#2445 - Bert Kreischer

Bert Kreischer is a comedian, actor, host of “The Bertcast” and “Something’s Burning,” and co-host of “2 Bears, 1 Cave” with Tom Segura. His new show, “Free Bert,” is streaming on Netflix. He will be touring in 2026 with the “Permission to Party” tour.www.netflix.com/title/81696123www.youtube.com/@bertkreischerwww.ymhstudios.com/2bears/www.bertyboyproductions.comwww.bertbertbert.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Hey dude, hey, does a red light therapy really help your fucking eyes?

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  I'm doing it.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  Are we rolling?

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. My eyes are so fucked.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  I can't see, Joe.

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  Get one of them Gary Brekka beds for your house. Well, there's a bunch of companies that sell them, but you want like a really powerful red light bed? I did it this morning. Dude, it changed my vision.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  I can't, when I'm in the shower, I can't read shampoo, bath gel.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  Like, I'm like, dude, why do they need to be small? Can't you just make it big as fuck so everyone can see it?

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  They're not that small.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  They're, I, well, they're, I can't see them. And then I'm getting out naked, putting on readers to see what I'm fucking. I've washed my hair with conditioner so many times.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, mine was getting bad. Mine was getting where I needed these fucking things, which I haven't picked up in months.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I heard you say that and I was like, dude.

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, changed my life.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  I did, I went to Waste World the other day and I did the red light bed every day, every day. Until I Googled how much it costs. That thing's fucking expensive.

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  It's expensive, the real one. But Whitney got one that's not that expensive and it's fixed her eyes. She got one that she just sits in front of every day for like 20 minutes or something like that.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, it's amazing. But the big ones, the beds, they help your whole body recover. They're, we could, let's, let's put that into perplexity and say, what is the benefits of powerful red light therapy?

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  I fucking, I use AI so much now. I was, in the beginning, I was resisting it so much. Then perplexity came on as a sponsor and now instead of searching things online, I just ask the phone. I just pull up the app and ask it a question. I don't have to type anything and then it gives me an answer. And then I could say, well, what's the benefits of it? And then it'll get, list out the benefits. And then I'll say, what are the cons? Then it'll list out the cons. Like, is there, you know, are there any people that disagree with this?

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Perplexity?

• 2:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  So I got, I got one. My questions are always like, they're always more like about me. So I, like.

• 2:14Joe Rogan?

  Why do you look yourself up?

• 2:17Speaker 01

  No, no, not about, no, but no, but no, I don't look myself up. It's about like,

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Your health?

• 2:21Speaker 01

  No, my, my health or my experience in life.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  So like, so like, I was like, I was the other day, I was in bed. I was like, all right. I think my generation had the greatest run. Like out of, out of all the generations around. My generation, Gen X, had the greatest run. We got great childhoods, right?

• 2:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  We got to experience cell phones. We got to be impressed by the cell phone.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  We, uh, we had nine 11, which wasn't great, but was a time when the country healed, right? Everyone wants a big tragedy, like the JFK shooting. You want that moment where you walk by a bar and they're like, what, what are you doing? Like, you haven't heard? We got one of those.

• 2:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  We had the pandemic, which is insane.

• 2:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  We had our music played better. We had rock. We had, I mean, just the, all the internet took off. So we got to experience that. I think my generation, Gen X has yours too, right?

• 3:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm Gen X.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  So I asked that to chat GPT and then I was wrong.

• 3:13Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 3:14Speaker 01

  The greatest generation is actually labeled the greatest generation. It's my grandmother, your grandmother. They experienced horse and buggy. They then went, they saw cars. They saw television. All within the time they had horse and buggy, they saw people land on the moon. I mean, all that shit, telephones.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  Who got fucked with the baby boomers? They were just old enough to not understand cell phones. Like, they got fucked. Millennials got fucked. Millennials got real fucked.

• 3:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know about the greatest generation. I think, I think you're correct. I think the passage of the internet, like the internet going through our lives and, and cell phones, like, I experienced VHS tapes first.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:56Joe Rogan?

  Then I experienced answering machines. That was a big one. Caller ID, you know who's calling you. You could just duck people. That was crazy.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  I remember when caller ID showed up. Never remember when Star 69 showed up.

• 4:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Where you could block your caller ID.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  Star 69 was good because you could call people back that were pranking you.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, hey, motherfucker. Like, what? What's going on?

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Dude, we got prank calls. My kid, my gen, my kids didn't ever got prank calls. Like, they never understood what a prank call was.

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  The Jerky Boys. Jerky Boys were fucking amazing.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 4:29Joe Rogan?

  Those guys were so funny. So, those recordings were so funny. You know who did a great fucking prank call video, uh, recording?

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Who?

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  Greg Fitzsimmons.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Really?

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, it's hilarious. He did this one where called a rental car place? And he said that it's, the car was on fire because they, they went to the gas station and they filled up pots and pans with gas? And they put it in the backseat and fucking Bobby smoking and now the car's on fire. Like you gotta hear this guy freaking out. What do you mean the car's on fire? It's, you can't do that anymore.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Dude, Greg, you know when people go like, uh, what kind of music you listen to? And you talk to a real musician, like you talk to the Black Keys, right? And then you, you go like, what do you guys listen to? They're like, have you heard of the Velvet Thud or something?

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. They've all got some obscure rap there too.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  That's what you need to listen to. When people say, I listen to Sunday Papers, that's Fitzsimmons and Gibbons podcast? I go, you're real comedy fans. Those are the two funniest human beings alive, ever. Greg Fitzsimmons, when I got Ready for Lucky, I brought him on the road with me. I was like, dude, I trust you. Just tell me where I'm sloppy, tell me where I'm lazy, tell me where I'm leaving jokes. And that first night, he was like, you got a minute? And he went through my whole hour. He's like, I think you're leaving this on the table. Dude, those motherfuckers are the funniest dudes alive.

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Greg's awesome. We started out together. We, we started like one week apart from each other.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  For real?

• 5:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, literally. We went on the road, god, in the early days, Greg and I traveled everywhere. We, we did open mic. We would drive to Rhode Island, do open mics together.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  He was a great example of the first dude I ever saw talking about his family on stage, and it wasn't nerdy.

• 6:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Him and his son ran a train on his wife.

• 6:14Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 6:15Speaker 01

  It was a great joke. He was like, I had my first threesome.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  It was with my sons, it was a little awkward. I'm fucking great joke up. He goes, my son was breastfeeding, I was getting her from behind.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  We had to high five in the middle. But I remember hearing that as a, remember when, remember being a dad as a comic was like off limits.

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  And I saw that, and I just had Georgia. The second person I saw, the first person is Greg, the second person I saw, and I, I mean, I'm talking just had Georgia, was Louis fucking CK. I went and worked the road with him, and he was doing all the material for that first special that popped for him. And he was talking about his kids, and he was just like, "My daughter's a cunt." And he goes, "I know, I'm not supposed to say that, but what else do you say to someone who won't put their shoes on? They're a cunt. We're trying to leave the house, and they won't put their shoes..." Imagine if you wouldn't leave, and it was just like, and it was like, I'm sitting there, you know, lost in like, what I thought was stand-up was like, some imitation of Dane, you know? And I'm watching Louis going like, "This is something totally different." Yeah. Those guys, best prank call I've ever heard, sidebar, Brendan Walsh.

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  Brendan Walsh is a funny motherfucker.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Brendan Walsh.

• 7:23Joe Rogan?

  What's he up to?

• 7:24Speaker 01

  I don't know, I think he does like, like, uh, like, he's always been like, more, more art comedy, you know, like, more like, performance.

• 7:31Joe Rogan?

  He does these podcasts where he puts a neck brace on, and a wig, and giant glasses, and he plays a character. He's a funny dude, man.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Do you remember?

• 7:40Joe Rogan?

  He was an Austin guy.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  He was an Austin guy.

• 7:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  He was, he was, I remember, he, do you remember he was on your podcast? I remember him telling you the story, and I think about this all the time. A Circuit City had closed by his house. And so, and he lives in Silverlake, do you remember this?

• 7:54Joe Rogan?

  That's right, he made a prank, he told everybody he was turning into a Whole Foods. And he got everybody so excited. "Oh, Whole Foods is giving you Silverlake."

• 8:02Speaker 01

  He just did it for himself. So that he could be at the coffee shop and hear people talking about Whole Foods.

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• 10:33Speaker 01

  He did a prank call. I think Stan Hope sent it to me. He was like, "This is the best prank call ever." And it's Brendan calling a set, like a phone sex. And you know, they always try to keep you on the line. Right. So he's like, "Hey, what are you wearing?" She's like, "Nothing." "What are you wearing?" And he's like, "Nothing." And then you hear like a dog barking in the back and she goes, "Is that your dog?" He's like, "Yeah, yeah, ignore him, ignore him." And then the dog barks a little longer and he's like, tell me, what are you touching yourself? And then you hear a baby crying in the back. And he's like, is that your baby? And he's like, no, it's fine, it's fine. It's a different room. It's totally fine. And then you hear a woman come in and go, are you on the fucking phone sex again? And he's like, hey, leave me alone. And she's like, do you need one to do this later? And he's like, don't worry about it. And then you hear a marching band come in playing, alu alu alu.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  And he's just trying to hold her on the line. Dude, I was crying. That is like, like, you know, not to like, get too meta about it, but comedy has become so, and I'm a part of this, of so self promotional and put it on, I got to tell you, it's a new show. When you see someone like Brendan or like, or like Greg and Mike, who just do it for the pure, just to make themselves giggle.

• 11:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  It's so beautiful. Gillis is like that.

• 11:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Gillis is, Gillis, I always think, he's just a, like a, like a, my favorite Shane Gillis story that I will, for the, until I die. We're doing, uh, we're doing Fully Loaded, the first year. And Shane's on everyone, Mark's on everyone, Nikki's on everyone. It's like, it's the best year we probably did it, no offense. And Shane sees my daughter Georgia, who's being a P A with her friend Daisy. And it's the very last night and Shane walks up and he's like, you guys sneaking beers? And they're like, no. He goes, oh, come on, am I gonna rat you out? I'm like, no, we're not. And he's like, come on, you're 18 years old, you're on tour, it's our last night. You guys are sneaking beers. And they're like, we're not sneaking beers. He goes, I can smell the beer on you. And they're like, we've been sneaking beers.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  And he goes, okay. And he just sits down right next to me and goes, Georgia's sneaking beers.

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  Did you know she was sneaking beers?

• 12:35Speaker 01

  No, I had no idea. Shane just fucking ratted her out.

• 12:38Joe Rogan?

  She's your daughter.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  You're getting hammered every night. You're not gonna notice? Like dad's drunk.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  You won't even know if we're drunk.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Uh, she would, yeah. She, it's funny because I go to like her college and other dads, you know, party. And like, she's like, she doesn't, she's always like, kinda low key about it. And like, the dads will like bite beer cans and kill them and shotgun beers.

• 13:03Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 13:03Speaker 01

  I know, that's what dads do.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:06Joe Rogan?

  What's dads? I don't mean these dads.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  Well, you're in a different school zone.

• 13:10Joe Rogan?

  Bah.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  The, uh, that's what dads do and, and I'm always like, you know, this is what I do for a living. Like I could fucking murder these guys. She's like, ugh, dad. I'm like, oh, you like him crushing a beer and shotgunning it? Fucking, like a microdose, what are we talking about?

• 13:27Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. What were you telling about, um?

• 13:30Speaker 04

  Oh, shut up.

• 13:31Joe Rogan?

  Jamie? You were, uh, I'm sorry, but right before we get started, you were telling me about something.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  The REM sleep or lucid dreaming sleep communication? I gotta figure out where I put it. I sent a DM to someone about it, I think.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  So I gotta tell you before we find out. So Eddie Bravo calls me the other day and he goes, did Bert Kreischer lose everything? And then get it back? I go, what? And he goes, yeah, it was so confusing. He was on Shannon Sharp's show and Shannon says to Burt, what was it like? You lost everything and then you had to build it back. And he goes, it seemed like it wasn't true. I go, it's not true. And I go, did Burt go along with it? He goes, yeah. I go, what?

• 14:14Joe Rogan?

  And I couldn't wait to talk to you about it. Cause I could totally picture someone saying to you some story that totally never happened and you not wanting to be confrontational. So you just go along with it? Is that what happened?

• 14:27Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 14:28Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  The fucking whole show.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  How did you not say that never happened?

• 14:33Speaker 01

  He just caught me off guard.

• 14:35Joe Rogan?

  Caught you off guard?

• 14:36Speaker 01

  I was like.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  Did, did at any point in time you say, I should probably say this never happened? No?

• 14:41Speaker 01

  I was like, he was like, you lost everything. In my head, I was like, I did? And he was like, he was like, but you made it all back. And I go, I did?

• 14:49Joe Rogan?

  Where is this coming from?

• 14:50Speaker 01

  I have no idea. He said it and I just was like, uh huh.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  Why did you say that?

• 14:56Speaker 01

  I don't know. I didn't even know what I said after. He's like, how did you do it? And I just was like, I don't know, Shannon. I was just focused and really started. Like, I have no fucking clue. I should not be allowed to talk on microphones. I literally was like, I don't know what I said even after it, to be honest with you. But I was like, I guess he has it in his notes. So I was like, yeah.

• 15:16Joe Rogan?

  So someone must have Googled, did Bert Kreischer, probably some Reddit thread. Bert Kreischer lost everything.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  I guess. And like, you know, the stories about you online are more prevalent than the true ones. So you just go, I guess that's what he heard.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  And you just went with it?

• 15:33Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 15:34Joe Rogan?

  That's so weird to do.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  I was, I had no, I was like, in my head, I was like, trying to think, maybe he was talking about like, you know, I had development deals when I got into the business.

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you didn't lose them. They gave you money.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 15:46Joe Rogan?

  It just never became a show.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  But then, no, but I'm saying like, maybe, I was, in my head, I was like, maybe he's thinking that like, you know, I had a lot of development deals early and then I didn't for a few years and I worked the road and maybe that's what he was saying and then I made, I'm back. I don't know. I was like.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  But even when you worked the road, you worked the road and you had the Travel Channel show, there was no period where it made sense.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  By the way, that is the least of my fish to fry on that fucking show. I got in so much trouble. That, that show, every clip you do goes viral. Every, I just am like, I, I, I was, when I got done that, I haven't felt this in a long time. I was like, I was like, wow. I was like, I think I'm gonna get a lot of texts when this airs.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like he wants that, right? He's got a lot of people on the show that talk a lot of shit. A lot of people, like Cat Williams famously. Was that, that episode was fucking amazing.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  We talked about that.

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  He just went in on everybody, including me. That's why I got him on the podcast. He's like, Joe Rogan want to have me on. Has the same funny three motherfuckers. Unfunny. Yeah, same, seven unfunny motherfuckers. I was like, dude, I love Cat Williams. What are you talking about?

• 16:50Speaker 01

  He's the best.

• 16:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, I never met him.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:52Joe Rogan?

  I'd never met him before. It's like, it wasn't that I wouldn't have him on. It's like, I didn't even know he wanted to come on. I would have had him on.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  That interview was, with him was epic.

• 17:01Joe Rogan?

  Amazing and accurate. The thing about his shit talk is, it's not, he's not lying.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:07Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  It's, it's, you know, it's. When I got out, I was like, it's, I don't mean this with disrespect, but it's Les Shannon, I think more as producers, because he's got cards. So I think the producers are like, what clip's gonna pop? I think they go online.

• 17:24Joe Rogan?

  Right, they try to find controversial subjects.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Like, he brought up, I told you, he brought up one, he's like, Burt, you think Kevin Hart's just lucky? And I was like,

• 17:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  I was like, I said that fucking 12 years ago. And it was just, it was all it was. And I know, I'm even, but it was, this is what it was, Joe. It's like, at a time when, none of us were making money, not you, but like, the younger companies were making money. And you're online, you watch Kevin, and you know Kevin knows I love him. But Kevin's like, I'm the hardest working motherfucker, I'm the hardest working. And in my head, I was like, we're all working hard, like, but a lot of people, you know, were just, you know, waiting for a moment to get in front of people. And then I was like, and then I had an agent, very casually, like, not mine, but at a thing, goes, you know, Kevin should mention how lucky he got. I said, what do you mean? He's like, you know about fool's gold, right? I was like, no. He's like, well, that's the beef between Kevin and Cat, is Cat packed a gun in his luggage

• 18:18Speaker 01

  to go shoot fool's gold, and he got detained. And they were in production, and they're like, we need, we need someone small and black to fit these clothes, we already got clothes for him. Yeah. And he's like, get Kevin Hart. And that was the story I wanted Kevin to tell, because that, as a comic, you can kind of put your head around that. And I've, and by the way, I did not do a good job of explaining it on Shannon's show, because it's like, you know, I'm a fucking talk out of my ass. But like, every comic has had these like moments that skyrocket them, right? These moments that pop. And I went through it, and I think you'll understand it now, but for me, it was the machine story going viral. For Bill Burr, it's the Philly rant. With Bill, that Philly rant just put him in the next level. Jim Jeffries,

• 19:02Speaker 01

  he gets punched in the head at the Comedy Cellar, or Comedy Store in London. His manager happens to be a guy that knows the internet, Brett Vincent, posted on MySpace, goes viral. Every comic that pops always has that, Tom, as I was telling this to Tom, he goes, yeah, it was me, Netflix. He was like, Tom got on Netflix? I mean, I didn't even realize this. Tom said it to me. He got on Netflix when there were two comics on Netflix. Bill Burr and Tom Segura. Bill puts his special out, they're like, "Did you like Bill Burr? You might like Tom Segura." And Tom's like, "If Comedy Central had bought my hour, I would have been fucked." But instead, I sold it to this small streamer, Netflix, and the only other one they had was Bill Burr. And so, as comics, I think sometimes, and you know how much I believe in luck,

• 19:46Speaker 01

  it's so ea- it's easier to hear about someone's luck, where you go, "Oh, that is crazy, that happenstance." I mean, we've said it about you, and I know you probably disagree, maybe to a certain descent, but you're, I thought, I think the greatest thing that ever happened to you was that getting kicked out of the Comedy Store. That, that period of time where you had to reevaluate yourself, and you created this, what you have, and you re- I mean, you would speak to it better than I could, but I think as comics, we look at you reinventing yourself, and reimagining yourself, and, and making it your own fucking entity, and creating this podcast, which has changed all of our lives. That moment, and it must have been tough to lose your agent, get kicked out of the Comedy Store,

• 20:30Speaker 01

  and have to figure things out, that we all got, everyone got behind you. Everyone was like, "That's my guy." I mean, I'm curious what your feelings about that are.

• 20:39Joe Rogan?

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• 21:23Joe Rogan?

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• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:03Joe Rogan?

  And then we were all a victim, like we were all hiding at the store. Like when he would go on stage or he would be in the back of the room, if you were on stage, they would flash the light to let you know that he was in the room. You know how crazy that is, that there's a guy around that steals so much that they have to flash a light whenever a comic's on stage? And then comics would just start doing crowd work.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's insane.

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy. So all the comics knew that what I was saying was the truth and it was proved by like the consequences of someone who was already successful, right? So I was already on Fear Factor at the time. I was already a known person and I lost my agent and I got kicked out of the store.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  That video, that video was akin to the Philly rant, Jim Jeffries getting, that viral moment for you, which.

• 22:53Joe Rogan?

  It was also how well Red Band put it together too, because he's such a good editor. He's so brilliant. It was music, he went back in time, he like, you know, like he spent a lot of time working on that. It was a work of art. But it was, you know, it was the first time that someone was held accountable because, you know, we don't have to name names, but we all know people who snuck through and still kind of have careers, although greatly diminished impact. Because like when they go on stage now, people are excited to see them because they're famous and then that immediately goes away. When you realize there's nothing there, they have no material because they have to write for themselves now. Yeah, you see a giant drop off.

• 23:35Joe Rogan?

  You see the early specials with like great jokes and really funny and then you see like, what is this nonsense? Towards the end, it's just like weird fucking like nonsensical rant something. It's bizarre to watch, but that's what happens when you get exposed and you have to do your own shit. And there's a few of those guys floating around out there.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's crazy because the one thing.

• 24:00Joe Rogan?

  You want a cigar?

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Uh, I can't smoke cigars. Really? What happened?

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. The, I'm not supposed to smoke cigars. I mean, I could text my cardiologist and see what he says.

• 24:11Joe Rogan?

  I heard cigars are good for you.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  I heard, I, they gave them to Teddy Roosevelt.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look what happened to him.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  You know, I can have one cigar. If you're gonna smoke one in here, I mean, yeah, fuck it.

• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  Come on, son.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Just, uh, just do it like old school Rogan where I, anytime I smoked weed, you had to pull the camera away from me.

• 24:28Joe Rogan?

  Because you're on the Travel Channel?

• 24:32Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, we all have a moment where things, but it's like an accumulation of those moments, right?

• 24:39Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's, you know what it is? It's like, uh, you get that moment, like I'll use Burr as an example because, you know, only because I've talked to him about this specifically, but like, he, he didn't love the Philly rant because right away everyone thought, oh, that's his thing. We're gonna, we're gonna heckle him and well, he'll go lose his shit. So he didn't love it. But the thing is that, that goes viral. And then you Google that person. You're like, who is this? And then you see a body of work that's undeniable. And you're like, oh, Bill Burr's my guy. You know, uh, for, for, for Shane, I'm, I mean, in my opinion, it's, it's that YouTube special he did. And then you see Gillian Keeves, you see all his sketches.

• 25:20Joe Rogan?

  It was also him getting kicked off SNL.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  Him getting kicked off SNL was huge.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:24Joe Rogan?

  It was the best thing that ever happened to him. If he was on SNL, he would have been buried on that show like a lot of people. But instead, he gets kicked off, a bunch of people are mad at him. And then they're like, well, what did he actually say? And then people start looking into it and they go, oh, he was just fucking around. He was pretending to be a racist guy in Chinatown.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  That was the bit. Like he was just, they were just talking shit on a podcast. And then he releases that special and you go, oh, he's actually a great comic.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  He's like, dude, his Special Olympics joke.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  He's got so many good jokes.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  His Special Olympics jokes, we were in the bus one time. And, uh, my cousin Andrew goes, has anyone know Shane Gillis? And I, I've known Shane for a while. I've, I have hysterical emails that he sent me. Back when he was like, just like an open mic or whatever.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Like going, like, hey, man, I feel like we connected. They're the greatest, Joe.

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  Ugh.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  If he knew that I was, he'd be, I should face him and go, hey, can I read your emails on, on Joe? He'd fucking lose his shit. They're so fucking hysterical, Joe. I'll send them to you. And so, uh, I go, yeah, I love Shane. I loved Shane the day I met him. He goes, uh, he's like, yeah, I'm supposed to go out with my girlfriend tonight. And I was like, but, uh, it was like 10 in the morning. We were drinking, uh, Fireball. And he was like, uh,

• 26:39Joe Rogan?

  10 in the morning?

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were doing, uh, I used to do Call and Sick to Work shows where we'd go to the club.

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  You're drinking Fireball at 10 a.m.?

• 26:44Speaker 01

  He's like, that's what he said. He's like, I'm supposed to go out with my girlfriend. I said, what's your girlfriend's name? And he goes, Big Toona. And I went, Big Toona? He goes, she's a big girl. And I was like, yeah, I figured for the name, Shane. And then I fucking, I've that from that day on. But that Special Olympics jokes. When he, we listened to it in the bus. He's like, what do you think? Should we erase them? I mean, it, we were crying fucking laughing. That's like one of my favorite jokes I've fucking ever.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  He's got a lot of great bits, but that especially they did at the Creek in the Cave. That was like, people got to see, they're like, oh, okay. Well, this is what he does. He, he, he touches on that third wire.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, the third rail rather. And it's like, you know, it's funny. It's really funny. And they were trying to label him as this horrible racist that Saturday Night Live hired. But, you know.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Anything but, uh, from my opinion, but.

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  That, but that happens, man. You're, you're gonna, you know, you're gonna get attacked. There's always something. There's always something that a comic says where someone's gonna get mad, especially in this day and age. People are just looking for things to get mad. But almost always it helps them. If they're a good comic, almost always, like Tony Hinchcliffe, it blew him up. Like almost always when something happens, you get attacked, people start looking at you, go, actually, this guy's really funny. And then they become a fan.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're just getting so many more eyeballs. The people that are looking to hate you, they're gonna hate you no matter what, but there's gonna be a bunch of people that are all like, well, what's going on? And then they look into it. I mean, that happened to me during COVID. I gained 2 million followers in like a month. 2 million followers on, on Spotify in a month when they were trying to pull me off of Spotify. When all like, all these, uh, music artists were calling me a vaccine denier and removing their podcasts. Or you, removing their music. Like when Neil Young and, was it Joni Mitchell? Yeah, Joni Mitchell, they were, they publicly removed their pot, their, their music from Spotify because of my podcast.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Are they back?

• 28:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't know if Joni Mitchell is, but yeah, Neil Young is. I don't even think Neil Young actually owned his music, which was funny. I think it was just like a ploy. I mean, it's like, I think he probably believed a lot of things he was saying. He was just misinformed. He just didn't understand that I was actually talking to people that were legitimate scientists that turned out, they were right now. Now we know.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  But back then, it was like, there was this hysteria about it and a lot of people that were very skeptical started tuning in. And then the whole fucking CNN thing when they turned me green, like all that shit, it just, that helped.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  I don't know if I could have, I like, I'm not good, that people always go, you know, if they're talking about you, it's good. All press is good press and I, but anytime anything negative comes out about me, it fucking devastates me. I don't like, I could not have gone through what you went through.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  You just don't, I just don't read it. If you don't read it, you're fine.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Like, how do you, cause like you come up in my news feed all the time.

• 29:37Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  And, and like, and I, I'm, I'm such a fucking idiot that if I'm scrolling through Google News and I see my name, I go, oh, what's that? And then I'm like, god damn it.

• 29:47Joe Rogan?

  You can't do that.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Last time I did this show, greatest experience, great hang, lucky streaming number one on Netflix. So fucking happy. I'm in my bed going, things are going good for the big guy. Hit on Google News and it's like, picture of me and you, I was like, Bert Kreischer, Joe Rogan. And they're like, Bert Kreischer ruins the Joe Rogan podcast. I'm like, motherfucker. And it was an MMA fucking journalist and I was like, wait, why, god damn it. I was like, ugh. And then, and then you see it and you're like, well, it can't be that bad. I'm gonna read it. And they're like, oh my god. But then my daughter, Georgia, said something very profound to me. She was like, why would you allow that? And I'm sure that guy will write that same article after this episode. She goes, I'm sure he will. I think the guy also has a fucking football feed. He said I ruined the,

• 30:33Speaker 01

  every, any, anytime I do something, there's someone that says, Bert Kreischer ruined it. And I'm the only one that reads it. And my daughter Georgia goes, literally looked at me and goes, did you have fun with Joe? I went, yeah, I had a blast. I love being around Joe. She was like, then fuck it. She goes, your experience is the one that matters the most. She goes, what, why would you allow someone to dictate your memory of an event? And I was like, oh, who the fuck raised you? I was like, I don't know.

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were on the road, she probably raised herself.

• 31:02Joe Rogan?

  That's why she's so wise. She had to form her own opinions.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  She had to read books.

• 31:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she had to actually form her own opinions and think about things rationally, having a father like you. Yeah, you can't, you can't pay attention because the vast majority of people live miserable lives. That's Thoreau's quote. Most men live lives of quiet desperation. There's a lot of people out there that are very, very sad, very unhappy and looking to make something negative. They're always looking to be a critic. Which is fine, you know, that's their prerogative, but it's not, you don't have to read it.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Well, it's, I, I'm at the place now, like I took Google News, I took all Google and everything off my phone. Cause the series premiered and I didn't want to get good or bad. I was like,

• 31:44Joe Rogan?

  Good.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Cause you can't, you can't quantify the good. Like, uh, like if you're gonna, if you're gonna listen to the good, you gotta listen to the bad. And I was like, well, I don't want to hear the bad, so I just want to hear the good. And then, uh, and then we were, Jamie and I were talking about this outside, but like you have a social media team who's posting like, like, like, uh, like your, your, your claps, like they're posting like the nice articles. And I'm like, don't even post that. Cause like, I don't even like, just stay out of it. Just if people like it, let them like it.

• 32:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let people have their own opinions. That's the best move. I don't have anybody that does that. I don't have any of that shit.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Do you post all your own stuff on Instagram?

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, on Instagram, if I post it, it's from me.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Really?

• 32:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, always. Yeah. And then there's the Joe Rogan Experience page that the staff does. But that is just a clip from the podcast. They take an interesting clip or someone says something. It's put up with no context. It just says, you know, episode, blah, blah, blah. That's it. I try to do it as like natural and neutral. You like it, you don't like it. If you don't like it, don't listen to the next one. It's okay.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  So wait, what, what is your, what is the impetus for you to post something like, like when, at what point do you decide to share your life?

• 32:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, I just feel like, If there's something I think someone will think is interesting, or something that I would like to see, if someone puts it on their feed, I'll put it in there. Every now, but I don't post that much.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  You don't?

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  Because I don't read that much. I stay off. I don't think it's good for you. I think it's, not only do I not think it's good for you, I think it's genuinely bad for you. And it gets in the way of all the other stuff that I like to do. You know, I'm busy, man. I'm busy. There's a lot of interesting shit to pay attention to in the world. I'm not one of those things. I don't like paying attention to me, you know, and reading me, or, and I don't wanna like go online and see too many car crashes and people getting shot and animal attacks. I guess Tommy and I have the worst fucking text message chain. Him and I, all day, whenever he finds something like unbelievably horrific, some guy getting run over by a truck, he'll just send it to me, and then I'll send it to him, and we're always trying to one up each other.

• 33:46Joe Rogan?

  So when I find something absolutely horrible, someone says me something absolutely horrible, I send it to him. And then we just, that's like my main source of like trauma online is my Tom Segura text message chain. But other than that, I pretty much stay off. I don't think it's good for you, and I feel way better. I started doing it a few months ago. It's like a force of habit, like I'm looking at it all the time, let me just not look at it today. And then I did it another day, and then another day, I'm like, God, I feel better. I feel better, like I genuinely feel better. It's like I'm getting over a cold or something like that. And so I said, alright, well, obviously, like engaging, definitely don't read anything. Like definitely don't like read when people say things about you, and definitely don't read when

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  you post something, read the comments, don't do any of that.

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, people get wrapped up in it, and you realize like, people are just trying to take you down. There's so, I mean, not all of them, a lot of people are supporting you. But it doesn't matter if there's like ten people that love you and one person that hates you, you're gonna think about that one person. You know, which is nuts, but it's just human nature.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  It's crazy how that algorithm works is that, it's just like if there's someone in the front row that's not laughing. Like last night I had a

• 34:59Speaker 01

  I don't know, it's the bottom of the barrel and I don't know how rape came up, but.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  It always does.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  And I was like, well, there's no phones in here. Let's go. If I'm gonna go for it's in this room.

• 35:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  And there was a woman that did not like it. And she was a little vocal in the crowd, you know, the bouncer like, oh, you know, let him, you know, he was working this out or whatever. And then she's like, I was told to shut up. And then in the rest of the night, I'm watching her out of the corner of my eye going, god damn it. And then I just dug holes and holes and holes. And then at one point, the whole audience is chanting rape. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is bad. But, but it's, but it's, it's funny. And then also it's like, listen, say you're some fucking dude looking for a connection in life. And you go to my page and you leave a hundred comments. And they're like, you're the best bird. I love you. When you come to Cincinnati, I'm, I'm gonna be here.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Tampa, I'll be there, man. I'm gonna drive. And then the one time he's like, you're a fucking bitch. And then I reply, he's like, oh, I guess that's how I get the cat to come outside. You know? So that's why I don't read, I don't read any comments.

• 35:59Joe Rogan?

  Whitney was going into, you know, the Whitney thing about Miss Rachel. I didn't know who Miss Rachel is.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  I found out who she is today. 1.8 billion views on how to say mom and dad. And I was like, it makes sense, man.

• 36:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's, she's a, an educator for neurodivergent kids. Is that what it is?

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

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• 37:06Joe Rogan?

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• 37:48Joe Rogan?

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• 38:03Speaker 01

  I watched a couple of videos.

• 38:05Joe Rogan?

  Pull up some videos of Miss Rachel. Because after people were dr- by the way, the worst fucking people were going after her. People that I know that are comedians that are just unbelievably shitty, dishonest, disingenuous human beings, bad faith communicators, people that just like completely distort anything about the person.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:27Joe Rogan?

  And it's just because she's successful. It's a giant part of it. And so they see her making some crack about Miss Rachel because she was watching it with her kid. She didn't know what the fuck it is. So here's Miss Rachel. Let me hear what this sounds like.

• 38:42Speaker 05

  And I have two really special guests.

• 38:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 38:47Joe Rogan?

  No, not at all.

• 38:48Speaker 05

  Dinosaur eggs.

• 38:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't hear anything in my own microphone.

• 38:51Speaker 05

  Can you help me count them?

• 38:53Joe Rogan?

  Do you hear it?

• 38:54Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 38:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't hear you, Bert. There we go. There we go.

• 38:57Speaker 05

  Two, three, four. Four must be the number of the day.

• 39:07Speaker 05

  The dinosaur eggs are hatching. Wow, how many dinosaurs do we have? One, two, three, four.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Okay, pause. Why would you go after this?

• 39:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is like a little kid's show.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, she must have been bored.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  There's nothing different from this, and Blue's Clues, in my opinion.

• 39:29Joe Rogan?

  It's a show for little kids.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, I don't get it.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  I don't know, maybe she was just trying-

• 39:34Joe Rogan?

  She was bored.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  She was trying to write a joke and thought she'd get some traction, I guess.

• 39:38Joe Rogan?

  Maybe she took two instead of one. And then she got a little extra energy.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  He took two instead of one?

• 39:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what she's doing.

• 39:47Joe Rogan?

  All of a sudden, she's like, "Fuck Miss Rachel." But then she started responding to people because she didn't understand what it was she said, and then she took it down and apologized. But you can't apologize to the mob. They come for you. They come for you, and she learned. And I texted her, I said, "Listen, I love you to death. You gotta stop going back and forth to these people. You can't do that. It's not, they don't, this is not a genuine conversation. They don't care if you're, like, if you were a person and you were someone's friend, and you started shitting on Miss Rachel, and someone said, 'Actually, that's like for kids with learning disorders,' and you'd be like, "Oh, fuck, I didn't know." And that would be the end of it.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:23Joe Rogan?

  And then we'd laugh. You know, but these people are not looking for a real conversation. They're just looking to destroy your life. And then so many people, like, "She lost her career, career's over." Like, "Well, you weren't going to see her anyway, you fucking cunt." Like, what are you talking about? You weren't going to pay to see her anyway. Stop saying her career's over. It's not doing a damn thing to her career. You just want it to be over because you live a miserable fucking life, which is why you're on Threads 12 hours a day.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  It's so funny you say that. I just read something negative about Whitney on Threads today. I was like, "What did she do?"

• 40:58Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Threads is the worst.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  And then I saw the Miss Rachel shit, and I watched a video. I had two kids. I don't know, I look at that as I go, "That's nice."

• 41:06Joe Rogan?

  Threads is like for people who've already been, like, humiliated on Twitter, and they're trying to find a new crowd.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:12Joe Rogan?

  It's very weird. Very, very, like, so much negativity. Not that Twitter isn't, like, Twitter's super negative, too.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  I haven't been on X.

• 41:19Joe Rogan?

  I try to look at the news only. I try to look at news and things that people are exposing that's in the news, which is very interesting. Speaking of which, what was that thing that you found?

• 41:30Joe Rogan?

  So this is very strange. This is about people being able to communicate in lucid dreaming.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  True, I guess. We'll find out later, but.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  Scientists report first ever communication between two humans during sleep.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  I'd love this.

• 41:43Joe Rogan?

  Scientists say that science fiction may be coming closer to reality. According to reports, California startup claims it successfully enabled two-way communication between people while they were lucid dreaming. Participants were asleep in separate locations while researchers monitored their sleep and transmitted a coded word designed to be perceived inside a dream without waking them. The system reportedly relied on sensors, wireless communication, and specialized software to detect dream states and relay the message. The company's founder says that what once sounded like science fiction could soon become a daily, a part of daily life. No independent sci- but they're not saying what happened. No independent scientific replication has confirmed the results yet. Still, the experiment builds on real research

• 42:26Joe Rogan?

  showing that interaction between lucid dreams is possible. Yeah, but what is the interaction?

• 42:31Speaker 04

  The coded word, I guess, was it?

• 42:33Joe Rogan?

  Did they relay the coded word to each other? They both got the coded word?

• 42:36Speaker 04

  That's where I started getting into weird space that I found out. This was posted on Instagram like yesterday or something.

• 42:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  Uh, I Googled it. Press release was from 2024.

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  Breakthrough between, breakthrough from REM space, first ever communication between people in dreams. So this is the article about it in Business Wire. Lucid dreams occur, blah, blah, blah. Participants are sleeping in their homes. Brainwaves and other polysomnographic data were tracked remotely. Specially designed, developed apparatus when the server detected the first participant entered a lucid dream, it generated a, how do they detect that someone's in a lucid dream? Because a lucid dream is a dream where you're aware that you're dreaming.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  It generated a random REMO word and sent it to him via earbuds, earbuds. Participant repeated the word in his dream with his response captured and stored on the server. What? Eight minutes later, the next participa- participant entered a lucid dream. She received the stored message from the first participant and confirmed it upon awakening. Huh.

• 43:46Joe Rogan?

  It's a little vague.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  It sounds like they're saying it in the room and the person's grabbing it?

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  No, it's sending it through earbuds.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were both in their own houses, it said at the time.

• 43:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so they receive it through earbuds, he says it in the dream, and then she receives it.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 44:03Joe Rogan?

  Huh. Well, you gotta wonder what is happening in dreams. Dreams are very bizarre.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Have you ever lucid dreamed?

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, not, I mean, I've done it a couple of times, but I haven't on purpose. And I've always wondered why not? Like, why haven't I read books on lucid dreams? Why haven't I tried to do it?

• 44:20Speaker 01

  I think it's something that just happens.

• 44:22Joe Rogan?

  No, you could actually do it. You could, there's, there's guys that practice lucid dreaming.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  I mean, I lucid dream pretty extensively.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Like, ever since, when, I remember when you came out with AlphaBrain, you're, one of the first things you said it would help with lucid dreaming.

• 44:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, if you take it before bed, it definitely helps with lucid dreaming.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I remember saying, I didn't know what lucid dreaming was at the time, and then I found out I was lucid dreaming. And I've, I've lucid dreamed my, my whole life, but now that, once I knew what it was, I could stay in a dream and decide, and I could go back into dreams. I could restart a dream that I just had, go back to sleep and go, I'm going back in. Yeah, yeah. It sounds crazy, and I know it sounds like horseshit, but I never knew what it was, I never knew what it was until AlphaBrain.

• 45:04Joe Rogan?

  There's actual techniques that people practice, and apparently they give classes and courses on how to do lucid, there's books written on it. There's, there's real techniques on how to lucid dream. I just never, I don't know why. Like, I, when I'm tired, I just wanna go to sleep. I go hard all day.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  And when I crash, I just crash. I don't wanna be fucking around and experimenting while I'm sleeping. I just wanna go to sleep.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  My lucid dreams primarily are either, like, I'm, I realize I'm dreaming. I go, I'm asleep, I'm dreaming, this isn't real. Oh shit, I'm in control. And then, and then, a lot of times it has to do with fucking, like... I'm like, oh, I don't have to put a condom on. This is great. This fucking, I can't, I'm gonna bang all these fucking chicks in this room. And then, one time I had a lucid dream where I was like, I could, I was, I knew I was dreaming, I was outside, I had to go up these steps into like, an old cottage. Like, one of those old Hollywood cottages. And I was like, I gotta fuck, I gotta have sex with anyone I want. And in my dream, I was like, oh, pick your wife. How cool is that? And then, I went into this cottage, I know, I fucked my wife.

• 46:06Joe Rogan?

  How cool is that?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  I know, I could have fucked her in real life. And then, but, a lot of my dreams back in the day, when we, when I first started lucid dreaming, I would always decide to fly. And I remember, I remember I had one, right after we, the first time I ever tried AlphaBrain, I had one. And I, and it was, I was doing a photo shoot on Melrose. And I was like, I don't wanna be here. And then I was like, wait, I'm dreaming. This isn't real. I was like, I'm gonna fly home. And so I just leapt up in the air, started flying over Hollywood, and then over the hills. And then I was like, wait, I have no idea, I have no frame of reference for where I am. I was like, it's getting dark. And I was like, where's the 101? And then, in the dream, I was just started, kept flying. And then I'll wake up shortly thereafter, but it's a lot of like, a lot of sex and a lot of flying.

• 46:53Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people breathe underwater in their dreams.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Uh, never breathe underwater.

• 46:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they breathe underwater in their dreams, they fly. Flying's like, really common.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  I used to have like, crazy fucking dreams. Like, wild, I sold a TV show to Comedy Central about my dreams. Like, I've had dreams where I wake up laughing, I've had dreams where I wake up crying. Like, I've, I, I have such insane fucking dreams. But, and I, and I, no one ever wants to, I, no one ever wants to hear you. I would have dream, joke dreams, like, real joke dreams. Like, I had a dream, this is a real dream I had, where I was on stage, and I was in a dance position like this. And, uh, is a, I know this sounds horseshit, it's a real dream. And, uh, and the curtain's drawn and I look around and I see I'm standing on stage with four or five dudes that are all in Klan outfits. And I'm like, oh, fuck. And I look down and I realize I'm in a Klan outfit. And I'm like, motherfucker.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  And I'm like, I gotta get offstage and the curtains draw back. And I hear, and it's an all black people. And I hear the voice, the voice of God go, ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for the Click Clack Klan. And we started tap dancing. And we were so good that the black people got to their feet and they started cheering and we're like, oh my God. And so, yeah. That was, and that was a real dream. I woke up and I wrote it down. I used to write down all my dreams, voice text them. I used to voice text them all. I'd have dreams about you and, and Stan Hope and Ro, and, uh, and Joey Diaz. Like I, I, it was like my whole world. I used to think to myself, like I, I dreamed about Shaq the other day. I was like, I wonder if Shaq ever dreams about me.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  I bet he doesn't.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  I bet he doesn't.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Who's the, who's the, who's someone you've had a dream about recently?

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't really have dreams, too many dreams about people, not people that I know.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  What are your dreams about?

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  My dreams are weird, man.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Like, let's dig into this.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  I had a, a dream that I came on the podcast, I had to talk about because it was the absolute strangest, most realistic dream of my life. And it was a dream where I encountered these beings that were not human. And it was insanely realistic. They were very human-like. I think there was four of them. They were tall and thin and they look kinda, they didn't look human. Their heads were too big, their eyes were too big. And I can't remem, I think they had teeth. I don't remember. But I remember they were joking with me, like, they scared me? And they went, ah, just fucking around. Like trying to get me comfortable with who they are. And they were.

• 49:23Joe Rogan?

  Communicating with me somehow or another through thoughts. And I was really freaked out because they seemed very, very real. It didn't seem like any other dream that I had, so much so that I woke up at like three thirty in the morning and I just lay in bed for an hour trying to go back to sleep and I couldn't go back to sleep. I was almost like, I'm not asleep, I'm wide awake.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:46Joe Rogan?

  And so I went to the gym and I just worked out at four in the morning. And I worked out for like two hours and after it was over, I got in the sauna, did the whole thing. And then I came to work, I was like, I have to talk about this right away because it was so strange. It was one of the only dreams that I've ever had that did not feel at all like a dream. It felt like I was encountering someone or something that was trying to get me comfortable with the idea of encountering them. It wasn't, it wasn't like a dream. It was, I was in the corridor of something that seemed like, it was, it was not like it was from here.

• 50:29Joe Rogan?

  It was like from somewhere else, but it was almost like, it was very oddly lit. Like the walls were lit in a very strange way, but it was almost like it was, it was this corridor, but it had a feeling almost like it was organic, like it was alive, like it was a living thing. It was very fucking strange.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  What if, what if that was, but what if that is something that you did, in fact, in experience that was taken out of your memory and then it's stuck in your memory and you're dreaming about it?

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I mean, you could maybe all day long, right? And so my feeling was that I had, and this is again, it clearly was, I was dreaming, right? So it clearly could have been just a dream. But what it felt like was that it was an actual encounter with intelligence that wasn't human. That's what it felt like. And it felt like these things were not, they were not us. And maybe they were what a human will be someday because they were human-like, but they were very slender, they were very thin. And they were wearing these suits that were like, almost like rash guards, like what surfers wear. But.

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  But but a strange fabric, like it looked weird. And it was the color of their skin, but it was clear that they were wearing something. Didn't appear that they had any genitals. They had no muscle tone at all. They were just thin. And they were communicating with me and looking at me and they were they were close, like where you are right now. And I think, like I said, I think it was at least three of them. I think there was four of them. But I remember there was one that was going like like jo- and then like ah joking around with me, like trying to scare me.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:11Joe Rogan?

  And then like like and it felt to me after they did it like, relax. Like, this is okay. Like, don't be freaked out. Whatever this is, don't be freaked out. And then I woke up and when I woke and then there was also this weird reptilian element of it. There was like a barrier. They had a barrier and they were feeding like with they were like pouring food to these things that almost like was letting me know the the protection between you and this horrific danger that's out there

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:42Joe Rogan?

  in the world, in the universe, in life. It's very, it's very thin. There's very thin protection. There's not much protection. It was just a like a like a barrier, like a a simple barrier, like a you know, like a a fucking a blockade they put to keep a crowd from passing through an area to let you know you're not supposed to go here.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  It's crazy how it's crazy crazy how much you how long ago did you have this dream?

• 53:05Joe Rogan?

  Few months ago.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  But isn't it so wild that something that didn't happen?

• 53:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Can be locked in your memory? And then you just you're like, God, it affects you almost like it did.

• 53:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, now it's like a memory of my recollection of the memory, which is odd. Which is memories in general, which is why people distort memories and change them and make, you know, make the past something that's not real. You know, you've talked to people that, yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we all do it.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  I do it on podcasts.

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody does it, but this was different. This whatever this dream was, I mean. Look, there's a lot of Confusion about what happens during sleep. You know, we don't exactly know why you have dreams. And what it's all, what's the function of it? What's the purpose of it? But this one was different. It was much more realistic than any dream I had ever experienced before. Like, the, the interaction between me and these, these creatures, these beings, was very different than anything I'd ever experienced in a dream. The point like, I, I felt it physically. And I woke, I can sleep on a bag of rocks. I can just go to sleep, dude.

• 54:17Joe Rogan?

  I have no, it drives my wife crazy. Because she struggles to sleep and I, if we got on a plane, I just, I just cock out. Cause I'm always going. So like, when it's time, when it's downtime? I don't have a problem sleeping, dog. I can go to sleep. I'll sleep on a roof. I can sleep. I couldn't go back to sleep, which is really weird for me. I mean, I was wide awake at four in the morning, you know? And I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm going to the gym. Cause I laid in bed for a whole hour trying to go back to sleep. And it's just a dream, just go to sleep. I'm like, dude, just get up. You're not going to sleep. And I'm like, all right, well, I'm up. I'll just go work out. Like, maybe that'll help me go to sleep. Nope. I was wide awake, wide awake.

• 54:59Joe Rogan?

  I wasn't even, most of the time when I'm working out, I'm either watching music or watching fights on TV. I didn't even do that. I was just by myself in silence, trying to make sense of it. Just doing chin ups and dips and trying to make sense of whatever the fuck that was. Cause it just didn't seem like a dream. It felt so real. It felt so real. And when I've talked to like my UFO friends, I feel like, like Jesse Michaels is like really into UFOs. And he's like, I think you had a real encounter. I'm like, ah, I don't know. You know, I don't know what it was. But it certainly felt like a real encounter, whatever it was.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Do you listen to anything while you sleep? Or you sleep in the silence? Oh, I listen to podcasts, so I'll have dreams.

• 55:37Joe Rogan?

  While you're sleeping?

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Always, always.

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  That's so ridiculous.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  I listen to.

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  It's so unhealthy.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  I listened to a podcast about Rasputin last night.

• 55:44Joe Rogan?

  You ever see his dick? They have his dick pickled in a jar.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Are you ser- dude, he was the-

• 55:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the guy was hung-

• 55:50Speaker 01

  You know, he was just fingering chicks.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure?

• 55:52Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 55:53Joe Rogan?

  I think he was fucking-

• 55:53Speaker 01

  It's not, it's not in the-

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  A giant hog like that? I think he's putting it to use. Find Rasputin's hog.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  But he was, that's what he did-

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  I am, of course you are.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  I would love to see his dick.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  You'll see it. That's his dick. Look at the size of that hog. By the way, that's limp and dead. Imagine what that thing looked like when it was hard? Look at that, look in that guy's face. Look at the size of this cock. Look at this cock. Big old fucking pickled-

• 56:17Speaker 01

  That's a big dick.

• 56:18Joe Rogan?

  I mean, like, again, this is like a dead man's dick, so there's no blood in it at all. Imagine what that thing was like, hard? Big old Russian dick? Big old axe handle?

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Thank god that wasn't my dream.

• 56:33Joe Rogan?

  So he was, you know, he was like, what does it say? Rasputin's alleged genitals were sold in 2000 for $8,000, still surrounded by mystery with some experts believing it might actually belong to a bull. Shut up.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  They tried to hard time killing him.

• 56:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they tried to poison him, right?

• 56:50Speaker 01

  And they shoot him at the end, and then throw him in the fucking river.

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, Russians are different white people.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Ah, that's the joke I missed last night.

• 56:57Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 56:57Speaker 01

  There was, in the bottom of the barrel, they were like, uh, Trump versus Pu- Putin. And I was like, and I was thinking about Rasputin, but I was thinking, but I was like, Russians are hard to kill. And then I just went on to fucking-

• 57:09Joe Rogan?

  What was his thing? He was like a spiritual advisor?

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Oh, Joe, that's a great topic. I'll tell you everything you know.

• 57:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a self-described holy man.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  He was from-

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  From 1869 to 1966.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  He was from Siberia.

• 57:22Joe Rogan?

  Uh, so he gained significant influence with Tsar Nicholas II after 1905, rapidly earning the trust of both Nicholas himself and his wife Alexandra. He became a healer, in quotes, for their hemophiliac son, Alexei.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  What was happening was Alexei was getting given aspirin by the doctors. And Rasputin came in and was like, yo, get the doctors away from him. And he was a hemophiliac, he had internal bleeding. And when they removed the aspirin, which is a blood thinner, he's, the kid started to heal. And so the Tsarina said, he's magic. Even like-

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Like at one point, the kid was gonna die and he wrote a letter and he said, leave, tell that your kid's gonna be fine. I had a dream about it, but get the doctors out of there. And the doctors were always giving him aspirin and that was what was injuring the kid. They're all, all the royalty at that time were hemophiliacs.

• 58:08Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, because of the inbreeding. That's why they didn't have chins, they had long noses and they were all hemophiliacs.

• 58:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  And so, uh, but what's crazy is the Russian, so she loved Rasputin and would write letters to Rasputin. That kinda sounded a little sketchy, but then all of the, all of Russia started thinking. This healer has an end to the czar and the czarina, so all of a sudden, this healer's running the country. What they didn't know, they couldn't tell anyone, no, our kid's a fucking hemophiliac. They couldn't tell anyone that because then they looked weak. And so, so in a weird way, Rasputin got kinda thrown to the wolves because they couldn't tell him why we, why they needed him. That she wasn't fucking him, that their marriage was intact.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  How do you know she wasn't fucking him with that big old giant dick? That probably, that guy was laying pipe.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  He might have been.

• 58:56Joe Rogan?

  He probably was.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  She wrote a letter that says, I kiss your, like she wrote a letter and translation was like, kiss your cheek gently.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Some shit, yeah.

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  He fucked her.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  There was, it was Catherine the Great that fucked a horse.

• 59:07Joe Rogan?

  I heard about that.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:09Joe Rogan?

  Didn't she die fucking a horse?

• 59:10Speaker 01

  I think so. I went to that barn.

• 59:11Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  And when I was in Russia, we went to that barn.

• 59:14Joe Rogan?

  If you, you inbreed, you know, multiple generations in a row and then give them ultimate power, they're gonna start fucking horses. I mean, what, what kinda life is that? What kinda weird world is that? You're born royal?

• 59:27Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm watching again?

• 59:29Speaker 01

  What?

• 59:30Joe Rogan?

  Game of Thrones. Started it all from the beginning.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Are you serious?

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Fucking amazing. We're on season two now.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  You wait, your family?

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me and my wife. It's so good, dude.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  We did it with the girls on vacation.

• 59:41Joe Rogan?

  Bro, whoever that dude is that played Joffrey, that guy should get all the awards.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:46Joe Rogan?

  He's so good. His transition from being like a shitty kid to an evil king is fucking amazing. It's a, he, the way he plays Joffrey is fucking incredible.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:59Joe Rogan?

  I forgot how good that show is. It's one of the greatest shows of all time.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  But you'll never.

• 1:00:04Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  You'll never see him as anything other than Joffrey.

• 1:00:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a problem. Yeah, that's a problem for a lot of people that have like significant, like Kramer, like, you know, like.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Two things.

• 1:00:15Joe Rogan?

  A couple of things. This is the other thing. Do you know he wrote a book and didn't mention that in the book?

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:00:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 1:00:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, somebody read the book. One of the comics read the book. He's like, I'm waiting for that to come up because he never fucking brings it up.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  What's the, what's the title? A tell-all book, except for one thing.

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Except for the fucking biggest thing that's ever happened.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Biggest thing that ever happened in my life.

• 1:00:35Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, it was the first cancellation, the first public cancellation.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Was that really the first cancellation?

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, through viral video. The first public cancellation through viral video. Because I, I remember that night because I think I was at the improv and then I came over to the store.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  I do remember that night.

• 1:00:53Joe Rogan?

  And Brett Ernst was at the store. He had just come over from the Laugh Factory. He goes, "Bro." He goes, "I was just at the Laugh Factory." He goes, "Kramer was off the rails." He goes, "He went nuts. He got heckled. He started yelling the N-word at these fucking people in the audience." I go, "No." He goes, "Dude, it was fucking crazy." He goes, "He was bombing and they were heckling him." And then he starts dropping N-bombs. I'm like, "No way." He goes, "Yeah, I don't know what the fuck he was on." But he, he did a set at the store. He seemed a little, little speedy.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Joe Rogan?

  A little, you know, a little elevated. And then left the store, bombed at the store, and went over to the Laugh Factory, and that was that night.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  He did, uh, he was at the improv the weekend before. And I was there. And he was, he was doing stand-up, but he was doing of, of a version of Kramer, a version of like crazy, and he fell on a glass.

• 1:01:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  And broke the glass and cut himself. But everyone laughed, and I think everyone was like, "I think he's bleeding." But it was like really off.

• 1:01:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was doing really off stuff from the jump. Like, he came to the store. I think he just decided to start doing stand-up because Seinfeld had been canceled for a long time, wanted to start doing something again. And he started doing stand-up, but he didn't have any material.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Joe Rogan?

  He would just kind of fall down. It was weird. He would like pretend that something went wrong and like try to do the mic stand and slip and fall. It was very odd. Which is also my theory that I've been telling everybody about Chevy Chase.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Ooh, I'd love to hear this.

• 1:02:20Joe Rogan?

  So, everybody is talking about what a terrible person Chevy Chase is, and you know, there's all these videos that come out of him screaming at people and being mean and, you know.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  I saw one with Bill Murray, Rodney Dangerfield and him. Where it's like back, right when they're promoting Caddyshack.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he yells at some other guy, right? Some other guy that's on the set? And this is my take on it. I want you to pull up the like a compilation of Chevy Chase's pratfalls. Okay. Chevy Chase has to be in constant pain. Has to be. He has to be in constant pain and almost 100% has CTE. Chevy Chase used to throw himself down flights of stairs. He used to throw himself off the stage into chairs and tables. He used to like slip, go flying through the air, land on his head. The most ridiculous pratfalls.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  The most aggressive, violent pratfalls you've ever seen. And he did this for years.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Joe Rogan?

  For years. Like he was in a car crash multiple times a week for years.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, maybe he had a shitty personality already.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Well, I think he was, he was also that first generation of what fame is. Like he was the most famous person to ever come off SNL ever. Like his walking off SNL was like, get ready for a movie star and I don't think, I don't think we'll ever, I, I won't ever understand the level of fame he had.

• 1:03:51Joe Rogan?

  At the time.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  Like, like his fame was like, and this is also, I mean, like, look, I love Burt Reynolds.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  But, but Steve Martin was super famous too and he's not a cunt.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's like, I don't think that's it. I'm gonna, I want you to see these videos.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  I don't know why I can't find a compilation. I can find a bunch of videos of it.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  Just, I know there's a compilation because I've seen it.

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  I just typed it in and the video that pops up only has, it's a four minute video of him on Johnny Carson.

• 1:04:16Joe Rogan?

  No, no. I know.

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  I'm telling you, there's.

• 1:04:19Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch. There's a bunch.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  Gerald Ford, that was Gerald Ford fell, right?

• 1:04:26Joe Rogan?

  So he would, yeah, because Gerald, Gerald Ford was kind of like Biden, he would fall all the time. So here is, dude. Look at that. You know how hard he falls there? Like, go back and watch that again. Watch, watch how hard he falls when he does this. This is him doing this Christmas. What happened? The Christmas thing that you just showed.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  I'm telling you, I just accidentally disappeared.

• 1:04:50Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. You can find it. Okay, watch this, watch this, watch him fall. Boom, head first. With the tree, falls down, barely stops his fall.

• 1:05:08Joe Rogan?

  Chevy Chase worst wrestling moments from Saturday Night Live. Like, this is just...

• 1:05:13Joe Rogan?

  This is him just stumbling around. This is nothing. But there's videos of him...

• 1:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Fall... Okay, obviously that chair's gonna break.

• 1:05:28Joe Rogan?

  No, this is not what I'm looking for. See if you can find it. Find it and get back to us. But there's... I know there's videos of him, like, literally, like, flying offstage, landing on his back, slipping, legs up in the air, landing on his head.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I felt... I had to fall off a ladder for a TV show one time. They're like, "We need you to fall..." And they had a crash pad. You get four steps up a ladder, you're high as fuck.

• 1:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, even if you have a crash pad, your head is wobbling around, right? So your brain is sloshing around from the impact. This is one of the things that people don't realize. Like, football players get brain damage from getting hit in the chest. So CTE you can get from riding a jet ski, from bouncing on the waves. It's your brain walking, fucking bouncing around off the walls of your skull.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  From roller coasters.

• 1:06:17Joe Rogan?

  You can get it from everything. You can get it from a lot of things. Repeated subconcussive trauma. But he fell and landed on his fucking head.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  And if you find the video, that's a compilation. There's a compilation that people like the worst falls of Chevy Chase. And it's crazy.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:06:34Joe Rogan?

  And he did this for years. That was his thing. Slip and fall, slip and fall, slip and fall.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  And tons of coke.

• 1:06:41Joe Rogan?

  All those things. So slip and fall, allegedly tons of coke.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Allegedly.

• 1:06:45Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly. I mean, I don't know. I mean...

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  I've read some books.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the book on... Do you know what happened when Bill Murray was here, when he was talking?

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  Wired? Are you talking about... I love that book.

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  So when he read Wired, he read... So the guy who wrote Wired was Bob Woodward. Bob Woodward was the guy that was involved in Watergate. He was the Naval Intelligence Officer who became a journalist. And his first ever assignment was to take down the president, which is very suspicious. Like, Tucker Carlson told me the whole story behind it. I was like, "What?" The people that were... That broke in were all FBI. The whole thing was a setup. It was to set Nixon up. And they'd already gotten rid of Spiro Agnew, who was his VP. They got him on, I think, corruption charges. I forget what it was.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Didn't Kennedy put the bug system in there? Wasn't the, it was the president before that put the, put the wired, the wiring in the, inside the room, right?

• 1:07:39Joe Rogan?

  What room?

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  In Watergate, didn't, was, didn't?

• 1:07:42Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, it was a setup. Nixon was not involved in the setup, but they told him about what happened and then he was involved in the cover up. That's how they got him. That's how they got him and that's how he got removed from office.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  And the recordings were from his office, right?

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  The recordings were from the Democratic Party. So he was recording the Democratic Party. He was recording, he was secretly recording the opposition party, but he didn't do it. So the FBI did it and then they brought it to him, knowing that he would cover it up and that's where he committed the crime. Like instead of coming out and saying, hey, some people have, uh, recorded these people. And even if he did that, they would have said he was involved. But the, the whole thing was to get him out of office. The reason why they wanted to get him out of office is because he was publicly and privately stating, at least amongst other people that were in the White House and that he knew who killed JFK and he was gonna get to the bottom of it. Because look, JFK had just been killed. He ran against JFK in six, in 1960.

• 1:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Sixty or sixty-two? Sixty-two? What year was it? And either way, I think it was sixty. He ran against JFK. And then JFK gets assassinated and now he's the president. And when he's the president, he was publicly stating, or privately stating to different people, like, he was gonna get to the bottom of it and he knew who killed JFK. He was like in, investigating it. He was interested in it, obviously, because he was worried they were gonna kill him. And so then they set him up and they removed him from office and they put Gerald Ford in as his VP. Gerald Ford was also on the Warren Commission. Like the whole thing was a giant setup to get rid of the most popular president in the history of the country. You know, and everybody's like, oh, Nixon's a crook. Nixon's a, I'm not a crook.

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  That was all like his gigantic propaganda PR campaign to remove Nixon from office. It was all a deep state operation. Nixon won the presidency like the widest margin of anybody in history. He was the most popular president in history. And in today's days, we think of Nixon as being a crook and a scumbag. But he didn't even do it. He was just involved in the cover up when they brought it to him. Was like, what is he gonna do? He's running for president again to reelection. And they're saying, you know, hey, these guys, they busted these guys recording things. Cover it up, cover it up, cover it up. And so that's how they got him.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  And what was his post presidency like?

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  So wait a minute, let me finish.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, uh, before I go any further. So Bill Murray is here and he said he read the first couple pages of Wired. And he goes, he put it down, he goes, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. That was the first thing that he said. He said, because the version that Bob Woodward told of John Belushi, his very good friend, was so wildly off. He goes, that time where John did that speedball and died was probably the only time where he ever did that. He goes, he was a total lightweight. He would have a couple of drinks and he'd be drunk. He wasn't a guy who did drugs all the time. He goes, it was all bullshit.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Are you serious?

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Do you realize like guys like Chris Farley literally idolized John Belushi because of books like Wired?

• 1:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. And well, the difference is Chris Farley really was doing drugs.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Myself, I idolized John Belushi.

• 1:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  I read Wired when I was in college and was like, dude, this is, I mean, there's so many aspects of my personality that I draw from a book like that of like the way he was comfortable in an agent's office. And, and about P12 shots I get because of John Belushi.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm sure he did all those things and I'm sure he partied. But it like the version, this, this exaggerated version of just being completely out of control on drugs was fake. And this is according to Bill Murray, who was best friends with him. He's like, it's not true. It's like if somebody tried to write something about you and I read it and I was like, this is not bird at all. So his initial thought was, oh, my God, they framed Nixon.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  And they did, they did frame Nixon. See if you can find the video of Tucker Carlson explaining to me how they framed Nixon.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  I have a copy of Wired in my tour bus.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't read it.

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  I'm gonna get rid of it.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Bob Woodward's an intelligence agent. 100%. He was naval intelligence and then he left from that, which you never really leave. And then he became a reporter for the Washington Post.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  And his first job was Watergate.

• 1:12:04Joe Rogan?

  Which is nonsense.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  It's fucking insane.

• 1:12:06Joe Rogan?

  There's no way. You would, a senior reporter would be covering the most important story. You wouldn't give it to a rookie whose first assignment.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  That's, and what about, well, what's Bernstein? What about him?

• 1:12:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Cause didn't they write it together?

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they did. I mean, I don't know anything about Bernstein.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  And then Deep Throat was there. Did we ever find out who Deep Throat was?

• 1:12:23Joe Rogan?

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• 1:13:55Joe Rogan?

  Let's listen to some of it, cause it's interesting.

• 1:13:57Speaker 06

  That's what it is. It's their tool, and they're perfectly aware of that.

• 1:14:02Speaker 05

  I mean, I used to write for the New York Times as a freelancer. I mean, I've been around the New York Times a lot. And there are, yeah, there are a lot of really smart people there, for sure. Even now, I would say less so now, but there's still, I think, smart people there. There are, I know some. And they know. But they think that that, you know, it's worth it because they're bringing information. I don't know what they think, actually. But no, they're, they're tools of power. And that's like the one thing that you're not allowed to be. Even if you think the power is good, like, maybe they all support the agenda of the US government, destabilizing the world and impoverishing their own population. Maybe they're on board with that. Even if they are, they shouldn't do it, because the

• 1:14:40Speaker 05

  job of the media, the press, is to keep power in check. You are kind of like the seatbelt, right?

• 1:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:14:51Speaker 05

  You make sure that things don't go too far. So, and they're not doing that. They're acting as a willing handmaiden.

• 1:14:59Joe Rogan?

  When do you think that switched?

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  I think it's been the case for a long time. I mean, if you look at what happened to Richard Nixon, which I, of course, did not understand at all. Richard Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA. And with the help of Bob Woodward, who was a Washington Post reporter, who had been a naval intelligence officer, working in the White House, working in the Nixon White House. And then he shows up, like, a year later, and he's this brand-new reporter, never been a journalist at all, he's a naval intel officer, the famous Bob Woodward, we all revere. And he's at the Washington Post, and somehow he gets the biggest story in the history of the Washington Post. He's the lead guy in that story. Well,

• 1:15:45Speaker 05

  I worked at a newspaper, I've been in the news business my whole life. That is not how it works. You don't take a kid, like, his first day from a totally unrelated business, and put him on the biggest story. But he was. He was that guy. And who is his main source for water? Oh, the number-two guy at the FBI. Oh, so you have the naval intelligence officer working with the FBI official to destroy the president. Okay, so that's a deep state coup. What else? How would you describe that? If that happened in Guatemala, what? What would you say? And yet, the way it was framed and the way that I accepted for decades was, oh, this intrepid reporter fought power. No, no, no.

• 1:16:24Speaker 05

  This intrepid reporter, Bob Woodward, was a tool of power, secret power, which is the most threatening kind, to bounce the single most popular president in American history, Richard Nixon, from office before the end of his term, and replace him with who? Oh, Gerald Ford, who sat on the Warren Commission. Now, how did Gerald Ford get to be Richard Nixon's vice president? Well, because Carl Albert, the Democrat Speaker of the House, told him, "You must choose him. We will only confirm him when they sent the actual elected vice president away for tax evasion, Spiro Agnew of Maryland." So you have a complete setup, like an absolute...

• 1:17:04Speaker 05

  Gerald Ford, the only unelected president in American history, actually sat on the Warren Commission. Something else that I accepted at face value until I looked at it, and I was like, "That's completely insane." You didn't want to interview Jack Ruby in your investigation of the assassination? Okay, you're fake. Yeah, he was on the Warren Commission. And so, sorry for the long story, but the point is, like, that happened in front of all of us, but the way it was framed cloaked the obvious reality of it. The people who broke into the Watergate Office Building, from which the name is taken, Watergate? I think it was six of them or seven of them. All but one was a CIA employee. That's real, and it's like, look it up on Google.

• 1:17:45Speaker 05

  So, the whole thing, Richard Nixon was elected by more votes than any president in American history in the 1972 election. He was the most popular by votes, which is the only way we can really measure popularity, the most popular president in his reelection campaign, and two years later, he's gone. Undone by a naval intel officer, the number-two guy at the FBI, and a bunch of CIA employees. You tell me what that is. Those are the facts, those are not disputed facts, that's not crackpot shit, that's just, look it up.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  So why did they want to get rid of Nixon?

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  You know, there are a lot of theories on that. I mean, we don't, first of all, we don't need to know motive to know what happened. They, meaning unelected federal employees, got rid of Richard Nixon, which is the most anti-democratic way to make a leadership change that there is. Okay? I should just say, I actually kind of believe in democracy. Obviously, it's not working well. Obviously, it's ending globally. There will never be another liberal democracy, unfortunately. But I'm attached to it because I was born here. I really believe in it, and it's better than any other system. So that's why I'm pissed. What was their motive? There are a lot of theories on this. There's an amazing conversation, it's on tape, between Richard Nixon, when he was still

• 1:19:05Speaker 05

  president, I think it was in 1973, and I think it was Richard Helms, the head of the CIA, though I may have fucked that up, but it was the head of the CIA, and I think it was Helms. And Nixon says, "I know why they killed Jack Kennedy." So Nixon was a student of history, obviously a flawed and complicated person, but a very, very smart person. And he was really interested in why this guy who'd been president, just one president before him, was murdered. And he didn't think it was a lone gunman who was mysteriously assassinated two days later by another lone gunman, like, it's so obviously bullshit. And he knew that. And he said to the CIA director, and you can listen to the tape, it's on the internet, is totally silent on this question.

• 1:19:49Speaker 05

  So I think there was the impression, I don't think I know, that Nixon understood that the bureaucracy was really in control of the country, it wasn't elected officials, and that's a massive threat. Because it's true.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:20:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  That's all media.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  All media takes their slant and their angle and decides they're going to dictate it their way, as opposed to, I don't even know, I don't even know of a journalist that, I mean, no one, there's no one that sits objectively and watches anything anymore.

• 1:20:25Joe Rogan?

  No, not in mainstream media.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  No, absolutely not.

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  You saw what they did with the photo of that kid who got shot, that pretty guy who got shot in Minneapolis? MSNBC doctored his photo and made him better-looking, fixed his teeth, squared his jaw, gave him a tan. You haven't seen it?

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Please pull that up.

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  We showed it yesterday, but we'll show it again today, the before and after. It's in the text that I sent you. It's fucking crazy. Look at the difference.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's him on the left, he looks like Ari's brother. On the right, he, he looks like some fucking handsome CrossFitter. Like, look at the difference. Look at the teeth. Look at the nose. They shrunk his nose. They widened his jaw. They shrunk his chin. It's crazy. They decided he was too ugly to be sympathetic towards.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  So, so then, so then, ah, man, this kind of bums me out. That you, I mean, I, I always kind of had hopes up that if I turned on, if I turned on the news, I'd hear some objective rant or some objectiveness of anything. But there's none.

• 1:21:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta go independent. You gotta go to Glenn Greenwald and Michael Schellenberger and people like that, Matt Taibbi. You gotta go to independent journalists. Those are the only ones that are gonna give you the real deal. People that are connected to giant corporations, that their jobs distribute the news, they're not gonna give you. They're gonna give you a narrative that's approved. Who was Deep Throat? Cause Deep Throat was exposed. They did eventually expose Deep Throat, and it's even more shocking when you find out who Deep Throat was.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  I saw the movie.

• 1:22:00Joe Rogan?

  That's a different movie. That's about sucking cock.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  That was a good one.

• 1:22:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, the, the name Deep Throat was because it nodded to the movie.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  Oh, for real?

• 1:22:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the, the, the movie came out first. Um, Deep Throat was, uh, W. Mark felt the number two official at the FBI during Watergate, who secretly provided key information to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodburn. So the FBI was involved in the break in. The number two official at the FBI was the guy who was providing information under the name Deep Throat. So the FBI did it. They did the whole thing.

• 1:22:36Joe Rogan?

  Is that your phone?

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm an old man, Joe. FBI. It's the FBI. He said FBI too many times.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Who's calling you when it's on do not disturb? It might be the FBI.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Spam risk? Should I answer?

• 1:22:46Joe Rogan?

  No. Why is it, I don't understand, you put it on do not disturb?

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  I have no idea, Joe, I'm old.

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  They're hacking it.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  I'm fucking, I gotta, I need, they probably do.

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird ring, though.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  It's an old man ring. Cause my wife doesn't answer her fucking phone, so I trained her ring to that, so she changed my ring to that. We're two old fucking people. So then what's the fix? How do I trust anyone?

• 1:23:06Joe Rogan?

  You have to trust independent news. Independent media that's not connected to any corporation. Because as soon as you're connected to a corporation, you're connected to advertisers. As soon as you're connected to advertisers, the, a giant percentage of advertisers on television is pharmaceutical drug companies, major corporations. So you have things that you're not allowed to touch. That's why you never hear anything in all the news about vaccine injuries. Never. Never hear about all these people that are having strokes, all these people that, the rise in heart attacks, the rise in myocarditis, particularly amongst young people, blood clots.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  That's what we were talking about, I got vaxxed like four times. Like boosters from W, W Johnson, Johnson, Johnson. And that's the first thing they say when they start looking at blood clots, they're like, "Did you get vaccinated?" And I was like, "Yeah, four times." Even doctors are like, "Fuck, you didn't need to do it four times."

• 1:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I don't know why you did that.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Cause you had to get in a goddamn concert. You had to show fucking-

• 1:24:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you didn't have to have four of them to get in a concert.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  I had a TV, uh, first one was real early. Like I got it when, when you were gotten cancelled for getting it. They're like, "Just, just Mexican people." And I just went in with a mask on, like, "Hola." And got a fucking shot in East L.A., cause I had to go shoot a movie.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  They're like, "Do not show your fucking face." And I was like, "I won't, I won't."

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Why not show your face?

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  Cause it was like, it was back when it was like, uh, it was just, um, what was it, neat, not needy workers, what is it called? The, remember, remember the first round of-

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  Support workers?

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  It was like, uh, like people you need in the coun- you know?

• 1:24:32Joe Rogan?

  Right. Essential, essential workers?

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then I was shooting a movie, so they, they got me a pass to get a-

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you got it when you weren't supposed to get it?

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, way early.

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Ah, interesting.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  And then, and then I got it, I got it, I had to get it again in Serbia.

• 1:24:48Joe Rogan?

  For a movie?

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  And yeah, and that's when-

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  They made you get it again?

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Again.

• 1:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  And then I got it when I came home, and then I got it one more time.

• 1:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Mo Amer told me he had to do it, he had to get boosted before they let him do his Netflix series.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't he make sense, like, why? Meanwhile, he'd had Covid, he'd recovered.

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  He had covid when we were all doing those concerts. When me and Chappelle and him and a bunch of other guys were doing those pandemic concerts. He got covid. So there was no reason for him to get boosted.

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  I got boosted four times, I got covid 11 times.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  God damn.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, it's like fucking-

• 1:25:22Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  It's crazy. I had covid when I was shooting Free Bird.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Jeez.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  I gave it to a bunch of people. They were like, you gotta cough. And I was like, ah, it's fine. Do you wanna get tested? I was like, no, I'm not getting tested. My wife asked me to wear a condom. I was like, we're good, guys. And then I gave it to one of the dudes, I think. And the dude was wearing a mask. He was the only one that got it. Shout out to my buddy.

• 1:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, he probably had gotten boosted a bunch of times.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  I should tell everyone to watch Free Bird on Netflix. I should say that. Keep going. Can I tell you something I'm obsessed with? And I've been dying to talk to you about? So like, I've been watching a lot of UFC lately. And I want your perspective, because I'm thinking of this globally. Like, Jordan, they compare Jordan and LeBron James, right?

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  And they compare Tom Brady to Joe Montana. And the big argument they always say is, well, you know, Tom Brady couldn't play in the league Joe Montana played in because the rules were different. They got fucked up left and right, right? And like, there were concussions, and there was no roughing the passer. You could hit the quarterback late, all that shit.

• 1:26:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  Well, what about UFC? Because, like, how would, say, and I don't mean slanderous, I'm just curious. Someone like Tank Abbott, or Dan Severnson, or Hoist Gracie, how would they fare against, say, the fighters that are fighting today?

• 1:26:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it really all depends on whether or not, I think Tank Abbott would do really well. I think Tank Abbott would do really well because the heavyweight division is the most shallow division. Like, would he do really well against the guys like Cyril Gahn or Tom Aspinall? Probably not. But he didn't do really well against guys like Maury Smith. You know, the real elite strikers of the day. But Tank Abbott was- A fucking huge man. I mean, he was a enormous, powerful guy who had ridiculous knockout power, and he would brawl. And anybody who brawl, like, look at Derrick Lewis. Derrick Lewis has the most knockouts in the history of the UFC. And he's not like the most highly skilled guy in the sport.

• 1:27:30Joe Rogan?

  He's just a really big, powerful guy who has unbelievable knockout power. And he's still relatively successful even today. I mean, he has the most knockouts in the history of the heavyweight division. But Tank Abbott would still fuck a lot of people up in the lower ranks of the heavyweight division. Dan Severin would still take a lot of people down and beat their asses because he was an elite wrestler. Like, those kind of skills Mark Coleman would take a lot of people down and beat their asses. Those skills that they have, like, the elite wrestlers and the really powerful punchers, they would always do well. Hoist Gracie, um, if, first of all, if he was fighting in the UFC, he would be fighting without a gi. So that would be different, right? So he relied on the gi a lot because he would get a hold of guys, and they would grab the gi,

• 1:28:14Joe Rogan?

  like, instinctively. And he'd be like, great. Like, that's what he wanted. And then, once it went to the ground, I mean, it was like a man and a child. Like, his jiu-jitsu was so good. And for the time, no one even knew jiu-jitsu. So he was a black belt against white belts, and he was just tapping out everybody. Nobody had a chance. In this day and age, that's just not the case anymore. Hoist Gracie still, if he was alive today, I mean, or not he's alive today, of course he's alive today, if he was competing today, if he was a young man competing today, he would still give hell to a lot of people in an appropriate weight class if it went to the ground because his jiu-jitsu is so good. His striking was always a means to an end. His striking, he would go at a distance,

• 1:28:59Joe Rogan?

  he would kick at your legs, but he was, his whole thing was about closing the distance, getting you to the ground, strangling you, getting on you in an arm bar, tapping you out in a triangle, jiu-jitsu. So he was a pure jiu-jitsu fighter. And if it went to the ground today, he would still give real problems to a lot of fighters because he was that good. He was that good on the ground. And today, with the difference in training partners, he'd be even better.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm reading this book by Wright Thompson. You know that dude? He wrote Pappy Land?

• 1:29:29Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  But he's talking about Jordan in this book, and how at 50, Jordan had a hard time. Like going to the next phase of his life. He still was like, what if I put him on, what if I put, I wanna go, you know?

• 1:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Of course, he's a champion. It happens with fighters too.

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I mean, you go back to Shannon Sharpe and he's doing better now financially than he ever did. But I bet he traded all just to be.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's the glory of sport. It's like, there's nothing else like those highs.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Those highs, especially for a fighter. When you're still like Justin Gagey this weekend, who beat Patty Pimblin.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:30:03Joe Rogan?

  Crazy fight. That guy, when it was over, the happiness that he had, the smile on his face. He was so, I mean, he was just in a high, like nothing else in life. It's hard for those guys to put that away. It's hard for those guys to let that go.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  And their identity is completely wrapped around the fact that they're an elite fighter.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  How did you not, how did you not have your identity about your career? Cause I, I know you pretty well and you never really, like, it's tough to disconnect your identity to your career or your dreams or your hopes, which I think fighters, it's easy to understand, athletes, it's easy to understand. But I think it happens with comedians and, and actors and even podcasters to say, how did you not do that?

• 1:30:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know. Um, I recognize the pitfalls in it, but I also recognize that at the end of the day, you're just a human being. And I think, I mean, I've said this a million times and I'm sorry I have to repeat it, but I think brutal workouts are what center me. It's the one thing that centers me more than anything in life. Cause I do to myself, I humble myself all the time. Like I break myself, I break myself down all the time. So that like when life comes or like all that other stuff seems like something I do, it's fun, it's great. It's, but I'm just me. I'm just a human being. I'm, I'm me in the 10th round when I wanna quit. And the bell goes off and I know I have to hit the bag for three more minutes. You know, like I know who I am.

• 1:31:28Joe Rogan?

  Like I don't need my career to tell me who I am. And I have enough fuck you money that I could just sail off into the sunset, bye bye.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Do you think you will?

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  No?

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  No, why, I like this.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  It's fun. I thought about it, I've, I've thought about a bunch of things, doing different things. If I had multiple lives, I would live a bunch of different lives.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  Oh, tell me about one.

• 1:31:47Joe Rogan?

  I'd be a professional pool player. That's what I would like to do. Yeah, I'd like to go on a tour, play professional pool. If I just had like a year to really practice, I think I could do it. It's just. There's no way. There's no money. There's no time. There's no, so I just have to like, keep that one in my head as a hobby and make sure I don't get too addicted to it, you know? My problem is I get addicted to things and then I just like obsess on them and then the, the weird part of my brain that focuses obsessively on things, it would just overcome all the rest of my life and it would just be this one thing that I think of. I allow that in bursts. Like I allow that, like when I was getting ready for my comedy special, my live special, that was my whole life. I didn't think about anything else other than doing that set.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Like when I go hunting, I don't think about anything else other than getting in shape, shooting perfect arrows, getting ready to hunt. I allow myself these brief moments of obsession, but I have to be careful. I have to be careful with my brain.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Your brain's fascinating. I wish I listened to you more. Like when we were younger, you said stuff that I just was like, that's not right.

• 1:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Like what? It might not be right for you.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I wish I had. You, I remember, I remember one time you're like, you're like, you're, you're working too hard. You should be, your focus should be, be less famous. And I was like, what are you talking about? And now I'm there. I'm like, oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  That's why I took the Spotify deal. I was hoping I would be like 10% less famous. That was my idea. I was like, good, less people watch Spotify, less people listen. How many people are gonna go over there? Like Jamie kind of freaked out at the beginning because we lost half of our audience like right away. He's like, we lost half the crowd. Like, so what? Who cares? Good. I'll be less famous. I don't want to be.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  I wanted to be famous so bad.

• 1:33:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's because you weren't, right? And so I already was. So I kind of had a perspective like, this isn't what everybody thinks it is. It's just weird, you know, like the glory of it, it's all fake. Like the, the people that love you, they don't even know you. Like it's kind of crazy. Like the people that love you should be the people that know you, you know? That's a good thing. If the people that know you hate you, but the rest of the world loves you, then you're in an Ellen position, right? You're in this weird position where you're a fake person.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Where everybody thinks you're one thing, but you're actually another thing. So the people around you don't like you. And then when the water breaks and everybody starts talking, all the staff start talking shit about you and you realize like, oh, she was a monster, you know? So I think I had the benefit of having some fame to realize like, oh, this is not. Also, I think about things a lot. I don't just accept things for what they are. If something's happening, I'm like, okay, but what is this really? What is this really? You did listen a little because I remember the one time I called you when you were on a motorcycle in Vietnam. And I was like, bro, you gotta quit that job. And you're like, what? And I was like, you gotta, you're a funny comic, man. You're a funny dude. You're great on podcasts. You don't need to do this. Like, the world's changed. This is holding you back.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  Thank God. Thank God. You know, it's like I always say, like, thank God I had the right people in my life at the right times. Cause there's so much about, like, I'll tell you, like, you know, with the blood clot thing, they said, you know, I never, every time I got sober, it was always to like, just prove I could get sober for a month, you know?

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  And just be like, I'll take a break, get healthy, get good blood work, I'm back at it. This is the first time I've ever looked at it like I never looked at how often I was disrespectful to my health. Like, how often I was like, like, get in the airport and be like drinking at six in the morning, like, fuck it, you know? And then I go, and now that I'm flying, I'm forced to fly sober, I get in the airport and I go, I'll have egg whites.

• 1:35:25Joe Rogan?

  Egg whites, you need the yolk.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  No, because you can't have too much iron when you're on blood thinners.

• 1:35:29Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  And this whole fucking thing's a nightmare. But they said sober for six months. And then I, and then I had a really interesting conversation with my trainer and with Leanne over this conversation. They were like, you know, it's so funny is they don't see, my lifestyle is partying and everything is disrespectful to my health because I work out, because I get blood work, because I'm sober for a minute on, they were saying, it's disrespectful to people that don't, that just stay online and scroll and don't live their life. That's what's disrespectful.

• 1:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, how so?

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  Like, if you're just like, you come home and you lock into video games and you don't go out and you don't really connect with people and then you wake up and you scroll for three hours and then you light a cigarette and you go to work and you come home and you play video games, you're not living your life. And they're like, Leanne was saying the other day, she was like, you know, don't, don't like, like, get excited to start drinking again, but make sure that that, you can measure that, you know?

• 1:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Get excited. Just start drinking again is a wild thing to say.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, I'm looking for it.

• 1:36:28Joe Rogan?

  But how is it disrespectful to people that are watching you?

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. I meant, I meant, you know, people that aren't living, like, people that are leaving comments and like shitting on girls skateboarding going, you should wear a bra whore, like, guys that aren't living their life and not spending their time out with family and, and living their life.

• 1:36:45Joe Rogan?

  So what's disrespectful to them? You said it's disrespectful to them?

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  No, no, they're disrespecting their own life by not living.

• 1:36:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  By not getting in the gym, not going out, not going and having dinner with your wife.

• 1:36:56Joe Rogan?

  So how is your life, you disrespecting your health, doing anything to them?

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  No, no, I think, I was just two parallels. Like, I was looking at health, thinking in hindsight, like, how many times I just, you know, burned the candle at both ends, didn't think, like, how fragile life actually is.

• 1:37:14Joe Rogan?

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• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro backed by a 90-day money-back guarantee. That's drink AG1.com/joe. That's part of the problem is you were able to do that and show no bad health markers. Like you were drinking all the time. You got your blood work done, your liver's fine. You're like, look at this, it's great. Like you were, I remember you were super nervous, like when you first started getting blood work, but then you're like, it turns out it's fine.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you, you have great genetics, you know?

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  But you think, I think now I go, man, I'm like, my grandfather died at 53. And I'm 53. And then you start seeing people die and you're like, shit, man.

• 1:39:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  Like this blood clot scared the fuck out of me because people die from this, they die from it. It's not, it's no joke. And then you're like, well, fuck, that was just me flying.

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  Did they make you do a D-dimer test?

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  No, I don't know what that is.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  So D-dimer test is when they test your body for clots, for microclots. So apparently a lot of people that had got a ton of boosters got, they, they have microclots. And this is one of the things, there was a Canadian doctor that was one of the first guys to get canceled for saying that the vaccine was causing clots. Because he was one of the first guys that was doing a D-dimer test on all of his patients. And he found out that this vaccinated patients, the vast majority of them were having these microclots all throughout their system. And it was being caused, in his opinion, by the vaccine. And boy, eventually his business wound up getting burnt to the ground. He got, he lost his medical license, he lost his practice.

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  It was a crazy story and he was right. He was right, and now it's pretty mainstream, like that discussion of it. And, you know, even doctors who used to prescribe boosters don't prescribe them anymore, which is kind of crazy.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  At what point in time, like, the people that are, that used to say, you need to get your booster, well, how come you're not getting boosters anymore? Covid's still around. Those people aren't getting boosters. No one's getting boosters anymore. None of those people are.

• 1:41:13Speaker 01

  Are they saying that we have a higher antibody rate now? Is, like, why is Covid not as dangerous today as it was then?

• 1:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing that happens with viruses is they become less potent, but more transmissible. And that, becoming more transmissible allows the virus to spread, and being less potent means it doesn't kill the host. So it's actually better for the virus to be more transmissible but less potent. And that generally happens in time when people develop antibodies and people develop, you know, like, a resistance to it. So what happens is the virus just becomes easier to transmit but less potent.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:41:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's why the variants, over time, got less and less. Like, the Delta variant was actually pretty strong, but after that, they started dropping off. And then Omicron was pretty nothing, and then they stopped naming them, because it really wasn't just a couple variants. There's, there's hundreds of them. They don't even know how many. And a lot of it is because they vaccinated during a pandemic. And one of the things that virologists throughout history were always saying is you never vaccinate during a pandemic, because when you vaccinate during a pandemic, you actually encourage variants. Because the vaccine realizes, especially when you have a leaky vaccine, like Covid. So what a leaky vaccine is, a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission and doesn't stop infection.

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  What it does is it, it gives you some protection through antibodies. But that allows you to get the, the cold, and then, then the cold realizes, oh, this guy's got these antibodies, we'll just work around that. And then people who had antibodies to the original wild virus, once they got vaccinated, they, they, this, this variant would see that they were, or would

• 1:43:00Joe Rogan?

  But it would have a different pathway because the their original immunity was to the wild virus, the original antibodies was to the first virus that doesn't even exist anymore. So your body didn't recognize these new variants. So people get COVID even more easily. I know I butchered that if you're a virologist, but there's a guy named Geert van der Bosch. And he is a vaccine specialist. He's a virologist and one of his, he specializes in vaccines. And he was one of the early people saying this is madness. This goes against conventional thinking. You do not vaccinate during a pandemic.

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  Jesus. I tell you what, I've had COVID a bunch. Nothing was like the swine flu.

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you told me that. I remember in 2009, right?

• 1:43:48Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:43:49Joe Rogan?

  You got it bad.

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  I had, I thought I was gonna die. I've never been that sick in my life. Shallow breathing. I mean, it was, I had to fly to Mexico because I was doing a gig and I was like, I got on the plane. I always drank on planes, had two drinks and I was like, I was like, I'm at death's door. And I fucking, to this day, I've never been that sick in my life and I don't know how it didn't kill me.

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  You never drink when you're sick.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  Oh, no shit.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  It is the worst. It's so bad for your immune system to drink when you're sick because you just give your, your immune system this new thing to fight while it's already involved in a fight.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got on the plane with Leanne. We were flying to Mexico and I was like, I'm not that bad. I remember being cold. I remember it hit me like a ton of bricks that night. I was like, I'm getting fucking sick immediately. Like it was like bam.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Back then, you weren't even taking vitamins.

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  No, I wasn't doing anything.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the problem. And this is the other thing that the big problem that I had during the COVID thing is like, I knew people were getting over COVID. It wasn't killing everybody and they were making out like everybody was gonna get it, was gonna die. Everybody unvaccinated was gonna die. But I knew people that got it and weren't the healthiest people and they were fine. So I'm like, well, what the hell's going on? Like, what is it? And how come nobody's talking about vitamins? Nobody's talking about the impact that vitamins have on your immune system, which is well documented. And then if you brought it up, you're a conspiracy theorist. You're a crazy person.

• 1:45:13Speaker 01

  But everyone listened because you brought up, I'll never forget, the day you brought up vitamin D.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  And I went to Rite Aid that day to get vitamin D. And it was gone. I mean, the fuck, it was like it had been looted. There was no vitamin D to be found. And it was like, I think it was like D3 or something.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm. D3 and K2.

• 1:45:33Speaker 01

  And they were gone.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  With magnesium is the move. D3, K2, and magnesium all together.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  Do you know what's so funny? I have rosacea on my cheeks. Um, because I just got it. You get it when you're older sometimes. And the cure is ivermectin.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:45:51Speaker 01

  They were like, you should get on ivermectin. And I was like, I said, you mean horse tranquilizer?

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Horse paste.

• 1:45:56Speaker 01

  Horse paste?

• 1:45:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, horse dewormer.

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Like what CNN called it.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  But it's so great. It was the first thing. They're like, have you, have you ever heard of ivermectin? And I was like, I'm friends with Joe Rogan. Are you kidding me? Don't put me on CNN. They'll make me purple.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, the crazy thing about that CNN thing is I mentioned a bunch of other things that I took. All of them were very effective. There wasn't one thing that I mentioned. I mentioned IV vitamins. I mean, and I, I took IV NAD, IV vitamins, and then the big one was monoclonal antibodies. And monoclonal antibodies, they made it really hard for people to get after that. Because people were just saying, oh, I just need to get monoclonal antibodies and I'm better. Bro, I shipped monoclonal. There was, we were using a telemedicine nurse. And there was a part of a, um, like a nationwide service that you could send people, a nurse, and they would go deliver monoclonal antibodies and IV vitamins.

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  And the monoclonal, the IV vitamins thing, it always existed, but the monoclonal antibodies, they added to it once COVID came. And I can't tell you how many people that I sent nurses to, people that I didn't even know. People that were friends of friends, my mom's friend, and I'd say, give me the address, tell me who they are, and I'll send it to them. And I paid for all of it. And I did it to like at least a hundred people. No bullshit.

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  At least a hundred people. Yeah, actors who were like, like super liberal. I didn't out any of them. They would send me a DM, hey, man, I got COVID. What should I do? And I said, where are you? Tell me where you, where you live. I'm gonna have someone sent to you. And I'd, I'd just send someone to them. And then they'd come back and thank me. Very few of them. Ever thank me publicly, but a lot of them got the service. And a lot of people that weren't famous people, just like my friend's mom, or my mom, or my uncle, or my cousin. Someone got COVID, they're doing really bad. I'm like, tell me where they are. And, and I did it, I'm, I'm not lying. I did it to like a hundred people. I spent a lot of money doing.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  How much does, how much would something like that cost?

• 1:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Thousands of dollars.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  For real?

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did it for people I didn't know. I did it for people I had never met. I did it for people that were famous that I never met. I just, I just said it was easier to me for just to send them to them.

• 1:48:07Speaker 01

  Leanne was the first person to get COVID in our house. And I had a joke, I used to have a joke about it. She had COVID and she gave me a handjob and I didn't get it. I was like, that's how intimate our handjobs are.

• 1:48:18Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  And she got it. And I remember doing, I remember I called you and you were like, get her the NAD, that you gave me the whole fucking list. And we got it, she got over it right away. We ended up, right away. And we're like, cool, we can go skiing.

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:48:32Speaker 01

  And then we all got it.

• 1:48:33Joe Rogan?

  You're not ready yet.

• 1:48:35Speaker 01

  Georgia, Georgia gave it to me and she goes, she, I remember we were at the, Georgia gave it to me and I remember we were sitting at the dinner table that night at our ski place. And she was like, started crying. I go, baby, don't cry. It's fine. Listen, it's totally fine. She was like, you're high risk.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  You gotta think of it as like, it's over, the bad part's over, but now your body's in recovery. So you can't go skiing or do anything crazy.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  I went skiing, I went skiing the first day with COVID, thinking, you know, it's just me, the mountain was empty. I was like, it's just me. I don't really have it. I'm fine. I tested negative. I remember I tested negative and I was like, I'm just hungover from last night. And when I got down, I tested again and I tested positive. And I already had my tour bus come and grab Georgia and Leanne and drive them back to LA. So it's me and Isla. And Isla was like.

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  I only got it because I stayed up late one night drinking and playing pool till like five o'clock in the morning with my friend John Showman.

• 1:49:31Speaker 01

  I remember you tell, I remember you telling me that. You're like, it's more, you said you were more rundown. That's why you got it.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  I was exhausted. Cause my friend John, he, John Showman, shout out to John. He's a, he makes pool cues, like awesome pool cues. And he lives in Florida. And I, you know, talked to him back and forth online, but I never hung out with him. And then I made an appointment to meet him at a pool hall. And we met at this pool hall and we played pool till like five o'clock in the morning, laughing, having a good time. And then um I got back to hotel, I was like really tired. I was like, boy, I fucked up. I went so hard, like we were out and I had a bunch of margaritas. And it was late, you know, it was late at night. And then in the morning, I just felt like shit. I took a hot bath, I felt like shit. I had a gig that night. I did a gig that night, I did an arena with Tony Hinchcliffe and Lar Bites. We did an arena in Florida and then I flew back home.

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  And on the way home, I was cold. I was like, God, why am I so cold? Is this airplane cold? And then I, when I got home, I told my wife, I'm like, I'm not feeling good. I go, I might have COVID, maybe you should sleep in another room. Cause she had gotten COVID and gotten over it, which by the way, when she had it, I fucked her. I didn't, I didn't even think about, I was like, I'm trying to get it. I never got it. My whole family got it. But like, I'm always been the one who's like, always, always cold plunging, always sauna, always vitamins, always working out. She works out too, but it's like, she got it, you know, and my kids got it. And I was home, I hugged them like daddy, you're gonna get him like, I'm kidding shit. I never got it. Yeah. I had two days when I worked out where I didn't feel that good. So when I worked out, I just took it light. I just, just went through the routine like nice and easy, not pushing myself.

• 1:51:04Joe Rogan?

  And then the next day, still don't feel that good, nice and easy, don't, and then the third day, I'm like, I feel pretty fucking good. And I went pretty hard and like, feel great. And it was done. I never got COVID. And then that one time I got it. And then I didn't get it that bad. The one day I felt like shit. I got all the meds and then, you know, a couple of days later, I made that video. And I put that video up, but that was honest. It was like, I got COVID, I got all this medicine, I feel better now. They didn't like the idea that this healthy person was saying you, you could get over this. And also a healthy person that's in their fifties was saying, you can get over this and you don't need this radical experimental medicine that they're trying to push on people.

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  And so that, that's just another example of the mainstream media that's not there for the news. Because if they really were there to inform people, they would say, well, what did he do? What, what, what's different about him? Because they're fucking compromised. They're all compromised by the people that pay their advertising budget. The, the amount of money that pharmaceutical drug companies. On mainstream media is fucking preposterous and they don't do it because they're trying to convince people to sell drugs. They do it specifically because they don't want those media organizations to criticize any vaccines. Or any pharmaceutical drugs. You never hear them talking about, there's no mainstream big media stories about side effects of some sort of new medication.

• 1:52:27Joe Rogan?

  And if there is, it's because that company is probably about to go under and a new company is asking them to talk about it.

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  It makes me, I, I mean, I've, I've always said and people think I'm a fucking idiot, but I don't trust sleep apnea machines.

• 1:52:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, sleep apnea machines work.

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  I know, but I think they over diagnose sleep apnea machines because there's a kickback. There's gotta be a kickback.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, there probably is. There's a, you know, look, sleep apnea is a real thing and it's really fucking dangerous.

• 1:52:53Speaker 01

  But is it, is it as me, I mean.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  People die.

• 1:52:56Speaker 01

  Everyone's got it.

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, not everyone has it. A lot of people snore, but there's ways around. There's mouthpieces you can use to keep your tongue from closing your windpipe. You know what I do? I put a mouthpiece, I put a mouthpiece in and then I use mouth tape. I've been using mouth tape. You know, like, you know, or hostage tape?

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I use that stuff. I put it over my mouth and I sleep and I breathe through my nose. And I feel so much better when I wake up. I mean significantly better with less sleep. Like if I have five hour sleep with hostage tape, I feel better than if I have eight hour sleep without it.

• 1:53:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:53:28Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:53:30Speaker 01

  See, I.

• 1:53:30Joe Rogan?

  You feel different. I don't know why. I'm sure, okay, let's find out. What is the science behind breathing through your nose while you sleep? Why, why is it better? Like, what is the science behind it? I don't know what the science is, but I know that a bunch of health experts, they, they recommended it to me. It's like, Tape my mouth shut? That sounds so stupid.

• 1:53:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  I did it and then the first night I did it, I woke up and I'm like, whoa, I feel great. Like I feel significantly better and now I do it every night. So I put a mouthpiece in and then I put the hostage tape over my mouth.

• 1:54:03Speaker 01

  So the mouthpiece just holds your tongue in place?

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Cause I have a big tongue. I have a big tongue and I have a big neck. The problem is when you have big neck muscles, all like football players, a lot of them, most of them have sleep apnea. Cause all those, those muscles, they constrict the wall, the walls of your, your throat. So like there's all this tissue that didn't exist before and then you have this fat tongue. So I can't sleep on my back. If I sleep on my back, it's like.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  That's me.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Okay. Breathing through the nose during sleep offers key health advantages over mouth breathing. It filters and conditions air for better lung efficiency and promotes deeper rest. Nasal passages filter dust, allergens, and pollutants while warming and humidifying air, protecting the airwaves from irritation. Uh, this reduces dryness in the mouth and throat, common with mouth breathing.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  I got that. I wake up, my mouth's so dry, my, my tongue's like a finger.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  Reduce snoring and sleep apnea risk. Nose breathing keeps the tongue positioned correctly against the palate and jaw forward, maintaining an open airway to minimize snoring and sleep apnea episodes. Mouth breathing allows the tongue to fall back, obstructing airflow, which definitely happens to me. Improved oxyta- oxinajation, Jesus. Ox- oxygenation and relaxation. It boosts nitric oxide production for better oxygen uptake and blood flow, supporting deeper sleep cycles and parasympathetic nervous system activation for relaxation. This leads to fewer awakenings and higher sleep quality. Look, for me, I know for a fact, it, it, it helps, for a fact.

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  For my, my personal feeling, when I wake up in the morning and I tape my mouth shut, I feel way better.

• 1:55:41Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like way better.

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  I snore like crazy, but I, I don't, I don't notice it.

• 1:55:44Joe Rogan?

  The only problem is you have a beard. So the tape, like, will slip off with a beard, you know?

• 1:55:50Speaker 01

  Maybe I'll just get denture cream and put it on my lips.

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  Uh.

• 1:55:53Speaker 01

  You ever do that? We used to do that, people, when they were sleeping.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Squeeze your lips together? Without, how do you open them then?

• 1:55:59Speaker 01

  Oh, you can't.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  When people would pass out in our charity house, we'd put denture cream on their lips.

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:56:04Speaker 01

  And then they'd wake up like, mm, mm, mm. It's fucking terrifying.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  That's terrible. Don't do that.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  So wait, I'm, I'm still kinda stuck, I'm, I'm still stuck on this concept that

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  with corporate money, we lose not as much freedom of speech or freedom of opinion.

• 1:56:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, you lose objective reality from people that are supposed to be giving you information. Right? So they're not giving you reality. What they're giving you is a filtered narrative that has been promoted by major corporations that have a vested interest in profiting off of this narrative being pushed forward, like- If you don't get the vaccine, you're gonna die, right? Yeah. That was a big one. And that was why they attacked me. Why they attacked me was because like I showed that there's something different. Like, oh, look at this healthy guy who's in his 50s, that's really obsessed with health, works out every day. And look how quick he got over COVID. This isn't this thing that we're pretending it is. We're pretending it's a plague. It's not. It's like a bad flu.

• 1:57:03Joe Rogan?

  And again, for me, it was like, and look, I've done this for, like I said, I did it for a lot of people, but just IV vitamins. I've, I've sent people to be, I did it for Bill Burr. Bill Burr was here and he was sick and he was coughing. And this is like, long after the pandemic, it's like 2024. And he was doing a show and I came to visit him. He's like, I can't get over this cold. I go, listen to me. I go, I'm gonna give you this number, I'm gonna give you these people, you're gonna get a hold of them and schedule an IV mega dose vitamin drip. You want high doses of vitamin B, you want high doses doses of D, you want high doses of C and zinc. You want all those things together and I guarantee you, you're gonna be fine. So he was sick for weeks. He couldn't get over this fucking cough. He calls me like a day later.

• 1:57:47Joe Rogan?

  He goes, dude, I can't fucking believe how good I feel. He goes, Dr. Joe Rogan, I'm calling you every time I have a problem with this again. And look, I did the same thing for Dana White. When Dana White had COVID, he threw some eucalyptus on the rocks in the sauna and he couldn't smell it. And he goes, oh my God, I got COVID. He goes, the first thing I did is call Joe Rogan. He called me up and I said, I'll set you up. We're gonna get you monoclonal antibodies, we're gonna get you this, we're gonna get you that. Boom. One day later, he's better. That's the reality. It's like your body needs tools to let your immune system function at its, at its optimum. And the, one of the best tools is nutrients. Vitamin D is amazing for your immune system. And it's not just a vitamin, it's a hormone.

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  And it's a hormone that we don't get because we're not in the sun enough. That's where, the best way to get vitamin D is sunlight. The second best way is supplementation. And it's really easy. He just takes vitamin D supplements, take it with K2, which makes it absorb better. And I take it also again with magnesium. And do that. And I also took zinc with, um, uh, what is this stuff called? Uh, it's an ionophore, um, corsetin. So I take zinc with corsetin, corsetin aids in the zinc absorption in your body. I, I take all these different things, but I also, I'm like, I'm on the ball. I know what I'm doing.

• 1:59:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  But they didn't say that. They said, he's taking horse dewormer. Because they were trying to shame me and they were trying to make it look like I was a fool. And they were trying to turn all these people that were terrified about dying from this plague against me.

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  Is that what's happening? I mean, I'm a little obsessed lately, you know, at like, the, the money behind podcasting and podcasting kind of changing, you know? Like podcasting has gotten a little more corporate where the, where I feel. I don't know if you see it.

• 1:59:38Joe Rogan?

  In what way?

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, uh, I mean, I looked at the Golden Globes and who was nominated and those were all, I mean, I think they're all, you know, corporate, corporate podcasts.

• 1:59:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let me, let me help with that. Um, so here's the thing. A lot of people say, why wasn't Joe Rogan nominated for the Golden Globes? And like, why did, you know, Amy Poehler win? I didn't submit.

• 1:59:59Joe Rogan?

  So they asked me to submit to be nominated for the Golden Globes and you had to pay $500. And the $500 is like for paperwork or whatever. I said, no. I go, I don't care. I already won. Like you can't tell me I didn't win. I've been number one for six years in a row. All of a sudden you're going to have a contest in front of all these people wearing tuxedos and you're going to say now I'm not number one? Like fuck off.

• 2:00:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:22Joe Rogan?

  You can't, like, I don't care that I'm number one, but I am in fact, number one. So if all of a sudden you have a contest to decide who's really number one amongst us. Like that's amongst you. You're allowed to have your opinion. You like Amy Poehler better than me? That's great.

• 2:00:37Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so fucking funny, Joe. Do you know how many people have been, like ride or die for you? Like the fact that Joe Rogan didn't win, the fact that, and I've heard that so much, that it's so funny you just didn't submit.

• 2:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they asked me to. Yeah, I was like one of like six candidates. They took the top people. They basically just took the top people to charts, but which, you know, it's fine.

• 2:01:03Speaker 01

  First of all, Amy Poehler's podcast is pretty good.

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  I haven't seen it.

• 2:01:05Speaker 01

  It's pretty good.

• 2:01:06Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it's good. It won. I'm sure someone must love it. If it sucked, they would give it to someone else, right?

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  Dax is really good. Like, there's some great podcasts out there.

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't know who was even nominated. I don't even know who was in. I just know that Amy Poehler won and a lot of people were upset.

• 2:01:19Speaker 01

  She's had a podcast for six months and she won? Great, you gave it to a famous person?

• 2:01:23Joe Rogan?

  Which, you know, in that world, that's what they do. They give it to a person that like is gonna... Look, you give it to Amy Poehler amongst their circles, it's not gonna have any criticism. Look, there's a lot of really good fucking podcasts.

• 2:01:36Speaker 01

  There's some great ones.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if amongst her group, if I listen to all of them, I would decide that hers is number one. But I just know that I didn't submit. I don't wanna be a part of that. I don't care. You're just a group of people that just decide all of a sudden that you're gonna give an award out? You got a trophy? Fuck off!

• 2:01:54Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:01:56Speaker 01

  This, okay. Like, so when we did the show and everyone's like, "Are you looking for a season two?" And obviously that'd be great, but you know what I said to LeAnn the day after it came out? I said, "I think I already won. I think I, like, I got everything I wanted. I did something I'm proud of." And people responding to it, people like, the texts I get are people that will never promote it on their social media.

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Ron White loves it.

• 2:02:19Speaker 01

  Ron.

• 2:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Loved it.

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  When Ron came in last night, and the first thing he said to me was, "I watched your show. I watched every fucking episode."

• 2:02:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he binged it. He binged it with his girlfriend.

• 2:02:30Speaker 01

  I was like, Joe, you know how I feel about Ron. I'll get emotional. He's like my guy.

• 2:02:34Joe Rogan?

  And Ron's not a bullshit artist.

• 2:02:35Speaker 01

  He's not.

• 2:02:35Joe Rogan?

  If Ron loved it, he loved it. And he came in and he was ranting and raving about it. That's all you need. Just do your best. All these awards and all this shit. Awards for art are crazy.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  It's insane because it's not, it shouldn't be a competition.

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also so subjective. There is music that like my daughter loves. It is her favorite music. But she's a 15-year-old girl.

• 2:02:59Joe Rogan?

  I can't say it sucks, because it doesn't suck. It's just not for me.

• 2:03:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:04Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's like, that's why awards for art are crazy. Like, this is the best. Like, to who? To a group of fucking people that we deem the gatekeepers of all that's appropriate?

• 2:03:17Speaker 01

  So, when did you come, because, you know, I'm always fascinated by you. Did you care about ratings when you were on News Radio?

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. Well, the News Radio thing was hilarious.

• 2:03:28Speaker 01

  Because that's one that I can say, for people that haven't watched it, I would say, binge that show. It was such an amazing piece of art, we would say. But always, and respectfully, always in the losing category. Like, never.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 2:03:42Speaker 01

  Always in the losing category.

• 2:03:44Joe Rogan?

  My friend Lou, he was one of the writers on News Radio, and he would show up for the table read with a T-shirt that had the number of our rating on it. And one day he showed up and the number was 88. And I was like, 88? He's like, I'm like, fuck. I was like, god, because we got moved nine times over the course of five years. Like, I remember, like, one of the things that, just like social media poisons people, back then, it was Variety and The Hollywood Reporter. So, all of the cast would be sitting around, reading Variety about how good Sex and the City was doing and The Single Guy. And, you know, because they would, they would sandwich them in between Friends and Seinfeld. And, you know, Paul Sims, the producer of News Radio, would call it a shit sandwich.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  Because you would have these two really good shows, in between these shows that were not that good. They would call it Caroline and the Shitty, and, like, everybody was upset. And so, they would read these, these things in Variety. They'd look at the ratings and they'd get all upset and start getting pissed off. And that show sucks. Why is that show doing so well? Why aren't we on Thursday night? And I remember saying, oh, last time I checked, I'm on TV. I go, do you know, we're on a TV show. Do you know how few people get to be on a sitcom? I go, yeah, we're not number one. Well, good. Then no one knows who we are and we get to be on TV. And we get to have fun and some people enjoy it. We're making so much money. Like, how can you be upset? We could not be on TV. Like, yeah, we're not number one. Yeah, we have a really good show that's not being recognized.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  It eventually was recognized when it went to syndication. So news radio really only got popular in syndication.

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  Oh, when it was on Annie, Buddy, I don't think I've ever enjoyed a TV show. Out of every TV show I've ever watched. And I was late to Friends. Look, it was, it was no Game of Thrones, but, or, or even Queen of Dragons, whatever the fuck the other one, House of Dragons.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:34Speaker 01

  That's a pretty good show, too. But when I discovered news radio, I was like, you guys had every character. Like, it was not just one character. It was five different.

• 2:05:48Joe Rogan?

  Are we back? Yeah. We're back. Okay. We've been, we've been having this problem where we crash like a couple hours into a podcast.

• 2:05:54Speaker 01

  But it was such, you, it was, it was five personalities, six personalities, all working in, in, in union. Different, at different speeds.

• 2:06:05Joe Rogan?

  It was really good writing.

• 2:06:06Speaker 01

  It was such a fucking great show.

• 2:06:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, Paul Sims came from The Larry Sanders Show, so he was really good, you know, and he was just a brilliant guy. And the writers were amazing and the cast was amazing. But it was the perfect scenario. So we went through it without everyone getting famous. We put together a great show and then we fucking sailed off into the sunset. It was perfect for me because I never wanted to do it again once it was over.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  For real?

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I didn't, I mean, I took a few development deals afterwards just because I wanted the money. And I thought, maybe I'll make my own show and it'll be good, but, ugh, working with these writers and like so many of these, so many of these writing teams. It was really interesting. Writing teams are generally one brilliant guy and then the other guy who writes things down. And then they both get deals. And then IU would wind up with the guy who wrote things down. So I got one of these writers who was a writing team on Seinfeld and the team broke up and then I got this guy and he wrote this fucking script that was so bad. It was so bad. I couldn't believe how bad it was. I was like, and then they were trying to pretend they're excited about it. I go, did you read it? I go, this is fucking terrible because the problem was I'd come from news radio, which was a really good show.

• 2:07:12Joe Rogan?

  And most of these shows are terrible. And most of the guys that I knew that were doing terrible sitcoms were living in hell. Because they were doing these like corny ass, and all they wanted to do is like, figure out a way to make themselves feel better. They say spend money or they party. And that's what they were doing. They were all just partying and spending money and not enjoying their work. Their work was terrible. It was hell. So I kind of realized early on that this trap of like chasing the number one ratings and all that shit, it was just stupid. It was just nonsense. And then, you know, Fear Factor was number one for a while. I think, I think it was. It was hugely popular, whatever it was. And that was weird too.

• 2:07:52Joe Rogan?

  It was like, well, that's, that's also strange. Now people want to talk about it and everybody, it was just like this thing that was everywhere. It was very strange.

• 2:08:00Speaker 01

  This is how you can tell a big a show is. Tell me if I'm wrong. I can remember what night it aired. On Monday nights?

• 2:08:06Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Fear Factor?

• 2:08:07Speaker 01

  Was it Monday nights?

• 2:08:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember. I think it was Monday. I don't remember.

• 2:08:11Speaker 01

  I remember The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air was Monday nights. I remember Seinfeld was Thursdays, right?

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  That's the thing about, about, uh, TV now, which is so bizarre is like, when, when I pitched this show, have you seen Slow Horses?

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I love it. I love it.

• 2:08:31Speaker 01

  When I went to Netflix, they were like, we want to do a show with you. I was like, great. And they're like, what's the show? I says, it's my family. It's I'm Bert Kreischer, Georgia and Isla, LeAnn, I'm a comedian, I'm me. I'm, everything's the same. Nothing changes. I don't have a job. I'm this guy. And they're like, okay. I go, but it's, uh, Meet Slow Horses. And they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? I said, all I can tell you is, I don't want to do episodic. I want slow horses. I said, when I watched Slow Horse, and this is why Ron's compliment was so kind. Cause I created the show so that me, Jared and Andy, I should include them.

• 2:09:03Joe Rogan?

  Explain Slow Horses.

• 2:09:04Speaker 01

  Slow Horses is Gary Oldman. It is a spy thriller. They're a group of, of like, low-grade spies that all kinda got put into an office off to the side and, but they don't realize how important their office still is. They're still very ingrained in all the shit that the big office is doing, but they're the B-team. And so, the big office is constantly fucking with the little office.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  So, how is your show like Slow Horses?

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  The day I watched Slow Horse, I'd watched Slow Horses the week before I went in for this meeting. And I watched the, the first episode of Slow Horses. And at the very end of that first episode, I hit pause. I looked at Leanne, I said, we're watching every fucking episode until it's over. Right now, we're not moving, we're gonna watch all of them. And I did that with that and Black Doves. And I said to Netflix, I said, I want to make this where that first episode, it's not episodic. The Chrysler's get a horse, the Chrysler's get a dog.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  It all goes together.

• 2:09:53Speaker 01

  I go, the first episode, at that last line I say, the very last line of that first episode, I want you to look at the person you're with and go, I'm watching all fucking six. And, uh, and so it's an arc, it's a six-story arc. It's basically a two-hour and thirty-minute movie that you can stop at any point. And, and the compliment I've been getting is the one Ron gave me, is like, I binged it, I watched all of it.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  That's great. That's a smart move for a comedy, to do it like that, like it's one big story.

• 2:10:21Speaker 01

  And that last, that, that.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Black Doves is great, too.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Black Doves?

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Great, fuck it.

• 2:10:25Speaker 01

  Black Doves, Black Doves, when we, when we did the premiere in, in LA, Netflix came up to me, and shout out to Netflix, and they were like, you know, when you pitched this, we had no idea what you were fucking selling us. Like, when you said Black Doves and, and Slow Horses, like, that those were your comps? And then they were like, we watched that first episode, and they're like, you fucking did it. Like, you made a show where at that very end of that first episode, at that moment, and the very beginning of the second episode, I have a joke about you, but I thought I'd throw one in. You gave me a little love in your special, I give you a little love back. And so, at the very end of that first episode, I wanted it so that you go, oh, this guy's fucked. I gotta see how he gets out of this. And, uh, and that's the, the compliment I've been getting from people is that they watched all of them.

• 2:11:10Speaker 01

  They binged it. And that's like, I was like, cause you know, you try to do something a little different? And, uh, And that's why when you said that, you didn't submit. I fucking connected so hard, so I was like, I, I didn't, I don't need it to be, it's not gonna be the number one show on Netflix. It's never gonna be the greatest show they ever made. There's too many good shows. But the fact that people have liked it, I go, I think I won. I think I got the thing I wanted.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  Was just like, I gotta, I gotta text, I gotta, I'm gonna share this, and I apologize, Luke, if this sounds weird. Luke Combs texted me last night. Now, he's not like a, he's, you know, he's not a social media guy. He just texted me, he's like, dude, I just watched your entire show. Luke Combs. And I'm like-

• 2:11:52Joe Rogan?

  He's cool as fuck.

• 2:11:53Speaker 01

  He's cool-

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  I've hung out with that dude a few times.

• 2:11:55Speaker 01

  As fuck. And he's understated. He's the guy, he's fascinating to me because he's the guy, we just did a podcast, he's the guy that, he goes into the room and he's not gonna talk to anyone because he doesn't wanna bother you. He's one of the biggest stars in country music. He's one of the most talented guys-

• 2:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Very humble.

• 2:12:09Speaker 01

  And he's very humble, and he's like, I did the CMAs and I saw him, and he just, he stays to himself. He doesn't, and I was like, wow, what a slick dude. And he's like, no, I'm not trying to be slick, I just don't wanna bother anybody.

• 2:12:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:20Speaker 01

  And so, when Luke Combs texted me last night, I fucking, I texted Leanne, I was like, can you belie-, like, that's not the guy you think-

• 2:12:28Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's a, it's a real compliment, not from like a cheesy ass kisser, a real dude.

• 2:12:34Speaker 01

  He really, you know, he's not lying.

• 2:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. He really liked it.

• 2:12:37Speaker 01

  The first person to text was Chris DiStefano, and that's a real one. He's like, dude, you're, you're a good actor. This is a great series. That was the very first text I got. And I was like, comics don't have to text. They don't. We don't. Like, like, I texted Shane when I saw Tires, because it's fucking, it was a game changer. I was like, this is fucking incredible, whatever. But when a comic texts you, you're like, that's, okay. Like, I didn't, I didn't expect you to watch it. But Luke Combs fucking floored me. Luke Combs, and Bradley Cooper was another one.

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• 2:15:16Joe Rogan?

  This offer is for new customers only. That's awesome. Just do something that you enjoy and do your best at it. This idea of awards. Yeah. Like, fuck off. Fuck off with your awards. Like, that, it's like, there's so many moments in, in history have been defined by these, like, goofy-ass awards. Yeah. Like, what? What is that?

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  The only thing is good is it like if something wins an Academy Award for Best Movie, I go, ooh, maybe I'll see it. Like occasionally, but you know what's better than that? One of my friends saying it's great.

• 2:15:47Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  And or someone posting it on social media, like, oh, this fuck, someone that I respect. On social media, posting it and saying, hey, you need to watch this, this is amazing.

• 2:15:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you ever see the movie American Movie?

• 2:15:58Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 2:15:59Speaker 01

  It's about the two guys in Wisconsin trying to make a horror film called Kovan.

• 2:16:04Joe Rogan?

  God, I think I did. Is it a long time ago?

• 2:16:06Speaker 01

  Long time ago, documentary, and there one guy's done way too much acid.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:10Speaker 01

  And it's just, it's like one of those movies where someone says to you, you have to see this.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  And it's never gonna win an award, probably made no money. But it is the most fascinating. Okay, Jamie, can you pull the trailer up for that? If you, if you see this, you'll go, I saw it.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  It's the American movie, Mike, oh, what was the other guys? Oh, this is so good, Joe.

• 2:16:32Speaker 03

  Imagine a world where passion and perseverance outweigh polish and dreams are both the driving force and the destination. What if I told you this world exists, not in some far-flung fantasy, but here in the heartland of America? This world is seen through the lens of an unsung documentary where we meet Mark Boshard.

• 2:16:52Speaker 01

  This is the trailer.

• 2:16:53Speaker 03

  From Wisconsin.

• 2:16:55Speaker 01

  This is, it's.

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  I didn't, no, I didn't see this.

• 2:16:58Speaker 01

  Joe, this movie is.

• 2:17:01Joe Rogan?

  I did, I don't know.

• 2:17:02Speaker 01

  Is so good, but it's one of those things that it's like when you find something that you just fall in love with, like.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  Like, uh, that, that you can't explain to someone, like Vernon, Florida, have you ever seen Vernon, Florida?

• 2:17:14Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:17:14Speaker 01

  It's a documentary by Werner Herzog about, it was trying to, him and another guy, another guy did it. He was trying to do a documentary called Nub City, right? It's about this place in Florida where a lot of people had lost limbs and were collecting insurance money. And he went in to do a documentary about that. And he got his life threatened. But he had all this footage. So I think Werner Herzog came in and dumped a little money in it and he just made the bizarrest documentary about a guy talking about turkey hunting and another guy talking about, like it's like four different personalities, Joe. It's on YouTube, you can find it.

• 2:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Werner Herzog does some amazing shit.

• 2:17:52Speaker 01

  Amazing shit. This thing, Joe, is like something you start watching and you go like, I can't turn it off.

• 2:17:58Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he did Grizzly Man. He did, uh, fucking, what is that other one? Um, the one about the cave paintings in France. He did.

• 2:18:09Speaker 04

  It says it was made by Errol Morris.

• 2:18:10Speaker 01

  Errol Morris.

• 2:18:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wasn't Werner Herzog?

• 2:18:12Speaker 01

  No, no, he, Errol.

• 2:18:13Speaker 04

  I was trying to highlight on there, it says it's an Errol Morris film.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's not Werner Herzog?

• 2:18:16Speaker 01

  No, Werner Herzog backed it. He was the one that paid for it.

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  I see, I see.

• 2:18:20Speaker 01

  He produced it.

• 2:18:21Joe Rogan?

  He was also, Werner Herzog was a part of that movie Happy People. You ever see that?

• 2:18:26Speaker 01

  No, I saw it.

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, it's about these people that live in Siberia. These, these guys that live in a small village in Siberia and they're just fishermen and trappers and hunters. And they, they basically just live off the land and, and they're so happy. There's like no mental illness. Everybody works really hard, it's freezing cold at night, they're always drinking and everyone's happy. Like, and it's called Happy People, Life in the Taiga. It's a great documentary. Cause it just shows you that like, without struggle, you will create struggle. And when you have struggle all the time, like physical struggle, people seem to be satisfied and happy. Especially when they're living off the land, living like a subsistence lifestyle, they're out in the forest, they're catching fish and it's, it's a great documentary. It's really interesting.

• 2:19:12Speaker 01

  Did you feel it? Cause I remember we went to a birthday party at your house and your wife introduced my girls and Leander Chickens. And Leanne and the girls immediately got chickens.

• 2:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Chickens are awesome.

• 2:19:23Speaker 01

  The happiest my family was, out of all the times we've been happy, was when they were, they had a garden and they were raising chickens.

• 2:19:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's good for you, man.

• 2:19:30Speaker 01

  And then that, that like extra, like, did you guys clean out the chicken coop? You need to clean, like, that little.

• 2:19:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, work.

• 2:19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Work's good for you. Yeah, especially work that pays off, like, you actually get eggs and you get to eat those eggs.

• 2:19:42Speaker 01

  Those eggs.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  And that, that's like the most karma-free food that you'll ever get, because they're your pets. Like, you treat them well, you feed them, you're like, hey, girls, I see them, I talk to them, they're I lift rocks for them, so they go onto the rocks and pick out bugs and worms and shit. And they, they come near you, they like waddle over to you and they, and you like, get, you ready? You ready? And pick up the rock and they immediately go in there and try to get the worms and bugs and shit. And then you get these delicious, healthy eggs.

• 2:20:08Speaker 01

  Best eggs I've ever had in my entire life.

• 2:20:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:10Speaker 01

  Yellow.

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:20:11Speaker 01

  Yellow, double, I remember getting.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  Orange.

• 2:20:14Speaker 01

  Do you remember, do you remember double yolks?

• 2:20:15Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. You get double yolks, yeah.

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  Fuck off.

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  But you're, you're, you know exactly how they're raised, there's no cruelty involved, you know how they're fed. They lay an egg every day, that egg is never gonna become a chicken, you never, like, that's what I tell to all my friends that are like vegetarians, that are doing it for, like, they, they're just kind people, they don't want an animal to die. I'm like, you don't have to kill an animal, just eat eggs. Eggs have all the nutrients you need. Eat the yolk, eat the whole thing, and you're, you'll be super healthy. Like, you can get all the animal protein that you need from eggs, and you don't ever have to worry about an animal dying.

• 2:20:49Speaker 01

  So wait, do you think then, when you talk about, what was that, Happy City, is it called?

• 2:20:52Joe Rogan?

  Happy People.

• 2:20:52Speaker 01

  Happy People? Do you think your connection then to crushing it in the gym and killing it in the gym is directly connected to that struggle? Drive, because like, the happiest I ever am is the second my workout's done.

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:05Speaker 01

  When I lay back and I just sweat.

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you did it.

• 2:21:08Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:21:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you did it. Your body needs, I think, in order for your body to survive, like, when we were hunter-gatherers, you had to do a bunch of work. So I think there's human reward systems that are built in us, that if you don't meet those requirements, your body gets anxious. And the most anxiety-ridden, fucked up, mentally ill people I know are these lazy slobs that are online all day complaining about people.

• 2:21:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:36Joe Rogan?

  Especially comics. I know so many comics that they spend. A giant chunk of their day shitting on other comics and they're all fat and lazy. And what is that? Well, it's because they're not healthy. They're not mentally healthy, physically healthy.

• 2:21:48Speaker 01

  Pass me the letter.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  And so they're completely obsessed with other things, external things. You know, when we did that Sober October Challenge, Tommy said it best, cause he was like, dude, when you work out, when we're all competing against each other to see who get the highest fitness scores. Tommy said it best, like, when you work out all day, it kills all that internal chatter. Like, you don't worry about things anymore. Oh, that what about this? What about that? That what about this? What about that shit is your mind thinking there's threats out there in the world. Because there used to be. Cause you're programmed to think about, like, what's out there? What's coming for me? Where the, is there a neighboring tribe that's coming over the top of the hill? Where am I gonna get my food? There's, all that stuff's built in as a human reward system.

• 2:22:32Joe Rogan?

  If you don't meet that human reward system, you're just doom scrolling on TikTok and Twitter all day. And shitting on people like, fuck Whitney Cummings and Miss Rachel.

• 2:22:44Joe Rogan?

  They're just mentally ill slobs, all of them, and their opinion should be dismissed. That's why the idea of awards is so ridic- who are these people that are giving you awards? They're all unhealthy people for the most part. They're all weirdos that are caught up in this fucking bizarre, strange industry that rewards group think. Like, fuck off.

• 2:23:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's probably the, probably the happiest my mind was, when we had the, the year we had the straps. Remember we had that?

• 2:23:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:23:16Speaker 01

  And we were a member of that Kansas City Workout Club or something?

• 2:23:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we had to be, yeah, the MyZone, the MyZone Fitness Straps, yeah.

• 2:23:24Speaker 01

  And I remember, I mean, I, you know, like, you have memories in your head where you, like, you drive by a place, and you go, God, I remember that. And it was one night, I said I was, I was gonna run a marathon. And you're like, I'll match it. I remember we were all texting. And I remember getting up at like, it was like, put the girls to bed, it's nine o'clock at night, and I go, I'm gonna run until midnight. And I had just this one fucking mile loop and I ran eight miles that night and I just kept running and I cannot run down fucking Colfax. I can't drive down Colfax without thinking of me just going, one more lap, just one more lap.

• 2:23:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:01Speaker 01

  Those, those were fucking.

• 2:24:03Joe Rogan?

  Wearing yourself out is good for your brain, man.

• 2:24:05Speaker 01

  It is really good for your brain.

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't think we should do that again because the problem with that is that lit up that weird part of my brain, that obsessive part of my brain. And my, my wife asked me never do that again. She's like,

• 2:24:18Joe Rogan?

  because I was like super serious. I got like really into it. And it, it just became an obsession.

• 2:24:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:24Joe Rogan?

  It's just, it's a, it's a dangerous part of my own brain that I can't entertain too much. Because I think that's the part of my brain that was formulated in my competition days. Where it was like, my thought was, you know, like I would go to the, because I had keys to the school. So I'd go and train at two o'clock in the morning because I knew nobody else was. I knew everybody else was asleep. So I'd go there, I'd drive there by myself and unlock the doors and start training at two o'clock in the morning because I knew everybody was asleep.

• 2:24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:53Joe Rogan?

  That, that made me feel better, like bitch, while you're sleeping, I'm in here, you know?

• 2:24:57Speaker 01

  Where did you put that competitiveness? Because I, I shelved my competitiveness. I don't have it in comedy. I, I have a competitiveness with the industry that I felt ignored me at times. Like I've, I want to prove things, like I did Fully Loaded because I never got on Oddball. And so I, I created that festival. I remember I was with, we were at, at the Forest Hills Arena or whatever, the outdoor stadium. Someone's like, wow, this is crazy. Can you believe you did this? And I went, yeah. And they're like, what made you want to do this? I go, because no one would ever invite me. And then they were like, wow, that was more of an answer than we expected. But like, and so there's a competitiveness with me.

• 2:25:36Speaker 01

  Internally, but I was very competitive as an athlete, like unhealthy and it was gross.

• 2:25:44Joe Rogan?

  How was it gross? Like what sports?

• 2:25:46Speaker 01

  Uh, basically, uh, anything, anything I did, anything I did.

• 2:25:49Joe Rogan?

  That's Michael Jordan, right? When you're talking about Michael Jordan, he was the most healthy.

• 2:25:52Speaker 01

  Michael Jordan and Kelly Slater, the two ones, Tiger Woods, that I hear about and I identify with the way their brain works where I go, oh, I have that grossness. Where I create scenarios in my head to go, that's it, I'm gonna fuck in. I'd, I'd build up a rivalry with, I have a guy that I think about to this day, who played baseball at Tampa Catholic. His name was Israel and I had a competitive, the guy didn't even know who the fuck I am. He never knew me. He was a pitcher and I fuck in and I, and I apologize, Israel, if you're hearing this right now. We were 16 and I had a competitiveness in my head and my goal was to hit him, to hit a line drive right back and, and he was a pitcher. And he threw inside and I crushed one off his kneecap and they pulled him out of the game and I stood on first base and I was like, that's how it goes.

• 2:26:37Speaker 01

  Israel's 53 years old right now. It was my fucking drive.

• 2:26:41Joe Rogan?

  Hit him with a line drive? That's crazy.

• 2:26:43Speaker 01

  Competitive and so, I, and I, and when I got into stand-up, I, maybe because I just, I saw that so many people were so far beyond me that I was like, well, I, I'm not playing their game, I guess, so I'm not, I never had a competitiveness in stand-up.

• 2:27:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can't, but you can, listen, you could, there's a good place for competitiveness. I mean, I, I'm competitive, no doubt, but I don't think about it in terms of like art. I think my competition with either stand-up or with podcasting is to be the best I can be, to do the best job I can. Like if I have a guy on and he's, wants to talk about some science stuff or something like esoteric or weird, I have to read his book or listen to the audio book. I have to read articles, I have to get in, I have to do my best. This guy's gonna fly in here from Europe or whatever it is, I have to be ready and I have to be intrigued. And the only reason why I have on the podcast in the first place is because I'm interested in it, so.

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  My thing is just do the best that I can. And the way that I could do it the best I can is only talk to people that I want to talk to. Only reach out to people that I'm actually interested in. Only accept invitations to someone that ignites my curiosity. And just only do it that way. Never say, oh, this person would be great because they're famous. Like, this is one of the things you see about some of these podcasts that are doing well. All of their guests are famous, right? Which is like a built-in cheat code. Like, let's see what this guy. And I have famous people on all the time. If I think they're interesting, if I want to talk to them. John Mellencamp. But I pass on a lot of famous people. Because I'm not interested in them. Or because they were like really heavily pushing the vaccine during the pandemic. I'm like, fuck you forever. Fuck you.

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  There's a few people that have tried to get on. I'm like, no, I would have, before the pandemic, I would have been happy to have you on. But now I'm like, fuck you forever. You, who knows how many people you caused to have heart attacks? Who knows how many people you tricked into getting that and they had a stroke? Who knows? Who knows? And they didn't need it. Especially the people that already got COVID. You didn't know what you were talking about and you just bootlicked. You bootlicked for the fucking, for the man. Like, fuck you. Like, that's it. But other than that, everybody else, it's like, who is it? What do they want to talk about? So I just do my best. You know, I'm competitive when it comes to playing pool. But really, the pool, you're playing against yourself. You're playing another person and the other person is doing. But when you're playing, nobody can block you.

• 2:29:13Joe Rogan?

  Nobody gets in front of you. You're just trying to do your best. So it's all against you. All the competition is against you. Which is why I like to work out by myself. I'm playing against me. You know, it's me. It's like, it's whatever my inside little inner bitch is. I'm trying to squash that motherfucker down. Beat his ass again, and then he's back again tomorrow. Every time I lift the fucking lid on that cold punch, my inner bitch is like, don't do it. You don't have to do this. You could not do it and we'll be fine. The other day it was 22 degrees outside. And I had to break the ice off of the top of the thing because it was like covered in ice. I break the ice off because I could barely lift the lid off the fucking thing. So I had to knock.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Off all the ice and then pick it up and climb on in. I'm like, fuck you. And this is like, it's fuck you to the inner bitch.

• 2:30:01Speaker 01

  Dude, it's like when you said, like, I remember doing an interview with a guy and he was getting like, he's, I got a Netflix special coming out. I'm gonna go out on the road for the next couple of weeks. And I was like, couple of weeks.

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  Couple of weeks.

• 2:30:10Speaker 01

  Couple of weeks. I'm gone. I don't, I'm not home for one month. I'm the, one month out, I'm in my bus every night doing stand up. But 18 months out, I'm like

• 2:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Getting ready.

• 2:30:21Speaker 01

  Obsessive.

• 2:30:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:22Speaker 01

  Obsess, I've got, I'm not shooting my next one until 2027, and I'm obsessive today. Last night I was like, I tried all my new shit. I was like, I gotta find out if real people laugh at this. You know, like, I mean, my fans, my fans, I think my fans are, are willing to give me an inch, you know?

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, they also know you. They know your story. They know all the references. Yeah.

• 2:30:44Speaker 01

  But, but what's crazy to me is like, we were, me and you, not, I, I can't speak for the younger comics, but we were in a ye, a time at stand up when competitiveness was the norm.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  It was because of TV, though, dude. That was what it was. It was like, everybody thought they were competing for a very small amount of slots. And then what happened was the internet came along and we realized that, no, in fact, we're actually an asset to each other. Cause we do each other's podcast, we hang out with each other, which makes each other better. When we're all on a show together and you're killing and Tom's killing and Ari's killing, the more people are killing, the more we're gonna do better, because we're gonna get excited about it.

• 2:31:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  And we'll be inspired. And so we became valuable to each other instead of competitive against each other. And if there was any competition that you were having with your friends, it was actually healthy competition, because it just made you try harder. Like, if you saw, if Ari went up and did like, when Ari did his Jew special, which was fucking incredible, that special was so good, it made so many people get inspired to work on a theme and write, and like, really try to develop something. Like, look at what he did. He just like, put together this fucking incredible special. Like, it was really fucking good. And that kind of competition is healthy competition. It's inspirational. Instead of like saying, I hope that guy gets hit by a bus, fuck him. All these slobs that are on Twitter,

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  and they're talking shit about comedians and are angry about comedians, they have one thing in common. They're almost all failures. They're either failures or they're extremely mediocre.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  They're in the middle of like mediocrity. That no one's, no one's got them as their favorite comedian. No one's got them as their favorite podcaster. No one's got them as anything. They just don't do that well. So then what do they do? They're attacking people. So their competitiveness is a very unhealthy competitiveness.

• 2:32:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:33Joe Rogan?

  If their competitiveness was healthy, they would say, well, what is it about this person? Where she's getting all these comedy specials and she's in front of all these roasts? Why is Nikki Glaser doing so well and I'm not? Instead of hating on Nikki Glaser. You know, but that's not what like a narcissist does. What a not one word about me. How come I ain't getting there? And so she does talk about sucking cock. That fucking bitch. And then they get all fucking angry and they start talking shit about her. Meanwhile, she still kills it. She's still on the road. She's still selling out. She's still getting out there. Everybody screams and cheers.

• 2:33:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:03Joe Rogan?

  Why? Because she put in the work. And if you put in the work and if you looked at yourself and you objectively analyzed what you're doing and said, why is this going well? And why is this not going well? And worked harder, you would be where she is. But you're not. So what are you doing? You're on Twitter every day for 12 hours, like a fucking mental patient. Just shitting on people and getting in arguments and saying mean things. Like you're gonna just, it's crabs in a bucket. You're just trying to pull people down that are doing better than you. Where are you going? Get back down here. That's all it is.

• 2:33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:34Joe Rogan?

  It's unhealthy. That's why you can't read that stuff. Cause you're, you're, you absorb the atmosphere of the people that you surround yourself with. And like it or not, when you're interacting with people on social media, you are surrounding yourself with their thoughts.

• 2:33:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, and they're unhealthy people that you would never hang out with in real life. And if you did, if you said, well, why do you think that way? And then they would say something like, that doesn't make any sense. This is why that stuff doesn't make any sense. And they were, and then they would run away and go talk shit about you on social media because they're cowards.

• 2:34:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34:07Joe Rogan?

  So you can't live in a world of cowards and mental ill people. You can't. It's not good for you.

• 2:34:13Speaker 01

  It's, uh, when I started hanging out with the group I'm around now, right? I, I wanna say it was you, you were saying, surround yourself with good people. And I remember, I remember reading a quote that week and I, I've butchered it. But I said, if enough, you hang out with enough great white sharks, people think you're a great white shark. Like I just like, like, all they see is the fin.

• 2:34:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:36Speaker 01

  And it's like, if I hang out with the best fucking comics in the world, if I surround myself with the best comics in the world, I'm gonna have to get better.

• 2:34:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:34:43Speaker 01

  Like, I'm gonna get better. And I, and I remember, I can tell you, like, the first time I saw your Kim, or your, uh, your Caitlyn Jenner joke of the, of the gargoyles.

• 2:34:51Joe Rogan?

  The demon.

• 2:34:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you're on the stool, and you, and you got the stool and the gargoyle. I remember watching that, crying laughing, going, "I'm not using the stage at all. Like, I'm not using the stage." Like, god damn it. Or, I remember Burr doing an act out. And I never expected Burr to do an act out. He was talking to an immigrant kid he hired that lived in the bushes, or that he, he adopted. He goes, "Someone says they're not gonna live in the house? We're gonna keep in the bushes." He said, "Come on, man, there's a reason you need bushes." But he was doing an act out. And I remember going like, "God damn it, man. I don't ever do act outs." Like, I think I always surrounded myself around better comics to like, see what the, see what the meal was being made, and go like, "Well, shit, I'm just making french fries. You gonna turn that into a baked potato?"

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, we don't exist in a vacuum. This is one of the things that I always say about comics. You never find the best comic in the country, or one of the best comics in the country, by themselves in Birmingham, Alabama.

• 2:35:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:35:43Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't exist. They're always in either New York, LA, Austin, there's a few other places where you find out about someone really good. And they're always around other people that are really good. Because comedy is one of those things where you, you, you really only experience it live. Like, when you see someone in, doing a special, specials are great, but a special is like 60% of the real show. If you're there in the audience, you get 100% of the real show. You get hypnotized by, by the show, you get caught up in it. If the guys got it together, it's like, really well pieced and timed and edited. It's so much fun. But you, you gotta be there. And when you're at a club, like, and you see Gillis and Ron White, and like, we had the mothership,

• 2:36:28Joe Rogan?

  you have all these great comics, like, man, the atmosphere is just uplifting. Everybody's inspired and exciting. And for people that are listening, like, "Yeah, that's great for you guys, but you're fucking famous comedians, and duh, duh, duh, duh." You could do this with your friends. Whatever you're doing, I don't care what you're doing. Whatever you're doing, if you guys are all pickleball players, just work hard to be the best fucking pickleball player. Hang out with other pickleball players, talk about pickleball, get involved in it, push each other. Tell each other what you're doing that's making you better. Tell each other what are the different things you're doing? That's enhancing your recovery or whatever the fuck you're into. Find other people that are also into it. Surround yourself with people that have a similar thing and you all lift each other up.

• 2:37:11Speaker 01

  And it's, you need the other voices. Cause I think sometimes the best jokes you tell are like, like, uh, you don't realize you're telling a joke. You don't realize it's a bit and then someone goes, yo, man. Like, I remember we were doing a nude material night one night and I got off stage and you walked up to me, you go, did you really not know that Helen Keller and Anne Frank weren't the same person? And I was like, I used to think they were the same person.

• 2:37:33Joe Rogan?

  Did you, you know what I've been reading that Helen Keller was a fraud?

• 2:37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, hold on, let's start here, okay? So, okay. I heard Stevie Wonder could see.

• 2:37:45Speaker 01

  Okay? And there's footage of him doing seeing guy shit.

• 2:37:49Joe Rogan?

  Like what?

• 2:37:50Speaker 01

  Pull it up. There's like-

• 2:37:52Speaker 04

  All sorts of stuff and some very interesting stories people have told too.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 2:37:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:37:56Speaker 01

  Like, there's a video-

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that's a great secret to keep that secret for so long while you're still alive. Helen Keller's dead and it just leaked out in 2026.

• 2:38:04Speaker 01

  Dude, Helen Keller-

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  Her doctors were saying that she responded to stimuli, to sound, to visual, and then her writing was apparently all the same grammatical errors and spelling errors that her handler had.

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  This goes back to Cupid Shae Shae Joe. It's just like, he says to me, you, you lost it all and you built it back and I just, Stevie wondered him, I'm like, I can't see man.

• 2:38:28Joe Rogan?

  Me and Eddie Bravo were crying laughing. Cause he, cause I was on the toilet when he called me. And, uh, I'm, I'm taking a shit and he's like, uh, did Bert Kreischer lose everything? I'm like, what?

• 2:38:39Speaker 01

  That was the first thing you said to me last night.

• 2:38:41Joe Rogan?

  He goes, he was on Shannon, I go, he didn't lose everything? And I go, I bet Shannon Sharp just said that and I could see Burt totally just going with it. And we were crying laughing. Eddie and I were crying, like, why would you go with that? Why wouldn't you just tell, I'll tell you, Burt wouldn't. He wouldn't even, but he was, I don't know Shannon, I just put myself back up and I just, I hit rock bottom.

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  He never hit rock bottom. He was never even in the middle. He was always doing great.

• 2:39:11Speaker 01

  That's what happened to Stevie Wonder.

• 2:39:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:39:14Speaker 01

  Hey man, I heard you're blind. He's like, what? And then someone's like, just go with it.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  Come on, this can't be real.

• 2:39:18Speaker 01

  I swear to god, there's video of someone-

• 2:39:20Joe Rogan?

  Ray Charles is blind. Don't kill my, all my dreams.

• 2:39:23Speaker 01

  Ray Charles is really blind, but-

• 2:39:24Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:39:24Speaker 01

  Stevie Wonder-

• 2:39:25Joe Rogan?

  I heard Ray Charles got a lot of pussy too.

• 2:39:26Speaker 01

  Stevie Wonder-

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  You know why?

• 2:39:27Speaker 01

  Cause he didn't care what it looked like.

• 2:39:29Joe Rogan?

  He didn't give a fuck. He just cared what it felt like. Did you smell good? Do you smell good? Can we fuck?

• 2:39:34Speaker 01

  I brought a blind guy on stage one time in Hartford, Connecticut. I was like, he was with a fucking smoking hot chick.

• 2:39:39Joe Rogan?

  He probably didn't even know.

• 2:39:40Speaker 01

  And I know, I said, I go, dude, what a waste. And he was like, what? I go, you got a beautiful chick, but you could just, I mean, wouldn't a fat one feel better? Cause you're all touch, right? And he goes, no man, I can feel her face. And I went, what? And he goes, she's gorgeous. And she was.

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he could feel her face?

• 2:39:54Speaker 01

  This is when I was young and there were no rules in comedy and no one had phones. So I said, hey man, come up on stage. I want you to feel people in the audience and rate them on a scale of one to 10.

• 2:40:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 2:40:04Speaker 01

  And fucking the confidence of these chicks.

• 2:40:07Joe Rogan?

  I'll do it.

• 2:40:08Speaker 01

  Gets up, feels her face, he's like, ugh, four. And the crowd was like, this guy's good. He could have worked at a fair, Joe. I mean, he was so fucking good. He was so good. You have to have footage of Stevie Wonder shaking dudes' hands.

• 2:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Come on.

• 2:40:22Speaker 01

  He, there's one where I saw where he comes up on stage and Stevie sticks his hand out to the side and the guy's like, hey, what's up Stevie? There's-

• 2:40:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I mean, he would hear people and know that they were to the side of him.

• 2:40:32Speaker 01

  I don't know. I, that's what I heard. But then, I think, that's what happened with Helen Keller, is right? The story-

• 2:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, Helen Keller, it seems like it was fraud. It seems like, she probably was like visually impaired. Okay, when someone attempted to shake hands with Stevie Wonder, like, pray this.

• 2:40:51Speaker 04

  Oh, it's a joke making fun of it, okay, so not that one.

• 2:40:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:40:54Speaker 04

  But I did find, so there's a bunch of compilations of people, like this is from Drink Champs. These Stevie Wonder stories keep getting wilder every time.

• 2:41:01Speaker 01

  Shout out, you ever had Drink Champs on?

• 2:41:02Joe Rogan?

  No, let's, let me, let me hear some of this. Everybody's got Stevie's not blind stories.

• 2:41:07Speaker 07

  Stevie Wonder be FaceTiming. On everything I love, Stevie Wonder does FaceTime me.

• 2:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Come on, man!

• 2:41:15Speaker 07

  I can't make this shit up.

• 2:41:16Joe Rogan?

  Come on!

• 2:41:17Speaker 07

  I was in there chilling with my, I was getting my hair done with my hairstylist.

• 2:41:20Joe Rogan?

  He gonna tell us a story.

• 2:41:21Speaker 07

  And my phone, and my hairstylist like, did I say Stevie Wonder? I said, yep. I went boop, and he was like, I've been looking for you.

• 2:41:32Speaker 07

  You know Snoop Dogg said that Stevie Wonder FaceTimed him?

• 2:41:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Stevie FaceTimed me too.

• 2:41:39Speaker 01

  Oh my god. Oh my god.

• 2:41:43Speaker 07

  Think Stevie could see?

• 2:41:44Speaker 06

  Sometimes.

• 2:41:46Speaker 07

  What?

• 2:41:48Speaker 07

  Shaq said he rode in the elevator with Stevie and Stevie pressed the button.

• 2:41:55Speaker 06

  We lived in the same building, Wilshire.

• 2:41:57Speaker 07

  Alright, I just need to describe this story.

• 2:41:59Speaker 06

  You can park in front, or you can park in the bottom. I'm already in the elevator.

• 2:42:06Speaker 07

  So you say Stevie got off his car and don't look?

• 2:42:08Speaker 06

  No.

• 2:42:11Speaker 06

  But he got on the elevator and don't look.

• 2:42:12Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 2:42:13Speaker 06

  And I'm standing in the corner, I see him, I don't want to say nothing, he's like, "What up Diesel?" He gets buttoned and he got the floor and I'm like...

• 2:42:19Speaker 07

  Shaq said he rode in the elevator with him. He didn't say that he was in there. He just thinks Stevie, like they lived in the same building and they both walked in. And Shaq, because he didn't want to say that, and Stevie's there when Shaq walked out. Alright, later Diesel.

• 2:42:35Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:42:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:39Joe Rogan?

  That's cra- well, what a, what a great move that would be if he really did it. I think he's blind.

• 2:42:44Speaker 01

  No, here's, it's the pitch.

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  But what up Diesel, first of all, the sound that he would make when he walks. Like Shaq is huge.

• 2:42:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:52Joe Rogan?

  He's an enormous person. So you'd probably realize there was an enormous man next to you.

• 2:42:56Speaker 01

  You'd have to feel it.

• 2:42:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:59Speaker 01

  I'll test it.

• 2:43:00Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he wears the same deodorant or cologne. Because dudes who can't see have amazing sense of smell. Like they, people smell differently.

• 2:43:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  You know, like certain people smell different, I guess. I don't notice it because I can see him.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  Shaq does have his own deodorant.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 2:43:17Speaker 01

  No, he has his own deodorant. It's got Shaq's head on it, I think.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  He probably smelled Shaq's deodorant. I don't know. I'm just trying to be charitable.

• 2:43:24Speaker 01

  This is how I think it happened, right? Stevie Wonder goes on what, The Ed Sullivan Show at five? And uh, and he's probably hard, he probably can't see, he probably doesn't have 2020 vision. He's probably legally blind, right?

• 2:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Uh, right, legally blind.

• 2:43:37Speaker 01

  Legally blind, like he can see shit, but it's not great vision. And they're like, you know, uh, this is a little Stevie, and he's like, what's wrong with his eyes? We can't fucking put his eyes out like that. Give him sunglasses. And they just, and then the story got bigger than it was. I will say this, I will say this, okay? I got video of this. This just proves that he might be blind.

• 2:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:43:58Speaker 01

  Leanne was at a concert the other night. This guy, Corey Henry's, Stevie's favorite pianist. Leanne loves Corey Henry. She goes to the concert, she's sitting next to Stevie Wonder. And Stevie Wonder didn't stand, the whole place was standing. And Leanne was like, why isn't he standing? I go, cuz you only stand to see. If you're blind, you're gonna sit through the whole show, it's no different to you.

• 2:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:44:17Speaker 01

  So I was like, and then I have video of Stevie Wonder sitting. But it's also convenient, who the fuck wants to stand for a show?

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  I don't.

• 2:44:25Speaker 01

  Helen Keller.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  The Helen Keller one's different.

• 2:44:28Speaker 01

  The Helen Keller one's.

• 2:44:28Joe Rogan?

  Because there's doctors that have said, like, there's, it was medical records at the time where people said she was responding to light.

• 2:44:36Speaker 04

  This says that there's, uh, that's not true.

• 2:44:38Joe Rogan?

  The Helen Keller thing?

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  Uh, medical board archives from 1902 to 1924 do not contain examination reports showing Helen Keller had functional vision and hearing throughout a disabled life. And the conspiracy that Keller was a cash cow for Sullivan is debunked by the fact that Keller's full life continued with another companion, Polly Thompson, who also interpreted for her. That doesn't mean anything. That means that other person could be in on it as well.

• 2:45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:05Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't mean anything. Also, this is a time in 1919. I mean, come on.

• 2:45:10Speaker 01

  How easy was a lie in 1919?

• 2:45:12Joe Rogan?

  1924, I mean, you could get away with so much. So she supposedly flew a fucking plane?

• 2:45:18Speaker 04

  This says.

• 2:45:19Speaker 01

  I told you she flew a.

• 2:45:20Speaker 04

  No, no, hold on. Yeah, this says it was from like a movie and there's no.

• 2:45:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the movie, she flew a plane in a movie?

• 2:45:25Speaker 04

  A silent film, she played herself.

• 2:45:28Joe Rogan?

  She played herself flying a plane? They just thought people were retarded back then. They're like, show her flying a plane. She's the best.

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  She started the university.

• 2:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Nothing can hold her back. Why is it holding you back? She can't hear, she can't see, and she could talk and write books. Like, wait, what? Okay, that is this one article.

• 2:45:45Speaker 01

  I knew she flew a plane.

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  But I've read things that said that the people that were examining her said that she responded to sound and that she responded to light. Just because this one thing says it's not true doesn't mean that it's not true.

• 2:45:59Speaker 01

  Well, then here's the question.

• 2:46:00Joe Rogan?

  It's also, we don't know. This is a hundred years ago.

• 2:46:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:46:04Joe Rogan?

  We really don't know.

• 2:46:06Speaker 01

  How blind and deaf do you need to be before you say you're not blind and deaf?

• 2:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, the thing is, like, can you not hear anything? Can you not see anything? That's blind and that's deaf. Anything else is like, I have poor hearing and poor sight.

• 2:46:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that doesn't sell a fucking book.

• 2:46:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that's the problem. Like, maybe she could see a little. Maybe she just had bad vision and maybe she could talk a little. Because otherwise, how, I mean-

• 2:46:30Speaker 01

  So less impressive.

• 2:46:30Joe Rogan?

  Explain to me how you're gonna write books. Explain to me how you're gonna grasp concepts and language and communication and interaction. Explain to me. I don't get it. And I've never met anybody since then that's been able to do it.

• 2:46:42Speaker 01

  I can't-

• 2:46:42Joe Rogan?

  Do any blind deaf people today write books and fly planes?

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if she flew a plane.

• 2:46:48Speaker 04

  She's just in the plane, that's what it said.

• 2:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:46:50Speaker 01

  She's in the front of this plane and they usually flew it from the back.

• 2:46:52Joe Rogan?

  I saw a blind guy on a plane once. Didn't think anything of it. I didn't think he flew.

• 2:46:56Speaker 01

  I almost got in a fight with a blind guy at the Austin airport.

• 2:46:58Joe Rogan?

  For what?

• 2:46:59Speaker 01

  Right after I did the show last time I was here. I was a little high, I went to the airport, a little drunk. He was fighting with his wife and he grabbed her by the back of the arm to leave. And I thought he was just grabbing by the back of the arm like a dick. And I was like, hey! And then he turned around and he had sunglasses on and a cane. And I realized that's the only way he could get to the gate.

• 2:47:16Joe Rogan?

  Look at Burt being a fucking white knight.

• 2:47:18Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:47:18Joe Rogan?

  Stepping in, fighting blind guys.

• 2:47:20Speaker 01

  Fucked that guy up. He is so easy a fight I've ever been in. The look on the black guy's face at TSA, when I couldn't see that he was blind already, and he grabbed his wife's arm and I went, hey! And the black guy went, oh shit. Like, not knowing, you're talking shit to a blind guy.

• 2:47:37Joe Rogan?

  You were drunk.

• 2:47:38Speaker 01

  I was, I was wasted.

• 2:47:39Joe Rogan?

  So, are there any people, are there any good articles that say Helen Keller could see?

• 2:47:44Speaker 04

  I asked perplexity, it said she was blind and deaf caused by meningitis when she was nineteen months old.

• 2:47:51Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Again, I wonder, I wonder if she could see a little, see a little and hear a little makes a lot more sense that you could write books.

• 2:48:00Speaker 04

  That's why I just stumbled across something that's, I don't know how true it is, it just says that somewhere in the, along the way, Stevie Wonder got some sort of corrective something or other to help.

• 2:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so he could see a little bit?

• 2:48:11Speaker 04

  Perception issues or?

• 2:48:13Joe Rogan?

  What? That means you could see. Stop lying to me, damn it.

• 2:48:17Speaker 04

  But he also, another thing says he's got detached retinas.

• 2:48:20Speaker 01

  Wait, did you ever see that?

• 2:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting. So, he has damaged vision then? That sounds like damaged vision.

• 2:48:26Speaker 04

  Shortly after birth due to retinopathy of prematurity from being born prematurely. He's addressed his rumors persistently. Uh, about being able to see, says the blessing allow him to see people's spirits, not their appearance.

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  So, this is the Instagram thing that I saw initially on Helen Keller. I'll send this to you.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't believe that, but you believe that bullshit article that you just pulled up.

• 2:48:52Speaker 04

  No, I'm saying, starting with social media isn't the best place.

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Listen, it's the best place for information.

• 2:48:57Speaker 01

  That's where I get all my information.

• 2:48:58Joe Rogan?

  Everything's accurate.

• 2:48:59Speaker 04

  You could start there.

• 2:49:00Joe Rogan?

  It's all real. It's all real.

• 2:49:03Speaker 01

  You ever told someone, yeah, I read a book about it, it was just an Instagram post, and they're like, a book? I think I saw the same post.

• 2:49:08Joe Rogan?

  Helen Keller was a fraud. Doctors proved she could see and hear.

• 2:49:12Speaker 01

  That's her?

• 2:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Her teacher made millions from the lie. Said, medical board archives, medical board archives from nineteen oh two to nineteen twenty four allegedly contain examination reports suggesting Helen Keller retained partial vision and hearing throughout her life. According to those claims, multiple physicians noted she reacted to sounds when Ann Sullivan was not present, tracked movement with her eyes, and physically flinched at loud noises. One sealed report is said to conclude, I don't like that, is said to conclude, that her responses pointed to coordinated deception rather than true disability.

• 2:49:47Joe Rogan?

  Sullivan reportedly refused independent testing. Aha. The theory argues that the situation became highly profitable. Sullivan allegedly discovered Keller at age seven, promoted a miraculous teaching breakthrough, and toured the country charging the modern equivalent of thousands per appearance. Supporters of the claim say Keller's autobiography noticeably changed tone when Sullivan became ill, suggesting Sullivan authored both voices. Financial records are said to show Sullivan controlled all income, keeping Keller financially dependent for life. Linguistic analytics cited by conspiracy supporters claim Keller's writings mirrored Sullivan's private letters, exactly matching vocabulary, sentence structure, and even spelling mistakes.

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  They argue that Keller wrote without Sullivan present, that when Keller wrote without Sullivan present, the work appeared elementary, concluding that her eloquent public words came from Sullivan, not Keller. According to the theory, disability organizations later built massive institutions around Keller's story. When evidence questioning her condition surfaced, it was allegedly suppressed due to, to, rather, protect a lucrative charity, an inspiration-based industry that relied on a powerful symbolic figure.

• 2:51:00Speaker 01

  Lance Armstrong.

• 2:51:02Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 2:51:03Speaker 01

  This is like, this is, this is the whole, like, uh, you build the whole thing and people start coming at you, right? It's like, this is the time when the Elephant Man was big.

• 2:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but Lance Armstrong won those races. And the thing about the Lance Armstrong thing is, you know, you could say Lance Armstrong cheated, and he'll tell you he cheated, but the reality is, everyone cheated. If you wanted to go back into the archives when he won Tour de France and figure out, like, who didn't test positive, you had to go to 18th place. Yeah. So they took away all his jerseys. By the way, fuck you, he says, because he still has all those jerseys on the wall. Bitch, you can't take them from me. You could say I didn't win, but everybody knows I won. And everybody knows he won when all those other guys were doping too.

• 2:51:48Speaker 01

  But I was saying they were trying to protect a lucrative, a lucrative profit.

• 2:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:51:53Speaker 01

  And that's what didn't happen with Lance. Like, they, they just threw him under the bus.

• 2:51:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was also suing people who were saying that he took stuff.

• 2:52:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Because they were whistleblowers, because they went after them first and said, listen, if you, if you blow the whistle on Lance, we'll get you off the hook. And so then he would sue them.

• 2:52:09Speaker 01

  It'd be a better story if Helen was more like Lance. And they're like, we got a tennis partner says you play tennis with him.

• 2:52:14Joe Rogan?

  She's like, I'm gonna sue you. And they're like, you're talking pretty good.

• 2:52:20Speaker 01

  But this is around the time when the Elephant Man was big. So you'd grab on to something, right? You'd grab on to something like a sideshow.

• 2:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:52:27Speaker 01

  And you'd parade it around the country and make money.

• 2:52:28Joe Rogan?

  That woman who's our handler, if that lady was responsible for all of her finances and had access to all that money.

• 2:52:34Speaker 01

  Ann Sullivan.

• 2:52:34Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense.

• 2:52:35Speaker 01

  That's how I mixed up Anne Frank and Ann Sullivan. That's how it came about.

• 2:52:38Speaker 04

  There's nowhere to, there's no link here.

• 2:52:40Joe Rogan?

  Shut up, Jamie.

• 2:52:41Speaker 04

  I just wanna say.

• 2:52:42Joe Rogan?

  Stop ruining everything.

• 2:52:46Joe Rogan?

  You're right, there's no link there.

• 2:52:47Speaker 04

  There's not a single link to say, and people even ask like, where are the links?

• 2:52:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I like that one, though. I knew it!

• 2:52:53Speaker 01

  I knew it!

• 2:52:53Joe Rogan?

  I'm with that guy.

• 2:52:54Speaker 01

  Christian Harvey.

• 2:52:55Joe Rogan?

  I'm with that guy. I'm with that guy.

• 2:52:57Speaker 01

  I've been saying this for years.

• 2:52:59Joe Rogan?

  It just doesn't make sense that she'd be able to write so eloquent.

• 2:53:01Speaker 01

  Did you ever see Kevin Hart and Dr. Dre talking about Stevie Wonder?

• 2:53:05Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:53:06Speaker 01

  Pull this up. Kevin Hart, Dr. Dre. Because Dr. Dre is not, I mean, like, he's not, he never tries to be funny.

• 2:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:14Speaker 01

  And he is so fucking funny on accident on this clip.

• 2:53:18Joe Rogan?

  Talking about Stevie Wonder?

• 2:53:20Speaker 01

  Just Stevie Wonder, Dr. Dre, Kevin Hart.

• 2:53:23Speaker 06

  Album with Marsha Ambrosia, right? And we did some music, a song using Stevie Wonder's music. And he had to clear it and he called me up like, ah, okay. For some reason, Stevie Wonder calls you like, super early in the morning. Like, six, seven in the morning or some shit. I'm like, just because you can't see the time.

• 2:53:41Speaker 06

  The fuck? Right, so, true story. Like, I don't like the lyrics. I don't like the lyrics, Dre.

• 2:53:48Speaker 01

  Look at Kevin.

• 2:53:49Speaker 06

  Okay, we went in to change the lyrics. She's like, what did we, uh?

• 2:53:54Speaker 06

  It was like, just.

• 2:54:04Speaker 06

  What the fuck is the difference like 5am or 5pm in the city?

• 2:54:11Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:54:12Speaker 01

  What's the difference?

• 2:54:13Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:54:14Speaker 01

  That's what, blind people have a really hard time sleeping.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  I imagine, cause it's dark all the time.

• 2:54:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, their circadian rhythms all fucked up, right?

• 2:54:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:22Joe Rogan?

  They feel sunlight in their face, though, if they go outside.

• 2:54:25Speaker 01

  They have to, I do.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it probably feels really good. Get that sun on your face, you're blind, like, ah. You just don't feel the light. Just feel the warmth.

• 2:54:34Speaker 01

  I bet you see it when you open your eyes a little bit. I bet you see something, right?

• 2:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Depends on your level of blindness, right? Some people could just see light, like a little bit of light.

• 2:54:42Speaker 01

  I would love that they made like blind glasses, like this is what, this is how blind you have to be to be considered blind, and you could just put them on and be like, okay, that's blind.

• 2:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like legally blind glasses?

• 2:54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, legally blind glasses that we could all put on.

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 2:54:54Speaker 01

  And then they're like, and that'd be cool if they made like versions, like this is how blind Helen Keller was, and you put them on, you're like, oh, I can fucking see.

• 2:55:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we don't know.

• 2:55:01Speaker 01

  Well, I guess there's no way to find out.

• 2:55:02Joe Rogan?

  I like to believe that it was a fraud, I think that's fun. I like to believe that people pull, well, it's like Watergate. I, I like finding out.

• 2:55:09Speaker 01

  I gotta get rid of that book now.

• 2:55:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:11Speaker 01

  That fucking bums me out, that was my hair.

• 2:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Listen, you watched the episode that I did with Bill Murray, he fucking hated that book. He said, after five pages, he was like, I knew it was bullshit.

• 2:55:21Speaker 01

  Todd.

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Bert, I love you to death.

• 2:55:23Speaker 01

  Joe, I love you.

• 2:55:24Joe Rogan?

  Tell everybody about your show, it's on Netflix right now.

• 2:55:27Speaker 01

  Free Bert, streaming on Netflix right now, check it out, if you like it, just enjoy it, tell a friend.

• 2:55:32Joe Rogan?

  Boom, boom.

• 2:55:33Speaker 01

  Two hundred and seventy-five pounds in this.

• 2:55:35Joe Rogan?

  Damn. You look like you lost a lot of weight, how much you down to now?

• 2:55:39Speaker 01

  Forty pounds, uh, thirty-five pounds, or forty-five pounds.

• 2:55:41Joe Rogan?

  And you haven't drank in how long?

• 2:55:43Speaker 01

  Just seventeen days.

• 2:55:45Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 2:55:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got another, I have a timer set, five months and eighteen days.

• 2:55:50Joe Rogan?

  So at six months, you're gonna have a drink?

• 2:55:51Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, well, I got a second opinion, you know that, Joe.

• 2:55:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'll see you in six months.

• 2:55:55Speaker 01

  I'll see you in six, I'll see you in my before.

• 2:55:56Joe Rogan?

  I'll see you before. Are you coming tonight, you gonna be around tonight?

• 2:55:59Speaker 01

  I, I'm trying to go do, spend time with Tom's kids.

• 2:56:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, beautiful, okay, beautiful.

• 2:56:03Speaker 01

  Well, it's good, good luck getting Tommy on the phone these days.

• 2:56:05Joe Rogan?

  He's a busy boy. Yeah, busy boy.

• 2:56:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're all busy, Tom.

• 2:56:09Joe Rogan?

  That dude's busy, though.

• 2:56:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  He's kinda crazy busy.

• 2:56:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I own a vodka company with him.

• 2:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he opened up a restaurant.

• 2:56:14Speaker 01

  We have a 5K, you gonna go run our 5K, Joe?

• 2:56:17Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:56:18Speaker 01

  LA?

• 2:56:18Joe Rogan?

  No. Come on. I don't go to LA.

• 2:56:21Speaker 01

  When was the last time you were there?

• 2:56:23Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I guess it was like, I went there for the UFC. Seven months ago or something like that.

• 2:56:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:56:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't go there anymore. I, LA to me is like a, just a bad relationship. Like that you, like you run into a girl that used to be cool and now she's just a mess and you're like, oh.

• 2:56:41Speaker 01

  You don't miss anything about it?

• 2:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 2:56:44Joe Rogan?

  I'm good at moving on.

• 2:56:48Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me on Joe, I appreciate it.

• 2:56:49Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure, brother. Love you to death.

• 2:56:50Speaker 01

  All right, bye everybody.

• 2:57:06Speaker 00

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