KHC 182 - Sh*tTalkers Weekly 22

Join us for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly podcast episode where we discuss memorable moments from Seattle Supercross, Truett and Max Jolliffe’s viral handshake photo, Olympic highlights like Alysa Liu’s excellence and the U. S. hockey victory, and broader political and historical propagandas. Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – An Award from a Customer, Death Threats, & Israel 00:10:00 – Seattle Supercross: Flaming Arrow & a Thank You to Neil Storz 00:15:23 – Cameron McAdoo’s Athlete Ability 00:16:39 – Charlie Lawrence: $50,000 to Break the Backyard Ultra Record 00:20:35 – Max Jolliffe & Truett Hanes Viral Handshake Photo 00:29:32 – A Connection to Nature & Wildlife 00:32:42 – Alysa Liu Olympics Excellence 00:37:16 – Olympics U. S. Hockey Win & Trump’s Speech 00:40:50 – Political Propaganda 00:45:36 – The U. S. Military: Is it Worth Serving Anymore? 00:50:47 – American History & Regime Changes 00:57:38 – McKay Nelson: Sub-3 Marathon in 90 Days 01:00:10 – NEW Elk Heaven T-Shirt - Win an Elk Hunt 01:01:15 – Ian Larios’ Injury Running 460km Around Bali 01:02:24 – Hilary and Bill Clinton Testimonies 01:06:22 – ROKA Sunglasses Shoutout 01:08:24 – Andy Glaze: Smile or Your Doing it Wrong 01:10:16 – Chito Vera’s Fight & Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off

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• 0:00Cameron Hanes?

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• 0:42Cameron Hanes?

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• 1:25Cameron Hanes?

  That's why I work with them, because they are the best. For me, I want the most energy I can shoot in a bow. I want a heavy arrow hitting hard. To do that, I like to shoot 90 pounds. I shoot a 90-pound bow because I want a hard-hitting arrow delivered with enough force to push through, say, a rib or the edge of a shoulder blade. Because it's bow hunting. Not every shot is going to be perfect. But when the animal reacts, or maybe I don't make the most perfect shot, I still want to deliver a lethal arrow and a 90-pound bow gives me more room for error. If you shoot 60 and I shoot 90, I will kill every animal you will kill at 60 pounds,

• 2:10Cameron Hanes?

  but you won't kill every animal I will at 90. That's just the way it goes. That's why I shoot the most poundage I can, and for me, that's a 90-pound bow. You can't pull 90? Don't worry. Most people can't. Hoyt makes bows for hunters at all levels, and they're all the best on the market. Hoyt will never rest on their laurels and bring subpar products to the market. And that's why I love working with them. The 90-pound bow to multiple iterations, and while I was impatient, they were not. The 90-pound bow took multiple iterations, and while I was impatient, they were not. They wanted it perfected. That's who they are, and that tells you a lot about the people working there.

• 2:51Cameron Hanes?

  Unfortunately, they don't offer discounts on bows, but if you want to grab some Hoyt merch or selected accessories, you can use my code CAM for 20% off. If you're serious about archery and you want something you can rely on, shoot a Hoyt. Go find one at your local dealer, just like the bow rack here down the street from me, and try it for yourself. Get serious, get Hoyt, and keep hammering.

• 3:33Cameron Hanes?

  You ready?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm ready. I practiced my lines.

• 3:35Cameron Hanes?

  Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Are we live?

• 3:38Speaker 01

  We're live.

• 3:40Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammering Collective. Do we know what shit talkers episode this is?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Twenty-one? Two.

• 3:47Cameron Hanes?

  Twenty-two. Okay. We call that in the business, double deuces.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:58Cameron Hanes?

  If we do that.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  I don't know in what business, but.

• 4:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Well, you might remember a long time ago, we got nominated for a nomination.

• 4:09Cameron Hanes?

  Uh huh. Did we win?

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Look at this.

• 4:13Cameron Hanes?

  Did we win?

• 4:14Speaker 01

  The Dundee Award.

• 4:15Cameron Hanes?

  Nice. What does that mean?

• 4:18Speaker 01

  It's really nice. That's from The Office, the Dundees.

• 4:22Cameron Hanes?

  So we won?

• 4:23Speaker 01

  So we won an award.

• 4:24Cameron Hanes?

  Is this like, so is this an actual, is this an Oscar or something different?

• 4:29Speaker 01

  This is from a, a listener.

• 4:31Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  And he wrote a note, Cole Zimmerman and the Zimmerman family.

• 4:34Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, nice.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I'm going to read these. These are really nice.

• 4:37Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Uh, he added both in here at the end, just to make me feel included. So that's nice, but.

• 4:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Really, it's just to you.

• 4:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Okay. After hearing you guys joke about being nominated for a nomination for an Academy Award, also an Oscar, we learned that.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  It gave me an even better idea, a Dundee Award. Too bad we couldn't present it at a Chili's. We're super excited for Shit Talkers merch when it comes out too. This is a while ago. Been a huge fan for the last three years, so I'm super glad to be able to send this to you guys. And yes, our son was partially named after Cam. I'm not a psycho fan. I promise. It's just, I like the name. We both agreed on it and I like that it would have some meaning. Thank you both for being such inspirations.

• 5:25Cameron Hanes?

  Isn't this what you do when you're up there and somebody's like accepting it? The other person has to be like.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Now from the wife, this is a PS.

• 5:34Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  She didn't include both. This has nothing to do with me.

• 5:37Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  I've started reading Endure during my son's nap time and I'm a huge fan. You've really gotten my ass into gear since having my son and made me realize there's no excuse to continue on the path of laziness. I'm currently three months postpartum, running every day along with strength training, and I feel better now than I did before giving birth. Can't wait to hear, or no, wait, can't wait to order undeniable and Shit Talkers merch. Thank you for being an inspiration to quit being a loser with excuses and to work harder. Haley Zimmerman, a 24 year old mom leaving excuses in the past.

• 6:07Cameron Hanes?

  That is nice.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  I know.

• 6:08Cameron Hanes?

  That those, that's a cool family right there. Thank you. Zimmerman family.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Well, I think you need to have a acceptance speech, like Matthew McConaughey.

• 6:19Cameron Hanes?

  What did he say?

• 6:22Cameron Hanes?

  How many times you jerk off a day?

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Those are rookie numbers.

• 6:34Cameron Hanes?

  That kind of screwed up the the the thankfulness.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 6:39Cameron Hanes?

  Anyway.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  I thought that was cool. He was he was like, oh, I want to send you this. And I'm like, please don't send a bomb.

• 6:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we got enough death threats coming in.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So.

• 6:51Cameron Hanes?

  And not just for me, but for my family, too.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  That's kind of fun.

• 6:55Cameron Hanes?

  That was cool.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a I think that's a real manly thing to do.

• 6:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And he called me a coward.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Cameron Hanes?

  Is that what it was?

• 7:02Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 7:03Cameron Hanes?

  For having a civil discussion with somebody that he didn't like. And maybe I I had some issues with, you know, wanted to to sit down and see where she's coming from. This is Valentina Gomez. And it's like, that is that a problem? We can't just sit and talk civil discussions?

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Here's what I don't get, right? So I'm guessing he doesn't like her for some of her hot takes on certain ethnic groups.

• 7:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  So in response, you threaten to kill somebody in their family?

• 7:35Cameron Hanes?

  Seems pretty normal. Yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  In what world does that logic make sense?

• 7:39Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I don't I guess this world nowadays, because it's a it's a free for all. I cannot believe all this shit going on in this country.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  In this in the world.

• 7:53Cameron Hanes?

  In the I just don't even I'm ready to just. Yeah, maybe maybe I do need to get killed. That would be that would be a nice relief, I think.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Joke's on you. You're doing me a surgery.

• 8:05Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I can't even I can't even hardly take it. I hate looking at social media because I just get pissed.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Well, I also don't know what's real.

• 8:12Cameron Hanes?

  Me neither. And I don't know. It's all propaganda.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  I know.

• 8:15Cameron Hanes?

  It's all. Oh, we're, oh, you know, bombing the [__] out of Iran and they're like depleted. And it's like, are they depleted or are we depleted? Cause we just kind of blew our load in Ukraine with all our money and resources. And now do we have, are, are we good? Or are the reports that I hear that all our shit's blown up, um, our ships have to leave pretty soon to go restock and refuel and reload or whatever the [__], and so we'll have, I mean, I-

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Three fighter pilots shot down by friendly fire.

• 8:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, it, you know, bombing like girls' schools is like, seems like it's going really well. And luckily we got our secretary of war up there sounding like a complete dumb-

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 9:07Cameron Hanes?

  It seems like a Saturday Night Live skit.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:11Cameron Hanes?

  I'm like, what? I, I'm, I have never been more disappointed in this country.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  And while all that's going on, so they got your, your attention here, they're still trying to push for the whole land grab thing. So we still have to-

• 9:25Cameron Hanes?

  And deleting 65,000 pages of Epstein files with all the Trump references. That's weird. That's not predictable.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Or how about all the emails between 1999 and 2001? Are we just gonna-

• 9:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What happened during that time? I can't-

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you who did it.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Dude, I-

• 9:46Cameron Hanes?

  I can't take it, dude.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  I can't either. This is, I, last night I'm like laying there, wait, can't go to sleep. And I'm like,

• 9:54Speaker 01

  I, I felt, I fell into a spiral of like, is this even, are we even real?

• 10:00Cameron Hanes?

  I don't even know. I don't, I don't, I don't get it.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  And then I'm like, then I was like, okay, well, my response would be just to focus on what's in front of me, what I can see, get outside, exercise. But then I'm like, maybe that's what they want me to do.

• 10:15Cameron Hanes?

  You're falling right into their trap. I know. It's, you know, you go down these rabbit holes and then you start, I didn't know, okay. First of all,

• 10:27Cameron Hanes?

  Here's, here's what's crazy. Right now, Israel is, they know this is their last run with, with the US. Because everybody's kind of awake on the whole Israel tie.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:41Cameron Hanes?

  And the control. And they're like, wait, what, how much money do we send this tiny country? Why? Why are we sending them $10 billion a year? And why do they have free healthcare? Meanwhile, people here can't even afford to buy a house.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:56Cameron Hanes?

  Can't afford healthcare.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Just if you guys don't know who's paying for all those benefits.

• 11:00Cameron Hanes?

  We are.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:01Cameron Hanes?

  We, our taxes pay for that whole country. And now they drug us into this, so this war is like, oh, we had to, Israel was going to, Israel, Israel was going to. It's like, well, let them do it. Good luck.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Why, why do we have to?

• 11:20Cameron Hanes?

  So we're not quite ready, but ah, God, I guess we gotta go. Good decision.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then the other shitty thing is like, you know, I see an Instagram video of Iran's bombing some American base, whatever it is. And the comments are like, well, serves you right. I'm like, there, there's real people dying.

• 11:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  It's not good on either side.

• 11:41Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Like, just because I don't agree with us going to war with them, or the ties to Israel, the people that are serving our country are still dying.

• 11:50Cameron Hanes?

  I, it just makes me sick.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:52Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like, then Trump up there, Trump's up there saying, yeah, people die and you know, it's gonna, probably gonna be more of them. It's like, hey, how about these drapes? This, this remodel, is this amazing? These, I mean, I'm pretty good at this stuff. It's just like, what? What the are you talking about? You're talking about these drapes? You got American soldiers dying for this up war? And you're talking about your remodel?

• 12:23Speaker 01

  It's wild.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Well, we can, we can get back into that, but to, to

• 12:35Speaker 01

  give the people a reprieve from this problem that they're also having, they, they come to shit talkers. So let's, we'll raise the spirits here for a second. We, uh,

• 12:45Cameron Hanes?

  Sorry about that. I just had to get that off my chest. I think we're good now for, for a minute.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  For five minutes or so.

• 12:51Cameron Hanes?

  Till I look at this propaganda machine we call social media that they just, they basically invented to with us.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  To control us.

• 13:01Cameron Hanes?

  That's why Facebook was, that was the whole point of Facebook.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Seriously.

• 13:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And they are really good at it.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  And, and they created this AI so that we can't know what to believe and what not to believe. It's, it is, we live in an insane time, but anyways, we went to Supercross.

• 13:22Cameron Hanes?

  We did?

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's right.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. And you were the grand marshal.

• 13:31Cameron Hanes?

  Thank you.

• 13:33Cameron Hanes?

  I was, yeah. That was actually pretty sick. Um, other than I had no idea how the flaming arrow thing was gonna work. But, uh, we got figured it out. Um, yeah. Epic. Those guys are just studs. I love that event. I love those people. I love, yeah, just the whole environment, all the fans. It's just so fun. It's like, and they, Supercross knows how to put on a show, dude.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's for sure.

• 14:00Cameron Hanes?

  That's, that's the one thing I take away from it.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Um, I think my favorite part of the whole event though, is when we were leaving and we got in the elevator.

• 14:11Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, so I had my bow, right? So I had my bow. Somehow we got a bow onto Lumen Field and shot a flaming arrow and in, you know, I guess with like 50,000 people there, but I guess that's fine. Um, but then we got in the elevator leaving and we had a, a cohabitat, habitant, habitant?

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Cohabitant?

• 14:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, of the elevator with us. And what, what did he say about my, my bow? I think people were kind of caught off guard. I had like a backpack with arrows stuffed in it and in my bow.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. He was like,

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Oh, hell no.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  What you doing that bow and arrow?

• 14:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  And you were like, oh, I could shoot an apple off your head.

• 15:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, that just kind of a fun thing to do.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he goes, he goes, oh, no, I'm gonna hit my car, get my gun and shoot you in the head.

• 15:11Cameron Hanes?

  No, he said, no, no, no. He said he's gonna get his gun out of his, out of his car and shoot the bow off my head?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Shoot the bow off your head.

• 15:21Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, shoot the bow off my head. But yeah, anyway.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  I think he might have called you white boy too, or something crazy.

• 15:30Cameron Hanes?

  We gotta workshop it. I, I don't know for sure exactly what he's proposing. I mean, it sounds fun. But, uh, yeah, that was good.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Um, and then.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  Ah, hell no. Oh, hell no. You're crazy. Crazy ass. Oh, shit.

• 15:48Cameron Hanes?

  Crazy ass cracker? I think that's what it was.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Crazy ass crackin' giant turkey.

• 15:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's what it was.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Second favorite part of the motocross event was, um, we were walking around, well, actually, no, we were at the Kawasaki truck. Everyone's walking around getting signatures and somebody must listen to shit talkers saw me and said, Gideon, what's on your pants? And I had a bunch of mud on my pants from walking the track. And I said, oh, it's just mud. We were on the track and he says, are you sure it wasn't cum?

• 16:22Cameron Hanes?

  That's aggressive. That's a hot take right there.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  And then walked away. Didn't tell me his name. So, those are our fans.

• 16:29Cameron Hanes?

  It's a good question. It's a good que- I mean, it's a fair question.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Well, you never know with me.

• 16:33Cameron Hanes?

  No. Yeah. I mean, if it was on your mustache, then it'd be like.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  A higher likely.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  Saving it for later.

• 16:47Cameron Hanes?

  Now we're back to HR.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  No, no, that wasn't so bad.

• 16:52Cameron Hanes?

  No? Okay.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're fine.

• 16:54Cameron Hanes?

  All right.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  But anyways, shout out to Neil. He is our, what is he?

• 17:02Cameron Hanes?

  Lee is on. Lee is on. Neil, yeah, Neil is, he just makes shit happen. So he's Kawasaki, kind of a Kawasaki rep.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:12Cameron Hanes?

  Um, his, he's got an agency, I think, that works with Kawasaki and then influencers or personalities or whatever like me. So he's kind of the go between and making everything happen. He, uh, he's the one that proposed, like Supercrosses, they're cool to work with, but I think he proposed, well, it was based on my suggestion about the flaming arrow. Cause I'm, I'm always like, yeah, let's go big or go home. So really had no idea how to do it, but they, they bought in on it after he suggested it. And, uh, yeah, so it's just fun. It's just, he's, he's cool. Uh, he's been around Supercross and motocross forever, knows everyone. So it's just great time.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like with him, he, uh, he's very forward thinking with marketing. He's always trying to think outside of the box. And I like that even if maybe some people that are, like to do it the older way, don't believe he puts his money where his mouth is. And honestly, it's working great. So.

• 18:12Cameron Hanes?

  It produced. I mean, we got a lot of viral content.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  That's for sure.

• 18:16Cameron Hanes?

  Out of that event. So it's like, if they're looking, because you know, the, the racers put on the show, they're, they're the show. But if you can add to it in any way that's like, you know, an added value, which are the flaming arrow thing, five million or, or some views.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:35Cameron Hanes?

  Over five million. So we, we definitely added value to that package.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. People were, a lot of people were talking about it.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Well, I guess into racing news, we had to talk about this. We talked about it a little bit with,

• 18:51Cameron Hanes?

  Cameron.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  Andy. Oh, Andy, Andy. I mean, Cameron we had on as well. We had a lift, run, shoot.

• 18:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  That was good. He's a, him and his dad are beasts.

• 19:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they are. Yeah. No, Cameron is a stud. I can't, I'm, I mean, I don't know why I, I guess I haven't trained with an active racer. I mean, I've trained with Deegan and with AC, Adam Sinzarella. And, um, you know, obviously studs, but they're not like racing right now. Cameron, cardio machine. I think they all are. I think like to, to operate at over 190 beats per minute, um, for, you know, from 15 to 20 to 30 minutes. Those guys are just freaks.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  What was his VO2 max 69?

• 19:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, it's, but just running up this hill.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:46Cameron Hanes?

  He was, he crushed it.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 19:48Cameron Hanes?

  He's a stud.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  It was impressive. Yeah.

• 19:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Cameron McAdoo, shout out.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Big shout out. Anyways, so, um,

• 19:58Speaker 01

  yeah, we talked about this with Andy, but Charlie Lawrence, great runner.

• 20:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Does he hold the record in 50 mile?

• 20:04Cameron Hanes?

  I think so.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Distance. Yeah. So he was on a podcast and he said he is sure that he could break the backyard ultra record.

• 20:12Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. This guy.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, uh,

• 20:15Cameron Hanes?

  So our boy, Mark Dowdell.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  The host asked him, what would you need to do it? And he was like 50, 50 grand.

• 20:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  So Mark Dowdell posts a video, says, all right, let's do it. We'll get, we'll get a brand to sponsor it. Winner takes all. You versus me, one versus one.

• 20:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, and I don't blame him, knowing Mark, he's a beast.

• 20:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Charlie was in the comments and was like, ah, I got other things to focus on.

• 20:40Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's weird.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  It's like,

• 20:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. You don't want to go and just crush your soul on a backyard ultra, going against some guy who's just one of the best. Mark is a freak.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 20:53Cameron Hanes?

  He's a, he's a super freak. As far as, I don't know about speed. It's speed is a whole different thing, but as far as just pushing. For hour after hour and day after day. I mean, he, he wins the backyard ultras. He, didn't he win?

• 21:11Speaker 01

  He won Arrowhead.

• 21:12Cameron Hanes?

  One thirty-five.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 21:14Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, so yeah. Not surprised Charlie that you had something else to come. You had to get your hair done. Whatever the it was. Oh, that fifty thousand. Yeah, that's not enough. I meant five hundred thousand.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  When it comes to mental grit, I mean, okay, so Mark Dowdell, I think, got second, the maybe DNF, the first couple backyard ultras he did, but since then he's won every single one. So we don't even know where his limit is.

• 21:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and it's not a DNF. It's just he wasn't the last man standing. They, they all kind of count as a DNF if you're not the last one, but I'm sure he had a great performance still.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:53Cameron Hanes?

  But to be the last man standing, you are outlasting usually some super freaks also. And, uh, yeah, it's, you know, this is shit talkers, Charlie. So it's all love.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  It's all, uh, we didn't, okay, it's all love.

• 22:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, don't, hey, even to, to Trump, to, uh, Bibi.

• 22:17Cameron Hanes?

  It's all love, baby. To Pete Headshot, the Secretary of War. Gay, but all love.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 22:27Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Maybe, yeah, I don't want to get killed.

• 22:31Cameron Hanes?

  Cash Patel.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  All love.

• 22:34Cameron Hanes?

  Worthless at your job, but it's all love. It's all love.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, anyways, so Mark Dowdell, I think we all want to see it happen.

• 22:44Cameron Hanes?

  I would.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:45Cameron Hanes?

  Well, let's see it. If, if you're an elite and you want to shit on these ultra people or the, the backyard last man standing people, you want to shit, let's see it.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:58Cameron Hanes?

  Line up, because it's easy to talk shit without ever doing it.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  And there was even somebody in the comments that was like, oh, you know, make the time window that you have to run, whatever it is, the four miles shorter. And that'll make it more interesting. I'm like, and then he added something else, like he could do it. And I'm like. Dude, it doesn't matter how fast you get 250 miles in.

• 23:19Cameron Hanes?

  Do it. Four miles an hour, 15 minute miles. Just do it. Do as long as you can. If that's too slow for you, you can just bust them out in six minutes and you have over a half hour.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  You can sleep.

• 23:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you got a half hour. Every, every hour you have a half hour to chill out. So that should be super easy. You don't need faster miles. You can just show everybody what a great runner you are and that you could last for weeks. Let me see it.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, no shit.

• 23:44Cameron Hanes?

  But you know what? You know what's gonna happen?

• 23:48Cameron Hanes?

  You're gonna get humbled.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. You're gonna get your shit pushed in.

• 23:53Cameron Hanes?

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• 26:40Cameron Hanes?

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• 26:47Speaker 01

  In other internet news, you also made the, you and Andy made the Max Joliffe unsolicited meme page.

• 26:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we did. And we knew that was gonna happen. And it's a huge honor. It's actually, it goes right up there with the Dundee Award. And also, did I have another award here? Or with our Oscar, or our-

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Nomination for a nomination.

• 27:10Cameron Hanes?

  Oscar nomination. And this, oh.

• 27:15Cameron Hanes?

  So what were we talking about again?

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Um, Max Jolliffe.

• 27:19Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But here's a, here's a funny part. So TMZ picked that up.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Did they?

• 27:25Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 27:26Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:28Cameron Hanes?

  He made the meme. Yeah, he made the meme like that. So TMZ picked it up.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:32Cameron Hanes?

  But actually, I didn't know this. Instagram, they said one of the photos that he used went against community guidelines. Meanwhile, you can, you can threaten to kill a guy and his whole family. And that's fine.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I've also seen three people die on Instagram today. So.

• 27:49Cameron Hanes?

  And that's fine. That's not against community standards. But if you pretend like, or make a joke about, I don't even know what, I guess, teabagging somebody, that's over the line.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  It was the slide that he photoshopped your face.

• 28:03Cameron Hanes?

  With my bulge? Yeah. That was not a Photoshop.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  I died at that slide.

• 28:11Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah. But so how does that get, violate community standards, but murdering people?

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Well, because the meme does nothing to push their agenda.

• 28:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's right. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  If it's not good for them, it's not good for us.

• 28:29Cameron Hanes?

  Gotcha, Zuckerberg. That makes sense.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. Anyways, so, um, along those same lines of Max Jolliffe, check out this.

• 28:39Cameron Hanes?

  The king of my lab.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Check out this, uh, transition.

• 28:42Cameron Hanes?

  Transition.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  The handshake.

• 28:44Cameron Hanes?

  You know what we call it? Segway.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Segway. Segue.

• 28:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, the Segue.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  I.

• 28:50Cameron Hanes?

  Lingerie.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  I learned way too late in life that it's segue, like the ones you ride, is not the same spelling for a segue.

• 28:56Cameron Hanes?

  No. Segue, spelling segue is hard.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm not gonna try.

• 29:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  I think there's a silent H in there.

• 29:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  W. I don't know. Anyways.

• 29:08Cameron Hanes?

  Some symbols.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Truett ran, and Max ran the, uh, Austin Marathon.

• 29:13Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  But their handshake at the end went viral.

• 29:16Cameron Hanes?

  It did.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  I loved that.

• 29:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, the Kings.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. It's, uh, yeah, fashion icons. Uh, Max looked like, I don't know what he looked like.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  He has.

• 29:29Cameron Hanes?

  He had a vibe going.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  He has so much aura.

• 29:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he had a vibe going. So he looked like just a rock star. Then Truett looked like his normal, you know, shirt off. Think on the, I think, um, like in Europe or wherever the they call it tarps off.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Tarps off.

• 29:47Cameron Hanes?

  Do you know that? He had tarps off and, um, jeans on and yeah.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Jacked.

• 29:54Cameron Hanes?

  Jacked. And so, yeah, that picture was pretty sick.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like that.

• 29:57Cameron Hanes?

  It was good. And then also like on the news or on the race coverage, it showed Truitt going up to him.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:03Cameron Hanes?

  You know, kind of greeting each other.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  I think the commentator, um, who did he call Max? He didn't know it was Max Joll. He called him somebody else.

• 30:12Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good.

• 30:13Cameron Hanes?

  Well, Max isn't, you know, he's the ultra guy. So the marathoners probably didn't know who he was.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Right, ultra guy.

• 30:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  But runs a two thirty-four in Austin.

• 30:23Cameron Hanes?

  Thirty-five.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Two thirty-five.

• 30:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And then Truitt two thirty-seven, which for them both to go under two forty, it's not an easy course either. But those, those boys can run.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:34Cameron Hanes?

  And I was just talking to Truitt just a minute ago and, uh, so it's like, you know, we got these big goals for him. But I said, no matter what happens, we hit plateaus, we, we get better, we get faster, we go down, we go. But the, but all I know is that on that race, he ran it last year, same course, same jeans, same everything. And he's six minutes faster this year. So even though he was disappointed because he had bigger goals, but the trend line is still getting better.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:03Cameron Hanes?

  You know, six minutes faster on a shitty performance. So that's a win.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. And at, at that speed too, that's a lot of time.

• 31:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  You know?

• 31:12Cameron Hanes?

  No, it isn't. He, yeah, he's like just telling me that, uh, you know, when, before he ran C I M, he ran a five twenty-seven at home and it was like all he could do to hold five twenty-seven for one mile. And then like through half of C I M, he was at running five thirty-four's. So at home, he's like, how am I supposed to run this fast? I can't even barely hold a five twenty-seven. But in the race, barely slower for half the race. And then now I think he ran 503s. So this was two months ago. He ran 503s for mile repeats. And he could barely do 527 and now he's doing 503s. And so, yes, it's going the right way.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:57Cameron Hanes?

  You know, it's just, it just takes time and he's got time.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Did a, there's a little hiccup with his ankle though.

• 32:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. He's got a little, got an MRI. MRI. I think it's just, uh, probably just all the miles.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Did he twist it or anything?

• 32:11Cameron Hanes?

  No, I think it's just, you know, I asked him, I said, sometimes when you get like dehydrated or you haven't hydrated enough and you're getting in long, because he did 20 mile runs, he did some, you know, fast 10 mile on the treadmill. If you get kind of dried out, especially down there, some of those tendons and ligaments, they're not really sliding and moving like they're supposed to. And so they can get irritated and inflamed. So I think it's just like an overuse or maybe, maybe even just like got dehydrated and it just caused some inflammation.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:42Cameron Hanes?

  And then it just, then it swells because it's just not sliding and working like it's supposed to. So I hope it's that.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Not, and there's not great blood flow down there either. So.

• 32:50Cameron Hanes?

  No. And it's like what I told him, I'm like, yeah, I mean, a hundred mile weeks, working hard. There's going to be some shit that comes up. Your body's, it's just how it works. It's like, but we have, you know, almost two years. You can afford, you know, little things that come up because it's going to happen. You just got to work through it. So.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:11Cameron Hanes?

  So he's good. He's, he's in good shape though.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  If that was me, I would be, I think I'm going to be, I think I'm going to take BPC 157. I've decided.

• 33:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  For my back.

• 33:21Cameron Hanes?

  Your back?

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. That thing that's been bugging me. I'm like, all the stretching I'm doing and everything and I'm not really seeing any benefits to it. I'm like, maybe I'll just jab myself.

• 33:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, yeah, that stuff, I have been taking the, uh,

• 33:39Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, one, five, seven, the Wolverine stack, one, five, seven, and the TB 500. Yeah. So Wolverine stack and I feel, I feel fricking good.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:50Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Well, we'll see. Okay. Another thing, this is a guest we've had on the podcast, Casey Anderson, grizzly guy.

• 33:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  He posted this video, they did like, uh, 60 miles on foot in a Serengeti and they did this video of day one where they were with their, uh, their guide. And I assume you've probably had similar experiences with this, but they make camp and they all had to take shifts stoking the fire to keep it lit through the night. And, uh, the first shift is at 12:00 PM. Their guide gets up and he says, this is the time I go first because I'm going to ask my ancestors what tomorrow holds for us. So they wake up in the morning and they ask him, I think his name was Kane, you know, what did your ancestors say? And he said, you know, first there will be, uh, hyenas will come and that hyena

• 34:38Speaker 01

  will get run off by a pack of wild dogs. And then a larger pack of wild dogs will run off that pack of wild dogs and it happened.

• 34:46Cameron Hanes?

  Did it?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Like exactly as he said.

• 34:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  And I'm watching this video and like get chills. I'm like, that is insane. I can't imagine experiencing that in real time.

• 34:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, those people are so tied in to nature. It's just a whole nother, and you know, with all the shit that we've been kind of bitching about with the Epstein and the Israel and the war. God, it makes that type of life seem very appealing.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:12Cameron Hanes?

  You know, just being so immersed in nature. You don't have to worry about any of this other bullshit about this propaganda about what's real, what's not. And it's like, they're so dialed in with the animals, the country, um, how it all ties together, how we fit in as humans or how they fit in because they live there every day and are out in it every day. It's just, it's so special and such a, a unique and amazing, you know, we talk about those stories and talk about, you know, a vision from the ancestors or, um, it's, you know, when I was over there.

• 35:52Cameron Hanes?

  We found this poacher's camp and you know, these poachers were actually saw them and worried about them shooting us. But I went up and found their camp and found all their stuff and there, there was like white powder in there that was used to this, the witch doctor gave to them to make them invisible. So they could have more hunting success. And so I think that they put the white powder on their wrists and like, kind of like, kind of behind their ears. And they believe that it helps with their hunting success because they're invisible. And I just like that, you know, who knows if that actually works, but what a different world, different existence. And yeah, it's just fascinating to me.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:36Cameron Hanes?

  Way more fascinating than this bullshit.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  That's definitely a simpler way to live.

• 36:41Cameron Hanes?

  Thinking about, you know, child trafficking and raping kids and women. It's just like, God, I just, it makes you just wanna, how do we get, how do we get here?

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Protecting the people that are guilty.

• 36:55Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I, I mean, I don't even, I don't even know what to say.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, wild. We got to catch up on the Olympics.

• 37:05Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, we have.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  The Winter Olympics.

• 37:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What'd you have on there?

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, the, the female skater.

• 37:15Cameron Hanes?

  I asked her to come on the podcast.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 37:17Cameron Hanes?

  Alyssa Liu.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, she's, dude, that performance and how relaxed she was, kind of a way like so much different than her first couple Olympics, or maybe, maybe that one in 22, I think she was 16 and that's when she retired because she just so much pressure, pressure plus, plus China was putting pressure on her family because she was competing for the US, but they're from China, but the dad was.

• 37:50Cameron Hanes?

  God, he was, God, I think he was in Tiananmen Square protesting and so he got exiled from China. So she didn't want to compete for them. Anyway, the Chinese government was trying to surveil them and find dirt on them to use against her to force her to compete for China. So this girl at 16 had to go through that. So no wonder she had a tough Beijing, I think it was. And then comes here, retired, decided she wanted to come back, comes back just as free as a bird out there, no pressure, smiling and crushed it.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. While everyone told her that there's no way you can take time off and still be at that level.

• 38:32Cameron Hanes?

  Put on a show. Definitely the star of the Olympics.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure. By far.

• 38:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And it's just so inspiring in her, just her performance. And also I was like, I think it's like a five minute, like the long program, whatever's five. How do they remember how to, when they're supposed to do all that shit? It's just like, God, that routine.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  I know.

• 38:54Cameron Hanes?

  Five minutes of skating around and doing, it's, that's, that's amazing. But then she nailed everything.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I also like that she is super approachable as a normal person. This like figure skating, it's really hard to get into or understand the characters because everyone's so kind of prim and proper and she's not.

• 39:13Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Like after she wins, she's like, yeah, that's awesome.

• 39:16Cameron Hanes?

  I loved it.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:18Cameron Hanes?

  I loved it. Or she was, I think she was like, God, I think she was like so excited. She's skating over there going, what the, or something like that, or.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 39:29Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know what, but I just loved the emotion. I loved her, how genuinely happy she was. And then just to have just the stellar performance that, I mean, we've watched since then. I watched it live, or I don't know if it was live, but I've watched it since then a couple of times and it's just so. To see people excel at the highest level, I just, I just don't, I don't even care what it is. I mean, I've never even had ice skates on. Does it matter? I don't give a, it's like when Lance rode the bike. It's like I, I don't give about the tour, but I love to see excellence. And so to see somebody at the highest level, put on a performance like that, it's just, because I know what it takes.

• 40:12Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know what it takes for that, but to, to do a, just a performance that leaves people speechless and talking about it, you know, a month later, however long it's been, that's, you know, it's just an iconic.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:28Cameron Hanes?

  She's, she's an icon and that performance was iconic.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  And she's super young.

• 40:33Cameron Hanes?

  Twenty?

• 40:34Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 40:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know how, I mean, it's a lot of pressure and she performed. But yeah, I mean, that, um, on a, um, on a

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Gibson?

• 40:46Cameron Hanes?

  Gibson, yeah, who I'd run with. Yeah, she, they got, came in fourth in the skimo. So just one out of, out of metal contention, but I think they consider it just a win.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:57Cameron Hanes?

  Because she seemed like she's having so much fun the whole time and she's such a cool person. So I'd love to see that. I don't know Cam, her partner, but uh, yeah, I'd like to meet him and, or I mean, like to meet him and, and have her on the podcast. Running with her is tough. She's, she's a, she's tough to, to, I don't know, keep up with. I know that.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Definitely. Aren't you thinking about doing a?

• 41:27Cameron Hanes?

  They're trying to talk me into it. Yeah, I would, I would like to try it with her. That'd be fun. They talked about, uh, some event in Colorado this summer, but

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, the other big Olympic news is we, uh, clean swept Canada in hockey.

• 41:42Cameron Hanes?

  We did. Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Which is crazy.

• 41:44Cameron Hanes?

  That was pretty sick. That Jack Hughes, oh, that's another one. So I think between those two, Jack Hughes is also. Uh, God, what a frickin' legend.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  I liked his after game speech. You know, he's like, I you dream of these moments when you're seven years old and here I am at 24, still dreaming about it.

• 42:02Cameron Hanes?

  I loved how they were saying that like the night before the game, him and his brother were roommates and they're saying like, what are you, what are you thinking about? It was like middle of the night, you're supposed to be sleeping. He's like, oh, I'm just thinking about that OT game winner I'm gonna have tomorrow. And he did.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 42:21Cameron Hanes?

  So sick. And just the broken tooth, because he took that stick to the face.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:27Cameron Hanes?

  And just classic hockey, just this image that says hockey and to win the gold medal and doing that. And then also with his brother and his mom was the coach on the women's team.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 42:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  I didn't know that.

• 42:42Cameron Hanes?

  His, their mom.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 42:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 42:45Cameron Hanes?

  She got a gold.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Well, dad needs to level up a little bit.

• 42:48Cameron Hanes?

  What a family, though.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 42:50Cameron Hanes?

  Holy shit.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  I did see there was a picture of him like biting the gold medal with his teeth and it was AI.

• 42:56Cameron Hanes?

  I saw that, that and they're getting on that.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, they ripped that guy to shreds. And for, for good reason.

• 43:03Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Fuck you.

• 43:04Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, you didn't take it. You didn't take it, dude. So I don't know if he ever, I forgot what his name was now.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, he, I think he does that with a bunch of stuff.

• 43:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I saw somebody else who's like, got a bunch of views and followers. And then people realized that he was taking photos of his TV.

• 43:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Which is insane.

• 43:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And then, then he's also like doubling down on it. Like, you know, he'll, he'll say, people say, this is the photo of the Olympics and he'll say, thanks. It's like, no, you didn't take it. It's not even a photo. It was AI.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  I hate that shit.

• 43:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So that, that was kind of a bummer. But, uh, yeah, I saw Courtney, I think, called that out. Courtney White.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:47Cameron Hanes?

  Didn't she?

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:47Cameron Hanes?

  That's what I saw.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  White, a couple of other photographers I follow too. But, um, what did you think about the whole controversy with the men's hockey team and the women's hockey team?

• 43:57Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. With the call from Trump. Um, I don't know why he says the shit that he says. It's just. It goes back to when he said, yo, grab them by the pussy. It's like old locker room talk. And that was definitely a locker room. So guys say stupid shit all the time.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  You're on the phone, you gotta assume somebody's filming it.

• 44:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, as a president, I, I would hope I'd be better.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:28Cameron Hanes?

  But knowing that the situation and I'm the president of the United States, I'm calling, and it's all going to be filmed. Everything he does is filmed. It's like, why are you, why are you throwing shade at the women? Do you need help? Like, looking bad? I don't think you need to help yourself look bad. You're doing a great job. You're already. It's just like, how about just be normal?

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:51Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, we're so proud of you guys.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:53Cameron Hanes?

  How hard is that?

• 44:54Speaker 01

  I felt bad for the women's team and I'm sure they don't need me to feel bad. But the point is, is just like, even for the men's team too, is like, can we just, this is an awesome moment.

• 45:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, now, now it's up.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, now we gotta focus on this bullshit.

• 45:08Cameron Hanes?

  It's tainted. And yeah, why is Cash Patel in there?

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Get that nerd out of there.

• 45:15Cameron Hanes?

  Do you have anything to do?

• 45:16Speaker 01

  That little dork?

• 45:17Cameron Hanes?

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• 45:58Cameron Hanes?

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• 47:05Cameron Hanes?

  You're running the FBI. Can you go find Savannah Guthrie's mom? Can you do something?

• 47:10Speaker 01

  He's too busy being a simp over his honeypot wife.

• 47:13Cameron Hanes?

  And here's the thing with this administration. There's so many ups in these important positions, but they have him there as just this figurehead so they can do whatever they want. He's not doing shit.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:28Cameron Hanes?

  They don't probably don't listen to him. His phone probably doesn't even work.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Just give him a fake phone.

• 47:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and it's just like, go and get attention off us so we can take care of this shit here. So we can lie to the American people and screw over the people who entrust us to do the right thing and enforce laws. Well, we don't want to do that, so get their attention over there. Distract them by your retarded antics, and we got this.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:56Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, God, I just can't, you know, Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, Cash Patel. I think the whole administration completely worthless.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  I think so too. And I'm gonna think that until proven otherwise. And I don't even know if I could be proven otherwise because I don't believe anything that...

• 48:21Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  It's too late. You dug the hole too deep.

• 48:24Cameron Hanes?

  And here's the... We're one year into this.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  That's what's... So that is another note I had because people are like, oh, you guys are clowns. You voted for him. Again, this is shit we already talked about.

• 48:37Cameron Hanes?

  God. Yeah, I voted for him three times. Okay? The first time...

• 48:44Cameron Hanes?

  I thought it, there was some good changes. A member was like, are you tired of winning yet? It felt like we were winning. He was, I was like, finally got this, not a politician in there, not beholden to Washington, not beholden to all these special interests and lobbyists and investors and all this bullshit that control, basically control American politics. Here's this guy who doesn't need the money and I thought he was kicking ass. And then COVID happened and then he's the warp speed vaccine guy, which all that was, was hey, let's kill a bunch of weak people. Okay? That's what this, that's what COVID will do. Let's make a shitload of money off from the pharmaceuticals.

• 49:27Cameron Hanes?

  We'll make people take this and if they don't take it, they're ostracized. Yep. And so this is a money grab. He's pushing this warp speed bullshit, which all that did was make people sicker, didn't do anything, made people

• 49:45Cameron Hanes?

  a shitload of money. Divided us even further. Divided us further, played this propaganda bullshit game. Fauci can do whatever. Nobody's even mentioning him. He was the mastermind behind this bullshit. With our country and the economy and the wealth distribution is like, almost, I mean, I don't know if we'll recover. Okay? And so after that, I was just like, what the, he's, why is he pushing this shit? So then it was Biden and then you're like, oh my God, could it get worse than Biden? You know, every kid is a transgender. Every kid's being mutilated.

• 50:27Cameron Hanes?

  Kids can go and get sex change surgery without even telling their parents and the parents can't do anything about it. It's like, no, that, what? No, I'm not down with that. No.

• 50:41Cameron Hanes?

  All the Democrats, okay, let's get Trump back in there. Trump comes back, he's I think probably worse than Biden.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  I think he is.

• 50:49Cameron Hanes?

  Now, he's more compromised than any since JFK, which is why they killed him. I don't think we've had anybody that's actually making decisions in the best interest of America.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  I don't think so either. I, I think a lot of people at the top in politics are compromised. And whether it's by some small margin of just money or, you know, they're being threatened or something like that, or they've got dirt on them. It's like, how can you trust anybody?

• 51:19Cameron Hanes?

  I don't trust anybody. Then I see Mark Rubio up there talking, sound like a complete dumb. It's like Lindsey Graham.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  They all sound like dumb.

• 51:29Cameron Hanes?

  He's like, oh, Cuba's next. It's like, um, yeah. Send all the middle-class families, their kids go to war because that's who serves. Those ups don't, their kids don't serve. So it's our kids that go serve and have to pay the price. And, you know, when the Twin Towers were bombed, we didn't know what the happened. Everybody's like, you couldn't, I, I think it was a hundred percent of America said, yeah, let's go get the, let's go get them. Let's make them pay for this. They killed 3,000 Americans. Who knows who did it? We probably did it. But whatever the case, we didn't know

• 52:06Cameron Hanes?

  that at that time. So everybody was in, was down for that. Since then, now all this, the, this cover up, all this bullshit's been peeled back. Now we're really dialed in on like how this works and how corrupt it is. And now you expect people to want to go. And at that time, people joined because they wanted to fight for America. They were like, no, I want to, I want, I want to serve my country. I want to, you know, um, basically make the bad guys pay. And it was just like the most patriotic thing in the world. And I loved it and everybody loved it. And there's flags everywhere. And it was like the, the greatest

• 52:50Cameron Hanes?

  time to be an American. And since then, now we've learned all this shit. And it's just like.

• 52:59Cameron Hanes?

  It feels, it's all a lie.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:01Cameron Hanes?

  It feels like it's all a lie.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  I had this conversation the other day because, you know, it, it would be hard to sign up for the military, knowing all this shit is going on. But at the same time, the military does give a lot of those young men a purpose.

• 53:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yes, I, I, I mean, for that, I love it. It's just like, I just hate that it's tainted now.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:24Cameron Hanes?

  That's, that's all I hate because when Tanner joined, I was so proud and he wanted to be a Ranger and he was a Ranger and he, you know, he deployed and it was like, it was, I was so proud of my son serving, we have the greatest volunteer army in the world. And now, now it's hard not to question

• 53:47Cameron Hanes?

  what it all means.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:49Cameron Hanes?

  And I hate that because for young men, we need strong young men in this country. We need strong young men to volunteer for the greatest army in the world. But they're it up. They're up the dream of like, I want to fight for my country.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you don't, you have nothing to, that's backing you.

• 54:08Cameron Hanes?

  Because is it real? Or, or are they just, are they just pawns? You know, are, are these kids, these young men and women, but it's mostly men on the front lines. Are they just pawns for this corporate greed, war, fighting for, for other countries? And

• 54:33Cameron Hanes?

  it's just, it's sad.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 54:36Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I'm sad about it because,

• 54:41Cameron Hanes?

  you know,

• 54:43Cameron Hanes?

  I have a lot of pride in being from America and being an American and having a son that served and being proud of that and just the fact that that's up is just like, because of these evil.

• 54:57Cameron Hanes?

  Crooks that run this shit, they did it. They it up. They can't, they couldn't be, they couldn't serve the American people and that was, that was good enough.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I know this isn't probably real, but I saw um, some things of like, what certain, I guess, platoons or whatever were being told like their purpose was in this war.

• 55:23Cameron Hanes?

  Armageddon?

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:25Cameron Hanes?

  Come on. I mean,

• 55:28Speaker 01

  If that's real.

• 55:29Cameron Hanes?

  That, I think that was real. And how up is that? Like, like Trump can get up there, like he's gonna summon,

• 55:39Cameron Hanes?

  Jesus is coming back because basically we're summoning, we're gonna make it so, so uh, this bloodbath. And like, we're gonna create an Armageddon. So Jesus comes back now. It's like, wait, you think you can do this? How up are you? I mean, I just,

• 56:00Speaker 01

  I don't even, I have no idea what the uh, what the purpose of that is. Like, what's their angle with that? I, I have no idea, but it's,

• 56:07Cameron Hanes?

  They're desperate.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 56:09Cameron Hanes?

  They're desperate because everybody knows this is a,

• 56:14Cameron Hanes?

  it's a charade.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, this, like you said, this is it. I mean, people, people know.

• 56:20Cameron Hanes?

  It's out.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and that's probably a part of their plan too. I don't know. I'm a idiot. So, I just assume everything I think was part of their plan because I'm not smart enough to out, smart the,

• 56:33Cameron Hanes?

  I, I, I don't even know what to think anymore.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  This, don't think, turn it off. But uh,

• 56:40Cameron Hanes?

  Then I feel guilty because we're out running, drinking coffee, doing podcasts. Meanwhile, countries are getting bombed.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  I know. That's how I feel. Like, wow, I'm a, I'm a selfish, how, how nice is it? That I have the, the ability to think about all these things and realize how it up, up it is because I have the time to not worry about my life being in danger.

• 57:03Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I couldn't imagine. I mean, and

• 57:08Cameron Hanes?

  You know, if you look at history, like I said, I haven't even paid, I didn't really understand history, I don't think, because what they teach us as US history, I don't even know, that's propaganda too.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, how is it that we're taught different history than other places are taught?

• 57:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  I mean, that's insane.

• 57:26Cameron Hanes?

  So, I mean, I don't, you can go down these rabbit holes forever, but, you know, you talk about, like, all these times we've tried to force regime changes, which I think, I can't remember the first one was, but anyway, failed, I think it's back in the 50s, I can't remember where, but then it was, you know, Afghanistan, Iraq, we were there eight years and won 20 in Afghanistan, and now we're here trying to force again in Iran, and also, the reason why they hate us is because they had the Shah, I think, or, no, they had, I

• 58:10Cameron Hanes?

  don't know who it was, we installed the Shah back in, I think, the 70s?

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:15Cameron Hanes?

  And then also created their, their government or their regime, we created it, the US did, and put it in place, and then the Shah was basically made, for decades, made life miserable for the Iranian people, that was because of us.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:34Cameron Hanes?

  So, no, no wonder they hate us, and then they say, oh, they've, you know, killed Americans, when? When have they killed Ameri-, they've never killed, I mean, you could argue, I guess, the guy in Texas just the other day, I don't know what, who the, he's affiliated with, but-

• 58:53Speaker 01

  It's real convenient, though.

• 58:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, exactly, so, I don't trust any of it, but we're the ones that go into these other countries and fuck them up.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:04Cameron Hanes?

  And I always thought it was for the right reasons, now?

• 59:10Speaker 01

  I mean, that's the whole point of the CIA, is that we interject into countries all over the world, put in leaders that we want, so that we can control them, they do what we want, and they do what they want, which is power, you know, money.

• 59:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, and, and like, I'm acting like I know anything. I don't know shit.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:30Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  I mean, that whole Texas thing though, I was like, oh yeah, that, that makes sense. They found a Quran in his car. That's really convenient.

• 59:36Cameron Hanes?

  And he had the hoodie on that said, I don't even know what it said, something about.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  I've never seen a more obvious false flag in my life. And, yeah, I mean, uh, not, I'm not, you know, there are real victims from that.

• 59:49Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's terrible. It's a tragedy. He shot up.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. What I'm saying is it's sick that, in my opinion, that is a plant who killed real people with real families. And what? So that everyone could see he had a Quran and we could all band together and say, yes, this war for, you know, to, to.

• 1:00:08Cameron Hanes?

  They tried, but that's what they were trying, but it might be a little bit too late for that. That worked before?

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Not now.

• 1:00:17Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know if that's gonna work anymore. We're, we're a little bit too dialed in nowadays.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  We have access to too much information.

• 1:00:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  I mean, who knows? The earth is flat and.

• 1:00:28Cameron Hanes?

  I'm not, it probably is.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  I think it might be.

• 1:00:31Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I'm, I'm with Eddie Bravo on this. I mean, I don't.

• 1:00:40Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I, I asked, I sent that text to, or I mean, that death threat to Joe and I said, hey, you ever get, you get stuff like this very often? He's like, I haven't even been on social media in three weeks. He goes, but just out of habit, he said he looked at something about, I think the Jasmine Crockett lost her seed or whatever. And like the second comment was, you Joe Rogan. And so he's just like, okay. Why am I even?

• 1:01:08Cameron Hanes?

  He goes, why am I, I think he said like, yeah, I mean, what, what's the point?

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Why am I being drug into this?

• 1:01:15Cameron Hanes?

  Why do you wanna, well, why would you voluntarily wade in to read that shit about you if you don't have to? So if I wasn't even on, I wouldn't seen that stupid comment about killing me and my family.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Cameron Hanes?

  I wouldn't know. I'd be like, okay, cool.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  And I, and obviously, I mean, the person's not gonna do anything about it.

• 1:01:35Cameron Hanes?

  Normally if they're going to, they don't leave it as a comment.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Cameron Hanes?

  That's, that's all I told Trace. I'm like.

• 1:01:43Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe, I mean, you never know. There's some crazy people, so who knows? But uh, normally if that was your goal, you wouldn't like, comment it on a post.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  We should just change these from shit talkers to the rabbit hole. Because every topic we talk about.

• 1:02:03Cameron Hanes?

  I know. We sound nuts. And we are probably nuts.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  We get sucked down into the hole and then it all comes back.

• 1:02:11Cameron Hanes?

  But also, here's, here's what I'll say. It's all love, baby. This is just, we're just talking shit. This isn't real.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Okay, well.

• 1:02:19Cameron Hanes?

  I love Trump. I love Israel. I love Netanyahu. I love Mark Rubio. I love Cash Patel. He's doing a great job.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Cameron Hanes?

  Um, Pam Bondi's, what an incredible Attorney General. She's doing amazing.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  And just an example for all younger women.

• 1:02:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and just how she works so hard to protect the vulnerable, you know, and she cares. You know, she doesn't, she's not trying to protect pedophiles.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  No, this is, yeah, this is a satire skit. Uh, not that part, but everything before.

• 1:02:52Cameron Hanes?

  Before that.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  We're being real now.

• 1:02:54Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, so you guys, do you fall for it?

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  You got us.

• 1:02:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we got you, didn't we? That was all a joke. Everybody's doing great. Uh, Trump, Trump in 2028.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Okay, well.

• 1:03:08Cameron Hanes?

  Or wait, when is it next? Is it 2028?

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Oh, there won't be one.

• 1:03:12Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know, but that's what I say.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  America won't exist.

• 1:03:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Uh, I mean, if, if FDR had, didn't he have three terms? I think he served, he was president for 12 years. So yeah, I think Trump could go past that.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, nice. Well, to set a record, you know, we talk about, we always like to see excellence. So.

• 1:03:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  If you're gonna do that, be the best. Um, well, on the topic of all love, I have to say this is all love because I'm bringing a new character into shit talkers. And I don't want the similar thing that happened with Coda runs to happen with this.

• 1:03:43Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  People call me an asshole. So there's a guy, McKay Nelson on Instagram, pretty small account. But he started posting 90 days ago, about 90 days ago, and his whole shtick was. Sub three marathon in 90 days with no running background, zero.

• 1:04:01Cameron Hanes?

  Sub three hour?

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he started training and immediately, of course, there's a bunch of

• 1:04:06Cameron Hanes?

  In three months?

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. A bunch of haters in his comments saying, you can't, this is ridiculous. You can't do that. You're going to get injured. He ended up getting injured. I think he pulled his hamstring or something. Anyways, his marathon was this past weekend.

• 1:04:19Cameron Hanes?

  So he got sub three at that, right?

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Close. Yeah, he was really close, actually. Four seventeen.

• 1:04:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, sometimes that happens.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  He, uh, I did respect it. The day before he asked the followers, like, should I just try and do my best time? Or should I go out on pace to do sub three? And everyone was like, you go out at sub three or die.

• 1:04:41Cameron Hanes?

  You talked, yeah, you said this was the goal. So how long, so sub three is a, it's a six fifty one pace, I think. Is that what it is?

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  I think he went out at six, he tried to go out at six forty sevens or six twenty sevens, somewhere right in there.

• 1:04:57Cameron Hanes?

  Well, six, six thirty is two fifty. So I think, so six fifty one, I think is right around there.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  I think he went out in six forty seven.

• 1:05:06Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  And he blew up quick and bad.

• 1:05:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  Uh, and he, you know, it was a really hot day. So he was like, oh, maybe it was the heat and people were like, it was not the heat.

• 1:05:16Cameron Hanes?

  Nah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  But he just posted another video and he was like, all right, next marathon's in 90 days, part two.

• 1:05:22Cameron Hanes?

  Might have a better chance.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, still, sub three is running.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. And here's, I mean, he's out there, he's running miles and I think he's got a good head on his shoulders where he's like, I don't care. I mean, the time's going to get better. He knows it's ridiculous goal, but yeah, I mean, it's a lot, just to.

• 1:05:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, to, to run under seven minute miles for twenty six.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  In three months?

• 1:05:45Cameron Hanes?

  Just in general.

• 1:05:48Cameron Hanes?

  I don't care how long you have. Under seven minute miles for a marathon is not easy.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:05:54Cameron Hanes?

  There's not, not a ton of people do that.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  No. So anyways, that was funny.

• 1:05:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  I'm sure it'll gain more traction as this next one goes on, but.

• 1:06:03Cameron Hanes?

  All right. New merch.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:06Cameron Hanes?

  Get it. Win an elk hunt.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  Rihanna ad break.

• 1:06:10Cameron Hanes?

  Uh oh, what?

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  That's what these are called.

• 1:06:12Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  What, what is, you see, you got a new shirt on.

• 1:06:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  What did, what did?

• 1:06:18Cameron Hanes?

  I shoot the shirt off your head, you cracker.

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  You crazy.

• 1:06:23Cameron Hanes?

  Crazy ass cracker. I shoot the shirt off your head with my, with, with your bow and my gun. I shoot your bow out of my gun.

• 1:06:35Cameron Hanes?

  I think that's what it was. So you can win an elk hunt in Utah. The greatest elk hunting place I've ever been as far as number of bulls. I'm giving away, I think, three of those hunts this year. I don't know, or at least two. I don't know. I had to buy like six. So I don't know how it's gonna work, but I'm gonna give some away. You can get, this is shirt kind of celebrates that and uh, gives you entries into win the hunt.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you uh, go buy it.

• 1:07:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Go get them.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Go get them.

• 1:07:08Cameron Hanes?

  Go get you some.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  All right. Another friend of the podcast. I want to talk about this because uh, I was bummed to see that it didn't work out for him, but Ian Larios.

• 1:07:19Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. Yeah. What happened?

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Such a nice guy. It, it looks like he just had something up in his leg or something.

• 1:07:27Cameron Hanes?

  Got injured?

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I saw he was at like a hundred and fifty K and he was getting a massage and the person was kind of poking it. And he was wincing and I was like, uh oh, you know, that's not good. So, and then I, I think he pulled out not long after that, but he was trying to run four hundred and sixty kilometers around Bali in five days. And for a good cause, uh, to raise money to build homes for the families over there that don't have them.

• 1:07:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. He's such a good guy. He's, he's, he's Jelly Roll's chef.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  And he is just a super solid guy.

• 1:07:57Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, the nicest. Yeah, that sucks.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  I'm sure he'll go back for, for a second try, but um, I mean, he was running the miles. He put in the, he put in the work. It's just, you know, one of those things. You don't really know, I think, until. You're trying to do a hundred K after a hundred K.

• 1:08:13Cameron Hanes?

  No, I know. You don't know how your body's gonna respond. That's tough.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Another friend of the show, Hillary Clinton is being deposed.

• 1:08:30Cameron Hanes?

  So she's looking good. Yeah. She's nailing her testimony.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  What did we last?

• 1:08:43Cameron Hanes?

  Friend of the show. That reminded me, yeah.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  That was good comedic timing.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard she said that she never met Epstein, but there's pictures of her meeting Epstein.

• 1:08:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And Bill, Bill that showed him like these inappropriate pictures and he's just like, then they pulled away. He's like, no, no, no, I want to look at those again. He's like, dude, can you relax? You're on camera.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Camera?

• 1:09:10Cameron Hanes?

  See that camera? You look like this horn dog.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  He's like smiling and the person's like, yanking it away from him.

• 1:09:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. She's like, how was this girl underage? And he's just like,

• 1:09:24Cameron Hanes?

  Woo, I'm hungry. I mean, it's like chill out.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  That reminds me like when my dog grabs my panties and I have to get them back from him. You know, he's kind of biting at you.

• 1:09:35Cameron Hanes?

  Just chewing the crotch out of him? Chewing your panty liner out?

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  There's not much left of the crotch after.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  I'm done with them.

• 1:09:47Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Oh, man.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Which brings me to my next topic. Crazy liaison segue here.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  What kind of underwear do you use for, do you wear for ultra marathons?

• 1:10:03Cameron Hanes?

  Is this a real question?

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  I got asked this, somebody DM'd me and asked me and I was like, I don't know.

• 1:10:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, well.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  One time I tried to run commando and.

• 1:10:13Cameron Hanes?

  That's usually not good. I usually just duct tape my junk to my leg.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Did you get that one from?

• 1:10:20Cameron Hanes?

  Flop around.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Patty? Gonja?

• 1:10:25Cameron Hanes?

  Another friend of the show. Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. I usually wear, I think in one of them I wore skims. They're actually tight.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Cameron Hanes?

  And hold shit together.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  That's what you need.

• 1:10:37Cameron Hanes?

  So, but like my old Under Armour ones, those, just like, kinda like, uh, what are those called? Those half tight, or?

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Oh, your compression shorts?

• 1:10:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, kinda compression shorts. So that's what I wear. Then you just kinda vaseline everything up. All your junk, your ass crack, everything. Because you can't, like, I've even had it where, I think I mentioned this on one old podcast with Barquo, but even like, in the Under Armour underwear, there's seams. And if those get sweaty and the salt goes in there, those seams can rub your sh** skin raw. So, yeah, vaseline or, uh, squirrel's nut butter, or, who was that that led me in Leadville?

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Salty Bridges. Salty Bridges, yeah.

• 1:11:20Cameron Hanes?

  So, all, all that shit, you gotta lube all your stuff up.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Cameron Hanes?

  So, I don't know.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  There you go. So I hope that helps. Um, wow, we're gonna get back into the Epstein stuff here because I have to talk about my childhood photo in a dress.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  You all are too gullible and you shouldn't be allowed on the internet if you think that was real. Is real.

• 1:11:43Cameron Hanes?

  It wasn't real.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  But somebody saw that and commented, they would have had me on Epstein Island, given the chance.

• 1:11:52Cameron Hanes?

  Friend of the show, Jeffrey Epstein.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  G-vacation.

• 1:11:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so fun there on Epstein Island for kids, isn't it?

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  I don't even wanna.

• 1:12:04Cameron Hanes?

  No, I don't, I can't even, I, I don't wanna joke about it because if I look at anything or read anything that those animals said and how they treated those kids, I wanna kill somebody.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. I have to talk about this. Okay. You are sponsored by Roka.

• 1:12:21Cameron Hanes?

  I am.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:23Cameron Hanes?

  Apparently you are too now.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  Well, I, so I have worn Roka for like four years. Just so everyone knows, I bought eyeglasses with my own money.

• 1:12:31Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Then they broke. They happily, they, they sent me another pair. I was stoked for it. Then I saw that they have sunglasses, like the ones you wear when you're cool and you run and you do things outside. And I was like, I saw that they had to have a

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  prescription and your prescription has to fit it. So I texted the girl and I said, hey, does my prescription fit?

• 1:12:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Just because I was gonna buy them. And she was like, oh, I'll just send them to you.

• 1:12:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  So shout out Roka. Look at these.

• 1:13:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  If you wear glasses.

• 1:13:02Cameron Hanes?

  They look sick.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  And you have prescription and you think you have to wear contacts to get sunglasses like these? You don't.

• 1:13:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  This is the best, these are the best things ever and they don't fog up.

• 1:13:11Cameron Hanes?

  And because normally James would be filming, running behind me like it's always raining here or half the time it is. And like his glasses are just solid, it's like the inside of a shower. Can't see at all. They're sliding down his face. And then I see him with these.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Cameron Hanes?

  Fucking fly eyes glasses the other day, looking like a G.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:13:33Cameron Hanes?

  And shout out to friend of the show, Roka.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Shout out you for being a sponsor.

• 1:13:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  So anyways.

• 1:13:43Cameron Hanes?

  No, they make good stuff. I'm pumped.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I didn't, I wasn't expecting that, but uh, I have worn them every time I've gone on a run and they're nice.

• 1:13:51Cameron Hanes?

  That reminds me, I need to get charged up my watch.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  Are you gonna start wearing one again?

• 1:13:56Cameron Hanes?

  Well, if I do that.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  So that BB can track you?

• 1:13:59Cameron Hanes?

  Half marathon. I need to know what my splits are.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

• 1:14:03Cameron Hanes?

  Do we know where my watch and charger is?

• 1:14:09Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I don't.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  It's probably why Tanner left his other one here.

• 1:14:12Cameron Hanes?

  Probably. He probably stole it.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:15Cameron Hanes?

  Got stolen.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  Stolen. Um, okay. So last topic though, is uh, we had Andy Glaze on the podcast.

• 1:14:24Cameron Hanes?

  Stud.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  I.

• 1:14:25Cameron Hanes?

  Love Andy.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, such a nice guy.

• 1:14:27Cameron Hanes?

  Well, also, not only do I love him, everyone loves him.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 1:14:31Cameron Hanes?

  You see his feedback?

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Cameron Hanes?

  He's a star, dude.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like, he is not, you know, an elite ultra runner. He just loves running and is a cool person and is out there doing a lot of big races and 100 mile weeks for six years. He's a stud.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:52Cameron Hanes?

  And nicest guy ever, was down to do anything. Um, and we did it all.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:58Cameron Hanes?

  It was cool.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Just a.

• 1:15:00Cameron Hanes?

  Had a great time.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  Solid guy to hang out with, too.

• 1:15:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's the best.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:03Cameron Hanes?

  He's the best. I don't, I don't know how anybody could have anything negative to say about that guy.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  I saw a comment where somebody was like, he's not a good guy. He supports other ultra runners who smoke cigarettes.

• 1:15:17Cameron Hanes?

  Wait.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  What? And by support, he meant that he just backed him up as a person.

• 1:15:23Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:15:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, people are retarded.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, anyways.

• 1:15:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, anyway, he's, he's a stud. Loved him, loved having him here. Um, yeah, can't wait for more, get more cool guests.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:36Cameron Hanes?

  It's been fun.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  I think that's, uh, that's about it for this episode of the rabbit hole, minus the T.

• 1:15:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Cameron Hanes?

  All right, well, it's all love, baby.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Cameron Hanes?

  Don't get upset.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  This is a satirical podcast that's all scripted.

• 1:15:55Cameron Hanes?

  This is, our editorial license allows us to go off script, doesn't it?

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  It does, yeah.

• 1:16:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Our, uh, our broadcast contract.

• 1:16:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so we're good. I mean, you can't get offended by anything because also it's satire.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  I do have one more topic.

• 1:16:11Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, what?

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Why did Cheeto lose?

• 1:16:15Cameron Hanes?

  Why every fight, I feel like he should have got the decision and didn't.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  I don't know if I feel that way with this one.

• 1:16:24Cameron Hanes?

  Do you think he got?

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  I think he got beat. He just didn't strike enough.

• 1:16:29Cameron Hanes?

  The last round, he definitely was putting it on him.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  I would give him the last round.

• 1:16:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  But in, in, you know, the other two rounds, it's just like, okay.

• 1:16:36Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  Too many strikes and then the guy had control and it was like, it was a boring fight to be honest with you, but yeah, I'm kind of like, if you want, if you want the win, you gotta do more.

• 1:16:47Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I know. I don't know. Yeah, I'm a huge Cheeto fan. I want him to win. So I'm looking at it through the lens of, yeah, I think he got 29, 28. I think he got two to one. But it was 29, 28 the other way.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was bummed to see that.

• 1:17:03Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Me too. Cause God, such a good guy and.

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  He looked like he was in great shape too. So.

• 1:17:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I don't know. Tough job.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. That's for sure.

• 1:17:13Cameron Hanes?

  It's a tough job, but.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  I'm an armchair professional, so.

• 1:17:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, me too. All right, guys. That's what we had. Friend of the show, Cheeto. Good luck next time.

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  Friend of the show. Shout out to all the friends of the show.

• 1:17:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we got a lot of them.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Everybody.

• 1:17:29Cameron Hanes?

  All right, guys. Remember it's all love. Keep hammering. We'll catch you on the next one. Catch on shit talkers 23.