David Cross | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher sits down with David Cross and what starts as loose, slightly irreverent banter turns into one of those conversations where you realize—oh right, nobody actually agrees on anything anymore. Especially when it comes to “cancel culture.” Is it real? Is it exaggerated? Or is it just what we call it now when the crowd turns on you? David gets into the Netflix sketch that vanished, while Bill draws the line between being actually canceled and just not getting invited back—which, let’s be honest, are very different things. They get into comedy, where the line is (or isn’t), and why both sides seem to have lost their sense of humor. Along the way: Charlie Manson, Elvis, Brando, the grind of touring, getting older, and the brutal reality of knowing when it’s time to let a dog go. Try Claude for free at https://www.claude.ai/clubrandom Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:53Bill Maher?

  You know, now I'm bringing up Chunky.

• 1:56Speaker 04

  Could you tell me the logline for "bringing up Chunky"? I'm curious.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  A snob. I didn't, I did not see it for a reason. I just didn't see it.

• 2:08Bill Maher?

  I'm personally offended that you didn't see it.

• 2:12Bill Maher?

  David.

• 2:13Speaker 04

  Hey. I let myself in. And I started without you. I hope that's okay. How are you, man?

• 2:19Bill Maher?

  How are you?

• 2:20Speaker 04

  Good.

• 2:21Bill Maher?

  I rushed here. I couldn't bear to keep you waiting, but.

• 2:24Speaker 04

  How were you out of breath?

• 2:25Bill Maher?

  I literally was just.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  You didn't jog here from your.

• 2:28Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, no. But I ran from my house.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  Please, take a seat.

• 2:31Bill Maher?

  And, uh, I almost never do this on a Friday, but I would not miss the opportunity. I haven't seen you in, how long has it been?

• 2:40Speaker 04

  Uh, I mean.

• 2:42Bill Maher?

  I mean, gotta be at least a decade that's up.

• 2:44Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 2:45Bill Maher?

  Like I say, last year.

• 2:48Speaker 04

  No, it, I, oh, gosh. It was pre-COVID, that's for sure. I did the show.

• 2:53Bill Maher?

  But that's a long time.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  Uh, my father-in-law was very excited to meet you. You got high with my father-in-law.

• 3:01Bill Maher?

  When was this? At Real Time?

• 3:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was afterwards, uh, also there was like a.

• 3:09Bill Maher?

  You did Real Time?

• 3:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:12Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Um, and then we, we went out. My, my father-in-law is a huge fan, uh, of mine, so he came along and, uh,

• 3:23Speaker 04

  I will.

• 3:23Bill Maher?

  How do you get along with your father-in-law?

• 3:26Speaker 04

  Oh, really? Great. I mean, he's, he's a legend, you know? It's Russ Hamblin.

• 3:29Bill Maher?

  Oh, right.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's just.

• 3:32Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  His stories are insane and.

• 3:36Bill Maher?

  Like what?

• 3:37Speaker 04

  I mean, well, the, uh, like the, the stories mostly of, in a, in a kind of Forrest Gumpian way, like, ah, you know, uh, uh, I was hanging out and then, uh, Charlie, gave Charlie Manson a, uh, who was hitchhiking and then, um, when I was, and then I had to go, um,

• 4:02Speaker 04

  into the army and, uh, and they had me teach, uh, Elvis Presley to, I mean, just these crazy stories and, and, uh,

• 4:11Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I know people like that. That's funny. We're getting to that age.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:15Bill Maher?

  Where you realize at a certain age, like, it's amazing the things you haven't done.

• 4:25Speaker 04

  You're talking about me specifically?

• 4:26Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, just in general, like, like, almost anything somebody can name, yeah, that happened to me. You know, like, like, you live long enough and you'll do everything.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:36Bill Maher?

  And, and meet a lot of people. I mean, I already could, like, I mean, probably list fifty people who have been guests on either Politically Incorrect or Real Time who are now dead.

• 4:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm not bragging, and I didn't kill them. No, but I'm just saying as a, as a marker-

• 4:55Speaker 04

  You're saying there's a connection there.

• 4:56Bill Maher?

  I'm saying as a marker of time passing.

• 4:59Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 4:59Bill Maher?

  You know, I do remember when the, when the first guest, we used to have a list of all the guests-

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Wouldn't it be great if I died right now? I just had a massive-

• 5:08Bill Maher?

  Well, damn, great for me, yes. For publicity, you, not so much. You look like you're having a good life, so we don't want to cut that short.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, no, I'm, I'm-

• 5:18Bill Maher?

  I mean, you're wearing shorts, which-

• 5:20Speaker 04

  It's fucking, you know, a hundred, whatever, eighty-nine degrees out there, whatever.

• 5:25Bill Maher?

  I, I mean, it could be nine-hundred degrees, I wouldn't wear shorts, like, at night to an interview, but that's me.

• 5:32Speaker 04

  That is you.

• 5:33Bill Maher?

  You're a different cat, I mean, I admire it in a way, it's like, I don't have that kind of confidence, I guess.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  You wouldn't want me to be uncomfortable.

• 5:40Bill Maher?

  No, I, I know, I love it for you. We're all different.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  Also, I, I, I have to ask, because I, you know, was wandering around-

• 5:50Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  That is real? That's crazy!

• 5:56Bill Maher?

  Three nine eleven, sure.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  A, a guy with a towel on his head-

• 6:00Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  -jumping-

• 6:02Bill Maher?

  Into the World Trade Center.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  Into the World Trade Center.

• 6:04Bill Maher?

  Well, the World Trade Center has a sandcastle, for people who are listening.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, yes.

• 6:09Bill Maher?

  World Trade, they're at the beach.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  And he's a kid.

• 6:12Bill Maher?

  And a kid, but he's got his, a towel wrapped around his head that makes him look like Yasser Arafat.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he's got, uh-

• 6:18Bill Maher?

  And a-

• 6:18Speaker 04

  Sunglasses.

• 6:19Bill Maher?

  Sunglasses, and he's got a shovel in his hand, and he's jumping-

• 6:23Speaker 04

  Into-

• 6:24Bill Maher?

  -rightly into the Twin Towers as a sandcastle, so, it's the New Yorker cover, you're from July twenty-sixth, nineteen ninety-three.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Wow. That's pretty, that's pretty wild.

• 6:38Bill Maher?

  I mean liberals should never get full of themselves because you don't have to go far, that far back to find out when they were just absolutely not liberal. I did a whole thing on when Brando won the Oscar and he sent up the Indian girl. And most of Hollywood went ape shit about it. They didn't, you know, like, of course, John Wayne had to be literally restrained from punching her. But they booed and it was just, it just, you know.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  What do you mean, like?

• 7:11Bill Maher?

  We live in, you know, I also did a bit once about, like, you don't have to go that far back to find movies, you know, in this century that are made by the most liberal people and it's just all white people in a way they would never do today.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  Right. Well, that's called progression and evolution.

• 7:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, sure. I mean, and sometimes they take it too far and go over the top with wokeness, but yes, absolutely, progress and nothing progressives hate more than admitting progress.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Well, what do you mean?

• 7:44Bill Maher?

  Well, when you admit progress, you admit that there's not still work to be done. I mean, there, they.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Well, those two things are mutually exclusive. You can, you can make progress and still say, although hopefully not in a dickish way, that there's more work to be done.

• 8:02Bill Maher?

  Absolutely. That is the correct, in my view, my, that is exactly my opinion, my view.

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 8:08Bill Maher?

  That's not how they see it. They see it. They see it as here's an opportunity for some people to come in second in a I hate racism the most contest. It's not going to be me.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  Well, I, I think.

• 8:22Bill Maher?

  It's a lot about, sometimes a lot about their feelings more than the issue itself and how it makes them feel.

• 8:28Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 8:29Bill Maher?

  Okay, good.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  For sure. And I, but I think they're the, the.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  What I've experienced when I run up against people like that is

• 8:46Speaker 04

  the thing that they all share is kind of a lack of humor, sense of humor.

• 8:52Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  They're, I'm glad they're serious and I'm glad they're doing something that's

• 8:59Speaker 04

  that is helpful.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  But, you know, and we share this personality trait. It's you make a snarky comment that's funny and pointed and they don't think it's funny. They don't, and they're also like, hey, you know, that's not cool.

• 9:21Bill Maher?

  They're a parody of themselves.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 9:24Bill Maher?

  They're an eye roll, they're a cliche. Because, yes, are some things literally not funny? Yes. But we draw the line at a very different place than they do. And also, we draw the line in a very different place than we used to. Because we certainly used to be able to, and again, liberal people have done blackface, liberal people have, and they, nobody cared at the time. And it wasn't meant, it was always meant as a way to point about the evil of racism. It wasn't supporting it. But it changed, but then things changed and they decided, no, you can't even do it in support of the idea. And okay, I'm fine with that. I shouldn't like get to vote on what it is.

• 10:09Bill Maher?

  But it is a big change. And again, liberal people, you don't have to go far, that far back when we were all acting differently. And my thing is just like, if you did something that was like, 20 years later, they go, oh my god, how dare you? But at the time, no one else gave a shit? You know, you did the sketch, you did whatever, and there was no comment, then you have to cancel everybody 20 years ago. Because everybody just let it happen.

• 10:39Speaker 04

  Well, it's, it's interesting you say that because, you know, I have, I have a real issue with the idea of

• 10:55Speaker 04

  Cancel cult, the idea that that cancel culture has, I think it's accorded more power than it really has. And I think it's, and I say this as someone who literally, because you know, what you just mentioned, literally did a sketch on the rebooted Mr. Show with Bob and David for Netflix.

• 11:21Bill Maher?

  Oh, I loved it.

• 11:22Speaker 04

  Uh, thanks.

• 11:23Bill Maher?

  I saw you guys did a.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Do you know, do you know, they took, so we did a sketch where I, my character gets in blackface. And it's, it's, it was based on, inspired by those, all those videos people started making of like, you know, we're, I'm a sovereign citizen and I'm gonna test this thing out with the police. And they would go film themselves and, you know, hassle a cop or something, do something stupid. And.

• 11:54Bill Maher?

  Black Like Me, the book.

• 11:55Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 11:56Bill Maher?

  The famous book, Black Like Me. It was a famous book in 1959.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Was that Baldwin?

• 12:01Bill Maher?

  No, no, no. It was a guy who, um.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I haven't read it.

• 12:07Bill Maher?

  He, he wanted to see, and this is pre-civil rights era, like when it was just sort of starting to bubble up. You know, he's, I wanna see what it's like and show people what it's like to walk through the world.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:20Bill Maher?

  With dark skin in America in 1959. You couldn't do it today, but it certainly was, you know, again, I don't know if they're, sometimes their own worst enemy. It's such a brilliant way to, and a necessary way to open people's eyes toward what we are trying to achieve.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  Well, I think.

• 12:40Bill Maher?

  That awareness.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  That example is, is, uh, that'd be a shame if a person couldn't do that today. It's a genius thing to do.

• 12:50Bill Maher?

  You couldn't.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  But, but, but to go back to what I'm saying.

• 12:54Bill Maher?

  And you don't need to, but, yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  So in the sketch, I play this idiot character who's trying to, it's called Know Your Rights, and he's one of these guys like, "Okay." So they, you know, put up a sign that says, "You can't do this, but I'm a sovereign citizen and I have every right and I'm gonna show you your rights, whatever." And he goes and Keegan-Michael Key plays a cop and I'm trying to get him to arrest me or whatever and everything I do, he's just like, "That's cool, just, you know, take your time and, you know, look out and do better next time and we'll see," you know. And I keep upping the bar, so then I put blackface on, you know, drive around and

• 13:44Speaker 04

  then, and I'm the idiot, the character is the idiot for doing this. And then, he's still pretty cool, but then Jay Johnson, playing a white cop, comes out and just pepper sprays me and beats the shit out of me. And the point is made in several ways. Netflix didn't just take that sketch out, they took the entire episode off the air. And that's being canceled.

• 14:12Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that is canceled.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  Literally.

• 14:14Bill Maher?

  I mean, people sometimes wanna say, "Cancel." People are canceled because they're still doing this or that. There are different gradations of it. There's soft canceling. I would say, I've had some of that happen to me.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  Like what?

• 14:27Bill Maher?

  Soft canceling would be like, "We will never give you an Emmy, even though plainly I've deserved them."

• 14:36Speaker 04

  No, Bill.

• 14:37Bill Maher?

  And, no? You don't think I've ever, you don't think my show is...

• 14:40Speaker 04

  I don't know what the categories or the context or any of that.

• 14:44Bill Maher?

  You don't watch that shit?

• 14:46Speaker 04

  I don't, I really don't and I don't, I haven't watched an award show in fucking forever and they're all bullshit, political garbage anyway.

• 14:56Bill Maher?

  Anyway, it's not fully, I'm just saying, there are gradations of ways you can soft cancel or hard cancel is like, well, you may never show your face in this town again. We will never, and usually that's, you know, for good reason. I mean, there's a good reason that, you know, a lot of the original wave of Me Too guys. Matt Lauer, sounds like he was a pig.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 15:23Bill Maher?

  You know, like the Charlie Rose. You'll never see these people, you know, out to dinner even. You can't even go to a restaurant when you're that canceled. But yeah, there's different, some people like Louis CK can certainly play anywhere in the world and sell out big stadium, theaters, whatever. Auditoriums for his stand-up fans. But much harder to like get a studio to like do a movie, you know?

• 15:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:54Bill Maher?

  That's a kind of cancellation. Woody Allen, they won't work with him anymore, even though I think that's a bogus charge.

• 16:01Speaker 04

  I don't know, I think we, I just think we need a new term that's more, that's not so

• 16:08Speaker 04

  definitive, you know? I mean, but for you to say there's soft canceling and hard canceling, to me, that means we need some, some new language for it.

• 16:18Bill Maher?

  Hit me.

• 16:20Speaker 04

  Give me a minute. I'll text you when I'm.

• 16:24Bill Maher?

  Fuck you up versus fuck you up badly, I mean, I don't know.

• 16:27Speaker 04

  When I'm on the plane.

• 16:28Bill Maher?

  Do you remember the, speaking of this general subject, do you remember the Mr. Show sketch? This is probably the first iteration of it.

• 16:39Bill Maher?

  Where it was like they were about slavers and the line was.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 16:43Bill Maher?

  People selling people to people.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 16:47Bill Maher?

  Which is like one of the most devastatingly funny lines. And again, I don't even know if, trust me, there are people in this world who will certainly find something about that to object to.

• 16:58Speaker 04

  Oh, for sure, yeah. I mean, these, that's what I'm, that's going back to the idea that, you know, people.

• 17:09Speaker 04

  Who don't really know me that well, who know little bits and pieces of my work here and there. Assume that I'm a super lefty, a political comic, and I'm not, I'm not a political comic. I'm a comic who talks about politics, you know, in part.

• 17:28Bill Maher?

  Sure.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  Of a much bigger thing, but I can't tell you how many times in, you know, as I was coming up doing stuff in Boston, you know, Cambridge, San Francisco, I would get booed and hissed for, you know, the joke that, and it's, it's.

• 17:46Bill Maher?

  Well, you did Gay Jesus. Something like that is always gonna.

• 17:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:51Bill Maher?

  Certain number of people do not want to hear Jesus talking like.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, on both sides, both, you know.

• 17:58Bill Maher?

  Absolutely.

• 17:59Speaker 04

  Part of the spectrum.

• 17:59Bill Maher?

  Well, Jesus fan.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and people who think that you're somehow denigrating gay people by doing that, you know, and. No, I would get hisses and boos, like, you know, at progressive, you know, cities and places.

• 18:18Bill Maher?

  Good, that means you're doing something right.

• 18:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I don't, I don't, I didn't go off crying. I was, I'm just saying like.

• 18:25Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  It's not so cut and dry, you know, and I find that there's the, the, the thread through all that is people who. Their sense of humor gets blocked by emotion, you know, and.

• 18:41Bill Maher?

  Correct, I agree.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  And it's, it's, it's a bummer, you know?

• 18:46Bill Maher?

  And as someone from the South.

• 18:50Bill Maher?

  I mean, where are you more comfortable real? I mean, I know that the cliche would be, well, in the South, they're gonna be a bunch of rednecks. Yeah, but in the South, they're also gonna be like more like ready to laugh.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Oh, I have some of my best shows in the South. I mean, regionally, you know?

• 19:07Bill Maher?

  As opposed to places where, I mean, I've had some great audiences in San Francisco, and I've had some of the politi, though, you're too PC.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:17Bill Maher?

  And I'm, I'm a bad man.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 19:19Bill Maher?

  And, you know, so people used to ask me, where do I like to go? I would always say the red states because I would attract a mostly liberal crowd in a red state.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  They're so fucking happy to see you. They're so, here's what I experienced.

• 19:34Bill Maher?

  And don't ever stick up their ass, basically.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  No, but, but they're, there's a, there's a, uh, when I go to, uh, you know, places even like, uh, like Missoula, Montana, I was gonna shoot my last special there, but then, uh, some stuff happened, but I was gonna...

• 19:55Bill Maher?

  So you'll go anywhere?

• 19:56Speaker 04

  I'll go anywhere, yeah. I will go, absolutely go anywhere.

• 19:58Bill Maher?

  I was like that. I just quit last year, but I, for forty years, I was pretty much like that.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  You mean like, you're...

• 20:04Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I stopped doing stand-up. I did a special, yeah, I did my last special. It was on a year ago, taped December twenty twenty-four, and I was like, I'm out.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  And wait, wait, wait, I wanna, uh, we'll, we'll get back to that, but I wanna, what was that decision like for you?

• 20:21Bill Maher?

  Tough, obviously. It's like cutting off your arm in a way. I mean, I've been doing this on, there's nothing that's more consistent throughout my whole life from when I was twenty-two and got out of college and moved to New York and tried to be a comic hanging out at Catch a Rising Star in the improv. So to not do it was, felt just weird.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:40Bill Maher?

  But, um, you know, first of all, I'm seventy. I thought, oh, that's a good number to maybe go. First of all, it's not healthy.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  You look great for seventy, bud.

• 20:50Bill Maher?

  Well, finish your thought. Uh, but it's, it's, uh, thank you. It's, uh, it's not healthy travel in general.

• 20:58Speaker 04

  Oh, I know, it's, it's...

• 20:59Bill Maher?

  It isn't.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  It's bad, it's hard, it's really bad.

• 21:01Bill Maher?

  Planes are not healthy, uh, even private ones. I was very fortunate, uh, to travel like a pimp all over the country. Uh, but, uh, e- even still, um, and, and hotels got worse.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Is there a dog sleeping somewhere? Do you hear that?

• 21:19Bill Maher?

  Uh, there is a dog sleeping somewhere, but not anywhere near this.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  What am I hearing?

• 21:24Bill Maher?

  Um, I don't know. The place is charming in a sort of down and dirty way, so it could be anything.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Honestly, it sounds like there's a dog sleeping.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  There it is.

• 21:44Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  It stopped. Nope, there it is. Okay, sorry, sorry.

• 21:47Bill Maher?

  Wow, you have better hearing than I do.

• 21:49Speaker 04

  I, well, all right.

• 21:53Bill Maher?

  But even if there was a dog like me, it would be kind of a soothing thing to hear. I actually like it when I hear my dog snore.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:02Bill Maher?

  It's like he's happy, he's content, he's secure. He feels good enough to see just.

• 22:06Speaker 04

  What kind of dog do you have?

• 22:07Bill Maher?

  Uh, at the time, ancient. I mean, I've had two for a very long time. One died in August.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  How old?

• 22:14Bill Maher?

  Oh, just old as fuck. And, you know, I mean, it just gets to that moment. You, what do you have, dogs?

• 22:21Speaker 04

  Uh, I do, we're on our third dog.

• 22:23Bill Maher?

  Third dog?

• 22:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:24Bill Maher?

  You've been married for how long?

• 22:27Speaker 04

  It'll be 14 years in October. But, uh.

• 22:31Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  This is my third dog, our family's second. But, uh, yeah, I have a, I talk about having to put my dog down,

• 22:42Speaker 04

  um, a few specials ago and, and I waited too long, you know? I, and I knew it, I knew it.

• 22:49Bill Maher?

  Too long?

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, to, to, I should have done it. She, she was in.

• 22:54Bill Maher?

  Because she was so much pain?

• 22:55Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. And I, she had a diaper and I had to carry her up and downstairs.

• 22:59Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no, no, it is so hard to know when to have the death panel, as they used to say about Obamacare. There was gonna be death panels, remember that?

• 23:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:08Bill Maher?

  But you do have to have the death panel. Because at some point, right, it's, it's, you're just making this creature suffer. And, and it's inevitable. It's not like, uh, you know, there's certain things where you just know it's only gonna get worse. For example, in the middle of the night, if you feel like you have to go to the bathroom, like, do I really have to go? But you know in your mind, it's not gonna get better. In 20 minutes, I'm not gonna have to go to the bathroom less.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:38Bill Maher?

  So, I might as well.

• 23:40Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:40Bill Maher?

  On the first.

• 23:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:42Bill Maher?

  I I'm gonna go.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  Until you get to the point where you're so relaxed, you're like, you know what, I'll change the sheets, I'll move over there, I'll roll over, it's fine.

• 23:51Bill Maher?

  I always thought though, they that somebody missed a good trick by not inventing something that was like, uh, okay, bear with me, like, like a a receptacle that you put on the floor by the bed, right?

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:06Bill Maher?

  And it and it has some sort of tube coming out of it. And then you could just lie in bed and put, put your dick in the tube.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  That has to exist.

• 24:18Bill Maher?

  Have you ever seen it?

• 24:20Speaker 04

  No, because I'm not that lazy. But I I I'm sure somewhere.

• 24:27Bill Maher?

  I don't, I don't think so. Check Amazon, check like.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  What would you Google?

• 24:33Bill Maher?

  Piss tube, I don't know what the fuck it is.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  Then you're gonna get some punk band from from the early eighties.

• 24:41Bill Maher?

  I've never seen anybody talk about it. I've never certainly seen one, I've never seen one advertised. I feel like I those kind of infomercials that are on TV all the time for all sorts of crazy shit like that.

• 24:53Speaker 04

  Dude, I, I, I started doing this bit, which is a real thing that I experienced about, like where I'm watching TV, I'm kind of mindlessly watching. And it suddenly dawns on me that every commercial is for old people who can't who have to go to the bathroom in a different way and like.

• 25:16Bill Maher?

  Right, everything, because the, the only people watching TV are people who have to worry about going to the bathroom when you least expect it.

• 25:26Speaker 04

  Right, or, or are you tired of falling down in the shower or things like you can't get into the shower properly?

• 25:35Bill Maher?

  See, this is when I hope they do the death panel for me. I mean, when it gets to the point where it's bathroom issues, again.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  Well, it sounds like you're almost there.

• 25:46Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, I'm.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  You're asking for a tube.

• 25:49Bill Maher?

  I, first of all, I wouldn't use this.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  You totally would.

• 25:53Bill Maher?

  I would.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  You would totally use it.

• 25:54Bill Maher?

  Yeah, maybe I would. Uh, I mean, but I mean, think about it. You don't have to get up to go to the bathroom. You, you just stick your dick in the tube.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  I like it.

• 26:02Bill Maher?

  I, I, I mean, you know.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  Can I tell you what I've started to do?

• 26:06Bill Maher?

  Cut to billionaires. More encroaches me after their massive invention revolutionizes sleeping.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  So Shark Tank, let's do it. Let's get on Shark Tank.

• 26:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Well, somebody's gonna see it and steal it now. But they would have stolen it anyway, because that's the nature of American capitalism.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 26:26Bill Maher?

  You cannot.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Hey, the best things were stolen, right?

• 26:29Bill Maher?

  Everything, but.

• 26:30Speaker 04

  The light bulb.

• 26:31Bill Maher?

  If you.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  The TV.

• 26:33Bill Maher?

  Everything.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  Was all stolen.

• 26:35Bill Maher?

  Yeah, everything.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Fritos, Fritos, you know?

• 26:38Bill Maher?

  Fritos.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Fritos, a guy.

• 26:39Bill Maher?

  Oh, the Bandito?

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Yes, the Bandito.

• 26:42Bill Maher?

  You said stolen.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Oh, so. The, uh, that's not fair to say stolen, but, uh, the guy was given, the guy's like, hey, I'll give you five bucks for that. You know, whatever it was, the Frito Lay Frito. And then, uh, so I shouldn't say stolen, that's, that's not it. But the light bulb and, uh.

• 27:00Bill Maher?

  Everything.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  TV, yeah, yeah.

• 27:02Bill Maher?

  But it's terrible, because if you are a, a, a person with no means, but you do come up with a great idea, the, the second you let that idea out,

• 27:14Bill Maher?

  big companies will find a way to steal it. And then you sue them or whatever, and they have a trillion dollar lawyer fund that can just wear you down.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 27:26Bill Maher?

  And, yeah, so it's, uh, it's a little like how third parties in this country never succeed, because once you get popular enough, your ideas get stolen by one of the other two parties. That's what always happens. They co-op.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  And they know how to, uh, figure out how to cut your support just enough to, you know, help the other guy. They've been really good at that.

• 27:55Bill Maher?

  But it is amazing, though, how we do get locked into just like Coke or Pepsi. You gotta make, I mean, this, I could, I don't want to go into, if I did want to, like, long lists from both sides of things I hate.

• 28:14Bill Maher?

  But you still got a choice. You're always having to make the choice between what do you just hate less?

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:20Bill Maher?

  You know? And it seems theoretically if there were more choices, you wouldn't. But I don't know if that's true either. I mean, European countries parliamentary systems, they always have more than two parties.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, well, most places, I would imagine.

• 28:38Bill Maher?

  You think that's better?

• 28:40Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Yeah, because it's, well, it's more, it's more for the people because you have representation and, you know, but then you end up like...

• 28:51Bill Maher?

  See, that's the difference between you and I. You like the people.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Um, well, you know.

• 28:57Bill Maher?

  The people? You say it like it's a good thing.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  Well, in theory.

• 29:01Bill Maher?

  The people.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  On paper.

• 29:03Bill Maher?

  Have you met the people?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  I have.

• 29:04Bill Maher?

  Seriously?

• 29:05Speaker 04

  I have.

• 29:05Bill Maher?

  Come on.

• 29:08Bill Maher?

  No.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  I like, you know, the fact that you have to form a coalition with people that you might not agree with is good.

• 30:16Bill Maher?

  Right, that's it. That's it. It's coalition forming.

• 30:19Speaker 04

  And, and, you know, there's.

• 30:22Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  Now, what happened in England, I was, I was living in the UK when the Liberal Democrats did surprisingly well. And it was, who was it? I think it was, it was pre-Cameron. It was, oh, it's how, it's how David Cameron got, so the Tories, Labour, and Liberal Democrats.

• 30:48Bill Maher?

  They've had a lot of different faces. Theresa May and Boris Johnson and a lot of faces in that.

• 30:55Speaker 04

  Well, Theresa May was like, what, 105 days? Something like that?

• 30:58Bill Maher?

  Who?

• 30:59Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, it was Theresa.

• 31:01Bill Maher?

  Sunak, right? Richie Sunak was it?

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's, well, she's a.

• 31:05Bill Maher?

  He's gone. And now it's.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Well, he was the mayor.

• 31:08Bill Maher?

  No, no, he was Prime Minister.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 31:11Bill Maher?

  Yeah, absolutely. Yes.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah. He was, he was post.

• 31:18Bill Maher?

  There was a moment.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Yes. Sunak was replaced by Starmer.

• 31:24Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:26Bill Maher?

  There was a moment when England had a Prime Minister who was the scion of an immigrant family from India, right? And I think Scotland had one who was, family came from Pakistan. I mean, you know, talk about progress, like, yeah, just acknowledge it, that, you know, we're not complaining about that. We're just saying, things have come a long way.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  Well, I feel like they're going backwards because they, our, our system now wants them to go backwards. Like, we have people who are openly espousing, you know, white Christian nationalism and that's, you know, women, people openly say women shouldn't vote, you know?

• 32:14Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  No, I'm not that. That's okay. No, but uh.

• 32:21Bill Maher?

  No, there's very frightening things on the right.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that's because progress was made and.

• 32:29Bill Maher?

  Yes, some of it is backlash stuff. But in general, what you see out of a Republican today, like just the garden variety, even the MAGA people. I mean, I certainly met all of them. I mean, the vice president is married to an Indian American.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:49Bill Maher?

  You know, they're just things.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 32:51Bill Maher?

  And they are not, Trump doesn't care about gay.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  No, not at all.

• 32:56Bill Maher?

  So there has been like progress that seeps into even the, you know.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, but that's, yes, but that's.

• 33:03Bill Maher?

  So there are backlash people, but like the rank and file Republican, I don't think is a racist. I think you can get them into positions that look racist. But I don't think in their bones, they're like what the race is kind of what I grew up with. Like a racist was somebody didn't want to shake a black person's hand.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  Yes, we have, I don't think that's a thing. And, but I think there is, I mean, I know there is because they say as much. There's a feeling, a sense that, I mean, like Charlie Kirk stuff that.

• 33:45Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  That women and black people and black women especially are just not, I'm not being an asshole, guys, I'm just saying they don't have the mental.

• 33:58Bill Maher?

  Yeah. There was a little more, I read that when he died, they, you know, of course, lots of places put his greatest hits of worst hit.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:10Bill Maher?

  And then somebody else printed something, and this is what always happens with the media. Like I never trust it because you never get the whole story. Where like each one was put in with the full context. It was never quite as bad. As they said.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  My context is everything, right?

• 34:26Bill Maher?

  It is. I'm just saying, it was easy to pull from his quote bed and find stuff that I certainly don't agree with, even in the context. But it wasn't quite what, it wasn't just, it wasn't quite what you were saying there. That was a dog, sleeping.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Dying.

• 34:43Bill Maher?

  Dying.

• 34:46Bill Maher?

  But, you know, again, I'm the guy who made religious. You don't have to tell me about fucking how religion warps people's thinking and, you know, all these guys who are on this, shall we say, turning the clock back page. It all comes from religion. It all comes from super duper Christianity. And the Bible says that man has dominion over wom- oh, maybe that's animals. He has dominion over animals, but sort of over women, too.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  But it does say that. I mean, it doesn't say dominion, but it says that.

• 35:20Bill Maher?

  Very close.

• 35:21Speaker 04

  It's right. That's what I'm saying. It says that a woman, it implies that a woman should be subservient to the husband.

• 35:29Bill Maher?

  I can accept it in women, but not animals.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  When will the animals rise up? Come on.

• 35:37Bill Maher?

  Well, apparently they're sleeping. They're not even gonna wake up. But yeah, I mean, a lot of it does come from, I mean, you see it in the military. I mean, Pete Hegseth is really super duper Christy, as all dry drunks are.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 35:53Bill Maher?

  You know? And I'm not even saying that he is what they say. I don't believe anybody.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  What about the, um, the, uh...

• 36:04Speaker 04

  He just said something, um, it was, it was almost like a Freudian slip. Not Freudian slip, but a, he's, oh, fuck, I don't, I shouldn't say anything.

• 36:14Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I know what you're, I think I know what you're getting at. You know, he, it's like, the Trump administration are not people who care about saying the quiet part out loud.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 36:26Bill Maher?

  In fact, it's their superpower in some ways. It's like, that's what makes MAGA fans go, finally, somebody said it, somebody's got the balls.

• 36:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:36Bill Maher?

  And sometimes, it's not wrong. And so, you know, I mean.

• 36:40Speaker 04

  What has Trump been right on?

• 36:42Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm, I think he was right to attack Iran.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  Oh, I highly disagree.

• 36:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I know. I figured you would.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  What do you mean? Why?

• 36:50Bill Maher?

  Because I think, I do think of you as like, sort of that, like,

• 36:55Bill Maher?

  down-the-line liberal, like, down-the-line.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  I mean, in, in some ways, I'm definitely, I mean, I'm politically more Democrat Socialist, I believe.

• 37:07Bill Maher?

  You're socialist. Again, I, I think you're plainly, Ben, you're a left of me if you even say you're a socialist.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  Well, I said Democratic Socialist.

• 37:15Bill Maher?

  I know, but that, I know a Democratic Socialist is that Mondami, who's a, who's a straight-up Communist.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  No, he's not. No, he's not.

• 37:25Bill Maher?

  He has someone working.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  Bill!

• 37:26Bill Maher?

  Uh, can I?

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, alright.

• 37:28Bill Maher?

  He is, first of all.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah, he has someone working for him named Cia Weaver.

• 37:33Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:34Bill Maher?

  Have you read about her?

• 37:35Speaker 04

  I have not.

• 37:35Bill Maher?

  See, that means you're in a bubble.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:38Bill Maher?

  Because you should have.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Okay, so I will so edify me.

• 37:43Bill Maher?

  She's like one of his top lieutenants. She's had a, his big issue was the rent's too high. She's the head of, like, we're gonna fix housing. This is like what got him elected. He has not disavowed her, and I could show you all her tweets that she's put out over the last few years in quotes. And one of them is, "Elect more Communists."

• 38:10Bill Maher?

  I don't think you have to read between the lines if somebody he stands with and by is saying, uh, and also, her other quotes are like, "All homeownership is racist."

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Well, that's ridiculous.

• 38:21Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. She's, yes, I have a, I have an issue with that thing that she said. I don't know this woman. I will definitely look her up. Uh, I'm a fan of Mam Donny's. I'm a fan of, uh, yeah, and, uh, I'm.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  I've lived in New York for 25 years.

• 38:41Bill Maher?

  Still smoke pot?

• 38:42Speaker 04

  No, I mean, I wish. It just doesn't, I'm not good with it, and it took me fucking forever to learn my lesson, you know? I wish I could, because I enjoy it.

• 38:52Bill Maher?

  Did you used to? I feel like I've smoked pot with you.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I did. It, it, I just don't, my brain doesn't work well on it. You know what I mean?

• 39:00Bill Maher?

  Well, sure. You just said you like Mandani.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:04Bill Maher?

  Well, let's not argue about.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  I'm, I, I, for me, it's not an argument. It's a conversation. I don't feel like it's an argument.

• 39:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah, okay, okay.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  And I think he, also going from the last, the administrations that were in, that ran New York from when I moved there, I mean, they weren't, you know, Bloomberg was okay in a relative sense, but, but, I mean, de Blasio and Adams were just not good. de Blasio was, was kind of feckless, and Adams was absolutely corrupt, blatantly, and I think

• 39:51Speaker 04

  at, at, in, at, at the, the least, and I think most of, most New Yorkers feel this way, like, let's give this guy a chance.

• 40:07Bill Maher?

  I agree with that.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:09Bill Maher?

  Totally. I'm not, I'm not judging him by what he's done, because it's too early and we don't know what he's gonna do, and he could wind up being an effective adminis-

• 40:17Speaker 04

  I think he's gonna be like LaGuardia. I really do.

• 40:19Bill Maher?

  He could wind up being an effective administrator, but his philosophical pinings, and I could read other things from the Democratic Socialist Party that show that it's, it's not different than communism, a lot of it. It is, I mean, it's like-

• 40:36Speaker 04

  That's just not.

• 40:37Bill Maher?

  It's about, they have, they have statements about, like-

• 40:42Bill Maher?

  The government should take over industries and so forth. Like, I mean-

• 40:46Speaker 04

  Well, I don't, I don't believe that, and I'm not a communist, and I'm-

• 40:50Bill Maher?

  But they do. But that's part of, when I hear social, democratic socialist, I'm telling you, you can read, read up on those-

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Sure, I mean, the, the people I'm fans of politically, call themselves democratic socialists, align with that. Bernie Sanders, AOC-

• 41:10Bill Maher?

  Bernie is not a communist.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  No, he's a democratic socialist, and, uh-

• 41:15Bill Maher?

  That's true.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  And-

• 41:16Bill Maher?

  There's that wing, yes.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  And I've, I've spent, you know, over the years, a bunch of time in Scandinavia, and, uh, and, you know, those countries that are democratic socialist, and they're fucking awesome. Now, I don't live there, and I would-

• 41:36Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Imagine that I would miss certain things, but, I mean, when you look at the list of, and they just came out with the, you know, the 2025 list, the happiest places on earth, and it's always the same-

• 41:50Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  It's always the same thing, and the, one of the outstanding things about all those countries, whether it's, you know, Denmark, or, or Finland, or whatever, is the, uh, one is freedom, and the other is, uh, lack of suspicion in their neighbors, I guess, or people in, in their, you know, community, small and large.

• 42:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I, I totally agree. I did a whole editorial once on the idea that that kind of European socialism was, made people happier for this reason, that happiness is not just what you have, which is what we think in America-

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 42:36Bill Maher?

  It's what you don't have to worry about.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:38Bill Maher?

  What you don't have to sweat, and they don't sweat healthcare.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:41Bill Maher?

  They don't sweat college, you know, they don't sweat being taken care of.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Daycare.

• 42:46Bill Maher?

  Daycare, yeah, things like that. You know, there are things they-

• 42:49Speaker 04

  They have more vacation days.

• 42:50Bill Maher?

  Yes, yes, that too.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  They are happier.

• 42:53Bill Maher?

  That is probably what makes them happier. And that is just not so far the American character, which is, no. You know what, I'm gonna give up those things for the chance to, if I do hit it big, I want all. I mean, we're greedy people.

• 43:09Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 43:09Bill Maher?

  And we also are ambitious. There's the good and the bad in the American character. But, you know, as a friend of mine who came here from Canada said, "In my country, we cut down the tall trees. Here, you don't." And that's certainly also what I've heard from people I know who came from France.

• 43:30Speaker 04

  What does that mean? I don't understand.

• 43:32Bill Maher?

  You can't get too high. You can't, you know, you can't, you're not, you know, we have trillionaires.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  I was, I was taking it literally. And I was like, oh, I don't, that's my, that's my hangup. I take shit way too literally. It's like, it's, oh, it's a metaphor, that makes sense.

• 43:48Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 43:50Bill Maher?

  We good now?

• 43:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a, it's an issue I have.

• 43:53Bill Maher?

  But, um, can I, can I ask a more basic question about this? Do you, I mean, this idea, I read this survey every year also. It's, of course, when you do a lot of shows.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:03Bill Maher?

  You know, your comedy writers are always looking for something to write about. Certainly, the comedy writers would wish we covered this more. I tend to like, ignore it because I feel like it's a bit of a bullshit thing. Maybe they are happier, but how do you, how can you really quantify who's happy and how happy they are?

• 44:24Speaker 04

  You just did, and you were right to do so. That is what it is. You answered your own question.

• 44:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  And I've been there. I've, I, you know, every time.

• 44:33Bill Maher?

  But that doesn't, but that.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  I don't live there, but I'll be there for.

• 44:37Bill Maher?

  It's right for those people, but it does, that doesn't make everybody happy. Some people are riverboat gamblers and are willing to forego those things. Um, and the, we're all in it together, uh, thing.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:53Bill Maher?

  Because they, because they want it all. You know, Glenn Beck once said, I don't know, somebody's talking about, you know, the, how we divide the pie. And he said, it was like talking about talking the quiet part out loud. "I want all my pie."

• 45:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:09Bill Maher?

  People want all the pie, David.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying.

• 45:14Bill Maher?

  That's, I agree with you who's agreeing with me, that it probably is better.

• 45:20Speaker 04

  I think you're agreeing with me when we write down.

• 45:23Bill Maher?

  With not sweating it is a great goal and a great good. But, you know, it is somewhat at variance with the other thing, which is ultimate freedom. I mean, Americans, we love our freedom.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, but we're not that free. I mean, we're not that free.

• 45:41Bill Maher?

  We're not. Right. And certainly, there's nothing more freeing than money. I know, I've been poor, and I've been rich, and it's so much better.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  Absolutely, absolutely.

• 45:53Bill Maher?

  When I was poor, I didn't even have the freedom to eat the food I want.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 45:58Bill Maher?

  That's a basic freedom. And I don't think people think of it in those terms.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I, you're right. Is that tequila?

• 46:07Bill Maher?

  No, that is tequila. Would you like some?

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:10Bill Maher?

  There you go. Yeah, like a big boy. Would you like?

• 46:14Speaker 04

  No.

• 46:15Bill Maher?

  Okay. Well, it's great to see you.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  Oh, you too.

• 46:18Bill Maher?

  It's, uh...

• 46:19Speaker 04

  It has been a while.

• 46:20Bill Maher?

  I can't stand it that the years go by and I don't see the people I'd like to see more.

• 46:26Speaker 04

  Well, you gotta come to New York.

• 46:27Bill Maher?

  We all have such... Is that where you live now, New York?

• 46:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've been there for quite a while.

• 46:31Bill Maher?

  But it was London, because I remember trying so hard, we just started this to get you, calling you all the time. And it was like, he's in London, he can't do it.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did.

• 46:41Bill Maher?

  So you were there because you were doing that show? I remember that, I love that show.

• 46:45Speaker 04

  Oh, thanks. Yeah, I did three seasons of Todd Margaret, and then I did one.

• 46:50Bill Maher?

  Todd Margaret, right.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, the increasingly poor decision of Todd Margaret.

• 46:53Bill Maher?

  The increasingly poor decision, yes.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  It's, yeah, that was a treat. And then I did a show for Sky after that called Bliss.

• 47:03Bill Maher?

  And where did you live? You were right in London?

• 47:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I started, I was hitting every single place. It was great.

• 47:11Bill Maher?

  Living, I mean, you're so living.

• 47:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I loved it. And I'm...

• 47:14Bill Maher?

  And Amber liked it?

• 47:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And we go back, we took our daughter there last year. When I was on tour, when I was doing the European leg, I carved out a week around London during her spring break or whatever.

• 47:29Bill Maher?

  You toured Europe?

• 47:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:30Bill Maher?

  I did it once.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  Oh, it's great.

• 47:32Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 47:33Speaker 04

  I mean, I really...

• 47:36Speaker 04

  I look forward to it. I always, I always.

• 47:38Bill Maher?

  What cities?

• 47:39Speaker 04

  Um.

• 47:40Bill Maher?

  Cause it, some, you can't play Paris.

• 47:43Speaker 04

  No, I never played Paris. I play, uh, like all over the UK and, uh, Ireland.

• 47:48Bill Maher?

  Right. Scotland.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Scotland, yeah.

• 47:51Bill Maher?

  And Amsterdam, of course.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  Amsterdam, yeah.

• 47:53Bill Maher?

  Berlin?

• 47:54Speaker 04

  Uh, I did Berlin for the first time last, last tour.

• 47:58Bill Maher?

  And the Scandinavian country, cause they all speak English perfectly.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and one of the best shows, I, I mean, they were all good, but I'd say the three best shows were, uh, Cologne, Kong, Germany.

• 48:12Bill Maher?

  Germany?

• 48:13Speaker 04

  Fucking great. I like, crazy good. And, uh, Copenhagen.

• 48:19Bill Maher?

  You expected to be all a bunch of Nazis?

• 48:21Speaker 04

  Well, no.

• 48:21Bill Maher?

  You say it like, Germany, who'd have thought they'd laugh?

• 48:24Speaker 04

  No, no. I, I say that because my past experience with, uh, um, Amsterdam and Scandinavian cities in particular is you'll go up and you're, you know, doing an hour and fifteen, whatever, and it, and it's just like people are sitting there and, and you're, you know, you know, you have those interior monologues when you're doing your set that you've done a hundred times and you kind of walk away and, you know, have a whole conversation with yourself.

• 48:55Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  And you're like, what the fuck, man? This is, ah, this is gonna be tough. It's, I mean, they're not awful, but they're just not doing anything, whatever. And you think it sucks and you.

• 49:04Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  By the time you get, you're like, okay, well, uh, that's it. Thank you. And then people fucking leap to their feet and they're cheering and getting a standing ovation. I'm like, what the fuck? So that was an experience I had a couple of times in those places. So when I did Copenhagen, I was, they were like really active and great. It was great. And then Bristol, England was also one of the best, um, shows I did. But it was, yeah, I tour Europe every time I go. It's, it's fun. And I, I, you know, they're, they're happy to see me.

• 49:39Bill Maher?

  How many dates do you do a year? How many, like, stand-up dates?

• 49:43Speaker 04

  I just, I, I.

• 49:44Bill Maher?

  Anywhere in the world?

• 49:45Speaker 04

  When I tour, it'll, it'll be two years in between tours, right?

• 49:50Bill Maher?

  Oh, so you, so you don't do it continually? You just do a tour?

• 49:54Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 49:55Bill Maher?

  Look, I used to, I, I was never like, I never had a tour. I just always did it. Ever like every other weekend, I'd go out and do Saturday and Sunday in two different cities and.

• 50:05Speaker 04

  No, the, what I.

• 50:06Bill Maher?

  Were you saying you're, you have a real tour?

• 50:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, what I do is.

• 50:10Bill Maher?

  For how many months?

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Uh, I mean, over, it depends. Uh. Like, I would say I do between eighty and a hundred and ten shows.

• 50:23Bill Maher?

  Whoa.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  And it, and now, not all back to back.

• 50:27Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  Um, but what I do is I.

• 50:30Bill Maher?

  But like you're away from home for like a month, like a rock band?

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:34Bill Maher?

  Oh, wow.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:35Bill Maher?

  So you're much more of a warrior than I am. I'm, I'm.

• 50:38Speaker 04

  But I, you know, it's, it's fucking hard, man. The travel is just.

• 50:43Bill Maher?

  That's what we, that's what we were saying before.

• 50:44Speaker 04

  It's brutal and it's.

• 50:46Bill Maher?

  It's brutal and.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  And they don't, the people who route these tours, like I go back and forth and back and forth, like, guys, I, how am I gonna get from Sioux Falls to Bozeman, Montana? You, I'm, I looked, you know how I get there? I gotta take a six AM flight to, you know, you get these regional airports and like, I'm not gonna do that.

• 51:07Bill Maher?

  You can't take a plane?

• 51:08Speaker 04

  And, well, you know, you take a plane.

• 51:10Bill Maher?

  You know, your own plane.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Bill, I don't have that kind of money.

• 51:14Bill Maher?

  I, you, doesn't the tour pay for it?

• 51:17Speaker 04

  No.

• 51:17Bill Maher?

  I mean, I mean, the shows that, the money that's making from the tour?

• 51:21Speaker 04

  Cause like. No, I, I do.

• 51:23Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 51:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:24Bill Maher?

  How do you get these venues? You're David Cross.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  I mean, some are theaters and some are, uh, like music venues, clubs where I have like standing room and. No, I cannot take a, uh, I can't even take a tour bus anymore.

• 51:37Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  They're just too expensive.

• 51:39Bill Maher?

  That's.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  But also part of it in, is that I don't, if I went out for four months, which I used to, then I could take a tour bus, cause it all amortizes. But I go back cause I got a kid.

• 51:53Bill Maher?

  Who's house, who, who do you need on a bus?

• 51:55Speaker 04

  Well, it's, it's, you have a driver who's driving you and you can sleep.

• 51:58Bill Maher?

  I know, but why do you need a whole bus?

• 52:00Speaker 04

  Well, you're right. I only need half a bus, but they don't make those, so.

• 52:04Bill Maher?

  So it is you alone on a bus? Or your family?

• 52:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:08Bill Maher?

  You bring the family on the bus?

• 52:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, when my daughter, before my daughter went to school. But uh, um, she's in school and I don't wanna be away for that. So I go back and forth and I'll do ten, twelve days and then I come back for a week, you know? And that, I can't take a bus on it.

• 52:25Bill Maher?

  What do your kids think of what you do for a living?

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Um, I, I, one daughter's nine and she, uh, she hasn't really seen stand-up and probably won't for a while. It's kinda saucy and uh,

• 52:44Speaker 04

  but she, when she was younger, she knew, as she put it, like daddy's silly for a living. He make, that he's silly, that's how he makes his money, being silly. And, but now she's seen a little bit more and I was just in a play in New York. I did Tartuffe with Matthew Broderick.

• 53:02Bill Maher?

  Oh yeah, I read about that in the paper.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  It was, it was, it was great and uh, she came and saw that and it would just, she like, you know, jumped up and she's at that, well, I put her to bed that night. She goes, "Dad, um, is it okay to be proud of you?"

• 53:19Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Oh, I know, my heart.

• 53:22Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 53:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And I was like, "Yeah, honey, I'm, I'm proud of you and you can be proud of me" and, and she, she loved it. And it was, you know, it's just, and it was a crazy costume.

• 53:33Bill Maher?

  I would say you made that up, but it's just too on the money.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  No, no, she said that.

• 53:37Bill Maher?

  No, I'm sure she did.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, as I was putting her to bed, um.

• 53:40Bill Maher?

  Well, I'd like to say that makes me wish I had kids, but it's still nothing.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  Nothing.

• 53:47Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's a cute story, but it certainly wouldn't, wouldn't be worth changing a thou-

• 53:51Speaker 04

  One cute story and I got ninety-nine shitty stories.

• 53:55Bill Maher?

  Thousand diapers for it, trust me, but, okay, so I did read about this in the New York Times. Uh, but you'll forgive me, I don't live in New York and I'm not much of a culture vulture. So Tartuffe, okay, doing a play with Matthew Broderick, that's as high up as you can get in the theater world. Matthew Broderick is, um-

• 54:16Speaker 04

  Probably Nathan Lane, but don't tell Matthew that.

• 54:18Bill Maher?

  Oh. Well, they did the producers together. I mean, but Matthew Broderick is show business royalty on Broadway. So that's a very feathery cap thing for you.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  It was great.

• 54:29Bill Maher?

  And what is Tartuffe? Obviously a French play.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  Moliere.

• 54:33Bill Maher?

  Moliere.

• 54:34Speaker 04

  Do you know Moliere?

• 54:35Bill Maher?

  I know what he said. He said, "To honor all men is to honor none."

• 54:40Speaker 04

  Well, that makes sense. His plays are great and really still relevant.

• 54:45Bill Maher?

  Is he the bourgeois Jean Tiam? The bourgeois gentleman?

• 54:49Speaker 04

  No, he did, uh...

• 54:54Bill Maher?

  Mrs. Malaprop. That's where we get Malapropism.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  From Moliere?

• 55:01Bill Maher?

  Well, from... Don't hold me to that, but some French play like probably Moliere and Mrs. Malaprop. I think it's The Rivals. And that's where we get the term Malapropism.

• 55:15Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 55:16Bill Maher?

  Because she was always getting the words wrong. That was the gag in the play.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  He did The Misanthrope and the...

• 55:21Bill Maher?

  Oh, The Misanthrope, yes.

• 55:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, and the doctor and the physician inspired himself for the invalid.

• 55:26Bill Maher?

  So what's this one about, Tartuffe?

• 55:28Speaker 04

  It's so fucking relevant and it was a kind of modernized version. I mean, the setting wasn't modern, but the language was more... There's a lot of fuck you and stuff and things like that. But, um... So it's about a guy, you know, rich father who has this, you know, a lot of land and that's who I played, Orgon. And Tartuffe is this clearly blatantly bullshit guy who claims to be, you know, religious, close to God. And he basically worms his way into the house. And I end up... And Orgon ends up like making him his heir.

• 56:13Speaker 04

  And he divides the house and everyone in the house. His wife, his kids, the, you know, cleaning lady. They're all like, "He's a fucking... He's lying to you. He clearly isn't." And he tries to seduce the wife. And in a probably the most, you know, most popular scene and Orgon's hiding. But he... Orgon won't hear it until it's like right in front of him. And even then, he finds ways to... Make himself, you know, like, well, I wasn't that fooled, you know.

• 56:49Bill Maher?

  And this is relevant because you're saying the metaphor is that we are the idiot who's being fooled.

• 56:55Speaker 04

  Yes. Well, I'm not being fooled. You're not.

• 57:00Bill Maher?

  Who's Tartuffe in this analogy? If the American public is the idiot rich drunk.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  Uh, I would say it's, uh, it's, you know, the Republican Party. I would say in, in. It's a person who's misrepresenting themselves, who's saying the things that this person wants to hear.

• 57:24Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 57:25Speaker 04

  To get the money to, and eventually he fools Oregon into, tricks him into giving him his house and everything in it.

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• 58:48Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I don't know if you've been following this psychodrama going with Trump, but he was...

• 58:53Speaker 04

  Hey, congratulations, by the way.

• 58:55Bill Maher?

  Thank you.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  That's fucking awesome.

• 58:56Bill Maher?

  The Mark Twain thing, thank you.

• 58:58Speaker 04

  That's great, what an honor.

• 58:59Bill Maher?

  Yes, I appreciate it.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  You know...

• 59:01Bill Maher?

  Thank you.

• 59:02Speaker 04

  I mean, it's... I mean...

• 59:07Speaker 04

  I guess it was you or Carrot Top, right? And they went with... That's what I heard. That's what is out there on the streets, Bill.

• 59:14Bill Maher?

  He should get one, I love him, but...

• 59:17Speaker 04

  To give every man a Mark Twain prize is to give no man a Mark Twain prize.

• 59:23Bill Maher?

  But, you know, after the... He went sort of like, "Sweet nuts on Valentine's Day", and then I answered back, and the end of my thing, when I was talking to him, I said, "There was a Democratic senator, John Ossoff, who said about the Republican Party currently, 'You are the elites you pretend to hate.'

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:47Bill Maher?

  And if the Democrats ever learn to weaponize that message,

• 59:51Speaker 04

  They are so bad at messaging it. They're so feckless and useless. Did you get to see the special that were...

• 59:59Bill Maher?

  Not yet, because they just told me about it yesterday.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, so...

• 1:00:03Bill Maher?

  But, work week, I couldn't have it. But I've seen all your specials. I love... Anytime you do stand-up, I'm there.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  Well, I... Did you see Worst Daddy in the World? Because the end of that is, I think, something you would...

• 1:00:18Bill Maher?

  Do I remember titles? No.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  Okay, I think the end is something you'd really appreciate.

• 1:00:23Bill Maher?

  I'm sure I saw it, you know...

• 1:00:29Bill Maher?

  Comedy specials is not like, you know, you remember the title or

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, I know.

• 1:00:36Bill Maher?

  Or every, you know.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Same.

• 1:00:38Bill Maher?

  It's amazing what goes in and then through, you know, I mean.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  Why did I, why did I bring this up? It was, uh, it was relevant to something.

• 1:00:48Bill Maher?

  We're about elites and the Republicans, and you're right.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, because I talk about how, how

• 1:00:55Bill Maher?

  I never.

• 1:00:56Speaker 04

  Useless the Democrats are.

• 1:00:57Bill Maher?

  But I see, I feel like they're much more than just useless. I think they have a bunch of really stupid, bad ideas also.

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  Yes, I agree.

• 1:01:04Bill Maher?

  Okay, that's great. I'm glad we agree on that. But I never stopped hammering the Republicans and, you know, it's just.

• 1:01:13Speaker 04

  I think, well, they're, they're more blatantly hypocritical to me, more openly hypocritical in the sense that of what you just said, where, you know, they're the elites they pretend to hate. And you look at, um, video of, uh, what's his name? John Kennedy, the Louisiana.

• 1:01:33Bill Maher?

  I had him on the show three weeks ago.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  Like, you look at old video when he's in Harvard, he's kind of talking normally and then all of a sudden he gets and he's out. Well, geez, that's hotter than a biscuit, no?

• 1:01:46Bill Maher?

  No, he definitely plays up Louisiana. No, I love him. We had a great time because you could just see, that's, I gotta say, those kind of guys, um, the Republicans, they just have this little, like, I can wink at them, like, and it's like, yeah, we know we're full of shit about certain things, you know? Now, the best of them do draw the line. It's not like the Republicans never draw the line. When Trump insisted in 2020 that he had won that election, which I was way out ahead on, excuse me, predicting that he would never leave office and then he tried to do exactly what I said he was gonna do. There were Republicans, like, his own Attorney General,

• 1:02:30Bill Maher?

  who is, you know, William Barr, who we all didn't have very good things to say about him, and Mitch McConnell, and Mitt Romney, and several others, Liz Cheney. There were ones who, and ones who also, some who were like closer to Trump, who said, no, you lost. You lost and you have to say you lost. So. You know.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  Boy, the bar is set so low.

• 1:02:55Bill Maher?

  So low.

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  But, yes, Romney was decent about all of it.

• 1:03:02Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  So was Liz Cheney.

• 1:03:03Bill Maher?

  And Mitch McConnell, but even Mitch McConnell.

• 1:03:05Speaker 04

  And that guy Adam Kinzinger, you know.

• 1:03:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, right, but there were some other ones I'm trying to, uh, Mike Pence. Mike Pence.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:14Bill Maher?

  Did the right thing at the last moment. You know, so, I mean, you gotta hang your hat on that a little because that half of the country's not going away.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  Oh, it's not half, it's not half. I don't think it's.

• 1:03:28Bill Maher?

  Well, it's forty percent. It's, he has, he has, his, Trump's approval rating now is forty-one percent, which is low. But it is like a hundred million people. And he has one-hundred percent approval from MAGA Republicans, which is most of them.

• 1:03:44Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, that's not gonna change.

• 1:03:45Bill Maher?

  That's not gonna change.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  I mean, in that Tartufian way, you can show, you can say, look, here's a, I mean.

• 1:03:58Speaker 04

  It's, it's.

• 1:04:00Bill Maher?

  So how was Matthew Broderick to work with?

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Oh, he's a total Trumper. No, he's awesome, Matthew's great. The whole cast was great, we were, um, I've never done a play before, this is the first time I'd done that.

• 1:04:12Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I knew early on that

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  I was lucky in that everyone was super cool and liked each other and got along. And you can imagine, you've been on sets before where it just takes one fucking asshole to sour everything, you know, to put a weird mood, you know.

• 1:04:33Bill Maher?

  Boy do I.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, we all have, you know, you've been around somebody who's just

• 1:04:38Bill Maher?

  Yep.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  shitty or sour, whatever, and and I could tell, like, if you're doing a play, because that's intense. And there must, you know, there are theater actors, there must be a good number of them are just fucking douches, you know, pretentious or whatever, or complaining about things, or have their process and you can't, you know, and, you know, a person like me comes into it and just taking the piss out of everything and it was, everyone was super cool and we had a great time.

• 1:05:09Bill Maher?

  Sometimes people have a real prejudice about comedians.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:13Bill Maher?

  In acting roles. I remember on my first

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:16Bill Maher?

  sitcom. I overheard.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  What was it?

• 1:05:19Bill Maher?

  Sarah on NBC starring Gina Davis.

• 1:05:23Speaker 04

  I didn't, what was it?

• 1:05:25Bill Maher?

  Uh, we were four lawyers in San Francisco. There was Gina Davis.

• 1:05:30Speaker 04

  You say that like that's the way you had to deliver lines.

• 1:05:33Bill Maher?

  No, no, I was the Ted Baxter part. I was the office creep, which was awesome because the other three people, you could exchange their lines for each other. They were just three nice people. Alfred Woodard, my still wonderful friend Alfred Woodard, you know, and Brunson Pincho. So there was the titular white girl, the black girl, and the gay guy, and then the office creep.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Bill Maher?

  I was in big heaven. I was 28, I was on a sitcom. Suddenly my salary in life went.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  And multi-camera?

• 1:06:05Bill Maher?

  Sitcom, you've done sitcoms.

• 1:06:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, okay, so.

• 1:06:08Bill Maher?

  Not like, not like Arrested Development.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  Right, that's what I meant, like, easiest job.

• 1:06:12Bill Maher?

  Easiest job in the world. Right.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  It's insane, people don't know.

• 1:06:16Bill Maher?

  Gentlemen's hours. Come in on Monday, you read it around a table.

• 1:06:20Speaker 04

  There you go, go home.

• 1:06:22Bill Maher?

  Tuesday, we'll put it on its feet, you know, it's a sitcom. There's only three sets, there's only so much you can do. The director says, "While you're doing it, pick up the spatula." Great, you save the show.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  You have one hard day and it's not even that hard. It's Thursday, the day before the, when you're blocking everything. It's like 12 hours.

• 1:06:42Bill Maher?

  Right, right, right. It's boring because they gotta get the camera moves.

• 1:06:45Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 1:06:45Bill Maher?

  Right, and then you shoot it in the day, first without an audience, get it in the can.

• 1:06:53Bill Maher?

  All right, I'm gonna let the audience put their own can joke in there. And then at night you shoot it with the audience. And they always use the audience version anyway.

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  You're saying you fucked them in the ass?

• 1:07:05Bill Maher?

  I was hoping you would say it.

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, I just did. Happy birthday.

• 1:07:10Bill Maher?

  Oh, great, your nine-year-old will see this and know I'm the bad guy. No, um, but yes, wonderful gentlemen's.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Oh, it's the best.

• 1:07:20Bill Maher?

  Hours.

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  So, and you were.

• 1:07:22Bill Maher?

  I was the office creep.

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  But, but was the set, was there somebody on the set who was like, "Oh, God, here we go"?

• 1:07:29Bill Maher?

  Yes, oh, that was the story. I literally overheard one of the professional actors, the one who was playing the secretary out front, say, "Can you believe it? They've hired a comedian."

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  It's infuriating. That and it's attendant with the idea when people are like, wow, Robin Williams is really good in that thing. Or Jim Carrey was really, I mean, I believe him. It was really set. Like, yeah, why wouldn't a comedian of all people?

• 1:08:01Bill Maher?

  Especially since the big line is always dying is hard.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Bill Maher?

  Or comedy is whatever. Dying is easy, comedy is hard. Like, they always say comedy is harder to do than drama, right?

• 1:08:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:13Bill Maher?

  Like, anyone can pull off, he's just a little kid. You know, anybody can be mad.

• 1:08:20Speaker 04

  Wait, who are we talking about? What's who's the kid? What happened? What happened to him?

• 1:08:25Bill Maher?

  See how much I-

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  I fucking, you pulled me in.

• 1:08:27Bill Maher?

  I pulled you in with my-

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  And the-

• 1:08:29Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  And the potty goes to.

• 1:08:35Bill Maher?

  But comedy is, you know, very delicate and-

• 1:08:40Speaker 04

  I've been looking at Bob Oenker.

• 1:08:41Bill Maher?

  Tricky.

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  One of the funniest, smartest guys.

• 1:08:44Bill Maher?

  You're a part of it?

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, and uh-

• 1:08:47Bill Maher?

  You guys are still close, right?

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just saw him yesterday.

• 1:08:51Bill Maher?

  Okay, good.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, we actually, we have a documentary that'll be coming out. We climbed, we took the Inca Trail to Machu Picchu.

• 1:09:00Bill Maher?

  It's great that you both did great. Because it would have been awkward. What? You know, it'd be like if Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, if one of them was, you know, now on Bringing Up Chunky.

• 1:09:14Bill Maher?

  And the other one was a huge star, just made a big AI deal.

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  Could you tell me the log line for Bringing Up Chunky? I'm curious, because it's gonna be stolen. But tell me about the log line. What's the log line for Bringing Up Chunky?

• 1:09:28Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, Chunky's a fat kid who, you know, we're setting this in the eighties.

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:09:34Bill Maher?

  When it was okay to say fat kid.

• 1:09:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Bill Maher?

  And uh-

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  And it was okay to be a fat kid.

• 1:09:40Bill Maher?

  And they're just bringing him up.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  Who's they?

• 1:09:43Bill Maher?

  The parents.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  Who are the parents? Who do you see, cast this for me? Let me- Here, can I step in?

• 1:09:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah, please.

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  So the parents are in their eighties and Chunky is fifty.

• 1:09:56Bill Maher?

  The nineteen eighties.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  So wait, it's Doris Roberts?

• 1:10:01Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  Uh, maybe not.

• 1:10:04Bill Maher?

  It is amazing when I did, I mean, Sarah was on in 1984 or 85. It was supposed to be a big show because it was on NBC when they ruled the roost. It was on between, after Family Ties.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:20Bill Maher?

  That was a huge show.

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:21Bill Maher?

  And it was the same producer, Gary Goldberg.

• 1:10:23Speaker 04

  Was it just one year or?

• 1:10:25Bill Maher?

  It just lasted 13 episodes because the head of the network-

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  Well, they hired a comedian to be one of the lawyers.

• 1:10:31Bill Maher?

  That wasn't the problem. The producer, who was very powerful, Gary Goldberg, and the head of the network, Brandon Tartikoff, remember that name?

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:10:40Bill Maher?

  Like, had a shouting, shoving match during one of the tapings, so I think we knew, yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:10:46Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it got to that level. You know, it was like that, it's just amazing how quaint we think of life that, in that era, because we did have this change in the show about six or seven episodes in. They decided we needed an authority figure. And then suddenly we had this boss. Like, the head of the home office who came there to San Francisco where the four lawyers are in there.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  You would think that would have made itself apparent during their, the, when they were developing the idea.

• 1:11:21Bill Maher?

  But it fucked it up, I think. We, it was much better when we were just four nudniks playing in the sandbox. Now, we did have an authority, I mean, I'm not gonna blame the guy, but it was like, the way they used to, the networks used to, um, micromanage, shall we say?

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:40Bill Maher?

  Much more than they do, and most of that is from my network. HBO were the ones who pioneered that idea of, no, no, you know, we're just gonna let you have enough rope to hang yourself or be a big success.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  We got two notes in four years on Mr. Show. Two, that we had to take. Like, we got other notes and then we were like, oh, well, we thought this and this and this, and they're like, okay. And they, they encouraged us when we, when we started, they were like- We don't, I'm paraphrasing it, but Chris Albrecht and Carolyn Strauss said, "We don't want you to be like everything else on TV. We want you to go ahead. We're trying to, you know, make a distinction here."

• 1:12:25Bill Maher?

  HBO, it's not television.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was great.

• 1:12:28Bill Maher?

  No, but that was their little motto, and I always still try to live up to it.

• 1:12:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:33Bill Maher?

  I took it seriously, I take it seriously. I mean, they've only ever given me one note. "Bill, you know the way you always are, don't be that way."

• 1:12:43Speaker 04

  How did that work out?

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  Could you be less, um...

• 1:12:49Bill Maher?

  You?

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  Bill Maher-ish?

• 1:12:52Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm sure actors get to that point in life sometimes where they see, I've heard this story, they will see in a casting call, a so-and-so type, and it's them.

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Bill Maher?

  And it's like, "Could I get this?"

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:05Bill Maher?

  I am act that.

• 1:13:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:07Bill Maher?

  No, what, because you think that means they're over the hill?

• 1:13:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're not, not over the hill, but just like a caricature, a reference point, a...

• 1:13:19Bill Maher?

  Man.

• 1:13:20Speaker 04

  I don't even know what, I mean,

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  if they said like a Bill Maher type, I can kind of get it. If they said a David Cross type, I'd be like, "I don't know what you mean."

• 1:13:31Bill Maher?

  No, but you do play the idiot well, because it is the funnest thing to do. I mean, that's what I was, the office creep.

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Bill Maher?

  You know, I did not know when I was being a macho idiot, you know.

• 1:13:45Speaker 04

  Oh, it's fun, man.

• 1:13:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I was doing Ted Baxter for Mary Tyler Moore. And, and nobody knows, because the impression is just bad. So it doesn't, so they don't even see that you're just lifting, really, from, from somebody.

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  But you've also got, you know, intuitive.

• 1:14:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  Timing and nature and you know how to deliver a line and.

• 1:14:10Bill Maher?

  But it's a, acting is a rough game. I'm glad I got out of that one too, because, I mean, first of all, comedy acting, okay, that can last a longer time. But if you're in the leading man, leading lady area, it's a pretty short window.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Bill Maher?

  Where you, you know, and that's assuming you hit it in your like twenties. What if you only, it's a number that takes you to your late thirties?

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  Sure, or forties.

• 1:14:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but I mean, like, I think Sharon Stone wasn't like known until she was like thirty-five. Okay, now the window where they're gonna look at you as the leading lady.

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:52Bill Maher?

  You know, the hottie, it's like, now you got like ten years left.

• 1:14:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:56Bill Maher?

  It's.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Well, unless you show your bush, then you get an extra three years.

• 1:15:03Bill Maher?

  That's what, that was, yeah.

• 1:15:05Speaker 04

  That was in the contract.

• 1:15:06Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that was the first one. That, that's what made her a star.

• 1:15:11Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 1:15:15Bill Maher?

  Remember that movie?

• 1:15:18Speaker 04

  Never saw it.

• 1:15:19Bill Maher?

  You never saw Basic Instinct?

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  I did not see it.

• 1:15:21Bill Maher?

  What a dick.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  Now, come on.

• 1:15:22Bill Maher?

  What a fucking snob.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  There are so.

• 1:15:24Bill Maher?

  What a fucking dick.

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  A snob, I didn't, I didn't not see it for a reason, I just didn't see it.

• 1:15:29Bill Maher?

  I'm personally offended that you didn't see it.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  It's not, I never.

• 1:15:34Bill Maher?

  Are you a snob?

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  I'm not a snob.

• 1:15:35Bill Maher?

  You're too good to see Basic Instinct?

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  I mean, yes, but that has nothing to do with the reason I didn't see it.

• 1:15:42Bill Maher?

  I'm sorry, it's not Tartuffe.

• 1:15:44Speaker 04

  God, oh my lord. There's a lot of stuff I haven't seen. Never saw Game of Thrones, never saw, I watched three seasons of Sopranos and, and didn't pick it back up, never, there's, I never saw, I mean, there's so much stuff I haven't seen yet, you know?

• 1:16:03Bill Maher?

  Breaking Bad?

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  Oh, every episode I saw that.

• 1:16:05Bill Maher?

  Never saw that one.

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:16:07Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Oh, it's fucking great, dude. Oh, it's great.

• 1:16:10Bill Maher?

  Oh, I'm the dick now?

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  I, well, I'm, I never.

• 1:16:13Bill Maher?

  No, I've heard that, I just.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  It's great, I mean, it's.

• 1:16:16Bill Maher?

  I, I'm, I'm, I think I'm saving it.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  For when?

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  Didn't you just celebrate your 70th birthday?

• 1:16:24Bill Maher?

  Oh, so what, I'm gonna die tomorrow? I can't save anything.

• 1:16:27Speaker 04

  It's getting.

• 1:16:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, that's right, Dave. Oh, my God, I hit 70. I better watch Breaking Bad tonight. I mean, I gotta.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  Well, you can't watch it all tonight.

• 1:16:37Bill Maher?

  I gotta get through another episode. It's been great to see you, but I'm done.

• 1:16:42Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm saying the, the window is closing. It's, it was on for what?

• 1:16:48Bill Maher?

  First of all.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  Six years, seven years?

• 1:16:49Bill Maher?

  AI is gonna keep me alive forever. So just suck on that. You're gonna have to deal with me.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  How, how is it gonna?

• 1:16:58Bill Maher?

  Forever.

• 1:16:58Speaker 04

  How is it gonna keep you?

• 1:16:59Bill Maher?

  You don't think AI is gonna figure out mortality?

• 1:17:03Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't.

• 1:17:05Bill Maher?

  Okay, we're talking about AI now, right?

• 1:17:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:09Bill Maher?

  Okay, it's gonna do a lot of bad things.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  Andy Inswitch, right?

• 1:17:12Bill Maher?

  What?

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  Andy Inswitch? The guy from the.

• 1:17:15Bill Maher?

  No, no, no.

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  The period on it?

• 1:17:17Bill Maher?

  No, no, artificial intelligence.

• 1:17:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, Andy Insitch. He's a robot that does, he's a.

• 1:17:24Bill Maher?

  Where are you on AI? Are you a pro, worried, con?

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  I mean, all of it, really. Uh, all, all.

• 1:17:33Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:17:33Speaker 04

  All three of those things. I.

• 1:17:35Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:17:35Speaker 04

  I, I had an experience, um, where I'd, I'd read a lot about AI and I'd, I'd seen like deep fakes and stuff like that, but.

• 1:17:45Bill Maher?

  Sure.

• 1:17:46Speaker 04

  But when I saw that, uh, what's her name, Tilly, the actress?

• 1:17:51Bill Maher?

  Tilly Norwood.

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  Tilly Norwood.

• 1:17:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  I, I was talking to my wife about this, cause she hadn't seen it. I was like, it was such a, as an adult, I don't even know if I've had this experience as an adult where this, it's almost like a grand magic trick, but I know it's a magic trick, but I'm watching Tilly Norwood, that video they made, I'm like, it, it's not computing. How is this fake? I mean, I'd never seen anything remotely like that, where this is as real as anything. I would, if you showed me that, that I, and I didn't know what AI was, I'd be like, no, what are you talking about? It's ma, it's computer generated, it's, and then, uh, it, I mean, it's crazy to me.

• 1:18:36Bill Maher?

  And it. I met her at the Vanity Fair Oscar party. I think we had chemistry. I do.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  That's the future of AI. A bunch of old guys going, you know, I met her and I think she likes me.

• 1:18:51Bill Maher?

  How long is it? Did you ever see the original Westworld, the movie Westworld?

• 1:18:57Speaker 04

  I didn't, but I know I'm familiar with it. Yul Brynner and.

• 1:19:01Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:02Bill Maher?

  My boy, James Brolin.

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  You know what? I I know it because I have so many of these movies. I know it because of Mad Magazine's.

• 1:19:11Bill Maher?

  I have some Mad Magazine covers in this room.

• 1:19:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I saw that. But that but that's how I knew Westworld and kind of the plot and all that.

• 1:19:17Bill Maher?

  Right, I mean HBO redid it in a whole different way. But the original movie in the seventies, James Brolin, awesome. And Yul Brynner, awesome. And it's just this place where you can go and they have, you know, they're robots. But you're in the Old West, so you can shoot the robot and you're not really killing anybody. And you can fuck the horse.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, fucking horses is.

• 1:19:43Bill Maher?

  Horse, I say, horse.

• 1:19:45Speaker 04

  Horse, a horse.

• 1:19:46Bill Maher?

  Horse.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  It's Western.

• 1:19:48Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  There's a lot of horse fucking back then.

• 1:19:51Bill Maher?

  If you really have this. You know, I mean, in the movie, the plot is that one of the robots played by Yul Brynner, of course, goes, you know, there's something wrong with the wiring. And then he actually violates what they're told at the beginning is that the robots could never hurt you. And of course, Yul Brynner is shooting up the town.

• 1:20:08Speaker 04

  It's Asimov's.

• 1:20:09Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. But in real life, I don't know, that would be the problem. The problem would be like if you could actually have guys who could fuck whores or women who just would, you know, these robotic. A lot of guys would be doing that.

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  Oh, fuck yeah.

• 1:20:28Bill Maher?

  I think there would be a mass leaving of their wives.

• 1:20:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:32Bill Maher?

  And.

• 1:20:33Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 1:20:33Bill Maher?

  And and besides that problem, which is a huge problem, it's also probably not great for the psyche of the species. That guys think they can be as Andrew Tate-ish as they want.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, agree.

• 1:20:50Bill Maher?

  Even if they're robotic women.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's just, that's the, one of the bad sides of AI.

• 1:20:56Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 1:20:57Bill Maher?

  And that's coming.

• 1:20:58Speaker 04

  Do you think?

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  I'm just thinking this now, I don't know whether I agree with it or not, but it's a, it's an argument that might be made that, well, if you

• 1:21:11Speaker 04

  have an AI version of a woman that an Andrew Tate type, you know, misogynist

• 1:21:19Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  can do that to, is, are they getting it out of their system? And that's a place for them to take those feelings and, and

• 1:21:30Bill Maher?

  I think they're normalizing it and making it routine. I mean,

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're right, you're right. I can imagine the argument being made.

• 1:21:37Bill Maher?

  I mean, Andrew Tate, I mean, communicates with a lot of young men.

• 1:21:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Bill Maher?

  And if they're talking about real women, the way he talks about real women.

• 1:21:46Speaker 04

  Did you, did you see the Louis Theroux?

• 1:21:47Bill Maher?

  Can you imagine what I, you're like the eighth person who told me I gotta see this yesterday and I'm going to, right, the manosphere, the manosphere.

• 1:21:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're not, it's not gonna be revelatory, but it is.

• 1:21:59Bill Maher?

  Right, it's eye opening.

• 1:22:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:01Bill Maher?

  I'm sure it is. But, I mean, if, if they, if you get these guys, the Andrew Tate people, to be talking about actual women this way, can you imagine?

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:13Bill Maher?

  How they would feel about the robots?

• 1:22:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I mean, yeah.

• 1:22:18Bill Maher?

  I'm the opposite, I'm afraid of the robots, so I'm super polite. I mean, I, I, I didn't used to be, like, when I, I have in my car, like, a plug in for like, a, a phone where you can like, play music off of it, you know, just like an iPod or the, so when I get out of the car, when I've had that on, the car always says, says, I mean, not a sentence I used to say when I was 25 years old, but the car says to me, "You left your phone in the car." And I used to go, "Shut the fuck up, you stupid cunt," because we're just an opportunity to let out steam about, you know, mechanical things. I don't do that anymore. I'm not calling my car a cunt, I don't know, I don't know.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  The car will remember. We've all seen Knight Rider. You know?

• 1:23:06Bill Maher?

  The car, they're all in cahoots, the car, and it's like that old Woody Allen bit about, remember my, I think my appliances are in cahoots against me, the toaster made a remark. I think it's anti-Semitic.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  You know what we don't have in New York, speaking of living in a bubble?

• 1:23:28Speaker 04

  Which I admit, and I'm, I want to be in that bubble, I pay for it. And I want my daughter to be in that bubble. It's a good bubble.

• 1:23:35Bill Maher?

  Okay. I don't think any bubble is good, but...

• 1:23:39Speaker 04

  No, no, no, it's, it's pretty good. When you, when you're talking about day-to-day life, it's actually, it's actually really pretty great.

• 1:23:47Bill Maher?

  Well, you don't want to mix with people who you don't agree with.

• 1:23:50Speaker 04

  No, I didn't say that.

• 1:23:51Bill Maher?

  Oh, I thought that's what a bubble was.

• 1:23:53Speaker 04

  No, no, it's a, it's, a bubble is protection from the shit that's going on outside of the bubble. That I don't, the awfulness.

• 1:24:03Bill Maher?

  And there's no shit inside the bubble?

• 1:24:06Speaker 04

  I mean, there's some shit, but less, and it's different. No, no, I'm, I'm happy to be in New York. I, I, I, you know, and again, I travel all over.

• 1:24:18Bill Maher?

  Well, you can live in New York and not be in a bubble.

• 1:24:21Speaker 04

  Well,

• 1:24:24Speaker 04

  yes, but I'm...

• 1:24:28Bill Maher?

  All right.

• 1:24:28Speaker 04

  I'll define it. The bubble is not for me or my wife, it's for our daughter.

• 1:24:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  And, um, the more I can keep her from the, uh, things that I, uh, and my wife think are bad.

• 1:24:44Bill Maher?

  Just to play devil's advocate about what might be in the bubble that isn't favorable to you. A Democratic congressman, I've had him on the show, I like him a lot, Seth Moulton from Massachusetts. He got a lot of attention at the end of the last election cycle because he was talking about the Democrats and they got their ass kicked in the election and so forth. And he said, they were talking about the trans issue, and he said, "Look, I don't want my 12-year-old daughter to be on the soccer field and be run over by someone who's identifying as a man, as a woman, but is really a boy. I don't want my daughter being run over." And a lot of people applauded him for that.

• 1:25:24Bill Maher?

  I mean, we saw in the Olympics, a, okay, born a man, now fighting as a woman boxer, just beat the dog shit out of a woman, the other boxer. A lot of people were disturbed by that. It's very disturbing to watch because it's a man beating the shit out of a woman.

• 1:25:46Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying there's stuff inside the bubble that could be bad too.

• 1:25:50Speaker 04

  Okay, well, what I would say to that, because I don't.

• 1:25:59Speaker 04

  First of all, if you're talking about a 12-year-old.

• 1:26:02Bill Maher?

  You want your daughter run over.

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  No, that's, that's prepubescent and that, that, you know,

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  a boy who identifies as a girl and, you know, for all intensive purposes is a girl, is not going to, you know, have the, if you're talking about,

• 1:26:30Speaker 04

  like, late teens, like after puberty.

• 1:26:33Bill Maher?

  No, he said, I think 12 was when he was talking about.

• 1:26:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's prepubescent, right?

• 1:26:37Bill Maher?

  I know, but like, we do let.

• 1:26:39Speaker 04

  The, the, the difference between a boy and a girl is minimal at prepubescent. And if, and, and, and, it's true.

• 1:26:49Bill Maher?

  I think you could find some.

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  Physically, physically.

• 1:26:52Bill Maher?

  Oh, I don't think physically.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  Look it up, Bill, look, look up, you're talking about.

• 1:26:56Bill Maher?

  First of all, I remember being 12. There's some big 12-year-old boys.

• 1:27:00Speaker 04

  There's some big 12-year-old girls. There are.

• 1:27:05Bill Maher?

  Why can't you just say?

• 1:27:07Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 1:27:07Bill Maher?

  It's, it's true. It's, I mean, this, again, this is what's wrong with that, with the, the loony left. You know, like, they, they just will, they just die on hills that are unnecessary to die on. I mean, 12-year-old boys, you know, I, I get what this guy was saying. He's, and again, he's a Democrat.

• 1:27:26Speaker 04

  Well, I would say the same thing to him. I don't give a shit whether he's Democrat or Republican or Libertarian or Independent or whatever the fuck. I, the idea of 12-year-olds.

• 1:27:36Bill Maher?

  Okay, what about the other one, Olympics?

• 1:27:38Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know the boxing story or, or, uh, situation.

• 1:27:43Bill Maher?

  Didn't get in the bubble.

• 1:27:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's fine. But now he can edify me, he can tell me. So was this?

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  So it was a, it was a, it was a, uh, man, when did they transition? Did they take puberty blockers and all that?

• 1:28:00Bill Maher?

  It's a little murky. If you read it up on it, it would be like, they have their side of the story about why technically, I, you know what, I can't recreate it. It, to a lot of people, it just came off as somebody who looked like a dude and punched like a dude, beating up a woman. Um, there may be a technical reason why this was a little different, um.

• 1:28:25Speaker 04

  I, I don't, again, I don't know.

• 1:28:27Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no, no.

• 1:28:28Speaker 04

  But there is physical differences between a person's body once testosterone kicks in, right? There's a, there's, testosterone is what, uh,

• 1:28:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:41Speaker 04

  You know, puberty.

• 1:28:43Bill Maher?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:28:43Speaker 04

  So I don't know if, but if it, if there's a-

• 1:28:45Bill Maher?

  But there's also a bigger, just bigger muscle mass and just bigger.

• 1:28:48Speaker 04

  If they have testosterone and they haven't, uh,

• 1:28:51Bill Maher?

  Even before that.

• 1:28:52Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. That's not true. The disparity between, uh, of, of,

• 1:29:03Speaker 04

  and there are bigger kids and they're bigger boys and there are also bigger girls. I've seen girls, you know, pre, no, trans not being a thing. I've seen girls kick the shit out of boys. It's about the individual person, right? Is it not? Do you remember third grade?

• 1:29:20Bill Maher?

  I, I, third grade I remember, but I also remember that he said 12. And 12 is, I mean, first of all- 12, I think kids reach puberty a lot earlier than they used to. I'm not sure why that is, but I've read articles about that, that, that they don't know. Maybe it's that we give them too much meat or something's in the meat or I don't. They have lots of theories about it. What, what they see, you know, what, it could be psychological because they see so many things, images that we didn't when we were kids.

• 1:29:49Speaker 04

  You think so?

• 1:29:50Bill Maher?

  I think it's certainly possible. It certainly has to be one of the-

• 1:29:54Speaker 04

  It would probably be more about like shit in our food and-

• 1:29:56Bill Maher?

  That, you don't think something that enters your mind? No, but it, it's not, it's not a ridiculous- Premise.

• 1:30:03Speaker 04

  I didn't say it was.

• 1:30:05Bill Maher?

  No, no, I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying it's not.

• 1:30:08Speaker 04

  I'm not saying you said I didn't.

• 1:30:10Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying.

• 1:30:11Speaker 04

  All right, all right.

• 1:30:13Bill Maher?

  People selling people to people, that's what I'm saying. No.

• 1:30:16Speaker 04

  I don't, so you're, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but are you,

• 1:30:27Speaker 04

  where do you stand on trans?

• 1:30:30Bill Maher?

  At the reasonable place where, of course, it's a real thing and of course they should be protected and respected. But there is a default setting for humans. I don't think where America is now, we're an outlier country. We don't do anything like, the only people in the world who do this anymore, and I'm talking about not notifying parents in some places, letting kids self diagnose at early ages, and then doing actual surgery, puberty block, things that are absolutely irreversible. That's just something only the.

• 1:31:05Speaker 04

  Are puberty blockers irreversible?

• 1:31:07Bill Maher?

  Absolutely. And that's something only the Democratic Party believes in anymore.

• 1:31:12Speaker 04

  I believe for, you know, just.

• 1:31:16Bill Maher?

  Just the idea of puberty blockers, of anything, like my health always comes first. The idea of like.

• 1:31:22Speaker 04

  This is the tequila, right?

• 1:31:23Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:31:25Speaker 04

  I'm not trying to be funny.

• 1:31:26Bill Maher?

  Boy, if he's gonna start on this, I'm gonna need another drink. But the idea of reversing anything in my body or blocking anything, I'm old enough to know now, I've learned through different things, like a lot of health comes down to like keeping all the pipes clear in every way. When things are blocked or reversed, or you use any kind of drug that has, maybe has a beneficial effect, but it also is gonna block something or have some side effect that reverses how your body naturally wants to work, it's always going to be a problem. That's why I recommend my piss tube.

• 1:32:08Bill Maher?

  You merely lie in bed and put your dick in it. You don't have to get up.

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  I, at this point, we're probably getting.

• 1:32:19Speaker 04

  Uh, fairly close to being able to look at examples of adults that had, you know, puberty blockers when they were younger, right? And find out if medically, you know, in, in, in the same way like,

• 1:32:33Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:32:33Speaker 04

  Thirty years ago, people said, oh, two gay dads is gonna ruin it.

• 1:32:37Bill Maher?

  That's not completely true, because not everything.

• 1:32:40Speaker 04

  No, I'm at, I'm, I guess I'm saying, we, we've probably getting close to whoever the first kids were that had that becoming.

• 1:32:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but what I, I know you're saying that. And what I'm saying is, you can't really say what the effect is thirty years later, because you don't know when somebody gets cancer. Nobody says to you, except if it's lung cancer, did you smoke? Yeah, there's an obvious one. Other than that, it's, it's just, we don't know why you got it. And they don't know why. Something went wrong in the body. And what caused that? What were the?

• 1:33:17Speaker 04

  So you're saying you don't know, it's?

• 1:33:19Bill Maher?

  Well, we're saying, we don't know.

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  We don't know.

• 1:33:21Bill Maher?

  Could having puberty blockers thirty years ago be part of that? What your body was doing to compensate for that? I mean, I had, uh, like Accutane acne medicine in the nineties. Could that, if I got cancer tomorrow? Would that possibly be a factor from some? Yes, possibly.

• 1:33:41Speaker 04

  So, so it sounds like you're just, uh, making my point? Because if, if a puberty blocker is just like Accutane or?

• 1:33:50Bill Maher?

  Not good.

• 1:33:51Speaker 04

  Cereal.

• 1:33:52Bill Maher?

  It's never gonna be a good.

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  Okay, so are we gonna get rid of Accutane? Are we gonna get, because it might be bad?

• 1:33:57Bill Maher?

  Well, you certainly should give the patient the information to say, here's what, here's what.

• 1:34:03Speaker 04

  Well, we don't have the information, though.

• 1:34:05Bill Maher?

  Oh, well, that's even worse. I mean.

• 1:34:07Speaker 04

  But we don't have the information for a lot of things.

• 1:34:09Bill Maher?

  But, but generally, what I do know, we may not have a specific information, is that when you do something like block what your nat, your body's natural hormones are raging to do, that just intuitively tells me not a great health result in the future. You really don't see it that way?

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  Uh, well, what I, I'll go back to what I said. We should, uh.

• 1:34:35Speaker 04

  Be approaching the time when we can really look at this and get a more of a definitive answer. Whether it does affect people, because I know trans.

• 1:34:46Bill Maher?

  And in the meantime, just keep doing it.

• 1:34:47Speaker 04

  I'm 100% pro-science to help people. I do not have an issue with.

• 1:34:58Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:59Speaker 04

  Trans kids. I know a couple of them. They're awesome, and I think they their lives would be absolutely miserable if they weren't allowed to live the life they're living.

• 1:35:14Bill Maher?

  Yeah, sometimes I would agree that that is the case.

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  I mean, that is literally, you know, for.

• 1:35:21Bill Maher?

  Sometimes that's the case. And there's also many cases of people who regret it.

• 1:35:26Speaker 04

  What's the percentage? I don't think it's that big.

• 1:35:30Bill Maher?

  It's not in the bubble, but it's there.

• 1:35:32Speaker 04

  Well, tell me, tell me. You're out of the bubble.

• 1:35:35Bill Maher?

  I am. I don't know.

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  Is it above 7%?

• 1:35:38Bill Maher?

  Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:35:40Speaker 04

  Well, you don't know then.

• 1:35:41Bill Maher?

  I do know, because I've read so many.

• 1:35:43Speaker 04

  Well, then, tell me.

• 1:35:44Bill Maher?

  I don't know what the percentage is, okay? But I've certainly read many, many accounts of people who have said this, that you.

• 1:35:52Speaker 04

  I don't know what the.

• 1:35:53Bill Maher?

  You can imagine if there would be nobody who did it and didn't regret it.

• 1:35:56Speaker 04

  I didn't say that. I'm sure there are.

• 1:35:58Bill Maher?

  Okay, well, then, there are people.

• 1:35:59Speaker 04

  There are people who regret tattoos.

• 1:36:00Bill Maher?

  So you're saying there's a certain percentage that it's worth it to sacrifice them? If it's 10% of people who regret it, and they'll never have an orgasm again, and now they're a gay man without a dick, that's okay? Because I'm just asking.

• 1:36:14Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah.

• 1:36:15Bill Maher?

  That's kind of what you're saying.

• 1:36:16Speaker 04

  It is what I'm saying, I guess. If nine out of 10 people are happy, then yeah.

• 1:36:22Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, you're putting that decision in the in the hands of children often, who are confused about everything. So the idea that they could self-diagnose and the idea that I could tell you anything about my own life when I was nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, all these ages, I mean.

• 1:36:40Speaker 04

  Did you know if you were gay or not?

• 1:36:41Bill Maher?

  I was just hanging on. I knew I was not.

• 1:36:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:36:46Bill Maher?

  I knew I was not.

• 1:36:47Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:36:48Bill Maher?

  I certainly was not thinking about men when I was masturbating.

• 1:36:52Speaker 04

  Okay, so that's a solid thing you you knew when you were.

• 1:36:56Bill Maher?

  It was solid from morning till night. Uh, I was not thinking about men. I was thinking about, I don't know, Goldie Hawn and Diane Carroll and Anne Margaret and Raquel Welch. You know, I.

• 1:37:10Speaker 04

  Did you have brothers and sisters?

• 1:37:12Bill Maher?

  I have a sister.

• 1:37:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:13Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Um, why is that relevant?

• 1:37:15Speaker 04

  Cause I'm I'm just curious. Your your family upbringing.

• 1:37:20Bill Maher?

  You?

• 1:37:21Speaker 04

  I have two younger sisters, um, and.

• 1:37:25Bill Maher?

  They must be proud of you. My sister's very proud of me.

• 1:37:28Speaker 04

  I I I'm very close with the middle sister. I'm the oldest, um, and, uh, nothing against the younger sister, but.

• 1:37:38Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:37:38Speaker 04

  I've talked about her.

• 1:37:42Speaker 04

  Just we're from different worlds. We live in different worlds.

• 1:37:46Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:37:46Speaker 04

  She's very.

• 1:37:47Bill Maher?

  That happens.

• 1:37:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, um.

• 1:37:50Bill Maher?

  Well, my sister and I live in different worlds, but, you know, still love each other and.

• 1:37:54Speaker 04

  She older is.

• 1:37:55Bill Maher?

  She's older.

• 1:37:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:56Bill Maher?

  Um, it's it's so interesting to, you know, when you get to this age and you see the things that you knew about somebody from as far back as, you know, sixty years ago, and you just see, oh, that was always there and that's always gonna be there.

• 1:38:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:16Bill Maher?

  Like, I wish somebody had told me that, you know? But about myself, just about like, you know what? Stop making this New Year's resolution. You're just always gonna be this way about this.

• 1:38:29Speaker 04

  Bringing up Chunky.

• 1:38:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah. Stop banging your head against the wall. Just accept yourself, you know?

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was that was honestly my favorite episode of Bringing Up Chunky. It was a very special episode.

• 1:38:45Bill Maher?

  All right, well, um, I have to pee and I did not bring my piss tube.

• 1:38:50Speaker 04

  Why? You could have plugged it.

• 1:38:52Bill Maher?

  I I I mean.

• 1:38:53Speaker 04

  And tell me the name of it again.

• 1:38:55Bill Maher?

  I I I mean, piss tube is just the first thought that came to my head, but I'm sure there's something better than that.

• 1:39:01Speaker 04

  I think you do. I think you go Bill Mars. Piss tube.

• 1:39:07Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:39:07Speaker 04

  And then your, your face is on there, right?

• 1:39:11Bill Maher?

  But if I call it Bill Maher's piss tube, isn't that kind of a flex?

• 1:39:17Speaker 04

  In the piss tube.

• 1:39:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I just think the kids are gonna be like, you know, he's so full of himself inventing the piss tube. No, but like if, if it worked in bed, again, longer podcasts.

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  I, you know, I would just say.

• 1:39:32Bill Maher?

  Right there.

• 1:39:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, do what the Teamsters do. Get a fucking crystal springs water bottle and piss in that.

• 1:39:40Bill Maher?

  The Amazon warehouse.

• 1:39:42Speaker 04

  Oh dude, they, you know how many bottles of piss I see, the plastic bottles I see like after there's been a shoot somewhere in New York?

• 1:39:53Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:39:54Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, it's a Teamster thing, just piss in the bottle. Yeah. Yes.

• 1:39:59Bill Maher?

  I thought that was apple juice. That was the big laugh on bringing up Chucky.

• 1:40:06Speaker 04

  Oh no, that was part of the very special episode. That was the, because it was a two parter.

• 1:40:11Bill Maher?

  Should we plug anything? Can we plug anything for you?

• 1:40:14Speaker 04

  Bit late, everybody's tuned out.

• 1:40:16Bill Maher?

  No, not tuned out.

• 1:40:18Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:40:18Bill Maher?

  All right, yes, I got a, I got a new special, The End of the Beginning of the End. The End of the Beginning of the End, okay.

• 1:40:26Speaker 04

  And it was, uh.

• 1:40:29Bill Maher?

  What does that mean?

• 1:40:31Speaker 04

  You tell me. I know what it means.

• 1:40:34Bill Maher?

  The End of the Beginning of the End. It reminds me of the Churchill quote about World War II, they had won, I forget it was a big battle, maybe El Alamein. And he said, this isn't the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning.

• 1:40:47Speaker 04

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:40:48Bill Maher?

  Meaning the war.

• 1:40:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's kind of what was the thought behind it is that we had a beginning of the end. And this is the end of the beginning of the end.

• 1:41:01Bill Maher?

  So you're not anti Churchill?

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  No. What?

• 1:41:04Bill Maher?

  Well, sometimes you bubble dwelling liberals are like Churchill's the bad guy now.

• 1:41:10Speaker 04

  I wanna, I wanna talk further about all this stuff.

• 1:41:14Bill Maher?

  Come back.

• 1:41:14Speaker 04

  All right, I will.

• 1:41:15Bill Maher?

  I'll do this with you anytime.

• 1:41:16Speaker 04

  Do you go, do you go to New York ever?

• 1:41:18Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, I used to all the time because work took me to the East Coast and now that I don't do stand up, um, I mean, I had a book out in 2024, so I did press there in New York. I mean, look, I have so many roots there, my sister's in New Jersey.

• 1:41:36Speaker 04

  I fucking love it there, man.

• 1:41:37Bill Maher?

  I lived there twice. I never liked it. You know, I'm not a New York.

• 1:41:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I understand. I, I get that. I, I.

• 1:41:43Bill Maher?

  I love the sunshine and the not living in a building and, you know. Um, but I, I understand the great things about it. I will get there. Um, I'll call you when I do.

• 1:41:54Speaker 04

  Please do, yeah.

• 1:41:55Bill Maher?

  Because I know people who live there now and I know what's better about it. I mean, cause I know what they tell me. Um, and they're, they're not my age. They're millennials, like 40, but they, they say, you know, LA's great. They all have lived here. One of them is Barry Weiss.

• 1:42:10Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:10Bill Maher?

  You know, you, you should read her shit. That's great anti-bubble stuff there. Cause they're not conservatives, but they're, but they're down the middle and the free press. I love it. But they, uh, they, they live there, a couple of other friends there and they say, LA's great, but you know what? When I wanna go out at 11 o'clock at night, there's so much happening. And this town is dead at 11 o'clock.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you can also walk. I can, that's a big thing for me. That's a really big part of it. And, uh, and I live in Brooklyn and it's dense, but not crazy Manhattan dense.

• 1:42:46Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:42:46Speaker 04

  And the sense of community there is so fucking strong.

• 1:42:50Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  Oh, it's great. Yeah. I mean, we, unlike anything I've experienced, I've lived all over the place. And the sense of community there is, is really, they're, they're proud, you know? There's a, there's a. Pride to being in Brooklyn and every, all the neighbors know each other. We all help each other. Uh, and I live on a fucking, you know, main street and, uh, you know, I got a, a brownstone, which is a dream of mine.

• 1:43:18Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. So it makes, that makes a difference. I don't live in a building.

• 1:43:22Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:43:23Speaker 04

  But being a, as I'm sure you know, being a homeowner is like, God, there's so much fucking shit. And I, I'm a rich person complaining, but.

• 1:43:33Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:43:34Speaker 04

  Just every day, there's a new fucking thing that you gotta take care of. You have to take care of it or it's not gonna get taken care of and, um, but I love, I mean, I'm, I'm so happy there and my kid is happy and she goes to a very diverse school, public school. It's actually good. It's good. It's probably good. It'd probably put another good person in the world, I think. Decent person who's, you know.

• 1:44:01Bill Maher?

  And.

• 1:44:02Speaker 04

  Tolerant.

• 1:44:03Bill Maher?

  When you say diverse, you're referring to diversity of thought?

• 1:44:07Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know. They're in fucking third grade, Bill.

• 1:44:10Bill Maher?

  Well, you could indoctrinate people at any age.

• 1:44:14Speaker 04

  Uh, okay.

• 1:44:15Bill Maher?

  You know, but diversity.

• 1:44:17Speaker 04

  She's indoctrinated into, uh, liking all people.

• 1:44:20Bill Maher?

  Good. That's a good thing.

• 1:44:22Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:44:22Bill Maher?

  But, but, you know, there is also diversity of thought. That is certainly have been lacking in some parts of our educational system.

• 1:44:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't, uh, I don't see that. I mean, she's, she's in, she's doing, she's learning division.

• 1:44:37Bill Maher?

  But I'm talking about college, you know, I mean, Thomas Sowell, who's a great.

• 1:44:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:44:42Bill Maher?

  Writer, African American, so we know what, we can believe what he says. And he said, uh, uh, next time you talk about diversity at American universities, um, ask about how many Republicans there are in the sociology department. And I'm not a Republican. I'm just saying, anything that says all one team, it's not good. You need to hear that other side. You need, you need to be checked. People need to be checked.

• 1:45:12Speaker 04

  They'll be, uh.

• 1:45:13Bill Maher?

  Including your little girl.

• 1:45:14Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:45:15Bill Maher?

  She needs to be checked. I don't know what.

• 1:45:17Speaker 04

  Fuck that bitch. Fuck that little bitch with her black friends and trans friends and not even understanding. She doesn't know.

• 1:45:25Bill Maher?

  Wait, she has trans friends in third grade?

• 1:45:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yep.

• 1:45:29Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:45:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:45:30Bill Maher?

  They know they're friends in third grade.

• 1:45:32Speaker 04

  I knew one of her friends, I knew when he was a girl.

• 1:45:40Bill Maher?

  How old?

• 1:45:41Speaker 04

  Identify, I think just turned nine and

• 1:45:48Speaker 04

  and is just the coolest kid. I don't, you know, I think.

• 1:45:56Bill Maher?

  Boy to girl, girl to boy?

• 1:45:57Speaker 04

  Uh, girl to boy.

• 1:46:00Bill Maher?

  Girl to boy, okay.

• 1:46:02Speaker 04

  And she has another very close friend who's not in this school, but who's a boy to girl at three.

• 1:46:08Bill Maher?

  A girl to boy, you know, I mean, I knew somebody who said to me, actually more than one person who said to me, a woman said, you know, I was what they called a tomboy. If I was alive now and acted the way I did then, that's what they would have done to me.

• 1:46:27Speaker 04

  Well, nobody's doing this to her.

• 1:46:29Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't know.

• 1:46:30Speaker 04

  Literally, nobody is doing this to her.

• 1:46:33Bill Maher?

  How old?

• 1:46:34Speaker 04

  Uh, she is, or he is either eight or I think nine.

• 1:46:39Bill Maher?

  Okay, then somebody is doing something because eight year or nine year olds can't do anything on their own.

• 1:46:45Speaker 04

  No, they're buying them boys clothes.

• 1:46:49Bill Maher?

  Well, then they're doing something. They're doing.

• 1:46:51Speaker 04

  Sure, yes, you're right. They're buying them boys clothes.

• 1:46:53Bill Maher?

  And telling them you're a boy now.

• 1:46:56Speaker 04

  No, no, they're not telling them. They're just agreeing with, they're like going, okay, honey.

• 1:47:00Bill Maher?

  They're agreeing with an eight year old because

• 1:47:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:47:02Bill Maher?

  When has their judgment ever been off at eight?

• 1:47:05Speaker 04

  You know, you know, you knew you weren't gay, right?

• 1:47:10Bill Maher?

  That's, yeah, that's

• 1:47:11Speaker 04

  It's not different.

• 1:47:12Bill Maher?

  It is different.

• 1:47:13Speaker 04

  No, it isn't.

• 1:47:14Bill Maher?

  It's okay. Good luck with President Vance. Because as I always say to my woke friends, we voted for the same person, you're just why she lost.

• 1:47:25Bill Maher?

  And that's, this is a case of that.

• 1:47:27Speaker 04

  Wait, what?

• 1:47:29Bill Maher?

  We voted for the same person.

• 1:47:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:47:31Bill Maher?

  You're just why she lost. Because America hears this, and they're gonna go, Bill's right. Eight-year-olds can't really make decisions on their own like this. That's what most people are gonna say. And this is where the Democrats are, with David Cross, living in Brooklyn, with Mandami loving, and this is why, you know, we're gonna vote for J.D. Vance. And that's, and that's, that's.

• 1:47:57Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't think it's.

• 1:47:57Bill Maher?

  That's American in a nutshell.

• 1:47:59Speaker 04

  And I don't.

• 1:48:00Bill Maher?

  Doesn't mean I don't love you.

• 1:48:01Speaker 04

  No, I just, I disagree with you.

• 1:48:03Bill Maher?

  I know, it's okay.

• 1:48:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I know it's okay.

• 1:48:08Bill Maher?

  Sorry, you're right.

• 1:48:11Speaker 04

  I, I just want to

• 1:48:17Speaker 04

  impress upon you that the parents of, of the

• 1:48:23Speaker 04

  couple of kids I'm talking about are not doing anything. If you, if you are saying that, buying that, when they say, I want, I want, you know, a boy's pants as opposed to a skirt, you're saying that's doing something? I think that's.

• 1:48:40Bill Maher?

  Well, the, the whole, I mean, it's not just the pants. It's just accepting that the kid, the kid has, you know, okay, maybe it's not anything to do with social contagion, or the kid just knows right away at the age of whatever, he's in the wrong body.

• 1:48:56Speaker 04

  One of them was three, one of them was three when they said that.

• 1:48:58Bill Maher?

  Well, sure, three, three-year-olds. Who can't believe a three-year-old?

• 1:49:02Speaker 04

  It's not about believing them, I mean.

• 1:49:05Bill Maher?

  But kids are confused, and they hear, there's a lot of talk in school.

• 1:49:09Speaker 04

  There was no confusion.

• 1:49:10Bill Maher?

  There is confusion.

• 1:49:11Speaker 04

  She wasn't in school yet, she was three.

• 1:49:13Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm sure she hears things around the home. I'm sure, I'm sure they're.

• 1:49:18Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:49:19Bill Maher?

  Well. You know, what I'm saying is, when I was a kid, we were too far the other way. We never heard about any of this. They should have told us. They should have said, you know what? Most people are, are men or women, but not everybody. And if you're not one of those two things, that's okay. There are other.

• 1:49:38Speaker 04

  I totally agree with that.

• 1:49:39Bill Maher?

  Okay, I know, I know, I'm not.

• 1:49:42Bill Maher?

  I know, that wasn't the point. I know you agree.

• 1:49:45Speaker 04

  The point is...

• 1:49:46Bill Maher?

  The point was, this is the way they should have done it when I was a kid. They went too far in this one direction of just boys and girls. Never introduced the concept that it could be something else. And they were wrong. They should have...

• 1:49:59Speaker 04

  What are you gonna tell three girls?

• 1:50:00Bill Maher?

  Could I just finish?

• 1:50:00Speaker 04

  Yes, sorry.

• 1:50:01Bill Maher?

  Just, they should have, they should have included this. Because, but this is back in the day and they were too far that way. Now they've gone too far the other way. And they have, in many places, introduced this concept so overwhelmingly that they have put the idea in kids' heads who probably wouldn't have thought about it otherwise or who just didn't know what kind of phase they were going through. Again, girls were tomboys and etc. And every other country in the world is just a lot more careful than we are about just immediately going, "Okay, that's it. Switch bodies, you're this now." And it's just not gonna look good in the future. It just really isn't.

• 1:50:44Bill Maher?

  It's my view, but we have to cut it there. I have a word from...

• 1:50:47Speaker 04

  You gotta pee.

• 1:50:48Bill Maher?

  I have a pee and a word from Del Monte. But I do wanna pick this up with you. And I appreciate you willing to talk to me about this 'cause some, like, of the woke, they won't even talk to me. Which is, again, if you won't talk to somebody who voted for the same person as you, that's wrong. You gotta be...

• 1:51:08Speaker 04

  You know me enough to know I will talk about anything.

• 1:51:10Bill Maher?

  I appreciate that.

• 1:51:11Speaker 04

  And I appreciate, you know, this and having this opportunity and, you know, who knew? Who knew we were gonna get in the trans beef?

• 1:51:19Bill Maher?

  I didn't want beef with you.

• 1:51:20Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:51:21Bill Maher?

  I've been too big a fan for too long a time.

• 1:51:23Speaker 04

  I know, same here. I mean, it's all, all good.

• 1:51:29Bill Maher?

  I don't need any more beefs. I have so many beefs. And I'm the nicest guy in the world.

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