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0:00 John Coogan? It feels so good to be back. You know who else is back? Google with a huge fundraiser, an equity fundraiser, surprising to a lot of people.
0:09 Jordi Hays? You don't.
0:09 John Coogan? They haven't raised equity in years and years and years, but they raised a cheeky 80 billion. The Wall Street Journal has a story. Alphabet's mega fundraising shows the value of being a public company.
0:20 Jordi Hays? Let's be honest, John, the real story is that you got a haircut.
0:21 John Coogan? I did. I didn't just get a haircut. I got the ball cut. I got the ball cut. Hey, we got the team there. There we go. That's a new, that's a new angle. I like that. Well, Alphabet, in AI, money talks, says the Wall Street Journal. The ability to tap stock market capital is important again after a quarter century of being all but irrelevant. So, let's run through it. 80 billion stock-based fundraising should be taken as a rebuke to those salivating over the forthcoming IPOs of SpaceX, OpenAI, Anthropic. The search giant is showing its competitive advantage in an area that increasingly matters for artificial intelligence access to money. Ben Thompson has a great breakdown, too, of how capital is so important in the age of AI
1:04 John Coogan? and the war for AI. In AI, money talks. The biggest companies are paying out hundreds of millions of dollars to lure top researchers and tens of billions to build data centers while financing losses as they build their AI businesses. The money being funneled into AI is probably already making it harder for non-AI startups to raise capital, with 61% of all venture capital last year going to AI.
1:26 Jordi Hays? That feels low, like based on, based on, but, but there's a lot of, there was a lot of hard tech.
1:32 John Coogan? Well, everything sort of gets wrapped into AI. I was talking to someone about like-
1:35 Jordi Hays? Yeah, that's, that's, that's why it feels low.
1:37 John Coogan? How to have a conversation about AI. And it was like, you can talk about sycophancy. You can talk about data centers and water and energy and being an eyesore. And then you can also talk about enterprise sales and SaaS and you can talk about consumer. And it just touches absolutely everything. It's almost, it feels like if you're trying to have the AI conversation. Rude, rude about the Jared Isaacman years. We love Jared Isaacman.
2:06 Jordi Hays? I don't think that's rude.
2:08 John Coogan? I don't know.
2:09 Jordi Hays? Our great space leader Jared.
2:11 John Coogan? Yeah.
2:11 Jordi Hays? Incredibly handsome.
2:12 John Coogan? People like saying that about getting a haircut. I got my ears lowered. That's another dad joke. Got my ears lowered. Anyway, yesterday Alphabet announced a massive $80 billion equity raise, says Brandon Grell in the TBPN newsletter. You can go sign up, tbpn.com. The raise will be broken up into a few milestones over the course of this year. Berkshire Hathaway, Greg Abel at the helm, Warren Buffett, obviously still at the table.
2:36 Jordi Hays? There was a viral post yesterday. Somebody was saying Buffett retires and they immediately invest in Google at all time highs.
2:44 John Coogan? Yeah.
2:44 Jordi Hays? What other company did they invest in at all time highs?
2:48 John Coogan? Was that Apple?
2:48 Jordi Hays? Apple.
2:49 John Coogan? Apple.
2:49 Jordi Hays? Apple. And look what they did.
2:50 John Coogan? I mean, for a long time, for what 30, 40 years, Warren Buffett was known as like not a tech investor, couldn't wrap his mind around it. Valuations always too high. Business too, too frothy or too high growth, like.
3:05 Jordi Hays? Well, I think he knew vibe coding was coming.
3:07 John Coogan? For sure.
3:08 Jordi Hays? And he thought, how are you, how can I value a software company when the cost of producing software is obviously going to zero? He was saying that back in 2010.
3:15 John Coogan? Yeah. He wanted to get in on Gen Moji a decade early.
3:19 Jordi Hays? Yeah.
3:19 John Coogan? No, obviously like the business was printing. It fit the Warren Buffett mold. I was actually doing this, this deep dive on like, where would Warren Buffett find value in the AI supply chain? I was trying to dig into, you know, if you apply that framework, because there's a lot of froth, there's a lot of excitement, there's a lot of high growth opportunities, but.
3:40 Jordi Hays? Where would Berkshire trade if Warren came out of retirement and just said, I'm coming out of retirement to invest in AI bottlenecks? Not only does Berkshire re-rate, I think everything goes way higher.
3:50 John Coogan? I think so.
3:52 Jordi Hays? John, they want you to crack another Diet Coke.
3:54 John Coogan? Another Diet Coke. Here you go.
3:57 John Coogan? Boom, satisfying. Another one. When I did this analysis, the name that popped up was-
4:04 Jordi Hays? Buffett saw G-Stack and knew that the AI revolution was real.
4:08 John Coogan? It is god mode after all.
4:10 Jordi Hays? Yeah, he's in the memo.
4:12 John Coogan? Well-
4:12 Jordi Hays? It's like god mode.
4:13 John Coogan? Berkshire's buying 10 billion worth of shares at a roughly 6% discount from Monday's closing price. Another $30 billion will consist of underwritten public offerings and the last 40 billion will be staggered common stock offerings beginning in Q3 2026. And overall, the dilution is very low. All the shares Alphabet will sell are brand new, meaning the plan is slightly dilutive for existing shareholders, but at their 4 trillion market cap, where are they right now? They're way, way up. 80 billion just isn't that much dilution for the shareholders, fortunately. A lot of opinions on the timeline about this deal this morning. Brandon Correll has seen a number of people theorizing that Alphabet is sucking up liquidity, AI demand from investors before they'd be able to buy an Anthropic or OpenAI IPO.
4:58 John Coogan? Richard Rehard-Jark gave a few less conspiratorial explanations.
5:02 Jordi Hays? Yeah, a lot of people were saying that about SpaceX.
5:05 John Coogan? SpaceX, yeah.
5:05 Jordi Hays? But the other, the more simple answer is you should probably raise capital when it's cheap.
5:10 John Coogan? Yeah, and we've seen liquidity pull out of other sectors of the market, and so it has to go somewhere. Certainly makes sense that it would go into the latest and greatest technology. So Alphabet is seeing demand for Gemini go up, and so it's going to invest more in compute and scale. The first question is why did Google issue equity instead of debt? So there's some rumors that debt might be coming, and the equity is sort of a precursor to that, but Ben Thompson writes, "Debt is, all things being equal, the preferred instrument for investment. The proceeds of the latter pay off better than the former, and existing equity holders reap all of the benefits. Equity, on the other hand, removes the risk of debt, but at the cost of giving up a future share of profits." That leads to why, what may be the Occam's razor.
5:55 John Coogan? Google is going to start issuing a lot more debt as well, which is to say that everyone continues to underestimate the amount of demand there is for compute. Of course, that's not far off from a more- More bearish interpretation. Google is uncertain about the return of investment of all of that capex and would prefer to share the risk along with the upside. If there isn't a substantial debt issuance down the road, then this might be the right answer. Yeah, I mean, compute is remarkably expensive. We're looking at, you know, even even within the the cogs or the or the cost of inference for the labs, we're seeing, you know, dollars per task. It's a lot of money, a lot of dollars flowing into these data centers. But when you actually run the numbers on the tasks that they are completing,
6:40 John Coogan? comp that to other sources to get something done, you're seeing positive ROI. So it's all just a productivity uplift, which is good to see. The Wall Street Journal continues and says, "Bond investors think the hundreds of billions of dollars of debt being raised by big tech is pushing up the yield and other borrowers have to pay. And even and it's even affecting government bond yields. The hyperscalers of Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, and Meta have become major bond issuers as they ramp up spending, with Alphabet alone raising 85 billion in a series of record-breaking issues around the world in the past year. They might raise more in debt. But the stock market is the obvious place to raise capital, to spend on the exciting bits of AI. Where the returns are unknown, technology is rapidly developing and business models are in flux. Unlike debt, companies don't have to repay their shareholders.
7:24 John Coogan? And if it takes longer to make money from AI or never makes money, the company can simply wait it out if it was financed by stock, though investors would be very unhappy. Alphabet is one of a tiny number of companies capable of raising so much cash without tanking its stock, thanks to its near-monopoly in online search and credibility with Wall Street in new ventures." That's a really good point. For a long time, tech has been sort of cold on Google's side projects, but they're starting to bear so, so much fruit. You look at the progress with Waymo and it's very clear that just one win in Waymo will be a power law that will wash out all of the side chat apps that never went anywhere or little little software projects and April Fool's jokes that they launched.
8:07 John Coogan? And some of them will become really big businesses as well. They have other stuff.
8:10 Jordi Hays? They have the mosquitoes right now.
8:12 John Coogan? The mosquitoes are crazy. That was a weird, weird headline. I didn't know.
8:16 Jordi Hays? I'm excited about I'm excited about releasing, you know, billions of genetically modified mosquitoes into the environment to try to kill all the mosquitoes.
8:26 John Coogan? Wait, there are mosquitoes that kill mosquitoes?
8:28 Jordi Hays? Don't they?
8:28 John Coogan? That what they do?
8:28 Jordi Hays? Yeah, they, they.
8:29 John Coogan? Oh, okay. They're like infernal or something, basically.
8:31 Jordi Hays? Yeah, I'm, I'm, I agree. Uh, I'm excited because there's, there's like, almost certainly could never possibly be any unexpected
8:38 John Coogan? Yeah.
8:39 Jordi Hays? downside to disrupting the circle of life.
8:42 John Coogan? Who knows? Who knows? People have been studying this for like 20 years, so, uh, I'm, I'm optimistic, but it could be a fast
8:48 Jordi Hays? It's one of those things, like, yeah, one of those things would be amazing.
8:51 John Coogan? Yeah.
8:51 Jordi Hays? If we can just nuke all the mosquitoes
8:53 John Coogan? Yeah.
8:53 Jordi Hays? off the map, but I got a feeling they're doing something important.
8:57 John Coogan? Yeah. Should we be selling the bug repellent industry short right now? Should we be going turbo short all mosquito repellent companies? They're probably going to go out of business if they get rid of all the mosquitoes, right? This is, uh, Finance 101 right here. Anyway, I can keep reading.
9:13 Jordi Hays? Don't, don't give our little retail trader there any ideas.
9:17 John Coogan? He's gonna go short. Uh, while 80 billion is huge, it amounts to less than 2% of the market value of a company trading at 4.5 trillion dollars. The stock was down just 2.6% in pre-market trading. Uh, there seems to be an unlimited supply of willing buyers to fund AI. If it turns out there is a limit, Alphabet can only benefit by going first. From a societal standpoint, says the Wall Street Journal, the purpose of the stock market is to funnel money from millions of savers into giant projects, just as in the 19th century railroads. For the past 25 years, that role has been less important as private capital funds grew large enough to finance companies for much longer before they needed to go public. AI's vast consumption of cash is beyond even the capability of private markets, however.
10:00 John Coogan? Sure, there are other reasons to list, such as allowing employees to cash out their stock options. 30 billion, you mentioned this earlier today, 30 billion of Alphabet's stock issuance is earmarked for paying tax on employee stock awards. Um, but the ability to tap stock market capital is important again after a quarter century of being all but irrelevant. As we move into a new era of capital-heavy industries, the stock market stops being merely a way for private investors to exit, but an attractive source of capital. The bear in me worries that all this equity raising is also about taking advantage of record stock prices and could be a sign of the top. is near, says the Wall Street Journal.
10:37 Jordi Hays? In the Journal today, Berkshire is convinced the American dream of home ownership will stay alive. Berkshire is convinced the American dream of home ownership will stay alive.
10:47 John Coogan? Let's go.
10:48 Jordi Hays? Under its new chief executive Greg Abel, Berkshire raises its bet on a market recovery by adding another housing company to its portfolio.
10:56 John Coogan? Fantastic.
10:57 Jordi Hays? Berkshire Hathaway's $6.8 billion deal to acquire, what are you laughing at?
11:02 John Coogan? I'm just laughing at the fact that like, like, you know, they did two $10 billion deals. And one was buying like an entire home builder and the other was buying like 0.01% of Google. And just the scale of these different things, like it's an extremely cool deal. We'll get into it. It's very interesting, but at the same time, it's like total peanuts compared to like the AI build out.
11:22 Jordi Hays? Well, yeah.
11:23 John Coogan? It's like, what is that?
11:24 Jordi Hays? Potentially like a work harder or work smarter, not harder moment. Like we'll see which one of these ends up generating a better return.
11:30 John Coogan? This seems extremely important. I'm extremely excited.
11:32 Jordi Hays? Yeah, yeah.
11:32 John Coogan? But this is like, like, like one data center or an entire home builder that is their entire business and probably very storied. We'll get into it.
11:39 Jordi Hays? Well, we don't know. He might be pivoting it into a data center.
11:44 John Coogan? Maybe.
11:44 Jordi Hays? That would be the ultimate.
11:45 John Coogan? Maybe.
11:45 Jordi Hays? Blackmail.
11:46 John Coogan? Two by fours, Rackham, you know, Meta's using tents, maybe the next data center looks like a house, a lot less controversial. You know, the NIMBY, if you just see a nice craftsman home next to you, you're like, ah, whatever. It looks nice, you know? I don't, I don't have a problem with that, you know? Oh, their chimney smoking? That's the diesel generator.
12:03 Jordi Hays? There's a data center among us.
12:05 John Coogan? This might be the solution. Tyler, what you got?
12:06 Speaker 02 I was gonna say, um, like these two deals are still small compared to like the actual cash that they're holding.
12:11 John Coogan? Yeah, what do they have?
12:12 Speaker 02 I think most recently it was 397 billion.
12:15 John Coogan? That's so much.
12:16 Speaker 02 So even then it's like, oh, wow. You know, he's so white.
12:18 John Coogan? He's turbo long.
12:19 Speaker 02 Say, but you know, he's still cash Chad right now.
12:22 John Coogan? Oh, hopefully inflation doesn't get him. We'll see. Anyway, continue.
12:25 Jordi Hays? With an all cash agreement Sunday for Taylor Morrison Home Corporation, the Omaha based conglomerate is poised to become a top five US home builder. Adding to its growing portfolio of housing related companies. Berkshire's home builder deal is a sign that a prominent investor thinks the housing slump will eventually pass and it wants to be positioned to take advantage of any market turn. More than 75% of young renters still think they someday will own a home. That is great. Glad that.
12:54 Jordi Hays? I would have thought it was less than that, given like sentiment online, and so it's great.
12:59 John Coogan? There's been a bunch of weird studies where like, when you zoom out, you look at Gen Z homeownership and it's actually pretty high, but that's driven by non-coastal cities because people move to San Francisco, obviously, house prices are through the roof, and a lot of people are like, "Yeah, I want to rent and go to some local house party. Like, I want to be in the mix." And then, at some point, people make the decision. So, it's more about like, family planning, but of course, there's all sorts of affordability issues.
13:28 Jordi Hays? This investment is grounded in a long-term belief in the strength of America's housing market and its underlying fundamentals, which we see as enduring over time. Berkshire is raising its exposure to a housing market in its fourth year of dismal sales. High mortgage rates, job market uncertainty, and the rising cost of living have kept many prospective buyers on the sidelines. Builders have been forced to offer incentives such as paying part of buyers' mortgage costs just to unload their inventory. Builder confidence is low. Single-family home starts declined 9% in April, the steepest drop since August. A third of builders said they had cut their prices last month. Moreover, many Americans now think homeownership is beyond their budget. More people are renting for longer, or putting their savings into the stock market rather than investing in a home. Analysts say the
14:12 Jordi Hays? US housing shortage of more than 4 million homes means new homes need to be built. They expect more buyers will return to the market once mortgage rates, which recently hit a nine-month high, come down and trigger pent-up buyer demand. Berkshire has agreed to pay a 24% premium to Taylor Morrison's closing stock price of $58.58.
14:31 John Coogan? That's an incredible bargain.
14:33 Jordi Hays? On Friday. Analysts see the price as a good deal for Berkshire because the actual value of the builder's home portfolio bellies its lagging stock price. "That is an incredible bargain," says Tony Avila, chief executive of Builder Advisor Group.
14:46 John Coogan? See this quote by Warren Buffett? This is the first deal for Abel, Greg Abel, the new CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, and Warren Buffett said, gave a quote to the Journal, "He has launched." Yeah, it's launched. I love it. On Monday, then they talk about the Google deal. Taylor Morrison is a safer bet in a precarious home building market. The company tends to focus on the higher end of the market, which has performed better. A significant part of its business is built around buyers looking to upgrade to nicer homes rather than entry level buyers who are struggling the most. In addition, the company is part of a smaller segment of builders that have leaned into so called build to rent communities of single family homes constructed for the sole purpose of renting. Congress recently threatened build to rent developers with a proposal that would force them to sell their properties within seven years of building them.
15:29 John Coogan? But House lawmakers removed that proposal in an attempt to rescue the burgeoning sector. The Taylor Morrison deal is the latest example of consolidation in the residential construction industry. Last month, Avalon Bay Communities and Equity Residential agreed to merge in the largest multifamily combination on record years after sluggish profits. This puts pressure on others to find a dance partner, says Alan Ratner. Interesting. Well, we'll continue following up on that.
15:56 Jordi Hays? Well, let's head over to James Walker.
15:58 John Coogan? Okay, what's James Walker up to?
15:59 Jordi Hays? He's boarding this morning's flight with an emotional support trout.
16:04 John Coogan? Is this AI? Is this real? This is insane.
16:07 Jordi Hays? Honestly, I don't think AI could nail this era of Instagram filter.
16:12 John Coogan? Bringing a, is the fish alive? This is crazy. Bringing a fish on a plane is hilarious. And that does not feel very humane. It feels like a very uncomfortable situation for a fish, but I guess we gotta get somewhere. You gotta go, you gotta go in the tube.
16:29 Jordi Hays? Think about it, though, John. Think about the things this fish will have seen that many fish would never see in a lifetime.
16:35 John Coogan? Yeah.
16:36 Jordi Hays? Is it inhumane? Or is it inhumane not to let the fish?
16:39 John Coogan? Yeah. If you got a trout, it's like, I think the earth is flat. I've never seen the curvature. You're like, well, you're going into 747 and I'm showing you out the window.
16:49 Jordi Hays? This was a good post from Key. He said, this dude is effing Sherlock Holmes.
16:57 John Coogan? Okay.
16:57 Jordi Hays? Somebody says, 100% this ad is sponsored by OpenAI from
17:04 John Coogan? The OpenAI official account.
17:05 Jordi Hays? From the official OpenAI account. It's not even sponsored. This ad is posted by OpenAI.
17:10 John Coogan? It's just comms. It's not even marketing. It's just communications.
17:15 John Coogan? This is a wild, this is a wild post. It's so funny. Terrence Tao, AI creates more room to experiment, test unexpected paths and discover what might otherwise stay out of touch. Terrence Tao, goat mathematician from UCLA, very fun to see him. Talking about his process, where he's still seeing value, how he's using models. He talks about this a lot, a lot of times. It just allows him to flesh out his work, build a chart that he wouldn't otherwise build. Very synergistic, fully in like the centaur, centaur, centaur era. What else is going on in the timeline? Joe Weisenthal has something. The price of whey is going bananas. It's a protein crisis. This is not good. What's going on?
18:00 Jordi Hays? So, here's what's a little funny.
18:01 John Coogan? Okay, break it down.
18:01 Jordi Hays? We know why the price of whey is going bananas.
18:04 John Coogan? Same.
18:04 Jordi Hays? We don't need Joe to tell us. It's because Joe is going bananas on his whey consumption.
18:10 John Coogan? Oh, you think he's responsible directly?
18:12 Jordi Hays? He's like, we're all trying to figure out who did this.
18:15 John Coogan? He has been looking bigger.
18:16 Jordi Hays? Much bigger.
18:17 John Coogan? His traps specifically, they've been eating his head.
18:19 Jordi Hays? Yeah.
18:19 John Coogan? Yeah. And he has those Death Star delts on his, on the cap, on the shoulders. It's really, it's really crazy. And the lats, when he does the lat spread on Odd Lots, it gets, it gets aggressive. It's a little too much. So cool with the way, Joe. But here we have some news. In earlier May, in early May, a supplier delivered bad news to baking and beverage company Hello Amino. It had run out of whey protein. Canada-based Hello Amino uses the ingredient in all of the 30 high-protein baking mixes it sells. Founder Ali Swift found another supplier, but it means importing whey protein isolate from the US at a price that's 50% higher and due to increase again soon. The new whey protein delivered
19:01 John Coogan? other complications. It dried out the company's baking goods due to the manufacturer's different processing methods. That's true. A lot of different ingredients will change the. The output not always created equal. Our pancakes came out like sawdust, Swift said. The company plans to reformulate using different combination of proteins. Protein has really leaked into everything. I have not, I have not found, I, I, I've been surprised whenever I see the trend pieces about like proteins packed with everything. Everything has protein in it. I don't know, I haven't like, it hasn't snuck into that many of the things that I eat throughout the day. Like there isn't protein in my diet coke. I don't know what, I don't know what else I consume, but this whole trend of like protein packed like cereals and, and you know salads and lunches and dinners and protein packed pastas and stuff. I never really, I was kind of stuck with the normal stuff.
19:45 Jordi Hays? Yeah, the idea that, you know, if you eat one, you know, two to three, you know, solid meals a day, you have some protein that you also need to be snacking on protein.
19:55 John Coogan? Yeah.
19:55 Jordi Hays? In between, it's just insane.
19:57 John Coogan? Yeah.
19:57 Jordi Hays? It's completely unnecessary.
19:58 John Coogan? Uh, well, uh, I had another question come up from a friend of the show about, uh, why are companies filing IPOs confidentially? It's an interesting question and I sort of pull, tugged on the thread. Liz Hoffman was talking about this a little bit. So Anthropic confidentially submitted a draft S1 registration statement to the SEC, June 1st. That was yesterday. Liz Hoffman said, reminder that the ability to confidentially file an IPO was 2012 rule change meant to ease small companies, meaning less than a billion dollars of revenue into the markets. And it was later expanded to what we're, uh, it was later.
20:35 Jordi Hays? It was meant to be like, um, like a smoker name.
20:38 John Coogan? A smoker name. Let you talk to investors before you get out. Do we change the camera? But I, I, I, so she asked the question of like, what are we even doing here? And I was curious, like, what are we doing here? Like, why, why, why do all these companies file confidentially? And then the S1 comes out. This is what SpaceX did. It's not like Anthropic's unique in this. This is very much standard practice at this point, but how did we get here? And why is this good? Do I like this? I don't know. Let's find out. So, uh, first, the basics, uh, confidential IPO filing. It doesn't mean that you IPO in secret. It means the company submits a draft S1 to the SEC for private staff review, SEC employees. It's a smoke grenade. Yeah. Great analogy. Before releasing the prospectus on Edgar,
21:22 John Coogan? which then every hedge fund can download, anyone can download, it becomes public. So this lets companies run the SEC review process while keeping the sensitive financial details private. And there's a few reasons why you might want to do that. So any regulatory stumbling blocks can be dealt with in advance. And so the final filing is clean and ready to go. SpaceX did the same thing, filing a draft submission confidentially before the public S1 dropped a week or two ago. After the 2008 financial crisis, this is where this all starts. There's a lot of regulation that results from the fallout. Sarbanes-Oxley is the main one. And the financial markets slowly built back and started opening up as the economy rebuilt. So post Dodd-Frank, post Sarbanes-Oxley, you get a lot of regulation.
22:05 John Coogan? And then over the next few decades, certain pieces get relitigated, renegotiated, and different paths open up to slightly less regulatory burdensome pathways in the financial markets. And so before 2012, the S1 became public early in the process, which was great for journalists who wanted to report on IPOs. It wasn't really that beneficial to very many other people, but it raised the stakes for companies because if anything was off, it could result in a botched IPO, which would be damaging for morale. You know, you hear that your company filed publicly and immediately something comes up and you can't fix it, so then you have to pull back and it's seen as
22:47 Jordi Hays? Weakness.
22:48 John Coogan? Damaging. Seen as weakness. No one wants to be running a company that publicly failed to IPO. And so in 2012, the Jobs Act passed, and they created a new class of company with some relaxed filing requirements. These are called emerging growth companies. It's defined by the SEC. They're called EGCs. And EGCs were defined as any company with less than a billion in revenue. Later, it was inflation adjusted to be 1.235 billion. But that doesn't really matter, though, because in 2017, staff at the SEC, under Trump I, expanded the confidential filing flow to include all issuers, not just EGCs. So anyone, no matter how much your revenue was, you could go through this process. And so the Jobs Act was driven by Republicans, but broadly
23:29 John Coogan? And the 2017 change happened under Trump I, but again, it didn't face strong opposition. So private market investors like IPOs for liquidity. VCs love to come on the show and do a victory lap when they take a company public and it's great to return capital to LPs. And then on the other side, public market investors like access to more names. So it's sort of win-win. In 2017, this was a huge year for huge, large growth stage companies. These Decacorns, you had Uber, Airbnb, DoorDash, Palantir. They were all well past the billion dollar revenue threshold. But there was still a lot of uncertainty about how the market would value these companies because they had sort of new business models. There were some questions about different margin profiles, how the market would price these.
24:12 John Coogan? There weren't direct comps to Uber and Airbnb already in the market. Are you going to just trade Airbnb like it's a hotel chain? Not really. It's asset light. So the market needs to digest that and confidentially filing was beneficial. And it was encouraging to these companies to say, yeah, we'll go try the IPO thing because it's less burdensome. So.
24:31 Jordi Hays? Stripe should file confidentially for IPO, but then never actually go.
24:36 John Coogan? I think that's a Colson brother nightmare. I think they wake up in cold sweats. I took the company public. What happened?
24:41 Jordi Hays? No, I know, but it would be kind of funny to like confidentially file.
24:45 John Coogan? Yeah, just pull it back.
24:46 Jordi Hays? Let it, just let it just kind of sit there for another decade.
24:49 John Coogan? Troll, troll IPO. So the confidential filing rules were expanded again in 2025 under Trump II SEC staff to include other financial offerings. So new issuance of stock, other classes of securities, these things can be reviewed before going out in the market. This allows companies to test the waters on follow-on financings, spinoffs, other capital markets transactions. You can go and test the waters. So there's no question that companies are staying private longer. Everyone knows this. Private markets are incredibly deep, driven both by mega fundraises from the largest venture capital firms, crossover investors from like hedge funds coming into the market. And then also plenty of activity, plenty of activity from the hyperscalers and strategics who can write a $10 billion check into a private company, no problem.
25:32 John Coogan? So the end result is that the public markets have been, the public markets have been losing companies to private markets for years. Exchanges don't want this. Public markets investors don't want this. And so there's a huge demand to make, make going public less painful. Confidential filings don't fully obscure investor protections because all the traditional data needs to be released before any money changes hands. But it speeds up the time to market and increases coordination between private companies and their future shareholders in public markets. And so that's why companies are allowed to file confidentially. And I don't know, after reading that, I don't really have a problem with it. But you let us know. What do you think? Should it be illegal? Should it be straight to jail if you if you file confidentially? I don't know. We can roll it back.
26:14 Jordi Hays? Couple more notes before our first guest. Joe Weisenthal is reporting that on the eve of the IPO, SpaceX employees are organizing more than 1,000 current and former SpaceX employees have banded together to negotiate with wealth management firms for better pricing and access to sophisticated tax-saving financial products ahead of the IPO.
26:32 John Coogan? Interesting.
26:34 Jordi Hays? I imagine the wealth management firms are thrilled about this. One more note. Friday IPOs. Alibaba.
26:42 John Coogan? Okay.
26:43 Jordi Hays? Uber.
26:43 John Coogan? Ooh, big ones.
26:44 Jordi Hays? And Meta.
26:45 John Coogan? Oh.
26:46 Jordi Hays? All on Friday.
26:46 John Coogan? Okay, very interesting. I think there's gonna be a lot of fanfare. If the images in the S one were anything to judge, I think that like the actual coverage will be a spectacle. We will see Starbase in full force. It will be a lot of a lot of great entertainment and a pretty wild day, pretty wild day for the for the for financial history. OpenAI announced that they're breaking ground on Stargate, Michigan, a 1 gigawatt data center utilizing closed-loop cooling. And they're getting out ahead of the water, the water FUD. They say it uses water at the rate of a typical office building, creates thousands of union jobs.
27:25 Jordi Hays? Not an office building that I'm in.
27:25 John Coogan? No, I know you're drinking a lot of water. You're not drinking tap water. You're bringing in the glass bottled water potentially.
27:31 Jordi Hays? Aurora.
27:32 John Coogan? Aurora water.
27:33 Jordi Hays? Aurora's, you know, getting thousands of gallons a day.
27:37 John Coogan? AI pivot for Aurora? Filtering the water that goes into the data center? Make sure it's clean for the GPU?
27:43 Jordi Hays? Only.
27:44 John Coogan? I'm sure that there's a water filtering system. I'm sure that there is a water filtering system in these in these data centers.
27:50 Jordi Hays? In other OpenAI news,
27:51 John Coogan? What is going on?
27:52 Jordi Hays? There's now sites in Codex. You can turn work ideas, plans into interactive websites or apps.
27:58 John Coogan? Yeah.
27:59 Jordi Hays? Your team can explore, use and share. This is very cool. This is what you asked for?
28:03 John Coogan? Yes.
28:03 Jordi Hays? The first time you ever tried Codex.
28:05 John Coogan? It was my sort of like benchmark, my hello world test. Like, can I go on my phone into, into any of these AI apps and have it generate me a link to a website that I can share with a friend? Because I can generate a big deep dive text thread and I can share that link with someone. They can go in the app and see what I've been texting back and forth. That's very useful. You can generate an image and then you can save that to your camera or send that around. It's very portable. And when I demoed Meta AI, the latest launch, one of the suggested prompts is like vibe code a video game. And it actually does a really, really great job building a little miniature video game. And it gives you a link, but the link is like trapped within the Meta AI. I'm like, oh, we're so close.
28:49 John Coogan? It's such a minor thing to have a, to have an actual hosting service there. But I think that that's exciting for virality and something we'll see.
28:56 Jordi Hays? It'd be a bull market for simulators.
28:57 John Coogan? Yes, because you'll be able to, I mean, the, there are a lot of people who, you know, they, as much as they want the Mac Mini and the MacBook Pro with the lid cranked open at all times, they want to, you know, vibe code something or build something on their phone and then send that to a friend. And if they build something interactive, they want that to be shareable. And this is a, you know, exciting, exciting development.
29:21 Jordi Hays? Speaking of Meta, they had,
29:24 John Coogan? What's going on with Meta?
29:25 Jordi Hays? I think a pretty insane issue.
29:27 John Coogan? Oh yeah, is this real? I, I saw this and I was like, this cannot possibly be real, but it is in 404 media.
29:34 Jordi Hays? I've seen, I've seen a number of people that I know that have one word usernames.
29:38 John Coogan? That got, that got hacked?
29:39 Jordi Hays? Yeah.
29:40 John Coogan? Okay, so basically this is from 404 media. Hackers simply asked Meta AI to give them access to high profile Instagram accounts. It worked. I'm sure they're rolling it back. I'm sure they're on top of this, but the exploit shows the extreme risk of offloading technical support to AI. I guess the AI was able to deliver account recovery information to anyone who asked and it wasn't segmented. It didn't do the proper validation. Hackers say that they used Meta AI Chatbot to break into a high-profile Instagram account.
30:10 Jordi Hays? Here's a video of how it worked. We can pull it up.
30:12 John Coogan? Play that video.
30:13 Speaker 03 Hackers are stealing high-profile Instagram accounts using the easiest possible method. They're just asking Meta's AI Chatbot for access to the accounts. Here's how it worked. Basically, they started a chat with Meta's AI Chatbot and said, hey, I want access to a specific account. Please send a reset code to the hacker's email address.
30:33 Jordi Hays? What's that panting noise?
30:34 Speaker 03 And low and behold, Meta's AI Chatbot said-
30:36 John Coogan? That's not our soundboard. That's his soundboard.
30:38 Speaker 03 In the last 24 hours, we've seen some really high-profile accounts targeted this way. We saw Barack Obama's White House account get stolen. We saw a Space Force account get stolen.
30:46 John Coogan? So they were only targeting high-profile Instagram accounts? Do they go after yours, Jordy?
30:51 Jordi Hays? No, I'm not. I'm not in that league.
30:52 John Coogan? Oh, they came out of mine crazy. They were trying to steal my- Oh, it's insane. I was just getting bombarded because they were like, we gotta get this guy's Instagram account.
31:02 Jordi Hays? No, they were probably going for your dog's Instagram account.
31:04 John Coogan? Maybe. I think he still has more followers than me. Rest in peace, Gustavo. One of the best to ever do it.
31:11 Jordi Hays? Mike Isaac said, get ready to get even more annoyed by your cheapest friends because the Germinator is sharing that Apple readies iOS 27 service that will let users split bills for dinners, events by taking a photo of a receipt and assigning items to friends. This is annoying superintelligence that I won't be using. This will be part of Apple Wallet and Cash, taking on Venmo and Splitwise.
31:38 John Coogan? You gotta do the credit card roulette.
31:40 Jordi Hays? I love that game.
31:41 John Coogan? Or the inverse credit card roulette, where one person, you take out one credit card, they don't pay, so they get the free dinner and everyone else splits the bill. And everyone else pays like 10% more, but someone else got like a free dinner. So they get a great, you know.
31:54 Jordi Hays? And everyone got great company.
31:56 John Coogan? Yeah, but no, every dinner should be a ruthless game theoretic Nash equilibrium of everyone trying to drink exactly the same amount or buy the most expensive steak to one-up each other so that you don't get taken to the cleaners with an even split. You want to get your money's worth. So if you see someone ordering the porterhouse, you say, I'll have two porterhouses. Give me two porter houses. We're splitting this evenly, right? Oh, you got three glasses of wine?
32:21 Jordi Hays? Let's do another round.
32:21 John Coogan? I'll take 10.
32:22 Jordi Hays? But triple me up.
32:23 John Coogan? And I am having dessert. I'm having two desserts.
32:25 Jordi Hays? Yeah, I'm a big dessert guy.
32:26 John Coogan? I'm a big dessert guy, actually. I'll be taking it to go.
32:29 Jordi Hays? That's the buzz.
32:30 John Coogan? I'll be taking dessert.
32:31 Jordi Hays? Order lunch for tomorrow, too.
32:32 John Coogan? And I'd like a third porter house.
32:34 Jordi Hays? For lunch.
32:35 John Coogan? For lunch, tomorrow. Let's split the bill evenly. Don't, don't pull out your Apple intelligence on me. Don't do that. I, what's the crime? Having a porter house? Having two porter houses? Having three porter houses?
32:47 Jordi Hays? Four?
32:47 John Coogan? You're gonna, you're gonna divide that up with Apple intelligence?
32:49 Jordi Hays? Oh, you don't want-
32:50 John Coogan? Take a photo of your receipt.
32:51 Jordi Hays? You don't want one of your good friends to hit their macros today?
32:54 John Coogan? What are you trying to do here?
32:55 Jordi Hays? There's a whey protein shortage.
32:56 John Coogan? What's going on?
32:56 Jordi Hays? There's a whey protein shortage and you're saying I shouldn't order my second and third porter house?
33:01 John Coogan? What is going on?
33:01 Jordi Hays? When you know if I go to the store right now, whey's gonna be priced to the-
33:06 John Coogan? Let me have a porter house. Let me have three.
33:09 Jordi Hays? That's a good place to end it, folks.
33:11 John Coogan? Let me tell you about Ramp one more time. Time is money, say both. Easy to use corporate cards, bill pay, accounting, and a whole lot more.
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