Ballpark Food Debate, Masters Recap & Troy Aikman on NFL QB Play, Drafting Mendoza & More | Ep 187

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by AT&T! Today, we’ve got a look at some of the absurd foods hitting America’s Ballparks, a LIVE (pre-taped) Outta the House recap from Jason and Travis’s time at The Masters, and an incredible conversation with NFL Hall of Famer, Troy Aikman. Troy and the guys discuss everything from his first impressions of Jason as a co-worker, his path to the broadcast booth, what Troy thinks of the current crop of young QBs, whether Mendoza can be a franchise QB, the biggest athletic freak he ever played with, and how the Eagles welcomed him to the NFL Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Send something to the New Heights Mailbox. Don’t be weird though. C/O New Heights Productions 135 E OLIVE AVE, BURBANK, CA 91502 Support the show: AT&T: When the Connection Matters, it has to be AT&T. Visit http://att.com/connecttochange to learn more. AMERICAN EXPRESS: With premium benefits and award-winning service, there’s nothing like Platinum. Dedicated Card Member entrances are available at select stadiums and arenas. Terms apply. Learn more at https://go.amex/withplatinum AMAZON: Shop Amazon-and save on essentials, save the everyday! MICHAEL: Experience the story of a legend. Only in theaters & IMAX April 24. Get Tickets Now. LIQUID IV: Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to https://www.liquid-iv.com/ and get 20% off your first order with code NEWHEIGHTS at checkout. ALLSTATE: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  The wrongs we must right, the fights we must win, the future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 0:20Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our partner Royal Caribbean. Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 0:47Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 1:04Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  I love a water park.

• 1:07Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship, not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  They've also got Playmaker, sports bar, and arcade. So that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 1:25Travis Kelce?

  All right, Captain, get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 1:36Travis Kelce?

  We love the wedge back in the day, man. Get the big boys out there, full-on collisions. Like, why change that? That's the start of the game right there. I get to see some action.

• 1:46Speaker 03

  The wedge. I haven't heard the wedge.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  I was a wedge buster in college. Before I started, I was running down in knee braces. And they said, Jason, just take out this wedge. No joke. UCF had a really good kickoff. They're like, hey, guys, just go down there and take the wedge out. We go down there, we blow this four-man wedge up, it goes 106 yards to the house. Not the start.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  I would have loved to have seen him not only run down the field, but run down the field in knee braces.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:16Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wondery show brought to you by AT&T, the best service provider there is. You better believe it. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. It's my big brother, Jason Kelce, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Heights and shout out to the University of Cincinnati, as we are alum from there. I did get a degree. I know a lot of you won't believe that, even Jason, but I do. And make sure you subscribe on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for funk list throughout the week. Jason, tell the people what we have coming up for this week's episode.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  We got another great episode for you. 92%ers, we're gonna get out of the house with Trav at the Guardians home opener. We're also gonna get to the first ever onsite edition of Out of the House at the Masters. And Hall of Famer Troy Aikman is here. That's right. The one and only. The best. Troy is incredible and he's great in this conversation. You guys are gonna really wanna stick around for that. And before we do get into that, we are gonna get into the, some of that new news.

• 3:19Travis Kelce?

  New news coming in hot.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  New news is brought to you by American Express. Travis made his way back home to Cleveland for the Guards' home opener last week. He saw Slider. Hey, is he still called Slider? Or it is Slider?

• 3:36Travis Kelce?

  Don't even go down this road, Jason. Yeah, I saw Slider. I saw Slider, man. I got to see everybody over there at Progressive Field, man, over there at what we call Jacobs Field. Got to be a part of the Guards' home opener as we took the game 4-1, man.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 3:53Travis Kelce?

  You know, it's just something about getting my feet on the ground in Cleveland just energizes me, man.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  You got those nice loafers on.

• 4:00Travis Kelce?

  You like those things, man?

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Did you get a look at any of the absurd food? The MLB has been coming out with a bunch of absurdly crazy items all across the country.

• 4:12Travis Kelce?

  I was just catching up with friends in the suite and just watching the game. I really didn't get outside, but we had some good, we had some good food in the suite for sure. We got some wings.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  I was about to say, what is your ballpark food of choice since you're not a hot dog person?

• 4:24Travis Kelce?

  I'll eat a dog at a, I'll eat a ballpark dog.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Time out. You have said on the show and to me for many years that you do not eat hot dogs or tubular meats of any kind. So now you're telling me.

• 4:37Travis Kelce?

  One exception.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  You know what? I'm not gonna lie. This makes sense.

• 4:40Travis Kelce?

  Ballpark dog, man.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  It's a special, it's a special.

• 4:43Travis Kelce?

  It's the nostalgia. I'll sacrifice my ick for the fact of how it's made and how it smells. And I'll just, I'll enjoy a ballpark dog, man. I don't know what it is about being at the ballpark that I need a dog with some ketchup on it and bang, bang, boom. I'm not gonna eat more than one. No.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  You're not putting mustard on a hot dog. That's the one condiment you have to have on it.

• 5:11Travis Kelce?

  That's a lie. Whoever told you that is fucking idiot.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  I disagree. I think you must have, well, yeah, listen, you can eat it however you want, but that's the one condiment I have to have. Must, you don't like mustard on a hot dog?

• 5:21Travis Kelce?

  You could do like mustard in like a sauce or like in like a dry rub that the meat and like the other parts of the food like hide the taste of in the like the melted crayon texture that is mustard.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Melted crayon texture. What about sauerkraut?

• 5:40Travis Kelce?

  No chance. Again, again, if it's hidden in like a Reuben, like a, like a Reuben sandwich.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:48Travis Kelce?

  Or like a corned beef sandwich, maybe the sourness could get a little too pungent.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  We should just like review all these crazy foods that have gone. Did you see this one over? I'm, I'm gonna go to a ball, a Diamondbacks game this year solely to try this ice cream, peanut butter sandwich, whipped cream, crackerjack, Kit Kat concoction.

• 6:09Travis Kelce?

  That thing is fucking insane.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Does that not look delicious? By the way, that's a nut of butter, right?

• 6:16Travis Kelce?

  That's not a butter.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Peanut butter sandwich.

• 6:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it's a nut of butter. Gosh, did the Kelsey household go through our fair share of nut of butters, dude. Holy shit.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:27Speaker 04

  Do you want to see some of the weird shit they've got out there real quick? Get, get the Kelsey Rose read on it? Now I'm getting some head shakes. You don't want to see the mini dessert chicken bucket at the Yankees game?

• 6:36Speaker 02

  I think they're pretty good. They're pretty cool.

• 6:38Travis Kelce?

  I'm not gonna be a downer here. Let's see it, Brandon. Who else we got?

• 6:40Speaker 04

  You want to see a mini dessert chicken bucket? There we go.

• 6:43Travis Kelce?

  Dessert?

• 6:44Speaker 02

  What is this called?

• 6:45Speaker 04

  It's a drumstick shaped ice cream with a chocolate covered cookie bone center. A floating coating of white chocolate and candied corn flakes serve in a souvenir mini chicken bucket.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  What is the point of making it look like chicken?

• 6:58Speaker 04

  It looks like chicken. I think we just got there.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  I'm not a big fan of foods impersonating other foods.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  You're out on the chick.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  I'm out on the chicken sandwich, ice cream sandwich thing. Just give me a fucking ice cream sandwich. I don't need to look like a chicken drumstick. Who are we fooling here? What are we doing it for? I would make sense if it was the New York chickens. Then I'd be like, oh, okay. They're doing something that's like a theme of like, what is the?

• 7:20Speaker 04

  New York chickens have a chicken bucket.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Yes, but I don't, I don't understand this at all.

• 7:25Travis Kelce?

  Is it, is it the drumstick flavoring, like the, the, the classic like drumstick that we all know? That we get from like the grocery store?

• 7:35Speaker 04

  It's just covered with candied corn flakes to make it look like it's fried chicken. But I'm assuming it's probably like vanilla ice cream with a chocolate covered cookie bone center, which I don't.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  I'm out on this one. I've seen a lot of them.

• 7:47Travis Kelce?

  This doesn't make any sense at all. There has to be, there has to be something that's making sense to this. There's no way somebody was just like, all right, here, check this out, guys. A drumstick.

• 7:58Speaker 04

  I think that's how they do it. I think we're overthinking this.

• 8:02Travis Kelce?

  There's no way.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  I don't know where the chicken comes in to like, it's not chicken.

• 8:09Travis Kelce?

  Why didn't, why didn't they?

• 8:10Speaker 02

  Chicken isn't even known as being like a ballpark food.

• 8:13Travis Kelce?

  Exactly. Why didn't they just make it like a baseball bat?

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Like make.

• 8:16Travis Kelce?

  You know what I mean? Just make it like a baseball bat sandwich. Why the fuck?

• 8:20Speaker 04

  You guys didn't want to do this segment and now here we go.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Is this like KFC like was like, hey, we can't get the fried chicken in the stadium. But why don't you make ice cream look like fried chicken? And I'm like, oh yeah, sure. We'll do that for no fucking reason. All right, let's skip to the next one.

• 8:35Travis Kelce?

  Next.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  This one's, this one's made us mad. We're.

• 8:38Travis Kelce?

  I'll take the bucket. I'll take the bucket. No chicken.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  Red Sox are doing lobster poutine at Fenway Park this year. The ballpark food features crispy fries, lobster meat, clam chowder, and crispy bacon, all served in a custom lobster boat.

• 8:52Travis Kelce?

  Why are we doing chowder? Baseball is a fucking summer sport. Chowder is not a summer fucking food cuisine, whatever.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  I don't like, I don't like the idea of how, where that chowder's been stored. I don't like the idea of.

• 9:05Travis Kelce?

  Where is it? At the bottom? Is that?

• 9:07Speaker 04

  I like the lobster though. I like this.

• 9:09Travis Kelce?

  No, that's what I'm saying.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  I like the receptacle. I like, I like the lobster. I like everything except the bacon. I have no idea why bacon is included in this and what the purpose is. It's not going to add much.

• 9:22Travis Kelce?

  Give it a little salty dish, a little salty crud.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  It's got chowder in it. It's salty as crap. I do think if it's hot, I would question the integrity of that chowder, but I would still give it a go.

• 9:35Travis Kelce?

  The integrity of the chowder.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Seafood and heat usually doesn't pair well, especially, especially shellfish.

• 9:42Travis Kelce?

  Fucking 95 degree day at the ballpark. I'm out.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  I'm gonna try any of these if you'll have me, but.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  I will not try the chicken jump stick. I'm boycotting the chicken jump stick.

• 9:52Travis Kelce?

  Well, a Yankees fan or somebody in the Yankees organization, please tell us how this came to be.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  I will say this, they did give us a great moment. I'm gonna share this. Uh, there was a man who constructed a chicken bucket hat tower.

• 10:05Travis Kelce?

  See, that's the thing. I like the bucket.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  I'm big into this. I'm big into the bucket. Yeah. I fuck with any kind of bucket. KFC brought to you by Travis Kelce. I mean, if that's not next year's, brother, I'd assign you a giant ad deal. I'm fucking with the bucket. Travis Kelce.

• 10:20Travis Kelce?

  I'm fucking with it. Colonel Sanders, hit me up.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Buckets might be the most underrated piece of equipment that any man can own or utilize. I think it's, it's, you can stack them. You can carry anything you want in them pretty much. I mean, it's a very useful receptacle, but the fact that we're making chickens is, it just doesn't make any sense. I can't get past it.

• 10:41Travis Kelce?

  They had the buckets already ordered and they didn't know what to put in them. I'm, I'm drawing the conclusions. They're like, what goes in a bucket? Chicken.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  They had a new fried chicken chain that was going into the stadium and then they had to back out on their contract, but they had already bought all the chicken buckets.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  Cost of cooking oil went way up and they said, I don't know if I'm gonna make an ice cream.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  That's the only thing that makes sense.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  We've solved the mystery. All right, I'm gonna show you a couple more. The Rangers have revealed a wearable nacho rally sombrero. The food vessel contains chip cheese, lettuce, jalapeno, kumquats, and mole.

• 11:14Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Is this real? Is this real?

• 11:18Speaker 04

  Yes, this is real. The photo's incredible.

• 11:26Speaker 04

  All right, what do we think of the not the rally sombrero?

• 11:29Travis Kelce?

  I'm kinda into it. Outside the beans, I'm kinda into it.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  I think it's ridiculous.

• 11:35Travis Kelce?

  Oh, no, it's beyond ridiculous. Yes, but I mean, it's kinda. I fucking love nachos at a game. I love nachos at a game.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  Imagine trying to wear that and utilize it like.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  You're dumping that on your neighbors. You're dumping that on the seat next to you.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Everywhere.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  I think it's hilarious.

• 11:51Speaker 04

  You have to go to the bathroom with that on your head.

• 11:55Travis Kelce?

  Can't look down. Don't look down.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  Don't look down, don't look down.

• 12:00Travis Kelce?

  Don't look down.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  I like the idea of sombreros. I just don't know that nachos was the best choice.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  What's the messiest food item that we can combine with a place that you can't access?

• 12:11Travis Kelce?

  You can't stand up and get excited.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  They should have just made like Pete, like pretzel sombreros.

• 12:16Travis Kelce?

  They should have made little baby.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Take pieces off and dip it in cheese or something like that, but like.

• 12:20Travis Kelce?

  The sombreros shouldn't be large scale enough to where you could put it on your head. It should just be like the, like the old ice cream cut, uh, batter's helmets. You know, those little small ones. They should have just made a little tiny sombrero like that in the size of where you would always get the nachos. You know, you know what I mean? Like typically the size that you get is just like a four by four, five by five. You can hold it with one hand, have a beer on the other hand. Like they should have made a sombrero that size. This is absolutely ridiculous.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  What's interesting about this item is that it probably is the only food item ever in a ballpark where the person buying it is the one not utilizing it. And in fact, probably putting themselves at the most risk of. Things going badly, right? Like the person wearing these nachos is going to end up eating the least amount of these nachos. The people behind them and to the right and left of them, like you're, this is a very selfless maneuver. If you're buying the, the sombrero nacho hat.

• 13:15Speaker 04

  You're getting this for the table.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  You're bringing the party for everybody else.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:18Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious, man.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  While also putting yourself most at risk.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Just hot cheese sit on your head. All right. All right. All right.

• 13:25Travis Kelce?

  I went to a guards game right after college and we're sitting on top of like that baby monster on left field underneath the screen. And there's probably 10, 15 of the homies that were all up there getting hammered and having a fucking blast. And we go to get hot dogs and we're like, I mean, how many, how many hot dogs can we get? And they're like, well, we can make as many as you want. We're like, all right, everybody gets like three, four hot dogs. We end up with a fucking crate full of hot dogs to carry them back to the, to the seats. And my guys, I think it was Steve Bigak, my guy, Steve Bigak has it over his head as he's walking

• 14:05Travis Kelce?

  up and all the gods see him and start fucking going nuts like, yeah, like he was like the hero of the day. And I think that's what this fucking big ass sombrero reminds me of is like, you, you bring this back to the home. You're just like, let's fucking go.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  You're down a run and this rally sombrero hits. I think this is going to be, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

• 14:28Travis Kelce?

  Absolutely hilarious.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  Last one Phillies, the Schwab's sundae. It is a mini helmet filled with soft serve ice cream topped with a funnel cake fried strawberry uncrustable, fresh strawberry sauce and fruity cereal pieces.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  I am so in on everything outside of the fruity pebbles cereal. To be honest with you, I'm not a big fruity pebbles person.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  It's just sprinkling.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  I know, I know, but I, I'm going to try it. Don't get me wrong. I'll, I'll, I'll get the full report. I'm a big fan of a helmet ice cream.

• 15:00Travis Kelce?

  I love strawberries. I don't know what it is about strawberry sauce.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Like strawberry uncrustable?

• 15:06Travis Kelce?

  No, strawberry sauce. It says fresh strawberry sauce, like the drizzle over. I don't know what it is about that. It makes me like, it gives me like the ick, like the fucking.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  I'm in on that.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  Strawberry?

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Too sweet?

• 15:22Travis Kelce?

  No, it's just that I think it's the texture of it. It's like, it's like.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Texture too syrupy?

• 15:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it's like that red syrupy.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  It doesn't look like there's a lot.

• 15:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I don't know what it is. I don't love it. But I love everything else about this and I'm taking that souvenir home. And Ohio.

• 15:37Speaker 04

  Deep fried and crustable.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  I was in when they, when I read funnel cake fried strawberry and crustable. I mean, that's the only thing I need to hear. I'm gonna try this now.

• 15:45Speaker 04

  Dude, fried and crustable is gonna be incredible.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  All right, that's ballpark food.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  It's called a shorobomb, so I'm gonna give it a go.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  Great name.

• 15:52Travis Kelce?

  Great player, great name. All right, nah, that does have a new news brought to you by American Express.

• 16:00Speaker 02

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• 16:04Travis Kelce?

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• 16:21Travis Kelce?

  All right, Jason, I got a question. If you could play Augusta National with any three people, dead, alive, who's your dream foursome?

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Tiger Woods.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Fred Couples.

• 16:33Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  And, and I gotta say Jim Nance now, because I heard he does commentary for people that are playing.

• 16:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, need that.

• 16:40Speaker 02

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• 16:50Travis Kelce?

  Because when the connection matters, it has to be AT&T.

• 16:55Speaker 02

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• 17:01Speaker 02

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• 17:03Travis Kelce?

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• 17:09Speaker 02

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• 17:18Travis Kelce?

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• 17:28Speaker 02

  That's right. It's the kind of thing that makes a regular night out feel like the event of the year.

• 17:32Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, a little FOMO, forget about it.

• 17:35Speaker 02

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• 17:49Travis Kelce?

  From the moment you get to your seats to every play that follows, you know you're experiencing more than just the game. For me, that's a win.

• 17:57Speaker 02

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• 18:01Travis Kelce?

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• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, baby.

• 18:13Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 18:14Speaker 02

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• 18:23Travis Kelce?

  And, oh yeah, that smoke detector been beeping since 3 a.m. because you're out of batteries.

• 18:30Speaker 02

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• 18:36Travis Kelce?

  Everything you need, all in one place. So you're not running around to five different stores all day.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're talking paper towels, snacks, cleaning supplies, whatever keeps your day moving.

• 18:48Travis Kelce?

  Amazon has your back with the prices you can count on. So you feel confident your money is well spent. No hassle, no stress.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Shop Amazon and save on essentials. Save the everyday. All right, the last thing before we get to Troy, we gotta get to this out of the house from this past week at the Masters. We're currently filming this while we're in the house, so we're gonna toss to our own selves out of the house. This Masters edition of Out of the House is brought to you by AT&T.

• 19:18Travis Kelce?

  Oh, thanks, guys. Appreciate you sending it to us down here in Augusta.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  I've been down here since Tuesday.

• 19:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I just got down here yesterday.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 19:26Travis Kelce?

  Saw Jason up at the, uh, up at the course, had a few crow's nests, had a few azaleas.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:33Travis Kelce?

  Saw a few azaleas, saw a few good shots. We're out here in the, uh, the front of the house that we, uh, that we're renting down here and

• 19:41Speaker 02

  It's gorgeous.

• 19:42Travis Kelce?

  Saying hello to all the patrons outside of the course and gonna head up there for another fun day.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 19:47Travis Kelce?

  How was the part three?

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Part three was great. I don't know that I helped Akshay out at all. I actually do think I gave him a good read. He told me it was a good read. So I will take it. Lot of fun, lot of families, patrons are all just looking to have a good time. It's way more relaxed day than the actual tournament.

• 20:02Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  And it's very unique in the way that like no other major especially, but really no other PGA event has something like that the day before you do it.

• 20:11Travis Kelce?

  This is

• 20:11Speaker 02

  You have pro ams in the other events, but this thing was so unique and special in the way that their families are incorporated into it. That was my first time being a part of it. And it's just another example of, I think Augusta National just setting the example and the tone of like what golf is, right?

• 20:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 02

  No other sport, do you partake in as much with your families, whether you belong to a club, whether you play with your kids, it's just, uh, I think it's something that really matches up well.

• 20:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  And to do that right before the biggest tournament in golf, uh, is pretty remarkable. It's also not mandatory. So those guys sign up to do that.

• 20:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  They could be hitting balls, they could be getting more reps.

• 20:51Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, but it's a part of the show. It's a part of the fun, it's part, the part of the excitement of the week and

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Well, I think it's an acknowledgement that this thing is bigger than themselves.

• 20:59Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Right? It's an acknowledgement that the history to this. Our families are gonna be included in it, all of it. They really embrace it. So I think it was it was awesome to be there and to have a lot of fun with those guys.

• 21:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. The one thing about this tournament is that it's it's more than just a golf event. It's like you don't necessarily have to be in the golf. You're gonna see some amazing shots of the best players in the world. But it's an event that anybody can enjoy because of how beautiful the landscape is because of everything that goes into what that course is. I mean, you have different houses and places you can go while you're there. And you just get a full experience like none other. And it's why it's one of the best events in sports.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  The cool part about being there is that you're on these grounds that have been there and this tournament has been being played since 1934. The course was carved out and just feels like it was made to be a golf course. You don't have your phones. There's no digital scoreboard. Everything's manually being done. It feels

• 22:00Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there's no phones and understanding where the the match is. You know, because you don't know what a guy's got going on. Three holes over and whether they're making a push or they're

• 22:13Speaker 02

  There's a level of mystery to it.

• 22:14Travis Kelce?

  Throwing it all away, yeah.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  You're there and you're trying to figure out, where's the scoreboard? Oh, he just Freddie just got a quadruple, a double. What was it? A quadruple bogey or four? Like, what the heck happened? And so it's there's this excitement in the fact that you don't really know what's happening when you're there. The way the grounds are handled, the way the faculty, the workers, everything's done there is just done at an insane level.

• 22:37Travis Kelce?

  I gotta give a

• 22:38Speaker 02

  From the course management.

• 22:39Travis Kelce?

  To the workers and everybody that's really putting this thing on and making this thing go. They they make it one of the cleanest places I've ever been, especially on a golf course, man.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  They do such a great job. Everybody says it's kind of like the Disney World of golf. They they

• 22:53Travis Kelce?

  Definitely, I can see that.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  All the dirty work kind of happens in a way that you don't ever see. So everything looks pristine. The way they treat everybody, the way everybody treats you, whether it's the patrons, the workers, everybody's just there to have fun. It's an awesome time. They've somehow kept these prices down. I mean, the pimento cheese sandwich was a buck fifty. I think a bottle of water is two dollars.

• 23:12Travis Kelce?

  They're not giving that thing out for free?

• 23:13Speaker 02

  If you have Berkman's passes, it's it's for free after you pay for however many thousands of dollars for the ticket. I don't know how that works. But no, it they've They could jack those prices up.

• 23:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  You go into an NFL stadium, you're paying, what, like eight dollars for a beer?

• 23:31Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, but those are premium beers.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  You're an asshole.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  But it was.

• 23:37Travis Kelce?

  What was your favorite shot?

• 23:38Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  We saw, I'm trying to think of, my favorite hole.

• 23:45Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Is 13. I love 13.

• 23:49Travis Kelce?

  Par five.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  The par five, bend around the corner.

• 23:52Travis Kelce?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Then you gotta play over.

• 23:54Travis Kelce?

  Dogleg.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Raise Creek.

• 23:55Travis Kelce?

  Yep. Okay, Raise Creek. You know the creeks?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  I think it's Raise Creek. Um, and you gotta make a decision on whether you want to go for it. You got a long second shot, approach shot, are you gonna lay up and pitch in?

• 24:08Travis Kelce?

  If you ever got to play it, what would you do?

• 24:10Speaker 02

  What would I do? I'm going for it.

• 24:12Travis Kelce?

  You're going for it?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  I'm not trying to set a score. I'm trying to have a story. I'm trying to turn the corner and everything.

• 24:17Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, uh, that hole's awesome. I also, I just like the par fives, honestly. Par fives and par threes are the most fun ones to tee up. Because you're gonna see somebody throw a dart at one of the par threes, like 16, or two coming down the hill.

• 24:33Travis Kelce?

  That's a fun one, yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you see scoring. You're gonna see somebody go for an eagle. You're gonna see birdies, like, there's a lot of action, I feel like, on the par fives and threes. So, those are the ones I like to post up at.

• 24:44Travis Kelce?

  You think Rory's running away with this thing, or what?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  I mean, he's winning by six strokes right now.

• 24:49Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  So.

• 24:50Travis Kelce?

  Sounds about right.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  For those of you that know, no, it is Saturday morning. The cut has just been made, and Rory is winning by six strokes. He is gonna be potentially the first person to repeat as Masters champion since Tiger Woods did it in 2001 or two? It was either 2000, 2001, or it was 2001, 2002. Either way, he would be the fourth person ever to be back-to-back Masters champions.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  I think that'd be awesome. Another guy that's up there right now, Justin Rose. I got to see him when the US Open in Philly in 2014.

• 25:21Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Awesome dude. I would.

• 25:23Travis Kelce?

  I watched him in Spieth and Koepka.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:25Travis Kelce?

  On the par three and then tee off. And man, it's just crazy when you see these, these pros tee off with the driver, man.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:33Travis Kelce?

  I mean, the sound, the, not only the sound of the ball, the club hitting the ball, but the swing.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. The placement and how tight it is.

• 25:41Travis Kelce?

  Velocity it comes off, it's crazy.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  How tight these, these, some of these shots they have to hit, even on one. One is just a par four up the hill, but that bunker on the right, you got like a 15 yard landing strip, really that you're trying to hit.

• 25:57Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  If you don't get it in there, you could be in the trees on the straw on the left side and you can't reach the green. It's watching these guys navigate how precise they are with all the shots. Uh, it's just a blast to see in person.

• 26:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  When you can see the ball, that thing skywracks off that face. So you gotta have some UV protection to try and see it. Um, but yeah, what was your favorite thing you ate?

• 26:23Travis Kelce?

  Favorite thing I ate?

• 26:24Speaker 02

  You're, I know you're a big, uh, egg salad guy.

• 26:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, because who doesn't love mayonnaise mixed with eggs, thrown on some white bread? I actually used to love egg salad. Mom used to make it. I don't know what it was. Once I found out that she was just like, I walked in the kitchen at the wrong time.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Please don't do the sound effect.

• 26:47Travis Kelce?

  But mom, you made the best egg salad sandwich. Um, I'm going to be bougie and stay. There's a fried chicken in the Berkman's place that is to die for.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  I didn't get the fried chicken. I got the pizza in Berkman's.

• 26:58Travis Kelce?

  How was that?

• 26:58Speaker 02

  So for those of you that know Berkman's place is another tier.

• 27:02Travis Kelce?

  Are we allowed to talk about Berkman's?

• 27:04Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 27:05Travis Kelce?

  Are we even allowed to be sitting here doing?

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Probably not. We're going to get banned for life, I'm sure. Uh, I hope not because it's an incredible experience. I.

• 27:14Travis Kelce?

  Well, you can watch the, we can actually watch the tournament better.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  I mean, listen, I like watching on Sunday personally. Uh, all right. Pimento cheese and egg salad combination was my favorite.

• 27:25Travis Kelce?

  Combo?

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Dude, it's called the pomego. I found that out this week.

• 27:29Travis Kelce?

  That is.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  It's a lot. I don't think texture wise, you would be.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  It's, it's pretty darn good. Uh, there was also another combo people were saying, the pimento and the barbecue. To me, that was too many flavors happening. It was overkill. Pimento and the chicken, classic chicken, grilled chicken sandwich.

• 27:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  That was good, but the pomego is my favorite combo of it. Uh, the ice cream peach sandwich.

• 27:59Travis Kelce?

  I'm glad you tried all this because I didn't.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  I was here longer.

• 28:02Travis Kelce?

  I was trying to watch some golf.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  They were also having me do it as a part of the broadcast, so I didn't really have a choice. Um, it was all delicious. That's it. Yeah.

• 28:11Travis Kelce?

  All I got around to.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was.

• 28:13Travis Kelce?

  You see Nance, you see Daley?

• 28:14Speaker 02

  I didn't see either of them.

• 28:16Travis Kelce?

  Me neither. I'm hoping I can maybe find Nance today and.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  We called in the top dog.

• 28:21Travis Kelce?

  Who knows if, uh, old John Daley's still over there.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  He is. He, he's there right now, actually. We called top dog yesterday when we left the course to see if he was still there. And he had just left. Uh, but he is there this morning and he'll be there this morning, uh, Sunday as well, I believe.

• 28:38Travis Kelce?

  Interesting.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  So, yeah, for those of you that have never been, it's awesome. It's everything you've heard about. Uh, there's some of the best golfers in the world. Uh, the hospitality, the way it's run is second to none. The tradition to it, the, the, the history that's happened there. All of these gnomes, there's gnomes all over the place. Everybody's getting a gnome.

• 28:59Travis Kelce?

  Gotta get my hands on these.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's the, the merch bag and that's where they get you. It's a dollar fifty sandwich, but you're going to go into that merch store and spend some cash for sure. Uh, but you love it. I don't know the way it was for you, but like the moment people find out you're coming. You know, I got my barber hit me up. Hey, oh, can I get a hat? Can you give me this? So it's a, it's an experience, uh, like none other, a tradition like no other. I don't know if we want to keep stealing Jim's lines, but.

• 29:30Travis Kelce?

  I mean, Jim, we're stealing your lines. We love you. That's how good your lines are.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 29:35Travis Kelce?

  But we'll give you the nod.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Imitation is.

• 29:37Travis Kelce?

  We'll cite our sources.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. All right. That's it from us down here at Augusta, Georgia.

• 29:44Travis Kelce?

  A little out of the house.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  We'll see how it, the rest of it tees up this weekend.

• 29:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  How it shapes up. That's all I got.

• 29:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's out of the house. See you guys. How about that? That's our segment. We don't know what that looks like yet, but hopefully it looks like we're having a great fucking time.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  Once again, that master's edition of out of the house is brought to you by AT&T.

• 30:04Travis Kelce?

  Let's get to our conversation with the legendary Hall of Famer Troy Aikman. This conversation is brought to you by Amazon, one of our favorites.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Our guest today is six foot four quarterback from UCLA. He was the number one pick in the 1989 draft. He's a six time Pro Bowler, three time Super Bowl champion, 1993 Super Bowl MVP.

• 30:27Travis Kelce?

  Yes, sir.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  And a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He's also the 1983 Oklahoma High School state typing champion. I did not know that. He's been in the broadcast booth for 25 years. He's also my coworker on Monday Night Football. Please, 92% of us, welcome to the show, Mr. Troy Aikman.

• 30:48Travis Kelce?

  Let's go.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, what a best intro ever.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  I'm trying, I'm trying. That's easy. It's easy when you got that many accolades, Troy.

• 30:58Travis Kelce?

  Troy, can't thank you enough for taking the time and hanging with us, man. You've been an icon in the Kelsey household for such a long time. Remember I had the Dallas Cowboys action figures. It was, it was all the stars. It was you, Irvin, Emmett, Deion. I remember having them as a kid, man. I've been such a big fan. You grew up a quarterback wishing I could one day be an Aikman, but you know, made my way into the quarterbacks best friend world anyways, but appreciate the time, dog. And I gotta hit you with the first question, man. What was your first impression of Jason on air?

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Oh, well, it was fantastic. I mean, I, I remember we did a production, we did a production call with, with Jason back when he was, when he was still playing with the Eagles and someone asked, I don't think it was me, maybe it was Joe, maybe it was Aaron, asked him if, if Jason had an interest in getting into television when he was done. And he indicated that, that he might, you know, that he had given it some thought, was going to be doing some stuff. He, he talked about his grandfather, you know, he got emotional talking about his grandfather. And it was, it was one of those calls where we, we hung up and we said, wow, we just. You know, we just saw a side of Jason that we had never seen before. You know, we just saw this great competitor playing center and dominating, you know, and being an all pro

• 32:12Speaker 03

  player and all that. But then we saw this human side to him. Then we thought, well, you know, if that can translate, the guy has a real future, you know, if he wants to go that route. And he did. And by that time, I was, I was at ESPN and, and just thrilled. I mean, it was the Kelsey sweepstakes. It's a little bit, it's a little bit like what you're gonna be going through here, Travis. And, and so to get Jason, you know, to be a teammate at ESPN has been awesome. I mean, I'm not just saying this. I said this to others. I think Jason's an absolute superstar in this profession. You know, I mean, he can take this and go as far with it as he, as he did his playing career. We do that Monday

• 32:52Speaker 03

  night countdown hit that I come down and, and go on the set with him. The highest compliment that I can pay any former player or current player is by saying, you know, I would have loved to have been a teammate of yours. And Jason's one of those guys. And I, Travis, I can say the same thing about you. I've, I've covered enough of your games. But, but now I am a teammate of Jason's and he makes us better. So it's, it's awesome. And now if we get his brother, we get his younger brother over to the worldwide leader, we get, we got something.

• 33:26Travis Kelce?

  I don't know, man. ESPN's a very polished organization. And I don't know if I, yeah, I'm just kidding, man. I have a fucking glass, dude.

• 33:33Speaker 03

  It's not that polished. It's not that polished.

• 33:35Travis Kelce?

  Considering, considering Jason's first time on air, he's screaming tits.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 33:41Travis Kelce?

  And he still has a job. No. So do you think Jason could fit in on the, on the 90's Cowboys?

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Oh, heck yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, he'd probably be hanging with me, you know, I mean, some of those guys, they, you know, they, they, they've had more extracurricular activities than, than what I had. I don't, I don't claim to know what Jason was doing in his personal time, but I have a feeling he and I probably would have been hanging out together.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah. That would have been a blast.

• 34:10Travis Kelce?

  That's some good shit right there, man. I had to ask you what your opinion was, or at least the first thought of Jason being a, being a teammate. So that's awesome, man.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  I gotta mention this too, while we're still on like first impressions. Going up in the booth with you and Joe for the first time, I didn't know what I was doing. And just watching you guys play off of it and like the, the way you let me in there and just a great teammate you were there to try and guide me through that. I really appreciate that. And, and then you come down to the regular table while we're talking me, you, swag and the pre-show and you kill it there, man. I mean, you've been doing this. Is there anything you can't do in broadcasting? How long you been doing this? 25 years?

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, 25 years.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  That is amazing, man.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's crazy. You know, it was, uh, well, first of all, uh, when I, when I got into this and in oh, one, I was in a three man booth. So I, I first worked with Darryl Johnston, my former teammate.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  He had retired a year before me and

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Moose.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  And then Dick Stockton. So the three of us, and then after one year, Madden left and when he went to Monday Night Football. And so then they were looking for a new number one booth. And that's when I got paired with Joe Buck and Chris Collinsworth. And I was in another three man booth with those guys for three more years. So my first four years I was in a three man booth. And I knew pretty early on that I, I didn't like the three man booth. But I, I learned a lot by going that route. And the other thing is too, there's, there's, there was no social media. So, you know, I said a lot of dumb things.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  I still do.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  But when you say something dumb, you're like, man, I hope, and, and you didn't have to hear about all the, all the people who heard you say it, you know? And, and now, uh, there's not much grace period, there's not much grace period in life, period, but especially in broadcasting. So you don't really get a chance to kind of learn your way, you know, there's a, everyone has a quick opinion on guys as soon as they come into it. But like working with Collinsworth was, was good for me because he had been in television for a number of years prior to that. And Chris is one of those guys. There's a handful of these type of guys. There's not a lot of them. He could host a radio show, you know, he could, he could host a studio show. He can be the analyst. He could do,

• 36:26Speaker 03

  you know, he can do games. He, he can do all of it. Uh, he could do play by play. I think there was one time when they talked to him about maybe doing play by play with Madden. And and I could not, I wouldn't even attempt it. You know, I think what Joe Buck does and what play by play guys do is such a unique skill. You know, I've gotten more comfortable in front of the camera over the years, which is only natural, but I'm not as talented as as a lot of other people that could really kind of do any type of medium they they wanted to.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  I don't know, man. I think you kill it every time. Every time we talk, me, Swag, Ryan, SVP, every time you're on the desk, it is amazing to us how quickly you snap into it. What you say just like pierces through all the nonsense. That that's one thing that I think you do such a good job, not just on the desk, but also calling games. Where you talk about the quarterback position in particular, but really just football in general. There's a realness that doesn't come off like you're attacking anybody. It's just like a face value what you're seeing that you articulate so well in every medium I hear you in.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Jason, that's high praise. It means a lot to me. I I'll be honest. I mean, what I'm most grateful for you saying is that it doesn't feel like I'm attacking anybody because there's times when somebody writes something that I said.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  And and then it comes off as though I was being critical of the player and I and I and I get offended by that because the one thing that I've always tried to do, I've I've tried to be honest. I mean, everyone tries to do that. I think I think you owe it to the audience. I think you owe it to your employer. To to to be to be honest, but at the same time, I have so much respect for the players and the coaches that participate in this game. I mean, the three of us, we we know

• 38:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  how hard the game is to play. And and I especially know how hard the quarterback position is to play. Doesn't mean every throw is perfect. Doesn't mean every time the quarterback plays, he plays well. And and I will point that out, but I I hope I do it in a respectful way and not in a way that that tries to embarrass or be disrespectful to the people that are out there on the field doing it.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  For sure. And and it doesn't come across that way to me, especially when you're watching it live. I'd anybody can write an article with like a soundbite and frame it in whatever way they want.

• 38:37Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna say, I think the players understand that the most, you know, the the the guys that are seeing exactly what you're seeing and on how you're describing it, really appreciate your ability to to put it into words and and to give that to the viewers. And I think, you know, we all are biggest words critics if we're the best, you know, if we if you just have to have that mentality. So if somebody's saying that I'm not doing something that I need to be doing, like I I The first one to point that out. So I think the players definitely see that first and it's typically the viewers that have this love and desire that, you know, their, their quarterback or their players are the best and can never do anything wrong that have those kind of views on that.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  Especially Dallas because they, you know, I'm sure Jason, if you know, you do games or if you were to say anything on a pregame show about the Eagles immediately gets like if I say when I'm calling a Cowboys game and I don't call as many now on Monday night football because we only get two games a year, whereas at Fox, you know, I had many more. But if a call, if I didn't agree with a penalty that benefited the Cowboys, I mean, the Cowboys fans would they'd lose their mind.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  The one thing I do remember from when I was playing, I would be watching a Sunday night game or a Monday night game and a quarterback would make a throw and the, the analyst would say no one in that he's the only guy in football that can make that throw or he's, he's the best guy there is at that position. And then the next week, another quarterback would do something that'd say he's the best that, and I, and I'm like, there's 31 other quarterbacks that can make that exact same throw, you know, I mean, and so I, I never have been, and maybe at times this, this is not good, but I've never been prone to hyperbole. Like I just, if I do say something that's really strong, I mean, it's because I honestly believe that that's the only player that could have done

• 40:33Speaker 03

  whatever that was, you know? I mean, I just think it's, I think it's disrespectful to all of the other great players in the league. If, if you're only trying to sell that moment for television and, and not really being totally honest about the league overall.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And it comes across for sure because we're not going to name other announcers, but other guys get labeled almost as like super fans of like specific players because they're always saying certain things. And I just feel like everything you say about a guy is very at face value. And I've always like loved hearing that perspective.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  What do you think about the current state of quarterback play in the NFL? Like where are you at just holistically? Where we're at.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Well, I, I like it. I, I know going back to towards the end of my career and I, you know, I, I played and when, when we, when we played, I mean, I'm sure you guys feel the same. You, you feel like you played in the golden era of your position, you know? I mean, there were, I, I had Elway, Marino, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, Steve Young. You know, boomers, the list goes on and on. I mean, there were, there were a lot of really great quarterbacks during the era that I was playing. And towards the end of my career, I was asked, hey, where are all the great young quarterbacks? It's like, who's, who's going to fill those shoes of, once everyone retires? But, but what you find is somebody always fills those shoes, you know? There's always more superstars that are coming along and, and I think the league is in great hands.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I really do, uh, you know, we can look no further than Drake May at New England, a second year player and what, what he's been able to accomplish. And a number of other quarterbacks as well. I mean, obviously Travis's quarterback and Patrick Mahomes, what he's been able to accomplish. But there's Josh Allen, there's a number of great quarterbacks, uh, Joe Burrow's always been one of my favorites. But I think the game itself, what I've, what I've liked to see here in the last couple of years, and Jason, you probably would agree. We got so into the spread sets and throwing the football, the rules favored the receivers, you know, it was tougher on the defensive backs. Uh, and that really goes back to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and some of those games because New England just went after, uh, the, the Colts, uh, physically.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  And so they changed the rules and became more favorable for the receivers. So we saw this influx in teams wanting to throw the football and now it seems to kind of be coming back to the middle where teams are running the ball more. And I love that, you know, I mean, my career, I would have loved to have thrown the ball more than I did. But I, if I was a coach today. I would do it the same way we did the 90s Cowboys. I mean, a power running game, the play action game. And we see that, we see that from a lot of, we see that in San Francisco. We see it in, in with the Rams. We've seen it with a lot of other teams, Chicago, and they're kind of coming back to that, which, which I really like,

• 43:22Speaker 03

  which is only going to benefit the quarterbacks. So I, I like where the league is right now. I love these young quarterbacks and, and all the greatness that we've been able to see from that position.

• 43:32Travis Kelce?

  I love to hear you talk about the, the 90s Cowboys, man. It's so fucking fun. I was just telling you how I was watching the documentary and how excited it felt like that organization, everybody in that building got when, when you guys got Norv Turner.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:44Travis Kelce?

  And I think I, I'm really just, I'm, I'm, I'm curious, what was it about Norv's style? And it really being suited for you because you kind of had that different world, a lot, a lot of like, uh, rough games and a lot of learning experiences through those first couple of years.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  There's so many quarterbacks that have come into this game that were, were, came in as high draft picks, high expectations. And then it just never quite happens for them. And, and my first two years in Dallas, uh, I was on that path. I was on the path of, of being a bust. We were the worst offense in football, really both years. My first and second year in the league, uh, Norv Turner then came in my third year with the same players, really pretty much the same offensive lineman, same skill players, Emmett, Michael, uh, Novacek. And, and our first year, we were a top 10 offense and we went to the playoffs for the first time, won 11 games. And then the next two years with Norv, we, we were top five offensively and we won two Super Bowls.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  And so even in today's game, there's, there's not a lot of great offensive minds. And if you're one of these quarterbacks who's fortunate enough to play for one, you got a chance to be really successful. Everyone points to Sam Darnold and what he's gone through and where he's been the last two years. And that's a great example of it. He's been around really great coaching. He's excelled and we've seen his talents come out. And that's what happened to me. I mean, I, I credit, there's a reason why Norv Turner was my presenter when I went into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Uh, Michael and Emmett, they both, they both credit Norv Turner for turning their careers around. And, and Jimmy Johnson. He deserves a ton of credit too, because he was a tremendous motivator, but he was a

• 45:26Speaker 03

  great evaluator of talent. And so with those picks that we got from Herschel, the trade of Herschel, you know, we, we, we made the most of them and or he made the most of them. I had nothing to do with it.

• 45:39Travis Kelce?

  Give me somebody, please. Give me somebody.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  It's fun to say we. It's fun to say we. We're on the same team here.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  It is kind of fun to say we. You know, we, we picked some great players after we made the Herschel trade. But yeah, it was a fun time. And, and just as fun as it was, then, then Jimmy left and it, it just goes to show you that, man, there's a lot that goes into, to having success, you know, and when you have it, don't screw it up. And, and, and I think that the egos of Jimmy and Jerry, they, it happened too early for them in the NFL. They didn't realize really what they had. I think if it had been down the road years later, after a longer period of struggling, I, I think maybe everyone would have kind of taken a backseat and said, well, wait a minute. This is too good. Let's just

• 46:33Speaker 03

  enjoy it and let's not mess this up. But so, so be it.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. The perspective makes all the difference. I remember 2017, when we went on to win the Super Bowl that year, Brent, we had a really good team. We could all sense in training camp. You just know when like you got the roster, everything's clicking. And Brent Selig stood up in front of the guys and like, guys, I went to the NFC championship game my rookie year and we lost. And I was like, oh, we'll be back there next year. It's been 10 years since I've been back to that game. He's like, you don't know how hard it is to get there. And when you got it, to take advantage of it. And that was like, it's watch the season. It really had us like take it off. But I mean, the perspective, you don't really know until you have been through it and you've seen the downs and you realize how special it is to have all those pieces in place.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Let me ask you this, because you brought up organizations failing quarterbacks, more than quarterbacks failing organizations. If you're building an organization, and I know you're helping out with Miami, you're trying to get a young quarterback. What is Troy Aikman's like pinnacle of putting this guy in a successful situation?

• 47:38Speaker 03

  First of all, I'll say this about quarterbacks. I,

• 47:42Speaker 03

  I'm sure you guys do it as well. I, I, I worked the draft in, in 2018, I think it was whenever Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and those guys came out, Josh Allen. It's a great quarterback class. So Oh, yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  It's aging like fine wine. It's only getting better.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  It's only getting better. And I, I worked that draft. So I went to some of these pro days and watched these guys throw.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Now I don't go to physically to the pro days, but I'll watch a number of them on NFL Network. And quite honestly, I watch them and I, I think to my, what, what do you evaluate? What, I mean, what do you get? Watch? This isn't even football. It's just, you know, hey, let me just show you how strong my arm is and, you know, you get to see the ball come out. You get to see a little bit of accuracy, but there's not, to me, there's nothing that happens at a pro day for a quarterback that translates into whether or not this guy's going to be successful in the NFL. And, and you know, it's, it's all the intangibles because if you're, if you're looking at being drafted,

• 48:45Speaker 03

  you, you've got, you've got enough arm strength, you know, you've got enough athleticism and then so, okay, well then what's going to determine it? Well, you know, what kind of leader are you? What, how, you know, do you want to be the, the, the best there is? Do you, are you the first one in the building? What are your work habits? Are you, are you intelligent? You know, I mean, there's just a number of things and, and I feel it's easy. It's easy when you walk into a production meeting and you're meeting Patrick Holmes, who's already won three Super Bowls. You know, I mean, you know, he's got it, whatever that, you know, the trick is then finding that person who has it when they're still in college and they're getting ready to go to the NFL. So that becomes, that really becomes how you evaluate it. But I think as far as what would it look like to give a young quarterback success?

• 49:30Speaker 03

  It goes back to kind of what we talked about earlier. I, I would want him under center for the most part. I think that, I think the college game has gotten to where these quarterbacks sit back there, hold the ball. They're waiting for guys to get open and then when they get open, they throw them the football. They don't read coverages. They don't understand coverages. There's no sense of timing. It's one of the reasons why I loved watching Joe Burrow play so much because the ball comes out on time. He's an old school quarterback. I mean, he could have played, could have played Meyer in the nineties and You can feel that. So I think getting under center, it forces a quarterback to kind of play in rhythm and get the ball out. So I'd want that. I'd want a running game. All those things that are really

• 50:12Speaker 03

  beneficial and helpful for, for a quarterback. But you're, you're right. There's a number of teams, Dolphins included, that are, are looking for the next young quarterback that can be their guy for the next 10, 15 years.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  You brought up college. Where does Troy Aikman stand on NIL?

• 50:28Travis Kelce?

  See, when you talked about diving in on NIL one time, and then the fucking kid didn't even write you a note and just bailed on UCLA. And dude, I, I hadn't been, I was already out on it. I was like, dude, these kids, if these kids just get the opportunity to jump, they're jumping. And it's like, why even, why even waste your time on it?

• 50:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, and in fairness to, to the, to the young player, you know, it's a collectibles thing. He's just collecting the checks. He doesn't know.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  He doesn't even know.

• 50:55Speaker 03

  He doesn't even know. So it's no, no reflection of him. And, but with that said, I know a number of people, my daughters being two of them, that would have loved to have me to have given them that kind of money, you know?

• 51:08Speaker 02

  No doubt, no doubt.

• 51:10Speaker 03

  They would have written me a thank you note, you know? You know, I, I never even met him. I never even met the guy. And, and then he didn't play. So it just, it's, and I speak for probably most people out there. I know that most alums have heartburn over this whole NIL program. And I, I don't know how it gets cleaned up, but I do feel that at least in the NFL, you've got a contract that if you take money, you know, you're obligated.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  That's what it feels like it needs to get to.

• 51:39Travis Kelce?

  You have to honor that, man.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can't collect a check and then the very next year go back in the portal and then go collect another check. It just, it defies, you know, what, what this country's supposed to be about. I always thought players should be paid because you couldn't work in the off season, or you could work in the summers. You couldn't work during the school year back when I was playing. And, and I didn't come from a wealthy family at all. But there were a lot of teammates of mine who came from less money than even I did. And they were really struggling. And I thought, man, these guys should be getting paid something. And the, the NCAA, I think, just really dropped the ball. I mean, if they'd gotten out ahead of this and said, okay, here's what we're gonna do. And they didn't do it. And, and now it's the Wild West out there, you know, so.

• 52:25Travis Kelce?

  Insane, man.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  And what also, what you don't hear about anymore is, is the quality of the education.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 52:32Travis Kelce?

  I haven't heard that. I haven't heard education come by about college football since NIL came about. It's all of a sudden.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  It's not even discussed. Graduation rates, none of it.

• 52:43Travis Kelce?

  I never heard a kid ask, hey, how are my, how are my credits going to transfer if I, if I switch schools here? I haven't, haven't heard that one yet.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  No.

• 52:52Travis Kelce?

  But let's play, let's play a hypothetical because this is all funny games. If you were a college quarterback and you had one more year of eligibility, but you knew you were a top, top five lottery pick.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  At a great university.

• 53:07Travis Kelce?

  But you know, the NFL is waiting on you and everybody, everybody knows you're going to be a top pick. Would you stay an extra year or play for the worst or get drafted by the worst team in the league?

• 53:17Speaker 02

  Well, it says Jets.

• 53:18Travis Kelce?

  I'm not going to do the Jets thing.

• 53:23Travis Kelce?

  We got an employee that, that works with us at New Heights. That's a huge Jets fan. And the question was, would you get drafted by the Jets? But I'm just going to say about just, would you, would you question whether or not to stay the extra year or get drafted? By arguably like a, a rough situation.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  That's a hard one because typically, you know, for instance, when I came out in 89, I was first overall pick. And the Cowboys, of course, were the worst team and they were, they were the worst team in football. And, and we were the worst team in football, even after my rookie year. We, we regressed. We went from three wins before I came to Dallas to one win when I joined. And, and so that didn't look like a great situation, but yet it became an amazing place to play. And, and so I, I think you got to be really guarded about saying, well, historically this franchise hasn't done it. And so do I really want to go to that place or should I stay in college another year and maybe, you know, reshuffle the deck? And I get a play, a chance to go play somewhere else.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  I, you know, there's a lot of, you take Peyton Manning going to Indianapolis, what he was able to do, you know, they all look good. Joe Burrow going to Cincinnati. I mean, all these programs start looking better. You know, when you start getting the right people in place. So that's a. That's a hard one. I, I think it's so important for these quarterbacks to play, just play, play in college, play as many games. I mean, the chances of them then going on and having success in the NFL go up dramatically. I mean, you look at a guy like Bo Nix and what he was able to do, and it's so rare. A lot of these quarterbacks have only had 13, 14 starts in college, and that's a big jump than going to the NFL and expecting to play well.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  Is there anybody out there that's struggling in the league right now that you would say might be the next Sam Darnold?

• 55:10Speaker 03

  Not offhand, not offhand. Um, you know, when I, going back to that draft, Sam was my number one guy. I mean, when I evaluated him, I thought the one question mark with Sam in college was the turnovers. He, he turned the ball over a lot in college, fumbles and interceptions, and he still has had some of that in the, in the NFL. Uh, but early on, it looked like, well, maybe it's just not going to work out for him. But like we said, he goes to San Francisco, backs up, then he goes to Minnesota, and then what he's done this year in Seattle has, has been awesome. We've seen that from Baker Mayfield. Josh Allen was a bit of a project coming out of college. People thought it would take him longer than it did, and he's the one who had the most success right away. So I've talked to so many people who evaluate quarterbacks

• 55:54Speaker 03

  for a living, and, and I've said, hey, when you walked in and met with Aaron Rodgers coming out of college, or Joe Burrow, or whoever, did, did you know they had it? And, and it's about 50/50, you know? I mean, it's a coin flip as to whether or not what, what you think is what they're going to become. And, uh, and that's why, that's why there's so many people that have been wrong. Uh, it's not an exact science in, in getting these guys right.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Well, quarterback is even the hardest one to judge, I feel like, because like you've been saying, there's so many intangibles that determine whether that guy pans out.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  We got a great one coming out this year.

• 56:33Travis Kelce?

  He took college football by storm this year with both his play and his, uh, his personality, man. He's a bit of a unique individual, and Fernando Mendoza over there at Indiana, obviously national champion. Everyone's saying he's going to be the number one pick. What's your, what's your Read on on him if you've been able to catch him uh playing football.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  I haven't studied him. Uh I I've seen him play a little bit. You know, my my uh college football viewing is really more or less the game's on and I'm studying, preparing for our broadcast or whatever. And so it's more more background noise. So I don't really study him too hard. A big fan of what he's been able to do. A big fan of that university for that matter and what Kurt Signetti accomplished. I mean, it's just remarkable. I mean, it's just blows me away. Speaking of him, not to avoid your question, but they played UCLA a year ago, week three. I'm home on a Saturday. They're UCLA, Indiana at the Rose Bowl.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  And they start talking about Kurt Signetti, and I never heard of him before. And they say he came from James Madison. They go through his whole thing. They played the soundbite of, you know, all I do is win. Google me and and so I got so I got I got I got it so locked in like it. That's when television worked, you know, like it it hooked me and I was

• 57:51Speaker 03

  and it wasn't because of UCLA. It was because, man, I I want to know more about this Kurt Signetti.

• 57:55Travis Kelce?

  This old ball coach, man.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  And I'm watching his team play and you could tell they were just so well coached, you know, that they'd catch the football. They're three yards short of the first down, but the guy immediately catches it, knives up the field, picks up the first down. I'm like, man, these guys, they they've been well coached. So I've been following them ever since. And uh so I'm a huge fan of what he's done. Now, Mendoza, I I will say, I was just having this conversation with someone else that every year there is a best quarterback in the draft, right? There's always a best quarterback, but it doesn't mean that every year there's a franchise quarterback in the draft. And I think that I think that that's what, and I'm not suggesting that Mendoza is not a franchise quarterback at all.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  I'm just saying that, you know, that's that's what has to be evaluated. Is is he the first overall pick? Should he maybe not be the first overall pick? It's just that, as we've talked about, the league is so starved for quarterbacks. And if you're one of those teams that needs one, man, they all look like franchise quarterbacks.

• 58:54Travis Kelce?

  You talk yourself into it real quick.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  That's right. So I I like him. I like his accuracy. I like, man, tough. Uh he's played in big games. He's shown it on big stage. I think there's a lot to be said for that. Uh and now it's a matter of can he get to the right place? Is is Vegas that place where he can really excel?

• 59:16Speaker 03

  It's easy to say, yeah, because Tom Brady's an owner and he's got a vested interest and he's going to be right there, but he's not going to be right there, you know, and there's a, there's a lot that is happening within that organization. So, uh, but I like the young man and I'm, I'll be pulling for, I pull for all these guys to play well. I'll be pulling for him when he gets his chance.

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• 1:00:39Travis Kelce?

  It's my middle name. So something pretty incredible is hitting theaters on April 24th. It's called Michael, the new biopic about Michael Jackson.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  And here's what makes it incredible. Jafar Jackson, Michael's actual nephew is playing him in the film.

• 1:00:55Travis Kelce?

  This is incredible. This isn't just about the greatest hits or the iconic dance moves. This goes deeper. It's the real story of how someone became a legend.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  The journey behind the music that changed the world. Michael hits theaters April 24th. Honestly, this is one that you're going to want to see on the big screen.

• 1:01:13Travis Kelce?

  Head to your favorite theaters website and grab your tickets now. The Michael Jackson biopic only in theaters April 24th.

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  Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. Let's get to this segment right here. We call it get off my turf.

• 1:01:58Travis Kelce?

  Get off my turf.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  We need to narrow these field goals. It's too easy to kick field goals. Also out on these touchscreens on the walls.

• 1:02:06Travis Kelce?

  I'm out on that too. I am out on that too. Oh, I want a smart house.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  What the is wrong with Moritz? Get off my turf.

• 1:02:13Travis Kelce?

  Get off my turf.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  It's a new segment for us.

• 1:02:16Travis Kelce?

  Sick of this new wave, man. We've been, we've been bitching about all types of shit on how the NFL has changed, man. We're huge. We love the fucking wedge back in the day, man. Get the big boys out there locking arms, full on collisions. Like, why change that? That's the most exciting. Fuck, that's the start of the game right there. I get to see some action.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  The wedge. I haven't heard the wedge.

• 1:02:39Travis Kelce?

  You're talking to two wedge, wedge guys right here. We fucking love that shit. Crackback blocks being legal. Defenseless receiver rules, man. I just watched the doc and, and Michael Irvin is just out here just enjoying every single lick he's taken over the middle, man. Just becoming bigger of more and more of a beast every time he catches one, man. And that's, that's just, it's just a different game. So Jason, go ahead.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  I was a wedge buster. I was a wedge buster in college. Before I started, I was running down in knee braces and they said, Jason, just take out this wedge. No joke, no joke. Me and Ricardo Matthews, a D lineman that played in the league for a long time, they said, we could get down there faster than anybody anyways. I'm like, hey, UCF had a really good kickoff. They, hey, guys, just go down there and take the wedge out. They do all middle returns. It'll be great. We go down there, we blow this four man wedge up. It goes 106 yards to the house, down the sideline.

• 1:03:29Travis Kelce?

  Let's reevaluate this, maybe have some savvy, maybe get to the ball.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:34Travis Kelce?

  You would have fucking loved to see this dude running down, cause it was in his transition. You heard him say knee braces.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that's what I was gonna say. I would have loved to have seen him not only run down the field, but run down the field in knee braces.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:03:46Travis Kelce?

  He had just made the transition over to the offensive line. It was the rule that all linemen, he didn't wear knee braces. So he had this big old, it was like he had a yoga ball on his waist, man. He had this big old gut because he was trying to gain weight to play all line, had the knee braces on, but still had like that linebacker athleticism a little bit.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Not quite, not quite.

• 1:04:07Travis Kelce?

  Nothing in that belly more than beer and subway, man. It was hilarious, man. He was, he was, he was a baller.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  We're gonna give you 40 seconds, Troy. Air out any complaint you have with the modern game of football. Do you have anything that right off the top of your head you can think of?

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  I guess what I don't like is, and I'm a former quarterback, of course, I, I don't like the extent of some of the protection on the quarterback is probably, probably my biggest complaint, just because it, it, man, it just, the whole objective for a defense is obviously to get to the quarterback. I mean, if you do that, you got your chances of winning go up. And, and these guys, man, I, I've never played defensive line or any of that, but I can only imagine that you're fighting through 300 pound offensive linemen, you're getting twisted and torqued in all kinds of directions, and yet you're trying to get to the quarterback. And, and if you get there and you don't do it exactly the right way, then there's a penalty. And I just, I don't like that. I don't, I don't

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  like that at all. Now, there's so much that's been done to try to protect players and, and I'm, I'm all for it. But

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  You talk about a wide receiver back in the, in the, you know, going back prior to the 2000s. I mean, if you went over the middle, it was up to the quarterback to protect the receiver. And now they just, quarterbacks will just throw it anywhere because they know the quarterback or the receiver's not going to get hit. And what I see a number of times is defenders, they don't know how to play it. Like they're caught in no man's land. They don't know whether to try to make a play on the ball. Just, just try to tackle the receiver. I, I feel bad for the players, the, the gladiators that are in the arena. They don't really want the protection, you know, they're, the, the players are the ones always saying, hey, we're good, let us play.

• 1:05:51Travis Kelce?

  I signed the contract. I'm good. I'm ready. I, I, I agreed to this.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  That's right. So that's, uh, that's what's kind of different and, and odd about the whole thing.

• 1:06:01Travis Kelce?

  Couldn't agree more.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't want to be the, uh, get off, whatever the segment's called, the get off my lawn guy.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  Get off my lawn. You don't want to be that?

• 1:06:08Travis Kelce?

  All right, all right. We'll be those guys. Thank you for, thank you for playing along though. We'll get, we'll get you out of here after this last segment, man. We always end it with a little bit of we gotta ask, but you can clearly not answer. You could just tell us to fuck off, Troy. But, uh, but we, we gotta ask these questions.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  I gotta ask the first one. I got to, because this is the most impressive highlight I've ever seen in the NFL. Is Larry Allen chasing down that interception the most impressive thing athletically you've ever seen in the NFL?

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  Probably. I mean, this guy, I've seen the clip you're talking about, and I remember, I remember the play like it was yesterday. And, and yet he was so athletic that I didn't think anything of it at the time that it happened.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  You just.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  Larry got to him before I did, you know? Okay.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  I was pissed that it was an interception, but then I see the clip and you're like, whoa, I mean, he, he was, he was a freak and he was the, he was the quietest, shyest guy in the locker room.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh. I mean, he, he, he wouldn't say two words, you know? I mean, he was so shy.

• 1:07:17Travis Kelce?

  Stylin assassin, man.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  And he'd get on the field and he would just destroy people. I mean, it was, he was, he was, he was amazing.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  I think of that clip, I think of that, what did he put up on the bench press at the Pro Bowl the one year? It was like some absurd number?

• 1:07:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, it might've been 800 pounds or something. It was after I had retired that, uh, that, that he did that. And, uh, and just a gentle giant. I mean, God rest his soul, you know, he passed a few years ago. Uh, but I'd reached out to him. I'd heard he was struggling a little bit and, uh, he was just a gentle giant. I mean, just a, just an incredible, his, his son went to Harvard, Harvard or Yale, uh, played football. I mean, he was a family man, raised great kids. Uh, everything he did, he invested back into his family. You know, the, the words goat gets thrown around a lot, you know, greatest of all time and all that. I, I mean, there's a lot of great linemen, uh, and, and I'd

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  put a lot of others on par with him, but I wouldn't say anyone that's ever played's been better than him. I, I know that and, uh, love, love having him as a teammate as well.

• 1:08:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, baby. Close friend of mine, Andy Reid, uh, says that, uh, he maybe have called you in 2002?

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Travis Kelce?

  Uh, while you were, while you were on the Fox broadcast to see if you maybe be interested in playing for the Philadelphia Eagles?

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  That's right. Yeah, we were in, uh, we were in, we were at Old Jack Murphy Stadium. I was in the three man booth with Collinsworth and, and Joe Buck. And we had just done a game break that Donovan McNabb had just broke his leg. And the Eagles were playing really well. They were number one in the NFC at the time as mid-season. We're getting ready to go to halftime and my producer Richie Zion says, hey, I've got a number that I need you to call at halftime, which he had never done. And I was in my like third year, third year.

• 1:09:05Travis Kelce?

  In the middle of a broadcast.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  And I'm trying to call from, uh, the booth at halftime and there's no cell service. So I walk out onto the concourse. Cause this was an old stadium. It was Old Jack Murphy. So I'm out on the concourse. Fans are walking by. Of course they're like, hey, F you Aikman Cowboys.

• 1:09:25Speaker 03

  I got, I got Andy Reid. I said, hey, he says, hey, it's Andy. And I said, Andy Reid? He said, yeah. And, uh, he says, uh, you know, you heard what happened, didn't you? And I said, yeah, we just did a game break on it. And he goes, well, I want to talk to you. I said, Andy, I'm in the middle of a broadcast.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  He said, I know you are. He said, I need you to call me after the game. And I said, all right. So I called him after the game and he was selling me on why I should come out of retirement and go, go sign with the Eagles and play for them. They were playing Monday night. The following game was on Monday night against the 49ers. And, uh, Ty, Ty Detmer was the, he, I, I decided, obviously I didn't, I didn't do it. I said, I, I didn't go.

• 1:10:05Travis Kelce?

  You didn't pull the old man rivers?

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  I was on my way up to Montecito, Santa Barbara after that game and I'm driving up and I said, I can either keep on going north and enjoy a week in Montecito. Or I'm going to be on a plane in a blizzard in Philadelphia, you know, and

• 1:10:24Speaker 03

  Detmer goes down the very next week. He gets hurt against 49ers. A.J. Feeley takes over. He wins five straight games. McNabb comes back from his injury, finishes out the season and the Eagles went to the NFC Championship game that year. So it wound up being still an amazing year for him.

• 1:10:42Travis Kelce?

  There you go. That's what a fun story, man. That's crazy. I can only imagine trying to be on the main concourse while fans are yelling at you. It's like, this is Andy? Oh, man, that's too funny.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  Speaking of Philly, do you have any favorite stories from playing in Philly?

• 1:10:59Speaker 03

  I know they're good on defense now, but back when I played, it didn't matter if it was Buddy Ryan, Bud Carson, Ray Rhodes. I mean, it didn't matter who their defensive coordinator was. They, they, they beat the dog shit out of quarterbacks. I mean, it was 91. They were number one against the run, number one against pass, number one overall. They were knocking quarterbacks out every week. And my first game against them, I didn't know a lot about them my rookie year. Our first game was on Thanksgiving in Dallas. And at the end of that game, and that was the year, obviously, we weren't very good. And I, at the end of that game, they x-rayed both shoulders, both knees, my elbow. I thought I, I thought I had broken bones through my whole body. We, we had to play the Eagles

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  two weeks later. And after they x-rayed me after the game, they said, yeah, no, everything's good. And I said, everything's good. What do you, what?

• 1:11:51Speaker 03

  I had to go back two weeks later and play against these animals. I mean, they, they were, they were brutal. And that was a game they were throwing, you know, they had the snowballs with batteries and, you know, I took my helmet off, the Santa Claus throwing snowballs at him on his little tricycle. I mean, that, that stuff, that stuff was real, you know?

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. They were, I remember we were sitting around at a round table one offseason as me, Favre, Elway, and I think Warren Moon. And they asked us where our least favorite place to play was, our toughest place to play. And they get to me and I said, said Philadelphia. I mean, it was hands down Philadelphia, the worst place to play. And Favre, and they go to Favre and Favre says Philadelphia. And I said, what do you know about Philadelphia? He only played there one time in his career and it was like four years earlier. I said, I gotta go there every year. These guys are.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  I mean, that that defense was so, they were so good. I mean, Reggie and Clyde Simmons and, you know, the list goes on and on. Seth Joyner. Yeah. Eric Allen. I mean, they were just dominant.

• 1:13:02Travis Kelce?

  We got a running joke on here that a average, an average fan couldn't get a single yard in the NFL. But with the guy as, as much football knowledge accumulated as Joe Buck, could Joe Buck get a, get a yard in the NFL?

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  Get a yard doing what? Running? Running the ball?

• 1:13:26Speaker 03

  There is no chance. None. None. In fact, in fact, you know, Joe played football. I broke his neck playing, you know, when he was in high school.

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

  Broke his neck? I didn't know this.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  Broke his neck playing football.

• 1:13:44Travis Kelce?

  Get with the giggle is hilarious.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  Joe would not only not get a yard, he, he would not, he might not get up. I mean, like,

• 1:13:55Speaker 03

  come on.

• 1:13:57Travis Kelce?

  My bad, Joe. I said Joe for failure right there. Who's a better actor? You and Jerry Maguire or Jerry Jones in Landman?

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  Jerry Jones in Landman. Did he not crush that?

• 1:14:07Travis Kelce?

  It's so fitting.

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  Dude, that scene in the hospital is unreal.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  I've had a lot of meetings with Jerry over the years. I've had a lot of great conversations with him about his past. And, you know, when he gets into talking about some of the things that, uh, that he's lived through and that, that he's done, it, it's pretty, pretty fascinating. And so I've heard variations of basically that story that he told in Landman. And so Joe and I were talking about it, Joe Buck, and he was saying, hey, did you see it? And I said, yeah, I saw it. It was phenomenal. I said, but I've heard him basically tell that story. I said, he wasn't acting. That's, that's Jerry. I mean, that's Jerry telling the story. And, and Joe made a great point. He says, no, I, I hear you. I hear you that it's his story and, and all that.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  But, but he told it in a Sound studio in front of 40 people with cameras and lights and and an audience, you know, and and he and he sold it.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  He sold it for sure.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  That is acting. So I, when he said that, I said, you know what? You're right. Cause we've all been on commercial shoots and you know, it's not as comfortable as what Jerry made it feel when he was delivering that. I thought I thought he was phenomenal.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Couldn't agree more. Yeah. The cadence and like the way he the pauses and everything. It just came off so real.

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  And I've gotten to know Taylor Sheridan and and we were talking about that that piece that Jerry did and and I agree. Taylor said if if he wanted, you know, he could make a living as an actor, you know, and and he could. I mean, I got I got a joke I could tell, but I don't I don't want to tell it. So I'm not going to. It would go viral and then I then I got my hands full in the media for the next. So I'll leave it at that. But

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  When we stop recording, we're gonna, we're gonna hear this. All right.

• 1:15:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Travis Kelce?

  Using a former teammate to fill in the blank. People forget that blank was a problem.

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  Using a former teammate to fill in the blank that blank was a problem.

• 1:16:10Travis Kelce?

  People forget that that this man was a problem.

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  I mean, obviously we had some, we had some colorful figures and and well documented, I might add. But the the thing that then, you know, there's a lot of people who who point to to Michael and it was in the documentary of all the things that he went through and and dealt with in his personal life and away from the field. And and I I would say that Michael, like he and I have a relationship that's so unique and it's been that way forever. You know, my mom who's passed, we, Michael and I were on a on a cruise after my first year and I I brought my mom and and like my mom.

• 1:16:55Speaker 03

  The Michael and the trouble and the things that he he got into like my mom would not have condoned those things, you know, a lot, a lot of people's moms wouldn't, a lot of people wouldn't, right? But my mom loved Michael Irvin because every time he saw her, he made her feel like a million dollars, you know, and I I've met y'all's mom and when people make your mom feel special. I mean, you can't put that into words. You can't put a price on that. And so and and my mom loved Michael right up until the day she passed. And Michael and I have that relationship to where he's for the longest time as as I've gotten older, you're more willing to tell people what they mean to you and that you love them. And but

• 1:17:38Speaker 03

  when you're in your twenties, Michael was the guy who would come over, see me in public. He'd come over, give me a kiss and tell me he loves me and, you know, yeah, it was just and regardless of whatever was happening in his life, when we went out to practice, because people would say, how how do you and Michael or how are you and Michael so close? And I said, you know what? When we go out to practice, it doesn't like we we live totally different lives. But he gets out there and he runs every route like he's preparing for the Super Bowl. It's never affected the way he prepares during the week. And that's all I cared about. I mean, if a guy, if a guy came and showed up to work and was ready to get better that day and help us win, man, it was go do whatever the hell you want. And that was that

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  was Michael. I don't know how he did it because he ran hard away from the facility, but he he ran hard at the facility as well. And and it's why we were as close as we were.

• 1:18:30Travis Kelce?

  Man, I love Irv, man. He's the best, dog.

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  He's a piece. He's one of one for sure. Do you have a welcome to the NFL moment? You might have already named it with the Eagles game from your rookie year, it sounds like, but. It was the Eagles and it was my rookie year and it was Thanksgiving that I talked about that, you know, in college, a big guy breaks through the line. You know, I wasn't the fastest guy in the world, but but I could run. I I ran the whiff phone at OU when I was playing at Oklahoma. But, you know, you just run away from them. You know, you run away from them, you throw the ball and you know, you go on to the next play. And we're playing the Eagles and Reggie White got through them, got through the line. So I take off running and then somebody tackled me from behind.

• 1:19:16Speaker 03

  And I was just like, who was that? I didn't know they brought a linebacker or something. When I got up, it was, it was Reggie. And that's when I, that's where I remember thinking, man, this, this league is, this league's different when you've got 300 pounders like Reggie White who are running you down from behind. And yeah, so that was my, that was my welcome to the NFL moment.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  That's a mean guy chasing you for sure.

• 1:19:39Travis Kelce?

  Troy, we can't thank you enough, man. One of the best to do it on the field, in the booth, stand up guy, man. Thank you for all the nuggets of gold, the wisdom, the stories, brother, and of course the time, man. This is fun, man.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  You got it. You got it, man. I appreciate you guys having me. You guys are awesome. Thank you so much.

• 1:19:56Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to Troy Aikman for stopping by, man. I still remember having those action figures when I was a kid, man. I, I, even when I watched Little Giants, I was like, I kind of liked the Cowboys, man. Aikman had those Cowboys jerseys looking fucking sweet in the nineties, man. Shout out to Aikman for all the stories, man. Obviously one of the best broadcasters out here, but for all you young bucks, man, go watch some Aikman highlights from the nineties, man. You won't regret it. Once again, that conversation is brought to you by Amazon.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Troy Aikman. Make sure you subscribe to New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:20:34Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a wondery show brought to you by AT&T this week. Ha ha, still got it. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with what has for fun clips throughout the week to our New Heights production team. Thank you guys for always making us look good and you guys are really the, the engine that keeps this thing going, man. We appreciate you guys and thank you to the 92%ers for tuning in each and every week. Hopefully you enjoyed it as much as we did and we'll see you next week. Peace.

• 1:21:11Speaker 04

  Does Intuit TurboTax want to sponsor my trip to the zoo?

• 1:21:14Travis Kelce?

  The LA Zoo?

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  No, I went to the living desert in Palm Springs. It's a better zoo. Oh, you're full of shit. I'll take you.

• 1:21:20Travis Kelce?

  You're, you're as close to San Diego as you are the fucking desert.

• 1:21:25Speaker 04

  But I was in, I was in the desert looking at wedding venues. It was not, this was not a zoo trip.

• 1:21:29Speaker 02

  Oh, Brandon.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  Jay Travis.

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  So nice.

• 1:21:33Speaker 04

  It was very nice. And here's what I've learned. It's expensive. Oh, fuck.

• 1:21:39Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  I said, Lauren, how serious are we? Honey, there's a, there's an Applebee's right there.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  She'll say yes to it.

• 1:21:47Speaker 04

  Honey, you know I love you. It's $3 margaritas. How much are we really looking to spend on people?

• 1:21:51Travis Kelce?

  Half off apps after 10, after 9, actually. They moved that up an hour.

• 1:21:55Speaker 04

  They have something called a triple dipper. I think our guests will love that. Yeah, let me know when you guys want to come out. I'll, I'll book it around your schedules.

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  Are we invited?

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  You guys are both invited. You skipped Jake's, so you gotta come to mine.

• 1:22:04Travis Kelce?

  You're getting married at the zoo?

• 1:22:06Speaker 04

  Honestly, I would get fucking married at the zoo. I love a little wallaby running around. Dude, do not, don't tempt me.

• 1:22:11Travis Kelce?

  Just come out on the elephant? That's epic.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  Dude, they had rhinos, man. Fucking rhinos are sick.

• 1:22:15Travis Kelce?

  Oh, rhinos are fucking, very intense. Did you go in the cage with them?

• 1:22:20Speaker 04

  No, they don't give me the Travis Kelce tour.

• 1:22:22Travis Kelce?

  Don't do it.

• 1:22:23Speaker 04

  I'm with Gin Pop. They keep me behind the fence.

• 1:22:25Travis Kelce?

  Terrifying.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  No, they're, they're, but they're like, you're looking at an alien when you see them.

• 1:22:30Travis Kelce?

  Fucking trot around like, holy shit. I have a ridiculous AI algorithm right now of hyenas. Hyenas, hyane, hyane, hyenas?

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that one is hilarious.

• 1:22:45Travis Kelce?

  The one where he's just laughing in the, in the front seat?

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  That's one that I had to look up. Like, I'm like, I know this is fake, but I just like, let's just see if it says AI.

• 1:22:54Travis Kelce?

  Jason, you had to look that up.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  You had to double check.

• 1:22:58Travis Kelce?

  The hyena had a mask on.

• 1:23:00Speaker 04

  Rock, is this real?

• 1:23:02Travis Kelce?

  Hilarious.

• 1:23:03Speaker 02

  Just comment section, just a quick glance, making sure.

• 1:23:06Travis Kelce?

  You can't ask AI about another AI thing being real, because then they're, they're on the same team. They're gonna say, yeah, it's real.

• 1:23:12Speaker 04

  The robots get together.

• 1:23:13Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's real.

• 1:23:15Speaker 04

  Oh, no, it's real, that's real, that's real, that's real, that's, that's fine. Love it.