Screen Depreciation; CHEAP V12s; Rainy Days; Q&A

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman discuss cars that ride better in odd suspension settings; EVs are fun in the rain; how screens will effect a car's collectibility; bearing technology and the fear that comes with it; and answer Patreon questions including: MFK/LBF: Toyota Land Cruiser vs Lexus GX550 vs Defender 110 Best value/dollar for a RWD V12? (Shockingly cheap) Rarest cars we've driven? How will the Maybachs age? The watches Matt tried and didn't like Pontiac G8GXP: the American E39 M5? Choose my AWD beater for bikes and dogs How would we "Singer" a Ferrari, and which one? Should you finance a driving vacation? 5 cylinder Golf R thoughts How should we explain power under the curve? Why are there 5000 tech jobs at Ford right now? And more! Recorded November 17, 2025 Show Notes: DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com slash TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Car Gurus Buy or sell your next car today with CarGurus at cargurus.com. Go to cargurus dot com to make sure your big deal is the best deal. Hello Fresh Go to HelloFresh.com/smokingtire10fm now to Get 10 Free Meals + a Free breakfast for Life! One per box with active subscription. Free meals applied as discount on first box, new subscribers only, varies by plan. Hydrow Head over to Hydrow.com and use code TIRE to save up to $600 off on Hydrow rower during this holiday season. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:28Matt Farah?

  finally, we got some rain here, and it has made the roads very, very fun, and I learned a whole lot about my Taycan, and we try to ponder cars that are actually better when the suspension is set stiffer. It's harder to think of than you actually can. Plus, are cars collectible when they have touchscreens? Can they come back up? And so many good questions from our patrons this week. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go!

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  We had this event, you can speed it whenever you're ready. I am. You know, we had this watch event at the shop and I used the PA speakers to just like play some Bluetooth music from my computer and I ran a microphone, XLR, just directly into the back of one. Yeah. To like have a little thing. And so, but when I first, you know, I plugged in the one speaker and then daisy chained the other speaker, right? And I plugged the mic in and it was like real quiet. And the main knob that seemed to control volume didn't really do anything. So I went into the menu and went into the Channel 1 gain, which is where the mic was plugged in, and like turned it up. And like that worked and the mic got louder. I'm like, alright, fine.

• 2:48Matt Farah?

  I then played music over Bluetooth and, you know, I had, I used the volume controls like on my computer to make adjustments and like it worked fine. And I, um, and then Christian took the PA, because he was gonna use it for his show. Well, he calls me the next day, like texts me and then calls me. I don't pick up because my phone is on like silent or whatever. Texts me again like, "Please call me, please call me." I call him as soon as I get it and he goes, "You gotta tell me what you did." And I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, "To the PA, like what did you, what did you change?" And, and by the way, he was there. Like he came to this event. He didn't set it up with me, but he was, he was there.

• 3:34Matt Farah?

  And so, uh, so he heard like the levels weren't all fucked up. Like he made a playlist, like so, so, and, but he's like, "You gotta tell me what you did." And I go, "What do you mean?" "All I did was I changed the gain." He goes, "Uh, yeah, the gain, the gain seems fine." I go, "No, no, there's like the main gain and then you like hold down the button to go into the menus and it's where you change like more settings and connect to the Bluetooth and whatever." And I said, "There's a gain, another gain setting for Channel 1 and Channel 2 and I turned up the gain on Channel 1 and that made the microphone work. That's all I did." And he goes, "That's all you did?" And I go, "That's all I did."

• 4:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, and he's like, "Because one of these speakers sounds fine and the other one is like functionally useless." And I go, "Look..." You're an audio engineer and I'm just a moron.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:30Matt Farah?

  That was trying to make a microphone sound good. I, you know, I only changed one setting and like, I really assumed that whatever I changed, you would be able to easily change back. You can walk up to any stereo and make it sound as best as it can sound. That's like your gig. And so I was like, I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but that's all I did. So he goes, alright, alright. And like, so the next morning, I went like, hey, man. I didn't, you know, he went to, he did his show or whatever and I didn't hear anything. Next morning, he goes, I go, hey, man, like, how'd it go? He goes, oh, well, your PA system is like not usable. We have to, we have to get together.

• 5:14Matt Farah?

  This is, I mean, it's like brand new. We have to get together.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  I can hear him say.

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  And he goes, and you have to, you have to tell, you have to show me like what you did.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Oh, he couldn't find the menu.

• 5:25Matt Farah?

  He said he had to get a backup PA to do his show. So imagine his level of panic.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 5:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, even compared to my, you think my level, he's like a 10X, you know? If I'm a, if, if, if, if you're the balance of a Lotus Amira, I am more like a GT2 RS.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Your GT3 RS, sure.

• 5:46Matt Farah?

  GT2 RS probably, like, you know, a little tail happy maybe. Christian, you know, is like.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  He's a go-kart, there's no suspension.

• 5:54Matt Farah?

  SSC traction off.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Good, good, good, good.

• 5:56Matt Farah?

  In terms of the, the ability to panic over things, so.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  He grumbles more too. He's got like the rumbly grumble.

• 6:04Matt Farah?

  But like, yeah, so I gotta, we have, we have an appointment.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  To fix it?

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  I don't know, like, I, I, I don't know, but like, I bet you whatever he did to try to fix it, he made it somehow worse. Cause I don't know, I don't know what he did.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  This blame circle's fun.

• 6:18Matt Farah?

  No, no, like, because he probably changed a bunch of other things.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Right, no, it's fun.

• 6:22Matt Farah?

  And I don't know what those are, you know?

• 6:24Speaker 01

  I wanna know, when you see him, ask what, how long it was between calling you and sourcing another PA? Was it like minutes, hours?

• 6:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  I wanna know how long, how much time went by? Cause I think that, I need to aim this camera.

• 6:41Matt Farah?

  I felt, I felt really, really bad. I mean, I don't, you know, but like, I didn't think there was any way I could fuck up the settings on like a basic PA speaker enough that he couldn't make it sound normal.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  It's, it's probably that he couldn't find the menu, because I, I remember, um.

• 7:00Matt Farah?

  The controls on this, this speaker, by the way, are the least, they're not intuitive.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 7:06Matt Farah?

  I, I told, it took me a whole bunch of different times of, was it a double tap or hold, a hold and like let go on this dumb button and like, like the way like, yeah, it's hard to navigate.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  So when we, when we would get, at, at Tangent Vector, we used to have a couple of different cameras, primarily Sony F7s, FS7, FS7. But I, I remember I was shooting something, like I was on the ground, I had no instruction of how to use this thing other than hit record.

• 7:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  And I needed to change something and I called Armin, our friend Armin Bog, amazing director, DP editor, like he knows all things camera, about every camera, it's amazing. And his secret is that there are websites you can go to that mirror the, the exact menus and you can like, like,

• 7:47Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Like, it's like paper trading or, um, it's just running through the menus on your computer to know where things are.

• 7:54Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  And he showed me that, I was like, holy crap, that's an incredible resource provided by Sony or whoever.

• 7:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  So you need that for the PA so that Christian knows which knob to hold, which brings you to this hidden menu and then you gotta change the gain.

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  The inner gain, not the outer gain.

• 8:08Matt Farah?

  I guarantee you, he didn't even find the inner gain. Yeah.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  How did you, you read the manual? Like, how'd you know how to hold this button to get to other things?

• 8:17Matt Farah?

  There's only three buttons on the back of the thing and I had got there like an hour early, so I wasn't stressed for time and I assumed I wouldn't know what I was doing. So I gave myself like, plenty of time to like fuck around with it. So, when not pressed by ti- with time, I was able to like sit there and go. This isn't right. Why, there must be another menu and like, just like, you know, you know where this skill comes from? You will know. Traction control.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:47Matt Farah?

  This is a 100% traction control skill.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  We as monkeys have learned that pressing a button and holding it can bring you a different result than just pressing the button.

• 8:57Matt Farah?

  Right. Or like, have you driven a GM lately? Like, there's a double tap and a triple tap and a seven fucking tap.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  FRS, it's a tap, tap. Yeah, that's true. You gotta know all those things.

• 9:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, that's how we, that's how I learned this skill.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  That stuff is challenging too.

• 9:11Matt Farah?

  I found it, I mean, it was by luck. I'm just trying different combinations that turns fucking traction control off in various cars. There we go, you know?

• 9:20Speaker 01

  But it works. Like, I was trying to help my dad do some stuff on a computer. And you know, he was an ER doctor for like 40 years, and they had a computer system. But if you, if he has to do something outside that system, he's like, I don't know how to do this stuff. And it's because he didn't go to computer class where we, you and I learned the basics of just moving files when you're eight years old. And now it translates, when you're 40, you still know how to move these basic functions, or to turn traction off. But if you never did that shit, because all you did was type in prescriptions and, I don't know, lung assessments, then you don't know.

• 9:51Matt Farah?

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• 13:30Matt Farah?

  It's no wonder similar web estimated traffic data shows that Car Gurus is the number one most visited car shopping site. So buy or sell your next car today with Car Gurus over at cargurus.com. That's cargurus.com. And now, back to the show. Speaking of traction control off, it's been raining for like four days. And I turned some traction control off. I had a little bit of fun.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it turns out the Taycan, if it's wet, you can initiate a little bit.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Really?

• 14:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you go full off, you can.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  I forget, is it a 4S?

• 14:04Matt Farah?

  It's just a 4.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a 4?

• 14:05Matt Farah?

  It's just a 4.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  It's a rear bias 4?

• 14:07Matt Farah?

  No, I mean, like, yeah, yes, it is. It is a rear bias 4. Like, if you have, if you have the right set of circumstances, like, you can initiate a slide in that car and get a couple of degrees of fun out of it in the wet.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 14:21Matt Farah?

  Yes, you can. You can do it, you can do this in the dry, in like a Turbo S.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 14:27Matt Farah?

  And also, it's fun, it's like, did you have any wet fun?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Not.

• 14:31Matt Farah?

  That's a gross thing to say.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Jim Norton's listening now.

• 14:34Matt Farah?

  That's the name of his new special.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  It would be, no, his new special is great, if you haven't heard it, by the way. No, it always seems like, my tires are very sticky, so if it's even damp, they're still pretty sticky. I need it to be like raining, but finding a place to do that, around here, there are a lot of really bumpy, effed up roads.

• 14:52Matt Farah?

  There are.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  And I need to find the good ones. Occasionally, but not this week, no.

• 14:55Matt Farah?

  Do you want me to tell you where to do it?

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but do it off the show.

• 14:59Matt Farah?

  It's really obvious when you think about it. It's, there's like, it's, what's great about my location is, it's incredibly safe, and there's strong visibility in all directions, for all the reasons you would want.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Is it a left turn?

• 15:14Matt Farah?

  It's a right turn.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Is it near a large, dark building?

• 15:20Matt Farah?

  A large, dark building?

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:23Matt Farah?

  Well, that describes so many places, dude. That describes so many places.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  That's true, alright.

• 15:28Matt Farah?

  That's not a fun game for the play on the podcast. I'll just drop you a pin.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Just tell me later. But yes, I would love to drift around the Waymos that gather in that parking lot, like schools of fish.

• 15:38Matt Farah?

  Waymo's on highways now. Have you seen them?

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 15:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Waymo's on the 405 now. We've seen them testing with human safety drivers for like eight months, so I knew this was gonna be coming, but like, yeah, they haven't expanded the map. So you're still, you're still limited, and so it's, depending on the hour of the day, the ability to go on the highway could have limited functionality. Like, if you're trying to go from here across town to like Hollywood, like highway don't help anyway. But a lot of the distances with ways within that map, it can help at the right time of day, so that's fun. But like, just going back to the rain, one thing that it made me remember about the Taycan

• 16:25Matt Farah?

  is because it's a four,

• 16:29Matt Farah?

  it's like the softest one, right? And so when you drive around in like comfort mode, it basically turns off, like it's on air suspension, but it turns off like a lot of the damping. So it's like really soft and wallowy, which for your day-to-day, you know, potholed shitty urban, you know, hellscape is fine. But actually, if you put it in sport mode, it turns up the damping and it feels, you go, oh, it's actually supposed to feel like this. It's probably what normal mode is in a 4S. They probably built a 4S and then just took the fucking damping out of it to make a 4,

• 17:09Matt Farah?

  more or less, because like, it actually, it's not much stiffer, but it has just way better body control. And so, over the last couple of weeks, I've started just putting the...

• 17:22Matt Farah?

  chassis in sport mode while even leaving the powertrain in normal, just like the opposite of anything I would do in any other car.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  That's true, you never do that. You're always soft with maximum kill of transmission and engine.

• 17:35Matt Farah?

  But this car is too soft in soft mode and is just right in sport. There's also a sport plus, but it's just right in sport for kind of every day. If the roads are anything above total garbage. So, there's not a lot of cars where I do that. I can't even think of any, really.

• 17:55Matt Farah?

  Have you ever, is there any car where you would, where the sport mode is better all the time than?

• 18:01Speaker 01

  I know there is, I'm struggling to think of it.

• 18:03Matt Farah?

  The M5 Touring, actually.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've been, yes, that's a good example. We've been in cars where they're so under damped in normal that the car moves around too much. The M5 is a great example. So, going down the road, even though you want to soak up those bumps, the body feels out of control, basically. It feels like it's moving and having these secondary motions. So, that's, that's a good example.

• 18:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. My Box sedan was like that, actually. Cause the SUV has the hydraulic, so it's a little more settled even in normal mode. But the My Box sedan, it's just, it wants to be so soft that in regular mode, it's like too soft. And if you put it in sport, it's actually like really nice. It's just clearly not, My Box are set up to be driven in, so you really don't want one if you're just driving yourself around.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  I think the super soft settings work if you're going straight on a highway. It just absorbs those bumps, right? But if you have to turn at all, then, and there's a bump in the turn, then you kind of get this like weird gyroscope, you know, you feel like you're dancing and dizzy.

• 19:03Matt Farah?

  Especially if you're talking about air suspensions, which when they're soft are really, really soft.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  It's just an empty ball sack there.

• 19:12Matt Farah?

  But like, but when you put it in sport, like the Taycan steering is really nice. It's really very direct and really a nice thing to, to kind of just point with, you know?

• 19:24Speaker 01

  The Driving the Slant nose was a great example of how hydraulic steering is not always better than ePass. Cause nowadays, in my opinion, the ePass, if they get the ratio right, the feedback's good and

• 19:38Speaker 01

  The assist is the right amount. I go, well, this feels more direct and I can feel the tires and stuff. And it's a rack speed I'm used to because it's a modern rack speed and I like it more.

• 19:49Matt Farah?

  Is it power?

• 19:51Speaker 01

  What, the Slantos?

• 19:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Most G-bodies don't have power steering.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  It didn't feel power when I was going slowly.

• 19:59Matt Farah?

  Most G-bodies are not going to be power steering cars.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Oh, so it's not hydraulic, so it's just manual, which also sometimes can feel great.

• 20:06Matt Farah?

  That's why they have the big wheel. Gives you much, much better like leverage and feel. If the wheel was really small, like when I put the really small wheel on the Safari and then went like, oh no, it was like way too heavy.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  I don't think it was that small. I had a picture somewhere. But I don't know, it's just some of the E-Pass systems are great. And then some, like the old, you know, 6th gen Camaro is like, you hit it in sport mode and it weighs more. It's harder to turn, but you don't feel anything. So that's not good.

• 20:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, the Slantos. But yeah, I think it's drizzling right now a little bit, but I think the rain is, uh, it's like, it's for the rest, anywhere else in the country, like rain is such a normal thing. Here, if it rains for four days in a row, that's a pretty unique situation.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's supposed to barely rain tomorrow, sunny Wednesday, rain Thursday, but.

• 20:54Matt Farah?

  I wonder how fucked up the mountains are.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Well, and you know, Marco sent us that like air-cooled hot rod monster with, you know, street legal tires technically. And he's like, and this is the worst week to have it.

• 21:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think it's a good time to drive that car.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely not. He said to not drive in the rain.

• 21:12Matt Farah?

  It looks, uh, it's like a 1970 or 71, like 911T and it's got like RS flares. And then it has what appears to be some version of a 993 engine in the back.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  It's got a rowdy engine in it and it's supposed to be quite fast. But I think weeks ago, I was like, I don't think I want to drive this in the rain. He goes, yeah, don't, definitely don't do that. And then, you know, unfortunately, that's what the weather's doing. But we'll see, maybe the forecast will change.

• 21:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it will. Cause I got, I hope it does. I have to go up to Willow Springs or something tomorrow. So, um. Oh, man. All right. But the rain did, it kept my, it kept my car weekend. You know, I didn't really have a Malibu weekend. I was supposed to go to this Cars and Coffee, this like sort of invite-only Cars and Coffee hosted by Rivian that was supposed to be cool. It got canceled because of rain. And, uh, and actually, I was supposed to be at Willow Springs all day today. I was gonna spend all day, yeah, rain. Cancelled for rain. I was gonna spend all day lapping the new streets of Willow today in that RTR thing.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  You can do it tomorrow?

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  Well, no, cuz, cuz, uh, I, well, I don't, it doesn't matter. The singer has the track all day tomorrow, so I can't, I can't use it. But I have to go up there for a different thing because WCCS is going to be selling a guy's GT4 track car, a race car. It's our first actual full-on race car we've, we've listed on, on one of the auctions. But I have to go up there and get a bunch of information and video of it, so that will be fun. And I, it's, the, uh, it's like 94 miles or so each way from my house to Willow Springs.

• 22:56Matt Farah?

  And the Taycan, you know, if I, if I go like the speed I wanna go, the range is like 210. And if I go, I have to go otherwise like 74 to be able to like comfortably get there and back with, you know, little spare. But that's okay. No worries.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  When we, when we departed Zion, we had our range was like 410, I think, in the, in the car we were in. Uh, we'll reveal that car later. We just can't yet. And we went, ooh, we might be able to make it home in one tank. And about an hour later, it was clear that we had exceeded the efficient speed.

• 23:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, we were not at peak efficiency. Speaking of peak efficiency, real quick though, you know what I did this morning? I installed, and some people are out there gonna be like, yeah, no shit.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Did you eat and poop at the same time?

• 23:45Matt Farah?

  Yes, I was a complete cycle.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Your own centipede.

• 23:49Matt Farah?

  My own funnel.

• 23:53Matt Farah?

  The, uh, I got, I did the roller blade wheel mod on my Pelican case.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:59Matt Farah?

  You gotta do it.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:01Matt Farah?

  Thad insisted I do it and I did, and it was like, you know, thirty-five dollars and I installed them in five minutes and like,

• 24:07Speaker 01

  I will do that.

• 24:08Matt Farah?

  Dude, so smooth, so quiet, no resistance.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Does it still stand up?

• 24:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 24:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  I saw a guy that did like an off-road wheel mod, but he had to put a block so that it wouldn't tip over.

• 24:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, this stands up.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this stands up. No, the diameter, the rolling diameter is the same. You might, I mean, ultimately, you might have to replace these more often. They may wear down.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 24:31Matt Farah?

  Whereas the hard plastic ones I had for ten years.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:34Matt Farah?

  But I got the Abic five bearings.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  I was just gonna ask you.

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of course I did.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  It's the only name I know in bearings.

• 24:40Matt Farah?

  Of course I did. Of course I did. How would I not?

• 24:42Speaker 01

  You kids today don't know.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Dude, putting those on a skateboard or rollerblades back in the day, you were so excited, you're like, these are gonna be great. And then you start rolling, you're like, this is too fast.

• 24:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  You know, there's a certain age where it was terrifying.

• 24:54Matt Farah?

  It got, well, my, my friend group, it got out of hand. Cause did you, did you rollerblade ever?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:00Matt Farah?

  You did?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  I skateboarded, then I rollerbladed for a few years and for some reason decided to resist the more efficient transportation that they provide and went back to skateboarding like an ass.

• 25:10Matt Farah?

  Uh, I rollerbladed, I played a little roller hockey when I was a kid. I was never very good at ice skating, but I was better at rollerblading than I was at ice skating. And, uh, and I rollerbladed, do you like, do you remember when you first met me that Tracy and I would rollerblade on the bike path? Like, I rollerbladed into like my early thirties with the, with, by the way, the same skates.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  No shit?

• 25:33Matt Farah?

  I had one pair of rollerblades. They were nineteen ninety-something rollerblade aero blades, if you recall them.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Yep, I do remember that name.

• 25:43Matt Farah?

  They were really something.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  And they got the click strap.

• 25:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the ski boot click straps, yeah.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Five wheels?

• 25:48Matt Farah?

  Four.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Four?

• 25:49Matt Farah?

  I never went with that five wheel stuff.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 25:52Matt Farah?

  But we got up to, in high school, we got up to the Abic nines, which was like,

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Those are illegal. Only the government gets those.

• 25:59Matt Farah?

  When you're 14 and or 15 and you're fucking throwing them shits in, you can hit like 60 on your roller blades. What was the fucking downhill rollerblading movie?

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Oh, Air?

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  Was it called Air?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  I think it was called Air.

• 26:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  It was, I think it was the only rollerblading movie.

• 26:17Matt Farah?

  There might have been one other, but that sounds right.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  And Seth Green was in it?

• 26:20Matt Farah?

  Yes, that's the one.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Airborne, sorry.

• 26:22Matt Farah?

  Airborne, yes.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Spelled the same way as the vitamin C supplement.

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  What kind of skates were you rocking?

• 26:29Speaker 01

  I have no idea.

• 26:30Matt Farah?

  You don't remember?

• 26:31Speaker 01

  I do not remember. If I saw a picture, I might go, probably those, but you know what?

• 26:34Matt Farah?

  Were they like small wheel freestyly skates?

• 26:37Speaker 01

  No, they were more like...

• 26:38Matt Farah?

  Just regular skates?

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Regular skates. And a friend of mine was into the freestyle thing. He had the smaller wheels in the middle for grinding, which he couldn't really do. But he could do like, I don't know, 360s over stairs and stuff, which is, it's much easier on skates than on a skateboard because they're stuck to your feet, obviously.

• 26:54Matt Farah?

  Didn't Nino do some freestyle skiing?

• 26:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Nino was very into it.

• 26:57Matt Farah?

  He did, right? Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  You know, when I rollerbladed last was three years ago, after my back repaired it again, Sarah rented me rollerblades for like, like a birthday weekend and we went on the bike path.

• 27:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Cause it was a form of exercise I could do. And I was like, this is super fun. And we covered so much ground.

• 27:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  And we're just humming along.

• 27:15Matt Farah?

  It was really fun.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:16Matt Farah?

  You know, it was when I had my skiing crash. That stopped me. That was the last time I rollerbladed, 2011. So I never went back to it.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  It's good hiking muscle workout. Your butt will be very sore after that.

• 27:29Matt Farah?

  We would do, we would go all the way from Redondo Beach to the fucking end of Manhattan Beach and back on rollerblades.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can just cruise.

• 27:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was ripping. Yeah.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 27:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. After the bike or ski accident, we switched, I switched to the bike.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Do you ever have those moments in LA where you see something, you go, this is such a stereotypical Los Angeles moment, that if it was in a movie in the 80s, you believe it.

• 27:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  But if it was in a movie today, you'd go, that doesn't happen.

• 27:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, oh, well, no, I wouldn't say I was until you said that last bit, I would say any longboard with a tow dog.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  So like that.

• 28:02Matt Farah?

  Is that, yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  I was driving down Highway one once, coming down back from Malibu and there's that huge parking lot on the right side. It's like two football fields. And this very attractive woman is wearing a very small bikini and just roller blading and it's like a pink bikini. And that was a moment where I was like, this would be in Beverly Hills Cop. And I would think that the writers just put it in there, but it's in the movie because it's in real life. Yeah, it was wild.

• 28:27Matt Farah?

  I mean, you know, living in Venice for so many years, I saw a bunch of those scenes.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 28:32Matt Farah?

  That, um, that if you saw them in the eighties would have been natural. And if you see them today, they seem very contrived.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. But they're totally happening.

• 28:41Matt Farah?

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• 29:20Matt Farah?

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• 29:52Matt Farah?

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• 30:37Matt Farah?

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• 31:20Matt Farah?

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• 32:02Matt Farah?

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• 32:44Matt Farah?

  But if you want to talk about a real intense workout that does your upper, your core and your lower in one workout. I'll tell you what, I've done elliptical, I've done cycling, I've done treadmill. I've done a speed bag. A rowing machine will get you going in the shortest amount of time. They, they are a full workout and they can, man, you can make those things super, super tough. But I love the idea of the beautiful rowing coaches from beautiful locations. That is superb. Head over to hydrow.com. That's H Y D R O W dot com. And use code tire to save up to 600 bucks off the Hydro rower during this holiday season.

• 33:29Matt Farah?

  That's Hydro, H Y D R O W dot com. Code tire to save up to 600 bucks on the Hydro rower at hydrow.com. Code tire. And now back to the show. What is the dress code? Cause Hannah and I are going to Thursday.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  It's a good question. I don't know.

• 33:50Matt Farah?

  Fancy, fancy?

• 33:51Speaker 01

  I have to wear a suit, but I, but it's LA car. Yeah, but it's LA car stuff. So.

• 33:57Matt Farah?

  So Flat Bill and

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'll be there.

• 34:00Matt Farah?

  Flat Bill and a Car Hard jacket.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, what is Ron Zaris call it, basic Car Bro like outfit, just, you know, a hat with black t-shirt and vans?

• 34:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think whatever the RSVP said, which I don't think it said anything.

• 34:13Matt Farah?

  I

• 34:13Speaker 01

  I think you can do what you want.

• 34:14Matt Farah?

  I didn't read it. I just clicked yes plus, plus wife.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know. You always have nice stuff to wear, so.

• 34:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, I could, well, yeah, but I could be, I could be silly or I could be serious, which is, you know.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  I think always, always be silly.

• 34:27Matt Farah?

  Always silly. Sleeping bag jacket then?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  People love that thing.

• 34:32Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  That got more attention than our actual show on the stage that day.

• 34:37Matt Farah?

  Fucking shout out to Bravo Charlie. Do they have a website? Can you look up if Bravo Charlie Jackets has a website? Cause I know you can get this, get it where I got it, but I don't know if you can buy them. Yeah, that's it.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  Holy moly.

• 34:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Shop Bravo Charlie.

• 34:52Matt Farah?

  Shout out to them.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Dot com.

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  Now, if you really need to get measured for it, I'm sure you could, you could go to a tailor and get measured and send your measurements in. But I met these, I got my sleeping bag jacket and I wore it to the Willow Springs Podcast, the live show. I think it was only for pros, but there's photos on Instagram, but these things are the jam. And there's so many of them.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  It's like a bomber jacket, for people listening, it's like a bomber jacket made out of eighties and early nineties.

• 35:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Sleeping bags, right?

• 35:24Matt Farah?

  Kid's sleeping bag.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  True, right. So they're very colorful patterns.

• 35:27Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 35:29Matt Farah?

  Like, it's like what I would put in the interior of my car.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:32Matt Farah?

  But I get to wear it, which is the greatest thing ever. That, that

• 35:37Speaker 01

  This is cool.

• 35:37Matt Farah?

  That one is the fucking tits.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  That's very cool.

• 35:41Matt Farah?

  Three hundred and forty-five dollars, made to measure, a jacket that looks like that? That's so sick. This is like a, like a trippy, sort of hypnotic, but very colorful, kind of hippie pattern, almost like, uh, like Janis Joplin's Portia.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  It's a lot like that.

• 35:59Matt Farah?

  God damn it, I want that.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  I wonder if this is at all.

• 36:02Matt Farah?

  Buy that before this goes live.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  If this is at all wind or waterproof?

• 36:06Matt Farah?

  No, it's a sleeping bag, not a camping sleeping bag, like a kid's bedroom sleeping bag.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Good point, okay.

• 36:12Matt Farah?

  Like having a sleepover sleeping.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's comfortable.

• 36:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so, it's, they're very soft, but it's more like a, it's more like a very cool sweatshirt than it is like a, like a weather resistant jacket. Yeah, yeah. But it's so warm. It's really like I, it's you, you don't wear it instead of a sweatshirt. You wear it instead of a jacket because it's warm. But you can't wear it in the rain. I mean, you can, but it'll get.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  It'll get wet. Like a leather, like a suede jacket.

• 36:41Matt Farah?

  No, but it's like, it's like literally.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  It'll absorb it.

• 36:44Matt Farah?

  Indoor sleeping bag. It'll just absorb whatever. Yeah. But I, I love my jacket so much.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Alright, so don't wear it on Thursday. Cause it's gonna rain and you'll be inside sweating.

• 36:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no, it's not. It's probably not good for that. But for these, uh, for like fall, winter cars and coffees, like going up to good vibes in the morning. That's the jacket for that. It's really nice. Cause if it's nice enough to be up there in the first place.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  You know, and you should have worn it. When we hiked Zion, Angels Landing.

• 37:12Matt Farah?

  I would have been very warm. I would have been, I probably would have been too warm.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  You probably would have been too hot.

• 37:16Matt Farah?

  Probably would have been too warm. One, if, if I had like, just a one layer thicker than I had. Even if it was like a regular hoodie instead of like that T-shirt hoodie.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  That probably would have been alright.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  You had like a moisture wicking workout hoodie on, right?

• 37:33Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which is good for that in some ways, but you know, bad in other ways.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  Like I had like a version of what I'm wearing now as like my outermost layer for a, I could start it at forty five degrees.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Do you own a like very thin, like running windbreaker jacket thing?

• 37:48Matt Farah?

  Yes. I've been wearing it.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  And I won't buy you one for Christmas?

• 37:51Matt Farah?

  No, no, I've been wearing it for the rain. It's my like, my rainproof like, yeah, like it's like an Oggio. Yeah. I, I have that thing. I just. Didn't fucking bring it. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, it was cold, but it was beautiful. Totally worth it.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:07Matt Farah?

  Totally worth it. Um. I don't have like a lot of other car adventures, to be honest with you, so let's go to the people. The patrons have a lot to say, we can go to them. Give us some thangs to talk about in terms of cars. Uh, we did have a, we hosted a watch event at the shop, uh, shout out to Neighborhood Watch Club. Um, it was really good people. Everybody was in to, and I, and I revealed the new color for the, the canyons and we have a fucking interest list going, it's gonna be real cool. Um, let's see. Uh, of course, the Patreon is where you ask us questions for the show, watch the live stream, get the show before everybody else, get the show without ads and get extra show and more things.

• 38:51Matt Farah?

  Um, patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast. Not to mention, uh, as a patron of any level, it does make you like 1,000x more valuable financially to us. Everyone's equally valuable emotionally to us, but financially, a lot of people are like, how do we support the show? That is like by far the best way. Uh, Honda fit these nuts is pretty fucking good. Says, uh, what are your thoughts on? Wait.

• 39:25Matt Farah?

  Okay. Okay, it's a two-part question. This is like New Land Cruiser versus Lexus GX versus Defender 110. And then part B, lease, finance, straight cash.

• 39:41Matt Farah?

  Um, okay.

• 39:45Matt Farah?

  Question number one is, is sort of like, what do you value more? In my opinion, the Defender drives the best of those options. Right? The Toyota is the most, uh, bang for your buck of those options. Yep. And the Lexus kind of falls halfway in between, but it drives a lot more like the Toyota than it does like the Defender. Mm-hmm. The Defender drives like a mini Range Rover, like a Range Rover Lite. Cause is, is the Lexus still body frame? Body on frame? They're the same, the Land Cruiser and the Lexus are the same But the Defender is not, right? No, that's unibody. Yeah. Yeah, it's unibody. So like, if you're gonna lease I would, this is like a fuck, marry, kill.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  Is that actually what we're actually, is that actually the question? We could play it that way. We're playing it that way.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Sure, let's play it that way, it's a long question.

• 40:38Matt Farah?

  So, this is the finance lease, this is it.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  It is.

• 40:41Matt Farah?

  This is the car version. Finance it, lease it, straight cash.

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:45Matt Farah?

  Right. So, so I say you finance the Land Cruiser.

• 40:52Matt Farah?

  Right? Cause you could keep it, if, cause that's someone who wants to keep it for a long time.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:57Matt Farah?

  Keep that shit for a long time, pass your finance, and then, and then beyond. Right? Lease the Defender. Make it someone else's problem.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely a lease. Oh yeah, that's, that's the one you, you fuck.

• 41:11Matt Farah?

  And straight cash on the Lexus GX, cause they have really, really good resale value.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  That's, for a second I was like, why would you not just buy the Land Cruiser? But the Lexus would have, they both have great residual value. They're both super popular names. But yeah, I guess buying the higher market one, maybe it'll hold your money a little bit better.

• 41:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, there's a lot more, uh, words to that question, but it would take us a long time to get through them. So, we made it into a game.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  If you want, I mean, go listen to the show we did with John McGuire on financing versus leasing versus cash purchase, like that, that has all the detail you need.

• 41:44Matt Farah?

  Depends more about you than it does about the car.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:47Matt Farah?

  Really.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:48Matt Farah?

  Like, what, what is your threshold for? And also is like, are you the kind of person? If you know you're gonna want a new car in three years, like, lease. Because that's a bad way to like, to buy a car and then sell it in three years. That's like, that's a bad idea. But if you're gonna buy a car to hold on to it for like a while, and we're talking about new cars.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:09Matt Farah?

  Buy a new car, hold on to it for like, as long as you can bear, kind of, you know what I mean? If, but if you're, if you're a new every three, or new every two kind of person, you just know that? Get on the lease train.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 42:21Matt Farah?

  Hold up, let me light this J up. Uh, I don't, that's great. It's a great way to live, and a great username. What's the rarest car that you've had a go in that you hold over your journalists', uh, heads? Okay. For a minute, uh, let's see.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Well, the Zinger briefly.

• 42:43Matt Farah?

  The Zinger made us, made, made everyone jealous for a minute and now everyone else gets to drive that.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, that was pretty cool. But you know, there's still no press launch for that thing.

• 42:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I was one of only like two people to drive the Venom GT.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:57Matt Farah?

  Which was a big deal for a minute.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Singer Turbo, you know, for me. I know, I know they, they get, they give people access, but it's hard to get it.

• 43:07Matt Farah?

  The Gunther Turbo Mule.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:09Matt Farah?

  Only Johnny and I drove that. Um, and people were like, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, what's the deal? What's the deal? You know, we're getting, you know, we're getting.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  We're getting two things.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  His other Gunther.

• 43:20Matt Farah?

  We're getting two things. We're getting in a couple of weeks, we're getting, remember, remember Gunther? They're trying to like experiment outside of, uh, Porsche a little bit. So that you drove that BMW that they did.

• 43:35Matt Farah?

  They've done a four, five, eight. And so we're getting that. It's apparently quite nasty. Uh, but it looks really good. I've seen photos of it. It looks really nice. So I said, yes, we'll, we'll have a go in that.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 43:44Matt Farah?

  See what's up with that. Totally.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  We should, for science.

• 43:47Matt Farah?

  Four, five eights are superb. So we should really try what they could do with it. And then we are going to get the Slant nose. Um, I think in January, they said the Slant nose is ready. And he said, it's, he said, if you put E85 in it, it's over a thousand horsepower. And I said, if you put E85 in that car, I will fucking kill you.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, please don't do that.

• 44:11Matt Farah?

  I do not want that.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  If he's going to do that, he needs to rent a runway for us also.

• 44:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't want any part of that on the street. That sounds bad.

• 44:22Matt Farah?

  But, uh, let's see, was anything else? I mean, what's so funny is like, journalists get to drive everything. So historical significance is what makes us like, kind of like drool. So, you know, when like Chris Harris gets to go in a car that like won LeMans, like he just sent me a video of him like ripping a Scari in a McLaren F1 long tail. And I was like driving the 918 at the time. And I was like, you had to fucking one up me, you little shithead, didn't you? You know, um, but like, uh, what's his name? Parnell Jones's Mustang. I got to drive the, the journalists, you know, they drool over shit like that.

• 45:04Matt Farah?

  Is there anything else? I don't know. It's a good question, though. Those are pretty rare.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Um, the Russell-built car.

• 45:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Like, that's a, that was a one-of-one.

• 45:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, I drove the, I drove the Cunningham C5R. They only made one of those. That's, that's, though, that's the only one of them that ever exists.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Roof Rodeo recently, but, I mean, that's, the odd, like, like you said in the video, the odds of us even seeing one of those again. Just seeing it is like astronomical, so.

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  Normally, the only place you would see one of those is like the Quail, or like, you know, some other prestigious type of event. You're not just gonna see them around.

• 45:38Matt Farah?

  Eastside Junk Cars and Salvage. I hope this person uses this. That makes it a write-off. If you name, if your username is your business, you're mark, you're advertising on this fucking tire podcast. It's marketing. I don't even care if that's real, but I really like it. Uh, I purchased a, a running, driving, uh, functional 1997 GMC Sierra for the rather felonious sum of just 18 Hyundai. It complements my GR86 as a utility vehicle, uh, but reminds me of the value of simplicity, how to be more present, and how good my 86 is. I had gotten a bit bored, but thanks to the old truck, I'm in love again. Is that, is there more to that one, Zach, or is that the entire thing? Just saying, say, oh, yeah.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  Do you ever get, uh, that refreshing feeling within your own fleets or after a mediocre press loan?

• 46:30Matt Farah?

  Um, go, the, the, the, going back to simple cars thing, like, I do kinda get. Especially like slow ones, like our, our Delica, our little, our Japanese van. When you drive that thing, like, it's got 85 horsepower, like, you can only go so fast. So, it's like not possible to be in a rush in that car. Whereas if you're used to driving an electric car or something all day, especially a big horsepower one, you can drive like a total asshole and not even really think about it. So. It's funny how getting in a really slow car, you end up like getting to those places in basically the same amount of time and you're forced to sort of be like, this is the speed

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  I go. Same thing with driving cross-country in an EV. Set the cruise at 74, man, this is the speed I go. It was a total, actual, um, uh, mental reset from the, uh, concept of constantly trying to make time, which is what I normally do, which is what we did, which is what we did the entire way going to Utah and back.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 47:37Matt Farah?

  A few days ago. Um, LL Cartier, well, welcome to the Patreon, East Side Toe and whatever, wrecker, whatever your business name was. LL Cartier says, I think the new MyBok might have an insane aging arc. I think they will be vomit-worthy in 15 years, but gold in 30 years. Imagine a MyBok or Alpina from 1995. The more stickers and promotions around it, the better, right? Possibly. I think the touchscreens could potentially really age these cars fast.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and like the, uh, plastic and stuff surrounding them will age quickly and just the size of screens kind of dates things. That's the good trick that Bentley has done with the rotating thing is eventually if that screen looks old, you just spin it around and you've got those three gauges and, you know, that'll kind of help.

• 48:29Matt Farah?

  The, the 918, you know, the only thing that dates it is those shitty haptic buttons. And so, and that thing is like 10 years old and it's pretty rough to use those. And so, I'm not sure how the, the Mercedes stuff specifically that's so touchscreen involved, like how that stuff comes back after, you know, how it comes back up. Like, I can't, I, I don't want to be naive, but like.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  I think, I mean, look, aftermarket with my car.

• 49:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  I've got this CarPlay thing. So now I have all the functionality. I mean, the, the screen is lower res for sure, but it gives me all the modern functions I really want. So I think you can do that.

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  No, no, but I'm saying if you buy a MyBok today.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 49:15Matt Farah?

  They're talking about, he was talking about it today.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Like a 2025 MyBok.

• 49:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:19Matt Farah?

  In 25 years. Like unless you have, you're gonna need whole system replacement at that point.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:25Matt Farah?

  Like, how does that car ever become?

• 49:30Matt Farah?

  Like a classic, I just don't, I don't know.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  I think, I think you make a great point. The repairability, we've talked about this before, can be a huge headwind for something that's collectible.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  If no one can work on it, Vector or something, like if you need to know a machinist to make this engine work, or you need a computer programmer.

• 49:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  There's a guy that started a business, he was an Indy 500, like, you know, Indy mechanic. Now his business is building wiring systems just to get vintage race cars going. You need that guy who knows how to design a wiring harness just for your car.

• 50:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  So you're gonna need that for the MyBuck. And that market will be so tiny, there's like two people on the planet that are gonna be interested in doing it.

• 50:08Matt Farah?

  Did I say on the last show, because I had just come back from our collector friend's house, he said, his personal mechanic, he's got 70 plus cars, and he said his personal mechanic is 74 years old. And he said, if this guy retires or dies, I'm selling all my cars the next day. He said, I cannot go on without this person.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 50:27Matt Farah?

  And he's our age.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  You know, but there, like when we did the Audrain thing, there was that young guy who was able to fix a ton of stuff, Jesse or something. Like, they're out there, but they're hard to find.

• 50:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  You know, someone who-

• 50:38Matt Farah?

  I forget that guy's name, he was awesome.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Someone who speaks carb and computer.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, and Magneto.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  And that, yeah.

• 50:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Lockshock Darrell said, I got the Skydweller as a loner and hated it. What other watches did you get as loners? Try on at the AD or purchase that didn't hold up to what you expected? Oh, this seems like, I almost, this is like a planted question, because I'm about to sell a bunch of watches. Is it, is it like too gauche? None of them are that expensive. Like, the most expensive one I want to sell, I don't want to sound like an asshole, but the most expensive one I want to sell is like five grand. Everything is under that. The cheapest one would be a couple hundred bucks. There's probably 10 watches I want to sell. Is it, do she just try to post on Instagram, the watches and the prices, if the prices are 10% below market value across the board?

• 51:28Matt Farah?

  Is that douchey?

• 51:28Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 51:29Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Cause you're not, you're not pricing them with the Matt Farah bump. You're like, this is fair market value, a little bit less.

• 51:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  If anybody likes them.

• 51:37Matt Farah?

  Cleaning out the closet.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  True.

• 51:39Matt Farah?

  Alright, I think I might do that. It just seems like the easiest way.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  People, people that we work with sell stuff on Instagram all the time.

• 51:45Matt Farah?

  I know. It just seemed, it seemed a little douchey, but um, okay, so the, doing the watch podcast and, and being sponsored by watch people and getting to try stuff on. Oh my god, how spoiled I got. That's, that shit was really spoiled because even like, press, press cars, same kinda deal. You know, so many cars that imagine, imagine how many cars you and I would have been like, if we never got to try them, they would have been like, I wanna buy one of those, but after a week, either you go, oh hell no, or you go, you know, actually, I've, I've tried that and, you know, had it. I, I could tell you what it's about and went on an adventure and like, and like, normally you would have to have those type of experiences.

• 52:28Matt Farah?

  Now, it's not, uh, in order to, to do that, and so it's, it's a perk of the job that we don't spend money on things we already know aren't gonna work out.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 52:38Matt Farah?

  That's just like a little, a slight, a side benefit of the job. And I think that's why so many people look to us for car advice, cause they don't wanna spend money on something they don't like either.

• 52:49Matt Farah?

  The watches, what I've learned from like 10 years of collecting watches is, it's, it's all about the fit. It's about how it fits on your wrist. And I've, I've bought watches that are supposedly 40 millimeters or 45 or 46 and they all fit, they all fit like kinda different and, and, and you can't go off an Instagram photo, uh, you really have to try it on. And so, um, the Skydweller, uh, I thought was really, a really cool, uh, watch until I wore one for like a month. And I was like, actually, it's like a little too big and the complication doesn't really do anything for me. It's kinda hard to read and so, glad I didn't buy that. You know, that's, that's a expensive fucking watch. Good thing I didn't learn that by buying it.

• 53:36Matt Farah?

  Panerai luminors. Look great on Instagram, look great on everybody else. I hate how they sit on my wrist.

• 53:46Matt Farah?

  Let's see.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  On a related question, Chappy asked, "Do you have a max number of nice watches before you start selling? Or do you just sell them when you're bored, or you don't wear them?"

• 53:58Matt Farah?

  It's same as cars. If you don't use it, it's gotta go. So, the watches I'm selling, I probably haven't worn for like, five or six months. So, if you don't wear it for like, five or six months, you know, those like, a house cleaning specialists that help you declutter your shit.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, does it spark joy?

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, or have you touched this in like, two years? Have you worn this sweater in two years? Have you worn these shoes? If you haven't, shit's gotta go. And, you know, not for everybody, and I don't live in my house that way, obviously, you've been to my fucking house. But, how many watches can you wear? And so, if I want a new watch, if I'm looking at something, we gotta clean out the closet, you know, limited amount of space, you know? We're not getting a bigger safe.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, some people just keep expanding their safe, or whatever.

• 54:50Matt Farah?

  I've been talking to these collectors for this article, all these folks. Once money doesn't matter anymore, if you're fortunate enough to get to that, big money, where it's like, "Whatever," kind of living. If you're fortunate to get there, time. Because I've been talking about like, talking to people with 918s for this story I'm doing. And like, everyone I know, which is admittedly, this is a small sample size, but like, I know four or five people who own 918s, which is more than most people do. So like, every single one of those folks talks about like, a very busy family life,

• 55:31Matt Farah?

  a very busy work life, travel, you know, either for work or to multiple different homes seasonally. And then they own many cars.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 55:41Matt Farah?

  And so, the answer to like, "Why wouldn't you daily this?" is like, "Oh no, I would." But like, I'm doing shit, so like, I can't really argue with that so much, you know? It's more of a, "I don't have time to daily it," than I actually, than it has anything to do with, "I won't put miles on the car." I didn't talk to anybody with an investment-grade 918 that they were afraid to put miles on. So, maybe my theory didn't hold up.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 56:11Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  It's just time though.

• 56:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, maybe people, I mean, zero mile and like sub 500 mile ones do come up. So this is true for some people, but maybe not my group of friends.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  The nice thing about the car hobby is assuming you have a commute or something, or like you can drop your kids off and pick them up. You can do that in your car, whereas, you know, if you have, if you, if you have a dirt bike, a mountain bike.

• 56:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Rock climbing gear, hockey gear, like all of those hobbies you drive to and then you do them. So you can't really integrate them into your daily life as much.

• 56:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:44Matt Farah?

  But yeah, getting to try, getting to try stuff without having to buy it, that's a, that's a privilege. I, I'm sorry, I don't have a bigger list of things I didn't like.

• 56:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sorry. A lot of, a lot of like tutors, they just don't do it, they don't do it for me, sorry. And vintage stuff, which I love looking at on Instagram, but can't, cannot wear, nothing, nothing vintage. Johnny E V Gerberman, have either of you driven a G8 GXP with a manual? How similar is the recipe to the E39 M5 even with the bad interior? I mean, similar, like pretty similar, actually. In fact, if you get to the Chevy SS 2015 with Mag Ride, I would argue that that is the same formula executed better.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  That's a great car.

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  Chevy SS Mag Ride is a better E39 M5, if you find one that's not had the shit kicked out of it. Yeah, those fucking things are badass. They're so fast.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  They look rad, great fender flares, everything.

• 57:47Matt Farah?

  And they, they just, the steering is great, Mag Ride, the clutch is really nice, the shifter's really nice. Those things rip.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Chevy reliability, I mean, it's everything you want, and it's 12, 12 years newer than an E39.

• 58:00Matt Farah?

  Well, and when that, what that really means in practice is a much better steering ratio. It's got a much sharper.

• 58:06Speaker 01

  Oh, cause it's newer, right, yeah. I thought you meant, cause it's a Chevy.

• 58:09Matt Farah?

  The rate, no, but like the E39 M5 is great, but it's almost like we were talking about last show, like Boxster to NSX. It's kind of like that evolution where you've got that, you know, in, in 2015, GM was making some pointy ass cars.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Camaro was awesome then, Corvette was great of course.

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  C7 was pointy, yeah, I mean, those are, those are quick cars, yeah.

• 58:31Matt Farah?

  Waymo hand jobs from women I hardly know.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  All right.

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  Is a well-maintained Lexus GX or Forerunner with 200K miles worth 13,000 to 17,000 bucks? I expected to get one for around 10. Curious on your thoughts.

• 58:54Matt Farah?

  Yes, I do think it's probably worth that. I mean, I think those are really well-made and simple vehicles.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Vinny's is nice. I mean, right, his is a GX470?

• 59:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, his is a...

• 59:07Speaker 01

  His old one? Sorry.

• 59:08Matt Farah?

  His is an LX.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  His older one's an LX.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  His is an LX570.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a slightly bigger one, okay.

• 59:12Matt Farah?

  Those are Lincoln Cruisers.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:14Matt Farah?

  Even the GX are, yeah, I think, I think so. 13 to 17, yeah, because people still use them as overlanding vehicles and stuff like that and...

• 59:24Speaker 01

  And the thing, the thing about it is like, I don't, look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful. The difference from 10 grand to 13 luckily is close, but I think you could put miles on that car, assuming it's been well-maintained, and if, if you have, if you buy it with 200,000 miles and you want to sell it with 220 or 230 later, the, the market won't care. They'll buy it from you because those are reliable off-road vehicles and everyone loves them.

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I mean, I think, I don't, I think people, Forerunner and Lexus off-road people, you're, you're talking about like the kings of resale value.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  I mean...

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  I think, you know, this person, whatever, the market you're seeing is the market. You know, you can go on there and go, "That's more than I was hoping to spend, that's a fair thing." But, uh, like, I think the bidding market has softened a little bit, but it's a good representation of what people are paying. Maybe you find a slightly better deal on Facebook Marketplace? Because it's not going to have all the hype and as many eyeballs, you could do that.

• 1:00:23Matt Farah?

  Maybe able to find a pretty decent like GMT800. Like, uh, like a, like a Tahoe from like, uh, what's the first year maybe? It was 2, maybe it was 2000 or 2001.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  When they just started around it?

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. A roundy, a roundy Tahoe. I think for 17 grand, you could probably find one of those with 125,000 miles on it, and it could still be in decent shape. My guess, but I think. So, I mean, I, I would, I wouldn't shy away from those GMT800. I think that's the 800, I'm pretty sure. The roundy Tahos, those are really, those are nice. Law and order ripped from the bread lines. We're heading there. What is the best experience per dollar in a front engine, rear drive, V12 manual? Does the 550 Maranello reign supreme? Or what about the 8 Series or Aston DB7 or manual swapped Vanquish?

• 1:01:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, really, if we're talking value, a manual DB7 is cheap. And it sounds nice and it's actually quite, quite pretty. I think a DB7 like GTA is a very pretty car. The convertible's not so much because the way the top sits on the back. But the, uh, the coupes I think are actually very pretty. Um, clean, really clean design and they've got a V12 and, and you can, you know, pretty, I think, I think pretty handsome material. Look at this. This is 20, 31,000 mile, oh, three. This is from 2022, but bid to 31,000.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:02:05Matt Farah?

  That's a V12 manual Aston Martin.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  That's wild. I, I bet that's cheaper these days.

• 1:02:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Is there, can you see, uh, look up, uh, go up to the top to click on that link? And let's see if there's a, a recent. What are DB7s going for now? So here's a, fuck, these are great deals.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Geez.

• 1:02:26Matt Farah?

  Here you go. 32,000 mile, 2,000 DB12 Vantage Coupe 6 speed. 44,000 bucks.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  It's green. Looks good.

• 1:02:33Matt Farah?

  Last week, the Volantes aren't worth shit. They're all starting with a two.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are.

• 1:02:37Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:02:39Matt Farah?

  Bro.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  That is classy.

• 1:02:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Dark blue Volante.

• 1:02:43Matt Farah?

  I mean, assuming you have, I mean, any cheap V12, you know, you need to have an appetite for service. But that is a very pretty car, sounds very good, is a stick, you know.

• 1:02:57Matt Farah?

  I like it.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  I mean, here's a coupe for 32, probably higher miles, because next to it, there's one with 6,000 miles, kilometers, and that was 70 grand.

• 1:03:04Matt Farah?

  I feel like, I feel like, how do you fucking lose?

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  That's pretty awesome.

• 1:03:09Matt Farah?

  How do you buy a 20,000 mile V12 Aston Martin for 35 grand? I mean, you know, you gotta insure it, you gotta keep it running, but that's money in, money out.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:03:19Matt Farah?

  A V12 Aston Martin is absolutely bottomed out at 30,000 bucks.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  And, because to get a decent 550 with a manual is gonna start at 80.

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  Dude, a 550, a shitty 550 is 90,000, like a really shitty one.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  I mean, the one I drove, the center console popped out under acceleration and needed a little repair there, and that was priced at 70, and that was also six years ago.

• 1:03:42Matt Farah?

  And look, there's a lot to love about 550s, but they only drive.

• 1:03:47Speaker 01

  Marginally better.

• 1:03:48Matt Farah?

  Okay, only marginally better than the Aston.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  I think the Aston's giving you, I mean, the whole experience is shifting, sound, and looks when you get out of it, and they both have that.

• 1:03:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I mean, and look, I have a Vanquish, so, but a Vanquish is probably, they ask for best value, and a Vanquish will give a better driving experience than a DB7, but probably 2.5x the price. What, because they didn't really come manual, so you've gotta get, either get a factory manual, which they don't, they never published how many they made. They made 100 final edition S's, right, in 06, which were available in manual, but they never said how many were actually made in manual, and it wasn't all of them. So, nobody knows, or at least no one outside of Aston Martin, they're not, they're not telling.

• 1:04:40Matt Farah?

  The DB7 actually came with a manual, so you don't have to do that, you just buy it and go. Lane Myers-Mans, if you were to do a Singer-esque company, but with Ferraris, what model would you choose and why?

• 1:04:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, you, so the only time you can do it, huh?

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Well, it's tough because with Singer, I think a lot of their success was from the aesthetics. They changed it very slightly and, you know, all my favorite Ferraris are, I don't know what I would change. I don't have, I don't have the pen in my brain to be like, here's what I would do to redesign the 550 Maranello. Like, I'm not touching that. So I would, you know, you could do a little drivetrain and suspension.

• 1:05:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you just have to pick a model. You don't have to say what you would change.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  I mean, the 355, if it was possible to just make it bulletproof and maybe like, I don't know. I don't know what I'd fuck with, though. That's what's tough.

• 1:05:41Matt Farah?

  What you really want to do is just put basically a 360 Challenge Stradale engine in the back of a 355. Like, that's pretty much it.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  It's a good idea, yeah.

• 1:05:50Matt Farah?

  You really don't have to do, it would sound great, like, it would work better, like, that's pretty much it. 355, but with timing chain conversion.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Timing chain conversion and, you know, some cool seats.

• 1:06:03Matt Farah?

  And not magnesium valves anymore.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  I do like the woven leather seats in Singer's. I know that a friend of ours thinks they suck in those cars, but, uh...

• 1:06:09Matt Farah?

  No, the woven leather's cool.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  I think it's very cool, so...

• 1:06:12Matt Farah?

  Woven leather's fucking cool.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  And you could get rid of the gummy buttons, you know, you could redo the interior a little bit, but careful, gotta be careful.

• 1:06:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, the problem with the 355 is that it's perfect. And so, in terms of how it looks and in terms of how it drives, it's no notes.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:28Matt Farah?

  And so, like, well, what are you gonna do to that? And so, and what, again, we say this all the time, but what Singer and others, but mainly Singer, started was, is taking advantage of the fact that the 911 was the same underneath for many years. And so, they could do a greatest hits catalog of 911 bits, and they smartly chose which bits came from where, you know, to create this highlight reel of air-cooled love. There's only certain Ferraris you could do that with. You could either do like a 328, 308, 328, 288 GTO and create, you know, that went all the way to the F40, right?

• 1:07:12Matt Farah?

  From the 308 to the F40 is like one line. So you could use that one, or you could do the 348, 355, sort of one.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  Just depends on how good the cert like like 360 body on a 458 chassis would be rad, but I know it wouldn't work because you need the air, you need the air intake for the 458. You need to keep everything cool and working. So that'd be tough.

• 1:07:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, that one dude put like, uh, what is essentially a de-stroked, I think, 360 engine in a Dino, which is pretty

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  That's exciting.

• 1:07:48Matt Farah?

  Pretty bitchin'. That's pretty cool. So like Dino's actually could be, it would be a good one. I mean, just if you, because you could update a Dino if you, I mean, if someone really wanted to burn the money, they're very beautiful, but you could make some subtle tweaks to a Dino and make it a V8, even if it was like a 328 engine with, with carbs or something. So it sounded good, but made like 280 horsepower instead of like 180. That would be a

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  That would be a good one.

• 1:08:15Matt Farah?

  Good improvement.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  They're gorgeous cars too.

• 1:08:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Frozenberry Metallic Floyd says, debating whether to finance the Vegas trip or not, thoughts?

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  The road and trip, uh, road and track experience.

• 1:08:28Matt Farah?

  I've always wanted to go on one. I mean, dude, that doesn't sound wise.

• 1:08:37Matt Farah?

  I know there's people that finance experiences out there. That does not seem like a wise thing to be doing. I, how about this? I don't think the trips are going anywhere. Can you save? I would, I would do that. I would, I would, because if you save and some emergency happens, you have the money, you know, and then reward yourself for saving well by going on the trip, you know, that, that's

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Otherwise it will be a form of, a, a place of stress, in my opinion, you know, the whole time I'd be going like, is this fun enough to justify stretching my budget? And then later, every time the bill comes, you're like, okay, I gotta pay this off. I, I don't, I think it could actually be more stressful.

• 1:09:21Matt Farah?

  Dude, it's one thing to finance something that is like a, a car and you, you use the car every day. You need the car, you finance the car and yeah, I'm paying every month, but I'm also driving every day. Dude, to go on a vacation and be making payments like six months later, oof, bro.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Matt Farah?

  The vacation, even the best vacation. After six months, after six months, that vacation's gone. Like, I, I, I'm so glad that these trips are so appealing to you, that that is an idea that comes in your head, but save, don't, don't finance, please. You'll, you'll be happier, you'll be happier going home from the vacation, not in debt.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, Matt and the giant Porsche. I like it. How do you feel about the prospect of the rumored five cylinder Golf R?

• 1:10:11Matt Farah?

  Um, I, I, um, I think it is a way to keep the Golf R interesting for another generation, you know, especially if maybe they had plans to possibly kill gasoline powered golfs and only do an electric run, and this was the only way. Um, but it also, uh, it also may, uh, not happen. I don't know. I think it would make sense. They've already got a good engine. It, it makes sense that they would, they would put it in there.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  It'd be interesting to see how they price it because it would compete with the RS3, but you can't get the RS3 in a five door, right? So.

• 1:10:51Matt Farah?

  Not in America.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Right. So it's kind of like, all right, here's your wagon, but it's different. And they'll find a way to separate them, of course.

• 1:10:56Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Um, the Audi will always be more expensive.

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  Twenty-five thousand dollars, probably.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  Right, exactly. Or in some extra tech or something. Be cool. It would sound rad.

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  I liked the Golf R a lot, the current Golf R, the Mark Eight. I need to get, call Volkswagen and get, get a loan because I, I really enjoyed it, performance car of the year. Don't know whether I'm the boxer or the Jag. Uh, uh, probably, uh, was not, uh, it seems like Mazda and Toyota are getting together for the next gen of Miata and 86. Uh, I can't feel like on paper, the ethos are the same, but in reality, they're quite different. Um, I, I, I actually, you know what? I'm gonna just, I'm gonna table this one because I haven't read anything about this. Have you read about this?

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:41Matt Farah?

  I, I haven't known, I don't know anything about it. And if we have something to comment, I'll comment, but I, I would just be guessing. And it was a very specific question. I don't have the answer to.

• 1:11:53Matt Farah?

  Performance Stats, uh, commonly refer, uh, Street Parked says, "Performance stats so commonly refer to peak horsepower and torque, how can automakers and journalists better convey horsepower and torque as area under the curve, especially with blended ice and electric power that result in higher power?" I mean, I like to think that when I do a car review, I can't speak for anybody else, I talk about the, the power band, the width of the power band, every single video. It's what is the peak tor- what is the tip in, what is the peak torque, what is the peak power, how wide is the power band, usually expressed in terms of RPM. So I, that's the best I can do, is does this car have a wide power band or a narrow power band? And if it's wide, then your area under the curve is good.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Uh... I think it's also wise, a lot of magazines will do like the 5 to 60 test, or actually, um, Top Gear passing stuff, like, how does this feel, or how does it accelerate from low RPM in higher gears? Cause that helps you understand the power band. But it's, it's a hard thing to explain, and you just, if you just quantify it, but you have to explain to the audience what that number means.

• 1:12:58Matt Farah?

  But also, a lot of, I think you read a lot of car reviews, especially ones written by guys who are really good with dynamics, they'll say, you know, I, I, the power builds from, you know, 1800 RPM and it remains flat, or it's peaky, or it's whatever. Um, usually they, it's part of the job to find a way to describe that power band ideally. Um, Panamera Bread says, "I recently learned about the Louis Arard 2340 line, looks kinda like the Royal Oak. What's up with the brand? Is it too close to a copycat or homage?" You got a picture of this one, Zach? Cause I don't really know that, um, okay, so what we're looking at is, uh, what's called

• 1:13:43Matt Farah?

  an integrated bracelet sport watch. I think it's a pretty nice sport watch. Um, and I think this watch has elements, what do you, what is it? You've called up the dictionary, Zach.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  I don't know how to do that.

• 1:13:55Matt Farah?

  This watch has elements of similarity with other watches that are both cheaper and more expensive. So, um, this sort of case, it, it, it looks, it's not really Royal Oak, like, the Royal Oak case is more octagonal, or hexagonal? Six or eight? It's six, six sides, the eight sides is the Royal Oak, sorry. Um, this is a round dial. It's more like the Rolex Land Dweller, what they've just done, or the old Rolex Oyster Quartz. Citizen also has a watch that has a case similar like this with an integrated bracelet.

• 1:14:36Matt Farah?

  I think this is a very nice watch. I don't know a lot about Louis Arard as a brand. I imagine, I know a lot of their collab watches, like the Alan Silberstein one that's like weird cartoony, and I actually think that one's pretty cool. This is literally the first time I've ever seen this particular watch. But I think it looks nice, and for under 3,000 Swiss francs, I think it's a brand that is at least familiar enough in watch circles. And you're probably going to get a high-quality movement, but I've never tried this watch on. What do we have next, my friend?

• 1:15:16Matt Farah?

  And... Yellow bedwetter, best one yet. Best one yet for Pearl Jam references. My wife has owned a 2002 Boxster S for 20 years and is looking for something similar but newer. Should she consider anything other than a newer Boxster S? It's a weekend summer car. Probably not. I mean, there's, I think I can actually say that when it comes to the Boxster, there is no substitute. Like, if you actually want a Boxster, like, what else would you get that isn't just a Boxster?

• 1:15:51Matt Farah?

  I mean, I guess if you are, I mean, this might be weird, but like,

• 1:15:59Matt Farah?

  you might want to consider a C8 Corvette convertible, maybe?

• 1:16:07Matt Farah?

  But something tells me that if you've had a Boxster for 20 years... The new one will be just, just similar enough and just different enough that you'll have it for another 20 years. And, and if you can, I mean, you should, you should get a gas one like now, just in case. If you're considering, you know, you should probably get a gas one now. Ferrari SP90 drivers triggered by ED mode. Me and Doug have both owned an H1, a Countach, a mid-engine Porsche, and probably other cars. Additionally, we have a podcast co-host with BMW. What one car from a car celebrities collection would you like to own, including upkeep costs,

• 1:16:52Matt Farah?

  that you don't own already? Well, I'd love a Carrera GT. Love, love.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would want Doug's Ford GT.

• 1:17:00Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:02Matt Farah?

  I'd love a Ford GT also. Doug is one economic tier past me, and so when I get to where he's at, I'll get them shits too.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  He's got a great garage.

• 1:17:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's all, he's got it going on. Doug's coming on the podcast on December 1st, which is my birthday.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  That's why he's gonna be here.

• 1:17:21Matt Farah?

  That's all, I'm so glad.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  He used to come on Jesus' birthday, but now he's coming on Ferrera's birthday.

• 1:17:25Matt Farah?

  He comes around Thanksgiving time.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  I thought it was always Christmas.

• 1:17:28Matt Farah?

  Well, it's the Christmas, the Christmas end of year show.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  Holiday season.

• 1:17:31Matt Farah?

  It's a holiday season show.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  We don't call it that anymore. It's Christmas again.

• 1:17:34Matt Farah?

  For the big ad rates, dude, so we can get the hit in December. You think this shit's accidental? Uh, yeah, I think those are two, I mean, didn't fucking, didn't Tyler Hoover just buy a Gullwing?

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  He did?

• 1:17:46Matt Farah?

  I think he, I think Tyler Hoover sold like a bunch of cars to get a Gullwing.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:17:52Matt Farah?

  I think he did. Yeah. I'd love to have a Gullwing. I'm not the right person to have a Gullwing, but I'd love to. That car drives really good.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  The thing with, and also, car celebrity is a very broad term, because there's folks like, Adam LZ has rad drift cars I'd wanna own.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  And then Vin Anatro's got his sick GT3RS, you know? Ron had a Jim Conner car for like six. He's got some cool stuff. Yeah.

• 1:18:16Matt Farah?

  Bush did 997, says what's the best invisible car?

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  New Prius.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Or a Model 3.

• 1:18:23Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah, a model, I mean, probably, probably a Model 3. Or what's like the most, what's the most, what's a car, cause like everyone knows what a Model 3 is. What's a car that is so generic that just nobody would even know what it is? They just go, what the fuck is that, like?

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Oh, that just looks like nothing?

• 1:18:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Like a Chevy Malibu.

• 1:18:46Matt Farah?

  Hyundai Santa Fe, the old Santa Fe.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  The old, uh, uh, like a CX 5 or 3? I don't know, any of the eggs.

• 1:18:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  All the eggs in white, fleet white. That'll, that will walk amongst them.

• 1:19:04Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  That's what we're trying, you know, if you're trying to be, what's his face from Breaking Bad, like you're, you're moving a lot of product and you want no one to pay attention to you. I think you drive something that people see a lot of and they just assume that you're Uber or a commuter. You, uh, you know, they don't want money, whatever.

• 1:19:20Matt Farah?

  Four and a half year old Dodge Caravan.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:19:23Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Matt Farah?

  And like a sort of, like it looks, it looks like you bought it off like Enterprise, you know, used lot, basically. That's kind of, that's how you roll, cross country.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  But keep it clean. You don't, yeah, you need to make sure it looks clean and washed and cared for.

• 1:19:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, my Porsche's Lego says, uh, I want to replace my, I'm looking, I need a family hauler, daily commuter to replace my 10 year old Subaru. I'm looking at used X5s and Cayennes, but I'm tempted to look at the Taycan Cross Tresmo. Uh, we have a road trip car, so this would be a daily commuter for a 6'4" human with two kids and an orange dog. Charging at home is an option. I've got 60 to 70K. Hell yeah, hell yeah. You will love commuting in that car. Get the exact same shit I got.

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:10Matt Farah?

  You'll be fine.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'd rather commute in the EV than the X5 or the Cayenne any day.

• 1:20:17Matt Farah?

  I think that that budget will get you the car. Make sure you get your good CPO coverage, you know, from a dealer. You know, they look, be, don't be afraid to look nationwide. You know, to look far from home and then fly one way and drive it home so you can get to know the charge network. And if you can charge at home and you're driving less than like, you know, 100 miles a day, you're, you're golden. You'll have the best car ever. I just saw this story that Piggly Wiggly Deluxe brings up, said that Ford CEO Jim Farley said that they have 5,000 plus open mechanics jobs available. He actually referred to them as quote, "six-figure mechanics jobs available." And we are in trouble due to the lack of mechanics.

• 1:21:01Matt Farah?

  I'm a Ford dealer mechanic right now, and I've been trying to get into tech training courses, but I'm perpetually waitlisted. I'm trying, but they aren't making it easy to be a tech. What can I do to accelerate my career? I'm just doing recalls, but I'm getting kind of bored. Well, I, I don't know. I've never worked as a tech. I, I mean, that's interesting that Ford, that Jim Farley would say that. And I'm waitlisted at this, at this dealer. So are they, do they, does that mean they had, they need more like, totally open and they're not promoting from within maybe as much or I don't know?

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  I don't know. The only insight I have, and this is anecdotal, is an Instagram friend. Uh, he knows who he is. He's probably listening like, he was an Audi tech, went to an independent shop recently, but he spent years as like, senior Audi tech. And he reposted this story when it came out and he was like, "This is a problem across a lot of OEMs and it's basically like, we're underpaid." He's like, this is, and it's something, and this is his, uh, this is what he said, so I haven't looked at all the numbers, but it's a common complaint is that the head of business, whatever business that is right now, goes, "Nobody wants to work anymore." And it's like, "Right, but we're also not getting paid enough to keep up with the cost of living." So that could be part of the issue. Uh, now as far as the promotion goes, uh, we don't know. You know, they might wanna, your dealership might need you there instead of wanting to promote you or, I don't know.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  There's so many variables there.

• 1:22:28Matt Farah?

  You might not be good at your job.

• 1:22:31Matt Farah?

  I don't know, I'm just, the joke was there.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  I would say, yeah, I would, exactly. They might not think you can handle, no, I would just say, ask. Just follow up. That's, sometimes that's what needs to be done. You're gonna have to push and say, hey, I'm really trying to level up my skills, you know, for you guys and for me. Why, you know, why is this getting held up? And you could talk to your boss, like, show them the article, like, I thought we needed techs. So what's it, just find out.

• 1:22:55Matt Farah?

  Dodge Ramiken says, thoughts on Timex going up market with the Atelier line of Swiss-powered watches? Yeah, Timex now has a line of watches that are like 1,200 bucks, like basically what we charge for our watches.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  1,300 to 1,500.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:23:14Matt Farah?

  It's not bad-looking, right?

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 1:23:16Matt Farah?

  No, it's not bad-looking. I mean, look, I have no problem at all with a company that's been making watches for as long as Timex has been making watches, which is a fucking long time. I mean, look, 170 years.

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:23:30Matt Farah?

  Timex has been making watches. So it's not like this is a company that just makes like cheap crap. Like, this is a fairly legitimate watch company, I mean fairly, they're extremely legitimate watch company.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  When the generals of the North and the South needed to meet for a battle, they kept time with Timex.

• 1:23:48Matt Farah?

  But, um, so yeah, they've, they've, they've, you know, their watches are normally a couple hundred bucks and they've, they've tried to go up-market here with a couple, um, I happen to think the GMT on the left of the screen looks pretty nice. I think it's a nice-looking watch. I have not held one. I, I don't necessarily know what they're like to wear and I, I wouldn't ever buy one that's, without trying it on. Uh, if you can find a way to try it on somehow, then, then that sounds like a, probably a good way to check it out. But I'm not against this. Not at all. I think it's a nice-looking watch. It's got this cool bezel to it that's sort of like dives in.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:24:26Matt Farah?

  It angles in, like, almost like the banking of a NASCAR track that goes around the, uh, around the glass.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  It's dish like a McLaren wheel.

• 1:24:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:35Speaker 01

  You got the...

• 1:24:35Matt Farah?

  It's pretty, I think it's a nice-looking watch. I would like to see one in person.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  I wanna see, okay.

• 1:24:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It looks like it's got a nice case shape.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's got like Omega bubble to me, you know?

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, the, yeah, the dome, the dome, yeah, the dome crystal, yeah, the dome crystal's good, like a Speedmaster.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:53Matt Farah?

  My Speedmaster will be on the, within that, within that sale.

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:24:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because I want the new Speedmaster.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:24:59Matt Farah?

  That's why I'm selling everything to get the, to get the new white dial.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Consolidate?

• 1:25:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, consolidate upwards. Turn 10 into, 10 into 1. Yeah. Uh, last one, done the last one?

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:25:10Matt Farah?

  Eh, a couple more. Done?

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  We, we should just finish these.

• 1:25:13Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  And then, we're only at an hour 15.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  So we can.

• 1:25:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, my, uh, I used my bezel wrong. Dodge Ramakin says, "Recent torque-converted automatics have been lauded for their quick shifts in manual mode. Uh, does using manual mode place more load on the transmission than driving aggressively in full automatic mode?" No, it doesn't place any different load. It's the same, same load. I mean, I guess like, if you, you could intentionally lug the engine in a way that maybe isn't good in manual mode? Like, if you upshifted to a gear too high and like floored it from 1500 rpm, like, the car might not like that so much.

• 1:25:57Matt Farah?

  And if you drive in full automatic mode, it's just gonna kick it up to the high, the lowest gear available. But like, it should, other, if you were doing the same thing, it shouldn't. Right?

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Maybe, I don't know.

• 1:26:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  I have no idea.

• 1:26:10Matt Farah?

  But yeah, like, the, the, the, most of the recent, modern torque converters with like paddles and stuff, do a pretty good job.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  They do.

• 1:26:18Matt Farah?

  Not always a great job.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  They do a better job upshifting than downshifting. That's the real thing.

• 1:26:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, LucidGravityBong says, "Will there be a press car for the Celestique?" Saw one on the road in Pitts, Pittsburgh and it was mind-blowing. Uh, maybe. Worth a call, probably.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  I think they just, I feel like Jethro just drove one, so I think they're just starting to let people drive them.

• 1:26:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um.

• 1:26:43Matt Farah?

  Larry Centenario says, "You're a cop and can pick from any cop car, from any of the normal cop cars, what do you drive?"

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Police Charger V8. It's got the 5.7 all-wheel drive. They had him in Colorado.

• 1:27:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  That seems like the poorest man's Jim Kana vehicle, for me.

• 1:27:04Matt Farah?

  I would probably go Charger as well, although I just, I just saw a Tahoe spec that I liked a lot, and I feel like Tahos would be comfier for me than a Charger.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Surprised you didn't go Saab, like they had in, was it Vale? They used to have Saab cop cars.

• 1:27:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they had Saab 93s.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:25Matt Farah?

  The Stig's Laotian cousin, "I might have a 2011 Challenger V8 for 5,000 bucks."

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:27:32Matt Farah?

  Was it used in a takeover. "I'm tempted to have it as a knock-around car after mild refurbishing, with this parallel with a GR Corolla." Me thinks yes.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Matt Farah?

  Fucking Challenger beater? Yeah, dude.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  It's a comfy grand touring car. I mean, the chairs and that thing are huge.

• 1:27:49Matt Farah?

  For 5K, you're not grand touring. 5K, this is a beater.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:27:53Matt Farah?

  This is a beater. That seat is gonna be so blown out. There's gonna be like so much cigarette tar on it. None of the buttons are gonna be visible anymore.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  There's gonna be so much, like, dip spit.

• 1:28:06Matt Farah?

  Shiny, black, plastic, yeah.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  Dip spit on the floorboards.

• 1:28:08Matt Farah?

  But you just take the interior out and make it a fucking ripper. No doors, YOLO. Let's go. The ghost of Woolworths. "Friend of mine purchased some land north of Chico. I seem to have convinced him to construct his own dirt track to run time trials on. You are a good friend."

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:28:27Matt Farah?

  "There are no trees to hit, but I think a beater car is still the smart choice. Between a cheap Subaru WRX and a rear-wheel-drive vehicle like a Mustang or Camaro, what would be more fun for this?" I know a guy with a $5,000 Challenger.

• 1:28:45Matt Farah?

  I would say, oh, man, it's gotta be rear-wheel drive.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  If you want fun, it's rear-wheel drive. Rear-wheel-drive rally car, I mean, drifting is everywhere in all media now, has been for a long time, you're gonna want to do that. Because if you got a cheap WRX, I mean, they can be good rally cars, too, but you're gonna break stuff eventually, like the transmission's glass, it doesn't have the good STI diffs. I think it'll be, I think it'll be less robust. Rally community, chime in, but I feel like a solid axle Mustang will hold up to the beat anymore. You're gonna dig some ruts.

• 1:29:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're talking, you need, you need something that's gonna take abuse, like, like, a lot of abuse, especially if you're talking about, like, you and your boys sharing this car, oh, my God, this poor car.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  Additional idea, go to RallyReady's Instagram, because they have a rally truck. It's like a Chevy 1500, and they, I mean, rally suspension, wheels, tires, and stuff, and watch that thing drift and listen to it, and that will tell you what fun is. But you could also use it as a farm truck and carry shit with it and move things around.

• 1:29:50Matt Farah?

  Right. All of this is a good idea. I don't have any thoughts on the next one.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  Well, real quick, someone says, "Thoughts on the new Jim Kana? Do you think it can still be great without Brian Scotto?" Brian Scotto was involved, I think he directed it, so...

• 1:30:05Matt Farah?

  Is it out?

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  It comes out in December. So, he was involved in it, actually, and so I bet it's gonna be awesome.

• 1:30:11Matt Farah?

  And it's Travis, right?

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  It's Travis driving. I don't know if there's other people involved, but, yeah, Scotto put up on his Instagram, like, he was definitely, you know, on the radio and calling shots. That was the last page.

• 1:30:24Matt Farah?

  Old Rusty Bimmer says, "Oh, you've, you've, you've read, I think you've misread something. This article states Musk's EV car, Tesla is offering rentals starting at $60 a day. Tesla's including free, supercharging, and supervised full self-driving, self-driving at no cost with the rental. Is Elon promising we get a designated driver with our rental?" No. They have to call it supervised full self-driving so that no one sues them for implying the car will drive itself.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  You, the renter, are the supervisor. They are not providing a human for you.

• 1:31:02Matt Farah?

  They also just put CarPlay in their cars after fucking 12, 13 years of being like, "Are you better than CarPlay? We never would need CarPlay." But nobody wants a fucking Tesla now, and so they're putting CarPlay in so that any scraps of people that have might been holdouts because they need CarPlay might want fucking that.

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  The couple of thing like, I'm very interested to see what GM does going forward. Like, they have announced over and over again, like, "We're ditching CarPlay." And if their system's really good and it saves them money, I get it, but we'll see.

• 1:31:32Matt Farah?

  To not have CarPlay, your system has to be so good. And like, I will give Tesla the fucking credit that they want. That the times I've used a fucking Tesla, their system has been that good. And I've gone, "You know what? This is pretty good. The map is pretty good." "I like the way to use this map. I don't need to use CarPlay on this specific thing." There's been a couple of things that are clunky with my phone that are better in CarPlay, but for the most part, like Tesla and Rivian like did the best in terms of not using CarPlay. But like, there's some shit that I really like on my CarPlay.

• 1:32:13Matt Farah?

  And, you know, like, my garage door opener is a fucking app, you know, like, things like that. Yeah. You don't fuck with MyQ?

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  No. And I just got a new garage door installed. My apartment is mine broke.

• 1:32:26Matt Farah?

  Or something?

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  I don't know. I'll send you a picture.

• 1:32:29Matt Farah?

  Like, MyQ is like, well, so here's the thing. MyQ is Wi-Fi.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. My garage does not have Wi-Fi.

• 1:32:36Matt Farah?

  So you can't do that. I wonder, I wonder if there's a short way, short-range way to do it without Wi-Fi? I don't know, but yeah, it's nice.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Quick tangent, today the power was out in my building for three hours. And my building's like a smart building where you use a fob to get in and out and stuff. And we have like a dog chat with a bunch of our neighbors and people were like, "Uh, how do I get in?" Like, this, there were some doors that default to unlocked, but it was not all of them. And so that's a little bit of an interesting problem with smart door technology. Yeah.

• 1:33:10Matt Farah?

  That's why every fucking door in here also has a key.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need that.

• 1:33:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you never know. Uh, Chris says, um, oh.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  This is last.

• 1:33:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, I've launched a, alright, this dude is throwing it out there for critique. I've launched a new watch brand in the UK called Sorti, encompassing a British design and a Swiss movement. I'd love to get your feedback. We're gonna do it live. Let's see what Sorti Watches looks like. Sorti is like a mission, right? Like, it's like you fly a sort, it's like a flying mission. Okay, clearly a pilot's watch. You've got a, uh, the hands look like IWC-inspired. Big, uh, nice, bold, applied numerals.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Sorti is an attack made by troops coming out from a position of defense.

• 1:34:03Matt Farah?

  There you go.

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  Or a short trip or a journey.

• 1:34:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, look, so here's your dome crystal that you like.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:34:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, I like the applied indices. I like the, the, the brushing, the starburst or sunburst brushing on the dial.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  I like your color selection.

• 1:34:20Matt Farah?

  I think, uh, the black, full black case, uh, is not bad. It remind, this reminds me a bit, you know, a lot of IWC. Uh, let's see the, let's see the blue. Let's see how the blue looks. I like that you've not done a chrome date, uh, window. I like that it's a, it's a monochromatic. And I like that it's not a white date wheel. I like that that's all the same, uh, color. Look, I think this is, I think this is a very nice looking watch. Uh, it has, certainly has impressions of IWC pilot watches, but not so much that I would say this is a direct homage. I don't know what the W is about in the middle of the wings logo. Like, is that a W?

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know what that means either.

• 1:35:04Matt Farah?

  I don't know, the wings, obviously, it looks like a pilot.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  It should be a story.

• 1:35:08Matt Farah?

  It's a plane.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  It's a big crown, is the crown stick out farther than?

• 1:35:11Matt Farah?

  Big crown, no crown guards, big crown, pilot watches, big crown.

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a thing?

• 1:35:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, and the gloves.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  You grab it with gloves.

• 1:35:18Matt Farah?

  But like, you know, IWC does this a lot. Um, solid link bracelet, I like the dome crystal. I think you've gone a little conservative with your dial colors. Black, blue, and green is pretty obvious. I would try and go for something unconventional. Um, what Swiss movement is it? Can you, can we see? Let's look at the green, the green I think is nice, the alpa, alpha green. That's my favorite color of them, of the three.

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, this one, I agree.

• 1:35:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this alpha green is nice and really shows off the, uh, the brushwork of the thing. Can you close this window or close this, this photo and see the movement? What movement is it? Oh, I can't see, tell by looking at it, I want to look at the tech specifications.

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  Oh, it's clearly an automatic movement.

• 1:36:03Matt Farah?

  Uh, go down to movement. It's the next tab down there. Swiss made, okay, it's a Solita SW290, okay. It's a, it's a decent movement. It's a, it's functional. Uh, it's, it's, it's reasonably good quality, but it's not, it's only 41 hours power reserve, whereas the movement we use in our watch is 68 hours power reserve. So like, I think the movement we use is a little nicer. But how much is this? This is like two grand, right?

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:35Matt Farah?

  So, I would say for this price point, I'd rather have an LJP movement, although this does have small seconds and a date, so maybe those Solitas cost a little more. Uh, I like the one with the, with the green dial. And I think you should go a little more aggressive and non-traditional with your dial colors. But I think it's a tasteful design.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  I like the accent colors, green and orange.

• 1:37:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  And over here, it's blue and white and red.

• 1:37:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  So it's not all the same across them. And this, this black with the... Whatever, like Aqua Blue. It's pretty cool.

• 1:37:09Matt Farah?

  I don't love when you do a black case with a black bracelet. When they do a black case, like IWC does have a black case Pilot Watch. They, it has a black, uh, a strap like this one has, like my wife has. I don't, I think it's a lot of black when you do the black bracelet. And a lot of times, not always, but a lot of times, watches that are full black, they're like, kinda cheapy fossil watches. Which, there's nothing wrong with that, if that's what, the style you want.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  But then this will be associated with that.

• 1:37:40Matt Farah?

  I think it looks downmarket to make your watch a full steel black.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  I get why they do it, because they make the face pop.

• 1:37:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  You know, it's, this is their stealth black model, so that's, that's kinda cool.

• 1:37:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  But I know what you mean.

• 1:37:51Matt Farah?

  But, uh, but look, in general, I think you've done a nice, a nice first pass at a watch design here. I think it's, I think it's a tasteful looking watch. That clearly references IWC without being, uh, getting up close to what I would call an homage. Nice job. Nice job. And your, and your, and your, uh, your name isn't like cringey. Sorty, that's a pretty good name. I just don't get the W in between the wings. Yeah. It's got like, actually I think it's better than, better looking than what Brainwants is doing right now. But, anyway. Not bad. Not bad. British watchmaking.

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:38:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's alright. Uh, so, thanks guys, that's a good show. I, I appreciate all of you. I appreciate the patrons for asking such good questions today and everybody else for tagging along with us. We've got, uh, what else do we have? Do we have to plug anything right now? The RTR video will be up.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  By, probably Friday.

• 1:38:51Matt Farah?

  Maybe Friday, yeah. Um, and then, uh, we're driving some other interesting things. Uh, I think I'm, we driving anything before Thanksgiving?

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  I have a V90 coming.

• 1:39:00Matt Farah?

  Do you?

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  For Thanksgiving.

• 1:39:01Matt Farah?

  For Thanksgiving, yeah.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  And maybe I'll drive that Marco, the TLG car if it stops raining.

• 1:39:05Matt Farah?

  Stops raining.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  I wanted to take it to Good Vibes Friday and bring my father-in-law, but it just seems like it'll be risky for so many reasons.

• 1:39:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but if the roads are good enough, you could drive your car up there.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:39:18Matt Farah?

  You can still go. Your car would be fun. Isn't your car, is your car on race tires right now?

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  Yes, I'd go slowly. I have a new set of Redistin HyperTrax downstairs.

• 1:39:27Matt Farah?

  You know what I have, if you want to go up on Friday? Rivian is sending me an R1S.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:39:33Matt Farah?

  Specifically because they have that Rad tuner and the tank turn now. So the quad motor, R1S, does the axis spins that the G-Wagon does. And, and it has a much more in-depth module to fine-tune the power, the regen, the steering, the suspension. It's called the Rad tuner, but it's like, pretty in-depth of what you, the kind of things you can change to like, really fuck with the dynamics.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  Whoa, okay.

• 1:40:07Matt Farah?

  They were like, we want to send you one. I was like, I've already reviewed this car. And they're like, no, no, but it has these two things and we really think you should try it. So like, alright.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:40:14Matt Farah?

  So if it's gonna be shitty, we'll just take that.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  I will confirm with you soon. Yeah.

• 1:40:19Matt Farah?

  No problem. We can all go together, maybe.

• 1:40:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, let's do the super turn and scare Joey.

• 1:40:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, that's what it's for. We make it the donuts. Um, thanks, everybody. We love you very much. We'll see you later. Bye.