Fragile Ceasefire with Iran, Melania & Epstein, & The Greatest Data Heist in Chinese History | The Tom Bilyeu Show w. Michael Malice

What's up, guys? Today I’ve got a killer episode with the king of contrarians himself, Michael Malice. He’s a bestselling author, a master of trolling, and someone who knows exactly how to challenge conventional wisdom—especially when it comes to culture, politics, and the power structures that shape our world. Michael’s here to break down what’s actually happening right now on the global stage, why our alliances seem to be collapsing, and how the chaos in the world order is creating both danger and opportunity. We get real about the Middle East, about the psychological cracks in American politics, and what you need to understand right now to protect your future. If you want to leave this episode with a working understanding of how power really flows, why revolution rarely turns out the way you think, and what you can actually do to thrive no matter what’s coming, you need this conversation. As always, if you get value from the show, please leave a review and help us get Impact Theory in front of more people ready to take charge of their reality. I’m Tom Bilyeu, and welcome to Impact Theory. What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Ketone IQ: Visit https://ketone.com/IMPACT for 30% OFF your subscription orderSumm: code TOMVIP20 for 20% off your first year at https://summ.com?via=tombilyeu&coupon=TOMVIP20 https://summ.com?via=tombilyeu&coupon=TOMVIP20Monetary Metals: Future-proof your wealth at https://monetarymetals.com/impactAquaTru: 20% off your purifier with code IMPACT https://aquatru.comDuck. Ai: Protect your privacy at https://duck.ai/impactBlinkist: Start your free trial at https://blinkist.com/impactQuince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpodAT&T Business: Switch to AT&T Business at business.att.com http://business.att.comIncogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impactShopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:30Tom Bilyeu?

  which you guys know I'm obsessed with. I bring up very frequently my own. So I couldn't be more excited to have you, man. Thank you for joining us today.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  I could be more excited if it was later in the day.

• 1:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, yes, you've made that clear, Mr. Malice.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  This is the first time, I think, in 20 years that I've been awake this early. I'm not kidding at all. I happen to be coherent. So people say I can do podcasts in my sleep. Let's find out if that's true.

• 1:52Tom Bilyeu?

  We shall see, boys and girls. All right, we're also going to drag him into all of our conversations around Iran and all the stuff that's happening in the world. And starting with the ceasefire, which is hanging on by a thread after Israel bombed Lebanon. Trump posts an unhinged rant aimed at former supporters such as Alex Jones, Megyn Kelly and Candace Owens. Someone hacked a Chinese database and stole 10 petabytes of largely classified information. We'll see what they do with that. It is for sale on the dark web right now. So if we have any bidders, make sure you head over and take a look. A disgruntled employee burned a massive distribution center down because his employer

• 2:33Tom Bilyeu?

  wouldn't pay him more money. And Ro Khanna, friend of the pod, has surpassed Nancy Pelosi as the most effective trader in Congress. However, did he do it? We're going to talk about all of that and more. Michael, I really am excited to have you. For longtime viewers of my show, they will know that we have done things before. Been on your show, you've been on mine. You've done stand-up comedy, which may be something that my audience doesn't know about.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  You were the first one to see my set.

• 3:02Tom Bilyeu?

  I did. And to say that it was comedy as terrorism, I thought was a very active description.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  That's my love language.

• 3:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Well said.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Terror. I'm not even kidding.

• 3:13Tom Bilyeu?

  So that's who we've invited on the show today. Now, by way of quick tease, give them a little bit on the book, which has a very unusual setup.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  On wantedbook.com is the URL. We're already at the stretch goal, so I'm very excited about that. This is a book I started writing in 2000 when I was friends with Harvey Pecar. No, I became friends with Harvey Pecar of American Splendor fame because of this project. It's about a band from the 80s. It's a real-life spinal tap. And what Harvey and like graphic novels do that other projects really can't is take fun stories that are stranger than fiction and put them into the reader's hands. And I think there's such a long history of that alternative graphic novel scene, Peter Bag, Black Hole, and people like that. It's just, I'm really excited to be able to walk in the footsteps of these giants.

• 4:04Tom Bilyeu?

  That's exciting. So for those of you, if you only know Michael as an online personality, he's been writing books for a very long time, extraordinary books, I might add. And so to see you now turn that on to the graphic novel scene is extraordinary. I am a massive collector of graphic novels because as an art form, I think it's really extraordinary. And so, yeah, very interested in this. We'll talk more about it later. I'm excited for you guys to take a look at it. We are going to help, no matter what. So Michael's stretch goal is 15K. He's already almost there, 14,2 or something like that, as of when we went live. I'll get us that far easily, but would love anybody that wants to support the book. We'll have the link in chat.

• 4:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, please do. It's a pre-sale, so let's make sure that this book comes into

• 4:51Speaker 01

  And the good thing about the pre-sales, a lot of times with Kickstarter, they do a Kickstarter and then the book comes out in a year, it's done. So people can have in their hands in August, so that's

• 4:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah. So this isn't money that you're raising to make the book. The book is already finished.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 5:02Tom Bilyeu?

  We're just getting it out into the world.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 5:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, we'll talk more about Ripper's strategy, um, which is pretty interesting as we go. All right, boys and girls.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Let's jump into the news.

• 5:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's do it.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  From unusual whales, Iran was on the verge of responding to the ceasefire violation, but Pakistan intervened. Trump tweeted out that he got the ceasefire done. Hours later, there were attacks all through the Middle East. It seems like the ceasefire is hanging on by a thread. Catch us up.

• 5:25Tom Bilyeu?

  By a thread, man. So I don't think that this is long for the world, but depending on who you believe, the ceasefire was either technically violated pretty much immediately after going into effect, uh, as Iran was still bombing Israel and some of the other GCC countries. And then Israel is still, as of right now, bombing Lebanon. So just hours after the ceasefire was declared, the UAE said that its air defenses were actively engaging incoming Iranian ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and drones. Bahrain also reported, uh, attacks that injured two people. Qatar intercepted seven ballistic missiles and drones. This is all during the ceasefire. And Saudi Arabia had to issue nationwide civil defense warnings.

• 6:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Iran claimed that post the ceasefire, the GCC strikes were just retaliation for a hit on Iranian oil facilities on Levon Island, which they attributed to an enemy attack, essentially saying the ceasefire was already being violated by the other guys. It's always the other guys. The IRGC simultaneously put out a statement saying that their finger was on the trigger. That's a direct quote. And they had no trust in US promises. This is, this is a great setup to a ceasefire that we can all get behind. Now, the US, for its part, is making similar statements. And clearly, Israel still hasn't taken their finger off of the trigger at all.

• 6:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, and by the way, the Strait of Hormuz still hasn't opened despite that being a condition of the ceasefire. Only five vessels have crossed the strait on Wednesday, seven on Thursday, and as of right now, more than 600 vessels remain stranded in the Gulf. And Trump said that he's only going to do a ceasefire if the strait is completely open. So that's what we're going into the negotiations with. Now, the United States has more than 50,000 troops deployed across the Middle East, roughly 10,000 above the pre-conflict baseline, and that number is climbing. CENTCOM is overseeing the largest American force posture in the region in years, and new assets keep arriving every day. Marines

• 7:32Tom Bilyeu?

  from San Diego are being transferred directly into the theater. The 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, that's over 2,000 Marines and sailors departed aboard the USS Boxer Amphibious Ready Group in mid-March, with the 82nd Airborne also on their way. And the schedule seems to be accelerating with people arriving there day after day. So this is not exactly what I would call ceasefire posture. Many are saying that what's really going on is that Trump is using the ceasefire to build up more troops and prepare for a continued assault. Seems pretty likely, or at least that he wants his options open to that. So I would not expect this ceasefire to last very long. Michael Malice, what do you think? This is last, or are we gonna break it?

• 8:15Speaker 01

  I think it's interesting that you and I independently came to the same conclusion because I think even though we're very different people, you're a very clear-headed person, I'm not necessarily. But I remember on Monday, everyone was thumbing at the mouth, not everyone, lots of people, Trump has lost his mind, you have the 25th Amendment him, he's gonna nuke Tehran. And it's just like, I remember the first term, he was gonna nuke North Korea, and North Korea is like, Kim Jong-un, you're gonna face fire and fury like the world's never seen? Now it's gonna be, he said to Iran, death, fire and fury, which is obviously much worse. It's clearly a negotiating tactic he's used over and over. I don't understand at this point how people are falling for it or thinking he's crazy. And we saw it because as you said, the Strait of Hormuz was not opened, and we were told Tuesday night, I think it was 8:00 PM Eastern, if the

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Is not opened, that he's gonna blow up every bridge in Iran. He's gonna blow up all their power plants and a civilization will be wiped off the face of the earth. I'm paraphrasing his exact quote.

• 9:09Tom Bilyeu?

  That's pretty close.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  The strait's not open and crickets. So I think it is very plausible what you're saying. He's prepping for a ground invasion. But this threat of like, we're gonna bomb them back to the Stone Age where they belong. That was the quote I remember. They're not. So I, people often say that Trump should be taken seriously, but not literally. And his opponents take him literally, but not seriously. How are you taking him literally when it's been clearly shown that this was a bluff?

• 9:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I, so.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Thank God, by the way.

• 9:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, right. That's the thing. And hearing people, the thing that drives me crazy about the taco condemnations is that they, they should be praising him for that.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 9:48Tom Bilyeu?

  This is somebody that's saying, listen, I'm intellectually flexible. And so, yes, I said I was gonna do all this stuff. But PS, by the way, you all hated when I said that I was going to do it. So now I'm not doing it. What's your response? You're mocking me for it. It's like, kids. So you're literally trying to incentivize him to go full psychopath.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't understand.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  You do understand because I think the internet is there to gin up people's agitation. And no matter what you do, if you don't like, people don't run a true false filter. They run an us them filter. And if Trump is a them, no matter what he does, he can't do anything right, right? And if you're a MAGA person, a full blown MAGA person, no matter what Trump does, he can't do anything wrong. And you, you see this a lot of time on social media and it's discouraging and disheartening. But it's, it's kind of par for the course at this point.

• 10:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Speaking of discouraging and disheartening, so I have a default algorithm running in my brain that. So first of all, my base assumption is this is a deterministic universe. We are automata. We, we do not have the ability to change. And therefore, the reason that history repeats is that we just respond in pretty knowable ways en masse.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:54Tom Bilyeu?

  And that the only thing that history has shown can turn the course on something like this. Once it ratchets up to, and the thing that's ratcheting up is the psychological contagion that people get into. And the only thing that ends up reversing course is pain and suffering. And so that we get to this point as an automata that's like, yeah, I don't like this anymore. And so now I'm willing to go in another direction. Do you hold out more hope that there is something else that will like Trump will negotiate this? Well, and we'll get on the other side and things will calm down. Or how do you see a reunification of some sort of sensible, enjoyable, productive world order? We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead. So don't go anywhere.

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• 14:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Well, I think there's that quote about compromise is something everyone can live with, but nobody likes. I think that's something that's going to happen in Ukraine and Russia as well. And it's no one's going to be happy with how that ends. Or maybe Putin will be happy, maybe Zelensky, but I don't think they really will. The thing, a lot of people in the Middle East, it's not just Israel, hate Iran. I've been to Bodrum, Turkey, which is like a resort town. They are not fans of this whole kind of like hijab kind of culture. They're very westernized and there's other pockets Dubai is obviously trying to become and successfully has become a city of the world. So this is an issue for them. At the same time, if I'm Iran, this is, there's something so frustrating, and I'm sure you feel the same way,

• 14:46Speaker 01

  that any kind of empathy, which is meaning seeing things from other people's point of view is regarded somehow wrong in this country. It's like, if you say, let's look at things from the Iranian point of view, it's like, oh, you want Iran to win? It's like, no, but these are people who have values and they have weapons and they will act to further values using their weapons insofar as necessary for them. We just, if, if another country just dropped a bomb on the White House, we're not going to be like, you know what, just kind of cut us a check for reparations and we're going to be square. At the same time, if you are Iran and you genuinely believe, as I think they no longer do, that there's a lunatic in the White House and he's about to nuke us, then very quickly could be like, okay, hey buddy, let's take a deep breath. How can we work together here? You know, he cut his, he got elected.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  2016 pretending to be this big deal maker. And in many cases, that's true, the Abraham Accords being one prime example. But you really put them into a corner. Because how are you going to maintain your hold on power as the Iranian government? If your people see you weak and there's a huge movement in your country that regards your rule as illegitimate. The second you show that weakness, your neck is on the line. So they really have a lot of, and the straight of harm moves. They've got the rest of the world, if I can use a bad expression by the short hairs. It's like, I don't blame them for being like, yeah, we're exposing you, Trump as a fraud.

• 16:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, the, uh, the fact that this is existential on both sides is something that I don't think people are putting into their calculation nearly enough. For Trump, if he, if he loses the midterms, he will get impeached. They will hound him even after he's out of office. If Republicans aren't in control, I think that they will try to imprison him. And I think he's certainly running that algorithm. And then obviously, Trump is actively trying to get regime change, whether he says it's his goal or not. When you kill that many people, clearly you're after something. So for them, it's existential, also for the reason that you said, that their own people will come in and turn them over.

• 16:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, one of the things I can't build an accurate mental model for is what percentage of Iranians want? The theocracy and what percentage want to go back to like sort of pre 1979 status? Do you have a sense like, are you able to get a read on?

• 17:03Speaker 01

  I think you and I and everyone else can, because the ones who want that are here. Like they're the ones who fled Iran 1979. Everyone, I mean, people in cities know Persian communities, they're the Persian diaspora. So the, especially the ones who are the powerful ones, the leaders, they had to flee when the Shah fell. First of all, by the way, this is just an important thing about 1979. Cause the Shah was like, oh, you're, he's terrible, he's terrible. There's always this idea that whenever someone's a terrible leader, you gotta get them out. And it's like, guys, it can always get worse. So the people were like, the Shah's the devil, we gotta get rid of the Shah, F the Shah. You got rid of the Shah and look what happened afterwards. So the idea that the alternative to a terrible leader is going to be a better. Leader is not true. It could be the choices are bad and worse.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  I don't think even no matter what percentage of people in Iran want regime change or want this the actually go away. I don't think they have clout. I don't think they really it's not a democracy in the sense of the West with, you know, human rights being respected. So how many thousands were just literally killed by this regime five minutes ago?

• 18:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Depends on who you believe somewhere between 3,000 and like 40,000.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  At least at least the nine 11 right at least 3,000 people. So and the Kurds, you know, were encouraged to rise up with like, no, no, hey, we saw this song before. We know what's going to happen. You're going to encourage us to rise up. Then you're going to turn your backs on us. We're all going to get slaughtered. So they were smart enough not to do anything about it. So I I think this regime has a hold on power. That's pretty strong. And I think it's going to be very hard to put someone in there who's going to be like, all right, I'm going to shake hands with the US and Israel after what they just did. I don't I don't see how that happens. But the other thing is, no matter what happens, I think Trump's going to call it a win.

• 18:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, yes.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  You know, and he could say with a straight face. Oh, you know, we bombed their nuclear facilities back to the Stone Age as he did previously. This is the second time we're bombing their nuclear facilities. So I don't know. I think the midterms were going to be a wash anyway for the Republicans, just simply because of the gun of the economy.

• 18:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Yeah. As of right now, as I've said many times, they're on a one way collision course with losing the midterms because people just aren't going to feel it in their pocket. The new economic data is coming out. And last month, they were expecting 2% 2.2% growth. I think it got 0.5. So it's rough, man. It is rough. So though I use this analogy before, I'll be interested to see what you think about it. So there's a jellyfish that can live forever. It essentially becomes like it decent integrates down into these pluripotent cells that then rebuild. And so barring trauma, it will just keep doing that forever. But when you're in that undifferentiated pluripotent state, you're just a blob. That's what the world order feels

• 19:36Tom Bilyeu?

  like to me right now. It's this insanely dangerous thing where all these alliances that used to create some sort of skeletal structure to the world and how things work. It's just all like becoming blobby.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  My autism is being triggered because that jellyfish. Not dangerous and doesn't have a skeleton.

• 19:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Not dangerous. I didn't say it was dangerous.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  You well, you said the world order is dangerous. So if you're gonna call it the.

• 19:55Tom Bilyeu?

  The the fact that it has disintegrated.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And that you don't have stable alliances puts you at risk.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  I'm just saying you're not it doesn't port to the jellyfish because that jellyfish is not dangerous. And jellyfish doesn't have a skeleton. So that's why my autism is being triggered here.

• 20:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  So if you're gonna use the metaphor, use this, use the accurate geological metaphor. Point being, we are in dangerous territory because I can go country by country in Europe. And they all have are collapsing from a binary. Or you would have you would have in different countries, like let's suppose Sweden. You'd have the two main parties, center left, center right party. And each of those would have ancillary parties, right? But in country after country, UK is a prime example. Since World War Two or even before that, you'd have the Tories and Labour. And then the third party was the Liberals and later became the Lib Dems. Now, in the all British polls, Reform, Varadja's party is clearly in first. And you have a second tier of five different parties. So the electorate's being split six ways as opposed to two. And how do you form coalitions like this?

• 20:55Speaker 01

  It's going to be something that's very, very tricky. We saw this in Iceland. They had like, I think, ten people, ten parties in parliament. The Czech Republic now has reconsolidated to four. They don't have any left wing parties anymore except for the pirates. So with the rise of social media, it's a lot harder in some ways for the two establishment parties of countries to corral their people. Because if you look at just Coca Cola, you can go to the store right now and get eight kinds of Coke. Or more than eight kinds, caffeine, diet, cherry, cherry diet, cherry, whatever. So it's harder and harder to tell people you have to pick Republican or Democrat. And people get disaffected with the system. And while I do see that's an opportunity, when people get disaffected with systems.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  It's also there's a trade off, which is like if enough people like screw this. Lots of bad things often can end up happening.

• 21:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, no doubt about that. What do you think is going to be the outcome of the negotiations? We've got Steve Whitkoff, Jared Kushner, replaced with, I don't know who the full delegation is, but led by J.D. Vance.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  How do you, you're a negotiator, you're a businessman. How do you sit down? First of all, it's really funny because Trump, not to say funny, but really disturbing that Trump was bragging about like, oh, we're killing all their leaders. Well, then who's in a position to negotiate with you, right? Like, isn't that kind of important to have some guy that's considered down? So Iran, to my understanding, has several power centers. You have the military, you have the theocracy, and then you have the secular-ish kind of government. I don't know who they're negotiating with. Each of those three is going to have their own agenda. All three are going to do what they can to maintain their hold on power, and you can't blame them. So I don't see what they're being offered when they're sitting pretty and they're humiliating their opponents on the world stage. The guy's body isn't even cold yet.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  So there's an enormous incentive for Iran to keep this going. I, it's, I, do you think it's going to be going on through November?

• 22:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, no, I think Trump will back out, but I think that it will. I think as of right now, I don't see any indication that we won't be in a worse position than if we hadn't gone in.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that seems plausible to me as well.

• 23:02Tom Bilyeu?

  So I think that they'll have control of the strait. I think they'll open it back up because they have to from their own economic standpoint, but they'll start charging a toll. They will assert, we control this space, and the U.S. has basically abdicated their willingness to be the global police. So sea lanes basically are no longer open and free. I don't think anybody else has the ability to stop them from doing that. And so then it becomes a bigger question. Okay, then what happens to the Red Sea? Do we get the Houthis, which are a proxy of Iran? Do they take that over as well and start charging tolls there? And then, of course, the GCC countries will start doing things over land. But all of that is going to make this all that much more expensive, that much more high risk.

• 23:45Tom Bilyeu?

  And this gets into where we start losing allies who

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Right now can tolerate what Trump did, but when you're someone like Japan, it gets real hard to root for the US. If your entire populace is like, hold on a second. All of our energy costs, which is now just blanket inflation is how it will read is because that asshole went in. And then it, he bounced when he got what he needed theoretically.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Because, so that, not just Japan, but many people will have a reaction like that because here's the really brutal part that I'm not sure how many people are paying attention to. If we quote unquote, lose and Trump backs out. That will be really good for us because America makes so much energy that there will be places in the world now that'll be like, okay, we're just going to do energy from the US. So the US now has a much stronger energy position. Our oil companies are making a ton of money hand over fist. And so Japan is like, wait a second, your guys' GDP is growing because of what you did. I'm in fucking dire straits over here because of what you did.

• 24:51Tom Bilyeu?

  And Europe will be in a similar situation where, you know, they're either going to have to choose, do we buy from the US? Do we buy from the completely embattled Middle East?

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Or do we go to Russia? If we buy from Russia, fuck, we hurt ourselves because of the war in Ukraine. So now we've got to buy from America that put us in this position in the first place. So it's like, America's going to come out in a pretty good economic position anyway.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Let me jump in really quick because there's some speculation about that because right now we have the Spanish PM. We got the Australian PM and we got the United Kingdom PM all condemning this attack. Some people are even going as far as condemning Israel and his attacks with Lebanon and just saying there's a whole problem in the Middle East in general.

• 25:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  So it's very easy for us to be, to say, we'll go to the North America, everybody will buy oil from us. Where Iran was giving grants to Spain to get their charters through. There was speculation that the EU and 39 other countries sat down to actually figure out how to open up the strait. So is there a possibility, one, that Iran could just cut direct deals and cut us out? And then two, are there any lasting ramifications to us alienating our allies? Both Israel and us versus the world? World is that a world order or a unity we can sustain?

• 25:58Speaker 01

  I know specifically Spain and UK both have center-left social democrat PMs. And they're both under huge fire because right now in Spain, the the third party, I forget what it's called. They're the nationalist party. They're surging really hard in the polls. And in in UK specifically, obviously Farage's reform is way ahead. And Starmer's facing in in May, local elections, which look like the regular party might come in fourth or even fifth. Which is complete disastrous. So it looks like his time at number 10 is numbered. So I think what they're trying to

• 26:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Putin just straight clowned on him.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think what they're trying to do is at least rally their base, which is going to be the left-wing half of their respective countries. But to your point, I think it's very clear that there that a lot of these people want to be like, this wasn't on us, Trump's crazy, let us get our oil through. And to your point, Iran's saying we control the state of Hormuz, like they de facto do. So at a certain point, it just becomes de jour.

• 26:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, it's really going to come down, Drew, to nail that point home. It's going to come down to how stably and at what cost they can get the oil out of the Middle East. Because if you're getting like a real fight between Iran and say the UAE. Because part of what I think people are missing is that the GCC countries are not in love with Iran. So this is not like some, oh, the Middle East is looking at America going, what the fuck? It's the Middle East already have their own beef. They're in Trump's ear. Like in the beginning, they were trying to be coy about it and they were saying like, oh, you shouldn't do this. These are Islamic countries, leave us alone. But behind the scenes being like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go fuck these kids up.

• 27:36Tom Bilyeu?

  And then they thought by keeping their nose clean that Iran would keep it all to Israel, to American bases, and they didn't. And they started like just going ham, like bombing everybody in the region. And so that's going to be a question of US leaves. Do they just go, we don't want to fight? And so they're doing things over land, they're coming up with deals? Or is there now enough resentment or enough economic damage that they're forced to fight? And so now that region becomes like these constant pockets of violence that raises insurance costs, tolls go up because of Iran. And now it's like, shit is just unsettled enough there that people are looking for alternatives.

• 28:16Tom Bilyeu?

  And your alternatives are literally Venezuela, which is US controlled, the US directly or Russia. If you're Europe, you're definitely not going to Russia. So if the things in the Middle East calm down, uh, US doesn't have as much leverage.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  And they're already holding our debt. So I mean, we get the discount.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  I don't know that you're saying that we definitely, they definitely go to Russia. First of all, it wasn't it, I please clarify me for me.

• 28:39Tom Bilyeu?

  You think they might go to Russia?

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Hold on, but wasn't it explicit that UAE and Saudi were telling Trump that you guys should go through with this? Like, I thought they admitted it, right? This isn't just speculation. Okay.

• 28:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Well, they've said, I don't know that they said you should go through this, but they have said, we support.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 28:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Our ally and we're doubling down on our engagement with.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  So it wasn't, it was pretty clear that they were, uh, whose side they're on.

• 29:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. Once the first bombs, they could drop the pretense.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Right. That's right.

• 29:04Tom Bilyeu?

  And so now they're like, we're in.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Uh, we're talking about incentives. Like, you know, we remember Hillary Clinton was with Russia, the big reset button. So it's very, it's very possible that Europe sits down Zelensky and says, okay, we're going to cut our losses with Ukraine. You're going to make a deal with Putin. And they could be like, oh, look, Europe brought peace that Trump couldn't, uh, bring. Now we're all friends again. We're going to take oil from Russia. You can imagine them saying that pretty easily.

• 29:28Tom Bilyeu?

  You're right. I isn't on my bingo card for right now, but it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility. That would be very interesting. Um, have you seen Zelensky is floating this idea? He didn't use the word new NATO, but I'll use it. So same idea that a group of countries minus the US would get together and try to basically overpower Russia. And so it was like the new entrants were Turkey, uh, somebody else, maybe just Ukraine, but, uh, it was an interesting coalition of Europe, Turkey, um, Ukraine.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Norway and the UK.

• 30:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Norway. Thank you. And yeah, I guess technically.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  I don't, I, I think, I don't see almost any situation where Europe is going to give forces to any significant extent to Ukraine.

• 30:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Really?

• 30:12Speaker 01

  You think they would? How are you gonna sell that to the British?

• 30:16Tom Bilyeu?

  The only way that would move forward is if, when the US, if the US were to pull out of NATO.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:22Tom Bilyeu?

  And these guys realize that they have to re-militarize. And then something happens in the war that pushes it beyond stalemate.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 30:31Tom Bilyeu?

  So if something, if Russia were able to start making progress, because it'll stay a proxy war.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:37Tom Bilyeu?

  As long as it can.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Right, exactly.

• 30:39Tom Bilyeu?

  But at some point, something has to cause this to go in a direction.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:44Tom Bilyeu?

  It could be oil and that we need oil and then something like what you're saying plays out. It could be that Russia starts actually making inroads once the US is not engaged and not giving the kind of weapons that they need. So, um, or God, if China, Russia, Iran, North Korea begin to solidify their allegiance. And then China starts really helping Russia, uh, Iran starts. If Iran is able to calm everything down with the US and then they have bandwidth to start helping out Russia. That could make that a breaking point that starts pushing into Europe. Not something I think is likely, just.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  No, it's coherent. That's a coherent, uh, uh, possibility.

• 31:27Tom Bilyeu?

  So we'll see.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  But I think it'd be very hard to sell war to the Europeans.

• 31:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Agreed aggressively.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:33Tom Bilyeu?

  But energy has a way of making people make hard decisions. And they've made such idiotic choices with their green policies that energy in Europe is ridiculous.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  So since the Labour Party in the UK is so unpopular now, it's the Green Party that is surging. And they're the ones who make Keir Starmer look like Margaret Thatcher. So they're, they're, they're real loons. They just had, they won their first by-election, uh, I believe in May. Uh, sorry, like in March and they're the ones who are surging into the polls.

• 32:02Tom Bilyeu?

  The Green Party?

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  So they have this progressive Islam alliance. That's their, their, that's their, um, kind of backers.

• 32:12Tom Bilyeu?

  More to be said about that.

• 32:15Tom Bilyeu?

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• 33:26Speaker 02

  All right, speaking of factions, especially on the right, Trump went against everybody, calling out Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, Alex Jones. Each of them came and had their own tweet responses. He called them a bunch of nut job troublemakers. Is this actually a problem? Or on Truth Social, people are definitely pushing back against it. So I'm not going to read the half a page sheet.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Holy crap.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  This is one of those.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  This is how boomers tweet.

• 33:50Tom Bilyeu?

  It's like 500 words. This is literally like a deep dive script.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  I'm sorry to hear that, or you know, whatever. I'm not reading all that. It's one of those situations.

• 33:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm sorry or congratulations.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm happy for you. I'm sorry that happened.

• 34:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this is wild. There's probably a few bits and pieces that I do want people to hear because it's pretty crazy. He's saying that Candace Owens, Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson all have one thing in common: low IQs. They're stupid people. They know it. Their families know it and everyone else knows it. And it just literally goes on and on like that. They lost their jobs on TV. Nobody wants to hear from them. They're just dumb and they have no good ideas. Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty crazy.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  These so-called pundits are losers and they always will be.

• 34:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Or bankrupt Alex Jones, who just was one of the dumbest things and lost his entire fortune as he should for his horrendous attack on the families of Sandy Hook shooting victims.

• 34:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Ridiculously came in as a hook and Alex Jones was Team Trump, so.

• 34:45Tom Bilyeu?

  What's interesting about this is there's such a civil war going on right now within the right. And so you keep hearing polls, even from CNN, that like Republicans are united in the mega wing. And then there's just these fringe characters that are outside of that. I don't pay enough attention to the actual different personalities within that. Do you have a read on whether this is fringe or whether the Republican Party is really starting to break apart?

• 35:11Speaker 01

  So I have Alex Jones tinfoil hat hanging on my wall in my house, which you've seen. So, and I wrote a book about this whole space called The New Right, which came out in 2019, I believe. I think this isn't crazy because I think this is how Trump speaks to his strong base. So Trump likes to kind of send people to the wilderness and basically say this person's outgroup now. I remember in his first term, he did with Steve Bannon, saying, oh, sloppy Steve was on his knees, begging for his job back and blah, blah, blah. So he's very good at telling his loyal rabid fans who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. I don't think what this is fringe in the sense that you don't have to be a Megyn Kelly

• 35:52Speaker 01

  or Alex Jones fan to be, to be a Republican or right of center and be like, what the heck are we doing with Iran? And I remember I was on Tim Cast and we watched Trump give that speech. And he was just like, everything's great, Iran's destroyed, like, or if you don't do what we want, we're going to kill you more. It's like, but you just said they were destroyed. And Tim had to play Marco Rubio's clip, which was far more coherent, which is not surprising in retrospect, where he laid out the bullet points of the objectives of the US, you know, with this conflict. I mean, I think this is par for the course with Trump, but the premise of my book, which has come to fruition. Is these disparate factions which combined to create the Trump coalition in 2016 and even

• 36:33Speaker 01

  stronger in 2024, the only thing they had in common was a hatred of progressivism. And if you take away progressivism, a cultural force, which it is on the backwagon in terms of DC, not in terms of a culture, all of a sudden, these people realize they don't really have that much in common, this being US interventionism abroad being a prime example. So it's not all surprising, especially Alex Jones of all people, to be like, like this war in Iran is crazy, this is the new world order, you know, coming to fruition, not one more penny of American tribute should be spent on, you know, war in the Middle East. So yeah, I'm not surprised that Alex and these others took this position.

• 37:09Tom Bilyeu?

  And if you had like rough swag, is this like a 50 50 split in terms of voting base? Or?

• 37:14Speaker 01

  I get asked this question all the time, and I, this is a question I ask myself all the time, because if you go on Twitter, you're going to have a certain perspective, and then you go in the supermarket, it's going to be completely different. And the issue, this has been issue even for Nixon, where Nixon was running, you know, in for president 60 and then 60 and 72, is you have to get through the primary, and you're, you're talking to the base, and then after you get through the base, you can tack to the general, to the center for the general. That's getting harder and harder to do, because if I'm a candidate and I'm tweeting something in October, having gotten through the primary, my opponent can throw things in my face, or my fans, former fans could be like, you're selling us out.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  I had this tweet about Lucy and the football with peanuts, JD Vance being an anti-war Republicans, because I think people are sick and tired of politicians claiming I'm anti-war, and they go, and Trump, you know, Woodrow Wilson, 1916, with his campaign slogan was, he has kept us out of war, months later, we're in World War I. Trump has been denouncing action Iran for a long time. At the same time, he's been denouncing the Iranian regime for decades, you know, in his head, I think to some extent, this is finishing, uh, what should have been finished a long time ago when they took American hostages. So I think it's getting, I do not envy JD Vance, because he's trying to walk like two tightrods simultaneously, and I don't think he's doing a good job of it, but he's only one person.

• 38:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, it's interesting. I, the same way that I have a hard time getting a read on what percentage of the populace was willing to rise up and get shot in Iran versus who wants the theocratic regime, I have a similar sense of like, I, or inability to gain a real sense of, okay, in real life, what percentage of this base is for and against Trump. But it, the amount of chaos and inability to track what the narrative is, I think is going to make it impossible for Trump to keep the coalition together. There's just so much noise. The volume and velocity of information that social media allows for, when you start fragmenting your amplifiers, like if you've got, I mean, what's he got,

• 39:24Tom Bilyeu?

  10 to 20 people that he can reliably count on, they have a big audience and they'll say the thing, and now a substantive portion of them are not saying the thing anymore. Now the narrative begins to fracture and people don't know what words to say.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:37Tom Bilyeu?

  I've often said that part of what will always limit my growth on social media is that I have no interest in giving people the words to say. So I'm trying to map cause and effect. And so if somebody wants to hear me talk, that's what they're going to hear. I'm trying to figure out, okay, somewhere in this, because I believe, and I think maybe we have a bit of a collision, but I believe that we live in a deterministic universe, we're automata, we respond in like these knowable ways, that it's like, oh, you can map this stuff out. They're very complex systems to be sure, so nobody sees the future clearly, but you can really get a lot of useful information if you go, there's cause and effect here.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 40:13Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, but that doesn't give people bumper stickers. The people that have been talking up to this point were giving everybody the bumper stickers. So when their left-leaning friend was talking, then they could come in with their right-leaning talking points. And they felt like, ah, cool. It's like two supervill, or two superheroes shooting, you know, their red flame and the blue flame, and they just sort of stop in the middle. But now that's all going away. And so I don't know if Trump, given the state of the economy, given like how unpredictable the war is, and now you're losing the people that were saying the thing for you, it's going to be pretty tough to come back from.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  I just remember very vividly in 2020, when They ran the table on him all year on everything, right? The COVID times like he just kept folding, folding, folding, folding. At the same time, I think there's a huge crack in the system in the Republican Party because I don't think the donors like J D Vance as much as the base likes J D Vance. They clearly like Rubio much more. He's much more of a reliable Republican. I think the other thing people need to appreciate when people who are Trump haters from the Republican Party think he hasn't done more. I'm like, guys, you don't have the House, right? You're not in a position, there's like a one seat majority that doesn't function as a majority. You're not going to get the mega agenda through the House. And you have to appreciate that of those Republican senators, there are plenty who would be more than happy if it sued

• 41:32Speaker 01

  their interests to remove him from office if there was an impeachment bill that crossed their desk. Collins in two seconds, Mercosse in two seconds, and that's just Rand Paul would not be that's three already. So you're ready at 53. You need what 67. I don't think they were they're worried about their reelection. They're worried about their bottom line. This guy has what a little over like two years left in office. You know, they're at a certain point, you're gonna cut, you're gonna fish or cut bait.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Do you think that J D Vance is the future of the Republican Party? I'm thinking 2028. Is it him? Is it Rubio? Is it some, you know, Massey or Rand Paul or somebody like that? Who do you think has that cultural energy now that all these podcasts are kind of abandoning Trump?

• 42:11Speaker 01

  I don't, I think J D Vance is thinks he's smarter than Trump in all the ways that don't matter. I think he and Elon did the same bet with Trump. They thought, I'm gonna use this dolt from their perspective, and I'm gonna use him to further my agenda. But Trump is really smart in ways that J D isn't, which is he understands politics until five minutes ago. And he understands how to work a crowd. He's got that kind of once in a generation political talent. I think J D, the swing voter in America is Karen. And I think Karen hates J D Vance because he comes off as smarmy. And that internet's snark, which I'm certainly a fan of and proponent of, doesn't really work when you're young. And when you don't have, you know, a resume behind you. Everyone likes the winner. When you're a loser, all of a sudden, everyone's more than

• 42:56Speaker 01

  happy to throw you overboard. And how is J D going to run? Because this Trump is Hypersensitive to people who he perceives as disloyal. So the second JD starts backpedaling on some things that Trump's done, it's gonna be really ugly for him.

• 43:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so far JD has shown that if the leaks can be believed, that behind the scenes he'll tell Trump, I think this is a bad idea.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 43:18Tom Bilyeu?

  But that he'll signal, I'm gonna back you on this. And then he does a pretty loyal job.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 43:24Tom Bilyeu?

  In terms of directly answering who's the future of the party, right now Rubio is the only other real contender. Now, we're a long way away, so you never know what's actually gonna happen. But Rubio is the only other real contender. For someone with my personality, anyway, I'm far more interested in Rubio. I haven't seen anybody on the Democrat side that I would even consider. But the problem is that Rubio himself clearly sees some path where if I back JD Vance, that I'm gonna get my shot. And so he keeps saying that JD is the next one that's gonna be running. I'm gonna support him with everything I have. Those two talk about being best friends in the administration. And so, listen, this is me with a writer's hat on,

• 44:09Tom Bilyeu?

  but me click clacking on a keyboard. I would say it looks something like this. You've got Peter Thiel as a stand in for whatever cabal of people who've realized it's time to go behind the scenes. That includes Elon Musk. And it's like, okay, who are we gonna get into the White House? JD's gonna be our guy. We love us some Rubio, but Rubio, you need to wait your turn. We've got a plan. JD's way more in their pocket than I would expect Rubio to be. Rubio is a little more true blue politician.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 44:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Knows how to play the game, but really has like an agenda. And so he's gonna be a bit more wild cardy, which is what I love about him. It really feels like he's trying to tell you what he thinks is actually real. So if Rubio has bought into that, and it seems like he has, it's like, I'm not gonna try to beat these guys. He's too shrewd for that. But he gets like, okay, we could have a real legendary run if Trump doesn't fuck all this up. So.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  It's a big if.

• 45:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Right now, it seems impossible. But that's the bet that they made.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, here's the other thing. If it's April 2014. Right? And I sat down here and I said, Tom W., the future of the Republican Party is Donald Trump. You would try not to laugh at my face. And I say, well, you bet me half a billion dollars. And you were like, oh, easy money. And that's what ended up happening. So we don't even know JD's going to run.

• 45:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  I think this stuff with, with his wife is, which shows not things that she's particularly a fan of. We don't even know if Newsom's gonna run. Uh, my theory, and I talked to Mark Halpern about this, and he said it's his theory as well, is if JD starts to falter, some other Republicans in the race, not even intending to win, but it's a great way to build your brand identity, book deals, speaking gigs. Your donors are funding your run. You don't have to do anything. And if, if there's a crack in the fissure, then Rubio or somebody else can, can, um, step in and be like, all right, you know, I'm, I'm trying to save the party. So I think Rubio is trying to, Rubio, sorry, Vance is giving Hillary 2008 energy where it's like, look, I'm the guy. It's already, let's work, we're the general, like it's resolved.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  And at certain point, someone's gonna say like, you know what? Maybe you're not the guy. So he's not been nationally tested. Um, obviously he's been Trump's VP, but he hasn't run on his own before, like Rubio has. So I, I think there's a lot of donors who'd be more than happy to open their wallets and fund somebody who they don't like, um, military people. If I'm someone part of the war machine and I'm not confident in JD Vance being a war president, I'm gonna pour that money to Rubio or Rubio surrogate. Why wouldn't I? Cause I'm gonna lose billions if we have a peace president.

• 46:41Tom Bilyeu?

  That's interesting. That's dark, but yeah.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  That's how it works?

• 46:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah. No, for sure.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  I think it's a continuation of the war machine though, because right now JD Vance is in Iran negotiating. Is this just him trying to clean up after Trump? Or is this, to your point, kind of ushering his Cinderella moment of, look, I can handle the big thing. This is me getting out there. This is me doing something and getting under, out of Trump's shadow.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  If I'm Raytheon, I'm not confident in a president JD Vance in furthering my agenda.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Are you confident in President Marco Rubio?

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting. That's almost bad news for me, but the thing about JD, at least if the news can be believed is that Iran asked for him. So I don't know what that tells us about Whitkoff and Kirchner. I don't know if, you know, there's something to read there where those guys have too much of a sort of privateer agenda. I don't know. But I thought it was interesting that they were asking for him. So you either ask for him because you think he's more reasonable, because you think he's weaker, or you just don't know who else to reach for. And the other two guys are just like, absolutely not. Like, we're not going to go back.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I think they're asking for him because they can clearly tell he thought this was a mistake. And he's the one who's going to try to get them to an exit ramp that everyone can kind of deal with.

• 47:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that seems very reasonable from the back channel stuff that leaks out about theoretically. Again, I don't have any insider information, but that that's certainly the word on the street that he told Trump, I think this is a mistake. We should not do it, but if you do it, I'll back you.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  But you saw that there were people. So there are two ways of looking at this. There were those photos that came out when the attack happened. And it's Vance, Tulsi, and a couple of other people basically at the kids' table, right? And the question is, okay, there were a few articles about how this is humiliating JD Vance. Some people were saying this 40 chess. This is Vance saying, look, I had clean hands. I wasn't involved with this. Some people also said, oh, you're not going to have the president, vice president, same room with stuff like this is popping off. And I'm like, we saw that photo when bin Laden was getting killed and Hillary's secretary of state Hillary's there, vice president Biden and Obama, they're all in the same room together. So I wasn't buying it.

• 48:39Tom Bilyeu?

  That photo up.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Right. And I think it was, it's, there's clearly some faction in the White House that is doing what they can to undermine JD Vance.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  And to marginalize him. I don't think, and Tulsi especially.

• 48:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you think that's a pushback on Peter Thiel? And he's a stand in for me for all those guys? Or is it really just about JD?

• 49:04Speaker 01

  I think it's the war people don't think JD is one of them and they're correct. So they're doing what they can to kind of pull the rug out from under him.

• 49:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, be careful of the, uh, that was it?

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Military industrial complex.

• 49:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Military industrial complex. Yeah. It's so wild. Like that kind of stuff is always deeply distressing. This idea that there are these forces behind the scenes that remain as invisible as possible that are able to pull people through. Uh, it's very, very fascinating.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  But I don't know if it's necessary. So you could steal that and say it's not distressing because it's a good thing to have continuity and stability. So this one, the reason we have the Supreme Court, which is lifetime appointments, you're not going to have the law rewritten every few years, right? So the argument, which is not something I necessarily hold to myself, is you want that kind of shadow government because no matter who happens to win a vote in four years, the country is still going to remain at some level stable. That's the argument for it.

• 49:54Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's a very good argument. My problem is, and this is exactly how I feel about the economy. Dead is phenomenal. It is truly a miracle. However, it grows toxic, always and forever, every time without exception. And so you have this thing that gives you the world of abundance that we see, but then it also gives you the K-shaped economy that ensures that ultimately there's a revolution and people are burning distribution centers down.

• 50:20Tom Bilyeu?

  So yes, you get the stability, but you also get people that have their own agenda and are saying to themselves some variant of you're going to be gone in four years and I'm still going to be here. So I'm going to drag my feet, ignore you, not do what you want. Uh, and pull against you. And the more that things like Project Veritas reveal, like how much these people have political agendas that I did not vote for, and they're able to pull so incredibly well in a direction, uh, it's pretty traumatizing. And I don't know why, but my audience absolutely does not respond positively when I talk about Israel and the Jews and which makes me want to talk about it more. It is the contrarian me. So here we go, boys.

• 51:01Tom Bilyeu?

  This is exactly, I think, part of the issue with the Israel lobby is the more I started researching, like, so I don't buy for a second that, um, certainly Trump and America in general, I don't believe that we're puppets to Israel. And I don't believe that because the data is so obvious that we're not. Um, we can walk through what that is, but like, anyway, that's my belief. But when I look at-

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Oh, you got the call.

• 51:26Tom Bilyeu?

  I have, it's so funny. People will say, um, just watch the chat. They are convinced I get checks.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Someone got the $7,000. So you were broke before.

• 51:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's hilarious to me that people think that, but, um, what I do find very troubling is how-

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Wait, can I say something?

• 51:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Sure.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  That's how bad you are. You didn't even have to get the call. You're doing it for free.

• 51:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  You're even worse.

• 51:48Tom Bilyeu?

  That, that is where people should go.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Nice with the room shot.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:53Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, the point there is that the way that they put an evolutionary pressure on who gets elected is brilliant, sinister, and has a huge impact on the kind of person that's able to get to power.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 52:09Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, but nobody talks about that. Nobody puts their finger on the thing that's actually the real problem. So they're always talking about, you know, it's the money. They're buying people off, yada, yada, blackmail. Nope. They have a way more sophisticated and sort of interesting from a, um, a sociological perspective, but it, it's that same deep statey thing. It's like, well, we're going to be here long after you leave. You guys are all transient. We've created this organization that's going to vet these people at the city council level long before they're thinking about state or, or national level politics. And so we're going to make sure that we kill in the cradle, anybody that's not pro-Israel.

• 52:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's when you take that, if you're mortified by that, as you should be, then you should also be mortified, in my opinion, by the deep state, because it's doing that same thing where it's like, they're just like, oh, cool. That's what you want us to do? Yeah, but we're not.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  We're both Obama's parents, CIA operatives.

• 53:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Were they?

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Look this up. Double check it. Cause I, I, please double check it. Whenever I say, hear a claim, I always, for me or anybody, always double check what someone on your screen is saying. And then you can see for yourself.

• 53:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Very good advice. That's wild.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  They claim that both Barack Obama's parents were CIA operatives is a conspiracy theory that lacks credible evidence according to investigations by geographical researchers. Gemini AI.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Look up with the mom.

• 53:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me tell you, Gemini is the one that I trust the least. Gemini, dude, have you had any run ins with Gemini?

• 53:37Speaker 01

  I've never used, I don't, I, they, it forces me to, can you look up the mom in CIA? Whatever her name is Nancy something?

• 53:45Speaker 01

  It pops up at the top, but I don't, I've had it say crazy things about me.

• 53:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, Gemini is unhinged. It is so, it has such an agenda. So Gemini is what runs. So YouTube has what they call Ask Studio.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So you can work with it to come up with video ideas and stuff. It's really like, if you're doing your sort of non-political video, it's phenomenal. The second you start talking about sensitive topics, it just, it will stonewall you, it will chide you. Dude, it was wild. I was so enraged because it was like, uh, Tom, you shouldn't be focusing on this.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:24Tom Bilyeu?

  And I quote, uh, you were doing so well before. Why don't you just get back to?

• 54:29Speaker 01

  You're joking.

• 54:30Tom Bilyeu?

  I am not joking. I wanted to.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Explicitly?

• 54:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. That is a quote, my man. I could not fucking believe it. I was like, bitch, you must be joking. I was like, there is no way this fucking AI is telling me that I have no, yes. That is a quote. I could not believe it.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Were you doing so good?

• 54:48Tom Bilyeu?

  I really was. It was like going really well. And then I triggered them. It, it was wild. The first one I got it on was Epstein.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:56Tom Bilyeu?

  And it wouldn't even tell me why, why it suddenly switched. So imagine I'm doing so good. We're getting this outline. It's incredible. Super excited about the video. And then I'm like, okay. Um, and now I expressly in this section, I want to address, and I listed like three things and one of them was Epstein. And all of a sudden it's like, I can't help you with that. That was the sum total of the response. I cannot help you with that. And I was like, you can't help me with what? I thought like it was glitching. Uh, and it was like, um, I'm not able to help you with the sensitive topics. And I'm like, which one of those topics is it that triggered you? I'm, I can't help you with that. And I'm like, the fuck is going on?

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Holy crap.

• 55:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Was it Epstein? I can't help you with that. I'm like, okay. So by process of elimination, since I asked about the other ones and you'll talk about it. This is an Epstein problem. It refused to ever acknowledge that its problem was Epstein. So I was just like, what the fuck is going on right now? So yeah, anyway, this is one of those where you can get me to really derail for an extended period of time on AI manipulating people.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Oh, I use it to manipulate people.

• 55:58Tom Bilyeu?

  So my Why am I surprised?

• 56:00Speaker 01

  No, this is a great way to save people on social media. Social media is there to make you crazy. This is how to offload it. If I, one of the big things people like to do on social media is pretend, I mean generous here, pretend they don't understand what you're saying or misconstrue what you're saying in a Catholic human way. So all I'll say is, hey, Grok, explain to such and such a person and they explain my point of view or the joke and leave the cretins to argue with Grok and just offload them from your plate. And then you don't have to get into a back and forth. People lack empathy. We are trained since kindergarten to think everyone around us is fundamentally the same under the skin. That is a complete lie. Many people are not interested in looking for truth or looking for understanding. They're looking for an argument or they get off on being obstinate and they will drag

• 56:45Speaker 01

  you in and you will lose at their game because you cannot win. So rather than engage and argue with them, get Grok to do your work for it. You have to be a paying member and they'll argue with Grok or they'll just go away. But you're not going to be pulling your hair out.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  We have to talk about what Melania Trump did.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Or impromptu speech that nobody asked for. Fox News said they didn't even get any heads up. Nobody knew what she was talking about. She said her piece and walked away. Some of the memorable quotes, now is time for Congress to act. Epstein was not alone. Several prominent male executives resigned from their powerful positions after this matter because it became widely politicized. Of course, this isn't about the guilt, but we still must work openly and transparently to uncover the truth. I call on Congress to provide the women who have been victimized by Epstein with a public hearing specifically centered around the survivors. A lot of people are calling this the Streisand effect because it gave heat to the, it gave the, what's that word? It gave attention to Daily Beast and their reporting that had Jeffrey Epstein bragging about his close relationship with Trump and the first lady.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  Apparently we're doing bad in Iran because we're bringing the Epstein files back. So we need to cover it from something else.

• 57:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Man, you know, the things are not going the way that you expected when the thing You did to quiet people on the Epstein files. You need to bring the Epstein files back to quiet people on that. Pretty hilarious. Yeah, this is weird. This came out of nowhere for me. So the way that she talked, did you see the video?

• 58:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:07Tom Bilyeu?

  The way that she talked was as if this big thing had just broke. It came out. Okay, enough is enough. People keep trying to malign me and say that my husband was introduced to me by Epstein, that I'm one of Epstein's victims. I'm not a victim of Epstein. He did not introduce me to my husband. This has to stop right now. And so it was weird. And the thing that I wondered was like, does your husband know you're doing this? Like, he's been trying to like get people off this thing forever. And now all of a sudden you're coming out and doing it. So I've said many times that the one person who can get me to do something against my own interests is my wife.

• 58:47Tom Bilyeu?

  And so did that happen here? Like, is she just behind the scenes so unrelenting? I cannot tolerate the way that people are talking about me online. This is going to be my legacy. I don't want this. Like, you gotta let me talk about it. And he's finally like, Jesus Christ, okay, fine. Like, go do it. I'm not gonna mention it. I'm not even gonna talk about it. Like, but if you need to do this, go do this. Or is this strategy where it's like something that's about to break? And so you need to get ahead of this and like just try to basically plant like this is all bullshit. So when this thing comes out that the air is already deflated out of the tire? I don't know.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, Michael, what's your whole response?

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Is that anything gonna drop imminently though?

• 59:27Tom Bilyeu?

  People are saying, but it's all rumor that nobody knows of anything new.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't see. So Melania people might not realize this. During 2016, when the Access Hollywood tape broke and Trump went on camera and I think one of the only times apologized, she was the one who came up with the line that this was locker room talk. So she's a lot more canny than people appreciate. Double check me on that, but I'm almost certain that's the case. And she brought to the debate something that was called a pussy bow, which is kind of ironic, the knot that was tied.

• 59:58Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm gonna need to see that.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Pussy bow?

• 1:00:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I've never heard of this.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Pussy bow Melania debate. Pull this up. I spend way too much time in tinfoil hat. Well, you're searching on Twitter, so I don't know if you maybe on Google. Anyway.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  It's Melania, I think, is very composed and poised. So it seems unlikely to me that she would just snap and be like enough is enough, especially because it has slowed down. Like, I don't think people are going after her in recent times after this.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Pussy bow.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Really? That's what we're gonna call that? I don't know.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Well, she didn't name it. There's different, there's different types, there's different types of knots.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  You let down, you let down at that.

• 1:00:36Tom Bilyeu?

  It's like, listen, I like to see vagina everywhere I can.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Well, I think it's named after like a cat's hands.

• 1:00:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That more so.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Etymology, I think that's where it comes from. It's not about a vagina, Tom, my God. Get your mind, what? I'm serious. What do you mean?

• 1:00:54Tom Bilyeu?

  We, we started this conversation based on a certain statement that Trump made about grabbing them and the.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Right, but that term wasn't originated by her.

• 1:01:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, get that.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  And I'm sure the term wasn't a reference to vagina.

• 1:01:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Saying she's so, she is so shrewd that she's like, I'm gonna wear this thing, commonly referred to as a pussy bow, when I could have done a thousand other knots, as a comment on this whole situation.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Damn.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Or her wardrobe person.

• 1:01:20Tom Bilyeu?

  You've got her mapped differently than me.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  And it, and it resembles the bows tied around the cats necks.

• 1:01:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it. That makes a lot more sense. Okay. Okay.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  It could be coincidence.

• 1:01:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Maybe, yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  It could be coincidence, but the point is, the thing in the locker room talk, please look that up, because that I think came from her. It's, it's, it's, it is odd that she would say this, either with or without his permission. It, it, it doesn't feel, it feels out of character for her. It, it's the same thing with, with just wedding ring. So there was one time she wasn't wearing her wedding ring, and she's like, oops, I forgot it, I was washing dishes. Then she didn't wear it again after it became a huge thing. And I know that people are like, something's up with this broad. And it turned out she was pregnant. When you're pregnant, you can't wear that wedding ring, your hands are swollen. So when something like this happens, it always seems to me, there's a piece of the puzzle that we're not seeing.

• 1:02:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  This is out of character for completely.

• 1:02:08Tom Bilyeu?

  It's certainly out of character for the administration.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  According to my co-inocent testimony, locker room talk defense was Melania's idea.

• 1:02:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  I'm just, yes, sworn in a oath.

• 1:02:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  How do you rate the handling of Trump administration with the Epstein files and everything?

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  It is so, so here's the thing, I would talk about this on with Kurt Metzger, I talked about it on Rogan. What's the, the thing that I can't wrap my head around is a lot of people who are like Epstein files, smoking gun. Also think that every Democrat in the House spontaneously started caring about hurting children. Like they have these two contradictory ideas in their head simultaneously. I think that if there was anything really incriminating there, it would have been scrubbed a long time ago. I think a lot of things that people are reading to it, aren't things that are necessarily there.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  And I, I'm hesitant that what is going to be released to the public is going to be enough to do this kind of cataclysmic damage. That people seem to be hoping for.

• 1:03:12Tom Bilyeu?

  I think that the way that people are running with it in their minds is way more cataclysmic than anything that's going to come out.

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:18Tom Bilyeu?

  So the thing that's interesting though, is that you have seen a much bigger response from other countries where it's like merely being in it. You're toast. Like that's the end of your tenure and we haven't had that same response in the U.S. And I think the one that probably stands out for a lot of people is Mr. Counter Fitzgerald. Why am I blanking on his name? E-commerce Secretary.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Howard Letnick.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Tom Bilyeu?

  So that one is like, meh, like you obviously lied and got caught in that lie. And yet there you are. Now they've clearly like sidelined him and we don't hear from him very much anymore.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  No, we didn't before either. Commerce Secretary, it's not a big deal.

• 1:03:55Tom Bilyeu?

  He was pretty hot for a minute. Like, yeah, at the beginning, he was giving some banger interviews.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Oh, the terrorists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. That's fair.

• 1:04:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So, but since then, and you want to talk about a time where the economy is like on the ropes right now. We'd, I would have expected to hear from him, but Besen eats up all of the time. That I think would have been and was at the beginning of the administration, shared between the two of them. So I think anyway, conspiracy theory that they're hiding him a bit. So there is something that does feel more insular here in the U.S. That people are getting away with something here. That they didn't get away with elsewhere.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  I think the thing that's in dispute about the Epstein files is that powerful elites. Work together and don't care about how it looks to the layman. And the reason for that is a lot of these people aren't even accused of doing anything with Epstein. But what was clearly the case is that they were trying to become friends with him or were friends with him, even after his arrest and all these things came out. So I think that shows the level of amorality there were to the I I there's somebody Michael Alec, who was one of the club kids and he ended up killing someone and he went to jail.

• 1:04:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, wait, I know this story.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  I have one of his paintings because I saw it in a store and it looked like it said malice, but it was M Alec and whatever my mom got for my birthday. I visit him in jail. Point being, he was a murderer. He had jobs lined up for him when he was leaving jail. So it's the kind of thing where like, you know, if you're if you're someone I like, you're just you get a blank check to do what you want. It's really kind of I've always said, and when I say this, no one disagrees. Hillary Clinton will always have more in common with Donald Trump than with some janitor, who always voted Democrat his entire life.

• 1:05:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  And when you feel like that, no one's ever like, of course, that's a no brainer. Like George Carlin says, it's a big club and you ain't in it.

• 1:05:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm. Yeah, it's really interesting. Because I've gotten wealthy, I have found myself in rooms that feel just extraordinarily foreign to me. Where it's like, oh, there's a way of interfacing with the world that I just

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:46Tom Bilyeu?

  do not I'm I haven't been. I think the brain forms in certain ways when you're young that is just never going to in adulthood. And so the way that I grew up was sort of middle class to lower middle class. And so forever and a day, the way that my brain interprets the world is from a world where my neighbors had cows. I didn't, but my neighbors did. So it's like to then find myself in these sort of high powered, like New Yorkie lawyer plugged in like I do.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  But you're also new money.

• 1:06:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  You're trash to them.

• 1:06:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, to certainly to an East Coast mentality, for sure. So but that whole space just feels weird. You can just feel that there's a different way of going about the world.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Because they've been they've been groomed and bred to this world. You're like a protein bar guy, like, oh, that's cute. You know what I mean? Like in their mindset.

• 1:06:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, of course. Yeah, there's also I just from the networking side of things, even from a new money like West Coast guy. I'm still bad at it, so.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  What do you mean, really?

• 1:06:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, epically, I'm surprised that you find that surprising.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  I I please continue, go on. I'm having a time noise.

• 1:06:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Say more.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  You always say that, say more.

• 1:06:58Tom Bilyeu?

  My audience is probably going to be bored to tears because they've heard this so many times, but I do not have whatever that genetic impulse is to seek outward. I do not do. So as soon as the cameras stop rolling, I'm going to turn inward.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:10Tom Bilyeu?

  And like if I'm having trouble falling asleep, I have a cue phrase that I use.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And it will just set my imagination running.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  What is it? Are you going to pass out right now if I say it?

• 1:07:22Tom Bilyeu?

  No, it doesn't work like that. But if I am, if I have free time, I don't take out my phone, I say the same phrase. And that's like whatever problem I'm trying to solve in Kaizen, I just set myself to that and then I'll collapse inside of that.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, and so the right way to mentally map me is as a writer, not as an entrepreneur.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:38Tom Bilyeu?

  So that's just, I will go inside my own imagination, explore ideas or solve problems.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  You are someone who is interested in people, you're interested in ideas. So I would think at an event, you would find that one person and glom onto them. That's my technique.

• 1:07:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Exactly what happens.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's my technique.

• 1:07:55Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a terrible networking strategy.

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:07:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Then the real question is how often do I find myself in those rooms? And the answer would be virtually never.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  I only go to those rooms if I have an escape hatch.

• 1:08:06Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't even think about that. I just never go to those rooms. It is literally my producer's biggest pain point. If the camera were on him, they will see him nodding, is that getting guests on the show becomes increasingly difficult because I just don't ever make time for people.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Well, also, you know, they, they confide in me how difficult you are off camera.

• 1:08:24Tom Bilyeu?

  There's that.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm, I am a raging tyrant, you guys. It'll come out one day, don't worry.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  You're a modern day Amy Klobuchar.

• 1:08:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Exactly. Nice. Thank you.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  All right, moving on to this China hack. A hacker group called by the name of Flaming China breached the China National Supercomputing Center and exfiltrated, uh, exfiltrated up to 10 beta, uh, beta bytes.

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  Beta, B?

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Yes, I never even heard of like that many bytes before.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  I learned that one today, yeah.

• 1:08:53Tom Bilyeu?

  It, it is massive. To give you an idea, uh, the entire library of Congress is less than one petabyte. So this is like.

• 1:09:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Some egregious number more than what you would find if you downloaded all of that. It's absolutely massive. This really is China's worst nightmare and it's now on sale on Telegram. A single hacker may have just pulled off what is the largest data theft in Chinese history. So the 10 petabytes that we're talking about of data that they snatched is now for sale to the highest bidder on the dark web. So the alleged target was Chinese National Supercomputing Center in Tianjin. And it's a centralized hub that provides computing infrastructure to more than 6,000 clients across China, including advanced science and defense agencies. The hacker, operating under the alias Flaming China, posted a sample of the database on

• 1:09:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Telegram in early February claiming it contained over 10 petabytes of sensitive information. All kinds of crazy stuff. If you guys have seen the photos, it's like secret aircraft and airflow dynamics and all this stuff. The data allegedly includes classified defense documents, missile schematics, technical files, animated simulations of defense technology, and research spanning aerospace engineering, bioinformatics, and fusion simulation. Because some of the data center's 6,000 clients rely entirely on China's National Supercomputing Center, rather than maintaining their own supercomputing infrastructure, a single network breach like this effectively compromised thousands of downstream organizations in China simultaneously.

• 1:10:26Tom Bilyeu?

  And the crazy part is that the hacker used a method that wasn't even like sophisticated. This wasn't bleeding edge, super exploit, you know, that you would expect him to have worked really hard on. The hacker just claimed to gain entry simply through a compromised VPN domain. And then he deployed a botnet that extracted the data slowly over six months completely undetected. And the hacker is now offering a limited preview for a few thousand dollars if you want to see it. And if you want to buy the whole thing, you can do so for hundreds of thousands payable in cryptocurrency, just to keep giving crypto a bad name.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  A good name.

• 1:11:05Tom Bilyeu?

  I suppose. Cybersecurity researchers say that only nation state intelligence agencies would realistically have the capacity to deal with a data set of this size. But obviously, it's pretty bad. Now, this could still be a hoax. I've tried to find anywhere that's saying that this isn't real. But so far, everybody's saying that it, the data looks real. So we'll see over time.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  You just pay for it, you get like 50 billion copies of GoC.

• 1:11:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, God. Talk about a reference I have thankfully not thought of in a very long time.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  How are you gonna, like, if someone bought this, how are they gonna deliver it? Like, how many memory sticks is that? Like, literally, what is the mechanism?

• 1:11:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, a lot of them.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  What, are they gonna email it to me?

• 1:11:46Tom Bilyeu?

  They're definitely not gonna email it to you.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  Google Drive link? Like, literally, how do you deliver it?

• 1:11:50Tom Bilyeu?

  This attachment is too large.

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Exactly, for the earth.

• 1:11:53Tom Bilyeu?

  You would, you'd have to curry over hard drives or something.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, but how many?

• 1:11:58Tom Bilyeu?

  For 10 petabytes, you can store a lot. Like, we have hundreds of terabytes here as a company, and it, it would fit on this desk. So it's not, it's a lot.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  But that courier is also leaving a trail.

• 1:12:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  So I'm saying delivery is also gonna be really risky.

• 1:12:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, some of the logistics, I don't know. You could also probably, you wouldn't use email, but you might be able to digitally, I mean, he digitally downloaded it, so it takes time.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  If, if his system is as simple as he claims, let's, let's go with that for the time being, there's no way that the US and other governments haven't done this.

• 1:12:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so if you had said that a week ago, I would say it's probably not true, just because the volume of things you have to try to attack can often be mind numbing. So

• 1:12:47Tom Bilyeu?

  things like this, these zero day exploits, it's entirely possible this has been out there for a long time, and just the sheer volume of these things to check you couldn't find. But the AI, the Claude Mythos, has found over a thousand, I think, exploits in like, the most common software out there. So it's just finding them left, right and center.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  I saw an article where, where people were sending AI to hack systems, and they were finding them all over the place. And it's like, okay, what do we do now? Because this is, this is a genie's out the bottle.

• 1:13:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so they launched, they're holding Mythos back and instead they've launched Glasswing.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:13:23Tom Bilyeu?

  So they're basically gonna use the, the abilities to use it as like a, a pen tester to go in against all these software and then help them plug all the holes. So at least they'll get to the point where it's like, okay, all this super common software, once it's battle tested by Mythos, then we'll launch it because those guys will have repaired it and then we're at least one level higher. But it shows that, one, Claude leaked their own code. Now, how much of it got out? Would they be able to sort of reverse engineer this? But if you think about like DeepSeek has traditionally only been three to six months behind, whatever the bleeding edge model is. So it's very possible that you're

• 1:14:03Tom Bilyeu?

  18 months from an open source version of Mythos that's that powerful at hacking, that's gonna get wild fast.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yesterday Scott Besson and the federal, the federal chair Jerome Powell summoned Wall Street leaders to actually have an urgent meeting to talk about this very thing. We need to figure out our cybersecurity vulnerabilities.

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  I have to put my zoology hat on again. Is it Glasswing or is it Glasswing? Because a Glasswing is a type of insect, which is really cool. And I, are they naming it after insect or are they blowing that opportunity?

• 1:14:31Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a great question. So it's

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  It's a terrible question.

• 1:14:34Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, it's actually very interesting because I was like, man, they're really highlighting the fragility of all this. And so I couldn't understand why they were doing Glasswing one word and they have what looks like an insect wing.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:14:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So I'm guessing

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  What a glass wing looks like. They're really cool.

• 1:14:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Exactly what this is.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  Glasswing beetle?

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  It's a butterfly or it's a butterfly relative. Or they're predators if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah, those are the types of butterflies.

• 1:14:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, that's not what their logo looks like at all.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Pull up a lacewing.

• 1:15:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, again, a little bit of trivia here for the Michael Malice fans in the house. So Michael Malice at his house, I know because I've seen it.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Is that what it looks like?

• 1:15:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, it looks more like one of those wings. Yes, absolutely. Uh, he has a lot of plants.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:15:19Tom Bilyeu?

  And when you ask him, the organizing principle of the plants, it is things that look like they're in pain.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  That's my favorite type of plant. And I sent you some photos.

• 1:15:29Tom Bilyeu?

  You have. No, man, I find your interest in succulents and the other sort of deserty, pain-induced plants very interesting.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's very fun to look like plants who are cenobites who are being tortured in some.

• 1:15:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That is literally what your garden looks like.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Look up, um, film a kraken cactus. It's a mutation of a cactus. That's the one I sent you and it looks like it's suffering.

• 1:15:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's see this. You're, you're gonna wanna pull. Yep, there we go.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  It looks like it's.

• 1:15:57Tom Bilyeu?

  No, thanks. I hate cactuses. Hate.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:16:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Because they are obviously designed to.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Does that look like it's in pain?

• 1:16:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. And it looks like it would put me in pain.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  It would. Yeah. Why? So you hate them? Why?

• 1:16:11Tom Bilyeu?

  No, I like soft, fluffy. Like if I'm gonna have plants, like a, a bougainvillea, that's my kind of plant.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  All right. Okay.

• 1:16:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Um, our next topic is something that I think you would enjoy. Uh, Mr. Malice, it is a California worker burned down an entire warehouse because they weren't paying him enough. Is this the definition of anarchy?

• 1:16:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, man.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:16:33Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll be so curious to know if you and I end up on the same page or if we argue about this one. This one riles me up big time.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Why, why is it? I, I, it's just one data point. That's why I'm not getting riled up about it.

• 1:16:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. So we, we are very, very far apart from each other on this. So let me give you guys all a breakdown if you don't know about it. Um, so we just got a preview of our own modern French revolution from where I'm sitting. This is the part I expect us to argue about. But this guy filmed himself burning down a 1.2 million square foot distribution center in California while saying on camera, all you had to do was pay us enough to live. So he's just going around lighting, lighting, lighting it all on fire. This building, a massive Kimberly Clark distribution center was burned to the ground. The blaze escalated to a six alarm fire within. Around 175 firefighters from over a dozen agencies battled it through the night, but it was lost just completely to the ground.

• 1:17:27Tom Bilyeu?

  29-year-old Kamel Abdul Karim filmed himself setting the fire and posted it to Instagram, which I still can't believe is true, but he did. You can call this a self-purchased one-way ticket to prison. This kid is going away. He walked through the warehouse, lighting a whole bunch of stuff on fire with a lighter. You guys got to see it for yourselves and hear him for yourself. Let's play the clip. This is wild. Remember, he posted this himself.

• 1:18:01Tom Bilyeu?

  So this is him showing the warehouse as he's lighting the first bit.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  Should have paid us enough to fucking live. You know, we may not get paid enough to fucking live, but these bitches dirt cheap.

• 1:18:11Tom Bilyeu?

  So he just showed a lighter.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  All you had to do was pay us enough to live. All you had to do was pay us enough to fucking live.

• 1:18:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Looking at all the different things that he's already lit on fire.

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  All you had to do was pay us enough to live.

• 1:18:26Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, so he worked for NFI Industries, which is the third-party logistics contractor running the warehouse. And from what I can find, NFI pays warehouse workers about $18 an hour, which is about $37,000 a year. The bad news is that the average one-bedroom apartment in Ontario runs $2,000 a month.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  Oh, this is Canada?

• 1:18:45Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, no. Ontario, California.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry, okay.

• 1:18:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, the problem is that when you have a catastrophically K-shaped economy, you're going to run into problems. And every elite class in history has had to learn the hard way that people will only put up with so much.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:19:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So take the infamous French Revolution that saw a whole lot of people get separated from their heads. In 1789, French peasants were spending up to 90% of their income on bread. Harvest had failed, prices had spiked. The gap between what labor could produce and what labor could afford for themselves became absolutely obscene, which is exactly what we're starting to see now. And here in the US, and the problem is that revolutions are a nightmare for all involved. People getting real romantic. This guy's real romantic about the idea of starting a revolution. And the guillotine never stops with the first enemy. The first to be guillotined were the aristocracy, for sure, but ultimately, the French Revolution consumed lawyers, journalists, priests, merchants.

• 1:19:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Bad people, too. Yeah, not to mention, Pol Pot once killed people just for having glasses. That's always a fun reminder of these types of revolutions. Robespierre, the man who built the Reign of Terror, was executed by the same machine that he had been feeding for months. The movement that started with a genuine justified cry for economic suffering, ended up collapsing into a bloodbath that killed tens of thousands of French citizens, most of them not nobility. And then into that chaos is exactly where Napoleon steps, how he comes to power. He doesn't try to calm everybody down, by the way. He tries to weaponize them. He understood that once people get a taste for blood, you're not going to be able to soothe them. So your job is to point them at something else, which is my exact fear here in the US.

• 1:20:30Tom Bilyeu?

  So he took Napoleon, all that raw, blood-drunk revolutionary energy, all that rage with nowhere left to go, and he pointed it at Europe. And France spent the next two decades invading its neighbors, and some people quite far away, looting their treasuries, burning their cities, conscripting the young men, and somewhere between three and six million people ended up dying. The working-class men who stormed the Bastille, dreaming of bread and dignity, ended up dying in Russian snowfields so that one man could be the emperor. Now, if Americans let their rage turn into something useless, it will all be for naught. Now, we have a very realistic picture of what's happening with the economy right now and how to fix it, but emotions are not going to be the thing to get the job done.

• 1:21:15Tom Bilyeu?

  And this is like my endless cry to people is to understand, yes, there is a very toxic K-shaped economy. Yes, this is a real thing. And yes, if you keep pushing people in that direction, you will find they will push back because if people can't make ends meet, and things keep getting more expensive, and billionaires keep getting... wealthier, people will revolt. This is a tale as old as time. There is a reason that countries do not stay at a debt to GDP ratio of more than one point, uh, 130% for more than roughly 18 months. Japan being the only exception. And the reason they don't is things just become intolerable. We have uh, just an algorithm running in our minds that just do not allow us to tolerate that kind of toxic inequality.

• 1:21:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And the problem with something like this is by burning this warehouse down, he doesn't end up hurting the company that almost certainly has insurance. What he ends up hurting is all the people that were requiring

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:22:10Tom Bilyeu?

  the job there to make the money to live. And so now he ends up fucking over the very people he thinks he's helping because he does not understand the economy. And so this is where I always derail and I feel like I'm screaming into a void and it really does make me think. I don't know that there's a way to snap people out of it.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Who wrote that stuff on the teleprompter? Was that you?

• 1:22:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Me.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  For not, N A U G H T.

• 1:22:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  I'm just sorry, that's triggered my.

• 1:22:34Tom Bilyeu?

  You really are. What was it? Oh God, you gave me the way I'm gonna uh, Grok, please explain to him

• 1:22:42Tom Bilyeu?

  what people heard, read perfectly in their mind.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  That's true. That's why I was confused.

• 1:22:47Tom Bilyeu?

  So I'll let you argue with Grok.

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  I also don't think, I think I, history does, Mark Twain said, history doesn't repeat, it rhymes.

• 1:22:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  Um, I really hate the idea that like Trump, for example, people hate Trump, Trump's Hitler because he's a authoritarian dictator. I'm like, can he be Mussolini? Can he be Franco? No, everything. And right now, every international conflict is both simultaneously the Iraq war and the Vietnam war and World War III, right? Not everything is the French Revolution. Uh, this isn't even the Arab Spring. So I think this kind of thing happens, you and I discussed earlier, all the time. No one's popping off as a result of this. And I think America historically, other than the very first revolution, we haven't, the civil war would be, I guess, another example. We, we're not a revolution friendly country.

• 1:23:34Tom Bilyeu?

  What do you think stops that?

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  I don't know. That's a great question, but I don't think America is the kind of country where I think there's enough flexibility maybe in our politics that if things, we talked about this before we were recording the benefits army, which is under Herbert Hoover, there are all these veterans who are like, we can't put food on the table, give us our pensions, whatever benefits now. They send in the tanks and they kind of took care of them in a very nefarious way. Point being, I think what would happen is if you did have this, remember Occupy, you know, there was this huge movement, Obama used it very effectively and it kind of, those people all vanished. So when you have this kind of fomenting underground and calls to violence,

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  someone in our system or the media will exploit it or redirect it, historically speaking.

• 1:24:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so let me, I'm gonna make my best pitch to you. And we'll see how far I get and maybe you'll enlighten me and I will finally see the path forward, but.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  And also, I also want to say I am far more comfortable with revolution than you are. So I'm not even saying that it's as bad as you would say it is.

• 1:24:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Right, for sure. So here's my take. All of that made sense before, and if you don't understand the, the cause and effect mechanism in the economy that is breaking right now, that is never broken historically, not during the Civil War, not any other time. But it is breaking now and that's why we have a problem. And the reason that the Occupy movement, for instance, went away was because the, in fact, making it go away is the reason that we have a problem now that we're not going to be able to solve. And that thing is money printing.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:06Tom Bilyeu?

  So what we did was we said, oh yeah, people are pissed because the banks got bailed out. But bailing out the banks actually does work, but it only works for so long. And when the economy is fine, then people are fine.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:25:19Tom Bilyeu?

  What I'm saying is the economy is reaching a breaking point. It is in the next 10 years, it will get to the point where America will functionally default. It doesn't matter if they're gonna claim default or not.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 1:25:30Tom Bilyeu?

  So they will have to inflate the currency or actually just say, we're not paying you back.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Okay, sure.

• 1:25:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And the second you say we're not paying you back, you either, the one thing that they could try is if we isolate ourselves enough, we could say, we're just not paying back all the foreign people, fuck you guys.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:25:48Tom Bilyeu?

  And we could try that. But most likely, there will be some level of the Americans that are investing in the American economy are going to get hurt because they're gonna say either we're only paying back 60 cents on the dollar or whatever. And that will be devastating. That will end the dollar as reserve currency status. That will force people to go into a level of austerity that we, we have not. No one living now in America has seen this kind of austerity. And so all of that at a time where the country is so politically divided, so tribalistic, you really are fighting over a smaller pie. And when you're fighting over a smaller pie and one half is like, you're going to give all my money to the trans. And the other half is like, you're gonna give all my money to the billionaires.

• 1:26:34Tom Bilyeu?

  They are going to fight.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  But you're you're taking it as a given that the American tribalism will continue. And there have been several times in history where things got bad and they became this huge national consensus. 1980, 1984, 1932, 1972. So even though it seems impossible now that everyone's going to come together, have this kind of 6040 election or 6040 perspective. It would have looked impossible for Trump to be elected president. So it's not at all a given that if shit hits the fort Bush, George W. Bush, who lost the popular vote to Al Gore and got 90% approval ratings in the wake of 9/11, which he obviously squandered. Point being, it's not at all a given that if shit hits the fan, that this division is going to be maintained.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  Because what here's one example, you could have the Democrats being like, we're not talking about the trans stuff as they have done in recent times. And become this kind of economic, we're going to be the party of of of of jobs and putting food on the table. The Republicans ruin this and we're not talking the culture war. We could talk about that in four years.

• 1:27:38Tom Bilyeu?

  So if what you're saying is that they will actually solve the underlying mechanism, then I would say, okay, maybe. But the only path forward, because we're what I don't think people realize and the part that's really hard to get people on board with is what I'm saying is. Money has physics, economy has physics.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:27:57Tom Bilyeu?

  We're now at the end of the the physics. So the next thing is it does break. It's not like a, oh, maybe it breaks. It does break. And so now it becomes a question of, given that barring a a historic growth rate coming from AI, which is possible. But barring that a historic thing, you're in a position where in the next 10 years, the self reinforcing thing that will happen with the debt because of the interest. We'll get to the point where America won't be like, should we default? It will default. So it will either soft default by hyper inflating the currency.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:28:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Or it will hard default by just saying we're not paying back the debt.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  So when I am.

• 1:28:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And either is a catastrophe.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  When I'm in a field where I don't know the lay of the land, I can only go by what historically I've seen. In the 1970s, Barry Goldwater, who was the Republican candidate for president in 1964, and lost in a huge landslide, wrote a book called The Coming Break Point. And the point is, we cannot afford our debt any longer. And America is going to collapse, blah, blah, blah, blah. In 1980, Reagan comes in and the debt explodes, right? So his prophecy didn't come true. There's a book called The Idea of Decline in Western History by Arthur Herman, which is one of the top 10 books I've ever read. And he goes, every generation, it's a catastrophe, catastrophe, catastrophe. I, so when I hear things like this, that like in 10 years, it's all going to end. This is the kind of thing where we're told every, in what I'm hearing, possibly incorrectly, because I don't have the information.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Every 10 years, we're told there's 10 years left of oil. And then things end up not happening in that way. So this is such a bold prediction that it is hard for me, although I could be driving off a cliff, to kind of take it at face value. Because here's the other thing, in, when I was in college in the 90s, I was in Intercado Institute. And they had a whole project saying, social security is going to go bankrupt by 2010. And then old people won't have money. I don't even know what they did, but that did not end up happening.

• 1:29:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. So.

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  And Obamacare is going to collapse the healthcare system. And we're going to have socialized healthcare, and this is going to be by design. We heard this in 2010, that then ended up happening too. It is not a good thing, Obamacare, but we do not have socialized healthcare yet.

• 1:30:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. So I think you're approaching the problem in the exact right way, which is if I don't know the field in general, let me look at historical examples. It rhymes, it doesn't repeat, but I think that's the right way to do it. And so the good news is, from the, this is a knowable thing, not that your outcome will come true. But when you look at those moments and you just think about the money supply, you look at the debt load, those guys were.

• 1:30:28Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know if they were lying or if they didn't understand the economy, but uh the reality is that what I'm doing is not saying, oh, the levees are gonna break. I'm saying the water level is now like dripping over the edge because it's gotten that high. And all I'm saying is at the rate that we're going now, the water level is going to keep rising. And so physics tell you the water will spill over.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:30:53Tom Bilyeu?

  And because we're at the physics level, now I'm just like, well, there are things you can do to drain the water.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 1:30:59Tom Bilyeu?

  And so if you start draining the water, reducing the debt, this won't happen.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm just saying, I don't see the political will to stop that.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:31:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And so when you've got the um, you've got the Democrats uh are spending money left, right and center. You've got the Republicans spending money left, right and center.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:31:17Tom Bilyeu?

  And so if either party goes, hey, we're gonna Margaret Thatcher this, we're gonna go into austerity. It is what it is. You guys can complain as much as you want, but we are gonna do it. Because honestly, if they just balance the budget, we don't have any more problems.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  Or or even just decrease significantly the deficit.

• 1:31:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, the deficit probably um, that might even be harder because we can get by with the deficit where it is right now, but you've got to stop making the deficit worse.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:43Tom Bilyeu?

  So if like, a little bit of water is dribbling over into the danger zone and you say, we're gonna make sure that the water level doesn't go up anymore, then I'm like, okay, great.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  So this is something that I think everyone in the audience is gonna think I'm completely insane, and I think you will not think I'm insane. Historically speaking, other countries, it is leftist parties that are in a position to put these austerity measures in, right? Because the same way as Nixon in China, Nixon, you know, got elected to the Senate by calling his political opponent the pink lady, Helen Gagin Douglas, calling her basically a communist. Uh, he had his bona fides, uh, he took down Al Duhis, uh, found that he was a communist spy within the State Department, I believe. So for him to go to China and toast Mao, if it was anyone to the left, they would be destroyed because you're soft on communism. No one's gonna accuse Nixon being soft to communism. Reagan and Thatcher, the same thing with Gorbachev, where it's like, they're on the right wing of the right

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  wing party. There was no one to outflank them and say. You're not hard enough against communism. So when leftists get into office and this austerity thing happened, this happened in Canada, I think with Trudeau's dad, he did it back in the day. They are often in a position to implement these austerity measures and sell it to their people. We saw this happen in the 90s where Big Glenn didn't want to balance the budget, but he did balance the budget, he was forced to do it. So there is, and I know looking at the Democratic Party now, this sounds like I've completely lost my mind.

• 1:33:05Tom Bilyeu?

  It just sounds unlikely.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  It is, right.

• 1:33:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Your argumentation is very logical.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  It, I completely agree, it sounds unlikely, but at the same time, when things are, there's self-preservation and there's what you want to do to further your party's control and power. So I, the people have these two countries, people on the right have these two completely contradictory views of Democratic Party and people on the left about the public party, which is one is they're completely ideologues and they will destroy the country, they don't care. And also they're completely souls and corrupt and will do or say anything to maintain their own power. These are not, you can't be both. And I think it is, there's wings of one and wings of the other. But I think this wing, the corporate hack wing, is a lot stronger than the Democratic Party than people realize. The Republicans didn't shut the squad up, that was Pelosi.

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  It wasn't the Republicans to stop Bernie Sanders, that was the Biden machine and the Hillary machine. So that wing of the Democratic Party is quite strong and they are a lot more attuned to business interests than one would think, given the rhetoric.

• 1:34:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I mean, I still don't see, I don't argue a single fact of that. I still don't see anybody that's actually going to implement austerity measures. And history tells us that every empire that has found themselves in the position that we're in right now, they don't make it and they do implode and they lose their status either by war. So this is what happened to the UK and they ended up having to hand the baton to us.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:34:30Tom Bilyeu?

  So that would look like us handing the baton to China. And given that we're flirting with World War III right now, like there's a very logical conclusion to be drawn. America's overextended.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:34:42Tom Bilyeu?

  We try to fight this crazy war on like a bazillion fronts and then we just find ourselves, we've Got so much debt that we don't like have some spectacular supernova implosion. It's just like the UK. We just have to retreat back to our sphere of influence. We do what we can.

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:34:58Tom Bilyeu?

  We get out of the rest of the world.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  Which will be great, in my opinion.

• 1:35:01Tom Bilyeu?

  From there, I don't think there's any other option. And then from there, we lose power because the rest of the world, somebody else, probably gold for now, is going to take over the, being the reserve currency, which means that we can't deficit spend anymore. There will be very little to no appetite for our debt. And so at that point, you're forced into those fiscal measures. So I am not predicting a crazy, like, everybody's dying thing. I'm saying that either we'll have a revolution, civil war, or the war that we're already in just continues to escalate to the point where, at the end of it, we're so fatigued and so broke, the world just looks completely different.

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  Well, why can't you have an FDR kind of thing?

• 1:35:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, from what I know about FDR, FDR needed the ability to print, print, print, print, print, print.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:55Tom Bilyeu?

  And we don't have that ability anymore.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  Okay, I thought you were, oh, so because the people won't want the money because we're not going to be able to sell our dollars because no one's going to want to invest in them.

• 1:36:01Tom Bilyeu?

  No one will buy the debt.

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  I think at a cer- I don't think we're anywhere close to the point where the American dollar is something that is regarded as a bad investment.

• 1:36:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying mathematically just isn't true. So you are, right now, if you don't grow, in 10 years, it would be economic suicide. Again, this assumes static.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:27Tom Bilyeu?

  But 10 years from now, static, it would be suicide to invest in the US dollar.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:36:33Tom Bilyeu?

  We'll see where we are in 10 years because this assumes nobody adjusts. But right now, nobody is adjusting. In fact, they're going in the wrong direction. We're stacking debt again now faster.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  I'm opposed to government completely. I also just think that America is a lot smarter and stronger than that. And I think 10 years to say we're gonna, the dollar's gonna not be a stable source of investment. It's hard for me to see that, even if it's true.

• 1:36:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I mean, I, I search and search and search for the mechanism. And right now, given current politicians' behaviors, there is only one, and that's growth.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:37:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And right now, staring at a 0.5% growth in GDP when we are expecting a 2.2, which was already a catastrophic decline, and we're

• 1:37:17Tom Bilyeu?

  At war, sort of ceasefire-y, but we'll see. That's where I'm like, ah.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  And there's

• 1:37:22Tom Bilyeu?

  None of these are good times.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  And at the moment, there's no restraint, there's no appetite for restraint of any kind in Washington on the budget. I agree with that completely.

• 1:37:28Tom Bilyeu?

  So you have a base assumption that says, we will course correct. We have course corrected every time before. You, Michael Malice, are not denying that a course correction will be required. You're just supremely confident.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  There will be, I'm not supremely confident, I'm saying there will be some kind of course correction. And I'm, I'm just saying, things can go bad without going revolution catastrophe.

• 1:37:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, sure. It, it is, it does not violate the laws of physics for that to happen. If you consider World War II, the like, okay, we made it out.

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't consider World War II. No, no, I, that's, that's catastrophe.

• 1:38:03Tom Bilyeu?

  One more time, other than Japan, every time a country has spent more than 18 months at over 130 debt to GDP, and Japan, that whole setup is so unique, and we do not match it.

• 1:38:18Tom Bilyeu?

  It's ended in bloodshed, every time.

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  All right, we gotta move on, we gotta hit one more topic before we go super chat, and one more time. Canada just dropped a new acronym, we have to talk about it.

• 1:38:28Speaker 01

  I love that you think we have to cover this.

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  We have to, I know, I know, yeah, we have to.

• 1:38:31Speaker 04

  Deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIW G2SLGBTQQIA+. This is abhorred. Deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIW G2SLGBTQQIA+.

• 1:38:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Can I guess what that stands for? Can I look?

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  I tried, I actually

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  Let me see if I can do it, okay, at least I can do it. Okay.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  M-M-I-W.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Hold on, let's start from the beginning, we know at the end is queer, questioning, inter

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Is each of, is each of the Ms. A different thing?

• 1:39:20Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, no.

• 1:39:20Speaker 05

  No, it's kind of the same thing.

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 1:39:23Speaker 05

  So unless

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Wait, don't give it away yet.

• 1:39:25Speaker 05

  Well, I was just gonna say A couple of these letters are all in the same word.

• 1:39:29Tom Bilyeu?

  That's I'm asking, okay.

• 1:39:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:30Tom Bilyeu?

  But just to be clear, though, they are all different words.

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:39:35Tom Bilyeu?

  They are part of a phrase. Trust me, I know what they are.

• 1:39:38Speaker 05

  I feel like we should clarify that it's not just sexual identity, though.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  You can't give this shit away.

• 1:39:44Speaker 05

  Well, I feel like he's not gonna give it.

• 1:39:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Ryan is terrible at this game because part of the punchline is gonna be that those first letters are, it's heartbreaking. Oh, my God, I can't believe it exists. But like, that it's getting mixed together with like sexual identification.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  What's the G? Give me the G.

• 1:40:01Speaker 05

  I'll let y'all guess, because I threw it off.

• 1:40:03Tom Bilyeu?

  The G is girls.

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  Women, men.

• 1:40:06Speaker 05

  You know men, and men isn't in there at all.

• 1:40:08Speaker 01

  Okay, so women, women and girls.

• 1:40:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  Intersex is the I, is the I, though, is there?

• 1:40:14Tom Bilyeu?

  No. You already got that one.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Yes, it's not, so it's, um, women, girls, um, think of an identity.

• 1:40:21Tom Bilyeu?

  If you get there, I will have a level of shock. Chat, is anybody in chat? Do you guys get this? No, but now you're getting close.

• 1:40:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  M M I.

• 1:40:29Tom Bilyeu?

  If it's not Inuit, but you're on the right track.

• 1:40:31Speaker 01

  It's first person.

• 1:40:32Tom Bilyeu?

  What would the I be? Yes, but there's another word for it.

• 1:40:34Speaker 01

  Indian?

• 1:40:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, you're so close.

• 1:40:36Speaker 05

  Indigenous.

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  Oh, and what's the, what's the?

• 1:40:38Speaker 05

  Missing and murdered indigenous women, girls, and two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, and asexual people.

• 1:40:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Can you please play that clip that I sent you? Uh, it's right under this. This, this video was too amazing. Uh, so wherever you got that one from.

• 1:40:58Speaker 01

  To be fair, not just because a lot of people are being murdered, doesn't make it a genocide.

• 1:41:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Also true.

• 1:41:03Speaker 06

  Online have been mocking the MMIW G2S LGBTQIA+ acronym, making out that it's some kind of joke. MMIW G2S LGBTQIA+ was simply an upgrade from LGBTQIA+ in order to be more inclusive to missing people in indigenous communities. Comparing MMIW G2S LGBTQIA+ to a strong password or the next sequel in the Call of Duty franchise is not only grossly offensive, but deeply disrespectful to those communities who are simply asking for us to adjust our language and board an LGBTQIA+ acronym.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  I love how many times he does it. It also doesn't include pansexual.

• 1:41:36Tom Bilyeu?

  That's, that's an outrage. That is an outrage. But I think they're supposed to be rounded up in the plus.

• 1:41:43Speaker 01

  No, they're not. The plus is something else.

• 1:41:45Speaker 05

  I think they're encompassed by the the B, because I think bisexual.

• 1:41:49Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Do not step on this landmine. That's a landmine, because the whole point is, I think bisexual, in this ethos, bisexual people don't sleep with trans people, at least for the time being. They're allowed to, and pansexual means bisexual, including trans. I think that's.

• 1:42:09Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think I knew that definition.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  I think that's a set theory.

• 1:42:12Speaker 05

  I mean, I've always just heard the difference is pansexual is just, I don't even think about gender.

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  But there is a difference.

• 1:42:19Speaker 05

  But to me, that doesn't mean like, a bisexual wouldn't sleep with a trans person.

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  But a bisexual might not sleep with a gender fluid person, or a non-binary person.

• 1:42:28Tom Bilyeu?

  And this stuff gets hard to track.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  Is non-binary even there? Non-binary is not even there.

• 1:42:33Speaker 05

  That's more gender identity, though.

• 1:42:35Tom Bilyeu?

  That's either Q or the plus.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  No, the Q is queer and the Q is questioning.

• 1:42:39Tom Bilyeu?

  But queer, doesn't it include like?

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  You could be queer and not be non-binary?

• 1:42:44Speaker 05

  Well, non-binary is gender.

• 1:42:46Speaker 01

  Right, and queer, right.

• 1:42:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow, this is getting specific. I'm gonna need to.

• 1:42:52Speaker 05

  But that, but that's, I think that's.

• 1:42:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Vote at this point.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  That's where the hypocrisy of this comes to, is because like, you're adding in murdered and missing indigenous women, but you're leaving out people with other sexual identities in the sexual.

• 1:43:04Speaker 01

  Or how about murdered, missing boys?

• 1:43:06Tom Bilyeu?

  They don't count. They don't count. How dare you? How dare you?

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  Do you know Dave Landau?

• 1:43:12Tom Bilyeu?

  I know the name.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  He's a comedian. He's got this great joke about when he was a kid, you know, some old man came up to him, and this is a true story, and after him, Candy had to go in his van, and he's like, I'm lucky he was just like Butterfingers, because if he had Twix, I'd be face down in a river.

• 1:43:26Speaker 05

  Jesus.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  That's good. That's good. But yeah, what's the commentary on this? Is this just another episode of suicidal empathy? Are we missing the plot at this point?

• 1:43:40Tom Bilyeu?

  This to me, yeah, this is people that have lost the plot. So this is going back to the, some people just need to be chased by lions. Like, we are going to have a thing that we care about.

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  In that community in large.

• 1:43:51Tom Bilyeu?

  I think we all have like this innate need to protect, to push back, to create boundaries. And so when people don't have anything that's like, for real, for real, like this is some life and death shit, you start really getting out there on the abstraction layer.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  Tumble you, my hero. I had this exact same question to Brett Weinstein, who is an evolutionary biologist or psychologist. I have like, here's my theory or hypothesis. One's the wrong term. One's the right one. He yelled at me. I said, my hypothesis slash theory is that capitalism, and I did a book, I edited a book called The Paleo Manifesto. And the paleo, the paleo worldview is that our technology advanced past the biology. So there's a mismatch, right? So I thought, okay, our brains are wired as cavemen or whatever for resource scarcity. What happens when you have shelter and food, everything available, the brain doesn't shut off. It starts looking for problems where there are not none because that is hardwired. And Brett said, you're exactly correct. And this is what you're seeing.

• 1:44:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, a hundred percent. This is one of the first things I noticed in entrepreneurship was that some people just, they had no real threat to deal with and they started acting very strange. And I was just like, what is going on? So yeah, I think this is that at scale. Like at some point also, it is a self obsession. Like being able to get outside of your own head is a very wise thing to do. And to see yourself as, you know, being in like, these people have to suffer me, if you see what I mean. And so not wanting to be as torturous on somebody in terms of how they think about you.

• 1:45:25Speaker 01

  It could even be simpler that now this lady has a bigger bureaucracy and a bigger budget.

• 1:45:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  And it's like, look, hey, I'm the, I'm the woman who started talking about this. Give me money, give me staff. I'm going to run for higher office. So it's cynical that.

• 1:45:37Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm in the oppression Olympics and all that stuff. It's super wild that people look for that kind of stuff. We want the credibility. We want status. And if we're going to get status by being a victim, then so be it. I think that is terrible. As a PSA, boys and girls, please, everybody's going to be victim to something at some point.

• 1:45:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't make that your identity. Find some way out of that. Think about, I can do something, change something and get a different result.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  And if they want to talk about murder, I think the third leading, can you look this up, leading cause of death in Canada is medically assisted suicide. Murder right now. So she's worried about people being murdered. Maybe the ones in the hospital by the doctors. And you're gonna have, for their worldview, it's gonna disproportionately people who are LGBTQ, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because the point is allegedly they're so oppressed, they're gonna have higher rates of suicide and depression. So maybe you should worry about all of those people who are being driven in a suicidal direction.

• 1:46:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I, I haven't fact checked this enough to see if this is backed up, but there was a recent study that came out of Finland, I think, where they followed trans people and they had a control group. So they didn't receive any treatment and then ones that did. And their rates of suicidal ideation skyrocketed post surgery.

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  Because

• 1:46:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Skyrocketed.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  Because our cultures don't talk about trade offs. So the idea, like even if, if you're a female who's taking after menopause estrogen, there's going to be some cost to it. If you're a male taking, look, you have low testosterone, take testosterone, there's gonna be some trade off. But the argument for trans people is if you do this, there's no cost to it. And it's just like, it makes no sense on a biological level. You're not gonna have side effects from taking hormones. Hormones change the body and they're not being prepped for this.

• 1:47:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  And that's the

• 1:47:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Especially if you have surgery, like, bro, that's rough.

• 1:47:19Speaker 01

  Right. And also you're not going to literally be a female.

• 1:47:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Yeah, that part caught me off guard. I didn't realize that was the argumentation was that, no, no, no. If you are trans, you are literally the other gender.

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I was like, wait, what?

• 1:47:33Speaker 01

  Or I'd be perceived that way.

• 1:47:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Even the perceived thing, some people really can, like there are some people that can pass like good and proper.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  Sure, but plenty of them can't.

• 1:47:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, probably the majority.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Right, so then what, you're not, you're being told.

• 1:47:45Tom Bilyeu?

  My thing is even if you pass, if your internal identity goes all the way to I am that, that's where I get lost.

• 1:47:53Speaker 01

  Sure, but the point is in terms of the depression, if you're told if you get these surgeries, you'll be able to live the life as a female and that is not true, you're, you ran out of options. If you aren't going under the knife, that's your last resort.

• 1:48:04Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm also just worried about complications, man.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  I mean, that's, I'm trying to steel men this as much as possible.

• 1:48:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, like I've heard horror stories about people like the women who take the, trans women, so they invert the penis. Yeah, male to female. But they'll get like hairs that are still growing.

• 1:48:23Speaker 01

  Of course, because the shaft.

• 1:48:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, oh god.

• 1:48:25Speaker 01

  And they have to sit on a, I know we have kids watching, but they have to dilate for the rest of their lives. Or it seals up because of the wound.

• 1:48:31Tom Bilyeu?

  So wild. Yeah, that's rough.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  Uh, one of the leading causes, I haven't gotten an actual ranking. I only was able to pull up an old one from my 2022, but it's over.

• 1:48:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Causes of what?

• 1:48:41Speaker 02

  Uh, death in Canada, assisted suicide. They just reached the milestone of 100,000.

• 1:48:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  Dead by the practice.

• 1:48:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow. That escalated quickly.

• 1:48:50Speaker 01

  You have to talk to Kelsey Sharon about this. She's been talking about this all the time.

• 1:48:54Tom Bilyeu?

  That's wild, man. It has been wonderful, uh, having you on the show. It's also been fun to get to know you, to do some meals. You are one of the only people that I actually make non-professional time for.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  You are one of three people I've met who I completely misjudged when I met you and have only continued to impress me.

• 1:49:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow. That's very kind. I appreciate that.

• 1:49:15Speaker 01

  It's the truth.

• 1:49:16Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:50:01Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  Take care, everyone. Thank you so much.

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