Ep. 669: MeatEater Radio Live! Bloated Gators, Feral Apples, and The Price is Right

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Ryan Callaghan, and Cory Calkins commiserate over NWTF travel woes, talk bloated gators with Kim Titterington of of Swamp Girl Adventures Reptile Rehab, come on down for another edition of MeatEater Radio's The Price is Right, race for smelt in 1-Minute Fishing with Christi Holmes, get some listener submitted hot tips, and search for lost apples with David Benscoter. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:38Speaker 03

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to MeatEater Trivia. MeatEater Podcast.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time on Thursday, February 27th, and we're live from MeatEater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Spencer Neuharth, joined today by Ryan Callaghan and Corey Cawkins. On today's show, we'll interview Kim Titterington about sick, bloated alligators in Florida, then we'll play The Price is Right, followed by One Minute Fishing with Kristy Holmes in Maine. After that, we've got a hot tip-off about recycled tent tarps and dip can wind indicators. And finally, we'll talk to David Ben Scotter about hunting for lost varieties of apples. But first, Cal, Corey, I think we need to debrief on our travel home from the NWTF

• 3:44Speaker 04

  convention. It was sort of an adventure for all three of us.

• 3:46Speaker 05

  Oh, flying in the winter is always an adventure. I really dislike traveling through the air. I don't mind airplanes, but airports, trying to get your connection, it's just a headache.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Cal, let's start with you. We had an Uber leaving the hotel for us three and Yanni. What time was it? 5:30 a.m.?

• 4:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Cal was nowhere to be seen, calling his phone, trying to find someone at the front desk to tell us what room you were in. I even called the hotel. Nobody answered at the hotel. So we could just like compound on your door. Cal was nowhere to be seen. Cal, what happened?

• 4:18Speaker 06

  First thing that we need to address is I think either Phil actually has volume in my headset for the first time in a long time, or your announcer voice is just getting so much better every day.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  The second one, the second one.

• 4:31Speaker 06

  Leaps and leaps and bounds.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 4:32Speaker 06

  Leaps and bounds. I missed the first flight of my entire life.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  Really?

• 4:36Speaker 06

  Oh, that was the first time I've ever missed a flight. And I'll tell you, in the past, in my, my wilder days, I had plenty of excuses to miss flights.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Just a little sleepy this time.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  Well, I don't, I, I woke up like an hour before, as you do, like if you're, you're anxious traveler, right? I woke up an hour before the alarm was supposed to go off.

• 5:01Speaker 06

  We had another big day in Salt Lake City.

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 5:03Speaker 06

  So I was like, I'm gonna try to sleep this extra hour. And had just like the whole anxiety dream thing of like, you're gonna miss your flight, you're gonna miss your flight. And then I was like, I have an alarm set, the normal thing. And then I was like, by God, my flight is boarding right now as I got out of bed, no alarm.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 5:22Speaker 06

  Right? Um, but I made it to the airport in time to see you guys take off.

• 5:30Speaker 04

  That's special.

• 5:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, because we were delayed because there was lightning, there was lightning on the runway. So we were probably 30 minutes delayed.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  I felt extra bad, Cal pulling away in that Uber because you saved me in Philadelphia, coming home from the live tour because I was a sleepyhead, uh, had too much champagne the night before for celebrating the end of the live tour.

• 5:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 04

  Uh, and I woke up to Cal pounding on my hotel room door.

• 5:54Speaker 06

  Wasn't gonna leave a man behind.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Get up, let's go, we gotta go, we gotta go. Uh, and Cal saved me from missing a flight after a very long week on the road or 10 days on the road.

• 6:04Speaker 06

  They're literally on the road in the tour bus.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  And I couldn't return the favor for you.

• 6:08Speaker 06

  I'm devastated. Believe me, uh, that popped into my head. And when I saw the text from Spencer, I was like, I'm not even gonna bring it up.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  I was thinking about it the whole time, Cal. I was, I was trying to do everything I could to wake you up.

• 6:21Speaker 07

  Oh. I've heard, I've heard a recounting of this story and in the story Spencer is just silent. Like, like you just kind of walked down, walked into the elevator, walked out of the lobby, just didn't say anything to anybody.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Boy, I, I felt bad. I was holding up an Uber outside the hotel. And then because of this lightning delay, Corey, uh, you were running through an airport.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think I had a 50 minute layover and then we were 30 to 40 minutes delayed. So Yanni and I were on the same flight. Cal, you were supposed to be on that one.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  The red flash is what people. Called you two moving through the airport so quickly getting to that next flight.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  I was walking, making it, had to pee, so certainly had to make that pit stop. And then I looked down at my watch and realized I need to run the last probably quarter mile all the way to the very end of the terminal and the lady's like, are you Corey? I'm like, yep. She's like, you better hurry up.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  Whoa. You don't want to hear your name said at an airport.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  No, definitely not. I like the, yeah.

• 7:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's, it's the, the whole thing like air, air travel is just not, there's, there's, you know, there's plenty of anxiety and, and then you're signing up to sit and like recycle the germ and fart filled tube for hours. Trying your best not to make too much physical contact with strangers next to you.

• 7:37Speaker 04

  My adventure didn't start until we were about to land. We were coming into Bozeman. We're dropping into the runway and the wheels hit the runway for about one or two seconds. And then the pilot hits the throttle and pulls the nose up and we go back into the air. Uh, and everyone in the airplane was very confused. Folks are looking around each other and, and nobody like panicked. But you could tell there were folks that were like on the verge of panicking. If it would have started somewhere else in the, in the airplane, uh, it would have been a chain reaction. So nobody knew what was happening. And about a minute later, the pilot comes on, uh, the, the speaker and he says that, sorry folks, uh,

• 8:17Speaker 04

  we had a wind shear at the last second there that, uh, was gonna, was gonna prevent us from landing. So we had to pull her back up. We're going to circle around and try this again. And so then 10 minutes later, they, they don't just go up in the air a little bit. They like get way up again in altitude. Uh, and he circles back and we come in and we, we have a, a safe, normal landing. But he said, we had a wind shear, which is like a gust of wind that, that totally affected the plane and made it unsafe. But there was no wind that day. I looked on my phone. It was one mile per hour wind. And so then I was on my phone also reading about like, what, what's this mean? It's called an aborted landing. Um, and I had read a pilot's account saying that they have no obligation to actually tell you what.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  But that's like a common excuse. It's either the runway wasn't clear or there was a wind shear. But sometimes it's just they're coming in too hot and they made a mistake and they got to lift off again to try it a second time. I didn't even know that was an option in airplane travel and especially with all the recent news. That was genuinely scary.

• 9:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, we had just like a shaky flight coming back because we flew the day after, you know, that collision and the plane went down the Hudson, which was, you know, horrific. And.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Was it the Hudson or the?

• 9:39Speaker 06

  Was it Potomac? Yeah. So, yeah, sorry, Potomac. That was a different plane in the Hudson. But anyway, yeah, folks, you know, it was just like what to me is like a very normal winter flying amount of turbulence. And I had multiple people comment on like, boy, people were very nervous.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 9:58Speaker 06

  Very nervous.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  But we made it here today to host Media to Radio Live. All right, let's get on the show. Joining us on the line first is Kim Titterington, the founder of Swamp Girl Adventures Reptile Rehab. Kim, welcome to the show.

• 10:13Speaker 07

  Hi. Thanks for having me.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you. First thing, tell us about the types of animals and injuries you work with at your rehab facility.

• 10:22Speaker 07

  So I specifically work with reptiles and amphibians. So that's turtles, tortoises, snakes, alligators, lizards, frogs, toads, you know, all those fun things.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  And what's in your rehab facility right now?

• 10:36Speaker 07

  Um, we have a couple of gators. We have a couple of snakes and I have quite a few turtles and tortoises because that's really what we get the most of.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  And what is like the most normal injury that you deal with?

• 10:51Speaker 07

  Typically, it's from either hit by car. So car strikes are the most often. But then our second one to that is actually dog attacks on turtles and tortoises, believe it or not. So that's our. Second one, so we get a lot of both of those.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Okay, and do you have any of your clients around that you could show us for the interview today?

• 11:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, I actually, I have a gopher tortoise here, let me grab. Um, this is gopher tortoise and you're gonna see he's got some, some stuff going on here. Uh, this is called the hooks and wire method, so it's not permanent. It's, um, basically, it's kind of the same stuff as they use for nail acrylic. Helps keep the little clasps on and that reduces and supports the fracture. So that it has time to heal. So this poor guy, he was hit by a car, but he's, he's doing a good job healing right now with those fractures.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Okay, and is the end goal then to have him released back into the wild?

• 11:46Speaker 07

  Correct, yep. As soon as he's done, you know, with all of his rehabilitation, he'll go back to the area he was found. Obviously not in the middle of the street where he was found, but the, as close by safely to the area he was found.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  Well, he's looking healthy right now. I think you're doing a good job, Kim. Uh, what's the rarest animal that you've had at your facility?

• 12:05Speaker 07

  Um, the rarest would actually be the eastern indigo snake. And, um, they are federally protected by law. They're very rare, um, throughout their whole eastern range. But, um, I've actually received two into care, which is pretty rare.

• 12:20Speaker 04

  And what was going on with those snakes that they had to come to you?

• 12:24Speaker 07

  So one, the first one was actually had been hit with some lawn equipment and, uh, and survived. It was, you know, some nasty scars were going on there, but that one survived. And then the second one was actually a zip tie that the snake had crawled through and then obviously it couldn't come off. So it was literally cutting into the flesh and had been there for quite some time. But that one was also successfully rehabbed and released.

• 12:47Speaker 04

  And what's your favorite rehab success story from Swamp Girl Adventures?

• 12:53Speaker 07

  Uh, you know, there's a ton of them, but one that stands out that I feel like is the most unusual and, uh, just is actually pretty rewarding was uh, one where we had a golf, a snake had swallowed a golf ball. And so the golf ball, yeah, the golf ball had to be surgically removed because it had been in there so long. It was adhering to the stomach lining, so it had to be a surgery. We couldn't like just, you know, push it out. But, um, the surgery was a success and the snake was released. So that was probably one of the most unusual but rewarding.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Is it safe to assume that snake thought he was eating an egg?

• 13:26Speaker 07

  Correct. Yeah, a lot of people will actually use golf balls or false eggs in their, in with their chickens. And that helps kind of keep them, I guess, from going off into other places and keeping the eggs in one spot. But then I've also heard that people will put golf balls in there or fake eggs because then when snakes come, they end up, you know, not being able to digest it and will die later, which is kind of cruel because that's a long nasty death. But, um, but yeah, that's.

• 13:54Speaker 06

  Do you feel appreciated by your clientele?

• 13:58Speaker 07

  Um, you know, even though they're reptiles, you know, I think that a lot of times I get some that they realize, okay, this person's just kind of helping me out. I'm just going to chill. But then, you know, I have those that, that they don't, they're just like, just stop touching me. I don't care. Just go away.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  Now, the big reason I want to talk to you, Kim, uh, is about this bloated gator phenomenon that you've been documenting in Florida. Can you tell us about that?

• 14:23Speaker 07

  Yeah. So back, uh, some of the first reports that went into, um, FWC were actually back in 2023. And after that, it just kind of seemed like people had seen them, but nobody really said anything or the reports weren't going through, whatever the reason, it kind of just fell off the radar. Um, so just this year, um, all of a sudden, you know, I was getting guys of reptile rehabber, people are like, hey, well, can you help? And I'm like, oh, all right. Well, sure. You know, let me, you know, go take a look. And we captured the first one, um, and which you can kind of see on the screen now. And she definitely was severely bloated, extremely emaciated. Um, and then not even three days later, I got a call about another one in a completely different part of the state.

• 15:08Speaker 07

  It in all the same, bloated, very emaciated. Um, so this is something that is, seems to be on the uprise, or at least we're hearing more about it now that people know to look. Um, but definitely a concern.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  And Phil is showing us some photos of these bloated gators. And when I say bloated, I mean, like, uh, they look like a balloon. They look wildly uncomfortable.

• 15:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, this, this current photo is like two, like oversized beach balls coming out of each side of the gator. Like, like it swallowed a cartoon dumbbell.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Kim, do you have a hypothesis for what's causing these gators to get so bloated and ultimately die?

• 15:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, so it's one thing we were able to rule out is that there was not a physical blockage. Like a lot of people like, oh, it ate a ball, or you know, maybe it's a plastic bag or something like that. We were able to rule that out on both these cases. Sadly, both of them did pass away. What you're seeing here on x-ray is what we first saw, and it looks like a lot of stones, but what they're called is fecaliths. And it's basically when the feces turns to stone. So the feces had been in the stomach, not moving or passing for so long, possibly even up to a year with this one particular case. And then gas just starts to build up in the colon. And so on necropsy, we found that the basically their

• 16:30Speaker 07

  colons were just, you know, all distended with these fecaliths.

• 16:35Speaker 04

  And have you heard of this happening in other states or other countries?

• 16:40Speaker 07

  Um, not really. Usually when something happens like that, they're they contribute it to a piece of litter or something that's incidental. But at this point, we're seeing these cases throughout the state. And we just cannot seem to find a common denominator yet. Some of the symptoms like we're seeing here were common, like the fecaliths and those build up and then the gas. So the progression of the disease, but it's actual cause. We have a ton of labs out right now. We're just waiting on results. And we're going to be doing a lot more testing here this coming year on various gators as well throughout the state.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  And Phil is showing us an x-ray there of one of those blowed gators. That's wild. Most of the folks listening to this show were hunters and anglers who spend a lot of time outside. So how can we be better stewards of the land and help out the reptiles and amphibians that you work with?

• 17:31Speaker 07

  I think the biggest thing is, you know, picking up after yourself. I actually, one of the things is one of the x-rays that I had also sent you, that gator had a lead toxicosis as well. And that was because the gator swallowed a lead weight from fishing. Now, was that the actual cause? Probably not, because it seems like we're finding blowed gators that don't have lead toxicosis. It's just that was an added thing. So that's something that we see a lot in both like aquatic turtles. And alligators, any animal that might ingest something like that accidentally through fishing moors or, or, you know, things that were disposed improperly and they pick it up out of the environment. So I think those are the biggest things. And then the next thing is awareness. You know, just be aware if someone's looking for reports, like say

• 18:15Speaker 07

  we are on, on sick gators or sick turtles. Um, if you see something that just doesn't seem right and you see it happen often, go ahead and report it. Um, you could be the first one who's noticing that there's a problem and people need to research it. So if you are out there, that's one of the best things you can do is just be aware and, and help make those reports and observations.

• 18:35Speaker 04

  Now, Kim's rehab facility is a nonprofit that relies on donations. Uh, you can support her project by going to swampgirladventures.org. Kim, thanks for joining us and thanks for doing the work that you do.

• 18:48Speaker 07

  Not a problem. Thanks for having me.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  It's a good reminder for everyone, pick up, uh, after yourself when you're out in the woods.

• 18:55Speaker 05

  Absolutely. Man, I'm not going to complain. Next time I have one, too many hazy IPAs and feel a little bloated.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  Those, those gators look so wildly uncomfortable.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  Man.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  And then you see the x-ray of the blockage. Um, that's next level stuff.

• 19:09Speaker 06

  It is. Yeah, that was shocking.

• 19:11Speaker 04

  All right. Our next segment is The Price is Right.

• 19:16Speaker 06

  Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana. Meat Eater Radio's most exciting 15 minutes. It's The Price is Right.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:27Speaker 06

  Ryan Callaghan, come on down.

• 19:32Speaker 06

  Corey Kalkins, come on down.

• 19:35Speaker 04

  His second appearance. All right.

• 19:37Speaker 06

  You're the first two contestants on Meat Eaters. Meat Eater Radio's The Price is Right. Now here's your host, Spencer Neuharth.

• 19:47Speaker 04

  Wow, Phil. That was Cal's first time seeing that performance. I think he's impressed.

• 19:53Speaker 06

  I, yeah, I feel, I actually feel special.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  Oh, good.

• 19:56Speaker 06

  That's amazing. That's the idea.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  Now, this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the Meat Eater Universe, and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout out from Phil. All right. There are five products for today's show. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid.

• 20:29Speaker 06

  Well, how would you like to scare every man, woman, child, and beast who enters your home? Well, we've got just the thing for you. This brown bear is a half-body mount that hangs on your wall. It's posed with its arms extended out as though it's getting sucked into a portal or is about to sack a quarterback. And the owner says he'll cut you a deal if you also buy his javelina shoulder mount or shark jaw.

• 20:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, this beautiful piece of taxidermy is located in West Houston and was listed on Craigslist 10 days ago. Now you need to guess its price. Phil is now showing us some photos of this half-mount taxidermied brown bear. Again, I found this on Craigslist in Houston.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  Texas.

• 21:09Speaker 04

  Houston, Texas. That's right.

• 21:11Speaker 05

  It's not half-bad.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is one of those things like, uh, do you have, uh, one of those roadside attraction type shops? Then it's worth some money.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 21:21Speaker 06

  Uh, do you live in an apartment in New York City?

• 21:24Speaker 04

  Well, you can sort of get a glimpse into this person's home. You see, uh, a fella there with some suspenders on.

• 21:30Speaker 06

  Oh, he's a suspenders guy.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  Might be trustworthy and honest. Brent Reeves sitting in the background of this photo. Uh, and we've got a few pictures here of this half-body mount of a brown bear in Houston, Texas.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  Man, is he trying to get rid of it or is he trying to make some money?

• 21:47Speaker 04

  It was listed 10 days ago.

• 21:48Speaker 05

  That's hot.

• 21:49Speaker 04

  So factor that into, uh, your calculation. Again, you can't go over. If you both go over, you'll be told to try again.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  Cal really likes his answer.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  Really? You ready, Cory?

• 22:00Speaker 05

  I'm ready now.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  You ready, Cal? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying $75 and 1 cent. And we have Cory saying, what's that say, Cory?

• 22:12Speaker 05

  Uh, $1,450.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  $1,400 with an comma so big that it looks like a 7. Cory saying $1,450.

• 22:22Speaker 05

  That's pretty good on the screen.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  That's a big swing between you two. Now, Cal, was that a safe answer or do you think it's actually like an $80 item? Were you just trying to go under?

• 22:31Speaker 03

  No, I mean, we all know that taxidermy like is the most valuable to the person that got the critter or somebody related, right? And so then it like devalues greatly beyond that.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Unless you're like a curio person, right? Or like, I want to have a weird hip VRBO.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  That would fit into one of those nights. We have Cal saying seventy-five dollars, Corey saying fourteen hundred dollars. The correct answer is nine hundred fifty dollars, giving Cal the first point of the day. Phil, how does the chat do?

• 23:05Speaker 06

  Fast math. Well, we have three people get it right on the money. Cody, Canadian Hunter, and Ian McKenzie said nine fifty.

• 23:12Speaker 04

  Well done, Cody, Canadian Hunter, and Ian McKenzie. We trust that you're not Googling this.

• 23:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 06

  I don't know if we should trust that.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  You're not, uh, we remove where you found the item from your next, next question.

• 23:27Speaker 06

  That's pretty quick Googling, though.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  That, you know what? If they got it that fast to put it in the chat for Phil to find that, they earned it.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  Sure. Well, don't listen to that, kids. Cheating's wrong.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  All right, Phil, tell us about the second item up for bid.

• 23:40Speaker 06

  Ooh. Sure thing. Well, your, your living room with the taxidermied brown bear won't be complete until you bring home this camouflage sofa from Cabela's. Snuggle up for a meat eater marathon with the whole family on this best home furnishing outdoorsman sofa. The entire thing is wrapped in mossy oak breakup camo, making it impossible to spot whatever stains you might create. This seven foot sofa doubles as a recliner, allowing you to kick your feet up and relax after a long day of being a redneck.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Hell yeah, Phil, and that camo sofa has a perfect five star rating from six reviews on Cabela's dot com.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  What are those people sitting on? They're just floating there.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Wow, yeah. You sure think so. All right, Cal and Corey, what do you think that elegant piece of furniture costs? Don't flip over your answers quite yet. Hold on now.

• 24:26Speaker 05

  Ask us.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  Well, I'm like prompting you to write it down. Uh, but we, we got some time to, uh, you know, banter and allow you guys to think, uh, long and hard about what your answer is. This Give the chat a little time to look it up. Foley camo. When I say fully camo, this, there's not a square inch of this sofa that is not covered in, uh, the mossy oak breakup infinity.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  If you wear the same pattern, all that's going to show is your face.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  So you could, you could take this thing turkey hunting and then you just wear the mossy oak.

• 24:56Speaker 06

  Okay, we've got people who are definitely Googling in the chat. So I don't know. I, I don't know who to trust anymore.

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. Are you boys ready?

• 25:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Sure. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Cal saying four hundred, four hundred five dollars. And we've got Corey saying eight hundred fifty dollars. The correct answer is one thousand four hundred forty nine dollars, giving Corey our second point. All right, Phil, tell us about the cheaters in the chat.

• 25:26Speaker 06

  Well, we had, we had one person get it, get it right on the fourteen forty nine up here. I don't even want to call people out. I don't trust anybody. Shut, shut the whole thing down.

• 25:34Speaker 04

  Uh, did, did they put ninety nine cents afterwards?

• 25:37Speaker 06

  They did not, but who's going to guess fourteen forty nine unless they looked it up? We had some people guess fourteen fifty and a couple of people in the thirteen hundreds. I'm, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Uh, but, um, no, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  All right, cheaters.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  I mean, retail. I'll tell you right now, retail pricing is just not something I'm familiar with.

• 25:55Speaker 06

  Ryan Kimbrel said fourteen ninety nine, ninety nine. He's got three of them.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  Got three of them. Awesome, Ryan. I love that. And, uh, I'm sorry for writing that mean line about, um, kicking your feet up after a long day of being a redneck. I bet you're a good guy.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  We need to go back to used pricing. That's something I'm, I'm familiar with.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  I bet I could find one of these sofas on Craigslist somewhere in the nation.

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• 29:11Speaker 04

  All right, Phil, tell us about the third item up for bid.

• 29:14Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, give me one sec while I get everything lined up here. I'd love to.

• 29:20Speaker 06

  Oh, where's the music? Hey, there it is. Hey, if you're looking for a movie marathon to watch from your new camo sofa, or three, how about reaching for all 41 DVDs from Drury Outdoors? That's right, the big butt killers over at Drury Outdoors have dozens of DVDs for sale on their website with titles ranging from Whitetail Madness 12 to Whitetail's Extreme 4, all the way to Whitetail Obsession 7. These videos will give you hundreds of kill shots, thousands of inches of antler, and endless opportunities to ask yourself, what the hell am I going to do with 41 hunting DVDs?

• 29:51Speaker 04

  Well, Phil, I'd hope those DVDs come with a time machine because that's the only way I'm watching a movie from a disc. Cal and Corey, what do you think those 41 Drury Outdoors DVDs cost?

• 30:04Speaker 05

  Where are we purchasing this now?

• 30:05Speaker 04

  From their website.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  On their website.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  Drury Outdoors, I think it's like store, if you want to buy these, store.druryoutdoors.com. You can buy all 41 of their available DVDs. Phil, when's the last time you bought a DVD?

• 30:18Speaker 05

  Act now, inventory's limited.

• 30:20Speaker 06

  Oh, man, well, I mean, if we're going to count 4K steel books, Spencer.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  I don't know what that means.

• 30:26Speaker 06

  You know, 4K is like H, super HD.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  But what is steelbook?

• 30:29Speaker 06

  But you know, you sometimes, well, back in the day, you used to buy like collectible steel books. It wasn't just a plastic case. It was like a nice metal thing.

• 30:38Speaker 05

  I've never heard of this, Phil.

• 30:40Speaker 06

  Oh, you've got to be more, you've got to listen to more movie podcasts, Cal.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  So the last time you bought a DVD is?

• 30:47Speaker 06

  It's been over a year. I don't, I, I'm really, I'm really bad. I, you'd think I'd be like a physical media forever guy. I'm just not, man. I'm too lazy. I just, everything's on digital now. Video games, movies, TV. It's, it's bad. I feel guilty.

• 30:58Speaker 04

  How many DVDs are in your home, you think?

• 31:00Speaker 06

  Oh, I've got a, I've got a couple hundred, but I haven't added to the collection in a, in a long, long time.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  Do your kids find that like, uh, like they're looking at a caveman when you grab one of those?

• 31:11Speaker 06

  Oh, 100%. Well, actually, no, because we've got a DVD player in our minivan.

• 31:15Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 31:15Speaker 06

  So they, they associate DVDs with this is what we can watch in the car. So they still would see, see, see a DVD in the store and say, well, I want to watch this in the car. So let's, let's pick.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  Cal does the same thing when he sees one of those.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  What type of minivan you rocking? All wheel drive?

• 31:28Speaker 06

  It's a Plymouth, uh, Montana or Pontiac, Montana.

• 31:31Speaker 04

  Ooh, maybe it'll show up on a future, uh, round of meeting your prices right. Corey, Cal, do you have your answers?

• 31:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. So is this the last one?

• 31:41Speaker 04

  No, we got five of these bad boys.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  All right.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Cal saying $49.99. Corey saying $29.99. Again, that's for the price of 41 Drury Outdoors DVDs.

• 31:58Speaker 06

  I'm assuming shipping is free.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  The correct answer is $61.09, giving Cal our third point to the game.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  You don't give away that big buck knowledge for nothing.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  A two to one lead.

• 32:11Speaker 06

  I feel like you could probably find those on YouTube.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  That's a dollar 49 per DVD.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Mark Kenyon's gonna get a nasty phone call from the Drury boys being like, Cory Calkins does not think much of us.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Hey, we just, I bet we sold their whole inventory. I'm, I'm being serious now. If I had a deer camp in like the Great Lakes region that didn't have like cell service and an old box TV sitting there with the DVD player, uh, you best bet.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  I feel so left out that you guys didn't invite me to a Drury DVD live this week.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  Yanni, grab yourself a whiteboard, put on a headset.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  What the hell, Spencer? I'm here and no invite?

• 32:49Speaker 04

  I thought you were recording a TV show today.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  Whoa, is that a fresh new lid? It is. I actually had Corey give it to me because I'm going to give it to a buddy of mine. Oh. Things sharp.

• 32:59Speaker 04

  Yanni, we're playing the Price is Right. We just had Corey and Cal.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  How long is it gonna take?

• 33:03Speaker 04

  You got about 10 minutes.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Alright, I'm in.

• 33:05Speaker 04

  Grab yourself a whiteboard and a marker. Cal has two points, Corey has one point. They just guessed the price of all 41 Drury Outdoors DVDs that are for sale on their website. What do you think that would cost?

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Total?

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Total, for all 41 DVDs. Of them killing big old giant whitetail bucks.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  If folks want to know something funny about Yannis, if his, the text on his, uh, screen, if the font gets any larger, he's gonna have to scroll for every sentence. Eight hundred fifty.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Eight hundred fifty dollars, uh, sixty one dollars and nine cents.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  What?

• 33:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  You can buy all of them in a package for...

• 33:41Speaker 04

  All forty one. You should have these at your hunting camp in Wisconsin.

• 33:44Speaker 06

  You just got a new customer, Drury Outdoors.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  No, well, we don't have televisions there.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 33:49Speaker 03

  Uh, by the way, Sean Pettit or Petit, guess sixty. I think that was the close.

• 33:53Speaker 04

  Sixty bucks. Well done, Sean. I bet you didn't Google that one.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Yes. Alright, Phil, tell us about the fourth item up for bid.

• 34:06Speaker 06

  Sorry to take me a while. Hey, if you're feeling inspired from those forty one Drury Outdoors DVDs, how about taking a trip to the Michigan Whitetail Hall of Fame? Conveniently located just off I-94 in the charming town of Grass Lake, Michigan, the museum is full of family fun. The Michigan Whitetail Hall of Fame features taxidermy of some of the state's biggest bucks, live deer that you can feed apples to, and an awe-inspiring collection of antique two-man chainsaws. The venue would also love to host your next special occasion, such as a wedding or family reunion.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  That's right, Phil, and the owners of the museum also have a tennis and pickleball court in the building, where they teach private lessons. But for now, you just need to guess the price of adult admission to the Michigan Whitetail Hall of Fame. Yanni, did you know this place existed?

• 34:51Speaker 03

  No, but I definitely want to go there.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  Okay, and as a Michigander, uh, give us a review of Grass Lake, Michigan. What do you know about that place?

• 34:58Speaker 03

  I don't know anything about Grass Lake. Never been there, never heard of it.

• 35:02Speaker 04

  On the men? I don't know. Someone in the chat will tell us what they think of Grass Lake and then uh, yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  I'm guessing it's near Detroit.

• 35:10Speaker 04

  So again, we need the price of admission for one adult to the Michigan Whitetail Hall of Fame. And Phil is showing us some photos of that Hall of Fame with those big old giant whitetail bucks, the live deer that you can feed and their uh, collection of antique two man chainsaws.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  Is it more or less than $10? I don't think it's over 20.

• 35:34Speaker 04

  Not giving you any hints, but if you do go over, it doesn't matter how close you are to the right answer. You're just disqualified.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 35:42Speaker 04

  If all three of you will go over, then you'll try again.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  You gotta be under, huh?

• 35:45Speaker 04

  You gotta be under. These are the prices, right?

• 35:46Speaker 03

  You gotta be under.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  That's not part of the admission. That's just like, hey, I got a whole day to kill in Grass Lake, Michigan. I'm gonna go feed these big old whitetail bucks and get a private pickleball lesson in the back.

• 36:00Speaker 03

  For folks who are scared of privately owned museums, like, there is just no better way to spend your money. It is so much fun.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Is that a thing? People are scared of privately owned museums?

• 36:13Speaker 03

  I think so too, because they look, I mean, they look exactly like the place that you get killed in a variety of cheap horror films. Oh, buddy, I got a great story about one that you should all, everybody should visit this one out in eastern Colorado. And I think it's Genoa, Colorado. And uh, it's wild and wacky, man.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  And it's often just like a husband and wife who curated everything in there. And that's how you wind up uh, with a Whitetail Hall of Fame that has a collection of antique chainsaws in it. Are you boys ready?

• 36:44Speaker 03

  I'm ready.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Cal saying 12.99, Yanis says $12, Corey says $21.

• 36:55Speaker 06

  I'm feeling good.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  You're high, bud.

• 36:57Speaker 04

  All three of you are too high.

• 36:58Speaker 03

  No!

• 36:59Speaker 04

  All three of you are going to try again. So write down a new answer and we'll give someone a point after this.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  So much drama.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  Get under the correct answer. The price of admission for one adult to the Michigan Whitetail Hall of Fame. Yanis going back to his drawing board.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go.

• 37:17Speaker 04

  We know it's lower than $12.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Fantastic one. I've been there several times, but I finally took my folks to the Ice Caves Museum out of Shoshone, Idaho. And it's phenomenal. I encourage everybody to go. But when we went there, you know, it's like taking the folks someplace special, the two kids, family members, wouldn't get off, they had a little tiny TV that they were watching, and they wouldn't get off the couch to even take the money. They're just like, uh huh. And they're just kind of pointing at, they're like, just put the money in the bucket. And yeah, it was amazing. This place, we would go, I think I've been there twice, taking a couple of different friends there, went on our travels between Michigan and Colorado. But it was only a dollar

• 38:08Speaker 03

  to get in. But there was, there was, ah, the first time I went there was probably, I don't know, late 90s or early 2000s. But there was a case of oddities. And at the end of the tour, he would grab one thing out of the case of oddities. And if you could guess what it was, you got your dollar back.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Amazing. That's great. I went to the Creationist Museum in eastern Montana.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Blind dive?

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. They have little diagrams in there of humans hand feeding dinosaurs. So that's a special place to visit.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Short dinosaurs.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  Do all three of you have an answer? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Wow. Okay, we've got Cal saying $4.99. Yanis says $1. Corey says $10. Man, I'm stuck on Bozeman prices. Everything's expensive here. The correct answer is $6. Giving Cal his third point and making him the winner of The Price is Right. But we'll finish out the game anyway. Phil, how did the chat do?

• 39:06Speaker 06

  Uh, well, first we had Copy Guy coming with $5. And then Brian came in with $6. And then after we all found out that it was less expensive, Copy Guy somehow, for some reason, raised his price to $6.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  All right, Brian and Copy Guy. Well done. All right, Phil, tell us about the fifth and final item up for bid.

• 39:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, I just want to do a little vamping here, Spencer, for a second. Let me bring this up here. Get rid of this comment. And then I look at the script and then I say...

• 39:37Speaker 06

  Hey, if whitetails aren't your thing, then how about a brand new boat? This 1989 16-foot Alumacraft John boat is located in Rockville, Indiana. It comes with a 2015 25-horse four-stroke engine, trolling motor, batteries, trailer, and a badass camo paint job. You'll be able to catch all the catfish and kill all of the ducks on the Wabash River with this nifty little skiff.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  And she's available right now on boattrader.com for the low, low price of, well, I'm not going to tell you guys, what do you think that 1989 John boat costs? And I'll point out, the script says, "How about a not-brand-new boat? This boat is not brand-new." It's a 2015 four-stroke? That's what it says, but it's also been painted, eliminating basically any chance you have of figuring out precisely what that motor is. Yeah, but dang, brother. I know. 2015- 2015 four-stroke? 25-horse four-stroke.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that's where the cost of that whole kit is. It's right there in that engine.

• 40:38Speaker 04

  She's a little trailer. She's got, uh, she's got bicycle wheels on her, basically. The donut wheels on there, I love it. Now, back to the Michigan Hall of Fame. It's $2 if you're a child, and it's $1 for a bag of feed to give to the deer. So, everyone should stop in Grass Lake, Michigan and check that place out, and then you can play some tennis afterwards with some D1 athletes that are in that family. All right, do you boys have a price for this not-brand-new boat? It's a 1989 John boat that is 16 feet long. It's an Alumacraft and has a 2015 four-stroke- Oh, the chat is way low. They call me Cal "Heartbeat of America" Callahan. Cal, that's right. Like, I got my finger on the pulse here. Mm-hmm. We'll see what he knows about boat prices. You boys ready?

• 41:22Speaker 04

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying $801. What? Yanis says $22,000. Corey says $699. I see a lot of value there. How do you boys have a $20,000 difference in a guess? If you're listing a boat, you want Yanis Patelas to come stroll wandering in. Like, oh, geez.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  I was gonna go get a loan to buy that, man.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  The correct answer is $3,399, giving Cal his fourth point a dominant performance.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  I can tell you what, there's no way that that's a five-year-old four-stroke engine.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Listen, I said-

• 42:02Speaker 03

  If you're charging whatever-

• 42:03Speaker 04

  They painted over it, uh-

• 42:05Speaker 06

  Yanni, let me tell you how this works. If you're not deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed with your first offer on something on Craigslist, you're doing it wrong.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Implying you should lowball them, is that what you're saying?

• 42:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  That's what it's for.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:19Speaker 03

  I, I understand that.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  Ryan, man of the people, Callahan, with four points in The Price is Right.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Hey, thanks for letting me play, Spencer. I gotta keep on moving.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  Okay, we'll see you later, Yanni. Uh, now, thanks for playing, Yanni, and remember to help control the pet population. Have your pets spayed and neutered.

• 42:35Speaker 06

  Oh, really quick, we had Skylar guess, right, aptly named, by the way, Skylar. You guessed 3,300. Uh, Chase Wolf, you're a dirty cheater. Cut it out.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  You know, I almost bought, uh, I was hanging out with a bunch of commercial fishermen a long time ago, and, and I almost bought a boat on Craigslist. Um, it was fresh off guiding season, had a bunch of cash, and the dude got so pissed at my offer that, uh, I kinda had to be like, "Well, I guess if me and my stack of cash are just gonna go cry in the corner." I'll bet, you know, that was, that guy's insult is what separated me from being a successful commercial fisherman.

• 43:21Speaker 04

  But you didn't buy it.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  I didn't.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  Didn't buy it. All right. Let's take a break and get some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 43:27Speaker 06

  Uh, yeah, sure, let's see.

• 43:32Speaker 06

  Uh, I never know how to pronounce this name. I'm sorry, Hova, Jova, and Figuroa. Uh, question for the guys, do any of you have any untraditional or unusual pieces of kit that you've adopted into your hunting setup over the years? Anything that you've stopped bringing?

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Hmm. Hmm. This is untraditional, but are you guys familiar with the app AllTrails?

• 43:54Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I've reserved saying this for a future hot tip off, but I'll say it right now. AllTrails is primarily used by people who are not hunters and anglers. And so they'll go on there and they'll do some specific hike and then they'll, they'll share photos and write a review afterwards. And, and they give out details that no hunter would ever say. They'll say, I saw 10 elk and a black bear. And then they'll even have pictures to show it. Uh, and, and so you can go on there and mine little information. If you're looking at doing a hunt somewhere that has like named trailheads, download AllTrails. There's a free version. You can get a lot of this information. People are willy nilly sharing a lot of really good information that hunters are not going to tell you.

• 44:38Speaker 04

  You know, on other apps that exist for this kind of thing.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  And Spencer built a little AI crawler that automatically scores the bucks that people see. So you can be like, nah.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Well, I wish I did. So I say that's an untraditional thing, uh, that, that I've used for hunting.

• 44:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I do something similar on Facebook. There's like hiking forums and whatnot, like, oh, watch out, there's a black bear up this trailhead. Like, oh, okay. Well, maybe I'll go spring bear hunting up there.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  I saw him two days ago, about a mile from the trailhead.

• 45:04Speaker 03

  I'll do a, a thing I stopped bringing and, uh, for my backpack trips. Like it used to just be like a really common thing that you would hear or see in, in all the hunting articles or backpacking articles of, of like trying to pack light is like eliminate redundancies. Um, and even if, if you're in a group, right? It's like, you don't bring three Leatherman tools. Like you may be, one person packs a Leatherman tool, right? Um, even sharing a rifle or, you know, sharing a sleeping bag, depending on how, um, ultralight you want to get. But yeah, I've quit packing like my, my beanie, my tuke. Because every, everything I had.

• 45:48Speaker 05

  Typically has a hood on it. So you know, it's a real common like sleeping kit is like, but I just put my hood on and, and have not found any, any need or want for the, for the two on the big backpack tours these days.

• 46:05Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 46:06Speaker 05

  Hood's double just as good. Yep.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  Well, last thing about all trails, a lot of people take photos. So you can see exactly what the area looks like. You get, you get an idea that, you know, something that Onyx can't really provide you these on the ground photos and that's super helpful. They'll show you where water is, what that stream looks like. If you think you can cross it. So it's, it's valuable for people in the West. Phil, what else you got?

• 46:27Speaker 06

  Uh, we'll do one more since we've got a couple of people waiting on the line. Um, I just had, oh yeah, here it is. Question for Caleb. Spencer, how are you feeling about, uh, Denver Nuggets repeat championship this year?

• 46:39Speaker 04

  I knew it in my bones in 2023, when they were going to win the championship. That was one of the most satisfying things. It's like, I knew this all along. The Nuggets were going to win that. I didn't have that feeling last year. I don't have that feeling this year, uh, but they have a chance. They, I would say in the entire NBA, they have, uh, they're one of the four best teams. Uh, they will be competitive. It's just about how far Joker, Jamal and MPJ can take us.

• 47:02Speaker 06

  Wow. First name basis.

• 47:04Speaker 04

  Listen.

• 47:04Speaker 06

  Is that how you got those fancy pants seats?

• 47:06Speaker 04

  I love.

• 47:07Speaker 06

  Down there on the court.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  I love the Denver Nuggets.

• 47:09Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 47:10Speaker 05

  Heck yeah. I love chicken nuggets.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  All right, moving on.

• 47:14Speaker 06

  Something in common.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  Our next segment is one minute fishing. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you punk? Go ahead. Make my cast. One minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Christie Holmes in Maine, and she's fishing for a donation to the Down East Salmon Federation. Christie, welcome to the show.

• 47:45Speaker 07

  Hi, thanks for having me.

• 47:46Speaker 04

  Christie, tell us about, uh, what you're doing out on that icy lake today.

• 47:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, we are actually on a tidal river, the Kennyback River near, kind of near. The capital of our state, Augusta. We are fishing for sea run rainbow smelt. Um, you guys are probably familiar with the little smelt. Well, these ones are about seven to nine inches. Um, and some people use them, some people catching, catching some smelt in the background.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  Is that, is that a good, is that a good holler we're hearing behind you?

• 48:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:18Speaker 07

  Those are good hollers. Yep.

• 48:19Speaker 06

  But don't they kind of like push through and runs? So are you missing your opportunity right now?

• 48:25Speaker 07

  Um, no, we've already caught, um, about a dozen. So we're doing okay, but, um, this is like a commercials, um, smelt operation. So you rent a shack for about six hours. And, um, you know, the, most people use the smelt to eat. They're wicked good. They're my favorite. Chop the head off, take the guts out, fry them whole. So you eat the bones, eat the fins. Um, some people keep them for like toge and pike, but it's just a really fun way to enjoy Maine winters.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  And tell us about the tactic you're using today to try to catch these smelt.

• 49:01Speaker 07

  So come on in, in our shack and I'll show you.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  Christie is walking us into this ice hut, uh, and the ice huts are so close that they're dang near touching each other.

• 49:15Speaker 07

  Yeah. So we've got, um, raceways, so holes in the ice here. And then we've got jig boards. We've got, um, jig poles and we've got the smelt we've caught so far right there.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 49:29Speaker 07

  And, um, a couple of heads are missing because my friends Kathy and Jill here, it's tradition when you catch your first ever sea run, smelt, you have to bite the head off.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, alright. I like it. Uh, and Christie has a baby on her hip right now. That baby gets a limit of smelt as well, right?

• 49:49Speaker 07

  Oh, of course. Yeah. The limit is one gallon per person.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Oh, that's, uh, that's bigger than the child that she's holding. Alright, Christie, your one minute of fishing starts as soon as your tackle hits the water.

• 50:02Speaker 07

  Alright, well, they're already in, so we can just start.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  Alright, she's, okay. Well, we're, we're gonna start.

• 50:06Speaker 07

  So we're, we're watching for any little movement here or, um, these jig poles.

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:13Speaker 07

  We're in about twenty, twenty-seven feet of water. Um.

• 50:18Speaker 04

  And are you fishing on the bottom or are these suspended?

• 50:21Speaker 07

  The whole river is gonna change by about seven. Today.

• 50:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:26Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 50:26Speaker 07

  The loggy shackle lower by about seven.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  You are 20 seconds into your one minute, Christie.

• 50:33Speaker 06

  Give her a little jig.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Is there any bycatch while you're doing this?

• 50:36Speaker 07

  Um, yeah, I've caught a tawny pod before and I've caught a headlamp before. Um, you use pieces of sandworms as your bait and then you have fangs, so they will bite.

• 50:49Speaker 06

  Sandworms are cool.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  You've got 15 seconds left.

• 50:53Speaker 07

  Well.

• 50:56Speaker 07

  Are you guys testing them?

• 50:57Speaker 06

  (laughing). Tension.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Christie was a little pessimistic. She said this is, uh, better done in the evening. So we, uh, we put her in a tough spot. All right, Christie, your one minute is up. Uh, we couldn't make it happen today. Uh, but thank you for joining us and, uh, showing us how a smelter does it in Maine.

• 51:17Speaker 07

  I hope you guys make it out to come smelting sometime.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  That's, uh, that looks like a ton of fun. Thank you, Christie.

• 51:22Speaker 07

  Good. Thanks.

• 51:25Speaker 04

  Cal, have you ever, uh, have you ever eaten smelt?

• 51:27Speaker 06

  Uh, no, I, I, you know, I had like a Scandahouvian, uh, grandma, great grandma, and she was-

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Scandahouvian?

• 51:35Speaker 06

  That's, that's how grandpa said it. Um, that would get like very upset over the fact that I used smelt for pike bait here in Montana. Very upset.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  Because she wanted to eat him?

• 51:48Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 51:49Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  Scandahouvian, is that, is that a derogatory term you think from your grandpa?

• 51:54Speaker 06

  Well, I, I never took it that way.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  I hope not.

• 51:56Speaker 06

  But it's possible. It's possible.

• 51:59Speaker 05

  As a Norwegian, I don't take any offense to that.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Okay, good. We're safe. All right, our next segment is Hot Tip Off. H O T T I P off. Turn your head and give cock. What's that face? Don't use cock. There aren't many words that rhyme with off. H O T T I P off. Let's-

• 52:27Speaker 06

  Well done Phil.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Phil, I trust the next time we go to karaoke, you're gonna sing some Chapel Roan. Can we, can I count on you for that?

• 52:33Speaker 06

  You have my word.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  All right. Hot Tip Off is where two listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice. And after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you have a hot tip, take a one minute video on your phone and email it to [email protected] with the subject line Hot Tip Off. All right, let's hear this week's hot tips.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  I'm Tyler Harm and this is my Hot Tip Off. For those of you who hunt out west, keep a, an old tent rain fly in your pack. It'll serve two purposes. One, you can tie it between trees and use it as a rain fly if you get caught out in the rain without your rain gear. Or you can lay it out

• 53:23Speaker 03

  when you're cutting up your meat. Gives you a good clean staging area for your meat and it's lighter weight than a tarp and works great for keeping that meat clean.

• 53:33Speaker 06

  Hmm. Crucial.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  Nice tip.

• 53:41Speaker 05

  Welcome to another Hot Tip Off. My name is Dylan and I'm here to tell you how I make a cheap, affordable, yeah, very effective scent checking system. You're only gonna need a few things. For those who don't chew, you can always use, you know, yourself an All Toys container or, um, you know, a film canister. Those who like to, you know, dabble with the old devil's dirt there and put your old big old lipper in, upper decky. You take one of these. You drill about a quarter inch hole right in yonder. Oh, if you want the picture, you know, you like the deer, put it in there.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  The backside doesn't matter after gathering this stuff which is called milkweed which we all probably know.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  Love it.

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Pull out the seeds, twist her up and try to make a long, almost like a length of rope with twisting. Okay, then you take it, you pack it down in, then the more the merrier. Pack it right down in there.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Okay, so if you want to get it out of the hole, you just take your drill bit.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Okay, you pull it up. There's that. Now, instead of using powder. Or.

• 54:57Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 54:58Speaker 03

  Check in a flag. You have this right in your pocket, costs you absolutely nothing. It's a piece of something we're gonna throw out in the trash or recycling. And, uh, yeah, you can even get ones with cool pictures on it.

• 55:12Speaker 04

  Oh, he's got a few handy.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  That's my hot tip off.

• 55:15Speaker 04

  And you can see these hot tips, uh, on our YouTube video right now.

• 55:20Speaker 06

  Oh, I love it.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  All right, Cal and Corey, do you like Dylan's hot tip about the homemade wind indicator or Tyler's hot tip about the tent rain fly?

• 55:28Speaker 05

  Man, I love to recycle. They're both very smart and.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 55:33Speaker 05

  Useful.

• 55:34Speaker 06

  Wind indicator, hundred percent. I mean, nobody's wrong in this, right? It's just, I mean, it's, it's great.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  I agree with the wind indicator. Uh, I also carry milkweed when I'm whitetail hunting. What I do differently than him though, which is, is worse. Is I just like shove it in a loose spot in my bag and then if I have a hundred little seeds. From milkweed in there, you see all 100 of those, but he, he has those very tightly packed in that dip can. That's real clean and, uh, he can just pull out little strands at a time. I, I love that.

• 56:05Speaker 06

  And he said he's pulling the seeds out too, which is like, I'm not spreading milkweed everywhere. Right, right. Uh, there, there was a company that. Had a very similar deal and it was like polyester fibers and I just hated it.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:20Speaker 06

  Hate, I'm like, you're, you literally made trash.

• 56:24Speaker 04

  I'm voting for the indicator. Cal's voting for the indicator. Corey, what's your vote?

• 56:28Speaker 05

  Ah, Tyler, I love your tip, but Dylan wins.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  I also like Tyler's tip. Um, I, I would say that sounded pretty dang loud to be hauling around in your backpack.

• 56:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, you stuff it in the bottom. You never know it's there.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I, I love the idea of sliding your meat on that thing instead of just whatever's convenient nearby. Now Dylan is our winner and he is going to get a brand new, uh, treat up gnome t-shirt. You can see it here on the camera. This is dropping today in the meat eater store and they sell out very fast. Last time I was told they sold out the day of. So Tyler is getting exclusive one of those as well as a meat eater trivia board game. That has been signed by the crew. We're going to get those in the mail to you, Dylan.

• 57:11Speaker 05

  That's a big win.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. So Ty, I'm, I'm sorry. I said Tyler won. Dylan won. Dylan won the board game and he won the t-shirt. You're going to hear from Corey about how to get those sent to the mail.

• 57:22Speaker 05

  Yep.

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• 1:00:28Speaker 06

  Really quick, just so we don't have any sort of technical hiccups for you Spencer. We had Dave on the line. He was hanging out for a while, our next guest, and I'm not seeing any video or audio from him. So Dave, if you're, if you're around, if you turn anything, your mic or camera off, go ahead and turn that stuff back on now. Otherwise, we might just have to have him on.

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  Well, can, can we hear from the chat for a little bit, Phil?

• 1:00:47Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, sure thing.

• 1:00:48Speaker 04

  Maybe in the meantime, we'll hear from David.

• 1:00:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  We're live, folks. We're live.

• 1:00:52Speaker 06

  It's what it's all about. It's what we're doing here. Cal, I have a five-month-old chocolate lab. Any advice on a training program? I know it's kind of a big question, but maybe someplace to start?

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  Just, I mean, it's just consistency. Like, get a routine in place and it all, everything is structured off of sit, stay, come. You know, and for, for me, really, like, sit should also mean stay. So start basic, always return to the basics, don't add too much too fast. There's not a whole lot of secret here. It's just consistency and do not overcomplicate things. You'll be, you'll be great.

• 1:01:32Speaker 06

  Cool. And this is another kind of big, general question, but maybe, maybe some words of inspiration or someplace to start. Free Crank says that he's been hunting turkey for four years and he hasn't been able to seal the deal. Any advice? He's located in Western PA.

• 1:01:47Speaker 05

  Man, keep at it. I've been there four years not tagging out, then the next year, well, bam!

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do, do your, your due diligence so you know you're hunting good areas? And then as my buddy Jim, who's like the most turkey-killing son of a gun I know, he says, "Kill them with your ass, Frank," or Free Crank.

• 1:02:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, sit and call, commit, see what happens.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:02:18Speaker 06

  Cal, I think you might be able to answer this one. This is from Harrison. Cal, do you still have your own podcast? And what GPS collar do you use for snort? Thanks.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  I've been running Garmin.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Like a tracking collar like you use for hounds or like real lanky pointing dogs. Which you know is definitely overkill for a lab, but I just like the data. It's pretty fascinating to me how how much a working dog can move. So. And then, yes, cows week in review. It's the cow of the wild feed these days. A little bit of a rebrand, but yeah. Tons of stuff happening right now in the world of conservation and legislation. So give her a listen. Thank you.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Phil, are you seeing Dave in the weight room at all?

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  I am not. I saw that he tried to hop back in, but it said they were still having trouble connecting to his camera.

• 1:03:09Speaker 04

  Let's get answer a few more questions. And if he's not there in a few minutes, we'll just end the show.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. Keep sending those questions in, guys. Trav. Says, hey, guys, someone wants to hunt and collect firewood on some property I own. I'm fine with it, but wondering if I should have them sign a contract or a waiver or something. Check with your state.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  A lot of states, if you provide a free. Public access, the state's liability will cover. We'll cover you. But yeah, I, you know, I'd definitely do a little due diligence and obviously if they're knocking trees down. That's a little more severe than if they're just picking stuff up off the ground.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  I have knocked on hundreds of doors, Trav, asking for hunting permission. I've never had anyone ask me to sign a contract or a waiver, but I wouldn't scoff at it if they did. It totally makes sense. Especially if they're a stranger to you like I am to most of these people. I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened. At this point, I think it's National Deer Association provides. A contract that would cover you. I believe they have one maybe for when you're leasing a property. And for one, when you're just like hunting on private land. So go check out the National Deer Association. They might be able to help you out. And Phil, it looks like our guest is now in the chat. So I think we're going to do that interview and then call it a show.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  Sounds good.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  All right. Joining us on the line last is the founder of the Lost Apple Project, David Ben Scotter. David and his network of apple detectives have found 30 varieties of apples that were previously lost. David, welcome to the show.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  Hi, thank you. Thank you for letting me be here.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  First thing, tell us about the Lost Apple Project.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, the Lost Apple Project began about 10 years ago. And kind of by accident, I'm retired law enforcement and I was taking care of a disabled neighbor's orchard. And one day she came and asked me, what could I go and pick some apples for? She lived on her family's property and they had been on the property since before 1915. And so I grabbed a bucket, I grabbed a ladder, headed over to her orchard, came back 10 minutes later, I said, I can't pick a single apple. Those trees haven't been pruned, you know, probably 50 years, maybe more.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  And I said, but I do know how to prune apple trees. So I'll, this, this winter, when they're dormant, I'll go prune the apple trees. And I said, within two, three years, you'll have lots of apples. So that winter, we get quite a bit of snow here. We're butted right up against Idaho and about 200 miles from the Canadian border. And I was probably on a winter day and I was thinking, you know, those apples not going to be the same kind of apples that I go and eat today. And so I called her up and I said, I was just curious, you know, do you know what's growing up there? And she remembered.

• 1:06:21Speaker 06

  She'd come back in a sec?

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  One apple, the elder's first apple that, that you eat during the summer, it ripens in July. And she didn't know any of the other apples, so she called her brother. He remembered that there was four trees at the very top of the orchard. They were called a wealthy, which just happened to be the first bred apple tree in America. And it was bred in Wisconsin because it was such cold temperatures up there, they couldn't get any apples to live. Wealthy was a wonderful apple and it solved that problem. And I got, did the biggest mistake of my life, I got on the internet and I started typing in, you know, apples for our area and stuff like that. And I was just fascinated.

• 1:07:10Speaker 04

  Tough connection for Dave.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Nated by Washington. Everybody knows that Washington grows the most apples in the United States. Those are all along the Columbia River and the tributaries of the Columbia River, where they can irrigate the orchards and they've got really hot summer days, cool nights. We're over in eastern Washington where it's rolling hills, nothing is irrigated, and we but we do have deep soils and a lot of ravines and things like that. And so to make a long story short, I just started researching. I found out that there was a book by a fellow by the name of Lee Calhoun called Old Southern Apples. And this book listed, the first half of the book was all

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  old southern apples that still exist today, and the last half of the book were extinct old southern apples. And that was the first time I even knew there was such a thing as extinct apples. And just so, excuse me, it just so happens that there have been about 17,000 apples that originated in the United States and Canada. And a fellow by the name of Dan Bussie just wrote a book about that. I think it came out about five, six years ago, listing all 17,000 apples there and whatever is known about them. And of those 17,000 apples, only 5,000 of those apples

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  exist today. And so anyway, I started looking at the the list of apples. And then I also was kind of curious about a famous, at least locally famous fellow. He was a nurseryman about, I live near Spokane.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  Spokane, he was saying.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Dan Washington, 20 miles, 70 Colfax, Washington, which is really close to Washington State University in Pullman, Washington. And I was reading old newspapers about him and and apples that he had introduced and things like that. And I was reading, there was a little article about county fairs. This was back in the early 1900s. I thought, well, that's interesting. They're listing the county fair winners. And I started looking at that. And I immediately knew that I was on to something that was important. And the reason for that was they listed every apple that was entered in the fair. So I thought if they do this over a course of, let's say, ten years, I will know pretty

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  much what was growing in Whit- this happened to be Whitman County, Washington, uh, in the early nineteen hundreds. I started writing the names down of these apples. Turns out about at least four of the apples that were entered in the county fair were listed in Lee Calhoun's book as extinct apples. And I thought, oh, gosh, you know, this is, I'm the only person that knows this. You know, there, there's nobody here. There are other apple, uh, hunters around the United States. Uh, there's John Bunker up in Maine, there's Tom Brown in, uh, North Carolina, Lee Calhoun, he was in North Carolina, um, but if he, if you happen to notice that, all those people lived on the East Coast.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  I had no idea why, figured there must be some, some reason why that nobody ever, uh, hunted apples out west, but there must be a logical explanation for it. But I thought, you know what, I'm gonna just try a little bit to find one of the apples. And that apple that I was looking for is the Wall Bridge. And the Wall Bridge was entered by six different people in Whitman County, uh, in between nineteen hundred and nineteen ten. So I called some apple identification experts that I knew, uh, uh, who were on, over in Oregon. And I said, would it be okay if I sent you like, you know, three, four, or five bags of apples and, and you could see if they're the Wall Bridge apple?

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  And they said, yeah, go right ahead. And I chose the Wall Bridge not only because it was, uh, entered more times than any other apple in the fair, but also, uh, because it was rather distinct looking. It was a red apple with very crimson stripes on the apple. So this was, I believe this was about two thousand and thirteen, and I started, um, looking around, uh, Whitman County, which, so again, seventy miles south of me. I went through, uh, a little town, Colfax, which, uh, had three nurseries in that town. I had found, uh, uh, little catalogs of the apples that they grew and, and, and nurseries nearby that grew apples.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  Wall Bridge again, it was very popular. I, I found a few trees. Ended up finding, I believe, three or four trees with apples that were red with very crimson striping on them. And they looked like, to me, somebody who doesn't, I still can't identify apples with beans. But I thought these might be the lost Wall Bridge apple. Put them all in a box, getting ready to ship it off. And I happened to drive by a water pump station in Colfax, Washington. And hanging over this water pump station was the weirdest apple I'd ever seen. It was an apple that had corners to it.

• 1:12:33Speaker 03

  Uh, they call it ridges, but I thought it was just a really strange looking apple. And so I picked some of those apples too, stuck them in a plastic bag. They, they had, um, the experts, uh, want you to send like six or seven apples. They pick them where they were from, all these are important things. They sent those apples off. To make a long story short, uh, all the Wall Bridge apples were not Wall Bridge. And, uh, that's still kind of our white whale. We're, we're still looking for that. Still haven't found it. What's that? Still haven't found it. Still have not found that apple.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  But the other apple happened to turn out to be the, uh, yellow, uh, let's see. It's the Fall Genetica. And the Fall Genetica was the first lost apple we found. And, uh, that just got us off, got us off to a good start.

• 1:13:30Speaker 04

  And what's the, uh, strangest place that you found one of these 30 lost apple varieties?

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  Well, the strangest place was, is the apple closest to where I live. Uh, I always, uh, thought that these apples were, uh, gonna be in at least a few counties away from me. And then, uh, I, I knew about this apple tree. I had gone hunting and I knew this was my, one of my favorite places to hunt because there was an old apple tree right next to a swamp. And although that apple tree was probably 130 years old, it was in really good shape. The apples were wonderful. I actually have, uh, one of the apples here. And this, uh, this was determined to be the Shackelford.

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  And the Shackelford was, uh, one of the most popular apples in the late 1800s, early 1900s. It, uh, unfortunately, I think probably the reason it became lost was it was just a red apple. Uh, nothing remarkable about it, but it was, it's an excellent apple. And actually I think it's one of my top three apples. And, uh, I think it actually could compete to be a grocery store apple today, a commercial variety. Uh, I don't think it's as good as, oh, uh, apples like Crimson Crisp or, uh, Honey Crisp or, or some of those, but I think some of the other app.

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  And Dave, what, uh, what is the best tasting lost apple that you found?

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  Well, I'm gonna, I'm, I can't, I'm, I'm wish-washy. I can't tell you that, but I've got three favorites. There's, uh, that one, the Shackelford. And, uh, another one's called the Goldridge. And finally, the last one is called, uh, Kitagaski. And this is a little Kitagaski. And again, this would not make a very good, um, uh, commercial variety today because it's too small. Um, I think it's, uh, uh, Stark Brothers has a, an apple that they advertise as a lunchbox apple. Uh, it's a small apple called a Pixie Crunch. This is about the size of a Pixie Crunch and it could go in, if you had a child in school,

• 1:16:00Speaker 03

  you stick that in their lunch, but commercially I don't think it could ever make it. But it has a wonderful taste to it. And, uh, it was, uh, uh, it was from, uh, from the. And it's just a wonderful apple.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  Now, how can listeners help with the lost apple project? And what should they do if they think they know about a lost apple tree?

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  Well, I can tell you a few things. First of all, if you live in Oregon, Washington, or Idaho, get ahold of me and I'll give you some information about that in a minute. And and I will, I will get your apples to our apple identification experts. Now, if you're not in Oregon, Idaho, or Washington, there's another thing that we can do. And we, we're working with Washington State University. And they're doing an apple DNA project.

• 1:17:02Speaker 03

  And if you contact me, I will send you however many little tubes you want. And DNA from an apple tree is actually not obtained from the apple itself. It's from a leaf of the tree. So you don't have to wait till fall to do this. You know, in, in May or June, when the, the tree is fully leafed out, I'll send you instructions on, on how to take a leaf and put it in this tube and mail it to us. And Washington State University has over 3,000 apple cultivars in their database. And we've had success. I would say about 50% success rate in identifying

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  apples that way. Asian experts who, who use the basically 50 different characteristics of an apple, including how long the stem is, what shape the seed is, all the things that I'm totally unable to do and that they can do. We, that's how we send local apples to, to at least First stage, and then if they can't identify the apples, uh, then we move on to the DNA testing also.

• 1:18:23Speaker 04

  You can learn more about David's story and apple hunting in his new book called Lost Apples, The Search for Rare and Heritage Apples in the Pacific Northwest. It's available right now on kiyokibooks.com. David, thanks for joining us.

• 1:18:35Speaker 03

  Thank you. That was awesome. Yes. Could I just, could I just mention one thing?

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:18:40Speaker 03

  They look under Whitman County Historical Society. Uh, we're under the Whitman County Historical Society. You can donate to our cause. And if you have any questions, you can also reach me at uh, D D B E N S twenty-three at gmail dot com.

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  All right. Good luck with your, uh, apple hunting this year. Have a good one, David.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:19:02Speaker 05

  Thanks, Dave.

• 1:19:03Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  Art Phil, I think, uh, we're gonna skip the chat that's left unless there's anything really pressing since we're running over on time.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  Oh, no, nothing, nothing super newsier pressing.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  All right. Well, next week, the Meat Eater Movie Club returns with a review of the nineteen eighty-eight family film, The Bear. You can stream it on Prime, Tubi, Roku, YouTube TV, or Peacock. Watch it before the show if you want to participate in the discussion. Also, Chester will be performing at the Pheasants Forever and Quails Forever Concert for Conservation in Kansas City next Thursday, March sixth. Cal's gonna be there too, right?

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, actually, starting, uh, that Wednesday in DeSoto, Kansas, we got a, a Kansas BHA slash North American Grouse Partnership, uh, event that's open to the public and, and will be great. It's called BHA at the Barn. And it's just, uh, open forum, learn about a bunch of stuff that's going on in, in the organization. And then, yeah, Wednesday Concert for Conservation, um, where Cheddar's gonna. Kick things off for muscadine bloodline.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  Now, in the script here, it says Thursday is the concert.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  Thursday, yeah, the sixth, right?

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  Yep, Thursday the sixth.

• 1:20:14Speaker 03

  And then, um, Friday, there's the bird dog parade that kicks off. Pheasant Fest and Quail forever there and which is pretty, pretty darn cute.

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  Will Snort be there?

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  Snort's been there two years in a row now, so she's taking a break and then, um. Uh, yeah, we'll have a first light booth and, and awesome, just an awesome conservation event like PFQF does a really, really, really good job of getting people up to snuff on what they need to know. Uh, for all the habitat programs and farm bill and, and stuff that may not sound super sexy and fun, but they make it fun. Uh, and, and, uh, if you need a little, little lube to get that going, there's a bar on every corner in, in the, uh, on the show floor. Uh, and then Sunday we have, um, an awesome fundraiser lunch to kind of wrap things up with North American Grouse Partnership.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  And, uh, we're talking about the lesser prairie chicken. And, uh, the fact that the North American grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem in, uh, in North America. So.

• 1:21:23Speaker 04

  Happening, uh, in Kansas City next week. Last question, what's your favorite apple, Cal? Do you, are you, are you loyal to any variety when you're in the grocery store?

• 1:21:32Speaker 03

  I have not personally purchased an apple in many, many years.

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  How do you acquire your apples? You just don't eat apples?

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I'm, I'm like not a big sugar guy.

• 1:21:44Speaker 04

  I gotta ask someone else. Corey, what's your favorite apple?

• 1:21:46Speaker 05

  I'm a big apple snob. Like, I don't let my wife buy apples for me.

• 1:21:50Speaker 04

  Tell me more. Phil, are you agreeing?

• 1:21:53Speaker 06

  No, cause Adrian is. And if I buy anything other than a Honeycrisp, she gets mad.

• 1:21:57Speaker 04

  Let's make this show 10 more minutes. Uh, what's your favorite apple then, Corey?

• 1:22:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'll second the Honeycrisp or a Pink Lady.

• 1:22:04Speaker 04

  Damn, those are my two favorites.

• 1:22:05Speaker 05

  I'm going through the whole bushel and feeling everyone.

• 1:22:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Speaker 05

  And I'm that guy who'll go into a grocery store with apples on my grocery list and I'll walk out if I can't find the right one.

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  Buddy, I'm with you. I worked the produce section of Walmart my freshman year of college. I didn't really care for making minimum wage, so I got my money back by grazing on apples in the freezer back there. And I really became like a small yay for apples at that point. I feel like you could have handed me one, I could have taken a bite and been like, that's a jazz apple. Now that one, there's a gala apple. That one's a Honeycrisp. My favorite to the pink lady in the Honeycrisp. You can't go wrong. I especially love Honeycrisp because they come from the University of Minnesota. They were created there.

• 1:22:45Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 1:22:46Speaker 04

  They have, you know that Phil?

• 1:22:48Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, Adrian's from there. So that might, that might have to do with her Honeycrisp, you know?

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  I feel like an honorary Minnesotan and an honorary Coloradan, as well as a Montanan in South Dakotan. So I claim four states, two I never lived in. But that's, that's one thing I really like about Honeycrisp apples is they came from the U of A.

• 1:23:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, and one of my favorite celebrity sightings was we went mini golfing out, outside of the Twin Cities. It was this really cool course in the, in the, in the middle of the woods and we drove by the farm where the Honeycrisp apple was, was, you know, invented. Seems like a weird word. What's the, what, what would be the word to use?

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  No, it's created. They like, they collect a patent on it. So it is like something you invent.

• 1:23:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. And they, they had signs everywhere like, home of the Honeycrisp apple. And it was, I felt like, yeah, I was starstruck.

• 1:23:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. How about them apples? All right. We'll see you back here next week for more apple talk on Media Radio. Thanks for listening.

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