Kylie on Marrying Into Fandom, Pop Culture Crash Course & Postpartum Lies with Amanda Hirsch | Ep. 7

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Dunkin’ and starts things off by getting honest about preparing for her fourth baby vs. her first. Kylie also shares that she and Jason might be thinking of a curveball for their new baby’s name (1:22). Then, with the Eagles Divisional Round win still fresh in her mind, Kylie discusses the insane behavior of fellow NFL fans and how best to handle this when the person you married is a superfan. As a fan herself, Kylie shares her best tips on how to be a good sports spouse (6:12). After that, pop culture expert Amanda Hirsch of the “Not Skinny But Not Fat” social accounts and podcast joins Kylie to talk about how she created her brand and chose such a memorable name for it (14:12). Amanda shares the celebrities she’s still surprised agreed to be on her podcast and also gives Kylie a crash course on reality TV and pop culture happenings in the latest installment of segment “Coach Me Up” (21:30). And as a fellow mother, Kylie asks Amanda about how she’s able to maintain her own identity beyond motherhood and how she’s even incorporated it into her work (32:37). Amanda and Kylie discuss weight loss during breastfeeding (36:20), motherhood advice they always give and the words their kids know not to say (38:04). Since these episodes are capped at 45 minutes, you can find even more exclusive, never-before-seen clips from Kylie’s conversation with Amanda Hirsch on YouTube on Monday. Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss a thing! . . . Support the Show: DUNKIN’: Try Kylie’s favorite Butter Pecan Iced Coffee at your local Dunkin’! Order in store or order ahead of time on the Dunkin’ app. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Kylie Kelce?

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• 0:40Kylie Kelce?

  new gray hairs. At least. Whew, let's get into this podcast.

• 0:52Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original, brought to you by Dunkin'. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, daughter of Big Ed and Lil' Lies, future minivan driver, and the new owner of a butter pecan friendship bracelet that I got last week at the Late Show. I know, it's Dunkin' colors, too. Gosh, you guys get me. As always, make sure you follow us on social, at NGLwithKylie, and subscribe to the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel. Coming up on today's episode, the NFL playoffs are an emotional time for fans. But today, I want to help out all the relatively sane partners of fans who simply married into the madness with some tips on how to be a good sports spouse. After that, I'm so excited to be

• 1:37Kylie Kelce?

  joined by everyone's favorite pop culture queen and the woman behind the not skinny, but not fat empire, Amanda Hirsch. Another person I have no business speaking to. But before we get to any of that, I'd like to start things off with, can I be honest? With only a couple months left to go, I'm in the final stretch here with baby number four, so I figured I'd get honest about preparing for my fourth baby versus my first. This time around, I've done nearly nothing. We are about 10 weeks out from meeting this child, if all goes to plan, and...

• 2:14Kylie Kelce?

  I have ordered a new baby seat.

• 2:19Kylie Kelce?

  The baby seats that sit on the floor,

• 2:25Kylie Kelce?

  those sort of sling style seats. I ordered a new one that has a wide base and is about the height of a high chair. The reason I did that was because I have a slight concern that her three older sisters may run past and clothesline her.

• 2:47Kylie Kelce?

  And in that situation, it is very much a springy effect. I don't want to know what the end of that looks like. I'm not going to lie. I know a lot of people do a lot to prepare for having a child,

• 3:02Kylie Kelce?

  including educational avenues. So, reading books, taking birth classes. I didn't do any of it. Not even for Wyatt. The books that people read,

• 3:18Kylie Kelce?

  good on you. I, it's not me. And I didn't do it. And I don't plan on doing it now. Because that seems silly.

• 3:29Kylie Kelce?

  We are no closer to choosing a baby name.

• 3:33Kylie Kelce?

  We have had absolutely no progress whatsoever. I have seen a number of people DMing me, telling me baby name suggestions.

• 3:45Kylie Kelce?

  What I will say in response to that is,

• 3:49Kylie Kelce?

  when you suggest a baby name, think of the nicknames that would then go along with that name.

• 3:58Kylie Kelce?

  Because

• 4:01Kylie Kelce?

  I know a lot of great Garrys, but I cannot name my daughter Garrett, knowing that her name, her nickname would be Gary. You see what I'm saying? Also, merit, we have received a lot.

• 4:20Kylie Kelce?

  I am, I like Christmas, but I don't need to feel merry, you know? Can I be really honest before we finish? Can I be honest?

• 4:34Kylie Kelce?

  There's a good chance that this child doesn't even get two Ts. I know. People are very invested in this, but I just feel like a curveball might be fun. And also, we've run out, I think. So just prepare yourselves. If we don't have two Ts, it's okay, and she's still one of us. Now that really does it for Can I Be Honest? Moving on, there's something else going on in my life that's a close second to my growing family, and that is this Philadelphia Eagles situation. That's what I'm gonna call it. Don't worry.

• 5:18Kylie Kelce?

  I do have the wooden spoon again, but I'm gonna try my best not to need it. So there might be some situations where I need you to read between the lines.

• 5:30Kylie Kelce?

  Shout out to the spoons last week. I'm not saying it worked, but you saw it.

• 5:37Kylie Kelce?

  That's kinda making me wanna go, shit! So early. Okay. You guys know I'm crazy, as evidenced by the spoons, but I realize some of you actually are normal and just married into this. And since I didn't livestream myself at the game on Sunday, thank goodness, I'm going to check out a few clips of Eagles fans to explain what I'm getting at here. Show them my people, Queen Emma!

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Show them my fucking asshole!

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Ah, where is he?

• 6:15Kylie Kelce?

  It's the pacing and yelling for me, and the cursing at the TV as if the person can hear you. A lot of middle fingers are necessary.

• 6:27Kylie Kelce?

  It just feels good to flip a hard bird. Everybody knows that. I like when there's tears, but you can't tell whether this, the crying is happy or sad tears. If you're dealing with a similar level of fandom in your home, I want you to know that I'm here for you too. Here are my tips on how to be a good sports spouse. Tip one, accept the fact that the team will dominate your partner's thoughts for a while. Okay, this applies to pregame and postgame. Okay, pregame, they're going to need to be getting mentally ready. Mentally ready for anything that could possibly unfold. And then postgame, they're going to be watching highlights at 6 a.m. at full volume.

• 7:09Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, because who doesn't want to relive that Saquon Barkley run for a touchdown? With snow on the ground. God, that was beautiful. You may ask your spouse to take the dog out and suddenly hear them screaming, "Go Birds!" at the neighbors. Um, that's a bonding experience. Uh, and I know that you might think that that's embarrassing. But that's camaraderie between neighbors. That's going to be the neighbor that sees a package out front and snags it for you to make sure it stays safe. Okay, that's that go Birds bonding. Don't be embarrassed about that. Okay, it just, it's a perk. This next tip hits very close to home.

• 7:54Kylie Kelce?

  Number two, don't question our superstitions. We know we're being irrational. But whatever gets us that W, that's what we're doing. Uh, superstitions may include, but are not limited to knocking on various items made of wood, crossing your arms or legs in any specific way, moving seats, standing in a specific spot, making sure that your drink is aligned properly on the coffee table, maybe eating the exact same things every week, or drinking the exact same things every week. Uh, a specific volume number.

• 8:35Kylie Kelce?

  I know that this all sounds a little outside of the box. But you just need to be supportive. So instead of calling out our sickness, I suggest playing along or honestly, taking the day off. Treat yourself to something you'd rather be doing. Get out of the house. But if you're gonna be in a shared space with the spouse,

• 9:00Kylie Kelce?

  you need to be there and you need to be supportive. Okay? And that includes superstitions. Number three, if the team loses, give your partner time to grieve, AKA the cry it out method that Queen Emma very nicely pointed out.

• 9:17Kylie Kelce?

  Very similar. I would say that we probably need to live by the 24 hour rule, which is something that a lot of athletes personally live by.

• 9:30Kylie Kelce?

  But in the playoffs, very different, very different. You're gonna need days, okay, days to dwell on it, to maybe re-watch some of the clips, figure out where they went wrong.

• 9:46Kylie Kelce?

  Make sure that we are ready to assess the situation, address it in the offseason and be back and ready for anything the year, the next season. It just,

• 9:57Kylie Kelce?

  very simple. We need time. Okay, so just make sure that you're prepared to give us that space. And if you prepare for it and you don't need it, even better. Know what I mean? But seriously, like, let us grieve. Number four, do not tell us it's just a game.

• 10:21Kylie Kelce?

  It's not.

• 10:24Kylie Kelce?

  I think that anyone who has a serious sports spouse will know that a win or a loss can very much dictate, at the very least, how the next 24 to 48 hours goes in your house. And because of that, it's not just a game.

• 10:45Kylie Kelce?

  You know that this has the possibility of lifting up or tearing down our city

• 10:52Kylie Kelce?

  as a whole. You don't, that's not a game. It's our lives.

• 11:00Kylie Kelce?

  Come on, like I said, be supportive. And tip number five.

• 11:07Kylie Kelce?

  Talk shit with us. If we're yelling at the TV, join in. You're, this is not just a me thing. You are more than welcome, more than welcome to yell not only positive things, but negative things as well. As long as you are directing them at the people who deserve them. Without fail, you can do that to the opposing team. Even if the opposing team has not done a single thing to piss off your spouse in the last, let's say, three to five minutes. You can still hit them with a, fuck, how about them?

• 11:46Kylie Kelce?

  It will still be well received. Because at that point, we are just hunkered down. Anything and everything against our opponent. Okay? So, take note. Bonus, if you dare to take us to a watch party, give people fair warning. Do not take a crazy sports spouse out of the house into someone else's home and expect that the friends you're going to spend the day with have seen what they are about to see. So you should engage in a full warning. You should probably take gifts

• 12:31Kylie Kelce?

  or high reward foods. Because they deserve a thank you for putting up with something that you agreed to when you said I do. That does it for my tips on how to be a good sports spouse. If both people in your relationship are intense fans, all I can say is, good fucking luck. And go Birds!

• 13:00Kylie Kelce?

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• 13:42Kylie Kelce?

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• 14:26Kylie Kelce?

  Amanda Hirsch, welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Thank you. That was so nice. Thank you. Thank you for having me on like the number one podcast in the world, Kylie.

• 14:38Kylie Kelce?

  Barely.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Stop. It is.

• 14:40Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I started following you when the Emma Stone clip came out.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Hey, nice to meet you. I love your pod. My what? Podcast. You do? Your pod. Goodbye, everyone. I quit for the day.

• 14:55Kylie Kelce?

  Your reaction was so chill and yet so perfectly hype.

• 15:03Kylie Kelce?

  Like there was this underlying, just like, I've made it. And also like, uh, we can leave it. Like, just like the quick wit of like, we can go. We, I'm done here was outstanding. The vibe passed.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  I know. That was Emma Stone. Listen, when I met her, I, that, I, I was working at that event. It was like a Vuv champagne event. And until that night, the big guest was supposed to be Margot Robbie, which is obviously a very exciting interview as well. And last minute, they, they got Emma Stone instead. And I was like, oh my God, I love her so much. And, and who could have ever thought in my life that that would be what she would say? That she said, I love your pod. Cause we didn't, everyone is an audience of that. But she, and I, and I genuinely thought she said pad. And I thought there was like a, a period pad on my face.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Because what could she be talking about? But she, she tried to be funny because she is so funny. And I didn't get it, you know? And, and it was, and it was such a moment, but I have to say, she was so sweet and fun and got it right away. And like, was in on it. And just even after, she was just exactly what you would want. Emma Stone to be I R L. And that is kind of what happens with these, which I'm sure you know, you, you're meeting a lot of like celebs and A listers and whatever. And it's like, usually like the bigger they are, the fucking like cooler and nicer. You know what I mean? It's not like, you know, you meet, you know, and they're standoffish or something.

• 16:44Kylie Kelce?

  Will you hold out hope? I think when you see these people climb to the top and are so successful and you hold out hope that to some degree, they are as awesome as you have made them out to be in your brain? And when they deliver, when you meet them, you're like, hell yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:05Kylie Kelce?

  You kind of get like, like you just, it, it, the reaffirm, the fact that it reaffirms what you've already built up. You're like, this is great. This is great news. Thank you for not letting me down.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:18Kylie Kelce?

  You're amazing.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Too far and you're like, we're gonna be best friends. Okay, maybe not that. Fine. Okay. Reel it in.

• 17:24Kylie Kelce?

  This feels great. I think we're, I think we have something here.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  We have something here. It's happening. We're gonna be best friends.

• 17:31Kylie Kelce?

  Before we go any further, I have to ask about the name Not Skinny But Not Fat.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  So dumb.

• 17:40Kylie Kelce?

  How did you initially choose that name?

• 17:42Speaker 01

  So dumb. So I should be, I should be prouder of my brand.

• 17:46Kylie Kelce?

  I can tell you love it now. Yes.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  Um, low, here's the thing. When I started, do you remember, uh, like 2015, 2015 was the year of like meme accounts? Right? So I'll name a few. Fat Jewish, fuck Jerry, my therapist says, uh, beige cardigan, like all these names.

• 18:08Kylie Kelce?

  What, what throwbacks? Geez Louise.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  I know. Am I aging myself?

• 18:13Kylie Kelce?

  No, because these are all ringing a bell.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  So I actually started in 2015 or 16 as a meme account.

• 18:23Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  So when I started and had an idea like, oh, all these funny things that people are writing, like I love to write and, and I wanted to do that too. Just for fun or even to just like, you know, relate to other people. Um, cause I think I was like going through a depressed time and like, I loved just reading those like quick, funny, you know, memes they were called at the time. So I was like, you know, you know, those late night bedtime thoughts. I was like going to bed and I was like, I will open a meme account. Like literally, and I will call it not screaming, but literally just because my brain was wired in those names.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Like everybody had a name that was like catchy and like, you know, so, and I thought it was genius that my brain came up with this a night and started it the next day.

• 19:11Kylie Kelce?

  Now you have gotten the opportunity on your podcast to talk to so many different celebrities and reality TV stars.

• 19:20Kylie Kelce?

  I always jokingly say that I, on the show specifically, you would be included in this list now of, I get to talk to people that I have no business talking to. Is there one guest that you've had that, that caught you off guard more than others? In, in terms of like that you were shocked that you had the opportunity to speak to them?

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Well, Ryan Reynolds, I'll tell you why. Because he and Kristen Stewart, oh my God, Kristen Stewart. I was even more than Ryan Reynolds because she is so cool, right? You just see her and you're like, okay, coolest human on earth that like, even with Ryan, I was like, okay, he has some like basic bitch millennial in him, you know? He'll say it. He is a basic bitch millennial. So Kristen Stewart is not. Like to me, I was just like, she's too, oh, when I was pregnant, Kylie, do you ever get this? When you're pregnant, you feel less cool?

• 20:19Kylie Kelce?

  A thousand percent.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Okay. So in my mind, Kristen Stewart came up, came on when I was bumping, like I was so pregnant. And I was like, if I wasn't pregnant, I'd be like smoking a cigarette with her and like, be like, what drug are we doing?

• 20:31Kylie Kelce?

  Meanwhile, you're like trying to say a whole sentence without heavy breathing.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Exactly. How uncool is that? And by the way, I couldn't shut up about it. So I kept telling her this while she was on my podcast. I'd be like, it's uncool to be pregnant. I know. So uncool to be growing a human. I know. And she was just like, yeah, totally. I even told her, I was like, you're just so cool. And really, I was like, do you watch any reality TV? No, like all the things, like you could just tell she's too cool for all those things. However, I still managed to kind of find the like, the relatable Kristen Stewart. And that's like the best part. Like when people listen to the episode and we're like, we saw a side of her that we didn't see. And you know, she's usually like this in interviews and she was more open. I was like, that to me is the biggest.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  compliment I could ever get in my life. Obviously that she was willing to come and she came and then that people saw a different side of her and that she kind of was like, I got that little basic bitch out of her, like a tiny bit, even there's so little, but I got some of it, you know, but that, that, those are really cool moments, obviously. Um, yeah, she was, she was super cool.

• 21:41Kylie Kelce?

  That actually, that leads us into our next segment perfectly. Um, this segment is, is titled, Coach Me Up. Um, I have said before that, um, you are a pop culture expert and I'm not going to lie. I am so bad at keeping up with any of that. I can't even put it into words. Um, I do not watch really reality TV. Um, I don't keep up with celebrity happenings. So, um, I'm just wondering-

• 22:17Speaker 01

  Well, first I'm here for you, Kylie.

• 22:19Kylie Kelce?

  Well, this, this is where, this is where it goes. It, this is where I need you to coach me up. Um, I'm hoping that you can give me a little bit of a crash course here. So I have a list of some pop culture questions.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:33Kylie Kelce?

  And if you could answer them for me, I feel like you might be able to put me on a, on a better track. My first question here is, um, if I were to watch any of the Real Housewives.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 22:44Kylie Kelce?

  Which, which city?

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:48Kylie Kelce?

  Should it be?

• 22:50Speaker 01

  I would say, which this is probably unpopular, I would say, uh, New York or New Jersey. And this is why I think for you, yes, because you're an East Coast girl. So for me personally, like, I like those franchises, even though everyone would be like Beverly Hills, you know, whatever. But I'm from New York. I want to see what they're doing in New York. You know what I mean?

• 23:10Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  And/or New Jersey, because I'm familiar with it and it's like still here and they come into the city. So I feel like because you're an East Coast girl, like you would care more about that, relate more to it, feel it more, get into it more. Um, so yeah, I would say New York or New Jersey. To go back though, to the OG days, like not start at present day.

• 23:33Kylie Kelce?

  Great. Um, what is Vanderpump Rules?

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  We have work to do.

• 23:43Kylie Kelce?

  When I, so we obviously have a

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Wait, you really?

• 23:46Kylie Kelce?

  We have a, so we have a rundown.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 23:49Kylie Kelce?

  Here that Queen Emma puts together and then we go through it ahead of the show and we decide how to like pick and choose.

• 24:00Kylie Kelce?

  When she wrote this, she said, I'm assuming you don't know what Vanderpump Rules is. And I said, you assumed right.

• 24:08Kylie Kelce?

  I know that there is a like pretty matriarch, dark haired woman who is the

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:16Kylie Kelce?

  Head.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:18Kylie Kelce?

  That's all I know. That's all I got. I couldn't tell you who else is involved in the show.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Wait, can I ask you a question?

• 24:23Kylie Kelce?

  Name? Sure.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  You and Jason play head to head. Who's better at pop culture stuff?

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Like, would he know Vanderpump Rules?

• 24:38Kylie Kelce?

  I don't think so.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Would he know more than you?

• 24:40Kylie Kelce?

  I don't think so.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Okay, so you're saying you might be the better one of the two, of you two?

• 24:46Kylie Kelce?

  Which is a shame. It's so sad. That's so embarrassing.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Well, Vanderpump Rules, it's in the title. That woman with the, with the hair is Lisa Vanderpump.

• 24:59Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  This actually connects with our first question. She was on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and her business was managing a restaurant called Sir. And she was like, and the producers who would follow her would be like, Wade, you have drama on the Housewives, but we see that your staff is like hot, sexy. They're all having sex or all whatever. Maybe we should do a show about them. And so she started producing that show, which then became Vanderpump Rules, because she was the boss of this restaurant. All of the staff were like fucking each other, like doing wild shit.

• 25:36Kylie Kelce?

  So it's based in a restaurant?

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Right, but they for are like 45 now, so they haven't been working at the restaurant. Like, there have been like 10 seasons or something. So, but I'm so glad that now you know, I'm like, gonna take this honor with me that now you know at least like what it is.

• 25:53Kylie Kelce?

  I will take that knowledge with me. This is so bad. Um, if I were to start watching any reality dating show,

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 26:03Kylie Kelce?

  Which would you recommend? I will say I have heard a lot about Love Island. I have not seen a single episode.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  I wasn't thinking Love Island for you. I was thinking for you, Love is Blind. I feel like your Love is Blind.

• 26:18Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, is Love is Blind when they are speaking through a wall?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:23Kylie Kelce?

  I'm assuming.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  And it's Netflix, so it's.

• 26:26Kylie Kelce?

  And they meet up at the end in a weird little hallway.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Um, yeah.

• 26:33Kylie Kelce?

  I've seen the hallway in TikTok clips.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  So I think that's where I would start for you. I think Love Island is like too much for you. It's, it's throwing you in. It's like 65 episodes. I'm not lying. It's literally 65 because Love Island is shot like Big Brother, where it's like the cameras are just there all day. So it goes up every day. It's one a day for the whole, like, three weeks that they're there in this villa. So every day, it's literally a show a day. So there are literally like 60 episodes. So that's not for you. That's not for a beginner.

• 27:10Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  No, Love is Blind is like 10, you know?

• 27:14Kylie Kelce?

  Great.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:15Kylie Kelce?

  That's such a good thing to note because.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  It's insane. It's a commitment of no other. Like, people need to, like, be with their laptops all day. It's really, it's really not for moms. Like, I, it's really hard for me when I decide to dive in. I need to, like, I'm like fast forwarding episodes. I'm like, I need to be calcula-, it's crazy. Yeah.

• 27:38Kylie Kelce?

  That feels like way too much.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:40Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, all right, I will try Love is Blind.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:44Kylie Kelce?

  If, if I get there.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:48Kylie Kelce?

  We'll see. Uh, I keep seeing Timothy Chalamet all over your stories.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Love, she's talking like a reporter on Channel 5, like, I keep seeing this man.

• 28:00Kylie Kelce?

  I, yes, I've seen.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:05Kylie Kelce?

  What, what?

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Oh, you're not attracted. I already know. You're not attracted.

• 28:09Kylie Kelce?

  Is that what it is? Okay, so.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  You're not, first of all, let me tell you, just tell me, Amanda, you were right. I'm not attracted.

• 28:18Kylie Kelce?

  Correct.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  You're not attracted.

• 28:22Kylie Kelce?

  Have you seen The Man I Married?

• 28:24Speaker 01

  No, right. I think that what's happening for you is you're seeing the hype and you're like, okay, I'd love to watch a film, but I don't get the hype. I get it.

• 28:34Kylie Kelce?

  Because I've never been negative. It's, there's never been like, I don't, that's awful. I don't get it. It's just that I don't quite understand the hype and I felt like I was missing out on something. So that makes a lot more sense. That does it for Coach Me Up. So I've learned a couple of things.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Okay, you did.

• 28:49Kylie Kelce?

  I did.

• 28:52Kylie Kelce?

  I feel better about the Timothy Chalamet situation. Cause I felt like I was really missing something. And also I now know that if I need to lean into a dating show, Love is Blind is my answer.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  And now you also know that Lisa Vanderpump created Vanderpump Rules.

• 29:09Kylie Kelce?

  I can't, I still can't get over that it started in a restaurant.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Babe, when I tell you that was peak reality TV, when I tell you it was like waiters dating each other, boning each other, the best friend boning his best friend's best friend. It was like reality TV like that doesn't exist anymore.

• 29:26Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, I do think there, the closest I ever got to committing to a reality TV show, which makes sense for your recommendation for The Real Housewives, was Jersey Shore.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. So you watched.

• 29:43Kylie Kelce?

  Outstanding show.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that was really our times, you know, it was like, everybody was watching Jersey Shore on MTV. Like, we were all watching it. It wasn't like, are you watching? We all watched it.

• 29:56Kylie Kelce?

  The funny part was, is that calling it Jersey Shore is hilar, especially hilarious to me because I grew up going to the South Jersey Shore.

• 30:10Kylie Kelce?

  Very different experience.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  What? How is it different?

• 30:15Kylie Kelce?

  There is not, we're not, we're not GTL. There's very few clubs.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:21Kylie Kelce?

  It's good, clean, family fun for the most part. Within a ca- like with the good dive bars, but like not, we're not fist bumping and no.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was into Pauly D, by the way. I don't know why. I was like, I could, they had some-

• 30:39Kylie Kelce?

  You liked the blow dry?

• 30:41Speaker 01

  I don't know what I liked. It's like a weird thing. I was like, I get it. I get it, Pauly.

• 30:45Kylie Kelce?

  His humor was incredible.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Funny. Maybe, see, funny speaks to me.

• 30:51Kylie Kelce?

  I just saw a clip recently of when he walked in and the girl, I don't know which of the women were mad at him. And he was like, I'm mad at you because you were mad at me and now I'm mad at you. So now we're all mad and like walks out and I'm like, this is incredible. This is, how do we not, like the fucking duck phone? I'm like, I can't, I want-

• 31:11Speaker 01

  I know.

• 31:11Kylie Kelce?

  The whole like-

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Take us back.

• 31:14Kylie Kelce?

  I, it was good. It was, yeah, it felt like a warm hug.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  So you have it in you to love reality TV?

• 31:21Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, I do.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Somewhere deep down.

• 31:24Kylie Kelce?

  Just, I will say, I did not watch any of the extended-

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Me neither, me neither. Yeah.

• 31:30Kylie Kelce?

  But I, the OG Jersey Shore, I love them.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 31:34Kylie Kelce?

  And now for the third installment of our fictional Duncan short film saga.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Interior Duncan 2018, Kylie's bachelorette party. Kylie McDebit, soon to be Kelsey, stands in the middle of her old stomping grounds for one last hurrah. She and friends are cheersing with butter pecan iced coffees. The bridesmaids all chant, speech, speech, speech.

• 31:57Kylie Kelce?

  Well, I'm a woman of my word, ladies. I said if he agreed to a date in this Duncan, I'd marry him. And here we are, the night before my wedding.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  We wind out to see Duncan is decked out for the occasion. A butter pecan ice sculpture, a tower of munchkins, even a glazed donut fundue station.

• 32:14Kylie Kelce?

  There's no place I'd rather celebrate my final single night than at this very Dunkin'. Two good times, great friends, and even better coffee. Cheers.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  Kylie and the girls all cheers their butter pecans. Kylie's maid of honor, former teammate Beverly, suddenly gasps. She shows Kylie an email on her phone.

• 32:36Kylie Kelce?

  Hi Bev, we regret to inform you, but we can no longer host the Kelsey McDevitt wedding as we have double booked our venue.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Kylie drops her butter pecan on the ground in disbelief.

• 32:52Kylie Kelce?

  Bev, please tell me this is one of your famous pranks.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Bev takes a big gob of butter pecan.

• 32:59Kylie Kelce?

  The wedding is tomorrow. Where are we gonna have it now?

• 33:05Speaker 02

  To be continued.

• 33:06Kylie Kelce?

  I read a quote of yours about motherhood that I absolutely love. You said, "You can still be a dumb bitch and have a baby."

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, "You could be a mom and still be a dumb bitch," is the sentence. Yeah. And I say it every day.

• 33:23Kylie Kelce?

  Did you say this after your first baby?

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:26Kylie Kelce?

  I love that so much.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it's not, again, the three people that don't get it will be like,

• 33:36Speaker 01

  it's, it's more like, because before, when I got pregnant with Noah, my first, I had just started kind of taking off and doing what I do. And I was like, very much like, oh, like, you know how you're scared, like, a baby's gonna halt your career and your passions and your everything. And I said to myself, like, you're gonna keep doing what you're doing. You're just gonna be a mom, but you're gonna keep doing the dumb shit. That's how I talk to myself, that you do. Like, you're gonna watch reality TV, you're gonna take selfies, you're gonna... I even told myself, which is so weird that I actually ended up doing that, I'd be like, you'll breastfeed that baby, and as you're breastfeeding, you're gonna fucking talk about what's happening today. I kept on doing my shit, meaning, like, you don't have to be a mom,

• 34:21Speaker 01

  and the minute you become a mom, only care about mom things, do mom things, baby stuff, like, not know how to have fun anymore, not care about dumb shit, not have your... Hobbies, your friends, your, you can do all that and be a mom.

• 34:37Kylie Kelce?

  It is the most selfless thing you will have to do in your life. Like you, it is to some degree, all encompassing, right? Like at any point in the day, you do have to always be concerned about the tiny humans you're responsible for. But I think there is a misconception that it wipes out the rest of you and makes you solely mom. Whereas what we need to do is tack it on to the end of the resume and keep the rest of the shit that also defines us as who we are as people. Because we're still us. Just because we made a human being, or we are a mother to a tiny human, doesn't mean that like, we are only mom.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  You said it even better than I could. And, and moreover, I think that they give you so much motivation and even more purpose in life. Nothing makes me happier than being able to do what I'm doing and come home to my baby, now babies, or be home with my babies and then have to run out and come back. Like, it gives me this like, complete life. You know what I mean? That I, that I, that I love. But I want people to know that like, if you're scared to have a baby, obviously there are a million things that go into it and you can always do your, your, your, your little plus and minus, or timeline, or when is right. I did that too. But I think that the fear that you won't be able to succeed anymore, or you won't

• 36:06Speaker 01

  be able to start something new, or you won't be able to have any sort of a life, or it's just not what I experienced and also what I think that anybody could, um, could do, you know, and balance it so that you don't have to. And by the way, there are people that wanna just lean into that. And they end up like, you know, learning parenting courses, or wanting to teach kids stuff. Great, you don't have to, is what I'm saying. You don't have to get the mom haircut, even though I did get a bob. Um, you don't have to. I'm growing out the hair, you know?

• 36:47Kylie Kelce?

  I love it. Um, one of my favorite videos of yours, speaking of breastfeeding, is when you mentioned that you are the living exception to the idea that women who lose pregnancy weight faster when they breastfeed.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  It'll come right off. Did you do a not gonna lie about this? It'll come right off. It'll shed right off.

• 37:12Kylie Kelce?

  I will tell you what, the only weight I lost while breastfeeding was the hair off of my head.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 37:20Kylie Kelce?

  That's, uh huh. That's it. Baby hairs, breakage. That's what I lost.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not a real, I don't get it. Again, it makes sense like that you would be burning these calories or whatever scientifically is supposed to happen. And for the people that it happens for, fuck you. But yeah, it was not my experience.

• 37:42Kylie Kelce?

  Well, this actually, my biggest piece of mom advice to any mom is do not get your heart set on anything.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:52Kylie Kelce?

  From pregnancy all the way through into motherhood. Don't think that you are going to have no nausea. Don't think that you are going to be unscathed by the sciatic nerve pain. Don't think that you are going to only gain 20 pounds. Don't think that you are going to breastfeed. Don't think that you are going to have a natural birth. So don't get your heart set on anything because baby is going to do what the fuck baby wants to do.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  I love that. It's so true.

• 38:23Kylie Kelce?

  And why stress out about something that at the end of the day is going to be okay, but might not have been your first choice?

• 38:32Speaker 01

  It's so true. I said a very similar thing about birth plans. Cause I from the beginning said, no, what's a birth plan? How could you plan when you don't know what the fuck is gonna happen? How? And then I, my, my explanation for that was like, imagine you plan this whole thing. And then God forbid, you end up needing a C-section or, you know, and how that disappointment.

• 38:55Kylie Kelce?

  That's not how you want to start motherhood.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:57Kylie Kelce?

  Um, something else I think we have in common. I saw the other day that you posted an Instagram story about your oldest saying fucker and you trying to get him to say Tucker. Um, now I'm hoping that I know the answer here. Is it safe to assume that you curse in front of the kids?

• 39:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I don't think I say fucker, you know?

• 39:19Kylie Kelce?

  They always pick the ones you don't use.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  And this is me lying to myself probably, but I really don't think it's from me because the fucker, I don't say, but I really need to look up. I was going to tell myself to look it up. I think what I'm assuming the right thing to do is, is not do what I did, which was laugh and like, be like no or yes. Um, but you know what I said to another mom the other day? I was like, him cursing is like the least of my problems. You know what I mean? Like,

• 39:45Kylie Kelce?

  Absolutely.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Like, like me and my husband even agree on it. Like, we're like, that, yeah, to other people, they're like, that's crazy. But I'm like, him saying that word that he doesn't know what it means,

• 39:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  really is not at the top of my like, we need to, you know, take care of this with Noah. You know what I mean? But I think what we're gonna do, because it is happening, I am sure Kylie, I'm positive he's not doing it at school. So like, I'm not worried because he's way more scared of his teacher, which is like, I need to think about what I'm doing wrong here. But yeah, he wouldn't do it at school because I've said to him, like, should I tell your, your teacher, you're saying that? And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. So he wouldn't do it at school. He's just doing it with us and like,

• 40:30Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  to get a rise. Yeah.

• 40:32Kylie Kelce?

  I have caught a lot of flack because I am very open about the fact that I curse in front of my kids. I firmly believe that I don't quite understand why we have to give those words so much weight in pretending that they are. Like offensive to kids and my kids know that they're grown up words and they don't use them personally. And all of the stuff.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:55Kylie Kelce?

  Um, there are words that throughout their life, they will hear, um, and they won't be shocked by them because they grew up with them. But why do you think that people get so personally offended by the people suggesting that they curse in front of their kids?

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Well, I, I feel like because like I've told you, um, that I've been doing what I have been doing on top of my kids since they were born. You know what I mean? Like I was literally breastfeeding with Noah being like, so then he went blah, and then he fucking went there and people would respond. But I actually felt like it was more like, not it's so cool, but it was like refreshing to people that I just kept on speaking normally. You know what I mean? Next to my kid. Um, and I think the words, like again, to me fucker isn't crazy.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Like it's, it, it's the F word, you know, but, um, to me, like if he was putting someone else down, I would be way more upset. You know what I mean? Like, um, if he was, it's, I feel like it's not, uh, if you heard at home that we were speaking not nicely to each other and calling each other names, you know what I mean? But

• 42:12Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  The cursing that we do is more like a fucking this, a fucking that, which isn't great. And I'm not saying speak like that all day, but I would be, I would take it way more seriously if he was coming to kids and calling them stupid or dumb or, or just any, any insulting word, you know what I mean?

• 42:30Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Then like the cursing that kind of is meaningless.

• 42:34Kylie Kelce?

  It's in our house, our girls will stop you if you say the word stupid. If you say hate, if you say shut up is a big one. We don't, like I grew up in a house where you don't say that. My sister and I could call each other lots of names. And the minute one of us said, shut up, my mom would be like, that's enough. And I stand by that. I think it is, when you say it in a serious tone, not in the sort of, um, like princess diaries, like shut up, like, like the, not the joking way. Very much in like the, the aggressive, I, it hurts my ears because the house that I was

• 43:17Kylie Kelce?

  raised in. So shut up is a big one. No one in our house says it. And recently loser has been added to the list. You are not allowed to say loser because I don't know where that came from.

• 43:29Kylie Kelce?

  But it was not happening in our house.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  Blame the kid. Blame another kid.

• 43:34Kylie Kelce?

  I, it is, for some reason, that one hits my ears.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:38Kylie Kelce?

  Poorly too, but those are all words where our kids know. Like they will say it and then go, oh.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  But how? How did you do that? What did you do? Like?

• 43:49Kylie Kelce?

  We just, we just have talked about that they're unkind words. So hate, I, I always say like, you can say you don't like something, but hate is really, that means a lot more than not liking something. Um, uh, shut up. I always just say like, it's not nice to tell someone that.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:08Kylie Kelce?

  Like if someone has something to say, we should let them say it. Um, it, and like stupid, I, there's so many other words, like be more creative. Well, I can't thank you enough for joining me today. I am so grateful. Um, I love that you are not only leaning into what you love and what you loved pre-kids, but that you've continued with your content and, um, that you're continuing to crush it. And, um, I thank you so much for joining us today.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. Truly.

• 44:45Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much again to my guest, Amanda Hirsch, for joining me. As always, you'll be able to find even more exclusive clips on More Shit Monday on my YouTube channel. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by Dunkin'. Thank you guys again for tuning in.

• 45:22Kylie Kelce?

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