Stop Worrying and Start Living! Strategies to Move Past Worry & Self-Sabotage, and Reclaim Your Freedom & Happiness with Victoria Jackson (RR)

Do you feel like worry and anxiety cost you your happiness and freedom? Do you wish that you could stop or slow that spiral of negative thoughts and rise above rumination? We all worry, now what? Victoria Jackson, is here to give you powerful answers! Including stories, lessons, and a roadmap to awakening, courage and connection in your life! Today, it’s time to start rising above WORRY for good! Victoria Jackson is a legend, icon and trailblazer in the beauty world and one of the greatest American Success stories of our times. She’s also a medical pioneer who’s been honored by the Pope for her visionary approach and impact for NMO and autoimmune-related diseases. In 2017, Victoria was inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame. She has and continues to do incredible things in her life, yet like so many of us, she also has more than enough reasons for worry, anxiety and crippling fear to show up daily…from surviving sexual assault to getting a phone call no parent ever wants to receive. Victoria has spent her life on a true “warrior walk” of learning to slow anxiety’s spiral and not let WORRY steal her freedom. She’s written five amazing books, including her latest “We All Worry, Now What?” She’s also my dear friend and will surely be yours too! Get Victoria’s latest book at https://officialvictoriajackson.com/ ____ Are You Ready to believe in YOU?🙌⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠jamiekernlima.com ⁠⁠⁠⁠👈 Sign up for my FREE Inspirational Newsletter and get ready for your self-worth to soar!🩷 Also, please make sure to take 2 seconds and click the “Follow” button right here on this page to follow me and the podcast, I’m so grateful and thank you SO much! ____ And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ jamiekernlima.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WORTHY⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Believe IT⁠⁠⁠⁠

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• 0:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you feel like worry and anxiety cost you your happiness and freedom? Do you wish that you could stop or slow that spiral of negative thoughts and rise above rumination? We all worry, now what? In today's episode, my amazing friend Victoria Jackson is here to give you powerful answers, including stories, lessons, and a roadmap to awakening, courage, and connection in your life. This is an episode you're going to want to share with everyone you know today. Do you ever feel like worry and anxiety cost you your happiness and freedom?

• 0:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you wish that you could stop or slow that spiral of negative thoughts and rise above rumination? We all worry, now what? My guest today is here to give you powerful answers, including stories, lessons, and a roadmap to awakening, courage, and connection in your life. Today, it's time to start rising above worry for good. Victoria Jackson is a legend, an icon, a trailblazer in the beauty world. She's also a medical pioneer who's been honored by the Pope. In 2017, Victoria was inducted by Gloria Steinem into the National Women's Hall of Fame.

• 1:22Jamie Kern Lima?

  Victoria Jackson, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Worry, I always say, is the seed that gets watered, that turns into the stress, the anxiety, the panic. I mean, I've had a life, you know, well-lived. And through all of the different milestones, turning points, you know, just moments in my life, anxiety, stress, panic has always sort of sat right on my shoulder.

• 1:52Jamie Kern Lima?

  It is, you know, something that almost every one of us deals with. And so I think you so courageously talking about it is so powerful.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  People go, gosh, with all that you've done, you still deal with, you know, stress and panic disorder. And I go, yeah, I do. I would picture sitting, you know, across from Oprah and I would be telling her my story. And then one day I get the call to go to Chicago where at the time I wasn't flying. And I was like, I can't go. I can't get there. I'm too afraid.

• 2:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  There's so much that people know you for, and this other part of you has coexisted. And I think there's so many people that are listening and watching this that maybe feel alone in worrying or in anxiety. How do you navigate worry and panic and anxiety? And also not let it rob you of your freedom and not let it rob you of your joy and not let it rob you of like the life that you want to lead.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  If it's not happening now, it's not happening.

• 2:59Jamie Kern Lima?

  That's really good.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:01Jamie Kern Lima?

  That's really powerful.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  I spent many years just really not forgiving myself for not being able to do something. So we have to look at and give ourselves some grace sometimes that even with all these books that we read and these tips and the things we listen to, sometimes you're just gonna fall short of the mark for yourself and for some reason, you're not gonna do it.

• 3:21Jamie Kern Lima?

  There's people listening right now too that think like, oh, I've blown it. My time, my ship has sailed. I missed that opportunity. It's like, oh, no, no. Your whole life is ahead of you.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 3:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  And you just have to give yourself some space and some grace to navigate it, but not give up.

• 3:39Jamie Kern Lima?

  How have you navigated all of that while also then deciding, I'm gonna, you know, become a makeup artist and I'm gonna start building this career? You became one of the most successful women of all time. Pioneer in television, sold a billion dollars in products on television. You've done so much while also having this piece of you. Victoria Jackson, you are such

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Well, thank you.

• 4:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  A badass. I just think is so powerful about when you got that call, which a call no parent ever wants to get. You say, "In place of a diploma, I had what mattered most, a mother's unstoppable determination."

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Through the success of my company and my husband's, we spent $80 million of our own money. We don't have any deals, kickbacks with pharmaceutical companies, nothing. We've spent $80 million that's just out there in the universe to help catalyze what has been now four therapies that are out in the market that serve the world worldwide.

• 4:45Jamie Kern Lima?

  When you do something, you do something.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 4:49Jamie Kern Lima?

  You had a life-altering incident happen.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  I did, and it was life-altering. But I knew during that out-of-body kind of time for me that I was here for a reason, that my life was here for a reason, that this was not going to be how I died.

• 5:12Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 5:56Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 6:53Speaker 02

  Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

• 6:57Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 7:00Speaker 03

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• 7:04Speaker 04

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• 7:11Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 7:14Speaker 05

  When I look into Jamie's eyes, I feel like I am on some other cosmic level with her.

• 7:20Jamie Kern Lima?

  I could see the light around her. She's infused with light. Imagine overcoming self doubt, learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

• 7:35Speaker 04

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• 7:39Speaker 02

  Jamie Kern Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring.

• 7:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  Jamie Kern Lima. This episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show contains discussions of sensitive topics, including sexual assault. Our aim is to approach this topic with sensitivity and respect, but viewer listener discretion is advised. Do you ever feel like worry and anxiety cost you your happiness and freedom? Do you wish that you could stop or slow that spiral of negative thoughts and rise above rumination? We all worry, now what? My guest today is here to give you powerful answers, including stories.

• 8:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  Lessons and a roadmap to awakening, courage, and connection in your life. Today, it's time to start rising above worry for good. Victoria Jackson is a legend, an icon, a trailblazer in the beauty world, where her trademark "no makeup makeup" revolutionized the beauty industry and catapulted her to one of the greatest American success stories of our time. She's also a medical pioneer who's been honored by the Pope for her visionary approach and impact in advancing and understanding and funding for NMO and autoimmune-related diseases.

• 9:07Jamie Kern Lima?

  In 2017, Victoria was inducted by Gloria Steinem into the National Women's Hall of Fame. She has and continues to do incredible things in her life, yet, like so many of us, she also has more than enough reasons for worry, anxiety, and crippling fear to show up daily. From surviving sexual assault to getting a phone call no parent ever wants to receive, Victoria has spent her life on a true warrior walk of learning to slow anxieties spiral and not let worry steal her freedom. She's written four amazing books. Her brand-new book is out officially now, and it's called "We All Worry, Now What?"

• 9:51Jamie Kern Lima?

  She's also my dear friend, Victoria Jackson. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Thank you. God, that was beautiful. Thank you so much. Thank you. I really, really appreciate it. I guess I've been kind of busy.

• 10:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  Like you.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. I'm really grateful to be here and, you know, just filled with a life of gratitude. A lot been going on, and it's wonderful to be able to, just to be able to talk about it and share with you. So, thank you.

• 10:21Jamie Kern Lima?

  Well, congratulations on your new book and so many other things, by the way. I was saying that we have the longest intro maybe that I've ever written, and I could have written it longer. Godmother's Bookshop opening, so many things that you are doing out in the world. Um, you know, with we all worry now what the title of your brand new book?

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:42Jamie Kern Lima?

  Um, that is so beautiful and just connects, it's going to connect to so many people and help so many people. Um, and I'm just really excited about it, uh, because so many of us, we lose so much of our life to worry, to anxiety, to rumination of thoughts. And I'm excited to dive into, to some of the, um, the lessons and stories in the book. Uh, but first just wanted to ask you, you know, in your own journey, in your own journey, um, what has led you to writing such a powerful book?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  You know, it's, as I say, I mean, I've had a life, you know, well-lived and through all of the different milestones, turning points, you know, just moments in my life, anxiety, stress, panic has always sort of sat right on my shoulder. And so I've always navigated, even people go, gosh, with all that you've done, you still deal with, you know, stress and panic disorder. And I go, yeah, I do. And so this book was really, everything for me is about if I've done all this, you can too, you, whatever it is that you want to do, and here's how. So it was important to me, especially in a time where we live

• 11:59Speaker 01

  in a world that's just so riddled with, you know, instability, like stress, um, worry. And worry, I always say is the seed that gets watered, that turns into the stress, the anxiety, the panic. And I just thought, you know, this is how I've had a lot of things that have gone on in my life that have really created a lot of worry. Um, I have my black belt in worry, but I also have my black belt in being a warrior. And I wanted to just share some of the tips that have helped me get through and knowing that it's not like, oh, I figured it all out. Here's, here's all the answers. No, I gotta work my program

• 12:40Speaker 01

  all the time as I'm still living my life and dealing with the challenges as we all have them.

• 12:47Jamie Kern Lima?

  Has this been part of your life since childhood? Or when did you really start to be aware of worry? And you've been through a lot.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  I've been through a lot. I always say, I was born premature. So I was born three months early. And I always say, I think it was to get a little head start on worry. Because I, you know, lived in the hospital for three months before I could even come home. And when I did finally come home, I had a mom that was a little bit overwhelmed and sort of said, but I never really got to bond with you. And, you know, I had a lot of medical issues. So I, I think worry seemed to start kind of really early on. And I was always trying to, whether I was get approval or deal with whatever medical, you know, malady I was dealing with at the time. It was a challenge. It was a challenge. So I think it's been something that I was aware of,

• 13:39Speaker 01

  that anxiety and my view of the world was probably going to be a little bit more challenging.

• 13:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  Mm hmm. What were some of the things that sort of happened along your journey? That maybe, you mentioned your mom and not bonding. What were some of the things? Because I think a lot of people are in the infancy of their own journey of realizing, oh, wow, here's, here's what worry or anxiety looks like in my life. And maybe here's where it stemmed from. And then just kind of starting on that, that journey of wanting to sort of change their relationship if they can, with worry and anxiety and panic and all that. I think that one of the most beautiful parts of this moment in time is thankfully, people are talking about it and they're sharing it.

• 14:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  And they're not hiding as much and thinking that they're alone in it. It is, you know, something that almost every one of us deals with. And so I think you so courageously talking about it is so powerful. But has it been something that has built and gotten like to a point in your life where then you're like, oh, I have to do something about this?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Well, I think people are talking about it now more so because they're feeling it. You know, people have been feeling worry for so long. And, you know, it's just like with mental illness, mental health, you know, like people are now talking about things more that maybe they were silently struggling with. And for me, I've always been talking about it. You know, it's hard to, when you're living it, you don't really know, especially with anxiety, it's can be free floating, you know, people could go as they always would go, well, what are you afraid of? Or everything's going great right now, or why are you stressed out? And we can't always put, you know, a face to it, a name to it, a rationale to it. It's just something that, you know, we walk with.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  And I think for me, it was early on that mine manifested in feeling like somebody was always gonna get me. That sort of unsettling feeling, never feeling quite peaceful, you know, restful. There was always just something that was under the surface, that was a little bit more in turmoil. And I think it more manifested for me in personal safety, not feeling safe or that something was coming down the road for me. And that was a big part of worry for me. And a lot of that was being in a, you know, a family dynamic where the mom and dad were young. They probably were two people not meant to be with each other.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  And as a kid, you're picking up all that energy. So that instability feeds into that worry, which then feeds into that stress, anxiety, and a lot of panic disorder.

• 16:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  How, how old were you when it started?

• 16:34Speaker 01

  You know, I just remember being by, like, I was five, six years old. Um, and I remember my mom at the time going, if you don't calm down, um, they're gonna come in, you know. She, and I feel bad because I don't wanna just, my mom is a great woman. And I think she was just really at wits' end at time, but it was more her way of saying, it's like, if you don't calm down, they're gonna put you in the hospital. And you're like, oh, my gosh, they're gonna put me in the hospital? No, no, no, no, I've gotta calm down. And you sort of take all that inward. And so you're not really sure how to navigate it and, and what to do with that. So I, I think that was a lot of it is so much of it becomes this internal struggle that you don't really know where to turn to, especially when you're young. So it can manifest in acting out.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Not staying in school, which for me, you know, I didn't stay in school. I was always finding my way out of like, I know in those early parent conferences, it was like, she doesn't stay in the reading circle, she wanders away, you know, I was so, it's just that always little bit of that, that stress, trying to figure it out for yourself.

• 17:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  Hmm. And then you had, you need to talk about personal safety, you had a life altering incident happen.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  I did, and it was life altering. And you know, it's, I don't know whether it's a premonition or a sense of that foreboding of uh being at home in um in our apartment, and it wasn't a house, it was our apartment. And coming home one night and going in my room and, you know, it's that really classic like horror scene where you're in your bedroom late at night and you're, you know, watching TV and you look up in the mirror and there's somebody standing behind you. And you're like, what? Um, you know, with a ski mask and a look like an item with a dish rag hanging over it. And I thought it was my brother, because my family did know that I was so

• 18:31Speaker 01

  vulnerable and always afraid of somebody to come get me. That I thought, oh, it was my brother playing a joke. And I turn around like, Mark. And he's like, don't move. And when you hear a voice that you know is clearly not your brother and one that's saying, don't move, you sort of know, wow, this is it. And because at that point, I thought, well, I'm the last victim. My bedroom was off the back of the house. And so I figured everybody else was gone and, and I was it. And um that was, that was a very, you know, you sort of go, wow, I'm seventeen. I'm in my last year of high school. Is this really it? Like, you know, am I going out like this?

• 19:16Speaker 01

  And I don't really want to go into all the details of all the bad things that happened to me and my body, but clearly enough to know that I learned about going out of body when something really bad is happening to you, that sense of disassociating. And being also the fact that I kept thinking about was what's happened to my family? Are they all gone? And so there were so many things that were happening. And he was known as the pillowcase rapist. It was notorious in California. And at the time, when I was kept in this really small space, hence I still am claustrophobic, but I was kept in this small space. And when I saw him reach over to grab a pillowcase, I thought, well, maybe he's going

• 20:01Speaker 01

  to be, you know, putting jewelry and things, not that I had anything, but whatever I have in this pillowcase. But when I realized very quickly that he was about to put it over my head and started, I said to myself, I am going to count to three. And you know that feeling you have, like, you're so scared, is something gonna actually come out? And I counted to three, and I knew I was just gonna scream at the top of my lungs. And I did. He throws off his ski mask. I can't really identify him, drops it on the floor. My bedroom door would get stuck. He was pulling it to try to get out. I'm completely in shock.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  And I just ran as fast as I could up the stairs, you know, I was bleeding, to see, you know, if my parents were still there and what was happening in my house, you know? I thought I was gonna see a very ugly scene in the house. So that was life-changing, absolutely. But I knew during that out-of-body kind of time for me, that I was here for a reason, that my life was here for a reason, that this was not going to be how I died.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  But it was life-changing. I knew.

• 21:17Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah. Thank you for sharing that.

• 21:25Jamie Kern Lima?

  People who know of you, know of you as for so many things, but on the outside, we don't always know what someone's going through on the inside, right? Which I think it's so powerful that you wrote a book being so candid and vulnerable that shares real lessons on how do you navigate worry and panic and anxiety? And also not let it rob you of your freedom and not let it rob you of your joy and not let it rob you of like the life that you want to lead and the impact you want to have. And people that know you know, many know you of course for being a pioneer, an icon. Oh my goodness, 40 years ago, no makeup makeup.

• 22:07Jamie Kern Lima?

  I remember as someone who started a beauty company and has been in that industry, I, let me just, first of all, let me just brag on my friend for a minute. I remember, I can't even count the number of times where I've seen so many brands and be inspired by what you've created, or even tried to do what you've created. All the things, you've been such a pioneer in building women's confidence and helping people feel good about themselves, you know, trademarking no makeup makeup before anyone else used it. There's a lot of other people, millions of people that know you for your medical, you're a pioneer in the medical space and the research that you've done

• 22:50Jamie Kern Lima?

  and the funding and the drugs that have been approved and which I'll talk, I'll ask you about that in a minute. Women's Hall of Fame, there's so much that people know you for and this other part of you has coexisted. And I want to call that out because I think there's so many people that are listening and watching this that maybe feel alone in worrying or in anxiety. And so Can you sort of take us through, you know, having gone through so much? And how, how have you navigated all of that while also then deciding,

• 23:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  I'm going to, you know, become a makeup artist and I'm going to start building this career? You became one of the most successful women of all time, pioneer in television, sold a billion dollars in product on television for Victoria Jackson Cosmetics. You've done so much while also having this piece of you. And so can you kind of share with us how?

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Well, I know it sounds crazy to think, how does that like coexist? How do you have that level of stress and anxiety and still manage to go out and do it? And it's really about, you know, taking leaps of faith, doing it, you know, even when you're uncomfortable. The running theme that I've had in my life has always been about, oh, if I can do this, you can do it and here's how. So even in my early career as a makeup artist, you know, the first book, this is my fifth book. The first book I wrote was called Redefining Beauty. It was really the how to of, you know, of makeup. And the second one was the why. So everything for me has been really the, the teaching experience

• 24:41Speaker 01

  that even though like I couldn't do makeup in the beginning. I was horrible makeup artist, but I practiced till I could get better. And then, you know, and then I realized, why does it matter? So Make Up Your Life was really, why does, why does makeup matter? What's the, the whole reasoning that I came up with? The power of mascara and going to the jails for 20 years and seeing how it really changed people's feelings and thinking about themselves. Even though while I'm in the jails, for example, as I've told you, I'm very claustrophobic. I'm going into the jails going, can we leave the door open? They're like, leave the door open, like the cell door, Victoria. Like, you know, I'm still going there, facing my fears of going into the prisons for 20 years,

• 25:26Speaker 01

  but knowing that I was doing something that was making a difference for so many women. So they've always coexisted for me. So it's just, I have to, I just push through. And that's so much about, in this book is about that. It's taking the next step, you know, it's facing that.

• 25:44Jamie Kern Lima?

  And is part of it making the why behind it bigger than yourself to push through the fear?

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's, you know, I mean, that's easy to say.

• 25:53Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  And, you know, sometimes you're gonna feel that. And sometimes it's just like, I, it doesn't matter that the why might be bigger. I'm just stuck.

• 26:02Jamie Kern Lima?

  Mm hmm.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  So I'm just trying to get you to think about, you know, in one of my books, I wrote, perseverance is where the gods dwell. It's like persevering, like constantly pushing yourself, taking whatever small steps, you know, putting yourself in the room. My kids always love when I go, well, if you're not in the room, you're not in the room. And they're like, but is that even mean, mom? Like, you're not, it's like you have to, you have to show up.

• 26:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  I've always put myself in the room. And then there were times where I had opportunities and I couldn't get in the room. I have stories about, you know, I know you did a wonderful job, an incredible job interviewing Oprah, and she was here. And there were times where I had an opportunity to be on Oprah's show and I couldn't get in the room. You know, my anxiety was too high and I couldn't get in the room.

• 26:50Jamie Kern Lima?

  Will you share that story? Because I know that that was sort of like this dream of yours.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:55Jamie Kern Lima?

  And then it actually happened. So you and I both have this in common.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:58Jamie Kern Lima?

  We've sabotaged it for different reasons. But can you share this? Because I just, there's people listening right now too, that think like, oh, I've blown it. My time, my ship has sailed. I missed that opportunity. But it's like, oh, no, no, your whole life is ahead of you.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 27:13Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  And I mean, I just remember when everyone was telling me, you know, especially in the world of building a cosmetic company, oh, you're not going to be able to compete with the big, major companies. And I was like, oh, no, no, I'm gonna be able to do it. And someday, I'm gonna, actually, I would picture sitting, you know, across from Oprah, and I would be telling her my story.

• 27:32Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  So I was visualizing that in my head. I'm gonna be telling Oprah and she's gonna be interviewing me and I'm gonna be successful. So I always was working to manifest it. And then one day I get the call to go to Chicago, where at the time I wasn't flying. And I was gonna go there and be the lead, like woman who'd made it against the odds, my infomercial. And I was like, I can't go. I can't get there. I'm too afraid. You were afraid of flying. I was afraid of flying. I was just stuck and I made up some horrible lie that there was like a sickness or something. It was just bad. And I just beat myself up for so long, for so, like years, like, well, that could have been

• 28:17Speaker 01

  a turning point and you blew that and, you know, okay, I didn't get there. And how great later in life, I meet Oprah under different circumstances and have a really nice friendship and a conversation and a lunch and you just never know how it's all gonna work out, you know, you never know. And I spent many years just really not forgiving myself for not being able to do something. So we have to look at and give ourselves some grace sometimes that even with all these books that we read and these tips and the things we listen to, sometimes you're just gonna fall short of the mark for yourself and for some reason, you're not gonna do it, but you know what, it's all gonna come back around and somehow maybe that wasn't

• 29:00Speaker 01

  meant to be, but something else was. You just, the one thing I know, having gone now, as I say, from mascara to medicine and back, you just don't know what life's gonna bring up and you just have to give yourself some space and some grace to navigate it, but not give up. Keep putting yourself in that room. And keep going for it.

• 29:22Jamie Kern Lima?

  There's so much more coming up in this episode. You are not gonna wanna miss it, but first, I wanted to share this with you. In life, you don't soar to the level of your hopes and dreams. You stay stuck at the level of your self-worth. When you build your self-worth, you change your entire life. And that's exactly why I wrote my new book, Worthy: How to Believe You Are Enough and Transform Your Life for You. If you have some self-doubt to destroy and a destiny to fulfill, Worthy is for you. In Worthy, you'll learn proven tools and simple steps that

• 30:02Jamie Kern Lima?

  bring life-changing results, like how to get unstuck from the things holding you back, build unshakable self-love, unlearn the lies that lead to self-doubt, and embrace the truths that wake up worthiness. Overcome limiting beliefs and imposter syndrome? Achieve your hopes and dreams by believing you are worthy of them and so much more. Are you ready to unleash your greatness and step into the person you were born to be? Imagine a life with zero self doubt and unshakable self-worth.

• 30:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  Get your copy of Worthy, plus some amazing thank you bonus gifts for you at worthybook.com or the link in the show notes below. Imagine what you'd do if you fully believed in you. It's time to find out with Worthy. Imagine, what would you do if you fully believed in you? My weekly free inspirational newsletter is packed with tips and tools to help you find out. It's called One on One with Jamie and it's delivered right to your inbox each Tuesday morning. It's a love letter from me to you, from my soul to yours.

• 31:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  And I hope it brings you the words and messages you need at just the right moment. Plus, when you're a part of my free inspirational newsletter community, you'll be the first to get behind the scenes content, inspirational messages, and be the first to learn about upcoming events and more. It's the place to be and I sure hope you'll join me there. So if you're not on the list yet, you can sign up for free at jamiekernlima.com or click the link in the show notes below. And here's to becoming unstoppable together. And now more of this conversation. With your journey, you know, you got a call.

• 32:07Jamie Kern Lima?

  We talk about so many of us have reasons in our life every day to worry, right? For some of us, it's, we don't meet our own expectations. For others, it's health challenges, challenges in finance, to get a career challenge, relationship challenges, friendship challenges. So many of us, if we're human, we have reasons to worry every day. And, and.

• 32:33Jamie Kern Lima?

  You know, for you in this journey, just to kind of put it to zoom out for a minute for everyone listening, do you, especially because of how much you continue to serve and impact and create and offer in the world, do you also feel like the journey of your relationship with worry and anxiety and navigating it and managing it and all that, do you feel like it's a lifelong journey?

• 33:06Speaker 01

  I feel like it'll always be a lifelong journey, but it's kind of now has different perspective. So, for example, you know, being in the world of when my daughter was diagnosed, you know, I have three children and, you know, all of a sudden, one day, you know, she has an eyeball headache and then the next thing I know, after going to see some doctors, thinking it's going to be something that's simple, I find out that she has a rare condition. They basically tell me that she has NMO, neuromyelitis optica, that is sometimes misdiagnosed and confused a lot with MS, and that she has four years to live. And I'm like, what? Okay, well, life just changed.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Closing the book on mascara and makeup and opening the book on medicine. I did not graduate high school due to my pillowcase rapist situation. I didn't go to college. I've been making lip gloss and makeup, so now I'm going to cure an autoimmune disease. Okay. So I was like, yeah, but I'm going to. And I am going to learn everything there is about it. And I think that set the stage for me of putting worry on a whole different level. So when you've had that kind of worry, where you're dealing with life and death, and you're working to find a cure at what I call the speed of life, I'm not as worried in the same way about other things now. So I have a different perspective.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  I still have worry, but I'm not worrying to the same degree because I'm like, oh, nobody's dying here, nobody's going blind. Yeah, I got this. This is good. So I have a different kind of life view of it because I've had a very different life experience.

• 34:51Jamie Kern Lima?

  You know, there's a famous saying, success leaves clues. And I just want to call this out. Ally was 14 when you got that call. I want to read a quote from you that I just think is so powerful about when you got that call, which a call no parent ever wants to get. You say, "In place of a diploma, I had what mattered most, a mother's unstoppable determination."

• 35:19Jamie Kern Lima?

  How in those moments, because a lot of us will get bad news and we feel helpless. And especially when our nature is to worry or to then have our anxiety go through the roof or any of those things.

• 35:38Jamie Kern Lima?

  What part of you, if you can just get granular for a minute, Victoria Jackson, what part of you that we all want to cultivate more of in ourselves, by the way, is that part where you're like, oh, okay, the doctors just told me this, but I don't accept that. And whether I succeed in failure in this, I'm going to do whatever I can to have a different outcome and to go for it and to figure something out I know nothing about.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I mean, when it's your child, I mean, at least for me, it was just innate. You know, I believe the power of love, with the power of love and intention, anything's possible. So I knew there was no effing way I was going to lose my daughter. It just wasn't going to happen. So I just knew that it was, I didn't have the answer. I didn't know what it was going to be. But I knew it was going to be in every ounce of my being.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  And then maybe, aha, maybe this is why I'm here, was to save my daughter and save all the people that have this and shine a light on autoimmune disease. And like the and and and is revealing itself as I started the work. Because all of a sudden, I went from, you know, six potential doctors in a room to hundreds of researchers, scientists, 45 countries, a biobank, a blood biobank repository, a data collection center, of all these things that are now affecting so many other autoimmune diseases. So you just don't know.

• 37:11Jamie Kern Lima?

  You are such a badass.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 37:14Jamie Kern Lima?

  You know, I know you know that. Anyone listening who's first time meeting Victoria Jackson, you are such

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Well, thank you.

• 37:21Jamie Kern Lima?

  a badass.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  I think I'm just determined. You know, I've never seen myself as necessarily a badass, but just as determined, like, okay, I'm going to figure this out. And if I can't figure this out, I'm going to ask you, Jamie Kern Lima, to help me figure it out. I'm going to ask this doctor at Stanford. I'm going to learn molecular medicine. I'm going to just question everything, bring people together. I build bridges. And when you build bridges, you don't, you don't know what's going to be on the other side. You don't know the people that you're connecting, that you're building something that is so much even bigger than you know, or you think, or is about you at the time. So I just put it out there.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  I, you know, people, I wrote a book called The Power of Rare, A Blueprint for a Medical Revolution. I didn't know when I was starting this, that somehow if somebody was going to tell me, I'd be writing a sort of like the blueprint for how to actually get drugs made. I would have laughed. I've been like, yeah, right. But I realized as I was going through it and things were happening and I was getting drugs made and I'm working with Genentech and this pharmaceutical and that. And I'm seeing, wait, pharma, yeah, pharma's pharma, but pharma's working with all these patients. They're working with these doctors. I need to shine a light on how this process works. It was kind of amazing, things that I had no idea. So I always just want to share

• 38:49Speaker 01

  because somebody else, another mom, dad, foundation, that's going through what I'm going through, is going to be able to benefit from that. That's what we need to do in the world. We have to get beyond, I was so worried and I still worry about Ally. I love my daughter. You know, I'm, I'm working on what I just call now Cure Shot, working for finding a cure for her. She's doing great, but I'm still a worrier. I'll always be a little nervous, Nellie. But it's, I'm also going to be doing the work.

• 39:18Jamie Kern Lima?

  Hmm. You went from mascara to medicine, from foundation to creating a foundation, another foundation, from, you know, the science of beauty to the beauty of science. And, and you really, you didn't just try. I mean, can you, you've been honored by the Pope.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 39:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  Amazing. And can you talk about, just to give everyone perspective, just the things you've accomplished in the short amount of time with where the Gethsemane Foundation is and all the things that you've done in that space? Because it's who you are. It's how you do things. You like pioneer in the beauty space, know nothing about the medical field. And I just want everyone to hear what you've done, because then we're going to transition into your wisdom and your stories and your lessons around, we all worry, now what? Because I feel like you do not write a book until you have got something to say and you've lived it and you understand it. So with, with the Gethsemane Foundation,

• 40:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  can you share, because this is just remarkable?

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you, just even, you know, think about like for me, just the Pope, when they asked me for my work in the foundation, to go to the Vatican and accept this pontifical advocacy award. The first time I was asked, kind of like that Oprah moment, I turned it down. I was like,

• 40:45Jamie Kern Lima?

  I didn't know this. I knew you'd turned down the Oprah the first time.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  I turned down the Pope. I was like, I can't get there. And they're like, oh, my gosh. Literally, the opportunity came around where they asked, next year, they want you to go. And I had two of my girlfriends go, we're taking you. If we have to knock you out, knock you out, we will take you and you're going. And I am so glad that I did. And I went with my family. And it was an amazing experience. And what was interesting, besides obviously all the pomp and pop circumstance that goes with that, haha, that was pretty incredible,

• 41:24Speaker 01

  was just until the moment where they were giving me this award and it's this beautiful Baccarat piece with all the saints engraved and everything, until that moment, and everybody stood up. And what was also wild is that Tony Robbins was there and he spoke right before me. And Tony Robbins and I, in my earlier life, was when we were doing my very first infomercial. So it was sort of this weird, strange moment of like, the infomercial, right? And here's Tony and I, and now, fast forward, all these years later, there's Tony who's doing his amazing, good work.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  And he's also at the Vatican, talking about what he's doing, and there we are. And it was just, so for just that moment, right before, everyone stood up. And it was only until then that I really looked up and I went, wow, what have I been doing? Um, this is amazing, because I do just put my head down and just like, do the work. The foundation, as I said, I was working, I've been working at the speed of life. When you start meeting people, and at one point, Ally and I, Ally said to me, Mom, this isn't just about the two of us. It's so much bigger, and it really is. You start seeing so many people that are affected, and the foundation has gone around the world.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  You realize, wow, this is bigger than me, and I've got to really organize and get through my own worry and stress and anxieties, because through it, when Ally has an attack, it's very bad, she can go between blindness and paralysis, and you don't know if it's coming back. So navigating actual, real-time situations, while you're also trying to find cures and get people on board when you're having to build those bridges that I talked about. There's a lot of dynamics that go in that, and so, it's been extraordinary to see the foundation now. When I first started, it was interesting, they said, you know, to cure a disease,

• 43:33Speaker 01

  you have to have a lot of, you have to have samples, you have to have samples from people. And I'm like, what does that mean? What do you mean? And they said, you're gonna have to have people's blood samples. And I was like, how am I doing that? How am I, first just trying to even find people that have this? Because at the beginning, there was, no one even knew who had it. So finding somebody, and now I'm gonna start having to get people's blood? Hence, I thought, I'm going to start a program called Blush for Blood, bringing my crazy beauty background into like, I'm going to get these women together. And if you give me your blood, you'll get a blush. It sounds so absurd, but it shows when you're working at the speed of life,

• 44:16Speaker 01

  when you think you've got four years before the sands of time on your daughter's life is running out, you start doing all different things. And we had a woman, a nurse, that would literally go anywhere in the world, and she would collect people's blood samples. I now have a hundred thousand samples in a biobank with everybody's data, because you realize too, in the world of medicine, people don't share information. So I also was fortunate through the success of my company and my husband's, we spent eighty million dollars of our own money. We don't have any deals, kickbacks with pharmaceutical companies, nothing. We've spent eighty million dollars, it's just out there in the universe,

• 45:01Speaker 01

  to help catalyze what has been now four therapies that are out in the market that serve the world worldwide.

• 45:09Jamie Kern Lima?

  Four therapies because of your work are now available out there.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Yep. So that's just been extraordinary. And every year I do a conference, I bring in patients and caregivers, researchers and scientists. I just had my last one a week ago at UCLA, and bring them in all over to share information. And that's how I've gotten things done. It's fostering collaboration and people working together.

• 45:37Jamie Kern Lima?

  Well, thank you for sharing all that to you, because when you, again, when you do something, you do something. Like when you do something, you do something. And with this new, beautiful, powerful book, We All Worry, Now What, can you talk about?

• 45:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  The Warrior Walk and Warrior Wisdom.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  I think, you know, for me, I just share wisdom. What's great about the book, too, I have to say, is the women that have offered up, and there's a couple of wonderful guys in there, Jay Shetty and Yogi Cameron, but I wanted people to see how do people navigate their, when they're worried? How do they deal with stress, anxiety, worry? And so each chapter opens with, whether it's Jane Fonda talking about what she worries about in climate change and how she deals with that, or Gloria Steinem and how she navigates what she thinks about, you know, in the, in the world today and the feminist movement that she started, and Kris Jenner, how she deals with the Kardashian group, the amazing

• 46:47Speaker 01

  empire that she has built, how she deals with that, with her faith every day. So I thought that was really interesting. And for me, I just wanted to showcase in the book, it's really whatever works. Different things work for different people. For me, it's zooming out, it's taking that next step, it's getting that perspective, but it's still moving through. It's knowing when I have to take that time just for myself, or I have to go and meditate, or I have to just be quiet, or I have to just go out with a bunch of girlfriends and, you know, have a night of drinking some wine, you know? It's knowing what that prescription is for me that helps me get to that next place that I've

• 47:31Speaker 01

  sort of set my sights on.

• 47:34Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, and, and just to kind of share a little bit more about that, in this book, you have a number of the people you just named all contributing to it, really, and sharing how worry shows up in their life and what they do about it. I wanted to ask you Specifically about the five steps, like the five steps to slow anxiety spiral from worrier to warrior.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:58Jamie Kern Lima?

  And the five steps that you talk about.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Well, for me, a lot of it is we get stuck in the rumination.

• 48:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  You know, we really, everybody just sort of ruminates and we, you know, that analysis paralysis, we just get really stuck. And it's just having to work through even the rumination, you know, that fear that we have that we're not going to get it right, or just being immobilized, you know, so I think that that is a very big one for me that I found was really helpful to people that they just ruminate, they're like, nothing's going to work, nothing's going to get me out of this. And they're afraid, like, you have to, you know, zoom out. You have to really zoom out and try to get perspective. That's what I do first and foremost.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  I have to look, it's almost like that, it's almost in this strange way when I was disassociating from my, what was going on, I had to almost disassociate, zoom out, look down. It's somewhat as what I do now, except I'm much more associated than disassociated. But I'm, I'm looking down at what the situation is. I'm looking down at what's the problem here? What do I want to try to achieve? I'm trying to like, do this, almost like mapping in my head. And then I go through my next step, which is just take that next step. Try to just get through that next step. Whatever that is for me, whether it's, you know, calling a friend, or taking an action, or going through a walk.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  That's what's really important to me is those two, I'd say for me more than anything, get me started, because you got to get started.

• 49:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  And I think when you were just sharing that, the zooming out of, is that kind of like an example of that, maybe when you talk about what you went through with your daughter? And, and now if a problem arises that you might worry over, you can actually zoom out and have like perspective, like, okay, no one's dying here. It's going to be like having that kind of. Zoomed out perspective that makes whatever's happening in the moment feel.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Well, I was reading, I attributed to Rob Lowe, but I know it's, I'm not sure exactly where that saying came, comes from. And it really does help me, especially since I live in, it's still a world of never knowing if my phone's gonna ring and God forbid, my daughter's having an attack or. So I always have to say, if it's not happening now, it's not happening. So it's keeping me always in the present. So if it's not happening now, it's not happening. So she's not calling you right now. The phone's not ringing. That thing that I'm worrying about hasn't happened yet. So it keeps me more in the present.

• 50:39Jamie Kern Lima?

  That's really good.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  That's really powerful. Cause so many of us, we live, we worry about stuff that happened in the past, or we worry about stuff that might happen in the future. And or might repeat itself again, or, but it's like, if it's not happening now, it's not happening.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  And you know what, Jamie, here's the thing too, like books like yours, and I mean this sincerely, are really helpful. I really believe in, I love to support other women, other people's philosophies. You know, my book, my thinking is one way. I want to just share it. But there's so many great people out there, like I know, I know so many of all these listeners have all listened to your book, or they've read your book. It's really powerful. So I'm always going back to, even with whatever's coming up in my life, I'm gonna flip a page of yours open. I'm gonna go back to, you know,

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Byron Katie and look at some of her things, like things that I'm somebody that's always, that's because I didn't go, finish high school. I didn't go to college. That's really been my education. My education has been my friends, my other women, men that write things, say things. I think that's really important. I will, of course, I want people to, you know, read my book and I want it to help a lot of people. But there's a lot of good things out there that you have to find out, like what resonates for you. What ultimately is gonna get you to that next place to move, to zoom out, to have that perspective, to take that action so that you can come full circle for yourself.

• 52:17Jamie Kern Lima?

  You say belief isn't a prerequisite to overcoming worry, but what you choose to visualize can impact your ability to kind of move through fear and worry.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:29Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  A big book that influenced me at the time was a book by Shakti Gawain called Creative Visualization. And so for me, and I know my husband, he's a big believer in Napoleon Hill. Like if you have to believe it to achieve it. For me, I'm much more of a visual person. And, and by the way, I think believing it and achieving it is critical too. For me, I just have to see it. Like I work with visuals, pictures in my head. And if I can see it, then I'm more able to achieve it.

• 53:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  And what's an example of that?

• 53:02Speaker 01

  I have to see things if I want to manifest something.

• 53:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  I always see this as a good thing for people to think about, like manifest, picture, you know, the house that you're living in, maybe the car you're driving, whatever it is that you want to manifest. I have to see things, I see them as pictures. So even with my daughter, I was seeing a cure. I was seeing whether it was her taking a pill that was like the therapy. I see it in my head and then I work to create it. So I think if you can create this kind of picture book, this, the stories that will go along with the pictures for me seem to follow. So that's, that's really how I work. So I have found that with this kind of creative visualization, um, all of a sudden,

• 53:45Speaker 01

  it's interesting, like I wrote one of my early books, people said, well, how do you, did you know about to be a CEO of a, of a company? And I was like, I didn't. So for me, and I know people have different feelings about acting as if they like it, they don't like it. For me, I just had to picture it. I had to see it in my head. And then all of a sudden, one day I would be thinking like, how does she dress? How does she talk? Which, and then one day I realized I was that person. Like they'd sort of seamlessly integrated. And, um, I was always very, very insecure. I, I think I told you this story of when I was shooting my very first infomercial, um, and I was

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Very nervous. I'd been just at that point, just the makeup artist on sets. And now here I'm gonna be now doing this is my show with my products. And I was very insecure in showing up that day. I just thought, I don't know that I can pull this off. I wasn't even used to, I didn't even wear much makeup. So, which was also I was doing no makeup makeup then. So, I was kind of doing some new things that, you know, just I wasn't sure how they were going to be received. And I remember that the gentleman who was shooting that day, the um, doing all the photography, and we're getting ready before the shoot. He looks at me and he goes, "Victoria, I have photographed some of the most beautiful women in the world. And I have found there's two types of women. There's women with great beauty, and there's women with great brains.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  And you are a woman with great brains." He says this to me. I'm like, "Oh, wow. Okay, yeah." And I'm thinking like with all these people there, I'm like, "Did he just call me like a dog? Like what, what?" And he goes, "So we're gonna put you outside. We're gonna give you some air and it's going to be beautiful." And I was just like, and it was such a gift that he gave me because I just from that moment on went, "Dude, I so got this." And it was like my worst fears had been, I was afraid I wasn't pretty enough, smart enough, whatever it was. And as I sat there in the chair that he put out in the parking lot was, the cars are whizzing by. I said, "I'm gonna go back in there. I'm gonna shoot this and I'm just gonna like, sell my product from my heart. And I'm gonna visualize

• 55:57Speaker 01

  that people are gonna love it. They're gonna call, they're gonna buy it. And you know, for my very first show, we did a million dollars a week in sales and it never really stopped. So, I'm very much about, no matter what happens, and a lot of that's gonna happen. You give that power to that thing that you don't want to happen and then it's happening. It's just how you navigate it, how you get through it. How do you, what do you see on the other side of that?

• 56:21Jamie Kern Lima?

  And That is so impressive because I think I would have been like, what? I would have been like, first of all, there's not two types of women. Second of all, like, I would have been like, I would have been feisty.

• 56:33Jamie Kern Lima?

  That's amazing. So you zoom out and you're like, okay, here's what I want to visualize.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  Exactly. And you did that yourself. All those years on QVC, I'm sure you visualized

• 56:43Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  all those people calling in and buying the cosmetics and all the amazing success you've had with the book. Somewhere in your brain, you have to have pictured it, seen it, and then you just, you work to manifest that. And it's a lot of hard work.

• 56:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah. And I find sometimes I like choose what I want to visualize and sometimes I just see something.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:03Jamie Kern Lima?

  And I'm like, oh, I think that's good because I think that means it's going to happen. And then it sort of like boosts my belief. But yeah, I remember so many times I did over a thousand live shows on QVC. And I once heard, actually Pastor Joel Osteen said that when he first started doing sermons, he was very nervous. And he would pray that when people would be changing the TV channel, when they would turn him on, that they couldn't turn away, that they couldn't turn him off. So I started doing that prayer, like before the QVC stuff. And I, I, you know, I would visualize like a person at home. It didn't even matter if they bought something, but I like, I would visualize them and just sort of like feeling more worthy if they, you know, just saw, felt seen through stuff. And yeah, I visualize stuff a lot.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:47Jamie Kern Lima?

  I believe in that. And I think what you said is really, is really powerful because someone might be worrying about something and maybe you can't quite believe the solution yet. But if you could visualize it, it's sort of like that step.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 58:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 58:02Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  It's whatever it is that's going to help you. And for me, I work best in pictures and visualizing. And I did it, you know, I'm still doing that with my daughter. I'm visualizing, I will have the cure. I now have the therapies that are managing it, but I will have the cure. So I will, and I say between the power of love, intention, visualization, I will get there. There's really nothing that you can't do. There's really nothing.

• 58:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  Hmm. Well, talking about, if I were to visualize the most beautiful bookstore.

• 58:34Jamie Kern Lima?

  In existence, I think I might visualize a brand new bookstore in Summerland, California, called Godmothers, that is literally opening the week that this comes out.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  I know.

• 58:48Jamie Kern Lima?

  So amazing timing. And can you talk about what a special place that is and how you've created? You know, I think, I think, when I think of the through line of our conversation and I think about every person listening and watching this, I just, I really hope everyone hears that all of the things that you want to do and can go after and continue creating and continue impacting can coexist with the stuff that we think, you know, maybe something that would disqualify us from doing that, right?

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:23Jamie Kern Lima?

  Or maybe something that's just us, or that we hide in, or feel shameful about, or feel like, oh, something's wrong with me because I worry, or have anxiety, or this or that, but it's like, okay, that doesn't disqualify you. And, and taking these steps, right? Whether it's through some of the lessons and we all worry now what, through the different things you've shared that can resonate with you, different, you know, whether it's therapy, different modalities, different, we're all on different journeys of figuring out what works for us, but that both can happen.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:51Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  And that's where, you know, you don't know what the surprise is in life. Like for the bookstore, for example.

• 59:56Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  I have a wonderful partner, Jennifer, Jennifer Rudolph Walsh, amazing powerhouse, all in her own with an amazing story. And we decided one day, talking that, you know, bookstore, a gathering space, Godmothers, you know, honoring the women that have done some of the most incredible things in the world. And I saw that in my head, you know? I saw the building, I saw what the store would look like, and then just worked to create it. Now, I didn't have plans my whole life I was gonna, you know, have a bookstore, and I'm thrilled that this is another chapter, literally, of a book that now I can put some of my books in the bookstore.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  But you have to leave space for the rooms to dream in your, in your mind, you know? And not know and what the surprises are that I met somebody who also had a vision and we connected and also decided to do this. And that's going to coexist along with the work that I'm working on still in medicine. Uh, bringing back my no makeup makeup.

• 1:01:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yes.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  I mean, all of those things, um.

• 1:01:03Jamie Kern Lima?

  I have it on right now.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:01:04Jamie Kern Lima?

  I'm obsessed with it.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:01:06Jamie Kern Lima?

  Let me just, uh, let me just say this right before we started filming, I actually showed Victoria my compact. Cause you have, I love, see how I, how for me, when I built it cosmetics, it was like, what's one product that's like

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Jamie Kern Lima?

  the best, you know, that I want to use every day. And with your no makeup makeup foundation, I opened it to show Victoria how literally I use it so much that it's down to the pan.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 1:01:30Jamie Kern Lima?

  I wanted to show, um, I now hoard it. It's that, it's so great. And, and this is really, really, um, special and cool too. You know, one of my best friends, Jackie, was always into fitness and she left her kind of dream of doing a fitness career and joined a cosmetics in our living room before we could even afford to pay ourselves. And she went through that whole journey as our very first employee. We grew to over a thousand employees. Now, many years later, she just launched her own company again.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:01:58Jamie Kern Lima?

  Um, called Fit Kitty that, you know, it's about, um, athleisure and fitness. It's part of who she is. You, you know, 40 years ago pioneered, changed the beauty industry, um, no makeup makeup. You've had so many different, um, beautiful chapters in your life and offerings to the world. Uh, many of which we've talked about on this episode, many more we haven't, but, uh, now you are launching this brand new evolution of no makeup makeup that I'm now wearing obsessively.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:02:30Jamie Kern Lima?

  And that's incredible.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. I wanted to make, um, 13 shades of what I was going to, and I do call, I think it's like the best foundation on the planet. I'm like, I'm just going to come up with this one amazing product right now that is truly awesome and is true to what I've been talking about for 40 years.

• 1:02:49Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  And trademarked a long time ago, no makeup makeup. Um, because I really. And so much of it came to life for me as I did go to the jails for so long and I would see women that were using makeup as a mask or as war paint in there a lot of times. That I just want, I wanted women, I want to help them like look and feel their best, but just not overly do it. And as I've gotten older and I'm now getting close to turning seventy, you just don't, you don't need to wear a lot of makeup, you know, it actually can age you in all the wrong ways. So, and even if you're young, I want people to have like great skin and not clogging their pores and overdoing it and layering, not to say you can't have fun,

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  but I just did want to make like the perfect amount. So where just less is best, more is too much, no makeup, makeup is just perfect. So I'm really, really excited about it. So many of my friends are using it and posting about it and it's, it's also a new world for me. It's sort of like fifteen years ago, I, I stopped, as I said, mascara to medicine. I was selling through infomercials and QVC and now it's a whole new frontier of creators and influencers and, you know, marketing in a whole different way. So, but I do believe, as I believed then, if you've got a great product, product is king, that's what gets people coming back.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  That's what makes people use it up. So the little pan is showing and they're compact. Thank you very much.

• 1:04:24Jamie Kern Lima?

  I think it's so beautiful because I think, you know, I just know, one of the things I love about this show and launching the Jamie Crenley Show and having these conversations is I get messages after the show, right? When this airs and there will be people that will write in and be like, I just realized that, you know, ten years ago or twenty years ago or forty years ago, I used to love this thing and it's actually in me and I want to do it again.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Jamie Kern Lima?

  Right? Or do it better or do it in a different way. And, and I think that it's so inspiring. You shared your almost seventy, like, you know, and you're launching this business. Like, it's incredible. And also, of course you are.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you thought it, I mean, and that is the best part of your show. Show and shows like this that you're doing it because it's it's women can do it. We can do it. And I don't mean just women. I'm gonna say women and men and everybody. It's like, you just gotta do it. You just, you know, if we all worry now, what helps give you a start? Um, and it's, by the way, it's the first time I read the actual, um, I've, I've done this. This is the fifth book, but I'd never read any of the books. Um, I did the audio version and it was great. If I can help guide you through, if you can hear it in my voice, anything that helps you get to that next place, to take that next step, um, it's just, the world is amazing.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  And yes, we have the stress, the anxiety, the worry, the blah, blah. But there's so many beautiful things out there and there's so much potential that everybody has inside of them. That, good for you for helping un-unlock that. It's just, there's nothing more beautiful than that.

• 1:06:01Jamie Kern Lima?

  Well, that's what you're doing in this book. And I think, you know, if you're watching us or listening right now and you feel like worry is holding you back or anxiety or any of that, and you feel like, you feel like your relationship with worry and how it is in your life right now is almost like costing you your joy or your freedom or, you know, keeping you stuck. Uh, I am so excited for you to read We All Worry Now What. Uh, not only Victoria sharing her incredible wisdom in this beautiful book, also a number of other, um, luminaries out there who are sharing, you know, how they've navigated worry in their own life.

• 1:06:43Jamie Kern Lima?

  And, uh, like you said earlier, I think that we can all, when we all just like share our stories and what's worked for us. It's like you then can, you know, not only see yourself and other people feel less alone, uh, more enough, um, more in community in this journey, but then you take what serves you out of it. And I think, you know, you take what, what you feel resonates with you that you can apply to your own life and your own journey. And so really excited for everyone to pick up their copy of We All Worry Now What. Um, and also, um, uh, you know, you can also get it, um, in the audio version as well. And what I wanted to ask you. Victoria is, for everyone listening and watching right now who wants to pick up their

• 1:07:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  copy of the book, or grab their shade of No Makeup Makeup, or learn more about the Guthie Jackson Foundation and everything else that you're up to, where's the best place for them to find you?

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  So, the best place for the Guthie Jackson Foundation, and for anybody dealing with any medical, in the world of autoimmune disease, NMO Resources is an app. You can download it on your phone for free. If you have a friend that maybe was diagnosed, or a family member with MS, there's a lot to learn about NMO that will really shed some light on autoimmune disease. Autoimmune disease and cancer is what I'm working on now, in addition. So, that would be where you would learn that. You could also read Saving Each Other, which is what I call my memoir, that Allie and I wrote together when she was first diagnosed.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  It's actually a very, very powerful book, and one at the time I didn't promote as much because I was really just living, you know, working on cures, and not taking a whole lot of time out for the promotion. But it's a really powerful book. And also, in that same area would be The Power of Rare, which is a blueprint for medical revolution, for anybody out there that is working on how to think about cures. And this is really the roadmap, the blueprint, of how I was able to get four therapies made. And it's a very powerful book that I co-wrote with Dr. Michael Yaman, who is Head of Molecular Medicine at UCLA, and my partner in all things science. And then, in terms of makeup,

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  yep, let's switch gears to makeup. There's nomakeupmakeup.com, and you can follow us on Instagram, and all those fun things. And the book, the book is going to be out. It's at Godmothers, it's online, it's in preorder, as you said, on Amazon. And I'm really proud of it. I think it's going to help a lot of people. I'm very grateful. Thank you today for having me here to be able to talk about it, and having people just hear About my story.

• 1:09:33Jamie Kern Lima?

  Well, thank you so much. Thank you for your friendship. Thank you for your leadership in so many areas of life. Like, thank you for your championship of stuff that matters. Thank you for sharing parts of your story today, and I'm so excited for everyone to learn a lot more. And we all worry, now what? If you loved today's episode too, my only ask is that you please click on the follow or subscribe button for the show on your app and give it a rating or review. And then share this episode with everyone you believe in. Share it with another person in your life who could benefit from it. Post it and share it with others online or in your community

• 1:10:13Jamie Kern Lima?

  who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this episode today. You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. And before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams, and all the unconditional love in the world. And it is an honor to welcome you to each episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what

• 1:10:58Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 1:11:43Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 1:12:27Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 1:14:09Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 1:14:53Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 1:15:15Jamie Kern Lima?

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• 1:16:18Jamie Kern Lima?

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