Kylie & Demi Lovato on Wild Jonas Reunion, Manifesting Super Bowl Halftime & Swag Gap Marriages | Ep. 50

Kylie’s back for the Season 2 Premiere of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by CVS Health and guess what she’s changing in Season 2: f*&king nothing! New Year, same Kylie! She kicks things off by responding to a new comment about her swearing (1:18) and then gets right to a big NGL announcement about going to the Winter Olympics (2:30). Then, in honor of her mother-in-law Donna’s debut on ‘The Traitors’ Kylie attempts her best recap and weighs in on Donna’s story within the show and some viral clips (4:59). After that, in “Doomscroll of the Week,” Kylie debates whether she and Jason have a “swag gap” based on a new gen z trend about couples with varying levels of swag from both a fashion and personal perspective (8:02). She also gives an update on her breastfeeding journey with Finnie and how challenging it can be to pump and dump when traveling for work (10:54). Kylie also gives us her take on “Dry January” or “January” as she calls it (14:11). Then, since it’s our first episode of the year 2026, Kylie keeps the tradition going from last season and gives the Real Ones her official list of 2026 Ins & Outs. Spoiler alert: “hard pants” and “giving a f*%k” are definitely OUT this year (16:42). We then head out to NGL HQ Los Angeles to witness Kylie speak to yet another person she has no business speaking to: Demi Lovato! (25:33)!! Kylie comes to terms with sharing the studio with another Cowboys fan and asks Demi about her mom who was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader (26:30). Demi also gets into her new dance-pop era and her new album “It’s Not That Deep” including her and Kylie’s favorite tracks on the album and what the Lovatics can expect when she goes on tour this spring (29:28). Demi shares her enjoyment of playing Philly crowds and gets a cheesesteak rec from Kylie. Kylie asks Demi about her favorite songs to perform live (35:29) and also brings back a topic that Ed Sheeran brought up on NGL last season: which artist in their hometown would be the “cheat code” for the loudest crowd ever?! Kylie and Demi also look back at Demi’s insanely viral surprise appearance at the Jonas Brothers concert and what that was really like reuniting on stage after so many years (40:14). And speaking of the Jonas Brothers, Kylie asks Demi about her Disney Channel days and Demi reveals she most recently watched “Camp Rock” with her husband Jordan (47:40). Kylie also can’t help but check in for any inside scoop on “Camp Rock 3.” Lastly, Kylie asks Demi about her brand new cookbook coming out this March (55:15) and can’t resist asking her for her favorite dish, which leads us to very unexpected but very wonderful discussion about pickles. Demi also explains how much cooking now means to her as someone in recovery from an eating disorder (56:35). Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for even more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Demi! . . . Purchase NGL Merch: https://www.nglkylie.com Support the Show: CVS Health: Download the app at https://CVS.com/app Olipop: GET a FREE can of OLIPOP! Buy any 2 cans of OLIPOP in store, and they’ll pay you back for one! Shop at Walmart, Target, Whole Foods, and thousands of other retailers near you. Sign up at https://drinkolipop.com/NGL TurboTax: Now This is Taxes. Visit https://www.turbotax.com Only available with TurboTax Full Service Experts. Real-time updates only in iOS mobile app. Liquid IV: Go to https://liquidiv.com and get 20% off your first order with code NGL at checkout ZipRecruiter: Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ZipRecruiter.com/NGL Macy’s: Head to https://Macys.com or shop in store today Tickets for Demi Lovato’s It’s Not That Deep Tour are on sale now at https://demilovato.com/tour Pre-order Demi’s cookbook, out March 17th https://www.amazon.com/One-Plate-Time-Recipes-Finding/dp/125039344 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:16Speaker 01

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• 0:42Kylie Kelce?

  Not gonna lie. She was a traitor! She was a traitor!

• 0:51Kylie Kelce?

  Let's get this podcast started.

• 0:58Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back, Real Ones, to season two of Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original.

• 1:05Kylie Kelce?

  I purposely didn't full send it. I should've known. I should've fucking known. Welcome back, Real Ones, to season two of Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original, brought to you by CVS Health. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, and if you're new to the show this season, here's pretty much everything you need to know about me. I have a bunch of kids, a whole horde of children, four girls, to be exact. And no, we don't need to try for a boy, so suck my ass. My husband played for the Eagles for 13 years, but please, dear God, do not call me a wag. And I'm officially in year two of this podcast, where I talk about wiping kids' butts, issues important to women, and I get to speak to people that I have absolutely no business speaking to.

• 1:49Kylie Kelce?

  Now, you might be wondering, what's gonna change in season two? Fucking nothing, including the way I speak. Which, of course, brings me to the first point. Queen Emma is rage baiting me with a brand-new swearing complaint here. Why do the Kelsey family swear so much? At least Trevor and Kylie do, first of all. Who fucks Trevor? If you mean Travis, my brother-in-law.

• 2:16Kylie Kelce?

  You're fucking right, we do. Also, just keep scrolling. You literally don't. Once you, I really cannot emphasize this enough, once you interact with the content, you're going to continue getting the content and then you're going to continue getting me and Trevor swearing our asses off. Coming up on our season two premiere, since it's our first episode of 2026, I'm going to share my ins and outs for this year and spoiler alert, giving a fuck is definitely out for a second year in a row. Feels good. After that, I flew all the way out to LA to sit down with today's guest and I do it again, which is really saying something. She's a multi-platinum superstar with some of the

• 2:53Kylie Kelce?

  best pop hits ever. Guys, it's Demi Lovato. What? I know. I'm confused too. But before we get to all that, let's start off with our NGL announcements. First up, the real, real ones. Might have already seen the news. I'm going to the Winter Olympics and not only am I going, NGL is going. Yep, squad, roll out.

• 3:24Kylie Kelce?

  Appropriate usage. Okay, we're going to be taping two Olympic episodes right from Milan. This is...

• 3:35Kylie Kelce?

  The first one comes out February 19th. Queen Emma wants to know if I'm excited for Milan. That exhale you heard just a few words ago was me, I regularly have an experience on this podcast, similarly to announcing that we have interviewed Demi Lovato for this episode and all of the other guest announcements that we had the absolute pleasure of doing in season one. When I say the sentences, my brain is like, that was such a dumb sentence. That was silly. Events I'm looking forward to the most. I'm very, very excited to watch slope style, uh, snowboarding because I have personal investment now.

• 4:26Kylie Kelce?

  You'll see. I am very excited to watch ice skating because I could never. And speaking of the Winter Olympics and the things that I've teased now, we've been busy the past few weeks shooting two new episodes of FAFO with the help of YouTube, NBC, and some badass Olympians.

• 4:48Kylie Kelce?

  I know, silly sentence. Okay, you'll be able to watch me learn to curl. Yep, we went all the way to South Dakota, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and we got to learn how to curl.

• 5:04Kylie Kelce?

  It was incredible. That episode of FAFO is coming out on February 3rd on YouTube, and I just got back from taping the second one in Aspen. That's right. I returned to the scene of the crime. If you know, you know. I got to meet with Jamie Anderson, who was incredible. You'll be able to watch me eat shit countless times. We're literally going to have an eat shit counter. So like, just stay tuned for fun. All right, that's it for our NGL announcements. And now, in honor of my mother-in-law's debut on Traitors, I'm gonna attempt to recap it, which probably isn't gonna go well because I don't watch reality television.

• 5:48Kylie Kelce?

  And I didn't quite get around to watching all of the episodes yet that have been released. But in an attempt to be doing this in a timely manner, I do know how it went. A small disclaimer, I'm about to talk about Traitors, and I am not going to edit myself. So if you have not watched yet, which I suggest you do.

• 6:17Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, maybe skip ahead? So, what are my takeaways?

• 6:26Kylie Kelce?

  She was a traitor! Oh my God, can I tell you? There are so many things, like, if someone was like, guess what happened? Not in a mil- I don't know why that didn't even cross my mind that that was a possibility. I genuinely couldn't tell you. I don't know why that wasn't a possibility in my brain.

• 6:49Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe it's because of like, her naturally sweet disposition. I was like, she wouldn't. As if it's a choice.

• 6:56Kylie Kelce?

  That's not how that works. And Donna was a traitor. I'm not over this, and it's gonna take me a while to get over it.

• 7:05Kylie Kelce?

  I will say this. I have seen the clip many times now, on my doom scroll, of Donna's exit, which is when they put you on the little circle on the floor, and everyone has, because everyone voted and said, the most votes were for Donna, we think she's the traitor. And she stood on the little circle on the floor, and then it's basically the person's opportunity to reveal, right before they leave, whether or not they were faithful or a traitor.

• 7:38Kylie Kelce?

  And her little speech, right there?

• 7:44Kylie Kelce?

  You nailed that, Donna. You nailed that so hard. And she does like, the dramatic turn and walk off when everyone else is celebrating. You can see her in the back of the clip, like, turn and walk out of the doorway. Guys.

• 7:58Kylie Kelce?

  She nailed that. I have not gotten a chance to talk to Donna about it, yet.

• 8:05Kylie Kelce?

  Because I didn't watch the full episode. I wanna, I wanna make sure that I can dive into a full celebration of Donna's accomplishments. And my understanding is that there's some things that I have not seen in the clips, like challenges that she was involved in, that I would like to know before I text her about it.

• 8:27Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, is she gonna receive a whole paragraph? At minimum, but from what I've seen, she was a traitor and she fucking nailed it. Next up, doom scroll of the week. Doom scroll of the week is brought to you by Ollie Pop, a new kind of soda. First up on doom scroll, my algorithm has informed me of a new Gen Z trend called the swag gap. And I feel personally victimized. Can we end with a clip, please?

• 8:54Speaker 03

  The swag gap is a very real thing to me and it's something that I think about very frequently, like way more often than I probably should have in being honest. But like, how could I pull up somewhere in an outfit like this? Like low bun action, cute sunglasses, hoop earrings, are you seeing these shoes? Cargo, like how could I be wearing something like this and then show up with a guy who's in flip flops and a vest?

• 9:21Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, I can confirm it does exist.

• 9:26Kylie Kelce?

  I am the one bringing the team, uh, the team down. It's me, uh, it's not my husband. My husband, he's the one who's got the swag. When Jason and I first started dating, Jason would wear V-neck plain t-shirts. It was the same idea of if I like it, I'll just buy it in another color. That was Jason's MO. He would just wear the exact same shirt in a different color. And let me tell you, it hugged the biceps. It hung off the shoulders nicely and it also emphasized like how you just, it looked good. My husband, when we first started dating, disliked suits so badly.

• 10:10Kylie Kelce?

  But now because he has to sit the desk on Monday nights and he has to be a little more professional, he's wearing a suit on a very regular basis. And let me tell you something.

• 10:26Kylie Kelce?

  Don't ever ask yourself why we have four kids.

• 10:30Kylie Kelce?

  You know?

• 10:34Kylie Kelce?

  That's self-explanatory. Turn on ESPN on Monday night.

• 10:40Kylie Kelce?

  I said what I needed to say. Now, the swag gap for clothing

• 10:48Kylie Kelce?

  is one thing. He clearly has like a cooler swag to the way he dresses. Swag in general, like overall swag.

• 11:00Kylie Kelce?

  We've seen him dance, guys.

• 11:03Kylie Kelce?

  And I don't even need you to see me dance to know that's a low bar. And I will always knock him down a few pegs when it comes to him thinking he's

• 11:18Kylie Kelce?

  a good dancer.

• 11:25Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, I find it cute and endearing, but like, we've seen it. Okay, next. Like I said earlier, I just got back from a work trip. So this TikTok really hit close to home. Queen Emma.

• 11:38Kylie Kelce?

  The side of traveling for work, no one warns you about the pump and dump. Oh, she's dumping, oh my God, there's so many bottles of milk down the sink. Oh, and crying emojis. Oh, this hurts my soul. Coming from someone who is admittedly a bare minimum supplier. That's what I call myself because that is the truth of my breastfeeding journey. And it has been for all four children. Okay? This is not a self-deprecating situation. This is legitimately just me being realistic with how my breastfeeding has panned out for all of my children.

• 12:18Kylie Kelce?

  That being said, because we are weaning, Finn was, when we were away on the work trip, getting formula bottles.

• 12:28Kylie Kelce?

  I then had to pump and dump. Now,

• 12:33Kylie Kelce?

  coming especially from a bare minimum supplier who on a regular basis has been truly deeply disappointed with what was contained within the pump, once I took the pump off. To dump out three to four ounces aside?

• 12:52Kylie Kelce?

  Was like a dagger to the heart. It was. First of all. I would have this moment of pride where I was like, oh. And then right down the hotel sink, it went.

• 13:10Kylie Kelce?

  It's not, it's sad. I didn't want to get a clogged duct, which everybody knows sucks. I will say, one of my biggest tips for clogged ducts, which I think is something that I discovered when I had one with Wyatt. If you have a handheld shower head, you can turn it on the hardest setting possible and the hottest that you can handle it. And massage, yep, I'm saying this out loud

• 13:43Kylie Kelce?

  for the internet. And I'm going to finish my thought now because it's not going to stop me. You massage it down your boob towards your nipple and then get out of the shower and pump right away. Or feed the baby right away, but it would probably work better to pump right away.

• 14:01Kylie Kelce?

  You're welcome. Finn did finally cut, fully cut a tooth. There is one, one, just one tooth, one tooth right at the bottom. And last night she had something in her mouth and I thought for a second that she was cutting a tooth on the top. And I got so sad because if you know, you know, when there is a baby with only two teeths, two teeths, I say teeths for a reason because if you look at them, it's, they're not teeth. That would be ridiculous. They're teeths. Everybody knows that. Right at the bottom.

• 14:37Kylie Kelce?

  I genuinely, it is a phase I am not ready to miss out on, on our fourth kid. But also, stay away from my nipples. Anyway, the last thing on doom scroll, we're in the midst of what the kids call, the kids.

• 14:53Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, God.

• 14:56Kylie Kelce?

  The kids call dry January. Or as I call it, January. Queen Emma, roll it.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  I think we earned a beer tonight. I know it's dry January and I know it's the eighth, but I think we earned a beer tonight. We've been working out really good. We've been working really hard, really busy. And.

• 15:15Kylie Kelce?

  You said the eighth. It's the eighth.

• 15:19Kylie Kelce?

  He said, I know it's the eighth. I know early eight, I know we're one day over a weekend is what he said. Giving up on Dry January, on the eighth of January.

• 15:37Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, you're a quarter of the way there. If Jason were to try it.

• 15:43Kylie Kelce?

  It depends. It depends. In January, I feel like there are celebrations and people are traveling for playoffs.

• 15:58Kylie Kelce?

  I feel like January is iffy, but if you picked a different month of the year.

• 16:05Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe like a March. Solid chance. Oh, no, St. Patty's Day.

• 16:13Kylie Kelce?

  February has the Super Bowl. Maybe April. I myself have absolutely no feelings about Dry January because

• 16:24Kylie Kelce?

  I don't drink. There is so many people who will comment on things or even slide into my DMs and be like, I just want to have a wine night with you, or I just want to have a beer with you.

• 16:36Kylie Kelce?

  I'm so sorry to disappoint you all.

• 16:41Kylie Kelce?

  But I don't really drink. My go to at a bar, a fully stocked bar specifically, is always going to be a Shirley Temple. But apparently.

• 16:55Kylie Kelce?

  Apparently now I don't even have to leave my house for a Shirley Temple. Yep. I'm just as shocked as you are. Ollie Pop just introduced their brand new flavor. Shirley Temple.

• 17:09Kylie Kelce?

  Guys, it's like we manifested it. Your inner trial will be grinning ear to ear. It says, stay tuned and I'll try it. That's it for doom scroll of the week brought to you by Ollie Pop. Now let's move on to the second annual edition of my new year's ins and outs. Brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. Now this is taxes. Now I realize this is an older trend. I also realize it's January 15th and it's late as fuck to be doing this. But guess what? I don't care. We're doing it anyway. Here are my top five ins and outs for 2026. Starting with my ins. Number one, and we'll kick it off with something real controversial. Kittens and puppies. That's right.

• 17:51Kylie Kelce?

  I am definitely looking to add things to our home.

• 17:59Kylie Kelce?

  Will it be a kitten? Will it be a puppy? If Jason has anything to do with it, it'll be neither. Number two, not leaving the house.

• 18:08Kylie Kelce?

  Guys,

• 18:12Kylie Kelce?

  just let's not, let's collectively decide not to, and then we won't have to meet each other out. You know what I'm saying? Number three, mom and dad, no kids time. Okay. Big deal. We gotta try for more date nights. Or maybe a trip together. Who knows? But you know what I do know?

• 18:32Kylie Kelce?

  I know what came the last time mom and dad went on a no kids trip. So you know what else is in contraception? Okay. Number four, bagel sandwiches. Technically, they've been in every year, but

• 18:46Kylie Kelce?

  there are a few better ways to start your day than a bagel Sammy. Let me tell you. Number five, flipping the bird. Very in for 2026. Guys, it's the most direct way to just let people know. Okay. Maybe even a double bird. Cause the more the merrier. Okay. The best part about flipping the bird? It's right there. You don't, you're not questioning where you stand with me. Right there. Okay. Fuck it. And I said that with my whole chest. Sometimes it's playful. Sometimes it's serious.

• 19:25Kylie Kelce?

  That's for you to decide. Bonus ins that just missed the cut. Bugs, because you know I love bug hunts. ADHD, because I can't help that. Turtles, because Queen Emma made this list.

• 19:41Kylie Kelce?

  And room temperature water. Big in.

• 19:46Kylie Kelce?

  Big on room temperature water.

• 19:49Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe it should have been an in.

• 19:52Kylie Kelce?

  You get it. Outs. Number one, hard pants. This is the easiest one. I don't even think it needs an explanation. If I have to button them, should I be wearing them? That's a good question to ask yourself. Number two, crop tops. Cut it out. Stop, stop. Every brand that is only offering crop tops now. Kiss my ass. And my belly button, because you can see it. Hi Patricia. Hello. How are you? Are you good? Are you? Oh. Are you in for 2026? You're in. You're so in. Beards. Beards. Bearded ladies in for 2026. Patricia said that.

• 20:40Kylie Kelce?

  Crop tops? Can you go? But can you go lay down? Because I can see your nose. Thanks lady. Number three, acting professional. This is an out, because over here, we are the most unprofessional professionals you will ever meet. Okay? I have said suck my ass on our sales calls.

• 21:00Kylie Kelce?

  More than once. Number four, cooking with toddlers.

• 21:07Kylie Kelce?

  I've had enough of this. I've had it. If the mess was worth the end result. The end result being that they actually eat the meal. I would do it every day of the week. But you do one make your own pizza night.

• 21:25Kylie Kelce?

  Get through the entire process. Bake the pizzas. And then they look at you and tell you they're not eating it?

• 21:34Kylie Kelce?

  You might flip the script to number five, once again, for the second year in a row, giving a single fuck. It's out. It is out. And by giving a single fuck being out, I mean, giving a single fuck about things you cannot control. Okay, let go relinquish it. But also, give a fuck about the things that matter. Okay, bye. Bonus outs that just missed the cut. Dallas, because fuck them. Sorry, Demi and Kelly. The word bitch, except when baby back is in front of it. Los Angeles, out. Guys, what are we doing out there?

• 22:17Kylie Kelce?

  That does it for my 2026 ins and outs brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. Coming up, we're going to LA to meet Demi Lovato. In the meantime, some messages from me. If you're a real one, you already know I'm a lifelong germaphobe and living in a house with four children, six and under, a large dog and my husband. It forces me to confront that phobia on a daily basis. I've seen some disgusting things in my household. I mean, I have one child who every single time she goes to the bathroom, I have to remind her to actually wipe. I said what I said. The other day Wyatt asked me why we go through hand soap so, so quickly. I thought that was obvious, but I did explain it to her. Fortunately, the CBS Health app has me covered so I can mount our family's defense against

• 23:02Kylie Kelce?

  germs, especially during cold and flu season. Things I'm getting on the app are the standards. Okay, you got the disinfectant wipes, you got hand sanitizer, because you're going to use that in the car. And so you can get to the sink and use hand soap, which I also get on the app. Why are you between me and the desk right now? What are you doing? You are 120 pounds. Get out. Thank you. I love you. I see you. I get it. I will let you out in a minute. You can also check your prescription status on the go. And CVS will tell me the moment my prescription is ready, which is important because you can't go into a store and waste time with kids. You gotta be in and out efficient. Go to CVS.com backslash app to learn more and download the app today.

• 23:47Kylie Kelce?

  I'm very excited to talk about our next partner, Ollie Pop. They have a brand new flavor that happened to be one of my official ins of 2025, but really every year. It's a Shirley Temple. I've been waiting for this moment to try it for the very first time on camera for the real ones. I'm not kidding. I legitimately have avoided tasting this until we could do it right now.

• 24:12Kylie Kelce?

  That's very good. This helps us accomplish one of our ins for 2026, which is not leaving the house. Now you don't have to leave the house to get a good Shirley Temple. We have it at home and it's delicious. I've been a fan of Shirley Temples for pretty much my entire life. I still remember going to Alligators in Ardmore, if you know, you know. And they would, we would get to have a Shirley Temple there, which was like a really special treat. Now that I'm an adult, one of the perks of being an adult is that you're allowed to have treats whenever you want. Their Shirley Temple is made with real ingredients, less sugar, and has prebiotic fiber to support gut health. You can try Ollie Pop's new Shirley Temple flavor right now. And get this, you can get a free can of Ollie Pop.

• 24:53Kylie Kelce?

  Buy any two cans of Ollie Pop in store and they'll pay you back for one. Shop at Walmart, Target, Whole Foods, and thousands of other retailers near you. Sign up at drinkolipop.com backslash NGO. As a football family, we all know that real season's around here. There's the regular season, postseason, preseason, and offseason. And of course, can't forget about the good old tax season. And as a former athlete myself and the spouse of a professional athlete, I think I can confidently say there's nothing more important than having someone in your corner, especially during tax season. You can match with a dedicated TurboTax expert who actually has your back and can do your taxes for you from start to finish, either online or now in person. Whether you do your taxes

• 25:38Kylie Kelce?

  Is in person or online, your TurboTax expert takes taxes fully off your plate and will update you every step of the way. So you don't have to worry. That way you can actually get back to the things that matter to you, like eating personal chocolate cakes, listening to Demi Lovato's new album, or watching my mother-in-law on Traitors. Taxes don't keep business hours, and neither does TurboTax. TurboTax full-service experts are available 24/7. Now this is taxes. Visit www.turbotax.com. Only available with TurboTax full-service experts. Real-time updates only in iOS mobile app. She's a multi-platinum Grammy-nominated sensation behind some of the best pop bangers of all time, like Sorry Not Sorry, Cool for the Summer, and Confident. She just put out

• 26:22Kylie Kelce?

  a new album called It's Not That Deep, and you can see her on tour this spring. She's also an actor-producer, and now she's officially Not Gonna Lie. Demi Lovato, welcome to the show.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 26:34Kylie Kelce?

  I am so excited to talk to you. I mean, your music is, every single time it comes on, it's an absolute bop, which is probably cringe of me to say, because I think bop is probably out by now.

• 26:45Speaker 05

  No more cringe, who cares?

• 26:46Kylie Kelce?

  Right? Okay, it's a bop.

• 26:48Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 26:49Kylie Kelce?

  They are just so, like, they're just, like, a good time. And like, every time they come on, I feel like I like know every word, and I sing along, and it's just, it's delightful. All of your music.

• 27:01Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 27:02Kylie Kelce?

  Now, before we get into anything, this show is called Not Gonna Lie, so I actually have to call myself out for a second. I had Kelly Clarkson on the show, and I told her that she was the only Cowboys fan I'd ever have on.

• 27:17Kylie Kelce?

  But now that you're here, I think we need to amend that. Just for the listeners, your mom was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.

• 27:28Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 27:29Kylie Kelce?

  So I'm going to, I'm gonna give a free pass here.

• 27:33Speaker 05

  Give me a free pass, because I don't actually watch football.

• 27:37Kylie Kelce?

  So what you're saying is you could be swayed.

• 27:39Speaker 06

  I could, I'm, I'm not saying I could be swayed. It's in my blood and it's like, my family loves the Cowboys. And so therefore I, you know, like grew up around the Cowboys.

• 27:49Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect.

• 27:50Speaker 06

  Obviously, like, you know, yeah, understandable. Um, we're a Cowboys family, but I don't actually, and I've never watched the games.

• 28:01Kylie Kelce?

  I can live with this. Kelly came on here like pulling stats and I was like, hey.

• 28:05Speaker 06

  No, no, that's not me.

• 28:07Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. Okay. And what I will say is, is that I recently got, I don't know if it was a comment that tagged me or a DM where someone was trying to figure out whether or not them watching the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders show.

• 28:20Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 28:21Kylie Kelce?

  Was sacrilegious for an Eagles fan.

• 28:23Speaker 06

  Is it?

• 28:24Kylie Kelce?

  And I was like, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. So maybe.

• 28:29Speaker 06

  I feel like it's separate.

• 28:30Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe you could weigh in.

• 28:31Speaker 06

  Okay. My opinion, there's like, there's so much history with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders.

• 28:38Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 28:39Speaker 06

  And, and my mom like invested so much of her time and energy into, um, that job. And she, that was like her pride and soul. And so like, I feel like if you can appreciate the,

• 28:55Speaker 06

  if you can appreciate the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders for being amazing at what they do.

• 29:00Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 29:01Speaker 06

  I feel like it.

• 29:02Kylie Kelce?

  You can separate it a little.

• 29:03Speaker 06

  You can separate it. Yeah.

• 29:03Kylie Kelce?

  Okay. There, there it is. You can separate it a little. And with that, I say, go Burt's. Because balance. Um, it will not be me watching the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders show because it does still feel a little fucked up to me, but I'm gonna leave that one alone. I'm gonna leave that one alone.

• 29:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:18Kylie Kelce?

  Honestly, it is so impressive what they do.

• 29:21Speaker 06

  It's so impressive. And my mom would tell me stories of like, how difficult it was to like, be on the field in a hundred and 10 degree weather and not being able, this was back in the day of like, not being able to like have frequent water breaks or crazy things like that.

• 29:39Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 29:39Speaker 06

  Where it's like, it's different now. They put her through a lot, but it was all in the best way. Like.

• 29:44Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 29:44Speaker 06

  Just hard work, hard work, you know?

• 29:47Kylie Kelce?

  They were out there being athletes too.

• 29:48Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly.

• 29:50Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. I can't do, I can't do it. I'm not gonna do it. You guys can do it though. Um, because you gotta respect the art. Like, it really is, like, the performance of it is impressive.

• 29:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:00Kylie Kelce?

  It's not gonna be me.

• 30:03Kylie Kelce?

  Well, now that we have that figured out, I've been so excited to talk to you about your music because huge fan, like I said, and we just got treated to even more music with your new dance pop album. It's not that deep.

• 30:15Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 30:16Kylie Kelce?

  What is your personal favorite song from the new album?

• 30:18Speaker 06

  Kiss like is just so fun to me that and it like embodies what the album is where it's like, it's not, I'm not taking myself too seriously. I'm having fun with it. It's sexy. It's flirty. And so I think Kiss is probably like my favorite of the, from the album, but I also love Frequency. I also love Ghost. Ghost was like an emotional moment, let you go. Like I, I'm, it's hard to pick a favorite when

• 30:47Kylie Kelce?

  It's like picking your favorite child.

• 30:48Speaker 06

  It's like picking, I mean, I don't have children, so I can't say, but

• 30:52Kylie Kelce?

  But you know, it's wrong for people to pick their favorite child. That's what I've been told. I have four daughters. I've been told it's wrong to pick your favorite child. Nobody has favorites, guys. Depends on the day.

• 31:05Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I, sorry to myself is so

• 31:10Speaker 06

  And that one too, that one's great too. I love that.

• 31:12Kylie Kelce?

  I love that one. And I also love the way that you've done it on TikTok because it just feels like so like it's every single time it pops up, I'm like, I'll go listen to it real quick. Because it, you, you, you have to scratch the itch. Is it true that you started writing this as a rock album and then switched it up?

• 31:31Speaker 06

  Yes. So when I first started working on this project, I was coming out of my last album.

• 31:40Speaker 06

  Holy fuck. Can you say that? Or should I just say holy? Okay.

• 31:44Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, we say a lot of bad words. You say whatever the fuck you want.

• 31:49Speaker 06

  So I was coming off of my last album, Holy Fuck, and that was like, I was in my rock era and I was like, all right, let's go. And I was like, let's go even harder. Like, let's go even more rock with it. And as I started working on it, I was like in this relationship, very, very happy. And like, I found it really difficult to write happy rock songs. Like normally they're, you know, they're just like really emotionally driven and, and here I am in this place in my life where I'm just like having fun and it's very lighthearted and.

• 32:27Speaker 06

  And then, so I decided, I was like, okay, maybe I should switch the vibes. So I started trying on a few different genres and different sounds and ultimately like what matched my emotions. This album was the pop and dance sound that was kind of, that was just cohesive with what I was, what's going on in my personal life. And like, I'm having fun. I'm, you know, newly married. Life is awesome and I don't really have anything to be angry about right now. And so I'm not writing, you know, music that's very angry.

• 33:08Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 33:09Speaker 06

  And it's just interesting how you think an album is gonna start. When you think of an album and how it starts to where it actually ends up is really fascinating. And something that I love about making music.

• 33:22Kylie Kelce?

  And now you're taking this new album and all of your music on tour this spring. You can get your tickets now at demi lavato.com backslash tour. How do you feel about one of your earliest stops on the tour, which is Philly?

• 33:37Speaker 06

  How do I feel about it?

• 33:38Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 33:38Speaker 06

  I'm excited.

• 33:39Kylie Kelce?

  Are you?

• 33:40Speaker 06

  I have great memories in Philly.

• 33:41Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, good.

• 33:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like, I did, I ran the stairs like Rocky.

• 33:46Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 33:46Speaker 06

  Like I've done that. I just, I also just have played Philly a million times and, or what feels like a million times and, and I have like good memories there. But like, I have this one. Yeah, I have this one memory of me running on a tour stop and like, I ran through the streets of Philly and it was cool.

• 34:06Kylie Kelce?

  Did you?

• 34:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:08Kylie Kelce?

  Because Philly is a great place to go and everybody knows that.

• 34:12Speaker 06

  You know what I'm dying to have is like a really good Philly cheesesteak.

• 34:15Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. Okay.

• 34:16Speaker 06

  So tell me where to go.

• 34:18Kylie Kelce?

  Angelo's is where you need to go.

• 34:19Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 34:20Kylie Kelce?

  Angelo's is like the current, if you look it up, everyone's saying that Angelo's is the frontrunner.

• 34:26Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 34:27Kylie Kelce?

  It's very, very good. And I feel very strongly about this, that you might like Angelo's.

• 34:32Speaker 06

  Okay, I'm gonna try it.

• 34:34Kylie Kelce?

  Please do.

• 34:35Speaker 06

  I'm gonna try it when I go on tour, when I'm there. Yeah.

• 34:39Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, you tell me, I'll meet you there.

• 34:41Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 34:43Speaker 06

  Do you wanna come to the show in Philly?

• 34:46Kylie Kelce?

  Try to stop me.

• 34:49Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 34:49Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, absolutely. Oh, a thousand percent.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  Oh, good.

• 34:54Kylie Kelce?

  No, what can we expect to see on this tour?

• 34:57Speaker 06

  Definitely a big show.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  And songs from my newest album, It's Not That Deep, but also songs from my catalog that are older. It's just, it's about having fun. I want to have fun. And we're at the fun process, right? Like, we're, or the fun part of the process where it's like, we have a blank slate in front of us and, you know, I have yet to see what the stage is going to look like. I have yet to see what my outfits are going to look like. And, um, and like the collaboration process in all of that, you know, working with my incredible stylist and creative director.

• 35:40Speaker 06

  And like, so I have yet to like, I don't have any inside scoop, but what I can tell you is that I'm bringing Adella on the road with me. And she is just so talented. So like, she's, I heard this quote that was like, she's your favorite pop star's favorite pop star. And it's so true. She's just so cool.

• 36:02Kylie Kelce?

  I'm so excited. Well, speaking of performing, I was just watching you absolutely crush it on New Year's Rockin' Eve.

• 36:08Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 36:09Kylie Kelce?

  Out of all of your songs, do you have a favorite one that you like to perform live?

• 36:14Speaker 06

  I love doing Cool for the Summer. It's like challenging enough vocally to where it's fun, but it's not challenging to a point where it's stressful. So like, there's no like crazy, super high note, like in Sorry Not Sorry, where I'm like, oh, God, am I going to hit it this time? It's kind of like hard enough to where it's fun to sing, but it's not. Stressful and so I love Cool for the Summer and then I also just have like so many good memories to that song and so it's just so fun.

• 36:43Kylie Kelce?

  Now, we mentioned Kelly Clarkson earlier. I actually asked her.

• 36:46Speaker 06

  I love Kelly Clarkson.

• 36:48Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, don't worry, we're gonna get there because I heard that your email address was [email protected]. Is that true?

• 36:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, the the the little was spelled with D's because little Kelly was already taken.

• 37:03Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 37:04Speaker 06

  Um, so it was little Kelly, but I was so obsessed with Kelly Clarkson when I was a kid that I um made my email address Little Kelly.

• 37:15Kylie Kelce?

  I love that so much. Uh, does Kelly know that that happened?

• 37:18Speaker 06

  She does.

• 37:19Kylie Kelce?

  And how does she feel about that? Because I feel like that's.

• 37:22Speaker 06

  I think she's flattered.

• 37:23Kylie Kelce?

  Right?

• 37:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, I I was on her show and I told her when I did her show and then I recently saw her for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Um, and I told her again and she was like, I know you told me and I was like, okay, I'm just making sure you know, because I'm obsessed with you and.

• 37:40Kylie Kelce?

  Now, one of the things that I asked Kelly, which brings me to you saying like the challenging vocal songs that you have. I am not musically inclined whatsoever and I just want to know how it feels

• 37:55Kylie Kelce?

  deep in your soul when you hit the note that you like a really challenging song when you hit it and you fucking nail it.

• 38:13Speaker 06

  It feels so good.

• 38:14Kylie Kelce?

  The most satisfying, I feel, my brain has told me.

• 38:18Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 38:18Kylie Kelce?

  That must be one of the most satisfying things that you can experience.

• 38:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, it really is. It really, really is. It's um, it's visceral, you know, like you're I'm when I sing and I hit the high notes, it's not just because I can get up there and I want to show off what I can do with my voice. It's like the passion and the intensity behind what I'm saying means so much to me and it like it's so powerful that it just it truly is visceral when I when I'm able to like hit a note that. In the studio or on stage or whatever, like, or sometimes in the shower, like, I just, it's such a good feeling. It's right up there with sex and chocolate.

• 39:03Speaker 06

  Talk about.

• 39:03Kylie Kelce?

  That is exactly, that's exactly what my brain told me.

• 39:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:08Kylie Kelce?

  Do you give yourself goosebumps?

• 39:10Speaker 06

  Uh, no, I don't think so. I think like.

• 39:13Kylie Kelce?

  Have other people given you?

• 39:14Speaker 06

  I think.

• 39:14Kylie Kelce?

  When you listen to other people, have they, like a Kelly Clarkson, when Kelly hits a note, like.

• 39:19Speaker 06

  Definitely. I think for me, I'm so critical of my performances and,

• 39:27Speaker 06

  and even like my recordings, I would say that like, I'm so critical, it's hard for me to take myself out of that perfectionism to enjoy what I'm doing vocally.

• 39:38Kylie Kelce?

  Don't worry, we're all getting goosebumps.

• 39:41Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 39:42Kylie Kelce?

  Now you've sang some, with some absolutely amazing artists throughout your career, Christina, Ariana, Sam Smith, to name a few. Do any of your duets or collaborations stand out to you?

• 39:55Speaker 06

  I would say my favorite collaboration that I've ever done would, would have to be, Fall in Line with Christina Aguilera, because Christina is like Kelly Clarkson to me and she was one of my biggest inspirations growing up and every time I karaoke, I sing her songs and.

• 40:16Kylie Kelce?

  Do you have a favorite? What's the go-to?

• 40:18Speaker 06

  Um, there's one called Keep On Singing My Song.

• 40:24Speaker 06

  And.

• 40:25Kylie Kelce?

  I thought for sure you were gonna say Jean in a Bottle.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  No, no. This one's like, got this long note at the end and it's, it's really fun to sing. I never get to sing it unless I'm doing karaoke or if I'm in the shower, but I just like.

• 40:42Speaker 06

  I really value that collaboration because it just means so much to me.

• 40:49Kylie Kelce?

  That's so much power in this.

• 40:52Kylie Kelce?

  It's not even funny. Well, speaking of collaborations, I feel like I can't fully transition into 2026 until I talk to you about one of my favorite moments from 2025, which is when you made a surprise appearance at the Jonas Brothers concert.

• 41:05Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:06Kylie Kelce?

  Holy fucking nostalgia. We actually have the clip.

• 41:29Kylie Kelce?

  Now, how excited were you to do this?

• 41:32Speaker 06

  I was so excited.

• 41:34Kylie Kelce?

  Did you know that it would take over the internet the way it did? Because I had a feeling. I don't know. I always get I always get worried because my algorithm is based on what I watch, right? My generation, I kid you not, it was every single.

• 41:54Kylie Kelce?

  It was like six deep before I got anything else and then it went right back to it because my algorithm knew what I wanted to see.

• 42:01Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, you're so sweet.

• 42:02Kylie Kelce?

  What was the best part of it? Was it like the eruption of the cheer?

• 42:06Speaker 06

  The eruption.

• 42:07Kylie Kelce?

  Was it?

• 42:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, definitely.

• 42:08Kylie Kelce?

  God, was it so good?

• 42:09Speaker 06

  It was so loud. It was so fun.

• 42:13Kylie Kelce?

  As it should have been.

• 42:14Speaker 06

  Everyone was just like, everyone was going crazy and and I, I think we all shared that same enthusiasm for the performance because for the Jonas Brothers and I, it was getting back on stage for the first time together. And however many years, it was really nostalgic for us as well. And so, you know, hearing the crowd erupt with enthusiasm, the way that we were excited to perform it just felt right and was really.

• 42:47Speaker 06

  Rewarding.

• 42:48Kylie Kelce?

  That's so cool. And the real ones know, uh, when it comes to TikTok, I always say, you gotta run to the comment section. Um, so I gotta shout out the top comment with 639,000 likes. All we're missing and it is, it is the Disney knees.

• 43:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 43:08Kylie Kelce?

  Or the Disney's, if you will.

• 43:10Speaker 06

  The Disney's.

• 43:11Kylie Kelce?

  Um, for anyone who is unfamiliar with this phenomenon, can you explain to them the Disney knees?

• 43:17Speaker 06

  The Disney's, I can't explain it. I just have to do it. Um, no, it's like when you're standing up and you're so excited to be on stage that your knees collapse into each other. And that's all I can,

• 43:30Kylie Kelce?

  That's the best explanation.

• 43:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 43:32Kylie Kelce?

  That's so good.

• 43:33Speaker 06

  My knees glitch.

• 43:36Kylie Kelce?

  Now circling back to that concert, the eruption of, of cheer and everything, but I was also talking about to Ed Sheeran about the idea of which artists would be considered a cheat code for the loudest crowd in their hometowns. Is there anyone that you can think about? I said, we, Ed and I agreed, bringing Eminem out in Detroit would be like.

• 43:55Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:58Kylie Kelce?

  Cheat code.

• 43:59Speaker 06

  Cheat code.

• 44:00Kylie Kelce?

  Who, who would you think?

• 44:01Speaker 06

  When I think of like, the loudest crowds, I think of like, I think of Taylor. Like she'll, she'd probably have the loudest crowd.

• 44:10Kylie Kelce?

  That one's easy. You put Taylor in Philly, we're gonna be loud.

• 44:17Kylie Kelce?

  Is there anyone in Dallas that you think, besides you?

• 44:20Speaker 06

  Besides me?

• 44:21Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, maybe Beyonce in Houston?

• 44:23Speaker 06

  Oh, Beyonce in Houston, duh.

• 44:25Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 44:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, definitely.

• 44:26Kylie Kelce?

  I'm trying to think of, I feel like the, the artists who sort of rep their hometown really hard are the ones who would get like the biggest.

• 44:34Speaker 06

  Yes, of course. I just thought of an artist.

• 44:37Kylie Kelce?

  Please.

• 44:37Speaker 06

  Bad Bunny in Puerto Rico. That would be the loudest crowd.

• 44:43Speaker 05

  That would pop off in a way that I cannot, I want to see that. Right? Yes.

• 44:48Kylie Kelce?

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• 46:57Kylie Kelce?

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• 47:42Kylie Kelce?

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• 48:53Kylie Kelce?

  I mentioned this earlier, but I absolutely was a Disney Channel kid growing up and I've seen Camp Rock a couple of times. I also love the Princess Protection Program. I think that that was very underrated and my girls have watched it once and they're very young, but they just loved the suggestion of like, we could, we'll be princesses?

• 49:15Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 49:16Kylie Kelce?

  Sure. First of all, when was the last time you watched Camp Rock?

• 49:22Speaker 06

  So I watched Camp Rock like a couple of years ago, or maybe it was more recently.

• 49:29Kylie Kelce?

  Was it to pregame the concert?

• 49:31Speaker 06

  I wanted to show, I wanted to show Jordan, my husband, Camp Rock. He had, he didn't, he wasn't a Disney kid growing up, so he didn't see any of that.

• 49:39Kylie Kelce?

  So you had to educate him?

• 49:40Speaker 06

  I had to educate him.

• 49:41Kylie Kelce?

  Got it.

• 49:41Speaker 06

  We still have yet to watch Camp Rock 2 and I haven't showed him Princess Protection Program. So we have some work to do.

• 49:49Kylie Kelce?

  Sounds like you've got movie night lined up for a little while.

• 49:52Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 49:53Kylie Kelce?

  Now, what does he think, what did he think of Camp Rock?

• 49:58Speaker 06

  Um, he thought it was cute. You know, he was like, I, like, this is where you got your start. That's amazing.

• 50:05Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, every single time someone references Camp Rock, immediately in my head, it starts going, this is real. Like, I can't stop it. Now it's going in my head and I will have that for the next three days. And Camp Rock 3.

• 50:22Speaker 06

  I'm an executive producer on it.

• 50:24Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, you are.

• 50:25Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 50:25Kylie Kelce?

  Does that mean?

• 50:27Speaker 06

  Does that mean, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see.

• 50:30Kylie Kelce?

  Blink twice if you'll tell me in later.

• 50:36Kylie Kelce?

  Um, so like you said, you're an executive producer.

• 50:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:40Kylie Kelce?

  It comes out this summer.

• 50:41Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 50:42Kylie Kelce?

  What can you tell us?

• 50:45Speaker 06

  We are making way for the new generation to shine their light as bright as they are. And it's just really exciting to see a new generation step into the footsteps of, of us and, um, and just like.

• 51:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's beautiful to watch a generation of new actors and performers have their moment. And I can't wait to see the final product.

• 51:16Kylie Kelce?

  This will be the perfect time to do a movie night with your husband.

• 51:21Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 51:21Kylie Kelce?

  For Camp Rock 2 to pregame Camp Rock 3.

• 51:24Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 51:25Kylie Kelce?

  This is perfect.

• 51:26Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 51:27Kylie Kelce?

  Um, there's, uh, speaking of Camp Rock and all the success you had in your Disney Channel days, did you ever, uh, reach out to other Disney actresses for advice, um, or to just talk about that experience?

• 51:40Speaker 06

  Like, are you saying, like actresses that were on Disney before me?

• 51:43Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 51:44Speaker 06

  No, I didn't. And I think I was like really intimidated and kind of like shy when it came to asking for advice. Um, like I never had a mentor either. Like I didn't, I don't know. I just felt like, I think I was maybe just shy. Um, I wish that I had. I wish that I had gotten advice and, um, I think it would have saved me a lot of trial and errors, like figuring shit out on my own kind of thing. Um, but I,

• 52:19Speaker 06

  like, I'm grateful for the path that I've had without a mentor, without advice from others. So.

• 52:25Kylie Kelce?

  Do you, not having that mentor role yourself, do you feel like inclined to offer that to others that are coming up now?

• 52:34Speaker 06

  Love to be a mentor to somebody. Um, and like, guide someone through the journey that I went on because when you do it alone, there's no manual on how to be a pop star. And, um,

• 52:53Speaker 06

  and there's certain things that I would tell, I actually did give like a, a little mini pep talk to the new cast of Camp Rock. When I first met them, I met them as a group and I was just like, hey, guys, you know, um,

• 53:11Speaker 06

  and I, I gave them some advice. I'm trying to think what advice I gave them. Um, it was like, you know, don't be afraid to, uh,

• 53:22Speaker 06

  ask for time off, like.

• 53:25Speaker 06

  Take care of yourself first. It's really important that you take care of your mental health and so that you can do the other things that you want to do, like performing and acting.

• 53:40Speaker 06

  But if you don't have your mental health, or if you get burnt out, like that can all go away. And so it's just like, it's important to take care of yourself.

• 53:47Kylie Kelce?

  That's such an important message. You of course got to meet so many incredible people in your career. And I'm sure it just continues to happen. But do you ever feel like you met someone along the way that made you truly starstruck?

• 54:06Speaker 06

  Yes, I giggle.

• 54:07Kylie Kelce?

  Besides Christina and Kelly?

• 54:09Speaker 06

  Yes. I giggle because I get starstruck by like, the most unassuming people, I guess. Like, I could be in a room.

• 54:22Speaker 06

  I I've been starstruck by huge artists, but like, the most recent starstruck that I got was I was in a room with Lisa Barlow from The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And I literally, we were at a holiday party, and I saw her in the room, and I just like, walked out of the room. And my husband was like, you glitched, didn't you? You you had to walk out of the room.

• 54:45Kylie Kelce?

  That was such a clear and defined answer of fight or flight.

• 54:49Speaker 06

  I was like, I'm just gonna keep walking.

• 54:53Kylie Kelce?

  You Irish goodbye'd the fuck out of that room, Justin, because you were like, my brain can't handle this.

• 54:58Speaker 06

  The thing was, is I went right back in the room.

• 55:00Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 55:00Speaker 06

  Because I needed the food. It was like, the room, the room was, had a buffet in it. I was there for dinner. And I was like, I have to eat the food. And I also wanted to like, say hi. I just like.

• 55:09Kylie Kelce?

  Did you say hi?

• 55:11Speaker 06

  Glitched. She actually said hi to me, which was really cool. And no, she said hi to me.

• 55:17Kylie Kelce?

  That's amazing that if you get that, like, excited to see someone, and then they're like, oh, hi. And you're like, oh, my God, they wanted to say hi to me, too?

• 55:25Speaker 06

  Yes. So that was funny. And and it was a sweet little moment. She was nice. And

• 55:33Speaker 06

  and I was totally starstruck.

• 55:36Kylie Kelce?

  Love that so much.

• 55:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:38Kylie Kelce?

  Um, speaking of starstruck, you were a judge on the X Factor.

• 55:42Speaker 06

  I was.

• 55:42Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, along with Britney Spears.

• 55:44Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 55:45Kylie Kelce?

  What was that like? And would you ever want to return to singing competitions?

• 55:48Speaker 06

  I would only return if Britney was a judge next to me.

• 55:52Kylie Kelce?

  Easy.

• 55:52Speaker 06

  Yeah. Um, it was so much fun. Um, it was a lot of work, I will say, and I invested like so much of my energy into my contestants that were a part of my team that like I would get devastated when they would get sent home. Like, I really was like, like, I'm all in. I was all in. And so, um, I think the emotional toll it takes on you is kind of like a lot because you just invest so much of your time and energy into these people's careers and it's the beginning of their careers. And so when they don't go on to the next round, you're kind of like, oh, my God, did, was that my fault? Like, did I pick the wrong song for them or whatever

• 56:33Speaker 06

  it is? And so you just invest so much into the contestants and, um, and so, yeah, I just like, I think, yeah, I would only do it if Britney was next to me again.

• 56:48Kylie Kelce?

  I don't, we'll, we'll try and manifest it.

• 56:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, we'll manifest it.

• 56:51Kylie Kelce?

  Sure, why not? Um, you've performed on so many big stages, Grammys, VMA, Super Bowl, National Anthem. Do you have a favorite?

• 57:00Speaker 06

  I would say my, like, looking back, my favorite memory, my favorite stage that I've performed on would have to be the Super Bowl. Um, the National Anthem, because it was just like, there's something about the Super Bowl, everyone's watching it. And I was so nervous. I blacked out when I started singing. Like, I don't, I finished and I was like, was that good?

• 57:28Kylie Kelce?

  And you still nailed it?

• 57:29Speaker 06

  I don't know, was that good?

• 57:30Kylie Kelce?

  That's so impressive.

• 57:31Speaker 06

  I was so, um, nervous that I just like.

• 57:35Kylie Kelce?

  That's insane that that version of a National Anthem was autopilot. That's crazy. Um, would you ever do it again?

• 57:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, I would do it again.

• 57:45Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, NFL. Let's go. Um, maybe we could manifest halftime.

• 57:52Speaker 06

  I would love to manifest that.

• 57:54Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, let's do halftime.

• 57:55Speaker 06

  I got a ways to go before halftime, but that would be sick.

• 58:01Kylie Kelce?

  I think, I think we could plant the seed at the very least.

• 58:03Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 58:04Kylie Kelce?

  We'll plant the seed. Uh, now something else we have in common is that we both like to cook. So I'm very excited about your brand.

• 58:11Speaker 06

  You like to cook.

• 58:12Kylie Kelce?

  I do.

• 58:12Speaker 06

  Nice.

• 58:13Kylie Kelce?

  Um, one plate at a time, recipes for finding freedom with food, which comes out March 17th. Uh, the first question, and I have to ask it. I think you can probably guess.

• 58:26Kylie Kelce?

  Demi, what is your favorite dish?

• 58:31Speaker 06

  I didn't see that one coming.

• 58:32Kylie Kelce?

  No?

• 58:32Speaker 06

  No, I didn't.

• 58:34Kylie Kelce?

  Queen Emma swore you would.

• 58:35Speaker 06

  Okay, my newest favorite dish is this pickle mug. It's like a mug that looks like a pickle. I love pickles and I love mugs.

• 58:45Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, perfect.

• 58:46Speaker 06

  And my cousin Brayden got me that for Christmas this year. It was like a pickle mug and it's my new favorite dish.

• 58:52Kylie Kelce?

  I'm gonna, you're, I'm gonna take this in a direction that Queen Emma was not prepared for. Do you have a favorite pickle?

• 59:00Speaker 06

  Oh. I actually do. It's, um, Velasquez dill pickles, just original dill.

• 59:08Kylie Kelce?

  The spear?

• 59:09Speaker 06

  Not the spear, the whole pickle.

• 59:11Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 59:11Speaker 06

  I know.

• 59:12Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 59:12Speaker 06

  But they're like, they're like this big. They're not like the movie theater pickles.

• 59:17Kylie Kelce?

  I'm sorry, what?

• 59:19Speaker 06

  Okay, movie theater pickles, that's a Texas thing.

• 59:22Kylie Kelce?

  What?

• 59:23Speaker 06

  That's a Texas thing, so.

• 59:24Kylie Kelce?

  Is this going to be the first thing from Texas I've ever liked?

• 59:28Speaker 06

  Maybe.

• 59:29Kylie Kelce?

  Well, that's a lie because you're from Texas.

• 59:30Speaker 06

  Oh, thank you. And Kelly Clarkson is from Texas.

• 59:33Kylie Kelce?

  I know. Okay. First concept from Texas that I've ever liked. Okay, go ahead.

• 59:38Speaker 06

  When I came to LA, the first time I was out here, um, and I went to the movies at the Grove, I was like, can I have a pickle? And they were like, what? And I was like, yeah, I'll have a pickle with my popcorn. And they were like, where, where are you from? Like, we don't do that here. And I was like, and that's when I realized, I was like, oh, it must be a southern thing or like a Texas thing. Um.

• 59:59Kylie Kelce?

  They give you a whole ass deli pickle.

• 1:00:03Speaker 06

  Pickle. In like this big jug. The jug is like this big. It's like just tons of big pickles.

• 1:00:11Kylie Kelce?

  This is like a barrel pickle from the deli.

• 1:00:12Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:00:13Kylie Kelce?

  You're fucking kidding me.

• 1:00:15Speaker 06

  And you, you eat it while you watch your movie and it's the best snack. It's, it lasts you the whole movie.

• 1:00:22Kylie Kelce?

  Fuck off.

• 1:00:25Speaker 05

  This is not a revelation I was prepared to have today.

• 1:00:27Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. What?

• 1:00:29Speaker 06

  I'm serious.

• 1:00:30Kylie Kelce?

  With your popcorn.

• 1:00:32Speaker 06

  Dead serious.

• 1:00:32Kylie Kelce?

  That sounds delicious.

• 1:00:34Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You take a piece of the popcorn and you dip it on the pickle. It's really good.

• 1:00:41Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, I know what I'm doing when I get home.

• 1:00:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Kylie Kelce?

  Wow. That was not, I wasn't, I wasn't ready for that.

• 1:00:50Kylie Kelce?

  This is, you might have, you've just disrupted my whole thought process.

• 1:00:54Speaker 06

  You're welcome.

• 1:00:54Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, I'm gonna get back on it. I'm gonna get back. We're back. I'm gonna, I'm gonna calm it down. A fucking movie theater pickle.

• 1:00:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Kylie Kelce?

  Wow. Now,

• 1:01:05Kylie Kelce?

  I'm gonna ask for real now. Not about your pickle mug, which sounds lovely. From your new cookbook.

• 1:01:13Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:01:13Kylie Kelce?

  What is your favorite dish?

• 1:01:15Speaker 06

  It would be like picking a favorite child. I can't pick just one recipe.

• 1:01:21Kylie Kelce?

  Do you have a favorite right now?

• 1:01:23Speaker 06

  I really love

• 1:01:24Kylie Kelce?

  Hold you to it.

• 1:01:24Speaker 06

  My chili.

• 1:01:26Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, it's the perfect

• 1:01:28Speaker 06

  But like, sometimes I really get into like a beef stew phase where like I make that a lot.

• 1:01:34Kylie Kelce?

  I made the mac and cheese. Perfect for, we're coming up on Super Bowl.

• 1:01:39Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:01:40Kylie Kelce?

  Chili is the perfect game day.

• 1:01:42Speaker 06

  Do you want to know what I'm gonna do for

• 1:01:43Kylie Kelce?

  In your pickle mug?

• 1:01:45Speaker 06

  Maybe. But also, I'm gonna have my own Super Bowl.

• 1:01:51Speaker 06

  Where I'm gonna have my friends come over. We each pick a soup to make. And

• 1:01:58Kylie Kelce?

  A super bowl.

• 1:02:02Speaker 06

  And so everyone picks, everyone picks a soup that they have to make and they bring it to

• 1:02:07Kylie Kelce?

  Stop it.

• 1:02:08Speaker 06

  The Super Bowl. And whoever makes the best soup wins.

• 1:02:11Kylie Kelce?

  Wins.

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Kylie Kelce?

  I love this. Is there a prize?

• 1:02:15Speaker 06

  Uh,

• 1:02:16Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe.

• 1:02:17Speaker 06

  I have to think of one.

• 1:02:18Kylie Kelce?

  We'll check back.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  Maybe it's the pickle mug. I'll have to consult with my cousin Brayden.

• 1:02:23Kylie Kelce?

  You'll have to find another one. You cannot, you cannot for sure give away the pickle mug.

• 1:02:27Speaker 06

  I know, I know.

• 1:02:28Kylie Kelce?

  Now, what made you want to put out this cookbook?

• 1:02:31Speaker 06

  So I started cooking like a few years ago. I am not an expert by any means. But I'm somebody that's in recovery from an eating disorder. And when I first

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  When I first got into recovery, food was very, very overwhelming for me to the point where when I would go to the grocery store, I would break down in tears because there was just food everywhere. And that to me was the enemy at the time. And when I got into recovery, they taught me the importance and the value of of cooking and repairing your relationship with food through that way. And I found that cooking gives me I found that cooking just kind of helps build my relationship with food in a way

• 1:03:27Speaker 06

  that like, I trust the food and and it's fun. Or say you don't have, you know, an eating disorder and you're not in recovery and you want recipes that are just easy and tips on on how to, you know, how to get started in the kitchen, like, you could be that person too. Cooking has been so healing for me and my recovery.

• 1:03:53Kylie Kelce?

  It is. I always say this, especially when I have guests on, I always like to give flowers where they're due. And I cannot thank you enough for being so open about your process and your recovery and what you went through because raising four girls in this world, it's important to have people who will speak up about those types of things that are impacting a lot of people oftentimes silently. So I really, really appreciate you not only creating this cookbook, but just even starting that conversation, you being open to discussing it is so incredibly special for other people who are also going through it. So thank you.

• 1:04:34Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much for coming to chat. Once again, make sure you get your tickets to see Demi on her It's Not That Deep tour. Go to demi Lovato dot com backslash tour. You can also get her brand new cookbook on March 17. Thank you again.

• 1:04:47Speaker 06

  Thank you so much.

• 1:04:48Kylie Kelce?

  This is so much fun.

• 1:04:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, so much fun.

• 1:04:50Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. And that's a wrap on this week's episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Demi on my YouTube channel on More Ship Monday. I'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Follow us on social at @NGOwithKylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by CVS Health. Thanks to the real ones for tuning in.

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