S3 Ep371: 100+ Human Remains Found in Pennsylvania Home

Authorities in Pennsylvania have arrested 34-year-old Jonathan Gerlach after an investigation into grave robberies led to the recovery of more than 100 human skeletal remains, including skulls, mummified parts, and decomposing torsos. Gerlach faces hundreds of charges ranging from abuse of a corpse, theft, burglary and desecration. Try our coffee! - www. CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > ｿ https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> ｿ https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPodADS:1. https://www. WildGrain.com/CrimeWeekly - Use code CRIMEWEEKLY to get $30 off your first box and FREE croissants for LIFE!2. https://www. GrowTherapy.com/CrimeWeekly - Get started on your therapy journey with Grow Therapy today!

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• 0:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derek Levasseur.

• 0:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:19Derrick Levasseur?

  And before we dive into this week's episode, just a quick shout out to my brother, Matt, who is being promoted to lieutenant today for his fire department. I'm not going to say what fire department, but shout out to my brother. Proud of him.

• 0:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  Congratulations, Matt.

• 0:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Shout out, Matt. Good job, buddy. Keep it up. Do the work that I'm just talking about now. I feel so, when he gets promoted like that, I'm like, man, where would I be right now?

• 0:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  Where would you be right now?

• 0:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, like what rank would I be at, you know?

• 0:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, if you stayed on the force?

• 0:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Mm-hmm. Does make me wonder. I mean, me and my brother have always competed, so he has now officially gotten higher ranking than me because I retired as a sergeant.

• 0:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Are you rethinking our life together and looking at you taking a different path?

• 0:57Derrick Levasseur?

  No, God, no. I think about my salary that I was getting as a police officer. No, hard no.

• 1:02Stephanie Harlowe?

  Sad.

• 1:03Derrick Levasseur?

  No, I'm good. Shout out, Matt. I'm thinking about you from here, buddy, from the distance.

• 1:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's saying you may be more broke than him, but you have a higher rank.

• 1:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes. Yes. Yes, exactly. You're doing well, Matt. I'm proud of you. Okay, so we're going to talk about something today that's different than anything we've ever talked about before. And when we were getting ready to record, Stephanie was like, there's a market for this. So we're going to discuss it because there definitely is clearly by this guy's actions. So for anybody who does not know, 34-year-old Jonathan Gerlach of Ephrata, Pennsylvania, is alleged to have systematically broken into mausoleums and underground burial vaults and historic cemeteries, most notably Mount Moriah Cemetery, over the course of several months, removing human remains, including skulls, long bones, mummified parts, and entire skeletons.

• 1:52Derrick Levasseur?

  He is now facing hundreds of criminal charges related to grave robbing, abuse of corpses, theft, desecration, and related offenses. And this is something that's horrific on multiple fronts.

• 2:03Derrick Levasseur?

  First thing you think about is that these are real people.

• 2:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 2:06Derrick Levasseur?

  These are real people that he's digging up and you think about all their loved ones out there who are now finding out that someone who was very important to them that just wasn't a skeleton has now been disrespected in this manner and God knows what has been done to their skeletal remains after the fact.

• 2:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, so that's kind of where I was, I was kind of thinking of it. When this, the news first broke, they didn't say what his motive was. They were just like, hey, this guy's got like a hundred corpses in his house. And I was thinking, is this some weird sex thing? Right? Cause whenever you hear some, whenever you hear something like this, you didn't?

• 2:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Nope.

• 2:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  So what's wrong with me?

• 2:44Derrick Levasseur?

  Because I think, I think they're skeletal remains. So I think sexual and nature is less likely and I'm not trying to be too graphic here.

• 2:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  But it would be something weird, something that's like, this guy is not normal. And now you come to find, oh, he's selling them online. And then, you know, at least you're like, oh, phew. It's not something, some weird sex thing, but there's a market for selling human remains and skeletal remains online. And like, like I, like you had mentioned in the intro, this is, um, it seems he kind of focused on historical cemeteries. So maybe even these people don't have relatives living still, who knows? But there must be, come to find out, because we've got documents released. There is a market for this online, I guess. I don't really exactly know why, and hopefully.

• 3:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Without a doubt.

• 3:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Hopefully you can shine some light on that.

• 3:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Big money too, by the way.

• 3:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hey.

• 3:33Derrick Levasseur?

  Big money.

• 3:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  So we'll go through it and then we can talk about that a little bit because I am very curious. So according to the court documents and police, Gerlock's grave thefts at Mount Mariah Cemetery and other local cemeteries, they began around early November. He was targeting mausoleums and underground vaults. He was actually like propelling himself into these vaults with like ropes and carabiners and.

• 3:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Very elaborate sort of get ups here to get into these vaults and mausoleums. A tip to the Lancaster City Police Crime Watch page actually connected Jonathan Gerlach to a Luzerne County mausoleum theft. Reportedly, someone saw a partially decomposed corpse hanging in his basement during that period, so it wasn't the person who called in the tip, it was somebody else. And this tip came in on December 23rd. But the tipster said that the person that they knew saw the skeleton hanging in Gerlach's basement around the same time that the Luzerne County mausoleum was robbed in November, and that Jonathan Gerlach had also been charged with retail thefts around this time in East Earl Township.

• 4:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  And the stolen items from these retail thefts, which ended up being a local hardware store, include things like a headlamp, gloves, a metal cutting wheel. So yeah, stuff I guess you would need if you were a grave robber. And if Jonathan Gerlach is making all this money selling human remains online, I'm not sure why he needs to steal these things, but maybe he wanted to steal them, so it wasn't as obvious that he had purchased them and it wouldn't be connected. Maybe it was more of a, I don't want to be connected to these items if I'm caught, less than I can, I can't afford these items. Now, that tip also directed law enforcement to Jonathan Gerlach's Instagram account. And they found that he followed other accounts, which had a lot to do with taxidermy, skeleton

• 5:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  collecting, sales of skeletons and other oddities. And apparently Jonathan Gerlach had disappeared for a few days in November, and the tipster said that they believed he'd been in Chicago selling a human skull. And then law enforcement found a Facebook group called Human Bones and Skull Selling Group, where someone thanked Jonathan Gerlach for a human skin bag. So it's like a picture of this person holding a skull. And they're like, thank you so much, Jonathan Gerlach, because in this human skin bag that you sold me, this amazing skull was in there. And I'm like, What the hell is a human skin bag? And then law enforcement also found that Jonathan Gerlach's Cash App profile picture was someone holding what appeared to be a human skull.

• 6:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  So it just, it gets worse and worse. It's very, very strange. They actually went and they sort of connected Jonathan Gerlach because they were going through the late November and December, patterns of broken in mausoleums, disturbed vaults, remains missing. And they started tracking license plates, cell phone data and surveillance to identify the thief. And then on January 6th, 2026, Jonathan Gerlach was arrested at Mount Moriah Cemetery after investigators spotted him with a burlap sack filled with mummified remains of human bones and also the human bones of small children. So that was kind of a big thing when this press conference broke. The police officer who was talking, he was like, this is going to be really hard because

• 6:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  some of these human remains did belong to children. So then on the 7th of January, authorities executed a search warrant at Gerlach's home. They found 100 plus sets of human remains and they also interviewed his fiancee. And then she told them about his storage unit and he wouldn't let them search the storage unit. So at first they were like, hey, we heard you have a storage unit and can we search there? He would not give them consent to search there. He said, hey, there's nothing that you would care about in there. I just have personal items.

• 7:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  He's like, I know you all already found a bunch of stuff in my home, but I'm going to need you to trust me that there are no human remains in the storage unit. It's just personal items.

• 7:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Just some blankets and some fold up chairs. Nothing crazy.

• 7:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  So obviously they had to, you know, do some things to be able to search there.

• 7:46Derrick Levasseur?

  Let me guess. It wasn't just blankets and fold up chairs.

• 7:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  It wasn't just personal. I mean, unless human remains count as personal items.

• 7:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, okay.

• 7:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  But they basically, I don't know if they could get a warrant just on their suspicion that there was stuff in there. So they actually sent a cadaver dog to the storage unit. The dog then indicated. There was the smell of human remains. Then they got the search warrant. They executed it on January 8th and from that locker detectives retrieved eight human corpses plus miscellaneous body parts, ashes, and older jewelry believed to have been removed from graves. So basically the things these corpses had with them, their personal items, he was taking those things as well.

• 8:27Derrick Levasseur?

  And by the way, real quickly, you would easily be able to get a search warrant without the cadaver dog hit. It does help. It strengthens.

• 8:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  Probably made it quicker, yeah.

• 8:36Derrick Levasseur?

  But yeah, I mean, but just having everything you found in his home, if that storage unit is rented to him, you have probable cause and then some at that point to go to a judge and say, hey, listen, we found all of this in his home. This is a storage unit belonging to him. We have reason to believe that he's storing these items everywhere and no judge is not going to sign off on that.

• 8:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  Especially with AI, especially after everything they found in his home.

• 9:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Right, it's game over. It's game over. With the cadaver dog, it's just like a home run.

• 9:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, if you look at a picture of Jonathan Gerlach, I'm not trying to profile anyone here, but he looks like the kind of guy who would be robbing graves and caribining down into these, these mausoleums. You know, he, he gives me the look of somebody who was like, you know, I really wanted to be in a heavy metal rock band and be famous, but that didn't work out. So I'm going to steal human body parts out of graves and sell them online. Be mad at me if you want, but as soon as I saw his picture, I was like, yeah, actually that checks out. You know, he doesn't look like a tax accountant. He looks like somebody who might have been like, you know, willing to do stuff. Apparently there was a lot of stuff going on at his house. Like it's not just human body parts sort of just hidden

• 9:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  or scattered randomly. They were found in various states. Some of them were hanging, some of them were pieced together. He had shelves with just skulls on them. It looked maybe like. It was sort of his storage area, right? If he's selling these things online, he's got his basement where he's arranging and organizing everything and probably taking pictures and posting on these Facebook groups where I, it's absolutely insane that Facebook has such crazy policies for like true crime and stuff, right? To the point where you can't even really say murdered on, on Facebook and other platforms like that. But groups that are focused on selling human body parts, totally okay for Facebook, totally

• 10:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  okay. That's, that's a different story. That's not, you know, true crime. It's Facebook pages that are focused on selling human body parts. Absolutely fine. I don't know how that ended up being a thing that was allowed, but yeah, it's pretty crazy. At this point, we know that he's been charged with 100 counts each of abuse of a corpse, receiving stolen property, along with multiple counts of desecrating a public monument, desecrating a venerated object, desecrating a historical burial place, burglary, trespassing, theft. He's jailed on a $1 million bond. We don't really know if he's got a lawyer right now because no lawyer was listed in court records, but I'm not sure.

• 11:16Derrick Levasseur?

  I have a public defender regardless.

• 11:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  What is he, what is he gonna do? Like plead not guilty? I don't know what's, I don't know what his plan is here. At this point, it's kind of just like, okay, what's my punishment? You caught me literally red-handed. You caught me at the cemetery. I got human remains in my house. I got them in my storage unit. Apparently they, when they arrested him and went back to his car, there was some human remains in there. I don't know. Let's, let's talk about what could possibly be in store for Jonathan Garlock and why he would even think that robbing these graves and stealing these human remains would be profitable for him because like Derek said, there's a market for this. I'm not aware of it, but let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.

• 11:56Derrick Levasseur?

  All right. So we're back and Stephanie had mentioned before the break that she wasn't aware there's a market for this. And I don't know how big of a market it is. It's a niche market. I don't think there's any way around that, but there's definitely some money associated with it. I mean, and first, I don't want to demonize this practice. Yeah, it's a thing. And this guy was obviously doing it the wrong way. But yes, there is a market for skeletal remains. It doesn't even necessarily have to be human remains. A lot of it's animal remains. I was just looking up a website, Skulls Unlimited, where you can go on there and you can purchase, from what I can see, mostly animal skulls. There's not really a lot of human skeletal remains, although I do see-

• 12:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Skulls Unlimited?

• 12:40Derrick Levasseur?

  Skulls Unlimited, yeah. Skulls Unlimited. And you can, you can search replica or real skulls. And just on their main page here, I'm seeing that they have a real research quality human foot that's available as well. Let me check the price for it real quick. The price for this bad boy. There's no price. It's a quote. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta inquire to find out. But I was also looking up an article from The Economist from 2023. And their quotes about human remain prices are $640 for a head, roughly $430 for an arm, and for a torso. For a torso, it's approximately $2,000, while a hand would be around 300 bucks. Plus, if

• 13:25Derrick Levasseur?

  you want a full leg with the foot, that would be 1,600. So-

• 13:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I found some, I found some similar numbers. Individual bones, 50 to 300. Skulls, 1,000 to 5,000 plus. Complete skeletons, 5,000 to 15,000. And then infant or child remains often go for much higher prices, which-

• 13:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's especially so like I know you're like I don't want to judge people that do this but like infant bones or skeletons what kind of collection do you have that that would be like something you'd spend a whole lot of money on what kind of what kind of life are you living here?

• 13:58Derrick Levasseur?

  You know just to put it back on me I like to collect firearms and some people would say that's ridiculous you know I I don't shoot a ton anymore but I like to collect firearms so I'm not going to judge people so there are people out there doing it for the you know for their own passions and their own reasons and we may not necessarily agree with it but I think the problem is not the collection of the bones it's how they're obtained right if you're on the black market buying these things from people who like this guy are doing this that's a problem but if you're curating them through you know ethical sources I can't judge you too much I can't I can't judge you it's not my thing

• 14:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean I'm not just not I'm just not sure what kind of how many ethical avenues there would be for such a thing right because these are human remains

• 14:43Derrick Levasseur?

  well there's usually a story with it that's part of the thing

• 14:45Stephanie Harlowe?

  I get it

• 14:46Derrick Levasseur?

  There's a story associated with how they obtained those bones

• 14:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  So from what I've seen yes a lot of people do this for like historical

• 14:54Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes

• 14:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  reasons and like I get that you know I have a lobotomy set that was used in a real morgue

• 15:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah I think that's weird

• 15:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  back in the day I don't think it's weird it would be weird if I had the skull that went along with the lobotomy I I like to collect historic I like to collect historical things I have love letters that were sent during like World War Two that I pick up and I I do you know eBay bids and stuff for these things

• 15:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  I also have a key from the Chicago World's Fair that I'm very proud of but anyway I would never feel comfortable having somebody's human remains in my presence because I'm a little bit like superstitious in that way where I'm like this person should be laid to rest is there their ghost and you should understand that too because you're afraid of ghosts is there ghost or their spirit attached to this and I'm part of what disturbed their peace and now they're going to haunt me and it's like yeah okay sometimes you'll get stuff like this like human bones from

• 15:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  I guess legitimate reasons like, um, you know.

• 15:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Skulls Unlimited.

• 16:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes, Skulls Unlimited, things like that. And like I said, this guy was apparently a kind of a part of like social media groups. From what I can tell, these social media platforms, they're these private groups on Facebook. And they've been a major hub. I looked it up. So these groups are usually invite only. They use very coded language. Um, they trade bones via private messages after the posts are made. They're frequently shut down and then recreated under new names. But I mean, this person who kind of pointed everybody to Jonathan Garlock by posting it and saying, "Thanks so much for this, this human flesh bag where I found this great skull." Uh, that didn't seem to be a very private message. So maybe they're getting a little bit.

• 16:43Derrick Levasseur?

  Brazen?

• 16:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  I guess lax and brazen because law enforcement has repeatedly found grave robbers and traffickers communicating this way and they're not getting their, their inventory in a legitimate way. And I, I guess like, yeah, now that I'm looking into it, people collect these things for like Victorian death aesthetics. I get it. And what we also have to understand is I believe that Jonathan Garlock was specifically going to Mount Mariah Cemetery and cemeteries like it because they're historical cemeteries.

• 17:13Derrick Levasseur?

  There's a story behind it. He's documenting what it says on the grave.

• 17:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Um, Mount Mariah has been, it was established in 1855. So yeah, you're gonna, you're, if you're kind of in that market and people want bones from the 1800s, this is where you would go.

• 17:30Derrick Levasseur?

  And I want to make sure if for anybody who's not picking up on this, but I, I, I hope everybody is, we're making a clear distinction between deciding to collect these bones. Like obviously Stephanie's a little weirded out by it. I'm kind of a different, we're not talking about that here with Gerlach. Gerlach was stealing these bones from places that he did not have the right to be. There's a very big distinction.

• 17:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  And if you bought them from him, knowing he had robbed a grave to get it, then I do have a problem.

• 17:58Derrick Levasseur?

  I, I guess, wholeheartedly, I agree, but we're not, I, I just want to make sure that we're being clear there where we're not, we're not crossing over the two things.

• 18:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're not condemning people who do it. I, but you know, if, I guess if your bones were gotten in a. An okay manner and the family was okay with it or or you maybe it just was a collection from a museum that you happened to bid on and you don't know where they came from.

• 18:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Sometimes labs do it as well. Like I just want to make sure we're not conflating the two, but yeah, sometimes you can actually obtain a skeletal remain from a, a lab or research facility after the, they're no longer using it. I don't know how that process works, but, but I do know that's

• 18:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  weirded out by it.

• 18:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. I mean, listen, there's a lot of things that I'm weirded out by that people do and that I, that I judge them for, and I'm sure they're judging me for other things. There's probably people who are judging us because we're out here every week on these podcasts, exposing ourselves to people who hate us, you know, like they, they want to say bad things about. I mean, it's, it's to each their own, right? But like this right here, because there's a market for it, that's why this guy's doing it, right? He knows the money he can make. And if we just do a quick math on it, he's got over a hundred, you said skeletal remains?

• 19:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, the over a hundred. Yeah.

• 19:10Derrick Levasseur?

  Over a hundred at, let's just call it a thousand dollars a pop right there. You know, he's looking at a hundred grand.

• 19:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, he's got full skeletons. So apparently you can get 10 to $15,000 for that.

• 19:18Derrick Levasseur?

  Yes, especially if it's a older historic set of remains that has some significance to it. Yeah, no, it's crazy.

• 19:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think I read that he had, um, gone into a grave of somebody who died in like 1940s. So, uh, yeah, I, I think he probably is definitely looking for specific time periods where he's going to, but yeah, let's go to a break really quick and I want to come back and talk about what kind of time he might be looking at, what kind of punishment he might be looking at. Um, I'm not sure.

• 19:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Forever.

• 19:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  For, I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure if he wants to. I'm not sure if he's one, gonna want to take it to trial, but let's talk about that. We'll be right back.

• 19:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right. So we are back and I looked it up and like, like I said, I don't know. Is he going to plead guilty? Is he going to plead not guilty?

• 20:05Derrick Levasseur?

  He'll plead not guilty at the arraignment for sure.

• 20:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Think? Yeah.

• 20:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Hundred percent, hundred percent. Everybody does and you should. You should. You should always plead not guilty at first. Yeah.

• 20:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, yeah, I think that his punishment will be pretty severe, simply based on the volume of charges, the volume of human remains.

• 20:22Derrick Levasseur?

  That's right.

• 20:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  He had, rather than, you know, this was just a one-off kind of thing.

• 20:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 20:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  We've got these kinds of charges, they're going to be charged per victim or per set of human remains. So, under Pennsylvania law, abuse of a corpse, typically a felony, up to seven years per count.

• 20:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 20:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  And, yeah, yeah.

• 20:41Derrick Levasseur?

  He's in trouble.

• 20:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  Desecration of a burial place, often a felony, up to seven years per count. Burglary, felony, up to 10 years per count. Theft, receiving stolen property, felony misdemeanor, depending on the value, ranges from one to seven years per count. Now, we've got Jonathan Gerlach, he's reportedly facing hundreds of counts tied to multiple graves, multiple remains, multiple incidents, multiple locations. And even if some of these charges are merged, or some are dismissed, or they have some running concurrently, prosecutors can still argue for consecutive sentencing on these key counts.

• 21:16Derrick Levasseur?

  And I think you have to.

• 21:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 21:17Derrick Levasseur?

  I mean, it's not all one bulk thing. Will he get some type of deal where they're going to combine some of it?

• 21:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  They may, yeah, especially if he gives up names of other people in the industry.

• 21:26Derrick Levasseur?

  I don't know. I think he's looking, probably, just guessing, probably looking at 30 years, somewhere around there. I don't think he'll do life in prison for this, but it's possible. It all depends on the judge.

• 21:35Stephanie Harlowe?

  People are not happy. I guess this Mount Mariah Cemetery is very important.

• 21:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Think about how, how terrible this really is. He didn't kill these people, but he's disrespecting every single one of them in death.

• 21:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 21:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Every single one of them. And so, how do you go back and go, "Well, they weren't alive anymore, so it's not as severe"? No, it's pretty significant, because you said, you know, some of these bodies are pretty old, and so they may not have any immediate living relatives, but they probably have some distant relatives who may go there to visit their aunt, or uncle, or mother, or father, or, you know, grandmother, whatever it might be, I don't know. But, can you imagine, right, for a second, that you have a loved one buried at one of these cemeteries, even if it wasn't someone you were directly connected to? Let's say it's a great-grandfather, but your mother would always go there and visit that grave, and that was like a thing for her. And now you learn that your great-grandfather was dug up... Split into different pieces and sent out throughout the entire world for profit.

• 22:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, I did.

• 22:33Derrick Levasseur?

  What are you gonna be looking for?

• 22:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  I saw in one of the articles that a woman said, my mo- my mother's buried in

• 22:38Derrick Levasseur?

  That's right.

• 22:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  cemetery, like, it could have been her, I'm not okay with this. So I, yeah, I do think people are kind of up in arms. I will say, yeah, do you think, are there gonna be people out there that are like, oh, come on, all he did was steal some skeletons? Thirty years or more than that is crazy. Like killers don't get thirty years sometimes.

• 22:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, you know the answer to that question.

• 22:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, is that yes, you think there will be people?

• 23:01Derrick Levasseur?

  Of course. We live in, we live in the most polarized society where no matter what, you can, I don't care what the crime is, somebody will find a reason why maybe it shouldn't be as bad. Remember I did that social media post where people, there was one particular person who was mad because we were belittling BTK.

• 23:18Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:19Derrick Levasseur?

  Right? Like, that's the world we live in, right?

• 23:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  We were too mean to, to a serial killer.

• 23:22Derrick Levasseur?

  I think the majority of people, I'd like to believe, will say, yeah, no, this guy was the worst of the worst in many ways. And although he wasn't a serial killer, he was desecrating and disrespecting every single gravesite and family member associated with that, with that deceit. And so it's a significant crime. And especially when you consider the motive, financial in nature, right? It's, that almost to me makes it worse.

• 23:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  I agree, yeah. Cause you can't say you had a mental illness. You can't say like, oh, I was just really curious and I have this love of history and I wanted this stuff for myself. I think people would even look at that a little more forgivingly than

• 24:02Derrick Levasseur?

  No, there's a lot of thought in this.

• 24:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Specifically to sell.

• 24:04Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 24:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  And make money.

• 24:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Buddy, Robert Jewelry Store. And I'm not, I'm not promoting that either. But you know what I mean? Like, you know, there's other ways, there's other ways if you're gonna be a criminal and there's a lot of thought that goes into this. The fact that he did this for so long and, and was able to get away with it this many times in a, in a public area like this.

• 24:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. And this idiot leaves his can, his energy drink at one of the graves he robbed. He, and there was like cigarettes all over, you know, so you're not just disrespecting these, these people in these burial sites by going into them. You're like leaving your trash all over with your DNA on it. You don't freaking care. Needless to say, if he gets out within his lifetime, he's probably not going to.

• 24:44Derrick Levasseur?

  He's gonna be close to his own grave.

• 24:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, he's not gonna be living back here in Lancaster County, because I don't think they want him.

• 24:49Derrick Levasseur?

  No, he's gonna be old when he gets out. I, I, my guess, without having any other information, no insight. 25, 30 years, you know, that'll be the deal where it doesn't go to trial. You know, they're gonna go for 50. He'll settle for 25, 30, and he's gonna spend the majority of the remaining part of his life in prison. Which, for what? For money?

• 25:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Was it worth it?

• 25:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  In the weirdest way.

• 25:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. You said he had a girlfriend, he has a house.

• 25:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  Fiance. Do you think she knew what he was doing?

• 25:18Derrick Levasseur?

  A hundred percent.

• 25:19Stephanie Harlowe?

  She had to. I mean, does she live with him? You think she lived with him? Does she not know what's happening?

• 25:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I would, I would love to know more about that connection and what she was aware of and whether or not she was helping to facilitate some of this. That is gonna be a question I'm sure law enforcement will be asking because if she's a co-conspirator, she could potentially be charged as well.

• 25:40Stephanie Harlowe?

  If she knew it was happening and she didn't help, could she still be considered a co-conspirator by just staying quiet?

• 25:46Derrick Levasseur?

  No.

• 25:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  No?

• 25:47Derrick Levasseur?

  No, no. If she's, if, just being ignorant to it is not a criminal act, like you're not participating.

• 25:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  You're not ignorant to it if you see human bones hanging around the basement.

• 25:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, I wonder, when I say ignorant, I mean in the sense of like, is he describing what he's doing to you in detail? Or is he just saying, yeah, I'm getting these from different places and, and there's no way you wouldn't know that.

• 26:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Maybe he's telling her he's buying them.

• 26:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he's buying them, but he's coming home covered in dirt. You know, you're, that's ignorance, right?

• 26:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  And he's out late all night, like?

• 26:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 26:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 26:14Derrick Levasseur?

  You're, you're trying to, you know, pretend like you don't know what's going on, but, uh, that's not gonna, that's not gonna cut it. Is it enough to criminally charge her? Probably not.

• 26:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, you know something's, you know something is going on. You know your boyfriend, your fiance. He's into something weird, but maybe she was into that too, so, I don't know. Yeah, so that's pretty much all we have to talk about as far as this goes.

• 26:39Derrick Levasseur?

  Shout out to one of our listeners, by the way, who DM'd me with the, with the post and, uh, the, a clip to it. I wasn't aware of it, and then I saw it and I was like, ooh, that would make a great, uh, CWN.

• 26:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  As soon as they arrested him, I heard about it, and that's initially when I was like, oh, is this a sex thing? Because I remember one case where a man dug a woman out of a grave and he like kept her in his house and like held her and did things with her and, and this happened for quite a long time. And then, you know, you have people like Jeffrey Dahmer, as we know, that, you know, they have their... Their own things going with corpses. So I was worried that's what it was. And it's not that, so we can be grateful for that, but it's it's still bad, still really bad. So we'll keep an eye on it.

• 27:22Derrick Levasseur?

  Really bad situation. If there's a major update or if somehow this guy walks.

• 27:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Oh, God.

• 27:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Well, we'll definitely let you know, but that's gonna do it for us as always. Everyone stay safe out there. We're gonna see you later this week with Amanda Knox, part three. Lot of interesting conversation around Amanda Knox. If you're not already listening or watching that series, you definitely need to check it out. If you're listening on audio, take a second, please. Make sure you're subscribed to the channel. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube and if you haven't already, we would greatly appreciate it if you took a minute to review what we're doing over here. It gets you in the algorithm. It gets more people hearing and seeing what we're doing. And it gets more eyes and ears on the cases we're covering. So we greatly appreciate it. We will see you guys later this week. Until then, stay safe out there.

• 28:08Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.