312. Is America Ready for Gun Reform?

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• 0:04Rory Stewart?

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• 1:12Katty Kay?

  Hello and welcome to this edition of The Rest Is Politics US with me, Catty Kay.

• 1:17Anthony Scaramucci?

  And I'm Anthony Scaramucci. How are you, Catty?

• 1:19Katty Kay?

  I am good. I'm in New York City, but you are a very long way away.

• 1:23Anthony Scaramucci?

  I am. I'm on the bottom of the planet. I'm in Sydney, Australia, right now. I just got back from Newcastle, which is a coal mining industrial area. They did a conference up there and I spoke this evening. But I was in Auckland, New Zealand, yesterday as I was making transit to Australia. I was on the security line and a woman leaned over to me. I thought she thought she knew me, and she leaned over to me and said, "Where's Katty Kay?" What am I, do I chop liver or do I do it in that rate? And she was just letting me know that there is a goal hanger star system. And she was letting me know where I ranked in that star system. Okay. And so I was only

• 2:06Anthony Scaramucci?

  in I was only in a minute in New Zealand, but it left a bad impression on me, Katty Kay.

• 2:11Katty Kay?

  So you're never going back. Listen, can I just say

• 2:13Anthony Scaramucci?

  I'm teasing, but I think you have

• 2:14Katty Kay?

  You have swanned off to Australia without me. And this is a no co-host left behind policy.

• 2:21Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yeah, there you go. Well, there you go. Well, you have huge fans down here.

• 2:24Katty Kay?

  You travel alone at your own expense, at your own peril.

• 2:26Anthony Scaramucci?

  There you go. And you have huge fans down here. They wanted

• 2:29Katty Kay?

  Well, that's very exciting.

• 2:30Anthony Scaramucci?

  Let me know that. So I just thought I would share that with you. It was a it was the typical Kiwi Australian putting me right in my place, the place that I deserve, Katty.

• 2:39Katty Kay?

  Excellent. I'm going to keep that on record. And then every time I'm feeling a little low, I'm just going to replay it to myself, if you don't mind. I'll sort of insert it into the episode every now and again.

• 2:48Anthony Scaramucci?

  Extremely jet lagged, but I found it very humorous and very flattering to you. Okay, flattering to you.

• 2:54Katty Kay?

  Okay, before we get going, and I'm going to dive into what we're going to talk about, we have some very exciting news, which is that tickets are on sale for our first ever The Rest Is Politics US live show. And ticket sales start from 10am Eastern on Friday, the 6th of September. Just head to therestispolitics.com, our brand new website, and you will find our ticket sales there. So we hope to see you all. Some of you have already contacted me on LinkedIn about whether we're doing a live show. We are. All the information is going to be there.

• 3:26Anthony Scaramucci?

  It's October 28th in New York.

• 3:28Katty Kay?

  Yes.

• 3:28Anthony Scaramucci?

  And October 30th in DC, just so people have a sense for where we're going to be.

• 3:31Katty Kay?

  Excellent.

• 3:32Anthony Scaramucci?

  We'd love to see you and and thank you for considering it.

• 3:35Katty Kay?

  So in today's episode, we're going to kick off with Anthony in Australia and talk a little bit actually about gun control after the school shooting in Georgia on Wednesday and what the Australians have done to handle that. And we're going to look at the state of the race and how they're making their final debate prep and what I'm hearing and what Anthony's hearing from Democrats, who it seems to me are getting rather nervous. Then after the break, we are going to dive into the gender divide that is growing in the voting blocks between young women and young men. There's now a 51 point difference between young women and young Young men over whether they vote for Harris or for Trump, which is kind of fascinating. It says a lot about America and where young men are in America right now.

• 4:17Katty Kay?

  So there's a lot to talk about, but first this grim story in Georgia. And I woke, I saw the news yesterday, Anthony, and actually a week or two ago, I'd been thinking, you know what, it's really strange since we started this podcast, there hasn't been a school shooting in America, which is a kind of depressing way to have to think about that. And of course, then I realized it had been the school summer holidays. And that's why we haven't had one. And here we have now on the outskirts of Atlanta, a school shooting that has left four people dead, committed by a 14 year old student who took a semi-automatic weapon into a school and shot people in a classroom. And I think it is, I'm right in saying, the 45th school shooting in America this year alone. And this, I always refer to this, and it's so depressing because we talk about this every time

• 5:01Katty Kay?

  and nothing changes, but I always refer to this as America's exceptional problem, because it's not an issue that occurs in other developed countries. And you have countries like Australia, who have done a much better job than the United States have done of keeping their schoolchildren safe from guns.

• 5:17Anthony Scaramucci?

  Well, I mean, a couple of reactions. First of all, I think on behalf of Caddy and I and everybody here, our hearts go out to people. And it's painful to say that because how many times have you heard somebody say, oh, my hearts go out to you.

• 5:29Katty Kay?

  We heard Governor Kemp say it, prayers and thoughts.

• 5:32Anthony Scaramucci?

  No, I have, I have, I have children and I think about it all the time. Um, one of my brothers in law is actually in gun safety, if you will, or school protection in Georgia. And there were a couple of things that happened that I think the state of Georgia has to examine. And so some of the things on the checklist is you do get some warning signs from these young people. And there were several warning signs of the, the, the child in question was actually investigated, related to the potential threat that he offered up to the school. And then they said, okay, that threat was really not actionable, but it did turn out to be actionable. And again, I'm not calling or pointing fingers or playing Monday morning quarterback. I'm just saying that this is a huge problem.

• 6:18Anthony Scaramucci?

  You and I both know the Port Arthur situation. Here where there was a mass shooting and that was obviously a big penal station as convicts were coming into Australia and Tasmania and so there was a lot of symbolism there that there was this sort of mass shooting there and John Howard who I think both you and I are old enough to remember John Howard he was a prime minister down here he was from the Liberal Party but as people here in Australia know when you say Liberal in Australia it's part of their conservative movement but tell us Katty what he did what was the incentive program that he created on the guns and what were the ideas around

• 6:59Anthony Scaramucci?

  reducing the semi-automatic volume of guns in his country and of course it's had this quantum effect on reducing the mass shootings and before you say anything I just want to mention in the United States we currently are estimating over 400 million guns

• 7:16Katty Kay?

  More guns than people.

• 7:17Anthony Scaramucci?

  For 335 million people but tell us a little bit about what Prime Minister Howard did in a coalition it was a bipartisan attempt to clean this up and it's been very successful here.

• 7:28Katty Kay?

  So what Australia did after the 96 Tasmania shooting was that they effectively had a program to buy back guns from the street they removed semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns and rifles from civilian possession they took them out of people's hands it was part of a one of the components of a gun law reform that was enacted at the time but that was the major part of it and they managed with a levy that was taken from income tax to get tens of thousands of gun owners to voluntarily as well as that surrender any additional non-prohibited firearms in the end I think it was close to a million something

• 8:09Katty Kay?

  like 700,000 guns were removed and destroyed from an adult population of about 12 so they were successful there have not been repeated incidents anything like the scale I'm sure there have been one or two shootings in Australia since I don't can't don't know the numbers exactly but nothing Australia does not have America's problem because

• 8:30Katty Kay?

  Parliament took action and the parties came together to take action to prevent this kind of violence. The same happened in the United Kingdom, nineteen ninety six, the Dunblane school shooting, sixteen children were killed. And the government very quickly, within the space of a couple of weeks, managed to pass a ban, a law that would ban private ownership of handguns. There are a few exceptions, but basically they banned private ownership of nearly all handguns. And again, there have not been school shootings in the United Kingdom. Gun death now accounts is the number one killer of children in the United States. It's overtaken car deaths. And the reason that it's the number one killer is that it's not regulated, whereas cars are regulated.

• 9:15Katty Kay?

  We mandate that children have to have car seats and we mandate that they have to wear seat belts as they get older. And children are not dying in car accidents in the way that they are. But for some reason, America thinks that it is acceptable, not the American public, because the American public is overwhelmingly in favor of gun reform and gun safety reform and background checks. But the structures, the scaffolding of the American system of government is somehow failing its people. And I cover the Sandy Hook shooting in twenty twenty twelve, when twenty six and seven year olds died. And that was the last big push for real gun reform. And it was four Democratic senators who voted against Barack Obama's

• 9:59Katty Kay?

  proposals for gun reform in that instance. So it was, they were Democrats who were in in swing states and they felt they couldn't get reelected if they voted for it. So there's, you know, there's blame on both sides on this, but it is, I think it is just always worth reminding Americans that other countries have done something about this. And America has chosen not to do something about this.

• 10:20Anthony Scaramucci?

  But I want to get your reaction to this statement. And this is so, again, I'm just, you know, because I've listening here in Australia to people how relieved they are that they have this this gun control. You and I both know that the gun control ideas when polled, seventy five percent of the people in America in a bipartisan way said they want it, but yet the Congress won't move on it. And my question to you, is this a lobbying issue? Are they receiving money from the gun lobby? Or do they not believe those polls? You're mentioning, as we both know, that in swing states, a Democrat will vote against gun control issues. And so so what is it about guns that we're misunderstanding in the United States?

• 11:02Katty Kay?

  The generous interpretation is that there is something cultural about the idea. You know, going back to the Constitution that you had the right to bear arms, to the founding fathers, that they had the right to pull up a militia in case the government, you know, got authoritarian and they could be able to defend themselves. But that's kind of hooey. That was, you know, one bullet coming out of a musket. It was not semi-automatic weapons. Today, I think you're right, it's lobbying from the NRA now kind of in disgrace and its replacement, this SOFA organization, Save Our Firearms organization. And they these organizations get an awful lot of money from the gun industry.

• 11:43Katty Kay?

  And they use it not just to funnel money into campaigns. It's less about the money that they're putting into congressional campaigns. What the NRA has done with its rating system is that anyone running for election lives in fear. If you're running in a relatively conservative or rural district, a rural district in a liberal state, you're going to live in fear of having a bad rating from the NRA. And that proved more effective than any of the money that they could pump into those political campaigns.

• 12:08Anthony Scaramucci?

  I also think that the country is just not ready for it. And so it's one of the third rails in American politics. So these shootings will persist. The schools are, by the way, trying their hardest. They do have Gun safety protocol, they do have people on staff. There was a community security personnel that subdued this gunman, or gun boy, if you will. And of course, the the boy is now in custody. The state of Georgia says he will be tried as an adult. He's 14 years of age. And I'm sure they're trying to do that to create more disincentives. But thank God, there was somebody on staff in that school that was able to subdue the gunman and that more people didn't die. But but I will say this, and this is

• 12:53Anthony Scaramucci?

  something true about all of our cultures, all of our countries. In Australia, there's more of this feeling, maybe because of the origination of Australia, there's more of a feeling about equity and people pulling together on an idea. In the United States, as you know, Katty, from living in the United States, there's a rugged individualism in the United States has been part of this culture for hundreds of years. And unfortunately, concomitant to that rugged individualism is gun ownership, at least the perception of it. So so it's way more powerful than people like to admit.

• 13:25Katty Kay?

  But that doesn't account for the fact that in 92, under Bill Clinton, 93, under Bill Clinton, America was able to pass an assault weapons ban.

• 13:35Anthony Scaramucci?

  Ten years.

• 13:35Katty Kay?

  With the blessing of the former President Ronald Reagan, who wrote to Congress and said he thought this should get passed. And the tragedy of that ban, which actually did cut down mass shootings quite dramatically, was that it only lasted for 10 years and then it sunsetted. And now you have more mass shootings in America than you have days. I mean, it's out of control. And yet, there seems to be no ability to reflect what the American people say they want. And that's what's so frustrating here. I mean, of course, it's, you know, four more families in Georgia who have gone through this on the first week of school. I know parents who send their kids back to school. You have young children still. My kids went

• 14:18Katty Kay?

  through school drills where they had to practice hiding under the desk. Americans are sort of getting used to the idea that that's normal. It's not. And it doesn't have to be that way. But there needs something needs to break the logjam where American public opinion, according to polls, unless the polls are totally wrong, want much more effective action on things like background checks and assault weapons. And yet, the system isn't able to deliver it.

• 14:45Anthony Scaramucci?

  Well, I guess, I guess the rhetorical question, which I don't think either of us had the answer to is what calamity or what crisis? John Howard took a crisis in Australia and he turned it into political policy that left Australia better off. And one would think that some of these things would trigger a bipartisan initiative. But none of them have, and I'm just wondering what, what would if none of these tragic shootings have, what in fact would? But.

• 15:13Katty Kay?

  If Sandy Hook in 2012 didn't do it and 26 and 7 year olds were killed, as Barack Obama said, nothing will.

• 15:20Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yeah, I went to the 10th anniversary of the commemoration of the deaths of those people. It was, and President Obama spoke.

• 15:28Katty Kay?

  Worst story I've ever covered. I, I, I was there for a week and wanted to leave every minute. It was just awful, the, you know, a whole town that felt like it had had this horrible damp blanket of pain and grief smothered over it. And they were just, you know, little kids. And if that, if America doesn't respond to that, then I guess we're just going to carry on saying thoughts and prayers.

• 15:52Anthony Scaramucci?

  It's, it's terrible. And I, and I don't want to transition abruptly from something that tragic.

• 15:57Katty Kay?

  Yeah.

• 15:58Anthony Scaramucci?

  But there's a, there's an election coming up.

• 16:01Katty Kay?

  Yep.

• 16:01Anthony Scaramucci?

  And there's negotiations.

• 16:02Katty Kay?

  By the way, there is a, there is a transition here because Kamala Harris spoke about this. But Kamala Harris in 2019 proposed what Australia did. And now has had to walk away from that as a policy position because she knows that it's not viable in the United States. But it's interesting that she actually had looked at what Australia had done, I assume, and decided that she was going to try and float it back in 2019. She won't be floating it this time. I'm, I'm picking up quite a lot of nervousness, by the way, on the state of the race. I don't know what you're hearing, Anthony, but I'm getting Democrats kind of texting me. I had a long call yesterday with a strategist and I can fill you in on that a bit more. But I'm hearing quite a lot of nervousness from some Democrats.

• 16:38Anthony Scaramucci?

  I, I, I think with that issue for the vice president's campaign.

• 16:44Anthony Scaramucci?

  Is where is the campaign? Uh, yes, she is going to rallies. Yes, she is speaking off prompter at rallies. Uh, but there's another element to the campaign. As you and I both know, there's a softer element and there's a confrontational element as well. So the soft element is just the meet and greets extemporaneously, uh, going into diners, taking some photo ops, meeting the cook in the kitchen in the hotel, uh, before a speech. That's the soft stuff. But then there's the confrontation.

• 17:14Katty Kay?

  And she's doing that well, right? She's good at that.

• 17:15Anthony Scaramucci?

  She is good at that. She's very personable. Uh, but in addition to that, there's the confrontation that the American public wants to see. Whether people like it or not, they want you in a heated position. They want you in a hot seat and they want you to subject yourself to questions. The American public has decided that if you can answer questions extemporaneously, you're so showing a depth of knowledge, some level of wisdom and some level of experience. And so if she doesn't start doing that, I think it's going to hurt her. It's not only going to hurt her with the right wing media. Uh, it's already hurting her there. I mean, they're already chanting that, but I think it will hurt her. I think the general public will say, hmm, can a race be won off a teleprompter? And can a

• 18:00Anthony Scaramucci?

  race be won in the United States withholding press appearances? And so I don't know if that's the case. And, and it also creates a lot of murkiness around policy. So good opposition research people from the opposing party will start to make up your policies. If you're not out there plaintively explaining what those policies are, they'll make up some Armageddon policies that are not your policies and they'll project them into the airspace. And, and, and Katty, you know this better than me. Uh, we, we get a lie around the world. The lie is going to run from where you are in New York to me in Australia in five seconds before the truth can get out the door, even get its shoes on. So, so this

• 18:44Anthony Scaramucci?

  is really bad for her, in my opinion. And, uh, you know, she won't, she won't stand at the, uh, at the airplane. She won't stand on the tarmac and let a microphone. Come to her face and have some extemporaneous questions. She was asked, how is the debate prep going? And she waved from the bottom of the stairs, that it's going well, or it's good, put a thumb up and walked up the steps. Now, they may know something you and I don't know. I've been at this for 30 years and so I'm willing. I've been humbled by life, I've been humbled by markets, so I may be wrong on this, but maybe they think they can do this without that. Now, what I would say to you when I talk to their people.

• 19:24Katty Kay?

  Do it without doing interviews, you mean?

• 19:26Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yeah, they do it without doing interviews and they can do it in this sort of isolated, in a box sort of a way. But when I talk to them, they seem very, very confident. They seem, we've got numbers, we've got momentum. Internal polling is great. Nate Silver has her behind in Pennsylvania, we have her ahead in Pennsylvania. And I'm wondering if that's some Hillary Clinton-esque campaign arrogance. I don't know. But the same things were being said in the September period, right after Labor Day, about the secretary's campaign. That she was well ahead and six points ahead there, five points ahead here, and she was gonna win. And of course Nate Silver had this sort of, I don't know if you remember that snake graph that he did, but he had this sort of thing.

• 20:09Anthony Scaramucci?

  Where if he wins here and he wins there, that he wins over here, he wins. And that's exactly what happened on election night. So, so to me, I don't understand it and they won't sit for questions related to it. But I would be worried if I were them. This guy is formidable. You may not like him. He does things that are misogynistic. He does things that are absurd. He knows how to keep himself in the media. He did a town hall last night with Sean Hannity. It was a lot more of the blather that he comes up with. But the people, the people that support him like it. They don't. Dislike it. And if you want to pretend that because you may dislike it, that they dislike it, don't project your feelings on them. They like it. And if he's out there and she's

• 20:54Anthony Scaramucci?

  not, more of them will turn out than her supporters.

• 20:58Katty Kay?

  So what I'm hearing and have heard this week from a strategist, a Democrat that I called and a donor that I called, is that there's a sense that her August surge, that extraordinary five weeks she had, has slowed and hasn't really been reflected in the polls as much as they had hoped it would be. That there would be a clear distinction now, that she would be clearly ahead in all of the swing states. She hasn't become yet what the Trump campaign was fearing that she would become, which is this kind of unstoppable, I think I called it a couple of weeks ago, the transformational candidate. And the other thing they point to is the anomaly, to get what you're talking about, is that Trump, Kamala Harris had a kind of almost perfect five weeks from her launch. And that was

• 21:41Katty Kay?

  reflected to some extent in the amount of money she managed to raise finishing with the convention. Meanwhile, Donald Trump, apart from, you know, his convention, and of course, there was the shooting, but he had a pretty bad few weeks over August. There was that conference with the black journalists, throwing insults that didn't stick. There was the kerfuffle around the Arlington Cemetery, and was he taking photographs for the campaign where he shouldn't have been? The crowds have been smaller at some of his events. Some of his speeches have rambled. He tries to call it the weave. He's got a new word for it, but let's face it, it's rambling. And he seems to have, I love this idea that there's a weave. It's all part of a mega plan. And that he's rejecting the advice of, you know,

• 22:23Katty Kay?

  Wiles and Lassavita to try and stay on message. So he's not had a great few weeks, and yet he hasn't tanked in his polls. His numbers didn't crash. His floor has remained solid. And I think that's been a sort of aha moment for some of the Democrats who are thinking, wow, we thought the surge that we saw in enthusiasm and joy in the DNC and the kind of kumbaya was going to lead, inexorably lead to much better poll numbers. And now they are in a position where, you know, David Plouffe, who's been brought in, who ran the Obama campaign, we've mentioned him a few times as a senior advisor, has really been pushing hard the idea that they are the underdog. And I was texting with somebody who Is potentially going to be in Kamala's cabinet if she wins the election and say, you

• 23:07Katty Kay?

  know, what is Plouffe doing? And he said, he's just trying to motivate people and that they just don't want anyone to take their foot off the brake. But I'm hearing definitely quite a lot of concern that Nate, you're right, the Nate Silver projection that has Trump with a 53% chance of winning the election, whereas his previous model had her winning the election, has them very tight in Pennsylvania. I think all of that is making people anxious.

• 23:32Anthony Scaramucci?

  So can I ask you a question? Okay, I want to put your strategist hat on. So you

• 23:36Katty Kay?

  Love playing strategist.

• 23:38Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yes. So you're getting similar information to me.

• 23:40Katty Kay?

  I'm glad that no one ever paid me any money to do any kind of strategy for any campaign, by the way.

• 23:44Anthony Scaramucci?

  But you have very good common sense. And since you are not a American partisan, you speak with lots of objectivity. I have sometimes tendency to look through the prism of what I want to have happen.

• 23:56Katty Kay?

  Right.

• 23:57Anthony Scaramucci?

  As opposed to what is actually going to happen. So, so let me throw it to you for a second and say, what would be the strategy? What if I, what if I came to you and said, Katty Kay, I am not moving in the polls the way I thought. And I've raised a ton of money and I'm going to go out there and try to build the Obama coalition. And by the way, I brought in Plouffe and he put out on Twitter that Trump has had more presidential debates than anybody in the last five years in terms of presidential debates. And so he's had seven of them. I've had none of them. He's trying to manage expectations for me. Is that what he should be doing? And if it's not what he should be doing, what should he be doing to gin up my numbers? And what should he be doing to broaden my support?

• 24:40Katty Kay?

  So I think the area where she has been the weakest has been on having an economic message that she is comfortable selling again and again and again. So for example, when she campaigned with Joe Biden in Pittsburgh at a union event, she didn't mention the cost of living. And I would start calling it not inflation, but affordability, because people have been told time and again that inflation is coming down, but the price of goods is still unaffordable for them. So she needs to find a way to talk about affordability. And not miss a single opportunity to do so. She is not a threat. The two issues where Donald Trump is still ahead in the polls are the two issues that most Americans say matter to the most.

• 25:24Katty Kay?

  The first is the economy and the second is immigration. She can't afford to turn up at an event in Michigan or an event in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and not talk about those issues. And yet, that's what she did this week. So she's got to put the economic, and she's, I think, part of that is having an economic team that she, an economy team that she feels very comfortable with and that she trusts. She has Jean Spurling, who was in the Clinton administration, in the Obama administration, who has now been brought into very solid guy, but not somebody she knows very well. He's fairly new to her operation. He's come in recently. It's not like on her national security side where she has Phil Gordon, who runs her national security, who she's known for a long time and trusts. And I think for Kamala Harris, perhaps for anybody running

• 26:08Katty Kay?

  for president, having people around you who you trust makes an enormous amount of difference. And that trust level on the national security side, I think, is to some extent reflected in the confidence with which she spoke about that at her DNC speech. And she needs that on the economy side. She needs to have the same comfort. She's not somebody, she comes from a law enforcement background. She's not an economist. But she needs to be given the confidence to speak about economic issues in a way that really resonates with people for whom that is the number one issue. So I think that is probably where I would start. And I would make, say, you do not ever do an event where you miss the opportunity to address affordability and immigration.

• 26:47Anthony Scaramucci?

  Okay, so, so let me role play for a second. Okay, I am Vice President Harris, and I'm calling in to the rest of the politics of the US. No, no, no, definitely not, definitely not. Although I would like to see you with the orange.

• 26:59Katty Kay?

  I know, I would like to try that.

• 27:00Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yes, I would like to see you with the orange war paint on.

• 27:03Katty Kay?

  The whole thing.

• 27:04Anthony Scaramucci?

  You have to, you have to dye your hair orange, and then you got to go right, right, right down everything else, orange. But, but I'm going to call in now, and I'm going to say to you, listen, guys, don't worry. Let's face facts. I just became the presidential nominee forty-five, forty-six days ago. On the twenty-first of July, I was Flipping pancakes and making bacon for my nieces and I got the call from the president who said he's stepping out of the race. So just imagine what I now have to do. I have to build a presidential campaign operation. I have to be careful and make sure I'm paying tribute to the president who selected me to be vice president. He she literally took I took his whole platform and left his name in the platform when I listed it on the website.

• 27:48Anthony Scaramucci?

  And give me a little bit of time. I've gotten myself better organized now. I have the personnel in place. And for me, the campaign starts on September the 10th, which is the first debate. And I'm going to be holed up in Pittsburgh, doing a week of debate prep, readying myself for all these different things. And I, I just will say this one last thing. And now I'm going to interrupt her because she's our guest. I would then say to her, well, just be careful. Don't Hillary Clinton eyes that debate. Do not be the policy wonk. Do not study the policy. The American people are looking for a verbal sparring match. This is almost like a UMA fight, but an oral one. And what they want is they want you to best

• 28:31Anthony Scaramucci?

  Donald Trump. They want you to parry him. And they want you to explain to people that you're more competent and you're a safer pair of hands than him, without getting too detailed into the policy.

• 28:41Katty Kay?

  And they want they want to see that she can stand up to him.

• 28:43Anthony Scaramucci?

  She can stand up to him because it'll it'll it'll give them confidence that you can stand up to Putin, give you confidence you stand up to other people. Don't do the Hillary Clinton thing where let me list policy and go to page one of the policy book and and give me 30 minutes. I'm going to list every policy in three minute increments. If she does that, she's really going to get hurt by him. And I don't want her on offense, but I don't want her doing that.

• 29:08Katty Kay?

  Because I think the prosecutor in her knows not to do that. You know, she's performed in court. We've seen her in this Kamala Harris's best moment was during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings in the Senate where she played prosecutor. And it's like almost like watching a TV prosecutor in a drama show. And she's pretty good at it. So I think actually, she has the ability to not get sucked down into policy details, avoid being pulled into His personal attacks against her, which I think he's also gonna try and do, right? He's at the moment, somebody who's fairly close to Trump was texting me saying, you know, he doesn't do classic debate prep, but what he's trying to do is get the theatrics right. That he's focusing on the theatre of this, on the show of this and how to needle her.

• 29:50Katty Kay?

  And I think she, she knows that and she's got to stay calm and focused in the light of those theatrics. And then kind of find out ways, as you said last week, on how to needle him with words like, you know, old or small or whatever those words are. So I think-

• 30:06Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yeah, but, but also be offensive on California. Describe California for this amazing economy that it actually is. Don't take the bait when he's calling you stupid. He's gonna call you stupid. I know that's incendiary even to say it on our podcast, but he will do it. He's a misogynist. He put out an awful tweet and about her and Secretary Clinton. And I don't want to get into the whole thing because it's just too misogynistic for me. Don't take the bait. What she said, the best part of her CNN interview, Katty, and the most memorable part was same old playbook, next question. Now, if I was her media coach, if you had met me in 2010 and I was on television,

• 30:51Anthony Scaramucci?

  whatever my statements were, were secondary to my ums and my okays. And so you would have heard me on television say, um, um, um, um, um, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. And I got that beaten out of me by a media coach in 2011. She has a nervous laugh. Trump calls it a cackle, okay, but you can hear it. And she said, same old playbook, let's go to the next question. And then she finishes the sentence with the nervous laugh. And if I was her media coach, I'd say, okay, we're working on this every day. Okay, we're gonna get you in front of a camera, in front of a microphone, in front of a Zoom.

• 31:32Anthony Scaramucci?

  Get the microphone in your face and we're gonna work on eliminating the cackle, okay? Or the laugh, or whatever you want to call it. Now, people that are supporters are gonna be mad at me. But I am telling you, in this world, in presidential politics, for her, she is the more serious candidate. She said that Donald Trump was the unserious, non-serious candidate, so he can get away with more catty than she can.

• 31:57Katty Kay?

  Yeah, because Trump is a character, a political character, who's broken the mold, and therefore the old rules, the traditional rules, don't apply for him. She is a character, a political character, in the traditional mold, and therefore somehow the traditional rules still apply for her. And that may be grossly unfair, and we do have to remind people of some of the things that Donald Trump says when we talk about Kamala Harris being inconsistent, because he is also very inconsistent, but he somehow gets away with it. Talking of inconsistent, that was what's called a segue in the business. Inconsistency on the abortion issue from Mr. Trump during the course of this week, where he seems to

• 32:37Katty Kay?

  have been, at one point, saying that he was in favor of a ballot measure to restore abortion access in Florida, which currently bans abortions after six weeks. He says he's going to be voting that we need more than six weeks, and then clearly some on the conservative right had got to him and said, that's not going to fly. And so he says he's going to vote against the amendment to enshrine abortion rights. Within the space of about a week, therefore, Donald Trump gives two totally different positions, I mean, almost opposing positions, on one piece of legislation on the issue of abortion. And like you said, I mean, it's ironic that he gets away with that, and yet she is past and past on, you know, positions she held in 2019 compared to positions she held today. But what do

• 33:20Katty Kay?

  you make of the fact that he's kind of jumping around on abortion at the moment, apart from the fact that he clearly realizes this is a problem for him electorally?

• 33:27Anthony Scaramucci?

  He realizes it's a problem, but he's also figured out, and I've said this repetitively, and I want our listeners and viewers to watch this happen. He knows he can say contradictory things and people will hang on it. He knows that there's something about Americans where they want to hear something that they personally want to hear. I am going to balance the budget for the United States and end deficit spending in the first four years of my presidency. So there's a group of people that say, okay, that's probably not true, but I like hearing it. I like hearing the broad brush statement of it.

• 34:09Anthony Scaramucci?

  Of course, he contributed eight trillion dollars to our deficit spending and it wasn't true. And so now he's out there testing that. He's saying, well, I did say we needed more time, but then I also said, so depending on who he's with, he knows he has a fluidity. There's a liquidity to his verbiage that has worked for him since he got in the race. And I'm talking about since 2016. He's able to say contradictory things. She gets pinned on them. Hillary Clinton gets pinned on them. If she switched their view on fracking four years ago and as vice president, she's upheld that view, she's still criticized for it. But Trump switched his view.

• 34:53Anthony Scaramucci?

  He was pro-choice in the 90s. He became pro-life to run and maybe he's ambivalent about pro-life. He certainly, he's got the IVF thing in a tongue twist as well. Some of them are saying they're for it. Other people are saying they're against it. They don't really know where to go with it. And I don't understand why the Harris team is not running harder on that. Now, now it could be that they need Joe Biden's Catholics. It could be that they've looked at the data and said, listen, we're going to get the people that are pro-choice, but we also have to run and get some of the Joe Biden Catholics that are actually devout Catholics. They believe in the conception creates the human being.

• 35:35Anthony Scaramucci?

  This is Catholic dogma, Catholic theology, and maybe she doesn't want to say it.

• 35:39Katty Kay?

  But you know, this is the number one issue now.

• 35:41Anthony Scaramucci?

  Just take the risk though. My, my thing is throw the ball. Take the risk. You don't win these things playing defense. You win them on offense. You know, talk about the debate. Okay, he he gets the access Hollywood thing dropped on him. You and I did a a four part series, which our subscribers will get access to about the 2016 event events that took place and how he got to the presidency. But just go back. He's blasted with the access Hollywood tape. He goes on offense.

• 36:11Katty Kay?

  Yeah.

• 36:12Anthony Scaramucci?

  He goes and gets the three Clinton accusers. And he says, Look at this hypocrisy. Okay, I had some locker room talk. She's an enabler of a sexual predator.

• 36:21Katty Kay?

  Yeah.

• 36:21Anthony Scaramucci?

  You see what he did?

• 36:21Katty Kay?

  Constant offense.

• 36:23Anthony Scaramucci?

  Harris team go on offense, take some risks. You have a likable candidate. Trust that the people are going to give her the benefit of the doubt.

• 36:32Katty Kay?

  Yeah, I mean Frank Luntz, who Rory and Alistair interviewed on the Rest is Politics UK version, has this framing at the moment where he's saying that if it's a character election, she wins. If it's a policy election, he wins. I I'm I wonder if that's a little simple. I think some people have mixed views of and some people certainly love Donald Trump's character and are going to vote for him for that. But on the abortion thing, one last thing before we go to break and then get on to other things, is that new this week, the New York Times Siena poll has for women 45 and under, abortion is now their number one voting issue. And that's a switch. So she can afford to be aggressive on that issue.

• 37:12Anthony Scaramucci?

  You know, I I have to interrupt you for a second.

• 37:14Katty Kay?

  Yeah, that was good, wasn't it?

• 37:16Anthony Scaramucci?

  Call you out on.

• 37:16Katty Kay?

  Come on.

• 37:16Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yes.

• 37:17Katty Kay?

  Come on, two weeks in a row. And I I didn't do it in the first few minutes. It came late.

• 37:21Anthony Scaramucci?

  No, but you are the teacher's pet. Okay, so Alistair, I know you're listening. And I know like the New Zealand woman.

• 37:28Katty Kay?

  Better work a little harder, Scaramucci.

• 37:28Anthony Scaramucci?

  I know I know the New Zealand woman that interrupted me and asked me where Katty was.

• 37:32Katty Kay?

  You too. You too could do it.

• 37:34Anthony Scaramucci?

  We know where she is. She's she's here bragging about you, Alistair. Okay. But just I just want to ask this question. Who retweets you more, Alistair? Me or Katty Kay? Before we go to the break, Alistair, I want you to think about that.

• 37:46Katty Kay?

  Anthony, you're sounding a little desperate. So we're going to take a break. Have a big breath, and then we'll come back.

• 37:53Anthony Scaramucci?

  Thank you. Please. Water, please. Pass the water.

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• 39:43Katty Kay?

  Welcome back to The Rest Is Politics US with me, Katty Kay.

• 39:47Anthony Scaramucci?

  And me, Alistair Scaramucci. I just wanted to reference Alistair before Katty Kay did in this half. Alistair Scaramucci. Go ahead, Katty, what are we talking about? Go ahead.

• 39:58Katty Kay?

  Anthony's gonna stoop that low.

• 39:59Anthony Scaramucci?

  Yes.

• 40:00Katty Kay?

  Look, I wanted to talk about this story that was in the New York Times and some data that's been coming out that is really interesting on the Growing split between young men and young women in their voting affiliation, with more young women leaning towards Kamala Harris and more young men leaning towards Donald Trump. And what's interesting, I think, is that when Biden was in the race, men between the ages of eighteen to twenty-nine favoured Donald Trump by an average of eleven points, while young women favoured Joe Biden by twenty-eight points. Then Kamala Harris gets into the race, becomes the nominee, and the split grows even bigger. Young men are now favouring Trump by thirteen points, so that's two points more.

• 40:43Katty Kay?

  He's actually got more of the favourability Trump because they have a woman candidate, whereas young women are favouring Kamala Harris by thirty-eight points. That's a lot of numbers, sorry, everybody. But the number to think about is that there is now a fifty-one point gap between young men and young women in their support for Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. And I think it gets to this very interesting New York Times piece, which dug into some of the reasons for that. And the men that were surveyed in this piece were not men who were anti-abortion rights or socially conservative or particularly misogynistic.

• 41:28Katty Kay?

  What they talked about was a feeling, and I think it's quite common amongst Gen Z men, of feeling unsure of their place in the world, particularly on economic issues. We know that girls do better in school now, they get more degrees in America, they get more postgraduate degrees in America, they get more PhDs in America. Young women are starting to earn as much as, if not more than, young men. And all of that, I think, has left young men with a feeling of, well, what's my role? If my role is not to be the breadwinner, what is it? And then, at the same time, they're getting hit from the left with all these phrases like "toxic masculinity" and "the future is female", which makes them feel even worse about themselves.

• 42:12Katty Kay?

  And they look at Donald Trump and they think there is somebody who is strong and gets what it is to be a man and doesn't like all the PC stuff and will let boys be boys. And they're drawn to some of that. And I think that this gender split could... I mean, this election, I feel, could turn out to be a referendum on what gender roles are in America today. And who is more comfortable with their role as a young man or a young woman?

• 42:38Anthony Scaramucci?

  You said something last week that I thought about a lot, and so I'm going to repeat what you said, and I want you to, I want you to think about my reaction to it. You said that white males, historically in our society, had privilege. And that because of the result that they were white males, they had more opportunity. Their profile, their sort of blink profile, if you will, was okay. They're white males, and so therefore they're competent, they're going to get good jobs. Up against African-American women or women, there were levels of misogyny. One of the bestselling books last year was a book called Lessons in Chemistry. It was written by a brilliant author called Bonnie Garmes. It became the best book pick for Barnes and Noble here in the United States.

• 43:23Anthony Scaramucci?

  And it was about the misogyny that took place in the 1950s and the discrimination. But what I thought about when you said all of that, I didn't know, as a man, in the 1980s, when I was trying to get a job, that I was benefiting. And I don't think white males today are being fairly treated, because what's happening now is we're rebalancing. We're saying, well, your white male ancestry got more fairly treated than you, and so now we're going to undercut you. And somebody like Scott Galloway, the professor from NYU, will tell you that suicide rates are up, suicide ideation is up, depression is up for white males. And he would also tell you that if you walked onto a college campus,

• 44:04Anthony Scaramucci?

  there are more women's advocacy groups, women for this, women for that, and there's very few for white males. Now, Galloway pointed out on television, Professor Galloway, this week, that in the statements and policy initiatives from Harris, lots of groups are included, but not white males. They're conspicuously absent, yet they represent at least 25% of the potential people that are going to go vote for her. So I'm wondering, and I'd like you to react to this, I'm wondering if we have overdone things. And I'm wondering if we have to figure out a way to get the pendulum back to somewhere in the middle where people are at least treated fairly and equally. And not one overly advantaged over the other because these are individuals, Katty.

• 44:48Anthony Scaramucci?

  These are human beings and they just, they, you know, it's creating self-esteem issues. Uh, the policy redirect or the policy overcorrection, if you will. And again, I'm not saying it isn't justified and I'm not saying it isn't true. Uh, the statement that you made last week, but I'm just wondering if the answer is to go in the direction that we're going. I'm wondering if there's a better policy response and better narrative for, for Harris, because she's not winning those voters and you just explain why.

• 45:16Katty Kay?

  Yeah, and she's bought on Tim Walz to try and win those voters. Clearly he appeals directly to, to those voters. I wrote about this a lot in the book I put out last year, um, that you were kind enough to have me on your show for, The Power Code, looking at what the role of men and women is and how power is shifting from men to women. I mean, the numbers do still support the idea that there is more struggle for women to get to the top, you know, only 12% of CEOs are women, 20% of senators are women, uh, less than half of members of Congress are women. So at the top levels, women are still not represented in the numbers that men are represented. And I think a lot of women would point to that and say, we've still got work to do.

• 45:58Katty Kay?

  There is still, uh, discrimination or systems in place that make it hard for us to get to the top. I'm also aware that almost half of men ages 18 to 29, so this Gen Z group, think that there is discrimination against men in American society. But I think Tim Walz actually, wittingly or unwittingly echoes a lot of what I write about in my book, which is not that there needs to be discrimination against men. And actually the best companies I know that have done big DEI efforts have also included efforts to include straight white men and how does it feel to be a straight white man and what can be done to help them. And when we pit men against women, it never really works. We tend to end up being the losers in those situations. So I don't want to end up with more of a fight.

• 46:43Katty Kay?

  But I think what Tim Walz is doing is presenting an alternative view of masculinity where you can be the football coach and you can be the governor of your state. You can be the army reserve officer, but you can also love your kids and show emotion towards your kids and be there for the boys and girls in your life. And I think that

• 47:06Anthony Scaramucci?

  What about hair products and self tanning? Is that okay too for men?

• 47:09Katty Kay?

  So, well, there are clearly a lot of men aged eighteen to twenty nine who feel that orange hair and orange skin is the look that they would like to have. There's one Republican pollster, Christine Matthews, who's described the Trump's Vance ticket as the testosterone ticket, that they've just gone, you know, full on Trump Vance Vance with his view of how life should have been in the nineteen fifty's somehow for men and women is an echo to that idea of men aren't allowed to be men anymore. Men used to be the breadwinners. They used to be their grandfathers were the breadwinners and now, damn it, you know, their wives are anymore. And part of me has not a massive amount of sympathy for that

• 47:51Katty Kay?

  because after centuries of having been, I think, and I think it would be hard to argue that men and white men in particular had not had privilege from the virtue of their birth for centuries. There may be a little bit of over recalibration, but I would say that if I saw the number, if I if you said to me, you know, seventy percent of world leaders are women and sixty percent of CEOs are women and eighty percent of members of Congress and senators are women, I'd say, okay, yeah, we've overcorrected, but it's not the case. And I realize that for individuals, that's hard, but there is, and I think the way to tackle this is not to think, well, women don't need more support to get into those positions, but it's to think, actually, we need to have a think about what manhood

• 48:33Katty Kay?

  looks like and keep those, keep the sports playing, keep the football, keep the coach, keep the army reserve, but as well have a kind of nurture, an ability to care for and nurture members of your family, which actually would help everybody because if men were more involved in housework and in caregiving, of course, women could do better too. But I think it would it would enrich men's lives as well. And I think that's the kind of slightly subtle nuanced thing that Tim Walz represents. And we saw a lot of it with Doug Emhoff at the DNC. Doug Emhoff's speech was that role of a man who is supporting his wife, who's been a very successful lawyer, but stepped down to support his wife, not an easy thing to do. I don't know that that changes the minds of eighteen to twenty nine year olds. Maybe they want what, you know,

• 49:15Katty Kay?

  Vance is offering a 1950s view of what it is to be a man, but I think it's a it's a new view of what masculinity could look like. And if it was sold well, I think certainly appeals to women, which may account for why the female gap has grown so much. But I think it has the potential of appealing to some men, too.

• 49:32Anthony Scaramucci?

  Well, you know, listen, I would say that Trump wins this demographic if we make it about these testosterone-like issues. And I think that, no one's asked me this, but I'll say it here. If I landed from Mars and I witnessed the DNC, I would have said, okay, America is 70% black and 80% women. That's what I would have said. And I get it. I understand what you're doing. I understand the base that you're trying to go after. I understand the healing that has to take place and the need for overcorrection. But I don't want to leave people out. You know, she's got to fortify that and maybe get Governor Walz out there

• 50:17Anthony Scaramucci?

  or other surrogates out there to explain that it may be more macho to vote for her. Maybe she represents something that's actually more steely than Mr. Pushover. Because when he's with Putin, he slumps his body language and says, well, you know, I believe Vladimir Putin. I don't believe our intelligence agents about what took place. Okay, well, come on. First of all, that's insulting to these workhorses in the government. And secondarily, it looks like you're kowtowing that doesn't describe you as animated with testosterone. So they can do better at this, but they're losing this right now. And whether they like it or not, 40% of the American voting population is white male.

• 51:02Anthony Scaramucci?

  It's not the majority anymore, but it's a very relevant voting block and they've got to focus on it.

• 51:08Katty Kay?

  I have another question for you, because the other thing that's happening here is that And this is true not just in the United States, it's true in Europe as well. It's probably true where you are in Australia, I imagine. Young women are becoming more liberal and young men are becoming more conservative. We've looked at the kind of young men and why they might be feeling a little bit that they want to push back against some of the more kind of inclusion efforts that have focused on women and minorities. Why do you think young women are becoming more liberal?

• 51:36Anthony Scaramucci?

  I think it has to do with the reproductive freedom. I also think it's a reaction to the misogyny. I think that one woman tonight, I was at a dinner, I was the guest speaker, and one woman looked over at me and said, when Donald Trump won, I'm an Australian citizen, but I said, oh, wow, there's just so much space for this misogyny. And it's eight years since that electoral success for Mr. Trump, and he's posting misogynistic tweets about Vice President Harris and about Secretary Clinton. And then one of his supporters said to me, well, he didn't write that tweet. Okay, but he reposted it. So therefore, he's claiming authorship on his site by reposting it. It's now becoming something that he's

• 52:19Anthony Scaramucci?

  sanctioning and sponsoring. And so, so to me, if I'm a woman that's concerned about my reproductive freedoms, and I'm a woman that's concerned about my ascension in the world in terms of what my aspirations are, both professionally and domestically, of course, I'm going to be more liberal. How can I not be more liberal? And if a man is feeling that he's being weakened by being neglected by the liberals, I don't know, does Bill Clinton in his heyday have less testosterone than Donald Trump? I mean, come on, give me a break. And so, so the answer is, you've got to recognize that your party,

• 52:59Anthony Scaramucci?

  the party that looks like the beautiful, colorful mosaic of America, and reflects into the needs and interests of that mosaic, is going to do better. Mr. Trump focuses on the white population more than any other. He tries to pretend that he doesn't, but that's what he does. And he thinks that's going to be his base that carries him to the presidency. Vice President Harris has to do something different. She needs that kaleidoscope of people. And a good portion of those people looking at the demographics are white men. And so bring Scott Galloway into your campaign for a day. Hear him out, listen to some of his suggestions and incorporate it into your campaign. And let people know that you're there to be their advocate.

• 53:43Anthony Scaramucci?

  And I think, I think it's something that you can see in the data, Katty. Something that their lack of doing that is being reflected in the data.

• 53:51Katty Kay?

  Yeah, they're going to need to win over. They can't, they must be loving the fact that so many young women are excited by her candidacy, but they can't keep losing young men at the rate that they are.

• 54:01Anthony Scaramucci?

  Is she going to win the election?

• 54:06Katty Kay?

  I hate this. I hate this question. I hate this question. How the hell do I know?

• 54:09Anthony Scaramucci?

  Well, after the Alister thing.

• 54:11Katty Kay?

  I mean, if this is a normal election now, I'd say she's because, so the way she's expanded the map forces him to spend money in states he was not planning to spend money in. And he doesn't have a ton of money as much compared to, he's got a lot of money, but she has raised even more recently. So if it's a money advantage and a get out the vote advantage, then, then I think potentially she squeaks by, by getting a couple of those. But I think it's a squeaker at this point.

• 54:39Anthony Scaramucci?

  All right. So, so I'll make a prediction here before we close out the podcast. It's tight, but we have to give her credit for where she is in terms of where she came from. July 21st was a shocking day for her and her life and her family and her career. And it's now the first week in September. And think about what she's building and think about the coalition that she put together. And think about how effective her convention was on such short notice. And I think in her mind, okay, the election starts on September 10th, and it will carry itself until November the 5th. And I believe that she's going to impress people and expand the map in a way. That's going to surprise people.

• 55:22Katty Kay?

  Very nice.

• 55:23Anthony Scaramucci?

  And of course, we'll be doing a post-debate livestream. Thought I'd point that out, right, Katty?

• 55:28Katty Kay?

  Yes.

• 55:29Anthony Scaramucci?

  Next week, we've got the first Harris-Trump debate on September the 10th. And that's 1 a.m. in the U.K. And we'll be going live on YouTube immediately after. If I'm wearing a suit, you know that I'm at a funeral, somebody's funeral. If I'm wearing one of my T-shirts, it means it was probably just a neutral debate. But we'll let you know by what I'm deciding to wear after the debate.

• 55:50Katty Kay?

  Yeah, and then it'll go up on our regular podcast feed when you wake up on Wednesday morning. So come and watch that. Just search The Rest Is Politics U.S. on YouTube. I'm not going to ask you to subscribe because you're all doing such an amazing job of subscribing on YouTube that I'm going to lay off the haranguing this week. So thank you to all of you who have subscribed. If you haven't and you feel like doing so, we'd love you to, but totally up to you. Thank you for listening to The Rest Is Politics U.S.

• 56:16Anthony Scaramucci?

  That is so British, okay? An American would say, "Get over to YouTube right now and subscribe to my podcast."

• 56:25Katty Kay?

  Yeah, for the last few weeks, I've been channeling my inner wannabe Wall Street executive. And now I decided, you know, we needed a change of sales pitch.

• 56:34Anthony Scaramucci?

  You're like an institutional salesman at one of the top five brokerage houses. But just get out there and subscribe to the thing. Come on, guys, help us out.

• 56:40Katty Kay?

  I'm Katty Kay. Thanks so much for listening.

• 56:41Anthony Scaramucci?

  And I'm Anthony Scaramucci. We'll see you next week. Thanks again.