Grifting Graceland w/ Ronald Young Jr.

On today’s episode, Laci is joined by Ambie Award-winning podcaster Ronald Young Jr. to unpack the wild Graceland grift — the one that had Priscilla Presley firing up Microsoft Paint to fight back against scammer Lisa Jeanine Findley. Turns out, in Memphis, Tennessee, all you need to fake-sell someone else’s house is a mailbox and a dream. Plus, title pirates are on the rise. Stay frosty, friends! Stay schemin'! CON-gregation, catch Laci's new TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Ronald Young Jr.: @ohitsbigron Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://apnews.com/article/graceland-elvis-presley-fraud-foreclosure-sale-c1a821d32c64c06afbeef277f0a793d7 https://apnews.com/article/graceland-elvis-presley-auction-lawsuit-riley-keough-4c5d2dda1c189997319d331794e8f8d0 https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/arts/music/graceland-fraud-identity-thief-emails.html https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/woman-accused-of-trying-to-steal-graceland-enters-plea-deal/article_4b2c8136-f37d-11ef-88cc-079a4093f353.html https://people.com/missouri-woman-scheme-sell-elvis-presley-graceland-pleads-guilty-mail-fraud-11686801 https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local-businesses-suffer-from-damage-amidst-recent-protests/article_a10cba7c-0718-50a1-af5a-facd0dcbd264.html https://www.foxbusiness.com/video/6361972716112 https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/local/2024/05/23/graceland-foreclosure-how-did-it-happen/73802992007/

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• 1:50Laci Mosley?

  What is pop in congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the podcast all about fraud, robbery, and those who practice it. Yes, it is a comedy show, y'all. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will figure it out along the way. But if you're an OG congregation member... You know, if you pass out programs at the beginning of service, if you stay afterwards and help us count the money. Wednesday night prayer meeting has been really lit. I see y'all at Singles Night. I'm about to come join you. But thank you all so much for spreading the gospel and the word of this television show. Or well, there is a television show, but of this podcast. So y'all already know that I'm what?

• 2:32Laci Mosley?

  Yes, excited, thrilled, elated for this king today blessing the show. Today on the pod, we have an award winning podcast host, producer and storyteller. He's also a pop culture enthusiast hosting the Pop Culture Debate Club podcast and a frequent guest on NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour. He's also the host of the critically acclaimed and award winning podcast Wait For It, which delves into the complex ways we think about our bodies. And he's gearing up to premiere in season three of Wait For It soon. Okay? So there's, there's more coming. Congregation, please welcome to the show Ronald Young Jr.

• 3:11Speaker 05

  Oh, thank you so much. Lacey, that introduction took me back to church where the visiting pastor would have to sit through an introduction of themselves and they have to like hold the straight face. She did that so well. I'm a hog in slop right now. This is amazing.

• 3:24Laci Mosley?

  We're like, well, so Mr. Ronald Young Jr.

• 3:29Laci Mosley?

  He currently lives in Washington DC.

• 3:33Speaker 05

  You can't take the church out of the girl, Lacey. It's in you. It's in you.

• 3:40Laci Mosley?

  We gotta give you a warm welcome, okay?

• 3:43Speaker 05

  Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

• 3:45Laci Mosley?

  Now Ronald, you know, I have to ask, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you run into either a pass of statute of limitations and FBI and I won't be knocking at your door? It could be anything.

• 4:00Speaker 05

  I am not a scammer, so I have never done any scams myself. Now, I have been the victim of a few scams. Only one I feel comfortable sharing and I will share with you that one. So, uh, we all pay bills, you know, you, me, everybody, we all pay bills. Every now and then you're a little late with a bill and it's like, you know, one, two days like who cares? There's a grace period, no big deal.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  You forgot about it. They hit you up like, hey, did you forget about this? Bank of America loves that. Hey, girl, did you forget about us? It's like, yes, I never want to remember a bill. So sure.

• 4:33Speaker 05

  I'm never gonna call y'all. So don't, don't worry. Yes, I did forget and I hope that you would never come back. Uh, no, I, I, my electricity. So and I've been in a situation where I've not paid my electricity. I've had my lights turned off, not recently, but like if you're in your twenties, like, you know, sometimes you just live in La Vida Loca and the lights get turned off. It is what it is. But this was one time, you know, I felt like I was on it. I was paying my bills all the time, my electric bill. And I think I was like two or three days late and I realized I was like, oh snap, I didn't pay my electric bill and I realized this. And I think a day passed before I actually thought to go in and pay it, but in that day I get a call from the electric company. And they're like, hey, you're late on your bill. And I'm like, oh, I know. I, I, I absolutely know.

• 5:15Speaker 05

  Let me pay y'all right now. Let me pull up the website. And they were like, yo, the website's actually down.

• 5:20Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 5:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. I was like, what do you mean the website's down? I'm looking at it right now. I have it up. It says I owe like 70 bucks. I'm about to pay that right now. No big deal. And they're like, well, actually it'd be easier if you just paid us over the phone via check. And I was like, really? They're like, yeah, because we're having an issue with our website and what the amount is showing on the website is different from what you actually owe. So they're like, it looks like here you actually owe us, and they said something like a hundred and something dollars, something like that. And I was like, and I sat there and the alarm bells start ringing in my head and I'm like, wait, I don't. If the website says this amount, I'm not gonna pay you twice what the website says. Y'all need to figure that out yourself, but I'm gonna pay through the website and I'm not gonna mess with y'all.

• 6:01Speaker 05

  And dude's like, well, you could, and he like starts trailing off and then just hangs up on me, hangs up the phone.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  He gave up.

• 6:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. So I'm like, what's, what, what, what, what is going on? I called the electric company. I called them and they're like, I'm like, hey, so there's this guy that called me. They're like, that's a scam. That's, we don't call. That's a scam. Well, you'll get a letter and then we turn it off. We'd never, we're never gonna call you. Don't even worry. I was like, wow, they almost got me, Lacey. They almost got me like very close, if not for like the inherent alarm bells on the inside.

• 6:32Laci Mosley?

  They almost did. And you know what? One, they got lucky that you were a little late on your bill because like that happens. But usually if you're one or two days late, like they're sending that letter in the mail, you know, with the red writing on it, like overdue notice. I don't know who decided that they were like, you know how we really gonna yell at these bitches via mail? Write it in red and then put a fake stamp around it. So they think that when we sent it out, we were like, boom, like overdue.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  The fake stamp is the funniest part. Like you printed it out so it looked like it was stamped. You could have just stamped it, but it's easier for you to print it out because that's cheaper. But you still want it to look as intimidating as a stamp, which is what?

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  It's so insane. And it's like, really, you're trying to, and you can't intimidate people via mail. It's very hard. So I get it. They were like, we need a fake stamp. If we print it in red, they gonna know we really mad because we wrote, we red ink on this. Okay, we been into that C Y A N.

• 7:30Speaker 05

  About sighing.

• 7:31Laci Mosley?

  Sighing on your ass, okay? We ain't just getting regular black ink, okay?

• 7:37Speaker 05

  We paid the extra for the color printing. I had to say the game.

• 7:40Laci Mosley?

  Okay, it's not a game. We coming for your lights. The next thing is we gonna be cutting you, okay? And what's also wild about that is this man must like just rolodex call people who are um, using this specific kind of electricity, which if you target neighborhoods, there are service providers that typically do all of the electricity for that area. So then if he's just randomly calling and telling people that their bill is late, he gonna hit eventually.

• 8:07Speaker 05

  Well, I think, so one, the guy that I talked to was the air quote manager. The person that I was talking to beforehand, it was just like a regular worker. So it was this, it was this woman on the phone and I'm talking and, and she's like, well, let me let you talk to my manager about the website. I talked to the manager and the manager was like, yeah. And he had that like, that air of like, yeah, nah, this is happening, you know, this just, this just is what it is type thing. And I'm just like, all right, but something's, something's not right. But the fact that this scam had a power structure and a hierarchy. I'm like, even in your scam, you still gotta work for somebody? Like, that's wild.

• 8:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh, come on now. You know that there are so many people these days who want to talk to the manager. I've definitely been on customer service and wanted to talk to the manager. So they had to have a manager. Otherwise, homegirl talking to you could have been like, well, the website's down. You were like, Ronald's like, let me speak to your manager.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, let me talk to anyone else.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me go get him. Arlena, what? Ronald would like to talk to you about the pay. Okay, I'm coming over. Let me put down my Stanley cup. And then they have to come over with an accent. Bonjour. This is AT&T.

• 9:16Speaker 05

  No, not the French accent.

• 9:18Laci Mosley?

  This is a good setup that they got going on. And if you think about it, if they can nail at least 50 to 100, like, people a day, and they're just calling nonstop, there are different people who are handing over check information.

• 9:30Speaker 05

  Oh, 100%. I mean, they almost got me, and I consider myself to be kind of savvy, but they almost got me. So I'm like, I know they got somebody else who was like, oh, let me just pay this real quick. Thank God y'all called. So I'm like, and you know how mad you'd be when the electric company like turns off your power and you're like, but I paid y'all? Like, what? Oh, my God. I'd be hot. Lacy, hot.

• 9:51Laci Mosley?

  I also wonder how they're telling people to make it out. Like, make it out to, uh, Ron- Ronald Jr., uh,

• 9:57Speaker 05

  They wanted me to use Zelle.

• 9:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay, now.

• 9:59Speaker 05

  That's, that would set off the alarm bell. So I'm like, no sane, normal person is asking me to use Zelle.

• 10:05Laci Mosley?

  Ain't no company uses Zelle.

• 10:08Speaker 05

  People in the audience. What'd you say? Yeah.

• 10:09Laci Mosley?

  I said, no company is using Zelle.

• 10:11Speaker 05

  Company is actually using Zelle.

• 10:14Laci Mosley?

  That's like I go to the hospital. They're like, here's your copay. Uh, yeah, it's Blue Cross Blue Shield. Can y'all just Venmo, Venmo Blue Cross? What?

• 10:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, Venmo. I'm like, yeah, cool. Wait for that Venmo. It's coming.

• 10:23Laci Mosley?

  What? And then I go on there and it's like, B L U three X Shield emoji. And I was like, that can't be Anthem Blue Cross. Like, yeah, our name was taken.

• 10:35Speaker 05

  Their other transactions. It's all these weird emojis and stuff that they're doing. You're like, what?

• 10:40Laci Mosley?

  I'm scrolling. This says heart operation. Are you?

• 10:45Speaker 05

  It's just a broken heart and a bandage.

• 10:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  And you're like, that's how you paid for your heart surgery, fam?

• 10:53Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, no. But I can see some elderly people getting got by this. I could see, you know, people who are very busy, maybe have a lot of children, you know, getting got by this because they don't want their electricity turned off if you work at home. Yeah, so I'm glad that they did not get you. Um, I love that they almost got us moment because I feel like that's very black culture. Um, like, you know, when you see people start running away and you don't ask any questions, you just start running with them. And then wherever you get, then you start asking questions like, what's going on? Everybody's like, I don't know, but they almost got us. We're like, woo, they almost did.

• 11:29Speaker 05

  And we're safe.

• 11:31Laci Mosley?

  We don't care about anything but the safety. I'm not walking in the, in the way of the danger, like, what's going on here?

• 11:36Speaker 05

  I'm certainly not gonna be the last one who chose to run. Like, that's the thing. You don't want to be the last one. Like, you want to be, you can be second to last, you don't want to be the last one because that's the one that gets caught, just in case. I'm just saying.

• 11:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's the third, yeah. Mm-mm. I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna run immediately, but once I see a good five, six people that don't look like they know each other, then I'm like, okay, let me just jog a little bit.

• 11:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. At least I do, if I've seen, and I've been in the situation where I've seen a couple of people start trotting in a direction, and I, what I'll at least do is back up and start moving in that direction, even if I'm not running, just so if I can clear out a path that I could be like, oh, if I have to sprint, I, I can, I can make this, you know what I mean? But those people are just watching the crowd go, are you serious?

• 12:21Laci Mosley?

  Listen, that's the American way. Okay, unfortunately.

• 12:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, watching, watching people suffer in danger and not moving? Yeah, that's, uh, it's truly the American way. Oh, man, this podcast got dark, I'm sorry.

• 12:33Laci Mosley?

  It did. And you know, my next question was gonna be, Ronald, what, what is it like living in DC right now? Because I have friends who live in DC and they're like, the energy is frenetic.

• 12:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, luckily, I'm not in the city limits, I'm in Alexandria. So, uh, I'm like, which is 15 minutes south of the city. So like, we haven't really seen like, nothing too, too. Too tough yet. And when I say that, I mean, like, the stuff that they're doing, because this region is so like, so many federal workers live and work in the region. Like, my mom worked for the government. My dad is a government adjacent. Like, my sister used to work for the government. I used to work for the government. At some point, everybody in this region has been like, in the government or next to the government or government contractor or something. So we're still waiting to see like what the impact of that is going to look like as they continue to fire people and like, kind of spread jobs out and do whatever they're doing. So the mood is, I would say, nervous for a lot of folks. I have a friend.

• 13:28Speaker 05

  I have my two friends, I won't say their names, but I have my two friends, one of them, who is a lawyer for one of the, one of the organizations, will say, he's like on the hot seat. They, like, his wife was telling me the other day, she said, yo, Ronald, they're putting a person in position of power, and then like, days later, that person's gone, then they replaced them. Days later, that person's gone, and they replaced them. I'm like, see, that's that. You see that happen that at a job, you normally know, yeah, okay, it's quitting time, you know?

• 13:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Once it starts to get crazy like that, like, and Elon is known for making sweeping firings and then being like, oh, I actually did not what you, knew, knew, knew what you did for a living. Can you come back? I wasn't familiar with your game. Uh, we do need, we do need lights in here, and, um, we're starting to get bugs. Yeah, come, come on back. Like, that's not good business decision making. But I was just curious, because I think of it from a scam standpoint, too, is I'm like, if that job market gets too oversaturated, we might have more creative phone calls coming in, talking about the lights gonna be cut off.

• 14:25Speaker 05

  I wouldn't be surprised. Like, luckily, I mean, I don't even answer my phone these days. Like, if I, if it's like a number and I don't know it, I'm just like, come on. Like, just, and that's the worst part about that. It's like, if there's an emergency with family or something, someone's gonna have to text me because I'm not gonna answer a phone call I don't know. But yeah, right now, you're right. Like desperate times, desperate methods.

• 14:45Laci Mosley?

  You get a text like, Rhino, your house is on fire emoji. Call back. Smoke, smoke, smoke. Nine one one.

• 14:54Speaker 05

  I have fire insurance. Send me a picture of the house, or this is a scam.

• 15:01Laci Mosley?

  You're not gonna get on the phone?

• 15:04Speaker 05

  You're not gonna get me, especially after being on this show, Lacey. Like, I'm gonna go, it's gonna, I'm gonna scam myself in the beginning. I'm gonna be unscamable, which is gonna get me scammed. Watch.

• 15:15Speaker 06

  Scams.

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• 17:19Laci Mosley?

  Well, let's get into my favorite segment here. Historic hoodwinkings. This is where I will regale Ronald with a famous con caper group of criminals. We'll get his opinions all throughout. Maybe we love this person, maybe we hate them. I'm already seeing words that I don't like, so we'll see.

• 17:32Speaker 05

  Oh, yes.

• 17:32Laci Mosley?

  Ram get a land.

• 17:33Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 17:34Laci Mosley?

  So brazen broad. I haven't heard someone called a broad in a while. Shout out to my researcher Doyle. Let's bring back, let's bring back broad. He broads.

• 17:42Speaker 05

  Let's bring back broads. Let's bring back broads.

• 17:45Laci Mosley?

  Like heifer.

• 17:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. But let's make them gender neutral so we can just, like, we're not just talking about women anymore.

• 17:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, it's gotta be everybody.

• 17:53Speaker 05

  Let's just say anybody can be a broad or a heifer.

• 17:54Laci Mosley?

  Anybody can be a broad or a heifer.

• 17:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay, great.

• 17:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So brazen broad Lisa Jeanine Findley tried to steal Graceland from Elvis Presley's family and sell it in a foreclosure auction. Now, stealing Graceland, that does not upset me.

• 18:12Speaker 05

  Why does she look like she did it, Lacey? I'm looking at this picture like, oh, yeah, she definitely did it.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  No, she looks guilty as hell in the photo. She's like, damn, y'all really got me. Her haircut, though, is giving me, like, maybe she could work in real estate in this part of the U.S. Like, you know, like, yeah, we watch Selling Sunset, but them women look like they're going to the club or, like, someone's bar mitzvah, you know, every day. But in the Midwest, or, you know.

• 18:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's selling Tulsa.

• 18:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So what even is Graceland? Graceland is the mansion and 13-acre estate in Memphis, Tennessee of Elvis Presley, famously the white inventor of rock and roll music.

• 18:57Speaker 05

  Wait, is that? Did you, did you add that part? Or is that there? You know, you almost, again, almost let that slip by. That's perfect. Okay.

• 19:11Laci Mosley?

  We are white inventor, okay? Of rock and roll music.

• 19:17Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 19:17Laci Mosley?

  If you know, you know.

• 19:18Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, just like Eminem invented rap. Continue.

• 19:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and I was so happy when Eminem did that. Before Eight Mile, rap did not exist.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 19:27Laci Mosley?

  And obviously before Elvis, there was no rock and roll.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  Correct.

• 19:30Laci Mosley?

  So, the estate is a historic landmark and Elvis is even buried there with his parents Vernon and Gladys and grandmother Minnie Mae. I don't know, I just don't want to be buried at my, I don't care how big it is, don't bury me at the crib.

• 19:45Speaker 05

  Why not?

• 19:45Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I do like to be at home. Would being buried at the crib be chill?

• 19:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, you'd be all right. You won't be there, right? Like, it's just your body.

• 19:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but if it's sold, then I'm still chilling there and then other people is playing on me.

• 19:58Speaker 05

  Oh, no, that's weird. No, yeah.

• 19:59Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 20:00Speaker 05

  Not if not.

• 20:01Laci Mosley?

  What if they install a pool and I'm nearby?

• 20:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, nah. I don't want, if I don't have, my family or my people don't have control of my body at where I'm buried, then nah, just throw me in the ocean.

• 20:14Laci Mosley?

  Just said if they install a pool, I should go swimming?

• 20:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, just, yeah, go right in there.

• 20:18Laci Mosley?

  Just like a casket just starts floating in the pool. I mean, listen, I'm trying to live it up, even if I'm dead.

• 20:23Speaker 05

  I'm getting out of the pool. I'd be, oh, this is too far for me, I gotta go.

• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  It just seemed weird to me. I just think of like how Trump like put his ex-wife on the golf course. I'm just like, and he was at one point trying to sell golf course plots, like you could buy a burial plot at the golf course, which I was just like, I don't know.

• 20:43Laci Mosley?

  So, Graceland is located on Elvis Presley Boulevard in Whitehaven neighborhood of Memphis. Whitehaven, which locals call Black Haven, was first organized in the late 1800s as a neighborhood for upper-class white families. But after integration in the 1960s, most white families left the neighborhood and the area is now predominantly black. So they said as soon as black people moved in, they had to pack up.

• 21:09Speaker 05

  Yes. White flight, let's go.

• 21:13Laci Mosley?

  We're like, where is our white king who created rock and roll?

• 21:17Speaker 05

  They said nah, now it's, now it's me. He's just Leroy, a bald, a bald black guy with a guitar, just, just, only bass though, not lead.

• 21:27Laci Mosley?

  Always. Oh, okay. Certain songs. Now, Elvis purchased Graceland in 1957 for $100,000, the same year he released the songs All Shook Up and Blue Christmas. So Elvis died in 1977, leaving Graceland to his family, and the house was open to the public as an Elvis museum in 1982. More than 650,000 people buy tickets every year.

• 21:54Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 21:54Laci Mosley?

  Tickets start at $51, and you get to see in the mansion the gold records, the jewel jumpsuit, and the classic cars. And there's some interactive exhibits as well for that 51. Graceland has stayed under the ownership of the Presley family since Elvis's death. Or maybe not, according to one lady with a post office box and a dream.

• 22:18Speaker 05

  I love this. Oh, wherever this is going.

• 22:20Laci Mosley?

  It was owned by them. But then this one woman was like, "I got a mailbox, and I got a dream."

• 22:27Speaker 05

  Which means there's no limits to what can happen next. With the US Post Office by your side. All right, let me stop.

• 22:34Laci Mosley?

  USPS, okay? So you thought. So RIP Lisa Marie. Elvis's only child and heir Lisa Marie Presley died in 2023 from complications from weight loss surgery at age 54, leaving her daughter Riley Kehoe as Graceland's sole owner. Fifteen days after Lisa Marie's death, Lisa Jeanine Findley, who is also 54, applied for a P.O. box using the name Lisa Holden. She has also used other names like Lisa Howar or Lisa Jeanine Sullins. And just to switch it up, Caroline Williams.

• 23:15Speaker 05

  You know what energy this picture is giving me? Real quick, just like, real quick. This energy is giving me, uh, I can't remember her name, but the villain in Selena.

• 23:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Yolanda Saldivar?

• 23:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, it looks like, it looks like, this picture's giving me that energy. They gonna be waiting for her when she gets out. I don't like it. Yeah, there she go.

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I'm happy they're gonna be waiting for her. Come outside, Yolanda. We definitely finna jump you.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  If you put on the Selena movie right now, I'll get fired up again.

• 23:44Laci Mosley?

  Listen. I'm always mad about it. I'm always mad about it. So, Yolanda, whenever they catch you, we gonna have to catch you. You know that.

• 23:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, we coming.

• 23:52Laci Mosley?

  I'm from Texas.

• 23:53Speaker 05

  The black community.

• 23:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. The black community does not play about Selena. They don't play about, um, Steve Irwin's children.

• 24:01Speaker 05

  Nah, those are ours.

• 24:02Laci Mosley?

  Don't play about them. Those are ours too.

• 24:04Speaker 05

  Those are ours. I saw one of them playing with some animals. I didn't like that, though. I was like, I don't want you following your father's footsteps. Do something else.

• 24:11Laci Mosley?

  See, I want them to be happy. Bendy Irwin and them.

• 24:13Speaker 05

  But like, don't put, you saw, like, I don't know if you saw, there was a video caught around of one of them messing with a, uh, but thirty years, I'm sorry, I just, thirty years is a long time for anyone to serve. But no, I, I saw one of them messing with a crocodile or something. I'm just like, look, like father, like son, but I, I want you to, I want you to live. And he wants you to live, so like, just be careful. That's all I'm saying.

• 24:33Laci Mosley?

  That's all we saying. Yeah, Yolanda, thirty years is not enough. We still mad. So, we just looked at bootleg Yolanda Saldivar over here,

• 24:41Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 24:41Laci Mosley?

  who has registered a P O. box under the name Lisa Holden. And she's used other pseudonyms like Lisa Howard, Lisa Jeanine Sellers. Those I understand because it's like, at the end of the day, people are gonna call you by your first name. So, if you're using a fake name, your first name should be either something you can remember very well or your real name. That way,

• 25:01Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 25:01Laci Mosley?

  if somebody's like, Lisa, you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's me, that's me. But if I switch it up to Carolyn at the end, they're like, Carolyn, Carolyn. I'm like, oh, yeah, right, that's me as well. Okay, me, Carolyn.

• 25:12Laci Mosley?

  So, six months later, Lisa Jeanine, and this is Carolyn, you know, all the other Lisas, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa. So, I'm just gonna say Lisa, Lisa, Lisa when it's, we're talking about the scammer. So, six months later, Lisa Lisa created a false creditors' claim and mailed it to Riley's attorneys from the P O. box. Lisa Jeanine claimed to be someone named Kurt Nosine. Okay, that's another name we're adding, Lisa Lisa. So, Lisa Lisa sent this mail through Lisa Lisa's P O. box that she made under somebody else's fake name.

• 25:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm tracking so far.

• 25:47Laci Mosley?

  Six months later, Lisa, Lisa Lisa, created a false creditors claim and mailed it to Riley's attorneys. From the P O box, Lisa Jeanine claimed to be someone else's named Kurt Nosine. Now Kurt Nosine is supposed to be the chief lending officer for a fictitious company called Nosine Investments. This is all Lisa talking, but she's talking as Kurt right now.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 26:10Laci Mosley?

  Kurt, AKA Lisa, said Lisa Marie Presley had taken a loan for almost four million dollars from the Nosine Investment Group before her death and had put up the deed to Graceland as collateral. So for those of you who are trying to follow, because there's too many damn Lisas in this.

• 26:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:31Laci Mosley?

  We got scammer Lisa.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:33Laci Mosley?

  She got a P O box in a legitimate place that looks like it could be near Graceland.

• 26:39Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:39Laci Mosley?

  Then scammer Lisa makes up a fake name for a fake investment company Kurt Nosine.

• 26:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  Then scammer Lisa.

• 26:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:48Laci Mosley?

  Now acts as Kurt to send a letter to Lisa Marie Presley, real Lisa Elvis Presley, saying that before Lisa Marie Presley died, she had taken away out four million dollars.

• 27:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 27:04Laci Mosley?

  In an investment loan from fake Kurt, AKA fake Lisa.

• 27:09Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 27:10Laci Mosley?

  Are we there?

• 27:11Speaker 05

  I get it. And then, and now she's, but she's saying that the collateral was Graceland as the estate.

• 27:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 27:17Speaker 05

  I see what's happening here.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  Saying, I didn't get the money back, me, Mr. Kurt, and the Graceland house was collateral. So now it's my house.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 27:26Laci Mosley?

  Lisa Marie had defaulted on the loan from Kurt and was going to foreclose on the property if Riley's attorney didn't respond within 10 days. So basically now fake Lisa is telling real Lisa, hey, girl, either file foreclosure, give me my coins back, or I'm gonna take your home.

• 27:48Speaker 05

  Wait, fake Lisa's telling that to Riley?

• 27:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes. She's selling it to real Lisa's estate because real Lisa is dead.

• 27:55Speaker 05

  Yes, got it. Yes.

• 27:56Laci Mosley?

  God, there were so many Lisas.

• 27:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, too many.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  I'm just gonna call Lisa Kurt from now on. Y'all just remember that.

• 28:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, we call her Fleeza, cuz she's trying to flee somebody.

• 28:04Laci Mosley?

  Let's call her Fleeza, cuz this is killing me. I'm so sorry if y'all have a headache, cuz Fleeza over here doing too much.

• 28:11Laci Mosley?

  So days later. Real Lisa Marie's business manager received a package with a similar document. Later in 2023, Lisa Jeanine applied for another P O. Box and mailed documents to the Shelby County Registrar, sent from a new LLC, which basically what she did is she has these P O. Boxes. She's using all these fake names, contacting the actual estate of now dead Lisa Marie Presley, saying that Lisa Marie Presley, when she was living, owed money to them and she had used her house for collateral. So now Fleece is reaching out to all the estates and all the people that deal with real Lisa Marie, who is dead.

• 28:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:55Laci Mosley?

  Saying like, okay, y'all gotta run me my coins or y'all gotta run me the house.

• 28:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:59Laci Mosley?

  All right, so maybe this is why this was working a little bit because they got me confused. I'm like, okay, well, we do have to figure out the estate.

• 29:07Speaker 05

  Let me dub it the account real quick if that's the case.

• 29:10Laci Mosley?

  Doing too much.

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• 31:15Laci Mosley?

  So in May of 2024, a notice of foreclosure appeared in a Memphis daily newspaper. The public auction was scheduled for Thursday, May 23rd, at the Shelby County Courthouse in Memphis. So foreclosure is very easy to do in Tennessee, like weirdly.

• 31:33Speaker 05

  Really?

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  They just be stealing people's homes.

• 31:35Speaker 05

  Wait, how does it like, what, what makes it easier in Tennessee than anywhere else?

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  The process of a forced sale property due to the non-payment of a loan is just easier to facilitate. So like the lender will sell the property to recover the loss of the funds due to the owner not paying the balance of the loan, which is what a foreclosure is. But Tennessee is a deed of trust state, meaning that in the event that someone like defaults on a loan, the lender is required to publicly notice a public sale of the property. And it's like a non-judicial sale, so the judge doesn't even have to get involved. And it can be done without going through any court. So you don't have to get a judge involved, you don't have to go to court. Like you can just like, they didn't pay me back and I want their home yesterday.

• 32:22Speaker 05

  That it seems like there should be some, there should at least be some obstacles to making this happen. Like something should have to be proven or I need a receipt or something before it's just like, yeah, yeah, no, just go ahead and get that house. Go get that house real quick.

• 32:36Laci Mosley?

  Do you have any property, Ronald, in Memphis? Cause I feel like you owe me some money and I might have to go down there.

• 32:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, incidentally, I own this little place. It's called Graceland. You should, uh.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  Cause no one told you doing scam goddess podcast is you investing with us? Cause you're, we're gonna, I'm gonna need to recoup those losses. I'm gonna need your home.

• 32:55Speaker 05

  Not the tacit agreement of being, being on the podcast means I owe you money.

• 33:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, four million to be exact.

• 33:02Speaker 05

  That would be an incredible scam. If scam.

• 33:04Laci Mosley?

  Did you read the contract you signed?

• 33:06Speaker 05

  What contract? No one sent me anything.

• 33:09Laci Mosley?

  Jesse, I was sending the contract before we started. Now y'all messing up.

• 33:16Laci Mosley?

  You definitely owe me lots of money.

• 33:18Speaker 05

  What a, what a great way to scam. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm a couple that joined this podcast. I was like, not you owe me money. Thanks. Thanks for the money you owe me.

• 33:26Laci Mosley?

  Nobody ever reads those NDAs or those like waivers. They don't really read them. So I could have thrown in an investment in there. You wouldn't have known. And we would have had a witness to you signing it.

• 33:37Speaker 05

  You just owe it now. Like luckily you're gonna take all my debt too. So please enjoy.

• 33:42Laci Mosley?

  That's actually left out in the contract. Like you, you keep that.

• 33:45Speaker 05

  So you want all of my assets and none of my debt?

• 33:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes.

• 33:49Speaker 05

  That's incredible. That's an incredible contract.

• 33:51Laci Mosley?

  I learned this in Tennessee. It's, it's working really great for me. So as long as lender issues a notice advertising the public sale for three consecutive weeks in a newspaper of local circulation.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 34:05Laci Mosley?

  The foreclosure, the foreclosure sale can now only be stopped by a lawsuit filed by the original family. And remember that Lisa Marie Persley has a daughter Riley Kehoe.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:17Laci Mosley?

  So she's the only person who can stop the sale and they only have to advertise the sale and it says in like local circulation. So if they are going into the Memphis Penny Saver and being like Elvis house on sale, unless like a national publication picks it up. If you weren't worried about someone trying to take your house from you, you may not even have known.

• 34:40Speaker 05

  No. And what if they're making up the newspaper? That's a local newspaper. Like what if they're making it like an elementary school newsletter or something?

• 34:46Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 34:47Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? Where it's just like, yep, it was in the paper. It was there three, it was there for three weeks.

• 34:50Laci Mosley?

  Middle, right next to the bake sale.

• 34:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. You didn't see it?

• 34:53Laci Mosley?

  Everybody knew.

• 34:54Speaker 05

  We didn't have that many. We ran out of copies.

• 34:59Laci Mosley?

  Everybody knew the head of the journalism program at Memphis Middle.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  We give them to every kid to take home to their parents. It's really the kids' fault, honestly.

• 35:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we told them, put them in your backpack.

• 35:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:11Laci Mosley?

  And from there, what are we supposed to do?

• 35:15Speaker 05

  That's not us. Like, they gotta get it done.

• 35:17Laci Mosley?

  So, obviously, Lisa Marie Presley's estate is going to file a lawsuit. In a 60-page lawsuit, Lisa Marie's daughter Riley condemned the foreclosure sale as fraud. The purported note and deed of trust are products of fraud, and those individuals were involved in the creation of such documents and are believed to be guilty of the crime of forgery. So, Fleeza made up all them different names. Fleeza was emailing everybody, or not emailing, but she was messaging. I don't know how to say send mail anymore.

• 35:51Speaker 05

  Mailing?

• 35:57Laci Mosley?

  Sorry, that one moment where I was trying to clarify what was going on really took my brain out. And I was like, she was texting through the mail.

• 36:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, she was physical inboxing, like physical inboxing, you know, like 3D inboxing. I think that's what we call it.

• 36:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, 3D printing.

• 36:13Speaker 05

  That's how you know language has moved beyond the post office. If now we're like, how do you physically give something to someone? It'd just be like, yeah, you send it via Amazon. Be like, yeah, you send it via Amazon. That's how you send something to someone.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  Right, that's not it. The mail, right. I'm gonna put some respect on the USPS, okay? I'm so sorry, because I really am not familiar with your game anymore.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  With your game, yes.

• 36:37Laci Mosley?

  So, the lawsuit also included documentation of the alleged loan to her late mother, as well as the deed of trust. Riley's legal counsel claimed that Presley's signature was forged on those documents and that the notary who supposedly witnessed Presley sign the deed had actually never met her. So the notary was like, I don't know her, never met her.

• 36:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it makes sense. Like, and they have a ledger too, like in their notary, they like, like notaries have to keep a ledger that they fill out when a person like does it. And so I imagine that wasn't in the ledger, which is probably something that stopped Fleece that Fleece didn't think about in terms of creating the scam.

• 37:15Laci Mosley?

  I also think Fleece was just hoping to move fast and do the local newspapers. Three weeks' time, she's got the house. And the only issue with that is that people in Memphis are obsessed with Elvis. So that was going like, like you still see him on magazine rags to this day, like the real truth behind Elvis's death, or was Elvis gay, or whatever the case may be. That still happens, just like JonBenet Ramsey. So, and Princess Diana. So it's like, they don't let these people rest. You really thought that you were gonna put this in any paper?

• 37:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. Anybody that's like, like Prince, Tupac, like anybody that people were obsessed with and feel like are gone too soon, you can start a rumor about right now. And people are gonna be paying attention to things that happened to them, their estate, all of them, just randomly, that Prince documentary that basically just got canceled because Princess Estate didn't like.

• 38:07Laci Mosley?

  It was like, no.

• 38:08Speaker 05

  They're like, nah, you're not gonna be releasing this stuff out there. And I'm like, that's a good estate. Because that's not what happened with Michael Jackson's estate when that documentary came out after he died.

• 38:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that estate was a hot mess. But it's like another good estate I always think of is like Al Green's estate. Like you better not put four notes together that sound like any Al Green song. You are going to cut.

• 38:28Speaker 05

  We're already looking at you like now, like Whitney Houston has a pretty good estate too. I don't feel like you see her stuff all flying all around everywhere.

• 38:35Laci Mosley?

  That hologram stuff was bizarre.

• 38:37Speaker 05

  Okay, I didn't like that, no. But then, I mean, yeah, Tupac. So, so are we establishing that if your estate allows a hologram to happen, you have a bad estate because Tupac had a hologram to you? I agree. I agree.

• 38:47Laci Mosley?

  Let me rest.

• 38:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. If we pass, y'all out here making digital AI voices of Lacey and Ronald, all that, like nah, we got bad estates, but like nah.

• 38:55Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna see my late, you know, family members dancing at Coachella. That feels wrong. It feels bad and wrong.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  Not at all, nah.

• 39:02Laci Mosley?

  But you're right, like this estate, they were on their. Ps and Qs about this. So they're claiming that Fleece had made all these fake, you know, signatures and that none of this was real. At the time, the Office of Public Affairs claimed that Fleece posed as three different individuals, which we know she did. Fleece made me so tired. It was so many people. And all of these individuals were allegedly affiliated with the fictitious private lender, which is also fake. Elvis's wife, Priscilla Presley, is still alive and posted a response to the foreclosure sale on Instagram. I know that's right. She got on Instagram and was, "It's a scam."

• 39:41Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  And you know what? Like, shame on Fleece for making Priscilla have to do that. Like, could you imagine like Priscilla who's like been through this like life and lost a lot of people that she's loved, like big public figures? And now you got me having to like come out on social media to tell y'all Bamas that of course this thing is not for us. Stop it. Like, why are you making me do this?

• 40:08Laci Mosley?

  Right. And why are you making me make graphics? It's like this thing has a like,

• 40:16Laci Mosley?

  it's in all red, just like the electric bill. Like she's like,

• 40:21Speaker 05

  Yes, there's the stamp. There's a stamp there.

• 40:24Laci Mosley?

  She stamped.

• 40:25Speaker 05

  Pay your bill as a stamp.

• 40:27Laci Mosley?

  And that's how I know she is the one who did it. Like this ain't the PR team. She was like, "Let me get on this." It looks like it might be a video.

• 40:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it is.

• 40:35Laci Mosley?

  But she put the T out there. I don't know if we can click it. Oh yes, the video. Wait, not the video. It's just like,

• 40:42Speaker 05

  Oh no, it's got an animation.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  She did this in, she did this in Microsoft Word. That's word art. That's word art.

• 40:53Laci Mosley?

  It also has this Ken Burns pushing happening to this photo. And then the writing does a little flip.

• 41:01Speaker 05

  Yeah. The only thing that would make this better is if it did the Ken Burns push in and then the house turned black and white and then the font did a flip. Like not me editing.

• 41:11Laci Mosley?

  We asked too much of our older, our older lady. That's a little too much.

• 41:16Speaker 05

  She could have done it. Priscilla, if you out here doing this, just go ahead and add that one little extra flourish. That's all we ask.

• 41:22Laci Mosley?

  That really would have drove it home, but, but you tried, you tried to get it out there. But that's hilarious. So Memphis Judge Chancellor Joe Day Jenkins ruled that the foreclosure auction could not proceed. I knew he was gonna be black when I saw Joe Day.

• 41:36Speaker 05

  He was, that's not happening.

• 41:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, you said Joe Day Jenkins, like, he's either gonna be very white or very black.

• 41:44Laci Mosley?

  No in between.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  No in between, no in between.

• 41:48Laci Mosley?

  So there's a chance that a Nigerian prince or multiple princes could be involved? It's difficult to find any public records that prove that Nocini Investments ever existed. Phone numbers listed in court documents for the company are not in service. Addresses listed by the company are those of post offices. Remember she was doing this through that P O. Box? She thought she was so slick with that.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, Pony Express.

• 42:13Laci Mosley?

  Like, don't get us involved. Now, we say, y'all know I beat that over y'all head. Don't do crime through mail, okay? They love to get you on some mail fraud.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  Easy paper trail and you're going to FBI jail. You're going to federal prison for that. Sheesh.

• 42:28Laci Mosley?

  And you're making it too easy on them. I don't know, hand deliver them, do some.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  Do like, just hand it to them. I don't know, email it.

• 42:36Laci Mosley?

  Email's worse too than IP addresses. I'm like, you gotta physically do crime these days. Go drive to where they are, put it in their mail slot with a ski mask on, walk away.

• 42:46Speaker 05

  No, they'll catch you on the cameras. Here's what you gotta do. All right, you gotta take it and then you gotta get a friend to come pick it up. And then you have to get them to hand it to another friend who then puts it into a drop box. I'm describing drugs now. Put it into a drop box and then a person can go pick up their item from there. That's like three people removed from you. It's hard to trace that back. You gotta get a bunch of people to snitch in that case.

• 43:11Laci Mosley?

  Especially if you can get a random person to do the final handoff.

• 43:14Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 43:15Laci Mosley?

  And you don't give them your real name.

• 43:17Speaker 05

  No, you get like somebody off of Craigslist or somebody, hey, come pick this up and drop it off. It's twenty dollars.

• 43:22Laci Mosley?

  And you know what? If you really want to add some sass on, you go up to the melon thing in a very low hat and, and a mask. And you come on crutches. And so then you just get a random person, you like, hey, I'm on crutches. Would you mind like sliding this in for me? And then you crunch away real fast.

• 43:42Speaker 05

  Yep, yep, yep. Almost like you're regular walking, but it's on crutches.

• 43:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they notice that you're not actually on crutches.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  Are you good? Be like, yeah, nah, I broke my ACL or CR.

• 43:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, my, my thyroid bone is bad.

• 43:57Speaker 05

  Thyroid bone, yeah, that thyroid bone just.

• 44:01Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much, Good Samaritan.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I appreciate that.

• 44:04Laci Mosley?

  And then I'd start running with the crutches.

• 44:07Speaker 05

  You're just holding them up while you're running.

• 44:10Laci Mosley?

  Too late. They've already put it in the box. Okay, we can't go back. It's good.

• 44:14Speaker 05

  It's your crime now, not mine. You've inherited it.

• 44:16Laci Mosley?

  So these Nigerian princes, basically after the auction was publicized, media outlets, including the New York Times, sent requests for comment to the email addresses listed and Nastini investment documents filed by, like with the Shelby Court. In response, they got an email written in Luganda, a Bantu language spoken in Uganda. The, the author claimed to be a Nigerian scammer, taking credit for the forged documents and attempted sale.

• 44:43Speaker 05

  Fleeza.

• 44:44Laci Mosley?

  Now, why, why would you, okay, why do you have to come out and call yourself a Nigerian scammer? There's already such a stigma there. Oh, my Nigeria, you didn't even have to get these people any information.

• 44:53Speaker 05

  No. The other thing is like, like you tell me after all this work, you're gonna be like a black guy did it? Like, come on, man. Like, why, why you always gotta, we just over here chilling, trying to dance, hanging out. Like, it's, it's seasoning our chicken well, and you over here throwing it on us? Like, what did we do?

• 45:10Laci Mosley?

  Like, they had already figured out the case. They caught Fleeza, and they were like, wait, but what if a black guy did it?

• 45:18Speaker 05

  Turns out it was this black guy. Like, come on, man, no, stop.

• 45:23Laci Mosley?

  And that's why they didn't invent rock and roll. They were too busy running scams.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  Too busy running these scams, trying to steal Graceland from us, the true adventures of rock and roll.

• 45:35Laci Mosley?

  So the writer described the Nigerian scammer. He described the foreclosure effort not as a legitimate attempt to collect on debt, but as a scam, duh. The person who wrote the email said that they steal the identities of deceased people, especially in California and Florida. And they said in quotes, "I had fun figuring this one out and it didn't succeed very well." Why do you want to be caught? Why are you telling people? He's like, "I do this all the time. California, Florida, Memphis."

• 46:02Speaker 05

  I don't know why you remind, talking about that immediately reminded me of the monopoly, uh, the monopoly scam.

• 46:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 05

  So, you know, I'm talking about the McDonald monopoly.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  Jerome Jenkins, yeah.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, where I'm just like, wait, what? Like, why are y'all? And again, fraud through the mail. It's like, don't do this through the mail. This is the wrong thing to do. Like, don't do this.

• 46:21Laci Mosley?

  And he wrote that too many people, it was too many people who could snitch. There was a family of Mormons, the mob was involved. Like, he did too much. He did way too much. A nice little black church lady.

• 46:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:32Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I would be more on his side if the people that he gave the winning, uh, tickets to got to receive some of the money. He was also stealing that from them. And once the mob got involved, it was like people had just risked their freedom for no coin because he was taking it all.

• 46:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:48Laci Mosley?

  They were just like peace mules. So I was like, this is messed up. And also Jerome Jenkins, white. I thought he was black the whole time.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  Very white or very black?

• 46:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. And we just saw that in that case in point, very white or very black?

• 47:03Speaker 05

  Like, that is a very white man.

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  I just don't understand why he's continuing to tell people that he does crime. Like, just let it go.

• 47:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:13Laci Mosley?

  So, the Bantu language used in the two emails to the Times, the New York Times, was like clunky in spots, according to the translator who reviewed the email. While the English of the court document company has been pretty fluent. So it almost feels like this person ran English through a Ugandan translator, as many scammers do in English. And so it was chunky and probably riddled with typos. Now Flesa was arrested for the scheme in August last year and charged with identity theft and male fraud. I'm kind of wondering if Flesa was like, let me say these Nigerians did it. And I'mma run it through this, uh, Google Translate and then this will get me off the hook. Cause I'll be like, the black people did it.

• 47:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. It's also funny that it's like the, the person who solved the case was like, it's almost just like they were fluent in English. It just ran it through Google Translate. And then they like pointedly look at the detective like, yeah, I can't say that definitively, but. And the detective's like, what are you saying? What, what do you mean? What could, who could this have been?

• 48:12Laci Mosley?

  It's Flesa, damn it.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's Flesa.

• 48:15Laci Mosley?

  Flesa was doing one Hail Mary. She was like, let me blame this on the Nigerians and then be like, I'm just a white woman. Being white and living right. That's all I do.

• 48:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. And these Nigerians, like, why'd you say? What you mean, Garian? Why'd you say it like that? We don't like that. Stop it. You're getting too close.

• 48:36Laci Mosley?

  Shady Nigerians.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  Be shady Nigerian, like, hold up. What was that? Flesa, say it again.

• 48:42Laci Mosley?

  Tried to frame me.

• 48:44Speaker 05

  But she added an extra G in Nigerian.

• 48:47Laci Mosley?

  Right. Did you say it with a hard G?

• 48:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, you said it with a hard G. I don't like that. Yeah.

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  So on February 25th, Flesa pled guilty to federal charges accusing her of plotting to defraud Elvis's family. She's said to be sentenced on June 18th. And if convicted, Flesa could face up to 20 years in prison, but under the plea deal, she'll likely like face less time. You gotta plead out, girl, cause you didn't, you said too much.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. Wait, she could face up to life, you said?

• 49:14Laci Mosley?

  20 years, but she's gonna plead out.

• 49:17Speaker 05

  That's too long. Like, I, I feel like this is, this is a year max. Like, this isn't, I don't care that much about this and this person isn't dangerous.

• 49:24Laci Mosley?

  I mean, technically it's kind of complicated though. I don't know if a year I would come out and be like, yeah, I'll stop doing real estate fraud. But maybe like fit five to eight, then I would, you know, want to be a good person.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  I mean, could we like three, three years you wouldn't want to be a good person?

• 49:40Laci Mosley?

  Hmm, it's federal prison. Is it nice in there?

• 49:43Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  Like, am I talking about the Stewart?

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, nah, nah, she was, and she was in light, she was in, uh, old light, minimum security, uh, federal prison. Like, this person's not going to no minimum security prison.

• 49:57Laci Mosley?

  You don't think?

• 49:58Speaker 05

  You think so?

• 49:59Laci Mosley?

  I mean, she didn't do a violent crime, and she didn't get away with it.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  All I know is Martha Stewart came out and throve.

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  She did.

• 50:07Speaker 05

  Which, so-

• 50:08Laci Mosley?

  But this lady, she looked like she about to be in one of them, "Orange is the New Black" type situations.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  Or she's about to murder a pop singer, I'm telling you. Very strong Yolanda energy here.

• 50:17Laci Mosley?

  She really does have a lot of Yolanda, South, uh, Southie Bar energy. It's like her eyes are vacant.

• 50:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:23Laci Mosley?

  Like, she doesn't look like she cares about whether people live or die. That's not my fault.

• 50:28Speaker 05

  One thing, though, is that you threw some glasses on her, and like a chunky necklace, maybe some makeup and a dress. You're right, she is selling real estate in Tulsa, easily, like tomorrow.

• 50:39Laci Mosley?

  Oh, a chunky necklace would really sell it.

• 50:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  And you're right, glasses, so you can't see the evil in her eyes, you know what I mean?

• 50:45Speaker 05

  All of a sudden, you're like, "Oh, I like your glasses. Fleeza, you look great."

• 50:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, she's like, "Oh, thanks, my grandchildren got them for me for Christmas." Now, more on selling this floor culture.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Here you go again. You got no grandchildren, Fleeza.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  Fleeza has to come up with a life where she doesn't seem as bad. But this is a trend that is starting to happen now. Faking property ownership to make a quick buck is illegal, like, but it's happening more and more in real estate. Scammers who hijack property ownership are called title pirates. And it's easy to do it because real estate transactions shift to digital platforms, right? So vacant land, second homes, rental properties, or any home where the owner isn't actively present and has been the prime target for the pirates. Like, so as soon as they realize, like, you have a vacant home, a rental home, perhaps someone has passed away, they know that no one's physically present, that's when the scammers strike.

• 51:40Laci Mosley?

  Scammers get information from public records, fake some signatures, pay off a sketchy notary. See, I guess that notary that, uh, Fleeza had was not sketchy enough.

• 51:49Speaker 05

  No.

• 51:51Laci Mosley?

  They were like, I don't want to be involved.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  Involved. You can't have them like not know that they're supposed to be covering for you.

• 51:56Laci Mosley?

  They gotta get it cut.

• 51:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And so you do all of that and boom, they've bought your house or your land on paper. Unfortunately, once that fake deed gets filed, it can appear like the real estate deal is legitimate to banks. Title officers, buyers and real estate agents the like will all believe it once the title is or once the deed gets filed. So then it makes it harder to be like, this is my house. Cause we're like, we're looking at this deed and we got um this notary. Fleeza, Fleeza says she notified that she was there when you signed this. Um, so in 2023, the FBI received about nine hundred thousand complaints of real estate related crime and of these more than ninety five hundred were title fraud.

• 52:40Laci Mosley?

  Selling a property you don't own, even in a national landmark may be a growing trend, but it's not a good idea and it's not a new idea. Title pirates like Fleeza, following the historic footsteps of George C. Parker, a nineteen hundreds era con man who repeatedly sell New York landmarks like the Brooklyn Bridge, Madison Square Garden, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Grant's Tomb, and he also sold the Statue of Liberty.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  All right. I just want to note, he sold no black landmarks. So as far as I'm concerned, he can go with God. Like continue to to enact these scams. Cause if you're buying the Brooklyn Bridge, like you have to know this guy does not own it. There's come on, man. Who buy the Brooklyn Bridge, Lacey? Who buy, who buying the Brooklyn Bridge?

• 53:26Laci Mosley?

  It's something about your personality. If you want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge, that you are the more suspect person in this situation.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Money are soon partaken. That means you got too much money and you definitely not watching it. If you're like, if you thought the Brooklyn Bridge was available for sale, like.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  And you were just gonna go to parties and brag about it?

• 53:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:44Laci Mosley?

  I own the Brooklyn Bridge. No, you don't.

• 53:46Speaker 05

  No, you don't, Rod. Stop. No, Jerome Jenkins. Stop.

• 53:53Laci Mosley?

  They can't stop, they won't stop. Y'all watch out for your deeds and your home. And if someone passes away in the family, get the families in order quickly because there's people waiting around looking at public records just trying to figure out. They were looking through phone records to figure out who they could call and be like, hey, you need to pay your bill right now via Zelle. Otherwise, we turning off your lights.

• 54:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, like they were like, and, and, and, okay. First of all, I just want to point out something about this picture. Just like Lisa, this man looks like a man who's like, step right up, say Brooklyn Bridge here for sale. I've got another one for you. Hey, like he, he looks very much like that guy. So I can see him doing that. But yeah, the second thing is like, I'm, I'm almost looking at the people doing this and it, it's hard for me, especially if they're selling public properties, where it's just like, hey, if you think the Brooklyn Bridge was for sale, you're an idiot. Like that, there's no way in the world that should be something that you're thinking is happening. But private property, that's where I start to get like, now, hold up, man. Like now you taking people's like homes and like that, you're just straight stealing from like one of us. Like, you know what I mean? I don't like that. That feels like totally different.

• 54:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, one is definitely goofier.

• 54:59Speaker 05

  Yes, exactly.

• 55:00Laci Mosley?

  Step right up, buy the Statue of Liberty. She's all yours, boys.

• 55:04Speaker 05

  Yes, that feels fun, like a fun scam. Like if I found out, like even if it was my second home, I don't care. If I found out somebody like snatched it out from under me, maybe I'm trying to will it to my kids or build generational wealth or something like that. Lacey, we ride at dawn. Like we going to get these guys. Are you kidding? Where they at? No, we don't need the cops. We don't need the cops.

• 55:23Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no. We, we'll, we'll handle this. We'll vigilante this one.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  We don't need the cops.

• 55:28Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we just need some pitchforks. Somebody want those rolling hot dog, hot dog carts so we can stay full and replenished while we're marching. And yeah, we got it. No, I absolutely agree. But people are doing this. You have to pay very attention, like a lot of attention to your titles. And also look out for your grandparents. Look out for anybody who owns property that, you know, may not own it any longer. Cause.

• 55:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, now's the time. Sheesh. The other part is like now I'm also thinking, and I don't, again, I don't mean to make this a dark podcast, but I'm like thinking in like a time where things are worse than ever before and like they're revoking green cards and, you know, like disappearing people and whatnot. I just don't put it past nobody to like to start snatching property because this happened to black folks all the time. Like back in like, like pre civil rights era, like, oh, I own this house. No, you don't. Like, we own this house now. You know what I mean? Like, get on out of here. Like, or, you thought you were in a neighborhood and they're running you out of the neighborhood and not giving you your money back and selling the house again to a nice white family like. The roots of this, I'm sorry, Lacey. Like I said, I know this is a comedy podcast, but I'm like, I don't want this happening

• 56:32Speaker 05

  right now in, in Trump's America. Like, I'm, let's get him. We ride it, Don. Let's go get him.

• 56:38Laci Mosley?

  We might, we might have to put the alarm clock on for Don. Uh, not a specific time, just Don. Yeah, because this is something that's running way more rampant than it was before, but the thing about scammers is they're always reinventing themselves. Like anytime something new changes, like even with AI, anytime we see any investments in technology, you're going to see the exact same scammers latch on to that advancement and find a little window where they can crawl in and steal. And they do it.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  Yes. Exploit, steal, blackmail, extort, any way they can do it, especially if you, if you upgrade the tools, the scammers are coming. Like, when we start, when we went from, uh, phone calls to text, they came to text. You know what I mean? So I'm like, you just mentioned AI. I'm like, oh yeah, of course they're gonna be start scamming via AI.

• 57:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Because now in your texts, they're like, click this link. We're from your company. Or your emails are like sending you a PayPal invoice and then they're like, if this is not you, call and give us all of your information so it can be you.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  Lacey, Lacey, the other thing is too, is like now it's like they're, they're spoofing the phone calls now. They can spoof the voices now. So it's like, man, like you, stay vigilant out there, y'all.

• 57:50Laci Mosley?

  That's why I always say y'all, say it again, make sure that you don't have any familial connections on any of your pages. And nobody need to know who your grandmother is on Facebook.

• 57:57Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 57:58Laci Mosley?

  Or your cousins.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 57:59Laci Mosley?

  Nobody needs to know that information on Instagram. They don't need to know anywhere. Because a lot of times people are using that. And now they got multiple levels of the scam. We recently did a scam where this woman thought she was dating Brad Pitt. But it started with Brad Pitt's mom, a fake account, DMing her saying, I think you'd be lovely for my son. And then fake Brad Pitt came in afterwards and was like, hey, my mom just told me about you. And just like in your phone scam or your electricity scam in the beginning, like you talked to a woman and then you asked for a manager and they had a manager scammer right there.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, ready to go. Yeah, yeah. I think it's, I, I think it's also like when there's such inequity. And again, I'm getting real, I'm getting real Ken Burns, not giving it a reality now, but like there's, there's such inequity in this country. Like that's what breeds these types of scams where it's like people trying to get what they can off of people that they think are big fish. Like especially when it comes to the Americans. But it's like even those of us that are getting scammed, because like that are down here, like at the middle, middle class or lower class. We're the ones still getting those phone calls and giving you what little we have because we think we're in danger. And there's like maybe somebody on the other side of that phone that's like, haha, I got them. And I'm like, no, you just created more inequity actually about the person who probably needed that money. You know what I mean?

• 59:17Speaker 05

  So it's like.

• 59:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 59:19Laci Mosley?

  And I always punch, we like to punch up here. I'm like, if you want to rob some CEO billionaire who, you know, stole a bunch of money and ruined a bunch of people's lives, like, yeah, go ahead and run his pockets. But if it's people, like you said, like day to day, we're just trying to make it by. Um, I don't see those as people that should be targets. And I think you should feel really gross about yourself if that's what you're doing. I will say trying to steal Elvis Presley house, that don't upset me that much.

• 59:43Speaker 05

  Do it. Do what you gotta do. Like, I'm glad, I'm glad Priscilla stopped it, all that. Like, I appreciate that. But again, between stealing Elvis Presley house and all like, step right up, say, that guy.

• 59:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:54Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, no, that's fine. Do that all day. I don't, I don't care about you. If people are willing to buy, to purchase. The Brooklyn Bridge from you and you come up off that, bro, go for it. Roll that money into IRA and you know what I mean? Go buy a diamond mine and I don't know, buy the country, man, go for it.

• 1:00:10Laci Mosley?

  How do you confirm? Once you give them the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge, like, do you have to come with a plaque? And I'm like, why are you hammering that on? Oh, so people know it's yours. I'm just hammering this on so people know it's yours.

• 1:00:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then you leave town immediately.

• 1:00:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, well, thank you so much, Ronald, for being here. This was a lovely time and thank you for helping me break down what got very convoluted with Lisa for a moment. We got there. I was like, oh, my God, a headache is coming. Thank you for staying strong. Okay, I know you have a great education. I can tell you were a voracious reader.

• 1:00:45Speaker 05

  This was a lot of fun.

• 1:00:47Laci Mosley?

  So much fun.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:00:50Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for being here. We always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to promote, you know, any socia's, all of that?

• 1:00:58Speaker 05

  Find me on Instagram and threads at O H I T S B I G R O N. That's Oh, It's Big Ron. You could find me there. And honestly, you could also find me on Blue Sky and on that other platform that we don't really go on anymore. That has, that used to be called Twitter, but it's called something else now.

• 1:01:15Laci Mosley?

  I call it what mama called it.

• 1:01:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's Twitter. Yeah, exactly. But you find me on all the platforms, at Oh, It's Big Ron. And of course, you could follow any of my, any of my podcasts, Pop Culture Debate Club, Leaving the Theater. Wait for it, wherever you listen to podcasts, even where you're listening to this one right now.

• 1:01:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I love that. And as always, y'all, D I V A L A C I D, Valacy on all platforms. If you want to see the photos from today, Scam Goddess Pod, just maybe sage your screening device so that Lisa doesn't jump in and steal your soul, because that's a possibility, okay?

• 1:01:48Speaker 05

  She'll try to sell your soul.

• 1:01:49Laci Mosley?

  Literally. If you want to write in and stitch on your friends, family and your enemies, [email protected]. And Scam Goddess, the television show, is out now on Hulu and Going Dutch, the show I do with Dennis Leary on Fox, is also out on Hulu and airs on Thursdays on Fox. Woo, oh, yeah, my book. You can buy Scam Goddess anywhere. And thank you, guys, for your support. All right, that was a lot to plug. I can't breathe no more.

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  So congregation, I want you to get out there and stay, stay fleecing. Stay fleecing. Fleecing up, not down.

• 1:02:34Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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