Ep. 645: MeatEater Radio (Not) Live! Happy New Year

Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live! Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. You can watch the stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork, or catch the audio version of the show on Fridays. Today's episode is hosted by Spencer Neuharth https://www.instagram.com/spencerneuharth/?hl=en, Janis Putelis https://www.instagram.com/janis_putelis/, Ryan Callaghan https://www.instagram.com/olcal406/, Randall Williams https://www.instagram.com/randall__williams/, Cory Calkins https://www.instagram.com/cman_calkins/?hl=en, and Phil Taylor https://www.instagram.com/philtaylor25/?hl=en. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:57Speaker 02

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat eater podcast.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. We're coming to you from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana, but we're not live today. I'm your host Spencer Newhart, joined by Ryan Callahan, Yanis Poutelis, Randall Williams, and Cory Calkins. This is a pre-recorded episode because we're on Christmas break. On today's episode, we're answering your questions from how to pick the perfect puppy to unique ways to prepare ground meat. This entire show is Q and A. The boys, it is dang near 2025. You got any New Year's resolutions we're gonna be working on?

• 3:52Speaker 04

  I think we should tackle the fact that us adult men all in this room are on Christmas break, much like your children.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  And?

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Well, I think it's important to note that in order to go on Christmas break, you have to do three times the amount of work ahead of time in order to then have the break, which is fine.

• 4:14Speaker 05

  The past two weeks have convinced me that I don't really want a Christmas break moving forward. Just too much stuff. Plus, you know.

• 4:25Speaker 06

  Less time at home with the family.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:27Speaker 07

  Well, you two without kids obviously don't understand that. Kids get about 16 days off coming up here.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 4:35Speaker 07

  We're in the midst of it, right?

• 4:36Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 4:36Speaker 07

  As we're live here.

• 4:37Speaker 06

  Am I right, Phil?

• 4:39Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Preaching to the choir, bud.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  All right. The question was, does anybody have any New Year's resolutions? It's January 2nd when the show comes out.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm gonna start drinking at work.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  Okay. Cal has an Edmund Fitzgerald Lager.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, Great Lakes Brewing Company. It's a porter.

• 4:56Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Uh, very tasty.

• 5:00Speaker 06

  6%. She's a doozy.

• 5:02Speaker 04

  37 IBUs.

• 5:03Speaker 07

  Pretty tough for me these days.

• 5:04Speaker 05

  He's gonna start talking like a Michigander here pretty soon.

• 5:08Speaker 06

  Um, I don't know if it's a resolution, but I did, uh, get lucky enough to sign up and get on to the roster to run the Crazy Mountain 100.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Oh, sweet.

• 5:18Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 5:19Speaker 06

  And, uh, so it's pretty exciting.

• 5:20Speaker 05

  When is it?

• 5:21Speaker 06

  It's July 25th.

• 5:23Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 5:24Speaker 06

  So I have roughly six months of heavy duty training.

• 5:28Speaker 05

  And that started by now.

• 5:30Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 5:30Speaker 05

  We should backpack in there and just set up a checkpoint.

• 5:33Speaker 06

  That is a great, great idea. We did, my family and I did that last year at, uh, Sunlight Lake and watched all the runners come through. We stayed up until like midnight.

• 5:43Speaker 05

  Is that what lit the fire for you?

• 5:45Speaker 06

  Hmm, no.

• 5:47Speaker 05

  It's like, I, I should be out there.

• 5:48Speaker 06

  I paid, I paced, uh, the year prior to that and that got me pretty excited to do it.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. I feel like, uh, I could pack in there with the old steel chainsaws and, uh, help out a lot of the, the runners there. Cause there's a lot of blow down in, in that race.

• 6:06Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 6:07Speaker 06

  Really?

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. 100 miles through that country.

• 6:12Speaker 06

  Oh, I think they have it. Well, I haven't heard that, but it might be a thing.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  Uh, well, Randall's brother.

• 6:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, he did a pre-run and.

• 6:21Speaker 05

  He, he did like 60 miles, like a couple of weeks before the race to just check out part of the course and.

• 6:27Speaker 06

  Cause he was running it?

• 6:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. But then he got into a horrific bicycle accident and destroyed his arm.

• 6:33Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 6:34Speaker 05

  But, uh, he did run into a lot of blow down. On that shakeout run.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  So I can't say if he was officially on the course at that point in time. His navigation skills are questionable at best, but he did encounter blowdowns on that run.

• 6:49Speaker 06

  I did sit with him on the couch while he just destroyed like four pizzas by himself.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  After that?

• 6:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, which was cool to see.

• 6:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, we just got back from the rodeo.

• 6:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was being, I mean, yeah, he was having a great time.

• 7:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  Any other resolutions in the room besides Yanni's making a big old run up a mountain? Corey?

• 7:09Speaker 07

  I mean, I'm hoping to help deplete the predator population in region one of Montana.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 7:14Speaker 07

  Hmm. Hopefully when this podcast comes out on the second, I'll have a couple down, a couple wolves down. Yeah, I'm not reaching too far into 2025. Hopefully by the first week, I have my first wolf in the back of the truck.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. I want to start creating a history with a place that I hunt. Ever since I moved to Montana, I don't have a place that I've went back to more than two consecutive years to hunt. And that kind of disappoints me that looking back at like, uh, when I'd hunt the same property when I lived in South Dakota, like for five or six straight years, sometimes a decade, in some cases, you'd like it to know bucks and spots. Uh, and you'd like really create a relationship with a place and I haven't had that since I moved out here. So I need to start finding a place that's like, that's my spot. That's a spot I go to every year. And I think next year it begins is like when I find the place that I go to for the third consecutive year. And then, uh, that all of a sudden becomes a place in a decade from now that I'm still going to to hunt.

• 8:13Speaker 05

  So to clarify, are you still looking for that spot? Or might you go back to one of the spots you hunted this year?

• 8:18Speaker 03

  I have some spots in mind, but I'd also like love to start, uh, you know, a new spot and find a place this coming year that I think could be that kind of spot. So I'm just like missing, missing a thing in my fall where I, uh, really deeply know a place and I want that back.

• 8:36Speaker 05

  It's lovely.

• 8:37Speaker 06

  I, I hear you. I hear you because it's good to have both because I think there's a, a lot of credit to give to someone that doesn't hunt more than a year or two in the same spot. Because you're forced to learn new places and be successful in new places, but.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  You can have both.

• 8:54Speaker 06

  I, yeah, you can definitely have both and, and I love going back to a spot, you know, that I've been to and I know. It's more casual, takes away some of the stress for me.

• 9:04Speaker 05

  Big time.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  No, it's true, but it is a crutch though, too. So like if you're the person who's like, well, our family hunting camp is this, and that's my week of hunting. There's, it puts some limitations on your effectiveness as a hunter. Because like you just, you gotta be challenged with, you know, the figuring stuff out as you go.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Listen, I think it made me a better hunter, but I want a spot that's my spot now. And I haven't had that living in Montana yet, but next year it starts. Randall Cal, any resolutions before we start tackling these questions?

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Um, well, I, you want to jump back to the Edmund Fitzgerald Porter here.

• 9:47Speaker 05

  There's a tremendous amount of oxidation around the.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  Well, I, what I want to know, like, I think this would be like the best gimmick in the world. So for folks who don't know, the Edmund Fitzgerald sunk. Okay. Um, and it's a big rusty Hulk and the, the cap on the beer bottle rusted.

• 10:06Speaker 06

  I was gonna say.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  All the way around. And if that was like part of the flavor profile.

• 10:11Speaker 06

  We got those beers a couple of years ago, I think.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Really?

• 10:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 10:15Speaker 05

  They came in a freighter from the Great Lakes.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, they have to spend a year underwater in order to be sold. I'm in, I'm in.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  So like hunting related things. I need to, I kind of came to the conclusion this year that my Montana mule deer spot is just like, it needs to be burned. The, the habitat is wrong. Uh, at this point to where it used to be, you know, it was, it was hard to intercept mule deer in there, but when you did, they were big. Now it's like, kind of like, oh my God, there's a deer in here. Um, and it's, it's a hard place, so I need to start expanding and doing some, some summertime exploration of some other spots, which I just.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Um, I thought you were gonna say you'd burn it. That was gonna be your resolution.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Well, I know a lot of wildland firefighters that would appreciate.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  Hands on habitat management there.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Um, and so that, that would be one thing. I need to go find a, I know a new, good mule deer zone. And then, uh, man, just.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Going through cases of shells on the shotgun side of things over the summer, just shooting more in general on center fire as well, but that's just got to be a part of the program and you know, schedules get so jacked up, it's hard to prioritize this stuff, but man, does it pay dividends. So, and then getting back on just like a really consistent dog training schedule. These dogs benefit so much from that consistency and that's a hard thing to pull off with the type of travel that we do too, but I can still do better.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  What is going well in your life?

• 12:12Speaker 04

  I wear.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  It's gonna turn this thing around.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  The shooting, the dog training. I wear the same clothing like three days a week. I can make that four days a week.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 12:25Speaker 04

  And get more dog training in, you know, sacrifices.

• 12:27Speaker 06

  Yep. I'm getting to be that way with age. Easy. Like, don't wash pants now for weeks on end. I'm like.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  You're not supposed to wash jeans very often.

• 12:36Speaker 06

  I don't know when the last time this shirt was washed.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Why beat it up? Throw on some pit stick. Yeah. I swapped out the interior shirt here.

• 12:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, that I do more often.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Randall, what do you have to add?

• 12:50Speaker 05

  I don't know. I just, I need to stop lying.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  With that, we're gonna start.

• 12:59Speaker 05

  Starts with myself. Actually, in all honesty, I need to, I need to shoot my rifle a lot more. I used to be in the habit of shooting, you know, a couple thousand rounds and center fire in a year. And this past year was probably the worst year for shooting that I've had, just in terms of volume. And you know, there's nothing like just good old practice to make you feel like you're ready when the fall rolls around.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  2025.

• 13:26Speaker 06

  Did that, did the lack of practice affect your hunt? Did you have a miss this year?

• 13:31Speaker 05

  Uh, yes, but I don't know that practice would have, it was a very bad situation just to rush. But yeah, I just like, I got in, I was like getting all my stuff ready and I, you know, putting my rifle in the truck. I'm like, man, I, I should shoot more. I used to shoot a lot, like literally burning out barrels and re-barreling rifles. But, you know, work just gets in the way, family, all sorts of commitments. Yeah, the dogs, they're just always trying to get my attention and they don't like shooting rifles. So it's tough, but I'm going to be more selfish this year, I guess is what I'm saying.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  Can you shoot at your house now?

• 14:13Speaker 05

  Uh, yes. Oh, nice.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Shoots on his property, but not at his house.

• 14:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's going to get awfully drafty if you shoot too often.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  Cute.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  All right, we're going to tackle some listener questions here. We got about 10 of these. First one is from James. I'm in my 40s. I live in northeast Ohio.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  Welcome, James.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Having a dad who hunted, I never took an interest until recently. What would be your advice for the first thing someone should do to take their first step towards hunting whitetail deer? I've shot guns for many years as a hobby and recently took my first archery lesson. I'm open to gun hunting or bow hunting. To answer this question first, here is Mark Kenyon.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Why must Mark get to answer this?

• 14:56Speaker 06

  This is a great question and one that we hear from folks frequently. People that are intrigued by whitetail deer hunting, but just don't know where to start. And my number one piece of advice is to seek out a mentor. There's so much to learn to get started as a deer hunter. There are so many different things about deer behavior, deer habitat, hunting strategy. You can get some of that from podcasts and videos of which we have plenty at Meeter. You can read about these things in magazines and, and web articles. But the single best way you can learn is to actually find a real life person who can answer your questions, who can maybe take you out there in the field with them and show you some of these things firsthand. And there is a terrific program to help you find a mentor and that is called.

• 15:40Speaker 06

  The Field to Fork program is put on by the National Deer Association. You can sign up to be connected with mentors like this through their program and to possibly go through this incredible educational experience. If you go to deerassociation.com/fieldtofork. That's F I E L D dash T O dash fork. Go to that website, do the new hunter survey, see who they connect you with, be a part of that program if you can. There's also a deer hunting 101 online course. You can participate in through that program. It'll definitely give you some of those building blocks to get started. Good luck.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  That thorough answer is why Mark Kenyon got to go first, Yanni, but what would you like to add?

• 16:22Speaker 04

  It's pretty solid. It's pretty solid. Now that I heard it, I might have to retract my earlier statement.

• 16:27Speaker 05

  The seriousness of tone in that, in that short clip, I think really is at odds with the mood in this room right now. So I'm just feeling a little conflicted about.

• 16:38Speaker 04

  Mark doesn't want you to have fun when you're out there white tail hunting.

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Well, I tell this folk, I mean, Northeast Ohio is a great place. I mean, you have a short, it's a short range weapon state, right? So it's a straight wall cartridge. If you want to shoot center fire, but you can, there's a shotgun season, muzzleloader season. Man, yeah, you want to own a shotgun. You got spring turkey. It's a big turkey state, lots of grouse, and you can shoot deer with, with a shotgun there. So barrier to entry is pretty low. Lots of, lots of cool, cool stuff in Northeast Ohio.

• 17:19Speaker 03

  I got two pieces of advice for James. First one would be, Randall Williams is from Ohio, so reach out to him. He'll tell you all his spots, give you all his connections.

• 17:29Speaker 05

  Opposite corners of the state, though.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  It doesn't matter.

• 17:32Speaker 04

  Salty chili spaghetti.

• 17:34Speaker 05

  I think, I think if you, if you want to kill a deer in Ohio, find a place where you are allowed to hunt and at least when I was growing up, buy a crossbow. Go buy a Barnett Rhino or whatever the entry level crossbow is these days and that's how we figure things out. It's a lot of deer in Ohio.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just saw a giant 200 plus inch buck just got whacked on public land in Ohio.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  It's a good state. I like, I've never hunted Ohio. I've always wanted to hunt Ohio, but the public land in that part of the country hunts a lot bigger than other places because you have these rolling hills that are really timbered. So there's a lot of opportunity.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  Oh, explain hunts big. That's a great hunting phrase.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Hunting big would be like if you had two 80 acre parcels, one of them was 70 acres of corn with 10 acres of timber and slough grass that are flat. That hunts small. Whereas if you had 80 acres of rolling hills with creek bottoms, that would hunt big. You feel like you don't see everything when you're hunting that 80 acres versus if you're hunting the 80 acres that's all cornfield and a little bit of slough and timber. So Ohio, I think a lot of the public land there hunts bigger than other parts of the Midwest. Here's the other thing I'd say to James, as someone who picked up a new hobby during the pandemic, which was rockhounding, I've learned so much of what I know now, or like gained a foundational

• 19:05Speaker 03

  level of knowledge just through watching YouTube videos. A lot and a lot of YouTube videos and deer hunting is no different. You're not going to become an expert.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, because like you couldn't identify a rock before you could find the internet and YouTube.

• 19:18Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, it sure got a lot easier. The barrier to entry is much lower now.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  They're always running away from you. You couldn't figure out how to, where to find them.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  Uh huh. So James, YouTube is going to help you out. It's probably not going to be the reason you kill a deer, but you'll find a lot of relatable content there from MeatEater and others. Anybody else have any advice for James?

• 19:42Speaker 07

  I mean, finding a mentor is huge, but if you're struggling to find a mentor or, you know, schedules don't align, just go out, go hunting. You'll make mistakes, but you'll learn from them.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Got to put yourself out there.

• 19:54Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 19:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, find a spot. Sounds like there's deer everywhere. Find a spot, you know, you can hunt legally. And learn it. Learn that landscape, learn that property, whatever it is. Maybe go knock on some doors. You can get yourself a spot where you don't have to have any competition. But yeah, I think learning the landscape really helps people be successful.

• 20:19Speaker 04

  And don't think that you need to dedicate whole days, like whole days and multiple days in a row are fantastic. But those are hard to come by. So if you can find a spot that's close to you where you can kind of eliminate that, like, oh, it's not worth going out type of mentality, like, man, you can learn so much by those 15 minute, 20 minute, hour-long sessions where, you know, it's like, sure, you gotta, you know, it could be home washing clothes or something, but.

• 20:52Speaker 06

  But we know you don't need to do that very often.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, we already covered that.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  All right, James is gonna kill a big old buck in 2025. Here's the next question. This is from Joe. For those with kids, what are your go-to places to getting quality youth hunting base layers and outerwear for cold weather hunts? We put our two fathers on this side of the table. They even dress the same today.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  They just got back from an audition to be the next brawny paper towel man.

• 21:18Speaker 07

  They were telling some great dad jokes too.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Yanni, Corey, how do you outfit your kids when you're going out hunting? Or just doing anything in cold weather?

• 21:28Speaker 06

  You know, I'll be honest in that, you know, I get a pretty steep discount with the old first light. And even one of my girls were, they make it extra, extra small in women.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  2X small?

• 21:43Speaker 06

  Hmm, I believe so.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 21:44Speaker 06

  And so even when they were super small, we could fit them into that, you know, and then we just did the hand me down thing as we grew up into them. So that's one way to do it. I mean, obviously you're getting the highest quality of youth, but that's, you know, it can be expensive. I think you can do. An REI, uh, I mean, these days synthetic base layers, I mean, let's be honest, like, it's, if it's polyester, it's polyester, right? You can go get some knockoff stuff at Target, probably. If it's not cotton, you're probably gonna get pretty close to the similar benefits from buying super expensive synthetic base layers.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:25Speaker 06

  And it's gonna get the job done for you. Then when your kids trash it or grow out of it, you're not out a bunch of money.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Corey, I don't know if Marshall's been on too many hunts yet, but I assume he's, uh, done some skiing with you. How do you get him dressed for those?

• 22:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, you kinda took the answer right out of my mouth.

• 22:41Speaker 06

  That was a weird way of saying skiing. What was, uh, you not like skiing? What's your deal?

• 22:45Speaker 03

  I like skiing. I didn't think I said it weird.

• 22:47Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 22:48Speaker 07

  Spencer's a good skier now.

• 22:49Speaker 06

  Some skiing with you?

• 22:51Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 22:51Speaker 07

  A skier, anyway.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  Hmm, I'm a competent. I'm not, I don't feel like I'm gonna go out there and do a green and break my arm. So that's, that's the sweet spot for me.

• 23:00Speaker 07

  I mean, my kid's only six. We've gone on, uh, one spring turkey hunt and multiple fall and winter squirrel hunts. So, actually, yeah, wearing ski gear is what we've been doing. I mean, just staying warm is so crucial. And then having two, if not three, backup pairs of clothes, cause inevitably they're getting wet and uncomfortable. So having backup boots, socks, gloves, just to keep them out there as long as you can is, is what I do. And then for like base layers, man, we just go to Costco and get the good, solid synthetic stuff for nine dollars.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  I've ran into Corey twice at Costco. If I was trying to pattern him, uh, to assassinate him, I'd just go to Costco. And then Winco. He's, I know he goes to Winco as well.

• 23:46Speaker 07

  Meet me in the food court line at about 11:45 on a Monday.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  That's where I'd find him. And I assume with ski gear, they make that for kids of like all sizes, just like little tykes.

• 23:56Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:57Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Up to teens.

• 23:58Speaker 07

  Yep, little guys. Yeah, so warm and comfy.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Anything else to add from the fatherless, uh, people in the room?

• 24:05Speaker 06

  Goodwill. Well, I have a father. Thank you very much.

• 24:09Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, the childless, the childless people, yeah, of course you have a father.

• 24:14Speaker 06

  What do you think, Cal? If you're gonna dress up a little kid? Well, remember the question.

• 24:18Speaker 05

  Where? Yeah, where do you find them?

• 24:21Speaker 06

  Well, good. Yeah, thank you, Randall. So a ton of my hunting stuff came from the St. Vincent de Paul Church thrift store that my grandma worked at.

• 24:35Speaker 06

  And so, you know, she cherry picked the 50 cent wool items for us.

• 24:41Speaker 06

  I mean,

• 24:43Speaker 06

  yeah, I mean, that's, that's the stuff to, to grab, especially if folks are gonna, if they're really hard on stuff, or if they're gonna grow out of it, right? I mean, go recycled.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  And I just say, find a, a well-to-do family with kids slightly older than yours and get their hand-me-downs.

• 25:02Speaker 06

  And pattern them.

• 25:03Speaker 05

  Kids are always getting made, you know, and it's just like, you find an age class slightly above yours and position yourself to benefit from that.

• 25:12Speaker 06

  That works. We've gotten a lot of hand-me-downs from families.

• 25:16Speaker 05

  How's that for some?

• 25:17Speaker 06

  Little bit of.

• 25:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. Advice from the childless side of the room here.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  Or just don't have kids, like me, Callan, Randall.

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• 28:57Speaker 03

  Here's the next question. This is from Adam. What qualities should I look for when picking boots to hunt elk in Wyoming? What are your go to boots for a western elk hunt? To answer this question, here is Jason Phelps.

• 29:13Speaker 05

  He's probably gonna say big ones.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  What qualities should I look for when picking boots to elk hunt in Wyoming? And then what are my go to boots on a western elk hunt? So the qualities I'm looking for, it really depends on where you're hunting, what type of hunt you've got. And then really how tough your feet are. Everybody's a little bit different and everybody's foot shape's a little bit different. So a boot that may work perfect for me, may not work for you, may not work for somebody else. So you need to try all of these boots on, number one, they need to fit. So that's one quality you need to have, you need to fit your heel pocket based on what insoles you have. You need to make sure you don't get hot spots on steep stuff down and uphill. But then as far as where are you hunting? If you're above tree line and the steep stuff, you know, hunting above the goats and, you know, mountain goats and sheep, then you're going to want a boot that's typically stiffer.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  You're going to want a boot that's typically taller as you put more stress on your feet. You're gonna, and then if I'm hunting in the sagebrush, maybe flatter stuff in Wyoming, I'm going to go for a boot that's more flexible, something that, you know, my foot won't fatigue as quickly. And even though I'm in a more flexible boot versus if you take that flexible boot up high and the steep stuff, your foot may fatigue throughout the hunt. And then as far as what are my specific go to boots on a western elk hunt? I found that the crispy brick stall line of boots works best. So they've got like a four flex rating, uninsulated boot. I wear on a lot of my September hunts. You know, I went on a sheep hunt this year. I, I chose their pro, which is two inches taller and a stiffer, you know, sole on that boot.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  So it didn't flex as much for the steep stuff. So for me, crispy brick stall and all of those boots work really well. But really you gotta go try boots on, make sure they fit your foot, make sure they're comfortable. And that's my recommendation on western elk hunting boots.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Johnny, you tackled this one after Jason. What do you have to add about finding the right boots for an elk hunt?

• 31:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, Jason covered it very well there.

• 31:07Speaker 06

  The only thing I would add is that oftentimes, like an archery season, when I know I'm gonna have to be sneaky, because I want to get in close for a archery shot, is that the boots need to perform both in hiking, you know, climbing across mountains, but then also in those last 50 yards when you're getting in close. And so I'll often go with a boot that is kind of under, not undersized, but it's not what you would consider like a big mountain boot, right? Because I need it to be soft enough so that at the end, when it's go time, I can maybe run a little bit very comfortably, and I can be very sneaky and quiet. Usually the bigger the boots get, the burler they get, the sole gets stiffer.

• 31:51Speaker 06

  The stiffer a boot is, the noisier the boot is. There's nothing like sneaking through the woods in a pair of running shoes. Like the elk cannot hear you coming. So that's something to consider, but otherwise, I think Jason covered it pretty good.

• 32:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it's not even mountain, like even like right now, or yesterday, now with our current warming trend that we're going through, which is so annoying.

• 32:16Speaker 04

  Walking through fields that are frozen with a full shank stiff mountain boot is very unpleasant, because there's just no flex in that boot. But you take that boot on to steep terrain, shale, rock, and it's the best. It's your best friend. So you do have a little bit of a quiver, some options throughout your season is great. And yeah, I would say it'd be,

• 32:49Speaker 04

  don't automatically assume that you need like a fully lined boot, like a Gore-Tex liner.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Because that's going to be a more expensive boot, or an insulated boot is gonna,

• 33:05Speaker 04

  you know, it's gonna perform well, only in a specific range of temperatures. So, uh, if you're hunting in a warm day, then you're gonna sweat that boot out from the inside, and it's, it's not gonna perform well for you. Um, so I, I would really caution folks to, um, really analyze their season before they go into an insulated boot. I sure do. And then, um,

• 33:37Speaker 04

  yeah, the, you know, there's a, everybody's like, what is the boot? And people have very different feet, just like your fingerprints. So, um, there's a gajillion boot companies out there for a reason. They all have different laths, which is like the, the footbed form, uh, of the boot. And, and that's because people have different feet. So don't think that, uh, just because you need a hunting boot, you need to look at hunting boot companies if you're not finding success in hunting boot companies. You know, go look at the Loas and the Scarpas and, and that mountaineering world too. Um, you know, these companies exist for a reason, so.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Randall, Corey, anything to add?

• 34:24Speaker 07

  Footbeds. I mean, yeah, gets you a good boot, but do not skimp on solid footbeds.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 34:32Speaker 07

  Or insoles.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  That's not very, that's not a real expensive upgrade either.

• 34:35Speaker 07

  No, I mean, you could spend 50 to a hundred bucks easily with some over the counter stuff, or just go to your local REI or whatever, or you could get some custom ones that might run you a couple hundred dollars. But anything is going to be better than what you buy. It's pretty sad you spend 500 bucks on a boot and the footbed is garbage. So make sure you get a better footbed.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  I would only add that, uh,

• 35:00Speaker 05

  I think the more I, I guess like over time, I've come to prefer a lighter and lighter boot. Just because heavy boots wear you out and you like can't wait to get them off.

• 35:14Speaker 05

  So if you don't need something like super high and super stiff.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  I think like things on the lighter end of, you know, there's, I have like a spectrum of boots, but I often find myself if I can get away from it going with like lighter option. Just because it's more comfortable and, and you never want to take them off.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  Only thing I'd add to this is I've had really bad luck ordering hunting boots online as far as sizing goes. Seems that more than casual footwear or tennis shoes or dress shoes, hunting shoes.

• 35:48Speaker 05

  Or bath slides.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, any of that, the sizing is, is much more variable. And so if you can find a boot that you can go try on in person, it'll make your life easier than having to order something online and be prepared to then make a couple of returns.

• 36:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, to piggyback on Randall's point there, and Jason even mentioned it like if you're hunting elk above the mountain goats, that happens to like 0.5% of the elk hunters in our country annually. It's just not a thing usually where you're hunting above the mountain goats. So you don't need boots that are made for that alpine shale, super rocky landscape. Cause you're just not there that much. The elk are usually in the timber.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Moving on, next question is from Krista. My family eats a lot of ground venison with burgers, tacos and chili firmly in our rotation. What are some other weeknight meals with ground meat that are easy, tasty and outside of the norm? Cal, what could you recommend to Krista?

• 36:52Speaker 04

  Larb.

• 36:53Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  That's good stuff.

• 36:55Speaker 06

  What?

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Larb is really outside of the norm.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  Carry on. I mean, it's it's just finely chopped or ground meat. Um, and what is it? Tile? Is it Thai?

• 37:05Speaker 03

  Thai.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you know, make like lettuce wrapped tacos, make a little sauce. Um, that's totally a winner. Um, and it's, you know, it's a little, uh, sweet ginger garlicy, little, um, uh, red chili in there. Um, that's great.

• 37:23Speaker 06

  Do some larb tomorrow night. I need, I need some ground pulled out. I needed an idea. There we go.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Okay. Someone else make some recommendations for Krista and Yanni.

• 37:31Speaker 05

  We, uh, we have a delightful, uh, North African meatball recipe from the New York Times.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 37:39Speaker 05

  And we just had it last night. Little couscous, but they're like these little meatballs and kind of a, it's almost like a, I don't know. It's almost like a, you've had those, haven't you?

• 37:48Speaker 04

  No.

• 37:49Speaker 05

  Oh, oh.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  I put a lot of trust into the New York Times recipes.

• 37:52Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  I haven't been let down yet.

• 37:54Speaker 05

  The New York Times recipes will not, they will not lead you astray, but yeah, this, this North African meatball thing, uh,

• 38:02Speaker 03

  And to be clear, if you're new to cooking wild game, if you find a recipe from the New York Times, you can just, you know, use venison.

• 38:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  In place of ground beef.

• 38:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, and, and.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  Basically anything.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  We'll make like whole sheet, like cookie sheets of these meatballs. And then make the sauce and then fill up gallon baggies with meatballs and sauce and freeze them.

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:22Speaker 05

  And so.

• 38:22Speaker 06

  De broil the meatballs to cook them?

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 38:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:26Speaker 05

  Um, but yeah, it's like last night we had people over for dinner and we didn't tell them that we'd pulled these out of the freezer and just simply reheated them, but we did and they loved it.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  On a similar note, uh, we make a lot of pot stickers at my house. A few times a year, we'll set aside a Saturday. Uh, we'll just get the wonton wrappers that we get from Albertson's, but I think they sell the same exact ones at Walmart and Hy-Vee, whatever your grocery store is. Um, and that makes ground venison go a really long ways. We'll do a one to one ratio of ground meat and vegetables, uh, slash mushrooms. And I think this last time we made 300, uh, pot stickers.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  God.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  One going and then that's a super easy freezer meal to get out. You freeze them in whatever portion makes sense for your family size. Uh, you get those out and you can be serving them within fifteen fifteen minutes and they're just really easy. Um, to make both like prepping them for the freezer and coming out of the freezer. So pot stickers. Highly recommend.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  And you can make them to your liking. If there's like a certain vegetable or flavor profile that you really like or really dislike. Uh, your pot stickers can be unique to to your taste.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  Basically every culture has a pot sticker too. So like if you wanted to put like marinara sauce and mozzarella in there.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  Like sure.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  It's not that crazy.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  Wanton wrappers are a great vessel for just like any meats and veggies.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  We filmed a stand and stir with uh chef Linda here in town. Um.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  Is that Hummingbird?

• 39:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, Hummingbird Kitchen. Yeah.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  I've been looking to go to some of her meals.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  You should do it. It's super, super cool and Linda's a hoot. She's she's super fun. Um, but that should be on the meteor YouTube channel and we do do. We do do uh wantons.

• 40:09Speaker 07

  January fourteenth, that should be on the.

• 40:11Speaker 04

  Oh, really? Son of a gun. There you go.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Guy here. Yanni Corey, unique ground venison meals besides burgers, tacos and chili.

• 40:20Speaker 07

  Man, it's not unique, but uh y'all ever had hamburger helper? But I do it without the box.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  Grew up.

• 40:27Speaker 07

  Homemade hamburger helper.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 40:29Speaker 07

  Meat, little can of uh like cream of mushroom and then your favorite vegetable. Can of corn, can of green beans, peas, whatever. And then some noodles on top of that.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 40:41Speaker 07

  And you could call it a goulash.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  You mix it all together.

• 40:45Speaker 07

  Turns out. Yep. One pot meal.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, depending on how runny it turns out, you can call it a goulash.

• 40:51Speaker 07

  Correct.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  I love it. Um.

• 40:54Speaker 06

  You know, we do a lot of meatballs too, usually Italian flavor profile. But we do the same thing that Randall does is, and we make hundreds and then freeze them and usually around 20 ish is what you can get into a liter. Uh, vacuum sealed bag, but those are great.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  And do you, so do you put sauce in there?

• 41:15Speaker 06

  No.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  No, okay.

• 41:16Speaker 06

  No, no, no.

• 41:17Speaker 07

  Dry.

• 41:17Speaker 05

  Did, did we cover meatloaf?

• 41:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  I assumed meatloaf was part of this, was part of this program.

• 41:24Speaker 05

  If it, I mean, if I just, if it wasn't explicitly mentioned in there, I think we should just point out meatloaf should be celebrated.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Stuffed.

• 41:31Speaker 06

  And different styles of burger, you know, oftentimes my kids like, we don't like burgers anymore. I'll be like, what about smash burgers? Oh yeah, it's a smash, you know, and so, okay, I'm gonna make them real thin.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  The topic of meatloaf though, I think, when I think of meatloaf, there's like the meatloaf my mom made.

• 41:50Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Which I don't like. And then there's like, uh, like an elevated version of meatloaf, recipes you can find online.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, which is just using more bacon.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like, uh, you know, using some cheese and, uh, sauteed spinach and just some other herbs and spices. And, and that's like, uh, that's a unique weeknight meal that anybody could make at home.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Great leftovers.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's no, and like pocket food, right? Like, so like we're talking, so wontons, pierogies, pasties, um, empanadas. I mean, you know.

• 42:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  Pierogi.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  Yes. And the meat eater dot com, uh, posts new recipes every week. I bet the most common protein in those recipes is probably ground meat. So the meat eater dot com backslash recipes, uh, you'll get all kinds of good recommendations there. Next question, this is from Cole. I was wondering what you think the most doable DIY big game hunt would be out west? Some considerations would be tag attainment and public land access. I imagine you guys are gonna have the same answer, but I would say an antelope hunt. It takes like the least amount of gear, least amount of time, the least amount of physical fitness. If you're coming from the Midwest or the East or the South, and this is your first Western hunt,

• 43:15Speaker 03

  the tags are like the same price or cheaper than deer tags in a lot of these states. Public land access.

• 43:22Speaker 06

  I feel like these days, I mean, it used to be a thing where you could get a bunch of pronghorn tags. And now it's like there is no easily attainable. I mean, unless you have some private access.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  What I would say to Cole is this is a hunt you could plan for 2027 or 2028, but you're probably not doing a good rifle antelope hunt this coming fall.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  I'm gonna go with another big game option that starts with the letter A, and that is antlerless.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Find a cow tag, find a doe tag.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Often cheaper.

• 43:57Speaker 05

  You're gonna have the same experience. You're gonna take home, yeah, you're gonna take home meat. You're not gonna feel like things are as competitive as if you're going for a big buck or bull. So, yeah, if you just wanna go make some memories and check out a new part of the country, I'd look into those options. And oftentimes those tags are cheaper as well, in addition to being more available.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  And antelope and antlers have a lot higher success rate for hunters out there. What do you guys have got to add to this?

• 44:28Speaker 07

  Black bear.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 44:30Speaker 07

  Over the counter.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  At a different time of year.

• 44:32Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 44:33Speaker 06

  Yanis just made a face. He has thoughts.

• 44:36Speaker 07

  Some of us don't know how to kill them. Or at least have a curse and are somehow allowed to kill them.

• 44:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's more of a learning curve to it, though, I would say, for someone coming out for the first time.

• 44:47Speaker 07

  A lot of states have two seasons for them. Some regions have overabundant numbers of black bears, so save a couple deer, go shoot a black bear.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  Yanis?

• 44:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was gonna go on what Randall said. I was gonna just say, go get a doe tag. You know, very doable, very attainable. You can just drive around looking for a doe. But you can hunt, you can hunt your butt off, too, if you.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  You want to do it.

• 45:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  So there's a bunch of ways to go back country.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  Cal, any other advice for Cole on how to plan his first doable DIY big game hunt out west?

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Boy, the biggest limitation people put on themselves is time. Give yourself time and that's the hardest thing to acquire, in my opinion, but boy, give yourself like a full week, no matter what you do or more. Like if you want to do your first big game hunt and you're like, I'm going to take a long weekend, you're just setting yourself up for not having a great experience. You can have a surprisingly good experience, but it's just going to be, you're going to have that clock ticking in the back of your brain the whole time.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  It seems like when you're short on time, you end up thinking about like work or family stuff that's going on. If you've got a full week, you'll have some extra time built in on the beginning and end of that.

• 46:15Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 46:15Speaker 05

  And if the trip starts out poorly, you can just totally reset and you still have another three day hunt on the back half.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  Next question is from Kevin. This is a short one. What's your go-to hunting and fishing snack? To answer this one, here is Brent Reeves.

• 46:32Speaker 06

  My go-to hunt snack, I usually keep it in my side by side and I keep it in an arm can like this right here. And here it is.

• 46:42Speaker 06

  Potted meat.

• 46:44Speaker 06

  Beanie weenies.

• 46:47Speaker 06

  Cheese crackers. Now, if you want to get bold and make a meal out of it, this is what I do. I also like Viennese, but I don't eat them when it's cold because get a little salve on them when that gel kind of sticks to the weenies. But this right here, potted meat.

• 47:06Speaker 06

  Cheese crackers. My brother.

• 47:10Speaker 07

  Tim and I ate this just the other day. We were running the nets on the river. We needed a little snack with all them fish was sapping all the wind out of us while we was out there pulling them in. Here it is, right here. Cheese crackers, potted meat.

• 47:29Speaker 07

  It's good.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  It's good. I believe him.

• 47:33Speaker 03

  What a treat. You should go watch this on YouTube because you'd get to see Brent preparing his little lunch there. And this is how organic that was for Brent. I sent an email last night at like 9pm asking everyone to make these videos by noon. So that was just what Brent had on hand. This is, that's truly like his favorite hunting, fish and snack. He didn't go out and, and, uh, you know, produce this content.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  We just had to go to the old army can.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  That's right. Randall favorite hunting and fish and snack.

• 48:01Speaker 06

  But first I want to know if anybody in this room has had that meat that he just pulled out.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Well, potted meat, like there's a wide variety of canned meats.

• 48:10Speaker 06

  Okay, cause that almost looked like a pate.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  It did.

• 48:13Speaker 06

  Is that what it is?

• 48:14Speaker 03

  That looked like cat food. I don't know what that was.

• 48:17Speaker 06

  I mean, I enjoy pate.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:19Speaker 06

  But I don't really know what that, what he, I don't know.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  I think the other thing he was referencing was what Vienna sausages?

• 48:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, which I thought that was the go to in that part of the country was, uh.

• 48:29Speaker 07

  They say Viennese?

• 48:30Speaker 06

  Viennese, yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 07

  Viennese.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Randall go to hunting and fish and snack.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  Man, uh, this past year I just ate a lot of peanut butter and jellies. Like a lot of times, a lot of times I'd, I like get a gallon Ziploc bag and fill it up. Oh, I'll have some nuts. I'll have some jerky. I'll have some, uh, like a power bar. I'll have this and that. And then I like just don't eat it. And I just, this year I was like, I'm gonna make four peanut butter and jellies. And at any point in the day, if I get hungry, I have one and it's perfectly satiating and I will, uh, I'll consume all the calories I need and I won't have to think about what I'm picking out of the bag and whether or not I'll want to eat it. Cause I always want to eat a peanut butter and jelly.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  How about you, Cal?

• 49:16Speaker 04

  Um, obviously like it's, it's all dependent on situation, but Randall got to experience a little bit of hunting camp with some of the crew that I grew up horsepacking with this year and no matter what's happening, there's at some point, um, the little smokies.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  That we scald in a pan.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  And eat little, little smokies out of a pan and that was always like an awesome deal.

• 49:49Speaker 06

  Um, is that just a miniature hot dog?

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. You know, they're cocktail weenies.

• 49:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. Like for making pigs in a blanket.

• 49:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, and then, uh, smoked oysters.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  He, I mean, there were just like a thing when I was growing up and I still love them. And occasionally I'll just have that for dinner by myself here and you know, in a, in a home, in an actual home.

• 50:17Speaker 06

  I love a smoked oyster, but man, in the woods, it's just such a mess maker. And then you got that greasy can left over. You almost need a vessel to get the can and you're backpacking out of the woods.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  I don't do it backpacking anymore because of that. And it's just like, you know, you end up like packing dirt in there to try to like soak it up. And then you're like, well, then I dumped the dirt out and it's all a mess. You're, you're correct, but yeah, so I do, um, Pro Bars.

• 50:48Speaker 04

  Is like a staple and it's not something that like I really enjoy at, at all. And, um, the refrigerator bars, the, what are those ones? The, um, they're supposed to be refrigerated.

• 51:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, there's a few of them out there. There's a Bozeman local company. Is that the one you're thinking of? They make that product. It's like called Jack and Jane or maybe.

• 51:10Speaker 05

  I should know because I picked up those packages from your front door and put them in your refrigerator.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it's like almond butter or whatever, like in a bar, peanut butter in a bar and, and those are a, a big deal. And then, yeah, at this point I just don't even mess around with like. Trail mixes and stuff like that.

• 51:29Speaker 06

  Hmm, I've actually gone back towards trail mix a little bit more, but custom making it.

• 51:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:36Speaker 06

  Like going to Costco, I get the big bag of cashews, the big bag of cranberries, some mango slices and that way when I go in there, I'm like, oh, this is all stuff that I like, that I want to consume. Cause there's nothing worse than looking at that trail mix and you're like, eh.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're like white chocolate.

• 51:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:51Speaker 04

  Sweet. F you.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  My favorite hunting, fishing snack, uh, always has been, and it always will be our apples because it's good at any temperature, whether it's 80 degrees or 20 degrees. And it also keeps me regular. Uh, when you're like, you know, on a five day hunt or something like that, uh, that's an awful feeling when you just can't go to the bathroom. And if you're eating apples, that's never the case. It's a natural diuretic, um, at least for me. Uh, so apples are go to. And then also this year, this is the first time I had a honey stinger stuff and I have yet to have a bad product from honey sting. Their waffles, their, uh, their like energy gels, some of them have caffeine in them. I'm a really big fan, uh, of those. So apples, honey stinger stuff.

• 52:36Speaker 06

  Nice thing to add to some apples too, is you can get those Justin's peanut butter packets or hazelnut butter packets. If you need just a little more protein or something.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's good, uh, like at 5 a.m. and it's good at 5 p.m. Uh, an apple.

• 52:50Speaker 06

  And they keep.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  That's right. Like I said, 80 degrees or 20 degrees.

• 52:54Speaker 05

  All this stuff applies to peanut butter and jellies too.

• 52:57Speaker 04

  Well, like the dark chocolate, uh, Justin's peanut butter cups.

• 53:01Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 04

  You know, I'll like.

• 53:03Speaker 06

  It's an expensive item, but they are good.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  It is, but like when I'm at night, um, I'm heating up my meal or whatever. I always boil enough water for my meal and, uh, like a cup of tea, which could just be, um, you know, like one of those salt packet deals. Um, or a liquid IV or something thrown in water. That's, you know, hot flavored drink. And then we'll have my like dark chocolate peanut butter cup.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  That's like my whole, whole backpack in dinner.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  Right there.

• 53:37Speaker 03

  Corey, is there a, is there a universal snack you could bring guiding that anybody would eat and enjoy?

• 53:44Speaker 07

  Jerky.

• 53:45Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 53:45Speaker 07

  Yeah. And it also, every bite reminds you why you're out there.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 53:49Speaker 07

  Homemade jerky. And I don't know, the store bought stuff's okay. Man, it's expensive these days though. So some homemade venison jerky. Sam and jerky too.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  It's all these damn diet trends. Getting into the jerky world.

• 54:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, the whole carnivore, yes.

• 54:04Speaker 06

  I've been souping up the PB and J a little bit the last few years and Jess Johnson, you know, from Artemis down there in Wyoming, she turned me on to it and it's just, do it on a tortilla instead.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:17Speaker 06

  Maybe you need a little less bread in your life. Maybe not. Maybe it's a different flavor. But then I also have been putting in like a slice or two of bacon.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 54:26Speaker 06

  And then peanut butter, jelly, bacon.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  Hmm. It's real canvas.

• 54:30Speaker 06

  That'll set you free, brother.

• 54:31Speaker 03

  Hmm. I'll buy Jack Link's every now and then, just hoping that there's gonna be like a little note inside saying I can come hunt their property, like I won an award. They own like 20,000 acres of badass ground in western South Dakota where they raise the cattle that turn into the beef that you eat.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  So someday, someday I'm gonna open up that package and it's gonna say, congratulations, you won a mule deer hunt.

• 54:56Speaker 06

  I think you're very sneakily right now, just like throwing.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  That's absolutely what I'm doing. Absolutely what I'm doing.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  Justin K's, Jack Link's are big fans.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  It's not even sneaky.

• 55:07Speaker 06

  He's seeding his dreams into the world.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not even sneaky and their names are the Links, uh, by the way.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  Oh, you're kidding me?

• 55:14Speaker 03

  No, it's L I N K, the Links.

• 55:16Speaker 07

  They make their own sausage too?

• 55:17Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

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• 58:06Speaker 03

  Alright, their next question is from Si. "My family has always owned dogs, but now we're ready to own THE dog." "The" was all capitalized. "A dog that hunts and is great with the family, the kind of dog you remember long after they're gone. Does the crew have any recommendations for how to pick the right breeder or pup?" And to answer this question, here is Tony Peterson.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  We should always be looking for the dog that's like the best dog ever, I think, anyway. But you know, a lot of people focus on the off switch, which is sort of a minor thing, even though it doesn't seem like it, you just train that in. Like you can train any dog to be a good dog in your house. You can't train a dog to have extra drive out in the field. So for me, that's my focus when I'm picking a pup or I have somebody looking for, for, you know, a litter for me. And so I forget about the individual dog and look at the blood. Like you want to check out the pedigrees. And for me to get a lot of drive, I like to have some hunt tests and some field trial.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  You know, competitors, champions in the mix somewhere in there. At the very least, you know, you're going to get a dog that really likes to work, is intelligent, it's going to be an athlete. And there's going to be a lot of good health checks that come along with that. And that's the way you're going to get the drive that you're going to have to work with. And then you're going to have to take that pup home and just train that off switch.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  Cal, how did you select Snort?

• 59:34Speaker 04

  What the hell? Well, I liked a lot of what Tony just said because yeah, the drive is, is what you need and it's hard to like encourage more drive if that's what you're looking for. It's way better to try to train for the off switch. So folks can't see it, but. Snort here, here, come on, up, up. Snort's been here the whole time.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  Good snort.

• 1:00:03Speaker 04

  Um, and this dog's got an incredible amount of drive. And runs like a bat out of hell and, and has all the things, um, sometimes too much of them in the field, but she's just been crashed here on, on the floor for, I mean, hours.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  And, uh, she's four, which, you know, is, is plenty old for some folks, but I know a lot of people listening probably have that dog. You're like, no, that dog's eight and everybody still thinks it's a puppy. Um, and I think hunting is, is a great way to take dogs that have a ton of drive. And these dogs understand they're like, oh, here's where all of my energy and neuroticism go into this thing that like really clicks with, with that little doggy soul. Um, and I think there's a lot of knucklehead, uh, Labrador Retrievers out there.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  Are that way because they don't, they don't get a hunt. Um, I picked Snort exactly like Tony said. So I said, Hey, I want a dog that is, uh, a little hard headed. And, uh, has some independence. Um, and when I went and picked her up, I still have a video of it. She had a pink collar. A lot of these breeders, they're like, yeah, they tie ribbons around them or color coat them somehow, some way. And, um, she was the only puppy that was not like up at the gate, paying attention to what's going on.

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  But when I walked in, all the puppies got up on the gate and they're like, oh, something interesting's happening. And then the pink collar girl turned around and all the puppies just spread out of the way.

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  And Snort came up to the, to the fence and was like, hmm. And at that point, I was like, oh, man, maybe I shouldn't have done this.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Spiritual at that point.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  Well, I, I was, I interpreted it more as like, oh, that's the alpha female in this thing. And she's like, all the puppy litter was like, get out of her way.

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  And she's picking you. You're not even picking her.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  I don't think she was picking me. I think she's just like sizing things up. So, uh, but the, uh, plane ride home and everything. She was like, oh, I am, I need, I need a friend here. Cause this is scary, scary stuff. And, uh, and that's where the bond was, was formed initially. So, but yeah, I like, I like that. I like, um, higher drive, uh, more competitiveness, um, stuff like that. You know, you can train out some bad behaviors. It's just hard to build them in.

• 1:02:52Speaker 06

  I feel bad.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  You can hear Tony talk about more of those things on, uh, Hownations right now on Cal's Week in Review.

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  Which I think is a very unique dog podcast. Uh, it, in the world of dog podcasts out there, I think this is a unique take. So Tony's doing an awesome job.

• 1:03:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, I feel, I feel bad for all the dogs that this family has had prior to this moment. Because they're, they're not remembered. They're just like cast off, forgotten. And, uh, you know, I don't even know if they got a proper burial.

• 1:03:25Speaker 05

  But deep down, when those dogs know.

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  It's time to quit messing around.

• 1:03:29Speaker 05

  When those dogs look in the mirror, they know what they're looking at. I mean, do you think they're really?

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  A dog, not the dog.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  Not the dog.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  Yanni, how many trips did you make to the pound before you found Mingus?

• 1:03:41Speaker 06

  I only made one.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:03:43Speaker 06

  Uh,

• 1:03:43Speaker 03

  Did you have an inside source there?

• 1:03:45Speaker 06

  No, no, uh, cause at the, at the time, um, what had happened is I had, uh, been researching dogs way too long. Like over a year, maybe even coming on two. And it got to the point where my family said, uh, F this, we're just ready for anything with fur and at least a couple of legs and we'll be good. You know, we just need something to rub on. And, um, so I just got a phone call that said, hey, we're heading down to, uh, the Stafford Shelter in Livingston. They've got a bunch of, uh, blue tick, uh, coon hounds. You know, if you want any input on this, you, you better come down too. So, uh, on the way there, I'm like calling my buddy Jake who runs house. I'm like, hey, what do you know about blue tick

• 1:04:27Speaker 06

  coon hounds, you know, cause it looks like we've got a chance. So the way we picked out a dog is that basically by the time I got there, I got there just in time to see the guy from the shelter, basically shoving my kids into the cage with the puppies and locking the lash behind them. And then they just had a ball in there and uh, yeah, they, they picked out the mild mannered one.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  Oh, hmm. So there were, you had other options there besides Mingus?

• 1:04:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, there were two others that were definitely, at, at that moment in time, it's hard to tell because Mingus looked emaciated. And I think that he, if I had to guess, the other two males were just stronger, tougher. And when there was any food around, Mingus was not getting a bite, right? Because the other two were pushing him out of the way, maybe. Um, he was literally a bag of bones. And, um, so, uh, yes, we could have picked what was seemed to be more, you know, aggressive, more energetic, definitely healthier looking in the moment dogs. But we went with the mellow one.

• 1:05:32Speaker 04

  Mingus was, Mingus is huge. Or I mean, he's not as, he's probably not as big as he.

• 1:05:37Speaker 06

  If you let him, he will easily hit a hundred pounds.

• 1:05:41Speaker 04

  Big boy. And, uh, I brought Snort home, you know, at like seven and a half weeks. Little tiny puppy and, and Mingus is the first dog. Cause we were watching Mingus at, at, at the time. Um, so I got, brought a Snort home and put her down in her kennel and just opened the door and was like, don't drag her out of there. Let her have her space. And then eventually she crept out and crawled into bed with Mingus. I mean, you want to, I mean, just.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  They're good size.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  Cute. Cute. But Mingus is giant dog, like real hunting dog. Like gentle old soul, man. Good, good dog.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  Randall, you think you own as many dogs as everyone else in here combined?

• 1:06:26Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  How did you pick those?

• 1:06:28Speaker 06

  Well, uh, our most recent dog was a rescue from a, uh, a breeding operation. So we got her when she was six and a half. And, uh,

• 1:06:41Speaker 05

  Just a delightful animal, terrified of everything, people mostly. But we didn't really have choices there. We saw this Facebook post that they were trying to find a new home for this dog. And so that's how we got Lil. Dolly, we this was like the day or like the we had a we were gonna go to New Orleans for a wedding. The wedding got canceled because of COVID. So we're like, well, we're gonna be home for a little while. It seems it seems like a good time to get a puppy. So we called around and tried to find a litter that was available within a five hour drive. And sure enough, we drove down to St. Anthony, Idaho, and there were two puppies left in this litter.

• 1:07:24Speaker 05

  And the one was like this, and then the other one was like this on top of it. And I can't remember if Dolly They were in a pretzel formation. Yeah, I can't remember if Dolly is on the top or the bottom. But we're like, how bad? I mean, they're both doing cute things. Plus, there aren't any other options. So we grabbed Dolly and drove home. And then the lockdown order went into effect. Rosie, I don't know what we did to get so lucky to have Rosie, but

• 1:07:50Speaker 05

  yeah, none of our dog buying experiences, I probably, if I just started from scratch and sketched out the playbook, they it would in no way resemble how we got our dogs, but

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  Not applicable.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  Nope, nope. I mean, asking how to buy a dog.

• 1:08:06Speaker 05

  That's a good hunting dog, and that is going to make you proud in the field and and is going to be well behaved at home. Asking me that question is like, I don't know, asking someone who's never been in a serious relationship, what their marriage advice is or something to that effect. I just, I don't know. I have dogs, but they don't fit that profile, so.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  They just exist.

• 1:08:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Like, Dolly doesn't have an off switch. She just carries the tennis ball around and puts it in your lap. But we love her still.

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  Corey, anything to add?

• 1:08:36Speaker 07

  Man, I don't really have a dog in this fight.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  Oh, good one. All right.

• 1:08:40Speaker 05

  And so our next question is

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  We're gonna do our final question. This is from Nancy. What would y'all be doing if you didn't work at Meat Eater? What's your dream job? And to answer this, here is Clay Newcomb.

• 1:08:51Speaker 06

  I am very interested to hear this.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Spencer, you asked me what I would do if I didn't work for Meat Eater and I was doing my dream job. Man, I'm really ambitious and that would just shoot for the stars. I would like to raise and train young mules.

• 1:09:10Speaker 07

  And about every two years, sell a crop of really high dollar finished mules. That would be part one of my entrepreneurial uh business. Because I've always valued independence over finances. So part one would be mules. Part two would be, I would raise a few squirrel dogs every year. Now, there's not a big, it's not big money in squirrel dogs, don't get the wrong idea. But you know, it'd be just enough to make it worth it. I'd probably have to supplement it with some manual labor. I've got a college degree. I mean, like, I could go work in the business sector or something, probably, maybe, I don't know. And, but that would just be ridiculous. Not gonna do that. So I would probably have to uh do stonework.

• 1:09:55Speaker 07

  That's kind of something that I do. I do masonry work. And lastly, I'd commercial fish with Brent Reeves. Me and Brent Reeves would own the southern fish market. That's my dream, dream entrepreneurial package, right there.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Yanis, dream job? Raising mules and catching fish?

• 1:10:15Speaker 06

  Hmm. I think it'd be fun to learn how to, how to train a mule. Um, but not my dream job. You know, I have been thinking about that lately. I've been really getting into the habitat management thing over there in Wisconsin. And I could see it'd be, that I, sometimes I get jealous of those foresters and those people that are doing that work. So I look at them, I go, man, I think they might be spending more time outdoors than I am. You know, cause even in the off season, right? They're just out in the woods, working some way or another, you know? And uh, I don't know, I've been, I've been digging, going into that rabbit hole. And uh, so I could see doing that.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  We had a trivia question before about the happiest profession in America. Uh, and it's forestry. People who work in forestry are the happiest. Not just, not just happiest of folks in like the outdoor industry or people who work outside. Just the happiest in the entire country. Corey, how about you?

• 1:11:19Speaker 07

  A surf instructor in Costa Rica.

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  Do you know how to surf?

• 1:11:23Speaker 07

  I can stand up on a surfboard.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  You can?

• 1:11:26Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:11:27Speaker 07

  But I don't know if I'm technically surfing or not.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  You're way better surfer than I am.

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  Why Costa Rica?

• 1:11:32Speaker 07

  Uh, behind a boat on Whitefish Lake growing up.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Oh, that don't count.

• 1:11:37Speaker 07

  Oh, no, but it does translate into the ocean just fine.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  Have you gone in the ocean?

• 1:11:41Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm, in Hawaii.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:11:43Speaker 07

  But if I could, if I could afford it, I'd drop everything and move my family to Costa Rica and just live in a banana house on the beach.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  Given your complexion, for your long-term health, I think it's a good thing that you're not a surf instructor.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  Widowmaker.

• 1:11:57Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah. Or a professional golfer.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:12:02Speaker 07

  Golf courses aside.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Corey is a great golfer.

• 1:12:04Speaker 05

  Can I be a magician? I mean, come on, what are we doing?

• 1:12:08Speaker 07

  I'm the best golfer.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  Corey is genuinely Meat Eater's best golfer, and he does it like, once a year. Sometimes, once every two years.

• 1:12:16Speaker 07

  Didn't make it out this year, so.

• 1:12:17Speaker 04

  But he played thousands, thousands of days prior.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  But it, for most people, golf isn't like that, where like, you just don't play for a decade and then you go play and you're still good. Corey, it is like that.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  Well, most people overthink shit, you know?

• 1:12:32Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  Golfing is a lot of that.

• 1:12:33Speaker 07

  Not thinking at all.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. I could work the rest of my life to be as good as Corey and it wouldn't happen.

• 1:12:38Speaker 07

  I don't think so.

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  Genuinely. My dream job, uh, I would wanna be a fantasy football commissioner for high rollers. Imagine leagues that have like, a million dollar purse, where, uh, I'm the commissioner for like, Michael Jordan and Jerry Seinfeld and Snoop Dogg. And, and every single week, I'm like, writing a newsletter for them, I'm hosting just an absolute banger draft party at the beginning of the year.

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  I'll be honest with you, Spencer, I, I can't imagine it.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Uh, it'd be great. I would design logos for each team, I'd have power rankings, I would be so good at that job. Uh, and I, and I would just be like, the fantasy football commissioner of the stars.

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  I can't even tell you that I want that for you, because I have no idea what you're talking about.

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that's good. The other thing, I'd love to be, you know, like a hunting consultant, maybe if like, Jack Link's, you know, they need like, a hunting consultant for their property.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Tell me more.

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then I'd go out there and be like, well, here's how I'd do it, uh, and then they would pay me, and I'd also get to hunt there, so that, I think, I think that's the other one.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  They'd probably pay you enough that you'd just be able to buy your own 20,000 acres.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Randall, dream job?

• 1:13:45Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  Besides playing meat eater trivia.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  I was gonna say playing professional basketball.

• 1:13:52Speaker 05

  I can shoot a basketball.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you're like, you're tall enough to be a point guard.

• 1:13:56Speaker 05

  Oh, no. Yeah, I thought if we were just doing our dream jobs, we could arbitrarily change everything about ourselves. So I'd be six eight.

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  I don't think we've quite done that. I mean, Spencer did just kinda.

• 1:14:08Speaker 06

  That job does exist, though.

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 1:14:10Speaker 06

  Your dream job.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  I mean, so the surf instructor in Costa Rica and forestry.

• 1:14:18Speaker 05

  Geez.

• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  Six eight Randall playing small forward.

• 1:14:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I should have thought about this more.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  Cal, dream job. We'll come back to Randall while he thinks about it.

• 1:14:30Speaker 04

  Uh, food truck. For part of the year. That'd be great.

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  Have you ever watched?

• 1:14:36Speaker 05

  This is very attainable.

• 1:14:37Speaker 03

  Have you ever watched a great American food truck race?

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:14:40Speaker 03

  It's a lot of fun.

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  Tell me more about why that would be a dream job for you. Uh, I really like food. I really like people appreciating the food that I cook. And here in Bozangels, there's just like this horrible void of the breakfast sandwich market where it's like, man, you want to fork over fourteen dollars for just a crappy breakfast or anything?

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  Yes, I don't.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Man, it's here in Bozeman.

• 1:15:12Speaker 05

  Very true.

• 1:15:13Speaker 04

  Oh, just ridiculously overcomplicated crap.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  So, yeah, good coffee, breakfast sandwich, open until we're closed.

• 1:15:25Speaker 06

  Do you already know the, uh, the makeup of this breakfast sandwich? Like, do you make it out home? I want to hear.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Um, well, the sandwich is Egg McMuffin.

• 1:15:37Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  Right, just, just like a nice solid Egg McMuffin.

• 1:15:41Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:15:41Speaker 04

  And.

• 1:15:42Speaker 06

  American cheese?

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  Canadian bacon?

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:15:48Speaker 04

  What's wrong with American bacon?

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  Love it or leave it, Randall.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  Is it butter on the muffin or what are we putting on the muffin?

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  Mayonnaise.

• 1:15:56Speaker 06

  Ooh, yeah, yes.

• 1:15:58Speaker 03

  That's, that's what I do with cream cheese.

• 1:15:59Speaker 06

  But don't tell anybody. Cause they'll love it.

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:03Speaker 06

  But if you tell them, they'll be like.

• 1:16:04Speaker 05

  So good about this.

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, so that, that's one part of it. And then, yeah, I want like, you know, a reasonably sized, uh, you know, farm and grazing operation.

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  And I want to live in the middle of it.

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  Okay. Randall?

• 1:16:27Speaker 05

  I want to be, uh,

• 1:16:30Speaker 05

  I want to be like a, like a property manager, but like, it's not, it's not actually like, some of the like, oh, he's got a guy.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  You want to be like Magnum P I.

• 1:16:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  It's like, oh, he lives in that giant house.

• 1:16:41Speaker 05

  They're like, they're like, I don't really know what he does, but he seems to be comfortable and he has access to all of this stuff that he didn't earn. I'd like to be that guy.

• 1:16:49Speaker 04

  Lamborghini helicopter.

• 1:16:50Speaker 05

  He's gotta get the boat. Oh, you know, so and so's coming in for, to, for a fishing trip. He's gotta get the boats out. Make sure the boats are all running well.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  And then you tell someone to get the boats out.

• 1:17:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. I have like a couple of like local teenagers that do most of the work for me.

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:05Speaker 05

  Uh, but.

• 1:17:05Speaker 04

  And you just shower them in wisdom.

• 1:17:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. And, and, uh, but, but I'm just sort of grumpy all the time despite, uh, this.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  You know where the name Evanrude comes from?

• 1:17:14Speaker 05

  Embarrassingly comfortable situation that I've stumbled into. Um, I think that would work well for me.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Speaker 05

  Yeah. I don't know about the food truck thing. It just seems hot in there. Um.

• 1:17:26Speaker 06

  Lot of work too.

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Speaker 06

  Doesn't sound like what your dream job entails.

• 1:17:29Speaker 05

  Schedule. Yeah. Actually, I was at a bar, uh, last year and there's, there were two women and, uh, they were dressed well and someone asked, oh, what do you do? And, and she said, uh, She said, yeah, I'm a, I'm a, I manage money. I'm a financial manager. And her friend said, her friend sort of popped her balloon. She's like, yeah, she just manages our money.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:17:55Speaker 05

  And so that's what I like to do.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'd learned the first year in Bozeman that the, the question of saying like, what do you do for a living? Can be a little indelicate sometimes.

• 1:18:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  So I've heard folks phrase it, what, what keeps you busy? And that's like an opening to saying what your career is, or if you don't have a career, what you do instead.

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'd like to be a dilettante with a vast portfolio.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. So we've got, we've got Randall as the starting small forward for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Uh, Cal has the best food truck in Bozeman. I'm the fantasy football commissioner.

• 1:18:30Speaker 04

  Only if you want breakfast sandwiches, my way.

• 1:18:32Speaker 05

  Cory's, Cory's sun baked on a beach somewhere.

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  In Costa Rica.

• 1:18:37Speaker 04

  For the next six years.

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Showing people how to stand on a surfboard.

• 1:18:41Speaker 05

  Drinking out of a coconut.

• 1:18:42Speaker 04

  Cutting, cutting giant oaks down.

• 1:18:44Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yannis is missing a limb.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  Billy Engineer, what would be your dream job?

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  Oh, well, I'm pretty lucky because my dream job would be, uh, being a podcast engineer for the ringer.com. Please somebody help me. I'm trapped. I would leave in a heartbeat. Pop culture, sports. I don't give a shit. Get me out of here.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  That is the end of the show. We're going to cut it off right there. Happy New Year. Good luck.

• 1:19:10Speaker 04

  Happy New Year.

• 1:19:12Speaker 03

  We'll see you next week with our regularly scheduled Meat Eater Radio live programming.

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