The Minnesota Fraud Scandal | An Unfiltered Conversation with Nick Shirley

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  Fraud is everywhere in the United States.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  The national spotlight continues to be right here in Minnesota as federal authorities investigate allegations now of widespread fraud. Today, it was several daycare centers. Now, this all comes in the wake of a viral video on daycare centers in Minnesota.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  We'd like to ask where the money's going. I mean, I literally uncovered and showed people potentially the largest fraud scandal in US history.

• 0:51Speaker 03

  $110 million in fraud at Minnesota daycare centers.

• 0:55Graham Stephan?

  Why do you think this went so viral?

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Because we always talk about fraud. You always hear about issues here in the United States. And so it's the first time where Americans could really see that fraud is taking place openly. People are receiving millions of dollars and they're actually not doing anything. We have a governor who fucking doesn't care.

• 1:11Graham Stephan?

  What's been the downside to this much virality?

• 1:14Speaker 01

  They're trying to get people reasons to take me out because of what I've exposed.

• 1:18Graham Stephan?

  Police have now appeared on scene. When you were making that video, did you uncover other fraud in the process?

• 1:26Speaker 01

  This is just the beginning.

• 1:32Graham Stephan?

  Nick Shirley, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour podcast. I can only imagine how busy you've been over the past 72 hours. It's been blowing up.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  It's been the most crazy and hectic 72 hours of my entire life.

• 1:43Graham Stephan?

  I gotta know, how many times did Elon Musk tweet about you yesterday?

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Just yesterday alone, referring to my video was 40.

• 1:51Graham Stephan?

  40 times?

• 1:53Speaker 01

  That had anything to do with the Minnesota fraud scandal.

• 1:55Graham Stephan?

  Has he reached out to you?

• 1:57Speaker 01

  We DM'd, actually. Like, I sent him a DM. I was like, because I noticed he followed me back and that he had been keep retweeting my stuff. I was like, when's he gonna follow me? And then he followed me. Then I saw that he followed me. I could see that. I could then send a message. And so I just said, thanks for the support. It means a lot. He's like, yes, thanks for the work you're doing.

• 2:13Graham Stephan?

  Wow. Is that all you guys have said?

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it.

• 2:16Graham Stephan?

  So if you could just briefly explain what you've been going through in the past 72 hours? And what is this news that's been erupting everywhere?

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, over the past 72 hours, I uncovered what could potentially be the largest fraud scandal in the US history that's been openly discovered on a broad level, on a national level, to where there's actually proof where people could see with their eyes that fraud was taking place. And so since I've launched my video in the past 72 hours, it's the most viewed video ever by somebody who's not named Mr. Beast. That's a long format video. That's pure organic reach. No ads, nothing like that. Just pure organic reach, over 130 million views on just the video alone on X. And then if you count all the other impressions, it did over 500 million views within 72 hours.

• 3:03Graham Stephan?

  When you were filming this, did you expect it to go so viral?

• 3:06Speaker 01

  No, I knew I had, I knew it was a great video, but because I've been making videos for so long, that I just thought it'd just be the, the weekly upload. But no, this has completely changed everything.

• 3:17Graham Stephan?

  Why, why do you think this went so viral to that degree?

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a mix of why it went so viral. It's because we always talk about fraud. You always hear about issues here in the United States. Oh, fraud, we're sending money there, we're sending money there. Why are we sending money to this country? Why are we sending money to these organizations? How come these politicians are getting rich? And how are they doing it? But what I did for the first time ever is I actually went to a location, multiple locations, had the numbers, had the exact amount of dollars they were receiving. And I went and just asked them, hey, can I enroll a child, my son, little Joey, into daycare? Can I go, can I talk to somebody? Can I get a brochure? Where are the children at? We don't hear them anywhere. There's no footprints in the snow. And so it was the first time where Americans could really see that fraud is taking place openly and people are receiving millions of dollars for running these daycare, home

• 4:06Speaker 01

  healthcare companies, and they're actually not doing anything.

• 4:08Graham Stephan?

  Now, a lot of this seems to be the work of David, who spent a lot of time going through this. Who is David and how did you get connected to him?

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, so David, he's a man in Minnesota. He's Been a lifelong advocate to stop crime and political corruption and to stop fraud inside of Minnesota, because Minnesota, they have a long history of fraud. This isn't just new that they've been doing these daycares. But I knew about the fraud taking place back in June. I went to Minnesota to do a video about the demographic change, the rise of Islam, how mosques are now replacing Christian churches, is how entire cities and communities are being taken over by the Somali population and people are getting pushed out of these locations. And when I was there, people started telling me about the fraud. They're like, you need to go check the daycare, you need to go talk to the home healthcare, the assisted living, like, why are there all these transportation vehicles running around with nobody in them?

• 4:59Speaker 01

  And I said, well, I can't make the video now, because before I do, I want to make sure it's, you just can't accuse people of millions of dollars of fraud without evidence. And so I continued to work on it and tried my best to get the resources and the numbers, but it was super hard. And then David just DM'd me out of the many DMs I get, I just, for some reason, happened to open up David's and he actually provided value inside of the comment. He said, I have all the numbers. So I gave David a call and he's like, I have everything. I've been getting information from inside of the Capitol. And he had all the numbers. And I was like, well, are you sure? Like, this is Friday? He's like, this has been happening for so long. I've never seen a child at any of the daycares. I drive by every year for the past seven years of going to work, and I've never seen a single child.

• 5:44Graham Stephan?

  Now, what's David's background? Because I was really curious about him, of how he was able to compile so much information. Is this just like a hobby of his?

• 5:52Speaker 01

  He's been fighting fraud for years. Even like when he was my age, he was just interested in the well-being of his communities. And so David, he's, he's just seen the fraud and he's seen the Somali population just expand. He's seen what Tim Walz has done as far as pretty much destroying the state. For instance, Minnesota was in a $16 billion surplus in the last millennium and now they're in a $4 or $6 billion deficit.

• 6:19Jack Selby?

  So was this already a really well-known local issue? So like people just knew about it in the town? Or was this something that like a few people knew about who are really attuned to like, you know, governments and stuff like that?

• 6:31Speaker 01

  People knew about it inside of Minnesota because the fraud's not new. Like there's videos back from like 2015 where the FBI went into these daycares or in 2017, they're talking about the fraud, but nobody could really get it to a national level because one, back in those days, censorship's pretty heavy. You didn't have the power of X. You didn't have the power of just being able to post freely onto the internet. And then it was just kind of a local issue. When the local news is doing their videos, they don't really know how to portray something to a way where it reaches national level. And they just have to go through all these different editorial processes versus a YouTuber like me who can edit, film, and then upload versus going from filming, the editing room,

• 7:13Speaker 01

  okay, final editing process, then we post it on our news website and then we'll post it onto our YouTube and it never actually gets, reaches the masses. And it's usually an older person who people can't relate with.

• 7:25Jack Selby?

  So when you say they are committing fraud, they are creating these daycare centers, they're embezzling millions, defrauding millions of dollars, who are they?

• 7:36Speaker 01

  The government in Minnesota, the people at the Capitol, because they're the ones writing the checks, they know that that fraud is taking place because they have all the violations, they have all the, many times where a lot of these daycares are ran by the same person. And then 89% of the population that is committing the fraud is Somali.

• 7:54Graham Stephan?

  In terms of fraud, could you walk us through the flow of money step by step in terms of who applies, who pays the money, who is behind that payment, who audits this, and who investigates it?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  So with the fraud, all the checks are being written from the Capitol. They're all being written from the people inside of the Capitol of Minnesota. And the way they get this money, some of it's federal money, federal money, it's also state money and inside of departments like the... Home and Health Services, the HHS, they give funding for things like childcare. And so what happens is Tim Walz, for instance, he's openly bragged about expanding daycare inside of Minnesota. He said like, we're going to give them raises back in 2023. And then even in the debate with J D Vance, he was talking about how, uh, how great it was of their childcare system inside Minnesota. The Minnesota government is so incompetent that multiple people will have violations

• 8:52Speaker 01

  or they'll have history of doing crime, but they'll still let them open up a daycare and then they'll receive this federal money. And so there's a entire whistleblowers who have created all these charts and everything about this one man having this one home healthcare business. He also has a daycare. He has six violations and he's still getting millions of dollars. But I believe it's all because the people are afraid to be called an Islamophobic or racist.

• 9:18Graham Stephan?

  So basically the state sets up a fund and some of that's from state money, some of it's from federal government money.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 9:25Graham Stephan?

  The fund says, we're going to give money to people who open up daycares.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  On welfare purposes.

• 9:31Graham Stephan?

  On welfare purposes. That enables anybody to apply for this, get federal funding with basically saying, hey, we have X amount of students here, X amount of kids are coming in, they give that in. And then what's the audit process like to make sure that's legitimate?

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the problem. And that's why the fraud's been able to go on for so long. Nobody really knows exactly how that audit process has been working because they've been enabling fraud for so long. Tim Walz has openly said that we've been, we've been fighting fraud since 2019. Okay. Well, Graham, if you're running a business and you have millions and billions of dollars being funneled to places, how long do you think it would take for you to cut off the funding?

• 10:10Jack Selby?

  How are you fighting fraud for six years?

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 10:13Jack Selby?

  Shouldn't the fight end?

• 10:14Speaker 01

  He's been, he's been enabling the fraud to happen. And that's why, why, what I did was such a compelling piece of content because it's showing that they're enabling this fraud to happen and nobody's even checking up. And these daycares can't even give you a brochure to enroll a child.

• 10:30Graham Stephan?

  Do you think that there's anything going on between the government and the people that own these daycares? Is there any money that's being funneled back into the government? Or are these Somalians just becoming rich?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  100% because Ilhan Omar, Congresswoman from Minnesota, well, she's from Somalia. She was then brought here to the United States. Her net worth went from negative to allegedly $30 million.

• 10:53Graham Stephan?

  So when you went into this, did you expect this to be more so just government waste? Or did you expect full-blown fraud?

• 11:00Speaker 01

  I expected a little bit of both. Like, I remember David saying, like, we're gonna go to the daycares. And so in the first clip of the video, you'll see me go to the daycare center. I'm like, alright, let's go in. And I go to open the door and it's locked. But their sign says, "Open 7 a.m. to 10 p.m." right above me. And I'm like, what's going on? All the windows are blacked out. But yet, they received millions of dollars this year.

• 11:23Graham Stephan?

  Now, what do you say to people who say, "Well, the door should be locked because we want to protect the students. We want to make sure that they're not, like, just gonna open the door and run off. And we want to protect people, like, observing inside the windows. And that's why it's important to have privacy."

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, CNN asked me that same question. I said, "Okay, well, fair point. Then how come when I call that phone number, nobody answers? And how come when I ring the doorbell and ask for, "Bro, sure," they can't give me any paperwork to enroll a child?" So yeah, maybe you lock the door. Go ahead and do that. But you should be able to answer a simple question. How do I, when I ask, "How do I enroll my son Joey into daycare?"

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• 12:26Speaker 01

  How do I do it? They can't even answer it.

• 12:28Graham Stephan?

  What was the most shameless thing that you saw in person?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Just the fact that they couldn't give me any responses. They're receiving millions of dollars and I can't even get a brochure to enroll an imaginary son Joey into daycare.

• 12:40Graham Stephan?

  Did they appear to have any guilt when you spoke to them? Or did they seem entitled and just everything was like twisted?

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Very much entitlement. They treated me like I was like scum to them. They called the police on me, they kicked me out of their buildings. And I was simply asking for rates and for brochures for to enroll a child in daycare and for healthcare. And they said I was doing some sort of propaganda piece. And this isn't about the race. However, when 89% of that population is committing fraud, that's just a fact. It doesn't make you a racist for talking about fraud.

• 13:16Graham Stephan?

  Now, what about the counter arguments I saw? That people would be more closed off talking to you when you show up at the camera? Or you pull up in like some SUV and they don't know who you are? Versus just like some lady just walking up knocking on the door?

• 13:30Speaker 01

  My good, a good counter claim would do that would be, well, just answer the question. So there's no confusion. I'm not coming across hostile. I'm just asking you the simple question. And in a lot of cases, for instance, the one lady who I interviewed, who I, well, I tried to ask for a brochure. Everyone else was in the car. I went up by myself. David was far away. She had all the opportunities in the world to just simply answer some questions.

• 13:54Graham Stephan?

  Have you heard any counter arguments to your video that gave you any pause? Or that maybe you thought, hey, that's actually a good point?

• 14:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 14:03Graham Stephan?

  You haven't had anybody reach out to you saying that I've actually, you know, had a kid at this childcare?

• 14:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 14:08Graham Stephan?

  I would imagine.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  The mainstream media has tried to come after me so much to the point where they're defending fraud now. One of the daycares I went to, they went to open the door. And then a few days later, since I released my video, CBS then went to the daycare. And I don't doubt that there are some children inside these daycares because you'd be super stupid to be running these and not at least have a few kids in there. So this one daycare was licensed for 40 children. CBS goes there. The guy can barely speak English and they do this hit piece on me. And they're like, we're an operating daycare. We have four children here. Okay, well, they're licensed for 40 and you're receiving millions of dollars. Those, each one of those children aren't worth $250,000 a year for government funding.

• 14:50Graham Stephan?

  So how much were these centers making? And how much were people taking home from that?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Well, the largest one was 3.45 million dollars. And then the, on the low, it'd be around 1.2 million.

• 15:02Graham Stephan?

  So one thing I'm really curious about, the landlords of these buildings, do they know what's going on? Do you think they're in on it? Are they charging market rates for these places? Who owns the buildings that these people are leasing?

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I haven't really looked into that, but I'm sure they're just happy to be committed. I'm sure they're happy to be receiving a check every single month.

• 15:24Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, because I gotta say, so when I looked into a lot of Los Angeles and California, it seems as though people will open up these like homeless centers, but they'll pay these absurd amounts in rent. And the landlords allegedly go in with the mindset of like, hey, we're going to charge either a lot of money or we know these people and we could kick back some money to the owner of this building. That could be something to look into that I was curious about.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think if you're a landlord, you're probably just happy to have somebody inside your building and you know they're getting money from the government, so you know they're going to pay every single month. So if I was a landlord, I'd probably rent to them too. Just smart business.

• 16:02Jack Selby?

  One thing I'm really curious about, you mentioned Ilhan Omar is now worth 30 million dollars. And when she went into office, she was actually in debt with a negative net worth. Can you just go in and see where her money is coming from?

• 16:13Speaker 01

  No, I don't think we can, but I think they, they have to, they have to make it public like, wow, I think they have to make it public what their net worth is, congressman and congresswoman.

• 16:21Graham Stephan?

  They have to provide.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  They have to provide assets.

• 16:24Graham Stephan?

  The IRS would probably be the only one that would know where the money is coming from.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Because I think they only receive 175,000 dollars a year with their salary from Congress.

• 16:35Jack Selby?

  It seems like, at least for the population, not necessarily for the congresspeople, it would be bipartisan to mandate if you're in office, you show your net worth when you join office and then you show all of your tax returns or where your money is coming from while you serve.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 16:50Jack Selby?

  I feel like that would be every normal person that isn't in government would agree on that. But obviously, any senator or congressperson like left or right would probably not vote for that.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's hard because it's like, how do you, how do you say like, oh, they can trade stocks, but we can't, for instance? But when they're inside Congress, so it's like, maybe if that's something that the government should look and do, like, okay, if you're gonna become a congressman or congresswoman for these four years, or for however long you're in here, your main focus is just to serve the American people and not to be having interest, that outside interest to boost your net worth. Because we can't just say like, hey, no, you can't invest, or you're only gonna have a 401k, because if you see an opportunity, you should be able to invest as well. But to have exponential returns like Nancy Pelosi or Ilhan Omar, that's just very suspicious.

• 17:39Jack Selby?

  Or at least transparency, like, where is Ilhan Omar's money coming from? Like, if we were able to just see that she was collecting massive wire transfers from Leering, you know, center, then we'd be able to prove something.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it would give a lot more people more transparency and then also a lot more trust.

• 17:56Jack Selby?

  Why was Doge not able to do this?

• 17:58Speaker 01

  What I just did was kind of more of a decentralized Doge effort in a way where I went about it and did it in a way where people could just go ahead and see it. And I think Doge, because they're with the government, I bet they'd have a harder time to kind of go out and produce something like this. And I think that's why you see Elon Musk giving me so much support right now, because what I'm doing was kind of like the effort of Doge, but to a decentralized way where people can see it. Because Doge, they have all the contracts and they went and they did cut a lot of the funding and they did get down to a lot of what was happening, but they saw so much pushback from the public and from the left that they weren't able to go about and make all the changes that they wish they could.

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• 19:51Graham Stephan?

  So what rules are out there to prevent abuse?

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't exactly know what rules they have for abuse, but if Elon Musk can't figure it out, it just shows how many guardrails there are.

• 20:02Jack Selby?

  If you were to then solve this issue, what do you think would be the best solution to prevent something like this from happening?

• 20:07Graham Stephan?

  And what would a paper trail look like?

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think now, because of the video, now all of these companies have to prove that they are legit businesses before they receive their funding. All their payments are frozen right now in Minnesota. So if Minnesota actually cared about stopping the fraud, like Tim Walz has been saying for six years, what I would have done is I would have done surprise visits. And I would have not notified them when I'm coming, but more so done a surprise visit and say, hey, we're government officials. We just want to see how your business is operating. Okay, if you're licensed for 40 children and you have 35 kids here, perfect. But if you're licensed for 40 children and you have four kids here and we're giving you a million dollars, we should probably look into this and figure out why this is happening.

• 20:52Graham Stephan?

  It seems like it would be very easy to solve on a high level without even doing that by just looking, how many centers are operating? How many children do they say are within those schools? And how many children exist in the area? And if you see, hey, there's 3,000 children in this area, but their capacity is 40,000 that we're paying for, then maybe that's a red flag.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a total red flag for a lot of these businesses. And if you drive around Minneapolis, you'll notice if you start paying attention, you'll notice, wait, why is that industrialized building have a childcare clinic? Or why is there an adult daycare right here? And why is there Somali daycare right here, like legit? Like, why is there African refugee? Immigration processes, or why is there Eritrean services? Like, all this weird stuff. What's the need for all that? Like, me and you, us three, we all operate a business, whether it be a YouTube channel, or selling coffee, selling T-shirts. We have to work in profit. These guys don't have to even conceptualize the idea of turning a profit, because they're receiving all this money. And so, it's not fair to the hardworking American, who is trying to provide for their family, go to work,

• 21:58Speaker 01

  and then pay normal daycare rates.

• 22:00Graham Stephan?

  So is this just Minnesota? Or is it like, we're driving around in Vegas, and I see a daycare. Is there a chance, hey, it's everywhere throughout the United States?

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Fraud is everywhere in the United States. And now you're seeing all these other people go to these daycares, because a lot of them receive money on welfare purposes. And so, and all that information's public. And so, you can go ahead and find that information. And if you're suspicious of a local daycare in your area, you could go get the information, or you could just simply go and ask, like, "Hey, is this guy enrolled a child in the daycare here?" And see it for yourself. But I don't want everyone to start going to daycares and saying, "Where are the children?"

• 22:37Graham Stephan?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  I think that'd be bad.

• 22:38Graham Stephan?

  I started seeing a lot of copycats now, going and doing this.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  And so, what's hard about that is I actually did my due diligence when I went and made my video. You don't want to see just a bunch of people hopping up to daycares and saying, "Where are the children?" But people also have the right to just simply ask the question. You have houses in Washington State that are legit houses that are licensed for adult daycares or for childcares inside of neighborhoods that you wouldn't even know.

• 23:02Graham Stephan?

  See, what I worry about when it comes to copycats is that you have most people who go in with good intentions, who say, "Hey, I see this, this upsets me, I want to help." And then you get people who just take it too far. And that's all it takes, is you get one person who just starts, like, absolutely harassing somebody. Maybe it's legitimate daycare, takes it too far, and it kind of ruins it for everybody.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, people can do what they want. My job is to do my job. And so, like, the way I carry about myself is in a way that I can feel good about sleeping at night. If somebody wants to go harass a daycare, we can't stop them from doing it. And it's bad on them for doing it. They should do their due diligence and figure out if it's a fraudulent daycare or not, before they show up.

• 23:50Jack Selby?

  So we have a few videos that I found online that basically claim that everything you were saying was fraudulent. So I want to get you... Your response to these viral videos.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm ready.

• 24:00Speaker 06

  So, most of our clients, not most of our clients, all of our clients is after school hours. So, schools earliest dismissal would be 2:15 to 2:30ish. And the latest dismissal would be up to like 4:30ish, 4:40ish. So, that's when our kids come to us. We don't have anyone in the morning.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  So, that man, while he's outside saying that, the commissioner of children at the same time is on a livestream saying that they closed that daycare a week ago. He's lying. The commissioner of children was literally on a livestream at that same moment saying they closed that childcare center a week ago. I filmed my video December 16th. And so, after I had filmed my video, they then had shut down that daycare. And while he's talking about that, the lady's literally on a livestream saying they closed down the daycare. They're bussing in children. And then that same guy is in video partying with the mayor when the mayor got elected.

• 24:53Jack Selby?

  Okay, so I saw that video as well, and I was actually gonna get your reaction to that. So, you're saying that this specific individual is somehow related to the mayor?

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:06Jack Selby?

  And so, what's that relation, what's that relationship look like?

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's in the background of the mayor winning the election, and they're all dancing. And that guy's allegedly the manager, and his parents are the owners.

• 25:18Jack Selby?

  So, did you go to the Quality Leering Center during hours where kids should be present?

• 25:23Speaker 01

  So, I went there on December 16th. Their operation hours said from 12 to 10 p.m. However, that's actually illegal to be operating a daycare at that time, from 12 p.m. to 10 p.m. And there's actually are restrictions in how at the certain hours where they do need to be operating. But the purpose was not to just barge into a daycare. The purpose was to show 1.9 million dollars is going there. It's licensed for 99 children. And there's one door, the door's all blacked out, the sign's spelled wrong. You can't, you can't even call the phone number and have anyone respond. There's not a reception for you to be received at. It's a fraudulent daycare.

• 26:01Jack Selby?

  So, what about this video then?

• 26:04Speaker 06

  This is ABC Learning Center in Minneapolis.

• 26:06Speaker 07

  They have to learn ABC and numbers.

• 26:09Speaker 06

  Director Ahmed Hassan gave WCCO a tour after finding his daycare in the national spotlight.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Alright, we've arrived to ABC Learning Center.

• 26:18Speaker 06

  In a now-viral video, right-wing YouTuber Nick Shirley claims nearly a dozen daycare centers in Minnesota are taking public funds but not providing a service. He says ABC Learning Center is one of them, knocking on the door in mid-December.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  I would like to check a child in the daycare.

• 26:33Speaker 06

  Hassan says his employee didn't respond because Shirley was in a group of about eight people, and his staff were concerned about recent ICE activity. Is this daycare committing fraud?

• 26:42Speaker 01

  No, no, no, we're not committing fraud.

• 26:44Speaker 06

  Hassan showed a security footage from the same day Shirley was here. According to the timestamps in the videos, this woman takes a young child into the center at around 9:00 a.m. that day, about three hours before Shirley arrives at the door closer to the street. Within the hour after Shirley leaves, a woman arrives at the other door with a stroller. A larger family heads inside a few hours later. Tuesday afternoon, WCCO found at least a dozen children at ABC Learning Center, which is licensed with the state. Records show Minnesota officials last visited the daycare in November, noting some corrected and ongoing violations related to day-to-day operations, but no record of fraud.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  So, you're seeing the attack on me by them calling me a right-wing YouTuber, MAGA YouTuber, conservative. The mainstream media is extremely scared because I got more views on one video than they get all year. So, um, their claim that they are a legit business, well, obviously, they're not going to admit that they're a fraudulent business to the local news. They're receiving millions of dollars. What's the purpose of receiving all these dollars if you have, even if it's 12 children compared to the 40 that they're supposed to have? And why are all their windows blocked out? Why can't, why are they so scared to show people what they're doing behind doors? So, yeah, maybe. Actually, they're not, they're fraudulent business. So, what's the purpose of having a daycare where you can't even show the public?

• 28:05Jack Selby?

  Did you get any valid criticisms, though, from your video? Anything that you thought, like, okay, this might actually make sense?

• 28:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 28:12Graham Stephan?

  Do you think like, what could they like, what do you guys think? Give me your opinion.

• 28:16Jack Selby?

  I think the the only argument that I could see a little bit is that you are showing up to daycares, probably in a group of people with cameras, lighting equipment, stuff that generally causes a disturbance. And so if you're trying to enter, they obviously might be more apprehensive to let you in and fill out a document and, you know, be in a room maybe with kids.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Well, if they're operating legally, why would they have any worries?

• 28:41Graham Stephan?

  I wouldn't open up if I were a business in fairness. If you come in with cameras and I feel like there's no, there's no benefit for me to do this. If you're showing up trying to record, you don't know the manner of which the content's going to be used, it's inside a private business. I get that. I think if you were to show up as like some modest looking lady with a child with one of those like, you know, secret reporters on glasses, I think that would go over differently.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  So I showed up with meta glasses and a GoPro. I didn't have lighting equipment, I didn't have a big massive camera. A lot of times I was just, I even had my GoPro just inside my pocket and I was just using the meta glasses. And the security, because of how hostile and I had been, I'd priorly jumped in June by Somalians, it was necessary to have security in the car.

• 29:34Graham Stephan?

  Do you, do you think there's, there's something higher up in like running these? Because I'll give you an example. When I went to Paris, you see by the Eiffel Tower, like everyone's selling little like trinkets and stuff like this.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, they've ruined the Eiffel Tower.

• 29:47Graham Stephan?

  The, the police come and they all like pick them up really quickly and they run off. And then as I was walking around, I see some guys on like walkie talkies and stuff like this. The police comes out, they, they, you know, whisper something and everyone kind of bolts. And I was looking into this thinking like, okay, how much money are they actually making doing this sort of business? Like, why sell this? I didn't realize, this is also just again, what I'm just reading online, is that supposedly a lot of the people are trafficked in and they're basically slaves. To sell these trinkets and if they don't do that, they're threatened or they're, you know, they could be beaten up or certain things like this. So they're, they're kind of forced to do these things.

• 30:29Graham Stephan?

  Do you think that could be a possibility that this is a much bigger operation than just individuals doing this, that maybe there's like a higher power or somebody controlling all of these? And the money just funnels up to one person?

• 30:41Speaker 01

  It's a massive operation. That's why it's been able to happen for so long. And that's why you see Minnesota panhandling to the Somali population, who's a small percentage of the population of Minnesota, to the point where they even said that the original Minnesota flag was bad and switched it to a flag that resembles the Somali flag.

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• 31:32Speaker 01

  And so within these communities, when this is just a simple effects of mass migration, a lot of people do come in and for instance, in Paris, they're all working inside those networks at the Eiffel Tower. I've been there myself. They're all inside the WhatsApp group chats. They're all coordinating. They're all taking my photo and they're sending it off to everybody. But in the case of what's happening in Minnesota is you have all these people living inside of the same communities. You have all these, these men with four wives who are able to then use these women to go out and do their dirty work for them while they stay inside, while they stay inside the office.

• 32:03Graham Stephan?

  How do you think they pass the inspections every six months?

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of them don't. For instance, Quality Leering Center had multiple violations, upwards of 10 violations, but they're still able to give them the money. That's another, that's why this is such a big problem. This is why they should stop all the funding to these daycares. Cause I don't doubt that there are some that are bringing in children. For instance, that ABC one, good for them for having 12 children in on that day when the news came by and they let them know beforehand that they were coming. Good for them for doing that, right? And there, another counter claim that came at me with was, well, you filmed it during winter break. No, I actually didn't. I filmed it on December 16th. So school and nobody, people were not on break yet. And now you guys are bringing in kids during winter break. Like their claims have been completely debunked just by common sense.

• 32:51Graham Stephan?

  Did any of them show you documentation showing that they were legitimate?

• 32:56Speaker 01

  No, that's the problem. They couldn't answer a single question. I gave them plenty of opportunities to say, where are the children? Where are the children at?

• 33:04Jack Selby?

  How many did you visit?

• 33:05Speaker 01

  I think we've visited around seven or so.

• 33:08Jack Selby?

  It would be interesting because you're working with this guy who does all of this research. If he could find one that is operating as it should, and then you can go there and see how different the experience is compared to these fraudulent ones.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been funny to see people on the internet. They're like, alright Nick, surely this is actually how daycare works. You see this? I'm gonna click this button. I'm gonna go in, I'm gonna go talk to the receptionist, and then I'm gonna go grab my child. Those, those other businesses, those Somali ran businesses, those aren't real businesses. That's not how a daycare works.

• 33:35Jack Selby?

  Did you see the other fraud that's going on now in Minnesota as well with the assisted living facilities?

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, so there are all these welfare programs. So the daycare, it's tied into that fraud. The home healthcare, that's tied into that fraud. The assisted living site tied into that fraud. The transportation vehicles, that's all tied into the fraud. The translators at the hospitals, which no one even knows about, that's tied into the fraud.

• 33:57Graham Stephan?

  Who reached out to you from the video?

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Everybody. Like I have, I can't even get, I can't even respond to somebody then get back to the text message after, because it's 10 people deep within five minutes. But on the internet, JD Vance, he republished the video. Elon Musk, the Attorney General of the United States, the Director of the FBI, so many people. That's just, those are, that, think about that. It's the richest man in the world, the second most powerful man in the world, the Attorney General of the United States, and the Director of the FBI. They all had to come out and talk about that video.

• 34:34Jack Selby?

  Did the governor of Minnesota reach out to you?

• 34:36Speaker 01

  No, he actually blamed the fraud on Trump.

• 34:39Jack Selby?

  And what did he say Trump did?

• 34:41Speaker 01

  He said, well, Trump keeps letting fraudsters out of prison, and he blamed and deflected everything. He actually called me a white supremacist. He called anybody who's speaking out against the fraud, white supremacist.

• 34:52Graham Stephan?

  And what's your response to that?

• 34:53Speaker 01

  I'm not. And fraud is fraud. And Tim Walz.

• 34:57Graham Stephan?

  But here's the thing, that's exactly what a white supremacist would say.

• 35:00Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 35:00Graham Stephan?

  Well, just like the daycares would say, well, we're not fraud. You would say, well, I'm not.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Well, I'm not a white supremacist, alright? Tim Walz, he is so scared to be called a racist and for speaking facts that he's allowed. Billions of dollars to be sent overseas and fund terrorists like Al Shabaab. So Tim Walz is a coward.

• 35:21Jack Selby?

  And what's the benefit to Tim Walz?

• 35:23Speaker 01

  The benefit to Tim Walz, he gets votes. When you have 100,000 people that will all go and vote for you, that's a huge percentage of the people that will vote. And this happens in Europe as well. And this is why you're seeing the rise of Islam inside of these countries like the UK. And that's why you see the Labour Party in the UK, for instance, they're so powerful. And you're seeing so many Muslims be elected inside of, in Europe. Because they come into the country, they then go to their mosque. And then when a politician needs the vote, he'll go to the mosque where they have 1,000 people inside the community. All right, we're gonna, we're gonna, and then they say, well, we're gonna let you vote.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Or we're gonna say, and then they say, well, we're gonna do what you guys want. We're gonna make sure you guys are protected, which they already are, especially in the United States. We have the constitution, so. But in these other places, then when it comes time to vote, the mosque, the people that run the mosque will then take everyone and go vote. In Minnesota right now, you can vote, you can vouch for eight people when you go and vote.

• 36:29Jack Selby?

  What does that even mean?

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, so one person can vouch for eight people.

• 36:33Jack Selby?

  And how do you prove that you've been vouched for?

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if you're living inside of the same community, or I believe like organization, you can then vouch for the other eight people. If you can provide that, show their documentation or that, just their license. And you don't need to be a legal citizen to receive a license in the United States and a lot of states.

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• 38:24Jack Selby?

  Are you concerned at all though, when you're speaking in broad terms of like these communities do this, these communities do that, that somehow when that gets diluted over and over, eventually it's going to turn people hateful towards a certain group of people? That like eventually people are going to be actually Islamophobic?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  No, because I'm just showing people for what it is. If it's 89%, of the population is committing the fraud in Minnesota, yeah, you might piss off a lot of people. If everyone's paying taxes and then 81% of that population's on welfare receiving your dollars, while they're committing 89% of the fraud receiving millions of dollars, yeah, you're going to piss off a lot of people.

• 39:07Jack Selby?

  Some would make the argument that the fraud in Minnesota is only a fraction of a percent compared to something like the pandemic unemployment fraud, which was somewhere in like a hundred plus billion dollars.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  People should be equally mad about that. But with that, you can't go and see it. For instance, in Minnesota, they had a Feeding Our Future. They received $250 million to feed children inside Minnesota, and they only ended up feeding 40 children.

• 39:33Jack Selby?

  Another thing that people aren't talking about enough is the Califraud, California fraud, the railway that they're trying to build between Los Angeles and San Francisco. They've so far spent $15 billion on it. Not a single track has been laid. And some estimates are saying that it could take up until 2032, 2033, with also some people claiming up to 2038. This hasn't approved $150 billion with a B-dollar budget, which is insane.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  And what's crazy is that even if they do it, they spend $135 billion and they finish in 2038. It's going to be obsolete anyway because we're going to have self-driving cars. No one is going to use it. We're all going to get in like a Tesla taxicab and just be in your own little pod and just go there anyway.

• 40:20Jack Selby?

  It would be fascinating to uncover that. Because I imagine, you said actually that you were having billionaires reaching out to you, asking you to uncover more fraud, specifically in California.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, because imagine how mad you'd be if you're a billionaire and all of a sudden you just, they just impose a new tax, they're trying to impose a new tax on these billionaires, and you're seeing stuff like that happen.

• 40:40Jack Selby?

  Elon Musk just tweeted today that he actually broke the IRS software because he sent a tax payment that was so large that they couldn't process it, and they had to update the software.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  It had to have an extra digit. Wow.

• 40:55Jack Selby?

  For him to make the tax payment.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, Elon's the beast. Like Elon is one of the biggest net benefits for civilization that we have lived in our lifetimes. Or we have experienced.

• 41:06Jack Selby?

  Why do you think it is that he gets so much hate?

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, because he speaks the truth. And he creates innovation. People don't like that.

• 41:13Jack Selby?

  Why do people not like truth or innovation? Innovation specifically, why do people not like it?

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it goes against what they're trying to do. For instance, if you're trying to receive hundreds and billions of dollars for the homeless population, and then Elon Musk goes on Joe Rogan, he says, well, that actually could probably be solved, but these people are incentivized to keep homeless so they can keep the funding. So when he's trying to talk about stuff is like AI. Like AI is a complicated one because we don't really know what it's going to be like when because we're just sitting here, we're just average people, but we have to, I think with AI, that's very important that we're on top of what's going on with AI. But Elon Musk, he's been like the biggest net benefit as far as giving us a platform to post free speech and not worry about getting censored on, to give us stuff as like Starlink

• 41:57Speaker 01

  or to give us Teslas, like what bad has he done for our civilization?

• 42:02Jack Selby?

  What benefit have you seen from using X?

• 42:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, X is YouTube, people go to get informed, X, they go to get their news, and TikTok, they go to get entertained. And so when you post on X, you have no cap on how many impressions you can get. On YouTube, it's very hard to get a video over a million, especially get one over 5 million and good luck ever getting a video over 100 million. On X, on X, you can simply just upload and then it can get shared to everyone and the most powerful people in the world use X.

• 42:37Jack Selby?

  That was an interesting point that you made, which is billionaires are probably not going to be spending 40 minutes watching a documentary on YouTube. And so even if your video got 4 million views on YouTube, the 100 million views that you got on X, you're going to have a different caliber of viewers there that, you know, will not spend all the time trying to do the deep dives into research because their time is spent, you know, running billion dollar companies.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they're simply like on their breakthrough, when they're doing stuff, we're in their office, they're just, all right, let's get the quick news, what's happening for today, what's Trump saying? And boom, it's just right there.

• 43:09Jack Selby?

  We got to post on X.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:10Jack Selby?

  What are we doing?

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 43:12Jack Selby?

  We got to post on X. Would like, what opportunities have risen for you for posting on X?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think X, like I said, it's the place where people go get their news. So for me, I mean, I've been able to get, reach different audiences. For instance, on YouTube, I'm not getting to reach an audience of people that are literally like trying to make the change in the United States. You're getting more consumers and less producers. The producers are on X. The people that are making the changes in the world, they're on X. You have the crypto people, they're on X. You have the AI people, they're on X. The government, they're on X. So you have all the most powerful people literally getting information from people just like me who are posting on X.

• 43:52Graham Stephan?

  Do you make money on X?

• 43:53Speaker 01

  You don't, that's the problem with X. You don't make that much money. However, the opportunities that you could get could lead to more money as far as like, people then when they go to YouTube and they see your thumbnail, then they then click on your video. Cause it gives your face more recognition. It's just like posting on TikTok. You really don't make that much money posting on TikTok, but then when they go to YouTube and they see your face, they then click on the button.

• 44:14Graham Stephan?

  What's been the downside to this much virality?

• 44:17Speaker 01

  The doxing, because they don't really, they can't get anything on me because I haven't really done anything. Like I've, they don't have much controversy. I've lived my life in a way where I can feel like, I try to live a life where I can feel shameless if I have to, if I ever die, you know what I mean? Like I don't want to go up to heaven and have a bunch of sins I have to repent for. So like I've always lived my life in a way where I'm gonna have fun, do my thing, but I'm gonna make sure I stay within the guidelines of what I believe to be correct. And so with that, since they can't come after me, they're coming after people around me or my family members that are trying to get information on stuff. And it's like, well, there's really not much you can get. And why would you be putting my information out onto the internet? Why would you be putting my address?

• 44:59Graham Stephan?

  How do they get your information like that?

• 45:01Speaker 01

  I don't know. Like I've done such a good job at like keeping all my information private. I have not included really anybody in my family into my YouTube channel, channel other than my mom. So I've tried to keep everyone kind of stepped aside from my content. And they're just seeing how evil people are for wanting to come and kill me for talking about fraud.

• 45:21Graham Stephan?

  How do you protect yourself and make sure that you're safe?

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, now it sucks because now I have to have security. Like I never expected to have to go film a video and have four security people inside of a car watching around or walking into, to the corner to make sure that no threat comes. Cause in Minnesota, I go and film part two and a man, a Somali man stops in the middle of the intersection, stops his car in the middle of a red light, in the middle of the intersection, hops out and just comes and literally tries to come and attack me.

• 45:50Graham Stephan?

  And what happened?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Luckily, security was there to stop him, but if he wasn't-

• 45:54Graham Stephan?

  You have that footage?

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Yes. Whoa. And so luckily, like now I just can't go and do stuff because especially with I pissed off a pretty bad group of people to piss off, the Somali population. Because if it's one, if you piss off one Somali, you're pissing off the whole entire community.

• 46:10Graham Stephan?

  Do you worry about maybe like you should wear like a bulletproof vest or something?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, every time I'm out in public now, especially when I'm filming, always wearing a bulletproof vest.

• 46:19Graham Stephan?

  And how do you protect your identity if, let's just say you're gonna stay in like a hotel or like order an Uber, like would you ever worry that someone would see this and be like, oh, wait, this is the guy, make a few phone calls, hey, I'm dropping him off here?

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yesterday at the airport, I told you guys like, I'm not getting an Uber, so you need to get someone to pick me up. So that's like a big issue I have now.

• 46:40Jack Selby?

  And have you ever had any other nasty encounters with people that want to do you harm?

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Oh, plenty, especially, I get very positive reactions from people when I'm out in public. However, when I'm live streaming, I go to a protest, like I'm walking into the dens of the lions, bro. They like just come after me, like they'll literally come and swarm me and I used to not bring security with me. But so now I don't know how I'm gonna be able to go do those live streams because people have became so radicalized and what you're seeing with the news right now is they've came and attacked me so hard and what they try to get you on is you're a, they say, you're a MAGA influencer, conservative, anti-immigration, Islamophobe. So when they do get to the point where they then try to do something to my life, they can justify it.

• 47:26Jack Selby?

  I think you probably should not be going live anymore.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:31Jack Selby?

  It would be like, at this point, you could just be doing, filming videos and honestly, honestly, maybe even disguising yourself, like having a makeup team.

• 47:40Graham Stephan?

  That's what I said.

• 47:41Jack Selby?

  Having some sort of a makeup team to, because also people are gonna recognize you and they're gonna behave differently when you walk up to a place wanting to film them. And if you were to just put on a wig and do some makeup and look completely differently, you're gonna have a more unbiased perspective when you're trying to investigate things.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Exactly. And kind of going back to the point of like being on X versus just being a YouTuber. For instance, a lot of other YouTubers, I mean, they try still go into, they might have a lot more subscribers than me, however, they don't have this much recognition because I'm on all platforms and I focus on all platforms. And so like. For instance, a few other YouTubers, for instance, like Tommy G. I really like Tommy G.'s video. But he's not really in the political aspect of things where his videos are getting posted on X. So people probably aren't trying to make attacks on him. Attacks on him and he's not as controversial as me. But because I kind of do news-based videos and now you're seeing the left come at me for being

• 48:35Speaker 01

  a MAGA influencer or for being a conservative, for being a YouTube prankster when I was younger. They're all being anti-immigration. They're all trying to put this picture on me so then they can come and attack me.

• 48:48Graham Stephan?

  Why is it turned so politicized? Why can't we all just be in agreement that we're against fraud? No matter who commits it?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Wouldn't you think people would be celebrating that I just exposed one of the largest fraud scandals in America history? Like shouldn't people be happy that, oh, our taxes are finally going to be able to at least get a hold of one of the fraud scandals here in the United States? Shouldn't people be happy about that? Instead, they're, instead the news is investigating the journalist versus investigating the fraudsters. CNN did a whole entire thing on me when I went outside a quality leering center and I talked to them and then they're like, "We called seven of the daycares, one of them answered and they said they weren't fraudulent." Trying to debunk my claim. I'm like...

• 49:31Jack Selby?

  Incredible reporting from one of the most trustworthy sources ever.

• 49:35Graham Stephan?

  They said it was legit, so, uh, yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  And I even gave them the opportunity to interview me live at that same location when they were on live and they said no.

• 49:45Jack Selby?

  Really? They said no? So they would rather talk about you than talk to you?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  And so I knew when I was having that interaction how they were going to clip it up. But they actually did a fair job in making me, making me look very well because I answered all four questions.

• 49:57Graham Stephan?

  So one thing I'm really curious about, there is a proposed tax strike going on right now on Twitter that a lot of people are saying, "Hey, we shouldn't pay our taxes because all of it's going to waste." What are your thoughts on a tax strike?

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the Boston Tea Party, they, they freaked out because of just a few percentages. We're paying 40, 30, 20, some people are paying 50% of taxes of their dollars to the government. So I don't think it's a bad thing. It's not, it wouldn't be anything new for America, but the problem is they'll imprison you if you don't pay your taxes. But if you're a politician who allows... Nine billion dollars of fraud, nothing, nothing happens.

• 50:35Graham Stephan?

  See, how do you explain to the taxpayer the discrepancy when they want to track Venmo payments of more than $600, but there is so much fraud going on every day that you could blatantly see? How do you explain that to the taxpayer in terms of a discrepancy of like, we want to track this, but there's so much just wasted?

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. It's like shameful how much money we give to taxes and I'm not into the nitty gritty of the IRS. I'm not a taxed, I'm not a tax person, I'm not a CPA, but I just know that we pay way too much taxes.

• 51:10Graham Stephan?

  And what happens to a society if people stop believing that their tax dollars are going to the right places?

• 51:15Speaker 01

  You're seeing it right now. People are very upset. Like you said, people are attempting to go on a tax strike and it'd be amazing if we could actually do something. And people are so mad at Trump for putting tariffs on other countries and the whole goal is eventually to kind of make, instead of have the IRS have a different way of funding for our country.

• 51:35Graham Stephan?

  There was a really interesting tweet that said that roughly one and a half trillion dollars a year is wasted due to fraud or overspending and that if we could just get rid of that, you could literally implement no income tax on all income under $650,000 a year.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  I believe it.

• 51:56Graham Stephan?

  You just get rid of the waste and the fraud.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I 100% believe it. And why, why should the government be paying for people's lifestyles? Why should they be paying for giving people millions of dollars? Why should they be giving people millions of dollars where they're churning profit for systems like daycare centers? If anything, it should just be a nonprofit.

• 52:17Graham Stephan?

  Do you think that the fraud is partisan? That one side engages in more fraud than the other?

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Yes, 100%.

• 52:25Graham Stephan?

  And how do you know that?

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Just look at Minnesota, look at California. There's fraud in all 50 states, but you're seeing massive fraud take place inside of these states. For instance, just with the illegal immigration fraud that took place when we started letting in. Millions of people inside the United States. That was a total left wing issue. Democrats were flying people in, literally flying them into the United States.

• 52:48Graham Stephan?

  So how was that fraud to let in immigrants?

• 52:51Speaker 01

  So when we talk about like spending, then they're giving the money to NGOs.

• 52:55Graham Stephan?

  Explain an NGO.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, so NGO is a non-government organization. And in California, for instance, you'll see a ton of NGOs. And I even had a mayor of a California town tell me why they create these NGOs. So for instance, say you're going to run for office and you need campaign money and you're currently in office, but you're going to need more money for your next campaign. Well, you go and tell somebody, hey, go start this NGO. We're going to give you the money. Once the money is sent over to you, we'll get it back into our hands for the campaign. And so then there is then a label, this is allegedly, because I don't want to get sued. But that's one of the ways why you see so many NGOs. And that's why, for instance, the migrant crisis, people were making millions and millions of dollars off of that migrant crisis.

• 53:42Graham Stephan?

  Now, when you expose all the fraud, are you worried about getting sued or being dragged into a lawsuit that could take a long time and cost a lot of money?

• 53:51Speaker 01

  They'll have to defend themselves as well. They'll have to prove that they're a legit business. So Quality Leering Center, they can't prove they're a legit business because they're a fraudulent business.

• 54:02Graham Stephan?

  Here's what could be the potential, though.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  I should start saying allegedly a little bit more.

• 54:08Graham Stephan?

  Maybe, but the issue that you run into is someone could just say, hey, I'm going to sue you for saying this, for defamation. The damage is $100 million and because we have so much money behind us, we're just going to drag it out for years. And so we're going to cost you 500 grand and either you have to pay it or hey, we just settle and you give us $50,000 and you agree not to talk about us. How are you planning to combat that if someone were to sue you?

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, so when did like journalism become criminal? Too, like that's a whole nother thing of it's like, I'm a journalist. I go out and show people what's happening. And do you think like CNN, they came after me yesterday? And it's like, okay, they're like, are you 100% sure about your video? I said, I said, well, I presented you how it was. You can go ahead and make your own analysis. And that, and she said, well, are you 100% sure? I said, yeah, I am sure. And then some comments like, hey, were you guys 100% true about Russian gate? About mass immigration, about COVID? Were you guys 100% true about all these other things? So it's like, how can?

• 55:15Graham Stephan?

  Well, the unfortunate aspect of lawsuits is that you could make any claim you want to, even if it's completely false. And then it's up to the other person to defend themselves legally, which costs a lot of money.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:25Graham Stephan?

  At that point, it really just becomes a battle of, of money of just who has more resources to bully the other person.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's scary.

• 55:34Graham Stephan?

  But I have a feeling if, in the event you get hit with a lawsuit, that you would be able to basically just post on Twitter and I bet someone would be willing to either give you free legal service or fund it.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause I think, like for instance, the Minnesota stuff.

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• 56:20Speaker 01

  It's fraud. Like if someone wants to try and sue me for that, they're gonna have to prove that they're not fraudulent.

• 56:28Jack Selby?

  Did you see that over 40 centers opened up on the same day, actually? Linked to the same inactive shell company?

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's massive fraud in Minnesota. Inside of one building I went to, there was 14 home healthcare businesses. And then inside of another one, there was 22. If you're a business, why would you have all of your competitors in the same business as you? Like, there's no need for the fraud that's taking place in Minnesota.

• 56:56Graham Stephan?

  So what do you think is wrong with traditional journalism?

• 56:59Speaker 01

  One is...

• 57:02Speaker 01

  They go through all this stuff. It's like the same reason why like going to college is almost a disadvantage these days, I feel like, because you're having these professors teach you about marketing. Meanwhile, they've never received 100 million views on a social media page. And that's where our future is, is through social media. And so with the new mainstream, with the mainstream media, I mean, they're defending fraud right now versus they're investigating the person who's found fraud instead of investigating the people that are committing the fraud. Like I, like me and other people like myself, we're the biggest threat to them because we're doing what they can't. In mainstream media, they have all these editorial rooms,

• 57:43Speaker 01

  they have people above that are paying for them. They have all this stuff going on where they just can't go from phone editing to publishing. They have to go to phone editing, editor look at it, make sure it looks good, make sure the higher ups approve of it, and then we publish the video. And then if they speak out against it, we saw people like, for instance, Sage Steele for ESPN, she spoke out against some stuff that happened. They then fired her. So people don't feel like they can speak freely on the internet or on these, on these mainstream platforms.

• 58:18Jack Selby?

  Do you think that mainstream media will end up dying 100%?

• 58:23Speaker 01

  No, not completely, because you still do have, maybe like 100 years from now, yes. But for the next 20 years or so, you'll still see these companies because, one, a lot of these billionaires are operating them so they can just continue to embezzle money into these mainstream news media, like these, these news companies. And so they'll be able to continue to operate. But you'll see people lose less and less trust. I believe after my Minnesota video, the trust for the mainstream media went down to the all time low.

• 58:56Jack Selby?

  When you were making that video, did you uncover other fraud in the process?

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I have part two coming out that we are going to go into a whole separate thing of the fraud that enables the fraud to continue, which is these transportation companies. That allows the fraud to kind of make it look like it's not as fraudulent.

• 59:15Jack Selby?

  So explain this.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you have the home healthcare business, you have the daycares, you have the adult daycares. And like, when did we ever hear about adult daycares? Like, what the heck?

• 59:23Jack Selby?

  What does that, what does that look like?

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a bunch of old people in diapers. I don't know.

• 59:28Jack Selby?

  I guess elderly hair is my guess.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like, why so many of them? But, uh, and why do you like assisted living? So they have all these, they have all these welfare programs and they have autism as well. Autism rates have skyrocketed throughout Minnesota as they've received millions and millions of dollars. Autism rates have significantly went up for some random reason. But, um, so with these transportation companies, they're all linked. It's like a, it's like what keeps the bike chain spinning, the transportation company. Because what these transportations do is these home healthcare companies are able to say, okay, well, our client needs to go to this healthcare provider to receive his treatment. But there's actually no treatment that needs to get, there's no, there's no service that actually needs to be rendered.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  But to get their payment, they're saying, okay, we're going to move this elderly person from the adult daycare center to our healthcare company. And then we're going to charge the transportation vehicle. And then because we charged him, we have proof that somebody showed up to that service. And so then we're going to charge the service and then we're going to send the person back in a transportation vehicle. But they never actually send a person and they just write false claims and false services. But because the transportation companies, that's like their proof of being able to say like, yes, the service was rendered.

• 1:00:48Jack Selby?

  Driving around and there's no one in the car.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you drive around Minnesota, drive around Minneapolis, you'll see tons and tons of vans of Somali men driving these Chrysler vans. They're primarily Chrysler vans for whatever reason, and there's nobody in the vehicle.

• 1:01:03Jack Selby?

  And it's the Somalians doing this one as well?

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Jack, eighty-nine percent of the fraud happening in Minnesota is by Somalians.

• 1:01:11Jack Selby?

  But don't you have any other group of people that are like, you know, doing the same thing?

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Yes, there was fraud being committed as well by white people and they were charged.

• 1:01:22Jack Selby?

  The Somalians weren't?

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  One Somali man was caught for seven million dollars of fraud, charged.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  A judge overturned it after he had been charged for fraud.

• 1:01:35Jack Selby?

  What was his fraud?

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Uh, I think it was adult daycare centers. It was one of the welfare frauds. He was charged for $7 million and the judge went and reversed it.

• 1:01:43Jack Selby?

  Is this just a couple like Somali kingpins that are very clever? That are able to see how to create these fraudulent systems? Or, or what, how, how do you know who's at the top, basically?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Well, that's the problem is it's so big, like the roots are so deep now. Like where you have so many connections. That's why it's so hard. That's why it's been so hard for the FBI to really go in and do what they need to do because it's such a, so much fraud has been happening. Tim Walz has said he's been trying to combat fraud since 2019.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Within six years, a lot of things can happen. A lot of the roots can just keep getting deeper and deeper. More appeal can be brought into the fraud. That's why it's getting, becoming so hard.

• 1:02:23Jack Selby?

  And so at the top level, do you think it's mostly negligence of the people that make the policy? Or do you think that it's cowardice? Or do you think it's like legitimately just people that are not smart?

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Cowardice and it's a huge group of people to get votes. You have upwards of a hundred thousand people where you can go get votes instantaneously.

• 1:02:45Graham Stephan?

  How much of this do you think was started innocently of like, hey, we want to support the community? We, we, we think that if we could help the parents out, give them free access to childcare, they could do better, the kids are gonna like, how much started out as, as purely just, we want to help the community?

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it started out in a good way. By helping refugees at that time come to America. I don't know if like, for instance, like a difference between a migrant and immigrant. One of those words means that they're here temporarily and another one means they're staying here forever. But refugees, I don't know if the plan is ever to take them back to their country. Right? So I think they accepted them. They're coming from war torn country and. They didn't think a lot would happen.

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• 1:06:23Jack Selby?

  So if you were governor for a day, what would you do?

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  I would cut all funding. I'd stop it. I put immediate pause to all funding and say, all right, you guys, we're gonna send out this group. We're gonna get everyone inside this room, and here's the daycares we're gonna go check out. And if they can't answer simple questions, then we're gonna send them over to the federal government. And then from the federal government, they're gonna go and do their investigation. Like, it is so simple to stop the fraud. You literally would just say, all right, let's pause all payments, or let's get all the groups that are receiving money from the government for welfare purposes. Let's go to the autism clinics, let's go to daycares, let's go to the adult daycares, let's go to the home health, uh, let's go to the home healthcare providers, let's go to the transportation vehicle companies, and let's see what's happening. And let's just ask them, hey, can you show us, um, how you guys are operating?

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Do it. It'd be, they could solve it in a week.

• 1:07:13Graham Stephan?

  What do you think is the best anti-fraud measure that you've seen?

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  To show your legitimate business before receiving money. Like, I think what they're doing right now by them freezing all that funding, amazing. Why didn't they do that before? Like, they should show that they're a legit business before they receive the money.

• 1:07:29Jack Selby?

  Who decided to freeze it?

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  The HHS.

• 1:07:33Jack Selby?

  So it was not Tim Walz?

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  Not Tim Walz.

• 1:07:36Jack Selby?

  So in terms of-

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  My favorite new hobby is ray showing Tim Walz on Twitter.

• 1:07:39Jack Selby?

  I see you ray showing everybody on Twitter. That's your new favorite hobby, apparently? What's your Twitter look like?

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm getting pretty good at ray showing people like Tim Walz on Twitter because they're speaking like idiots and they're supporting fraud. And it turns out that the majority of the population doesn't support fraud. And so on Twitter, it's been actually crazy. For instance, just the past few days on Twitter, I put out one tweet. Um, over 200,000 likes on me calling out the mainstream media. And a simple tweet of me saying mainstream media is more mad at me than they are than they are at the fact that billions of your tax dollars are being used for fraudulent business. I am not an enemy of the people. They are. I'm with you. They are against you. Remember that 253,000 people like that tweet. Wow.

• 1:08:29Jack Selby?

  In one day?

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  One day.

• 1:08:31Jack Selby?

  And then in terms of like ratioing, have you had any like?

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  So some persons.

• 1:08:36Jack Selby?

  How does he? Is he just ignoring it?

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Oh, he's been trying to for the video got through over 500 million views and impressions alone on the within the first 72 hours. Tim Walz was posting about his cat at the fire at the at his, uh, at his house.

• 1:08:54Jack Selby?

  What about the mayor? The one that was in cahoots with the Somali guy?

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  I haven't heard anything from him. Nothing. Like all they have to do is just like simply say, all right, we're going to pause fraud. We're going to stop it. Tim Walz just keeps blaming Trump for the fraud. And then you're also seeing people come out like Hassan Piker. He's such a clown, a little commie.

• 1:09:13Jack Selby?

  Have you spoke to Hassan?

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  No, and I'd actually be interested in speaking with these people.

• 1:09:17Jack Selby?

  We've had him on the podcast before twice, actually.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  And I'd be, but the thing is, I don't respect these people because they don't go out and actually go see stuff for themselves. They're literally just talked behind a streaming desk.

• 1:09:27Graham Stephan?

  It would be interesting to go out in the field with Hassan Piker to Minnesota.

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  I would do it.

• 1:09:34Graham Stephan?

  I think it'd be very, but, but the problem now is that every single daycare is going to look legit.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Graham Stephan?

  They're going to throw kids in there and then it's going to be, ah, there we go.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  I knew that was going to happen. And so for instance, Hassan, he retweeted some, so since I've gotten so much attention on X lately, some of the people that are running for reelection in Minnesota have said like, oh, we helped Nick Shirley, which is completely false. I saw this yesterday and I was like, wait, what? And so this person put out this tweet. He, he got 7,000 likes because this candidate said that she had worked and worked with me in this video, which was false. And I simply put, this is completely false. I have no idea who this lady is. She is lying to make herself look good for her campaign. Shame on her. 73,000 likes in the original post got 7,000 likes.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  So I have way more support on my side because how can you defend fraud? You can't defend it. If you watch someone steal a hundred dollars from your grandma, you're just gonna let them walk away.

• 1:10:34Jack Selby?

  What states do you think are the worst for fraud?

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, California is very bad. Minnesota, very bad. New York's gonna become very bad. One of Mondami's things that he ran on was giving free childcare. And now what do we know about these daycare businesses? They're fraudulent. It's a great way to embezzle money into the hands of other people.

• 1:10:54Jack Selby?

  The other thing I'm just curious about is we discussed how crazy your past 72 hours are. You said you've been reached out to by the Vice President, by, you know, Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, by Elon Musk. I'm curious, any other opportunities that have risen from this? I saw you actually just went on ValueTainment, PBD Podcast. Any other thing?

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, a lot of people are trying to get me offers and stuff. But I don't know, I'm not interested in really working for anybody else but myself.

• 1:11:24Jack Selby?

  What do you mean offers? Like, is Fox News coming to you?

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  No, just like people are like, come join in this platform, come get on this thing, come do this. And like, I'm just happy doing my stuff 100% independent.

• 1:11:36Jack Selby?

  And then in terms of the amount of exposure, you said that like you did feel a little unsafe walking through the streets of Minnesota. Anything else, like walking even in an airport? I imagine just your life has been turned upside down. You're getting recognized everywhere. Even when I picked you up from the airport, you were completely disguised. Like, you had on your hoodie, you had your hat on, you had sunglasses on, you like totally, you know, hunched up. What other things have like, just for you as a person, how has life changed?

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's hard because you don't, like, I was getting views on social media before this. So like, I already had the, I already get spotted. And I don't want to act like I'm some crazy famous person, but over the past 72 hours, I was like the most searched person on the internet. Whereas you couldn't escape me from, whether it be the memes on TikTok or the post on X. And so like that exposure in that time when I posted the video the day after Christmas, everyone's on break, they're on their phones. And so the exposure has been crazy. And then the threats and anything like that, for instance, just like getting on the plane to come to leave Minnesota. I was in aisle 10 and within those aisles of me getting on the plane, within those 10 rows, five people came up to me.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Like, just to get to my seat, five people recognized me from those ten aisles.

• 1:12:54Jack Selby?

  And what's the interactions like with those people?

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Uh, positive.

• 1:12:58Jack Selby?

  And never anything like someone screaming at you, or like yelling something nasty?

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Not unless I'm at a protest. But it was a little worrisome at the Minneapolis airport, for instance, because a lot of the workers were Somali. And so I was all covered up and everything, but then I'd look up and then they're looking at me, they're showing their phone to their friend, like, is that the guy? Is that him? And it's like, oh my gosh, get me out of here.

• 1:13:20Jack Selby?

  And what about with your parents?

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:23Jack Selby?

  What's their reaction?

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Like, my mom, she's involved in my channel, like, she's a big char- she's like a character on my channel and everything like that. And so, um, yeah, they're just trying to go after anything they can potentially go after.

• 1:13:36Jack Selby?

  And so what are your plans with the business? I imagine that you started making quite a bit of money from making this video popping off in the way that you have. What do you, what do you, how do you move forward from here?

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, like, the money aspect didn't change from what I had before, because I've always been making money on YouTube these past two years. And, uh, like I said, I just thought this was gonna be a regular upload and I thought I needed to focus on my next video. But when you post a video in the whole entire country, that the media of the country, that is not um, Fox News or Newsmax comes after you. It kind of pushes you away from anything to do with that. Like, they're trying to say, like, they're trying to give reasons for people to kill me.

• 1:14:16Jack Selby?

  Do you seriously worry about being killed like that?

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  I mean, there's constant attacks. And, uh, I've been attacked on live streams and the police had to arrest two people in New York City on a live stream. This is before this happened. They had to arrest two people for attacking me live. People are deranged right now.

• 1:14:33Jack Selby?

  Does it ever make you pause and think, is this worth it if my life is on the line?

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. And so, kind of going back to what Jack was saying, like, where do I go now? So it's like, okay, do I post a YouTube video every single week now? Because I really just can't go out into the street and go make a video like I used to. Like, in Somalia or Minnesota, I had to go out and, uh, have four security guards with me so I could just go film my video. And so, it's kind of like when you see...

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Like for instance Riley Gaines, who spoke out against what was happening to her personally in her life. And it was just something super matter of fact, like super common sense what she was speaking out against. Yet the left came at her so hard and they attacked her so hard to that, to the point where herself, she's, she's her own movement in a way where she can go and talk about what they did because she has that backing of literally people turning on her for having common sense. And so what you just saw with me, just with everybody turning, all the mainstream media and the left coming out and defending fraud. Like my life has been changed over these past 72 hours. And at least for these next few months, I'm like, this is going to be a little harder to do what I gotta do.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  But I'm not going to stop. Like they're not going to stop me. They're not going to fear me away from doing it. I just have to go about it in a different way. But I do have the, I do have an opportunity now to really move it towards something. And I've, which is something I've been wanting to do for a while.

• 1:16:03Jack Selby?

  And what do you think you're going to move it towards? Do you think you're going to do more fraud videos? Do you think you're going to build some sort of a network?

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think fraud's obviously very important. And obviously people are passionate about it, right? Cause no one likes to see their money get stolen. Cause that's what fraud is. It's your dollars, my dollars, their dollars, all getting stolen. And so nobody likes to see it happening, especially when you can go and literally see it with your eyes. So I do have plans on creating some sort of, I don't want to say like a movement in a way, but something where people can be like, okay, I'm a part of this.

• 1:16:37Graham Stephan?

  I would love to see a public tip network or something that is open for everybody to look at, where you could submit anonymous tips for fraud that's going on. Or, you know, hey, we should look into this.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a decentralized dog.

• 1:16:55Graham Stephan?

  I would love that. And then imagine you could type in a zip code. And you could see, hey, these are all the fraud claims in this area. And you know, you take it with a grain of salt, of course, but at least, hey, we could look into some of these things.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  It might be hard because then you'd be like doxing individuals and businesses, like if you don't know. But I do like that idea.

• 1:17:17Jack Selby?

  There already is an IRS tip line.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:17:20Jack Selby?

  Where you have to have, bring forth some sort of an evidence that someone is committing tax fraud. And then you can actually take a percentage of what they claim from that individual. And then on top of that, If they're able to do that from the people they're supposed to be representing or serving, then why can't we do that with them? Like, why can't we detect government fraud?

• 1:17:38Graham Stephan?

  So it's interesting, on the IRS thing, I didn't realize they have to prove more than $2 million of tax revenue that gets collected to receive a payout.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  Is that what it is? That's probably why it's so hard for people to actually go get that false payment.

• 1:17:52Graham Stephan?

  Yes, so it's not like you could just say, hey, you know, so and so isn't paying the taxes. You have to go with receipts and the IRS has to be able to collect $2 million minimum.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Graham Stephan?

  But it makes it, because they don't want to be like, oh, we're not going to spend all these resources tracking down like a missed, you know, $400 payment or something like this.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, because by that time-

• 1:18:13Graham Stephan?

  That's a major-

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  By that time, most likely that money's already gone to Dubai and then it was sent tax-free to some other country. Because that's what the Somalians do in Minnesota. If you go onto YouTube and you can look up this video from 2017, Fox News did a video, I think the local Fox News did a video, where Somalians were bringing in millions of dollars in cash through TSA and they then take it over to Dubai and then they send it off to Somalia. So like, a lot of that money, this is another part that's going to be in my part two videos, I interviewed a man who used to work at TSA in the airport and he dealt with millions of dollars in cash that the Somalians would take through the airport.

• 1:18:49Jack Selby?

  You're going to be Somalia's like number one enemy.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:18:53Jack Selby?

  How much would someone have to pay you to visit Somalia?

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  $9 billion. Get all our money back.

• 1:19:00Jack Selby?

  9 million?

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  9 billion.

• 1:19:01Jack Selby?

  9 billion dollars?

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Because that's what we've given them.

• 1:19:03Jack Selby?

  I mean, that would be extremely entertaining, but also dangerous.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be crazy, right, if I went to Somalia?

• 1:19:10Graham Stephan?

  Well, because we're probably going to post this around the time you're posting your video, is there anything you could tell us about that one?

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  Well, just the fact that, like, in going deep into the transportation companies, none of them existed. We went to all of them. They had, they had transportation companies listed in apartments and they receive-

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Money from the government to go and do these non-emergency transportation.

• 1:19:34Jack Selby?

  Are you seeing any of these people with like a very flashy lifestyle, like fancy cars and nice clothes and things like this?

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  Yes, outside the daycares. There's this one daycare that this is another example of blatant fraud. So this daycare, they closed down because of violations. And then that same day, they reopened underneath a different name and continued to receive money. I went to the daycare, three BMWs and a Range Rover outside. No children.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  It's like, it's like those shows where it's like, how stupid are you to show that you're committing fraud? Why are you driving around? How is our, how is our government-funded daycare receiving three BMWs and a Range Rover outside?

• 1:20:22Jack Selby?

  I mean, those are really good for daycare.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, really good for the kids. I just, they just love the leather seats and.

• 1:20:27Jack Selby?

  What is your dream video to make?

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  Dream video to make? I've always wanted to interview like presidents.

• 1:20:34Jack Selby?

  Oh, so it would just be an interview?

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  Well, that's like a dream video. Mine is to do, like, I really wanted to interview Naibu Kelly in El Salvador.

• 1:20:41Jack Selby?

  Have you spoken to him?

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  I've met him once, I shook his hand.

• 1:20:45Jack Selby?

  Was it brief? Cause I know you made, the first video I saw of you was at the CICOT.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was very, I literally just shook his hand and he just, he was, I was just like in a press pool and I shook his hand and he just. And I've seen Trump, I met Trump in the Oval Office. I gave a speech to Trump, a briefing at the Antifa thing. So that's another thing why I like.

• 1:21:05Jack Selby?

  How did you get that interview?

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  With Trump?

• 1:21:08Jack Selby?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Well, I just, it was interesting because I got invited to the White House for when Naibu Kelly came. El Salvador actually invited me to the White House and I had no idea what was gonna happen. I thought I was just gonna go take photos when they go in to the White House. And I thought that was gonna be it. And they're like, oh, you're gonna be in the, you're gonna go into the Oval. And I didn't know whether or not, they said you're gonna go into the meeting where the president and Naibu are speaking. And I didn't know whether it was gonna be like the Roosevelt Room, the Oval Office. So like, I'm just in this press pool and they just like pushed me up front. And I look up and I just see Trump. He's just like.

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• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  I was like, what is going on? I was, it felt like, and he has like so much makeup on, he kind of, he didn't even really look real. He's just like sitting there like this.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  And then Naib Kellie's just like this. And then Trump just looks at us, gee, he's like, all right, all right, everybody. And he starts speaking. And then they're like, all right, then Trump goes, finishes talking with Naib, he's like, questions? And then everyone just starts yelling like, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President. I'm like, wait, am I gonna ask a question? And so I'm right next to CNN with Caitlin Collins and me and her are battling to get a question off. And finally I just get a question off and you see my hand is like shaking like this. And I asked Trump the question. And that was very cool.

• 1:23:32Graham Stephan?

  What was your question?

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  I asked him like, how essential is it to be sending people to, I think to Secot? Like, how essential is it to be getting these people out of our country?

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Because there are a bunch of, like, we don't want Venezuelan gangsters inside our country. And if Venezuela went and accepted them, send them to SecOp.

• 1:23:51Graham Stephan?

  Were you happy with Trump's response?

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was happy with it. I was just happy to get the question off and not look like a fool. Because you only have one shot to ask a question when you're inside the Oval Office. And I was the first YouTuber ever to document an Oval Office meeting.

• 1:24:05Graham Stephan?

  Now, I'm curious, based on that, you were on the PPD podcast and you put out a tweet and you said, "Hey, for these people, how could I help?" Did any of them reach out?

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, within like an hour after I left, I got like a call from the FBI.

• 1:24:21Graham Stephan?

  How did they get your phone number?

• 1:24:23Jack Selby?

  It's the FBI.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  It's FBI.

• 1:24:25Jack Selby?

  You're on something today. That's crazy.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Jack Selby?

  Yes.

• 1:24:30Graham Stephan?

  They just called, but how do you know it's...

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  Well, it's crazy though, so they called me and I missed the call because I've had my phone on do on disturb. I missed the call and then I could, then I had received so many calls within those 10 minutes that I didn't, I couldn't track back the phone call. So I couldn't get back to them.

• 1:24:48Graham Stephan?

  Wait, so they reached out? Did they leave a voicemail or anything?

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  No, so like you know on the iPhone how now like you can screen a phone call? And so I was in the Uber car with the, I was in the car with the Uber and I was like, well, I don't want to answer the phone. Like with the Uber right there. And so I was like, okay, I'll call them back. And then by the time I had got out of the Uber to then call them back, I couldn't find my phone number.

• 1:25:10Graham Stephan?

  You've got to do another tweet and be like, "At FBI, I missed your phone call. Please call me back and leave a voicemail."

• 1:25:16Jack Selby?

  Yeah, and then put your phone number at the end of the tweet.

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, like right, right now I have over 415 messages that I can't even respond back to.

• 1:25:21Graham Stephan?

  Can I see? Can I just see your phone?

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Graham Stephan?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  Like, I don't even know who's reaching out to me.

• 1:25:34Graham Stephan?

  You were not kidding.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  No, I literally don't know who's reaching out to me because there's a lot of these phone numbers I don't have saved. And so I'm not just going to start responding to people.

• 1:25:41Graham Stephan?

  Wow.

• 1:25:43Jack Selby?

  Oh, nice. You got a text from Andrew Callahan.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:46Jack Selby?

  What do you think about Andrew Callahan?

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  I don't understand why he's kind of gone so left-leaning on a lot of his stuff. But I think he's a good person. He has a good heart.

• 1:25:55Jack Selby?

  He would probably say the same thing to you. I don't understand why he's gone so right-leaning on his stuff.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, he even called me out in one of his videos for being a right-wing YouTuber in Portland when I was literally getting attacked by Antifa. And so I was like, wait, come on, dude. Well, it's interesting. Me and him had lunch because I used to love Channel 5.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  And like All Gas No Brakes, I really liked that, what he was doing. And I thought it was interesting. So he was like one of the people I liked. When I was kind of like getting inspired to do more political, more serious videos. And I had lunch or dinner with him one night when I was in California and we talked and he said he was excited to see what Trump was gonna do. And then I was just kind of confused when I saw that. Like he went like very anti-Trump. And like started just being very anti-Trump.

• 1:26:41Jack Selby?

  What do you think when people call you a right-wing influencer?

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  That's what they're gonna call me because I'm speaking out against... I'm not even speaking out, actually.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  What you've saw from me the past two years has been me just acquiring knowledge about what's happening. Interviewing people and seeing what's happening in the world. Now they have forced me to use the knowledge I've acquired to give my opinion as they've attacked me over the past 72 hours. And people are loving it.

• 1:27:11Jack Selby?

  You also gave a speech to President Trump as well.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:14Jack Selby?

  How did that go? What was the speech about?

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got invited to the roundtable about Antifa. Because in Portland, literally, inside of Portland, there was an entire block where Antifa had essentially took control of. And they started like controlling the traffic, controlling the streets. Like at certain times when they were protesting, they were in over 160-day protest about ICE. And the Portland police did not do anything about it. And so they then invited us to go to this roundtable meeting with Trump. And I had no idea Trump was gonna be there. I had no idea that I was gonna give a speech. They just said like some important people are gonna be there from the cabinet. And you're gonna have the opportunity to be there. And then that morning, when I get to the hotel, they're like, all right, we're gonna hop on a Zoom call. And Caroline Levitt hops on.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  And she says, you guys, you're gonna have the opportunity to kind of talk about your experience with what you've seen. It'll be super brief, like two, three minutes. And just kind of share your experience with the president. I was like, whoa, hold up. We're gonna have to give a speech. And then I wrote my speech like five minutes before I got picked up by the Uber to go to the White House. And it did over fifty million views.

• 1:28:28Jack Selby?

  I saw it. It was a really good speech. What's your favorite meme from this whole thing? Because there have been so many.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  It's a photo of me and it says, my next trick, make Democrats support fraud. And it's a photo of my face. It's pretty funny.

• 1:28:40Graham Stephan?

  What was up with that one lady who was giving the speech? And she said the word fraud and then visibly got upset. And then seemed like at first she was like.

• 1:28:51Jack Selby?

  She said, I understand fraud is bad.

• 1:28:53Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, fraud is bad, but then was like, should I have read that? And I couldn't tell. But then it seemed like she just broke down and started crying and I was confused.

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  Because they're all in on the fraud. She knows fraud's happening, so she openly admitted to fraud.

• 1:29:08Jack Selby?

  She could have also just been misspeaking, like when she said, I know fraud is bad. Like, that's not necessarily her saying, it sounds like it, but like, I know fraud is bad, but we need to afford food. Like, you know what I mean? But it also could be like, I know fraud is bad and that's not what we're engaging in.

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then the next person, a white liberal woman speaks up and she says, she goes in her speech and then she accidentally says, there is fraud. And she freaks out too.

• 1:29:35Graham Stephan?

  So are they given a script?

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  They're all reading a piece of paper.

• 1:29:38Graham Stephan?

  So who's given them the piece of paper to read? And why don't they proofread this before saying it?

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Well, then they went off the record and started speaking without the paper. And they started saying this fraud is bad. And you're seeing like all these, like, white liberal women are their worst enemy. They're supporting people who are stealing from them. They support criminals. That look at them as prey. Like their logic is so bad that they literally have gotten to the point where they support criminals and fraudsters. And that's why fraud's been able to happen because people are so scared to talk about things for what they really are. Like fraud's bad. And if it's happening with 89% of the population inside of Minnesota and every single daycare I go to happens to be Somalians, that's the facts.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  You're not gonna make me just not post my video because it's Somali.

• 1:30:29Graham Stephan?

  We gotta know, for your business, how do you produce your videos?

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just me.

• 1:30:36Graham Stephan?

  It's just you? You edit your own videos?

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, for the long form videos on YouTube, it's just me.

• 1:30:42Graham Stephan?

  And so how do you film it? Like, what do you use to film your videos?

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  So I, I try to film in a, my whole goal is for people to feel like they're inside the video and they're feeling the video for what it really is. So I'm not filming with a huge big camera like this. I'm filming with something that feels real, like with your eye. Sometimes I feel like the big cameras, they can't put like a glossy feel or they put like some contrast in your skin. So I use cameras that are very like, non-professional in a way. And I focus highly on the audio. And I'll either film it or I'll bring somebody like my mom to come and film for me.

• 1:31:16Graham Stephan?

  I think it'd be very interesting if you could go and show how easy it is to open a daycare. I think you should open a daycare.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  I should open a daycare. We should all.

• 1:31:26Graham Stephan?

  That would be funny, actually. For you to open up and then run it like an, as an actual daycare.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:32Graham Stephan?

  That would not help.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  And I promise you guys, I will not block, I will not block out the windows. I'll keep it all fair and clean. I'll have a reception desk, I'll have a brochure to give everybody so they can enroll their child and I'll have the most profitable daycare in all of Minnesota.

• 1:31:45Graham Stephan?

  But I just think before your next expose, go and do the thing that you are exposing before you post the video. So. Oh, that would be interesting. Yeah, you'd actually do the scam before you, yeah, whatever it is. Just to show and document, hey, guys, here's how easy it is. I submitted my paperwork the same day I got approved, the same day I was eligible for $500,000 of funding and I'm just a dude who applied online. Like this is obviously a broken system.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Somebody who lives in Minnesota should do that. But they actually say they're not accepting anymore, I believe. Actually, the licensing website, after I had exposed the Minnesota government, the website where you could see the licensing for all the daycares randomly crashed.

• 1:32:33Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. Well, I'm gonna say, but if you go to, let's say, a state like California, and you show some of the homeless fraud that's going on, and you see, wait a second, these homeless shelters are getting $50,000 a month, and all you have to do is do XYZ, I think it would be in everyone's best interest to you walk them through, here's how you do XYZ, and here's how much funding's available.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  That would be a good idea.

• 1:32:55Graham Stephan?

  Before we post the video.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, I don't live in California. I live in a state where.

• 1:32:59Graham Stephan?

  You could find someone, I'm sure.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Sure, I could find somebody. That's a good idea. Or you could just talk to somebody about how they went about and did it. Who's running the business?

• 1:33:07Graham Stephan?

  Yeah. I think the next one, though, honestly, I'd look at the landlords.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  The landlords?

• 1:33:12Graham Stephan?

  The landlords of these.

• 1:33:13Speaker 01

  Wouldn't you be happy for your landlord and you're receiving automatic money no matter what? Like, that's not like a morally bad issue if you're a landlord, because you're trying to make a profit too.

• 1:33:23Graham Stephan?

  It depends. I think either landlords could be turning a blind eye and just say, hey, listen, they're gonna pay their rent. I don't care. I don't care what they do. I'm oblivious to it. And they could be just ignoring. They could also just be ignorant and say, hey, this looks like a great business. I'm going to accept it. Or they could be complicit and say, hey, yeah, you know, they're running this and I'm gonna cash in on this too.

• 1:33:50Jack Selby?

  What's wrong with that, though? Like, if they're just existing and they're like, hey, these people are willing to pay me. It's my, you know, it's in my interest as a landlord to try to find someone to pay for the space. And then they do it. It's like, it's not like they're the ones that are actually committing the fraud. They're just the person.

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  What would be interesting if, let's just say, like, say it's a family member who owns a business.

• 1:34:08Jack Selby?

  That's exactly.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  That's what would be interesting. But if it's just a random.

• 1:34:12Jack Selby?

  Some random person. What, literally one person is like, hey, I am obtaining this money, you know, amount per month, and I can pay you $5,000 a month. And someone else is like, I can pay you $3,000 a month. You're obviously gonna go with the person that pays you $5,000 a month.

• 1:34:26Graham Stephan?

  I'm just saying, for a lot of commercial landlords, they do a decent amount of due diligence on who the tenant is and their ability to pay their rent. And you don't want to have an issue where a tenant stops paying, you have an eviction. Any one of these things could could throw a wrench in the entire property or gets tied up in litigation. You don't want that. So I'm just saying, there's a level of due diligence the landlords have to go under to take a tenant like this. And when there are so many daycares around, I'm just saying, it's something to look at.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  That's like a problem with the government because they've enabled it to happen for so long. They've allowed, Tim Watt said he's expanding daycares. He said that, and so if you're a landlord, you're probably stoked to have a business that's not, a building that's not been occupied. They're going to come in and rent for $10,000 or whatever amount of money it is, you're stoked.

• 1:35:13Graham Stephan?

  Yeah, it could be, it could be totally, it's a whole system.

• 1:35:16Speaker 01

  Totally innocent.

• 1:35:16Graham Stephan?

  Because these daycares are industrialized businesses. They're not just like daycares. I'm just saying, look at who, look at who owns the businesses, who owns the real estate. There could be something there, maybe not. There might be.

• 1:35:31Jack Selby?

  What is your mission if you were to just say?

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, now my journalism is turning into actual change. We've never seen something like this where after a video, within hours, the government launches full on investigations into a city about fraud. There was some investigations going on beforehand, however, multiple new investigations took place. You saw people going door to door, HSI, Homeland Security started going door to door to some daycares to see what was happening to these Somali ran businesses. Like you've never seen that before. So what I'm seeing now is that my journalism can actually create real change. I'm here to help people and to show people what's happening for things as they really are and to show them the reality of things.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  None of us are perfect, but at the end of the day, the whole goal is to leave the world a better place than we left, than we received it and to create actual change.

• 1:36:25Jack Selby?

  Where does that passion come from? Why does it matter so much to you?

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  I think God uses all of us in different aspects. The experiences I had when I was in high school have propelled me to where I'm at now. The experiences I had doing door-to-door sales in Florida, selling pest control, allowed me to have conversations that I'm able to have now. And the opportunities I had the past two years of going around, talking to people, that's propelled me to where I'm at now. My acquiring knowledge phase, I like to call it, where I just soaked in as much knowledge as I could, is now allowing me to give more of my opinion to people. And like I said, not everything's perfect. People might disagree with some things I have to say, but I'm just trying to point out stuff in a way that's as common sense as possible.

• 1:37:14Jack Selby?

  Nick, thank you so much for carving out the time to come on the podcast. We really, really appreciate it. I imagine, like you, you know, we mentioned earlier, your schedule is just insane right now, so we really appreciate it.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been great.

• 1:37:24Graham Stephan?

  And coming out on New Year's Day. New Year's Eve flying in to come hang with us, film with us on New Year's Day is really cool.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  My biggest priority is to serve the people that are watching me. So by me coming on here, I hope new people are also become interested in what's happening in the country. Like, I work for the people that watch my, if you watch my videos, that give me views that allow me to continue what I'm doing. So I'm not here as a, somebody who's just trying to get views at this point. I've got them already. Now I'm here to serve people.

• 1:37:59Jack Selby?

  So if you're to provide a call to action for some people out there, they wanna see more of you, or they wanna come support you, what can they do?

• 1:38:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, the most important thing is just to follow me on all platforms, Nick Shirley, and just follow me.

• 1:38:10Jack Selby?

  All of that stuff will be linked down below. You're also selling this merch.

• 1:38:13Graham Stephan?

  We got it. I like that.

• 1:38:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of people need to be leering a lot more this year. So hopefully, a lot of people are leering, and they're not opening up daycares and can't even spell the word "learning" right. So we're gonna make the world a better place this year.

• 1:38:26Jack Selby?

  Thanks so much for watching, guys. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Till next time.

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  See ya.

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