30: Dumbest Teens Ever Laugh at Attempted Murder Charges | Isabelle Valdez & Lois Lippert

In Seminole County, Florida, an anonymous tip set off an investigation that quickly escalated from a possible school threat into something far more disturbing. At the center of it all were 15-year-old Isabelle Valdez and her friend Lois Lippert, two teens investigators soon discovered were connected to a chilling plan already in motion. What made the case even more unsettling was a disturbing obsession tied to Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza, which appeared to shape the way Isabelle viewed everything. When Isabelle and Lois were confronted, their calm and detached reactions only deepened the unease. As surveillance footage and recorded conversations revealed more of their mindset, the story grew darker, raising questions that went far beyond what anyone expected when that first tip came in…. If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. .🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.🌸Spring Merch is HERE!🌸Shop now at https://annieelise.com/collections/shop-all .📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [email protected].📚 Episode Sources ABC News | CBS6 Albany | ClickOrlando | KATV | Law & Crime | Oxygen | WESH | WFTV••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 1:02Speaker 01

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• 1:03Speaker 02

  Same jail?

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Yeah! He was touching me, but... This is such a bonding experience. I love it! I think, in my dreams, he told me that he wanted me to kill him. So I think it's only fair.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  I don't feel that he's some action, but I feel guilty on how you would feel. It's a lot of young [BLEEP] here.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  You do this to your finger, you gotta stand up with your hands behind your back.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  Wait, I do the 6'7" behind my back. 6'7"?

• 1:41Speaker 02

  I need to fart.

• 1:44Annie Elise?

  Hey, everybody. So the case that we're gonna be talking about today is one that I knew that I needed to jump on here, share with you, talk through it with you, try to make sense of it, and just figure out what the heck is going on. It is like nothing we've ever seen before. There are some similarities to other cases that we've covered, cases like Skylar Neese, the Slenderman stabbings, and very disturbing cases like that. I mean, think very disturbed teenage girls and murderous teens. And that's the route it goes down. But with this case, it really is the newly released body cam footage that makes it so not only unique, but chilling.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Wait, they went to his phone? No, they're going to go to his phone!

• 2:29Annie Elise?

  Now that short video clip that you just saw without any context, it's enough to confuse anybody, right? If I had no idea about the case that we're talking about today, I would probably see that clip and think, oh, those two knew someone who maybe was a cop. He let them in the back of their squad car for a few minutes. They seem like they're having the time of their life, being like, oh, my gosh, this is such a bonding experience. Like, I can't believe we get to go on this ride along. Da, da, da, da, da. However, I actually know the context of this case, and I know that that is not what that reaction was, you know, stemming from, because the truth is that wasn't just a couple of teenage girls having fun. I mean, yes, they were having fun and they were messing around, but those were two teenage girls who were being accused

• 3:12Annie Elise?

  of a very, very dark crime, one that you might not expect. And we are going to go through all of it. We have gotten our hands on so much of the footage, which I'm going to play here for you today. We are going to talk through journal entries, notes left behind, sacrifices, all sorts of things. It is highly disturbing, though, so I want to give you a little bit of a warning. Just, you know, be warned, okay? So for those of you who are brand new, checking out this channel for the first time, welcome. My name is Annie Elise. This is 10 to Life, where we talk all things true crime all the time. Hit the like button, hit the subscribe button, and let's get into it.

• 4:01Annie Elise?

  Now, really quickly, before we get into the episode, I do want to share with you, spring merch is officially here, but quantities are very limited. So you're going to want to snag it now before it sells out. It sold out last time very quickly. And this is the first time we have merch back in for, gosh, almost a year now, maybe? So head to AnnieElise.com right now, secure your goods, and can't wait to see what your favorite is this time. The case we're going to be covering today is out of Seminole County, Florida. Now, on the night of January 22nd, 2026, at around 11:30 PM, an anonymous tip came through on the Fortify Florida app. Now, if you aren't familiar with this app, this app is basically, I truly believe it is one of the best apps out there, and I think every county, every school should have it.

• 4:44Annie Elise?

  But it's where you can submit these anonymous tips. It gets passed along to law enforcement, and then they are able to follow up and investigate. And this particular tip was warning the Lake Brantley High School officials that they feared that a student at their high school was going to brutally murder another student the following day during school hours on campus. Now, the tipster had mentioned that the person that they were concerned about was someone named Jimmy. And part of the tip reads, quote, "He's going to kill someone we know from school by the name of Redacted." He stated that he would do it tomorrow. This happened just a couple of hours ago. I have a great suspicion that he would do this as he already had been recently involved

• 5:26Annie Elise?

  with police officers at school about threats that we've been getting toward our school. He knows the people who have made the threats and the cops are also aware of this. He had also told me earlier today that the cops had confiscated his phone as they got another threat, which apparently was one of the reasons why he wants to do something like this. So obviously, this was concerning and it was something that needed to be looked into, right? I mean, we live in a pretty scary day and age where every threat holds plenty of weight all on its own, but especially when it has something to do with schools and minors being in danger. So the police were able to quickly identify the person that this tipster was concerned about, but it wasn't somebody named Jimmy. It was a 15-year-old girl named Isabel Valdez.

• 6:10Annie Elise?

  I will say, some reports indicate and report that Isabel is transgender and that Isabel goes by Jimmy, but most of the reporting does refer to her as Isabel for now. So that's what I will refer to them as, as Isabel, but the tipster used the name Jimmy. Now, like the tipster had mentioned, Isabel was no stranger to law enforcement. She was already being investigated for making swatting calls to another student on three different occasions. And if you're not familiar with swatting, that's basically, if you've ever seen those videos, it's where the FBI will like literally storm your house and put you on the ground and they have guns drawn and it's incredibly scary and it's a false call saying that somebody's either in danger or poses a threat.

• 6:53Annie Elise?

  And usually it's the FBI and the SWAT team that comes, that's why it's called swatting. And it's horrific. It is one of the scariest things ever and a lot of people do this as prank. But it got so bad in 2020 that I remember people had to put signs on their doors saying, "I don't have any weapons in this house. If you are here for a swatting call, like, "I'm happy to cooperate" because it was becoming so frightening. So apparently Isabel was already doing this to other students, which if I've never been swatted, thank God. I think it has to be probably one of the most traumatizing situations to ever go through. Not only as an adult, where I would be terrified now, but especially as a child. So she had done this reportedly to another student on three different occasions,

• 7:35Annie Elise?

  and one of those being the very same day that they were now receiving this tip about her killing another student. So she was busy, needless to say. Now, what's interesting about this investigation is that on the night that the police received this tip, they actually went to Isabel's house and they spoke to her. They asked if she knew or had any contact with the person named in the tip, the person the tipster claimed that she was going to kill, and her response to both of those questions was no. And actually Isabel kind of gaslighted these officers too, kind of like, "You guys have my phone from the other investigation, so how would I have even been able to contact him? Like, what are you talking about?" So, I don't know, at that point, I guess they just took her word for it.

• 8:17Annie Elise?

  They didn't cancel school the following day. They didn't do any sort of follow-up, nothing like that. Which up until this point, you might be thinking, okay, well, why are we even talking about this case? It seems like it's all just a false alarm that this tipster got the wrong name perhaps, the wrong information, they didn't like, she, this girl was already being looked into for other stuff, like, what's going on here? However, it wasn't until the next day, on January 23rd, when things really started to hit the fan in this case. Because during the school hours, the investigators decided that they still needed to look into Isabel. So they pulled her out of class, and that is when she started confessing to everything. The investigators asked her if she felt like harming herself or harming others, and her response was yes.

• 9:00Annie Elise?

  Then she did something pretty bold and kind of surprising, in my opinion. She took the lead in the conversation. And she told the investigators that she had a handwritten letter that she was going to give to her parents after murdering this other student. Isabel also claimed that inside her backpack were multiple different things that were needed to carry out this perfect murder. Knives, gloves, trash bags, wipes, a murderer's kit. And just in case for any reason, these officers thought that maybe she was bluffing or exaggerating. Isabel opened up her backpack. She grabbed the white trash bag that was inside of it and pulled it out. And she handed it right over to the investigators. And it all it took was one very quick peek inside this bag. And that told the investigators all they needed to know.

• 9:44Annie Elise?

  She wasn't lying about what she had brought with her. All of that kit, those, you know, the weapons, the cleanup, everything was right there in her backpack. So after handing over these weapons and the equipment, Isabel then proceeded to tell the investigators exactly what she was planning to a T. Because keep in mind, up until this point, nobody knew that there was even a plan, let alone what it was, just that one of the students at the school was potentially in danger and that Isabel was involved. But they didn't know what the exact details of this plan were. So this student who was the target is redacted in all of the court documents. I have seen the name out there, but obviously I'm not going to mention that in here. He's a minor, his privacy deserves to be kept that way.

• 10:26Annie Elise?

  So what I will say is what we do know is that he was a male student at Isabel's school. So Isabel's plan was to wait in one of the upstairs bathrooms at the school until this student came in alone. She was then going to grab him, throw him into one of the stalls and stab him to death. And I believe she was even quoted saying she was either going to stab him multiple times in the stomach or she would slit his throat. But she was quote undecided, which obviously the situation is not funny at all. It is highly disturbing. It is highly scary. But the ignorance in Isabel's plan and the thought process behind all of it, that is a little bizarre and not funny, but kind of like what?

• 11:09Annie Elise?

  Because she also claimed that she knew that she was going to be caught. It's not like she was planning this and she had a getaway plan and she was going to frame someone or she was going to make it look like an accident. She said she knew that she was going to do this. She knew that she was going to get And that afterward, her plan was to smoke a cigarette in the bathroom before leaving. She even brought a cigarette and a lighter to school. And so she said, yeah, I just wanted to smoke before being sent off to jail. She also claimed that she had flowers that she was going to bring to his funeral after killing him, which I've heard mixed reports. One being that it was going to be, the flowers were going to be brought to his funeral, which if you thought you were going to jail right away, I don't know how you would even attend the funeral.

• 11:48Annie Elise?

  But then I also saw reports that she was bringing flowers to sprinkle on his body in the bathroom stall after she killed him as like some sort of ritual type thing. So I don't know which is exactly the exact truth, but flowers were certainly involved, especially because I don't know if 15 year olds really comprehend that funerals don't take place immediately after a murder. It takes days, sometimes weeks. So I don't know how she thought she was, yeah, going to do that if she was going to jail. But anyway. So Isabel's reasoning for this whole thing, this whole sinister plan of her murdering a classmate is where things start to get even more twisted.

• 12:26Annie Elise?

  Though she claimed that this plan was perfect. So apparently she felt like the kid that she was going to kill resembled the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, Adam Lanza. But it wasn't because this kid resembled a murderer and she wanted to wipe him out because of what Adam did and what Adam did was so evil. And he, you know, he resembles him, he's got to be eliminated as well. It wasn't like that at all. In fact, you could argue that she, not even argue, you could say that she liked that he looked like Adam, that he resembled him. Because the truth was she admired Adam so much so that she believed that the voices in her head were telling her the truth when they allegedly told her

• 13:05Annie Elise?

  that if she sacrificed the student that she was planning on killing, that she and the real Adam would create a blood pact. And he would be brought back to life. Pretty bizarre stuff, right? And this is where I say it's kind of giving the Slenderman aspect a little bit here because if you remember the Morgan Geyser and Peyton and the Slenderman stabbings, it was Slenderman's a fictitious character where Adam is obviously real, but these two girls were. Trying to appease Slender Man, this haunted, like, tall, super skinny, like, scary figure. I think he, like, lives in the woods or cemeteries and has, like, a castle or whatever. And they thought that by sacrificing their friend, it would be, you know, offering up something to Slender Man

• 13:47Annie Elise?

  so they would be safe and also be able to live in his palace or whatever. So this is why I keep using that word, very disturbed and disturbing, because she truly thought that she could bring Adam back from the dead and that they would then have a blood bond and be connected. And what is also so bizarre with that, that I just want to say, Isabel is 15 years old, right? So when Sandy Hook happened, that was in the early 2010s. She would have been in diapers, more than likely. I haven't done the exact math, but very, very young. So it's not like this is someone that she witnessed all of, you know, his doings. And not that that would make it any better. That would actually arguably, I don't even know if that would make it worse. So it would make it still very bad. But like, it's not like this happened within her lifetime. I mean, yes, but you know what I mean?

• 14:31Annie Elise?

  It's not like, where for us, when we, well, I don't know how old you are watching this. But for me, when 9/11 happened, I was in high school. And so I was old enough to comprehend and understand what was happening to where it's not like she knew all of that. This is someone she would have had to learn about in her history books or someone she would have had to research. That's like me making a drawback to like the 40s or something like that and becoming so hyper fixated on a monster from back in that time period that right now I'm like, okay, you know, I'm going to sacrifice someone and I'm going to bring that person back from the dead and we're going to have a blood bond. It's like, what? What? Like, what's going on here? So after giving all this information, Isabel just sat there, looking completely unbothered.

• 15:14Annie Elise?

  And honestly, even a little bored, which you would have thought that she was just waiting to go to lunch or something, have break, go out with her friends, but she just seemed bored as all hell.

• 15:41Speaker 05

  Hey Brittany, um, do you know our bachelors? No.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  Sorry, yes.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Isabel?

• 15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 15:51Speaker 03

  You do me a favor, do I stand up with your hands behind your back?

• 16:06Speaker 03

  Just gonna tighten these just a little bit, okay? Don't move. You start pushing your hands, they'll get real tight on you. Okay, so just move your hands.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  You alright?

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  You need me to loosen all of them? Which one?

• 16:21Speaker 02

  No, it's okay, it's just, I gotta like, step to the side of the thing.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  Just come on out this way. Out, out this way?

• 16:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, just that way.

• 16:38Annie Elise?

  Now before the police took Isabel away, she told them one very last important detail. She had told her best friend, fourteen-year-old Lois Lippert, everything. Her exact plan, who she was going to kill, why she was going to kill him, how she was going to kill him. In fact, she even handed over a phone that she claimed was Lois's, which, I guess it was an extra phone that Lois had loaned her, because remember, the investigators had taken hers for the, all the swatting things? And she told the investigators, you know, "Go ahead, text Lois and tell her that I've been caught." Which, the nerve of this kid alone is insane. I mean, that's not how things work. You can't just instruct the police officers on what to do and how to do it when you're the one being arrested.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Have they explained what's going on? You coming? Have they explained to you? So unfortunately, you are under arrest. Yes.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  You're being charged with attempted first-degree murder. Okay? Um, and that's premeditated. Uh, you're gonna be transported to jail, and then you'll be able to get in contact with your parents here, okay? But we are gonna call your parents, so let them know what's going on. Yeah. Okay?

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• 18:28Annie Elise?

  Now, because of Lois's knowledge and involvement in not only knowing about the crime, but also lending Isabel her phone, she was also on the hook for this attempted murder as well. She was actually being interviewed and handcuffed in a separate room at the exact same time that Isabel was. Because think about it, even if she was not going to go into the bathroom stall with Isabel and do the stabbing herself, she not only had knowledge of it and didn't report it, but she also gave her a phone to help her follow through with her plan and then notify her when she was done. She was an accessory. That was the truth. And that's where it also starts to give not only the Slenderman thing again, but Skylar Nice, if you're familiar with that case, where the two girls got together and they wanted to have this like bond with one another.

• 19:12Annie Elise?

  And I say bond, that's a very important word here, because we're going to get to that shortly. They wanted to bond with one another and kill their friend. And they even had said like, "We're going to go on three and we're going to..." What did they say? Like, "We're going to go ballistic on her." And it is one of the most god-awful crimes that I have ever heard of. And anytime you hear of these adolescent girls who have so much hatred in them and danger and sinister thoughts, it's truly unnerving. So my point being that Lois knew all about this and did nothing to notify authorities to stop Isabel, to try to talk her out of it. So she was just as equally on the hook. So, after cuffing both of them, the investigators decided that they needed to get them both back to the station for multiple different reasons.

• 19:55Annie Elise?

  I mean, obviously, they needed to get them away from the school, even if they were cuffed, but they also had to now get them to the station. They needed to call their parents. They needed to start putting them through the loop, doing everything they needed to do. So that is when we see Isabel and Lois together for the first time. They're being escorted out of the high school together. And again, neither one of them are panicking. They aren't sobbing, they aren't telling the officers, you know, you got it all wrong. We're innocent, like, we weren't really gonna actually go through with it. They just have their chins held high and they couldn't seem to care less.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  I don't think so, we got them. Do you have a search gun?

• 20:34Speaker 05

  For a search, or no?

• 20:35Speaker 03

  Yes, please.

• 20:40Speaker 05

  Your husband, we gotta kiss him?

• 20:44Speaker 03

  That's it. Did you work it?

• 21:18Speaker 03

  Did you find it still on the list?

• 21:43Speaker 03

  Check on you real quick.

• 21:45Speaker 05

  I'm just gonna check your door, the front office. I'm gonna check if you've done, had a down by the store. Because you're getting the back of the car, I have to search you again. Do you have anything hidden on you that may have been missed? Look. Okay. If they find something that's hidden, that we don't find, you may get an extra charge with the gas. So we should be okay with that, okay?

• 22:09Speaker 03

  For the ball? Yeah. Four minutes? Four minutes? Oh, sorry.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Hey, once we at least get them in the car, we'll go back and get their bags. Do you mean you stand by here while you drive grab the bags?

• 22:36Speaker 00

  The church said it's evidence.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  Oh, they're taking the bags as evidence?

• 22:40Speaker 00

  You said hers. Both of them?

• 22:46Speaker 03

  So they don't need their boot bags?

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Soon as the report arrives. Just if you... Just soon transfer. Okay. Um, I'm rounding out the century early, so we're not the church. There's a narrative that's in it right now, but it's just the first contact. Well, just tell them.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  Um, you got the Sally Port info? Like the website?

• 23:44Speaker 00

  On my computer.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, can you start working on that?

• 23:49Speaker 03

  Is that better? And they're, um, they're both in the report already.

• 23:55Annie Elise?

  Now, I don't know that you all caught what was said in the beginning of that clip, because the officer whose body cam we just watched was behind everyone. However, you can hear the girls giggling and laughing about something. And I'm gonna show you another body cam, this time from one of the officers who was a bit closer. Take a listen.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  One minute.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  For a search, you know?

• 24:21Speaker 03

  Yes, please.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  We're gonna kiss them?

• 24:28Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 24:30Annie Elise?

  You can easily, very easily, hear them saying hi to one another, hey to one another, and like talking, but what I'm more stuck on is that at least to me, it definitely sounds like they are talking about kissing someone. And I can't tell if it's Isabel and it's her saying, "We're gonna kiss them," or something like that, referring to the officers who have them handcuffed, or maybe if Lois is saying something about them being best friends and then Isabel said like, "We're gonna kiss them," like referring to one another, but there was something weird about this exchange, at least to me. I don't know. Guys, I honestly don't know. All I know is they are being arrested for attempted murder, and I'm hearing the word "kiss" very clearly followed by giggles, like this is one of the funniest things to have ever happened to them. So, I'm definitely curious to know

• 25:13Annie Elise?

  what you guys think you hear. Maybe I'm completely wrong and I'm hearing something totally different, so feel free to comment below and let me know what you think Isabel was saying and if she was saying something different. Now, as crazy as this all might seem, we haven't even gotten to the crazy parts yet. Now, for whatever reason, the officers decided to transport Lois and Isabel in the back of the same cop car, and this was a major mistake. Not because they tried to make a run for it, or tried to escape, or tried to pull a Letitia Stalk and chuck a Monster can at somebody's head, but because it gave them the time to laugh about the whole thing together even more. As soon as Lois gets in the car, they start laughing about how the cops were going to go through the victim's

• 25:53Annie Elise?

  phone. And for whatever reason, the two of them, they just thought that it was hilarious.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Wait, they went to his phone? No, they're going to go through his phone.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  What are you doing here?

• 26:18Annie Elise?

  There was only one moment that they didn't find so funny during this whole car ride. And that is when Lois told Isabel, who had snitched on them, as they called it. That's so funny now, was it?

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Gonna be arrested too. What? Yes, I told him he knew. He didn't report me. I told him already. He did a tip?

• 26:39Speaker 07

  There was a tip, there was a tip shown. Did you not see it?

• 26:42Speaker 02

  No?

• 26:42Speaker 07

  Some tipped.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Snitch.

• 26:46Speaker 07

  I mean, why wouldn't tell the police that he did a tip though?

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 26:50Speaker 07

  Please, he did a tip though. Cause that, it was anonymous tip. I was just assuming it was by the writing.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:56Speaker 07

  Just like-

• 26:57Speaker 02

  It was?

• 26:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Oh my ****. God, I knew I shouldn't have told him. Cause he was like, "Oh, can you please tell me I can't sleep tonight?" ****. God!

• 27:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, I got shown a tip and it was like, "Uh, my friend, uh, fifteen year old, uh, named, uh, he goes by Jimmy, is going, planning to ****." Yeah, and it was like, I don't really remember their real name, but I think it was-

• 27:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, it was spelled wrong too, so.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  God, she's such a **** snitch.

• 27:32Speaker 07

  That's immediately who I thought when I saw it.

• 27:36Speaker 07

  Tip, yeah.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  So stupid.

• 27:43Annie Elise?

  But that moment of seriousness, it didn't last long at all. Maybe a minute, maybe at most. And then they went right back to laughing together and talking about the whole experience of getting arrested together. Like it was some kind of pretend game and that they would get to go back home that evening and get back to life as usual. I don't know if they didn't realize the severity of it, or if they just didn't care about the severity of it.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  So cold in my room. I know. Dude, they had me sitting there and I was so, dude, they took away my chocolate. No! I was able to eat like a part of it, like a part of the big bar. Oh my god. But it was not safe.

• 28:23Speaker 07

  We really, damn it. Ah, bro, I wanted to come back to second period so I could have like nibbled off some with you. I was like, that was my main goal. Dude, they pulled up the security cameras and stuff and I got to see us fucking out. I saw. Yeah. That was the first time I've ever seen, I was actually, I wanted to see so much more. I was like, whoa, look, I'm on the cameras there.

• 28:44Speaker 07

  It was so cool. I was like, damn, I forget that there's just like videos. Yeah. Like that. I like the little, the right.

• 28:53Annie Elise?

  Truthfully, my opinion, I don't think they have any remorse for the situation at all. For what they were going to do, for the time that the investigators invested into solving the case, none of that. But not only that, they also don't seem to just take it very seriously at all. And just wait until you hear what they have to say next.

• 29:15Speaker 06

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• 29:49Speaker 07

  Not a school shooting, at least. We'd be in prison for life. Yeah.

• 29:55Annie Elise?

  At least I'm not a school shooter. We'd be in prison for life, for sure. Like, what? What? You don't realize that first degree murder, if they had succeeded in killing their victim, would also end the same way?

• 30:11Speaker 07

  Gosh.

• 30:12Annie Elise?

  Gosh. Ow.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  I moved my hands. Ow.

• 30:17Speaker 07

  These are lucky more comfortable than last.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  It'll make it hurt, gotta keep it still.

• 30:21Speaker 07

  These are more comfortable than.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  To stay still.

• 30:24Speaker 07

  God. These are more comfortable than the last car I was in, police car. I was, I had my things behind my back, but I had it like really bad. I had to like go into like crazy positions to feel uncomfortable and he was an hour long car ride.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Dude, last time, they only had, they didn't even put me in handcuffs, they just took me. And they let me take my stuff too. I was able to take like some of my my low ponies, my plush and my phone.

• 30:48Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  And then they took my phone away, they took all of my stuff away. Cause I was like, you can't have this in there. So I was like, okay, whatever.

• 30:55Speaker 07

  I was like, yeah, I was, I don't think I had anything on me, but I got my uh shirt taken away.

• 31:01Speaker 07

  Cause I, no, I think it like went off the sleeve a little bit.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 31:04Speaker 07

  And I guess that wasn't allowed.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 31:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, frisky risk.

• 31:08Annie Elise?

  Then they start joking about the relationship that they will have in prison together. Like two people in trouble for the same crime would be allowed to be all buddy buddy together in prison. Which for this, it's almost like maybe they were watching Orange is the New Black and they thought that they would have like this great friendship, best friendship, even maybe who knows, relationship in prison together, but that's obviously not the reality.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  We're gonna become one of those lesbian couples left in jail?

• 31:32Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah, and you could be the.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Yes, hey, hey, this is my, stay away.

• 31:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Ooh, you trying to look good for your mugshot?

• 31:47Speaker 07

  Oh, am I gonna get a mugshot?

• 31:49Speaker 02

  What, we're going to jail, what do you think?

• 31:50Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, that's crazy.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Dude, I was gonna do my makeup this morning for the mugshot, but I couldn't find anything.

• 31:57Speaker 07

  I'm glad I don't actually look too bad today.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  I look horrible. It's over.

• 32:02Speaker 07

  And don't worry, you don't need, I'm, don't worry, you're the, it doesn't matter if you look.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  Hey, at least they're gonna see, they were gonna see me somewhere or another in the mugshot.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Dude, we're supposed to spread our story around the TCC though. Hey, oh, these are two [BLEEP] in Florida that I couldn't do. They're do not, do not, to put this in the internet, this was out, did you do not work it. You help me get materials. Yeah. You are gonna see the photos.

• 32:32Annie Elise?

  Then Isabel brings up the note that she wrote to her parents. And she asks Lois if she wrote a note to her parents as well.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  Like, he's probably gonna be, like, he's gotta be told, like, you can't, they can't. He, they're gonna, I wrote him a note, and I was like, yeah, I'm not guilty for my actions, but, no, I was like, I don't feel guilty for my actions, but I feel guilty on how you were gonna feel, because honestly, I don't [BLEEP] care. You know, I should at least try.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  But I did write a note to my parents. Did they like, you write one? You should have asked.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  They said, if you're able to contact my parents when we get there. Me too. I haven't talked to my parents yet. I don't even know if my parents know what's going on. They don't. They haven't come in either. Well, at least that's. My mom's gonna be yelling at me through the phone, "What are you gonna do? What are you trying to [BLEEP]?" I think my mom's gonna be okay.

• 33:29Annie Elise?

  So let's just all take a second, really quickly, to go over this note. Because I actually have the note that Isabel wrote right here. Isabel writes, "Dear Mama and Papa, I'm sorry for what I'm gonna do. Hopefully you will find this paper. I want you guys to know that none of it is your fault, or anyone else's in that matter. I chose to do this by myself, for myself and Adam Lanza. They told me that Adam would come back to speak to me if I did this for him. Adam Lanza wanted it. I think it's a fair and beautiful sense of devotion on my behalf. I love Adam Lanza. We're soulmates, just waiting to be reunited once more. I want you guys to know that you were the most perfect parents ever. I'm sorry I could not be a better child.

• 34:13Annie Elise?

  I've known that there's been something wrong with me since I was a little kid. I just never showed it, and I'm sorry. I was never really shy. I just hated people, and I..." I was aware of how disgusting everyone is. Being forced to talk was torture. I pretended to be a socialite to make you guys happy because I loved seeing you guys happy. It was one of the only things that made me happy. Over the years, I've just lost control over myself and my emotions. Whenever I told someone I hated you guys, it was a pure lie. I'm sorry for hurting you and I deserve what's coming for me as I am also disgusting, cruel and useless. I need a pretty loaded note, right? Now, obviously, this letter is a very different side of Isabel,

• 34:56Annie Elise?

  especially from the version of her in the cop car saying that she doesn't actually, quote, "give a fuck about being in trouble or what she was going to do." And I find it interesting, too, that she has not empathy for her parents, but care for her parents, say, "I love you. You were always the best parents. I'm sorry I couldn't be better. I loved seeing you happy." To where it shows that she is capable of genuine, positive emotions. It's not like she's just this kid who's dark behind the eyes, is completely dark, has no, like, care or regard or love for anyone. I think that she does, which makes this, again, even more disturbing. So, anyway, back to this dreadful car ride, unlike anything I've ever witnessed in my life before.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Hello.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  There was another car behind us. Huh? Another police car behind us. Of course, not that dangerous. What am I supposed to do? Dude, they had me going out to the bathroom and they had this lady standing in the stall and they had like two other people. In the stall? No, not in the... Yeah, one of them was standing in the stall. The other two were outside waiting. You think I'm gonna be able to [BLEEP]? I got too scared to ask her to go to the bathroom. I love the sounds of God. I only went like twice because they searched me every time and they made me take my shoes and my socks off. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't ask them to do all that.

• 36:12Annie Elise?

  And then again, we see the two of them talking about prison and also the way that they think it's all gonna go down, which no doubt it has to be influenced from the movies and TV shows. Like I said earlier, this situation and what they are being arrested for is so serious, obviously, but the way that they're talking about their mug shots even in this next clip, it kind of made me laugh from shock more than anything else. Watch.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  You gonna bend over and cough for me? Bend over and cough for you? Yeah, that's what... Is that what they do at a... Yeah, and they look at your [BLEEP] to see if anything comes up.

• 36:52Speaker 07

  Wait, did they do that to you?

• 36:54Speaker 02

  I don't know, I haven't gone to jail!

• 36:56Speaker 07

  Oh, jail, yeah, I thought you meant at the... The stalls, or something. Think I'll be able to fix my hair? Or you think I'll be in prison handcuffs?

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, still handcuffs.

• 37:07Speaker 07

  Really? But don't you gotta put up like that, uh, number thing?

• 37:11Speaker 02

  I think that's only in shows.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  So stupid.

• 37:15Speaker 07

  My hair's not too bad.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  It's mildly showy. Did I ask my mom to do it last night? And she was like, "No." "Mom, if you'd been where I was doing it, you would've done it for me to make me all look all pretty for my mugshot."

• 37:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  God.

• 37:30Speaker 07

  Glad I dyed my hair beforehand.

• 37:31Annie Elise?

  These clips, to me, genuinely feel like a bad SNL skit or something. Because there is no way that people actually are thinking and acting like that. There has gotta be no way. And honestly, this next clip is now also where I started to get a little bit pissed off, I'm not gonna lie. Because these two frickin' brats aren't taking any of it seriously. Like, you can threaten and plan to murder someone and all will be well. Lois even goes on and is bragging about how she's not that involved and how she's gonna be out in no time. Which isn't at all true, first of all. I mean, Lois didn't just know about the murder that Isabel was planning to execute. She also, in addition to giving her the phone and not reporting it,

• 38:13Annie Elise?

  she also reportedly helped sharpen the 12-inch blade that was going to be used on the student. So, to me, that is just as bad as being the one to stab him. And that's something that she eventually even admitted to out loud in this car ride. Just idiotic, and we love to see it, we love to see dumb criminals, but here we go. The audacity that these two have is truly insane.

• 38:39Speaker 07

  Oh, no, cause like, well, I'm probably not gonna like... Like, I... My, my involvement's not that long, so I'll be, I'll be out before you. And probably not even good life to go to the office. I'm gonna, my parents are gonna get me as long as I can. Mike?

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, but...

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Young lady, what's your name?

• 38:59Speaker 07

  Which one?

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Uh, Isabel Valdez.

• 39:03Speaker 03

  Isabel what?

• 39:03Speaker 02

  Valdez.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  Okay, alright, and yours, young lady?

• 39:07Speaker 07

  Uh, Lois Lippert.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Dude, I should've got my diagnoses before this. I was, I was, I've been, uh, talking, I've been talking about that being like, yeah, you know what? I should've just like, if I had something, like, actually

• 39:21Speaker 02

  get my diagnosis. I should've done, I should've got it, what happened, then I would have like, uh, some, some sort of thing to clean up.

• 39:29Annie Elise?

  These two kids don't have a clue about the real world. They don't have a clue about the consequences, but trust me, they're about to find out real soon. Especially since this entire debriefing conversation is on camera. Which, take a listen to what Isabel says. Remember, the girl who had just claimed that she was hearing voices telling her to kill in order to bring back Adam.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Dude, I thought I was gonna get sent to the psych ward, that's why I was so excited about everything. Think I would be so jolly if I was going to jail?

• 40:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was kinda assuming you, they were wording it like you were gonna go to psych ward.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  I know. But I shouldn't have told them all this like, they, okay, so, I was there and then they were asking me about the swatting incident that happened. And, um,

• 40:17Speaker 02

  I was, I started crying because I thought she was gonna feel bad. Like, and sent me to the psych ward, cuz I was like, I thought if I was hurting someone. Yeah, I thought about hurting this boy, but then they saw through my

• 40:30Annie Elise?

  I mean, their defense teams don't stand a chance after these videos. So now, we've heard about the plan. We had heard about the letters, and in this clip that you're about to watch next, Lois and Isabel start talking about drawings. And I'll let you listen to what they have to say before explaining what those drawings are a little bit more, because I think it's important to have the context.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  And then they pulled out the bag from my backpack. I had to tell them everything that was inside. They didn't know, um, they also saw the drawings.

• 41:02Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, I told them, I told them about that, I told them like, yeah, I did some weird draws.

• 41:08Speaker 07

  I didn't actually tell the full thing till like 10:30, I think.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, they made me tell everything that was in the drawings.

• 41:15Speaker 07

  Oh, can you remind me of the drawings, let me just know what they went through?

• 41:20Speaker 07

  Did they comment on it? They were like, "This is really good."

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, they said, "You're quite the artist." And I was like, "No, that's my friend Lois's."

• 41:30Annie Elise?

  These drawings, done by Lois, were supposed to depict the victim and Isabel. Some of the pictures showed Isabel grabbing him. Some showed him on the ground next to Isabel bleeding out. Some were almost even sexual in nature. Which, my biggest question in all of this is, how freaking long is this drive to the police station from the school? I mean, the way that these two are just like, cutting it up and telling on themselves more and more, giving more and more details by the minute. If I were the cops, I would just keep driving in circles. I would just keep going, be like, "Keep spilling, keep spilling." Like, "We want to know everything, keep going."

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Hey, my sister goes to therapy over here.

• 42:07Speaker 07

  Oh, really?

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Hey, Mama, I'm gonna see the police car. She's gonna be like, "Damn." And then when I call her, "Hey, Mama, there's me. Is that police car? You see me?"

• 42:18Speaker 07

  I'm there with you. I don't...

• 42:21Speaker 07

  Yo, I'm so sad. This is falling off. Why? Because I'm getting sweaty.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Um...

• 42:27Speaker 07

  Proof?

• 42:28Speaker 02

  Oh!

• 42:29Speaker 07

  I'm gonna take it off now!

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Oh, this is much more comfortable.

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• 43:16Annie Elise?

  So as they get closer to the station, neither one of them is getting more nervous about what's about to happen. They aren't anxious about what their parents will think or how much time they're going to spend in prison. Nothing like that. Instead, they just talk about how they should have killed the kid in the morning so that the investigators didn't intercept them before they could get the job done. That is what they cared about.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  I should have done it in the morning.

• 43:40Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Dude, he was right there. I was following behind him.

• 43:51Speaker 07

  Because no, they came back, I told them like, you know, important stuff. And then, and then they came back, they were like, "I'm getting really pissed off, you're not telling me everything." I'm like, "I swear, I didn't even, I just only remember." So I had to like, sit there for like a few minutes, like just trying to remember every and every little detail and I was like, "Oh, there are these damages on a manzo."

• 44:13Speaker 02

  I should, dude, I had to, I like forgot what to say halfway through my interview.

• 44:18Speaker 07

  That's what I was me for the most of the interview.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:21Speaker 07

  Well, actually like half the interview was me being just like silent and not doing it because I was hoping like, I can just cling on to, uh, you have the right to remain silent. But luckily it didn't, that didn't really work.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  I know because like, with, oh, they're gonna use against me in court. "Hey, why you have these rights of this little boy?" "Oh, sorry."

• 44:42Speaker 07

  You're not a little boy, he's older than you.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  No, he's that, well, oh yeah.

• 44:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's older than you, it's not some little boy, you know, they can't use, they can't say, "It's the little boy, this older boy, this older boy who is abusing me."

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I think, uh, in my dreams, he told me that he wanted me to kill him. So I think it's only fair, you know?

• 45:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, oh my god, I almost laughed and I almost beat myself.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Dude, uh, when they were interviewing me for the swatting, they kept on saying, "This dude, um, this dude [BLEEP] tenth love Diddy." And I kept on saying, "Diddy," I laughed. And I felt so bad because I was like, "This isn't nothing to laugh about," but I kept on fucking laughing and they kept on saying, "Six, seven."

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Oh, I laughed.

• 45:32Speaker 07

  Why six, seven?

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Dude, because they were talking about like my grades and stuff, like when they first started. They were like, "Yeah, was this in sixth or seventh grade?" Wait, I did a six, seven behind my back. "Sixth, seventh?"

• 45:48Speaker 07

  Your stomach will laugh.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  I need to cough.

• 45:55Speaker 07

  You puffed on me?

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Um, you weirdo. Kinda need to fart.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Dude, I needed to take a [BLEEP] over there. And like, I was so embarrassed cuz they kept on coming into the stall with me. And when I sat down, I felt like I had [BLEEP] and I felt like it was gonna come out. Cuz I had diarrhea. I still have it.

• 46:21Speaker 03

  Don't mess up my seat, please.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  We get there.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  You're cleaning it up.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Oh, no, thank you. We gotta go to the bathroom.

• 46:32Annie Elise?

  Now regardless of the things that they should have done, they say that they're just glad to be there together to, back to that word, bond together if nothing else. That it's a bonding experience.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Stupid [BLEEP] though, okay? Thank you.

• 46:47Speaker 07

  Why he wasn't touching me there, boy?

• 46:51Speaker 02

  This is such a bonding experience.

• 46:53Speaker 07

  I love it.

• 46:55Annie Elise?

  Now by now, you must be thinking, you know, wow, these girls are dumb, dumber than dirt. Especially since everything that they are saying is being recorded. But don't worry, at least one of them has thought things through. Lois apparently had been contemplating what she was going to do if she ever was recorded in an interrogation room. Take a listen.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Dude, if I have to be in a room where they have to like, record me or something, I'm gonna, um, I'm going to pull out my [BLEEP] that I, I'd see pee.

• 47:28Speaker 07

  That's what I was thinking, like, if, if they had to start doing that stuff, just doing like, the audio recording, I was like, I'm gonna pull out my [BLEEP].

• 47:37Speaker 02

  But that is, um, what's that thing called? Um, public, um, in...

• 47:42Speaker 07

  Bro, do, do you see me?

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Public, really, like?

• 47:45Speaker 07

  Come on.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Indecency. Or what is it called, indecency?

• 47:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'm supposed to be a forensic analyst, please? Please, I wanted to be a police officer. Please?

• 48:01Speaker 02

  I told them that. I was gonna tell them that yesterday. And I was gonna say, oh yeah, I'm doing all this stuff. Cuz I'm gonna be a police officer. Um, no, sorry. Okay.

• 48:20Speaker 07

  Yeah. Dude, I really thought I was going home today.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't think I was going home, but I at least thought, "Oh yeah, I'll go to the psych ward."

• 48:29Speaker 07

  I thought, I thought I was going home, but I was, I was, I was gonna, I was asking Will, like, "Hey, you wanna come over here?"

• 48:35Speaker 02

  I should maybe also come visit you.

• 48:38Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, I should. Oh, bro, do you think his mom would lie to me?

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Oh, no way, if she finds out you're in jail.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  My family isn't probably gonna even visit me.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  Man, I don't even care.

• 48:54Speaker 07

  I'll visit you, okay?

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 48:56Speaker 07

  I'll visit you.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 48:58Speaker 07

  I'll visit you. When I'm out, before you.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Man, you're not gonna be out before me.

• 49:04Speaker 07

  How would I get a longer sentence than you?

• 49:06Annie Elise?

  Finally, after what felt like an eternity, even more for me, they made it to the police station.

• 49:12Speaker 07

  Oh god, I need to go to the bathroom.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Not gonna let you pee pee?

• 49:16Speaker 07

  Dude, I have to go to the bathroom, I pissed myself, maybe I should clean that up.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  Uh, my mask is right here.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  They used to go into the same place.

• 49:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, I did not expect them to let us, them let us like go in the same car and [BLEEP].

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Don't complain.

• 49:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm not complaining at all.

• 49:36Speaker 07

  So much better than just having to stare off in the distance and, and uh, think of all your regrets.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  Oh mama, please, I do feel bad for my mama. That's the only person I feel bad for. And you. I feel bad for your mama too.

• 49:55Speaker 07

  Not for what happened to him, but then I'm gonna be gone, he's probably gonna be so worried.

• 50:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. We're not, we're, we're never sitting with that again, my head.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  I know. Oh yeah, hey, it's gonna be a yoey.

• 50:09Speaker 07

  I should, I should've never worn that army shirt.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  I know.

• 50:13Speaker 07

  Yo.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  I shouldn't have told him, god.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Wanna walk to the top of that tower? Can you do a little kiss? Yes.

• 50:29Speaker 02

  Ow. It hurts so much.

• 50:38Speaker 02

  What? I need to pee. Shut up.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Shut up! Shut up!

• 50:49Speaker 02

  I'm going to hit you. Oh, you can't hit me. Yes, I can. Come here, come here, move over here, I'm gonna hit you on the head. Come here, come here, Lois, come here, come here! I'm not gonna piss myself in my life anymore. Yeah!

• 51:07Annie Elise?

  After getting booked, I'm sure that reality started sinking in at least a little bit, which I would have paid such good money to see their reactions after that. To see them going from giddy and happy and bonding to like, oh shit, we're not going home tonight? I don't get to go home and watch Pokemon or whatever the hell they watch, you know? Like, I would have loved to see that aha moment. So both Isabel and Lois were charged with attempted first degree murder and possession of a weapon on school property. Now, this was all toward the end of January. Now, more recently in March, they both had hearings where the prosecution argued that they were both a danger to society and that they shouldn't be let out on bond to wait for their trial. Apparently, Lois's parents spoke at the hearing and they tried their hardest to get Lois

• 51:52Annie Elise?

  home to wait for her trial date. They even claimed that they would watch her very strictly, which is hard for me to believe, given where she ended up. I mean, it doesn't seem like things were ever very strict in that house. But her dad argued that the work computer that he kept at their house was also locked down and that he couldn't even access basic websites on it. So that that should show how strict things were going to be, as if that was going to be the one thing that got the court to let her come home.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Given the use for work is already locked down, I can't even access Gmail or Facebook from there.

• 52:22Annie Elise?

  Fortunately, their pleas were drowned out by both Isabel and Lois, who continued to show no remorse as they now spoke out at the hearing. Just like when they were in the back of that cop car, one of them said she didn't feel guilty of her actions and the other said that the only person she felt sympathy for was for her mom. The reports didn't indicate who said what, though. Both girls pleaded And not guilty. And as you can imagine, their families wouldn't give the press any comments when they were leaving the hearing. So that's where we are right now. And I'm sure that it will still be a while until we see either one of them go to trial. But I honestly can't wait. Not only so that this poor kid who almost was killed by them gets justice,

• 53:03Annie Elise?

  but also because of how cocky they were. I hope that they get the maximum sentence truly. And I hope that they finally have that moment of realization where you can't just do things in life with no consequences. Right? I've been saying more and more, I don't know what the motivation is. I don't know if Isabel truly was mentally disturbed and thought that she really could bring Adam back from the dead. Or if it's this whole new wave of things that we've been seeing over the last three years, where these young kids, their frontal lobe isn't fully formed. They see people going viral. They see murderers. And it's almost as though they want the notoriety more than they can even rationalize what's happening in their mind and realize how wrong it is. And obviously, even though they're minors, they know right from wrong.

• 53:46Annie Elise?

  I think every kid does to some degree, but I think that's also where the conversation gets complicated of, should they be tried as an adult, a minor, because they aren't fully developed in their brain and all that? But my point being, there has been such an uptick in teen violence, teen on teen violence at that. And actually, I take that back, not just teen on teen violence, even like teen on their parent violence. And not because everybody's trying to go viral, but there is something where this whole like, social media element is weaved in to where it's like, either they don't realize the severity of what they're planning and what they sometimes, many times execute, or they don't care because they feel like the notoriety that they're going to receive trumps all of that.

• 54:28Annie Elise?

  Which is why they're cocky and boastful and not remorseful and have the big ego. Throwback to Aiden Fucci, remember him? He has been convicted and tried as an adult in the death of, and murder, sorry, in the murder of his classmate Tristan Bailey. Stabbed her over 114 times. And while he was in the back of the cop car, he hadn't been arrested yet. They were taking him for questioning. He took his phone and he was Snapchatting selfies, being like, ah, Tristan, I'm in the back of a cop car right now, like. And there's been so many cases like that where it's like they don't realize now's not the time to be like cocky and egotistical and on social media. I don't know. I don't know what is going on, but there's certainly, I don't think it's just that we're exposed to it more now. I know when I was younger, when I was a teen, there was never this much

• 55:13Annie Elise?

  adolescent violence. And it wasn't just because now we're seeing it and we're more privy to it and true crime is more mainstream in terms of consumption. There really was not that much like this. So I have to believe that it somehow is involving that piece of it, the virality of it, or the notoriety that gets involved, or that they think that they will receive from it because they see true crime kind of glamorized in a way. There's always a new Netflix doc dropping, a new Hulu series. There's all of these things. It's in your feed. And it's almost like even if they don't outright say that that's their motivation, they want that? I don't know. I need to get a psychologist in here and like really pick their brain on that. Maybe that's what I'm going to do because I need to get my mind right in understanding why there is so much violence with kids between

• 55:57Annie Elise?

  the ages of 12 and 16. I know those are pivotal years, but like to do something this diabolical, that is insane. So I will definitely keep you posted as more information comes out in this case. Make sure hit the subscribe button if you haven't yet. We have done the FOIA's. We are talking with people involved in the case. There is a lot more coming out, but because there are everybody involved in this case is a minor, the two girls and the victim, it's difficult to get a lot of it. So we're getting it in like drips and drabs. So as I have more, I will certainly come back on here and share it with you. So make sure that you're subscribed. Now, really quickly, before you go, I want to give you one last reminder. Spring merch has officially landed. Go to AnnieElise.com, secure your

• 56:38Annie Elise?

  goods. Quantities are very limited. We also are going to be shutting down the site starting next Monday. That's when we're going to fulfill all of the orders. So time is limited, quantities are limited. You're going to want to get those orders in now before it sells out like last time. Again, that is AnnieElise.com. Lots of merch, apparel, safety kits, tumblers, everything you guys love. So go check it out right now. All right. Until the next one. Please, please, please just stay safe. Bye Subtitles by the Amara.org community