Bonus Episode – True Crime Songs, Singer Songwriters, and the Worst Draft Pick in NBA History

This week in the after party, Jake is thinking about great singer songwriter albums - what is your favorite? Plus, we hear from you on your favorite true crime songs. On Tuesday, we're bringing you part 2 of our Frank Sinatra story. Jake wants to know: Is Frank Sinatra the most gangster musical artist of all time? Share your thoughts at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 178 - Bob Dylan https://www.disgracelandpod.com/178/bob-dylan Episode 27 -Snoop Dogg https://www.disgracelandpod.com/027/snoop-dogg Episode 132 - Jeff Buckley https://www.disgracelandpod.com/132/jeff-buckley Episode 5 - Van Morrison https://www.disgracelandpod.com/005/van-morrison To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:43Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The After Party.

• 2:09Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject, Bruce Springsteen. We are previewing next week's Frank Sinatra, Part Two finale. We get into your voicemails, text DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 2:52Jake Brennan?

  So I didn't mean to feature two Whopper episodes on New Jersey musicians back to back in our feed, but that's what happened. Bruce Springsteen is back at the top of your feed this week in our Tuesday full episode slot. And next week, we have our brand new Part Two episode on Frank Sinatra. After that, of course, we have our episodes on Bon Jovi, Frankie Valli, and the Four Seasons, and Lifetime. No, I'm kidding. Our New Jersey exploration stops next week with Sinatra, Part Two. No Bon Jovi episode, no Frankie Valli episode, and definitely no Lifetime episode, although maybe, maybe a Bon Jovi, maybe a Frankie Valli one in the future. But man, just the point is, a lot of great bands from Tony Soprano's home turf. Just Springsteen

• 3:32Jake Brennan?

  and Sinatra alone is kind of wild. And I'm tempted to ask you guys, which state has given us the greatest musicians? But we talked about a version of that question recently. We also got down on the topic recently on Instagram anyways, which Springsteen album is the best, which is an impossible question to answer. My answer...

• 3:56Jake Brennan?

  Despite the impossibility, as I said on Instagram, has changed wildly throughout my years of Boss appreciation. But weirdly, I think my answer is not Nebraska, the album that we feature in this week's full episode of Disgraceant. But instead, I think the answer to the question of what my favorite Bruce Springsteen album is, I think it's the album that Nebraska spawned in its wake, born in the USA. An album, or at least a single in an era of Bruce Springsteen, anyway, that I once despised as a kid. I did not like Bruce Springsteen growing up. It actually took Nebraska to get me into it. Actually, it was, I think it was the song, The River, and shortly after that, Nebraska. But anyways,

• 4:38Jake Brennan?

  I don't want to ask that question here. Okay. Instead, I want to talk about singer-songwriters, because the Boss is definitely that, and he's one of the greatest singer-songwriters. But is he the best? First, what do I mean when I say singer-songwriter? Sinatra was a singer, but not a songwriter. So Frank's out. Mick Jagger sings and writes songs, but he fronts a band that he largely co-leads with Keith Richards. So Mick's out. But what about Paul McCartney? Yes, Paul is very much a singer-songwriter, but he's much more than that. And I'm disqualifying Paul, and John for that matter, and George, and even Ringo, and other post-mega band artists who went on to solo careers. Instead, I'm choosing

• 5:23Jake Brennan?

  to focus on artists who broke onto the scene and spent the majority of their careers onstage, in front of a microphone, with an instrument in their hands, belting out tunes that they themselves wrote. At times, they're onstage by themselves. At times, they're onstage in front of bands that they lead. Bruce Springsteen is the perfect example, but so is someone like Dave Matthews. Whereas Jeff Tweedy of Wilco is not. And, you know, Bob Dylan, obviously, great example. Elton John, great example. Ryan Adams, great example. Whereas someone like Craig Finn, or Frank Black, they are not great examples. Taylor Swift, great example. Jane Wyeth from the Go-Go's, despite writing a lot of those songs, not

• 6:06Jake Brennan?

  a great example. Starting to get the definition, singer-songwriter, solo artists who write their own songs, lead their own bands. Who did it best? Was it the Boss? And the answer is, hell, no, it wasn't the Boss. Because- Dylan did it first and arguably better. You might like Springsteen better than Dylan, but Dylan gave Bruce the map on how to get to where he was going. Now, it might not have been a Texaco roadmap, but it was a guide and Springsteen is still following Dylan. Look at the recent biopics, okay? Speaking of directions and how to get from one place to another, the Dylan movie is called No Direction Home and the Springsteen movie is called Deliver Me From Nowhere. Bruce got himself lost here, just like Bob did, okay?

• 6:51Jake Brennan?

  This question is nearly impossible to answer. Who is the best singer songwriter of all time? All I know is that Bruce ain't it. But guys, I found one of my favorite things today on my way to the after party, a list, okay? It's a little bit more dialed in, however, which I like because it gives us some more structure to this question. The list doesn't ask, who is the greatest singer songwriter of all time? It asks, what is the greatest singer songwriter album of all time? Now, this question, this gives me the fuel I need to contradict myself and look like a proper asshole, because if you ask me, what is the greatest singer songwriter album

• 7:33Jake Brennan?

  of all time? I might tell you Nebraska by Bruce Springsteen. I might give you that as the answer, but you're gonna say, wait, Jake, how can a Springsteen album, how can a Springsteen singer songwriter album be better than a Dylan singer songwriter album? If Dylan is in your words, the best singer songwriter of all time, and especially if that Springsteen album isn't Born in the USA, which you just told us was your favorite Springsteen album. And my answer to you would be, I have no fucking idea. It has something to do with the fact that Born in the USA is a band album. Nebraska is a one man show with a tight focus on theme and character. And I can't think of a Dylan album that is presented quite like that. Plus, I just fucking love Nebraska, probably more than Blonde on Blonde, but.

• 8:17Jake Brennan?

  Enough twisted logic. I'm giving myself a headache. Let's get into the list so we can argue with the dude who made it and not the voices in my head. All right. The list of greatest singer songwriter albums of all time comes from a 2024 Melophobe post. I don't know who this writer is, but I like him. And this list is solid and more importantly, it is compelling. Number 10, Blood on the Tracks by Bob Dylan. This seems way too low. I don't know. You guys tell me. Number nine, Pink Moon by Nick Drake. Not gonna lie, aside from maybe one other song besides the title track, I don't really know this record and now I feel stupid. So thanks, Melophobe. Number eight, Harvest by Neil Young. This seems, well, kind of perfect. A solid eight on this list of heavyweight singer songwriter

• 9:00Jake Brennan?

  albums. I can get with Harvest at eight, I guess. Number seven, Either/or by Elliott Smith. And I gotta say, man, no, no, you got the wrong record. The right record is XO. If you had XO here by Elliott Smith. Now, can Elliott Smith have an album better than Neil Young at number eight? Hell yeah, he can, but it can't be either or. It's gotta be XO. Better than Bob Dylan as well? Yeah, I do believe he can. XO is that good. It's great. Start to finish. Not a single turd in the punch pole on Expo. Number six, Moon Dance by Van Morrison. Speaking of turds, no, I'm kidding. This album is not a turd, but it's not rock solid start to finish. And I'm not even sure it should be higher

• 9:38Jake Brennan?

  than Astro Weeks, which isn't even on this list. Number five, Horses by Patti Smith. The writer ranking Patti Smith higher than Van Morrison is a cheeky fuck you and I like it. I spelled G L O R I A. I can't argue with this choice or its placement. This album rocks start to finish. And it's singular in its sound and in its statement. It's great, G R E A T. It's a great record. Number four, Warren Zevon, Warren Zevon self titled. Okay, admittedly, I don't know this record as well as some of these other records, but I have heard it and I do own it. And I know that it doesn't deserve to be this high on the list despite it being responsible for one of the greatest Gigi Allen moments in music history. But I do think I need to revisit this because I don't quite know what the

• 10:22Jake Brennan?

  hell it is I'm talking about when I talk about this album because I've listened to it, but I've never really, really let myself get taken in by it. And I think if I did, I think if I did, maybe, if I did, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe I would think it deserved this high of a placement on this list. I don't know. Number three, Grace by Jeff Buckley. Hard to fuck with this record. Hard to fuck with this placement. I'd say the same thing about this record that I said about horses. Nothing like it before, and no one's come close to giving us anything like it since. Number two, John Prine. John Prine. Hard for me to comment on this one because I've never been taken in by John Prine. Now, I've tried, unlike with that Zevon record I was talking about. And I don't think like

• 11:04Jake Brennan?

  a lot of people do that John Prine is the second coming of Robert Zimmerman. I don't dislike John Prine. I just don't think that he's the bee's knees. I don't think he's better than Jeff Buckley. Now, hold on, hold on. I know John Prine has had a long illustrious career before he passed away. And Jeff Buckley basically made one record. So I get it. I get it. Come at me. I deserve it for that comment. But Grace, just, it's just, it's incredible. Is John Prine, John Prine that good? I don't know. Maybe I should go look at it specifically with that intention to compare it to Grace. But let's stop talking about John Prine in the number two spot. Let's talk about the number one spot.

• 11:48Jake Brennan?

  Bob Dylan's Blonde on Blonde. Hard to argue with this one unless you want to bring other Dylan albums into the mix. Is Blonde on Blonde better than Blood on the Tracks, which was number 10 on this list? I don't know. Freewheeling? Is it better than the freewheeling Bob Dylan? I don't know about that either. Maybe, probably, maybe, very hard to say. Is it better than Nebraska, though? That's the question. Nebraska didn't even make the top 10. Shows you what I know. Glaring omissions from this list, by the way. Billy Joel's The Stranger, Ryan Adams' Heartbreaker, Amy Winehouse's Back to Black. But you tell me, what is the greatest singer-songwriter album of all time? And hell, it doesn't even have to be the greatest. It can just be, what does that even mean, the greatest?

• 12:32Jake Brennan?

  What does that even, I've proven in this that I have no idea what it means. It's just all opinions. Just let me know what singer-songwriter album you love the most. Tapestry by Carole King. How's that not on this dude's list? Come on. Let me know what you think. Singer-songwriter album, which one hit you the most? 617-906-6638. Leave me a voicemail. Send me a text. You might hear your answer on next week's after-party. But before that, Speaking of great albums, we have two episodes coming at you after this bonus episode here with me talking into the microphone into your ears right now. We have two more episodes in the rewind spot that are coming up right after this. Two episodes, part one and part two on Fleetwood Mac, the Peter Green years and

• 13:17Jake Brennan?

  the Lindsay and Stevie years. And you're not going to want to miss all that drama, because if you do, you will never know what it's like to

• 13:24Jake Brennan?

  Okay, next Tuesday, like I mentioned, our next full episode coming your way is our two-part episode of the Frank Sinatra story. This is one of those stories where I fully went into the research, thinking it was going to be on one thing. And I came out of the research going, nope, it's on something else. I was gonna write Frank Sinatra episode on the kidnapping of Frank Sinatra Jr. And in researching that story, I was using a book that was published in 2022. And it talks in depth about that story. But it really, really, really gets into with, with, this is the most important part, with a bunch of new sourcing, a bunch of new government documents, federal and state

• 14:07Jake Brennan?

  from Los Angeles on Frank Sinatra and his mob ties throughout his career. And what I came upon in this research is that the myth about the myths, I should say, plural, about Frank Sinatra and the mafia, and our general cultural understanding of Frank's relationship to the mob, to the Italian mob, what our understanding and acceptance of what that is, is not true. We've been, we've bought into a false narrative. I'm not trying to make the case in this episode that he was not tied to the mafia. In fact, just the opposite. I'm saying that he was tied in way more and more fully than we have believed.

• 14:52Jake Brennan?

  We sort of accepted this myth. The myth comes in a box, and it has boundaries. And it is what it is. I'm not going to burn it all here. I'm just to say, That there's so much more to that. And it's not like I got this out of a book that some gossip rag written to sell off airport shelves. Okay, this is written by a real law enforcement investigator with access to real sourcing that is recent. Okay. And it kind of completely disrupted my understanding of who Frank Sinatra was and what he actually did for the American mafia. And yeah, man, I think you're really going to dig it. It's

• 15:37Jake Brennan?

  coming your way on Tuesday. And when you're listening to it, and you're getting my new perspective on Frank, I want you to think about Sean Combs, and I want you to think about Tupac Dre. I want you to think about any of the other sort of domineering personalities in rock and roll history. And I want you to answer the question of is Frank Sinatra the most gangster musician of all time? And if he is not in your estimation, then who is? So next week, the two questions we're going to get into in the after party are going to be number one, is Frank Sinatra the most gangster musician of all time? Number

• 16:19Jake Brennan?

  two, which singer songwriter album is your favorite? Hit me up 617-906-6638 or DM me at disgrace lamp pod or get at me on the old email box disgrace and pod at gmail.com. You may hear yourself in the next episode of the after party coming next week. All right. I got more music coming your way. I got even a little bit of some movie talk, touch of sports as well. But more important, we have you coming up after this short break as your voicemails and texts and DMs take over the show.

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• 18:44Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Apple Podcast listeners, make sure you got auto downloads turned on so you're not missing any DisgraceLand episodes. All right, you're not going to miss anything. You're not going to miss us hanging on the telephone here in the phone booth, the one across the hall, 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Last week's question of the week was about songs that are about murder, how that related to the Bruce Springsteen Nebraska record. Let's check in with our guy, Chris.

• 19:06Speaker 05

  Jake, Chris in the 626. I am calling in response to your question about songs about murder and true crime. I think I've mentioned this to you when we talked, but I have to give my vote to "Suffer Little Children" by The Smiths. It's about the more murders in Manchester in the early 1960s, kind of captivated the kids and the parents at that time. It was about Ian Brady and Myra Henley, who were a couple who were serial killers. And it's dark. A lot of the lines in the song come from a book called "Beyond Belief." I picked up the book in New Orleans in a thrift store in the mid-'90s, and it lived up to its title.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  So there you go, man. Big love. Rock-a-rola. Stay gold.

• 19:56Jake Brennan?

  Chris, thanks for the call, my man. I don't know that song. Thank you. Maybe I've heard it and I just never, it never hit me as a murder ballad or whatever. But when you mentioned Beyond Belief, the book, and now I'm wondering if the Elvis Costello Beyond Belief, that's an Elvis Costello song, right? Am I making that up? Am I thinking, what's going on? Let me just, yeah, Elvis Costello, Beyond Belief. Is that, does that have to do with the same thing? I don't know, but it's making me wonder. And just great, great voicemail, Chris. Appreciate you. Stay gold yourself. Rock-a-rola. All that jazz. What else we got? Let's check out AJ in the 203.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, this is John from the 203. I think Bob Dylan's Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll of his times. They are a changing album. I believe that was 64. That's my favorite song about a murder. I mean, how often do you hear someone rhyme table with table and then again with table? So he just uses that word three times to get his rhyme. Great song. Sad, tragic story. Read about that what really happened on Wikipedia is kind of a true story too. And it really is a great song about a tragic event.

• 21:18Jake Brennan?

  Great choice. And I don't know that I've ever heard anyone else rhyme table with table, or even thought of that. Someone said it was Brian Wilson. I'm researching Brian Wilson. Someone said you can't rhyme, not someone, Brian Wilson said you cannot rhyme anything with orange. And I don't know if that's true. Is it true? I don't know. Let's go to Michelle in the 416.

• 21:40Speaker 06

  Hi Jake, it's Michelle from Toronto, the 416. I'm calling in reversal. Last week's question, song, song, song. The first one that came to my mind was Maxwell's Silver Hammer because I remember as a kid singing my lungs out to that song and not well knowing that it was about killing some sweet ladies.

• 22:04Jake Brennan?

  Michelle, amazing choice. Amazing, amazing, amazing choice. I got so into the backstory of Maxwell Silver Hammer that I was like, I'm going to do a whole. Scripted fictional podcast about this story because it's off the charts. And I think the way the Beatles presented, they don't really present it in a dark way. They kind of do the opposite. I think that's very smart. Really cool. Love that song. Great choice. Let's go to Beth in the three, six, oh.

• 22:29Speaker 07

  Hey Jake, this is Beth from the three, six, oh. It used to be the two of six, but they added another, whatever those things are called. Prefix. Anyway, I was responding to the question about the most true crime song. And that would have to be probably the hurricane, Bob Dylan, about the boxer Ruben. And Patterson also set in New Jersey. So, um, sorry, I'm driving a little distracted. Anyway, um, yeah, you gotta talk about the hurricane. Anyway, gotta go. Don't drive and talk. All right. Bye.

• 23:12Jake Brennan?

  Beth, be careful out there behind the wheel. Thank you. Great choice. We were talking about this the other day. Bob Dylan's hurricane. And we're talking about the song. We're talking about doing an episode on this story. And if I'm remembering this story correctly, Bob Dylan, of course, is advocating the innocence of boxer Ruben Carter. But I believe Ruben Carter was proved guilty, was he not later, much later? Kind of like a Norman Mailer executioner song thing? Now I gotta look this up. Nope. I know not what I'm talking about. At least based on five seconds of research here. Google AI says here, Ruben Hurricane Carter was found not guilty. He was initially convicted of a triple murder in 1967, but those convictions were overturned

• 23:56Jake Brennan?

  by a federal judge in 1985 due to racial bias and lack of evidence. The judge determined that the prosecution had relied on an appeal to racism rather than reason. Damn.

• 24:07Jake Brennan?

  Still make for a compelling episode, I think, especially with Dylan's interest, history and support of boxing and of boxers and as a boxer himself. Bet you didn't know that. Make for a good episode. I think it's coming. I think we're going to get into it. Part three, Bob Dylan. What do you think? I know you're saying, Bob Dylan, part three, where's our poison episode? And I just say to you, you know, I'm just, yeah, maybe, I don't know. Sure. I think so. Yeah, it's coming. There's a lot of Dylan still to get into. 617-906-6638. You want to get into the voicemails and texts with me? You want to leave me an answer to any of our topics here, any of our questions of the week. 678 text in, hey,

• 24:48Jake Brennan?

  best song about murder, of course, is Murder Is The Case by Snoop Dogg. Reason, he was the defendant and was found not guilty. 440 writes in, hey, did you just say unfuckwithable? And I would answer you 440 and say, yes, I did. I did. I said that. I said it. I'm not apologizing for it. 801 writes in, Nebraska by Springsteen is epic. Another favorite true crime tune is Mark Knopfler's song for Sonny Liston. He hated needles, but he knew too much. Suicide, many think it was a hit job. Guys, I can't wait for you to hear the Sonny Liston episode of Sportsland if you have not already. 617-906-6638. You want to hit me up on voicemail and text. Guys, you want to get at me, you send me a text, you send me a voicemail and I don't answer it or play it here on, on the after party.

• 25:30Jake Brennan?

  Do not be dismayed. There is another way for you to get your voice heard. Just go over to the Hollywoodland feed in whatever podcast app you're in. Follow Hollywoodland. Listen to The Rap Party. We release them every Wednesday. It's very similar to the after party, except the topic is film, movies, Hollywood and true crime history. And it's not just me behind the mic. It's me and my guy, Zeth Lundie. Zeth's driving the show over there. Zeth and I, however, are both answering your, your voicemails and your texts and your, and your DMs and your emails. So if you want, you want another shot at getting heard, that is a way to do it. All right. Go to Hollywoodland. Make sure you're subscribed. All right. Listen, you guys know I'm a, I'm a sports fanatic. I'm a Boston sports fan

• 26:13Jake Brennan?

  in particular. There's not much going on in the world of Boston sports right now, but still I do, I do have a sports take. Okay. It's kind of tied to, to Boston. Matt, give me a little, give me a little buzzer beater here. Let me do my 30 second sports take in under, under 15 seconds or whatever the hell we're calling this segment. The Lakers, who are not the greatest franchise in NBA history, that of course is the Boston Celtics, the Lakers just sold for $10 billion. And it got me thinking, just how batshit crazy the Lakers history has been. Despite the fact that they don't have as many championships as the Boston Celtics, nor do they have they ever had a player as good as Larry Bird. But despite all that, they do have a crazy, crazy, crazy history.

• 26:58Jake Brennan?

  Just some weird shit. And I found this, I found this, there's all kinds of stuff like in Hollywood Lane, we talk in the Jack Nicholson episode about his love of the Lakers and how he had a clause in his contract in the eighties that prevented him from working on nights that the Lakers played at home and that that clause was even honored, which is nuts. There's all kinds of stuff that has gone on in Lakers history that's really wild. But this one, I gotta admit, I never heard this and it's, it bears repeating. In 1969, the Los Angeles Lakers drafted a guy named Ken Spain. Unaware that Ken Spain was dead, they drafted a dead guy. He died in a car crash weeks earlier, yet the Lakers didn't, didn't know. And they still drafted him, which is insane.

• 27:44Jake Brennan?

  And it's totally in line with, you know, the Lakers craziness. But it was interesting to me because it just shows, that was 1969. It just shows you how far we've come as a culture, as a society where of course that would never happen now, the way the news travels and the way that we get our information. I just thought that to be hysterical. And I just wanted a way to point out that the Lakers are not as good as the Boston Celtics. So there you have it. That's my sports rant for this week. Thanks for hanging in there with me. We will be back in just a minute.

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  Common cold, sinus infection, inflammation in the nose, flu or fluke-like symptoms, joint pain or sore throat may occur. Carry on with fewer attacks and ask your doctor about Extenture. Learn more at extenture.com or call 1-833-393-3678.

• 30:00Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. It's the Hollywood Land Minute. This is the part of the show where I talk about our other show, Hollywood Land. All right. This week's full episode subject of Hollywood Land is on the Wonderland Murders. This story, it's mainly a John Holmes story, but the Wonderland Murders story is the real story behind that scene in Boogie Nights with, what's the guy's name? Alfred Molina? He's playing that character. He's in the robe. They're trying to rob his house. You know what I'm talking about? This is the real story, the story behind that story. And it is a fascinating story in my estimation. It's a story that I don't know enough of the ins and outs about even after we've produced this episode.

• 30:41Jake Brennan?

  And the story comes up again in the upcoming DisgraceLand episode of Nikki's six, which you're going to hear in a couple of weeks. Our part two to the Motley Crue episode. However, now in the Hollywood land feed, you can check out this Wonderland Murders John Holmes story. And you can also hear Zeth and I in the rap party, getting down with some recommendations relevant to Wonderland, relevant to Hollywood, relevant to John Holmes. Matt, give them a little clip, show them what they're missing if they're not subscribed to the Hollywood land podcast. I'm obsessed lately with, with this song by another Eddie, Eddie and the Hot Rods. Do Anything You Want To Do is the name of the song and it is incredible. It is uplifting. It's one of those songs you put on. You're going to drive faster than you should be driving. You're going to feel good for the rest of the day. Fantastic tune, great message as well.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Eddie and the Hot Rods, are they different from Eddie and the Cruisers?

• 31:27Jake Brennan?

  Yes, much different.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  I remember seeing that record all the time and the, in any record store you go into Eddie and the Cruisers, like the, was that a soundtrack or something?

• 31:36Jake Brennan?

  It was a movie and Eddie and the Cruisers, the fictional band were an actual real band, John Cafferty and the

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Oh, the Beaver Brown Bands. Yeah. What a name.

• 31:43Jake Brennan?

  From Philly, I believe. Don't quote me on that because I actually don't know. I just think it's Philly. They were like a Springsteen wannabe thing. You know what I mean?

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:51Jake Brennan?

  And they had real hits.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  On the dark side.

• 31:53Jake Brennan?

  I was gonna say on the dark side. Yeah.

• 31:56Jake Brennan?

  And they're like

• 31:57Speaker 01

  That was like when you get your Bruce Springsteen at home, you know?

• 32:00Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But Eddie and the Hot Rods, Eddie and the Hot Rods, I believe were like a pub rock band from the late seventies in, in London. I don't know much about them. I just know they're like, you know, punk, punkish, pub rocky type thing. This song is incredible. I don't know how I got onto it, but it's just fucking great. All right, that's Zeth and I from the Rap Party. Guys, again, make sure you're subscribed to Hollywoodland, whatever you get your podcasts. And also, you know, if you want, you want the whole ad-free thing, you know, if you've been on the fence about, you know, do I sign up? Do I become a member? Do I become a DisgraceLand member? Do I go to disgracelandpod.com/membership and fork over the five bucks per month to get ad-free listening of DisgraceLand, to get an extra exclusive episode of DisgraceLand every single month, to get more of this after-party?

• 32:44Jake Brennan?

  Do I do that? Do I pay that five bucks? You might not think it's worth it. You might think, hey, five bucks is a lot of money. It is a lot of money. I understand. As a dude from New Jersey once said, "I got debts no honest man can pay." Listen, now, however, you're getting Hollywoodland as well, ad-free, all for that same five bucks. All right, go to disgracelandpod.com/membership to sign up and become a member today, just for $5.

• 33:23Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. And man, we mentioned a lot of musicians in this episode who we have episodes on. Jeff Buckley, Van Morrison, who else? Bob Dylan. I guess we've covered a lot of singer-songwriters. Nothing on Elliott Smith, nothing on John Prine, nothing on Warren Zevon, but perhaps have a good idea for a Warren Zevon episode. Anyways, Matt will do a full accounting of who we mentioned, and he'll get the archive episodes for you in the show notes. He'll get that information, episode numbers, so you can easily go back and find any of those episodes you might want to listen to in our archive of over 235 episodes. All right, that's a lot. All right, let's recap. Number one, this week's episode

• 34:06Jake Brennan?

  on Bruce Springsteen, "In The Real Murders Behind Nebraska." That's available if you're right now. Check that out. Get in there. Get in there and listen to it. Get back at me later when you think. Number two, our Rewind episode on Fleetwood Mac, Parts One and Two is coming up next in your feed. Number three, next week on Tuesday, Frank Sinatra, Part Two. You're not going to want to miss that. Number four, over the Hollywoodland feed. Get our episode on the Wonderland Murders and our latest Rap Party Bonus Episodes. Those are waiting for you right now. Number four, damn it, I forgot to do the reviews again. Damn it, I gotta do that next week. Uh, leave a review for Disgrace and or Hollywoodland. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, in honor of this week's full episode subject, Bruce Springsteen, who released Nebraska

• 34:50Jake Brennan?

  on January 3rd, 1982. This is what the country was listening to, according to the Billboard Hot 100 at that time. Number one, physical, Olivia Newton-John. Last week, one, weeks at number one, eight, weeks on chart, 15. Number two, waiting for a girl like you, Foreigner. Last week, two, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 14. Number three, let's groove, Earth, Wind & Fire. Last week, three, peak position, three, weeks on chart, 15. Number four, I can't go for that, no can do, Darryl Hall, John Oates.

• 35:32Jake Brennan?

  Last week, four, peak position, four, weeks on chart, nine. Number five, Young Turks, Rod the Bod Stewart. Last week, five, peak position, five, weeks on chart, 13. Number six, Hard Money, Quarter Flash.

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