Ep. 722: All Hands for Public Lands! (Part Deux: Redux) | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Brody Henderson, Seth Morris, and Cory Calkins catch up with former Vermont Forest, Parks, and Recreation Commissioner and owner of Greenfire Enterprises, Michael Snyder, to chat logging and deer management, throwback to favorite memories on our public lands, get a roundtable fishing report, hold the inaugural MeatEater Pond Punch-out in a competition between Seth and Cory, and pick the winner of the Moultrie trail cam photo contest. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:07Speaker 03

  All right, we're on. Welcome to the June 26th episode of Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 o'clock here in Bozeman, Montana. It's 8 o'clock, 8:00 PM for Steve, who's currently in Tanzania, Africa. My kid's gotta mow his lawn tomorrow for him. I'm your host, Brody Henderson, and I'm joined by Seth Morris and Cory Calkins. Today, we're in a chat with a Vermont forester about logging and shooting whitetail does. Then we're gonna do a little Public Lands Throwback Thursday, and we're gonna follow that up with some

• 3:46Speaker 03

  regional fishing reports and a first ever Meat Eater Live Fishing Tournament between Seth and Corey. You guys nervous?

• 3:56Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Big time.

• 3:57Speaker 05

  I'm not at all.

• 3:58Speaker 03

  You shouldn't be.

• 3:59Speaker 05

  No.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  I, I, it's just gonna, this is like, like, just trail breaking stuff here, what you guys are gonna do today.

• 4:08Speaker 05

  No one's ever done it.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  I'd be nervous if I was a fish in that pond right now.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  They don't know what's coming.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Um, and last, we're gonna finish everything up with a funny trail cam photo contest, which should be really, really cool to look at. Uh, before we get to all that, we're gonna... Do a little chit chat like we usually do. What have you guys been up to?

• 4:30Speaker 04

  Well, I got a quick question. How well does Steve pay your kids for mowing his lawn?

• 4:34Speaker 03

  That was unclear. I asked, asked my kid, like, what did he tell you you were getting? He's like, he didn't say anything.

• 4:39Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  So it might be based, it might be performance based, uh, pay. We'll see.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  Well, naturally. Yeah. What? He's gone for a while.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Then I found out he's got to bag up a bunch of grass because Steve needs to like mulch his potatoes or something.

• 4:54Speaker 05

  Oh, that's, I hope he charges extra for that.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll see.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Dirty work.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  So, yeah, we gotta go over there and do that.

• 5:00Speaker 05

  See, what your, what your boy needs to do is just give him an invoice.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  I know.

• 5:05Speaker 05

  Don't, don't like let Steve set the price, you know?

• 5:08Speaker 03

  That's a good idea.

• 5:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's great.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, Seth, you're about to go on a really long plane ride.

• 5:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm heading to where Steve's at right now. Tanzania tomorrow morning.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, it's, I don't know how many hours exactly, like tw- thirty, thirty some hours of travel.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  Where's it, where are your stopovers?

• 5:29Speaker 05

  Um, Minneapolis, Amsterdam, Kilimanjaro.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  That's not so bad.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  It's like, uh, whatever. From here to Minneapolis is what? Two and some change. And then it's eight hours, nine hours. And then I think there's some little type of bush plane flight we take into where we're gonna be.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 5:52Speaker 05

  In the camp.

• 5:53Speaker 03

  Well, we'll see you at the end of the summer. I'll see you in Alaska.

• 5:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  I guess.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. Gone all summer.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  That'll be an adventure, man.

• 6:01Speaker 05

  You guys will have to do some fishing for me.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Oh, we're heading out this weekend. We're going after some walleye and perch this weekend.

• 6:07Speaker 05

  Just don't send me any photos because I don't, I'll be jealous.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Seth would rather see a picture of a big walleye than like a lion or a dragon.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a true story.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  I bet.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Cory, been doing anything fun?

• 6:20Speaker 04

  Lots of fishing and camping, trying to get my seven-year-old kid into the lifestyle.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  I saw that video of him hauling in a trout in a boat not too long ago. That's pretty cool.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  Yep, he's pretty hooked now. We got him Echo's Gecko. It's this little kid's fly rod. It's got a little fighting butt, fiberglass, four-weight, super easy for the kids to cast. Highly recommended if anybody wants to get their kids into fly fishing. It just makes anybody a professional angler. Uh, you can, I was shocked that it could land these super heavy stout, healthy fish on the Missouri.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Bendy fiberglass rod.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, very easy to.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  You gonna use it today in the tournament? You should.

• 6:57Speaker 04

  I should, but no, I got my kid's other rod, actually. A little seven-foot, seven-and-a-half-foot four-weight.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Should do the trick.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  Um, Phil, we got, we got our interviewee ready to go.

• 7:10Speaker 05

  He is in the waiting room. Yeah, he's ready to go.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  Let's, let's talk, uh, let's talk logging and stuff.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Let's bring him in.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Okay, today we're joined by a former Meat Eater podcast guest, Mike Snyder. Mike served 12 years as the Commissioner of Vermont's Department of Forest Parks and Recreation, and also as state fore- forester. Today he's the owner of Green Fire Enterprises, uh, which is an operation that consults on forest conservation, uh, forestry and outdoor recreation. And he's also a writer who wrote, uh, Woodswise, An Exploration of Forests and Forestry. So, Mike, thanks for joining us, man.

• 7:54Speaker 06

  Happy to be here, guys.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  I like your shirt.

• 7:56Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, appropriate shirt.

• 7:58Speaker 06

  Figure we had to wrap today for that. Seth, good to see you again. Last time we chatted, we were comparing notes on the old dendrology classes.

• 8:05Speaker 05

  Yes, sir. Good to see you again.

• 8:07Speaker 06

  Thank you. Right on.

• 8:08Speaker 03

  Uh, Mike, just in case anyone missed the, the podcast that you were on, can you give us just a brief rundown of your experience in the field of forestry and then we'll move on to some current event stuff?

• 8:20Speaker 06

  Sure. Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm a forester. I live here in Vermont. I've, I've been practicing forestry now just 40 years here in a, in a, in a variety of capacities over time, uh, forest science, um, forest, um, management, sort of working with private landowners. And then I, as you mentioned, I was tapped to. Fill a political role as Commissioner of the Department of Forest Parks and Recreation, working closely with the Department of Fish and Wildlife on related matters. And so, a couple of years ago, I stepped down from that and have gone back into private practice with my company, Greenfire, as you say, consulting on a variety of forestry, conservation, outdoor recreation-related topics.

• 9:03Speaker 06

  I also spent time teaching at UVM, University of Vermont, teaching forestry for a decade and a half. And I've been writing for various magazines over time as well. So it's a mixed bag, but pretty much everything I've ever done has been related to the woods one way or another.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  So, like, for all those city folks out there, like, what does a forester do? Is it just like, looking at a chunk of land and being like, how do we make this healthy? How do we keep this forest healthy? Like, just like, what, like, say, as the state fore-, well, you said state forester was political, but, like, what's an on-the-ground forester doing?

• 9:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's a good question, because there is a lot of, it seems over time, definitely learned, there's misconceptions. There's a lot of ways to be a forester.

• 9:52Speaker 06

  But the sort of boots on the ground, as you described, the basic field forester is, as you say, it's the folks who kind of take care of the woods, understand, map, inventory, describe, and make decisions and choices about how to get what people need from the woods while taking care of the woods. One good analogy I would draw that's very helpful, I think, is, it's rough, but it's reasonable, particularly where you think about forester as differentiated from logger. So, like, the fore-, think of like architect and builder. The forester is more like the architect, design, the input on the front end, and then the logger is more like the builder, who actually does the tough work of harvesting trees, you know, getting them out of the woods in a careful way.

• 10:37Speaker 06

  And so, you know, that's how I would describe it. Foresters just are responsible to the landowner and to the land, and kind of agent for land and for landowner. Trying to hold it all together and you know, forest health is the root of it. But also the practical realities of people needing stuff from the woods. We use an enormous amount of wood products. A wild range of wood products in our daily lives, even if we don't really know it. Um, and foresters, that's the core of what forestry and foresters uh are all about.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Cool. Um, well, since you're a forester and uh, I'm assuming you worked with a lot of logging operations. So you like, we've established you got some uh subject matter expertise. Um. I wanted, wanted to get your thoughts on the recent uh repeal of the roadless rules that in national forests that are going to open up tens of millions of acres of national forest to logging. Um. There's definitely like, I, I believe some legitimate concerns around this uh surrounding like threats to critical wildlife habitat and threats to the, the headwaters of, of river drainages

• 11:56Speaker 03

  that supply clean water to millions of people. Um, but the logging part, it, it, it's not so cut and dry. You know, some folks feel like all logging is going to end up being this, this like ecological disaster. And there's others that are like, man, it's national forest, like every single acre of it should be used and logged. Um. So you know, we're not so reliant on Canadian lumber and you're creating jobs and, and like that's legitimate too. Um. So like, give us your perspective on this a, a, and try to help our listeners understand like when logging is good and when it's bad, like both in practice and, and in location.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, there's a lot to talk there. No, we got a couple hours.

• 12:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 06

  There's a lot there, right? And so it's like so many things, particularly in nature or wherever biology or ecology or involved people, policy seem to really want black and white, one size fits all kind of policies and approaches and statements. And forests, all biological systems, they just don't do that. And so here where we're talking about logging, habitats, management, you know, it's complicated. So I would start there and then say it's nowhere near as simple or black and white as any of us might want to say when we go to our respective corners and sort of hunker down. Let's start with, I would start with, the forests are incredible, they're

• 13:33Speaker 06

  complex, they're diverse, they're dynamic, and they don't need us. They're just fine, and they're gonna be fine. But the fact is, we need them. And we have been involved with forests for forever. There's never been a time in the history of people when people weren't utterly dependent on wood for a variety of things, basic needs. And that continues. There's no reason to think that's ever going to change. So we have this relationship. And on the one hand, we'd like to say, let's set it aside and leave it be. And then there's the more Leopoldian kind of approach of like, we're part of this community. And that's where forest re comes in. And that's where we have to start thinking with public lands,

• 14:15Speaker 06

  national forests, the intent is very clear for this multi-use mandate and for wood supply. And so then we just further get into like, well, what, where, when, for what reasons? And proposals to, generally speaking, whether it's roadless rule, or doing away with pesky regulations, as it's been called, but just basically an executive order that says, let's increase the amount of timber supply, domestic supply. On its face, I'd say there's some good stuff there. Like, it's reasonable to up our, you know, production of domestic wood. We have the resource, we have the wood base, we have the the technology, we have the the expertise to do it really well.

• 14:59Speaker 06

  Um, and so, any given place uh where there's a proposal on public lands for logging. It's not logging just because somebody doesn't like trees or wants enjoys cutting them down. It's to meet massive demands, uh societal demands and economic needs. Um, and so. Um, you gotta look at each one, um. And I would, I would also just say that the public lands managers, the foresters, biologists, hydrologists. Um, you know, that work on public lands that propose and and vet. Logging projects, they're they're more than logging projects, they're forest management projects and logging is a tool.

• 15:42Speaker 06

  To affect various changes in the forest to to um. Tweak forest health, to reduce fuel loads, to enhance habitat, to protect water quality. And the wood that comes off is this wonderful byproduct. Um, but these are the most regulated, the most. That that that scrutinized, the the the the quality of silvicultural planning. And then implementation, it's it's the best anywhere, certainly more than on private lands or industrial lands. Uh, and so, you know, I would encourage folks to to to relax a little bit and then look into the details of any given. Proposal, uh.

• 16:22Speaker 06

  And then lastly, I would just say, well, this idea that, well, let's just increase domestic supply, that's. For me, that would, that may, as I said, that makes sense on the surface. But that's not what is wrong with or um what what plagues rural communities where. Um, that depend on harvesting, like, we've lost mills, we've lost workforce, the loggers, the truckers. We lost the mills, the secondary manufacturing facilities. And we can dump a lot of wood back into the system, but therefore aren't loggers, there aren't truckers, there aren't mills and processing facilities. Um, to to process, produce material from those.

• 17:01Speaker 06

  It doesn't do us any good. So that's my big point in all this is we can get all hot and bothered about any given logging project.

• 17:10Speaker 06

  But it doesn't matter if we don't have the the real policy shifts are in workforce and education. Rural redevelopment, investment in these facilities that have this conservation effect on the landscape. That's my big point here would be that forestry is a conservation tool that keeps forests forests. And it's counterintuitive to most people that we can save forests by cutting trees. But we meet our needs with wood being better than all the alternative materials, plastics, steel, concrete. And that's what we got to get over is that people, survey after survey show that people really truly love wood. And people say that wood is the most sustainable material of all. They're right.

• 17:55Speaker 06

  But then they say that logging and forestry are the least sustainable. So this is where we gotta, we gotta lean in. People love wood, but they don't like how we get wood. And that's a big problem. Public lands can play a role in supplying wood and helping us realize that it's done well. It's complicated. And yeah, I guess I'll pause there. Just.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 18:17Speaker 06

  I know I spit out a lot there.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  That's all right.

• 18:19Speaker 06

  There's a ton.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  We had plenty of time there. We had plenty of time. Uh, let's, let's jump into hunting next, Mike, if we can. Vermont recently expanded doe hu- hunting opportunities in order to address some overpopulation issues, I'm assuming.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  And state biologists and ecologists kind of agree that keeping deer numbers in check would lead to healthier herds, healthier forests. We've seen a lot of states go this route in the past couple of decades. And the hunting community, like in general, I would say. Has embraced killing more white till does as a management tool, but I heard that some Vermont hunters were very opposed to increasing doe harvest. Um, so we're going to get your thoughts there. Like when I was a kid in Pennsylvania, a lot of the old timers frowned on killing does because they thought that meant less bucks in the future. I don't know if it was that way for you Seth.

• 19:24Speaker 05

  Same.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Um, but again, like I feel like in the last couple of decades, last decade for sure. Um, I think most white till hunters have turned the corner on that. Um, so it's interesting to me that there's still, you know, a widespread stigma against killing does in Vermont.

• 19:44Speaker 06

  It's, yeah, you nailed it. And this is, it's so Vermont, as of now, um, we have antlerless, you know, with archery. Um, and there's a lottery system for antlerless tags for muzzleloader, but it's verboten. There's never, you know, you don't shoot does during the rifle season. And that's what, um, has recently looks like it's changing. So, and Vermont is the only state in the Northeast, uh, I think all the way through Pennsylvania down in Virginia that doesn't, still doesn't allow any antlerless rifle hunting. Uh, and so the Fish and Wildlife Board, the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Board that is charged with setting regulations, um, and developing and enacting those regulations for hunting and fishing and trapping, things

• 20:28Speaker 06

  like seasons, bag limits, methods of taking license fees. That's the body that makes these decisions and they've since, last time, it's been 40 years since there was any doe season. Um, and that's back in the mid eighties, uh, during rifle and it was highly contentious then. There were more deer and more hunters then. And so you're right. Now they have this, these deer density targets for, for various management units around the state. Uh, and they're finding that we have fewer hunters and more deer and that's a problem for habitat and for healthy forests. And so they've been suggesting this and it's been no, no, no, no, no, no. Philosophy, the traditional philosophy is you don't shoot up.

• 21:10Speaker 06

  And so, a couple of weeks ago, at its last board meeting, the department proposed about seven changes to the deer management rule. And the board, well, so this, this was the second vote. They, in February, they voted. That's the first vote to say, okay, this will, let's go forward with public comment and the process. And that opened up this can of worms and it's very contentious and many of my buddies, hunting pals, they're, they're dead set against it. But they went for it and they came back and then two weeks ago, they had a meeting, they had the, a vote and it was highly contentious and it's a fourteen member, board and this component passed eight six.

• 21:54Speaker 06

  And so, it, with quite a lot of controversy and contention. So, that's the second vote. That is the most important, meaningful vote. It now goes to the Legislative Committee on Administrative Rules. And then it'll go back to the board for the third vote, which is usually kind of pro forma.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  So is that, is it not a done deal yet?

• 22:15Speaker 06

  Correct. That's what I'm trying to say. This is the big step just happened, which, you know, I spoke with the Director of Fish and Wildlife yesterday and he indicated, this generally means it's going forward, but yeah, there are a couple more steps. And then it would go into effect if passed fully. And it, as it is expected to do now, this was the last big hurdle. It'll be fall of twenty six where these go into effect. And there's a re, a number of related rules, but this was the big one. The antlerless permits to be used during the regular sixteen day rifle season in November.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Has, has Vermont experienced, like, is their deer herd, like, on a big upward? Climb, like, there, there's, like, i- is there too many? I mean, too many is obviously. You know, it depends on who you're talking to.

• 23:01Speaker 06

  It is, and it's amazing, right? This is a small state. You guys are in Montana. This is a really small state. And yet even here, we have wide ranging habitat conditions and populations. So by management unit around the state, there are some that have, the biologists even indicate, we foresters have been kind of whining about this for some time. Locally over abundant, leading to significant over browsing, which is not good for forests, but it's certainly not good for deer.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 23:27Speaker 06

  Yes, in some places, and that's why they want to do this, these deer density unit targets by unit. Uh, and it, but it, this, this reg would apply to all but the far northern, northeastern portion of the state. Because generally the population trends are going up, deer effort, hunter effort is down, winter severity is down. You know, the various factors they put into their model, uh, which are all pointing to our increased herd size, decreased hunting and wanting to get this back in balance with their habitat.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Right. Well, uh, myself, I hope it goes through. I think, uh, people tend to forget about this kind of stuff fairly quickly and, and, uh, you know, in 10 years, i- if, if the doe hunting thing goes through, it'll, it'll, it won't be an issue anymore. That's, that's my take on it anyway.

• 24:16Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I think, you know, like you say, it's contentious and there's a lot of folks that are not into it. There have been ones made at this over the last, you know, few decades. And they do surveys and it's been slowly changing where hunters are saying, you know, before it was, everybody was against it, then, then there's some for it. And now it's about half. And the board heard from their constituents ultimately, and I think for some of them it was really hard. But there's still a bunch who say it's really a safety issue. They, you know, Vermont was behind in this regard as well. We don't require hunter orange. And so there's sort of brown is down fear and it's going to be crazy out there come rifle season.

• 24:54Speaker 06

  Uh, and I, as I understand it, that's a big piece of the, the, the concerns against even because the culture has shifted. As you suggest to, well, we get this a little bit more now that maybe we need to shoot some does a bit more than just with bow and arrow.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Yep. Yep. Um, all right. Uh, I understand that, that, uh, you're going on the hunt of a lifetime this fall out in our area. Um, and One of uh, one of our country's most impressive public land destinations, the Bob Marshall Wilderness. Um, are you, are you, what are you going after deer elk? Are you going, you doing this on your own? Are you getting a guide?

• 25:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, this, I'm so excited and you rightly called it a hunt of a lifetime. This is uh, not something I've done, done. I've hunted in Montana and in the west elsewhere, but this is a pack string hunt. Guided, fully, you know, outfitted. We're going in the Bob Marshall, uh, uh, seven days hunting deer elk. Three good buddies, excellent hunters that I have been, we're, we're more trackers here in the northeast. Uh, we don't, you know, sit, sit on stands and, um, and uh, so this is just going to be super different. Um, and I, I have to say each one of us is completely freaked out at the prospect of being lame for three or four days after being on a horse.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  I know which, which end, I know which end the food goes in and I think I'm pretty sure which end the food comes out. That's the end of my horsemanship, uh, uh, knowledge.

• 26:22Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, it's the, the, the Bob is, is a super cool place. So that alone will make the trip worth it for you. I think.

• 26:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's how we see it. It's like, you know, no matter what, this is going to be great. Right? I mean, just great.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Watch out for grizzlies.

• 26:36Speaker 06

  You guys have for getting ready for this.

• 26:38Speaker 05

  Well, Corey here used to guide in the Bob, so.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, Mike, I guided in there for a decade. Uh, I'm not going to ask where you're going because it's all gnarly and rugged, but yeah, get ready for the toughest hunt of your life.

• 26:49Speaker 06

  I'm ready. I'm going to be ready. It's, this, this is super motivating, right? I mean, and, and then the, you know, talking with the outfitter, just like, I don't know, most of, I don't shoot at 400 yards very often. I don't even know how to train for that. So that's my biggest fear is sort of being ready for a good shot at, at distance because that's just not something that I have a lot of experience with.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, depending on what end of the wilderness you're in, the area I was in, our average shot was 60 to 80 yards with a rifle.

• 27:17Speaker 06

  That's what I'm talking.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Because we're hunting in, during the rut, as you know, so.

• 27:21Speaker 06

  Right.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:22Speaker 06

  This is just so, I, I, I don't know if I dropped that to somebody. I'm really glad you brought it up already. I, this is like, I, you can imagine my excitement, right?

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Yep. Well, Mike, thanks for uh, thanks for checking in with us and good luck on that hunt.

• 27:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, good luck, Mike.

• 27:37Speaker 06

  Thanks guys. Take care.

• 27:38Speaker 03

  Take it easy.

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• 30:35Speaker 03

  Man, unless you've been living under a rock in like Senator Mike Lee's backyard, you probably know what's going on with his attempts to sell off our public lands. It's like ever changing. And so there's been like three different versions of it this week, but it's still, he's still going after that stuff. But just in case you're not aware of what's going on, like hop on our website, read the article, follow Cal on Instagram and he'll keep you up to date. But just to show people like how important this stuff is and what's at stake. Me and the boys here are going to remind you about it and share some of our favorite

• 31:19Speaker 03

  public land hunting. Did you guys do fish, any fishing or just hunting?

• 31:24Speaker 05

  I just did hunting slash, yeah.

• 31:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  Mine's neither.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  Yours is neither. You threw a little twist, a little hiking, biking kind of stuff?

• 31:34Speaker 04

  Hiking, yep, not a biker.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  Gotcha. Anyway, we're going to share some pictures and tell a little story and kind of let you know why public lands are important to us. Corey, since you're not a hunter anymore, why don't you start off?

• 31:52Speaker 04

  Uh, well, I'm gonna throw this all the way back to last

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Did I screw you up there, Phil, by having Corey go first?

• 31:58Speaker 04

  Probably.

• 31:58Speaker 05

  Oh, no, it's fine. I can, I can change things on the fly.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  Alright. Feels like a chameleon. He can adapt. Uh, anyway, I'm gonna throw this all the way back to last week, last Wednesday.

• 32:09Speaker 03

  Long time ago.

• 32:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  A few colleagues and myself teamed up with the Station Foundation, which is a amazing organization, uh, made up of special operations vets and other highly trained professionals that help transition our nation's special ops forces and their families get back to normal civilian life, uh, which includes a multi-day retreat here in Montana, which includes one day of hiking this 10,000-foot peak just south of Bozeman. Uh, so three of us from Meat Eater here.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Is that within the five-mile, uh, corridor or whatever border thing that Mike leaves like, oh?

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Not quite.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  Not quite, but it's close. It's close to town.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, and from the top, uh, I mean, you can see one of, uh, one of our busier towns in this city, or excuse me, in the state of Montana, uh, not Bozeman, but

• 33:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Anyway, it was a really amazing experience. There was 30 of us that summited this peak. Kids ranging from eight to 15, I think, and then a bunch of their dads and, um, some of the uh, other volunteers for the Station Foundation climbed this 10,000-foot peak. Hats off to all those kids who made it up there. My seven-year-old kid wouldn't have made it halfway up there, and there were these eight-year-old kids who just kicked its ass, uh, last Wednesday. Beautiful day, couldn't have had better weather. There's a view. All that that you can see right there in that photo is public land, so keep your hands off of it. Damn it.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Nice. Seth, what do you got for us?

• 33:38Speaker 05

  Oh, I got, uh, a photo of a mountain lion.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 33:43Speaker 05

  Um, this is the first mountain lion I've ever encountered in my life. Have seen multiple since then, but this was 2017, I believe. Um, was hunting, this is during arch season in September in Montana here, hunting some public land, national forest, and, uh, Weren't hearing many bugles that day. Um, so we're kind of just still hunting through some timber. And um, kind of out of nowhere, a few cows and a couple calf elk kind of filtered past us. So we kind of hunkered down thinking, you know, there might be a bull behind them or whatnot and we're.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  This is all pretty new experience for you.

• 34:20Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  Coming from back east.

• 34:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, this was my first archery season.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  Like all this public land to just go.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I'd I'd moved in two thousand sixteen, but this was the first time I had like my resident license for archery season. Um, and so these these elk kind of moved past us and we hunkered down just to see what was gonna happen next and. Um, I kind of look over and I see something brown like moving kind of on the same trail where these elk could just come by. It's probably. I don't know, maybe a minute later. And sure shit, it was this mountain lion. And it was like hunting those elk.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 35:00Speaker 05

  Um, which was cool. And this photo here was taken through a pair of binoculars with a cell phone.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Oh, cool.

• 35:07Speaker 05

  Um.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  Turned out pretty.

• 35:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, it turned out pretty good. And uh, so thi- this thing, it came, it came to about fifty yards of us. And once it like noticed we were there, it like did the like the cat just like hunkered, like it just sunk to the ground, like put its belly on the ground. And just sat there for a couple of minutes just staring at us and like we weren't moving. So it. It I don't think it really knew what we were at first and then finally it just like got up and and ran off, but.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, it was.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  That's one.

• 35:37Speaker 05

  It was so cool. Yeah, it was awesome experience.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Sweet.

• 35:42Speaker 05

  All on public land.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Nice shot.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  I guess that leaves me. Um, this year is gonna be, it'll be twenty years I've been out west. Um.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Hunting and um, man, I don't know, like I, I like, let's say I've in 20 years I've killed, I don't know. Let, let's say like 50 big game animals or something like that. I think only four or maybe five of those animals were, were killed on private land. I don't, I've got nothing against hunting on private land. It's how I grew up. Um, but when I came out and to the west and was like, I have all this stuff to hunt. And 20 years later, here I am. Um, these pictures. Um, are my, my older boy, like his firsts that he's had on all on public land in the last few years.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  So like this is his first ever deer, mule deer buck, uh, that he got on public land. Um, I don't know what Phil has, has teed up next. This was his first elk last year on public land. Um, antelope, that's his first day was his little bro there with him. Um. And then I think the last photos, me and him, he, we, we doubled on turkeys last year. Um, the reason I picked these photos is because like those firsts are super important. And like that kid only knows hunting on public land. Like we don't have a bunch of friends with big private ranches and access to a bunch of private land.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Like this is how this kid hunts and i- if that stuff gets taken away, that get, that's getting taken away from him. I'm not so worried about myself, you know, but like those opportunities will be taken away from him and a bunch of other kids and first time hunters and, you know, on top of that, all the other people that, that recreate on public land. So that, those are the pictures that I chose and that's why I chose them.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. Good point.

• 37:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 05

  Yup, it's not worth it.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  Nope, nope. Um, what's, what's the chat have to say about all that, Phil?

• 37:59Speaker 05

  A lot of people yelling about protecting public land, calling your senator, a bunch of, a bunch of, a handful of Canadians who are, who are worried for us.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Is Brett Reece still, Brent Reece still lurking in there, not working?

• 38:11Speaker 05

  He hasn't said anything for a while, so I think he's probably, I don't know.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  And he bailed at the grind.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  Doing something with, with a knife or recording a podcast. But, uh, let's see here, we've got to, we've got to, uh, get your questions in. This has been question light, a question light episode, but if you have any questions for the crew, let me know. But, um, Colton asks, Seth, what's the plan for y'all's time in Tanzania? Um, we're, I know Steve's buffalo hunting. Um, so spend a big chunk of time doing that. And then I think he wants to kill a warthog too. Other than that, I don't know. I think we're just gonna be hiking around the bush a bunch and. You guys are there for a long time, right? Yeah. Like almost three weeks?

• 38:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's quite a chunk of time. Um, so yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he, if he gets those things early, we're gonna go after other things.

• 39:02Speaker 03

  I got a question for you.

• 39:03Speaker 05

  What's that?

• 39:05Speaker 03

  If one of those water buffalo charges Steve and you're right over his shoulder with that camera, what are you gonna do?

• 39:12Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm gonna drop the camera.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  That's what I was wondering. That's what I was getting at.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  Uh, I will also say too, that we are going to have a handful of, um, bonus podcast episodes coming out, um, around the Africa trip.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  Not water buffalo, Cape buffalo.

• 39:27Speaker 05

  Cape buffalo, yeah. So, um, they're gonna be kind of sort of diaries from the field with Steve and, and various members of the crew that are gonna be on the trip, um, Seth included, uh, Dirt Myth as well. So look forward to those ones. And then we're gonna have a big old normal podcast episode, uh, at the end of the trip. And then I'm sure you guys can look forward to some video content down the road, but that stuff takes a few months to put together, but. Yeah. Yeah, this is all for season 13 of Meteor.

• 39:54Speaker 05

  So yeah, I'm gonna just stick to, stick close to whoever has that double barrel rifle.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a smart plan.

• 40:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, Noah asks, Brody, what was your favorite thing? To do outdoors wise in PA.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I can never answer these questions like hunting and fishing. I did more fishing just because I was younger when I was there, but I did a lot of hunting too.

• 40:19Speaker 05

  This guy's asked this question before and I don't remember if you guys were in the room. When he asked it, but he wants to, he wants an answer from everyone on the crew and I'll, I'll give him that opportunity, but he says. Uh, what animal do you shamelessly wish was a game animal, but, but, uh, is it not? And will never be. Hmm whales. That's a good answer.

• 40:42Speaker 03

  Well, they're game animals for some people, I guess.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  I, I, that is not something I've ever even like considered.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a tough one. Is, can tourists? That's pretty, I'm shamelessly saying that, but it's tourist season here in Montana, but I can't seem to find a tag, so.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, what else would be good? Trying to think.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Wild horses.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, wild horses.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  That's mine.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, that'd be good. Got some here in Montana.

• 41:14Speaker 05

  Uh, to the dads, this is from Alaska High Boy. Any books for kids? And I mean, I think it goes without saying, uh, some of the ones that Brody wrote that I'm sure he'll mention, but he says.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  Those are pretty good.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Those, those are solid. He says he's got an almost one year old and he's tired of all the cutesy, far from accurate wildlife books.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  That's a tough one for me, man. Like, I, like, it's so little, like, I don't even. Like, we just read our one year old, all sorts of stuff. I don't know that there's like outdoor. Specific books that we were reading to our kids at that age.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, same. I know there's some out there, but we didn't read any of them. Now he's too old for those little kids books.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 05

  Question for Cory. Figurnit outdoors. Solid name there. Uh, this guy, he got too excited and didn't even finish his question. He says, spring bear scope magnification, SFP or FFP? And best all around cartridge and, and then he stops, but I think you can answer some of those if you would like to.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, I like the second focal plane.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Four to 15 is plenty. If you're shooting anywhere over 300 yards, you might want to zoom in a little bit more than 12 power. Uh, but you certainly don't need it. Uh, depending on where you're hunting too, if you're shooting close quarters, you might not even need a scope.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  And then best all around cartridge is the 300 Winchester Magnum. Period.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  There you go. Corey has spoken. Uh, let's see here. Just kinda, these are, these are coming in hot, hot and heavy. Trying to, trying to pick them out. Uh, Dan the Outdoorman. Question for the crew, any unwanted interactions with the environmental police while hunting or fishing? Any complicated laws gotten you in trouble before?

• 43:00Speaker 03

  Nope. All my interactions with game wardens have been very pleasant. Because I haven't had any reason to be in trouble.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, same as a fishing guide, we'd get pulled over all the time, making sure we, I was licensed and our, my anglers were, had their fishing licenses and we had enough life jackets in the boat. But it was always a pleasant.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, I never had any bad. There's one time we had a weird interaction with a park ranger. In a spot where we were hunting.

• 43:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Close to a park and he, uh, seemed like the guy just didn't like hunters.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  I was with you on that one.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  But that wasn't like, that wasn't a game word.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  No, it wasn't a game word. It was just a, yeah, weird interaction with.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 43:43Speaker 05

  Authority.

• 43:45Speaker 05

  Uh, we'll do one more Africa question, then we can, we can move it along. Long Max says, question for Seth, will you get any opportunities to hunt in Tanzania? I don't think so. Yeah. No. It's usually the Steve show down there, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.

• 43:57Speaker 04

  Shoot with.

• 43:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's too expensive, I think. Yeah. Get critters over there.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  All right, we'll check back in with those guys towards the end of the show. Our next segment is is new. Um, we're going to do kind of a regional summer fishing report.

• 44:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, so we've got a handful, we got a couple of remote check-ins from some, uh, some crew members.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Let's take. Phil, it says pause for sound here. Do you got a song or not?

• 44:27Speaker 05

  Uh, no, I don't have a sound. I don't know.

• 44:30Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  That was somebody.

• 44:32Speaker 05

  Make one up right now, Phil.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  That was somebody casting a line and hoping that something would bite.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  All right, um, we'll come up with a song for that one.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  You and me going fishing in the dark.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 44:42Speaker 05

  We didn't play this one.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Oh, we didn't. I didn't give you time to play it earlier.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  That's okay.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Fishing report.

• 44:53Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  All right, we're live.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  We were to start out.

• 45:05Speaker 05

  Oh, sorry, Brody.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Can't even introduce these guys.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Uh, but as it's been getting hotter, the rivers, they've been shrinking down, obviously. And the fish have been getting more concentrated. I've noticed that the smallies, they've started to run in big groups, uh, going after bait balls, some minnows. Uh, any sort of streamer, those have been working well, crawdads. Also, this time of year, if you're looking to catch a big trophy smalley, uh, night fishing is super effective. Um, on the trout side of things, the sulfur hatches in full swing. I've been hearing from some of my guide buddies that they are going more after the dry flies than the emergers. Um, and then this time of year, you will find the long eared sunfish are in full bloom. They're as vibrant as ever, looking like something straight out of the Amazon rainforest.

• 45:55Speaker 04

  So get out there, go get them. Uh, good luck to everyone this week who's going out there to fish. Stay safe and hey, keep it public.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  Yeah buddy.

• 46:05Speaker 05

  God, he sounds like Clay.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  He's way better angler than Clay.

• 46:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's true.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  Well, that sounds pretty good.

• 46:14Speaker 05

  I'll let you tee this one up, Brody. I apologize.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  We're bringing in, thank you, because I came up with a good one.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  Um, we're bringing in Chester the Walleye Molester from Wisconsin to let us know what's going on out there.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 46:27Speaker 07

  Hello, everybody. Chester Floyd coming at you from northern Wisconsin. Here's your northern Wisconsin muskie fishing report. Uh, with the weather being so inconsistent in northern Wisconsin, the fish have kind of been inconsistent too, but big fish are being caught. Uh, once you find them one day, they could be gone and move the next day. So the key is to move around a bunch till you find those fish. I'm going to focus on main lake points, kind of main lake humps. If I can find weeds on those, all the better. Some baits that have been working have been, uh, top water baits, jerk baits, like a squirrely tail hellhound here.

• 47:04Speaker 07

  Soon enough, the rubber bite and the bucktail bite should, uh, should pick up, uh, with wa- with the weather, you know, leveling out and being more consistent. I haven't been out a lot recently, so I got this information from my buddy Gus Manti, uh, with Sugs Fishing dot com. He's a guide up here, but I hope you guys can get out on the water and hopefully this information helps you catch a big old muskie. See ya.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  Very professional report from Chester there.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, thanks, boys. Wow.

• 47:36Speaker 05

  He's in his new fancy Lund. I'm jealous of that boat.

• 47:39Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Seth, I know you don't got a report because you're all mad that you haven't been fishing.

• 47:44Speaker 05

  Well, I have been fishing, but it's not, it's not worth a report, so.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  Gotcha.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  So it's been tough?

• 47:48Speaker 05

  It's been tough for me.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 47:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Corey?

• 47:52Speaker 04

  Uh, man, I've been fly angling on some of our local waters around here and it's been amazing, really good. Runoffs over with a little early this year. Water temps are just right for now.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 48:05Speaker 04

  Getting it, river temps just right. Me, I wish it was. End of July, not the end of June.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  These water temps.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  We've already got some.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Like, right now is the time, because in three weeks, there might not be a lot of.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  Angling to be done.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  We've already got some Houdal restrictions going on.

• 48:21Speaker 04

  But it's good.

• 48:22Speaker 03

  Shutting stuff down.

• 48:23Speaker 04

  It's really good right now.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Um, I've been out a little bit, uh, planning on heading out this weekend to one of our favorite lakes for perch and walleye. I hear it's picking up, so I'll have a report for you later after that.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, we'll have to do this again.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  Um, I would, I do kinda have a report.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  All right, let's hear it.

• 48:40Speaker 05

  I guess you called that. I've, I've been keeping track of what's going on with the local Montana walleye circuit.

• 48:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  And holy crap, some big numbers this year.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  I saw the numbers from Tiber.

• 48:53Speaker 05

  Phew.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Holy cow.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. Big numbers.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  Hmm. Hundred and forty pound bag.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  Hundred and forty-three pounds for the, the winning bag.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  So that's ten fish, yeah?

• 49:03Speaker 05

  Fish.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  That's.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  Dang.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  That's.

• 49:05Speaker 05

  Do, do the math in your head there.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:08Speaker 05

  Figure out what the average weight was.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  It's a lot. Cool.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  That's good to hear.

• 49:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, sounds like the walleye fishing, uh, other than where I've been fishing's been good.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, all right, we're, we're gonna stick with the fishing theme for, for this next section. Uh, we're, we're not doing one minute fishing, because it never seems to work out. Um, I'm really over it. Uh, we're gonna do something different.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  We're, this is gonna be really exciting for everyone. First of its kind, live fishing contest between Seth and Corey. We've, we've got our own, uh, trout pond right out here behind Meat Eater HQ.

• 49:47Speaker 04

  That's what it is.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  Um, Seth's gonna be out there with his spin pole and Corey's gonna take his fly rod, but I am picking.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  I'm picking their lure slash fly for them.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  I'm nervous about that.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  Me too.

• 50:02Speaker 03

  You shouldn't be. I didn't get, I, I thought about being mean, but I'm not gonna be mean.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  So, I actually, I'm gonna give you a choice.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  Ooh. I like options.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  It, Corey, if you can't catch fish with one of these two things, like, I'm gonna be really embarrassed for you.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  Corey's happy already.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Olive or black woolly bugger.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  And then Seth, a little Panther Martin.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Or a little Cas Master, both of which are.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  Oh, now.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Pretty good choices.

• 50:28Speaker 05

  What do you mean? Oh, I like that.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 50:33Speaker 05

  We did a little pre-fish yesterday and.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  I'm a little worried. I need the heavier one. I didn't bring any lead.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  That's what you get.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  I know. I get it. I was ready for whatever. They're pretty aggressive out there, mostly brook trout that we can find. I know there's, well, somebody caught a cutthroat in there at one point, right?

• 50:48Speaker 05

  I caught a sucker in there one time.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  Okay, nice. You don't know. Okay, so.

• 50:54Speaker 03

  So choose your weapon, man.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  I'm going with the Panther Martin.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  I'm going with the olive woolly bugger.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  All right. Um. Run out there and catch some fish.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  Here we go. Timer goes.

• 51:09Speaker 05

  Is it, is this like?

• 51:12Speaker 05

  First fish?

• 51:13Speaker 03

  I guess I just gotta sit here while they're, they're out fishing.

• 51:17Speaker 05

  Hello, audio listeners. Phil butting in to let you know that I am cutting this entire segment out of the podcast version that you are currently listening to because frankly, it wasn't very exciting for audio only listeners. We didn't get a lot of uh banter from Seth and Corey out there at the pond. So let's just cut right back to the moment where they come back in the studio. And Seth wins the competition with one fish.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  How'd that, how'd that look, Phil? Uh, terrible. So you're gonna have to tell us about it.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Oh. Yeah, give us a rundown.

• 51:51Speaker 05

  When I was releasing that fish, I don't know if you could hear it, but there was a lady behind me saying, release it nicely, gently, gently. We did not hear that.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, we had some spectators. There were some lawn mowers.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  Um, what was your challenge out there? Your biggest challenge, Corey?

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Mine was just the weeds that I had to deal with managing my line, which.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  You should have waded right in there.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  I thought about it. Not really. Uh, yesterday we went and tested the water just to make sure there was actually fish in there.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  I saw that, like you're doing a little pre-fish and beating them up out there. You could have caught those fish today.

• 52:21Speaker 04

  That could have been what happened. I think I caught four yesterday.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 52:24Speaker 04

  Pretty quickly. Or it was your olive, the selection fly. Maybe I should have went with the black one, but either way, nice work, Seth.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  I, uh, I, thanks. I wasn't catching anything until, uh, I sent one all the way up into where that.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  That creek comes in.

• 52:37Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 52:37Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 52:38Speaker 05

  And then I could see him. He missed it a few times. I could see it flashing.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  Oh, cool.

• 52:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. And then he got him.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  What a rush.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  Bit of an upset, I'd say Seth. Nice work.

• 52:46Speaker 05

  Oh, I was kinda nervous because yesterday Cory was crushing them on the uh, on the fly.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  I can't be sure, but my guess is, is there's probably like 10 or 12 fish in that entire.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  That's a good guess. That might be over, overkill actually. Yeah, that half a dozen.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  I keep saying I'm gonna, during the winter, I'm gonna drill a hole and put the, the live scope down in there and just see what's going on. But I ju- it's just hard to motivate me to do that for a couple rookies.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  For sure. Yeah, that was cool.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  All right, well, that, good job, boys.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  Oh, thanks.

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• 56:16Speaker 03

  We're going to move on to our Trail Cam Photo Contest. Oh, man. Uh, here we go. It's going to be big. It's brought to us by our friends at, uh, Moultrie. And for the first round, we ask you guys to send us your funniest photos. We got hundreds of submissions, so choosing the top five was difficult. Um, we saw shots, uh, multiple folks taking a dump in the woods. Um, that's, that's like not, I don't know. I don't find that funny. Um, deer, raccoon, squirrel, bear fornication. That's funny. Um, topless female hiker, not funny. Um, but you know, whatever. Um,

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Anyway. Corey, you looked through all these, didn't you?

• 56:59Speaker 04

  I looked through all of them last night with a tall glass of whiskey. So thanks to everybody for putting all these in. I'd say there were like 350 submissions.

• 57:09Speaker 05

  Are you damaged from it? Or are you doing alright?

• 57:12Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Were there any that just made you laugh out loud?

• 57:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, there were, like.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  Are we gonna see them?

• 57:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, the couple that made me laugh out loud made it in here. There was a lot that should have made it in here, but it was tough to select five. Um, yeah, again, thanks to everybody for submitting. We're gonna do this again next month. Maybe with a different theme, so stay tuned, but.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  So let, like, I'll tell people what. Let's like announce what they're getting after we look at the picture.

• 57:37Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a good idea.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  Build up the excitement.

• 57:40Speaker 05

  Alright, are we ready to see photo number one here?

• 57:42Speaker 04

  Photo number one. Now, the chat. If you guys can. Give us your thoughts on the. Your funniest picture, please.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, you guys are gonna decide the winner. We're not deciding the winner. So like Phil's gonna do some quick math as you guys. Vote for these things.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  I'm gonna try to start a poll. I think I can add five. Five options on the poll, but I might be limited to four.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  This one is, uh, we can say these people's names, right?

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Branson McAtee is calling this the ninja squirrel.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  I mean, look at that capture.

• 58:12Speaker 05

  I wonder what, is he trying to land on the turkey's back? Or what's, I wonder what's going on there?

• 58:16Speaker 04

  It looks like he's going full American Ninja Warrior on this turkey.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Turkey doesn't look too concerned about the whole thing. I can't tell.

• 58:23Speaker 05

  Video.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  We'd. I know, that would be amazing. I'd be great to know what happened after, but I cracked up to this one. I mean. What a great shot.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 04

  What a capture.

• 58:34Speaker 05

  Just squirrel, you know squirrels just do weird stuff when you're.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  Yep, they're funny.

• 58:38Speaker 05

  When you're sitting in a tree stand back east, you just watch squirrels do weird stuff, which is cool.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  Okay, ninja squirrel.

• 58:44Speaker 03

  Alright, number two, uh, this is from. Level 19.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Late night taco.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  It's really hard to tell what's going on here.

• 58:54Speaker 03

  Come on, is this real?

• 58:56Speaker 04

  I was worried we had some AI generated photos, but it's, so it's hard to say what's happening here.

• 59:01Speaker 05

  I bet that's just, it's like a bug that's.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, it might be something.

• 59:05Speaker 05

  Flying by close to the camera and it just, just happened to be a, a right, right spot, right time.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'd like to think that's what it is, Seth. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna not be a, a Debbie Downer and say this was, this was like.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  This one had the second most likes on the website.

• 59:23Speaker 05

  It looks like, is that, is that a palmetto right there?

• 59:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's somewhere south.

• 59:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:28Speaker 04

  Good call.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  All right, number three.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Number three, we've got, coming from Michael Homantry, Kid Menace.

• 59:36Speaker 05

  Is he just flipping off the camera? I think he's doing the shocker. Oh, God.

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Oh, he might be.

• 59:40Speaker 05

  I can't tell.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  I feel like this kid is just driving by a camera he knows is there that his dad has out, has out and he's just like.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  Oh, he's trespassing.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  So, yeah, we had a lot of, you know, wild game images, but some really great, like, home security photos that were hilarious. And this one just seemed like it was obviously set up maybe for turkeys or deer. And this kid who's supposedly.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  Well, it's like in a neighborhood, there's like houses and stuff back there.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I remember the guy mentioning that this kid is supposed to be on the street and he keeps kinda like taking a shortcut through this.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  And then he found that camera, he's just brutalizing that guy now.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  I couldn't help.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Maybe it's more funny now.

• 1:00:17Speaker 05

  All right, here's number four.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  This is the one, Brian Kalb, Yoda.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  This is the one that I do not think is a trail cam photo.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  Okay, so Brian said, and Brody, you've met Brian before, he made sure to mention this, yep, I'll forward you the email. But he was doing a Purdue University project where they were learning how to scientifically survey wildlife populations using trail cameras. And this trail camera was a 35 millimeter film camera that they were using.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Oh, it was just set up as an, like, I gotcha.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, but a buddy of his played a, a joke and put on the Yoda mask and, uh,

• 1:00:52Speaker 04

  obviously captured something other than what they were going for here, but I.

• 1:00:55Speaker 05

  That's creepy.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  I thought it was funny. It was that, Phil, that one was for you.

• 1:01:00Speaker 05

  Oh, I, I appreciate it. Thanks for the shout out. I like to feel included, you know? Someone was having fun with that one.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  All right, number five, like, how can this not be funny?

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  Like, a bear shitting in the woods is just funny.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  If you zoom in close to, you can really, I think you can see it.

• 1:01:17Speaker 05

  I wish I, I wish I had a zoomed in. One I.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  Um, I don't want to influence people's vote, but this one gets my vote.

• 1:01:23Speaker 05

  I, I, I like it not because he's shitting, but his facial expression looking into the camera. Yeah, I got caught.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  He looks quite embarrassed. And he's like up on, I feel like he's working pretty hard because he's up on hind legs, man. Like he's really getting after.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  I was impressed by that, too.

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  Okay, so here are the limitations of the poll. We, I can only give four options. So I think as a room, we eliminate our least favorite.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  Yoda?

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm sorry, Brian. I, I understand we met, but that picture is, I don't like it.

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  All right. So I am, we are eliminating Yoda. I'm going to start the poll here in a few seconds.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  So one, two.

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  Here we go.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  Three or five.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  One, two, three or five. Poll is going live right now. Please vote in the live chat. And we will, uh.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  Do we want to mess around with, can we do a little feedback while?

• 1:02:19Speaker 05

  Of course, yes, please do.

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  People are voting. That'll give us something to do.

• 1:02:26Speaker 05

  Uh, let's see. We got a question from Mogor. Hey. Hey Mogor. Says, hi Seth, what camera are you currently using? Do you bring a lot of photography gear when you travel or just one reliable setup? Thank you. Um, A7R5 for the main camera backup is an A7R4. Um, I got a 70 to 200 lens, a 24 to 70 and a 16 to 35. Um, yeah, that's my setup. Bunch of batteries, some filters. Um, yeah, that's about it. Not super complicated, but.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Sounds complicated to me.

• 1:03:06Speaker 05

  Well.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  You're a professional.

• 1:03:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, Spencer, not our Spencer in the chat, has an idea. He says we should do an outdoor obstacle course. Catch.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  Fish, catch a loose chicken in a fishing net, then pluck a duck. First, we gotta catch a fish. Like the other stuff be, it'd be great to do the other stuff. First we gotta catch fish.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  But we did, we never get there. Yeah.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  This was an idea last winter. Actually, we were gonna like include ice skating, drilling holes in the ice and then like first one to drop their line in the ice. But it would have been too much. We would have needed more than a couple of minutes.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  Question from Matt. Uh, he says, how do you like to answer non hunters who ask you, did you catch a big one? When you get home from hunting season? I, I don't, I, I just like, I just tell them like, I'm not gonna like try and make them feel stupid, you know?

• 1:03:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. I would just say we kill them, not catch them. Unless you're like lion hunting or something.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  Uh, Captain Texas says, Seth, what is the most challenging part about filming other people hunting?

• 1:04:06Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:04:09Speaker 05

  I would say just trying not to be the guy that ever spooks the animal, you know?

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:04:14Speaker 05

  Which you, over time you learn, you just, I typically, I don't move unless Steve's, Steve moves. So it's, there's never like a, you know, he can't turn around and be like, you spooked it. I'd be like, well, I was doing the same thing you were doing. So.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  Do you notice a difference between, cause like Steve's very aware, you know, I used to work on the camera crew.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Way back and like Steve's very aware of the camera guys and how the whole thing works. And like, there's gotta be like, you've got to have expectations for the hunters too, right? Do you notice like a way big difference between like filming Steve and filming a guest hunter who's never been filmed before like? As far as challenges they present to you?

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  I mean,

• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  yes and no. Uh, the filming someone that's never been filmed before, like.

• 1:05:06Speaker 05

  They, they just think, I, I feel like most people just think it's like impossible to kill something with that many people.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:05:14Speaker 05

  And you'll get guys that are like, you know, don't move, don't, and it's like,

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  and you already know that.

• 1:05:20Speaker 05

  It's like, we, yeah, we know what we're doing.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:05:22Speaker 05

  Um, so that's kind of like one thing with, with new people. Um, but, and Steve's like,

• 1:05:32Speaker 05

  it, it depends on the animal too, but he's just like, I think he, we always use guys that have been with us forever and, and know the game and know how to be quiet and, um, so he's, he typically doesn't like yell at us or anything.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Not anymore.

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  Sometimes he does, but,

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  yeah.

• 1:05:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. It all depends. Mark says, guys, I want to send a mule deer hide off to get processed hair on. It's currently wrapped and in the freezer. How long is that going to be good for, before I need to ship it off?

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  As long as it's frozen.

• 1:06:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, for a long time, forever. Cool. Uh, we'll do one more and then we'll see how the poll, uh, is going. Max, not our Max, says, how'd y'all get started with MeatEater? Was there an application, an interview process or were y'all picked because of your individual skills? I think we each have like a different path to how we got here.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:20Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  Um, I'll start since I'm the oldest. Uh, I used to guide with Yanis in Colorado. Yanis moved to Alaska through a mutual friend, got hooked up with Steve, uh, and, and became a production assistant. A few years later, they needed help on the Stars in the Sky shoot. Yanis approached me. That's how I got my start. And one thing led to another and I started writing with Steve. That was 10 years ago.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  Hmm. Yeah, mine was semi-similar. Uh, good friend of mine and also our, one of our colleagues presented the job offer to me. It was during COVID when I was guiding fishermen and hunters when I wasn't quite sure if that industry was going to last a whole lot longer. Just, we weren't letting out of staters into the state, so things were really weird. So I tried to get a, a different job, I guess, more steady job. And yeah, that was five years ago now.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  Nice. Yeah, mine was, uh, Meteor was just looking for a production assistant to help out on shoots and haul gear and make sandwiches.

• 1:07:32Speaker 03

  How'd you find out about it?

• 1:07:33Speaker 05

  A mutual friend.

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Speaker 05

  Um, recommended, a mutual friend that knew Yanis and Steve and whatnot, recommended, uh, me to them and.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, just kinda got on a phone call with Yanis and rest was history. That was 2018. Washington elk hunt was the, uh, my first shoot ever.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Phil? Oh, I got burnt out working in TV and, uh, applied via indeed.com. Oh, wow. Nice. Yeah. And I, um, yeah, had audio experience and I was worried they wouldn't want me because I didn't hunt and Yanis, my first interview was with Yanis, he said, that does not matter. I said, thank God. And that was six years ago now. So, yeah. There we go. All right. Let's see who had the best trail cam photo. In last place, with 6% of the vote, we have number three, Biker Kid.

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  Oh, well, yeah.

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Get rid of this.

• 1:08:35Speaker 04

  But how can you not chuckle with that?

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  Look at him. He probably needs slapped.

• 1:08:40Speaker 04

  Is that an e-bike?

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Oh, it might be. It turns out hard to tell.

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  It's like a little motorcycle.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, possibly.

• 1:08:46Speaker 05

  It's like a little e-bike.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  Cheater.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  All right. And then in, uh, third place with 12% of the vote, we have Deer Fart.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  See, I. You had high hopes for that one, Corey?

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  I love Deer Fart.

• 1:08:59Speaker 05

  I agree with that.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Hard to say what's going on in that photo, but.

• 1:09:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  Nobody else cared.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  Uh, and we only have two left now. It's between Ninja Squirrel and Bear Shitting. And I will announce the first place winner. The first place winner with 68% of the vote. It was a landslide. We've got Bear Shitting.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  Hey, there we go.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Congratulations.

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  Bear does shit in the woods.

• 1:09:23Speaker 04

  Great capture. Yeah.

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. All right. So, uh, who was that? That was number five. At a pain. A pain.

• 1:09:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, we'll reach out to you for this massive collection of gear.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. The winner at a pain, you're gonna receive.

• 1:09:39Speaker 03

  A uh, what's, is it T W O or two?

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  Two.

• 1:09:44Steven Rinella?

  Two.

• 1:09:44Speaker 03

  Two.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Two of these.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  It looks like it's part of the, okay. It's like written weird. Two of the Moultrie Edge two cameras. So two of those suckers. Um, two 10 watt solar pack or is that 10 watt?

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  10 watt solar power pack.

• 1:10:01Speaker 03

  Power packs. Um, an MKC knife, the saw two slicer. Um, you want to show them what that one is?

• 1:10:09Speaker 04

  Well, it's pretty packaged up here.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Oh, then don't worry about it.

• 1:10:12Speaker 04

  It all.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  Jeez, man, this just, this list just gets, is a long one. Um, this list just keeps going. $250 Meat Eater Store gift card.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  And a $250 First Light gift card.

• 1:10:25Speaker 04

  Holy cow.

• 1:10:26Steven Rinella?

  Whoa.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  That's $500.

• 1:10:28Steven Rinella?

  Big prize. I didn't know it was this big.

• 1:10:30Speaker 03

  I didn't either.

• 1:10:31Steven Rinella?

  I would have submitted a photo.

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  Does a bear shit in the woods for all that stuff?

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. Stay tuned again. We're going to try this again next month and maybe the month after. Sounds like.

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  I think we should.

• 1:10:42Speaker 04

  It's kind of fun.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Um, as long as Moultrie is going to kick down and we keep getting cool prizes. All right. Um, hope you enjoyed it. That's the end of today's show. Uh, join us next week, everyone, and have a great weekend. Take it easy.

• 1:10:57Steven Rinella?

  Later.

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