Ep. 628: MeatEater Radio Live! A Goose Calling Champ, Tapeworm Cysts, and Toxic Sludge

Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live! Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. You can watch the stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork, or catch the audio version of the show on Fridays. Today's episode is hosted by Spencer Neuharth https://www.instagram.com/spencerneuharth/?hl=en, Janis Putelis https://www.instagram.com/janis_putelis/, Cory Calkins, and Phil Taylor https://www.instagram.com/philtaylor25/?hl=en. Guests: 3x World Goose Calling Champion John Walls https://www.instagram.com/johnwalls88/ and author of Valley So Low https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/690554/valley-so-low-by-jared-sullivan/, Jared Sullivan https://www.jr-sullivan.com. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:03Speaker 04

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time on November 21st and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host Spencer Newhart, joined today by Yanis Poutellas and Corey Calkins. On today's show, we'll interview the three-time world goose calling champion, John Walls. Then we have a rut report from Mark Kenyon, followed by one-minute fishing with Seth Morris. After that, we'll have a Chedikit about finder's keeper's rules. Then we'll interview Jared Sullivan about his new book, Valley Solo. And finally, we'll look at a listener's drunken tattoo of penguins. But first, Corey is going to regale us with tales from his recent elk hunt.

• 3:44Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, thanks Spencer. Finally harvested my general Montana bull elk last week.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  How many years did that take?

• 3:53Speaker 05

  Felt like multiple, but it was a long archery season. I passed up a lot of elk and had a lot of close encounters with my bow, as you did as well.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  No, you got one last year, didn't you, with your bow?

• 4:04Speaker 05

  I'm two years in a row. Filling my general elk tag with a bowl, yeah.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 4:11Speaker 05

  But yeah, I went out with a couple colleagues, actually to try and harvest a cow for a non-resident colleague of ours. Who had a cow tag and all we saw were bulls. Saw three bulls come up over the hill and I was able to drop one of them that stopped at 400 yards.

• 4:27Speaker 04

  In a new spot for you?

• 4:28Speaker 05

  It's a spot I've hunted before, but it's one of our colleagues' secret go-to late-season elk spots. That he was.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  That he's told a few people in the office.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, we were blindfolded until the sun came up.

• 4:39Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 4:40Speaker 05

  And then as soon as the sun came up, looking through the snow, I saw three bulls come over the hill and it was pretty hard to say no this late in the season.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  So, filled my freezer.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  What was the one that you killed, his size versus the other two?

• 4:52Speaker 05

  You know, I didn't get a great look at any of them. It happened so fast. They came up over the hill. At first, I thought they were other hunters. On the skyline. It was just, it was dark enough and there was a blizzard happening. Snow was blowing sideways. And they were probably 550 yards at one point. They saw us and they actually skirted across the mountainside closer to us. And I shot mine at like 415 or something uphill, 20 mile an hour wind, felt great about the shot.

• 5:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 05

  Just had a window and the one in the back, the elk in the back stopped to look at us one last time and that was the last decision he ever made.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  Yanni, you should close your ears. You should close your ears for this, but I recently declared Corey the best elk hunter in the office. You think that's true? Oh, he kind of.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  Oh, look at that face.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, he didn't agree.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't wanna, I don't wanna make the guy feel bad. If you gave him that title, then he shouldn't, you know, run with it.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Make a counter-argument.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't really wanna do this right now because.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Who, who would you say, okay, if Corey's one, who would you say is two?

• 5:56Speaker 05

  What makes a better elk hunter? Kills elk themselves.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  And to be clear, Corey didn't make this declaration.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  I made this declaration on his behalf.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Now you're asking me to tell you why he's not the best one in the office.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  I'm gonna pass. I like Corey. He's my buddy.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  Okay, well, who's, who's 1B if Corey's 1A?

• 6:14Speaker 02

  Oh, boy. I haven't thought about this. Uh, I think, I think we have a lot of good elk hunters.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  The thing about being a good elk hunter. Or what can it make you seem? What was that?

• 6:26Speaker 04

  What was going on over here?

• 6:27Speaker 02

  We're live, folks. We're live.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  Corinne, put your headphones on.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, actually, here, I never cut to this camera. I'm gonna cut to Corinne's camera here for a sec, so she can explain herself. There she is.

• 6:38Speaker 06

  I was, uh, on Instagram, looking at our Meat Eater Live, uh, promo.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  Just working.

• 6:44Speaker 06

  And Jimmy's first elk. Congratulations, Jimmy.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. And Corinne bailed out Yanni from having to talk about the best of hunters.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  No, but I'll tell ya, I mean, it's just so, uh, gray and subjective, because what can often seem like someone is a great elk hunter is because they have extreme knowledge about a certain area.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Right? Like, I know a guy that kills a bull every single year, and he probably kills that bull within 500 yards of the spot he killed the bull the prior year. You know what I mean? Does that make him a great elk hunter? He kills a bull every year.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  But does it make him a great elk hunter? You know what I'm saying?

• 7:21Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  So I think you just really have to look at, like, a wide, you know, like, what's the entire, you know, elk hunting sort of, uh, repertoire, experience? Like, how many different states has a guy killed a bull elk in? You know? Um, how many different weapons? I don't know. A lot of things to think through about that.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  But you think Cory's a good elk hunter?

• 7:46Speaker 02

  He's a good elk hunter, for sure. I mean, I've hunted elk with him for a couple of weeks now of my life. Yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 05

  And you were successful on one of those outings.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 7:54Speaker 04

  Good point, Cory.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:57Speaker 05

  Spencer, I heard you just harvested a big game animal somewhere.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting. You know, Tyler, uh, says, "Congratulations."

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you, Tyler Wertz. Uh, thank you. Yeah.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Who's he saying congratulations to?

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Well, it says Spencer, comma, "Congrats on the Nebraska mule deer." Uh, "I just killed my biggest mule."

• 8:13Speaker 02

  Was that placed? That happened while Cory-

• 8:15Speaker 04

  You think I placed that?

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Well, that happened while Cory was saying, "Hey, I heard you just killed a buck," and there was already a comment? I believe Tyler probably saw it on Spencer's Instagram and

• 8:26Speaker 04

  He wrote that comment at 11:01.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I see.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  It's now 11:06.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  I see. It was a nice buck.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  Thank you. That was my biggest mule ever, uh, hunting Western Nebraska. Um, I, I haven't gotten many days of the mule deer rut like that. Um, where it was just like bucks were on their feet all the time. Um,

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Every group of does had a buck.

• 8:48Speaker 04

  Very reckless. Uh, and, and sometimes like deer hunters can curse the rut, that it makes things too random where it puts deer in places you wouldn't expect to see them. Um,

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Not for mule deer though.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Maybe not for mule deer and I'm, I'm not nearly as experienced in hunting mules as I am whitetail, but there can be a point in the whitetail rut, um, where you're like, all the bucks are, are somewhere else in a place that they aren't normally found. They're bedded down, uh, in a grassy fence row right now with some doe. Uh, they're, they're sitting in a wide open egg field that was just cut and it just doesn't make sense because it's the rut. This was the best mule deer rut though, that I've ever gotten to experience. Uh, it's like just what you want. Every group of does had a big buck. Uh, they were, they were reckless. They were on their feet. They were visible at all hours of the day. Uh, and, and it was just a ton of fun. So I was happy. I got to experience that, killed the biggest mule. One of the biggest mules I've, I've ever seen.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Now, did, was that the first decent buck you saw? Cause you're not much of a passer. And so I'm wondering like, was it so good that you were like, you know, I'm going to let a few of these medium bucks go.

• 9:52Speaker 04

  That day I'd seen about 50 deer. Uh, I killed that buck probably 15 minutes into shooting light. Um, it was, it happened quick. Uh, and I, I saw a handful of other bucks. I wouldn't have passed on some bucks that were a little smaller than him. Um, that, that was an easy decision to make. I passed on a few smaller bucks the day before. Um, but it's also, I, I have permission from a rancher in Nebraska who has a lot of ground. So I'm fortunate to look at a lot of deer when I'm there. Um, so I know that, that bucks like this exist in places where I can hunt. And in that case it makes it easier to, uh, you know, wait for a big one.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  You want to talk about some lockdown going on? If you live in Bozeman, Montana right now, you can drive just about anywhere in this town and find a whitetail buck locked down on a doe.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  Give me an example of where you've seen him.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  Where?

• 10:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Pick a golf course in this town. You can see it there. Uh, I don't know. What's the one on Caggy? Uh, is it Valley View?

• 10:49Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, that one's like kinda private. That's a weird golf course, but it's like-

• 10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I got an invite actually yesterday to go play. And when I get invited this summer, I'll have you, yeah. Not to play yesterday, but I got the invite yesterday for next summer. But when I go play, I'll be like, hey, can we bring another guy? I'll bring you along.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  You do that.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Um-

• 11:06Speaker 04

  There's a nice 10 pointer right here by the office.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  I would just say Caggy. Yeah, just if you just run Caggy, and if you don't see a buck lockdown on a doe, then uh, your eyes don't work.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  Last thing here, Yanni, before we do our first interview, uh, your dad had a correction or something to add about thermals from the

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  thermal discussion we had last week?

• 11:26Speaker 02

  When he called, he was pretty fired up. And he's like, you guys almost had it right.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  And I'm like, okay, well, what did we miss? And like I said, this is the reason that I was fussing at Phil a little bit when he picked the thermal thing. Cause I said, well, this is like a three hour show.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  We can discuss thermals. But my dad said the important part that we missed that might help people understand why this whole thermal thing is working? And why it actually does happen on flat ground. And you don't miss that. He got me for saying it really only works when in hilly country, you're on mountains, which which isn't quite correct.

• 12:01Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  You've maybe experienced this hunting whitetail deer in flat country.

• 12:05Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  But, so the first part is that what is it that's actually getting cold? Or when it get, when the air gets cold, why does it sink? Right? Well, it gets denser because the moisture in there, right? That's what's causing it to sink.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  When it warms up, that moisture in there is becoming less dense and causing it to rise. Which is why if you were in a tree stand and on completely flat ground with zero wind,

• 12:34Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  you might experience it where on a super cold morning before the air has started to heat up, that your scent would be dropping straight to the ground. Not good. But then maybe later in the morning, just, you know, an hour later, as the day starts to warm, the air is actually just moving straight up above you. And so you'd almost be invincible when it comes to like scent because there's no wind blowing it northeast, west, south. And the thermal would just be picking it straight up and taking it up into the atmosphere.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. You think we covered it now?

• 13:10Speaker 02

  I don't know. Do you?

• 13:11Speaker 04

  Is Papa Yanni listening right now?

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Uh, no, he's in deer camp in Wisconsin right now and there's poor service there. So.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  Papa Yanni, when you hear this, you let Yanni know.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  If I got it. Yep.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. All right. Moving on. Joining us on the line first is the three-time world goose calling champion, John Walls. John just won the Super Bowl of Goose Calling for the third straight year. John, welcome to the show.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Hey guys. Thanks for having me. Really appreciate it.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  John, first thing, tell us about the competition. How do you get to the world championship? How were the callers judged? How do you prep for this thing?

• 13:49Speaker 05

  Um, so the, the world championship goose calling contest is open to any caller. Uh, you don't have to, you know, be invited, have an invitation or win a contest throughout the year to be entered into the world goose. Uh, anybody can show up and, uh, and blow in it. Um, how it's judged, uh, you got five judges you have to tell a story to. Um, the judges are sequestered. They can't see you. Uh, the contest is made up of three rounds and they do the Olympic scoring system. So, uh, first round's judge 70 to 80 points. Second round is 80 to 90. Third round is 90 to 100. Um, each judge will give a caller a score. Uh, once, uh, all five scores are tallied, they'll throw out the highest and the lowest score, keep the three in the middle.

• 14:35Speaker 05

  And, um, those points accumulate through three rounds and at the end of the third round, if you're lucky enough to make it, um, if you have the most points, you're the winner. Um, yeah, pretty, pretty cool.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  And, and for the judges, do you think that their ear can pick up on who that caller is? Do you think they know this is John, that's Tim, that's Bob? Or, or does it all sound, uh, you know, very different to them?

• 15:01Speaker 05

  Um, it depends. Um, so like for the world contest, you have judges from all across the country, kind of. But there was a few local ones and they've been doing it long enough to where, you know, certain callers. Have certain styles, certain sounds. They can pick up on it. Um, as me as a, as a competitor, I know if I was judging the world goose. Seventy-five percent of the callers, while they were doing their warm up, I can tell you who they are.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 15:26Speaker 05

  But, uh, you know, it kind of throws a curve ball into things. You, you deal with a little bit of politics there with, with, uh, judging a little bit, but, um. I mean, with social media and just all this content and stuff, you know, people blowing goose calls, it's become that way, unfortunately.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  I got a question. How, how close do they put the judges from the callers? Because my gripe sometimes with some of these contests is if the caller is blowing like towards the audience and the judges are behind them, or if even if they're directly in front of them versus like, I always feel like the judges should be at the back of the room, which is sort of the distance that a goose would hear your calling from, right? And, and adding that, uh, more air between their ears and your call would sort of, I don't know, I, I think it would help for them to pick out the nuances. So where do they put the call, the judges?

• 16:18Speaker 05

  Um, so that's changed over the years. Um, the world goose con championships held in a high school auditorium. Um, and you know, that auditorium was built for, you know, acoustic sounds, but to me, I swear that stage was built for contest goose callers, cause, uh, it's just absolutely incredible in there, the sound, the echo, just everything about it's awesome. Um, for the longest time, when you walked out on stage, the judges were sitting behind you. Um, and then up till this year, for about four years, the judges were right on the, um, other side of the stage. So you're, you're pretty much standing right in front of them. Uh, obviously they can't see you. But, um, this year they put the judges in the far back corner of the auditorium and, uh,

• 17:01Speaker 05

  it, there, there's pros and cons to it, but overall I think it was better. Like you said, you just get a better overall sound, the way the sound echoes off of the walls and the room. Um, it's just a little bit better. But yeah, the judges were in the far back corner of the auditorium this year.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  And do you show up there knowing the routine that you're going to do note for note and call for call?

• 17:20Speaker 05

  I do. Yup. Up to my warm up. I mean, everything. Thing about it, I know every single note of my, my routine. I know exactly where I need to take my breaths, how much of a breath I need to do. Um, I've been doing this for 18 years, so it's, it's, it's kind of like second nature to me now. But I'm definitely a note for no caller. There's certain callers that are, you know, sequence callers are just, just kind of, you know, wing it when they're up there. But me, I know exactly where I need to be and when and what I need to be doing.

• 17:46Speaker 04

  Now, Phil Robertson once said, it's one of my favorite quotes, um, that, that revolves around hunting. He said that a live mallard wouldn't place in a duck calling competition. Can you explain what he meant by that and how calling in a competition is different than calling in the field?

• 18:02Speaker 05

  Sure. Yeah, he's, uh, he's absolutely right too, especially with the duck calling. Uh, it definitely has its place in the goose calling world too. Um, for competition style duck and goose calling, it's not really trying to sound like the real bird. It's an operating contest, you know, how well a caller can operate the call, push the call to the limit. You know, have confidence in it, have them flow and speed and just showing your overall, you know, ability to do everything you can on a call. Um, but there is contests out there, they're called live contests. Uh, they're a little bit shorter in time and the main goal in those contests are to sound like a live hen mallard or a couple candidates.

• 18:44Speaker 04

  And do you still get humbled, uh, by geese when you go hunting or do you fool them every single time?

• 18:49Speaker 05

  Now, now there, there's days, man, well, they'll, they'll just fly right by and, and flip me the bird, literally.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  All right. Three straight wins at the world goose calling competition for short read. That is something that has never been done before. What do you do next then? Are you going to go win a fourth next year?

• 19:07Speaker 05

  So I'm officially retired. Uh, part of the, the, the world duck and goose calling championship rules is if you win three, you're retired.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 19:15Speaker 05

  So I'm officially done. Um, you know, People have their opinions on that. I think it's pretty cool. It's been that way forever. You know, you shoot for winning three and then you're done. But I'm gonna miss it, you know, obviously, but I am able to blow in the champion of champions contest. So everybody that's won at least one world goose is able to blow in this contest and they they hold that every five years. And actually, it's next year in 2025. So I'll be able to compete in that. And then if I'm fortunate enough to win that, I'm officially done competition goose calling on the world stage.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Okay, we're gonna be cheering for you. Now, what what makes you better at calling geese than everyone else in this competition?

• 19:57Speaker 05

  Um, you know, I don't, I wouldn't say how I'm better. It's just how I've convinced those judges that, you know, I sounded the best that day, you know, it's subjective, opinion based, you know, so it's it's just, I try to stand out a little bit more than everybody else. Like I said, the judges are from all different parts of the country and they're used to hunting different subspecies of geese which sound different. You know, geese are different from all over the world, even though they're all goose, they're they're a little bit different. So just having different cadences, different tones and stuff, I just try to throw a little bit of everything in my routine just to cover all the bases and and try to convince them that I sounded the best that day.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  John, we got a lot of people in the chat today who were asking for tips. So give us some tips that goose callers of all skill levels could use.

• 20:48Speaker 05

  You know, if you're trying to advance, I would definitely try to get one on one, you know, lessons from somebody. There's tons of stuff on social media on, you know, people showing you tips and tricks on how to blow goose call. But, you know, listening to a video, it helps, but having somebody one on one there that can see what you're doing, give you little tips and tricks right in person is so much better. And, you know, even me, I mean, yeah, I'm the world champion this, you know, for the third time, but, you know, I'm no better than the next guy. I'm still learning stuff on a goose call to this day, you know, different cadences, different notes, different, just all sorts of different things. This thing's an instrument. It's like a guitar, you know, there's so many different things you can do. Just try to be as proficient

• 21:33Speaker 05

  as you can on. On a goose call, I mean, you're cheating yourself if, you know, you're just kind of hanging out and being mediocre, you know?

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Can you play for us an award-winning goose calling sequence? Before you do that, explain what we're about to hear.

• 21:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, um, I'll do a, I'll do a little sequence for you. Um, I'll, I'll start off kind of going slow, so, um, in a route, in the world goose, you're, you're telling the judges a story in a, in a minute and 30 seconds of a flock of geese off in the distance. You get their attention, the geese come to you, say you or your buddy moves in the blind, the geese flare, you gotta call them back and get them back into decoys and, you know, get them to the ground. So, uh, I'll, I'll kind of start off slow, get fast, get slow again. I'll do an abbreviated part of a, of a routine for you real quick. Might be, might be a little loud. Wow.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  Beautiful.

• 22:30Speaker 05

  That's amazing. That sounds like multiple geese at once. I don't know how you're doing that. Yeah, yup. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  I feel spoiled. We just got an exclusive show, uh, from the best goose caller in the world. Uh, congrats again for doing something that's never been done before by winning three straight world goose calling championships on the short read. Enjoy your retirement and thanks for joining us.

• 22:53Speaker 05

  Appreciate it, guys.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Thank you very much. Y'all have a good one. Thanks, John.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Thanks, John.

• 23:29Speaker 06

  People in chat are saying that they're gonna take this part of our podcast and just play it outdoors.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  That might work.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Make sure that's legal in your state before you do it. That gave me goosebumps.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  Oh, good one, Yanni.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  We got a lot of honkin' for a bonkin' shout outs in the comments as well.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  I was disappointed I wasn't here that day for that tattoo. That was so good.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  It's great. Every time I see a goose now just walking around town, it's like, that's the only thing I think of and it's the only thing I'm gonna think of for the rest of my life. Oh, I'm sad I missed it. What episode was that?

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Somebody had a tattoo that, I don't know if they said they regretted it, but they shared it with us and it was, it was like a crudely drawn, childlike effort at a, making a goose and then it said honkin' for a bonkin'. I don't think you need any context. I think people wanted context, but you don't need any context for that. It's just downright funny.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 24:28Steven Rinella?

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• 26:16Steven Rinella?

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• 27:27Speaker 04

  All right, our next segment is the Rott Report.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  Wow, thank you for that rut rule. The rut report is where Mark Kenyon gives us a whitetail hunting forecast for each region. Take it away, Mark.

• 27:59Speaker 05

  Hey guys, Mark Kenyon here from Wired Hunt, coming at you with another whitetail rut report. And as you can see, I am reporting from my home office, and that's because my own personal rut marathon is tailing off, as is the rut for many parts of the country. Now, the southern United States is a little bit unique, but for the northern two-thirds of the country, we are now coming down off the bell curve of rutting activity. Over the last two weeks, there's been a lot of seeking, a lot of chasing. The peak of breeding happened for most states right around the middle of November. We are tailing off of that, so there are fewer does available to breed now than there were. And because of hunting, especially gun seasons opening, there's also a lot fewer bucks out there to do the seeking

• 28:44Speaker 05

  and the chasing and all that kind of good stuff. So the key things to know about the rut for the next week to two weeks is that it is slowing down. You're not going to see as much activity as maybe you saw the first week or second week of November, but it is still happening. There are still some does and estrus. And the key thing here is that the big old bucks know that. So this last week or two, right around Thanksgiving, give or take, is a notorious time to catch a very big, very old buck on his feet doing the zombie walk, just cruising from bedding area to bedding area. So here's the thing to think about. Spend as much time as you can out there, be out there midday if possible, and be in thick cover away from hunting pressure in bedding areas. That's where it's going

• 29:29Speaker 05

  to be here for these final weeks of the rut. Good luck.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Yanni is heading out on his second ruckation to Wisconsin this year. Is that, uh, does that sound right? You think that's what you're gonna see this week when you're out there?

• 29:42Speaker 02

  I sure hope so. Some people in Wisconsin I've heard have the attitude of like, man, every minute that goes by, you know, after opening, the opening bell of the opener. Like your, your odds just go down, down, down, down, down. But I don't really believe in that. And this year, we're spending Thanksgiving there in camp. Like my family is joining us, uh, next Wednesday. So I'm gonna hunt pretty close to every day of the, of Wisconsin's nine day gun deer season. And, um, yeah, I'm looking forward to exactly what Mark's talking about. Like I won't be hunting, you know, dawn to dusk every day, but, uh, I'm definitely gonna be putting a couple of hours in. And it doesn't matter if it's gonna be at daylight or at noon.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go out there and, you know, peek around and hopefully find a zombie buck.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  I think those pessimistic hunters you're talking about, that would be true if you're hunting on public land 40 minutes from Milwaukee. But if you have a, a private piece of ground to yourself that is, is well managed, um, yeah, you can, you can feel optimistic for that whole week of Thanksgiving.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, right next to a big metropolitan area, maybe, but there's other public land around. And according to the people I like to listen to, they're like, by Thanksgiving, the deer pretty much are back to normal.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  Well, hope so for your case.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've got a couple of things I just wanted to shout out first. Uh, Joe just had a baby with, uh, well, his wife did, and he's also there. Uh, he's, he's listening from the hospital. Congrats, Joe.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  Congrats, Joe.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  And then we've got another hospital listener from Ant-Man who says he's listening from the hospital because his spouse just got done, uh, getting her gallbladder taken out. So shout out to the husbands out there supporting, uh, supporting their wives, but also not paying attention then to listen to media radio. You're doing great. Um, let's see, Garrett's wondering, Spencer, why, uh, why you strongly favor deer hunting?

• 31:41Speaker 04

  I don't know, it's just like what I'm familiar with. It's what I grew up doing. I also like to solo hunt a lot and it is daunting to, you know, going out trying to kill an elk when you're by yourself. Deer hunting is also, what I love about whitetails is you're hunting the same animal whether you're in Maine or Saskatchewan or Texas. And I like to travel around and hunt and so I think, I think those are my favorite things about deer hunting.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  I'm not going to put any of you on the spot to actually do a call, but Jeremiah is wondering what's the best call each of you can do if you have, if you're proud of anything, any skills you have? And you can show them off if you'd like to, you don't have to.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  Ooh, Yanni, you got the faraway elk call, right?

• 32:25Speaker 02

  He can do a spot on weed eater call, but it doesn't help much in the woods. I'd like to hear that. I, I don't, what's my best call? I don't know, probably...

• 32:36Speaker 04

  Steve always hypes up your faraway elk call.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, but that's, it's just like a fun thing.

• 32:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I think...

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Sounds like a distant bugle.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  Doing a spot on weed eater, that's just a fun thing as well.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  One time I called in a herd though by whistling, but it only happened once. I've tried, tried since, but no results. But I don't know, probably an elk or a turkey would be my best call.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  I, I feel like I can do an okay hen turkey call with, with just my mouth with no calling.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's good.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, there you go. Corey, you got any, any calls that you're best at?

• 33:16Speaker 05

  Man, I feel like just estrous cow calls. I can't do it with just my mouth, but I need a diaphragm. And I have called in a pretty sizable bull elk with a blade of grass. Cause I didn't have any calls on me.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  Hell yeah. And then what happened?

• 33:28Speaker 05

  It wasn't seasoned yet, unfortunately, it was too early. So we just watched him walk five yards.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  That's why he's the best elk hunter in the office. Chris is asking if you would cut around suspected tapeworm cysts in a deer liver or just pitch it?

• 33:43Speaker 04

  Um, I, I don't know enough about tapeworm cysts, but uh, yeah, I'm, I'm probably not keeping that.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  You know, that's funny. Uh, we just got a text from, um...

• 33:56Speaker 02

  Can I, do I have enough time to find it?

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Uh, you can address it later in the show.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 34:01Speaker 04

  You can, you can look for the text now.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll look for the text now.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Corey, and any thoughts?

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Man, get rid of that thing.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Not risk it. Uh, a lot of Yannis Central, uh, content people are asking about, um, we're getting some fuzz here. I don't know if anyone's phone is near the mics. Yannis. We're live, folks. We're getting something. I'll try to, I'll try to find that. I'm just on internet. We'll, we'll troubleshoot. Um, uh, Great Danish, I'm guessing, is asking, uh, if we could get some Gear Talk segments on Radio Live. And I'm mainly throwing this out there because we've, I think it's a great idea. That is a good idea. Yeah. It's a, I don't know if you're aware of this, Yannis, but we've, we actually talked about maybe doing something like this. We were pitching this show, is bringing Gear Talk stuff back. So is that something you'd be interested in? Sure. Yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Future segment. We're gonna have Yanni talking gear.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Quick, five-minute gear sesh. And we will do one more, uh, mainly this is gonna be a promo. I'm setting you up, Yannis. Yannis, what's the hunting fishing like in Latvia? He's visited family in Lithuania before and they got a few yellow perch. Is there anywhere this person could go, Viljas, Vilja, to, to find some quality Latvian hunting content? Oh yeah. Well, I've ma- made two episodes about hunting in Latvia, the, which are on Meteor YouTube channel now. And, uh, there's also an upcoming episode, I don't know, it'll probably be out sometime in 2025, where, uh, I hunted this past summer, but, um, it was, it's great hunting. It's not as difficult, I would say, as most hunting here. Um, I don't know.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  It's just, it's a small place and critics just don't seem to be able to get away from you. They're allowed to use thermals.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  You described it for like it's, it's, uh, some gloves off situation.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Like the, the goal is to kill an animal.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah, I've hunted, uh, red deer there and pigs and raccoon dogs and roe deer, which I killed one this summer, which was cool, to kill a full grown buck that was only 50 pounds. You can do that Cameron Haynes thing, you know, you throw them on your shoulders and walk out really easily with those little road deer.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Did you do that?

• 36:10Speaker 02

  I did.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  The other thing I know about hunting in Latvia is that Yanni smoked a cigarette there. Was that a celebratory cigarette or was just like it was part of the culture so you thought you should have one?

• 36:20Speaker 02

  So that was my first trip ever there. It was literally my first five hours, maybe three hours of being in Latvia. And so, yes, I was celebrating sort of a homecoming in a way and.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  You wanted to smell like Latvian.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  We were sitting outside of this, you know, late night pizza joint, enjoying some beers with some friends I hadn't seen in a decade or more. And, you know, my crew from Meat Eater was there. We're having a great time and some gals next to us are smoking up cigarettes one after another. And I just thought, you know, when in Riga, have a ciggy.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  Was it satisfying?

• 36:54Speaker 02

  No, it was a bad decision.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  I also told you it took me four days to brush that taste out of my mouth. He might get mad at me for bringing this up. When we went to Venice for the Meat Eater experiences, Randall was technically on vacation. So the first thing we did on the way to the marina was stop at a store so Randall would get a pack of cigarettes. I think he told me he smoked two and then threw the rest of the pack away.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  That's good content. That's the behind the scenes stuff we need on Meat Eater Radio.

• 37:26Speaker 06

  I'm just going to chime in for two things really quickly. Vilias, shout out to you, my paternal grandfather's Lithuanian. And then also I want to go back to the tapeworm larva cyst. So a friend of mine, Kristen, shot a deer and sent me a photo of, you know, it looks gross, a little, little white cysts, like rice looking things in her liver. And she wasn't sure what that was. So I sent a picture to Jim Heffelfinger and he said that the tapeworm larva cysts are harmless to humans, but don't let your dog eat it.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 38:06Speaker 06

  I mean, you may not be wanting to eat that stuff, but.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  If you trust the world's best deer biologist, then go ahead and enjoy that liver, but don't let your dog. All right, moving on, our next segment is one minute fishing.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Go ahead, make my cast. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Seth Morris, who's on the Gallatin River in Montana. And he's fishing for a donation to Walleye's Unlimited. Seth, welcome to the show.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  How's it going, guys?

• 38:49Speaker 04

  Going good. Seth had to go to a river today because all of the still water in Bozeman is now frozen up. Seth, uh, what's the tactic we're using today to catch a trout?

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Well, I got the old trusty spinning rod again. Um, I got a spoon on, it's called a Niddy One. I don't know if you can see that. Um, made in Pennsylvania. I used to catch a lot of trout in Pennsylvania on this thing, so. We're gonna give it a shot. Um, I will admit, we have been fishing here for the last 20 minutes and haven't caught anything, so.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  So you're gonna keep doing the same thing, or you're trying something different for one minute fishing?

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Well, I just recently switched up to this, made a couple casts, so.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Well, see, there's actually risers right now. I should have a fly rod, but, um.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  Yep. Heard that before.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  We'll see what we can do.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  Corey, uh, it's now winter in Montana. You've got rising fish there on the Gallatin. What would you be doing if you were trying to catch one of these things?

• 39:45Speaker 05

  Oh, tie on a little size 20 blue wing olive.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:49Speaker 05

  Dry fly.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  I will say, there, there has been flyfishers who have been here the whole time we've been here, and they haven't caught anything.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  Oh, alright, well, Seth is gonna show them up right now. Seth, your one minute of fishing starts when you make your first cast. Go ahead.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Alright, let's do it. They're getting fooled by those risers, you know, there's like 10% of the fish are eating those bugs on the surface. The other 90% are eating the, the, uh, um.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Emerging.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Emerging bugs in the water column.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're just seeing the tails go back down, perhaps.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Maybe he'll hook a big old mountain whitefish.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  Seth is-

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Snag it in the tail.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Twenty seconds in, one cast down.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  He's not jerking at all. Looks like he's fishing a little slower water off of the main current here.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Nice little back Eddie. Twenty-five seconds to go for you Seth.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  He's efficient, he's not like Randall, uh, getting his, uh, his lure hung up in the trees.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Ten seconds to go Seth.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  That's a good angle.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  Oh, God, it's tough, man. Time is up. No donation today for Walleye's Unlimited.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  I didn't have a whole lot of hope, but, uh, worth the try.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Well, next time, uh, we're gonna send Corey out there. He's gonna have his fly rod and, uh, he's gonna show you and those other fly fishermen how it's done.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  No, I think next time we should punch a few holes in some ice.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, there you go. There you go. I, I imagine on the mead eater pond, there's like, what, uh, inch and a half of ice right now, so we're, we're gonna have to wait another couple of weeks, probably.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it'll freeze up quick.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  All right. Thank you for joining us Seth. Uh, maybe catch one of those and send us a photo.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Will do. Thanks, guys.

• 41:47Speaker 04

  You're right. You made that look way too easy in Louisiana a couple of weeks ago, Yanni.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  You were, you were definitely chumming the water before that, right?

• 41:54Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, that's, we're, we're fishing at a fish cleaning station, so the, the water is constantly chummed.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. That'll probably be the only time we have somebody catch like six fish in the one-minute fishing segment.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Well, we also had two anglers going after it, but, um, yeah, if there was a place where it was just about guaranteed, that was it.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  All right. Our next segment is from Chester Floyd. This is Chetiquet.

• 42:33Speaker 04

  This week Chester is answering a listener's question about finder's keeper's rules in the Alaskan backcountry. Take it away, Chet.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Hello everybody. My name's Chester Floyd and I'm coming at you from a basement in Wisconsin. And this week's Cheddar Kit comes to us from Cooper. And Cooper writes, "I've been an Alaskan hunting and fishing guide for 12 years, and I'm generally against do-it-yourself moose hunts for various reasons. In September of 2023, a group of three men did a DIY moose hunt on a remote river. They successfully harvested a legal bull, but due to their inexperience navigating, they hit several log jams and in the end had to call for a helicopter rescue.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  In Alaska, that meant leaving all their gear and even the moose behind. In August 2024, I took my jet boat up the same river, found the rafts, and even spotted the moose rack still attached to one. Just as I was about to give up, I noticed something red sticking out of a log jam, and after scavenging the area, I recovered about $10,000 worth of gear, including optics, a bow my size, and other equipment, though no rifles. Both items were still in working condition, and I split them up amongst the guides and packers.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Now, I'm wondering, should I have made an effort to contact the hunters and return their gear, or does finders keepers apply here?" That's Cooper.

• 44:21Speaker 03

  Cooper's getting tired of moose trip guys saying that they can row. Only DIY float trip guys are always rolling rafts in the river holes. Cooper is a hunting guide who went for a jet boat ride. Believe it or not, he found those rafts, and I'll be damned the moose rack's still attached.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  When you're on a moose trip boat, you better keep the damn thing afloat. Or your pile of rite of tears and some guy named Cooper will be drinking your still cold beer.

• 45:07Speaker 06

  Oh, brilliant.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Cooper, I think it's wonderful that you went in there and got all that inevitable trash off the river. I think if you want to keep that stuff, you shouldn't feel bad. But I'm going to tell you what I would do. I would call that guy or try and contact those fellas and let them know what you got. There's a chance that those guys might say, "Keep some of it." There's a chance they might say they want it all back. Who knows? They were inexperienced. They probably shouldn't have been doing what they were doing. But I don't know if I could live with myself with all that stuff of theirs and not be thinking about it for a long time to come.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  If I found a wallet in a bar, no matter how drunk the guy was or something, I'd call the guy and try and give it back. This is way different. And it was like a year later and it would have been just left there for trash. So like I said, you want to keep that stuff? I don't think you should feel too bad about it. They left it there. But I would call them personally.

• 46:19Speaker 04

  Thank you, Chester. A beautiful and clever song from him. To recap, we had some DIY moose hunters in Alaska who got in a bad place, had to call for a helicopter rescue. And then it sounds like a year later, like a year later, a guide went in there and found their gear and moose rack and took some of it with him. Yanni, thoughts on that?

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Um, I pretty much agree with Chester, but if I was gonna call him and they're like, "Oh, we'd like our gear back." I'd be like, "Okay, well, this is what it's gonna cost you."

• 46:52Speaker 02

  Otherwise, I wouldn't give it back to him.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Corey, you guided some days in your life. What do you think about this?

• 46:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've found a lot of river booty in my time on the rivers.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Oh, give me some examples.

• 47:03Speaker 05

  Well, let's see. I used to guide in the Bob Marshall Wilderness and we would do seven day pack trips. And saw a guy lose all his stuff. He slipped on a rock, lost stuff, including his rod. And he was like flagging us down like, "Hey, help me look for my rod." And we never found it that day, but a week later, when we came back in and threw down on the river, we knew that there was gonna be fishing stuff there. The river had dropped quite a bit late summer. And so between myself and another guide, we were kinda racing to get down there to see who could find anything. And sure enough, there was the tip top of a fly rod sticking right there and I was able to grab it. Beautiful sage rod. I still have it to this day.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 05

  And I did put out a Craigslist notification that I found this in the middle of the Bob Marshall Wilderness. If anybody wants it back, I got it. And never heard anything. And then I found rods in the gallatin, or along the gallatin on Highway 191 and put out a Craigslist ad. And the guy got back to me, uh, gave me $50 for finding easily $2,000 worth of gear sitting on the side of the highway.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Wow. Yeah, I think in all of those instances, that's the right thing to do.

• 48:10Speaker 05

  This one's different, though.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  But again, here, it's like, these boys should have, like, the right thing they should have done is to hire somebody to go back in there and get their junk out of the woods. They just left it.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Well, I think this guide said he came back in August to get it. And we don't know when those moose hunters were there, but probably the fall before.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  Um, so he, you know, those guys had all summer to either come back themselves or send someone else in there to get it.

• 48:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. That's pretty frustrating. A little wanton waste, too, leaving all that moose meat back there.

• 48:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. That was a unique Chedikit, right? And normally the Chedikit questions are like, "What happens if someone sits 100 yards from me on public land? Uh, we're never gonna get another..." One like what we just had.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  I do think I would like to add that I don't think that the guy should be too upset or or or not, you know, pro DIY moose hunts.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Because of events like this. I mean, it's events like this to actually make a DIY moose hunt, the adventure that it is because there is the chance of this happening and you have to go in there and and face those hurdles and face those challenges and, you know, some people may not be prepared for it and they're gonna have to get, you know, airlifted out or whatever, but, um, I hope that people go and keep trying to do adventures like that forever, you know, and that hopefully some will fail. I mean, like the guy we interviewed the other day on Meteor Podcast, dude tried to live in the woods on a river near him and he found him dead.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Not everybody's cut out for it. Sneak sneak peek for an episode that won't be airing for several weeks.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  All right. Thank you, Cooper. Thank you, Chester.

• 49:46Steven Rinella?

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• 52:17Speaker 04

  Joining us on the line last is author Jared Sullivan, who just released his new book, Valley So Low. It's about the Kingston, Tennessee fossil plant disaster, which was the worst coal ash spill in American history. Jared, welcome to the show.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Hey y'all. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  First thing, Jared, give us some background on the Kingston fossil plant.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it was, it's a huge coal-fired power plant built by the Tennessee Valley Authority, which is like a cornerstone of the New Deal, created by FDR. TBA helped lift the South Aloud poverty during the Great Depression by basically throwing up all these hydroelectric dams, then coal-fired power plants, brought industry here. So.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Over several decades, coal ash is like the what's left over after you when you're burning coal to produce electricity. It's like a sooty, sandy gross stuff. It's full of arsenic and silica and radium, just like nasty gross stuff. So this, a big pile of it had accumulated over five or six decades and this pile was six stories tall and 84 acres around. And in the middle of the night in December of 2008, this big thing just collapsed into the middle of the river or cover into a river but also covered a bunch of land. It covered 300 acres in this gross coal sludge. So my book, that's kind of where it starts, is this big mountain of coal sludge collapsing. It kind of, it kind of goes from there and follows some of

• 53:44Speaker 02

  these, some of these workers and an attorney who get involved in the fray.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  And with this coal ash, what impacts does that have on soil, water, plants, animals?

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Oh, it's not, it's like nasty stuff, man. It's like you, you wouldn't, you don't want anywhere near you. I found old newspaper dispatches from our local paper here in Nashville, where fishermen back in the 60s are complaining that it's killing fish because tied to their stringers as they're, as they're going down the lake and fishing and stuff. Yeah, it's like, it's, it's just full of gross stuff. So basically what happened after this big mountain of ash collapsed, 900 men and women from across the country descended on the site to help clean it up, these blue collar workers. And TVA, Tennessee Valley Authority, and one of the contractors basically just didn't supply them with respirators and dust masks. And so these workers over a number of years are just, as, are just inhaling this coal

• 54:36Speaker 02

  ash stuff that's in, in the air. Because it started off really mucky and sludgy all over the ground, but eventually in Tennessee's hot, this stuff, after a year or so under the sun, it started blowing around the job site. These workers started inhaling it. They're inhaling arsenic and radium and all this really, really nasty stuff. So they fall sick really, really fast and they, they approached this local personal injury attorney in Knoxville named Jim Scott, who was kind of the only person who would hear them out. He He's not like a big hotshot lawyer by any means. He has a little office in Knoxville, like in a strip mall and he uh he's not the most like organized of attorney, but he had a lot of heart and he he listened to these blue collar workers and

• 55:16Speaker 02

  and went went to bat for them to try to get them damages. So my my book's kind of like a legal thriller in that regard.

• 55:22Speaker 04

  Give us some examples of the fallout for these people who worked to clean up that coal ash.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Oh man, I should say a lot of these people were sportsmen. Like one worker I follow in particular, and his name's Ansel Clark. He's passed away. Uh, he's like a big squirrel hunter. He liked to go shoot squirrels like a 22 Magnum on the Cumberland Plateau here in East Tennessee or in East Tennessee. Within a couple of years, uh, Ansel, heart failure, congestive heart failure, lung problems. He eventually gets, he eventually got this really rare form of blood cancer and uh he he had a stroke in in 2021 and died. So uh more than 50 of these workers who helped clean up this this this big mess are are are dead now. So I I really think it's an American tragedy. TBA has done a lot of good for this part of the country. It's created a lot of beautiful reservoirs that are great for fishing and all this stuff, but

• 56:13Speaker 02

  it has not been, in my view, a very, a very good environmental steward in recent years, which is a real shame.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  And why wasn't this a bigger story when it happened? If this was the country's worst coal catastrophe ever, uh, why 16 years are most of us just hearing about it now?

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it was not only like the largest, one of the largest coal disasters, one of the, one of the largest environmental disasters, full stop in the United States, a hundred times larger than Exxon Valdez. This coal last sludge was a billion gallons. It could have filled the Empire State Building four times over. I mean, it was biblical in scope what happened, but it was Christmas, it was, this happened days before Christmas, 2008. The new, I think the news media was slow to respond. Also like the, there's a lot of other stuff happening in the country. The economy was on its knees because of the the financial meltdown. Barack Obama was about to become president. It was people, I think people were just distracted. Right? I mean, it just the people didn't have their eye on, you know, just weren't following it that closely.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  So it also like TVA, they came out and said after this big, after this, all the sludge got everywhere that it was not, it didn't pose a threat to the public. So then I think the media kind of went, okay, great. Like this isn't, this isn't that toxic. We, we won't worry about it. Well, it turns out that was, that was not truthful at all. I found memos from the National Archives that indicate, that show that TVA is known since 1964, that this coal ash slough stuff can peel the paint off your car, get eaten away at vegetables in your vegetable garden if it falls over it. So it's just nasty, nasty stuff, man.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  And you're a local to that area, Jared. What do you remember in 2008, uh, when this happened about, about the coal catastrophe?

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a, it's a good question. I, I grew up in South Nashville and I remember watching on the news and there's some, I would recommend your

• 58:00Speaker 02

  viewers go listen to, pull up the, the helicopter footage from that day, man. It, it is, it will stick with you. A billion gallons of sludge over 300 acres. So I remember, I remember watching this footage. I remember TVA people coming on television saying, this stuff, yeah, it can, might contain some arsenic, but it's like not, it's like not a big deal. I remember them saying that, then jump ahead, um, 10 years I was an editor. First I was an editor at Film and Stream, but in 2018, I was an editor at Men's Journal. I remember I came across these, uh, courtroom dispatches where these sick workers went to trial, tried to get damages for their illnesses. Yeah. So I, when I, when I read those dispatches, I, I knew exactly what the story was. I mean, I knew, I, I remember the spill happening and I just thought this is a story I want, I want to dive deep into.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  So yeah, I spent five years reporting a book about what happened and I kind of wrote it as a, as a, like it's like a legal thriller, following this kind of like, uh, small town lawyer trying to do right by his, by his neighbors and by his community and trying to seek damages for these, for these workers. So yeah, the book's called Valley Solo and I would hope y'all, uh, hope your listeners check it out.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  And when viewed through the courtroom story that plays out in the book, do you feel saddened, uh, by our country's legal system? Or was it the opposite? And, and you're encouraged because people like Jim Scott exist?

• 59:15Speaker 02

  No, I was pretty, I'm pretty doubt, like, no, it's, uh, I was already like pretty cynical before I started this project. It made me very cynical about the EPA. About their ability to monitor, protect, protect folks from, from hazards. EPA, the EPA has had a good idea for a long time, but this coal ash stuff is toxic too, but it's not technically considered a hazardous waste by the EPA, which is a shame because this stuff is nasty. It hurts the environment, it hurts people, it contaminates thousands of miles of American rivers each year, this coal ash stuff. There are 750 of these ponds throughout the United States. It's not just a Tennessee problem. It's, it's a national problem, but EPA has been, hasn't regulated it well enough and to the detriment of wildlife and to people.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  But yeah, the legal, it's also just a tragic legal tale, like, I mean, this is not a shocker, I guess, but like, blue collar workers going up against huge billion, multi-billion dollar organizations, you know, the billion dollar organization is going to win. Even if they, even if the workers, even the jury sides with the worker, these billion dollar companies, they hire these slick lawyers and they can just appeal and appeal and appeal and appeal forever. And basically, and force you to capitulate, basically, like force, force the, they forced the workers in my case to take a settlement that was in my view, way below what they deserved. Because they can just drag the case out forever. That's what happened in Exxon Valdez too, you know, the Exxon Valdez wrecked that Alaska fishery. Well,

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  a jury ruled against Exxon in that case, but Exxon went out and hired these slick lawyers, the same lawyer, and they could just drag the case up forever. So eventually these Alaska fishermen just capitulated and just took whatever, because after a decade or so, they're like, we have to move on with our lives, you know, we have to, I can't keep fighting Exxon court in the same, very similar story what happened with my book.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  Our system is not set up to deal with, with disasters like this, in my view.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  I saw a lot of reviews from people from Tennessee who thanked you for writing this book, because it was a story that needed to be told. So, I want to thank you again for giving a voice to those people who were impacted by the disaster. Valley Solo is available right now, wherever books are sold. Jared, thanks for joining us and congrats on the book.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Thanks y'all. Good to see you Spencer. Thanks Jared.

• 1:01:32Speaker 04

  Alright, our next segment is Tattoos I Regret.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Hello darkness, my old friend.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  I've looked at my tattoo again.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  It really seemed like such a good idea. When I was drunk last summer in Ibiza.

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  The tattoo says a puss and a pot will always find more bees. What the [__] does that mean?

• 1:02:07Speaker 05

  It's a tattoo. I regret.

• 1:02:14Speaker 04

  Oh, well done, Phil.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  We just need to come up with more segments so Phil can make more jingles.

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  That is just amazing. No, you gotta, you just gotta put every single jingle, like, in one audio record. That's it.

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  Phil said he had, uh, people complaining about the usual sound that we use for Tattoos I Regret, so he was bringing us a new one.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  I mean, let's be honest, it was mainly one person. I'm not gonna name him.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. That was beautiful, Phil.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Does his first name start with S and last name start with R? It's very possible. Who's to say?

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  Today's regrettable tattoo comes from Austin Tarby. If you have a hunting or fishing-related tattoo that you regret, email us at [email protected]. Alright, Phil has now pulled up the picture of Austin's tattoo. Here is his story. "I have a hunting tattoo that I regret. This tattoo was done on a drunken, irresponsible New Year's Eve. For some reason, my buddy Kyle's parents thought that it would be a great idea to get him a tattoo machine for Christmas that year. Kyle, who is one of the worst artists I've ever met, suggested that somebody should get new ink that night. His girlfriend then piped up by saying that she would love to tattoo somebody.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  I, being drunk, young, and dumb, that's a dangerous combo, decided that I wanted a tattoo. Here I present to you my seagulls, or penguins, which were supposed to be cupping ducks. Luckily, this tattoo didn't cost me anything, but it gets a lot of questions." Wow.

• 1:03:50Speaker 06

  Where's the placement, guys?

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  I was describing this beforehand. This is like a very masculine tattoo to get of cupping ducks that you're about to shoot in the face in a very feminine spot. It's like kind of on his hip, on the front side, lower than his navel.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Were you like appendixes? Is that about the spot?

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Between the hip bone and the belly button, leaning towards the hip bone a little bit.

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he's got four ducks there that are supposed to be cupping. But as Austin described it, it looks more like penguins or seagulls.

• 1:04:27Speaker 05

  I don't think the tat looks that bad, just the placements.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't know, there's a lot of negative space that isn't really working. Like, one on the top right especially looks like a deformed penguin.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, it kind of looks like a petroglyph. Which, you know, like those people, those people were taking rocks and carving things into other rocks.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  But it's close enough that, that if you didn't know the context and someone just showed you that, you would say, hey, it's bad, but it's cupping ducks, right?

• 1:04:59Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:05:00Speaker 06

  Someone said the tattoo cost him his dignity.

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, that's pretty expensive. Kyle is exactly the kind of person who would get a tattoo gun from his parents for Christmas. If I, if I were picking one name, it would be, that's totally a Kyle thing to do.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  The, the nice thing about his cupping ducks, I think that he could probably go to a,

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  another tattoo artist with maybe some better art skills, and fix them up a little bit, add the feet dropping down. You know, maybe widen them out a little bit, and maybe add another one to fill in that negative space that Phil was talking about. And I actually don't mind the location. I don't, I, I think when you like hide a tattoo, it's like, why did you get one when it's in a place where it's, it's hidden?

• 1:05:52Speaker 04

  It's pretty hidden.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know if he lives in a warm, uh, place where he's walking around without his shirt on all the time.

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  Plays a lot of shirts and skins basketball.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  It would be worse if he had it like above his butt crack, you know, on his back.

• 1:06:07Speaker 06

  Where girls get butterflies and flowers.

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  I think if there was a shotgun, maybe on the other side of the hip.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  Oh, sure.

• 1:06:15Speaker 05

  With some, you know, scatter blasting.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Or even better, below the waistline, there'd be a dude coming up out of a blind with a gun.

• 1:06:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, just like a little.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  This is free advice for you, Austin. Um, so if you know other folks out there have tattoos.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  In the bush, like you would say.

• 1:06:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, no. If other people have tattoos they regret, we're just handing out wisdom here on, uh, how you can make it better. Yanni had some silver linings and Cory pointed out before the show that, uh, Santa Claus isn't carrying around a lot of tattoo guns, uh, on Christmas Eve. So, uh, good, good on Kyle for, for asking for that that year.

• 1:06:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, unique gift, but.

• 1:06:56Speaker 06

  There's some funny comments from the audience. There should be reeds coming up out of the waistline. And Nick says, get appendicitis and have the doctors remove the tattoos.

• 1:07:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, that's good.

• 1:07:09Speaker 05

  Nah, keep it.

• 1:07:10Speaker 04

  And you can see a picture of this tattoo, uh, on YouTube. So if you wanna enjoy looking at Kyle's waistline, excuse, not Kyle's, uh, Austin's waistline with us, you can go over to the Meat Eater YouTube channel. All right, that brings us to the end of the show. Phil, what do we have from the live chat today?

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Uh, Yannis, this guy Troy has asked multiple times if you specifically are coming to Wisconsin for the Whitetail opener on Saturday. Yes, sir, Troy. I'm flying there tomorrow with my oldest daughter. Uh, we'll be getting into camp about 8:00 PM and quickly packing our bags, making lunch and hitting the. And uh, and we got a 30 minute walk to our stand. So uh, yeah, we'll be there, right and squirrely. Uh, as they say, um, on the internet username checks out. Canadian Hunter is, uh, says, listening to trivia is great, but sometimes as a Canadian, it's hard to answer a lot of the American questions. I would love an episode or two of Canadian focused questions. Ooh, I like it. Is that something you would do, Spencer?

• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  Canadian Hunter, um, I recently wrote a question for an episode we'll record in a few weeks. That is all about Canada. So I think you'll get that one right. Uh, another thing is we have crossword puzzles on our website now, and I did one that was just for Canada. So Canadian Hunter 21, you should go play that Canadian crossword puzzle. But to answer your question uh, about a Canadian episode, probably not going to happen, but I'll throw you little bones every now and then.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Uh, Brent Reeves is bragging about some chili he made and disappointed that he couldn't, uh, enter it into the contest we had at the office yesterday.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had 12 entries yesterday and our winner was Bree. I think we had Logan get second and Tressa get third. So I came back to defend my title and it did not happen this year.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Brent would love some of your bourbon cornbread with the chili. Would have been, would have been delicious.

• 1:09:07Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. That could have won it for him.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Uh, Luke is asking, Yanis, since you're in the process of creating deer habitat, what trees would you recommend planting to balance both longevity and habitat or longevity, longevity of habitat and timeliness of production within your own life? Longevity. That's a tricky one. Uh, boy, I haven't gotten that far along in my, uh, deer habitat creation process. Um, man, uh, but if I had, I, I think just the little bit I know, um, and we've certainly talked a little bit about it is I'd probably just go with some fruit trees of some sort and, uh, probably some apples and find some. Apple trees that grow well in my part of Wisconsin.

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, whitetail hunters, habitat managers always talk about plugging the lowest hole in the bucket. That is your property. So if your property is lacking fruit trees, then that's probably your answer. If if your property is an area that historically has acorns, but you don't have any there right now. Plant some oak trees. Look what it whatever you're lacking. That would be my advice.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Was I saying longevity? You were. Holy cow, I didn't even realize I was saying that. Wow. It's okay. That's I think I might just keep also stick with that. See how it works.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  I wasn't gonna bring it up, Phil.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  That's fine. Please correct me. I'd rather have someone correct me on the spot than me look like an idiot for the rest of my life. Um, let's see. Mogor is asking if we're gonna do any more meat eater movie clubs because it's been a while.

• 1:10:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  Next week, we will not be live on Thursday because it's Thanksgiving, but we will still drop an episode of Meat Eater Radio on Thursday at 11 a.m. Mountain Time on YouTube with the podcast coming the next day. And on that episode, there will be the return of the Meat Eater Movie Club. Randall and the crew will be reviewing the 1997 thriller, The Edge, which you can stream on Amazon Prime. So Mogor, go watch it before Thursday's episode if you want to join in on the discussion.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, and really quick, unlike the last pre taped episode we did when we were in Louisiana, we couldn't stream that one live. Even though this is going to be pre recorded, we will be streaming it live. So the live chat will be active. It'll be treated like a normal show that's happening currently. So I'm gonna try to be in the live chat if I can get away with it. So.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, if you don't like your family, that would be a good place to hang out.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Well, you know, come to your own conclusions.

• 1:11:34Speaker 06

  We're also gonna have a very special guest.

• 1:11:37Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, a very special guest.

• 1:11:40Speaker 06

  Not from the human species.

• 1:11:42Speaker 04

  For the Thanksgiving episode, what could it be?

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  Bart the bear? Probably a monkey.

• 1:11:47Speaker 04

  Anything else, Phil?

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  Uh, you know what? I kinda use that as sort of a way to transition to the outro here, so.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  Also, uh, you know, Black Friday is happening right now at Meat Eater. It goes through December 2nd. It's our biggest sale of the year at First Light, FHF, Phelps, Dave Smith Decoys, Meat Eater. Uh, and, and this is new for this year. There's a photo contest starting on Monday, November 25th, where people can submit their favorite hunting photos for a chance to win a bunch of sweet gear. So, Black Friday sale's happening right now. Go over to, uh...

• 1:12:22Speaker 05

  I think this very shirt I'm wearing right now is, uh, half off.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Half off?

• 1:12:26Speaker 05

  Is that right, Corey? I believe so. It seems like a heck of a discount, but yeah, I believe you're right.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  And he got a real compliment from that before we even knew it was, it was half off.

• 1:12:36Speaker 05

  It's a slick shirt.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  Slick shirts, uh, for sale right now for Black Friday. Anything else today?

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:12:44Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  You wanna talk about anything else? You guys feeling?

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  Big football game in Montana this Saturday. Cat Grizz. Go Grizz, right, everybody?

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  Oh, no, I'm a Cats fan.

• 1:12:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:55Speaker 05

  I'm from western Montana, so.

• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:57Speaker 05

  Grizz or die, baby.

• 1:12:58Speaker 04

  I'll be there. I'll be there. First row, I'm gonna storm the field when we win again.

• 1:13:01Speaker 05

  Oh, are you really?

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah. Every game, every game I'm there, uh, they win, they storm the-

• 1:13:06Speaker 05

  You storm the field?

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  Well, I don't start storming of the field, right? It's like the student section that floods out there, and then I'm like, "Yeah, I'll get in on that." Uh, so I bend to-

• 1:13:14Speaker 05

  Aren't you a little too old for that, Spencer?

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:13:16Speaker 05

  Wonder if you'll be tearing down the goalposts and taking it down to downtown?

• 1:13:20Speaker 04

  I've been to three games where they stormed the field. Uh, I think two brawl of the wilds, and did they beat SDSU in the playoffs a few years ago?

• 1:13:27Speaker 05

  Mm.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  Fun time.

• 1:13:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've never been, uh, that into the college football thing, but, uh, I, when we were in for the live tour, we were in Penn State at, uh, in State College, I interviewed a couple folks, and, um, I really got to experience just the level of fandom and the passion there. One kid told me, he's like, "We're gonna win, and when we win, we're gonna storm the field, then we're gonna pull down the goalposts, and then we're gonna carry that goalposts downtown."

• 1:14:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  I'm like-

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  Man, I love the passion.

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  That's what's fun about college football. Best fans in the country.

• 1:14:06Speaker 05

  What happened at that football game?

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  Uh, Ohio State beat them. Yeah, it was bummer. But it was still fun to see, fun game.

• 1:14:13Speaker 05

  Well, Montana, we don't have a professional team, of course, so this college football brawl of the wild is as big as it gets.

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'll see you there on Saturday, Corey.

• 1:14:22Speaker 05

  Good day to go hunting too, because a lot of people will be watching the football game.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  You boys have fun.

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  All right, that brings us to the end of today's show. We'll see you back here in same time and place in a week.

• 1:14:31Speaker 06

  Watch me eat a rough cuts.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 1:14:44Steven Rinella?

  I'll tell you one thing that binds together all of the vehicles in the Rinella fleet at my house. They all have WeatherTech floor liners. When we get a new car, the first thing we do, out with the junky factory carpet mats, in with WeatherTech. They really are the best. They're indestructible. You can pull them out, hose them off. It doesn't matter what happens on the floor of your rig. If you've got WeatherTech, you're going to be covered. I love these things. If you're looking to get a great gift for someone, especially if they're a big time outdoors kind of person, like if you really want to do them a favor, get them some WeatherTech floor liners for their truck or car. They'll have a way easier time keeping their rig nice and clean, and they'll get years and years of use out of a set.

• 1:15:29Steven Rinella?

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