Fred, Chan & Ryan: On Jerry Jones Photo, OBJ Moves & the Hardships of Parenting

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find On this Friday edition of The Pivot, Ryan and Channing welcome back Fred from his world travels and tackle some really tough topics. With all that is going on in the world right now, the guys felt it was necessary to sit as a group and have some timely discussions. The recent release of a photo with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones present during a time of segregation as a teenager sparked a lot of questions but also the need for an important conversation. Ryan leads the discussion saying the photo doesn't say Jerry is a racist but looking at his track record over the years, what should be more concerning is the lack of him in a position to elevate minorities to a higher positions and hasn't. Channing chimes in that his close relationships with his players doesn't mean he's elevating black people but just points to the fact that he is running a business and putting the best people to help him win. This past Sunday marked the 15th anniversary of Sean Taylor's passing and Ryan attended Washington's memorial unveiling which was not the tribute it should have been or could be as the guys talk about how a player and man of his stature deserves way more. OBJ watch is still in effect despite recent airline issues causing different type of headlines, the guys discuss making a mountain out of a molehill with the situation and agree teams will not be affected by this citation. Fred, Channing and Ryan make some late season picks for MVP, Offensive and defensive player of the year and Super Bowl bound teams. As they talk about the holidays and ups and downs of family gatherings, Ryan shares a heartfelt moment as a father and how parenting comes with no playbook and how it is not always the easiest of times, but it's always an unconditional love. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY) 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/PA/TN/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), visit OPGR.org (OR), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA (select parishes)/MI/NJ/NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. Void in ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 pre-game moneyline bet. Bet must win. $150 issued as six (6) $25 free bets. See terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/footballterms. Ends 12/30/22 at 11:59PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  We are the Pivot. Gosh, it feels so good to be back. We had Ryan Leaf on Tuesday, and now, man, Freddie T. Fresh! Back on this rock. Good to see you, my dog.

• 0:44Fred Taylor?

  What's up?

• 0:44Ryan Clark?

  Also, congratulations. First time we get an opportunity to be with you since being named a semifinalist for the Hall of Fame. For us, it's well overdue. How does it feel, bro?

• 0:55Fred Taylor?

  It's good. First is good to be back. I mean, listen, I got attacked on Instagram. You guys been posting shows without me? Man, they coming out the woodworks, man. Like, you done? What's going on? Nah, everything is good. This is families, these my brothers. So, we tight, drop that. But when it comes to the Hall of Fame talk, that's what it's talk. You know, it feels good to be back in that conversation. I want to get in a deeper conversation. I want to get in the finalist room. And hopefully, this is the year. But we just got to keep grinding and, um... Hopefully, at some point, the selectors call my number. But God's timing is the best timing. So, we just going to float until then.

• 1:35Channing Crowder?

  Fred, I got to ask you, man, how does it feel? I ain't going to have a chance. I don't know if RC will have a chance. But brother have no control of it. Just, there's nothing you can do. You can't talk to nobody. You can't argue with nobody. It's a group of people that's deciding on your future of getting that gold, Jack.

• 1:51Fred Taylor?

  What does arguing do? It comes across as crying, right?

• 1:54Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:55Fred Taylor?

  I mean, I've put in the work. That was years ago. I've been retiring now over 10 years. So, I've put in the work already. Now, it's up to the selectors, the people who, you know, know football. Um, if I could change anything, I would add, you know, the Hall of Famers that are in there. Or, you know, maybe in terms of politicking or campaigning. Guys that you played against. I would weigh their thoughts on the player and then include that in my decision if I was a selector. But it feels good, man. It does feel good. I never played for it, but it's happened, so let's see what happens.

• 2:34Channing Crowder?

  You gonna get on there. I'mma throw my drawers on the stage.

• 2:37Ryan Clark?

  Please don't. Because you look like you wear the white boxers from prison or tighty whities. And you don't baze enough for me to feel like that's sanitary in any way. As a matter of fact, what you do is buy a pair of drawers, like new ones, and just pull them out your pocket and throw them up there. If he threw his real drawers up there, that would ruin the Pivot. We would never be able to shoot another show.

• 3:04Channing Crowder?

  First off, the worst invention in the history of mankind is white drawers.

• 3:09Ryan Clark?

  I agree.

• 3:10Channing Crowder?

  Why you gonna ask a garbage man to wear a white outfit?

• 3:13Ryan Clark?

  That just make no sense. You around garbage all day.

• 3:16Channing Crowder?

  No, I'm not wearing no white drawers. Line myself up for disappointment.

• 3:20Ryan Clark?

  Hey, you know, you gonna line your lady up for disappointment because you know you nasty. She don't quite know.

• 3:50Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the Pivot. We got an opportunity a few weeks ago to do a show with just the three of us. We appreciate how positively it was received. And this is something that we want to do more often. We obviously understand how important the guests are, how those guests have allowed us to build a brand and also build this show and the following that we have that we're so appreciative of. To DraftKings and also to Happy Dad. Thank you so much for your sponsorship, for your partnership. We appreciate all that you've done. But for every subscriber, every viewer that continues to support us, thank you, thank you, thank you. Continue to like, continue to tell your friend, to tell a friend, to tell a friend to join us anytime. And the one thing we like to do with these shows is have an opportunity to talk about things that are currently.

• 4:35Ryan Clark?

  Going on, whether it be in sports and a lot of times for us, the way that sports actually affect and relate to real life. On November 23rd, the day before Thanksgiving, The Washington Post posted a story and it featured a picture of Jerry Jones. That picture is from September 9th, 1957. It's Jerry Jones and a group of white youngsters and a group of white young individuals protesting or having an issue standing in front of black students during desegregation. I think it was at North Little Rock High. It was the North Little Rock Six who was attempting to get into the school.

• 5:18Ryan Clark?

  And there's been a huge uproar about this. I think Stephen A. was one of those people who had an opportunity to talk about it. And he said that Jerry Jones didn't deserve for this picture to be posted or for this to be happening to him. When you think about that picture, what it means, what it looks like, Freddie T., what are your first and initial thoughts?

• 5:41Fred Taylor?

  Be a grown up. Don't be biased. Don't pick a side. I mean, pictures are worth a thousand words. You know, we don't know what stance he took. Quite frankly, I don't know what age he was at that time, but whatever the case, I know he was young. And if it was young Freddie T. in that photo, in that particular situation, I don't know what I would have been doing. If these were my really close friends, I probably would have been there, you know, backing him. But, you know, for me, R.C., I would say, pictures are worth a thousand words and so be it. I think a lot of people are reaching. And I think it's press, it's attention. They still got to find a way in this digital era to sell newspapers, right?

• 6:26Fred Taylor?

  So, I mean, I don't think much of it.

• 6:29Channing Crowder?

  It's great clickbait. You hit that on the head, too. But the funny thing is that all these kids, now these young people nowadays and players, athletes are getting in trouble with these cameras and these video phones. And in nineteen fifty-seven, they had the camera with the motherfucking bull broke out when they took a picture and Jerry got caught in the street. That was, my initial thought was, how in the hell they get a picture of Jerry Jones as a teenager? I didn't think they had cameras back then. But to your point Fred, when I saw it, it's easy to jump on the side of, oh, he didn't want the school to get segregated. He didn't want that, you know, he didn't want the segregation. But I look at the picture as a grown up, man was standing in the back. I just stand and watch plenty fights.

• 7:14Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? And how he grew up as well, fifty, fifty-seven, sixty-three, Jim Crow, Jim Crow ended. So the world he was living in told young Jerry that black people are less than white people. Does he agree with it? I don't see any bubbles coming off of that picture. I don't know his stance at the time. I'm sure Jerry, now this day and age is gonna say, he wasn't that, he was just sitting there watching, he was a part of the crew, whatever. That's what, only thing we'll know is what Jerry says now. But in that picture, as I look at that picture, the first thing is funny that there was a camera that old. The second thing was, I can't see him. He wasn't front line, he wasn't grabbing nobody, he wasn't screaming, he was standing there watching. So I'm not jumping on the side of this man's racist, I can't do it.

• 7:58Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I know he's done an interview, I haven't heard anything. You said, we don't know what Jerry would say now. What did Jerry say now?

• 8:05Ryan Clark?

  Jerry said that, that he was there and he was more of an observer. Uh, he said, honestly, he can't necessarily speak to exactly what he was doing or feeling at the time, but there wasn't anything in that picture that says that he was part of the mob or part of the individuals who were against the desegregation of the schools at that time.

• 8:29Fred Taylor?

  So what are your thoughts?

• 8:31Ryan Clark?

  I have a lot of thoughts. I think all we know is who people are today. Uh, we had the same conversation about Mitchell Miller. Mitchell Miller, who is now, uh, got his, gotten his contract rescinded by the Boston Bruins based on something he did as a child. Based on something he did in middle school. I think most of us, or all three of us, I can speak for us, agree that a lot of that was because... Isaiah was developmentally slow. I don't think any of us feel like using the N-word or mistreating a young black man or bullying a young black man normally gets contracts rescinded. I think that's the first thing. I understand that people that grew up like Jerry Jones,

• 9:16Ryan Clark?

  where Jerry Jones grew up, were part of that culture. That seeing Jerry Jones standing in that mob of people doesn't make Jerry Jones a racist. That seeing Jerry Jones standing in that mob of people doesn't say that Jerry Jones doesn't get an opportunity to prove that you can change, to prove that you can be different. It is a reminder of what this country was like. It's also a reminder of the upbringing of many people who run these teams. And, you know, I spoke to Channing about this earlier. We were sitting down, eating, and I said, "The type of racism that's easy to ignore is the type of racism I get in Louisiana a lot." Right? That the people that drive by my house from back on the bayou, who haven't accomplished as much as me,

• 10:01Ryan Clark?

  who haven't endured as much as me, who call me the N-word, that doesn't bother me. Right? That's just a word. The type of racism that does bother me is institutional, systemic. And when you can stop black people from elevating or getting certain jobs, that's a problem. Jerry Jones can do that. So now I gotta look at Jerry Jones's track record. I gotta look at in 2016, when Colin Kaepernick was protesting and when much of the many people in the league decided to protest, how many Dallas Cowboys protested? How many African-American players on the Dallas Cowboys team were willing to stand with Colin Kaepernick or even willing to speak on the behalf of what he was protesting? You didn't have to say you agree with Colin, but you could say, "You know what?

• 10:46Ryan Clark?

  Police brutality is an issue. Racism in this country is an issue." Nobody on that team did that in 2016. So much so that I can be honest, I had an issue with Dak Prescott. Because I felt like Dak Prescott had a voice, had a voice that he could use, but he couldn't because of who owned his team. And then, when the team finally did protest, Jerry Jones hijacked the protest.

• 11:08Channing Crowder?

  He went in there.

• 11:09Ryan Clark?

  Jerry Jones went out there and locked arms and said, "We're gonna do this and we're gonna do it this way." And so those things do bother me. Because those things do bring me back to a foundation, because we all have one. Then I said, "Okay, well, let me look at Jerry Jones' track record as an owner. It's a lot of black people Jerry Jones have made rich. It's a ton of black millionaires walking the face of this earth. We just had the Playmaker on this show who loves Jerry Jones. He changed the Playmaker's life. Playmaker never had an offensive coordinator that was black, though. In fact, over three owners, what is it, nine head coaches? They've never had a black offensive coordinator. They've had two black defensive coordinators, and I think the span of that is three or four years.

• 11:52Ryan Clark?

  The highest black ranking executive is a scout. I don't think that that picture means that Jerry Jones is racist. I don't think that picture means that Jerry Jones can't progress. I do think Jerry Jones' track record shows that Jerry Jones, at least intentionally, has not been about elevating black people to the positions of power and influence. And I think, to me, that is more concerning than the picture.

• 12:17Channing Crowder?

  We just sat down with Michael Irvin, and he loves Jerry Jones. But he gave Mike a lot of money to do a job. But think about that dynasty, Emmett, Troy, that, what we talked about with him.

• 12:29Ryan Clark?

  Charles Haley, Larry Allen, all those guys.

• 12:32Channing Crowder?

  All those big boys, Lett, Big Lett, what are they called, Cat, Big Cat, all them boys. He gave them a lot of money to do their job, but they all also upped the value of the Dallas Cowboys and put money in his pocket as well. He's paying employees, and that's what he's doing. So the whole thing about, you know, "Oh, they can't be racist," and not speaking of Jerry Jones, I bring up Bob McNair, who's a flat-out racist, we all know that.

• 12:55Ryan Clark?

  Ain't no discussion, no picture's gonna change my mind.

• 12:57Channing Crowder?

  Yes, Andre Johnson made a bunch of money off of him, Aaron Foster, I can go through dudes I played when he was there. He paid them a lot of money to play football for his team, to get a record, to make him look good. So if you're hiring black guys that are fast and can catch and can run and can throw, does that make you like black people? Does that make you not a racist? That's what I say when people wanna, you know, on the other side, when they wanna talk about, you know, it's slavery. Athletes are not slaves. It doesn't make any sense. You're getting paid millions. You can't be a slave.

• 13:27Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 13:27Channing Crowder?

  Go look at what slavery really was. Anybody brings that up, that pisses me off when you bring that up. But to the point you made about the, the, the higher ranking executives, bringing people of color to that standpoint, that's interesting to me. If you're hiring somebody just to run, run real fast and catch good and throw far, there would be a number of owners, the way they grew up, that would hire an entire white team if they could. But they wouldn't win a damn game.

• 13:55Ryan Clark?

  Zero.

• 13:57Channing Crowder?

  And that's what it is. So do, does that make you like black people, accept black people, want to raise up black people because you hire them to play a sport? In my mind, it's not.

• 14:05Ryan Clark?

  Job.

• 14:06Fred Taylor?

  You know, I, I think it was brilliant of the Washington Post to even run that story. The person, whoever found the picture, I'm sure they got a wad of money, right? But the Post, they don't lose anything. It's more eyes on their platform. Because much like what we're doing here right now, we're talking about it. It's there for the entire world to talk about it and form an opinion. We don't know. But there are some underlying layers, as you mentioned, RC. And we can paint the picture however we feel within our mind after looking at this photo, knowing what you just said. And then you make a decision, like you're not going to deal with Jerry every day on, on a day-to-day basis. You know, how does it affect your life?

• 14:50Fred Taylor?

  You're going to make, you know, you're going to make an, form an opinion on the photo and you're going to keep pushing. Now, whether you see Jerry down the road in front of the Cowboys and the star doing interviews, whatever, whatever, uh, whatever your decision you made then as it relates to the photo, you're probably going to think that, right? But who's it going to matter to other than you?

• 15:12Ryan Clark?

  I think that's it too, right? It's going to be everybody's opportunity and their right to look at a picture or look at a track record. And they're going to come up with their opinion of a human. A lot of times, those opinions don't matter. It's not necessarily why they lived their lives. But in staying in the same context of ownership, Freddie T. Last week, I had an opportunity to go to the new installation for Sean Taylor. In leading up to it, I was talking to people about Daniel Snyder. And Daniel Snyder, obviously, there's so much going on with that team. Whether it be harassment, whether it be racism, FBI probes, all of these different things.

• 15:53Ryan Clark?

  And it's been misstep after misstep in the way that the Washington now commanders have handled that situation, even down to a PR release or media release that was just so awfully worded and so, and just so pompous and arrogant. You know, and you're like, gosh, these guys don't get it. The one thing I think that Daniel Snyder has gotten is understanding his his relationship with players and how to like love on them. And I say that because of Sean Taylor. I had an opportunity to be with Big Jackie and Lil Jackie. You know, that was his fiance at the time of his passing. And obviously, his daughter and like to see her, his daughter, see different things in the stadium, man, and cry.

• 16:35Ryan Clark?

  Right? And she, she was so young when he passed, she don't know it. Right? She never got, she doesn't remember his touch. She doesn't remember his face, all those things. And so those opportunities and times that we get to talk about him are times that she gets to feel close and know that that's who her father was. And know what he's meant to all of these people. And so we get to the installation and we've done this big tour, man. And the family's happy. I see Pete, who's his father, Gabriel, his little brother, man. We're there and it's covered and I'm just so excited because I'm like, man, like finally, you know, they're going to put something in this stadium 15 years to his death that is fully going to encapsulate what he means to all of these people. Like the folks are crying.

• 17:19Ryan Clark?

  And you know, they showed a video and it's smooth and it's Sean Springs and Tana, man, they're talking. And I'm crying by this point. I'm kind of in the back and I'll never go back for any of this stuff. And like they, they raised, they raised the curtain. And once the tears start, I was like.

• 17:38Ryan Clark?

  Is this?

• 17:40Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 17:41Ryan Clark?

  You know.

• 17:42Fred Taylor?

  They gotta make right with that.

• 17:43Ryan Clark?

  And you got an opportunity to see that Freddie T. And I saw you post, you was like, lil bro, man. When you looking at that, like, what are you thinking?

• 17:50Fred Taylor?

  Well, I mean, obviously, we all miss Sean T. Just an amazing soul, right?

• 17:58Fred Taylor?

  Man, they gotta do right. I, I think that's a mannequin.

• 18:02Ryan Clark?

  So it's like a wired metal mannequin?

• 18:05Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, no, I think he deserves it. Statues are inexpensive. He's a, he's an iconic player, you know? He, he's a Doug Williams of sorts. When you mentioned the Redskins, right? He's gonna be one of those guys who's immortal, you know? And forever tied to this franchise. There will be stories about Sean T. And how the potential he had and how great of a player he was, right? Uh, I, I, I am grateful that, of the honor. Uh, I think they could have done a bit more, right? And I see, uh, people have made somewhat of a mockery of it. Uh, even some of the fans on, on social media. You know, think he deserves a statue and not necessarily what looks almost like a, a mannequin.

• 18:50Channing Crowder?

  They should have made a mockery. Macy's statues are nicer than that.

• 18:54Ryan Clark?

  That's real.

• 18:55Channing Crowder?

  Swear to God, Macy's has nicer statues of Sean Taylor, what he is, what he meant to that organization. They put the big red felt, pull it on. They could have put some newspaper over that little piece of shit that they put out there for Sean T. They, any, anybody upset is justified. Because they made a bit, to your point, missteps. Made a gigantic movement. Put all the social media, had all the, the news stations out there to see this. Everyone that loves Sean T. And then y'all gonna pull out the wired mannequin on the man? I'm to your point, I don't know how much a, what a damn statue costs to make. But Dan has it.

• 19:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 19:32Channing Crowder?

  The commanders have it. Why would you go the cheap route? There is no way. Add the jersey, the pants, the socks, the... There is no way that thing costs more than $500 to make. $500. You gonna make a big deal out of spending $500 on Shanti and remembering him and making it a big deal? Fifteen years, fifteen years to his death? That was embarrassing.

• 19:52Ryan Clark?

  The difficult part, being someone who was close to him and who loved him, was I got to see like the entire day in the way that they did love on baby Jackie. And I was like, man, like, this is cool. You know, and then also just being the friend, I was like, man, like, if y'all are happy, I'm happy. You know what I'm saying? Like, if y'all could smile, man, and y'all feel good, you know, and, and, and they, and they did, you know, for the most part. Jackie said something to me. You know, her mom was like...

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• 20:52Ryan Clark?

  For me, fifteen years, they're still talking about him. And they're still bringing him up. And they're still honoring him. And that was the vein I wanted to look at, because I was like, well, she okay? Like, how, like, I'm gonna be pissy.

• 21:03Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 21:04Ryan Clark?

  You know, and I sent out, you know, guys, Sunday's my tweet day. You know? I sent out one tweet. And I sent out the tweet, and I just talked about losing him, but the fact that I got to see his daughter be close to him. And I said, and this is your day, and this is my only tweet. And that was the reason, because I was asked so many times, what do you feel? And I'm gonna be honest, man, like, I feel like it was bull crap. And it also speaks to no one truly caring about him. Not necessarily not caring about his daughter, because I watched that. And I watched him pay attention to her. But if you loved him, right? And if you are actually a part of the way that he moved people, there's no way you let that happen. You see what I'm saying?

• 21:47Ryan Clark?

  Like, like, like, if, if they come to Channing and something happens, and it's one of your boys, and they're like, Channing, man, like, what do you think it is? You'd have been like, nah, that ain't it. Same thing with you, Fred, no, that's not it. They didn't ask nobody, though. You know what I'm saying, like, like, like, they didn't, they didn't bring it to people that were true. Ask a fan. Ask a fan, like, uh, the, the dude, the dude played, like, he played five years. You know what I'm saying, like, he didn't, he didn't even finish that. You know what I'm saying, and the reason he deserved the statue is because of what he did in that time. In that time, he moved people. There are a generation of safeties, very, like, tall safeties, who only play that position, because he made it cool.

• 22:29Ryan Clark?

  Everybody wanted the ball, everybody, he could have played anything he wanted to, he chose that. And so now, for him to encapsulate that position in that way, here, because we're still here, just do it the right way. And my hopes are, if whatever happens with the team going forward, that they rectify. That they fix it. What do you think is the proper way to go forward with it for A.T.? Do you leave it like that and say, well, this is what we decided to do?

• 22:59Fred Taylor?

  Nah, you can't.

• 23:00Ryan Clark?

  Or do you admit the mistake and change it?

• 23:01Fred Taylor?

  You can't leave it like that. I mean, you, you can say, we recognize it here, you know, in year fifteen, milestone. But you have to do something better. You know, you, you, you gotta keep the seats filled, you gotta clean up all that other mess that you're dealing with. But you have to make sure you take care of one of yours.

• 23:20Ryan Clark?

  It was time to get it right, you could have.

• 23:21Fred Taylor?

  It was time then.

• 23:23Ryan Clark?

  It was one of those days.

• 23:24Fred Taylor?

  It's not too late. It's not too late.

• 23:26Channing Crowder?

  But to your point, and Dan Snyder's in the hot seat right now, and there's rumors he might get, what, six billion off the commanders? I honestly, in my heart, believe it's gonna be the next ownership group that gets it right. Because there's so many missteps, for him to, to your point, I love what you said, why didn't he, why didn't you go to some of his friends? Some of his family, not even your players. Ask his, ask his, his, ask Jack. Ask his mom, ask his dad. His dad is a well-respected dude.

• 23:55Fred Taylor?

  Let me ask you this. One, why does he have to?

• 24:01Fred Taylor?

  He does. I mean, because he knows Sean. Out of respect for Sean T. He knows Sean T. That was one of his favorite guys. So why not out the gate say, I'm gonna do the best of the best for my guy? And, and, and on the other side of that is because of everything that's going on. Cause it's been, like, when we get it, when the public gets it, like, they've already known about it, right? Did that interfere with that decision? Or was this something quick just to get it done because they're handling so much other crap on the back end?

• 24:33Ryan Clark?

  The Philly special has a statue. Nick Foles and Doug Peterson have a statue that is a likeness of them discussing the call.

• 24:46Ryan Clark?

  And S. Dot got that for dying. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Like, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm ever around y'all babies, man, and y'all ain't around, I'm gonna take care of them like they my babies. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, that's what you do for people you love. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I'm ever in charge of anything and it's about somebody I love, like, I'm gonna do it like I do it for everybody else I love. Like, if, if, if, if Jordan or Jaden or Logan got an opportunity to get something and they say, RC, you are in charge of making sure whatever the reward matches the accomplishment.

• 25:23Ryan Clark?

  That's how I'm gonna do it for y'all kids. That's how I'm gonna do it for y'all babies. If, if my son didn't get to reach his potential, but even in the short time he was here, he changed my, he changed Daniel Snyder's life.

• 25:36Ryan Clark?

  How do you, how do you reward the people that gave him to you or the people he was taken away from? And not think to yourself, they changed my life? And so I think to, to me, that was, that was the bigger issue. Not that the installment wasn't as great as we would hope. I think that the installment didn't seem as heartfelt as we would have hoped or as I thought he deserved.

• 26:02Channing Crowder?

  The thought was great, the execution was trash.

• 26:05Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 26:06Channing Crowder?

  That's what it is. For the entire organization to put that day aside. It, it did, it hit you. Oh, you went, like you said, you went up there.

• 26:13Fred Taylor?

  Something just hit me too, Chan.

• 26:15Ryan Clark?

  Never been back for any, for anything.

• 26:18Channing Crowder?

  But now, just like Daniel Snyder has done in the past, he execute wrong. Missteps, like you said. It's another misstep.

• 26:26Ryan Clark?

  The boys are back together again. I mean, it's always fun when the three of us get to just chop it up. A lot of times, we like to chop it up about DraftKings. And if you get to DraftKings right now, any new customer that uses the promo code PIVOT, any pregame money line wager bet of $5, that's it. If you hit it, you get $150 in free bets. And that's not all they do, Freddie.

• 26:46Fred Taylor?

  Hey, no matter where you at, DraftKings got something for you. We got the DraftKings Daily Fantasy. That'll put some money in your pocket. And DraftKings Rainmakers. No matter where you at, go get that paper.

• 26:57Channing Crowder?

  And I'm coming with the same game parlays like always. There's Miami-San Francisco game. I'mma hit them in the head and some unders because this San Fran defense is biting right now. Same game parlays. Same game, you bet multiple bets, you win more money.

• 27:12Ryan Clark?

  Like the boys said, man, same game parlays are hitting. But remember, there's also daily fantasy. And it's not just football. Get on any of your mobile devices and download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. That's the DraftKings Sportsbook app. Any new customer, pregame money line wager, $5. If you use the promo code PIVOT, you win? That's $150 in free bets. DraftKings Sportsbook app. Now, back to the show.

• 27:42Fred Taylor?

  So, let's go from football to football. Based on what you said, the thought was great. The execution was trash. What organization am I talking about?

• 27:51Ryan Clark?

  Denver.

• 27:54Fred Taylor?

  Man, what's going on over there?

• 27:56Channing Crowder?

  They can't generate no damn offense. That's why that Big D lineman snapped on Russ.

• 27:59Fred Taylor?

  In that, and I'm not, I know people say Freddie's always defending Russ. With Chan, no. What I'm saying is, much like the Jerry Jones picture, we weren't on the sideline. And both of them have commented afterwards, right? Russ said, he said, "Hey, let's go." And basically, I said, "All right, let's get this shit going." "All right, cool." And that's what they're saying, the conversation between the two of them were. You know, you get fired up during the game. It ain't always snapping. You might go over to the office and say, "Hey, y'all, get y'all shit together." They come to you and say, "Channing, get that shit, get your boys, get that shit together." But the media, it get it overexposed, for the most part. Again, we weren't there. So I won't say that part, but they are playing bad. They are playing bad.

• 28:43Channing Crowder?

  They have a playoff caliber defense. If they could score more than 14 points a game.

• 28:49Fred Taylor?

  I understand that.

• 28:50Channing Crowder?

  You give a man a quarter billion dollars? Quarter billion?

• 28:54Ryan Clark?

  They scored 20 points twice.

• 28:56Channing Crowder?

  We in Week 11? They scored 20 points twice, Freddie? That is a terrible offense. You give a man a quarter billion dollars? Nothing attached to any off-the-field stuff in the past. If I'm on that team, and you hear the stories of Russ having his own office, they bring him in, they treat him like the golden child, and you're supposed to save us? You gave up all the draft picks? Now you're here to save us? And you're scoring 18 points a game? Whatever teams is, that's why them dudes are mad. I'm surprised, Freddie, this didn't happen before this.

• 29:30Fred Taylor?

  Are we overanalyzing it? Because he was, he left Seattle with a great defense. Are we missing those times where, you know, Cam or Rich came over and snapped on Russ because he wasn't playing great? Are things more magnified because he's playing the worst he's ever played?

• 29:49Channing Crowder?

  Hell, yeah!

• 29:50Fred Taylor?

  And they're picking that up?

• 29:50Channing Crowder?

  Yes, Freddie!

• 29:51Fred Taylor?

  Well, okay, that's okay. So you answered my point.

• 29:54Channing Crowder?

  No, Freddie T., it's different, Freddie T. Freddie T.

• 29:57Fred Taylor?

  Football is football.

• 29:58Channing Crowder?

  Freddie T., if we are a good football team, which the Seattle Seahawks always were when they had Cam, when they had Rich, when they had Earl, Bobby Wagner, all these people, right? If we are a good football team, and we win games, and you aren't playing great that day, right? Because we ain't winning games if you never play good, or if you never play great. And I walk over to you in that moment, you know what it is? Freddie T., you know how we do. This ain't us.

• 30:26Ryan Clark?

  And you know how you receive that? You damn right, RC. Let's go play. Right? That's what happens. Right? It's a whole difference when you suck. Because when you suck, stuff hit differently. Right? Like if you, like when you tell people stuff and they know they dead wrong, you receive it different. You know what I'm saying? Like when we were a good defense and if we were having a tough day. Or like Coach Tomlin say in the Super Bowl. Right? When, when we give up them points in the fourth quarter and he's like, nah, if you, if y'all win this, y'all still a legendary defense. Nah, he knew we wasn't playing well. But he knew up until that point, the reason we were there was us and that we could fix it. Then that dude was frustrated.

• 31:09Ryan Clark?

  That wasn't a like, a let's effing go, like before the game, let's effing go Tom Brady throwing his hand at the crowd. That was like a mother eff of we been going. It's time for you to go. And I think that Russ is now in a place and I am gonna be for A.T. today. I'm gonna defend him. I hate that now the whole world wants to jump on who he is as a person. There's a, he posted a video and I get it, like it is like different to see a dude. One, he was clean walking into the stadium. That's first off. The blue trench with the, the diamond cross, that's, that was hard. With the golf boots? Yeah, that, I thought that was hard. I mean, you can't dress, so you can't come.

• 31:53Ryan Clark?

  I know the golf boots ain't cool. Right? So he got the, he got the slow mo walking in, which is dope. Right? And if they were, if, if he was Jalen Hurts, cause Jalen Hurts do that. If he was Jalen Hurts, the Philadelphia Eagles fans would have been fired up. They would have been like, ooh, I see you with the student with the, with the chain. Right? Cause they winning. Now Russ, everybody wants to jump on him. They wanna call him, they wanna say it's corny and they, you know, it was some, it was some people that are not of our complexion. They was like, this is so cringe. Uh-uh, don't you do that. Don't you, don't you do that because before it was, he was a great father. He's a great husband. He's a great philanthropist. All this other stuff.

• 32:36Ryan Clark?

  He was all that and that don't have nothing to do with how that man plays football. Right. So just because you don't feel like he playing football the way he's supposed to do, don't you attack? No, no, you said that was attacking his character. Don't you damn dare. Uh-uh, not because he played, but that shows you if you can play the game, people excuse a lot of stuff, Chan.

• 33:00Channing Crowder?

  Yes, I see them same people, the same people that got all upset.

• 33:05Channing Crowder?

  When I had my, when I, we had to talk with Russ, right? There are some great fathers, philanthropists, people, human beings, sons, brothers, that live down the street from them. They don't give a damn about Johnny down the road. They don't give a damn about Sam or Willie. They care about Russ because he is a good quarterback. They care about Russ because he won a Super Bowl. That's why they care about this man's character and all that stuff. I say it all the time. I played with some amazing football players. The best humans that I played with, the dudes that I would call to get advice, call if me and my wife get into it, call for real life advice, are not the Hall of Famers I played with. And I love JT and Jeff, I love all them boys, Zach and all my guys,

• 33:49Channing Crowder?

  but there are better people, if I said their names, everybody watching would be like, who, who again, they'd have to Google them. But the reason that you know Russ and care about Russ is football. That's what it is. People don't want to admit it, I say it all the time. I love you, Chan, I love you, hey, I love you, love watching you play, hey, this, that. Hey, if I go bankrupt, you gonna pay my mortgage?

• 34:10Channing Crowder?

  Now they start smiling, you boy, you always joking. I know I'm joking because you're not gonna do it. How much do you love me? You love me because I ran around and tackled. They love you, Ryan, sorry to say it, because your ass was a hell of a safety. Freddie T, if you couldn't run that ball, they wouldn't give a damn about you.

• 34:26Fred Taylor?

  I already know that. But back to my original question. What is going on in Denver? Is it, is it Russ? Is it Nathaniel Hackett? Because Russ isn't, Russ can't be as bad as he's playing.

• 34:40Channing Crowder?

  Nathaniel Hackett. Look up the good teams in the league right now. Any good team, strong head coach, good quarterback. That's where the league's going. I hate it. I say it all the time, 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucks. What year was that? Y'all goddamn Steelers.

• 34:54Ryan Clark?

  2008?

• 34:55Channing Crowder?

  Eight, the 2008 Steelers. I love teams that you know if they get to double digits, they got a chance to win. Put 12 on the board, we could win this game. That's gone in the league now, Freddie. So you gotta have them two guys. Right now, they have an unproven head coach and they have a quarterback that is playing way below. I watched him play in Seattle. So you could blame it on whoever you want to. Russ is not making the throws. I know they're giving him injury excuses. He's not making the throws. He's not extending plays like he did. He's a different quarterback now. I don't know if he's getting old or what. Watching him with no sound on, no commentators anywhere. Watching him play football right now, you say that's not the same guy I watched in Seattle.

• 35:35Fred Taylor?

  All right, let's talk about Aaron Rodgers. Is he done in Green Bay?

• 35:39Channing Crowder?

  No. You don't go from back-to-back MVPs to done. I think Aaron Rodgers, you put Aaron Rodgers on a team with some weapons, Aaron Rodgers would be the same MVP he was last year.

• 35:49Fred Taylor?

  Some weapons.

• 35:49Channing Crowder?

  Weapons. He has no weapons. He's throwing a lizard.

• 35:52Ryan Clark?

  First off, Aaron Rodgers' body is beat up. Aaron Rodgers' ribs are banged up now. Aaron Rodgers' thumb was hurt early on in the season. I don't think Aaron Rodgers has the type of team around him. At least early, Christian Watson has come along now, what, six tubs in the last three games? And so like, I think those things are starting to build. But we spoke about it, bro, like times is changing. Like times are changing. Like the best quarterbacks in the leagues now are named Patrick and they're named Josh and they're named Joe Burrow and they're named Tua Tagovailoa and they're named Jalen Hurts. Like all that junk, like all that junk is over. And it's sad, but it's okay. Cause like the league is still in good hands.

• 36:34Ryan Clark?

  And I think the hardest part about it all for us is that we were just so comfortable with it. Like it was so easy to cut on the TV and know Green Bay was gonna play good because he quarterbacked. It was so easy to know that whether it was the Patriots or now Tampa Bay, that team was gonna play good because Tom Brady was the quarterback. Right? That Russell Wilson, when he was in Seattle, you knew he was gonna get good quarterback play. Like that junk is different. And the other thing about these young boys, they don't care. Like that, like, nobody stands across from Tom Brady now and thinks about 2007. All them folks care about is 2022. And they know that when y'all catch these Ls, Tom looked bad after the game. Tom looked old.

• 37:16Ryan Clark?

  They know that when Aaron caught that L this weekend, Aaron looked old, man. Like, this is a young man's game. And honestly, Tom Brady is the reason that we're so surprised by this. We're surprised because it's like, dang, they human. Like, man, I would rather have Patrick Mahomes. Like, Patrick ain't dealing with this. And it kind of just points you to, like, the importance of the quarterback position. Michael Parsons asked, like, a very important question on Twitter. He was like, why is the MVP a quarterback award? Why are the other guys never mentioned? And if the other dudes do get mentioned, the type of season and dominance you have to

• 37:58Ryan Clark?

  display as a positional player is legitimately out of this world. So it's the reason that they got an MVP, an Offensive Player of the Year, and a Defensive Player of the Year. Because the people that make the dang awards understand MVP is going to be given to the best quarterback on the team that's really good. And now, we can also give these other dudes some shine by getting this award. Do you think that they should change that? And if you think they can change it, they should change it, Chad. How in the hell do you change the mind of the voters, of the people that see who the MVP is?

• 38:31Channing Crowder?

  It's hard. Because if it's an offensive guy, right? If it's a receiver, the quarterback's getting him the ball. So, like, I could bring up Tyreek. Tyreek had 1,100 yards through eight games. But Tua was throwing it to him. You know what I'm saying? Tua is right now in the top five. They're not talking about Tyreek. And Tyreek, just saying, out of his world. Tyreek could have 2,000 yards. It's been down the last couple of weeks, 85, 64, whatever. If he has 2,000 yards, to your point, you'd have to break a NFL record as a position player. You have to break the sack record. You can't tell me, it's the funniest thing in the world. Ask somebody, who was the most dominant player in the NFL? A lot of people say Aaron Donald. He's better at his job than anybody else is at their job. Why has he never been MVP?

• 39:16Channing Crowder?

  He's the best player. He was on the Super Bowl team. He was on the Super Bowl defense. He made the defense. He, he had to play in the Super Bowl to win it when the receiver was wide open down the damn sideline and he sacked Joe Burrow.

• 39:30Fred Taylor?

  Played before that, he had the run stop.

• 39:32Channing Crowder?

  Had the run stop. Back to back plays in the Super Bowl when the best defender of the Super Bowl.

• 39:36Fred Taylor?

  Cooper Cup, NFL MVP, uh, Super Bowl MVP.

• 39:38Channing Crowder?

  It's cute. Everybody, people hate when I talk about this. I love a good old fashioned damn seventeen to ten football game. A fight, a fight. Green Bay, Philadelphia. They had fifty points in the first half. Fifty points in the first, you might want to take the defensive off, we might have go to seven oh seven. Cause this isn't football anymore. But that to your answer it, you can't change, you know what? It's actually getting worse now with how games getting played. With all this passing, with, you know, all this scoring, everybody want to score. It's getting worse and it's gonna put the quarterback on a higher pedestal. Cause you talked to some old quarterbacks, I talked to Marino about it, I talked to some old receivers about it. They would love to play this day and age on how the, how the game is going. Fifty-eight pass attempts a game.

• 40:22Channing Crowder?

  Patrick Mahomes would get damn near sixty pass attempts a game. That's why he's gonna be, he has the ball more than anybody else and he's getting more opportunities than anybody else.

• 40:29Fred Taylor?

  I think in this digital age, data, storage and everything that the NFL is doing with algorithms and AI. You know, I think they should create a system, right? A weighted system and, and, and be able to look at that because if you don't create a system, it just comes, it's no real criteria. You know, it's biased, heavily tilted towards the quarterback position. But you have to create some sort of weight system and add points to it, right? Each category. And then that way, that probably help you determine the player because otherwise we're gonna be stuck in the same system. We've always been stuck in and it's gonna always heavily favor the quarterback position unless like you said. Someone else breaks the record. You gotta rush for over twenty-one hundred now.

• 41:15Fred Taylor?

  You gotta receive for over two thousand. You know, those type of thing, hundred and fifty catches, something like that. Uh, otherwise, pleasure have to win.

• 41:23Ryan Clark?

  Cooper Cup run the trip, won the triple crown and nobody even thought about him having an opportunity to be the MVP. Like it just wasn't a question. Like you would hear people when we talked about it throughout the season. Cooper Cup gonna be the offensive player of the year because we have all now accepted that the quarterbacks are gonna win the MVP. I think if I can come from my media perspective, I think here's why.

• 41:50Ryan Clark?

  There are less of them than there are of anything else. There are less great ones of them than they are anything else. As great as Aaron Donald is, you say, you know what? How good would the Rams have been last year if Chris Jones played tackle for the Los Angeles Rams instead of Aaron Donald? You'd be like, they probably just still been pretty good. Then you say, well, how good would they have been if they didn't have Matthew Stafford? Well, if it was Jared Goff, he could have been OK. We've seen him be OK with him, but we don't know. You take Patrick Mahomes off of Kansas City, you're like, ah, I don't know. Right? Tua Tagovailoa hasn't lost a game. He started and finished up to this point. But they did lose games when he wasn't. And so, and so I think that that's why it starts to be weighted the way it is,

• 42:34Ryan Clark?

  because it ain't basketball. Right? Where in basketball, like, you gotta do it all. You gotta run down there, stop people, you gotta run down there and score. And so I think that those things are things that kind of put it in that perspective.

• 42:47Channing Crowder?

  I'll just quickly, I just want to follow up on Fred said. To try to make it analytical, because this is human, it's human error. It's hu- it's human thought. You say, how do you, you add, how do you change people's mind frame about an MVP race? Remember BCS? In college football, they tried to put it on a computer. To your point, Fred, they tried to make it numbers driven. Everybody hated it. Oh, they have two losses, but their losses were to to great teams. So every, so now the computer is putting in data and spitting out your top four. No, everybody complained about BCS. Now we go back to voters, and everybody complained about the voters. But they want to put it in the humans' hands over computers' hands. I love the thought of making it analytical and making it number driven. They can't do it.

• 43:31Channing Crowder?

  I saw that, I saw that with college football, tried to do it. Nobody's gonna go for that.

• 43:35Ryan Clark?

  I think the the biggest thing is, somebody always gonna dang complain.

• 43:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 43:39Ryan Clark?

  Right? Somebody's gonna have an issue, and I think the NFL has done the best they could with this. There's gonna be an MVP, and that's probably gonna be a quarterback. We're gonna give the Offensive Player of the Year to somebody who's a non-quarterback as long as they play really, really, really, really good. Because if we gotta give it to Tom Brady because he wins, or we have to give it to Aaron Rodgers, or whoever it is, because they win, but Drew Brees plays really good, we might have to give him the Offensive Player of the Year. Right? Like, that's like, that's what happens. My my last thing would be this. Somebody who I think could have, who had the talent to be the Offensive Player of the Year, uh, many years, uh, started off in New York. Then went to Cleveland, had an amazing finish to the 2021 season in Los Angeles.

• 44:23Ryan Clark?

  Some people think could have been the Super Bowl MVP had he finished was Odell Beckham Jr. Odell Beckham Jr. is coming up on making his decision. He's visited, you know, he's going to visit with the Giants. He's going to visit with the Dallas Cowboys presumably and also I guess the Buffalo Bills on the pitch that we talked to Von about his sales pitch. He was recently taken off of a plane, leaving Miami, I think headed to the West Coast. And they said he was unresponsive in some points, wouldn't put on his seatbelt, different things like this. I remember seeing the picture that somebody posted along on Twitter. It's like him crying in his Super Bowl hat. And even though like I know what the picture is, it's a picture that's not very, it's not an attractive picture, right?

• 45:08Ryan Clark?

  It's not, it's not a picture that seems like good things are happening in his life. And I think that you do that on purpose, right? So people look at it. But I want to talk to the perception of that. A guy who has had people say things about him just based off of what they see. And now you hear this story. It's been said that if everything checks out with the story, which it looks like it does, like he just walked off the plane, didn't seem like a big deal, maybe a long night on South Beach or whatever it is.

• 45:37Ryan Clark?

  How do you feel that affects what a team wants to give him going forward? And what impact do you think he can have this year?

• 45:46Channing Crowder?

  Oh, the effect it has on the team, I honestly believe, because I've seen so many different situations, guys mess up. We spoke about, hell, Deshaun Watson's coming back. You know what I'm saying? He's coming back this Sunday. So guys can do things. I don't think it affects him at all. I don't think somebody's going to give him a big deal anyway, coming off the second ACL tear. So he's going to get a puppy deal, he's going to get a prove it deal. I think any team, you speak about Buffalo, you speak about, you know, Dallas and all them. I don't think anybody pulled back off of that because of the fact this wasn't Ben Stiller in anger management.

• 46:18Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 46:18Channing Crowder?

  He's not elbowing stewardess in the face. The man was asleep.

• 46:22Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 46:23Channing Crowder?

  The man was asleep. This could have happened to me before, but I ended up putting on my seatbelt before, before I put their head back on the rest. You know what I'm saying? Long night on South Beach. Oh, it's 4 a.m. My flight is 7.

• 46:33Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 46:33Channing Crowder?

  I'm gonna just stay up. I'm gonna go to the, uh, the Red Bird. What's it called? The little, the, the, the, the breakfast spot down on, on Washington. I'm gonna go slide in here, give me some waffles, and I'm gonna go straight to the airport. When I get on that plane, I'm going to bed.

• 46:45Fred Taylor?

  News Cafe.

• 46:46Channing Crowder?

  News Cafe right there too. I'm, I'm going to bed. So I, clickbait. We talked about Jerry earlier, that picture, clickbait. You're talking about what is trying to make Odell clickbait. Read what attorney put out. This man wasn't crazy. He wasn't wild. He wasn't fighting. He wasn't screaming. He wasn't cussing. I've seen some crazy videos of MFers on planes going crazy. But it's Odell Beckham and he was sleeping. And you couldn't wake him up on the runway, but you could wake him up at the gate.

• 47:13Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 47:14Channing Crowder?

  The whole story to me sounds like they knew this was Odell Beckham.

• 47:18Fred Taylor?

  They knew it was.

• 47:19Channing Crowder?

  That's my problem. Would you have dealt with a different human being the way you dealt with Odell? And I don't think so. And I think, I think they are making a mountain out of a mole here with this Odell Beckham Jr.

• 47:28Fred Taylor?

  It's not gonna run anyone away. Everybody that's contending or each team that wants him, they're gonna still chase him. Minimal deal, maybe two-year deal, no signing bonus, high incentives. He gotta come back and prove himself. You know, there's a big question mark. He is returning from a double ACL. So, uh, I, I, I think that, that the airplane thing is just attention. It's, it's, you know, uh, whatever you think it might be is your perception of it. Uh, he could have been loopy. It's a five-hour flight. I'm taking my Xanax when I get on the flight. And the Xanax will have you in and out of sleep. And, and I'm, I'm, uh, prescribed Xanax.

• 48:06Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 48:07Fred Taylor?

  So I take Xanax before I fly.

• 48:09Channing Crowder?

  Right?

• 48:09Fred Taylor?

  And, and it has me loopy. So, I mean, I, I think they're just blowing it out of proportion. Um, hopefully we can see him somewhere soon.

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• 50:06Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think that's one of those things. Anytime Odell Beckham Jr. does something, it's gonna make news. It's going to be important. It's gonna be one of those things that we continue to hear about until we don't. Until something else happens and they find a flavor of the day. I think it's a situation for him that I just think is unfortunate timing. And if you're a team and we've seen how these teams do business, they'll use anything that they can not to give you money that you already earned or that you deserve. And I think that could be the situation here, but this is truly, to me, at least, much to do.

• 50:40Channing Crowder?

  They gonna ask him.

• 50:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 50:42Channing Crowder?

  They gonna ask him. I got asked, because I got locked up all them time in college and on there, you know, drunk or inebriated, I don't say. It wasn't all liquor. It was different items.

• 50:53Ryan Clark?

  Under the influence?

• 50:54Channing Crowder?

  Under the influence. So they say that, so every team I sit down with at the Combine, they ask me, "Do you have a drug problem? Do you have an alcohol problem? Do you have this problem?" They ask me. They're gonna ask Odell. When he comes into the teams, "Hey, we just saw what happened in Miami. Are you on something? Do you have a problem?" If he says no, I'm good. Or if he says yes, and he tells them whatever was going on. We don't know, but if there was something in his system, he tells them. I still don't think it runs amok. I still think Odell is gonna have a snap count. He's gonna be in on third downs or passing downs. He's gonna have a package, and he's gonna help a team win games this season.

• 51:27Ryan Clark?

  I agree. You know what's crazy, man? Like even with the OBJ thing, the one thing we know about him is like, family's close. You know, you saw the pictures from his party. You always see his little man, his girl Lo, obviously, his mom Heather. Like, those people are close to him. And so, there's no telling if they were down there having a good time together or whatever it was, man. It's the holiday season. You know what I mean? And one thing about holidays, man, it's about family. Fred got back in town, you know. You went out of town. I was up there seeing Jordan. What was the kind of the highlight of your week?

• 52:01Channing Crowder?

  Um, just being with family, man. That's what it is. And I always say, you love them, you don't always like them.

• 52:07Ryan Clark?

  How many of, how many of, like, your people got together?

• 52:10Channing Crowder?

  Well, this year was my wife's family. So up in Orlando, we just, uh, my cousin just had a baby, so we went to see the baby, and everybody went to see the new baby, a distance to the family. But yeah, a lot of, a lot of good old-fashioned arguments. You know what I'm saying? Like, them movies that come out about the, the, the monster-in-laws and the father of the bride and all. That's real. So you get all these people together, you have, you love each other, y'all eat delicious food, you know, you enjoy each other, you catch up, you catch up on what the kids doing in life. Bro, y'all gonna argue, it's gonna be some arguments because it's just some grown people that I done known you forty years, you know me forty years. I remember when you were fifteen and you stole my girlfriend. So now when you take that big piece of turkey, I'mma cuss your ass out.

• 52:52Channing Crowder?

  It's just stuff like that really go, but my favorite part is the prayer before the meal when everybody standing around holding hands. From my two-year-old standing there, he don't know what's going on, to, uh, you know, older aunt who's in her eighties. And just all the different lives there, we're all praying together over this food, getting together for just the purpose of Thanksgiving. I really enjoyed it, I enjoyed the prayer before the meal.

• 53:16Fred Taylor?

  That's crazy, you back eating chitlins?

• 53:18Channing Crowder?

  I ain't eat no chitlins yet, but you know what, nobody lets me cook chitlins anymore. They tell me I gotta go outside, I ain't going outside.

• 53:25Ryan Clark?

  Hey bro, it's about the stankiest thing I've ever smelled.

• 53:28Channing Crowder?

  Y'all don't clean y'all chitlins right. I don't eat chitlins. I get it from the top and I, I, I push out all that.

• 53:34Fred Taylor?

  That shit is nasty.

• 53:35Channing Crowder?

  I push out all that doo doo.

• 53:41Fred Taylor?

  I wanna ask him, I wanna ask him to say it again so bad.

• 53:48Channing Crowder?

  You gotta hold that one side wrapping around your hand and.

• 53:52Fred Taylor?

  Slinky chitlin', nah, man, that shit's garbage, bro. That shit's terrible. Well, for me, guys, uh, I was, I was enjoying myself on a tuuk tuuk. That's a little like, almost like a golf cart.

• 54:05Channing Crowder?

  Oh, okay.

• 54:06Fred Taylor?

  There in Thailand, and it's hot as a month, it's very humid. Um, but no, I, um, spent the first three days of the week before Thanksgiving, uh, pretty much almost on the plane. Flying back from Thailand. Uh, but Thailand was beautiful, uh, Phuket and, uh, Pepe. Most people say Fifi, but it's Pepe and Phuket, not Phuket.

• 54:34Fred Taylor?

  The H is silent, bro. And the

• 54:36Ryan Clark?

  What is that?

• 54:37Fred Taylor?

  Those are islands and, and a city. Phuket is the city.

• 54:41Ryan Clark?

  When he just talk like that, I just let him talk. When he talk over my head and it's like too expensive for my taste, I just listen and look and blink like this because I know they gonna cut the camera to me.

• 54:50Fred Taylor?

  Too expensive, but this guy has, how many jobs does he have? Too expensive. Well, well, more so, we, we can probably say, um, you know, you just don't have the time to go.

• 55:01Ryan Clark?

  Let's go.

• 55:01Fred Taylor?

  So I appreciate you guys for allowing me a pass to go. You know, but no, the week was good. The week was good. Had a small gathering, just me, the misses and, and, and the boys. Just something light, couple, uh, some turkey, some, uh, jerk, orange hen, mac, cheese, the greens. You know, all the side.

• 55:20Ryan Clark?

  We went to Arizona, uh, because it was a territorials cup on Friday. So we had to go to Tucson to watch Jordan them lose by three. And I really hate fans. You know what I'm saying? Like people who really can't do nothing or never did nothing. And like, they like cussing at little kids and, and all that. Like, man, you can't play. Like, I'm looking at you, I know you can't play. Both your knees touch on the inside. You know what I'm saying? Like you got no, no glutes, right? No glutes. You got bellies, man boobs, like stop it. You know what I mean? So mostly I just sit there and try to not like, I don't want people to say anything to me. So I don't wear like team colors or anything. And then like a normal happens, like dude saw me walking out and he was like, oh, oh, sorry, Ryan Clark, uh, shut up. You know what I mean?

• 56:05Ryan Clark?

  So that, that was my Friday. I think like one day we'll realize like that, like a lot of growth happened in the time we've been doing this. And we've been doing it a year. And I think our lives, like my life has changed a ton. Channing's life, friends, like, like all of us have gone through those things. And it's been kind of cool because you have like a little circle of people to talk about things overseas or salads and stuff. Um, this is the first Thanksgiving I spent without my oldest.

• 56:35Ryan Clark?

  She moved away, you know, like after she graduated and like she's in school and, you know, like things happen, man. And like your children go through things and they feel certain things. And so it was me, you know, Young, uh, Jordan, uh, Logan. And, uh, and it was good. You know what I'm saying? It was like, and we had like a lot of food and everything, but.

• 56:57Ryan Clark?

  When you don't talk to your child or stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's incomplete, you know? And I'm very, very grateful, like, for what I have. You know what I'm saying? And, like, everybody was, was really happy, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was cool, you know? And we prayed, and, uh, you know, I prayed. And, like, every time I pray, I pray for all my babies, right? I pray for Yonk, and I pray for, like, families. I pray for people that are less fortunate, you know? But normally, like, when I pray for my kids, like, they're holding, whether it's my hand, or like their brother's hand, or like their sister's hands, or whatever. You know? And so for me, like, I just miss her, you know?

• 57:37Ryan Clark?

  And, you know, hopefully, man, like, this junk goes by, you know what I'm saying? And everything is like it used to be, you know? But I think, like, so many times, like, because I do do a lot of jobs, you know what I'm saying? And, like, we don't get to, like, feel, you know? Like, I just, I gotta get up and do my job. Or, you know, I gotta, you know what I'm saying? Like, I gotta host this show with y'all, or I gotta get on, get up, and work. Or, like, I gotta be there to support Jordan, because it doesn't matter necessarily, like, what's going on with her or us, because, like, I still got them, you know?

• 58:22Ryan Clark?

  And I gotta take care of them. But I miss her, man. And so hopefully, you know, like, next year, when we're talking about Thanksgiving, I could be like, you know, Jaden was back, and that, you know? Like, the whole family was together, man, and it was all of us. Because I think, like, in the end, man, like, if I'm not good at that...

• 58:47Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying, like if I wasn't, if I'm not good at like being her dad, you know?

• 58:53Channing Crowder?

  No, but you said it with growth.

• 58:56Channing Crowder?

  Your kids have to grow too. Everybody grows in their own way. Everybody gets out in their own way. So whatever they need to grow, if it's what you think they need, or if it's what they think they need, y'all both could be wrong. But if that's the direction they're going, you just have to be there. But everybody grows in different ways, honestly, you know?

• 59:14Fred Taylor?

  That's very true. Man, I always give you, um, I praise and admiration because I see it, I don't just say it because we doing this. I mean, I'm always in awe, you know, and like I text you the notification when they pop up on the phone. Anything that comes across with Clark, I say I feel like a proud big brother. Because I get to see it behind the scenes and I know he kill it, you know, when he's on the big screen.

• 59:37Ryan Clark?

  As long as I'm breathing air, like that's my baby. You know, and I've said it a million times, man, I do not think parenting is a reciprocal relationship. I do not think that my kids gotta love me because I love them. I do not think that my kids are gonna respect me all the time because I take care of them. I do not think that my kids are gonna see me the same way that I see them. Because my kids don't have to take care of me. I am not their responsibility, ever. You ain't gotta buy me nothing, you ain't gotta, you ain't gotta do nothing for me. You don't have to reward me for loving you because you ain't asked to be here. And so in that, man, like, I feel nothing but love for my child.

• 1:00:18Ryan Clark?

  As parents, we don't try to mess up. It's just no hand, it's like a lot of handbook to it, right? It's no playbook to make those decisions. Like you just do the best that you can. And in the end, it's like on them to like internalize it the way.

• 1:00:33Channing Crowder?

  They deal with it.

• 1:00:33Ryan Clark?

  That they deal with it.

• 1:00:35Channing Crowder?

  And I didn't, I've told the story, you know, before, I didn't talk to my dad for over three years, four years. Now we're tight. Just went to his birthday, you know what I'm saying? And that was me. I was at UF. My dad came to UF.

• 1:00:53Channing Crowder?

  Found a ballplayer, found where I was living, came and beat on my door. I was inside my house, wouldn't open the door for my dad, drove from Tampa to Gainesville. Wouldn't open the door for my dad, didn't have time for him, didn't want to talk to him. I look back at that now, I was a kid, I was childish. You know, I was dealing with my anger of him and my mom not being together, him not being around, him not coming to my high school game, I was dealing with that. Now I get to college, now I'm a grown man and I'm tough and uh. That was my mistake, bro. So that's what I'm saying, like, everybody deals with things their way, there's not right or wrong. And I look back now, now when I'm sitting with Randy on the back porch, hanging out, laughing, going fishing, like, we've talked about it, like, I've said, I told him sorry, like, I shouldn't have dealt with that that way.

• 1:01:35Channing Crowder?

  He told me sorry, I should have fought more for you when the divorce happened. Like, it was just, but it. I don't want you to, I don't want you to put too much on it and just, it happens a lot more with grown kids and I've seen a lot more, I've talked to people about it, but the, the, the, the growth process of different people, growth process of life, of having, you call them babies. Jase, twenty-three, bro, that's not a baby, that's a grown ass woman. That make grown ass woman decisions. So, that's the thing, but just hearing it, it just makes me think about me and my father, how I had that window and I do regret that window.

• 1:02:12Fred Taylor?

  I think the beautiful thing is, we, we both, we, we recognize it, it's life. You know, they want to go through their journey, you know, accordingly, as they see it. But I can, I can guarantee you one thing, and you probably know it, well, I know you know it. She knows you got her back. No matter what, she knows you're gonna be there, that's why she ain't worrying about nothing. You know, she's gonna go out and live life as she sees fit and enjoy her life. She, you be proud that she's a woman and she's wanted to push forward. I know you know you got her back and she knows the same, so. Yeah, we, we, we just soft daddy sometime for our daughters, man. And it's better to be that way and teach them how to go out there and be women and be strong and want to live life on their own as an independent

• 1:02:56Fred Taylor?

  than to raise somebody that's on some bullshit, want to be dependent of a man, you know, out there weak or what have you, so I mean, um, just keep pushing her, you know, and keep being strong, man, you good.

• 1:03:09Channing Crowder?

  So here's my question, it's time for us to make Super Bowl picks.

• 1:03:13Fred Taylor?

  We ain't even made MVP picks.

• 1:03:14Ryan Clark?

  No, I won't make MVP picks. Right, I let the season play out.

• 1:03:18Fred Taylor?

  Not mid-season MVP?

• 1:03:19Ryan Clark?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:03:21Fred Taylor?

  Hurts. Go ahead. Run a car.

• 1:03:25Ryan Clark?

  Oh, all right, listen, so if you want to do it, excuse me, guys, we have, we have decided, we have now, no, we have now decided, no. It's like week 11, Freddie T, and you want to, like, we already passed the midway point. Is it like the three-quarter point?

• 1:03:39Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, that.

• 1:03:40Ryan Clark?

  Two-point, okay.

• 1:03:41Fred Taylor?

  You know my math is suspect.

• 1:03:42Ryan Clark?

  Two, two-point, your math is very suspect.

• 1:03:44Fred Taylor?

  You know my math.

• 1:03:45Ryan Clark?

  The 2.5, the 0.25 year awards go to, who is your MVP? I want to go MVP, I want to go offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year.

• 1:03:58Fred Taylor?

  I think, um, Jalen Hurts for what, what he's done on the field, uh, over 2,500 yards passing, oh, passing over 600 yards rushing. Uh, and what he's done with his team in Philly, that would be my candidate for MVP. Uh, with the breakout game that, uh, Josh Jacobs just had, just recently had. He would be my offensive player of the year. He's leading the league in, in rushing. Obviously, the team isn't, hasn't lived up to expectations this year, but as a, as a breakout guy, I mean, he's been looking amazing. And on the defense, obviously, I go to, go with Micah, young bull. I like Micah.

• 1:04:38Channing Crowder?

  Oh, MVP, man, I gotta, I gotta go with Patrick still. I love, I love Hurts' game. I love what he's doing. I love, he don't slide. He running that ball, he's, he's, he is running the football. He's not sliding and taking them.

• 1:04:53Ryan Clark?

  Like my daddy, he said, he a athlete.

• 1:04:54Channing Crowder?

  Athlete with F. He's an athlete.

• 1:04:58Ryan Clark?

  He's an athlete.

• 1:04:58Channing Crowder?

  That boy's playing, but what he's doing, but honestly, you take Patrick Mahomes, Philly's defense is good, Philly got a run game. You take Patrick Mahomes off the Chiefs. They are not the Chiefs. That defense has to play with the league. You know what I'm saying? So Patrick Mahomes is the best player in the world right now. I give him that. Offense, I gotta go my man, Reece, man.

• 1:05:16Fred Taylor?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If you take Jalen Hurts away from Philly, he's run a few quarterbacks out of Philly. And he's gotten better.

• 1:05:24Channing Crowder?

  They can still win games. They won't be, what are they now? Nine and one?

• 1:05:27Fred Taylor?

  Ten and one.

• 1:05:27Channing Crowder?

  Ten and one after the other night. They, they won't be ten and one without him. But with that run game, with the best offensive line in football period right now, and that defense, they would win games. You take Patrick Mahomes off that Chiefs team and they're, we're not even talking about Super Bowl or anything. We might not be talking about playoffs. So I gotta give it to Pat. Offense, I'm giving to Tyreek Hill. What he's doing. Two is, the two is the talk. We were just talking about the MVP race.

• 1:05:53Ryan Clark?

  You got, you got Tyreek over Jettas, over Justin Jefferson?

• 1:05:56Channing Crowder?

  I got Ty, Justin has had some big games. He has some balling games. Doesn't Reece got him on numbers, though? I think he got him on yards, Justin got him on touchdowns.

• 1:06:04Ryan Clark?

  It's close, both ways.

• 1:06:06Channing Crowder?

  But they are different receivers because Reece can take a five yard pass sixty. Justin works the top of the field, just like Jamar Chase. There's some, there's some boys out there playing ball. I gotta give my man Reece, just what he does, how explosive he is and how his, his addition to the Dolphins offense turned that entire organization around.

• 1:06:24Ryan Clark?

  I agree with that.

• 1:06:25Channing Crowder?

  That's what's crazy with Reece. I gotta give it to Cheetah. And defensively, that damn boy from New England.

• 1:06:32Ryan Clark?

  Matthew Judon.

• 1:06:33Channing Crowder?

  Judon is a beast. He is a force to be reckoned with. Without him, I don't know what, that, that defense will still be good. But I gotta give it to Matthew Judon. I love watching that man come off that edge.

• 1:06:45Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna start with my offensive player of the year would be Patrick Mahomes. I think Patrick Mahomes is, to be leading in yards, to be leading in touchdowns after losing Tyreek Hill. I tell everybody all the time, the difference between him and Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers lost his number one target. Patrick Mahomes didn't. Patrick Mahomes lost his most explosive target. Travis Kelsey was where Patrick Mahomes felt, for lack of a better word, most at home. Most at home, most comfortable. He'd always get the ball to him. So I got Patrick as my offensive player of the year. I agree with you, defensive player of the year. I think Matthew Judon, red sleeves, what he's done has been totally underrated. Going into last weekend, I think he was leading the league in sacks. I believe Micah has caught him now, man.

• 1:07:30Ryan Clark?

  But what he's been able to do, the amount of pressures he's been able to create. And he's, he's made defense easy for the Patriots on the back end where they aren't great. And my MVP is Michael Parsons. You mentioned Tyreek changing the organization. So did Michael Parsons. And I think we saw the Dallas Cowboys like differently because the Cowboys were America's team. The Dallas Cowboys were historically horrible on defense the year before they drafted him. And the other thing is this, he failed to them. They wanted a corner. They were thinking J.C. Horn, Patrick Surtan II, which would be amazing picks.

• 1:08:16Ryan Clark?

  Michael Parsons failed to them. And he's so good at what he does. He actually plays a position he wasn't even drafted to play because once he had to play it, he was better than everybody else that was playing it. And I think when we look at players and their impact, their dominance in the position, and being transcendent. Transcendence is something we all respect. That's why Patrick Mahomes wanted in his second year, because snap, this is different. And I think Michael Parsons possesses that. So to me, I think he's the MVP right now. And I mean, with that, fellas, once again, we were back. It was a good time. We appreciate you guys locking in and staying in.

• 1:09:00Ryan Clark?

  We try to bounce around and hit some things that truly only matter on the grass, but also matter as it pertains to the field and all. Remember, continue to tell a friend to tell a friend about our show. Subscribe, like, comment. Freddie T has been really busy, so he was not able to read all of the comments. He is back and he will get back on his job and report to us exactly what happens, man. We check up with y'all on Tuesday.

• 1:09:26Channing Crowder?

  That shooting show down south. God, bring it.

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