It’s NFL Week 2: We Talk Key Moves & Catch Up with the Falcons

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find Sunday Morning with The Pivot and we are kicking off Week 2 in the NFL with Ryan, Channing and Fred talking about pivotal moments in the NFL and surprise performances around the league. Talking about the break out performances of a certain head coach down in Florida, a running back in NY and the two teams in AFC who have everyone talking. And in surprise fashion, Channing makes an apology about doubting a player who proved him wrong for sure...this may be the first time in 20 years Channing has said "I'm sorry"! The guys also sit down with AJ Terrell and Kyle Pitts of the Atlanta Falcons on the road and talk about this upcoming season and what the Falcons need to do to return atop the NFC South. Channing challenges Kyle on being more active as a tight end and his blocking while Ryan commends AJ on being one of the top DBs in the game. Both AJ and Kyle are very optimistic about the season, new coaches, young talent and most importantly leadership in the locker room which they feel will get them back to their winning ways. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  College football is back. So Hilton called to me, the superstition concierge, to make your fan rituals a reality. Need a room to match your lucky number? We got you. Want to make sure our team doesn't wash your lucky jersey? Oh, that smells lucky. Hilton's unmatched hospitality can keep up with any superstition. Even a marching band wake up call at 5:55 and 55 seconds. Hit it! When you need a team that will do whatever it takes on game day, it matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay.

• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  I mean, like, I don't even know anymore, right? It started out that we was gonna do one day, and then it turned to two days. And then we get straight. It's the kickoff of the season. It's 9/11, right? New York Giants on. I mean, walked out with Pete Davidson on his neck on 9/11, and we gotta drop straight on Sunday. That goes well. So we caught up with the Atlanta Falcons, and we're gonna drop another show today. Man, I've been wanting to do a football show. I've been wanting to give us an opportunity to talk about what's going on in the season. And like, this is what we did, right? Yeah, we're podcasters, or we do a show, because, I mean, anybody could podcast. Not everybody can.

• 1:08Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09Ryan Clark?

  And so now you think about where this season is, right? It's in Week 1. But when you look back on what we saw from Week 1, now headed in to Week 2, what are some of those things you look at and say, okay, this is a pivotal moment that could change a game? Or maybe change a season, Chan?

• 1:28Channing Crowder?

  The thing that surprised me was KC, because it was a lot of bad football last week. A lot of low scores, the 17-16s and the 20-21s. And that's not where football is right now. I had to get away from that, fellas. I was that defensive guy. The 2000, you know, Bucks and the '02 Ravens and all those, you know, those defensive teams. I love that. That's not where football is going. You gotta get up to, you know, high 20s, low 30s to even think about really competing. And what KC did, losing Tyreek, and still going out there and going crazy, putting 40-plus on the board. Like, that was impressive to me. I love Andy Reid, but... They didn't win it last year. They're always competing, but I loved what I saw out of Kansas City Chiefs. And moving forward in the season, I think they got that thing this year.

• 2:10Ryan Clark?

  Everything that Kansas City did was about team though, right? During the offseason, it was Tyreek this, Tyreek that. How does Patrick Mahomes rebound from not having his number one target? And it was Juju, Valdez Scantling, McCole Hardman, Travis Kelsey, Clyde Edwards-Helaire. And I think we're going to see that as the season continues. And I know you love team and you love those type of, those type of games, Freddie T. But for you, what was the pivotal moment that you saw from week one?

• 2:37Fred Taylor?

  You know, I just want to echo what Channing said, and you actually tweeted something. You said, "I'm not paying 245 million to kick a field goal." Well, guess what Andy Reid said? "I ain't giving my guy 400 million and worry about somebody that left. I'm going to get a ball to the man who supposed to have the ball." But I think what was pivotal for me, I don't know what's going to happen with Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers up there. You know, they just look kind of all displacing, you know, all over the place. And on the flip side of what happened in KC, losing their star guy, Green Bay lost Devonte Adams, who's, he's churning along like, like he does. You know, he's just a man amongst boys

• 3:20Fred Taylor?

  in what he does. And, you know, I think for him to go against a great, I think the Chargers' defense will be great this year with their additions and, you know, all of that. But Devonte just keeps churning along. They didn't win, but he's still the same guy. And I don't know what Aaron Rodgers is right now.

• 3:38Ryan Clark?

  You know, I love the fact that you guys brought up those two teams because those are the two teams that met on Thursday. And Kansas City did everything that they were supposed to do to show that they're still the kings of the AFC West, even though the upstart Chargers are going to be difficult to beat. And so it's great to have those two teams and knowing that those, both of those teams, both Kansas City and Los Angeles, they could probably be in it when we get to the end of the playoff run and AFC Championship, which would be crazy to have two teams from the same division. My thing is going to be Justin Jefferson and what he was able to do. With Minnesota, and here's why. He said in the offseason that he could see why Cooper Cup was so successful in the Los Angeles Rams offense because he got Kevin O'Connell,

• 4:21Ryan Clark?

  who was the Rams offensive coordinator, is now the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings. And you go out, you get two tubs, 184, the most he ever got, nine catches. I'm sitting there like, did Green Bay not scout and know who this dude is? And what's cool is, you know, that game won't be today. It'll be a Monday nighter. But we got to talk to Darius Slay this week, and you know, we aired that on Friday. He thinks that Justice Jefferson's the second best wide receiver in the world, right? And we know that, we all agree and feel that Tay Adams is that dude. We got to sit down with him and just listen to his mindset.

• 4:55Channing Crowder?

  I tried him. I tried him. I might have to pull back on that.

• 4:58Fred Taylor?

  You gonna apologize?

• 4:59Channing Crowder?

  I might have to apologize to my man.

• 5:01Fred Taylor?

  You keep moving the goalpost.

• 5:02Ryan Clark?

  So what you, what you feel like when you, when you got a chance to see what Tay did at Vegas, week, week one? He had, just, he had, he had more yards than the entire Green Bay Packers wide receiver corps.

• 5:14Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. No, Tay's stupid. And you just, you just, you just changed, you changed the situation you're in. And I don't know if I put too much on Aaron Rodgers, where he's, Derek Carr's not Aaron Rodgers, but Derek Carr's a good quarterback. And then seeing what Tay did, like Freddie brought it just so early, changed the scenery, but he jumped right back in that thing and went crazy as that number one. When you're number one, you're a number one. So I was just looking at Cooper Cup, I was looking at Jamar Chase, I was looking at J.J. Jefferson's a dog. And that's why I didn't know where it was. So I tried. Devonte, I apologize.

• 5:46Fred Taylor?

  That's what I want to hear.

• 5:48Channing Crowder?

  You are the best wide receiver on the earth. If I need a touchdown, late in the fourth quarter, I want you on my team. My bad. I'm sorry.

• 5:57Fred Taylor?

  We talking about a pivot. That's a pivot.

• 6:00Channing Crowder?

  That might be the first time I apologized in 20 years, but I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

• 6:04Ryan Clark?

  Sometimes you gotta, you gotta eat your words. Speaking of eating words, Chan, we always say it. I mean, every week is Chan's go chant.

• 6:12Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Ryan Clark?

  You know, and you're down in Miami, and I wanted to come to you about this. We wondered what Tyree Kill would do to elevate Tua Tagovailoa's game. Right, and what would happen with Mike Gasecki? And what would happen with Jalen Waddle? Well, to me, Jalen Waddle probably had the biggest play of the game. But it was also Mikey McDaniel's in his first game as a head coach going against the GOAT. Probably no bigger disparity in wins and experience in Week 1 other than Mike McDaniel's facing the New England Patriots and Bill Belichick. It's 4th and 7, it's late in the 2nd quarter, they throw a slant on the inside to Jalen Waddle. He goes and gets about 40 for the tub. He spins it, everybody in the stands.

• 6:52Channing Crowder?

  He doing the ball to Waddle.

• 6:53Ryan Clark?

  Then Tyreek Hill, I don't know if you got in his ear or what. Tyreek Hill, when asked about that, said, "Mike McDaniel's is gonna need a wheelbarrow to carry his nuts around."

• 7:04Channing Crowder?

  Whoa.

• 7:05Ryan Clark?

  Did y'all switch places?

• 7:06Channing Crowder?

  You know, T.J. got a personality. And yes, that was a hell of a call. 4th and 7, first coach, and I know we can talk about these young coaches, because there was some BS that went on in Denver with a young coach. And then there was a thing that Mike McDaniel did. Believing in his team, believing in his quarterback, believing in his star players. But yeah, Waddle went for, what was it, 4 for 70. Reek went for 9 for 90. Like, that's gonna be a hell of a combination. You can't double everybody, you know. You can't double every damn body. But the thing about these big nuts, and I understand the analogy my man Tyreek was trying to give off, yeah, that took some nuts to go for it on 4th and 7. At the 45. What's so good about big nuts? Like, what, you know what I'm saying? Like, why you want some big nuts?

• 7:50Channing Crowder?

  I ain't never heard a woman say, "Oh, he has some big old nuts." Especially if you got a little bitty Swiper on top of it. Big old tires on a sedan. Nobody wants big tires on a sedan.

• 8:03Fred Taylor?

  The nuts don't go through the PO?

• 8:05Channing Crowder?

  No, they're actually an ancillary piece. I got a vasectomy, I don't even need my nuts.

• 8:11Ryan Clark?

  How about this, though? Mike McDaniel comes out and says that he could make it, I think, from either like Wednesday to, like, Wednesday to Friday as an assistant coach without showering. And he says he can't do that as a head coach because, no, I guess you gotta do press conferences, and people gotta sniff you, and there's like some type of image to uphold. This dude showers less than you. Would you wanna carry those nuts around in a wheelbarrow?

• 8:35Channing Crowder?

  Them big nuts stink. That's a big stanky pig pen off goddamn Peanuts nuts.

• 8:41Fred Taylor?

  But let's talk about it. You said something that caught me, because you're talking about now the nuts in the wheelbarrow. If they go for it and don't execute, then that's a different conversation, much like in Denver. He had plenty leg. The kick was off, but he had plenty leg. And we've all said, well, you got Russ, Russell Wilson. You gotta go for it. You brought him in 200 and plus million dollars. Go for it. But if they kick, if they make that field goal, it's a different conversation and everybody's praising Russ. I know you've had your thing with Russ or what have you, but you wanted to see Russ cook too, right?

• 9:16Channing Crowder?

  Oh, I would love to. And that's the thing about these, these young coaches like McDaniel and McVeigh in LA. Bro, these young coaches are bringing a different dynamic to this game. And I love it. I love, man, believe in your players. And I love what you tweeted. I ain't pay 256 million dollars for Brandon McManus to kick the second longest field goal.

• 9:36Fred Taylor?

  That's still believing in your players though, Chan.

• 9:37Channing Crowder?

  The second longest field goal in NFL history, and you have fourth and five with, with the guy that you traded. You, you, you budgeted your entire team on by giving up all these picks and all these players to bring in Russ. And now you bring the kick on to kick the second longest field goal in NFL history?

• 9:53Ryan Clark?

  Was this, after the game, he stood by it, right? He said, this is what we do. He comes out on Monday and says, on Tuesday, I'm sorry, the day after the game and says, I made a mistake. We should have gone for it. And not, he said, not even in necessarily the hindsight way of missing it, but in looking back at it and what that moment could have meant, how that could have helped the Denver Broncos, not only that night, but for the rest of the season. I think Nathaniel Hackett, as a young coach, gets that. But I was on SVP after listening to his press conference. He couldn't catch his breath, right? The, the moment got too big for him. And he said, the 46 was where they had to get. And they got there and he couldn't think beyond that. But I believe that comes with experience.

• 10:36Fred Taylor?

  That does come with experience. And the thing is, what I've learned about coaching, I, I had three coaches in my time. Two coaches gonna be definitely Hall of Fame coaches. And the other coach, not a bad coach, but it was too much inconsistency. And I think as a head man, you gotta be consistent. You gotta be black and white with these guys, no gray areas. You say something, stay. Stand by it, but if you if if in your heart, you believe I truly believe we should have gone for it, stand by that, but you can't be you can't straddle. You you send mixed messages to the players, and I think for these young coaches, you got to make sure you better prepare for those situations because if it's the 46 they needed to get to, then that's the spot. I think they were like, what the the where were they at?

• 11:20Ryan Clark?

  They were close.

• 11:21Fred Taylor?

  They were close to the 46. So you got to make it, but it's fourth and five. And you know, Seattle was defending the sticks because they knew that Denver had to get to a certain spot in order to be within their field goal range. So I think Seattle was ready and prepared for that moment, and and Denver simply wasn't. And they called a play they shouldn't have.

• 11:38Ryan Clark?

  Speaking of the the moments. You like to say great things about people, right? When people come on our show, you want everybody to feel loved, right?

• 11:49Fred Taylor?

  That's what it is, man.

• 11:51Ryan Clark?

  Dude, dude, it could like if we get Adrian Peterson on the show next week, you're not going to talk about the fact that Le'Veon Bell put him to sleep. You're going to talk about all the great yardage that he got during his career because that's who you are, right? You're Freddie Flowers, freaky Freddie to some, but Freddie Flowers to us. If there's a guy, when you look back on week one, and I know we've already had one game week two, when you look back on week one, who are you giving your flowers to for this week?

• 12:17Fred Taylor?

  I mean, it's it's several guys that's out there that's worthy, but one guy in particular I we had on the show and a guy who's he's been going through his challenges, right? He's been in his head, and I remember telling him, look, he's so he's so worried about proving to everybody that he's back. But before you can do that, I say, look, you got to prove to yourself. So I'm pretty sure you guys know who that guy is that'll be, you know, my Freddie Flowers focus for for for this week is is Saquon Barkley. Saquon absolutely killed it, man. What was it 18 carries, 164, that's nine yards per carry, another six catches, 30 yards. I forget the touchdown that he had. He accounted for a third of the the Giants offense.

• 13:02Fred Taylor?

  You know, I think Saquon is back. He had a 68 yarder, a 33 yarder, you know, 101 yards, just on two touches. So I think he's back, man, and I think he's ready. I think he knows that he's himself. Right, and now he can go forward and prove to everyone else that I'm that man. So for me, Saquon would be, you know, the guy that I would give Freddie Flowers to.

• 13:24Channing Crowder?

  I gotta bring up another running back that's been on the show, actually. Leonard Fournette went crazy. He gave us a shout out too on the post-game press conference. Leonard went crazy, but bro, that damn Minka Fitzpatrick. That Cincinnati Steeler game, and I knew, look at you go there. You always nod your head when somebody bring up Pittsburgh. Minka won the game at safety. The blocked field goal. Then, but they don't remember before that, he broke up two, three passes in the end zone. Was making tackles everywhere in the fourth quarter and overtime. Like, you know, I'm always gonna give, I know I knew your offensive guy Freddie, but I gotta give my defensive players love. That damn Minka Fitzpatrick, there is no reason that he should have left Miami. Whatever they got for him in the trade was not worth it.

• 14:07Channing Crowder?

  That young man won a football game from the safety position. It was something that Ryan could never do, but that young man, that young man, Minka showed out. That's my, I know everything, Josh Allen and all them, a dog. Minka showed out. So when I see some defensive players that can ball, that's what I'm talking about. Minka went crazy.

• 14:31Ryan Clark?

  Minka was huge for me. I agree with you on Leonard. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers do not beat the Dallas Cowboys without the way Leonard Fournette was able to play and that defense on the other side. And I think, I just wanna say this real quick, I'm happy for Jameis Winston. Jameis Winston, he's down 16 in Atlanta, in a huge rivalry. Has a huge second half, throws two tubs, has a long pass down the sideline to Jarvis Landry, to lead to the go-ahead score. And I think for a guy that's been through as much as he's been through, have been doubted and talked about the way he has, it's huge to see him do that. And I love his post-game press conference, asking, "Did it hurt? Did you have pain?" He said, "Yeah, it was pain. It was pain everywhere." You know what I'm saying? Only Jameis Winston.

• 15:14Channing Crowder?

  Jameis, Jameis gotta jump on. Jameis, Jameis, you gotta jump on, bro. Because you was a soundbite king. You gotta jump on, let us chop it up with you. But no, I'm with you with all he's been through. And Jameis, the good and the bad, you see both of them. But if he can figure that thing out and narrow down those mistakes, man, Jameis is gonna be special.

• 15:32Ryan Clark?

  I mean, look at it this week. You think about it, man. We got Patriots, Steelers, Panthers, Giants, Jets, Browns, Coach Jaguars, on and on and on again. When you're thinking about what we're gonna see today, what are some of those matchups? Or what is one matchup you're looking forward to? What's the pivot magic matchup for y'all?

• 15:50Fred Taylor?

  The pivot magic matchup? Every team in the AFC South either lost or tied. So I want to see who's gonna take the lead in that division. I know you might be saying, well, shit Freddie, you talking about the Texans, they ain't got nothing. You talking about the Titans, they ain't got nothing. And Jacksonville definitely ain't got nothing. And the Colts is probably the front runner. But more importantly, I want to see Jacksonville really just go and do their thing and try their best to bottle up Jonathan Taylor. Tough task, you know, maybe not the pivot matchup. But I think for me, it's a solid game. You know, I'm ready to see if Jacksonville can take that leap. So that's my matchup of the week.

• 16:32Channing Crowder?

  My matchup is Bills Titans, that Monday night matchup. Because the Bills look so good. Everybody got them right now ranked number one. And they went out there and destroyed the Rams. I actually lost money on it. Love DraftKings, but I'm not good at it. He brought it up. I love them. I thought the Rams would put up more of a fight there. But you see them put up 31, you see them, you know, beat the Rams. And the Titans lost to the Giants, but late, with Brian Dayball putting his nuts in the wheelbarrow too and going for that two-point conversion with Saquon. Which Saquon was stopped. But players overcome coaching because that was not a good play call. But Saquon went around those two defenders and got in. Tennessee is a playoff team from the past. You bring up the AFC South, they a playoff team now. You got Derrick Henry, you got Tannehill, they have a strong defense.

• 17:16Ryan Clark?

  They were number one seed in the playoffs last year.

• 17:18Channing Crowder?

  See what I'm saying? So that's what I'm saying, that 0-1 start. So I really want to see if the Bills are what we saw. That first game, you don't know what they're gonna do, you know. The offense, whatever they gonna do their game plan. But now can you do that consistently? So if you the top dog, can the Bills run as the top dog all season long? And I don't think the title is a pushover. So I can't wait for that Monday night game.

• 17:38Ryan Clark?

  I think that's gonna be amazing. The game I'm really looking forward to though is Bucks-Saints. The Saints have owned Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the last two years in the regular season. And now knowing the Saints have everybody, have everybody back. Michael Thomas seems to be in mid-season form already, especially in that second half against Atlanta. I'm picking the Saints to be a team that's a playoff contender. Playing a team like Tampa Bay and winning will show us that. Or does Tampa Tom come out and say, okay, look, what we did the first week offensively wasn't good enough. We have to be better. This is the first show. This was, this was fun. We tried to keep it short. We went a little long. I think the, the big thing for us is like to continue pushing forward, to continue giving y'all great content.

• 18:21Ryan Clark?

  Don't forget to tap in with DraftKings. And right now we got Kyle Pitts, A.J. Terrell. They got the Rams later on, but you don't want to miss what they said about this season up next.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  College football is back. So Hilton called to me, the superstition concierge, to make your fan rituals a reality. Need a room to match your lucky number? We got you. Want to make sure our team doesn't wash your lucky jersey? Oh, that smells lucky. Hilton's unmatched hospitality can keep up with any superstition. Even a marching band wake up call at 5:55 and 55 seconds. Hit it! When you need a team that will do whatever it takes on game day, it matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay.

• 19:08Ryan Clark?

  We're Gators. Look at us. Look at us, we're all Gators. Hey man, don't start that Gator shit now. You see how big this is? Don't start that now, RC. Man, I'm... With a dime on your ass. First of all, this is, I'm not fighting nobody young. You know what I'm saying? Like, I fight my age group. I fight my age group and my weight class.

• 19:30Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:30Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 19:31Channing Crowder?

  He had the both of them.

• 19:31Ryan Clark?

  He had the both of them. And his arms long as hell. I ain't gonna win.

• 19:35Channing Crowder?

  Thick, thick, but he a Clemson Tigers. The real Tigers, you already know.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  Oh, we got, we got.

• 19:42Ryan Clark?

  You all the way out there, RC. AJ.

• 19:45Channing Crowder?

  Still in that.

• 19:46Ryan Clark?

  AJ. First off, I just want to tell you, I love your game. I talk very, I speak very highly of you.

• 19:53Ryan Clark?

  I also want you to remember where I was standing at the national championship in 2019.

• 20:01Channing Crowder?

  Where you standing at?

• 20:02Ryan Clark?

  I was on the sideline. So, when Jamar kept, "Fwoom", "Fwoom", the whole night, I was there. I was there. And I didn't even want to go there with you, because you my guy. We trained together this offseason. And you came at me, "Bum bum", out the gate.

• 20:19Channing Crowder?

  Like I said.

• 20:22Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 20:23Channing Crowder?

  The real Tigers.

• 20:24Ryan Clark?

  That's not true, though.

• 20:26Channing Crowder?

  They won the national championship. What was y'all last, with Saban? 2019, I just told you. When the last one was. Like, what are you talking about?

• 20:35Ryan Clark?

  This man is the best corner in the country that year.

• 20:37Fred Taylor?

  But prior to that, though, Clemson had everything on lock for a minute.

• 20:41Ryan Clark?

  Like, three years, bro.

• 20:42Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, not for a minute. That's a minute.

• 20:44Ryan Clark?

  You know what we gonna do?

• 20:45Fred Taylor?

  That's long enough.

• 21:08Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the Pivot. This is the Atlanta Falcons, uh, edition. You guys are, you know, preparing for a game. And what happens is, when you become superstars and pro bowlers and, and all pros and all that, like, you don't really play. You know what I'm saying? So, practice and preparing is more important, especially now in the 17-game season. Welcome to the Pivot again, like I said. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, Apple. Make sure you like. Also, we just gonna continue to keep building. Like Freddie T. always says, man, anybody can podcast, but not everybody can pivot. I think it's super dope to have you here. You two, best players.

• 21:52Ryan Clark?

  On each side of the ball, which is odd because you going into your second year, you're going into your third year. A lot of times teams have these, these veterans, but there's a start to get here. And I think I want to start with you, Kyle, in this sense. You're a sophomore quarterback, right? You got everything you need, right? You're, you're 6'6", 6'5", you're athletic, you can do all these things. What made you make the decision though, that playing tight end was the thing for you? And obviously it works out with being the fourth pick of the draft.

• 22:24Speaker 05

  Well, actually, it was from my dad. My dad was saying, he's like, just try it out. He was saying, Jason went in, who else was old back then? To just Tony Gonzalez, there's a couple of other guys and he was like, you know, you're not really, this isn't you. You pick, he told me from the beginning not to pick up a ball. And I did anyway and they made me quarterback. But I was playing mainly defense that year. But he was like, just try it out, just, you know, you can catch, run, do all that stuff. He was like, you know, in the end it'll, it'll work. And I was like, alright. And then that's when I started going to camp and stuff. I never really liked playing quarterback because I knew I couldn't throw a ball more than 60 yards, you know, consecutively, so.

• 23:01Ryan Clark?

  I read that though. You keep saying like, throw a ball more than 60 yards. You was 15. Like, why were you supposed to be able to throw a ball 60 yards?

• 23:10Speaker 05

  I don't know, but I knew a quarterback was not in my future. And I shouldn't have picked it up from the beginning.

• 23:15Ryan Clark?

  When you started playing quarterback?

• 23:18Speaker 05

  I, I really never had consecutive years. Like, I just happened to pick it up and I just, they seen me just throwing it around, throwing it like.

• 23:26Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I mean, and we'll get to the bad decision you made in college. But there's something dope, man, that I read about you. Your parents are high school sweethearts, right?

• 23:36Speaker 05

  Right.

• 23:37Ryan Clark?

  When you grow up in a house like that, you know, I mean, so much is made of like, our communities and families not staying together and fathers not being in the homes or whatever it is, man, to, to grow up in a house, what is it? Is it six of y'all? Or kids?

• 23:53Speaker 05

  Five, or six, it's six, yeah, including me.

• 23:55Ryan Clark?

  It's six kids, you know what I mean? And growing up in a house like that, man, when you get to see your parents who have been in love for that long, raising these kids, what was that like for you?

• 24:07Speaker 04

  It's really one on one. Just having both parents in the house, very supportive and, you know, just the unconditional love and everything they have for us is pushing us the right way, leading us the right way. And it's just somebody to look up to forever. Like, it's just a big, you know, big look, big picture too.

• 24:26Channing Crowder?

  Nah, for both of y'all though, because you ain't had no rough upbringing. Nah, like, and the thing RC was saying to you, and it's a lot of guys, you know, and we do this all the time, the pivot, you know, we got, what, 60 episodes or something? We talk to a lot of people, and everybody talk about the turmoil that made them. And I played with Zach Thomas, who his dad was a billionaire, but he still had that grind, you know what I'm saying? So from, from a, not even affluent family, but from a solid background, how do y'all, how do y'all be what y'all are? Like you said, all y'all are, both of y'all are all-pro. So what, what is that grind, that grind? Because everybody wants to, let's dig deep and find what made them.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 25:05Channing Crowder?

  Y'all was good growing up. Yeah, mom and dad, y'all was eating every night. Like, what, what does that grind come from?

• 25:11Speaker 04

  I feel like you don't really know nobody else's grind. You only know like, you know, what's in front of you, like, how your, you know, how your family and what you just grew up in, and how they instilling you like the grind and what they expecting. It's just a bloodline thing, almost, like when you just, like how everybody always got their story about their family. I feel like when you, when you look at your story, and you just grow up in it, then once you go out, you know, the outside and you see everybody else growing up is different. But at the same time, when you just grow up with the right people in your ear, the right push, and all you need is, you know, you just trying to put on for the last name at the end of the day. So that's how I look at it.

• 25:54Channing Crowder?

  What about you, KP?

• 25:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like kind of the same thing. Like, I don't feel like everybody needs to have like a sad story to try and... Make them have some hunger. Because it really should come from within, but you know, not putting, you know, other people.

• 26:08Ryan Clark?

  No, everybody got their own story, but yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 05

  Just like, your grind is from within, like, obviously, you know, we both, we didn't, we didn't have, we didn't have those hard times. So just knowing, being around the right people, training with the right people, just your parents telling you like, hard work is the only thing that's gonna get you far in life. That's the principle for everything, so that just was something that just my parents instilled in me.

• 26:29Ryan Clark?

  You know what's crazy about, about you KP man, your father's name is Kelly, right? And, and something I read about him that, that really struck me, so Channing was drafted in the third round, Freddie Tease, the ninth overall pick, you know, both of you guys are top 16 picks. I wasn't drafted at all. And so people are always asking me about like allegiances, you know what I mean? Like why I rep for LSU so hard? And I always say, it's the only team that I ever chose that chose me too, right? Because every team I played on, at some point didn't want me in somewhere, they either cut me, or they signed somebody else. Your father told you in, in picking a college, he said, this hat you get to choose, right? The next hat will choose you.

• 27:13Ryan Clark?

  What made a, a kid from, from Pennsylvania, who, I think if I'm right, I think in the state championship had two tubs, two interceptions at, at defensive end. What made that kid feel like Florida was the place for him?

• 27:27Speaker 05

  I feel like Florida was the place for me because I hated the cold. We just had gotten in the state champ, like you said, in the snow. So it was like, nah, I was getting tired of that. I always wanted to be in the SCC. Um, not too far from home, but far enough. It was a nice ride on the plane, you know, I could drive home with me and be. Um, I just wanted to go somewhere and grow up somewhere else, like find a whole different type of lifestyle. And you know, you know, down in Gainesville is different, like Floridians are different people.

• 27:54Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 27:55Speaker 05

  And it's like, you seen that day one, and I'm like, whoa. But it's like, it's a new thing in life.

• 28:00Ryan Clark?

  You know, you know.

• 28:04Fred Taylor?

  We finally got him out number right now.

• 28:08Speaker 05

  And it's just growing like, growing up in Philadelphia, that's a different type of lifestyle. Then you come down to Florida where you wear flip flops in January. And it's totally different. It's just a bunch of different things that you learn, a different lifestyle, a different, how people, you know, upbringing and all type of different things. It's just, I want to try something new and I find that plays for me.

• 28:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, we know a lot from Channing that it does not like good players in Georgia. You know what I mean?

• 28:33Channing Crowder?

  There's some ballers in Georgia.

• 28:34Speaker 04

  You saying what?

• 28:35Channing Crowder?

  There's some ballers, bro. There's some ballers in Georgia.

• 28:37Ryan Clark?

  Is it for real?

• 28:38Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 28:39Ryan Clark?

  I missed a lot of them.

• 28:40Channing Crowder?

  We in New Orleans.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  We top, we top three in every category.

• 28:43Ryan Clark?

  Nah, I like, nah, I like, I, I, I, actually, I agree with that and I, and I get it. Uh, but for you, you, you go on to be an All-American, um, at Clemson. When, when you're in Georgia, right, that's SEC country.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  Right.

• 28:57Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody who grows up in Georgia has seen the, the Georgias play, the Floridas, the Alabamas, and knows different things. Uh, it's obviously the school that ended up getting you to this point, but what made that the right school for you?

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Uh, you know, everybody got their little top six or whatever. But I had went to all my, you know, all my top six schools, which is, if I could remember, Bama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Clemson. And my SECs and one ACC.

• 29:27Speaker 05

  I don't think you said LSU.

• 29:29Channing Crowder?

  No, nobody want to go to LSU.

• 29:31Ryan Clark?

  Okay, I was, I was just checking.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  I had went to all those schools plenty of times before I had even went to Clemson, so it was easy for me to like, compare each school. And, uh, you know, Clemson, you know, right up the street from me, London, and it was like, a place that fit, you know, just fit where I, where I needed to be. Plus, it was, I came in at the right time, fresh off of Natty. And, uh, the culture there is just, uh, just a little bit different. And, um, that's really why, you know, why I made that decision.

• 30:03Channing Crowder?

  How'd y'all stay out of trouble? They locked me. I was in Florida for two years and I got locked up three times, the rest of five. How did you stay out of trouble? And Clemson, like, how do y'all boys stay out of trouble? I'm looking at y'all Wikipedias and I'm like, nah, the rest. Can't do too much at Clemson anyway. And Clemson ain't got nothing. What? GBL got something.

• 30:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I stayed away from it. And it was, and it was different, like, I had really two years of college, because that last COVID year, everything was shut down.

• 30:31Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 30:31Speaker 05

  So my freshman year, you do your freshman stuff, you go out and party and stuff, but that was about it. Nothing too crazy.

• 30:36Channing Crowder?

  You had the folk, like, you knew, you knew, you knew the end goal.

• 30:39Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:40Channing Crowder?

  You knew that I'm going to Florida to make it to the league? Because they used to call us a football vocational school, because nobody stayed four years.

• 30:47Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. Nah, I'm gonna go back and get my degree, definitely, but I had to, I had to get it.

• 30:53Channing Crowder?

  KP.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  I got you.

• 30:54Channing Crowder?

  KP, KP.

• 30:54Fred Taylor?

  Why a man can't get his degree?

• 30:56Channing Crowder?

  I just, because I said that bullshit, when I left early, I left early. And I said, yeah, I'm gonna go back and get my degree. And then you got millions and millions in your account. Why the [__] I want to sit in the class all day?

• 31:06Speaker 05

  Because you, you got kids.

• 31:08Fred Taylor?

  You can do it on.

• 31:08Speaker 05

  I want to put it on the wall. I want my kids to see, and my daddy graduated.

• 31:12Channing Crowder?

  My daddy graduated in a $10 million house. You thinking that $10 million house, your kid gonna look at that goddamn diploma? Daddy graduated. That's the one thing they gonna find in the 20,000 square feet is the diploma. They about to look at them, them ADN screens and be like, yeah, I'm gonna play football.

• 31:28Speaker 05

  Fit the penny. Nah, I gotta get that piece of paper. I gotta walk across the state.

• 31:34Fred Taylor?

  Now, that's dope. It's dope to even consider it, right? Because it's, it's one thing, it's a goal, like anything else, it's a goal. But I want to pivot real quick and, and just ask you. When you hear all pros such as Tyron Matthew, Levante David, Tyron Matthew said he's different. He said it three times, he said, he's different. He's different, you know what I mean? And then Levante David said, he's gonna be a headache for me. Then you got coaches saying, you're a creative player. They call you a unicorn. 6'6", 245, 250, 444, fourth pick, broke all Falcon, you broke Julio rookie records. All these comments, what is that, what is that?

• 32:18Fred Taylor?

  Does that make you feel like you, Varad?

• 32:20Speaker 05

  No, nowhere close, because behind all of that is one touchdown. So it's like.

• 32:26Fred Taylor?

  I'm anxious about that.

• 32:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, that humble, I think about that every practice. And like, it was times in the offseason that would like piss me off thinking about it, just like, I can't believe that happened. But it's like, God got a different plan. And this year is gonna be the year. So I feel like this whole offseason, I've been just getting right. And I just been feeling like this is gonna be a great year. But not the arrival part.

• 32:50Fred Taylor?

  But they split you out outside. I mean, you're a defensive coordinator's worst nightmare. You can get out there, they dictate man versus zone. They put the tight end outside. I seen you catching fade go balls against Xavier Howard. One of the best cornerbacks in the league. Why hadn't you had the red zone success? What does it take to get you to get in the zone this year? What's it gonna take?

• 33:14Speaker 05

  I just think maybe some mental maturity. Last year, I kind of was seeing things late or slower. And I feel like, like the work I put in this offseason with just reading defenses, reading them quicker, running the routes differently, just at the line winning, just winning my matchup faster. That's something that I kind of, you know, trying to hold in or hone in this camp.

• 33:34Fred Taylor?

  Right. AJ, do you guys lock up in practice to get him ready for those looks?

• 33:38Speaker 04

  Time to time, time to time.

• 33:41Fred Taylor?

  What's that like?

• 33:42Speaker 04

  Whenever they, you know, put him out there a while. But it's always competition, you know? Anytime he line up out there, because it don't happen a lot. So anytime we line up out there, we compete, you know?

• 33:53Fred Taylor?

  Who talk the most shit? I mean.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  He don't, he don't talk at all. Yeah, I just play like, let my place be for real. I just be out there just doing what I'm supposed to do.

• 34:03Channing Crowder?

  He don't talk, but I want you to talk some stuff, because we talked, we went to Cincinnati, talked to them boys, you know what I'm saying? We been around, we talked to Denzel Ward. And we talked to them dudes, bro. We got Jalen, Denzel Ward's up there. People bring up Humphrey. People bring up them corners, Jalen Ramsey.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:21Channing Crowder?

  Real talk, Youngblood, your name ain't jumping the conversation.

• 34:24Ryan Clark?

  First off, first, wait, wait. Because I'm on the pivot, we had the conversation, had opportunity to train him.

• 34:31Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 34:32Ryan Clark?

  And I told him, I put him in my top five this year.

• 34:35Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 34:35Ryan Clark?

  I think the, the issue with him is that he plays for Atlanta, right? They didn't win, people weren't watching him on TV. But when you look at QBR, completion rate, all of those things, nobody has battled and fought like this dude last year. I think, like, my big question for him is though, it's like, how do you guys, how do you help this team take that next step, right? Because y'all ain't going to, the individual statistics are good, but when everybody wins, everybody gets money. You know what I mean? When you made that adjustment to become what you came, what you became last year,

• 35:19Ryan Clark?

  what's the focus for 2022 for you?

• 35:22Speaker 04

  Leadership, you know, you gotta have a voice. I'm out there, of course you out there dominating on the field, but at the same time, I feel like I just gotta turn my leadership up to a more vocal leadership. Make sure everybody feel me, make sure everybody on the same page when we step out on the field, that it means something. And that's where it's at, like, just, you know, like you said, the individual statistics only go so far, but you gotta bring the rest of the group with you. So it's more so on that type of side, even when I'm out there in practice, like lifting people, you know, making them feel like, you know, that this shit is, you know, what it is, like, come on, like, let's, you know, picking it up, just leadership, being more vocal, and just going out there and playing together as one.

• 36:07Channing Crowder?

  And both of y'all, RC brought it up earlier, were like, Y'all were drafted to change the organization.

• 36:12Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:13Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? You the highest drafted tight end in the history of football. You want to bring up Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, all them boys, the Jimmy Grahams, the guy, all the guys that caught balls on me for years. All of them, they wrote my, wrote my ass.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  No, you hate Tony Gonzalez.

• 36:27Channing Crowder?

  Tony Gonzalez caught seven balls for 80 yards in the first half on me.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  That was light skin on light skin.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  That was a long game.

• 36:37Channing Crowder?

  I put my hand out, his motherfucking hand, 80 feet past me. I'm like, I can't even, Colt, what I supposed to do, Colt? Roll to safety. But to be as young as you, you talking about leadership. To be as young as y'all are and all pro and have to be those leaders, like y'all got to lead 30-year-olds. Y'all, y'all early twenties, but y'all trying to amp up 35-year-olds, you know what I'm saying? Like, what's that challenge of being a young dog that has to guide guys that been in the league for 10 years?

• 37:04Speaker 05

  I'd say being young and being like that scrappy dog is like, kind of, I wouldn't say it's new, but it's trending in that direction now, because a lot of teams are young, I feel like. Especially ours, like, we don't have many, like, 10-plus-year vets. So it's like, it comes from within, and with us all being young, our way of leading is leading by example. Because I'm not a big yeller, he's not a big yeller, like, I don't doubt I ever heard him yet.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  That's the thing, like, that's the thing, it's comfort zone.

• 37:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  So it's like, you know, I always just been a good athlete, always made plays, always been on the stat sheet, always, you know, always had the hype. But at the same time, it's like, you can, you can feel when, you know, everybody not on the same page. Like, that's where I'm feeling like, okay, you know, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. But at the same time, like I said, you need everybody on the same type of time. So leadership don't got no edge to it. And I just feel like, um, you just got to turn that knob and take charge and, you know, just go out there and do it.

• 38:06Ryan Clark?

  Atlanta's been, Atlanta's been Matt Ryan's team for a decade and a half. You know what I'm saying? Like, that junk's different now.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:14Ryan Clark?

  And, you know, you're the best player on offense, you're the best player on defense, but now y'all in a, y'all are in a space where your coach is entering his second year. Your quarterback, who is a former MVP, is gone. And you're coming off of a wide receiver being involved in gambling and now out for the year. And no matter what anybody says about Kev, but really, he can play mother effing football. Right? As y'all look at what y'all can be this year, like truly, and this is, when y'all look at it, are y'all competing for nothing? Like, are y'all a team, like, do you look at your team and be like, if I ball, if I ball,

• 38:56Ryan Clark?

  if we all work together, we can compete in the NFC South? Or do you come to yourself and say, ah, I don't really know what this year's about?

• 39:04Speaker 05

  I don't think anybody in the locker room compete for nothing. That, that, that's why I say don't exist. Yeah, that's bad.

• 39:10Ryan Clark?

  That's because y'all went to Florida, Clemson. Y'all in NFL, y'all gonna learn, it's different.

• 39:13Speaker 05

  100%, but I don't think we compete for nothing. Like, this team is not the same team as last year.

• 39:19Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 39:19Speaker 05

  And I'm, I'm pretty sure you can attest to what I'm saying, is like, this, we, we compete, we throwing bowls every day. Like, that's just how it is now. Like, Kent was totally different this year. Like, the competitive level and everybody just being on their assignment, just being right, it's, it's been crazy. So I feel like, you know, this team is gelling way more. And, you know, we're coming into the team that, you know, Coach Smith is trying to, you know, put into us, instilling us.

• 39:45Fred Taylor?

  So you guys are in that role, right? And, uh, and we've all seen it. You know, I played 13 years, RC's played 13. And Chan, I think you got nine on the books?

• 39:55Channing Crowder?

  No, I ain't played nine.

• 39:56Fred Taylor?

  Close to nine, eight?

• 39:58Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, seven.

• 39:59Fred Taylor?

  Seven, eight, nine, it's close.

• 40:00Ryan Clark?

  That's not the same.

• 40:01Fred Taylor?

  No, no, the point is the same.

• 40:03Ryan Clark?

  Not the same. You can't, you can't play that many years going to Tootsie's every day.

• 40:07Fred Taylor?

  See, but that's the point.

• 40:08Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, see, that's the thing that they ain't gonna do. They ain't gonna party like I party. Boy, I used to go hard.

• 40:11Fred Taylor?

  See, but that's the point I'm trying to make. I'm talking about you have leadership, but then you have accountability.

• 40:17Ryan Clark?

  Hmm.

• 40:18Fred Taylor?

  Right? Because leadership, you know, you can try and lead, but who's gonna follow?

• 40:22Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:23Fred Taylor?

  Right? And you guys are in Atlanta. You know, and Atlanta ain't shy of, you know, chicken wings and, and, and Hennessy at 3:00 in the morning.

• 40:33Ryan Clark?

  Where they get it at, though, Freddie T?

• 40:34Fred Taylor?

  You know where they get it at.

• 40:36Channing Crowder?

  I know where I am going tonight.

• 40:40Fred Taylor?

  Magic City.

• 40:41Channing Crowder?

  Whenever I'm in Atlanta, I'm going to Magic City.

• 40:43Fred Taylor?

  How do y'all tap in, you know, to make sure these guys are accountable? When you're so young, because you got guys on the team that's 25, 28. If they're not 10-year guys yet, but they're there and they're like, man, this is what I do, this was what I need to get my mind right. This is my meditation and my stress relief. Like Sam, he had to go see some ass in order to relax. Like, how y'all gonna make sure those guys show up and play? You know, because y'all want to win. Y'all want to change the organization.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:14Fred Taylor?

  But how do you say, look, man, stay away from this so we can go win? Because they ain't trying to listen to that shit.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  That's a challenge. You know, me, I'm from Atlanta, but everybody who know me, everybody who know me already know. Kyle even though, he only knew me for a year, going on two. Like, I'm dolo, like, I don't be doing nothing for that.

• 41:37Fred Taylor?

  You're not answering the phone.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  I be chilling, like. And then what you just said, that's a challenge. That's a challenge for us, trying to be, you know, being new leaders to the team and trying to get everybody on the same page. It's like, that also comes with leading by example, you know, being from Atlanta and letting them know the do's and the don'ts and things like that, but that's a challenge. So that's something that we definitely got to lock into, you know, when new guys or vets, whoever in there, you know, letting them know like, you know, you can do that, but it's, you know, it ain't best for the team or for you, you know?

• 42:13Fred Taylor?

  The track record doesn't.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, so much you can get into, trouble everywhere. So you gotta be smart and move properly.

• 42:20Fred Taylor?

  But it's hard to convince those guys.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  It is. I would say that's a challenge.

• 42:24Fred Taylor?

  On one hand, you know, look, maybe it can change the face of our organization if you try something different. But on the other hand, it's, man, this is what I do.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:33Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, this is what I do, this is where we gonna be. If we win, we win. So, but if you guys are the young guys, you gotta step up and say, look, this is the reason we've been garbage the last X amount of years, and just go with it.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Because what we know, as guys that have played for a long time, we do know that the organization brought you all in that high for a reason. You can voice those opinions. And you can throw all that other shit out the window. It's not picking sides. Like, you want to win, that's what we're here for. All of that's going to come.

• 43:02Channing Crowder?

  But what about when the bad red ones called?

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• 43:35Speaker 05

  Like you?

• 43:36Channing Crowder?

  No, no, I'm talking about the bad red ones. The girl band, the strippers used to kidnap me. They used to say, they used to say, they say, "See, see? You coming tonight? We'll pick you up."

• 43:46Ryan Clark?

  They actually did not say that to you.

• 43:48Channing Crowder?

  They used to, I used to drive to the club with the strippers and leave with them.

• 43:52Ryan Clark?

  So you stayed till the whole shift was over?

• 43:53Channing Crowder?

  I was on the shift, but I wasn't getting paid.

• 43:56Speaker 05

  You was in there for too long.

• 43:56Ryan Clark?

  He loved you.

• 43:57Channing Crowder?

  No, he had to stay right there.

• 43:58Speaker 05

  He was loving it.

• 43:59Channing Crowder?

  Oh, man, listen, I used to go back and cook my own chicken wings. I want them extra crispy, leave them in the grease.

• 44:06Speaker 05

  I wouldn't say we had that many people on our team, though. Like, we don't really have, we call it rock star, or I call it rock stars. Like, I wouldn't say we had too many, like, so we're not really worried about a bunch of partiers.

• 44:16Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 44:16Speaker 05

  I mean, if it comes, yeah, I don't really think, I don't even know who to think of. That's like an extreme partier.

• 44:23Ryan Clark?

  Everybody got somebody.

• 44:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, everybody got somebody. I had discovered in my heart about it.

• 44:26Ryan Clark?

  I don't really be out like that.

• 44:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, we don't really be, I definitely don't.

• 44:30Ryan Clark?

  You talk about, about not being out like that. Uh, your father, you know, and, and you're young. Uh, Freddie T. and I were the same way. You know, and I think that sometimes puts different things in you, you know? Like, I love, like, I follow you, obviously. Like, I love seeing your baby on the field and, you know, you got the ball out there and you're, you know, just spending the time, right? Being, being available, being present, you know? And obviously, with the way you've grown up, I'm sure that became important to you because of the things that you've seen. How does that motivate you, though, when, as it pertains to your career?

• 45:13Speaker 04

  How does what motivate?

• 45:14Ryan Clark?

  Having, being a father, being able to show that example, being able to, to, to provide.

• 45:20Speaker 04

  Uh, it means, you know, it means a lot. Like I said, just from my dad, you know, showing me the way. And then me having a, my third, you know, it's like, you know, he looking up to me. So you, you know, you automatically get that, that, that image where you just, in that drive where you just wanna be the, the best example, you know, and. Ain't, ain't, we ain't lame or nothing like that, you know, I, I step, I do this, that and the third, but it's, it's at a minimum. So me just, you know, having my head on straight, having tunnel vision and all those things, you know, the bigger picture is always, is always right there and that's how I look at things. Like I'm not too shabby on missing out on this party, missing out on that.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Cause it's always gonna be there, it's gonna be there forever.

• 46:07Fred Taylor?

  Just to echo RC talking about your son, uh, was there ever a moment, was there any hesitation in naming him the third?

• 46:15Speaker 04

  Oh, no hesitation, no hesitation. Only because I know how powerful my name is, like, it's, it's unique. My original name is Andel Terrell, so it's unique and it's like, um, something that he can take on and just soar with it. It ain't no, you know, come from no bad side, like it's powerful.

• 46:37Channing Crowder?

  Well, he gotta, he gotta keep up with daddy now though.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  Who, your son?

• 46:40Channing Crowder?

  Your son? I got, I got, I got a third. My son's name Randolph Channing Crowder the third as well. And now every time he plays a sport, every time he goes baseball, he, he, he, he a monster now in sports, but. When he says next up to bat, number fifty-two Channing Crowder, everybody start looking over at the visitor's section because they hear the name.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:59Channing Crowder?

  So what, you, you, did you, have you ever thought about that?

• 47:01Speaker 04

  I didn't think about that till just now, like.

• 47:03Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying, like?

• 47:04Speaker 04

  It's, it's coming up quick, it's coming up quick.

• 47:06Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  So I already know that junk coming up, but. It's gonna, it's gonna mean, you know, it's gonna mean the world, like, hearing your name, being called, but it's, you know, for your younger seed. And he gonna be ready for whatever sport it is, you know? I'm gonna make sure he play every sport. He don't know it's calling, but he gonna be a competitive for sure.

• 47:25Fred Taylor?

  That's crazy you say he gonna be ready. I'm looking at your sleeve right here. I only see the bottom part. It says ready. What's on the top?

• 47:32Speaker 04

  It say war, war ready.

• 47:33Fred Taylor?

  War ready? What does that mean?

• 47:36Speaker 04

  It just mean, you know, wherever, just war ready. Like, I had got it my sophomore year in college at Clemson, but it just means, you know, any given day, any given time, just war ready, like, for anything. Whether it be for the family, for football, or just life.

• 47:53Ryan Clark?

  It's interesting talking to AJ, him mentioning his son and those things. And, like, one thing for us on this show is, we're all fathers, right? We're all very present fathers. And I think we work to show that it doesn't matter what you do for a living, it doesn't necessarily matter the color of your skin, that love is love when it comes to raising our children. And everything I read about you in preparing for this interview, it was your pops, your pops, your pops, your pops. And even on draft day, like, them saying, if you would've asked Kelly Pitts years ago, would Kyle be here? He could've told you. What was it like having somebody so supportive?

• 48:37Ryan Clark?

  And like you said, like, when you moved to tight end, he took you to every possible camp you could go to. What is it like having somebody in your corner that believes in you so much, he makes you believe in yourself?

• 48:49Speaker 05

  It's everything, because honestly, when I was younger, I feel like it was, he was being that hard dad. And I'm like, it was not how it was now. So it was like, everything has changed. Like, he was like, everything, me and him talked about it like... I think it was right after the draft. It was like, I was like, I appreciate everything. It was times where I couldn't go to certain parties. Times where I couldn't hang out with certain friends or he'd be like, I don't think you should be with them. I always stayed around older people or sports. Like, I always was doing something. So, he was like, everything was for a reason. And it's like, now looking back at it, you look at your Instagram, you see some of your friends from high school, and you're like, damn, that's what they look like now? And it's like.

• 49:27Fred Taylor?

  Boys beat up, baby.

• 49:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I was like, I'm glad my dad did what he did. And just the support, just the support system, all the training we did, everything. It's just, I feel like it's paying off.

• 49:37Fred Taylor?

  So, when they say, you're not a tight end, you're just a big receiver. Like, do you feel some type of way or do you embrace that?

• 49:44Speaker 05

  I definitely embrace it because everybody want me to be a stop. Like, regular 6'5", 265 tight end who's slow and can't do anything. But I feel like I bring on the unique part of being a tight end, being 6'5", 248, 250, running faster than most, most receivers. And it's like, I feel like I've been getting stronger in the run game as well. So, being able to be versatile is like, yeah, people gonna say that, but it is what it is. I'm gonna show you what I really can do.

• 50:13Fred Taylor?

  This is what I want to know. They got you ranked the number 90, in 90, 91st in the top 100 going in 2022 this year. It is what it is or they got it wrong?

• 50:25Speaker 05

  I'm gonna say statistically, it is what it is. Like, I'm, I'm there for a reason. I feel like if I had scored a couple, a couple more touchdowns, I'd have been a little higher. But it's, it's just a starting and I'm, I feel like I'm making a significant jump this year.

• 50:39Channing Crowder?

  You know, I gotta ask you, KP, because I love you to death, you know I'm a Gator. You done won me a lot of money in the past too. So, I, I owe you, I owe you something. I got something on me too. I got, I brought some money.

• 50:49Ryan Clark?

  He got way more money than you.

• 50:51Channing Crowder?

  I can't shoot him a hundred?

• 50:52Ryan Clark?

  He don't want that. He only go to the strip club and eat wings.

• 50:55Speaker 05

  A hundred is a hundred, dog.

• 50:56Channing Crowder?

  A hundred is a hundred, bro. I'm gonna shoot you a hundred. I don't, I don't, I don't want a good thousands off, off, off him in Florida. But from Florida to now, bro, you ain't blocking nobody.

• 51:08Speaker 05

  I disagree.

• 51:09Channing Crowder?

  You choking people out.

• 51:11Speaker 05

  If you really turn on the tape, it's like, obviously, I'm not like the goal line, like Jason

• 51:17Channing Crowder?

  You ain't moving nobody out there, yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 05

  No, I'm not there yet.

• 51:20Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 51:21Speaker 05

  But it's on the way.

• 51:21Channing Crowder?

  Mmm.

• 51:22Speaker 05

  I've been getting right, like getting stronger like year one, year two. This isn't like college where you're grinding for the next level. We're at the highest level. So it's like, you either gonna get right or get left, and I'm not getting left. So I'm figuring it out. So this whole offseason, I've weighed a lot more, got a whole lot stronger, and I've been moving people in camp.

• 51:44Channing Crowder?

  You been moving people. And the other thing too, on the backside of that, because I criticize you for being a tight end, but the highest paid tight end right now makes 15 million. The highest paid receiver makes 30.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  Mmm.

• 51:55Channing Crowder?

  So as an all-pro, your contract gonna be up here in a second. Should you be paid as a receiver or a tight end? Because that's double the money.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  Mmm. That's gonna be the David Montgomery question.

• 52:06Channing Crowder?

  (laughing).

• 52:08Speaker 05

  I can't answer that one.

• 52:09Channing Crowder?

  You can flex out, but you are classified as a tight end.

• 52:13Speaker 05

  David might have something up his sleeve.

• 52:15Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. I mean.

• 52:16Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm, I want my numbers to be better than both for numbers. So it's like, it's gonna be hard. They're gonna pay me however.

• 52:25Channing Crowder?

  You're gonna get double. You get 45 a year.

• 52:28Ryan Clark?

  That's not how it works, Shannon.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  God willing.

• 52:29Ryan Clark?

  That's not how it works. Le'Veon Bell was going to be paid as a running back and a wide receiver, and he had to sit out. That's not, that's just not how it works. AJ, you've been a, been a part of it. Kyle's only had one head coach. You know, you've had to make the switch. You know, now you guys have, you, you have Arthur Smith. And, you know, you're in the NFC South with Dennis Allen, who's a new coach. Todd Bowles, who's a new coach. Obviously, Matt Ruhl in, in Carolina. What's the confidence you have in Arthur that he has the understanding and the plan to make you guys not only competitive, but to give you an opportunity to win this year in your division?

• 53:14Speaker 04

  He been down to earth since day one. You know, we got a, uh, he holds all of us to a standard. Like, from the start when he first came in,

• 53:26Speaker 04

  he holds everybody, no matter if you, me, Grady, Marcus Mariota, or the undrafted guy. Everybody held to the same standard. And, you know, he don't look past anybody. So, you know, he got us, he got us all motivated in that way and got us all on the right path that way. But, um, as a coach, you know, he got the same, he got great energy coming in. And like I say, he just got all our heads on the right path. Um, he's a winner. You know, he also got Coach Dean Pease. Yep. You know, so, got the right, we got the right, you know, people in the, in the system and on the staff. And, uh, like I said, like y'all said, with me and Cal,

• 54:09Speaker 04

  we just gotta, um, knowing all the power we just lost this offseason and, you know, all that type of stuff. We got a lot coming in this year as well. So, we just gotta, you know, just go out there and, uh, just compete, make plays, and, uh, it'll all work out.

• 54:27Ryan Clark?

  One, Channing says it all the time and it's actually not true. Channing got this saying, he's like, "Everything always works out." Because he's always effing up, right? And then we always trying to figure out ways. Then you wake up the next day and it's fine. To, to, to, to make things happen. Cal, like, you know, you two are sitting here because the only way things work out is if y'all two get them done. Right? It's gonna be Sundays where they're like, "AJ, we can't help you. You gotta go win." There's gonna be Sundays where it's like, KP, like, "That's your matchup? If you get a corner, this is the route." Right? "If we get a safety, this is the route." Are you ready to, or how do you take that next step from being the guy that's, they're talking about being 91st

• 55:12Ryan Clark?

  and only having the one to, to being the dude? Bruh, you don't get drafted fourth at tight end to be good. Right. You get drafted fourth at tight end to be a Hall of Famer. How do you start taking those steps?

• 55:26Speaker 05

  Just gradual growth, just trying to chase progression, not perfection. Just each year, just trying to do something a little better, do some, I mean, obviously way better from year one to year two, just to keep being consecutive, just having those years where I'm staying up, not being, you know, rocky, being stagnant. So just that competitive, that competitive excellence, just if he does say, I need you to go win this ball. All right, let's do it. Like, I'm gonna tell him, let's, throw me this, he can't guard me, I've been toasting him all game. So just having that confidence and like that, uh, just manly, want to take the game over.

• 56:06Speaker 05

  That's, that's something I'm starting to feel like, you know, it's coming into me slowly and that's just how I feel.

• 56:12Ryan Clark?

  So you, you come into, you come into the Wednesday meeting, right? And I, I remember how it used to be, because I played safety, so I ain't really had to trip on it, you know?

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:21Ryan Clark?

  But, you know, you, you put the game plan in and they like, oh, this week we got Cincinnati, this week we got, oh, we got Minnesota, this week we got Los Angeles, and they're like, oh, shoot, you got Cincy, you got Jamar. Oh, we got Minnesota, you got Justin, you know, we got Los Angeles, you got Cooper, we got Las Vegas, you got Devante, on and on, because that's where you are now.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 56:44Ryan Clark?

  Right, like, that's the, that's the conversation you're in, that's the conversation that gets you paid, that's the conversation that gets you gold jackets. Is there anybody in the league on a Wednesday morning, your DC comes in and says, you know what, AJ, man? Like, that's your dude, and you like, um, coach, I get some help? Or anybody they put in front of you, you feel like that's you?

• 57:06Speaker 04

  There's no question, like, I'm ready for, like, for all challenges, like, when we walk in there on, on Wednesday, it should, I would feel disrespected if it's any other type of look or way, you know what I mean? Going in, like... Me going into the season, I already know, you know, my matchup or, you know, week to week. Like, I know already diced down the whole schedule. I respect all my opponents, but that, that right there don't even, don't, like I said, it'd be disrespectful to not think that I'm not following the one.

• 57:36Ryan Clark?

  So who you looking forward to seeing? And you said you got them bam bam bam bam bam. Who's the guy that you like, hey, this week?

• 57:42Speaker 04

  It's, it's, it's the whole, we got, we got a lot of shit on our schedule. Like, I'm just looking for it every week. We got week one, we got the Saints, we go to, uh, to the, to the Rams. We got Seattle, we got, uh, Cleveland.

• 57:57Ryan Clark?

  We got, so, so right now, we, we Michael Thomas, we Cooper Cup, we DK Metcalf.

• 58:02Channing Crowder?

  Mike Evans twice.

• 58:04Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  Mike twice.

• 58:05Fred Taylor?

  Big play.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Big play, for sure.

• 58:08Fred Taylor?

  So, so I'm, I'm, I'm gonna hit them with this. I got one for each of you, because I know we gotta wrap up you guys.

• 58:13Ryan Clark?

  They gotta work, I'm sorry. I get carried away.

• 58:15Fred Taylor?

  So, I'm gonna hit you with this, AJ. Um, Willie, downtown Willie Brown, Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, Ty Law, Darrell Rivas. You know what they all got in common?

• 58:28Speaker 04

  Jacket.

• 58:30Fred Taylor?

  Mine is one. Darrell hasn't got a jacket. But aside from that, you know what else they got in common?

• 58:37Speaker 04

  What they got in common?

• 58:38Fred Taylor?

  They're wearing number 24. They got a lot on their plate.

• 58:41Ryan Clark?

  That brother Freddie, TV sergeant.

• 58:45Fred Taylor?

  You ready for that?

• 58:46Speaker 04

  Number 24, yeah, yes, sir.

• 58:47Fred Taylor?

  You ready for that?

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:49Fred Taylor?

  Then on the flip side for you, we just talked about Tony Gonzalez, Rob Gronkowski.

• 58:56Channing Crowder?

  Gates, gotta throw Antonio.

• 58:57Fred Taylor?

  Antonio Gates. Now you got Travis Kelsey. You know, these guys.

• 59:02Channing Crowder?

  Kittle.

• 59:02Fred Taylor?

  Kittle.

• 59:03Ryan Clark?

  Darren Waller.

• 59:04Fred Taylor?

  Darren Waller. You ready?

• 59:06Speaker 05

  I'm ready. I'm ready.

• 59:09Fred Taylor?

  What, saying those names, what does it mean to you?

• 59:11Speaker 05

  Competition, like, I mean, year two, then year eight, or year nine, year 10, like, I feel like just seeing them at this young age is, all right, I need to go beat them.

• 59:23Fred Taylor?

  So the bar is high.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  The bar is high. There's some great tight ends in the league right now.

• 59:28Channing Crowder?

  Both of y'all, do y'all watch the current guys? Or y'all go back and watch the old guys? Like, will you watch Antonio Gates? Will you watch Champ and Deion? Or do y'all just watch the current guys?

• 59:39Speaker 05

  I'd say a mixture. Because the game wasn't the same.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  For sure, it's a mixture.

• 59:43Ryan Clark?

  Well, man, listen. I love it, man. I think, like, for us, as old heads, you know how it's always, it's always cool to feel valued, right? Because like, eventually, like, you get to a point and you realize you can't do what you once did. But we get two dudes like you to sit down with us, just chop it up, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're not coming on here with an agenda. And if we had any, if we had any plan, the plan is to show you to the world the way we see you. Man, so we appreciate your time, bro. Like, we know what it's like right now. Hell, I'm damn near part of the family with the way I fool with Dave, man, but we appreciate y'all. Ball out, man. And then, and remember this too, dawg. Like, I think the thing that you gotta remember is,

• 1:00:28Ryan Clark?

  it doesn't just roll over. You know what I'm saying? Because you were great as a rookie, because you were great in your second year, that doesn't mean the next year is gonna be exactly the same, or that adversity won't be different. You know what I'm saying? Like, prepare yourself to face that and be better than that. You know what I'm saying? That's how you get 13. That's how you get the gold jackets you want. That's how you get the money you want, is the fact that whatever is there, whatever is put in front of you, you've prepared yourself, even if indirectly, to be better than that. You know what I'm saying? And I think both of y'all have the potential to be one of the best, to not only do it at your position, but to ever do it, period. Man, take advantage of that. You don't get it back. We appreciate y'all, boy.

• 1:01:11Fred Taylor?

  You said it, baby. Progression, not perfection. Boy, I'ma still...

• 1:01:17Ryan Clark?

  That's gonna be a Freddie T-ism. That's gonna be a Freddie T-ism, right?

• 1:01:24Fred Taylor?

  Hey, I had to pull out the red and black for y'all boys to try to represent.

• 1:01:29Channing Crowder?

  I'ma take the charge. I'm, you know, I'ma get right as we take the charge.

• 1:01:32Fred Taylor?

  Man, he gonna toast you up so quick. That shit is dead off the jump. That's mine. That's mine.

• 1:01:39Channing Crowder?

  Challenge, challenge, challenge.

• 1:01:44Ryan Clark?

  He said he twenty thousand for them hoes, AJ. From year one to year two, I did this, the year three is gonna be the next step. Right, it's like every year you do. Right, but you gotta also.

• 1:01:53Fred Taylor?

  Awareness that do like that, like Madden that awareness.

• 1:01:55Ryan Clark?

  Exactly, you gotta understand too, people gonna game plan you different, people gonna game plan you different. Double team. Yeah, so see what I'm saying, it's gonna be like, okay, we got AJ now, we got emotion, get him in off coverage, we gotta put him in combo coverage, you know, the same thing for you, okay, Kyle split out, here's the route combinations, here's what we get, this is how we gonna play it.

• 1:02:13Fred Taylor?

  You imagine this NFL?

• 1:02:15Ryan Clark?

  What are you talking about?

• 1:02:16Fred Taylor?

  The new league?

• 1:02:16Ryan Clark?

  I can break that.

• 1:02:17Fred Taylor?

  Man.

• 1:02:18Ryan Clark?

  Have you seen his little hands?

• 1:02:19Fred Taylor?

  You gotta catch that.

• 1:02:19Channing Crowder?

  He had gray hands, he had gray hands.

• 1:02:20Fred Taylor?

  He got a one-handed teat tape.

• 1:02:23Ryan Clark?

  He's very.

• 1:02:23Fred Taylor?

  A highlight reel just on one-handed catches.

• 1:02:25Ryan Clark?

  Brady T, I don't care nothing about that.

• 1:02:27Fred Taylor?

  You know, we talk, then I'm a Gator, so I'm always like.

• 1:02:30Ryan Clark?

  I don't care.

• 1:02:31Fred Taylor?

  I gotta see him challenge.

• 1:02:32Ryan Clark?

  I don't care nothing about that film, I don't care nothing about the rules. I'm gonna show you some highlights. Check.

• 1:02:38Fred Taylor?

  That's a mismatch, down the scene?

• 1:02:40Channing Crowder?

  No, he a mismatch for sure.

• 1:02:41Fred Taylor?

  Down the scene?

• 1:02:42Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:09Speaker 06

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