's what happened with, just the whole, like, what's happening right now with the comedy economy, it's like, I think people are feeling, I think, I think young comics are probably feeling a little bit like, concerned that they don't know the way forward.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  Right. They also don't know whether or not they're being forced to participate in these pylons, or whether they should back off. And then they get pressure and they don't know what to do. I gotta cut young guys, and young women, a lot more slack than I do the OGs. These people that have been around for a long time, you should, you should know what it's like to be attacked. And you should know that this is not fair, it's not cool. And you also should, if you have an opinion on what these people are doing, with whatever, whether it's Riyadh, or whether they've...

• 2:37:48Joe Rogan?

  Have some kind of compassion for these people as human beings and as colleagues. And be charitable. Be charitable, that's what I try to do. I try to be very charitable when I talk about anybody that I'm not like in a like a real, serious, like a Marc Maron type thing with. Yeah. That guy, I'm like, fuck you. Yeah. You're, you're a problem. But he made his bed. Yeah, he made his, well, he made his bed and the Theo thing just really drove me crazy. Cause Theo is the sweetest fucking human being. I, I love him to death. You think that Maron wants to be talking about another comedian? Like, do you think that he's- The thing is, that's, you remember when comics would, all they'd talk about is like airline seats? And travel? It's cause that's all they knew, cause they were on the road every weekend.

• 2:38:33Joe Rogan?

  On the road constantly, that- Cause that's all they think about. That's all he thinks about, is other people doing better than him. So that's what he wants to attack. Naturally, the bits are gonna be about it. Where's your thoughts on Gaza? Oh, I haven't heard him say anything about that one. Kinda weird. Yeah. There was some crazy estimate, the, the, the, the actual official tally is like sixty, seven thousand people dead? But the- I think it's gonna be more than that, bro. Oh, there's, Stephen Dozenger, uh, had a, a thing on his page where there's some human rights group that estimates it to be as high as four hundred thousand. Yeah, cause I don't think they count missing as dead yet. No, I mean, there's no, there's no way they know. You look at all that rubble and bro, okay, so there's that. But then there's also what Hamas is doing right now. Yeah. In, in Gaza, which is crazy.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  These executions and tortures of people that they think collaborated with Israel. Yeah. Woo! Horrific, horrific. Me and Tommy Segura have a, a text thread that we go back and forth with literally the worst shit we find every day. It's like a trauma thread. Yeah. And, uh, I sent him one- Tom just needs to feel something, huh? Tom just needs to feel. I tried to help. He just needs to feel. That's why I sent him these things. You gotta show him the worst shit ever, and he's like, alright, I am human. Yeah, I sent him one, he was like, that one was rough. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, uh, they were breaking this guy's bones with boulders. Ah, jeez. They had this guy blindfolded and he was sitting down and they took this enormous rock- And threw it on his shin and snapped his shin in half.

• 2:40:00Joe Rogan?

  And this guy screaming and then they take his arm and they stretch his arm out and this guy hits it with his giant bat and crushes his arm.

• 2:40:08Speaker 04

  Nah, it's horrific.

• 2:40:09Joe Rogan?

  It is so crazy what they're doing and they're doing it on, you know, Samsung 4K video on a cellphone.

• 2:40:15Speaker 04

  And kids can see it.

• 2:40:16Joe Rogan?

  Anybody can see it. My kid saw the Charlie Kirk assassination.

• 2:40:18Speaker 04

  That's, bro.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like, I didn't wanna see it and then someone sent it to me. I think Tom sent it to me, actually. And I'm like, alright, let me see. And I watched, I was like, oh god damn.

• 2:40:30Speaker 04

  But that's, yeah, that's the, that's the tricky thing right now is cause I think that like, as far as we've been comedians, there's been like a clear path of how to make it. It didn't mean that it was accessible to everybody, but like, when you're growing up, I'm sure it's like, get an HBO special.

• 2:40:44Speaker 04

  When I'm coming up, it was HBO and then it transitioned to come on the Joe Rogan podcast. And that was the thing. And did it mean every single comedian that came on here became a millionaire? No. But a lot fucking did.

• 2:40:57Joe Rogan?

  You gotta look.

• 2:40:58Speaker 04

  You gotta look and you got an audience that was interested and curious and like.

• 2:41:02Joe Rogan?

  If you were legit, if you were Shane Gillis, if you were you, if you were Ari Shaffir, whatever it was, you popped off.

• 2:41:09Speaker 04

  Hundreds of people, right? And we saw it like instantaneously. It was like, you come on and then your podcast would go number one afterwards. Like, you remember this, right? And it was like, okay, so then comics were like, okay, wow, there's a pathway forward. And then like, the clip economy and the YouTube specials and these things start happening and then people are like, okay, I do that. That's how I go poppin'. Then Kill Tony erupts and it's like, oh shit, if I can get a spot on Kill Tony, then I can make it.

• 2:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 2:41:32Speaker 04

  And I think that like, now people are going, okay, I might not be the right fit for Kill Tony because the character based things really explode more than like, say, a traditional comic. It's like, okay, I don't do that. It's like, I don't know how I can even get on Joe and if I do get on Joe, can I be on enough for the audience? We'll see. I put a YouTube special out, but like, it seems like there's hundreds of YouTube specials out, so it's like, I don't know if that's gonna be the thing that breaks me. So I think that the younger comics are kind of experiencing this thing where they're like, I don't know the pathway forward. And someone's gonna invent some shit. Someone's gonna do the thing that I did, that you did, where you just try something new and then it catches on and fucking that dominates what it is. But like, I think they're in this period where they're like, I don't know what to do.

• 2:42:14Speaker 04

  And when you don't know what to do and you're not where you wanna be, that's where I think the bitterness starts to come out.

• 2:42:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, you also don't know what the path forward is and if it's ever gonna arrive for you. Or if you're just gonna be like on the outside forever.

• 2:42:26Speaker 04

  So you're toiling in obscurity and then you're just, and then you start to feel resentful. Then you start to feel angry. Before, you might feel resentful and angry, but you're like, you know what? There might be a chance Joe could see me. He'll bring me on his podcast and then I can have all this fucking success. And it's like, so I do empathize with that like anger. But the knee jerk reaction to just shit on everything and try to shit on the scene and like shit on Austin or like shit on these things. I don't think they realize that that's not gonna get them any closer. It will get them like immediate attention. A bunch of their comedian friends around them are gonna click and like and do these things. But it's not gonna be that long term sustained career. You don't build a fanbase by going, "I don't like that place."

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  You also alienate the newest scene in the world.

• 2:43:09Speaker 04

  You alienate people who actually help you. This is the thing.

• 2:43:12Joe Rogan?

  You also, you're making a fake version of what the scene is too.

• 2:43:15Speaker 04

  But that, I mean, that's the internet, right? It's like.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  That's the crazy thing. It's like you have to say, you have to have an N-word joke. You have to, you know, you have to go on and have a trans joke. And this is just the same thing. It's be, you know what the problem is? It's a walled garden. Austin is a walled garden. Like if you're on the outside, you see all these people having so much fun in the garden. You're like, I can't even, I'm not even in there. Fuck those people. It's not. It's not, but it's an appearance of a walled garden.

• 2:43:39Speaker 04

  Exactly. And then I think that there's like people on another level up, we were saying earlier, that are like seeing these like people talk shit about it. And they're getting concerned that it could like negatively impact them in a way. So they're doing this like, it's the most pussy shit. They're like trying to create a little distance. Not too much where they can't call you and say, "Hey, I got a podcast, I got a."

• 2:43:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you mean Andrew Centino?

• 2:44:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, like not too much where it's like, "Oh, I'd like to come on your pod, but I'll have a guy who's gonna shit on you for the whole fucking episode and not give you pushback." It's like, and it's not just him. Like I've seen other people do it and it's just like, dude, dude, dude. You're gonna go through some cancel shit later. All these guys, they're gonna go through something later. And they had a guy that they could call. That would bring them on the biggest platform in the world and let them explain themselves, have their back, like, you will do it.

• 2:44:23Joe Rogan?

  I would still do that with Santino.

• 2:44:24Speaker 04

  Of course you would, that's your boy, that's your boy.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  I love him.

• 2:44:26Speaker 04

  He's a fucking amazing hang, that was a bad move, that was a bad move, in my opinion.

• 2:44:31Joe Rogan?

  He felt like, look, Mark is irrelevant, he's yelling these things out, like, let him rant, everyone's gonna know what he's doing. But I don't think everybody on the outside does, cuz they don't know comedy, they don't know the business.

• 2:44:43Speaker 04

  And it looks like you're cosigning it all, and it looks like that you're okay with this, and like, I'm fine with you having him on, like, I would have Maron on, but we're gonna go at it. Like, Akash calls him out, Akash calls him out every single episode, he's just like, come on, you pussy, let's talk.

• 2:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you ain't shit.

• 2:44:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, so it's like, it's like, but it's like, yeah, but also defend your boy, and that's also important because at, at, at a baseline, people don't wanna see people abandon their friends, at like a baseline human thing.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:45:10Speaker 04

  Even if you got your friends back when he's going through some shit, even if you disagree with that person did, like, baseline human, you go, I kinda would want that guy as a friend.

• 2:45:18Joe Rogan?

  There was a video of Trump on Letterman, when, uh, I think it's Letterman, I'm pretty sure it's Letterman. Trump, when, uh, Mike Tyson got convicted. And, bro, it was like the most unpopular opinion in the world, he goes, I think his, his attorneys were terrible, they had the worst defense I've ever heard in my life. This girl came up to his room at 1 a.m., they said she was dancing a few hours later, she was hanging out with people, having a good time, she came over, took off her panty shield in, in his bathroom, like, and she'd also accused someone of rape, uh, that wasn't, was unjustly accused of rape before that. She'd done the same thing before.

• 2:45:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, I don't know what the fuck happened there, obviously I don't, but that was his boy, and he defended his boy, he said, look, we don't know, we don't know what happened, and he said it on Letterman.

• 2:46:08Speaker 04

  I respect that shit.

• 2:46:08Joe Rogan?

  And he was like, whoa, and a lot of people in the comments did too, like, wow.

• 2:46:11Speaker 04

  And Tyson got his back, you know that, like, we've talked to Tyson decades later.

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  Always has.

• 2:46:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it, yeah, it's a different. I don't, to me, I'm like, I thought this is normal. Like, I thought this is.

• 2:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Because you're a man.

• 2:46:24Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing. There's a lot of these people that are like a salamander that's never gone through its final developmental changes. And they're, they're stuck in like an adolescent stage of evolution forever.

• 2:46:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:46:34Joe Rogan?

  There's, there's, there's men that are like that.

• 2:46:37Speaker 04

  But that.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:46:38Speaker 04

  I don't know. And maybe it's because I like know guys like you and like Charlamagne, who like, I see them going through shit. And I see people like will try to like get me to talk to them. It's like, it ain't gonna happen.

• 2:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:49Speaker 04

  Like, I know these people as human beings. You know a 30 second TikTok of them. So if you want to have that conversation, we're gonna have it, but like, you're not gonna like the way it goes. Because these people are my friends, like real friends.

• 2:46:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:00Speaker 04

  Not like colleagues. There are people who were colleagues with.

• 2:47:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:03Speaker 04

  But like, my real friends, you guys are at my wedding.

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:06Speaker 04

  And you've been to my wedding. Like, my wedding wasn't like a comedy hangout.

• 2:47:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:10Speaker 04

  It was people who I am close to, you know what I mean?

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  By the way, it's like one of the only weddings I've ever been to.

• 2:47:15Speaker 04

  And I respected that. Took a COVID test. Took a COVID test. You were so upset about it too. You're like, here bitch.

• 2:47:24Speaker 04

  You're like, I'm free of it bitch.

• 2:47:25Joe Rogan?

  That was already over. Well, that, I don't even know if I had been.

• 2:47:28Speaker 04

  I don't think you got it yet.

• 2:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Beginning of being canceled.

• 2:47:31Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:47:31Joe Rogan?

  For about the COVID stuff. I was like, it was just starting.

• 2:47:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. Can I pee real quick?

• 2:47:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's pee.

• 2:47:36Speaker 04

  We're back.

• 2:47:37Joe Rogan?

  We're back. Um, when Tony got into it, when the first one with the, the Asian thing, uh, when he got into that. People didn't know the, he was totally, not always he set up, um, people don't know the full context of it. This guy did this whole set of like, it was like real bad comedy and it was, why do you hate Asians? Everybody hates Asians. And so Tony gets up and makes fun of him for being Chinese afterwards. They take that, they run with it. Tony fortunately had a video of that guy's set and released it along with his full set. Where you see, this is just what he does. He's just fucking around and then he kills. He kills for the entire set and he released that. And then the cancellation basically died off.

• 2:48:20Joe Rogan?

  But when he was going through it, man, I, I was really worried about him. Like genuinely worried about him. He thought his life was over. He had never experienced anything like that before.

• 2:48:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:48:30Joe Rogan?

  And then I took him with me to Salt Lake City. And it was only. God, I guess a week and a half, he took off one weekend, we did a show in Houston. And he's like, I just, I don't think I can go onstage, I'll just take this weekend off, I'm gonna pay you anyway. I go, I'll pay you, just relax, and then we'll do Salt Lake City, right? I just, just, just, I know you're going through it, just. So then he went onstage one night at the Vulcan, he's like, dude, I think I could do, I'm back, I'm back. And so then, people didn't know that he was gonna be with me in Salt Lake City. So, we're in the back of the room, and I announce the opening act. And I said, ladies and gentlemen, one of my best friends, Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 2:49:10Joe Rogan?

  And they went, yeah, they stood up, arms raised, like, fuck yeah. It was, part of it was because I was supporting him, he was going through it, it was public, it was in the middle of everything. And he went up and destroyed the love that he got from those people. And then he went and just ran with it, and he had material on it, he was already talking about it, and it was beautiful. But it was beautiful to watch him realize like, oh, I'm gonna be okay.

• 2:49:41Speaker 04

  The internet is not reality.

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:43Speaker 04

  And he had that moment in real time. But he also had you having his back, like, that's the... And I think people see that also, like, I think there's people in the crowd that see that, and I think on a primal level, they go, man, if I got caught up in some fuck shit, I would really like it if my friend had my back.

• 2:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:58Speaker 04

  If people were saying things about me that my friends know were false, and they use their platforms to talk, or, you know, put me on, or whatever it is. I think, deep down, viscerally, they go, oh, that's a good guy.

• 2:50:10Joe Rogan?

  You gotta try to, like, help people, you know, I tried to get Steve Renazizi on, when that 9/11 stuff happened, and he decided to go on Stern instead.

• 2:50:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:50:21Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, okay, but, I'm telling you, if I have you on, I can navigate it a little more compassionately. But I don't think, at the time, he understood where podcasts were versus where Stern was at the time. Stern was still stern in his eyes, but it wasn't stern in terms of, like, the reach. And even if it was, he's not gonna handle you the same way I'm gonna handle you.

• 2:50:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:50:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm gonna give you all the room in the world to express yourself, and I'm gonna be as charitable as possible. And I'm gonna put myself in a position where I can imagine if I made up a story, and then I got stuck with it, like, oh, no. You know, and what is the way forward with that? Well, I guess the way forward, he eventually had to address it and talk about it on stage and, you know, but you, you can help people. You could really, it really does work. If you have a platform and someone's going through something, like you really can save their, their world. You can, you can, especially if you show that you have support and you love them and you talk about it and talk about what a great person they are. Like Tony's one of my favorite people ever.

• 2:51:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, Tony's great, man. And like I, he has this massive thing and naturally we wanna pick at the people that are incredibly successful. This is like human nature, fucking Taylor Swift gets it. You know what I mean?

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  But bro, here's the thing, Kill Tony wasn't that big back then. That's the problem.

• 2:51:48Speaker 04

  No, no, back then, I'm saying even now.

• 2:51:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but now, well, well, the thing is the second cancellation, like after he did the,

• 2:51:53Speaker 04

  The Puerto Rico thing?

• 2:51:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the Puerto Rico thing?

• 2:51:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  He was already ready. He was like, I've been through this fucking storm before, I'm just gonna tie down these sails and

• 2:52:02Joe Rogan?

  ride this motherfucker out. But if he hadn't been through that, that would have been even more devastating because then you're getting canceled by CNN and New York Times and you know, they had stories pre-written, ready to go blaming the loss of Trump on Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 2:52:19Speaker 04

  And then the Latino vote went up, like 15%?

• 2:52:23Joe Rogan?

  He said, Tony said, "The first night he slept was the night that I endorsed Trump."

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  For real.

• 2:52:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:52:30Joe Rogan?

  And he literally said, "Dude, that was the first night." He goes, "I think it's gonna be okay now."

• 2:52:35Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 2:52:36Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy, because that's part of the reasons why I did it.

• 2:52:40Speaker 04

  We gotta get Tony out of here. We gotta protect Tony. Yeah, little did you know, you didn't even need to. The Puerto Ricans were like, "We got this."

• 2:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, Puerto Ricans take a joke better than anybody on the planet. That is a great shit-talking community. They talk shit to each other, it's part of the thing.

• 2:52:56Speaker 04

  Especially in New York, they're not gonna be sensitive about anything. Now, what I would've told Zoni and like what I said to him is like, "I wish you had told me like what the set is." Because like New Yorkers have this idea of Puerto Rico as this like beautiful Caribbean island. It's like our first vacation in New York when we go to a fancy place, it's Puerto Rico. I think when he was connecting it to the, the, the island of garbage, which I knew where he's going. There was like a island of garbage floating in the

• 2:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Pacific, yeah.

• 2:53:21Speaker 04

  Atlantic?

• 2:53:22Joe Rogan?

  No, it's the Pacific, Pacific garbage patch.

• 2:53:24Speaker 04

  So it was actually, he was bringing it to something that was a popular story like a year or two ago. But New Yorkers don't know what the fuck is floating. You know what I mean? Like, we're just like, yo, Puerto Rico's fine. So I think that they were just like, oh, that was weird. We don't see Puerto Rico in that way.

• 2:53:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, not necessary, cause that joke murders when he did it at Madison Square Garden when he's opening for me.

• 2:53:44Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 2:53:44Joe Rogan?

  Fucking murdered.

• 2:53:45Speaker 04

  Okay, fair enough.

• 2:53:46Joe Rogan?

  Murdered. Because it's just a joke.

• 2:53:48Speaker 04

  The thing is, it's just a joke.

• 2:53:50Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, Puerto Rico, if you don't know, has a massive garbage problem.

• 2:53:54Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't know.

• 2:53:55Joe Rogan?

  Because they have a landfill issue because they don't have much land. It's like all these fucking tourists coming over there with their fucking water bottles. And they got a huge hole in the ground that's overflowing with trash.

• 2:54:06Speaker 04

  At the end of the day, it's a fucking joke.

• 2:54:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a joke.

• 2:54:08Speaker 04

  It's a joke.

• 2:54:09Joe Rogan?

  But it's not a joke he should have done there.

• 2:54:11Speaker 04

  That's the thing.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  If, if he was running that joke by me, I'd be like, no.

• 2:54:15Speaker 04

  That's not the one. That's all I'm saying. Like, or there's a different place that you could use that might go.

• 2:54:19Joe Rogan?

  I told him not to do it, period.

• 2:54:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:54:21Joe Rogan?

  I was like, there's no upside to this, dude. This is a, it's not gonna be a comedy crowd. And meanwhile, he goes on after some guy has got this crazy, we're gonna take back America.

• 2:54:30Speaker 04

  That's the thing. Even doing comedy in that environment is, is like the trickiest thing. And like, I do think like, in general, like us just having politicians on and like even going to the rally. Wait, wait, it's like, I think what's happened is that we've politicized ourselves and like we've brought ourselves into the game of politics, which is the ugliest game.

• 2:54:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:50Speaker 04

  Like, it is the ugliest game. Because it's that zero sum shit we were saying earlier. It's just like, this is, people really believe it's life or death.

• 2:54:57Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:54:58Speaker 04

  Dude, I was pushing my, my daughter in a stroller, right? And a lady goes, hey, this is in New York. She goes, hey, didn't you have Trump on your podcast? And I was like, I already know what's going on. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, yeah, he was, yeah, he was on the podcast. And she's like, uh, well, I hope your daughter has a good life.

• 2:55:14Speaker 04

  I'm like, bitch, you live in Tribeca. You know what I mean? Like, what do you think is happening over here? Your husband works for fucking Goldman. You know what I mean?

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right.

• 2:55:22Speaker 04

  Who do you think he's voting for? But like, that type of vitriolic hate to a stranger on the street.

• 2:55:29Joe Rogan?

  What'd you say to her?

• 2:55:30Speaker 04

  I said, uh, I go, uh, I go, "Oh, do you have a daughter? Cause she just looked lonely." And I really wanted her to be like, "No." And then I was just gonna lower the fucking boom. And then she was like, "Yeah, I have two." And I was like, "Okay, well, I hope they have good lives."

• 2:55:52Speaker 04

  She out-crowd worked me.

• 2:55:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:56Speaker 04

  I was like, so like, I was like, in shock. Like, I'm like, with, like, there's a, I'm with a child. Like, why are you talking to me in the street? Like...

• 2:56:02Joe Rogan?

  I saw a video of a lady getting out of a Cybertruck in New Jersey. And some woman yelled at her, "You fucking racist, you racist." She's like, "What?

• 2:56:08Speaker 04

  Yeah."

• 2:56:09Joe Rogan?

  Somebody just gave me a ride.

• 2:56:11Speaker 04

  It was an Uber?

• 2:56:12Joe Rogan?

  No, it was like, she was, got a ride from somebody who had a Cybertruck. And she got out of the car.

• 2:56:17Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:56:17Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, and then some lady started calling her a racist.

• 2:56:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:56:20Joe Rogan?

  Out of nowhere.

• 2:56:21Speaker 04

  There's insane people.

• 2:56:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah!

• 2:56:23Speaker 04

  There's like, and some of-

• 2:56:24Joe Rogan?

  And they've always been here.

• 2:56:25Speaker 04

  And they've always been here. And they're even more rooted in their insanity because it's rewarded every time they go on their phone.

• 2:56:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:56:32Speaker 04

  Like, their crazy opinions are just like, "Yeah, you're right about that opinion. Here's evidence."

• 2:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:37Speaker 04

  Thirty seconds at a time.

• 2:56:38Joe Rogan?

  And they're dumb, so they don't realize what it's doing to them. So they're on that fucking shit all day long, getting aggravated.

• 2:56:43Speaker 04

  And they're desperate for community.

• 2:56:44Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 2:56:45Speaker 04

  Their whole identity is this community. God forbid they have a dissenting opinion.

• 2:56:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:49Speaker 04

  All of a sudden, that community is gonna ostracize them.

• 2:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:51Speaker 04

  It's, it's literally what happened to like Ezra. Like Ezra's actually trying to have real conversations. Like, he believes in what Democrats can do and thinks that they're the best for government. And he's like, "How can we make this happen?" And then there are people that would be like, his biggest supporters. The second he moves a little bit away, it's, "I can't believe he's turned into a right-wing grifter." They're talking, calling Ezra Klein- A right-wing grifter.

• 2:57:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or Elon Musk, a fuckwit. Yeah, it's the same thing. You're never gonna make everybody happy. And as your profile increases, the number of ignorant people that are paying attention and commenting on you increases.

• 2:57:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:57:29Joe Rogan?

  It is, and so it's

• 2:57:31Speaker 04

  That's a great point. It's like, yeah, it's like, the percentage doesn't change, but the amount changes.

• 2:57:37Joe Rogan?

  Drastically.

• 2:57:37Speaker 04

  Because you have so many more people watching.

• 2:57:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially if there's an event, like if you had Trump on the podcast, that's the event, and then ignorant people just start yapping out their opinion. And I want them to have opinions. I think it's a beautiful thing.

• 2:57:50Speaker 04

  I'll never tell anybody not to say anything, but like, the funniest thing about the Trump pod is that like, initially, it was Kamala's campaign and the Democrats, like, loving the interview. Because Trump said that thing, it was a really fascinating thing that happened because both sides were going, oh, this is awesome. And I was like, holy shit.

• 2:58:07Joe Rogan?

  What did he say?

• 2:58:08Speaker 04

  He goes, uh, he says one of the funniest things ever. He goes, uh, he goes, "I'm basically an honest person."

• 2:58:17Speaker 04

  And then he says it to me, and I just laugh, because I'm like, that's, I laugh for a few reasons. Like, one, I laugh because it's a hilarious thing to say.

• 2:58:25Joe Rogan?

  It's very funny.

• 2:58:25Speaker 04

  But two, it's like, actually the most honest thing to say. Like, if I'm deconstructing it, it's like, anybody who goes, "I've never told a lie," you're like, "You're a fucking liar. You just told one." But saying you're basically honest is like, yeah, I pretty much mostly tell the truth.

• 2:58:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:41Speaker 04

  You know, sometimes I say Melania looks skinnier than she does. You know, whatever the fuck every husband, you know what I mean? But like, it's, I don't know, it was just the funniest thing.

• 2:58:49Joe Rogan?

  Or the Epstein files is a hoax.

• 2:58:51Speaker 04

  Bro, the fucking Epstein thing is just

• 2:58:53Joe Rogan?

  Nothing but a hoax!

• 2:58:55Speaker 04

  It's just, it's just, I don't even understand, I don't get it. I don't get it. It is the easiest political victory. Like, if you, if you just do it-

• 2:59:05Joe Rogan?

  It is, but it isn't. Here's the thing.

• 2:59:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:59:07Joe Rogan?

  Um, I'm not supporting anything, just to be really clear, ladies and gentlemen.

• 2:59:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Uh, but if you are, if you have relationships with all these insanely wealthy people that are gonna be

• 2:59:19Speaker 04

  Hurt by this?

• 2:59:20Joe Rogan?

  Severely impacted by this, like, this is the ultimate political football.

• 2:59:27Joe Rogan?

  Because I don't know what the numbers are, I don't know who the people are, but I've heard things. And if those things are true, you're dealing with some of the most powerful people in the world, some of the wealthiest people.

• 2:59:37Speaker 04

  They gotta go down. They gotta go down.

• 2:59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it depends on what they did, right? It's like, did you go over there and have sex with a 24-year-old and do coke? Or did you go-

• 2:59:46Speaker 04

  Totally fine.

• 2:59:46Joe Rogan?

  Right, or did you go over there, but-

• 2:59:48Speaker 04

  Wouldn't you want that out? I would want that out, if like-

• 2:59:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you wouldn't want that out because like, how do you- You're connected to pedophilia, no matter what.

• 2:59:57Speaker 04

  Oh, right, because you're like-

• 2:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Epstein's Island-

• 2:59:58Speaker 04

  She was 24 and then someone's gonna go, "Well, did you ID her?" And you're like, "Well, no, I didn't ID her."

• 3:00:03Joe Rogan?

  But did you see underage girls? Were you there, are you complicit?

• 3:00:07Speaker 04

  So you don't want to even be around it?

• 3:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, you can't be around it. I mean, the guy 100% had sexual relationships with underage girls, at least in Florida-

• 3:00:17Speaker 04

  Convicted.

• 3:00:17Joe Rogan?

  And convicted, yeah, and so- That, and you knew that when you were meeting him. That's the Bill Gates thing that's the craziest.

• 3:00:24Speaker 04

  How old were Bill Gates? The Stephanopoulos guy, like, a bunch of them went over there.

• 3:00:28Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people went over there, a lot of scientists went over there. And I think those guys thought they were going over there for this beautiful place where you can go. This guy's donating money to science, you're hanging out with movie stars, this intellectual discourse. So tell me about string theory. Well, it's really fascinating. One thing's we've learned, and you're having cocktails, like, "This place is great." And then you can get your dick sucked.

• 3:00:48Speaker 04

  It's like a Diddy party for nerds.

• 3:00:50Speaker 03

  Ah, exactly!

• 3:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 3:00:52Speaker 04

  And a lot of people went to those parties.

• 3:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't wanna say Hassan Ahmad's joke.

• 3:00:56Speaker 04

  What is that?

• 3:00:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't wanna say his joke. I don't wanna ruin his joke.

• 3:00:59Speaker 04

  Shout out to Hassan, man.

• 3:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Hassan's great, he's got a great joke that compares it to Diddy.

• 3:01:04Speaker 04

  He's filming a special soon, too.

• 3:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes, he is.

• 3:01:06Speaker 04

  I'm very excited for him, man.

• 3:01:07Joe Rogan?

  This weekend.

• 3:01:08Speaker 04

  Oh, really, so this coming up or-

• 3:01:09Joe Rogan?

  This upcoming weekend, at the mothership. No, no, it's at the- Black Rabbit.

• 3:01:13Speaker 04

  Black Rabbit, so make sure you guys go check that out.

• 3:01:15Joe Rogan?

  He is great. And that guy works hard. I've known him since he was a doorman at the Comedy Store.

• 3:01:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, him and Derek do the Solid Show together.

• 3:01:23Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 3:01:24Speaker 04

  So I got to know Hassan.

• 3:01:25Joe Rogan?

  No, Hassan's great, man.

• 3:01:27Speaker 04

  They have a great pod, man.

• 3:01:27Joe Rogan?

  Super smart dude, too. A very interesting guy, great green room hang.

• 3:01:31Speaker 04

  That's, yep, that's the other thing, it's like, uh-

• 3:01:36Speaker 04

  Just being able to hang. Just being able to fucking hang is like, people think about like, oh, what are all these competitive advantages? Da-da-da-da, how do you do that, the other, and it's just like, can you fucking hang out?

• 3:01:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:01:46Speaker 04

  Can you sit down on a couch and can we bust balls?

• 3:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Are we fun?

• 3:01:49Speaker 04

  It's that easy.

• 3:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, are you fun? Are you easy, are you, are you a happy person?

• 3:01:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:54Joe Rogan?

  Are you good to get along with?

• 3:01:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:55Joe Rogan?

  That makes it so easy.

• 3:01:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:01:56Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's like, simple things that you learn in high school.

• 3:02:02Speaker 04

  Yo, have you ever experienced where like, there's a guy who's a fun hang and you haven't seen him on stage yet? And you're like, I hope he's funny.

• 3:02:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 3:02:08Speaker 04

  Cause I like hanging with you.

• 3:02:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there was some bad examples of that at the Comedy Store. I, I saw someone sat, I was like, oh no. I can't be friends with you. Like, this is too, Fitzsimmons and I were laughing about that once. We saw this person go on stage and then afterwards, we went into the back parking lot. And Greg's like, well, can't be friends with them anymore.

• 3:02:27Speaker 04

  Greg cracks me the fuck up, dude. Is Greg from Boston? He's a Boston guy, right?

• 3:02:32Joe Rogan?

  We started out together, like, within a week of each other.

• 3:02:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:02:36Joe Rogan?

  I've been friends with that dude for like, thirty-five fucking years, maybe more.

• 3:02:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, Greg is, Greg's still in LA, right?

• 3:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes, unfortunately.

• 3:02:44Speaker 04

  Dude, Greg was there when I fucking, I did some like, I did some, it was like a halfway house show or something like that, I don't know. I was just at the store and they, and they just asked me, it's like, do you wanna pop on this one? And it was like, huh, it's like Greg, it's Joey, and I was like, yeah, sure, I'll go do it. And I did it and I was doing these like, um, I did some Down Syndrome, but it was kind of like long, to be honest with you.

• 3:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that was the,

• 3:03:06Speaker 04

  Do you hear this story?

• 3:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Down Syndrome group?

• 3:03:08Speaker 04

  I had no clue, cause they told me half house. So I was like, oh, it's guys who are like drug addicts, alcoholics.

• 3:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:13Speaker 04

  And I did like, a long bit about it and it didn't grow great. Like, everything was kinda good up until that moment and then it kinda went south and I was like, ah, that was weird. And I, and I go onstage and Joey's like, waiting there, or Greg, I forget which one, whether they're like, what the hell are you doing? And I was like, I don't know, like, I thought it was going well and then it just kinda tanked. He's like, yeah, cause it's all of them. Out there, this is like a charity show or a benefit for it. So you gotta let me know that.

• 3:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you should let people know that. I had a very similar thing happen. I had a bit about how like there's certain words that are offensive, but wouldn't it be better if instead of like banning these words? If like the government issued like retard tags, like hunting tags, like you get five a year.

• 3:03:56Joe Rogan?

  He's gotta know when to use them, you know, and these people were just.

• 3:04:02Speaker 04

  This is fascism. Government quotas?

• 3:04:05Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't even a quota, but I would be like, you do not want to go outside on December 31st with all the retard tags.

• 3:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause everybody's got three extra retard tags they gotta use.

• 3:04:15Speaker 04

  We gotta use them. Can't let these things go to waste. They don't roll over.

• 3:04:18Joe Rogan?

  But I did it there and people like, ugh, I was like, what? What's wrong? And then afterwards they told me, I was like, how about a heads up?

• 3:04:25Speaker 04

  Oh wait, you did it also at the, how many of these benefits are they doing at the Comedy Store?

• 3:04:30Joe Rogan?

  A ton. It takes a lot of money.

• 3:04:31Speaker 04

  Fair enough.

• 3:04:32Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 3:04:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:04:33Joe Rogan?

  It's a, an education thing, but I fucked up too. Same thing. And then I was like, oh, why didn't you tell me?

• 3:04:40Speaker 04

  I felt something in there. I felt it. Bro, I felt it. It was like, it just went south. And the look was like, does he not know? I think they thought that I didn't, they didn't, I don't think they thought I was being edgy.

• 3:04:51Joe Rogan?

  They thought you didn't know.

• 3:04:52Speaker 04

  They were like, oh, he doesn't know.

• 3:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. And so they're like, they have a sour, like, oh no, he doesn't know.

• 3:04:57Speaker 04

  It's like if somebody was talking to someone in the crowd before and everybody knows about that person and then you're doing something completely unrelated and they're like, oh yeah. He doesn't know that like she just lost her husband. Yeah. I'm just doing my five minute widow bit.

• 3:05:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, but that's the fun stuff.

• 3:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:15Speaker 04

  That's what, that's what Charlamagne loves. He's just so, he's like, at his core, he's like a real like comedian at his core, like to the point like he'll love bomb. He like walks, watching people bomb. He like really likes that. He thinks it's, I think it's like a full emotion to him. And so at the end of the, the show in rehab, we brought Alex Media who's on the show and he had to do one joke in front of everybody. And like, the joke is pretty good. It's Alex, a black dude and he's like, you know, it's cool to be here, you know, I'll be honest, like I see these outfits and uh, it's the only time I'm surrounded by guys in uh, in white sheets that I don't feel like they're gonna kill me, something like that. Like just some little cutesy joke. And then Charlamagne goes, nah, bro, like they're treating you like the autistic kid that gets it going in the fourth quarter.

• 3:05:59Speaker 04

  The ball boy for that joke wasn't it, bro. He's like, uh, uh, uh. They think that you have autism and they're giving you a shot at the end of the season.

• 3:06:07Joe Rogan?

  Uh, that's funny. That's funny. Yeah, he's a funny dude. There's a lot of funny people that don't get into comedy. It's interesting. I've known quite a few that are like, ah, man, you're really a comedian and you never really got after it. You know, there's a bunch of people like that. I used to work for a guy who was a private investigator. Was the funniest fucking dude I had ever been around in my life. And I was trying to be a comedian at the time. I was an open mic'er. I was 21. And his name was Dick Dolan. Dave Dolan, rather. He called, he called himself Dynamite Dickless Dave Dolan. That was his name. He's like, whenever, I have a mess, I have a phone that I kept. It's an iPhone, like 10 or some shit like that. And I kept that phone just because I have a voicemail on there from him before he died.

• 3:06:51Joe Rogan?

  He's like, Joe Rogan, it's Dynamite Dickless Dave Dolan. How you doing, buddy? And like, he was just a funny fucking dude. He was hilarious. And I would, uh, we would catch mostly people that were doing insurance fraud.

• 3:07:05Speaker 04

  Oh, as a PI?

• 3:07:06Joe Rogan?

  He was a private investigator. And I, I, I worked for him. And the way I worked for him-

• 3:07:10Speaker 04

  As a PI?

• 3:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I was, uh, looking for a job and, uh, different things to do to make money while I was doing stand-up. And, uh, he had this ad for, it was, uh, private investigator, investigator's assistant. I was like, ooh, that sounds exciting. Really what it was is he lost his license drunk driving and he needed someone to drive his car around. Cause he still had to work. And so I met him and he was friend, or his cousin was Bill Downs, who owned The Comedy Connection. So he was related, like, we just-

• 3:07:45Speaker 04

  In Rhode Island, is it?

• 3:07:46Joe Rogan?

  We hit it, no, it was in Boston at the time.

• 3:07:47Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 3:07:48Joe Rogan?

  And then it eventually went to Faneuil Hall and then now it's the Wilbur Theater. But that was-

• 3:07:52Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 3:07:52Joe Rogan?

  Bill Bluman Wright eventually bought it from them. But Bill, Bill Downs and Paul Barkley were the original owners of The Comedy Connection. And so I, I, and I was like, how are you not a comedian? Like, you're the funniest fucking guy I know.

• 3:08:07Speaker 04

  What'd he say?

• 3:08:07Joe Rogan?

  He was, he's not interested. He was just funny, but he would like, we would like catch people doing stuff. Most of it is like insurance fraud, but we'd have to like wait for them in front of their house at like four o'clock in the morning for them to get up and have like a fake job.

• 3:08:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:08:22Joe Rogan?

  Where they were like pretending to be disabled, ah, I've hurt my back at work, but really they were roofing somewhere and we would catch them.

• 3:08:28Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 3:08:29Joe Rogan?

  And, and so we would be just in the car, just me and him.

• 3:08:32Speaker 04

  Talking shit.

• 3:08:32Joe Rogan?

  And we would just talk shit and he was, I would be crying. And I, I remember I was dating this girl and I, I went over her place afterwards. I was like, this guy is so much funnier than me.

• 3:08:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:08:41Joe Rogan?

  And he has no desire to be a comedian.

• 3:08:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:08:43Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's like, it's weird.

• 3:08:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Like he's a, a natural comic.

• 3:08:47Speaker 04

  Just.

• 3:08:48Joe Rogan?

  Just funny all the time.

• 3:08:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:08:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, had this, I don't give a fuck, I'm never getting married.

• 3:08:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:08:53Joe Rogan?

  You know, he like, always cheating on his girlfriends, didn't care. He let them know.

• 3:08:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm not, I'm not changing. He acted like a drunk even when he was sober.

• 3:09:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Even when he was sober, he was like, he kept that whole, we're on a bender mentality.

• 3:09:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:09:10Joe Rogan?

  He just was sober.

• 3:09:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:09:11Joe Rogan?

  And rode that bitch right into the rocks, rode that fucking boat right into the shore.

• 3:09:16Speaker 04

  God bless him.

• 3:09:16Joe Rogan?

  And then died.

• 3:09:17Speaker 04

  God bless him.

• 3:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he, he was a fun dude, man. Like one of the most fun people I've ever been friends with in my life.

• 3:09:24Speaker 04

  Some of the most naturally funny people I think aren't comedians.

• 3:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Yes, a lot.

• 3:09:28Speaker 04

  In the hang. And it's a different, like when you gotta do it on stage, there's different expectations and it changes thing, but like, just in the hang, yeah, they're just, they're almost like unaware they're funny.

• 3:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:09:37Speaker 04

  They're not even trying to make you laugh.

• 3:09:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:09:39Speaker 04

  You know, it's just kind of, yeah, it's like effortless to them.

• 3:09:42Joe Rogan?

  And some of them, you know, that do try to do comedy like that, never figure out how to translate it, which is really weird.

• 3:09:49Speaker 04

  I think, I think it's a, it's almost too easy for them in conversation, so they don't do the work to transition it to stage.

• 3:09:57Joe Rogan?

  Or they have this idea of what they're supposed to be on stage and it's very different than what they are when they're with their friends.

• 3:10:03Speaker 04

  That's the first thing I tell like young comics that ask for advice. I just go, how are you funniest around the people you're most comfortable with? Like, are you telling stories? Are you self-deprecating? Are you kind of roasting? Like, the people you're most comfortable with, how are you funny? And.

• 3:10:19Speaker 04

  That I think is like the easiest way to access like your voice or whatever we call it. And then just add 10 years of trying to figure that out.

• 3:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:10:26Speaker 04

  But like you're right, some people like try to put on a cadence of what they think a stand-up will talk about. And it's normal in the beginning, like you're just trying to figure this shit out.

• 3:10:33Joe Rogan?

  You sound like a Tell.

• 3:10:34Speaker 04

  Exactly. Like in New York, everybody sound like a Tell. Like when I was coming up, a Tell was even the way that they would do act-out sounds. It was all versions of a Tell. And like naturally, you're gonna gravitate to the best guy. And what he's doing. And I'm sure like in LA, everybody was trying to be Dane or something like that.

• 3:10:48Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of guys who are trying to be Chappelle.

• 3:10:51Speaker 04

  Chappelle, yeah. And it's like, yeah, that that makes sense.

• 3:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Patrice would say that you're his babies. That he's got a, I got a bunch of babies out there.

• 3:10:58Speaker 04

  Oh, I mean, I was a baby of Patrice, for sure. Like I remember seeing him and just going like, oh my god, this is, this is the highest form.

• 3:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Joey Diaz was the best example of a guy who one day figured it out. Joey Diaz was the funniest guy in the parking lot. The funniest. The funniest guy in the hang. If you were in the back bar, he was the funniest. He was holding court. Everybody was dying, we're falling on the ground laughing. When he would get on stage, he would try to be a comedian. He would try to like set up punchline, tell a joke, I got a little joke for you. And then one day, he gave up. He gave up on being cast in movies. He gave up on the dream of having a sitcom, and he got real fat. Like when I first met Joey, he was a linebacker. He was a tank. And he's fresh out of jail. You know, it was a different Joey. It was scary Joey. And scary Joey gave into fat Joey.

• 3:11:49Joe Rogan?

  And then Mitzi Shore started calling him Fat Baby. And that's all she would put him on as the, on the lineup. It wouldn't be Joey Diaz, it would be Fat Baby. She wanted to call him Fat Baby.

• 3:12:00Speaker 04

  Oh, so he would lean into this?

• 3:12:01Joe Rogan?

  She had this idea of changing his name to Fat Baby. You know, she named people, right? She named Carlos Mencia. What do you mean? She came up with that name. That's not his real name? No, it's not his real name. His name is Ned. It's like Ned Wholness or something like that. She came up with the idea of him having that name, yeah. That was part of the whole video of me like exposing him. Yeah. I was like, you're not even Mexican. And the Mexicans in the crowd were like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's close. Honduran. Yeah. Yeah, half German, half Honduran, but whatever it is. It's a bus stop. The thing is Mitzi named him. Yeah. And so Mitzi would name people. Yeah. And she wanted to name Joey Fat Baby. And so the old lineups, I got some old lineups from the Comedy Store, and one of them, it says Fat Baby. I love it. I love it.

• 3:12:46Joe Rogan?

  But when he got fat, dude. Yeah. He, when he started not giving a fuck and he would go on stage, all this, I mean, all of a sudden, he went from not having good sets, you know, to kind of maybe it was a pretty good set, to destroy it. Obliterating. Destroy. He was free. Yeah. He got free and he became the guy on stage that he was in the back. It was also around the time where marijuana, medical marijuana started like really popping off in LA. So Joey was on like 500 milligram Sheba juice all day. Just let it go. Just obliterated, obliterated, and dosing people on his podcast and ha ha ha ha.

• 3:13:28Joe Rogan?

  He was just a full-on maniac and the absolute best guy to take on the road with you. It was Joe. There was no one better. You take him on the road with you, you guarantee you were having a party everywhere you go. There's a party at dinner. It's a party hanging out at the hotel afterwards. It's a party. Joey Diaz is there. We're having fun. And, you know, and he just figured out how to be that guy on stage and then he became Joey Diaz. Yeah. But it was like, everybody watched it happen like, whoa, I've never seen anybody just figure it out like that. Hmm. Where like, you went from being a four or a five to a 10. Immediately. And to a 10, where people are lining up in the back of the room going, what the fuck, man? Holy shit.

• 3:14:09Speaker 04

  Did something happen like, did something happen culturally where what he was doing was refreshing too? Or do you really think he just changed?

• 3:14:17Joe Rogan?

  He figured it out. He just figured, he just didn't, he stopped, I stopped giving a fuck.

• 3:14:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:14:22Joe Rogan?

  I stopped giving a fuck about those fucking people.

• 3:14:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:14:25Joe Rogan?

  I was worried about those people. You're gonna give me a job. I wanna, I wanna a job. I was a fucking convict.

• 3:14:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:14:29Joe Rogan?

  I had to be careful.

• 3:14:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:14:31Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then all of a sudden, he's like, these people ain't giving me shit. Fuck these people.

• 3:14:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:14:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, and that was like right around the time ironically that he did the longest yard. So he got, started getting movies, started getting all kinds of things.

• 3:14:42Speaker 04

  That's what always happens.

• 3:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause he didn't give a fuck anymore. And all of a sudden, he was just so funny.

• 3:14:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:14:46Joe Rogan?

  That was undeniable.

• 3:14:47Speaker 04

  And then when you're undeniable, all those opportunities pop up. That's the other thing. It's like, I think, there's, I, sometimes I hear comics talk about like the importance of networking. And I'm like, it's so easy to network when you're funny.

• 3:14:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:00Speaker 04

  Like, once you're funny, people want to talk to you. Like, once they admire what you're doing on that stage, they wanna hang out. The people that are not funny, now you gotta fucking hang out every single second and network and.

• 3:15:10Joe Rogan?

  But the worst is the networking people that aren't funny, that are always trying to get work. And you're like, hey, if I wanted to give you work, I would ask.

• 3:15:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're, you're doing the wrong kind of work. You're doing the network work and not doing the, why am I not funny enough work?

• 3:15:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:15:25Joe Rogan?

  What's missing? Why, why don't I have an audience? Like, why, why do people not wanna go see me again? Like, what is that? Yeah.

• 3:15:32Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah. They will see you again if you give them a good show.

• 3:15:35Joe Rogan?

  If you give them a good show. But if you don't, it's like, hmm, there's a lot of comedy out there, kids.

• 3:15:40Speaker 04

  There is a lot of comedy out there.

• 3:15:40Joe Rogan?

  A lot of comedy out there.

• 3:15:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. I don't know. That's why I like, I, I'm like kinda strict on, you just gotta give them something new every time you go in. Like, I feel strongly about it. Because it's like, if they see the same thing twice, and I'm talking about when I'm going out on a tour.

• 3:15:56Joe Rogan?

  To a new, yeah, to a new market.

• 3:15:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:15:58Joe Rogan?

  A market that you've been to. Yeah, it's very important.

• 3:16:00Speaker 04

  It's expensive.

• 3:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:01Speaker 04

  Like, shit, it's, it's not cheap to go out to a show.

• 3:16:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:16:04Speaker 04

  Like, so if they're getting a babysitter, they're doing the whole thing, and then they see the thing they saw before, it's like, maybe they have a good time, but there's a little part of them they feel maybe taking advantage of in some way.

• 3:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, some of them, they'll wanna see bits again. Like, that's like the Hot Pockets thing with Gaffigan.

• 3:16:17Speaker 04

  But I feel like they wanna see that.

• 3:16:19Joe Rogan?

  And a bunch of other stuff.

• 3:16:20Speaker 04

  Yes, like if you give them forty-five of just new heat that they haven't heard before, and then at the end.

• 3:16:25Joe Rogan?

  You tell the machine story.

• 3:16:26Speaker 04

  They love it.

• 3:16:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:27Speaker 04

  And then you get to live in the nostalgia of it. You get to take your friends that you told this story to, or this joke, it's so funny, I hope he does it. And then you get to watch them experience it.

• 3:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:36Speaker 04

  It's like sharing a clip with them on Instagram and just watching them laugh.

• 3:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:16:39Speaker 04

  So you get to experience that. But like, the whole hour? Nah. You gotta have something new. Like, we gotta... We gotta, we gotta, at least for me, I'm like, that is, that's why I take time off. I'm like, I need...

• 3:16:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the difference between comedy and music, right?

• 3:16:51Speaker 04

  That's why music is fucking... Music, I don't want your new shit.

• 3:16:55Joe Rogan?

  Right. Stop with the new songs, Rolling Stones.

• 3:16:57Speaker 04

  Imagine Oasis is doing a whole new album. You know what I mean? Like, you could go, here's a new one, but I need to hear the hits.

• 3:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:17:08Speaker 04

  And that, yeah, music just has so much more, like, such a great shelf life.

• 3:17:11Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:17:12Speaker 04

  It's just, if a song is hot...

• 3:17:14Joe Rogan?

  There's such a shelf life, they have cover bands.

• 3:17:16Speaker 04

  And we wanna watch them?

• 3:17:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember, anytime I, in L.A., there was a cover band for, uh, what the fuck was it? It was some eighties cover band. I don't know, they were just playing like all these like fun little eighties hits. And it was a thing that would like sell out. Like, people would go to one of these venues, and they go, and they enjoy, and they dress up in stupid eighties shit. It became almost like, uh, what is that music, what is that, um, that movie that people would go see in the East Village? Rocky Horror Picture Show, remember that? Like, you're almost like part of the performance in a way. Like, you're leaning into this, this, uh... This, this customization of what's happening.

• 3:17:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:17:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

• 3:17:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a different art form, obviously. But that's the beautiful thing, it's like, some, something could go down today, you know? And then you can go on stage with it tonight, and everybody's like, oh shit.

• 3:18:09Speaker 04

  That's, I actually, I almost like don't like it when there's nothing to talk about initially.

• 3:18:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:18:14Speaker 04

  Like, I would rather like the thing.

• 3:18:16Joe Rogan?

  A new thing.

• 3:18:17Speaker 04

  We talk about it for at least a minute, and then we're on the same page.

• 3:18:19Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:18:20Speaker 04

  Because the first minute of comedy, like, it is an odd thing. I'm on a stage... You're all sitting.

• 3:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:18:28Speaker 04

  I'm gonna talk as if we're having a conversation, but you're not really allowed to talk.

• 3:18:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:18:33Speaker 04

  A minute in, we forget that.

• 3:18:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:18:36Speaker 04

  You know, it's like you're watching Top Gun or something and you're like, I'm real, this is real and I'm in the movie. But that first minute, but what's great is when there is some sort of controversy or some big news story and like, everybody's thinking about it. They're going, is he gonna talk about it? Like, I'm sure anytime you went through something and the first time you hit the stage, you can feel them.

• 3:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:18:54Speaker 04

  Like, waiting for you to address it.

• 3:18:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:18:56Speaker 04

  That's to me.

• 3:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, that's the best. That's the best, yeah. That's the best. Well, that was Tony after, you know, his cancellation. Like, he, he went in hot and he ca- his bits tightened up too, cuz he knew couldn't have any fat in him, cuz now people are like, they want you to- Yeah, they want you to fall on your face.

• 3:19:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think that's a good, I think that's good to have.

• 3:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:19:16Speaker 04

  You shouldn't get comfy.

• 3:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it's real good. You need some haters.

• 3:19:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's motivation.

• 3:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:19:20Speaker 04

  I'm gonna make this show so sharp that you're gonna have to make, you're gonna have to say something else.

• 3:19:24Joe Rogan?

  Or not, or, you know, look stupid.

• 3:19:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they're never gonna not say something, but they'll be like, oh, but it's this, but it's that, but it's like, you're not gonna talk about the thing that we all care about.

• 3:19:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 3:19:36Speaker 04

  There's one thing we all care about, bro. Paddle.

• 3:19:41Joe Rogan?

  You're so addicted. I saw your bag. I was like, what's in the bag?

• 3:19:45Speaker 04

  I'm going after, I'm gonna play with your boy after this.

• 3:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Who, who you playing with?

• 3:19:49Speaker 04

  Woody Harrelson is like, big into it.

• 3:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he loves it.

• 3:19:52Speaker 04

  And, uh, so we're gonna go play. I think he's like, you know, building a club out here.

• 3:19:56Joe Rogan?

  What's he building? A paddle club?

• 3:19:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think where he's invested in one of the clubs that's, that's going out here.

• 3:20:00Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 3:20:01Speaker 04

  People get upset. It's like golf in that way. Like, people just get obsessed with it.

• 3:20:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:20:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:20:06Joe Rogan?

  You gotta pick the things that you get obsessed with, though. You can't have too many of those things.

• 3:20:09Speaker 04

  I know, cuz our wives won't allow it.

• 3:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Also, life is just, you don't have so much time. Unfortunately, my things take a lot of ti- like, the pool one takes a lot of time.

• 3:20:19Speaker 04

  Being in the forest.

• 3:20:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it takes a lot of time. Takes a week.

• 3:20:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. I lo- I love when I text you, like, out of the blue and I just get a picture of you in like, a foxhole.

• 3:20:30Speaker 04

  Like, this fucking sweaty, grainy picture.

• 3:20:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I sent you a picture of me hunting pigs.

• 3:20:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:20:34Joe Rogan?

  I was in a, a ground blind.

• 3:20:36Speaker 04

  That's it, yeah. I'm in a ground blind right now. And you're still talking shit.

• 3:20:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I had cell phone service.

• 3:20:44Joe Rogan?

  Talking shit while I was waiting for pigs to come out.

• 3:20:46Speaker 04

  Where was it?

• 3:20:47Joe Rogan?

  That was in Texas.

• 3:20:47Speaker 04

  It was in Texas.

• 3:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was out here, man.

• 3:20:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, you need to get rid of them, right? Aren't they like a...

• 3:20:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they're a real problem. Um, I got a lease where me and a bunch of buddies have a lease on this big piece of, uh, hunting land.

• 3:20:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:20:59Joe Rogan?

  And we go out there and, you know, it's, you literally have to kill pigs. And you turn them into sausage and then I give it to my boys. I bring it down to the mothership. I, I brought them coolers of elk meat the other night.

• 3:21:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:21:11Joe Rogan?

  And everybody's like grabbing elk sausage, bringing it home, sending me pictures of them cooking it.

• 3:21:14Speaker 04

  That clip of you and, and Burr, when you gave Burr the elk meat? I think it was on like a Kill Tony at the store or something.

• 3:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Does it make you aggressive?

• 3:21:22Speaker 04

  And then Burr was like, "No, no, Joe."

• 3:21:29Joe Rogan?

  Fucking maniac, what's wrong with you?

• 3:21:31Speaker 04

  You were so hyped for him to be like, "Yes, yes."

• 3:21:33Joe Rogan?

  Tony said it did. I gave him some elk meat.

• 3:21:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then he went on stage at the fucking Trump rally.

• 3:21:39Joe Rogan?

  No, it was the other night. The other night I gave him some and he's like, "Dude, I ate it. I got all this energy. I just felt it. It's like, it's like a wild..." I go, "Yeah, exactly." Like, you're eating the essence of a wild forest horse.

• 3:21:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:21:52Joe Rogan?

  A forest horse that has swords growing out of its head.

• 3:21:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:21:55Joe Rogan?

  It's got spears growing out of its fucking head.

• 3:21:59Joe Rogan?

  Screaming in the woods.

• 3:22:01Speaker 04

  That was the other, that was the other thing. When you did our pod, there was like a compilation of the animal sounds you make, which is the funniest fucking clip I've ever seen. Like, you were gay, cause we got high.

• 3:22:13Speaker 04

  You came in hot, like you had the mushrooms rolling, we were smoking weed, and then you just start talking about bears and all of us are just like, open mouthed. They're like, "They fucking claws."

• 3:22:23Joe Rogan?

  The wild world is, like, you should be in touch with that. Everybody should be in touch with that. People have a ridiculous idea what the wild world is. A buddy of mine sent me a video that his buddy took of, he's in Colorado and he's driving down the street. I'll send it to you, Jamie. He's in Colorado, driving down the street, and he sees a fucking mountain lion take out...

• 3:22:45Joe Rogan?

  A deer right on the side of the fucking highway.

• 3:22:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:22:49Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna send this to you Jamie right now. This is like.

• 3:22:51Speaker 04

  I'm domesticated.

• 3:22:52Joe Rogan?

  Any of these people that like, eh, mountain lions are important, they're a part of the ecosystem. Like, these are wild monsters that live in the... Do you see the one that I got in the lobby? Do you see the mountain lion in the lobby? The big stuffed mountain lion?

• 3:23:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the one you've always had.

• 3:23:05Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 3:23:05Speaker 04

  No, that's the wolf I'm thinking of.

• 3:23:07Joe Rogan?

  The mountain lion is new, the actual mountain lion.

• 3:23:08Speaker 04

  I didn't see it.

• 3:23:09Joe Rogan?

  My friend Adam Green Tree shot it in Colorado.

• 3:23:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 3:23:12Joe Rogan?

  And it was killing cows, like slaughtering cows on this, uh, this ranch in, in Colorado. Like, this, look at this. This is the side of... Give me some volume on this. Listen to this.

• 3:23:26Joe Rogan?

  Look at this deer. This mountain lion's got it by the neck.

• 3:23:30Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 3:23:35Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 3:23:36Joe Rogan?

  And he's trying to drag his way free.

• 3:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah! He got out. And then this dude helped him with the horn.

• 3:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Every now and then, the good guys win.

• 3:23:50Joe Rogan?

  Ain't that crazy? But that's on the side of the road in Colorado. Like, that could be a hiker. One hundred percent. One hundred percent, that could be a hiker. It's a little lady, some small lady, some hundred-pound lady that's walking around, you know?

• 3:24:05Speaker 04

  Are they the good guys, though? I've thought about that.

• 3:24:08Joe Rogan?

  The mountain lions?

• 3:24:09Speaker 04

  No, the deer.

• 3:24:11Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:24:11Speaker 04

  Like, the prey...

• 3:24:12Joe Rogan?

  No, they're food.

• 3:24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, but, but it's like, they've evolved to escape these guys, and that's why they're still around.

• 3:24:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:24:19Speaker 04

  So they have a competitive advantage over the predators, or else they just wouldn't exist.

• 3:24:24Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:24:24Speaker 04

  But I guess, I guess what I'm trying to say is like...

• 3:24:27Joe Rogan?

  They don't have an advantage, they're just hard to kill.

• 3:24:29Speaker 04

  Okay, they're hard to kill, but they've evolved to be hard to kill.

• 3:24:31Joe Rogan?

  But they get killed every day.

• 3:24:32Speaker 04

  Sure, sure, sure, sure. But like, a lot of times, they're going for the weak, they're going for the wounded, or going for the babies. Because if you go for like, the big dogs, it's gonna be more difficult, you're gonna expend more energy to kill them.

• 3:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:24:41Speaker 04

  But I look at the predators and I'm like, they can't eat grass.

• 3:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:24:46Speaker 04

  Like, they would love to eat grass. Grass is an easier life.

• 3:24:50Joe Rogan?

  It's everywhere.

• 3:24:50Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, they have to go attack these animals that have the swords coming out of their head.

• 3:24:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:24:56Speaker 04

  So there is a version where I look at it, I'm like, who's really burdened here?

• 3:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the deer don't have the swords coming out of their head to fight off mountain lions.

• 3:25:04Speaker 04

  It's just a.

• 3:25:05Joe Rogan?

  They don't use them for mountain lions. They use them to fight each other.

• 3:25:08Speaker 04

  Just to fuck females.

• 3:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just a dominance thing, so they could show the females that they're the dominant males. They have the biggest racks and they smash racks with other deer.

• 3:25:17Speaker 04

  But they don't use it at all as defense against predators?

• 3:25:19Joe Rogan?

  No, not really.

• 3:25:20Speaker 04

  I mean, that's stupid.

• 3:25:22Joe Rogan?

  They're not smart.

• 3:25:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:25:23Joe Rogan?

  They're wary, but they're not intelligent. They're not like clever.

• 3:25:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:25:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, mountain lions are clever. Wolves are really clever.

• 3:25:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't fuck with the wolves, man.

• 3:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Wolves are really clever. They have some sort of psychic communication with each other.

• 3:25:37Speaker 04

  Oh, you think that?

• 3:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they coordinate, and they don't know exactly how they do it, but they figure out traps. Well, like, one wolf will come in and they'll have other wolves flank the animals. So the animals start to scatter and the wolves come in from the sides and get them. Coyotes do the same thing.

• 3:25:52Speaker 04

  And they'll hunt humans too, right?

• 3:25:53Joe Rogan?

  They used to. They used to a lot. I mean, World War I, they actually had a ceasefire between the Russians and the Germans because the wolves were killing so many people. They decided, we have to stop and kill wolves.

• 3:26:03Speaker 04

  So they came together, took out the wolves, and then they just started killing each other?

• 3:26:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because you gotta realize they're in trench warfare, right? So people get shot and they're bleeding and the wolves smell the blood. So the wolves were, they would hear guys getting torn apart in the middle of the night by wolves. The wolves had made their way into the foxholes and were just ripping guys apart.

• 3:26:24Joe Rogan?

  Imagine you're lying in a trench and you hear that, like, a hundred yards away? A guy getting eaten alive by wolves?

• 3:26:30Speaker 04

  How much you think people knew about war during World War I?

• 3:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Very little, right? I mean, they knew war existed, but there's no footage, right? There's no photographs. There's just a concept. There's this idea.

• 3:26:45Speaker 04

  And they're just being fed like propaganda constantly from, you know, their own countries. I just, I like wonder what happens when all those guys come home and they're clearly traumatized. But everybody else has just been consuming the propaganda about just, oh, look what these doing and they're fighting for us and everything is amazing and we're winning the war and all this positivity that's probably emanating through news. And then these guys come home and they start sharing like the actual stories.

• 3:27:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:27:10Speaker 04

  Like, ugh.

• 3:27:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, they just come back shell shocked. Like, you ever see Peaky Blinders, that show?

• 3:27:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I watched a couple of seasons when I think Cormac McCarthy was directing. No, no, am I getting that name right?

• 3:27:20Joe Rogan?

  I might be messing up, but yeah. Cormac McCarthy's the author, right? Oh, no, so I'm thinking of a different guy. Yeah, did he do Angela's ashes? Cormac McCarthy, there's the craziest. Who's the guy who directed the first couple of seasons? The craziest headline of all time is connected to Cormac McCarthy. I'm gonna send Jamie this.

• 3:27:39Joe Rogan?

  Look at this headline. This is an article from The Atlantic. This might be literally the craziest headline that anyone has ever put in an article before. You don't have to pull it up, it's just, it's just a headline of an article.

• 3:27:55Joe Rogan?

  Cormac McCarthy's ex-wife pulled a gun out of her vagina during an argument about aliens.

• 3:28:03Joe Rogan?

  A little 38? Probably a 22. Yeah, we need to know.

• 3:28:10Joe Rogan?

  I need to know what he said about aliens. It was probably a little Derringer, one of them little two-shot, little tiny pistols you could stick in your cooter. To have a gun in your pussy is crazy.

• 3:28:23Joe Rogan?

  They were having an argument about aliens, she's like, "I'm not hearing anymore."

• 3:28:30Joe Rogan?

  Enough, motherfucker! But why was it in there? Because they're drunk as fuck, they're probably having a good time. Most writers, I think, like especially old-timey writers. Well, Hemingway was a big drunk. I think those people part, like Hunter S. Thompson, craziest of all. I think those people party. Stephen King, when he was in his prime, cocaine, alcohol. All those people that wrote great shit, they were all out of their fucking head.

• 3:28:54Speaker 03

  It's a little crazier than two, though.

• 3:28:58Joe Rogan?

  Due to these change, McCarthy went into her bedroom and emerged wearing lingerie. Her boyfriend probably thought, "Oh, great, reconciliation sex time. Sorry for being skeptical of your out-of-body experience, hon." Until McCarthy pulled a Switton Wesson out of her vagina and proceeded to have intercourse with the gun. I don't know why intercourse, asking her boyfriend, "Who's crazy, you or me?"

• 3:29:21Joe Rogan?

  So she's fucking herself with the gun? Yeah, okay.

• 3:29:25Joe Rogan?

  My kind of gal.

• 3:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What? Who's crazy, you or me? Why you got a gun in your pussy? Um...

• 3:29:35Speaker 04

  You got it, you got it.

• 3:29:37Joe Rogan?

  So she was, she was telling him about having some sort of an alien abduction experience. He didn't want to believe it. He thought she was crazy. So she's like, "I'll show you."

• 3:29:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, you win, you win. I think you win, you got abducted. I'm not arguing.

• 3:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Bro, she might have.

• 3:29:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:29:56Joe Rogan?

  She might have. I mean, imagine you get abducted by aliens and you have to tell people? And you're like a person who wants to be taken seriously in all their walks of life? And you have to tell them that they drained your sperm on a spaceship and showed you hybrids?

• 3:30:09Speaker 04

  That's why I kind of, I like, believed the Lazar dude. Like, when we went to dinner.

• 3:30:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:30:15Speaker 04

  He was, he was like, shell shocked a little bit.

• 3:30:18Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 3:30:19Speaker 04

  He was like, reluctant.

• 3:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 3:30:21Speaker 04

  Do you remember that?

• 3:30:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah. Oh, that's why I brought you. I was like, "Oh, come, come sit with me." Because this is the first time I'm hanging, hanging with this guy. Like, I think you and me together would be a fun combination. To sit down and talk to Bob Lazar.

• 3:30:32Speaker 04

  And it was just like, it was almost like he didn't want to share it in a lot of ways.

• 3:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:30:38Speaker 04

  And...

• 3:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Imagine people think you're a kook for forty years?

• 3:30:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:30:44Joe Rogan?

  For forty years, people have been thinking, "You're out of your fucking mind, you're a liar, you make things up." And then, over time, all of a sudden, footage starts emerging? And like, 2017 of these crafts doing exactly what you described? Moving in a way that's exactly like what you were saying? And then, there starts getting these whistleblowers, these David Grushes and Lou Elizondo say, "We have a crash retrieval program. We've had it for a long time. The problem is, "These defense contractors have access to this stuff, they lied to Congress, there's misappropriation of funds, "There's a lot attached to this, and that's why they're not releasing it."

• 3:31:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:31:18Joe Rogan?

  Which is nuts, if that's true.

• 3:31:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's why I always say when people ask me, they're like, I would just be like, "I believe he believes it." I can't say what it is, obviously, I'm not there, I don't know anything, but like, I don't think he was a... What are they called, like a charlatan or whatever that word is? Like, I don't think he's making this up for attention.

• 3:31:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:31:37Speaker 04

  I believe he believes what he saw.

• 3:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Something happened. He saw something, and he was a legitimate propulsion expert, and he really did work for Los Alamos Labs, which is doing all sorts of wild shit, and then he really did work for Area S4. Like, somehow or another, he was shipped over there to Area 51, Site 4, and he says they have UFOs. He said they have like seven of them.

• 3:32:03Speaker 04

  Good.

• 3:32:04Joe Rogan?

  He said one of them is really old. He said they said it was a part of an archaeological dig. Here's what's crazy about that. I have this guy Ben Van Kirkwick. He has that YouTube page called Uncharted X, and he's...

• 3:32:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:32:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, great guy.

• 3:32:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:32:21Joe Rogan?

  They have found through the use of, um, ground penetrating radar, they found these labyrinthes in Egypt that are so fucking huge and under- underground, like, deep underground, but these massive, like, corridors that lead into these atriums, like, ma- and they found a forty-meter-long metallic object that's under the ground in Egypt. Forty meters long, metallic, some unknown metal, that's under the ground, and it doesn't, whatever it is, they know it's metallic, it doesn't have any sort of signature that is reminiscent of any other metal that we know about.

• 3:33:04Speaker 04

  It was a specific, it was a specific historical site, I think, that they found in Egypt.

• 3:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Herodotus talked about it.

• 3:33:09Speaker 04

  What was it called?

• 3:33:11Joe Rogan?

  I think it's called the labyrinth. I think that's how it's referred.

• 3:33:14Speaker 04

  But yeah, this is not like, uh, it's like a figment of people's imagination, like, this is something that...

• 3:33:19Joe Rogan?

  Historically documented, throughout time, for thousands of years, and that Herodotus talked about it being greater than the Pyramids of Giza. Underground.

• 3:33:28Joe Rogan?

  And since, so in 1960, Ben was telling us, in the 60s, they built a dam. And, you know, to help the farmers in the area, and unfortunately, it raised the water table.

• 3:33:39Speaker 04

  Oh, and that's why.

• 3:33:40Joe Rogan?

  And it fucked it up, and it flooded these labyrinth, because otherwise, they would have just been able to dig down into it and enter in. And now, it's all filled with water.

• 3:33:47Speaker 04

  Is it filled with water or sediment because of the expansion of the water?

• 3:33:51Joe Rogan?

  It's both, and there's sediment, of course, that comes with the water, but there's water, but then below the water table.

• 3:33:56Speaker 04

  Is where you actually see it.

• 3:33:58Joe Rogan?

  So he's saying there might be a way that they could tunnel from the side.

• 3:34:01Speaker 04

  There's absolutely.

• 3:34:02Joe Rogan?

  Past where the water comes in, but they don't want to admit that it's real, like, all these Egyptologists are kind of like freaked out about it.

• 3:34:08Speaker 04

  Ozahi? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I don't know if that went the way that he thought it was gonna go.

• 3:34:13Joe Rogan?

  It went the way I thought it was gonna go.

• 3:34:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. Gavin, pay attention.

• 3:34:20Speaker 04

  It's not gonna go as you see it going.

• 3:34:22Joe Rogan?

  I'm really high on California.

• 3:34:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:34:25Joe Rogan?

  I like how he's like trying to tweet as Trump, like, you don't even have your own style, you're mocking his style to try to tweet.

• 3:34:32Speaker 04

  Trump is, Trump is kinder than me, bro.

• 3:34:35Joe Rogan?

  He's also making things up, like California derangement syndrome.

• 3:34:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:34:39Joe Rogan?

  No, it's like, these are facts.

• 3:34:41Speaker 04

  The people are frustrated.

• 3:34:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:34:43Speaker 04

  And they have the right to be frustrated, don't gaslight your own people.

• 3:34:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:34:46Speaker 04

  I think that's, I think that's upsetting, like, if I was from there, and I was upset with what was going on, and I complained about it, and the guy who's in charge says, oh, you're just deranged?

• 3:34:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, listen, you don't see a similar uprising against Florida. You don't. Florida boomed economically during COVID.

• 3:35:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:35:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, a lot of people moved there.

• 3:35:05Speaker 04

  A lot of people moved.

• 3:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Why? Because they had completely different regulations, and they allowed people to be free, and now DeSantis is even talking about removing property tax.

• 3:35:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 3:35:13Joe Rogan?

  Which is a game changer, because that really is kind of gross. I don't know, I don't understand any of it.

• 3:35:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, me neither, I don't fucking know, but like. That is tricky, though.

• 3:35:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:35:22Speaker 04

  The idea that like you buy a home and then you continually have to pay the government to own your own home.

• 3:35:27Joe Rogan?

  How about even worse? What if you bought a home a long time ago and you paid twenty thousand dollars for it in like nineteen forty?

• 3:35:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:35:33Joe Rogan?

  And now, all of a sudden, it's worth two million.

• 3:35:36Speaker 04

  And you have to pay the current level?

• 3:35:37Joe Rogan?

  So you have taxes on two million.

• 3:35:38Speaker 04

  Oh, it's not based on...

• 3:35:39Joe Rogan?

  Different states have different rules.

• 3:35:41Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 3:35:41Joe Rogan?

  But in some states, you have to pay tax on the amount of money your house is worth.

• 3:35:45Speaker 04

  Is it the justification that like this is what maintains the streets and this is what maintains the community?

• 3:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, the justification is like, say, if you buy a two million dollar home, you should be contributing with your property taxes to schools and all sorts of other things, which totally makes sense.

• 3:35:59Speaker 04

  I believe in that, yeah.

• 3:35:59Joe Rogan?

  But the problem is, like, if you're eighty years old and you bought this house for twenty thousand dollars and you're on social security and now, all of a sudden, you owe money on something you already bought to a government that does a terrible job of using your money.

• 3:36:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Terrible job, documented terrible job of spending your money. Yeah.

• 3:36:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just, I don't know why he's poking the... I don't know why he's poking, man. I don't know why he's poking. Also, like, didn't Trump's kid pipe his wife or whatever?

• 3:36:30Joe Rogan?

  His ex.

• 3:36:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, I would have tweeted that.

• 3:36:37Speaker 04

  You know, like, that's... I'm more petty than these motherfuckers that... You know what I mean? You're not gonna talk shit about me and my voice and my kid piped your wife.

• 3:36:46Speaker 04

  That's coming out immediately. Why don't you pull my kid's dick out of your wife? That's my immediate tweet.

• 3:36:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Interesting. It's interesting.

• 3:36:55Speaker 04

  I think that there's...

• 3:36:56Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting.

• 3:36:57Speaker 04

  AIPAC?

• 3:36:58Joe Rogan?

  I've never thought about it.

• 3:36:58Speaker 04

  It is interesting.

• 3:36:59Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting. Uh, it's just, it's just interesting.

• 3:37:02Speaker 04

  I think, yeah, I think that there's...

• 3:37:04Joe Rogan?

  You ran short of words, son. For a guy who's really good at talking, they brought up AIPAC, you clammed up right quick.

• 3:37:10Speaker 04

  Real fast.

• 3:37:11Joe Rogan?

  Right quick.

• 3:37:11Speaker 04

  I just, I never thought about it.

• 3:37:12Joe Rogan?

  Never?

• 3:37:13Speaker 04

  I thought about J-PAC but not AIPAC, like, I definitely thought about it.

• 3:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Never thought about it. Never thought about it.

• 3:37:17Speaker 04

  Alright, well, now you can think.

• 3:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, you just passed some sort of a...

• 3:37:21Speaker 04

  The AI bill?

• 3:37:22Joe Rogan?

  Anti-Semitism thing.

• 3:37:22Speaker 04

  Oh, there's another.

• 3:37:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what was the anti-Semitism thing that they just, uh, pushed through?

• 3:37:28Speaker 04

  No, wait, wait, was it the one about the schools that they then rebuked it?

• 3:37:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know. It was just something, someone was connecting it to, this is why Gavin... It was a Twitter thing that I was reading. Someone was saying, oh, this is why Gavin Newsom didn't want to say anything when they were talking about AIPAC.

• 3:37:40Speaker 04

  He wants it bad. Like, you can tell he wants it bad.

• 3:37:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:37:43Speaker 04

  But, uh... It's almost like having less time in government is beneficial to becoming president?

• 3:37:50Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. That's why I think if the Democrats have somebody that's really got a shot, it's that Talarico guy. James Talarico.

• 3:37:57Speaker 04

  The guy that you had on the pod?

• 3:37:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I think he's legitimate. I think he's the real deal, like what he says he is, is what he is.

• 3:38:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:38:06Joe Rogan?

  Very religious person who has a really good point. When he talks about Texas, like there's these very, very wealthy billionaires that are trying to turn the state into theocracy. And they want to, that's why they got the Ten Commandments pushed into every school, all the public schools here. He's like, they want to defund public schools and fund religious schools. And he's like, these people are dangerous. This idea is dangerous. And like, the far right is just as dangerous as the far left. And if you're on the right and you don't recognize this kind of, this kind of shit is, and this is a really religious guy.

• 3:38:33Speaker 04

  And that's where you trust it even more. Someone actually really believes in it that's pushing back and goes, this is against like the values of our country.

• 3:38:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 3:38:40Speaker 04

  He might agree with all those things that they're pushing, but he's like, I don't think it should be like governmentally enforced in schools.

• 3:38:46Joe Rogan?

  He's very well versed in the Bible and is literally in seminary right now. Like, this is a guy that's very religious, like legitimately religious and has been his whole life.

• 3:38:54Speaker 04

  But that's the thing, you need to shake shit up and you especially need to shake shit up with your own party. I mean, that's what Trump did with Republicans. That's what any candidate that ends up winning does, is you have to be like the candidate of rebellion to a certain extent. Like, you've even seen what's happened in New York right now. Like, you could hate every policy that Mumdani has, but you can't deny that he's at least saying things that tap into the concerns and frustrations of New Yorkers.

• 3:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Right. You left those people out of the conversation.

• 3:39:21Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 3:39:22Joe Rogan?

  And now the chickens have come home to roost.

• 3:39:23Speaker 04

  There it is. So it's like, I will not at all, I'll, I won't at all criticize him for trying to fix problems that people have, when the other guys there are just saying, we're not gonna do anything.

• 3:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:39:35Speaker 04

  I think it was a lot of times the frustrations with the last election. It's just like, people were frustrated with Biden. They just didn't think that he was all there. They didn't know who was running the country and they didn't like what was happening. And then she came in and she wouldn't separate herself at all. So that's on you. Like, you have to give people, you have to give people hope. And oftentimes, hope is being the candidate of rebellion, and that usually is what ends up winning.

• 3:39:56Joe Rogan?

  Do you see that people ragging on her conversation with Kara Swisher? She was on stage with Kara Swisher and she, even Kara Swisher was kinda like ragging on her a little bit. She was like, uh, you know, uh, a lot of, some people said that I was the most qualified person to ever run for president. Like, who said that? And Kara's like, some people said that? Like, who said that? You are literally running against a guy who is already president. So if you're, if you're going, if you're going based on your resume, you're not more qualified than Biden. Biden was the vice president of the United States for eight years.

• 3:40:29Speaker 04

  Best thing for the Republican Party right now is her book tour. Because every time she talks on camera, there's a reminder as to why she lost. When she went away for a while, I think you could be like, you could pretend about what she was and what she stood for.

• 3:40:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:40:45Speaker 04

  But the second she does an interview and she's like, yeah, I couldn't have Pete be my vice president, he's a gay.

• 3:40:52Speaker 04

  And then Rachel Maddow's like, what do you mean? She's like, no, I'm not exactly saying, but he likes guys.

• 3:40:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:40:57Speaker 04

  You're like, what, what is going on right now?

• 3:40:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's too risky.

• 3:40:59Speaker 04

  It's too risky.

• 3:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. How dare you say Merry Christmas? How dare you? She's, it's like, the same thing, man. Did you see her Columbus Day message to America?

• 3:41:10Speaker 04

  What was the Columbus?

• 3:41:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, it was like, don't forget the horrors that the Europeans did to the, okay, Jesus.

• 3:41:17Speaker 04

  Did he even get here?

• 3:41:18Joe Rogan?

  Scolding.

• 3:41:20Speaker 04

  Did he get here or not?

• 3:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Columbus?

• 3:41:21Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Did not get here, no.

• 3:41:23Speaker 04

  So take that up with the Dominican Republic or whatever.

• 3:41:25Joe Rogan?

  Ah, where we landed.

• 3:41:27Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying, it's like.

• 3:41:28Joe Rogan?

  But it wasn't Columbus necessarily, I mean, the idea is, I think it's Indigenous Peoples' Day. I think it stopped being Columbus Day after a while.

• 3:41:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:41:35Joe Rogan?

  And they call it Indigenous Peoples' Day. Which makes sense.

• 3:41:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, like, shout out to them. I think it's funny when governments do these things for like, uh, enforced care. Like, anytime I'm performing in Canada, like, if it's on like, an indigenous area, they make me do like a...

• 3:41:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, land acknowledgement.

• 3:41:51Speaker 04

  And I remember the first time they told me, I was like, you want me to what? And they're like, yeah, we want you to let them know that this used to be native land. And I'm like, I remember telling it to like, the chief of the tribe, and I'm like, brother, that kinda seems like I'm bragging. Like, I'm going up there and be like, yo, this used to be yours, but...

• 3:42:08Joe Rogan?

  The boys came in.

• 3:42:11Speaker 04

  Got y'all the fuck out of here like you really want me to go and remind everybody what happened before the comedy show?

• 3:42:17Joe Rogan?

  You know what my favorite part about that is? It's a land acknowledgement, but also saying, we're not giving it back.

• 3:42:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 3:42:23Joe Rogan?

  We stole it, but it's ours now.

• 3:42:25Speaker 04

  So what do we do? Who are we doing this for?

• 3:42:27Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, we're gonna acknowledge the fact that we're on stolen land. But the thing, the thing is, these people that go along with that are also the same people that want no borders. And, uh, no one's illegal being anywhere. Like Christopher Columbus is the only immigrant they hate.

• 3:42:44Speaker 04

  Yo, that was, there was, yeah.

• 3:42:47Joe Rogan?

  There's no borders, you know, no one's illegal, but yet these people shouldn't have been here.

• 3:42:53Speaker 04

  We let a Spanish speaking guy into America once. Went great.

• 3:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Can't see any problem with that. Ended the Mayan empire. They gave them all fucking diseases. Jesus Christ.

• 3:43:10Speaker 04

  No, it's hilarious. So think about what they did, what Cortez did to Mexico.

• 3:43:14Joe Rogan?

  I know. Like, my god.

• 3:43:17Joe Rogan?

  I know, it's nuts.

• 3:43:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, fucked up shit happened.

• 3:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, human beings did that, but also, yeah, bad. The diseases, the slaughter, also. What they did to each other was horrible.

• 3:43:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, human beings do fucked up shit.

• 3:43:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and always have.

• 3:43:32Speaker 04

  We're here now. What are we gonna do now? That's my worry. So what are we gonna do now? It's like, it's like you go into the doctor, you got lung cancer, and the doctor's like, let's talk about all them cigarettes you were smoking. And it's like, why don't we talk about all that chemo you gonna give me? Like, tell me what we're gonna do now to get rid of this shit.

• 3:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, don't tell me about what I did. I know what I did.

• 3:43:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Alright, brother.

• 3:43:53Speaker 04

  My boy.

• 3:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Go play some fucking paddle. This is fun.

• 3:43:56Speaker 04

  You gotta come. I gotta get you on a paddle.

• 3:43:58Joe Rogan?

  I can't today. I got too much shit to do.

• 3:44:00Speaker 04

  Alright, fine. One of these days, I'm getting out there.

• 3:44:01Joe Rogan?

  I'll go out there with you.

• 3:44:02Speaker 04

  Anyway, I love you, dog.

• 3:44:03Joe Rogan?

  I love you too, brother. Always good to hang.

• 3:44:05Speaker 04

  Always great to hang.

• 3:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Alright, bye, everybody.

• 3:44:23Joe Rogan?

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