The Sandra Bullock Movie Star Playbook and ‘Practical Magic 2.’ Plus: ‘Oasis: Don’t Look Back in Anger.’

Don’t look back in anger if you spent over two hours watching a pretty rough legacy sequel. On today’s show, Sean and Amanda are joined by Yasi Salek to cover two new releases in ‘Oasis: Don’t Look Back in Anger,’ a film they loved, and ‘Practical Magic 2,’ a film they found to be quite poor. Later, they bring back the movie star playbook for Sandra Bullock and explore what they’d like to see from her career going forward. (0:00) We’re coming to San Francisco! (0:45) Intro (2:02) TIFF premieres and Venice film festival prize winners (10:21) ‘Oasis: Don’t Look Back in Anger’ (33:17) Our relationship to the original ‘Practical Magic’ (41:59) ‘Practical Magic 2’ is a brutal watch (59:11) ‘Practical Magic 2’ significantly underperforms at the box office (1:05:29) The Movie Star Playbook: Sandra Bullock Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Yasi Salek Producer: Jack Sanders Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the Personal Price Plan®. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there®. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's time for us to hit the road once again. Last time we left the country, this time we're staying in state.

• 0:11Amanda Dobbins?

  We're heading to ACT's Tony Remby Theater in San Francisco on Wednesday, October 21st for a very special live show. We'd love for you to join us.

• 0:20Sean Fennessey?

  Tickets will go on sale this coming Friday, September 18th at 11:00 AM Pacific. TheRinger.com/events will have all the details very soon.

• 0:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Again, the big picture will be live in San Francisco at ACT's Tony Remby Theater on Wednesday, October 21st. And you can grab your tickets beginning this Friday, September 18th at 11:00 AM Pacific.

• 0:40Sean Fennessey?

  More information will be at TheRinger.com/events soon. We hope to see you there.

• 0:55Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 0:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 0:56Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Picture Conversation Show about magic done practically. On today's podcast, Amanda and I are joined by Yasi Solak of the Band Splain Podcast to dig into the weekend's big movie, sort of Practical Magic 2, a sequel to the 1998 original starring Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock. Later in the episode, we will talk about Sandra Bullock's interesting career and maybe where it should go from here. We will also talk about the new millennial ultra text, which is a concert documentary called Oasis Don't Look Back in Anger. We'll also talk about some movie news right after this.

• 1:28Sean Fennessey?

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• 3:32Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, we were just discussing our weekends as able-bodied 40-somethings. And some of it was around friendship management, birthday parties, the screenings we attended, together and not together. And some of it was about how none of us are in Toronto, even though I got a chance to see a bunch of the movies that are at the Toronto International Film Festival. So I wanted to just mark some time on the movie calendar here because one week from today, Adam Neiman, our dogged Canadian correspondent and mean pod guy, will be here to give us the full wrap-up on the TIFF lineup.

• 4:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Runner-up in the Canadian movie draft.

• 4:08Sean Fennessey?

  That is true, though.

• 4:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Hi, Adam. Hi, Canada.

• 4:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Do you think that that was a just victory?

• 4:14Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 4:15Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 4:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, I mean, I'm still getting rude comments from Canadians who have just wandered into this room and been like, what is the big picture? What's a movie draft? And what, you know, how can you say that this represents Canadian cinema? Which, like, we did not, to be clear.

• 4:30Sean Fennessey?

  We did not.

• 4:31Amanda Dobbins?

  We were very clear about the fact that we were carpetbaggers, that we showed up welcome but uninformed.

• 4:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 4:40Speaker 05

  Very American behavior.

• 4:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:41Sean Fennessey?

  It's also one brand for this podcast in general. Over the weekend, a bunch of movies did premiere at TIFF. I got a chance to see I Play Rocky, which is the new biopic about the making of the film Rocky, the sort of film I usually don't like. Kind of enjoyed this one. We'll talk about it a little bit more with Adam. I'm very curious to hear what he has to say. I suspect not kind things. Also saw the Mahershala Ali film Your Mother, Your Mother, Your Mother, which is the film that he and Basam Tarek made after they did not make Blade. They should have made Blade. This movie was really good. Misty Green saw Chris Rock's new movie, which I thought was fascinating and will be the subject of an interesting conversation on this show. And then there were a few other titles. Being Human, River apparently popped for some people, and Love of Your Life. In addition to that, some film festival news.

• 5:24Sean Fennessey?

  You were not at the Venice Film Festival this year with Amanda.

• 5:27Speaker 05

  Sadly, this year, sat it out.

• 5:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I sent you some texts.

• 5:31Speaker 05

  You did?

• 5:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I visited some of our old haunts.

• 5:33Speaker 05

  I felt really loved. I felt loved and missed.

• 5:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought of you often. And I did impulse buy some velvet shoes that I didn't really need in your honor. And also some glass. Did you know that this year I did some Murano glass as well?

• 5:46Speaker 05

  You said, how did you get it home?

• 5:48Amanda Dobbins?

  In my bag, you know? Just with the, they wrapped it up nicely and it's beautiful.

• 5:53Sean Fennessey?

  We ended last Thursday hearing the story off mic and I'm hearing it once again on mic.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  It's important.

• 5:58Sean Fennessey?

  The results of the Venice Film Festival prize winners.

• 6:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Very confusing. Full disclosure, I was in a Target watching my son try to play a Nintendo Switch as you were texting me being like, who do you think will win the Golden Lion? And I was like, I don't, I'm back to my other life. Possible Love, which I think everyone thought would be the winner, won the Silver Lion, the runner-up. And so there was about, what, five minutes of intrigue when we had to guess?

• 6:27Sean Fennessey?

  That was when I texted you.

• 6:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 6:29Sean Fennessey?

  I saw Possible Love won the Silver Lion and I was like, huh.

• 6:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 6:31Sean Fennessey?

  Weird.

• 6:32Amanda Dobbins?

  What's left?

• 6:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Amanda Dobbins?

  So it turns out that Woman Unknown, directed by May Al Tukey, won. I did see this movie. So I'm two for two at going to your MP of film festivals and seeing the top prize.

• 6:44Sean Fennessey?

  That's right, you are.

• 6:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Which is very exciting for me.

• 6:46Sean Fennessey?

  And yet it was not a part of your report, so why was that?

• 6:48Amanda Dobbins?

  It was, it was not bad, but also not particularly memorable. I think it's a perfectly competent film. It's set in 1945 or just very, very recent post-war Denmark and is about the, what, what that society is doing with collaborators or how they're responding to life after being occupied by the Nazis for many years, as they were. And it, and it is told from the perspective and focuses on women rather than men. And May Al Tukey is.

• 7:27Sean Fennessey?

  Women?

• 7:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Women, have you heard of them? And there was, there was some controversy at the Venice Film Festival that there were very few films directed by women in competition. This, this film was. The other interesting thing about this is, did you, did you hear about the premiere?

• 7:42Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 7:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Where things went nuts. So after, you know, only letting like two women, I think, into the, the competition, they screwed up the premiere and the subtitles got all wrong. And so they actually had to stop.

• 7:57Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 7:57Amanda Dobbins?

  The, and restart and many people left. So this film has been, you know, mistreated by, by Venice until, I guess, the makeup of the Golden Lion. I thought, I thought it was totally normal in a film that like I've seen in some ways many times before. And also steals kind of its most memorable moments from Game of Thrones. So in that sense, there's.

• 8:23Sean Fennessey?

  Really? Are there white walkers in this film?

• 8:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's okay. I mean, it's not, not effective, but I, you know, I didn't race out to tell you about it.

• 8:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Okay. I mean, I look forward to seeing that movie. I noticed that also the star of the film, Matilda Arsell, also won Best Actress.

• 8:40Amanda Dobbins?

  And she's good.

• 8:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 8:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 8:41Sean Fennessey?

  And Malkovich won for Wild Horse 9, perhaps unsurprisingly. There was a special jury prize for NASA from Yuval Abraham and Rachel Zor. Yuval Abraham, of course,

• 8:52Sean Fennessey?

  worked on No Other Land, the documentary, a couple of years ago about Palestine, or about the West Bank, excuse me. And it's an interesting collection. A very international collection. I think it kind of speaks to the like, lack of starry lineup that appeared at Venice this year. I also find that the awards at the Venice Film Festival are often a little bit strange that they, of course, famously gave the Golden Lion to Joker.

• 9:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 9:14Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen Joker?

• 9:14Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 9:15Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think you'll see it?

• 9:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe. Anything could happen.

• 9:18Sean Fennessey?

  What are you waiting for?

• 9:21Speaker 05

  I gotta get through season four of Reacher.

• 9:24Sean Fennessey?

  Are you watching Reacher?

• 9:25Speaker 05

  I love Reacher so much, I would die for that man.

• 9:27Sean Fennessey?

  Alan Richson or the character Jack Reacher?

• 9:29Speaker 05

  The character Jack Reacher. Alan Richson also seems really lovely.

• 9:33Sean Fennessey?

  What, what appeal does Reacher hold for you?

• 9:36Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm so glad you asked. It has like a brand of humor I really enjoy. And also there's like, a sort of like an expertise porn or like maybe also a hulking strength porn, but kind of both. Like he knows everything because he was like a military police chief or something. Sorry if that's wrong. Who cares? It doesn't matter. And he can beat everybody up and I find it very satisfying.

• 9:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 10:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:00Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen Reacher?

• 10:01Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I've seen that actor in other films. I know that he had sort of like a world star incident recently.

• 10:09Speaker 05

  What?

• 10:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Didn't he like get in a fight with someone or he saved someone from a fight? Can anyone help me out of the booth? The only thing I know is that. That he's getting divorced. And that, and then he's getting divorced after.

• 10:19Sean Fennessey?

  He's also very vociferously anti-Trump and is known for going on podcasts and railing against the administration.

• 10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  With me.

• 10:26Sean Fennessey?

  And very Christian.

• 10:26Speaker 05

  So you're saying he is about to be on the market?

• 10:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Fight with neighbor. You guys missed this? That's correct. Yeah, okay. Or I was saying that's correct.

• 10:33Sean Fennessey?

  He got into a fight. I'll tell you who I wouldn't get into a fight with is Alan Richson. He's like 6'6", 280. He's huge, enormous.

• 10:39Speaker 05

  If he's listening.

• 10:41Sean Fennessey?

  You're interested?

• 10:41Speaker 05

  I'm interested. I'm available.

• 10:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's, this, this happened in March. He was riding a motorcycle around a Tennessee neighborhood with his children. And.

• 10:50Sean Fennessey?

  They were on his motorcycle and then he got into a fight? Seems not ideal.

• 10:54Speaker 05

  Maybe it had a sidecar.

• 10:54Sean Fennessey?

  That's down, that's down like richard-esque. You think they had, you think he had a sidecar? Double sidecar? Wow, that's pretty funny.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  Two small children, one sidecar.

• 11:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I say just one more thing about Woman Unknown? Which is just that, so.

• 11:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's been eight minutes.

• 11:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, we, listen, we had to investigate what's going on in Alan Richson's personal life, Richson's. So along with Fjord, so the European Film Festivals have given the top prize to movies set in Scandinavia. Dealing with social morals and whether Scandinavians could be trusted. And that's really just, I wanted to point that out.

• 11:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, good.

• 11:29Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 11:30Speaker 05

  Denmark is Danish?

• 11:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 11:32Speaker 05

  I get this wrong quite a bit.

• 11:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's correct. Holland is the Dutch.

• 11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 05

  Shoes.

• 11:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Shoes.

• 11:38Sean Fennessey?

  Among other things, yeah. Let's not, let's not reduce these entire nations to broad cultural artifacts.

• 11:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Just pointing it out. That's all.

• 11:45Sean Fennessey?

  Um, okay. Well, thanks for sharing. Let's stay in Europe, why don't we?

• 11:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 11:50Sean Fennessey?

  Let, let's speak of Oasis, Don't Look Back in Anger.

• 11:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, this, that's, I mean, Europe is complicated with respect to Oasis now, right? Are they Europe? You know, you want to wade into that one?

• 12:00Speaker 05

  Did we not Brexit?

• 12:02Sean Fennessey?

  We did Brexit, I suppose. Did they play any other shows in any other European nations in that film? I know they played shows in the United States and in Asia. Were there any other European performances?

• 12:11Amanda Dobbins?

  They're definitely in, in Brazil at one point.

• 12:14Sean Fennessey?

  That's right, of course.

• 12:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Are they?

• 12:16Speaker 05

  Oh, you guys, you're gonna feel real stupid. Ireland.

• 12:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure.

• 12:20Sean Fennessey?

  Ireland did not Brexit.

• 12:22Speaker 05

  Famously not the case.

• 12:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, yes.

• 12:25Speaker 05

  Can't wait to talk about that.

• 12:26Sean Fennessey?

  So this movie, which you did see in Venice and you briefly reported on, and then Yasi and I got a chance to go see it this weekend.

• 12:31Amanda Dobbins?

  And put it on my top five, unlike Woman Unknown.

• 12:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Uh, and I think very understandably, having now seen the film, which I thought was absolutely delightful.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  Venice, give Oasis the Golden Lion. Is that what it's called? You cowards.

• 12:42Sean Fennessey?

  Was this film in competition? It was not.

• 12:44Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 12:44Speaker 05

  Well, it should have been.

• 12:45Sean Fennessey?

  It's directed by Will Lovelace and Dylan Southern, who are a pair of documentarians who've made a few films sort of like this. They made the Meet Me in the Bathroom film. They made LCD Play the Hits.

• 12:56Sean Fennessey?

  Couple of other, I would say, millennial, Gen X-coded music docs.

• 13:03Sean Fennessey?

  And this movie is about Oasis reuniting and Liam and Noel, after many, many years, I think, is it 17 years of not playing together? Reuniting and including bringing other members of the band, bringing Bonehead back into the band and.

• 13:18Speaker 05

  Bonehead J?

• 13:19Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 13:20Speaker 05

  If you will.

• 13:20Sean Fennessey?

  And, and touring the world and, and changing people's lives. And you know, I've been thinking back on my relationship to Oasis.

• 13:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 13:28Sean Fennessey?

  Because that's what this film demands, right? I didn't get a chance to see them perform live like you guys did. And I was sad about that. I don't, I still don't really know why that didn't happen since I live 15 minutes from the Rose Bowl.

• 13:40Amanda Dobbins?

  45 on foot, which is what happens after you see a show at the Rose Bowl.

• 13:43Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, you walked home?

• 13:44Amanda Dobbins?

  You gotta walk all the way out of there. Yeah, you have to walk back to pass the dinner.

• 13:48Speaker 05

  It sounds like you didn't try hard enough, if I'm being honest.

• 13:51Sean Fennessey?

  As I recall, it was an extremely busy period in my life. That's all I'll say. Um, with a, with a minimal amount of childcare in my life. So we were, we were short on babysitters.

• 13:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it was like the week after Telluride also, because it was, it was very soon after we went to Venice.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  I think it was like early September. It was right when I got back, because I came back from that long, right after Venice, and I went straight to the Oasis show.

• 14:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Same.

• 14:12Speaker 05

  You did, yes, yeah.

• 14:12Sean Fennessey?

  This is a fairly quick turnaround for this movie. Um, and this was a hu, I mean, a hugely anticipated thing for fans, but as a, as a teenager, I remember very vividly loving the band, buying the first record.

• 14:27Sean Fennessey?

  And listen, burning it out. And that, and that's all before What's the Story Morning Glory. Like, and, and being, I had a good friend of mine, Ryan, um, in high school, was very NME-pilled. And his mother was English and he knew about a lot of British bands. And he, he was like very early on the strokes because he was reading the British music press. And he was very into Oasis. And then I think he became maybe more of a Blur person and I stuck with Oasis and I never really totally got into Blur until I got older. But you know when you just have like a youthful sense memory and something comes pouring back?

• 14:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:59Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like this movie was just a two-hour sense memory, you know, of just like passionate love for CDs that I listened to over and over again while playing video games in my mom's basement. And god, this movie was just so satisfying and beautiful and fun. That's my review.

• 15:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, 1,000% agree, but we know that. Yasi?

• 15:19Speaker 05

  Dudes rock. Music is amazing. Fandom is gorgeous. You can have it all, but how much do you want it? This is a perfect film. Five out, five out of five.

• 15:29Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 15:29Speaker 05

  10 out of 10.

• 15:30Sean Fennessey?

  A big conceit of the movie is this kind of twinned approach between the union of, of Noel and Liam and showing how their personalities are different and how they're still brothers and they're still connected. And then showing how their music has really affected multiple generations of fans, which I thought was an obvious but brilliant conceit because it gives the movie so much emotionality. And then it's, we don't have to depend too much on Liam and Noel being clever about themselves.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  Right.

• 15:56Sean Fennessey?

  Which is something they're very good at, but that's usually works best, I find, in small bursts.

• 15:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And they get like, they get one, uh, recording of Noel admiring Liam and one of Liam being like, this kid wrote the songs and they, you know, like where they, but you only have a minute from each of them, which can't sustain an entire documentary. So they padded out.

• 16:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, so they, they bounce from city to city and essentially, like each song more or less gets a city.

• 16:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:25Sean Fennessey?

  And you get to use that as a portal into the dynamics of the song, what the song is about, what the history of it is, how it relates to the history of the band. There can be different kind of strains of storytelling. Like there's a strain that's about Bonehead. There's a strain that's about their Irish heritage. There's a strain that's about, um, a fan who's traveled a long distance to come see them play. How did, what did you think about that dynamic?

• 16:47Speaker 05

  I thought it was so brilliant, the way that they like did the connective tissue between the beats. Like it could have been, like they, they could have really gone heavy-handed with it with the emotionality. Like, but for example, like I, I'm thinking about one of the beats, which was a, I believe it was like a, a kid, like a teenager with autism. Whose mother was talking about how he never spoke until he asked for a talk tonight. And like, I cried. But also like, they didn't, they didn't beat it into the ground, right? It was so, it was just.

• 17:21Sean Fennessey?

  Like two minutes.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  Two minutes, very brief, because also that's not the tone and tenor of Oasis. Like, they're not sincere and emotional. I mean, the music is, but they as a band.

• 17:31Sean Fennessey?

  That is one of their most emotional songs. That's a very unusual Oasis song, acoustic, Noel singing. One of my, it's one of my favorite songs, but it's an interesting thing because I thought of the Oasis Supersonic documentary, which is a movie that came out seven or eight years ago.

• 17:44Speaker 05

  Fantastic.

• 17:44Sean Fennessey?

  Great film. But that film spends a lot of time explaining the context of that song, which is this moment where there's this, you know, horrible show in LA where it seems like the band's about to break up.

• 17:53Speaker 05

  They do a bunch of cocaine. Actually, it was meth.

• 17:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, they got very, very fucked up. Noel panics.

• 17:57Speaker 05

  Noel absconds to San Francisco.

• 17:59Sean Fennessey?

  He goes to San Francisco and disappears for a few days and he meets this girl and he kind of like has a weekend fling slash falls in love with this girl. And he writes this song about this time that he has with this girl, which kind of lets him like reconstitute his feelings about the band. None of that is in this movie. It's just about this kid's relationship to that song, which is, I thought was just such a nice choice.

• 18:18Speaker 05

  This film, that's my other thing where I think they were really restrained is like, you, you know how much B-roll and back old archival footage there is of Oasis? They didn't use that much. Because that's not what this movie is about, right? It's not about the past. It's about the present and like it coming into our lives again. And I thought that was really smart and cool, too.

• 18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It's also really well chosen what they use in the present. And that is the, the autistic child is the most moving example. But every single interstitial, kind of every single fan that they illuminate. You, and I found myself even bracing. There's like 10 seconds of someone with a sign and you think it's sort of the generic, like, I love Oasis so much, like outside of a crowd type thing. And, and, and it feels, or I was worried that it was kind of like traditional fan documentary. And every single example of that, there's a twist or something quirky. The Bonehead one is about how she loves, she's just voiceover about how much she loves Bonehead. And then it's her dog who's named Bonehead. Really funny and very clever.

• 19:19Amanda Dobbins?

  And so they're even using these very traditional music documentary tropes, but in a, in a smart and amusing way.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  It's, and I think what's really genius about it, it's like twofold. Like one is that like, as, you know, we experienced the shows and like the London show was the, I made a really questionable decision that ultimately paid off.

• 19:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 19:40Sean Fennessey?

  Just flying to London to go see them play.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  With a fan who I'd never met.

• 19:44Sean Fennessey?

  Whoa.

• 19:45Speaker 05

  Named Chad.

• 19:45Sean Fennessey?

  Forgot about this. Yes.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  Bless you, Chad. And his friend Joe.

• 19:49Sean Fennessey?

  Did he invite you?

• 19:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right.

• 19:51Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I was like, you know what?

• 19:53Sean Fennessey?

  You're alive.

• 19:54Speaker 05

  It's an absolute miracle. I was like, I was like pinned an air tag to my chest, you know, padding to note, please take care of this yassee going into the night.

• 20:02Amanda Dobbins?

  We were sharing locations.

• 20:04Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. But it was important. Again, no risk, no reward. It was the best night of my life. I, I landed, it was, oh, it was your birthday party. Remember I stayed an extra day because it was your birthday party?

• 20:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, that's right. Because this was the big talk of that night was like, what safety precautions is?

• 20:21Speaker 05

  Should I take?

• 20:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, let's, let's be real. Chad turned out to be one of the great ones.

• 20:26Speaker 05

  He was okay. Yeah.

• 20:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  Joe is my role dog for life now, but.

• 20:30Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 20:31Speaker 05

  So I flew in that, the day of the show.

• 20:34Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 20:34Speaker 05

  Off the plane. Very risky, but I couldn't miss Amanda's birthday.

• 20:38Sean Fennessey?

  Of course.

• 20:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 05

  Off the plane, straight to the Standard Hotel. Shout out. May, one of my favorite places to stay in London, me, meeting up with Joe and Chad. And thank God my friend Lindsay Hartman and her girlfriend were there. So I also had my girls and we hit, you know, we, the, the entire city was like on fire with Oasis. Like everywhere you went, people, the whole tube was just people decked out in their Oasis gear, singing the songs. We like walking up to Wembley, we stopped for a drink in a bar where an Oasis cover band was playing and everyone singing along and having drinks, going to Wembley. It was just, you know, I thought it was really smart that they didn't cover the openers in this, but like Richard Ashcroft opened in London.

• 21:18Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 21:18Speaker 05

  And amazing. He played verb songs, like Joe, who was probably six, five and 300 pounds weeping behind me. Did I meet a group of gorgeous young British men and befriend them? Yeah.

• 21:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:32Speaker 05

  Sure did. Did Joe accidentally partake in a powdered substance that he thought was a different powdered substance, which rendered him immobile? And thus somehow became my responsibility because Chad absconded into the night.

• 21:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I had forgotten that part. Okay.

• 21:51Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think I've heard this story before.

• 21:52Speaker 05

  300 pounds, me and Lindsay Hartman, one arm over escorting this man outside of Wembley. What do we do? Still, again, people were crying. I was like in the pit, arms around people I had never met, you know, we're jumping them down, beers being splashed everywhere. It was magic. Like the, it was just the energy. I've never felt anything like it.

• 22:14Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 22:14Speaker 05

  And the, sorry to bring it back to the documentary, I really think the documentary captured that. Like I felt like I was back there. I was like, they nailed it. It wasn't hyperbole. Like that's what it was like.

• 22:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I went to the Rose Bowl shows in Pasadena, which you also did, but you were, you were general admission.

• 22:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:30Amanda Dobbins?

  On the ground. I was not.

• 22:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought the documentary was more fun than the Rose Bowl show. Rose Bowl show, in my opinion.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  Negative towards Los Angeles, but the Rose Bowl show was a little like people being cool guy and a little like people were like, I just want to go to the show because it's the cool thing to do. A little bit less, I mean, it's also to England. This is the pride of England, you know?

• 22:48Amanda Dobbins?

  It was the end of the tour also, and we're on the later side. And so, I mean, that's the other thing about the documentary is just the, the filmed concert footage of all the different performances and the, the edit is amazing. And so you see a lot that we did not get at Pasadena and both guys just seemed a lot more emotionally present at those early shows than they were.

• 23:08Speaker 05

  Well, I think it's also the crowds. Like I think it was so smart of them to focus on Mexico City and Brazil, because nobody loves rock music but more than Mexico City and Brazil.

• 23:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 05

  They will die for it. And those crowds were on fire. Like it was crazy.

• 23:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  But I feel like the second smart thing that this, well, I don't know if it was smart, but what Oasis is about to me, like, and as someone who has spent months and months of my life researching Oasis, is they are the people's princesses, right? They make broad music for everybody, anthemic music. And it's about like, it's about broadness. And I think you saw in this documentary that it was, it's really about what it is to just be a fan and love music. It wasn't so granular. You know, it was just like, this is how moving music and bands can be.

• 23:59Sean Fennessey?

  I, you're right. And it did capture that. I, one of my favorite moments of the movie is when the, the British chap is outside, um, when the announcement is made and he's like, I gotta get out, me Fred Perry. You know, like, and they're like, they're laughing at him and he's like, I'm, I'm serious. Like I have to get it out. Like this is a huge deal. And there is obviously a lot of national identity built up in there. Um, and it is about interpersonal relationships and individual people's relationships to a certain kind of music. But it did give me like some of that nerdy music documentary stuff that I want, like the exploration of some might say, and like what that song was about and their Irish heritage.

• 24:38Sean Fennessey?

  And then playing, you know, talking about the, um, Paul Kelly song, All Triangle. And, you know, that, that's like some old, uh, some normal music documentary stuff. It isn't just about like rocking out at a concert, you know?

• 24:51Speaker 05

  Was that part? Like my, my roommate leaned over to me and we saw it together in Oasis jerseys. And she was like, Irish Zionism. And I was like, period.

• 24:59Sean Fennessey?

  It was, it was. Well, there's the great, that great, is it, is it the Liam quote where he's like, no, it's Noel. He's like, the Irish are the only race that can cry, laugh, fight.

• 25:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:11Sean Fennessey?

  Smoke, drink all at the same time.

• 25:12Speaker 05

  Also, I'm sorry, I will say, I said it before and I'll say it again. They should have let me smoke cigarettes in the screening of this Oasis documentary.

• 25:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Did you try?

• 25:20Speaker 05

  No.

• 25:21Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  But they shouldn't let me.

• 25:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Would that be possible in the UK, anywhere? Like in Manchester?

• 25:25Speaker 05

  Oh my God, you guys, billion dollar idea. Can someone open a smoking theater?

• 25:30Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like that's not healthy for the screen and the speakers.

• 25:34Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. The tech nerd weighs in immediately. Okay.

• 25:39Sean Fennessey?

  I don't need to, I'm not, I'm not really a part of the smoking revolution. I'm good. I'm, I'm trying to.

• 25:43Speaker 05

  Okay. Then you don't have to, you can go to the regular AMC IMAX or whatever, but.

• 25:46Sean Fennessey?

  Are you guys funding the smoke screen? Like that's what it's called, obviously.

• 25:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure. Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm open to investors.

• 25:52Amanda Dobbins?

  We're obviously just, we're getting sponsorship.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Alan Richardson, if you're listening, I would love to partner with you on the smoke screen, a new series of theaters where you can smoke cigarettes.

• 26:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Wait, can we just, can we talk about the Noel and Liam of it all? Because it's so beautiful. It's a really, really.

• 26:08Sean Fennessey?

  Relieved that they both allowed themselves to be sincere about it.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Right.

• 26:12Sean Fennessey?

  Because I did worry a little bit. Yeah. But they both gave you enough, you know, like Liam especially, you know, Liam is a fucking roller coaster man. And Liam has had some troubles, like Liam in the post breakup, things were a little dodgy there for a while.

• 26:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 26:27Sean Fennessey?

  He obviously is still like a beautiful person and in, in like a one of one elite front man.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  He is one of the most.

• 26:33Sean Fennessey?

  Truly magical.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  Fascinating people. It's, he's like pure id. I've never experienced anything like.

• 26:37Amanda Dobbins?

  He's so important to me.

• 26:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I know. He's very Amanda coded.

• 26:40Speaker 05

  He's an inspiration.

• 26:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm so connected to him. Also.

• 26:43Speaker 05

  You have to, you have to try really hard to not care.

• 26:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 05

  This much.

• 26:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. To not give, yeah. To not give a fuck. Yeah.

• 26:51Sean Fennessey?

  Noel, of course, uh, has not changed that much, I would say. He's, he's more or less the same person, which is like, really somewhere between that very ordinary council estate, lower middle class kid and deep thinker. Like music obsessed kid, like laying on the carpet in his bedroom, listening to every record ever and kind of figuring out like song structures and.

• 27:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. He's, I mean, he's a genius.

• 27:15Sean Fennessey?

  He's a genius. He's a, he's a songwriting genius.

• 27:17Speaker 05

  That's why Oasis is such a rich thing for something like this, because they are the platonic ideal of a rock band, right? They have the, the two figures, which in many of the greatest rock bands exist, the, the figure that writes the songs and is sort of the musical genius, but they're kind of writing it about the front man.

• 27:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 27:34Speaker 05

  Who's living it out. It's very Mick and Keith, you know, like this is, this happens.

• 27:38Sean Fennessey?

  But inverted.

• 27:39Speaker 05

  That's inverted. Yeah, exactly.

• 27:40Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're also, and they're brothers also.

• 27:42Speaker 05

  So it's like biblical, like also in the strain of like the Jesus and Mary chain, there's like many, you know, brother bickering, but like you're tied together by blood and DNA.

• 27:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. The kinks are like this. Yeah, yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 05

  The kinks, exactly. And it's like, it's myth, you know? They're a rock and roll myth.

• 27:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's, honestly was sad to me that they were not communicating and not in touch. And so even if they, well, the, to me, the single most like chills moment of the movie for me is because I didn't go to the shows. When they're in Cardiff at the first show and they walk on stage and first of all, fucking in the bushes is an absolute banger, which I always loved from standing on the shoulder of giants. So that being their like walkout music.

• 28:18Speaker 05

  Shoulder singer.

• 28:18Sean Fennessey?

  And then, um, what did I say?

• 28:21Speaker 05

  No, you said it, but I just, I love to point out that it's standing on the shoulder, one shoulder of giants.

• 28:25Sean Fennessey?

  Standing on the shoulder of giants, right.

• 28:26Speaker 05

  Not shoulders.

• 28:27Sean Fennessey?

  And, and Liam grabs Noel's hand and raises his hand in the air and they walk out together, holding hands. I was like, oh my God, this is so great. I had no idea that that happened. I never saw that, that photo or I didn't know that.

• 28:39Speaker 05

  Oh, they did it every show.

• 28:40Sean Fennessey?

  Right. And they showed that in the film and that that kind of became there. But was like, was that planned? Did they discuss that? Is that something Liam did, you know, at last minute? I don't know.

• 28:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And Noel's kind of narrating. And he's like, he showed up late. I was so nervous. He's just asking about the catering. I don't even know what's going on.

• 28:56Speaker 05

  Built it up to seem, and who knows, we weren't there, but they built it to seem like he had no idea what Liam was gonna be like, you know?

• 29:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 29:02Amanda Dobbins?

  A friend was at a Q and A in London over the weekend with Will Lovelace and Dylan Southern. And the footage that you see of rehearsals where Liam shows up, doesn't say anything and leaves, was apparently true throughout rehearsals. And so they had no idea until the tour started of whether like the reconciliation like was real until that moment.

• 29:23Speaker 05

  Right. No one knew. We were all, it was a polymarket. We were like, is this, if you have tickets to like the third show, are you gonna go?

• 29:29Sean Fennessey?

  We talked about this at the time, like, would they make it to the Rose Bowl, for sure?

• 29:32Speaker 05

  I will say, someone did know, though, that they had to show the Adidas bag front facing.

• 29:38Speaker 05

  So someone was paying attention to a few things. And that's okay.

• 29:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It was really beautiful. And I thought, I also liked that they show, especially near the end of the film, the progression and how clearly they got closer, you know, like their embrace at the end of the show when Liam would walk off and they would hug and they would kiss.

• 29:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:54Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it seemed like they like, they mended something over time by playing together.

• 29:58Speaker 05

  I think it's really cool that like this documentary doesn't over explain or handhold. So it's rewarding if you're like a me, for example, who like knows the minutia of every historical detail and background. But I think it's just as rewarding if you just kind of like three Oasis songs. That was really cool. But like, for example, like, I think part of what's so special about you seeing them come together and you seeing Noel shift towards Liam is that Liam never sounded this good.

• 30:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  Actually, literally never, but definitely like, I saw them like 2004 or 2005, did not, his voice never, and he clearly has like doubled down and recommitted himself. He said it. I'm not smoking, you know, they have the straws. The straws, I think, are for vocal warmups.

• 30:41Sean Fennessey?

  He was also not drinking during the whole tour?

• 30:43Speaker 05

  I would, that's would be shocking.

• 30:45Sean Fennessey?

  I thought he said that at the beginning of the film.

• 30:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I think he did, but then, and then he talks about, you know, when they, they do a clever thing. They sat down for one joint interview and they don't really show them together in frame until the very end of the documentary.

• 30:58Sean Fennessey?

  The pullback, yeah.

• 30:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And you're just like, ah!

• 31:00Speaker 05

  It was so good.

• 31:01Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, and then there's that bit where Liam is talking about having all their kids on tour. And he's like, the kids are having such a great night and I'm like some, you know?

• 31:09Speaker 05

  They had never met.

• 31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and, but he was saying that basically the kids were partying and he's, he's not, he's too old. And then Noel's just sitting there giggling. It's wonderful!

• 31:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's really, it's a, it's a really, really good example of a movie like this. Movies like this can go terribly wrong. They can be very like authorized and phony seeming. And this is like a genuine document that I think accurately shows the relationship the fans have to this band. The movie, I think this is very self-serving for the band, but I also think it is true that-

• 31:37Speaker 05

  I mean, it came out two days before the new tour.

• 31:40Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, of course, of course. But I mean specifically this point, which is that they go out of their way to say that a lot of families have, parents have given this band to their kids.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, because of the crowds were so young.

• 31:49Sean Fennessey?

  Because there's a lot of kids there. And he's like, you know, I think it's Noel is kind of looking out at the crowd and is seeing like all these like teens and 20-somethings. And he's like, this is so strange. I feel like the crowds weren't even that young when we were playing in the 90s and 2000s. So yeah, now I have to go see them in 2027.

• 32:04Speaker 05

  We're going to like seven shows.

• 32:06Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I want to go to Glasgow. That's what I want. I haven't been to Scotland in 10 years.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  I'll come with you to Glasgow.

• 32:11Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just in Scotland.

• 32:12Speaker 05

  Yes, I'm gonna go to Nebworth.

• 32:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Glasgow to Cannes?

• 32:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. You guys, you'll be right over there.

• 32:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes! Yes, Sean, yes!

• 32:18Speaker 05

  Glasgow's right, or two days after my birthday, so we can celebrate. You have some other things you have to do in Europe?

• 32:24Sean Fennessey?

  I do, I do.

• 32:25Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  French skincare purchase?

• 32:27Sean Fennessey?

  No, I have to go see Tracy Letts perform in Death of a Cell.

• 32:29Speaker 05

  Are we not invited?

• 32:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we're not invited.

• 32:31Speaker 05

  Tracy likes us.

• 32:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. We spent time with, in Venice with Tracy last year.

• 32:35Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 32:35Speaker 05

  Tracy sent me a text message or two. I feel like I could be on that list.

• 32:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, listen-

• 32:40Sean Fennessey?

  You think Tracy wants to go see Oasis?

• 32:41Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 32:42Sean Fennessey?

  Probably not.

• 32:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I actually wonder, Tracy, what is your relationship to Oasis? Let us know.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Do you like Oasis?

• 32:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, we can just do a whole swing, because once you're over there, you know?

• 32:50Speaker 05

  Also, not to get back on my mean, mean music biopic guy podium, which is where I live, aren't you so fucking glad that they didn't try to make a biopic?

• 33:01Sean Fennessey?

  I wouldn't rule it out in the future.

• 33:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:03Sean Fennessey?

  Because this now has a happy ending.

• 33:04Speaker 05

  Imagine Liam Gallagher is like a ray of light captured through a prism of a rainbow. What person could, they've tried. I mean, there's been little characters that are supposed to be Liam.

• 33:16Sean Fennessey?

  What movie did we watch where they, where they portrayed him?

• 33:18Speaker 05

  It was a very bad film.

• 33:20Sean Fennessey?

  Is that Alan McGee movie?

• 33:21Speaker 05

  Yes, it was Creation Stories.

• 33:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 33:23Speaker 05

  Um, also my favorite Alan McGee thought that I couldn't stop thinking about every time Bonehead was on screen is like when he first met Oasis and Bonehead was already bald, which is why they called him Bonehead. And he goes, can we not get him a hat?

• 33:37Sean Fennessey?

  Any closing thoughts on this movie? It made about a million dollars. You know, I think it's a, it's a for fans document, for sure. And it's a very British document as well.

• 33:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And for old people.

• 33:44Sean Fennessey?

  And, and, well, there's a lot of, but there were, yeah, young people.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  I think Oasis is so enduring for many reasons, but also it's like, we don't make big rock bands like this anymore.

• 33:53Sean Fennessey?

  One other thing that I really enjoyed about it was, you get, you get Champagne Supernova, you know, you get Wonderwall, you get Don't Look Back in Anger, you know, you get Rock and Roll Star.

• 34:03Speaker 05

  They did them in the order that they were played at the show.

• 34:06Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, is that true?

• 34:06Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 34:06Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 34:07Speaker 05

  Which was really cool.

• 34:08Sean Fennessey?

  They also gave you like the master plan, and some might say, and Talk Tonight.

• 34:13Speaker 05

  Acquiesce.

• 34:14Sean Fennessey?

  You know, acquiesce. Like, the acquiesce, see, that was the thing.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  We need each other.

• 34:18Sean Fennessey?

  After the Cardiff show, I guess it was like the Oasis account, just released the first 30 seconds of them playing Acquiesce. And I was like, fuck, like, how am I not going to this? How was I not there?

• 34:28Speaker 05

  Some of us were sitting at home.

• 34:29Sean Fennessey?

  And that's the other thing, the band sounds so good.

• 34:31Speaker 05

  Some of us were sitting at home on a random guy's livestream, who livestreamed the entire Cardiff show.

• 34:36Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, really?

• 34:37Speaker 05

  And I was glued. That's right. He just, and I was sitting there, the whole, just sitting at home watching it.

• 34:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's commitment from him and you.

• 34:44Speaker 05

  He's a real one. And I, I appreciate his service.

• 34:47Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know if there's an elegant segue to Practical Magic 2. I guess it's about aging.

• 34:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess it's about the 90s?

• 34:52Sean Fennessey?

  Passing things down.

• 34:53Amanda Dobbins?

  The 90s being back.

• 34:54Speaker 05

  Sisters, brothers.

• 34:55Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. I mean, in 1998, when Practical Magic came out, Oasis, more or less the peak of their powers, right?

• 35:02Speaker 05

  Things from the 90s that didn't age as well.

• 35:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  For 200.

• 35:05Sean Fennessey?

  But before we talk about Practical Magic 2, let's talk about Practical Magic, because confession time, I'd never seen the movie until five days ago.

• 35:12Speaker 05

  I was so surprised you didn't say that.

• 35:12Sean Fennessey?

  And I don't know why. I think I just missed it. Perhaps it's because it was a female-centered story and I was 15 when it came out. But I don't think so. I love supernatural stuff and horror and all that. So, and I love women, love Sandy.

• 35:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. It wasn't a thing in the, when it was released. I don't think it, yeah, it was not, and it was not widely celebrated. And so it has allegedly become this-

• 35:35Speaker 05

  It was a big thing for me in high school, like on V, on like Rent.

• 35:38Sean Fennessey?

  Right, you didn't see it in theaters.

• 35:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  No. Um, but I've, I've watched it every year since it-

• 35:45Sean Fennessey?

  No kidding?

• 35:45Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. It's like my fall special treat, like October rolls around. I have like a deep relationship with the first movie.

• 35:53Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. Okay. I'm so glad you're here.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's, well, I think, okay, look, is it Citizen Kane? No. However, it is this like, like, I always think about like Nancy Meyers houses and, you know, you talk about them in your jokes.

• 36:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 36:08Speaker 05

  This house in Practical Magic 1 is my Nancy Meyers. That's like my perfect house. It's like so, basically the entire film is like sensory porn. Like, it's so lived in, it's so warm, the like beautiful coastal environment. I think it was Whidby Island it's maybe filmed on. You feel, like, you can feel the crisp of the fall air. It feels like you just put a sweater on for the first time and you're about to have a hot mug of tea and read your book. It just feel, watching it feels like that and it looks like that.

• 36:40Sean Fennessey?

  Husband's about to be hit by a truck.

• 36:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure. This is said by an LA kid also. So like, what do you know about all?

• 36:46Speaker 05

  Exactly. I'm even more impoverished, wanting and needing it.

• 36:51Sean Fennessey?

  You yearned for that thing that you could not get. As we sit here on September 14th in 85 degree heat.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  As you guys know, you've lived here long enough, it will come in January. So that's when winter starts.

• 37:00Sean Fennessey?

  Late November, the best time in Los Angeles, in my opinion.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  But the other thing about this movie, and again, it's a little clumsy, but I feel like the metaphor, which this is important, because I think when we talk about the sequel, it's like, you ruined it. But like, the metaphor of the curse, which preclude, which supposedly precludes these women in this bloodline from having love and maintaining it, is really like a metaphor about that you, to have love, you risk pain. And you cannot avoid risking vulnerability and pain just because it might be taken away from you. And in the first movie, it's actually quite unclear if the curse is even real. That's the whole point, you know, like, it's like that you, you have to put your heart on the line. And it's kind

• 37:46Speaker 05

  of a beautiful, again, it's simple, but it's like, it's a lovely thing. And also then what helps you when you do feel that pain? Community, sisterhood, like literal, like women coming together to like-

• 37:58Amanda Dobbins?

  For midnight margaritas.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  For midnight margaritas and like a broom circle or whatever. And it's, it's pretty beautiful, you know, like, and then I don't know what happened.

• 38:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you big into witch stuff?

• 38:08Speaker 05

  Yes, I love it. Oh my God. I do herbalism.

• 38:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 38:11Speaker 05

  Love to cast a spell here and there, believe in manifestation.

• 38:13Amanda Dobbins?

  This is the other half of your California coming out, where I don't, I don't have the woo woo of it all.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  That's okay.

• 38:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I rewatched the first one. I had definitely seen it at some point on VHS, like a, you know, sleepover type thing, but didn't stay with me. And again, I'm not a witch person. I found the first one very hard to follow from a plot point, which I-

• 38:33Speaker 05

  I told you, I would explain that to you.

• 38:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. But when you were, Yasi and I saw Practical Magic 2 together. We went to lunch. Then we went to a 1 PM Friday afternoon screening. It was, it was a beautiful afternoon of sisterhood.

• 38:45Speaker 05

  Celebration of sisterhood.

• 38:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, exactly. Um, but you-

• 38:48Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I didn't get a call.

• 38:50Speaker 05

  It was women with a Y only.

• 38:52Sean Fennessey?

  I did already have tickets. I saw this with my wife.

• 38:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But you said that it made a lot of sense.

• 38:58Speaker 05

  It does.

• 38:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't really understand what's going on. There are some generational.

• 39:04Sean Fennessey?

  The original film.

• 39:05Amanda Dobbins?

  The original film. There are lots of different generations and we're doing some time shifting.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  So Maria Owens is the ancestor. Was spurned by the man who impregnated her.

• 39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 05

  And thus she attempted to cast a spell that binds her entire bloodline from ever, you know, having the fate that she had because these men will die. Who knows? Again, who knows if it works?

• 39:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 39:28Speaker 05

  There are, yeah, there's a few holes. Like, why are they still named Owens? Who knows? Do they have any boy children? We don't know. That's not important.

• 39:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Well.

• 39:35Sean Fennessey?

  Wait till, wait till the plot holes of Practical Magic 2 come in.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  What's important is that the star power and charisma of Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock in 1998 is unmatched.

• 39:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:47Speaker 05

  You, that's like, that's what I wanted to talk to you guys about because I was like, you couldn't even make this movie now because who would be in it? I don't, I don't know who's a movie star anymore. That they're like 31 years old.

• 39:58Sean Fennessey?

  You could.

• 39:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:59Sean Fennessey?

  You could. It would be Saoirse Ronan and Florence Pugh, and I think they'd do great.

• 40:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Those are the two names that I gave her.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Would they do it? Because that's not a movie.

• 40:07Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I mean, I think, I think it's the kind of movie I would like to see them make. This is based on a novel, Griffin Duner directed the original.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  My king.

• 40:15Sean Fennessey?

  And, you know, having not seen the movie before, I was a little bit bewildered by it. But I also understood exactly what you just said, which is like, this is a girl's sleepover movie. And that's a total, that's a genre of film, right? And it's like, it's very important. It's like Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants is another one of those movies. Like, you saw when you were 13, you watched it with your girlfriends, you had a great time, and it doesn't really matter if it's like True Beverly Hills. It doesn't matter if the movie's like, good. Boys have movies like this, too.

• 40:38Speaker 05

  But it is, it's silly, but it is still funny. It's charming.

• 40:42Sean Fennessey?

  And it can be meaningful, too.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  And yeah, and it's more, it's, it's not Practical Magic 2.

• 40:50Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 40:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:50Sean Fennessey?

  No. And I understood the appeal of the first movie. I watched it with Eileen at home. And I was like, I see at 44. This is maybe not exactly aimed at me, but who doesn't like Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, obviously?

• 41:06Speaker 05

  Aiden Quinn, honey?

• 41:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:08Sean Fennessey?

  Aiden Quinn, Quinn is fine.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  Hot.

• 41:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, he's not, he's not doing that much.

• 41:12Sean Fennessey?

  Gorn Weisnich is fine. Diane Weis and Stoker Channing, love them. They're great. Perfect.

• 41:17Speaker 05

  Young Evan Rachel Wood.

• 41:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Not, not returning in this film. We'll talk about that momentarily. I think it's an interesting artifact of its time. There are a great many 90s movies like this that we talk about on the show all the time. I don't, I can't think of a single time this movie's ever come up in almost 10 years on this show.

• 41:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because it's not one of my movies. And the other thing that you pointed out, like, is that it starts your quote unquote spooky season and your fall season.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  And you don't like spooky stuff.

• 41:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you know, if I'm, if I'm observing that, it's by watching Gilmore Girls, you know, which is.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  Timmy, it's the same. You've nailed it. It's kind of the same feeling as Gilmore Girls, except with a supernatural element.

• 41:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. And I think it's like, Gilmore Girls started right around the same time. But, you know, fall, leaves, tea, like.

• 42:02Sean Fennessey?

  New England quality.

• 42:02Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Fablet's weather.

• 42:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Women, you know, and that's, that's about a mother and a daughter. But, so, but it's kind of, it's like girl spooky season, essentially. And your spooky season goes in a different direction.

• 42:13Sean Fennessey?

  I want inter ears being ripped out, finally.

• 42:14Speaker 05

  What hocus pocus is in this genre? Even like, A Better Movie, and I love it, but Witches of Eastwick, you know, there's, there's a whole, there's a canon.

• 42:22Sean Fennessey?

  I thought about an hour into this movie, I literally turned Eileen and I was like, we have Witches of Eastwick at home. Like, I, you know, that's a much more interesting spin on the story.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  It's more serious. Yeah, it's a more serious movie.

• 42:34Sean Fennessey?

  But, you know, obviously the movie is beloved, and much like Something Like the Devil Wears Prada, ripe for revival, right? A movie that people have a lot, a huge relationship to. Or is it?

• 42:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Or is it?

• 42:46Speaker 05

  And I think they could have done it better.

• 42:49Sean Fennessey?

  Well, so this movie was, was a cult favorite because it was not a box office success, but it was clearly a blockbuster home run, and people had been renting this movie for years and years, watching it on cable. And so they revive it. And it is based, again, on another novel by Alice Hoffman. So it's not as though they just rendered it from her cloth.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  However, the other novel by Alice Hoffman was written way after the film.

• 43:15Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 43:15Speaker 05

  Success.

• 43:15Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 43:17Speaker 05

  And you get this, yes, but you get the sense that that story was finished.

• 43:21Sean Fennessey?

  Right. The completion of the book and the novel was supposed to be the end of something.

• 43:24Speaker 05

  And then you sort of like, were like, but what if this thing?

• 43:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Much like The Devil Wears Prada, too.

• 43:28Speaker 05

  Right.

• 43:29Sean Fennessey?

  So this new film, Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman are back, Diane Weis and Stoker Channing are back. Joining the cast as Sandra Bullock's characters' daughters are Joey King and Maisie Williams. Lee Pace is here, and, and Shalamar Duania from Blue Beetle is here.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  Oh, right.

• 43:47Sean Fennessey?

  And in this movie, right off the bat, we learn that Sally has been widowed again. I guess Aiden Quinn's character has died at the beginning of this movie.

• 43:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Because of the curse.

• 43:56Sean Fennessey?

  Because of the curse. How long did he have? I didn't clock the, the dates.

• 43:59Speaker 05

  The kids were the same age. It was, it looked like it was like a year or something.

• 44:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 44:04Speaker 05

  Right?

• 44:04Sean Fennessey?

  So because of this death, she hides her magical past from her daughters, who then grow up to become.

• 44:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. They make us.

• 44:11Sean Fennessey?

  A college student and a doctor.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  A med student?

• 44:13Sean Fennessey?

  A med student, okay.

• 44:16Amanda Dobbins?

  No, she's, yeah, she's like a resident, and then Joey King is just a.

• 44:21Sean Fennessey?

  Is in college.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  That also didn't totally make sense to me because Joey King's character is older than Maisie Williams.

• 44:26Sean Fennessey?

  Hold on, hold on, we have to get into all that. This is actually very important to me. For an hour in the movie, I was like, what is happening? How does this make sense? So, obviously, Sandra Bullock's character Sally is shielding her kids from this news, this, this information that they're witches, and that they have this power, and that they're subject to this curse. Eventually, of course, Joey King's character has a boyfriend, and she falls in love. That leads to him being imperiled. After he's imperiled, she has to go save him, which leads to the sisters going off to try to save her.

• 44:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:57Sean Fennessey?

  Magic starts happening. Practical Magic 2, sort of. There's a nefarious fellow, as there was in the first film, who wants their powers. And then we learn a little bit more about the family curse. Practical Magic devotee, what did you think?

• 45:12Speaker 05

  I went in with such an open heart. My heart was wide open. I was like, I'm ready to love this. I had a beautiful lunch with Amanda. I was like, got cozy in my seat. And I tried. I was like, I was like, you know, one punch landed, another punch landed. I was like, no, no, keep, keep your heart open. And then at some point, I finally turned to Amanda, and I was like, was this written by AI? And unfortunately, some of the dialogue is so bad, and so wooden, and so not funny. I just, and again, then we can get into, you know, Amanda's science corner of why none of these plot points make sense. Also, you're just.

• 45:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know whether science is really applicable here.

• 45:58Sean Fennessey?

  Really crying, chronology in time.

• 46:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Logic. Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  But I'm like.

• 46:01Amanda Dobbins?

  And the great, you know, the mystic, the mystic.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  It's the same story, but no one's had any character growth. Nicole Kidman's character, Gillian, is just relegated to being like an appendage.

• 46:11Sean Fennessey?

  She is a sidekick, very much.

• 46:13Amanda Dobbins?

  She's the manic pixie dream girl.

• 46:14Speaker 05

  We don't learn anything about what she's been doing for the.

• 46:16Sean Fennessey?

  She's really more centered in the original film. Even though Sandra Bullock's character gets that kind of romantic storyline in the first film, it really feels like Nicole Kidman's like driving the action.

• 46:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, she drives the, they're both kind of equally have like these concurrent plot lines. Like, but here, she's just there to be like drunk and silly, and you, you get no information about what she's been doing for the past decade or so, except like hoeing, apparently. And.

• 46:39Sean Fennessey?

  Which, you know, that's okay.

• 46:40Amanda Dobbins?

  She's living out loud.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'm not.

• 46:43Sean Fennessey?

  She can commit, because of the curse.

• 46:44Speaker 05

  I'm not sex negative. That's fine. Go off, sis. But Maisie Williams' character, she's on screen for four minutes. I don't even know why she was in the film. I, I'm just, I was like kind of flabbergasted. Also, it felt like it was four hours long. I don't, I'm not trying to be negative about it because I really wanted to love it. Sandra Bullock is still so charming and lovely, and I like, was like, you're, you're holding this movie on your back.

• 47:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And also sort of wasted. Can we just enter into the record that you did start crying at the end?

• 47:10Speaker 05

  I am an emotionally.

• 47:11Sean Fennessey?

  Eileen cried three times, just for the record.

• 47:12Speaker 05

  I did cry. I actually cried maybe one other time. Okay, a, a bad thing can still move me. I'm still, I'm still, my heart is open and I'm sensitive.

• 47:20Sean Fennessey?

  That's me in Masters of the Universe.

• 47:22Speaker 05

  And not to spoiler, can we spoil yet?

• 47:24Sean Fennessey?

  Not yet.

• 47:25Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 47:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:25Speaker 05

  Well, I'll say why I cried.

• 47:27Sean Fennessey?

  Not that I'm, I'm not sure there's anybody listening who's like, I really need to be shielded from Practical Magic 2 spoilers, but nevertheless.

• 47:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:33Sean Fennessey?

  What did you think?

• 47:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I felt nothing. And I think I got some to do lists done. I learned.

• 47:38Speaker 05

  Did you nap?

• 47:40Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I did turn to you three minutes in, because I was still a little bit jet lagged, and I was like, this could be real dangerous. And we were at a theater with the reclining seats, and I was like, you know, you might have to explain, but I didn't. I stayed awake. I, I would say that the absurd music cues kept me engaged.

• 47:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 47:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I, listen, the, well, it wasn't quite a Grey's Anatomy style cover of And So It Goes, because it wasn't breathy. It was more like a kind of.

• 48:07Speaker 05

  Is that the one that made me laugh?

• 48:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Cabaret singer. Yeah, but.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  No, it was, it was the Fade Into Me cover that made me laugh. I like guffawed.

• 48:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:13Sean Fennessey?

  That's bizarre.

• 48:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It was incredible.

• 48:16Sean Fennessey?

  Bizarre.

• 48:17Amanda Dobbins?

  But like the Torch Song version of And So It Goes was quite amusing.

• 48:24Speaker 05

  Quite expensive music, to be honest.

• 48:26Sean Fennessey?

  We had some Olivia Rodrigo, right?

• 48:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 48:29Sean Fennessey?

  We had Wayne Sly by Fleetwood Mac.

• 48:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yeah, that's when I turned to Yasi for my classic. I did the music.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  I just feel like they could have spent that budget on a better writer.

• 48:38Sean Fennessey?

  Well, three people worked on this film, including Akiva Schaefer.

• 48:41Speaker 05

  An original.

• 48:43Sean Fennessey?

  Goldman, excuse me, yeah, very accomplished writer.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  I like to believe that he was overridden, because I believe in him.

• 48:48Sean Fennessey?

  My instinct is that Kelly Marcel is responsible for the final version of the screenplay. Kelly Marcel, best friend of Tom Hardy.

• 48:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course.

• 48:58Sean Fennessey?

  Author of, co-author of The Venom screenplay.

• 49:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Sean Fennessey?

  She also wrote Saving Mr. Banks.

• 49:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the Tom Hanks film.

• 49:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's Gans.

• 49:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 49:10Sean Fennessey?

  This is one of the worst movies of the year. I don't, you know, I thought it was horrible.

• 49:14Speaker 05

  It's really hard for me. You guys, this is really painful for me.

• 49:17Amanda Dobbins?

  It was not good.

• 49:19Sean Fennessey?

  And I realize I'm not the, I'm not the prime directive here for this film.

• 49:22Speaker 05

  I am, though, and I stole.

• 49:23Sean Fennessey?

  And it was a difficult conversation with Eileen afterwards, because she clearly was moved.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  I was moved.

• 49:28Sean Fennessey?

  If the movie is two hours and 10 minutes, it felt like it was nine hours.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  It's four hours, it's four hours long.

• 49:32Amanda Dobbins?

  So here's the thing, I don't disagree with you, the ways that...

• 49:37Sean Fennessey?

  It's harmless, right? So that's okay, it's harmless.

• 49:39Amanda Dobbins?

  And the ways in which it's bad are not interesting, but they are more to my interests than other bad movies we've seen this year. Like Supergirl is one of the worst movies of the year, but I was like...

• 49:52Sean Fennessey?

  I put them right neck and neck, from the same studio.

• 49:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't care about any of this. And like, you know, and I don't want to be looking at these things. I spent a lot of time marveling at, you know, the various post-production choices in this movie. That's a polite way of putting it.

• 50:05Speaker 05

  Take away the plot that is crazy.

• 50:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Everybody's got something different.

• 50:09Speaker 05

  They erased all of the warmth and charm of the visual of the first one. You couldn't even make it...

• 50:15Sean Fennessey?

  How would you describe that?

• 50:17Speaker 05

  Well, the house they made of CGI, I guess...

• 50:20Amanda Dobbins?

  No, they didn't. They rebuilt it, again.

• 50:22Speaker 05

  They somehow made it look like CGI.

• 50:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, you know...

• 50:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And I'm sure that the cinematography and the...

• 50:27Sean Fennessey?

  This is the tale of all this time.

• 50:29Speaker 05

  Life was insane.

• 50:30Sean Fennessey?

  These are two huge stars in their early 60s.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:35Sean Fennessey?

  And the way that historically actresses are lit and shot when they're into this phase, and I will say this, Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock are beautiful.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  Gorgeous.

• 50:43Sean Fennessey?

  And they look extraordinary for their age, but they look extraordinary for any age.

• 50:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 50:48Sean Fennessey?

  But there's some real, like, Elizabeth Taylor in the 1970s stuff going on, where it's like Vaseline on the lens, where you're like, what am I, am I looking at a cloud? Like, the visual dynamics of the movie are horrible for that reason, I think.

• 51:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, and inconsistent.

• 51:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, it changes every time, right?

• 51:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly, and you can tell depending on, like, the scene or what they're applying in post. By the way, I just want to say, like, let's keep looking into those filters for me, you know? Like, I'm not above it.

• 51:10Speaker 05

  Jack slapped that Vaseline all over the lens for me, I'm fine with it.

• 51:13Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, that actually was something that I spent a lot of time, and I was intellectually engaged with it in the way that I'm not intellectually engaged with, like, the backstory of Lobo, or whatever his name is, you know? So that doesn't make it good. In fact, it is quite bad, but I was just kind of like, oh, okay, now I'm going to spend some time thinking about this. The production designer is Tom Burton, but I misread it and thought it was Tim Burton. For like, I was having a stroke.

• 51:39Sean Fennessey?

  That'd be a weird job for him to do.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  It would have looked way better.

• 51:42Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, but so then, you know, I was kind of like Googling under my, you know, bag, trying to clarify the situation. That's how I found out. There was an Architectural Digest feature where they did rebuild the set.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  But in England.

• 51:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, then, yes, yeah.

• 51:57Speaker 05

  Not in would-be Ireland.

• 51:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yasi and I were also talking about, because the first Practical Magic, they built the house and then tore it down. And we were kind of wondering about, so when you build an entire house but just for a movie, like, do you have to build it to code? Or is it, you know, or do you have to then tear it down afterwards because it doesn't have, like, the right safety and plumbing and all this sort of thing?

• 52:21Sean Fennessey?

  If you're working in there, it needs to be a code.

• 52:23Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's just a living house?

• 52:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Then why, why build it down? Why turn it, you know, tear it down?

• 52:30Sean Fennessey?

  So they tore it down after they shot in Practical Magic 2?

• 52:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, they tore it down after they...

• 52:35Speaker 05

  This is what we've heard. I don't know if it's 100% true.

• 52:38Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not sure.

• 52:39Speaker 05

  It's not really that important to me.

• 52:40Sean Fennessey?

  You know this film?

• 52:41Amanda Dobbins?

  But these are the things I'm thinking about while watching this bad movie.

• 52:45Speaker 05

  Well, what I was thinking about was the casting.

• 52:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure, yeah, listen.

• 52:51Speaker 05

  Well, I don't have anything against Joey King and Antonio Williams.

• 52:54Sean Fennessey?

  Maisy Williams.

• 52:55Speaker 05

  Maisy Williams, sorry. Her name, her thing was, her name, character name is Antonio, apologies. But I was like, okay, again, I was just thinking, like, the star power of, like, you could have maybe tried to match that a bit, and they're lovely, they're, you know, cute girls, they're good actresses, but I was like, oh, it would have been nice if it was just a little, something a little more...

• 53:18Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, the movie is a little low-rent, you know? It's not, it's just not really, it doesn't, it seems like a very cozy movie star vehicle for two, two big stars who are reviving an older product. I mean, Suzanne Beer is the director, you know, Danish filmmaker, who's made a lot of really well-liked movies over the years, has not made a ton of Hollywood movies, but she did direct Bird Box, and I...

• 53:43Speaker 05

  Is that the, is that what the...

• 53:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, and then obviously a huge, huge hit in 2018 for Sandra Bullock on Netflix, but not a good movie at all. And so obviously, there's some trust there for Sandra Bullock bringing her in on this movie, but...

• 53:58Speaker 05

  I just, I think...

• 53:59Sean Fennessey?

  Hold, hold, this is important. I need, I need you guys to help me understand this. And if you want to just hand-wave it and say it's not a big deal, that's okay. But, you know, in the original film, which was made in 1998, Evan Rachel Wood and the other young actress are 10, 11, 12, the daughters?

• 54:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Yasi was dramatically whispering about this throughout the film, so keep going.

• 54:20Sean Fennessey?

  So that film came out 28 years ago.

• 54:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:22Sean Fennessey?

  And, and the daughters in this film are 20 and 24, maybe?

• 54:27Speaker 05

  I think presumably the story is, was written...

• 54:30Sean Fennessey?

  So did this movie take place in 2007?

• 54:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, because that's when the book was written.

• 54:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're also, they don't really have smart, no, they do have smart phones.

• 54:36Sean Fennessey?

  They don't tell us that, right?

• 54:37Amanda Dobbins?

  They do, right? Because they're FaceTiming.

• 54:39Speaker 05

  Yes, that's right.

• 54:39Amanda Dobbins?

  They're FaceTiming from the guy in the coma.

• 54:42Speaker 05

  No, I think we're just supposed, we're just supposed to, we're just supposed to...

• 54:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Something that one of Nicole, I brought Kidman's eyebrows, did.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  I don't know how to, just the one eyebrow.

• 54:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Just the one.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  Just the one. I don't, I don't know how to, I just say this delicately, but I believe that we, that the characters of the sisters are meant to be 20 years younger than their age.

• 55:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Then...

• 55:00Sean Fennessey?

  Which is, I think I can, I can accept intellectually, but is so distracting in the first 30 minutes of a movie, if you've just watched the original. Because you're like, I know how long ago this movie was made.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  But also, it's, it would have been, I guess, like, what difference would it have made if the daughters were in their 30s?

• 55:17Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think any difference.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  Maybe they fell in love for the first time in their 30s.

• 55:20Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I was expecting to see Evan Rachel Wood.

• 55:22Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, she wasn't asked.

• 55:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, so I heard. But I'm like, Evan Rachel Wood is a talented actress, and she was in the original.

• 55:28Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, I guess, the generous thing to say is that it's, it's hard, these parts are nothing parts, and so, and you have to be still supporting to...

• 55:38Sean Fennessey?

  But Joey King is quite famous. She's a very successful actor.

• 55:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 55:41Speaker 05

  The ungenerous thing to say is that the younger, the actresses are the younger, every actress seems.

• 55:48Sean Fennessey?

  I get it.

• 55:49Speaker 05

  And that's what we're going for.

• 55:50Sean Fennessey?

  And of course, they are entitled to make whatever movie they want. I just found it distracting. I was literally confused by it.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  I really feel, I would have, I would have swallowed anything if the writing was better.

• 56:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's, that's a good point.

• 56:02Speaker 05

  The charm of the first one is that Sandra Bullock is so funny, and Nicole Kidman is so funny, and they have these, they had pretty good dialogue. Like, again, it's, it's not Citizen Game, but it, the jokes land, they're funny, you know? This, there was like, did you notice this, that there was like so much stuttering that was played as comedy? It was just Sandra Bullock stuttering?

• 56:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 56:25Speaker 05

  And I was like, is this funny? I don't, you know, and she did her best. She's funny. I love her. I would, I would lay down my life for Sandra Bullock, one of, one of my favorite actresses of all time. And I was just like, you deserved it better.

• 56:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, yeah, she doesn't have any comedy. There's, there's not a lot of comedy in this movie, is the problem.

• 56:43Speaker 05

  They try.

• 56:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, but even, you know, it's, it's fairly grim. It's like, the boyfriend is in a coma, and everybody's died, and we have to, you know, fly across the country to, across the world to undo some spells.

• 56:58Speaker 05

  Lee Pace?

• 57:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Hot, amazing. What movie are you in? We're in a different movie.

• 57:05Sean Fennessey?

  What movie was he in?

• 57:06Speaker 05

  I don't know. I've, I've, he was good, but it was just, see, I was like, I don't know what's.

• 57:10Sean Fennessey?

  He's meant to be some candy for you guys.

• 57:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. For the, for the customer. So they only give, they only give you quite literally half a second of Lee Pace doing Lime and the Coconut.

• 57:20Speaker 05

  It's true. We wanted more.

• 57:21Amanda Dobbins?

  And he does a little shimmy and they caught away. And I was like, what is happening? I sat through two hours and eight minutes of this film and you're just giving me, you don't even get the, the hips don't go to both sides. You only get one half of the hip shimmy.

• 57:34Sean Fennessey?

  He's a good dancer, too.

• 57:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Able to, electric, the whole movie came to life.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  Release the director's cut of Lee Pace doing the entire Lime and the Coconut hip shimmy.

• 57:43Speaker 05

  I thought the guy that played the, the bad guy was actually quite good. I gotta say.

• 57:49Amanda Dobbins?

  He did, yeah.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  He, you know what? He had, he had a little to work with and he gave, he put his whole ass into it and I thought it was good.

• 57:55Sean Fennessey?

  I would say I struggled with his motivation.

• 57:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure.

• 57:59Sean Fennessey?

  Not totally sure what he was trying to accomplish. Like I got it, but I don't think I got it.

• 58:03Amanda Dobbins?

  He wanted magic back. But so then this is the other thing. And this is a note that I have for both Practical Magic and Practical Magic Two.

• 58:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:11Sean Fennessey?

  That actor's name is Sully MacLeod, by the way.

• 58:13Speaker 05

  That's the most British name of all time.

• 58:15Amanda Dobbins?

  They, there's no magic. No one is, no one's doing any magic.

• 58:19Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, there's a, there's a gross CGI third act mess at the end, which is very similar to all Marvel movies where I was like, really, guys? This is what you did with this?

• 58:29Speaker 05

  You know, they removed the, the demon from Lee Pace when they first come.

• 58:33Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, they're not, first of all, there is no practical magic. That like, you don't see them living their life, like doing fun magic things in order to just make life seem better because they're, you know, it's, it's beautiful, but also they have magic. Like they still use a blender for margaritas. Oh, can we talk about the product placement in this? Okay. So

• 58:52Speaker 05

  There was so much product placement.

• 58:53Amanda Dobbins?

  The ninja vibe. Yeah. So

• 58:56Speaker 05

  This is a great product, honestly.

• 58:58Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 58:59Amanda Dobbins?

  We'll take your word for it.

• 59:00Speaker 05

  Margaritas and stuff.

• 59:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:01Speaker 05

  Which they didn't use.

• 59:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, American Airlines prominently featured as the airline that gets them from wherever they are to.

• 59:07Sean Fennessey?

  Not shot in an airport, very clearly shot in like a janitor's closet with a, with one sign that just had American Airlines on it.

• 59:13Amanda Dobbins?

  And there was one more. What was it? Where we were just laughing and elbowing each other.

• 59:17Speaker 05

  Or something or like a food?

• 59:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I can't, I can't totally remember.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  Here's the thing, you have to find your movie. I don't begrudge you. Again, Oasis movie? I've never seen so much Adidas in my life. All good.

• 59:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 59:29Sean Fennessey?

  I, I accept that in, in most mainstream studio movies.

• 59:33Amanda Dobbins?

  But also I just, why do you need a blender to make a margarita if you're a witch?

• 59:38Speaker 05

  Well, they, they did it with their hands.

• 59:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure, but they're just like, all they're doing is turning it on. Why can't they?

• 59:44Sean Fennessey?

  Explain it to us.

• 59:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I think that you should be able to just mix it with, I think you should, your magic should include the blade. As a witch. Like otherwise what's the point of being a witch?

• 59:56Speaker 05

  You know?

• 59:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then it's like shaken.

• 59:58Speaker 05

  There wasn't, there wasn't a huge blender product that you could buy at the theater that was for a soda. And I was almost tempted at, at the AMC.

• 1:00:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that was the water bottle?

• 1:00:09Sean Fennessey?

  How do you take your margarita?

• 1:00:11Speaker 05

  Um, I like a spicy with a salt rim.

• 1:00:14Sean Fennessey?

  And classic, or be like some mango, maybe some blood orange, strawberry?

• 1:00:19Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:00:19Sean Fennessey?

  No, what about you?

• 1:00:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, on the rocks at Home State at 4:00 PM on a weekend.

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  Very nice.

• 1:00:24Sean Fennessey?

  Not, not, not, not blended, not ice.

• 1:00:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I don't like a frozen. I mean, it's fine, but it's sort of like the head rush to, the intended head rush versus the frozen head rush ratio is off in a frozen margarita, I mean.

• 1:00:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

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• 1:02:13Sean Fennessey?

  Well, this has been instructive. Uh, this movie was tabbed to be one of the big hits of the fall.

• 1:02:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Sean Fennessey?

  And it was tracking as high as $46 million on its opening weekend and it made $30 million.

• 1:02:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Sean Fennessey?

  And that's a very big disappointment. I would say not generally for a movie that only made like $40 million like 30 years ago, but based on the expectations around this movie, which continues this year-long cold streak that Warner Brothers is currently dealing with.

• 1:02:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Speaker 05

  Should they, should they hire us to consult?

• 1:02:46Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they had this amazing 2025 and now they've kind of pushed all their movies that weren't going to work into 2026 and now they're not working. Now Digger comes out in two weeks.

• 1:02:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:54Sean Fennessey?

  And then we get Dune. So

• 1:02:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you know anyone who's seen that?

• 1:02:58Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Digger? No.

• 1:02:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I spoke to one person at Telluride who knew one person.

• 1:03:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, great. Okay.

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  Any word of mouth from that?

• 1:03:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they said it was great. It means absolutely nothing. Um, but that was, that was a, a frequent topic of conversation in Telluride was, do you know anyone who's seen this movie? So

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  And there was great debate over the weekend or this past week on whether or not it was a musical. And then Variety came out and confirmed that it is not a musical.

• 1:03:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, though as people online said, they would say that.

• 1:03:26Sean Fennessey?

  Guillermo del Toro also said it was not a musical and he is close friends with Iñárritu.

• 1:03:29Speaker 05

  What's a better case scenario if it is or isn't?

• 1:03:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I really don't know at this point.

• 1:03:34Sean Fennessey?

  If it's a musical, that's an absolute torpedo to your life. That's the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

• 1:03:38Amanda Dobbins?

  But maybe it's so

• 1:03:39Sean Fennessey?

  I would be into it.

• 1:03:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe it's so bad that it is actually what saves it.

• 1:03:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be a musical.

• 1:03:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I don't think so either.

• 1:03:44Sean Fennessey?

  That's not, that's not my impression. Um, you, are you excited about Digger?

• 1:03:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  I like that kind of thing.

• 1:03:50Sean Fennessey?

  How would you describe that kind of thing?

• 1:03:52Amanda Dobbins?

  What is that kind of thing?

• 1:03:53Speaker 05

  Like bizarro, like insane.

• 1:03:55Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:03:56Speaker 05

  The cat, the cat stuff was amusing to me in the, in the trailer.

• 1:03:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Here's, I have, I have two theories on the Practical Magic Two, underperforming, quote unquote. Okay. Number one is I think that it's, you know, it was a cult classic in its time and it means a lot to Yasi, but it's not on the Devil Wears Prada Two level of popularity. So just like the built in nostalgia audience.

• 1:04:16Sean Fennessey?

  Devil Wears Prada was a huge hit when it came out.

• 1:04:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. And it has become a, and it's like a four quadrant, you know, everybody loves it. Um, and then number two is a little bit of the, the Matt Bellany theory of the, the press tour taking over the box office receipts where Nicole and Sandra were everywhere and it was a delight and it was all over my Instagram. And I think it was this, the target audience of this movie was Instagram moms. I mean, let's see, the trailers were the Cat in the Hat, Hext, the M. Night Shyamalan, Nicholas Sparks movie.

• 1:04:47Speaker 05

  I leaned over to him and I was like, why are there so many children's movies being advertised? He was like, because moms come to see this.

• 1:04:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And then a commercial for Hermes lipstick. So, you know, it, but I do think that all the people that they hoped would go see this movie just watched Sandra and Nicole being completely delightful for the past two or three weeks.

• 1:05:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And we're like, okay, I'll catch it on streaming like I did the original. So.

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  Also, I think it came out too early. Not that it was

• 1:05:12Sean Fennessey?

  I have a lot of thoughts about this.

• 1:05:13Speaker 05

  But I do feel like, I mean, it's, it's an October film.

• 1:05:17Sean Fennessey?

  You're right. However, this Friday's Resident Evil comes out, which I think is the most anticipated horror movie of the year. And it's going to be September 18th and I think it's right on time. I think it's going to run shit for two or three weeks.

• 1:05:29Speaker 05

  But they're trading, Practical Magic is trading on your nostalgia and love for Gilmore Girls Fall type situations.

• 1:05:35Sean Fennessey?

  Over in LA though.

• 1:05:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Also moms, but moms are dealing with back to school, you know, like we just can't really.

• 1:05:43Sean Fennessey?

  What does that mean?

• 1:05:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. It's, it's a little too early. We're still getting back in the groove of things. I feel like slightly.

• 1:05:48Sean Fennessey?

  Time, you know?

• 1:05:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure, professionally.

• 1:05:50Speaker 05

  I am a single mother of two, of two animals and I did make it work, you guys.

• 1:05:54Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly.

• 1:05:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 1:05:55Sean Fennessey?

  I was with, I was with many moms over the weekend at a school event and, and. I would say in a group of seven women, six of them had seen this movie. So it did reach its intended audience. I think maybe is its intended audience not as big as they had hoped it would be?

• 1:06:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Eileen is the only other mom I know that has seen this movie.

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  I'm really sorry for the pink pussy hat to come right onto my head right now, but do you think that it's at all possible that they just do not try as hard when they're making films for women?

• 1:06:23Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, I think the, I think men get a movie like this every week. There's like tons of junky revived reboot stuff that comes out all the time for men.

• 1:06:32Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and some of it is that they just-

• 1:06:34Sean Fennessey?

  I just said Masters of the Universe. You know what I mean? Like we do, we do this all the time.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  Oh my God, I'm so excited for Street Fighter. The trailer like knocked my socks off.

• 1:06:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's great.

• 1:06:43Speaker 05

  I was sitting, it's so arduous. Sitting with Bree and she's younger and I was like, Guile. I was like Honda, y'all Honda. And she was like, how do you know every, because I was like, I've played this every day of my life.

• 1:06:53Sean Fennessey?

  Do you know that, you know, the ritual of naming some dudes? Are you familiar with that idea where like guys will just sit around in a basement just naming old baseball players as a way to feel connected without actually talking about their feelings?

• 1:07:02Amanda Dobbins?

  With the Cincinnati Reds on this podcast.

• 1:07:04Sean Fennessey?

  Chris and I do it all the time. Um, it's the most naming some dudes of video game trailers where it's just like, they're just showing you everything you remember specifically about the game and being like, don't you want this? Don't you want to have this exact experience? Don't you want to hear the Sonic cue from the game?

• 1:07:18Speaker 05

  Zenji? I was like, oh, let's go.

• 1:07:21Sean Fennessey?

  They're all seen, they're all, they're all there.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  Sorry, that was a diversion, digression.

• 1:07:26Sean Fennessey?

  That movie I think is operating in a similar fashion to this movie, which is hoping that if they jingle the keys of your youthful indiscretion. Hey, Oasis, Don't Look Back in Anger Did It 2. This all feeds back into my theory about millennials in power. That it's like, we waited a long ass time and there's enough decision makers in their 40s who are like, you know what matters? My childhood.

• 1:07:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Sean Fennessey?

  And that's what a lot of this stuff is pushing towards. It's a lot of it like, you know what I remember? 1998. How can I get 1998 on screen right now?

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  Did they remake The Craft?

• 1:07:57Sean Fennessey?

  They did remake The Craft, not very successfully.

• 1:07:59Speaker 05

  Missed that one.

• 1:08:00Sean Fennessey?

  Another, another fall classic.

• 1:08:02Speaker 05

  Can I just say one last thing about Oasis? Cause I feel remiss that I didn't mention it.

• 1:08:05Sean Fennessey?

  Of course.

• 1:08:06Speaker 05

  The one of the best and most emotional parts was the Stone Roses bit where it very cleverly showed their origins and what made them start a band. And then because Gary Maney Moonfeld, may rest in peace, died during the tour and it was so emotional, them dealing with that. And I wore my shirt and I just realized I didn't even bring it up and I would be remiss if we didn't celebrate the Stone Roses and Gary Maney Moonfeld on this podcast.

• 1:08:30Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you for sharing that.

• 1:08:31Speaker 05

  You're welcome.

• 1:08:32Sean Fennessey?

  Let's talk about Sandra Bullock.

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:08:34Sean Fennessey?

  Sandra Bullock, indisputably, one of the 20 biggest movie stars of the last 30 years.

• 1:08:40Speaker 05

  She's so good.

• 1:08:41Sean Fennessey?

  Is she one of the 10 biggest movie stars of the last 30 years? It's, it's, it's a conversation.

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:47Sean Fennessey?

  And yet, as I pondered this episode and I thought about a Hall of Fame, I found it would be really hard for us to achieve the, the goal of the Hall of Fame.

• 1:08:59Speaker 05

  Is it because so many of her films are women's interests?

• 1:09:02Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's because so many of them are not good.

• 1:09:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Sean Fennessey?

  And-

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  This is a Miss Congeniality erasure here.

• 1:09:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's, that's subjective.

• 1:09:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it's also the good ones end and Miss Congeniality is 2000. I'm, I'm looking right now and I think like-

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  The Lake House?

• 1:09:16Sean Fennessey?

  What are your favorite 21st century Sandra Bullock movies?

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  I looked at your list and I'm gonna be so, keep it so real with you. I've only seen one of these films.

• 1:09:25Sean Fennessey?

  Well, the list that I made is just films that she's made in the last 10 years. So, or the last eight years. She's made two, four, six movies. Those six movies are Ocean's Eight, Bird Box, The Unforgivable, The Lost City, Bullet Train, and now Practical Magic 2. Now, she's raising a family. She's got gobs of money. She can do whatever she wants.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  She had a partner that was very ill and that she had to care for.

• 1:09:49Sean Fennessey?

  She, I'm not trying to tell her how to live her life. She gave us Speed. She gave us while you were sleeping, you know? She gave us many movies that people really liked.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  Actually, the proposal was good.

• 1:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't care for the proposal, but many people do. It was huge.

• 1:10:04Speaker 05

  I enjoyed it. It was Ryan Reynolds when he was still like in his Ryan Reynolds bag, you know? And she is great.

• 1:10:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, Gravity is excellent.

• 1:10:14Sean Fennessey?

  Gravity and the Heat in 2013, I think is kind of like her, her second apex, right? Where she goes back to the absolute top of Hollywood. And in a way you get this sense that she was kind of like, okay, like I did it. Like I absolutely scaled the mountain. Now I want to have a little bit of my life back, which is very understandable. But it's a dodgy filmography. And so-

• 1:10:32Amanda Dobbins?

  For sure.

• 1:10:33Sean Fennessey?

  What's that?

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Two Weeks Notice was good.

• 1:10:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Two Weeks Notice is like a, is a classic.

• 1:10:37Speaker 05

  2002.

• 1:10:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Donald Trump were not a cameo at the end, then it would be like, it would be rom com Hall of Fame. Did we put it in the canon? I don't think we did.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  I don't think we did. It's really good.

• 1:10:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that was us not being honest because it's really good.

• 1:10:53Speaker 05

  Okay, sorry, I'm done with that.

• 1:10:55Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think? What do you, what do you, what do you, you said she's one of your favorites. What is it about her that you like so much?

• 1:11:00Speaker 05

  I think, I actually wanted to ask you guys, since you're so knowledgeable about working actresses and movie stars and stuff, she just has like this every woman quality, this girl next door charm, humor, but also luminous, beautiful, like oozing charisma, but you don't feel intimidated by her. She's, it's just like, she's such a package. And I, I'm like racking my brain to be like, who's a comp? Maybe Jennifer Lawrence? Cause she's also does the-

• 1:11:31Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, a contemporary comp?

• 1:11:33Speaker 05

  A contemporary comp. Basically I'm trying to be like, do they make, do they make this kind of actress anymore?

• 1:11:37Amanda Dobbins?

  She's not on the level, but the, the best part and maybe only good part of One Night Only is Monica Babaro. And she has like super, super beautiful, but in like a very winning and like sort of relatable, not threatening sort of way.

• 1:11:55Speaker 05

  I haven't seen that, so I don't, I've only seen her in the Bob Dylan movie. But she was great.

• 1:11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she's good in. So that's like the closest comp, but Monica Babaro has not, you know, I mean, she's been nominated for an Oscar. She's very good in what she's in, but not, not Sandy level yet.

• 1:12:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, although, I mean, they're somewhat similar in that they both were, I guess, like a little bit later to launch. You know, Sandra Bullock was 30 when Speed came out, which is obviously still very young, but-

• 1:12:21Speaker 05

  In Hollywood, she's a senior, so she's an AARP.

• 1:12:24Sean Fennessey?

  In many films in Hollywood, she'd been in a bunch, she was in like Demolition Man before that thing called Love, like Wrestling Ernest Hemingway. She'd been in movies before that, but it took her a little while to launch. I think Monica Babaro was like 33, 34 by the time she really got into Top Gun Maverick and, and the Bob Dylan films. So I think that's a really good comparison.

• 1:12:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Sean Fennessey?

  And yeah, they have that very similar like hot brunette, but also bring her home to mom quality that you could see.

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  She's not quite as funny though, is she? Nobody like that.

• 1:12:51Sean Fennessey?

  She's not. Sandra Bullock is really funny. She's a great comedian. She's good physical comedy. She's really good with like verbal dexterity. She has instant chemistry with almost any opposite number in any film that she's in.

• 1:13:02Speaker 05

  Lee Pace.

• 1:13:03Sean Fennessey?

  I thought they were fine.

• 1:13:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, she was going through a lot, you know? And was he trying to steal her magic or not? And he did give her custard, you know?

• 1:13:13Speaker 05

  That was sweet. He knew.

• 1:13:15Sean Fennessey?

  And she, I, I always thought she had a little bit of trouble choosing filmmakers. Like she was pretty good at choosing, you know, for example, I don't know if we can get a close up, but she-

• 1:13:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Forces of nature.

• 1:13:29Sean Fennessey?

  She went, she went opposite Keanu. She went opposite Ben Affleck. She went opposite Bradley Cooper. She went opposite Nicole Kidman. She went opposite Chris O'Donnell. Like people who were like hot at the time, you know?

• 1:13:39Speaker 05

  What happened to Chris O'Donnell?

• 1:13:41Amanda Dobbins?

  He owns Pizzana, right?

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  He does?

• 1:13:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:43Sean Fennessey?

  Chris O'Donnell owns Pizzana?

• 1:13:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he's definitely on one of the CSIs or one of the-

• 1:13:48Speaker 05

  Oh my God, good job, Chris O'Donnell. We love Pizzana.

• 1:13:51Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, yeah.

• 1:13:52Speaker 05

  He was an important figure in my youth.

• 1:13:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm pretty sure Chris O'Donnell-

• 1:13:56Speaker 05

  Sorry that I digress.

• 1:13:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Speaker 05

  You're a part of the sun's memory.

• 1:14:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. That's, that's-

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  Good job, good job, Chris O'Donnell.

• 1:14:03Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a major part of what he's up to.

• 1:14:04Speaker 05

  Okay, sorry about that.

• 1:14:05Sean Fennessey?

  I've always been very fond of Murder by Numbers, which I saw in theaters with my wife, with Ryan Gosling very early on. I believe they had a, a thing together.

• 1:14:12Speaker 05

  That was a May, May, what is, what do you call it?

• 1:14:14Sean Fennessey?

  May, December.

• 1:14:15Speaker 05

  Is that only when the man is-

• 1:14:17Amanda Dobbins?

  NCIS is what Chris O'Donnell was on, just so you know.

• 1:14:19Sean Fennessey?

  NCIS.

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  You know, I like, I watched those.

• 1:14:22Amanda Dobbins?

  The Pizzana.

• 1:14:22Sean Fennessey?

  She appears in the Academy Award winning film Crash, which we all know and love.

• 1:14:27Speaker 05

  I don't want to talk about that film. I don't recognize that film.

• 1:14:31Sean Fennessey?

  Miss Congeniality, one of the biggest hits of its time.

• 1:14:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Sean Fennessey?

  She's been in a lot of movies. I feel like movies like Hope Floats and Two If By Sea, like, these movies were just a part of my childhood.

• 1:14:41Speaker 05

  What about The Blind Side?

• 1:14:43Sean Fennessey?

  Well, she won an Academy Award for The Blind Side.

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:44Sean Fennessey?

  And she's in a Best Picture winner, which is Crash. And so, part of her legacy is a bit tarnished by the unbeloved quality of those movies, at least among movie freaks, right? Like, those are not, among cinephiles, those are not the most beloved movies. And so even though she's been in some cool stuff.

• 1:15:04Speaker 05

  Crash is garbage.

• 1:15:05Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  Crash is hot garbage.

• 1:15:06Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not gonna defend Crash here.

• 1:15:09Speaker 05

  Terrible.

• 1:15:09Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, but she was also in Gravity, you know? And Gravity didn't win Best Picture that year, but it very well could have.

• 1:15:13Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:15:14Sean Fennessey?

  And that movie is an incredible achievement that also rests, like, entirely on her shoulders, in addition to the extraordinary technology that the Quarons developed to make the movie.

• 1:15:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Great meme at the end.

• 1:15:25Sean Fennessey?

  On the beach?

• 1:15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, so just like- Me at the end of every day.

• 1:15:30Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. Uh, just a weird career. A big, huge, successful career, and she's beloved.

• 1:15:41Speaker 05

  Do you think they just, like, wouldn't let her?

• 1:15:43Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:15:44Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:15:44Sean Fennessey?

  I think she's so powerful.

• 1:15:45Speaker 05

  But be in, like, prestige films.

• 1:15:47Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:15:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Like Nicole Kidman.

• 1:15:49Speaker 05

  Really? Then how come you think she didn't do some?

• 1:15:51Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think she's, I don't think she's interested in that, which is sort of what makes this an interesting-

• 1:15:55Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:15:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:55Sean Fennessey?

  -challenge for us. Because on the one hand, you could say, movie star playbook. For Sandra Bullock, she's done it all. She's good.

• 1:16:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Sean Fennessey?

  Won Best Actress, been in a Best Picture film, she's in Speed, you know, she's in While You Were Sleeping, Two Weeks Notice, Practical Magic, all these beloved movies that are gonna live for 30, 40, 50 years. On the other hand, it's kind of a weird filmography for somebody who's so talented and powerful. And so, I found it a little bit challenging to think about it, but I, how do you think about her career at this point?

• 1:16:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I have been thinking a lot about her and this exercise that we're about to do in terms of Julia Roberts, who is a similarly beloved star from a similar generation, who in the last 10 to 15 years has not been working as much and has been, you know, spotty and has done, like, really interesting things and worked with Sam Esmeil. And Ticket to Paradise was like a moderate hit. Um, but, you know, like, long breaks. And I remember when we did do the Julia Roberts Hall of Fame, that I, I think I fought for Ben's back because I think she's quite good in that, a movie that nobody saw.

• 1:17:00Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 1:17:00Amanda Dobbins?

  But the, the last movie before that was, like, 2008, 2010, that there's like a, just a big chunk where-

• 1:17:08Sean Fennessey?

  Same thing, raising a family.

• 1:17:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. Yeah. And also, you know, you get to a certain age in Hollywood and they're just, the types of movies they make and the different-

• 1:17:15Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:17:15Amanda Dobbins?

  -types of roles. So, I think that it is a little bit, you know, Julia Roberts probably picks better directors than Sandra Bullock does.

• 1:17:25Sean Fennessey?

  I think her taste is way more interesting.

• 1:17:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it is. But, but it's also spotty. And you especially, like, you look in the 90s and some of the things she tries that just absolutely didn't work out. But-

• 1:17:36Sean Fennessey?

  I just think Ben is back, Luca and Sam is just way more interesting to me than whatever it is Sandra Bullock's been doing.

• 1:17:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Totally, totally. But, but that they're also in a, in a slightly similar spot. And, you know, to, to Yurin Yasi's conversation, it, it seems like Sandra Bullock is not really interested in doing, like, the Luca's and the, and the Sam Esmeils and more experimental stuff. She wants to be more, you know, broad, broad strokes. But I don't know if that's really serving her, given, like, the types of broad strokes movies that are being made in this day and age.

• 1:18:07Sean Fennessey?

  I, I, that was something that I thought about a little bit, which is like, her vision of her stardom is a little bit lapsed, you know? Like, the kinds of movies that, that you, she could center her in that are 50, 70, $500 million movies, maybe don't work as well as they used to, as evidenced by Practical Magic 2 kind of underperforming.

• 1:18:23Speaker 05

  They barely even make them, right? You guys talk a lot about how they don't really make romantic comedies to that scale anymore. And that was really her superpower.

• 1:18:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:30Speaker 05

  It's like, smart, well-done romantic comedies, and we just don't have those anymore.

• 1:18:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:36Speaker 05

  So-

• 1:18:37Amanda Dobbins?

  We don't spend money on them anymore.

• 1:18:38Speaker 05

  Also, she's 62.

• 1:18:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:18:40Speaker 05

  So the lead in a, in a smart, well-done romantic comedy, unless it's, you know, maybe-

• 1:18:45Amanda Dobbins?

  But you could do it. I mean, listen, like, something's gotta give.

• 1:18:48Sean Fennessey?

  I was just gonna say.

• 1:18:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, all the Nancy Meyers of it all.

• 1:18:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, or about how there's some, like, just because you're an older woman or older man doesn't mean there can't be a story. But it may end up being a $500 million blockbuster.

• 1:18:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57Sean Fennessey?

  But I think that speaks to what, maybe what kinds of movies we would wanna see her make.

• 1:19:03Speaker 05

  Cast Sandra Bullock in X-Men, you cowards.

• 1:19:06Sean Fennessey?

  Who would she be in X-Men?

• 1:19:08Speaker 05

  Oh, brother.

• 1:19:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you, you're an X-Men person? Did you, yeah, you texted me about this.

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  I grew up deeply, reading the comics and collecting the cards.

• 1:19:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe you'll have to go to X-Men school at some point?

• 1:19:17Speaker 05

  We can teach you. I can do it for you.

• 1:19:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 1:19:19Speaker 05

  I love X-Men.

• 1:19:20Sean Fennessey?

  Professor Xavier's, Charles Xavier's School for Gifted Mutants.

• 1:19:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  Amanda, I think you would actually really love it, once you think of it.

• 1:19:26Sean Fennessey?

  You're kind of a gifted mutant.

• 1:19:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:19:27Speaker 05

  It's mytho, it's myth. It's Greek myth. It's mythology and just like-

• 1:19:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I understand all of that. I liked the one with James Maxwell.

• 1:19:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's also like Saved by the Bell. It's like, it's like teens learning how to hang out with each other.

• 1:19:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I, I, I understand all of that. I just meant before the X-Men movies come out, like, maybe I, like, do boot camp and I, like, learn about the X-Men.

• 1:19:46Sean Fennessey?

  I'll give you all the Chris Claremont stuff.

• 1:19:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:19:48Sean Fennessey?

  You'll love it.

• 1:19:49Amanda Dobbins?

  But I was like, can we build an episode around it?

• 1:19:51Sean Fennessey?

  You should just watch the X-Men animated series with your son.

• 1:19:54Speaker 05

  You're really into this.

• 1:19:55Sean Fennessey?

  That is the thing. Like, the X-Men series and then X-Men 97 are legitimately great.

• 1:20:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:01Sean Fennessey?

  You know, Nina, huge fan of this, too?

• 1:20:02Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I know. Like, everyone is. I'm not, it's not that I'm above it. I just am not, like, schooled in it. That's why I'm saying-

• 1:20:08Speaker 05

  You just need to crack it. You need to get it. You need to find a way in.

• 1:20:10Amanda Dobbins?

  We have until May 2028.

• 1:20:12Sean Fennessey?

  The thing is, is like, there's a chance that they're gonna get the X-Men right with Marvel. And if they do, that's gonna be like, the center of movie culture for five years.

• 1:20:19Speaker 05

  And I'm ready.

• 1:20:20Amanda Dobbins?

  That's why I'm saying-

• 1:20:21Sean Fennessey?

  If they get it right, it's gonna be a huge thing.

• 1:20:23Speaker 05

  Well, I was just like, I was having so much nostalgia for a while. Like, I thought the first movie was really good.

• 1:20:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, when we were, the Bryan Singer movie.

• 1:20:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I like, I'm like, can we go back to that? Like, I'll be so happy. These are my friends.

• 1:20:34Sean Fennessey?

  In theory, they can do better.

• 1:20:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, they can do better. I was trying to rack my brain for who, cause she-

• 1:20:39Sean Fennessey?

  There's not an older female, as far as I can tell, character in the X-Men, which maybe says something about X-Men.

• 1:20:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Sexism, yeah.

• 1:20:44Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 1:20:44Speaker 05

  Well, it's about teenagers.

• 1:20:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 05

  That's kind of the point.

• 1:20:47Sean Fennessey?

  We already have a white queen. Tomorrow Weaving is a white queen.

• 1:20:49Amanda Dobbins?

  This weekend, I saw two adults dressed as Deadpool and Wolverine, driving around Pasadena in like, a red, like, buggy car.

• 1:20:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that was me in CR.

• 1:21:01Amanda Dobbins?

  They did wave at Knox. So, they were like, Knox is really like, hey! And they were, yeah.

• 1:21:06Speaker 05

  It was Sean and Chris in Sidecar.

• 1:21:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, what should we do with, what should we do with Sandy?

• 1:21:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:21:12Sean Fennessey?

  What do you?

• 1:21:13Speaker 05

  Like, and now we're in charge of her career?

• 1:21:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, I mean, I have a couple of prompts.

• 1:21:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:18Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:21:19Sean Fennessey?

  So, one director she should work with.

• 1:21:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Soderbergh.

• 1:21:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's exactly who I've written down.

• 1:21:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, because, and so for me, the-

• 1:21:26Speaker 05

  Lynn Ramsey.

• 1:21:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that would be good, too.

• 1:21:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it would be really good.

• 1:21:30Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's a great suggestion. Would she ever do that, I think, is a reasonable question to ask. Um, I wrote Soderbergh for an obvious reason, which is like, she was almost in a Soderbergh movie.

• 1:21:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she, that movie, Ocean's Eight, should have been directed by Steven Soderbergh.

• 1:21:42Sean Fennessey?

  Said it's Gary Ross.

• 1:21:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Except, right. Which, again, is to Yasi's point of, like, sometimes for women, they just don't try as hard. That was one where I was like, oh, I guess you, you know, you're not gonna let the real person direct it?

• 1:21:51Sean Fennessey?

  I will stand on Anne Hathaway corner in Ocean's Eight. She's amazing.

• 1:21:56Amanda Dobbins?

  She's very good. Yeah.

• 1:21:56Sean Fennessey?

  Everything else in that movie is a little-

• 1:21:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it's not Cate Blanchett and Sandy's fault.

• 1:22:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, but all of those movies, I watch them till I die. I don't care.

• 1:22:04Sean Fennessey?

  Even Eight, though?

• 1:22:04Speaker 05

  It's like Reacher.

• 1:22:05Sean Fennessey?

  Eight is kind of meh.

• 1:22:06Speaker 05

  It's fine. I like it. It tickles my fancy.

• 1:22:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I still like a heist movie. I'd like, she could make another heist movie. Make another Oceans. Have her show up in the prequel. I don't really care. But the Soderbergh, in addition to that, you know, Julia Roberts is top of mind. So, like, give her an Erin Brockovich.

• 1:22:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:22:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Or give her an Out of Sight, you know? Like, give her, he understands how to work with movie stars and bring out a different side of them.

• 1:22:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:22:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and it's like, a change-up, but also, you know, Steven Soderbergh has made a lot of broad budget, you know, broad, broadly appealing movies.

• 1:22:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And I think he could use one right now, too.

• 1:22:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:39Sean Fennessey?

  But also, he knows how to shoot movies in 25 days. Not a huge time commitment, you know? The movie can come out in six months, you know? And you can say, and she has taken some chances. Like, I don't wanna run her down too much. Like, she tried to do Our Brand is Crisis, for example, with David Gordon Green, which is based on a documentary, which I thought was a really interesting idea. And a movie that just, like, if you made it 100 times, like, it would've been better 98 times from the movie that they made. It just didn't totally click.

• 1:23:04Speaker 05

  I just, I, I want her to do something like, out of left field, like Todd Solons. You know, like, or some-

• 1:23:10Sean Fennessey?

  He can't get a movie made either right now. There's a whole story about that in The New Yorker.

• 1:23:14Speaker 05

  Alan Rickson, can you fund both my smoking cinema and also the Todd Solons Sandra Bullock film that I will, I'll write it?

• 1:23:23Sean Fennessey?

  How would Alan Rickson fit in a Todd Solons film?

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  Anyone can fit in a Todd Solons film.

• 1:23:27Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he's very good at refracting people's-

• 1:23:29Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:23:30Sean Fennessey?

  -movie star iconography.

• 1:23:31Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying. I just, I think she, I, I love the Soderbergh. I think it's great. She would be so perfect. But wouldn't it be cool, like, in the, like, third, fourth quarter of her career, to see her just do something so wildly different?

• 1:23:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I was trying to think about, this is related to what genre should she do, but I was like, what if you just dropped her into a Robert Eggers movie? Like, would that work? Like, could she pull that off, you know? Could she do a Danish accent?

• 1:23:54Speaker 05

  I think she needs to be able to still make jokes.

• 1:23:56Amanda Dobbins?

  You're not allowed to be funny in those. No, that's the thing. It's like, she, well, they are, they are, they are funny often, but I often wonder where the intention is.

• 1:24:04Sean Fennessey?

  I think Aaron Taylor Johnson was being very funny in Nosferatu. You know, like, there is, The Lighthouse is very funny.

• 1:24:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's true.

• 1:24:10Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's, it's a very pitched-up humor. You'd probably have to do an accent. She doesn't do a lot of accents, right? She's really, she's America's sweetheart. But there, and just in terms of thinking about, like, how to get her out of her comfort zone, trying something with a, a director with a really strong idea of what they're doing that doesn't just let her rely on her inherent sandiness, you know?

• 1:24:29Speaker 05

  Totally. Or like, um, oh my god.

• 1:24:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I'm going the other direction on One John Raf, which is like, again, and I'm just doing Erin Brockovich here, but like, a, like a traditional courtroom, like, legal-

• 1:24:41Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, like, be on the side of good. Basically, like-

• 1:24:44Sean Fennessey?

  Well, she was in A Time to Kill.

• 1:24:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:24:46Sean Fennessey?

  So she, she has experience in that movie, but she was kind of playing the sideline in that one.

• 1:24:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 1:24:50Sean Fennessey?

  Give her the McConaughey part.

• 1:24:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. Uh, yeah.

• 1:24:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe don't have her give that speech.

• 1:24:54Sean Fennessey?

  Now imagine they're white, you know?

• 1:24:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Ah!

• 1:24:56Sean Fennessey?

  Remember that?

• 1:24:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm?

• 1:24:58Sean Fennessey?

  Have you seen that?

• 1:24:59Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:25:00Sean Fennessey?

  What'd you think of A Time to Kill?

• 1:25:01Speaker 05

  I haven't thought of it one time since.

• 1:25:03Sean Fennessey?

  Really?

• 1:25:04Speaker 05

  Maybe, I mean-

• 1:25:04Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's pretty stirring.

• 1:25:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:06Sean Fennessey?

  Some, some issues.

• 1:25:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:25:07Speaker 05

  It's good. I like Matthew McConaughey.

• 1:25:09Sean Fennessey?

  They deserve to die, and I hope they burn in hell. Sam Jackson?

• 1:25:12Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:25:13Sean Fennessey?

  Remember Kiefer Sutherland?

• 1:25:14Speaker 05

  I do remember that movie.

• 1:25:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:16Sean Fennessey?

  Joel Schumacher, filmmaker.

• 1:25:18Speaker 05

  Are we just naming stuff now?

• 1:25:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. So what's the premise of your, your courtroom drama with Sandy?

• 1:25:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, she's gotta be exposing some sort of like, if it's not like environmental, you know, cancer-causing whatever, as in Erin Brockovich, then they were, I mean, probably that because of the different ways that the corporations, everything they get into, there's a chemical for, for everything. But, um, what are some other-

• 1:25:46Sean Fennessey?

  Who's like her-

• 1:25:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Who's she avenging?

• 1:25:48Sean Fennessey?

  Legal partner, or who's like opposing counsel, who she's like very flirty with, but they never really, you know, they have some history.

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  Will they, won't they?

• 1:25:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, um.

• 1:25:56Speaker 05

  Steve Buscemi.

• 1:25:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I was gonna, I was gonna, I mean, go for Clooney, again, bring it back, because Clooney could also use one of these, right?

• 1:26:05Sean Fennessey?

  They never really did the proper-

• 1:26:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:26:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I wrote Clooney down, too. You know, Hanks is 70, but I do feel like her and Hanks have the same kind of movie stardom, which is that they are funny and charming and seem a little normal, but also larger-than-life.

• 1:26:23Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 1:26:23Sean Fennessey?

  But can play very serious if they need to, but can play very light if they need to. He's a little bit more adventurous in terms of the kinds of parts that he's taken on in the second half of his career, but I feel like they would be funny together.

• 1:26:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I think so. But I have it for co-star, I have a different proposal.

• 1:26:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:26:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Timothy Chalamet, and we do a May-December romantic comedy. They could work. You could see them throwing heaters at each other.

• 1:26:46Sean Fennessey?

  You know who would have to direct that is, uh, Helena Rain, you know?

• 1:26:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes!

• 1:26:50Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 1:26:51Amanda Dobbins?

  But it should, but it should be funny. Like, it can be a little messed up, too, but they should be able to, I, I, I would watch it.

• 1:26:58Sean Fennessey?

  Who would you wanna see Sandy opposite?

• 1:27:05Sean Fennessey?

  This is a long pause.

• 1:27:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:06Speaker 05

  I know. Well, I'm, I'm thinking about the kind of film that I wanna see first, and then I was like, who would fit in that film? Honestly, I think like a Jennifer Lawrence. I would, I would love to see her in a film that's like a meta film about aging in Hollywood, or something, something that's like-

• 1:27:26Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:26Speaker 05

  Not quite as like the comeback, not that funny, but something that's a, like, kind of a heightened-

• 1:27:33Sean Fennessey?

  Like All About Eve.

• 1:27:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, I think, I think that could be really cool, but, but, but still funny, you know, like a comedic, but also like-

• 1:27:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But at the end, it's okay?

• 1:27:41Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:27:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:27:43Speaker 05

  It depends. Is Lynn Ramsey directing, and I'm writing it? Probably not okay at the end.

• 1:27:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:27:48Sean Fennessey?

  All About Eve remake with Sandra Bullock and Jennifer Lawrence is a lot.

• 1:27:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:54Sean Fennessey?

  That's, that's, that's a tidal wave. I don't know if you can, you can't really remake All About Eve. That's one of the most perfect movies ever made, but honestly, let him try.

• 1:28:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:03Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it's not, it's not my money.

• 1:28:05Speaker 05

  You don't have to remake it. You can come up with a new, you know, a new story.

• 1:28:08Sean Fennessey?

  A new spin, yeah, okay. That's pretty good.

• 1:28:10Speaker 05

  We have social media now. There's a lot of other layers we could add on to this.

• 1:28:15Sean Fennessey?

  One sequel she should make. So she just made a sequel and didn't really totally work. Now, this could be any sequel, it could be a sequel to any franchise, but from her films, is there one movie you think she should try to revive right now?

• 1:28:26Speaker 05

  You didn't say who you would want her to act opposite.

• 1:28:28Sean Fennessey?

  I did, Tom Hanks.

• 1:28:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, you did.

• 1:28:30Sean Fennessey?

  I also think, to your Chalamet point, there's a Glenn Powell movie maybe there, too.

• 1:28:35Speaker 05

  Or Robert Pattinson.

• 1:28:36Amanda Dobbins?

  For sure.

• 1:28:36Speaker 05

  Could be amazing.

• 1:28:37Sean Fennessey?

  He's a little kooky.

• 1:28:38Speaker 05

  Well, so is she!

• 1:28:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's true, that's true.

• 1:28:41Amanda Dobbins?

  But I like the, like, Pattinson could be doing Gosling, you know, 2000's Gosling also, which would be nice. The thing about Glenn Powell and, and Sandy is that they're both, you know, like, the, the girl and guy, guy next door, so you need one-

• 1:28:58Speaker 05

  Magnets, they'll repel each other.

• 1:28:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you need like someone weird and someone, I love, I love them both, but they kinda need to be paired with someone a little kookier, I think.

• 1:29:06Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:29:07Amanda Dobbins?

  That's just me.

• 1:29:08Speaker 05

  One sequel, okay.

• 1:29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, speaking of, Murder by Numbers.

• 1:29:11Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow. Are they in speaking terms, Ryan and Sandy?

• 1:29:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know who Ryan Gosling is speaking to right now, besides the Flintstones.

• 1:29:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, gosh, I hope that's gonna be okay. Um, I said While You Were, While You Were Sleeping, and it's about-

• 1:29:26Amanda Dobbins?

  A follow-up?

• 1:29:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's called While You Were Napping.

• 1:29:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:29:28Sean Fennessey?

  And, uh, it's about a couple of 60-somethings.

• 1:29:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, and it's also-

• 1:29:32Sean Fennessey?

  And one of them falls asleep, doesn't make up-

• 1:29:33Amanda Dobbins?

  What happens when you have a relationship based basically entirely on, uh, lies and fraud?

• 1:29:39Speaker 05

  It's Eyebrows guy?

• 1:29:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, no.

• 1:29:42Sean Fennessey?

  Peter Gallagher. No, this would be Bill Pullman, yeah. But Peter Gallagher comes back, the whole gang comes back.

• 1:29:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, and so then does she-

• 1:29:48Sean Fennessey?

  And they'll have kids, their kids are sorting stuff out, one of their kids goes into coma.

• 1:29:51Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:29:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:29:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  Lot of comas for one family.

• 1:29:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I don't think you could do coma again.

• 1:29:57Sean Fennessey?

  What, what do you wanna do? Like Frozen in a Glacier?

• 1:30:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, I mean, listen, they got away with it with While You Were Sleeping, but just ethically, it's, it's one of the 90s ones that we just really can't reheat. It's, it's pretty bad.

• 1:30:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, what are you remaking then, or what are you sequelizing?

• 1:30:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I already said Murder by Numbers.

• 1:30:14Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. You, you have a sequel?

• 1:30:15Speaker 05

  I haven't even seen the first one, but let's say Bird Box.

• 1:30:18Sean Fennessey?

  They did do a sequel, but she's not in it.

• 1:30:20Speaker 05

  Two Birds, Too Furious, no?

• 1:30:21Sean Fennessey?

  Isn't Bird Box ending with her dying?

• 1:30:23Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:30:23Sean Fennessey?

  Spoiler alert for the world-acclaimed 500 million-watched Bird Box. I think it ends with her dying.

• 1:30:28Speaker 05

  I just, like, we've had enough sequels, let's make something new.

• 1:30:31Sean Fennessey?

  Let's read the last sentence of the synopsis from Bird Box.

• 1:30:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:30:35Speaker 05

  Although I did, what if we had, what if we-

• 1:30:36Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no, she lived.

• 1:30:37Speaker 05

  Revisit The Lake House?

• 1:30:38Sean Fennessey?

  Mallory releases the birds and finally names the children Tom and Olympia, declaring that she is their mother. She also happily sees her obstetrician, Dr. Laffham, is among the survivors.

• 1:30:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Great!

• 1:30:49Sean Fennessey?

  Congrats!

• 1:30:50Speaker 05

  I just-

• 1:30:50Sean Fennessey?

  Congrats to Mallory.

• 1:30:51Speaker 05

  Right for, right for a sequel.

• 1:30:54Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they made, they made one, I think, and it was a Spanish version, so it was like all these events but transpiring in San Sebastian or whatever.

• 1:31:02Amanda Dobbins?

  No, that's Eyes.

• 1:31:04Sean Fennessey?

  Eyes is, yes, Los Ojos. What?

• 1:31:07Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:31:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think, I think that's true.

• 1:31:09Speaker 05

  Okay. I'll say, I'll say for real-

• 1:31:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's called Bird Box, no, it's Bird Box Barcelona.

• 1:31:14Speaker 05

  I'll say The Lake House, because The Lake House was a wonderful film and made no sense, and let's just, there's no, of course you could make a sequel, because there's no logic and, and no time and no understanding.

• 1:31:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna read the last plot line of Bird Box Barcelona now.

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  But still satisfying.

• 1:31:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, okay, I'm just gonna read context, that's the last line of Bird Box Barcelona. It is revealed that the army has captured one of the creatures and a seer, and are using the seer's blood to try and create an antibody. Okay.

• 1:31:42Sean Fennessey?

  And there hasn't been a follow-up?

• 1:31:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I don't think so.

• 1:31:45Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, that's upsetting. Um, I, yeah, I don't know.

• 1:31:57Sean Fennessey?

  The Proposal? I feel like this is the most obvious one.

• 1:32:01Speaker 05

  Or, or two weeks, like, two weeks' notice, maybe, and it's like, you're, she is like-

• 1:32:05Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I just mean, because-

• 1:32:06Speaker 05

  A CEO again.

• 1:32:08Sean Fennessey?

  Because Ryan Reynolds is so bankable still.

• 1:32:09Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:32:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Sort of.

• 1:32:11Speaker 05

  But do people wanna see him?

• 1:32:12Sean Fennessey?

  You know how much money this movie made?

• 1:32:15Amanda Dobbins?

  The Proposal made so much money, I thought you were gonna say-

• 1:32:17Sean Fennessey?

  317 million.

• 1:32:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you know how much money May Day made?

• 1:32:19Speaker 05

  Does he?

• 1:32:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I'd say to you, none.

• 1:32:21Speaker 05

  Does he still do, like, hasn't he sort of shifted into a different kind of role as an actor, like?

• 1:32:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Ryan Reynolds?

• 1:32:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, I, I'm trying to-

• 1:32:33Sean Fennessey?

  He's played Deadpool three times.

• 1:32:34Speaker 05

  He's played Deadpool, but like-

• 1:32:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Free Guy.

• 1:32:36Speaker 05

  But like, yeah, doesn't, isn't he, hasn't he-

• 1:32:38Amanda Dobbins?

  And May Day, do you know about May Day?

• 1:32:39Speaker 05

  Corrected over to action and men's interest films or whatever, and less-

• 1:32:43Sean Fennessey?

  More or less.

• 1:32:44Amanda Dobbins?

  There is a slight touch of the menosphere of what he's doing.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  The lovable romantic comedy guy is maybe not there anymore.

• 1:32:52Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right, he was in If, do you know about If?

• 1:32:53Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:32:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Imaginary Friend, directed by John-

• 1:32:56Speaker 05

  Oh, actually, okay, I saw it and I loved it.

• 1:32:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that's great.

• 1:33:01Speaker 05

  I'm sorry.

• 1:33:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen.

• 1:33:03Sean Fennessey?

  He was in Spirited with Will Ferrell.

• 1:33:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right.

• 1:33:06Sean Fennessey?

  Holiday film.

• 1:33:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:07Sean Fennessey?

  Those are some recent movies that weren't action movies.

• 1:33:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:33:10Sean Fennessey?

  But generally, you're right, but it feels like the kind of craven thing that he would do to make The Proposal, too, right?

• 1:33:16Speaker 05

  Poor Ryan Reynolds.

• 1:33:18Sean Fennessey?

  All right.

• 1:33:18Amanda Dobbins?

  He's doing okay.

• 1:33:19Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think Sandy's gonna do any of this stuff?

• 1:33:21Speaker 05

  That we're, that we've proposed.

• 1:33:22Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I don't.

• 1:33:22Sean Fennessey?

  Think she's listening?

• 1:33:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, I hope not. I hope she's like on vacation. She's worked very hard.

• 1:33:28Sean Fennessey?

  She did.

• 1:33:28Amanda Dobbins?

  And-

• 1:33:29Sean Fennessey?

  Listen to her on Good Hang?

• 1:33:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, delightful. I mean, another co-star, Amy Poehler, that would be delightful. They had wonderful, yeah.

• 1:33:35Sean Fennessey?

  They would be good.

• 1:33:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they were kind of auditioning for each other in that episode, in an interesting way.

• 1:33:40Speaker 05

  Kind of like a, an ensemble cast comedy film, à la Girls Trip, with like, you know, several other funny women.

• 1:33:48Sean Fennessey?

  Older Girls Trip?

• 1:33:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, let's, let's sequelize Girls Trip, make it all white women, they all go on a girls' trip.

• 1:33:53Speaker 05

  Why do they all have to be white?

• 1:33:54Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, because Amy and Sandra are white?

• 1:33:56Speaker 05

  There's three other slots.

• 1:33:57Sean Fennessey?

  Who else is going on?

• 1:33:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you see Spa Weekend?

• 1:34:00Speaker 05

  Quinta Bronson.

• 1:34:00Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't seen Spa Weekend.

• 1:34:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I have not seen Spa Weekend either. Spa Weekend was sort of white women, girls trip, but Spa Weekend, and-

• 1:34:08Speaker 05

  Leslie Bibb and-

• 1:34:08Amanda Dobbins?

  They were doing a marketing thing where they invited you to a spa for the day, but I know, but I was out of town.

• 1:34:13Sean Fennessey?

  Which spa was it?

• 1:34:15Amanda Dobbins?

  They didn't, they didn't specify, honestly, like-

• 1:34:17Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know any spas.

• 1:34:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I'm also not really a spa person.

• 1:34:20Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:34:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you, are you?

• 1:34:21Speaker 05

  I love the spa.

• 1:34:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but I can't sit still. It's part of like the, I don't like being, you know, poked, you know?

• 1:34:27Speaker 05

  Oh, I love it. Anyone, if anyone out there is offering spa trips to Amanda and she declines, I will happily pick up the slot.

• 1:34:33Amanda Dobbins?

  And they just, they keep, they poke cucumber in your water and they tell you to like, relax, you know? I did a face mask last night where it's like, we recommend that you be, you said to have fun, so it was like, you need to sit still and like, take deep breaths while you do this, and I was like, you're not my boss, like, you're not here. I'm gonna watch a Gene Hackman movie while I do this.

• 1:34:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:34:53Speaker 05

  It was just a light suggestion. You don't have to do anything.

• 1:34:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't tell me what to do!

• 1:34:57Speaker 05

  The face mask overlords tell you to do.

• 1:34:59Sean Fennessey?

  You're a spa girl.

• 1:35:00Speaker 05

  I love a spa. Can spend the whole day there.

• 1:35:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, anyways, Spa Weekend didn't really hit, so I don't-

• 1:35:05Sean Fennessey?

  Seems nice if you're fortunate enough to participate in spa culture, that seems like a nice thing, right?

• 1:35:10Speaker 05

  What, are you like, uh, on the street begging for change?

• 1:35:13Sean Fennessey?

  No, I know.

• 1:35:14Speaker 05

  You can go to a spa if you want to.

• 1:35:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, of course, I'm not saying anything about myself.

• 1:35:17Speaker 05

  It's available to you.

• 1:35:18Sean Fennessey?

  Um, okay, I feel like we've done yeoman's work here.

• 1:35:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:35:21Sean Fennessey?

  This is a real like, I need the good movies to start coming out moment here, where like, we're right on the precipice.

• 1:35:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we're getting there.

• 1:35:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's almost gonna happen.

• 1:35:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:29Sean Fennessey?

  We're just, we're days away from Resident Evil, you know? And we get, we get primetime, we get some other stuff.

• 1:35:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:38Sean Fennessey?

  Get Digger.

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  Primetime, Digger?

• 1:35:40Sean Fennessey?

  Verity.

• 1:35:41Speaker 05

  What's Verity about? I keep seeing the billboards, but I have no understanding of what it is.

• 1:35:45Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I don't wanna spoil it for myself.

• 1:35:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But so, it's, do you remember the trailer that we saw with, uh, Jake Gyllenhaal and the Phoebe Diver, and it was M. Night Shyamalan and Nicholas Sparks?

• 1:35:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh yeah, I'm excited for that.

• 1:35:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so I think that is in the, the Verity zone.

• 1:36:00Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:36:01Amanda Dobbins?

  As I entertained it, but Verity is Josh Hartnett, Anne Hathaway, and Dakota Johnson.

• 1:36:04Speaker 05

  Oh, Josh Hartnett?

• 1:36:06Amanda Dobbins?

  That's all, that's why I led with him.

• 1:36:07Speaker 05

  Do you think The Bear revived him?

• 1:36:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I do actually think that The Bear sort of-

• 1:36:12Speaker 05

  He's kinda gone for a while.

• 1:36:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Brought him back, that, and then Trap, for those who know.

• 1:36:16Sean Fennessey?

  Did The Bear revive who?

• 1:36:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Josh Hartnett. Oh, you just stopped listening to us?

• 1:36:20Sean Fennessey?

  No, there were many things that brought him back.

• 1:36:22Amanda Dobbins?

  What else?

• 1:36:23Sean Fennessey?

  Oppenheimer?

• 1:36:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's right, yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 05

  I haven't seen Oppenheimer yet.

• 1:36:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Forgot about that, he's very good in Oppenheimer.

• 1:36:27Speaker 05

  What am I waiting for, to finish feature? Thanks for asking.

• 1:36:29Sean Fennessey?

  Lawrence, come on.

• 1:36:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, very tall.

• 1:36:32Speaker 05

  He is tall. I used to see him all the time at Max Fish, being tall and hot.

• 1:36:36Sean Fennessey?

  What, what's next for you?

• 1:36:38Speaker 05

  In life?

• 1:36:39Sean Fennessey?

  Well, whatever you wanna promote.

• 1:36:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, we're gonna have an Indie Sleaze Month on Bands Plane, my podcast.

• 1:36:46Sean Fennessey?

  Can you define Indie Sleaze?

• 1:36:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know what, I've actually come around, this is a spoiler for Indie Sleaze Month, but I was very anti the term, because obviously, you a music writer, me a music writer, you a music participant, that didn't exist back then.

• 1:36:58Sean Fennessey?

  We didn't call it that.

• 1:36:58Speaker 05

  We didn't call it that. However, there's no real shorthand for that scene and era, and it's not a bad one. I was like, okay, it was, it was indie, it was indie music, and it was kinda sleazy, and I was like, that's fine.

• 1:37:11Sean Fennessey?

  Was it, though?

• 1:37:11Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:37:12Sean Fennessey?

  The music? The scene?

• 1:37:14Speaker 05

  The scene.

• 1:37:14Amanda Dobbins?

  The scene, and the-

• 1:37:16Sean Fennessey?

  The music was not though.

• 1:37:16Speaker 05

  And I do think Indie Sleaze is referring back to the scene.

• 1:37:19Sean Fennessey?

  The music was kinda like, high-minded, I thought.

• 1:37:21Speaker 05

  Music was all over the place. It was like, everything from like, the rapture to the strokes to the ASVTV, on the radio, it hit, you know, DFA, it was, but anyway, so we're doing that, Sean and Amanda are both participating in Indie Sleaze Month, so, you know, join us. And Chris Ryan, your favorite.

• 1:37:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Can we smoke on that episode?

• 1:37:39Speaker 05

  Yes. Actually, I don't know.

• 1:37:40Sean Fennessey?

  I won't be there.

• 1:37:40Speaker 05

  I don't know, uh, what the rules are at the Sycamore Studio, but-

• 1:37:44Sean Fennessey?

  I don't believe you can.

• 1:37:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:45Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay, great. Well, thank you, Yossi.

• 1:37:47Speaker 05

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:37:48Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks to our producer, Jack Sanders, for his work on today's episode. Thanks to Lucas Cavanagh for production support. Hey, Amanda, thank you.

• 1:37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  You're so welcome, Sean. Thank you for thanking me.

• 1:37:56Sean Fennessey?

  You're welcome. Later this week, time for Zach Craig's Resident Evil. I'll be there. Will you? See you then.