Secrets, Scandals, and Space Invaders: What Trump, Epstein & an Alien Comet Have in Common | The Tom Bilyeu Show

Welcome back to Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu! In this episode, Tom and co-host Drew dive headfirst into a whirlwind of today’s most polarizing headlines and cultural debates. Get ready for a high-energy line-up that tackles everything from the baffling Epstein files controversy and Trump’s surprising Nobel Peace Prize nomination, to Supreme Court updates that could reshape the federal workforce. Tom and Drew dissect what’s really happening behind closed doors with political scandals, question how power manipulates public perception, and break down the ripple effects of landmark court rulings. They don’t stop there—this episode also covers buzzy pop culture topics, like the controversy around James Gunn’s new Superman movie and Charlize Theron’s hot takes on single motherhood. Plus, they explore the potential arrival of mysterious interstellar objects (could it be aliens, or just another space rock?), debate the future role of robotic law enforcement, and geek out over privacy-first communication tech that might just signal a new age of digital independence. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Child Trafficking Outrage Persists 10:30 "Evaluating Diplomatic Achievements" 14:46 "Resisting Western Expansion: A Red Line" 17:21 "Preventing America's Financial Collapse" 25:13 "Balancing Culture and Budget Challenges" 30:41 Trading Safety for Surveillance Control 34:13 "Triggered by Bank Withdrawal Question" 40:34 Film Themes: Questions and Answers 45:10 Gender Antagonism and Relationship Struggles 53:05 "25 Years of Love and Gratitude" 58:09 Hormonal Preferences: Masculine vs. Feminine 01:02:10 Origins of Life Uncertainty 01:05:45 "Enduring Humanity Through Transhumanism" CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to ⁠https://www.vitalproteins.com⁠ https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out Allio Capital: Macro investing for people who want to understand the big picture. Download their app in the App Store or at Google Play, or text my name “TOM” to 511511. iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACTGO when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at ⁠https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu⁠ https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu SleepMe: Visit ⁠https://sleep.me/impact⁠ https://sleep.me/impact to get your Chilipad and save 20% with code IMPACT. Try it risk-free with their 30-night sleep trial and free shipping. ButcherBox: Ready to level up your meals? Go to ⁠https://butcherbox.com/impact⁠ https://butcherbox.com/impact to get $20 off your first box and FREE bacon for life with the Bilyeu Box! Jerry: Stop needlessly overpaying for car insurance - download the Jerry app or head to ⁠https://jerry.ai/impact⁠ https://jerry.ai/impact Netsuite: Download the new e-book Navigating Global Trade: 3 Insights for Leaders at ⁠http://NetSuite.com/Theory⁠ http://netsuite.com/Theory What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:⁠ join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:⁠ see if you qualify here.⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:⁠ sign up here.⁠ https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,⁠ Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook⁠ https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on my⁠ Twitch stream⁠ https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT at⁠ www.twitch.tv/tombilyeu⁠ https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:⁠ apple.co/impacttheory⁠ http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/⁠ https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en⁠ https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:⁠ https://twitter.com/tombilyeu⁠ https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:28Tom Bilyeu?

  and a mysterious intercellar object has entered our solar system. Drew?

• 1:33Speaker 01

  We could talk about Trump, we could talk about Putin, we could talk about Israel, but are we still talking about Epstein? Let's hear it. The reporter asked Pam Bondi, clarification about the minute that's been missing. We all have seen this footage by now, leaking of the prison, and the time jump between 11:58 and 12:00 a.m. And when asked during the cabinet meeting, this was the response.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable.

• 2:10Tom Bilyeu?

  This is the most absurd response I've ever seen in my life. This, he knows that multiple people were like campaigning for their nomination based on, you get me in there, I'm Cash Patel, baby, you get me in there, I've got you. Day one, I'm gonna have that finally put out. The FBI director, I guarantee he's got the black book personally in his hands. You just gotta get me in.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  He had people on the White House lawn with the Epstein binders. Everybody was smiling, taking selfies with it.

• 2:39Tom Bilyeu?

  This is so weird. I don't know if these guys are just that tone deaf, but even if there's not, there's actually nothing to see. Like, let's imagine that that's true. They have to know that is the worst possible news because people are so expectant. And let's be honest, there's no way that there's, I mean, somebody was talking about the phone that they confiscated next to his bed, had a bunch of people on speed dial. Who's on speed dial, bro? Like, the 97-page little black book that Ghislaine Maxwell has, who by the way, got sentenced to 20 years for sex trafficking. Where's that?

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Even though it's just her and Epstein by themselves?

• 3:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, over and over and over and over. Well, don't let's not forget Prince Andrew. So, the only way that I can make it make sense is if they're hiding something, man. That's the only way that I can wrap my head around it. I want to be careful not to defame anybody here. But it seems to me that these guys understand politics. They understand PR extraordinarily well. So to be mishandling this this badly, they have to be backed into some kind of corner. I just cannot fathom that this was the strategy that they put together. I mean, did they really think that people were just gonna like let this one blow over? People are obsessed with this. This is about child sex trafficking. This is about the wealthiest, most- Powerful people in the world.

• 4:05Tom Bilyeu?

  And now we're supposed to just be like memory flash from uh Men in Black like. These are not the George you're looking for like. I I'm really shocked that they thought that this wasn't going to be something that people keep asking about. And then for Trump to act defensively, it's like you've got to be nonchalant, bro. Like if you're really going to try to get people to believe that. I don't have anything to do with this. What are you talking about? You can't come across defensive while you guys are burying stuff. This is wild. I don't know what they're thinking.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Tucker Carlson had journalist Sagar Injedi who dropped a truth bomb that might explain his take on what's really going on.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  The lie at this point is not even part of trying to convince any of this is true. The lie is a signal to everybody else involved in the scheme. That to the to the ultimate ends, the United States government will go to protect all of you.

• 4:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, here's the thing, man, like really peel the layers back if if this is real. If this is even half of what people would have us believe. This is extremely wealthy, extremely powerful people that get together over. Essentially rape of underage women that that is. How is that possible? How is that like the thing that really bonds people?

• 5:28Speaker 01

  And it's not a partisan issue. There's people on the left who are implicated, people on the right who are implicated. Charges were pressed, like you said, J M Maxwell is in prison already. Jamie Dimon and J P Morgan had to make a settlement with the island.

• 5:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Hundreds of millions of dollars, some to the island and then some to victims.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  So for this to be, there is no list, there is no files, this is a nothing burger, there's millions of dollars in settlements.

• 5:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Hundreds of millions of dollars.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  People are sitting in jail right now because of this for it to then become nothing. I don't know. And again, people are trying to say, well, Diddy's getting off and now Epstein's getting off. And we're trying to now bring other people in it to make it a big deal. There's something here. It's not just a, he killed himself, wipe your hands with it.

• 6:09Tom Bilyeu?

  I think you and I've talked about this before, but the one thing that really freaked me out was when they did this show to catch a predator. And they would set up and they'd be like, today we're in Kalamazoo and like 150 people would show up to like the most remote, weird ramshackle. I'm like, what? Can you set up anywhere and people will just come out of the woodwork? That was, that was how I felt watching that show. It's the same thing that I get looking at this. Like, how is it possible that that's the, the flag you can plant or the beacon, the symbol that you can throw up into the sky and just, like you get all of these people circling around such that you get this stalemate where nobody wants this information out there.

• 6:53Tom Bilyeu?

  His take is really interesting in that this is them just blatantly saying, don't worry, we got you. Like this isn't going anywhere. There is nobody in power that wants this thing getting out. It, uh, I, in some way, I need this to not be true because it reveals something so freakish about, not just power, but the human mind. I don't know, man. This, this one is unnerving.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Somebody put the timeline together that like he was arrested while Trump was in office the first time. He committed suicide and then now the cover up is happening. And in each of those times, it's like Trump kind of started the process and now you're kind of wrapping everything up like nothing to see here. Let's go.

• 7:38Tom Bilyeu?

  But why didn't Biden like put this stuff out? That's the crazy thing. Like if this is really, this is why I think there's no universe, even if Trump really is implicated. And again, I have no evidence that nobody else has, uh, but even if he is implicated. That would have been the card to play if you're the Biden administration, but they didn't play it. And so that tells me either there really is nothing there, or everyone is there.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:06Tom Bilyeu?

  And so you just, you can't. Like it's going to wipe out everybody's donors, every, uh, too far too many people in each party. It's, um, yeah, man, this is, this will be interesting to see if we really get somebody who's dogged that pursues this, that like really tries to find out what's going on and starts putting all the pieces together. People are certainly going ham right now. I have a feeling that this is somehow going to get memory hold as it seems like everything does. Country's going bankrupt. People aren't even going to pay attention to that. But yeah, I mean, this one just, it, this feels like if you tell a lie big enough, like eventually people just go along with it. Like this, this one feels brazen.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And we're just moving along. There's going to be another news article, another news headline next week and we're going to forget about it.

• 8:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. And to be honest, like if we were to talk about this again, people are going to get bored.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:58Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the crazy part. Like no matter how wild, no matter how insane, as long as we have the veneer that we can put up, because if this is to be believed, you, you've got predators.

• 9:15Tom Bilyeu?

  As far as the eye can see. And hey, as long as you give me that thin veneer of society, I'm good. And we'll just move on.

• 9:23Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know what to do with that.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  It's, it's a tough pill to swallow. Uh, speaking of swallowing.

• 9:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh God, where is this going?

• 9:30Speaker 01

  After Trump's cabinet meeting, he has, he hosted a dinner with Prime Minister, Israel and his cabinet.

• 9:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, that's one of the roughest transitions he's ever done.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Speaking of swallowing, Israel Prime Minister.

• 9:41Tom Bilyeu?

  That's gotta be in the Hall of Fame zone.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  He had some very kind words that I'm not sure we'll agree about for President Trump. Let's hear it.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  But the president has already realized great opportunities. He forged the Abraham Accords. He's forging peace as we speak in one country and one region after the other. So I want to present to you, Mr. President, the letter I sent to the Nobel Prize Committee. It's nominating you for the Peace Prize, which is well deserved.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  This is the second Nobel Peace Prize nomination Trump got, one from Pakistan and now from Netanyahu himself. Trump definitely had some major wins in the first six months, you know, two and a half conflicts kind of settled. Do you think it's deserved for him to be acknowledged in this way?

• 10:29Tom Bilyeu?

  This feels really way too fast. Like, I want to see if this actually holds, if these things actually hold, maybe for what he did with the Abraham Accords, like, maybe that's already enough. I wasn't paying attention to politics back then, so I don't know enough details. So maybe for that, it would make sense, but for what he's done in term two, I think he's done some incredible things. If they play out well, if they don't play out well, if the war between Israel and Hamas continues to rage, if he's not able to do anything between Russia and Ukraine, if Iran just immediately builds back and starts launching rockets again, then I'll be like, okay, this is all for naught.

• 11:09Tom Bilyeu?

  But if Iran really does come to the table, if they try to step into the 21st century and start building diplomatic relationships with people, if we can broker, I don't know, some sort of trade deal with them, if there really is lasting peace between Israel and Iran, if all the proxies chill, if we actually get a cease to the just absolute bloodbath between Israel and Hamas, then yeah, I'll be like, okay, this is really incredible. He's using trade to bring people to the table. He isn't just stick, he's got carrot. If he's able to broker a trade deal with Iran, that would be extraordinary. Now, that feels like I'm just sort of pie in the sky.

• 11:54Tom Bilyeu?

  I will be beside myself with shock if the regime stays in place and they're interested in doing trade with the Western world, that would be very surprising, but we'll see. But if he can pull that off, that would be very extraordinary.

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• 14:33Tom Bilyeu?

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• 14:37Speaker 01

  I think it's interesting because yes, he stopped a lot of new conflicts that were going on, but there's the conflicts that he inherited that still are in the same place. Israel and Hamas have been talking about a ceasefire, have been talking about trade deals, but it's not necessarily getting anywhere. And Ukraine, Russia, we're in the same position we were.

• 14:54Tom Bilyeu?

  That's going nowhere. Putin has made it abundantly clear, nope, I'm not interested. Trump is gonna have to escalate. He's obviously sending Ukraine weapons now. So this is one of those like, is this a good look? No. He said, "I'm gonna have that done and dusted on day one." Cash was gonna give us the Epstein files. Trump was gonna end the war in Ukraine.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  A lot of day one promises are getting broken.

• 15:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, and it's, you know, six plus months in, and I think everybody feels bamboozled about the Epstein files. And he's, as far as I can tell, made literally no progress whatsoever in Russia-Ukraine.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  It's interesting. He said something about Putin during the cabinet meeting, and that kinda changed my perspective on his opinion on it.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  And it should end, and I don't know, we get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, for you wanna know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless. And it reminds me of all those tweets about, "Yeah, I just got off a call with Putin, it went great, we're gonna try to wrap this thing up." And it seems that Putin has just been playing Trump the whole time.

• 16:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. I mean, listen, Putin is a former KGB officer. This is not somebody who is blind to propaganda, manipulation, asset control. Like, he is for sure going to try to position everybody exactly where he wants them. When you rise to power in a country as cutthroat as post-Soviet Russia, like dude, imagine, the country was in complete disarray. Who's in charge? And for him to be able to climb up, reunify the country is... It certainly speaks to his ability to get people to do what he wants.

• 16:38Tom Bilyeu?

  When Wagner like did that weird run on Moscow and then stopped and turned around, I was like, yo, he's dead. And the fact that he then just cold as ice, plane falls out of the sky, dunzo, like, he is, he's not the guy that you play around with. And when you see him in interviews, he seems completely rational and normal. And when you look at him through the lens of Realpolitik, though, it's like, yeah, he's gonna do what's in his best interest, plain and simple. End of the story. He's gonna do what he can get away with. He's looking at Ukraine. He's looking at Europe. And he's like, nope, I can keep pushing. You guys are not gonna come any closer. I'm going to treat this as a threat. And I'm gonna make sure that as you

• 17:21Tom Bilyeu?

  guys try to encroach and bring the West up into these sort of padded territories post the collapse of the Soviet Union, he had Georgia, Ukraine, and there was a couple others that were former USSR member states. But then after the fall, you could feel them going towards the West. And he had made it very clear, if you guys keep coming, I'm gonna treat that as a red line. And he did. And so unless he feels like he has reached the point where he can no longer make progress, he's gonna keep pushing. And so we did the whole deep dive on this topic. Like, once you understand Realpolitik, that a country

• 18:05Tom Bilyeu?

  will do exactly what they can get away with. And the only thing that hems them in is internal cultural pressure. Other than that, it is just take, take, take, take, take, take, take.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:18Tom Bilyeu?

  And so you need look no further than America's history. You need look no further than what Russia's doing now. You need look no further than what Israel's doing. Like, people will take, take, take until they hit an opposing force.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  The Trump administration did get a major win earlier today. The Supreme Court votes eight to one to allow the president's cuts to the federal workforce in any department he chooses. The big dissent was the Supreme Court initially, the lower courts initially blocked it saying the POTUS is not allowed to reorganize federal agencies without congressional approval. But the Supreme Court just came back and said firing people is not reorganization. So he's allowed to do that. The cuts will take place across a number of agencies from HHS, Department of the Interior, Department of State, IRS, looking to impact 107,000 employees. How do you feel about this reduction in force, reduction of the federal government from Trump?

• 19:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so this is where I don't expect people to be on my team, but you've got to think of the president as the CEO of America, Inc. And you cannot build a company if you can't fire people. So I am always just, I have such an allergic reaction when people are like, take the Department of Education, like teachers not being fired that aren't doing a good job, like they keep them on pay, they might take them out of the classroom, but they don't cut them. That is ludicrous to me. If you've got the president of the United States going, we don't need these people in that department, I want to, and I mean, I am so eager for America to avoid bankruptcy

• 19:52Tom Bilyeu?

  that, yeah, between, I want to get people in here that I think can do the job and meet a KPI and hey, if we need to do a reduction in force in order to save money, because labor is always your highest cost, then he's got to be able to fire people. So that one just always struck me as absolutely absurd. And I can feel myself as I'm staring at, like, I'm actually, I'm no longer in the mode of, oh, I'm in the commentariat and I'm talking about this theoretical bankruptcy that America go through. Now, it is just a mathematical certainty. I feel so different inside when I think about this now. And both parties have policies that are going to lead to bankruptcy. Bankruptcy will lead to bloodshed in America.

• 20:37Tom Bilyeu?

  It will be a catastrophic, brutal, economic and physical fallout. And people are not taking this seriously at all. And so. When I look at something like this and I see like all the political infighting and all of that, it's, it's literally absurd. Everybody has got to get on board with, we have to find a way to reduce costs. And one of those ways is going to be firing people for sure. And my vision for what America is going to have to do, I think is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, because now this is about really getting back to where we were like

• 21:16Tom Bilyeu?

  250 years ago, buckling down, being a group of people that are disciplined, focused, interested in liberty, freedom, getting the government small, small, small, small, small. We are going to have to reduce entitlements. The only other option is just to say, I don't want to upset anybody. I don't want to cut anybody off of their benefits. And so I'm going to take down the whole country. And I feel about this, the way I feel, there was a story that Lisa was watching recently about a husband who was having an affair. And so he ends up killing his wife and two daughters. And it's like, that is the dumbest

• 21:59Tom Bilyeu?

  possible reaction to this situation. But you just can't confront the hard thing and being like, I'm not in love with you anymore. I would rather go play than be a father and raise these kids. And you know, it makes you look like a scumbag. So instead you kill the kids? Like, the, the solution is orders of magnitude worse than the problem. We have a problem. People's entitlements are going to have to be cut. Wealthy people are going to have to be taxed. There is going to have to be some wealth redistribution. There is going to have to be some money printing. It's Ray Dalio's Beautiful De-leveraging. I hate that he puts flowery words around it, because it hides the real truth, which is, we have

• 22:43Tom Bilyeu?

  to do brutal belt tightening. There's going to have to be austerity. If we don't do this, everyone loses everything. The dollar will be inflated to nothing. And people just don't understand what that means. And so we're going along with something that is the equivalent of, well, I don't want to cut anybody's entitlement, so I'm just going to kill everybody. Dude.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  It's, I'm fifty fifty on the fence about this move because a lot of times when companies have layoffs, when it actually comes down to my stock, this is costing me too much, the profits are being impacted, if I just remove this, I'll be in a better situation for the long term, then yes, I could get it, it's more reasonable. When mom and pop shops have an extra employee, but it's a slow season, I might have to let somebody go, get a college kid for a little bit cheaper, I understand that it's a bit more easier to digest. Oftentimes, and when we have these large organizations with a lot of bloat, they cut a lot of people as the first line item, but then they still have over striving spending in other areas. I have a very good example of back in the day, I used to work at Honeywell, and I remember they implemented, one time we had a bad quarter, they implemented mandatory furloughs for all employees. So, me being young, I was like, oh yeah, cool, I get a week off, I get to

• 23:53Speaker 01

  chill at the house, like, I'm not mad at it, you know, whatever. And then they did it again the next quarter. And then they were talking about doing it a third time. And then I was talking to my boss, I was like, this is kind of crazy, like, the first time it was fun, but like, after a while, those checks kind of start to stack up, like, what's going on? And he was frustrated because he said, every time they do it, they save like two to three million dollars. But on the flip side, we were down thirty million, we overspent on other expenditures, our R and D didn't pan out. So it was like, a lot of times, you'll bleed money in one department, but the easy thing is just to cut people. So I get that in the long term thing, like, the long term of everything, we're going to have to reduce spending, we're gonna have to tighten costs. But I feel like employees are just low hanging fruit of like, alright, let's just cut this. But then on the flip side, let's raise a debt ceiling five trillion over here, let's, so I just wish that we were

• 24:36Tom Bilyeu?

  You are right, and there's two things there. The first thing is that being the CEO is very difficult, you never know what's gonna work, what's not gonna work. We're all limited by our intellect, our abilities and all of that. So, yeah, you've got somebody in power, you've got the guy at Honeywell's making the decisions, whatever. But it's like, is he gonna make all the right decisions? Clearly not. But you've got to have somebody making decisions, doing their best. The second thing is, when you're looking at the P and L, and you see the labor costs are just orders of magnitude bigger than anything else, you start going, oh god, like, that one, I understand it, it's easy, I've got a solution, give everybody a week off, it's mixed, some people will be excited, some will be a little bit annoyed, but like, no

• 25:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Nobody loses their job. It's like equal across everybody. Cool. I saved my money. That doesn't excuse poor management in other areas and it is entirely possible that you saw things that he didn't. It's entirely possible that if you had his job, you'd be better at it. It's also entirely possible that from the outside, it's very easy to be like that thing, but you don't understand like how it's all connected. I've had employee conversations throughout my career where I'm just like, this person has such a narrow band of visibility into what the company is doing. And they're up in arms about this thing that they're on a hobby horse about. And in isolation, it's hard to justify that thing. But when you look at it in totality, there are other reasons that you might be doing it.

• 26:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Again, that doesn't mean that my decision making is always perfect. It's clearly not. But it does mean that it is, there's usually only one person that has a 100% view of what the company has to accomplish, how all the different decisions connect. And when people that have 70%, 20%, 7% of the whole picture, it can seem like that person's out of their mind. But in reality, it's like, well, I've gotten us this far. So it is, um, it's tough, man. And so I, I literally do not want to be the president. That seems like the world's worst job to me. It's like all of the stress of running a company.

• 26:47Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's partisan and so people are trying to take you down at every turn to some extent. And I won't say all the way because you do want people to say what they think so that as a country, we can navigate to who we want in the office next. But to some extent, you gotta say, all right, this is who we've got in the office. I want them to win. Like I, I don't want to find myself when somebody gets elected that I don't like, that I want them to fail. It's like, you gotta want them to win. Like they're steering America Inc.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you're still in the country.

• 27:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Do you consider this a win even though Elon is gone and Doge is kind of whining down that? These kind of are Doge is policies that he initially put on the table. So are we excited at least at some of the things kind of left even though Trump and Elon?

• 27:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, I really think this is a cultural problem and I. When I was writing the deep dive that'll be coming out on Monday, I thought, uh oh, like I'm, I'm out of step with where culture is at right now. And so it becomes a question of, okay, am I trying to nudge culture? Or am I trying to lead where people are already going? And so I was like, well, I'm going to try to nudge it because I think the consequences are so dire. Uh, if we don't, and the reality is as a culture, we must get ourselves to a place where we're balancing a budget. It's just, that's a must. And so that's going to be deregulation.

• 28:13Tom Bilyeu?

  That's going to be, um, being wise with your tax policy. So you do need to tax, tax cuts, but only if they yield growth. If they're not yielding growth, then you're going to have to raise the taxes, man. So it's like, this is going to be a really difficult dance. Uh, you have four levers at your disposal. You've got wealth redistribution. You've got, uh, tax, you've got, uh, money printing, and you've got austerity. Like those are your four levers. And so we're going to have to find a way to pull them in just the right order that we can get the economy growing, that we can reduce costs. We, we are in a $2 trillion a year deficit right now. You, you can't do that. Within 10 years, the, the country will be bankrupt.

• 28:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Like this was the day where I'm now reallocating things. I'm getting out of government debt. So I'm just like, uh, I don't know how long government debt is going to be viable. And certainly the dollar is still weakening. Uh, we're gonna have to print to keep up with this. We just added $5 trillion. It's, um, it, it is action worthy. I don't want to, uh, get in my feels. I don't want to be negative. I certainly don't want to accept defeat, but it's like, we need to take evasive action. And if we can't take evasive action as a country, we've got to do it as individuals. Um, so, yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Always good to go see this oldie but goodie with Warren Buffett. I can end the deficit in five minutes.

• 29:37Speaker 05

  No, these problems are, are problems that have built up over decades. And there hasn't been a Congress that's been mature enough or a president that's been mature enough to take this head off.

• 29:44Speaker 06

  I, I could, I could, I could end the deficit in five minutes. You just pass a law that says that anytime there's a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for reelection.

• 29:56Tom Bilyeu?

  God, that's so good. Drew, that's so good and we'll never do it. But here's why we'll never do it. The politicians don't like it. But the far more terrifying thing, people don't know what GDP is. They don't know why 3% matters. So it's like, man, listen, I think that Chamath Palihapitiya is brilliant. And his results speak for himself. But I remember I tweeted at him one time because he was like, oh, are being at north of 130% debt to GDP, no big deal, nothing burger. And I was like, nothing burger. It's not a nothing burger.

• 30:41Tom Bilyeu?

  It is.

• 30:44Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not like, oh, you hit 130 and you fall off a cliff immediately. But basically, not basically, 98% of all countries that pass that for any meaningful period of time end up in civil war. So, or revolution. But that's dramatic. Taking a short break, but there's more Impact Theory after. Stay tuned. You're probably paying two salespeople to do one salesperson's job. That's where today's sponsor Pipe Drive comes in. An intelligent AI-powered sales CRM loved by growing sales teams. Pipe Drive just launched meeting intelligence built right into the CRM.

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• 32:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Speaking of drama, I'm getting better.

• 32:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  China's robot cop hamster ball police machine, I don't even know what to call this thing.

• 32:22Tom Bilyeu?

  China's spherical robot. What did it say? This is the ball of much and infinite death, as far as I'm concerned.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  A lot of people are saying they're gonna start using this for protesters and it's allowed the police riots and things like that, but yeah, this is, every time I see a police robot, I automatically get like 1984 vibes, or like I hear the wolves howling in the distance. This just rubs me the wrong way. But I get technology.

• 32:47Tom Bilyeu?

  I like this one. I don't know why, but this one I can get behind.

• 32:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, you are absolutely right to fear the authority of the government. That is the thing that terrifies me, is that we have slowly, over time, accepted a level of authoritarian rule that the founders of the country would just have an absolute stroke over. Like, this is crazy compared to where we were, back when we were like, we're, we are not even going to let you tax us unless we have representation. And, like, we've lost all of that energy. And I think people assume that, oh, as long as America has existed, that we've had a social safety net. We have not. That didn't come along until 1935. So, we used to be,

• 33:34Tom Bilyeu?

  like, a bunch of hardcore farmers, industrialists, like, we understood the need to have manufacturing, like, we really had people that came from all over the world to build on top of the idea of liberty. And, boy, oh, boy, have we given that up. And I forget who it was that said, I'll paraphrase it, but, "Anybody who trades freedom for safety will get neither and deserves none." I forget the exact quote, but basically, like, as soon as you trade safety for security, like, you end up with...

• 34:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Robots that are marching in the streets telling you what to do, watching your every move, 1984 cameras everywhere, a thought police, and you did it because you wanted to be safer, but in the end, you just traded it for fear of the state. And this was a friction between Lisa and I, where I have beef with the idea of coercive control. I don't think that it should be enshrined in law. I think there are two ways that it's real, the state against an individual and an adult against a child. Beyond that, everybody's got to take responsibility for themselves. But the state versus the individual is like the ultimate coercive control, where they can, with literal threat of taking your life legally,

• 34:58Tom Bilyeu?

  they can get you to do whatever they want. And so, yeah, arming them with robots is pretty freaky.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you think that this is going to come to America like this is going to be?

• 35:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Obviously.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, in China, they kind of started drone soft launch, and then as we've seen the war and everything, drones kind of.

• 35:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Were you here for COVID?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  In LA?

• 35:16Tom Bilyeu?

  In America. Like, have you seen the way people reacted?

• 35:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 35:21Tom Bilyeu?

  It was crazy. People wanted to tattletale on their neighbors. Ayn Rand was the only one of the futurists that understood that you didn't need a totalitarian state, you didn't need a drug-induced utopia. All it took to have a dystopian future was like this aggressive, bitter envy. It's something envy. And I was like, oh, man, that is very distressing and almost certainly true. Because once you get people that are like that, where

• 36:02Tom Bilyeu?

  they just drew, it isn't that they love the poor, it's that they hate the rich.

• 36:09Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a very different vibe.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  And sometimes you'll just gather allies to take out the thing that you hate versus actually caring about the things that you're aligning with. It's very interesting. I don't think I've heard that perspective before.

• 36:19Tom Bilyeu?

  So, yeah, I worry that that's, that we already have that, especially because it's a moment of such tremendous inequality and that that does lay dormant inside the human mind and people don't stop themselves. They don't, they don't go, ooh, this is icky.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:36Tom Bilyeu?

  It just feels so good. I remember there are times, because my wife really has righteous indignation. She doesn't have the envy thing, thank God, but she has like, when she feels like somebody has crossed a moral line or the way things ought to be for her, like she really gets upset and it gives her like this focus and energy and aggression. And I'm like, I wish I had that. But I, it's very few things that make me react with righteous indignation.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  What is the things that make you react with righteous indignation?

• 37:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, if you come after my family, um, if you think that my money is yours, like banks trigger me in a way. It's so funny because I didn't see it coming. So I went into a bank. I mean, this had to be 15 years ago now. I went into a bank and was like, I don't, can I withdraw $2,000? And they were like, what's it for? And I was like, what? Like, what's it for? I was like, the, what? I'm like, I'm not going to tell you what it's for. I'm like, it's for whatever I want. And I found myself, I saw red. I was a sociopath. I was like,

• 37:47Tom Bilyeu?

  whoa, I am, I am legitimately triggered right now. I'm like, who, this is my money. I was like, dude, I really felt some type of way. And this was not like, I was starting to do okay for the first time, but if anybody thinks I grew up wealthy, I most certainly did not. So, uh, this is not like rich kid syndrome. This was, I've saved my money. I've worked myself to death. I have entrusted you with my money. You're earning profit on me putting my money in your bank and now you are acting like. You're doing me a favor. I'm doing you a favor. This is my... Okay, so I'm getting wound up now. So yeah, I've got a real thing with that.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  That's funny. The other future tech news, Bitcoin, former CEO of Twitter and Blue Sky, founder of Blue Sky, I think somebody else runs the company now. He just started BitChat, a Bluetooth mesh network and relay. This, some of the features are offline communication, it works without internet, but you can message to other people, end-to-end encryption, extended range. You can mention people and the, the last thing that wasn't quite mentioned on the initial release is that this can also be used to send Bitcoin payments. Cause I know Jack is a proponent of the Bitcoin has to be a means of exchange and not just a store of wealth.

• 39:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Right. As you would expect from Satoshi Nakamoto himself.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  You're still going with that?

• 39:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Jack Jersey. It's literally mapped in my brain that he is Satoshi. I don't even question it anymore. Now, I have almost no information that would lead me to believe that, but I have totally mapped like, oh yeah, it's him.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  It's definitely him. I love this because I just think we got so used to internet-based things. And I just forgot that, oh yeah, you can, you should be able to communicate people and not have internet or not have like a phone.

• 39:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Not only, I didn't forget that, I had no idea. It never crossed my mind that you didn't need the internet. So this is interesting. I don't know that this, listen, this is like, um, post, the government goes broke. It's escaped from New York stee low. Then like I get where we're going with this. Uh, but for today, this feels like we're going pretty ham for reasons. And I mean, look, maybe he knows more about it than I do. Maybe I really should be this kind of paranoid.

• 40:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm not this kind of paranoid. So I like the aesthetic of it. It feels very, uh, like sort of old school matrix-y, but...

• 40:11Speaker 01

  The biggest thing, again, no privacy, no tracking, no servers, no accounts or data collection. And again, I think we just assumed...

• 40:17Tom Bilyeu?

  No accounts? That's interesting.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, like we just assumed that like, okay, we have this thing. They have to take our data like.

• 40:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  So to your point of we trade freedom for safety and these other things, a lot of times for convenience, for tech, we trade our privacy. And so it's interesting that he's coming from the other side, no internet, full privacy and full transparency. It's yours, open source. He released it for iOS, somebody ported it for Android and he was like, wow, this moves fast like. So it's already the community is like rallying around it. So.

• 40:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, let's see what happens. Uh, I would imagine the biggest thing here is...

• 40:52Tom Bilyeu?

  It feels future techie, so for people that are into that kind of stuff, this feels cool. It's the digital equivalent of being off the grid.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:00Tom Bilyeu?

  And then it's crypto native. I don't know if that's the right word, but it certainly feels like that. It's interesting. We'll definitely keep an eye on it.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  All right, let's talk about culture. We got Impact Theory's own Brandon, who was in the trailer for the new, who's in the new Superman movie. Excited for that to come out this weekend.

• 41:17Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, I have to confess my biases here. So I want this movie to be good so bad. I cannot even begin to tell you. I can't believe the following statement is true, but two Impact Theory alumni, one's currently here, one's an alumni, are in this movie. Yes. How? That's so weird. I can't believe it, but it's true. So I really, really want this movie to win for that reason. But it's right now got some negative hype coming into it.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, James is gonna shout him in the foot, but let's hear it from Kelly in Conway.

• 41:55Speaker 07

  We don't, we don't go, we don't go to the movie theater to be lectured to and to have somebody throw their ideology onto us. I wonder if it'll be successful.

• 42:02Tom Bilyeu?

  You know what it says on his cape? MS-13. Mmm. That can't be true.

• 42:08Tom Bilyeu?

  I trust they're kidding.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  But this is now becoming like Superman isn't about this, this and that. And we see a lot of it, like the Ironheart, the Marvel movie, Marvel TV show that came out. A lot of times, Snow White, Disney hugely gets this, so for DC now to get it is just interesting. Do you think that?

• 42:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so here's the thing about movies. If you are a writer, the first thing you do, and this is not me making this up, I forget what writer said this, but they were very successful.

• 42:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And for anybody that doesn't know, my background's actually screenwriting, filmmaking. So this is something I've spent a lot of time thinking about. But the first thing that you do is you put a sticky on your computer that is your theme. And every beat in your story, every scene in your story needs to explore, validate or invalidate that theme.

• 43:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And so when people say like, I don't go to the theater to be preached to, you never want it to feel like you're being preached to, but you absolutely want a film to explore a set of values, beliefs, a moral idea, truism about the human condition, whatever. The best movies, in my opinion, approach the theme as both a question and an answer. So through the whole movie, you want to be asking a question.

• 43:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Not that Superman should be about this, but if you were going to approach it from the immigrant standpoint, it would be like, are immigrants a benefit or a detraction from society? And then throughout the movie, you don't want the answer to be obvious. And it's only in the very end that it all comes together and it's finally like, oh, they had to learn a thing. Immigrants are good, immigrants are bad, whatever. And then that unlocks the thing they need to learn to bring the story to a close, to finally conquer the demon, the whatever. And then that's when a movie really feels satisfying. And so I don't mind at all when a film has a moral core.

• 44:13Tom Bilyeu?

  In fact, I want a story to, at a minimum, have an idea and a perspective on that idea. And where I think people go wrong is for so many years now, it's been like, they're preaching it right from the jump. You know their answer right from the jump. They don't show all sides of the issue, make you debate back and forth. Is this good? Is this bad? God, we're like, where are we gonna go? And then finally it's like, oh, wow, you really earned that payoff. We don't do that anymore. It's just like, you're smashing people in the face with it from the jump. And then also because we're in such a polarized moment, it's these like really ham handed, like if you agree with it, I guess you can get behind it

• 44:57Tom Bilyeu?

  because it's like any piece of content that tells you what you already believe. And if you don't believe it, then it's like just fingernails on a chalkboard from the beginning. So I'll be interested to see this because I think James Gunn is an extraordinarily talented director, very gifted writer. Now, if he does it ham handed, then well. Game over, but um the fact that it deals with Superman as an immigrant on some level does not automatically make me go, oh, this movie is going to be trash. It just depends on how he handles it.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Babylon Bee nails it with their tweet. James Gunn releases film about the importance of accepting morally upstanding white immigrants who speak perfect English. That's what it really is about.

• 45:40Tom Bilyeu?

  What's funny is, okay, that the humor is not lost on me, but what's funny about Superman is he was always about like being a boy scout essentially. It was American values, like from top to bottom in the comic book. He, at one point, I think he's fighting Nazis. So it's like Superman is already about a value set. So Superman in some ways, from a comic perspective, I imagine was not preachy, but like it really laid out like what it was trying to convey about America and American values and being pro American. And so is it that people are bothered that it has a moral takeaway? Or are they bothered that it's not their moral takeaway?

• 46:22Tom Bilyeu?

  So I will be interested to see what it is in practice because like if, I don't know if you saw Peacemaker, uh, which was James Gunn.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, the John Cena.

• 46:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, it's fun and great. Are there like little wokey bits here and there? Sure, but like he's good. He's like, he does it pretty well. So I'll be interested to see.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, comes out this weekend. We'll, we'll check it out.

• 46:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  All right. Charlize Theron set the internet on fire with her. This was just a trailer to the interview. We didn't get to the interview yet. But yeah, a lot of people felt a type of way. Let's hear it.

• 47:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So wait, the interview itself hasn't come out yet?

• 47:01Speaker 01

  The interview has come out, but just a trailer.

• 47:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Right, right. Oh, yeah, the trailer, I was like.

• 47:05Speaker 08

  With women, it's always like, something must be wrong with her. She can't keep a man. She must be a real bitch. What a cunt.

• 47:13Speaker 08

  I love that I don't have to run every fucking thing by a guy. I'm having the kind of sex I never had in my twenties or in my thirties. We should be the ones that are like, fuck you. Like, I'm gonna have an orgasm. But I did just recently fuck a 26 year old and it was really fucking amazing. There's a casting for this movie and you'll have to go on Saturday night and they gave me the address and it was this director's house. The little voice inside me definitely said, this isn't right. I remember like being furious with myself because I couldn't believe how I had let myself down. Like, I was like, what the fuck? Who the fuck are you? Where the fuck? Why the fuck would you allow that? Until you are in this fucking environment, don't tell me how you're gonna behave.

• 47:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Man, people that swear so much, Drew, I don't know these days.

• 48:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so I, the thing that makes me really sad is there is this antagonism between men and women that has been building and building and building for a very long time now. And that I, that really makes me sad. I think that ultimately, life is so much better. One, if you just have a partner that you love. But taking a sort of fastball down the middle approach of man and woman together, the way that they contrast and complement each other. It's very clear to me that I would not have become the person that I'd become if it wasn't for the influence of my wife. And I like to think she would say the same thing about her. And so seeing this idea of like, who hurt you? Like, what happened? You know what I mean?

• 48:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, how did you end up with like, you know, you feel her coming into the relationship with a man, with her dukes up? And it's like, I'm sure she has been through things where it's like, okay, I get it. Like, you've had your heart broken and that does not look like an easy thing to build back from. But where we've gotten in culture where it's celebrated to be like, women are trash or I don't need a man, like, that's where this gets sad for me. In terms of from an evolutionary standpoint, we were obviously meant to come together. We were obviously meant to influence each other. And seeing people be standoffish or antagonistic towards each other, I just don't think you're going to.

• 49:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Get as much out of yourself if you could. You're certainly not going to get as much emotional fulfillment out of life if you're not sharing it with somebody. I think one of the truest quotes I've ever heard is a pleasure shared is a pleasure doubled. You don't have to share it with your romantic partner, but it's a pretty cool person to share it with.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  No, that's real. This is interesting because my first reaction of this is, you know, there's a bunch of men who are 49, who sleep with 26 year olds.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  And they get their level of criticism and like pressure. And I think when women do it, sometimes it's often celebrated, but I'm not even looking at like it's a men versus women thing. I just think it's an archetype thing. And there are people who are older, who are more successful, who want younger, hotter, simpler relationships. And I think that that's fine. And I think that there are loser men and there are loser women. And I think that sometimes you've got to call people like, we should be okay to call women losers. Like, we should be able to call men losers. And to me-

• 50:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, are you saying she's a loser for going after a younger guy?

• 50:30Speaker 01

  I'm just thinking that if, me, in my age, and I am nowhere near 49, I feel like I have nothing in common with a 26 year old, or I have nothing in common with a 22 year old. And to me, that doesn't fulfill me. Now, if she just wanted a quick nut on a Friday night, God bless her, I hope it was good. You know what I mean? But there are certain people that are like, yo, you 50 and you're hanging around with a 26 year old? Like, that's weird. Like, you're, you know what I mean? That's not ideal.

• 50:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Why is it loser, though? I don't track that. Because they, they're different generations and they can't intellectually engage each other?

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't see that there's a, like, you have employees here that are young, that are old. And you can see that there are certain employees that, okay, I could talk about these things with these employees. This employee I could talk about other things with. I think the person that is closer to your generation, you have a larger things to talk about. You have larger things to hang out about, like, there's more common ground.

• 51:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I hear you, and you're definitely not wrong about that. But there is something about the human psyche. The human psyche is incredibly complex. So, take my mother in laws. So, shout out to these ladies, married to each other. So, Lisa's mom is married to an incredible woman. They are two of my favorite people on planet Earth. But they also have a big age gap. And my mom and her husband essentially have a big age gap. And so my mom's dating a younger guy and my mother in laws or my mom's married to a younger guy. And my mother in law is married to a younger woman. And so it's like, yeah, they for whatever reason, and I mean, look, none of them are young.

• 52:02Tom Bilyeu?

  The youngest among them is whatever 52, but it wasn't always the case. They've been together for, you know, whatever 25 years. So at one point like it was pretty like, ooh, like, hey, people's eyebrows go up on that one. But it is their equals partners. Clearly like they intellectually engage each other. In the beginning, it would have been interesting to have known that side of their relationship better to see like, like where the connection was. But I mean, they've always been great together and so. Do you think that's the exception or do you think that's the rule? I think that it is.

• 52:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Anytime a relationship is successful, you're already in exception territory. So take that for what it's worth.

• 52:52Tom Bilyeu?

  I am like you where I would, I would feel super weird having sex with somebody that much younger than me. Like that would, I don't know, I'm older than you, so maybe it's even weirder for me, but that would be weird. I far, I much prefer having an intellectual connection first. I'm not saying it's bad if there isn't one, I'm just saying it's better if there is one. But I'm well aware of the graph that shows that women tend to find a man attractive. That's like, I think two years younger to two years older. So they've got this four year window that travels with them based on their age. So it's pretty exceptional for a woman to be like, oh, I'm sleeping with somebody that much younger than me.

• 53:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Not that it doesn't happen, it's just typical that a woman has somebody pretty close to them. Whereas guys, no matter how old they are, they find a 22 year old attractive. So that's from where I'm sitting, that's just evolution. So I don't find it weird that people want to have sex with somebody that is in their. Early twenties, like that's again, just from an evolutionary standpoint. So I don't know when that became like, oh, he's a creep. That's gross. It's like, take your beef up with God. Like, that's just how this played out. So on that front, like, I get that. But I often wonder, am I just a hyper responder? Cause there are two neurochemicals that play a role in bonding. Vasopressin and oxytocin.

• 54:20Tom Bilyeu?

  And Dr. Amen, who does brain scans, is like, you can scan somebody's brain and see how many vasopressin receptors they have. And he was like, I won't let my daughter date somebody that doesn't have a high amount of vasopressin receptors. Because when you have that, you're more likely to be faithful. And I was like, any money, I have like, all the vasopressin receptors in the world. So like, I'm, I really get a reward out of bonding with my wife. And so it's like, if you don't have that, am I really gonna judge then that for you, the far bigger draw is sexual? No. And as a woman, if that's not your thing, am I really gonna have a beef that your far bigger draw is resources?

• 55:01Tom Bilyeu?

  No. And this is why it's so common to see older, established, financially successful men with younger women. And there is a, I'll call it an equal exchange. He's getting your youth and beauty, and you're getting his wealth and maturity. And it's like, cool. If you guys are interested in making that exchange, I've got no beef with that whatsoever. I take a really sort of evolutionary approach to all of this. So I don't find that stuff weird. I don't think they're wired like me. For me, it's always been about sharing my life with my wife. And I love that we found each other when we were young. I love that we've grown up together. Like, that's been truly the greatest joy of my life.

• 55:40Tom Bilyeu?

  So, but it's like, if people aren't wired like me, then I don't expect them to get the same, like, physiological. Push in that direction that I get.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Hmm. So if they don't have as many vasopressin receptors, like you said.

• 55:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, then for them, like they're not feeling what I'm feeling. Like to this day, I've been with my wife for 25 years. To this day, if we work together, we live together. And if I walk into a room that I'm not expecting her to be in, I get like a burst of dopamine. And I'm like, that is surreal that all these years later. And admittedly, I've gone out of my way to train that into myself, to reinforce that in myself, to remind myself how happy I am to see her. To embody the enthusiasm every time so that that becomes the easy sensation to have, just because I've hardwired it. But nonetheless, I was building on top of a response that was already there.

• 56:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And if you don't have that, and I mean, look, shout out to my grandpa. My grandfather, who I never met because he died when my dad was six months old, because he was 44 years older than my grandmother. This is not something that is like, oh, I just can't imagine like how that could ever be. My grandma, I think, was friends with my grandfather's daughters. And that's how she ended up meeting him. So it's like super scandalous because this was back in the, what would this been? My dad was born in 47, so this would have been in the 40s.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:10Tom Bilyeu?

  So like super scandalous. So I'm, I'm in way too glass of a house, Drew.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 57:16Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm not gonna be throwing a lot of rocks.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  I completely get that. And my parents have a huge age gap. And I guess that's why I realized that as they got older, they have kind of split in certain directions. Where my dad is kind of older man and my mom is kind of getting into her second wind post menopause, ready to kind of bounce around type thing. So I'm seeing.

• 57:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Are they still together?

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Yes, but.

• 57:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Ish.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're together. They're still married. They're still in the same house, but they're not like a loving couple. Like they're not like example. There's not like a hallmark card. So I kind of see that like, okay, it might've worked at this range, but then at this age of the spectrum, it kind of falls and it can get a little rocky.

• 57:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, I mean, now we're open up Pandora's box. So something like 71 to 73%, I forget the exact figure, but it's one of those two. Of women who get divorced.

• 58:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Post, I forget what age, site, perimenopause is the reason that I wanted to get, I wanted to divorce my husband. And so literally, I went to Lisa and was like, hey, I keep seeing this stat over and over. And speak up early and often because hormones, you can't play with it. Like, I know if I wanted to, when I was in my twenties, dude, like sex twice a day was like minimum. Like just mandatory standard if we were on vacation, my poor wife. And now, hell no. Like, that's way too much. And, but I know, all I have to do is take testosterone and get it back, just like that.

• 58:48Tom Bilyeu?

  It's just hormones. And so when your hormones change, there's, there's no like muscling through. It's just you're, you're fundamentally different. This is why I don't understand people that say they have free will or whatever. I'm just like, what? You're a chemical processing plant. And if you're not processing the right chemicals, you are going to feel different, act different, think different, all of it. And so humans being able to stay together for those extraordinary long periods of time. And honestly, Drew, if I'm looking at evolution, for the most part, man was dead by the time the woman went through perimenopause. That's why she went through perimenopause. It was like, she was gonna go into grandma phase. The guy was dead. He got killed, war, hunting, whatever. And she was gonna-

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Life expectancy was forty-five.

• 59:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I mean, thirty-five. She was gonna go do her thing, the whole grandmother hypothesis. So this is why men stay fertile till they die and women don't, because women are the accumulators of wisdom, because men were just so likely to die.

• 59:49Tom Bilyeu?

  And we don't have that now. And so women might live, you know, maybe a handful of years more than a guy, but it's not like. And admittedly, I don't have the data to back up that it would be that big of a difference, but putting sort of two and two together, that feels like a pretty legitimate read on the situation. So. I think to navigate that change well, regardless of how old your dad is, was probably going to be tough. Like Lisa and I have to talk about this a lot. We've got to manage her hormones. Like, we've got to think about that a lot. And so if we didn't have the bedrock of like, communication, also honestly, going through her gut issues prepped us for

• 1:00:30Tom Bilyeu?

  hormonal dysregulation, doing hard things together as it relates to health, both paying attention to what's going on, me getting engaged. So anyway, if you're not prepared for that stuff, I get why the woman just feels different. She's like, I don't want to deal with this anymore. And then the guy's on his own, you know, his own space, and they just go in separate directions.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you gave me this stat, like, that happens even for younger people, like, when women get off the pill, they're changing men change or something like that, too.

• 1:00:58Tom Bilyeu?

  When a woman's on the pill, she prefers a softer-featured man who's slightly edging towards feminine. And when she's off the pill, so she's actually ovulating, then she prefers more rugged jaw. I don't want to say aggressive, because that's me sort of painting it with a broader brush than it really is. But they start going towards more traditionally masculine men. It is absolutely fascinating. What it says is, when I want to get pregnant, I'm going after the toughest, most alpha guy that I can find. But once I am pregnant, then I need somebody who's going to be a caretaker, who's going to help me with this kid. That is fascinating. And I mean, you know how I feel about the clitoris being on the outside.

• 1:01:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, this is a very complex game, Drew. I don't think it is a, I've got a man, we mate, we have a baby, we raise it together. I have a feeling it's a little more complicated than that.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot more into it. All right, let's go into outer space for a little bit.

• 1:01:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's do it.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Okay, there's a mysterious object. This is the third discovered interstellar object ever in history. There was one in 2017, one in 2019, and now this one in 2025. Scientists are arguing right now, this Twitter page says it's an alien ship. NASA has named it a comet, but all we know is that it is coming really, really fast. It will enter into our solar system, it will pass Earth. It's about a million miles away, so we might not see it or it won't actually touch us, but it's on its way and it's coming. Um, give me your like most tinfoil theory.

• 1:02:27Tom Bilyeu?

  A thousand percent, this was launched by somebody in the Epstein list to make sure that it came right when we're supposed to see the files, Drew. I'm telling you right now, this is, you want tinfoil hat, baby.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  The lizard people took Epstein to a different universe. And then they found out about the list, they was like, hold on, we gotta go back, we're going back to Earth, we gotta go get it real quick.

• 1:02:46Tom Bilyeu?

  They, they've gotta see us, like, we, we need a distraction, we need a distraction. Uh, honestly, I have no idea, this isn't gonna be cool. I want it to be cool desperately.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I really want it to be cool too.

• 1:02:56Tom Bilyeu?

  But it's going to be a big rock, or a comet, or something really boring. Uh, and listen, that's better than something colliding with us, so I don't want to complain too much. But like, man, do I want there to be something just undeniable proof that there are aliens. I am admittedly, I'm convinced that there are aliens, but I'm convinced that as we become technologically advanced, that we collapse into simulations, we don't try to explore space. It just, it's so hard. So, I mean, I don't know, Elon is really pushing to prove me wrong on that one, but, um.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  By going to Mars, or?

• 1:03:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, but my instinct is that it's so much less risky to go inside of a simulation. And you can do so much cooler stuff. So unless, I mean, this ship does not seem to prove that you bend space and time, because they're just traveling. Uh, so in fact, that's another reason, this isn't gonna be cool for that reason alone. Like, they would just show up, like, if you can travel interstellar distances, then you would just

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you have to be, you have to be fast.

• 1:04:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Boink, I'm here, hi! And then you would peace out. Uh, if you're in a ship traveling, I mean, how many millions of years have they been traveling? Crazy.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Um, so you think that somewhere in the universe, there is another society like us, more advanced than us. They have people, they have technology and instead of building super rockets and things like that, they're like, uh, let's put on a headset.

• 1:04:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Guaranteed. There's no way that you, either this is a simulation and it's, everything else is just running.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:33Tom Bilyeu?

  For us and they're just watching us and everything else is just for like, the physical world just replicates because it's a set of rules. Like again, going back to being a game designer, you realize very quickly, oh, you just create a set of rules and then amazing complexity is born of a very simple set of rules. It's insane. So I could see if this is a simulation, that they simulate the entire universe. They only render what we look at and it's really just to like, give the context for life to grow.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:05:05Tom Bilyeu?

  And once you set those physical rules, then the universe can't help but come into existence.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:05:11Tom Bilyeu?

  But you don't necessarily, like if life is a switch that you flip in the simulation to say, okay, and now this thing happens. Cause as far as I know, we still don't know, like even if you've got all the nucleotides and all that, like how do they come together and start forming DNA and replicating and all that? Like I, it is my understanding that remains a mystery. So that's entirely possible. But if this really is just, no, no, no, like we came into existence, um, I have to imagine as we map more and more planets. Cause at first it was like, maybe there are no other planets. Oh, wait, there's a gazillion planets. Okay. But maybe none of them are in the habitable zone. Okay. Actually there's trillions in the habitable zone.

• 1:05:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. But maybe none of the ones in the habitable zone actually have water. Okay. No, wait, there's billion, hundreds of billions. And so you're like, okay, hold on a second. So all of a sudden you're like, and that's just the visible universe. We have no reason to believe that the visible universe is the whole universe. And so, yeah, I just cannot fathom a world in which this is not like, there's life. It's just, we're so far apart.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, we don't use the same forms of communication. We are at different times in our development. Um, they coll... inward and so or just like the dark forest principle of like you don't tell anybody that you're there because PS if you're a native American I bet you wish you could have hit America so it's like you don't want people being like oh word you're a blue planet we'd like to come see how things are going or hey just like we wiped out virtually all native Americans all Mexicans with smallpox it's like imagine an alien rolling up with diseases we've never seen before and just punk whole planet gone and so it's entirely possible that people can do interstellar travel and don't for that reason or they become so technologically advanced they

• 1:06:59Tom Bilyeu?

  interstellar travel but they're like it's just everybody knows it's a hands-off policy you never enter the atmosphere or whatever yeah and to your point it's like a lottery ticket one in a million chance we have three billion galaxies or something whatever like that so yeah there's definitely one two three four five somewhere somewhere for sure okay last week we had the meme of the week it was the aura farming Indonesian writer the kid with the black sunglasses I'm gonna play that this week we have this Peter Thiel skit okay so if you're just listening this is a as Drew said this is a Peter Thiel skit it's his assistant supposedly watching him in a New

• 1:07:40Tom Bilyeu?

  York Times interview and with that take it away all right Peter you've been doing great so far just some layup questions ahead and let's bring this home you I think you would you would prefer the human race to endure right uh no way you're hesitating well I yes I don't know I I would yeah yes the answer is yes this is a long hesitation this is a long hesitation there's so many questions in place in this should the human race survive do you have a pause for a sec this this is bananas now I know he's transhuman he's gonna explain it in a minute but like when you're asked that question there is only one answer it's like baby do you love me do you think I'm

• 1:08:24Tom Bilyeu?

  beautiful do I like that in this yeah do you want humanity to endure like these are the easy questions like Thousand percent. I consider myself transhumanist. Do I want the human species to endure? Yes, like, yes. So if some people choose to go the path that he's gonna talk about in a second, being able to grow your own organs, make yourself resistant to solar radiation, so that you could travel the cosmos, whatever, great. But do you want the human species to endure? Yes, yes, it would. Yes, please. This is hilarious.

• 1:09:01Speaker 09

  Yes. The only answer is yes.

• 1:09:04Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:09:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Great.

• 1:09:05Speaker 10

  But

• 1:09:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Fuck.

• 1:09:05Speaker 10

  I also would like us to radically solve these problems.

• 1:09:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 1:09:09Speaker 10

  And so, you know,

• 1:09:10Tom Bilyeu?

  What is he talking about?

• 1:09:12Speaker 10

  Yeah, transhumanism. Human natural body gets transformed into an immortal body. And there's a critique of, let's say, the trans people in a sexual context, or, I don't know, transvestite is someone who changes their clothes and cross

• 1:09:30Tom Bilyeu?

  He sounds like a lunatic. I love Peter Thiel. He's amazing, but he sounds like a lunatic.

• 1:09:34Speaker 10

  We want you to be able to change your heart and change your mind, your whole body.

• 1:09:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And they sneak off camera. That's great. Whoever that guy is, that's funny.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  He was a transvestite. That's why I kept watching, like, wait, what? What was the question? How did we get here?

• 1:09:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is hilarious. All right, that's all I got.

• 1:09:50Tom Bilyeu?

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