High Performance Coach: The Truth About Losing Weight & Belly Fat | Dan Go

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I was a degenerate, pretty much like my entire life up until my twenties.

• 0:03Codie Sanchez?

  This week, we have the performance coach to high performers. He has had his team help people lose 100,000 pounds.

• 0:12Speaker 00

  If you have a big belly, it's gonna fuck up your brain. How do you think you're gonna feel? Am I going to change my lifestyle? Or am I willing to take medications for the rest of my life?

• 0:20Codie Sanchez?

  Our ring is not going to like this podcast.

• 0:23Speaker 00

  Okay, so my whole thing about these trackers.

• 0:26Codie Sanchez?

  It's a really good point, actually.

• 0:27Speaker 00

  There's no free lunch. If you are metabolically healthy, you are less likely to be controlled.

• 0:32Codie Sanchez?

  You can have a thousand problems in life until you have a health problem.

• 0:36Speaker 00

  What's gonna happen if you don't take care of yourself?

• 0:41Codie Sanchez?

  Hi, this is Codie Sanchez. Welcome back to the Big Deal Podcast. This week, we have the performance coach to high performers. He is one of the top health and fitness coach in the country. For 20 years, he's been turning people who maybe have a lot of wealth, but don't have the right kind of health completely around, to the fact that he has had his team help people lose 100,000 pounds. His name's Dan Go. We get into a bunch of reasons that will shock you about why you aren't losing weight, how to be healthy, how your brain is performing if you aren't very healthy, and why doing this one hack might be the way to stop those hunger pains. Can't wait to get into this conversation with Dan Go.

• 1:26Codie Sanchez?

  And I have something for all of you business owners. It is a grading system to see if your business could be sold for the max dollar right now, or if you are actually operating in an F business. We use this proprietary quiz that we honed with thousands of owners to help you figure out where your business is at. Go to the link in bio to learn about Dominion and to get access to your free grade. And you can tell me in the comments what grade your business has. So this line I was obsessed with the other week on your Twitter, it totally changed my perspective on how to think about health. And the line was this, "I'd die for my family," in quotes. Okay, would you lift three times a week? Eat a nutrient-dense diet? Fix your sleep habits? Walk 10,000 steps?

• 2:10Codie Sanchez?

  And stop drinking so much alcohol for them? Tell me about that quote.

• 2:16Speaker 00

  Dying to me is easy. Living is way much harder. It takes way more effort. And I remember talking to an entrepreneur about this. And he was like, oh, yeah, man, like, like every parent would say is like, I would die for my family. And I was like, OK, cool. Uh, let's let's juxtapose this. So let's just say like your daughter is on the other side of a bridge and you're on the other side. And the bridge is going to explode unless you live three times a week, unless you do the things that we're asking to do nutrition wise. Unless you fix your sleep and also give up alcohol. Are you willing to do this? He's like, I do I have to do the alcohol bit?

• 3:00Speaker 00

  And I'm just like, dude, your daughter is on the other side. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I'll do it. And and thing to me is just the fact that it is so easy to say, oh, yeah, I'll die for this. I'll die for that. But the effort of living, the effort of actually going to the gym three times a week, the effort of controlling the foods that go into your mouth. The effort of actually putting yourself to sleep every single day for eight hours a day. That is much harder. That is way more effort than just saying I'm willing to take a bullet for someone. So so I I feel like a lot of people would be willing to die, but not a lot of people will be willing to live for their kids.

• 3:38Codie Sanchez?

  It's actually fascinating. When did you first notice that?

• 3:42Speaker 00

  I noticed that when my first daughter came out. And when my first daughter came out, I was like, I am willing to do everything for you. And I am willing to run through walls. I'm willing to build whatever you want me to build. I'm I'm willing to do everything. And something that not a lot of people know is that I had my first kid when I was like 40 years old.

• 4:07Speaker 00

  That's old in like traditional sense.

• 4:11Speaker 00

  And and for me, I was just like, okay, well, I'm forty years old. I'm having my first kid. I wanna be here as long as I can be for her. And that means I wanna live till like I'm one hundred and ten, one hundred and twenty, one hundred and thirty, if that is at all possible. I wanna be there as long as I can. So I have to look at myself. I have to look at my own health and be like, okay, so what am I doing? This is the reason why I'm getting more into longevity. This is the reason why I'm doing my blood work six months or every six months. This is the reason why I'm doing DEXA scans. It's because I wanna make sure that I am lining myself as much as I can to be there as long as as possible for her.

• 4:49Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:49Codie Sanchez?

  It's fascinating, though, because it's so damn hard. Like, I don't know what the difference is. Why are we saying? Why do you think that we are so willing to say, yeah, you could shoot me and that would be okay?

• 5:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:00Codie Sanchez?

  But I won't make these life changes. Is it just because it's instant and painful as opposed to continuous and sort of low-grade pain?

• 5:08Speaker 00

  Absolutely. I I do think that I say this a lot, where getting in shape in general is a subtle and slow compounding effect of feeling more positive.

• 5:20Codie Sanchez?

  Hmm.

• 5:20Speaker 00

  I remember you actually posted this thing where you you said, okay, well, I quit alcohol for a month. I ate protein for a month. I did all this stuff for a month. I don't feel any different. What what what what gives? And there's another guy who actually came out with almost like copied you word for word. He got like a hundred thousand likes. And the thing is, is that you you aren't going to feel the differences within the month. It's almost like saying, okay, well, I tried everything I could to build a business for thirty days. It didn't work out. I don't think this is for me, guys. Like, I don't think this is for me.

• 5:50Codie Sanchez?

  Shit. Okay, that tracks.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then it's just like, and and for me, it's like this instant gratification that people expect, especially when they're trying to get in shape.

• 5:59Codie Sanchez?

  Yep.

• 5:59Speaker 00

  Uh, they want things to be fast. They want things to be as instant as humanly possible. But the thing that we know about getting in shape and the thing that we know about business is that it's about the incremental improvements. And these incremental improvements are not necessarily things that you're going to see instantaneously. But if you have enough awareness over ninety days, over six months, and you actually track this stuff. You're gonna see, oh crap, I actually made pretty good decisions over ninety days. I actually was able to control my emotions over ninety days. I was able to wake up out of bed and actually like feel like I wanted to crush the day after ninety days. It takes a little bit more and I and I remember I was talking to a client. We helped him drop twenty pounds, do all this kind of stuff.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  And then I asked him after ninety days, I was just like, okay, so tell me what's happening in your life, what's going on? Oh dude, we just like crushed our record, we had a record breaking month. I'm having like the best time with my wife, like we're doing it, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I was like, well, do you understand that this is a reflection of like how you feel? Because you've dropped twenty pounds of fat off of your body. You're not carrying around this weight fest on you. And then he was just like, I never really thought about it like that. And no one does. And even it goes the other, it goes the other way as well. We're getting out of shape is a slow burn. Oh gosh.

• 7:21Speaker 00

  And then you wake up one day, you you actually like eat the junk food, you binge eat at night or you drink enough times and it becomes a habit. And then that becomes your new normal and you're like, oh, cool, this is what life is like. It goes both ways and people don't realize it until they have to go through it long enough.

• 7:37Codie Sanchez?

  It's true, you know, the other quote that I love that you have is that the American diet was meant to put you in an American hospital for American healthcare, so you can buy American pharma drugs.

• 7:47Speaker 00

  Yes, yes, the system sucks. And this is not just, I mean, I'm from Canada and we have the both the same system. We have free healthcare, our healthcare is not even free. Like we have to wait maybe six months to get an MRI. I would almost like rather have private healthcare in that sense because American hospitals, they want to get your money, like they want it. And the thing that we're seeing right now with Maha and the things that we're seeing with RFK Junior coming into play is the fact that it almost seems like a conspiracy, but it's not. Food companies make foods that make you more addicted to the foods that you're eating. Pharma companies come in and they say, oh, cool.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  We have this thing that's gonna help you mask the system, but or mask the symptom. But what's gonna happen is is that you're gonna have to take this for the rest of your life. So you don't have to feel it. And the unfortunate thing is is that everyone wants that. Most people want that. I remember I was talking to one of my my sister in law. She has her parents. Her parents are frail as you know what. And I was just like, hey, if we could, I could give her like a workout program. I can I can help them go on their way. And she told me is like, no, she she doesn't wanna do that. She give her the pill. Just give me the pill. Make it go away. And then that's the mentality that a lot of people have.

• 9:14Speaker 00

  And unfortunately, what's gonna happen is is that there's gonna come this precipice where you're gonna have to take a medication if you've not taken care of your body. And then that's gonna be a decision. Am I going to change my lifestyle? Or am I willing to take medications for the rest of my life? And unfortunately, for the vast majority of people, they're like, all right, give me the medication. Give me the pill.

• 9:35Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, what's fascinating is all the stuff going on with my high. I know you and I are both friends with a bunch of the same people. I think like they really took some bullets for us out there like Cali means some of the stuff that he's had to deal with is wild. But what I like about the stuff that you talk about is that you make it sound so simple. So like you have lots of things that you talk about from your, I don't know. How long have you been in fitness now? Eighteen, twenty years?

• 10:00Speaker 00

  Twenty years.

• 10:01Codie Sanchez?

  Twenty years. So you've basically said, in my twenty years of fitness, I can distill health down to these few things. What are they?

• 10:10Speaker 00

  This is one is gonna be one that not a lot of people will actually see as the most important thing, which is getting your data, tracking your data. I was having this conversation with one of my clients and I was like, he's an entrepreneur like yourself. I was like, how often do you check your revenue? How often do you check your sales? Every day, bro, every day. Okay, cool. When's the last time that you stepped on the scale? And then like complete silence. And I'm just like, dude, how are you tracking the metrics that matter to you? And you're not even stepping on the scale and you're saying health is a priority. These two things don't make sense. So for me, you cannot improve what cannot be measured. So the first thing for me is going to be setting up some sort of dashboard.

• 10:55Speaker 00

  You have your surface level numbers, which are going to be your weight, your inches, your pictures. Then you have your deeper numbers, which are going to be your blood work. It's going to be your DEXA scans, it's going to be for a guy, it's going to be your testosterone levels. And what we want to do is we want to get this dashboard to inform us whether or not we're on the right track or whether or not we're off track, just like a business. I actually say there's so much correlation between a business and a body. So another thing is just, and this is not with the data thing, but I always ask entrepreneurs, okay, when a problem happens in your business, fire happens, what is your first thing that you're going to do? All right, we're going to find what the cause is, we're going to figure out who's in charge of this and we're going to fix the cause right at the root. Okay, cool.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Okay, so if you step on the scale and you're five pounds over and you did everything that you thought you were supposed to do, what is your reaction to that? And they're like, I panic. They're like, I get emotional. I'm like, this is not working. I can't do this anymore. And it's just that they're so objective for their businesses, which is this external thing. But when it comes to the internal, they're so, they are not objective at all. They're quite emotional. So I like to get data because that makes me objective about what's happening with my business or what's happening with my body, so to speak.

• 12:11Codie Sanchez?

  Where do you put all this data? Like, are there like, is there an app that can aggregate everything for you?

• 12:16Speaker 00

  Right now, we're working on it at this very moment. Yeah, so it's like, what we're looking for is like weight trends. We're looking for inches. We're looking for a place to put your blood work. We're looking for a place to put your DEXA scans. Right now, there's not anything that aggregates everything all at once, but we can have things that file things away. So even in my software, we can file away the DEXA, we can file away the blood work, we can file away the recommendations, we can have the actual dashboard in front of us, but we don't have anything right now that can give us this health dashboard. And that's one of the things that we're working on at this.

• 12:47Codie Sanchez?

  Because it's annoying. I mean, I have the Oura ring, right? So I'm now tracking like movement and steps and sleep, et cetera. But then I gotta go to my fitness pal or something to plug it all in. And then I gotta go to like ladder to do my workouts that I'm gonna do. But I can't actually very easily input my numbers for how much weights I'm lifting every single. So at some point, I'm pretty high functioning. You're like, Jesus fucking Christ. Like, I have to have thirty seven apps. And I already run a business, you know? How come I gotta do this other one? So it is, does feel overwhelming.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, that is unfortunate. How's the Oura ring going for you right now?

• 13:20Codie Sanchez?

  Actually, I'm loving it. Which is like, yeah, just like you said, what gets measured gets managed. And then also, I think where your attention flows, that's where your energy goes. Like Tony Robbins says, and so the fact that I just know every single day. We also have the eight sleep bed. So it pings me like, how'd you sleep last night? Which it makes me wanna look at the Oura ring. And then I sort of gamify, okay, did I do the steps? Did I do the workout today? And it becomes a habit, you know?

• 13:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. How long have you had it for?

• 13:47Codie Sanchez?

  I've had it for like, not long, maybe four months, something like that.

• 13:52Speaker 00

  I've got some strong opinions about that.

• 13:53Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, no, you don't like them? What's wrong with the Oura ring?

• 13:56Speaker 00

  There's nothing wrong with the Oura ring. Let's, let's just put that out there. But there is something wrong with, with using data to kind of like track and make yourself emotional about this stuff. Okay, so my whole thing about these trackers is the fact that we should use them to get the data. Once we get the data, once we make improvements, we should actually stop using them. And I say for every single one of the people, should I get an Oura ring? Should I get a whoop or whatever it is? I'm actually saying like, you should get it for probably like six months to a year.

• 14:26Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 14:27Speaker 00

  Uh, you should make the improvements that you should make. And everyone's different, so you can test out magnesium glycinate. You can test out mouth taping, all this kind of stuff for your sleep and recovery and whatnot. Once you get that data and once you make the improvements, once you know your average score is at like eighty five, ninety for like sleep or whatever, get rid of it.

• 14:45Speaker 00

  And the reason I say that is because when you actually get a bad score, and these sleep trackers are not necessarily most accurate. So let's just say you get a bad score. How do you think that's going to make you feel for the rest of the day? Yeah. You get a 60 on your sleep score. And you're like, oh, I'm so tired. I don't think I can like, you know, I don't, I'm not going to be operating at my best. Or let's just say you get a low recovery score, which is like what they give you, even though you're feeling fucking amazing. How do you think you're going to feel? It's going to give you this cognitive dissonance. So for me, it's like, yes, use it to get the data. But eventually, over time, you're going to have to take away the safety blanket and trust like the behaviors that you're doing and not have something to actually tell you, okay, you're doing, you have, you're doing great.

• 15:28Speaker 00

  You have high energy. You can go get after it. For me, like, one of the best things I ever did was actually, for my health, was actually get rid of the Oura ring.

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• 16:37Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting, because you were obsessing on it.

• 16:38Speaker 00

  I was obsessing on it.

• 16:39Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  And it was dictating the way I felt.

• 16:41Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, and I think that can happen. It's a really good point, actually, because some of my girlfriends don't sleep well. Happens to a lot of women right after they have a kid.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 16:49Codie Sanchez?

  Like, they, really, a lot of them struggle with sleep, it seems. And so, and they'd be like, I would just be so stressed when I looked at my sleep score every day. And I sleep like a baby, so I'm always like, I'm fucking Brian Johnson Jr. over here, so it doesn't bother me. But, but if I stopped being able to sleep well, it probably would. So I like, you almost, it's like anything else. You're not gonna get your blood tested every single day unless you're sick.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 17:10Codie Sanchez?

  You're gonna do it for a period, then you're gonna put it away. Then if you're not feeling good again, you might take it back out again, reengage.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 17:16Codie Sanchez?

  Or a ring is not going to like this podcast.

• 17:19Speaker 00

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• 17:21Codie Sanchez?

  Cut your subscription revenue in half. No, they're not sponsoring it, but I like that. It's good to know.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:26Codie Sanchez?

  Wait, I want to talk about one other thing that you talked about that I thought was so true, which is, you said, you're never gonna be as young as you are right now. Being in good shape in your twenties is not impressive. Being forty years old and being fit is a massive status symbol.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. There is this law of diminishing health as we get older. You're probably noticing it right now. If you don't mind me asking, like, how, how old are you?

• 17:53Codie Sanchez?

  Thirty-eight.

• 17:53Speaker 00

  Okay, so thirty-eight. You probably know some of your college girlfriends, seeing them grow over the years. There's only a very small percentage of them who are keeping themselves in tip-top shape.

• 18:06Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 00

  Who look like they looked like when they were in college. And the reason is, is because you have responsibilities. In college, there, there was one guy on my Twitter who's just like, yeah, man, I used to like drink, and I was like in the best shape of my life in college. And I was like, yeah, because when you drink, you're dancing. You're moving all over the place. You're going from like campus to campus, and you're like going out with your friends, and you're just moving all the time. And obviously, you had good hormone health at that point, too. But as we get older, number one is we slow down. Number two is that we have more responsibilities. Let's just say we have like two kids. That's a lot to handle and you're not getting as many steps as you would like handling a toddler, no matter what anyone says.

• 18:51Speaker 00

  And it's also stress. You feel more stress as you get older. Maybe because it's perception or maybe it's because of the overall weight of everything that you have to handle, all the stuff that's on your shoulders. So what I say is like, when you are in your forties and if you're able to keep yourself in shape in your forties, way more impressive than your twenties, because not only you're dealing with responsibilities, you're dealing with hormone changes as well. And you're also dealing with the modern life that is just like slowing us down.

• 19:20Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 00

  And, and just in general, it's like, hey, like, you're supposed to be in your shape in your twenties, okay? Like, come on.

• 19:26Codie Sanchez?

  I know, that's what I always tell them too. I'm like, yeah, yeah, just wait until you're my age. Like, I looked like that too, okay?

• 19:33Speaker 00

  Like chill, chill bro, you're twenty, okay? Relax.

• 19:37Codie Sanchez?

  I know, I do miss those days, actually. You know, you told a story that were like, was so beautiful, but also daunting to me about, you were in your early twenties and you walked into your dad's house at six AM.

• 19:52Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 19:53Codie Sanchez?

  And you were super drunk and then something happened that kind of changed your whole perspective on health.

• 19:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay, so I was a degenerate, pretty much like my entire life up until my twenties. Always a D student in school. When I got to high school, high school dropout. My grade nine or freshman year, I was in typewriting class or, you know, keyboarding class.

• 20:19Codie Sanchez?

  I remember that, I'm that old too.

• 20:20Speaker 00

  Oh my gosh, the teacher had to talk to my mom and say, yo, your kid sucks. People don't know this, I failed kindergarten. I didn't even know that was possible. I failed kindergarten, like, what did I, like, they failed people in kindergarten. You're like, it's supposed to do your ABCs, like, I don't know. So I was always like a shit kid, always. And there was one point in the time where I got really into raving. I got really into doing ecstasy, MDMA, all of the drugs, except for the ones that you put up your nose, because that was like the most dangerous one. I was like, I ain't gonna touch that stuff, right? And there was one time I came home at six AM and I just walked in and then you walk in and you see your parent and you're just like.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  And then like automatically in your brain, you're like, okay, I gotta play this off. I gotta, I gotta act like I'm normal. I'm just coming home from like Bible study or something like that. And, and I just looked in his face. I was like, hey, like, how's it going? And he went to me, he was just like, he, he looked at me with the most disappointed Asian father face that you can ever think of. And he's just like, I'm going to the gym. And he just walked past me, walked straight out, didn't say anything.

• 21:36Speaker 00

  And then that left an impression on me that I will never forget to this day. I actually still remember it vividly. And the reason why I remember that is because at that time, my dad was probably around like thirty pounds overweight at that point. And he was waking up at six AM, hitting the gym. And guess what happened? One month later, my dad comes out, he's like, the member of the, the member of the month. He went to the gym like thirty days a week or whatever, thirty days, like thirty days straight. They gave him like a free month pass. He actually gave it to my brother. He was like, my brother's like, no, I'm good. You're, give it to, give it to little Dan. Gave it to me and I was just like, because of that impression I had of my dad, I was like, hey, maybe this gym thing can be a little bit cool.

• 22:21Speaker 00

  At worst, I will see hot women. At best, I will get myself in shape. So I ended up taking the gym pass, walking to the gym every single day. I was doing nothing at that time, like absolutely nothing, just playing video games, partying. But in the afternoons, I had a lot of time, so I went to the gym. And then lo and behold, maybe like two or three weeks into it. I end up putting on my pant, putting on my belt. And then I'm, I, I, I just like cinch it in like one more notch. And I'm just like, yo, this is nuts. If this happens with me not even like caring about my nutrition, like what happens if I go longer?

• 23:03Speaker 00

  And then that was like, when you get results, that's when you become like just obsessed with the gym. And at that point in time, I didn't realize it, but I was changing my brain. So. I wasn't even exercising. And then the time that I brought like exercise into my life, it was starting to just like change my thoughts. I was starting to go from being this negative dude. Oh yeah, woe is me to being like, hey, like I can, I can pretty much like do things, you know? I can, I can take action and it was the, it was almost like the, what do they call it? The entry level drug for self-improvement for me. And then from there, I never looked back. Pretty much like I ended up quitting a corporate job that I hated, started becoming a personal trainer because I was so into fitness. Started to be obsessed about fat loss.

• 23:49Speaker 00

  And then all of this, like I got myself fifteen thousand dollars out of debt, getting out of credit card debt, all the like, it, it just was the lead domino to so many amazing things in my life. And I will never forget it. And I just blame my dad for it. He's the, he's the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing right now.

• 24:05Codie Sanchez?

  It is weird to think about you as a non-positive guy. Like I almost do not have, I can't imagine that frame for you just as long as I've been following you on the internet. We've been chatting back and forth. So that's pretty wild. So, so when you were talking to, you know, some of your clients and you've helped thousands of people lose more than a hundred thousand pounds of fat, right? Over the last however many years.

• 24:30Codie Sanchez?

  Is that the first, like, what's the first thing you tell somebody who was like, I am fat and I'm miserable? And I don't know if I'm going to be able to do this.

• 24:39Speaker 00

  I will, I will not even tell them anything. I will ask them, why? That's the biggest question. Why is this happening? So I'll, I'll, I'll track back. So one of the things that we do inside of our practice, inside of our coaching practice is uh, we do this thing called the theory of constraints. This is something that we all know in business. And we want to find out, what is the reason why you're doing this? What is the root cause? And I remember talking to one of my clients and he was just like, he had a problem with binge eating. Binge eating at night specifically. And I was like, okay, cool. Like, why do you do that? I, I don't know. I just have cravings. I don't, I don't know why I do that.

• 25:23Speaker 00

  And, and to me, I'm just like, you have to like peel the onion a lot, right? And there's always like a physiological reason and there's a psychological reason. So his physiological reason was he wasn't getting enough nutrients, wasn't eating breakfast, all this kind of stuff. But the psychological reason is the one that makes the actual constraint fixed. So we kept on asking, why? Why, why, why, why, why? Kept on asking him. He's like, Dan, shut the fuck up. Like, I don't know. And I was just like, just, just dig. Just stay with me here for a second. What happened was he realized that when he was a kid, he had, he actually had two sisters. When he was a kid, his mom put so much attention on his two sisters, neglected the fuck out of him.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  So for him, what he did was he went into the kitchen every single night. He had to cope with these feelings that he was, that he was going through. The only way he could cope was opening up the fridge and eating whatever was in the freezer, whatever was inside of the fridge and making that actually numb the thing that he was feeling. So I never tell people, this is what you do, oh, you should do that. I actually say, I want to get down to the root of why you behave the way that you behave. If we can actually just bring awareness around why you are the way that you are, awareness to me is a precursor of change. If you, if you shine a light, then that's going to be the best disinfectant. So the next time he goes and binge eats at night and whatever it is,

• 26:50Speaker 00

  at least he knows why he's doing it. As opposed to most people who are just subconsciously just doing it because they're trying to numb something, right? So, so I'm always asking why. I'm never telling people what to do.

• 27:02Codie Sanchez?

  That's wild. I've never thought about that. So we almost start with the psychological. And then you can say, okay, it actually makes sense, though, because it's not like this stuff is that complex.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:12Codie Sanchez?

  Like, you have a, you have another one that I love, that I remind myself of. It's like, all right, all of the information that I've learned about fitness can be distilled into this formula. Walk daily, drink water, be in nature, eat nutrient-dense foods, follow circadian rhythms, strength train three to four X a week, get seven, eight hours of good sleep, your brain and body will change for the better when you do this consistently. Not rocket science, really.

• 27:37Speaker 00

  No. It's not rocket science, but why are we not doing it? We know what to do, but why are we not doing it? And that, to me, is the psychological side. So we'll bring it back to, say, someone who's building a business, and I'm pretty sure you've talked to clients about this. You've also dealt with people who have, let's just call it like mental blocks. Oh, yeah, like Cody, uh, we're not getting enough leads in our business, like, what's going on? And you're like, you should do this, this, and that, and this, and that. And then next, next week, they're like, okay, did you do those things? No, like, I didn't, like, all these things, like, came up and whatever it is. And then at that point, you gotta be like, okay, well, this is not a tactical issue. This is a psychological issue. And for most people, that is the issue for them.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  It is a psychological issue that is wrapped up in a tactical issue. They're like, oh, like, I don't know how to count my calories, oh, like, I'm eating the wrong foods, oh, seed oils and like all this kind of stuff. No, no, no, no, no. There is a emotion that you're numbing as a result of the food that you're eating or the alcohol that you're drinking. And unless you can actually find out what it is that you're numbing and do the work to actually heal that stuff, you are gonna run up against the same psychological roadblock every damn time. And let me tell you this right now, that shit is hard. It's the hardest thing to do. Because guess what? It's gonna actually show you, oh, maybe I'm, like, not in the right relationship right now. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm chasing the wrong ladder, but I don't wanna think about it, so I'm

• 29:07Speaker 00

  just gonna have another old-fashioned. It's going to bring up so many of these decisions and these conversations that you should be having with yourself that you are avoiding. And most times, people don't want to go through that work. They just want to go through the numbing agents that allow them to not have to feel that.

• 29:23Codie Sanchez?

  What percentage of people who are not fit and not healthy realize that it's psychological?

• 29:32Speaker 00

  I think there, I think for the vast majority, they realize it's psychological. Now, the question is, is that whether or not they want to do the work to find out why. And then that's probably, I would say, I don't know if I can put a percentage on that, but let's just say like, not a lot of people. Because behavior change is hard. You have to, changing your personality in general and the way in which you react to things is hard. And then that also means that you're gonna have to look at the world in a different way. And we also have to look at these excuses, these rationalizations that we have and the ways in which we look at this world, the ways in which we behave in this world. As ways in which that give us comfort. If we don't have the security blanket of comfort anymore, what happens? Oh shit, we have to take responsibility for our lives.

• 30:18Speaker 00

  How many, I'll ask you, like, how many people are willing to take responsibility for their lives?

• 30:23Codie Sanchez?

  Not enough.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  Not enough. And maybe they can do it with their business sometimes. You're dealing with entrepreneurs, I could do this with something external. But when it comes to the thing that's internal, ooh, like, I gotta change, like, something inside of me? Hmm, I don't know about that.

• 30:37Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. It also seems to me that a lot of this is, that society makes it more comfortable to be unhealthy and unfit. Like, for instance, you know, there was something else that I was reading from you that I really liked, which was, oh yeah. It was basically this, that society eats so much junk food that real food is considered dieting. And then also, when you tell people, hey, I'm gonna eat only protein this month, I'm not drinking, I'm, I'm not doing any of that. They're like, come on, bro. Why aren't you joining me? And so it's almost, it's lonely trying to be healthy for some reason. What happened there?

• 31:14Speaker 00

  Isn't, isn't it lonely, like, when you started first becoming an entrepreneur, wasn't that lonely at first, too?

• 31:20Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  Because you had to kind of separate from all the finance people. And then you had to go your own way. And not a lot of people are willing to go through that process of being lonely. When I started to get in shape, I, like, I- I realized like, oh crap, I really don't like drinking alcohol that much. But here I am binge drinking every single weekend, like, wha- what's going on here? It's because I want to do things that make me feel part of a tribe. I want to be part of the tribe. I don't want to be ostracized. And inherently, we're all in it for survival. That's what we're all in it for. If we lose the tribe, then we lose our survival. But we're not living in tribes anymore, but technically we are. We maybe are, we maybe not.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  But inherently, that's what's happening. They don't want to be ostracized. They don't want to be away from the tribe. When I started to get my body in shape, I actually had to get rid of a lot of friends. Because when you start to get in shape, you realize that water attracts its own level. You want to hang around people who have the value of health. And not people who are being like, alright, let's have Big Macs. Let's have, you know, burgers and fries and like all the time. Like, that stuff's cool once in a while, but not like all the time.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  And, and the other thing that we have to realize when it comes to this stuff is that we're changing identity. That's what we're doing. And to me, changing of identity, changing your self-image, changing the way in which you look at yourself and how you perceive yourself, that's probably one of the most important things that we have to do in this journey. Even going from, let's just say, like, we're using a business perspective, it's like going from like being someone that earns six figures, to being someone that earns seven figures, to being someone that earns eight figures, to nine figures, whatever. Those jumps require a change of identity. The same thing goes with our bodies that people don't realize. Making these jumps, going from, let's just say, being metabolically unhealthy, to being metabolically healthy, to

• 33:14Speaker 00

  being metabolically healthy, to getting a six-pack, to doing all this kind of stuff. That requires change of identity, change of behavior. Are you willing to do the work to get there? That is the question.

• 33:24Codie Sanchez?

  How does one change their identity to get health?

• 33:27Speaker 00

  I think like the most important thing is to get someone to help you, to be honest. Like you have to all, you have to invest in yourself, whether it be in education, whether it be in the coach, or whether that, I mean, to me, it's like the fastest path between point A, point B, the place where you want to be, is actually finding a coach that tells you what to do and what not to do. That's like the most important thing. And I look at kind of like education in three steps, which is like you have your free education, which is like the stuff that we do on social media. We give away our best stuff, like to be honest. We tell you like what the, what the sauce is already. Then you have your courses, which is do it yourself. This is the system, you do it yourself. Then you have the most important one, which is the coach. I think that's the most important one, because the coach is going to call you on your bullshit, they're going to keep you accountable, they're going to say, don't do this, avoid this mistake, uh, watch out for

• 34:11Speaker 00

  that. Okay, cool, we're good. And for me, it's like, that's probably the most important thing, but if you can't actually do that, then we have to do it by ourselves. If we have to do it by ourselves, what can we do? Well, number one is, is what we just talked about, theory of constraints. Okay, so I know I have to eat healthy, I know I have to work out, I know I have to sleep well, whatever. Okay, what is like the number one thing that I can work on right now? That I will subordinate everything to just work on this thing? And the thing about theory of constraints is you subordinate everything, you work on that one thing, that one little habit that's just holding you back, whether it's binge eating at night, whether it's snacking, whether it's not working out, like whatever it is, you just focus on that one thing.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  And then what you have to do is you have to get support on it. You have to find, actually, you have to find out awareness around it. Why am I not doing this? What is the reason? Then you have to get support. Then you have to make sure that you just track that habit over and over and over, until it becomes a part of your life. And then after you're done that, you go on to the next thing. The thing that people want is like this whole body transformation, you know, get abs in six weeks, or whatever it is. But the reality of the matter is, is that getting into the best health of your life is about incremental changes that you're making over the course of a year, two years, even sometimes like three years. And one thing I always ask my clients, because a lot of clients just come to me, they want to lose weight. Cool, alright. And I'm just like, okay, cool. Like, hey, John,

• 35:39Speaker 00

  how long did it take you to to gain this weight? And they're like, yeah, ever since I started my business, five years, I just like, started gaining weight and I just haven't like, everything else in my life is great, but this this part I just can't get a handle on. Cool. How long are you giving yourself to lose this weight? He's like, six weeks. I'm like, what? Like, dude. And so I have this mantra that I try to impart to my clients, so she's like, as long as it takes. If it takes a year, cool. If it takes even like a year and a half, cool. But what you're doing is, when you give yourself an elongated time horizon to do this, you're giving yourself the chance to make mistakes. You're giving yourself the chance to find out things that work for you.

• 36:21Speaker 00

  You're giving yourself the chance to fall on your face and to to know what that looks like, to step on a scale and to see that, hey, I'm doing everything I can, but the weight's still going up, like, what's happening? It gives yourself the ability to actually create that objectiveness around your body as opposed to the emotionality that a lot of people, like, a lot of people bring to it.

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• 37:40Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, what are?

• 37:43Codie Sanchez?

  What do you think are some, I hate to use the word hacks here. What's a better way to ask this question? Sometimes I think when you understand a framework, a framework can accelerate your path to success. Because you're like, alright, I see a highway that I can drive down. There's like this framework we've already existed on. If I drive on a highway, I go faster than if I drive on a backstreet. We just know that this one moves faster than the other. You have one framework, which I really liked, to determine if you're actually hungry or if you're eating for some other reason, which was called the apple test.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  Yes, and hunger is like a huge thing, especially if people are trying to get lean. It's like hunger's gonna pop up, right? Like, you can't do anything about it, especially if you're in a caloric deficit. So, but a lot of times, like, we have to understand, there's like three levels of hunger. There's like hormonal hunger, which is like leptin growing. They're popping up and saying, hey, what's up? Like, I'm kinda like, we're kinda fucked up right here, but we wanna eat a little bit. And there is also the actual physiological hunger, which is like, hey, what's up, Dan? You haven't had a meal for like 12 hours. Like, you gotta eat. And then you have what is called hedonic hunger, which is like, am I hungry because I'm bored? Or am I hungry because I'm actually hungry? And then this is where the apple test comes in.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  So, the thing about apples is that they're 68% water, they are nutrient dense, and not a lot, I'm gonna say like the vast majority of people do not crave apples or eating apples whatsoever. So, I say, eat that apple. See what happens. Wait 20 minutes, keep yourself busy. Are you gonna be hungry afterwards? If you're still hungry, then maybe you actually are hungry, right? If you're not hungry, then you just saved yourself maybe 500 to 1,000 calories of like eating whatever junk food that's around you. So, I like to have protocols. For me, systems is everything. Like, if I'm running a successful business, I need to have systems. If I'm running a successful body, I need to have systems. And I think that the main thing that people are missing are these protocols and systems

• 39:43Speaker 00

  in their lives, when these things pop up.

• 39:46Codie Sanchez?

  How much of your clientele is starting to use things like Ozempic now? And do you like, and I use Ozempic because it's the easier word for everybody to know, but what do you think about Ozempic? Should we be using it?

• 39:59Speaker 00

  I think for people who are morbidly obese, absolutely. Just being morbidly obese and having way too much weight on your body, then you are gonna benefit from not having that much weight on your body. For someone who has like twenty or thirty pounds to lose, who's kind of like looking at it as like this, hey, hack that I can use just to like help myself lose the twenty to thirty pounds, I'm gonna say you should probably chill out a little bit and kind of give yourself a little bit more discernment because the thing that we're realizing about these drugs is the fact that, hey, when you get off of it, guess what's gonna happen to the hunger? It's gonna come back. These are almost like forever drugs, so to speak. You're gonna have to take them for pretty much, I would say, like, the rest of your life.

• 40:44Speaker 00

  Also, the thing that we're realizing is that people are using this as like a hack to lose weight. They're actually burning off the thing that is the longevity organ of your body, which is muscle. Like, I've seen people go on Ozempic and not eat high protein, not do resistance training, and then we're starting to see that people are coming up with osteoporosis. Starting to see people lose a shit ton of lean mass. Do you know what happens to your metabolism when you lose a lot of lean mass? And yes, like, yes, you wanna eat high protein, yes, you wanna do resistance training, but a lot of people are using this as like this quick fix just to lose a lot of weight. The percentage of people who are inside of our program who want to use these drugs or are on these drugs is zero. Absolute zero.

• 41:28Speaker 00

  But I'll tell you this, we're working with entrepreneurs, executives, professionals, high fucking achievers. So when it comes to the high achiever, it doesn't mean that they're not going to use Ozempic, especially if they're morbidly obese. That's not, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that most of the times, these guys are willing to do the hard work. And they're willing to do the work it takes to discipline themselves, to actually follow a program. And Ozempic is like the last resort for them. For them, the first resort is like, hey, let's get our behaviors fixed. So I actually did have one client who was on Ozempic, did great, but we had an escape plan. We created an escape. Plan for Ozempic because we knew that the hunger was gonna come back.

• 42:12Speaker 00

  We knew that he was gonna start to feel uncontrollable cravings.

• 42:16Codie Sanchez?

  What was the escape plan?

• 42:17Speaker 00

  Oh, the escape plan was, hey, like you and I are gonna talk on the phone every single day. We're gonna track like exactly what's going into your body. We're gonna make sure that you're eating enough fiber. We're gonna make sure you're still eating enough protein. We're gonna make sure that you're not going to stress yourself out with like long endurance cardio or anything like that. We're just gonna walk. And then what we're gonna do is we're gonna have to go through what I call the struggle bust period. The struggle bust period is like the three to even six months. Where your hunger is going to be elevated as a result of getting off of Ozempic. So we just wanna make sure there's an escape plan. Uh, just like anything else with any medication, there has to be an escape plan for it. And then we have to keep, we have to actually keep him highly accountable to abiding by the escape plan.

• 43:00Codie Sanchez?

  It's fascinating, actually, because no doctors give you an escape plan for medicine. I mean, for, for cholesterol levels. You're just on cholesterol medicine for the rest of your life.

• 43:11Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:12Codie Sanchez?

  Then you add whatever blood thinner you need on top of it. Then you add something else and no part of that is a mandate for you to walk more and eat less.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  I, I feel like the health system is a system of learned helplessness. Where they will, eh, they will give you the medication. They'll be like, hey, you gotta walk, you gotta do those kinda stuff, but, but really it's just like, they will also. I would say recommend you being on this medication. And I don't wanna go through the whole like, oh, they're making money off it, they're not making money, whatever, you know? The thing is, is that unfortunately, people want this too. That's what people want. They actually want the magic pill. And they're willing to deal with the side effects as a result of taking this pill. To me, there's no free lunch out there. There's absolutely zero free lunch when it comes to any kind of medication.

• 44:07Speaker 00

  Any kind of thing that you're putting into your body. Uh, for eating nutrient dense foods, high protein, whatever. The fruit, it's not a free lunch either. There's effort, like that's, that's the actual cost. For all this stuff, the free lunch is side effects. The free lunch is having to be on this stuff for the rest of your life. Whatever this stuff is going to cost you for the rest of your life. And when I go back and I'm just like, hey, you really should like, you know, hit the gym like three times a week and you know, work out with weights. Like, do I really have to? Like, I just want to take this pill. And I feel like it's a, you know, a lot of doctors catch a lot of flak for recommending these drugs. But the unfortunate thing is, is that it is the consumer that actually is asking for this stuff. Notwithstanding,

• 44:50Speaker 00

  the shitty things that are happening with like pharma advertising, the, you know, the, all the advertising that's happening with pharma that actually pushes this stuff and psyops people into wanting to take this stuff. That shit is fucking. I will say that's like evil.

• 45:04Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  So, so it's, it's a confluence of a lot of things. And I try not to blame doctors for this kind of stuff. But, but again, everyone is complicit.

• 45:13Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, we're all a product of our environment too. You know, one of the things that I think is really interesting about you is all these high performers that you work with. And you talk a lot about the connection between the body and increased cognition and your brain. What have you found with high performers? And if they get their body more healthy, what happens to their brain?

• 45:34Speaker 00

  They make more money, that's number one. Uh, we hit record breaking revenue months. Almost with, I would say like 75% of our clients. So like, some of them are just like, just masters at making money. But at the same time, uh, for, for a lot of people, because it, it's, it's not really, it is about the cognition. But to me, it's more about the emotional control. It's more about the decision making. So when, what we know about, especially when we get rid of visceral fat, when we get rid of belly fat, when we get rid of that stuff, what happens as a result is the brain start to work better. Uh, you start to amplify and start to grow areas in your brain uh, that are responsible for decision making and emotional control. I actually sent out this, uh, this tweet before people got pissed at me, but fuck it, whatever.

• 46:18Speaker 00

  It's just like, if you have a, if you have a big belly, it's gonna fuck up your brain. Bar none, okay, like it is. And then people are like, no, it's not true and whatever. I was like, just Google this, bro. Just Google this. Like, I don't have to tell you what the evidence is. Like, we all know this stuff. This is all just basic.

• 46:35Codie Sanchez?

  And but why is that? And visceral fat is, is, explain visceral fat quickly.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  Visceral fat is the most dangerous fat that's on the body. We should not be aiming to have like absolute zero visceral fat on our bodies. But we should be aiming to have at least healthy amounts of visceral fat. When we have too much visceral fat on our bodies, it sets us up for a lifetime of preventable disease. Things like type 2 diabetes, things like certain cancers, Alzheimer's. And this is very much a lifestyle thing. It's about the foods that you put into your body. It's about the exercise that you do. And for me, it's like my, my full thing, and this is actually more prevalent for guys than it is for girls. For guys, because they have like the beer belly, that is a sign of having visceral fat. And if you want to check like how much visceral fat or whether or not I have too much, we go through the waist to height ratio, right?

• 47:24Speaker 00

  So it's like, okay, what is your height in inches? And what is your waist in inches? If it's above 50%, you probably have way too much visceral fat. You're probably at a dangerous level right now. And you know what? A lot of people are at that level. This is an aside, but I posted this like before picture of myself. Like when I was actually before picture when I was like in my twenties, before I changed my body and a before picture. Because when I, when my second daughter came about, I, you know, got myself out of shape. And then when I posted that, a lot of guys were saying about the before pictures like, hey, like I, I'd like to look at like that. I'd actually like to look like that body right there. The before picture, like the fat one. And then for me, I'm 45 years old. I remember 20 years ago, I was like,

• 48:08Speaker 00

  that was actually considered fat, fat man.

• 48:12Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 48:12Speaker 00

  Standards have inflated. Large, large, large amounts. Now that's not, now that's actually considered to be healthy. But when we know about metabolic health, like anything above like, say for a guy, like 20% body fat is going to be metabolically unhealthy. But standards change. Even right now, they're like. Lowering the standard for like testosterone, saying like, okay, you shouldn't have this much. You should actually have like around like 500 or whatever, but I digress.

• 48:38Codie Sanchez?

  And you think that that is wrong. They're just averaging out to what society is today.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:43Codie Sanchez?

  And because most people have lower testosterone, they're saying this is average. You're like, yeah, but it's not good.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:48Codie Sanchez?

  For anybody.

• 48:49Speaker 00

  They're moving the goalposts.

• 48:50Codie Sanchez?

  Wow.

• 48:51Speaker 00

  That's what they're doing. Like, they're just moving the goalposts. And there is something to be said. I don't want to get into kind of like the overarching kind of like idea of what testosterone is, but they've done studies where it's like, when you have more testosterone in your body, when you're, when a guy has more testosterone in his body, he becomes more of an independent thinker. Also, like, if you have your body in shape, if you are metabolically healthy, I label it as like, you are less likely to be controlled.

• 49:17Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 49:18Speaker 00

  Because you have agency. You are, you have actually high agency. Any person who's in shape, you can actually say, hey, this guy has high agency, at least when it comes to his health. Because you're willing to do what it takes to keep yourself.

• 49:30Codie Sanchez?

  Discipline.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  It's discipline.

• 49:32Codie Sanchez?

  How do they show increased independent thinking with decreased, let's say visceral fat or increased muscle? How would they?

• 49:42Speaker 00

  It's more correlation with the testosterone thing than it is with the visceral fat.

• 49:45Codie Sanchez?

  So how do they measure that?

• 49:48Speaker 00

  I believe they have done correlation studies between the amount of times like, or the amount of testosterone people have on their bodies. And the actual like studies are actually like stats that they would pull from like surveys.

• 50:01Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  Uh, but yeah, I will say that.

• 50:03Codie Sanchez?

  We'll find it. Yeah, we'll link some in the studies and see what we find.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:08Codie Sanchez?

  I mean, it's interesting to think that, now, it makes sense to me that when you have less visceral fat, your body can just be more highly functioning.

• 50:18Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 50:19Codie Sanchez?

  Is that why? So why would your brain? Grow new neural pathways and actually be more efficient just because you have less fat. What's the ideology there?

• 50:30Speaker 00

  It's about blood flow. So when you have less blood flow going to the brain, what's going to happen is that all of the brain's energy or all of your body's energy is going to be diverted to the place that needs the most attention. And that is protecting your organs. And the thing that we know about visceral fat is the fact that where it's placed in the body is around your most important organs. It's around, it's around your heart, it's around your liver, it's around your pancreas, it's around your kidneys. So what's going to happen is that all the energy that would be diverted to giving yourself blood flow in the brain is going to be diverted into the place to keep you healthy or to keep you alive inside of visceral fat. And what we know is, is that when you have more visceral fat on your body, it actually leads to more shrinkage in the brain for the areas, I think it's the hippocampus, that

• 51:14Speaker 00

  has the responsibility of emotional control.

• 51:17Codie Sanchez?

  Fascinating, I had no idea.

• 51:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:20Codie Sanchez?

  Well, I think, you know, this is the other stuff that's sort of normal now is to relegate health as something totally self, you know, self-sufficient from wealth. We say, yeah, well, I'm wealthy because I have a lot of money. Are you? If you're also not healthy? I mean, you have a line that is so beautiful that I go back to a lot, which is that you can have a thousand problems in life until you have a health problem. Then you only have one.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:47Codie Sanchez?

  That is so real. And yet, we chase these dollar signs and we go after them because money does equal freedom, but damn, if we, if I got cancer right now, the rest kind of doesn't matter.

• 51:59Speaker 00

  Well, let's hope that doesn't happen, that's for sure. And I liken this to something that's small. So when I played basketball, I remember one time I sprained my ankle. If you ever, have you ever sprained your ankle before?

• 52:15Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  And then, you know that walking on your ankle, the only thing that you want in life is just to walk normally at that point. That's all you want. Because when you're walking with a sprained ankle, you're like, oh, you're hobbling and all this kind of stuff. And that's something small. Let's, let's bring it to something that's a little bit bigger, say something like cancer. That puts things into perspective. I remember we, when I was 24 years old, and being a complete degenerate.

• 52:46Speaker 00

  We got this call from uh my dad. And he was like, we were in Toronto or we were in Ontario. He's like, you gotta come to Niagara. Your mom's in the hospital. You gotta come here quick, because we don't know if she's gonna make it. And we're like, what the, what the fuck? Like, we thought our mom was the healthiest person on the planet. We zip down there. And then we go through this six-month ordeal of just dealing with the hospital, being in ICU, all this kind of stuff, until we ultimately lose our mom. We ultimately lose mom. The most important person in my life. And obviously, when you lose your mom, you're depressed. Uh, you're grieving.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  And I remember at that point in time, nothing else mattered. My friends didn't matter. How much money I would have made, or all these like dreams and like of like whatever. It, it didn't fucking matter. The only thing that mattered was I wanted my mom to be back in my life. And let's like bring it to someone who's maybe a parent. What's gonna happen if you don't take care of yourself? Okay, let's, let's, let's extrapolate this. So, number one, okay, like, God forbid we get a disease. Then you're kind of making your family suffer as a result of the fact that you didn't take care of yourself when you could have. And then now they have to take care of you.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  And now you're being a burden to your family.

• 54:18Speaker 00

  Let's extrapolate this even further. Uh, let's just say that uh you, you can hit the gym three times a week, you're just too lazy to do it. Okay, like, when you're eighty years old, you're gonna have to have your kids look after you. You're not gonna be independent. They're gonna be worrying about you all the freaking time. Unless they're like gonna throw you in the nursing home, which is even worse. So my whole thing is, and I've said this before, where it's like, part of the reason I get in shape is in keeping my body shape is so I don't become a burden to my family.

• 54:54Codie Sanchez?

  Do you think that you can, are there studies and data that says that if you are healthy, you have a decreased chance of having dementia?

• 55:04Speaker 00

  Absolutely. I mean, I can't pull those studies, you know, right off the bat. But to me, there is the genetic component of having dementia or having Alzheimer's. And then there's also the epigenetic component, where you have the ability to transform your genes through your lifestyle, through the foods that you eat, through the exercise that you do. A lot of people are like, oh yeah, like I'm stuck with this gene or I don't have like good genetics or whatever. But the thing is, is that you can actually change your genes through epigenetics, through kind of like your behaviors, through what you do right now. And the really cool thing that we're learning is that this can be generational.

• 55:47Speaker 00

  So let's just say like you're overweight, you get yourself in shape, and then you end up having a kid. And you end up kind of like kicking the can, 90 years old, whatever it is, like you're gone. You don't realize that you just passed down your in shape genes to that kid. You also don't realize that you left an imprint on how you took care of your body on that kid. So for me, it's like, one of the greatest things that you can do for your kids is like lift the generational curse of not being in shape, of not having good, healthy behaviors. And the more that you can do that, the more that you're creating this kind of like family and this behavior of wealth inside of your family,

• 56:32Speaker 00

  you are setting up your generation, you're setting up your family for generations to come.

• 56:38Codie Sanchez?

  Fascinating. My grandparents right now are, two of them have dementia. One is pretty late stage.

• 56:46Speaker 00

  Sorry to hear.

• 56:46Codie Sanchez?

  Thank you. It's really a terrible disease. And so I've been spending more time with my family and them. And the tough part about both of them is, you know, they, they kind of stopped being mobile. And so they stopped being mobile way before they needed to. You know, my grandmother got a knee surgery and really stopped being mobile after the knee surgery. They got kind of shut down during COVID, right? So then they started, stopped having interpersonal interaction. My grandfather got macular degeneration, so he stopped being able to see well, which meant he couldn't walk as much and go in his garden. And I very quickly saw over the course, I mean, it was fascinating how fast it happened.

• 57:28Codie Sanchez?

  Over the course of about a year or two, just their, their health completely collapsed.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:33Codie Sanchez?

  And I think a lot of the impetus of it was this lack of movement. And, and, you know, they hadn't ever been like wildly healthy, but they made a lot of their own food and they were very, very active. And then that stopped. And then I compare that with my grandmother, who is going to be a hundred next month. And she motors. I mean, that woman played golf until she was 93, I think. And walks around, takes care of herself, does physical therapy, and is so sharp cognitively because of it. And it's sort of, it's like the tale of two families. You know, we can go to the left and, or we could go to the right. And I see similar patterns actually in my parents. And so, you know, my mom's super active now.

• 58:17Codie Sanchez?

  She's gotten really into Pilates and working out.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 58:20Codie Sanchez?

  And my dad's side of the family, just not as much. And so watching that transcend to my brother versus how I am is, you're absolutely right. You carry a lineage that you are passing down to your children, that you have the ability to affect the outcome on. And you have to ask yourself, am I not willing to only die for them, but might I live for them?

• 58:41Speaker 00

  A hundred percent. And I don't, I'm sorry to hear about your grandparents.

• 58:46Codie Sanchez?

  Thank you.

• 58:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  The thing that, the thing that kind of strikes out to me a little bit is when you stop moving, that also makes you a little bit more morose.

• 59:01Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  And depressed. You start to have more negative thoughts too, and because you're just not moving your body. And to me, it's like the movement is, it's almost like there's this hamster that's, that's inside of the wheel. And you have to keep the hamster moving. You have to keep the hamster moving all the time. And if you stop it, it is the old, uh, or the old, uh, saying where it's like you, you lose it, or you use it, or you lose it. And for me, one of the things that, uh, I, I constantly remember is like, I have, uh, I have a really close friend. And his grandparents lived until ninety-nine and a hundred. What did they do every day? They walked two to three miles, no matter what the weather was.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  They cooked their own meals. Uh, I met my first sensor, actually I met, uh, probably my second sensorinarian. So she was in, uh, Haleiwa in Hawaii and sharp as a tack. And I asked her, I was like, you're, you're my second sensorinarian that I've ever met.

• 1:00:09Speaker 00

  Why? Like, what happened? And then, uh, she was like, I play tennis. I go out, I still drink margaritas, I still eat tacos, but I stay active, I keep my weight, you know, pretty stable. And I have fun. And then I, she was like the happiest person I've ever met too.

• 1:00:29Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:29Speaker 00

  Big smiles. So, so my whole thing is just like, you have to constantly keep yourself in motion. No matter, because the whole thing about life right now is like, how can we make you as comfortable as humanly possible?

• 1:00:41Codie Sanchez?

  That is true.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  To me, comfort is a drug. That's the, that's the most addictive drug on the planet right now. It's like, how can we stop you from moving? Even this whole thing with like robotics and like all this stuff, like, how can we stop you from cleaning your home? How can we stop you from doing your dishes? How can we stop you from gardening? How can we make life easier for you? And my whole thing is like, you don't want life to be easy. Like, once life is actually easy for you, that's when all the shit hits the fan. That's when you see the slow degradation of the way in which you should have lived. So for me, it's like, keep yourself in motion. Yes, there are ways to do it. You want to be lifting weights, obviously. You want to be eating a nutrient-dense diet. You want to be focusing on your sleep.

• 1:01:27Speaker 00

  But, but give a fuck about your health.

• 1:01:30Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Codie Sanchez?

  Are you still friends, close friends, with people who are really unhealthy?

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  Am I still, am I still close? That's a very good question, actually. Yes, I am. And I have people on my team who are somewhat not as healthy or metabolically unhealthy. And for me, it's, uh, it's about the person. It's not necessarily about their behaviors.

• 1:01:57Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  Uh, but yes.

• 1:01:59Codie Sanchez?

  Do you think that being unhealthy or being fit is contagious?

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• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  To a certain degree, yes. Uh, but will it be contagious for everybody? It depends on how much resistance that they're seeing inside of themselves. Also depends like how sensitive they are as well. I remember, um, I had a conversation with a with a guy who used to be my friend. And and for me, I'm I'm actually of the of the mind of like, hey, if if I'm a friend, I gotta be straight up with you, right? And I hadn't seen this guy for probably like three to five years, or actually probably three years. And he had gained probably, I would say, like forty to fifty pounds on his body. First time seeing him, like, whoa.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  And my wife was just like, whoa, like,

• 1:03:55Speaker 00

  holy crap, what happened? So we're walking down the street one day and I was like, yo,

• 1:04:04Speaker 00

  are we gonna do something about this? Like, I I'm willing to help. What do you need? And then he was just like, and then I I just pretty much ran up against a brick wall. Dan, you know what I'm going through? You know what's happening in my life and you know this and you know that. I'm just like, like, I I never asked that. I just wanna know if you need help. And for a lot of people, they're stuck in this story of why they can't get in shape, of like, why they can't do this stuff, of like, why this is all happening to them. And for me, it's like, me being like the the guy that I am, it's like, I I almost like turned from like a type B to like a type A

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  personality by just getting my body in shape and being like a hard driver, being so motivated. For me, it's almost like, I I don't know why people would not want to do this. Because do you not want to have more energy? Do you not want to make more money? Do you not want to be more confident? And all it is is that people have this story around the reasons why they can't get in shape. And as long as you actually just still be stuck in that reason, then it's just not gonna happen.

• 1:05:16Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, my dad always says you can't teach desire.

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Codie Sanchez?

  And so, uh, but I do think, to your point, you can stimulate somebody else. To desire a thing that they truly want. And it sounds like that's what you do. It's by getting to that root and then saying, hey, are you aware that this idea is what's holding you back? And then they might have the desire to fix that.

• 1:05:37Speaker 00

  I would hope so. It depends on the person.

• 1:05:41Codie Sanchez?

  Can you tell right away if somebody will do the things that they need to do to change their health or not? Do you have like a 60 second gut reaction to it by now after 20 years?

• 1:05:51Speaker 00

  Definitely. Are we talking about someone that's like hiring me? Or are we talking about someone that's like?

• 1:05:56Codie Sanchez?

  Like, do you have questions that you go through that you're like, well, you're not gonna make it, I can already tell.

• 1:06:00Speaker 00

  Okay, there's actually a, there's actually a line that people use where I'm like, you're not gonna make it. And the line that they use when they hire me is like, I'm gonna be your best client ever.

• 1:06:12Codie Sanchez?

  That's a, that's a red flag?

• 1:06:13Speaker 00

  That's the red flag. Because to me, and this, and I'm like, cool, I would love for you to be my best client ever. I would love for you to have like a before and after. But what I, what I've come to realize is that why you're doing it is probably the wrong reason. You're doing it for external validation. You're not doing it for an intrinsic motivation to get yourself healthy, to make yourself feel better, to become a better version of yourself. You're doing it, you're saying, I'm gonna be your best client ever. I'm just like, oh crap, that's like the death knell. I wish you hadn't said that to me. And then for me, I'll automatically be like, no, no, no, no, like, do this for yourself. I don't care. Like, you're hiring me, do this for yourself.

• 1:06:57Speaker 00

  But when people say that, I'm automatically being like, you're, you're probably doing this for the wrong reason at this very moment.

• 1:07:02Codie Sanchez?

  That's so fascinating.

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:04Codie Sanchez?

  All right. We have a little exercise we do at the end of every podcast.

• 1:07:08Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:07:09Codie Sanchez?

  You ready?

• 1:07:10Speaker 00

  I think, I think so.

• 1:07:12Codie Sanchez?

  Okay. We give you this card. And on it, you write a little letter to either young Dan, maybe it's 24 year old Dan, or to the 24 year old Dans listening in the audience. What would you tell them? And then you can choose to read whatever you want from that letter afterwards on the podcast.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 1:07:31Codie Sanchez?

  So we're gonna just give you a few minutes, we'll step out.

• 1:07:32Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:07:33Codie Sanchez?

  And then you think about it, we'll come right back.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  And this is a message to 20, 24 year old Dan.

• 1:07:37Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  Okay. Oh, my gosh.

• 1:07:39Codie Sanchez?

  So what do you want to read to us that you would tell young Dan?

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  Oh, man. All right. Dear Dan, first off, let's get this out of the way. I love you. I love you regardless if you're a degenerate or a multimillionaire. But let's be straight up. Right now, you're not living up to your full potential. There is a world awaiting you, but only if you choose to pick yourself up and take responsibility for your life. You are so much more than you are showing right now. Lean into your resistance and trust that there's a plan for you. And there's actually a line my mom would always tell me. When I would sit across from her desk, she would sit me down at our conference table. She would have this talk with me every single time I was fucking up.

• 1:08:25Speaker 00

  And then the line was, you can do anything, you can do anything you put your mind to. And it's time to show the world what you can do. I love you. Signed, Dango.

• 1:08:37Codie Sanchez?

  So beautiful. Dango.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  Dango. Yeah, I appreciate it.

• 1:08:42Codie Sanchez?

  I love this. We are gonna keep them.

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:08:44Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, and we're gonna put them into a book for everybody.

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 1:08:47Codie Sanchez?

  And it's, it's just like a little lovely, I think sometimes like when we're on stages like this, people think that we're whatever we are. And even if we're giving advice or telling our stories, like, we've been in all the highs and lows between all of us. We're all a mess. So I think it's really a beautiful thing to share.

• 1:09:05Speaker 00

  Thank you. Thank you. And um. It's. It's something to be said about the people that we see on social media where it's like, we have to understand that. We're talking to human beings right here.

• 1:09:19Codie Sanchez?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Codie Sanchez?

  Super flawed.

• 1:09:22Speaker 00

  Extremely flawed.

• 1:09:23Codie Sanchez?

  Super fucked up and just like trying to human as much as we can.

• 1:09:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I think about this often where it's just like. And the scope and the scale, it varies, but it's just like, you're speaking to millions of people.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  And you're also getting the feedback from millions of people.

• 1:09:42Codie Sanchez?

  Yep.

• 1:09:43Speaker 00

  And I don't know what it's like to be a girl. I don't know what it's like to be a woman. But when I look at social media, I'm like, holy shit, women get it way worse than guys do. I'm like, god damn, like, especially from guys, like, what's up with that? Like, anyways, but it's a, it's a weird game that we're in right now. And I think this is like something that no one has ever navigated in our lives. And, uh, and I think both of us are doing a pretty damn good job of it. I think you're doing a great job of it as well.

• 1:10:13Codie Sanchez?

  Right back at you. Thank you. Yeah, well, it's always good, you know, what I really helps me is like meeting other people that are online, not, not for the cloud or for, it's like to text you and Saw Hill and some of my other friends when stuff's going sideways and going, hey, did I do something wrong here?

• 1:10:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Codie Sanchez?

  Or is this like being taken away, you know? Did, should, should I be changing? Am I presenting myself some way? Or do I have to just like ignore the noise? And it's really helpful to have friends that'll tell you straight up.

• 1:10:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:41Codie Sanchez?

  You know, the truth.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's one thing to hear from like your family and be like, hey, don't worry about it, whatever. But it's, I mean, that's why this whole creator space, it's such a very intimate space. And a lot of us know each other, a lot of us actually meet each other in person. And it's so, it's so beneficial to bounce the stuff off of each other.

• 1:11:02Codie Sanchez?

  A thousand percent.

• 1:11:03Speaker 00

  And also with like, we were talking about, um, some of the book stuff and the things I'm going through with that. It's just like, it's just so beneficial to talk to someone that understands where that person is coming from. The things that they are going through, the decisions that they have to make in their lives. And, uh, and yeah, I'm grateful that, uh, I'm friends with a lot of the people that I interact with online.

• 1:11:27Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, same. Yeah, and it does, you really quickly figure out who your real homies with or not too, because that's the other one. I always think that I'm friends with everybody. I'm like a golden retriever.

• 1:11:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Codie Sanchez?

  And I'm like, oh, wait, we're not friends. You're just charismatic.

• 1:11:41Codie Sanchez?

  Whoops.

• 1:11:41Speaker 00

  It's so funny because you probably see this depending on the levels of which you jump across.

• 1:11:50Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  So, you know, you're homies with someone when you're like, had a hundred thousand followers on Instagram. And then you hit a million and then that homie's just like, she got too big for her britches and like all. Yeah, and it's just like, and for me, I'm like, I still look at that person like, you're my boy, you're my homie. But it's so weird because they kind of like see you as like being different in a sense. When you're completely the same person as you were when you were at a hundred thousand. Values, everything like that, so.

• 1:12:21Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's weird to see sometimes.

• 1:12:25Codie Sanchez?

  I know, I totally get it. I remember when I first met Tim Ferriss and like started becoming friendly with him. I didn't understand because I wasn't very big on the internet thing, that whole like not wanting to be public and, you know, hi- his essays that he's written on the subject. And now after being a little bit public, I'm like, oh, I do get it. It's a huge blessing. Like, oh my God, it's such a huge gift. And responsibility, but it also can, if you, if you don't have your head on straight, it can drive you fucking crazy. And you can turn into a psychopath.

• 1:12:56Speaker 00

  So, so I have this thing where I'm, I'm so blessed that I got started late. And I would say like, yeah, it's like, maybe you got started at like thirty five or something, whatever.

• 1:13:09Codie Sanchez?

  That sounds right.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  And it's just like, you have the requisite maturity to deal with this stuff. I can't imagine myself at twenty years old having to deal with this shit.

• 1:13:18Codie Sanchez?

  No, dude, I'd be Justin Bieber today.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:13:20Codie Sanchez?

  Fucking losing it.

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:13:22Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I mean, he's actually doing pretty good. I'd be Britney Spears. I'd be like those knife chop, I mean, and it's, you know, honestly, especially because people kind of forget when you get this much attention, that you can get in your own head and also turn yourself into a dick, you know, and you can be, everybody's looking, nobody really cares. They care about like thirty seconds online.

• 1:13:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:13:40Codie Sanchez?

  But then you go into the real world and people are mostly only nice.

• 1:13:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:13:43Codie Sanchez?

  You know, unless you're in politics, then I think people are probably mean.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Codie Sanchez?

  We're gonna stay out of that. I'm gonna stick with bank accounts, you stick with bodies.

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 1:13:50Codie Sanchez?

  And we'll take it from there.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't, I don't want to get into that space, but, uh.

• 1:13:54Codie Sanchez?

  No, that would be, that would be un-Canadian of you, actually. Aren't you guys like too nice?

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  No, no, not anymore.

• 1:14:01Codie Sanchez?

  That's actually true, that's actually true.

• 1:14:03Speaker 00

  We don't have that moniker anymore.

• 1:14:05Codie Sanchez?

  Dang it. I know, I watched that hockey game the other night where, where they booed the American flag. French Canadians though, that's a different breed. I, I like that crew. Nick's laughing because he was a hockey player, he knows it's up.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  But the thing is, oh.

• 1:14:21Codie Sanchez?

  We did beat the shit out of you guys then, but then you came back and then you beat us next time. So now we're all even and everybody could be cool.

• 1:14:27Speaker 00

  I don't have that sports thing in me, you know, like, I don't have that.

• 1:14:33Speaker 00

  I just don't, you know, and but then at the same time, when the Canadians were booing the Americans, I was just like, oh shit, we got a long way to go, man. We got a long way to go if this is happening and and you're you're seeing them as an enemy right now.

• 1:14:50Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it's true.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  Oh, I was just like, it broke my heart when it happened. It did, because I was just like, that's not, I mean, it says so many things.

• 1:14:59Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Speaker 00

  That I I am just not in agreement with whatsoever.

• 1:15:04Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I agree. Well, we'll let you hang out in America now still then.

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  I I I.

• 1:15:10Speaker 00

  I was actually telling my fans, like, oh, yeah, we're gonna become the 51st state and they're pretty much like locked into the media scape. And I was just, they're like, fuck. I was like, oh shit.

• 1:15:19Codie Sanchez?

  Too soon, it's during the five.

• 1:15:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, but I'm kind of like, I kind of like, you know.

• 1:15:25Codie Sanchez?

  Would it be the worst thing ever?

• 1:15:26Speaker 00

  I don't think it'd be bad, you know.

• 1:15:28Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, yeah, you know, I think um, I think that if we can't make jokes about stuff like this, then we've lost our minds. But I'm sure people will tell us in the YouTube comments whether they like it. They'll be like, the thing is, that Dan go, I'm unfollowing him.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, pretty much.

• 1:15:44Codie Sanchez?

  No way, your Twitter is, and I'm not saying this just because you're on here, but or X, I can't keep calling it that, but is so good. And I go to it a lot and I think about like, the way that Dan phrases this for the body is what I think for the bank account. And then I kind of like try to craft like, I think it's, so it's, it really makes me think about things.

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:16:03Codie Sanchez?

  And so it's, you do a lot more than just talk about health.

• 1:16:06Speaker 00

  Thank you. I I and for me, it's like, there's so many corollaries between. The finance and also the fitness. All of the same principles almost apply.

• 1:16:17Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Speaker 00

  But then it's just like you just you have to it's almost like you tweak them a little bit.

• 1:16:22Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Speaker 00

  And and for me, I guess like when you become so deep in in one little area, then you start to see the world in that area. You start to kind of like mold the world and like, okay, so that's like, that's why I call it the body dashboard. That's why you have to know your numbers and like all this kind of stuff because that's I'm both into entrepreneurship and fitness. So it's like, like, when you get deep into something, then it just becomes this view in which you see the world. And and you try to kind of expand that a little bit, but but yeah, I try to do my best. I'm not perfect, but you know.

• 1:16:54Codie Sanchez?

  No, it's good stuff, man. Thank you for all the inspiration. You're the man.

• 1:16:56Speaker 00

  Appreciate it. I look up to you, man. I look up to you.

• 1:17:00Codie Sanchez?

  Ah, you really got a lauter mat fetish?

• 1:17:02Speaker 00

  No, I'm honestly like I do. I look at the way in which you present yourself. I look at the way in which you are actually dealing with conflict. Commendable, very commendable, because I've seen some shit and I'm just like, okay, cool. Like, she ignores and, you know, doesn't give this shit energy, right? But at the same time, I I look at the rocket ship that you're on. And I look at the way in which you are doing things. And it comes from a place where I really do think it's like coming from a place where it's like you have this like black belt knowledge, you know, like the black belt, like sensei knowledge. And then you're doing in the way that's just so educating and entertaining.

• 1:17:46Speaker 00

  And I look I look at your content, I'm just like, okay, cool, like this is this is it right here.

• 1:17:51Codie Sanchez?

  Yes.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:52Codie Sanchez?

  Nick, you hear that? Are we proud?

• 1:17:54Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:17:55Codie Sanchez?

  He goes double thumbs up.

• 1:17:56Speaker 00

  Great job. No, you guys are doing fantastic work.

• 1:17:58Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, you're the man. Dango, thank you so much for having us. Dango on all the socials.

• 1:18:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, Dango on all socials.